| 00:00.18 | mattavich | If a player wins od loses on my map they are instantly booted back to the scoreboard/main menu. How can i allow them to browse or watch the remaining of the game? |
| 00:00.32 | Vailreth | there you go if you need to see what ive done just change from all data to the map file and look at the mineral behavior and the mineral field actor |
| 00:04.28 | Vailreth | if you want you can even use the depleted unit setting and change it to a dead tree unit ... |
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| 00:05.31 | Nash | Heroes done, Hero selection done, content ~40% done |
| 00:05.48 | mattavich | If a player wins od loses on my map they are instantly booted back to the scoreboard/main menu. How can i allow them to browse or watch the remaining of the game? |
| 00:05.58 | Corbo | Hi guys |
| 00:06.04 | Unrea1 | Sup Corbo |
| 00:06.12 | Nash | remove the win/loss actions? |
| 00:06.15 | Vailreth | hey Corbo |
| 00:06.16 | casperb | Yo Corbo |
| 00:06.18 | casperb | and mapsters |
| 00:06.32 | mattavich | where are they? |
| 00:06.38 | Corbo | oh wow |
| 00:06.45 | Corbo | lot's of corbos there |
| 00:06.47 | Corbo | :P |
| 00:06.48 | Nash | where you put them, unless you're using the melee ones |
| 00:07.01 | Tofu | can anyone think of a unit that is forced to morph by behaviour that isnt a changling? |
| 00:07.02 | Nash | in which case... melee initialization |
| 00:07.19 | casperb | Don't think you can change the role of a player at runtime |
| 00:07.22 | mattavich | Like is aid i need them to be able to stay in-game once they are defeated and not forced bac to score screen |
| 00:07.29 | mattavich | is what you're saying going to do that? |
| 00:07.34 | mattavich | i dont remember putting any on |
| 00:07.42 | casperb | Which is annoying, should be able to become an observer/spectator when you are defeated in say 4v4 |
| 00:07.42 | Nash | if they don't lose they stay in the game |
| 00:08.07 | Nash | just handle win/loss for all players when game is concluded |
| 00:08.12 | Vailreth | be back in a few its dinner time |
| 00:08.17 | Tinman | Sigh, I am getting sidetracked all the time... |
| 00:08.17 | Tinman | /me slaps himself across the face. |
| 00:08.17 | Tinman | Focus, Focus! |
| 00:08.24 | Tinman | wow |
| 00:08.33 | mattavich | that's gonna take some rethinking. I use a boolean variable to control conditions of spawns once they dead |
| 00:08.33 | Nash | and do a "Player has been defeated" mid-game with a text message |
| 00:10.10 | Nash | for example player X has 0 units - display text message "Player X has been defeated!" and then add Player X to DefeatedPlayers player group |
| 00:10.34 | Nash | Once the game is over, use DefeatedPlayers player group |
| 00:10.48 | Nash | all players in that group, end game in defeat for them |
| 00:11.02 | casperb | ~seen OneTwo |
| 00:11.05 | purl | onetwo <ae070b69@gateway/web/freenode/ip.174.7.11.105> was last seen on IRC in channel #sc2mapster, 16h 54m 23s ago, saying: 'its been so long'. |
| 00:11.15 | casperb | irony o.o |
| 00:11.41 | casperb | ~seen Alpha_vst |
| 00:11.42 | purl | alpha_vst <~Alpha_vst@c-24-5-9-172.hsd1.ca.comcast.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #sc2mapster, 37d 22h 34m 5s ago, saying: 'im going to not release my map on bnet 0.o\'. |
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| 00:11.52 | casperb | o.o alpha died |
| 00:12.16 | Nash | Dedicate your next map to his memory. |
| 00:13.12 | Xtek | in case no one has seen it yet... http://www.sc2replayed.com/replays/58985-1v1-protoss-zerg-kulas-ravine#c3 |
| 00:14.28 | Nash | is that the boring game where they spend half the game running around? |
| 00:15.33 | deathnight114 | damn... |
| 00:15.45 | deathnight114 | How many "Diary of a....." Threads will there be |
| 00:16.01 | deathnight114 | The best one was diary of a zergling, but it lost the funny-ness after diary of an overlord -_- |
| 00:18.38 | raydenuni | what is weapon options - linked cooldown? |
| 00:19.12 | deathnight114 | hm |
| 00:19.14 | deathnight114 | All the maps |
| 00:19.17 | tordecybombo | what's the largest strings the game can read? |
| 00:19.19 | lobsta | i think it means that all the weapons with the link have their cooldowns reset when one of thwem is used |
| 00:19.20 | deathnight114 | Just dissappeared off of the map list |
| 00:19.22 | deathnight114 | -_- |
| 00:19.25 | tordecybombo | # of chars? |
| 00:19.35 | tordecybombo | by read i mean when reading from a bank |
| 00:20.04 | Broshir | why is this editor so much harder than wc3 editor? :( |
| 00:20.16 | lobsta | cause its more advanced |
| 00:20.39 | Broshir | :( |
| 00:20.45 | Broshir | poor us newbiecakes |
| 00:21.01 | lobsta | lol? |
| 00:21.08 | lobsta | im getting used to it |
| 00:21.17 | Broshir | i aint |
| 00:21.29 | Broshir | its harder every time i use it lol |
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| 00:21.36 | Broshir | it comes new things all the time |
| 00:22.25 | Broshir | ohwell, good night fellas |
| 00:22.30 | Broshir | gl |
| 00:23.32 | raydenuni | interesting |
| 00:23.41 | raydenuni | i made a weapon that only does 10 dmg, but it 1 shots everything |
| 00:23.58 | Tofu | I hate the fact that in this editor I dont seem to be able to make anything that works unless I duplicate something that already does what I want to do :( |
| 00:24.16 | raydenuni | wait |
| 00:24.20 | raydenuni | what does the Effect flag Kill do? |
| 00:24.21 | raydenuni | :D |
| 00:24.35 | rrowland | Anyone know how to make it so a certain unit can't be flown over? |
| 00:24.52 | raydenuni | make it collide with air |
| 00:24.58 | rrowland | didnt work |
| 00:25.00 | raydenuni | or put an air collision doodad on it |
| 00:25.00 | Helral|asleep | night all |
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| 00:25.21 | rrowland | It's spawned so I can't mess with pathin in the editor |
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| 00:25.45 | rrowland | I added "flying" to movement-collide and "air" to plane array |
| 00:25.49 | rrowland | Neither made a difference |
| 00:26.01 | Tofu | You 100% made it and the other unit both collide with air? |
| 00:26.34 | rrowland | Yep this unit is collide:flying, plane array:air |
| 00:26.40 | rrowland | And the one I don't want it to fly over has the same |
| 00:30.15 | raydenuni | how do i make a unit never flee? |
| 00:30.51 | casperb | cut it's legs off |
| 00:30.58 | casperb | kinda mean tho :/ |
| 00:31.03 | raydenuni | do i just have to make all the weapons not cause flee? |
| 00:31.04 | raydenuni | that's lame |
| 00:31.43 | Tinman | raydenuni you set it on the unit you dont want to flee |
| 00:31.48 | casperb | rrowland: plane array is just the attack array |
| 00:31.50 | __Esh | god, i think messing with my dependencies just reset everything i did... |
| 00:31.57 | raydenuni | what's the field Tinman ? |
| 00:32.03 | Technomancer | Does anyone have Vexal |
| 00:32.08 | Tinman | ill look |
| 00:32.09 | Technomancer | ugh why do I keep hittin enter |
| 00:32.17 | Technomancer | Does anyone have Vexal's map? |
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| 00:32.26 | rrowland | got it, made it collide with structures since the unit was a structure |
| 00:32.31 | rrowland | not sure why it wouldnt work with air though |
| 00:32.31 | SycoPrime | How do I get my AIs to start behaving like regular Melee AIs? (AI - Start Melee AI for all computer players isn't doing it :( ) |
| 00:32.32 | raydenuni | rofl |
| 00:33.31 | Corbo | bleh |
| 00:33.46 | Corbo | trying to figure out this isn't fun |
| 00:34.10 | Corbo | brb dinner time for me |
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| 00:35.00 | Unrea1 | Vailreth |
| 00:35.04 | Unrea1 | I just tested ur map |
| 00:35.06 | Tinman | raydenuni Cant remember what its called :( But you can set the unit to "Do Nothing" that way he wont run |
| 00:35.07 | Unrea1 | Not working |
| 00:35.20 | raydenuni | set that where? |
| 00:35.23 | raydenuni | this is for player controlled units |
| 00:35.26 | Unrea1 | Never mind you just have an incredibly long buff |
| 00:35.30 | raydenuni | i know you can make weapons not trigger flee |
| 00:35.49 | vxcriss | does anyone know how to use this Set Sound Reverb action? |
| 00:35.55 | Tinman | You do it in the data editor, find the unit, and set it there |
| 00:36.05 | vxcriss | I want to add some effects to the "first blood" sound |
| 00:36.07 | raydenuni | again, waht's the field? |
| 00:36.13 | raydenuni | i looked over Unit and didn't see anything useful |
| 00:36.41 | Tinman | Behavior - Response |
| 00:36.44 | Tinman | Thats the one |
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| 00:37.07 | Tinman | You can set that to No Response instead of Flee |
| 00:38.40 | Pinzu | hmm |
| 00:38.48 | Pinzu | I accidently closed my helpers messages |
| 00:38.56 | Pinzu | I need some help with 2d arrys |
| 00:39.27 | Pinzu | anyone up for it? |
| 00:39.29 | Tinman | Did you find it raydenuni? |
| 00:39.32 | raydenuni | yeah |
| 00:39.42 | raydenuni | that's what i was looking for i think |
| 00:39.49 | Tinman | Cool |
| 00:40.00 | raydenuni | ok |
| 00:40.10 | raydenuni | what building looks like it sells spaceship weapons? |
| 00:40.35 | Pinzu | is there anyone around that can help me with 2D arrys? |
| 00:40.40 | raydenuni | what about them? |
| 00:40.58 | Pinzu | need to figure out how to implement them in what I have |
| 00:41.10 | Pinzu | give me a sec |
| 00:41.25 | vxcriss | ray personally I have a fetish for the engineering bay :P |
| 00:42.08 | raydenuni | that's what i'm tinking |
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| 00:42.15 | Tinman | You can just place a random building and add some doodads around it |
| 00:42.18 | raydenuni | i may want a building for lasers, one for missiles, and one for armor/utility |
| 00:42.25 | raydenuni | i can't find the merc compound |
| 00:42.44 | Tinman | Have you loaded the campaign dependencies? |
| 00:42.44 | raydenuni | how is campaign not on my list yet? |
| 00:42.48 | raydenuni | oh wait |
| 00:42.51 | raydenuni | it's my map |
| 00:42.52 | raydenuni | not my mod |
| 00:44.26 | vxcriss | so nobody knows how to use the reverb action? |
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| 00:44.37 | vxcriss | nothing seams to happen when I use it |
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| 00:50.10 | Unrea1 | http://us.blizzard.com/en-us/company/press/presskits.html |
| 00:50.12 | Unrea1 | Diablo news |
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| 00:50.43 | tordecybombo | anyone experienced with starcode and banks? |
| 00:50.55 | tordecybombo | test |
| 00:51.46 | vxcriss | wth is a press kit |
| 00:54.13 | tordecybombo | guess not :/ |
| 00:58.01 | tordecybombo | anyone EU? |
| 00:58.14 | raydenuni | when making an item shop, does the item shop need to be owned by the player shopping for them to use it? |
| 00:58.59 | lobsta | im nor sure, try testing it |
| 00:59.04 | tordecybombo | the best system wuld prob be shared control with the item shop owner and open if unit is close |
| 00:59.06 | lobsta | give the shop to another playeer |
| 00:59.20 | vxcriss | is there any built-in action for executing a trigger after a certain number of seconds? |
| 00:59.26 | tordecybombo | because giving to players is rather annoying if multiple players want to access it |
| 00:59.27 | lobsta | time elapsed? |
| 00:59.45 | vxcriss | no I mean something like "do action X after 4 seconds since this moment" |
| 00:59.47 | lobsta | vxcriss time elapsed event |
| 00:59.52 | lobsta | waits |
| 00:59.57 | lobsta | the wait action |
| 01:00.01 | vxcriss | hmm I'll check it out thanks |
| 01:00.13 | lobsta | wait |
| 01:00.16 | lobsta | before you use it |
| 01:00.20 | lobsta | just remember |
| 01:00.28 | lobsta | if the trigger fires mulrtible times |
| 01:00.38 | lobsta | it can cause problems with global vfariables |
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| 01:02.10 | vxcriss | here's a question, each trigger has its own processing thread right? meaning that if I do a wait inside a trigger it won't affect the other threads |
| 01:02.17 | vxcriss | actually nvm that's a stupid question |
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| 01:04.34 | vxcriss | is there any way to get the name of the player slot not the name of the player |
| 01:04.46 | vxcriss | for example I set names for my player 1 slot, how do I get that name |
| 01:04.53 | tordecybombo | is it technically a salt |
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| 01:05.25 | Vailreth | i am returend |
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| 01:06.15 | tordecybombo | oh god i finally thought of a way to ecrypt player names within the other stored integers |
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| 01:06.21 | tordecybombo | just use the player name as the salt! |
| 01:07.17 | Vailreth | so Unrea1 did my map help you at all? |
| 01:07.18 | vxcriss | blizzard announced that they will be allowing players to change their char name |
| 01:07.28 | Unrea1 | In a way |
| 01:07.44 | Vailreth | any thing you need to know? |
| 01:07.45 | Unrea1 | I just need to figure out a way |
| 01:08.02 | Jum-Jum | for a price |
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| 01:08.03 | Vailreth | figuer out away to do what? |
| 01:08.10 | Unrea1 | To change the radius of a unit through a trigger or event |
| 01:08.26 | Unrea1 | So the units can just walk through the dead trees |
| 01:08.35 | Unrea1 | Instead of dancing around them |
| 01:08.37 | Vailreth | OH i know you you can do that |
| 01:08.45 | Unrea1 | Do you :O |
| 01:09.23 | Vailreth | the tree uses a footprint ? |
| 01:09.39 | Unrea1 | Lemme check |
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| 01:10.06 | Unrea1 | I dont think it does |
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| 01:10.11 | Blobfish | anybody want to play my 12-player map? we have 7 people so far. |
| 01:10.13 | Unrea1 | GE is still opening |
| 01:10.28 | Blobfish | haven't had a chance to test it with real people yet |
| 01:10.38 | Blobfish | I'll reward you with pleasure |
| 01:10.41 | tordecybombo | the max username size is 12 chars right? |
| 01:10.44 | tordecybombo | just making sure |
| 01:10.45 | Vailreth | if it does use a footprint then you can make or use one that has pathing |
| 01:11.17 | Unrea1 | The Dead Tree has a footprint |
| 01:11.22 | Unrea1 | But not the Tree it self |
| 01:12.20 | Vailreth | you can change the dead tree footprint to one that is pathable and units will walk right through it |
| 01:12.28 | Vailreth | or should |
| 01:13.36 | Vailreth | let me check on the map you uploaded to mapster |
| 01:13.43 | Unrea1 | k |
| 01:14.05 | Unrea1 | Btw which footprint allows you to walk through it |
| 01:14.23 | Unrea1 | Nvm |
| 01:14.28 | Unrea1 | I just removed it and it works |
| 01:14.38 | Vailreth | well thats a fix. |
| 01:14.53 | Unrea1 | xD |
| 01:14.57 | Vailreth | but that way you can likely build over them too |
| 01:15.06 | Unrea1 | True |
| 01:15.21 | Unrea1 | Well |
| 01:15.22 | Unrea1 | no |
| 01:15.39 | Unrea1 | Because the way I have it set up, remember the trees are hidden |
| 01:15.45 | Unrea1 | Still blocking |
| 01:16.11 | Vailreth | so you are still using the triggers to hid the trees? |
| 01:16.17 | Xackery | food is yummy. |
| 01:16.18 | Unrea1 | Currently |
| 01:16.31 | Unrea1 | I probably will make the switch |
| 01:16.37 | Xackery | make the sandwhich |
| 01:16.46 | Unrea1 | ^ |
| 01:17.03 | Vailreth | ok. |
| 01:18.01 | Xackery | So is your gold/mineral mine all working as intended, Unrea1? |
| 01:18.14 | Unrea1 | Currently :D |
| 01:18.26 | Xackery | Always a bonus. :3 |
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| 01:21.38 | Sixen | http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/218522336 -- Someone bump this please? :) |
| 01:24.09 | Mindful | bumped |
| 01:24.49 | Unrea1 | Mindful you never bump threads with a lie |
| 01:26.44 | Tofu | anyone know why a morph wouldnt apply the new model but apply everything else? |
| 01:26.44 | Mindful | psh |
| 01:26.44 | Technomancer | question: How do I change the dimensions of a map after i've started on it? |
| 01:26.44 | Mindful | how would i have found all those people to carry through learning galaxy if sixen hadn't set up sc2mapster? |
| 01:27.13 | Unrea1 | Shits Unreal |
| 01:27.27 | Mindful | man |
| 01:27.32 | Mindful | sixen could create a thread called "derp" |
| 01:27.38 | Mindful | and probably keep it on the front page forever |
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| 01:27.46 | Unrea1 | Lol.. |
| 01:27.53 | Mindful | that'd be pretty funny |
| 01:28.00 | Mindful | just keep getting the mapster community to bump it |
| 01:28.18 | Unrea1 | [Sticky] Derp |
| 01:28.22 | Mindful | hahaha |
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| 01:31.20 | Mindful | anyone know if it's possible to to detect who can see a chat message? |
| 01:31.31 | AsaPhelps | yes |
| 01:31.32 | Unrea1 | Something related to allies |
| 01:31.36 | AsaPhelps | but how I don't know |
| 01:31.50 | Mindful | why must you mock me asa |
| 01:32.05 | Mindful | unreal, i'm trying to see if a given chat message is visible to all players or just a player's allies |
| 01:32.28 | AsaPhelps | is there a way to make it so if a player with a certain name says a message |
| 01:32.33 | AsaPhelps | stuff happens |
| 01:32.38 | AsaPhelps | like I want to cheat in my map |
| 01:32.42 | AsaPhelps | but I don't want other people to cheat |
| 01:32.48 | Mindful | rofl |
| 01:32.56 | Tofu | theres an event for chat message |
| 01:33.01 | Tofu | you could take the triggering player |
| 01:33.06 | Tofu | and check allies etc |
| 01:33.14 | Mindful | tofu, that wouldn't do it |
| 01:33.18 | Mindful | players can talk in All or in Allied |
| 01:33.25 | Mindful | i need to check who can see the specific message |
| 01:33.39 | devilesk | mindful you euro? |
| 01:33.47 | raydenuni | weee |
| 01:33.51 | devilesk | tofu you euro? |
| 01:33.52 | raydenuni | explaining 2d arrays to non programmers |
| 01:33.56 | Mindful | uh, no devil |
| 01:33.59 | devilesk | US? |
| 01:34.02 | Mindful | yes |
| 01:34.04 | devilesk | whats your character code and name |
| 01:34.05 | Xackery | multidimensional arrays ftw |
| 01:34.11 | Mindful | um |
| 01:34.13 | Mindful | why? |
| 01:34.18 | devilesk | so you can test |
| 01:34.20 | devilesk | my maps |
| 01:34.26 | Mindful | i'm in the middle of something man :P |
| 01:34.29 | devilesk | not now |
| 01:34.31 | devilesk | just whenever |
| 01:34.34 | devilesk | for the future |
| 01:34.39 | devilesk | we can be friends |
| 01:34.45 | Xackery | can we really? |
| 01:34.46 | raydenuni | if i have an item shop, does it need to belong to a player for that player to use it? |
| 01:34.47 | Xackery | CAN WE?! |
| 01:34.53 | devilesk-571 | xackery you US? |
| 01:34.59 | Xackery | No. |
| 01:35.02 | devilesk-571 | then no |
| 01:35.03 | devilesk-571 | we can't |
| 01:35.05 | Xackery | I'm we. |
| 01:35.46 | Mindful | sigh |
| 01:35.53 | Mindful | all of these are just workarounds |
| 01:35.58 | Mindful | becuase blizzard makes me sad |
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| 01:36.12 | Mindful | as long as a lobby has teams that are more than one player in it |
| 01:36.15 | devilesk-571 | whats your character code and name |
| 01:36.19 | Mindful | chat will default to Allied, even if you have no allies in-game |
| 01:36.29 | Mindful | you can probably guess my characer name, code is 361 if i remember it right |
| 01:36.32 | devilesk-571 | k |
| 01:36.59 | devilesk-571 | wait so |
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| 01:37.01 | devilesk-571 | how does ally chat work |
| 01:37.03 | devilesk-571 | what if i change alliances |
| 01:37.05 | devilesk-571 | with triggers |
| 01:37.08 | devilesk-571 | does that affect ally chat? |
| 01:37.16 | Mindful | it affects who can see it, sure |
| 01:37.25 | Mindful | but a player's default chat |
| 01:37.30 | Mindful | is determined by whether or not he had allies in the lobby |
| 01:37.38 | devilesk-571 | i wish there was just a menu |
| 01:37.40 | devilesk-571 | like in sc1 |
| 01:37.42 | devilesk-571 | where you can set it to all chat |
| 01:37.47 | devilesk-571 | or set to ally chat |
| 01:37.50 | devilesk-571 | or set to one player |
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| 01:40.49 | AsaPhelps | how would one change the max life of a unit in triggers, or if possible, data editor |
| 01:41.51 | PapaRoach | whats the difference between doing an if then else-if and just nesting if statements |
| 01:41.53 | raydenuni | in the data editor? |
| 01:41.55 | raydenuni | just change it |
| 01:41.57 | raydenuni | it's a field |
| 01:42.13 | devilesk-571 | ray |
| 01:42.15 | devilesk-571 | you euro? |
| 01:42.23 | raydenuni | no |
| 01:42.25 | devilesk-571 | US? |
| 01:42.28 | raydenuni | yes |
| 01:42.30 | devilesk-571 | whats your character name and code |
| 01:42.34 | raydenuni | why? |
| 01:42.38 | devilesk-571 | so we can be friends |
| 01:42.43 | raydenuni | do i know you? |
| 01:42.46 | devilesk-571 | now you do |
| 01:42.54 | raydenuni | why do you want to be friends? |
| 01:42.57 | Tofu | @paparoach it changes how its evaluated |
| 01:43.01 | devilesk-571 | we can test each other's maps |
| 01:43.02 | raydenuni | :P |
| 01:43.13 | AsaPhelps | well I mean dynamically |
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| 01:43.21 | Tofu | nested if/else's dont all get tested |
| 01:43.28 | Mindful | asaphelps |
| 01:43.28 | AsaPhelps | well I want it so everytime a unit respawns, it loses 50% max health |
| 01:43.29 | Mindful | you want |
| 01:43.31 | raydenuni | i don't know my code off the top of my head |
| 01:43.32 | Mindful | catalog field value set |
| 01:43.35 | Tofu | the else-if test them all at the same time |
| 01:43.40 | raydenuni | also it's probably easier to find me in here to test stuff than in game |
| 01:43.42 | AsaPhelps | well i'm trying a trigger but |
| 01:43.46 | AsaPhelps | how do I make it a %? |
| 01:43.52 | devilesk-571 | still |
| 01:43.54 | PapaRoach | well, i created a perfectly fine nested if statement and it didnt work so i was contemplating weather to redo it in the if then else-if format |
| 01:43.54 | raydenuni | AsaPhelps, |
| 01:43.55 | devilesk-571 | what's your info |
| 01:43.55 | Mindful | you want to increase its life by a %? |
| 01:44.02 | raydenuni | i did this the other day |
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| 01:44.10 | raydenuni | it's like the base event |
| 01:44.13 | raydenuni | you change it to % |
| 01:44.13 | AsaPhelps | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:44.21 | Tofu | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:44.22 | raydenuni | change Life to Life % |
| 01:44.23 | AsaPhelps | I don't see a percent :/ |
| 01:44.29 | raydenuni | it's funky |
| 01:44.30 | AsaPhelps | oh brilliant |
| 01:44.31 | Mindful | orite |
| 01:44.33 | Mindful | you can change max life |
| 01:44.33 | raydenuni | it's 1 "bove" what iwould expect |
| 01:44.37 | raydenuni | see? :P |
| 01:44.39 | AsaPhelps | so would I do -50? |
| 01:44.40 | Mindful | withou catalog field value set |
| 01:44.48 | Mindful | need more sleep |
| 01:44.49 | raydenuni | you are setting |
| 01:44.51 | raydenuni | so just 50% |
| 01:45.02 | raydenuni | that will make it 50% of max no matter what it is currently |
| 01:45.05 | tordecybombo | no more! you're frightening me! |
| 01:45.05 | AsaPhelps | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:45.13 | AsaPhelps | because I forgot how to undo the math |
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| 01:45.26 | raydenuni | <AsaPhelps> Unit - Set (Last created unit) Life (Percent) to (50.0 - 0.0) |
| 01:45.28 | raydenuni | click there |
| 01:45.29 | AsaPhelps | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:45.32 | raydenuni | replace math with 50 |
| 01:45.33 | AsaPhelps | oops |
| 01:45.35 | AsaPhelps | yeah |
| 01:45.48 | Trager | hey Saeris, you here? |
| 01:45.56 | AsaPhelps | like I have a unit that respawns, so he has 100 health, then I want him to respawn with 50, 25 etc |
| 01:46.01 | AsaPhelps | will that work with that method? |
| 01:46.06 | raydenuni | devilesk-571, i don't mean to be unfriendly, i just don't feel like adding every person in here |
| 01:46.13 | raydenuni | hmm? |
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| 01:46.24 | raydenuni | your unit will respawn with 50% of his total health |
| 01:46.37 | AsaPhelps | yes but what if he dies again |
| 01:46.43 | raydenuni | 50% of his total h ealth |
| 01:46.52 | AsaPhelps | so it'd go, 100, 50 50 50 50? |
| 01:46.56 | raydenuni | yes |
| 01:47.00 | raydenuni | you want it to halve each time? |
| 01:47.22 | raydenuni | 100, 50, 25, 12, 6, 3 etc? |
| 01:47.34 | AsaPhelps | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:47.48 | raydenuni | current might be something stupid like 0 |
| 01:47.49 | AsaPhelps | trigger = last created |
| 01:47.51 | raydenuni | since he's dead |
| 01:47.55 | raydenuni | i wouldn't use that |
| 01:48.06 | AsaPhelps | well its at the end after it respawns |
| 01:48.12 | AsaPhelps | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:48.17 | raydenuni | yeah but what is it set to on respawn by default? |
| 01:48.25 | raydenuni | what do you want it to be? |
| 01:48.44 | AsaPhelps | default is 5000 |
| 01:48.48 | raydenuni | reduced by half each time? |
| 01:48.51 | AsaPhelps | yes |
| 01:48.57 | HaggisNZ | just change that to maximum life instead of life (percent) |
| 01:48.58 | raydenuni | store a variable for numberOfDeaths |
| 01:49.02 | AsaPhelps | but I might make things that increase health |
| 01:49.05 | AsaPhelps | yeah that might work too |
| 01:49.08 | raydenuni | set life to max health * 1/numberofDeaths |
| 01:50.12 | AsaPhelps | i'll try this way first |
| 01:50.24 | AsaPhelps | okay another question is there a behavior to increase a unit's supply |
| 01:50.32 | raydenuni | no idea |
| 01:50.49 | AsaPhelps | found it |
| 01:51.36 | raydenuni | oh hey look, an asaphelps monorail video |
| 01:51.45 | raydenuni | he's not exactly on the monoroal |
| 01:52.41 | AsaPhelps | that was from like 4 months ago |
| 01:53.04 | AsaPhelps | I like my chronosphere ripoff ability personally |
| 01:54.01 | AsaPhelps | if you have a missile with a timeout of 30s, and then change its time scale to .5, will it live for a minute? |
| 01:54.28 | raydenuni | for biffu's shop tutorial |
| 01:54.32 | raydenuni | shop buy and shop share go on the shop |
| 01:54.35 | raydenuni | pawn goes on the hero? |
| 01:55.04 | raydenuni | where do you set the timeout on a missile? |
| 01:56.01 | AsaPhelps | mover |
| 01:56.18 | AsaPhelps | i think thats what it does |
| 01:56.20 | PapaRoach | you set the missle to timeout in the corner |
| 01:56.22 | AsaPhelps | makes it go "poof" |
| 01:56.42 | AsaPhelps | i'm watching family guy while trying to make my map |
| 01:56.45 | AsaPhelps | making 0 progress |
| 01:56.45 | raydenuni | who owns the mover? |
| 01:56.59 | raydenuni | my missile doesn't have a mover... |
| 01:57.09 | AsaPhelps | which missile |
| 01:57.14 | PapaRoach | wow i have a 5 nested if statement, and it just decided it would do all 5 else's |
| 01:57.14 | AsaPhelps | marauder missile has a mover |
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| 01:57.17 | AsaPhelps | yamato has a mover |
| 01:57.21 | raydenuni | i did riley's tutorial |
| 01:57.29 | raydenuni | made my own |
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| 01:57.35 | AsaPhelps | so did I |
| 01:57.51 | Cornelius | hey anyone wonna help me out with importing models from the new WMV function? |
| 01:57.54 | raydenuni | is it the mover for the missile itself |
| 01:57.55 | raydenuni | hmm |
| 01:58.31 | raydenuni | Motion Phases? |
| 01:58.35 | Trager | My mass attack triggers seem to be working, but all the units issued move orders stop after a few seconds. Does anyone know why this is? |
| 01:58.36 | Cornelius | like, i get them in the import module, but for some reason it is not showing up on the Models list? and when it is it is just a dome for some reason |
| 01:58.42 | raydenuni | so this one has an acceleration phase and a non acceleration phase |
| 01:59.10 | raydenuni | bah |
| 01:59.13 | raydenuni | i'll mess with that later |
| 01:59.15 | raydenuni | doing others tuff now |
| 01:59.39 | raydenuni | Trager, screenshot of your trigger giving them commands? |
| 01:59.48 | Trager | 1 moment |
| 02:01.00 | Trager | http://paste.sc2mapster.com/2353/ |
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| 02:01.56 | Cryosis | Is there a specific tutorial on the trigger editor? |
| 02:02.02 | raydenuni | yes |
| 02:02.20 | raydenuni | what are they supposed to be doing after this trager? |
| 02:02.23 | raydenuni | what does scan do? |
| 02:02.28 | Cornelius | hey anyone wonna help me out with importing models from the new WMV function? |
| 02:02.33 | Trager | scan move == attack move |
| 02:02.44 | RodOfNOD | wmv function? |
| 02:02.44 | Trager | they don't do anything, that's the extent of it |
| 02:02.56 | raydenuni | why not use attack them? |
| 02:02.57 | raydenuni | then |
| 02:03.08 | Trager | because I didnt |
| 02:03.09 | RodOfNOD | scan move is for units without an attack if i recall |
| 02:03.16 | raydenuni | also you are setting player1 base on both |
| 02:03.36 | Fromethius | does anyone know why a validator of type Player Requirement is having trouble utilizing this requirement? http://imgur.com/k1t4u.png even when the ability is that level the validator is not returning true for some reason.. i know the requirement works because i use it for other things |
| 02:03.42 | Trager | yea, it's one trigger for two players |
| 02:04.05 | raydenuni | yes, but you are ordering both to the same place |
| 02:04.14 | Trager | I'm aware |
| 02:04.17 | raydenuni | ok |
| 02:04.26 | Trager | RodOfNOD scan move functions the same as attack move as far as I can tell |
| 02:04.39 | raydenuni | well i'm not familiar with scan move |
| 02:04.45 | raydenuni | are you sure you are getting in that trigger? |
| 02:04.53 | Trager | yup |
| 02:04.53 | raydenuni | use some printouts or something |
| 02:05.08 | RodOfNOD | Fromethius why do u need both show and use there? |
| 02:05.19 | Fromethius | i don't |
| 02:05.22 | Trager | raydenuni it's definitely firing |
| 02:05.27 | Fromethius | that part doesn't matter |
| 02:05.35 | Fromethius | it's just style conventions that sc2 devs use |
| 02:05.38 | Trager | but for some reason the move order isn't sticking |
| 02:05.51 | raydenuni | no idea |
| 02:05.54 | RodOfNOD | im not following what ur saying Fromethius |
| 02:05.57 | raydenuni | i used attack in mine and it works |
| 02:05.59 | raydenuni | :/ |
| 02:06.11 | Trager | how many units are you telling to move? |
| 02:06.17 | raydenuni | 4 |
| 02:06.23 | Trager | hmm |
| 02:06.32 | raydenuni | i'm using attack targeting point |
| 02:06.52 | Trager | and they'll attack move for all intensive purposes? |
| 02:07.02 | raydenuni | they move and attack anything they come across |
| 02:07.07 | raydenuni | i can paste my triggers for you |
| 02:07.32 | Trager | great, thats two things I have to go through 40 triggers and edit |
| 02:07.42 | raydenuni | it's possible your way works |
| 02:07.46 | Trager | some dumbass suggested I use relative point |
| 02:07.47 | raydenuni | but i do'nt know as i haven't used it |
| 02:08.04 | Trager | which does a horrible job if the units in question are constantly spawning |
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| 02:08.55 | Trager | so I'd really like to be sure that's the reason before I undertake editing every single one |
| 02:09.18 | raydenuni | change one and see |
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| 02:09.46 | Trager | about to |
| 02:09.48 | Trager | brb |
| 02:10.08 | Nash | dialog writing :G |
| 02:11.30 | raydenuni | stil pisses me off that i have to always modify my mod dependency to something else and then back |
| 02:11.34 | raydenuni | because the map forgets about the mod |
| 02:13.26 | raydenuni | so how do i get around not being able to use an allied building to shop? |
| 02:13.31 | Fromethius | anyone know of any validators that can check an ability's level? |
| 02:13.33 | raydenuni | says i can't spend his resources when i try to buy |
| 02:13.42 | raydenuni | Fromethius, i'm going to guess yes |
| 02:13.51 | Nash | different heroes with different dialog = mucho work |
| 02:13.52 | Fromethius | i would guess yes as well |
| 02:13.54 | Fromethius | but i cannot seem to find it |
| 02:16.13 | raydenuni | yeah, i'm glad i don't have to do dialog in my stuff nash |
| 02:17.23 | Trager | yea it was definitely scan move, thanks |
| 02:17.25 | Xaax | Anyone know how to use a single texture from a model that has multiple variations? |
| 02:17.49 | Nash | I'm making an RPG with characters with different personalities |
| 02:17.49 | Trager | still need to check if it was also relative points, cus I'm not gonna change that if I don't have to |
| 02:17.52 | Trager | brb again |
| 02:18.17 | Nash | have to check which heroes are in the game, write different dialog for different cases |
| 02:18.30 | Xaax | For example, I am trying to create a unit based off of a Civilian which has tons of texture variations, but I want this unit to have only 1 of those textures. |
| 02:19.22 | RodOfNOD | raydenuni do u have ur dependency at the top? |
| 02:19.25 | raydenuni | no |
| 02:19.27 | raydenuni | at the bottom |
| 02:19.32 | RodOfNOD | put it at the top |
| 02:19.33 | raydenuni | does it matter? |
| 02:19.34 | raydenuni | mm |
| 02:19.35 | RodOfNOD | should solve ur problem |
| 02:19.37 | raydenuni | let's hope |
| 02:20.21 | Xaax | Anyone? |
| 02:20.40 | RodOfNOD | idk never played with that shit let me peek |
| 02:21.40 | raydenuni | what is the item Container field for? |
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| 02:22.40 | Trager | god damn it, it was relative points as wel |
| 02:22.48 | Trager | this is going to take me all night to fix |
| 02:23.02 | raydenuni | Trager, that sucks |
| 02:23.12 | raydenuni | maybe it will convince you to redesign how you manage your points? |
| 02:23.15 | Trager | Nash |
| 02:23.17 | raydenuni | into an array or something? :D |
| 02:23.18 | Trager | you did this to me |
| 02:23.20 | Trager | fix it |
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| 02:23.30 | Trager | ray that's not even why |
| 02:23.31 | raydenuni | why did you make all of them before testing? |
| 02:23.33 | raydenuni | make one |
| 02:23.33 | raydenuni | test |
| 02:23.35 | raydenuni | copy paste |
| 02:23.36 | Trager | I made one |
| 02:23.39 | Trager | it seemed to be working |
| 02:23.42 | Trager | made the others |
| 02:23.45 | RodOfNOD | Xaax so the textures are just color changes that are not based on player color? |
| 02:23.45 | Trager | FFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUU |
| 02:23.59 | raydenuni | sux |
| 02:24.06 | AsaPhelps | if you have a public map published, then publish the same map as private, can people still play the public? |
| 02:24.19 | Xaax | Nah, it isn't just the colors, it actually changes the entire model. |
| 02:24.26 | Trager | there's only 40 of them... |
| 02:24.28 | RodOfNOD | i doubt it asa but idk |
| 02:24.30 | Trager | 15 clicks each |
| 02:24.44 | Trager | 600 clicks |
| 02:24.57 | Trager | 5 seconds inbetween clicks |
| 02:25.17 | Trager | gonna take me at least an hour |
| 02:25.19 | RodOfNOD | ah yes so it is Xaax |
| 02:25.23 | Trager | add distractions and you get the whole night |
| 02:25.33 | Cryosis | When trying to make a comparison for a specific unit, how do you pick a unit type from the list? |
| 02:25.43 | Nash | D: |
| 02:25.48 | Nash | BLAME ME |
| 02:25.48 | Cryosis | Wow, that was really poorly worded question |
| 02:25.52 | Cryosis | let me try again |
| 02:26.09 | Trager | Use scan move, it's awesome! desudesudesu |
| 02:26.17 | Xaax | Needs more desu. |
| 02:26.22 | Cryosis | I'm trying to make a trigger that compares a unit death to a specific type of unit, I do not see an option that allows me to select a specific unit to compare against (zergling, marine, ect) |
| 02:26.36 | raydenuni | compare to UnitType? |
| 02:26.55 | Tofu | the unit type will accept presets so you can compare |
| 02:27.06 | Nash | Unit Type of Unit |
| 02:27.19 | Cryosis | is that a function? |
| 02:27.26 | Nash | yes |
| 02:27.30 | raydenuni | yeah, use Value |
| 02:27.35 | Xaax | Neways, if you look at the Civilian model variations you can see that there are variations for with a helmet, with a backpack, and without both, but you don't see everything. Those are just like 3 presets which have variations unto themselves. So, it doesn't show you everything. |
| 02:28.13 | Cryosis | oh snap |
| 02:28.13 | Nash | Condition: Unit Type of Unit(Triggering Unit) == Zergling |
| 02:28.14 | Cryosis | brilliant |
| 02:28.15 | Nash | or such |
| 02:28.18 | Cryosis | got it |
| 02:28.20 | Cryosis | Thank you |
| 02:28.23 | Nash | keke |
| 02:28.38 | RodOfNOD | Xaax yep looking |
| 02:29.00 | Nash | bit different from SC1 |
| 02:29.11 | Nash | where unit was unit type |
| 02:30.17 | Fromethius | anyone here experienced with validators that determine a level of a unit's ability? |
| 02:32.23 | vxcriss | is there any way to do the play sound action and have the sound loop for more times? |
| 02:33.06 | RodOfNOD | whats different nash? |
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| 02:33.14 | RodOfNOD | hi tocs |
| 02:33.35 | Nash | In SC1 you couldn't specify an exact unit |
| 02:33.39 | Nash | just a type of unit |
| 02:33.43 | xttocs | hey RodOfNOD |
| 02:33.53 | xttocs | I have a funny/cool map idea |
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| 02:34.24 | RodOfNOD | Fromethius - http://forums.sc2mapster.com/development/map-development/3228-multi-level-abilities/ |
| 02:34.27 | Nash | lots of other thigns different too, SC map editor wasn't even remotely as advanced |
| 02:34.27 | RodOfNOD | might help |
| 02:34.36 | raydenuni | how come my item container doesn't have hover over text? i set its empty face to one with text |
| 02:34.39 | RodOfNOD | and what is that xttocs? |
| 02:34.46 | xttocs | top secret |
| 02:34.50 | vjeux | Grum: here? |
| 02:34.56 | xttocs | Can you deform terrain in SC2? |
| 02:34.57 | RodOfNOD | so message me :> |
| 02:35.02 | xttocs | like terrain height |
| 02:35.04 | RodOfNOD | idk bout that |
| 02:35.11 | RodOfNOD | some spells might be able to |
| 02:35.22 | xttocs | aren't spells scripted? |
| 02:35.29 | JPG | Hello. Been reading quite a few tutorials on mapmaking, and what I want to do is rather simple (so it seems anyway). I need to give a unit custom abilities based on already existing unit abilities. |
| 02:35.45 | JPG | I know there's a few tutorials, but they don't seem to work (I might be missing something minor) |
| 02:35.51 | RodOfNOD | well in order for any ability to be cast it has to have a base spell to be based on |
| 02:36.10 | xttocs | I'd need to programatically deform tertain |
| 02:36.12 | xttocs | terrain* |
| 02:36.26 | xttocs | that's the best option for what I want to do |
| 02:36.34 | xttocs | I don't even know if I will do this |
| 02:36.43 | xttocs | because I have no fucking time anymore now that I started working |
| 02:36.47 | Tehwildcard | Haha made a summonable mount for my game |
| 02:36.51 | Tehwildcard | looks awesome |
| 02:37.09 | RodOfNOD | picture Tehwildcard? |
| 02:37.17 | Tehwildcard | yup one sec |
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| 02:37.53 | Tehwildcard | Ignorance |
| 02:38.07 | raydenuni | wtf |
| 02:38.11 | raydenuni | this spot in the command card is cursed |
| 02:38.16 | raydenuni | my items won't show up there |
| 02:38.43 | Cryosis | Creating critters for player 15 doesn't make them automatically hostile.. How does that work? |
| 02:38.58 | raydenuni | wtf wtf |
| 02:39.05 | raydenuni | when i move abilities around the command card they disappear! |
| 02:39.22 | Tehwildcard | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4155997/sc2/UltraliskMount.jpg |
| 02:39.37 | Cryosis | bad url |
| 02:39.38 | JPG | 404 |
| 02:39.55 | Tofu | can anyone explain how I can change the model of a morphed unit? |
| 02:39.55 | RodOfNOD | try again Tehwildcard :P and from ur name its already done :P |
| 02:40.09 | Tofu | apparently I need to: "You need to add the morph start and morph finish events to the first actor (tower 1) and the morph finish event to the second actor (tower 2) There is a guide on the forums here somewhere ;P" |
| 02:40.30 | Tofu | or just a link to the guide that I cant find :( |
| 02:40.49 | *** join/#sc2mapster popman (~popman@cpe-24-164-122-128.neo.res.rr.com) |
| 02:40.51 | Tehwildcard | Someone already made an ultralisk mount x.x? |
| 02:41.09 | RodOfNOD | ya me among other people |
| 02:41.11 | raydenuni | tech, you have to put the image in the /public directory |
| 02:41.17 | Tehwildcard | fail |
| 02:41.27 | raydenuni | yeah |
| 02:41.32 | jorgenpt | How does an ultralisk mount work? |
| 02:41.35 | raydenuni | i'm not sure why they don't make the photos folder public |
| 02:42.24 | jorgenpt | Tehwildcard: How does a unit "ride" it? |
| 02:42.54 | RodOfNOD | Tehwildcard: here is my infestor and other units: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJOY93jGicc |
| 02:43.05 | RodOfNOD | i dont have the ultralisk there but i made one :P |
| 02:43.23 | Atlos | holy shiz why are diagonal ramps so big in sc2 compared to sc1 lol |
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| 02:43.37 | RodOfNOD | because of perspective |
| 02:43.49 | JPG | pokes the ability that isn't showing up period. >.> |
| 02:44.06 | raydenuni | WTF |
| 02:44.20 | raydenuni | cards on this command card seem to appear and disappear depending on their position |
| 02:44.22 | vxcriss | anyone knows how to loop a sound?? |
| 02:44.35 | RodOfNOD | vxcriss put it on a record player? |
| 02:45.00 | Tofu | Anyone with any idea how to change the model for a morphed unit? |
| 02:46.44 | Xaax | @RodofNOD How did you do that? |
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| 02:47.18 | Redfox777 | evening everyone |
| 02:47.36 | RodOfNOD | magic Xaax :> |
| 02:47.44 | Xaax | Lawl. |
| 02:47.52 | RodOfNOD | u attach an actor to another actor unit |
| 02:48.01 | Unrea1 | ^ |
| 02:48.03 | RodOfNOD | do it right and in the right spot it looks like hes ridiing |
| 02:48.07 | xttocs | Sixen |
| 02:48.16 | xttocs | layout BUG on your website |
| 02:48.29 | RodOfNOD | Sixen doesnt make mistakes |
| 02:48.33 | RodOfNOD | he makes features |
| 02:48.59 | Sixen | pro |
| 02:49.12 | Xaax | Lol. |
| 02:49.12 | xttocs | Kevin 'bug maker' Sixen |
| 02:49.15 | Sixen | pro. |
| 02:49.18 | Sixen | :) |
| 02:49.19 | RodOfNOD | lol |
| 02:49.30 | LordAbyss | sixen you are not pro |
| 02:49.44 | Sixen | liar |
| 02:49.46 | *** join/#sc2mapster Darkarbiter__ (dcfdc639@gateway/web/freenode/ip.220.253.198.57) |
| 02:49.46 | Sixen | you go to U of A |
| 02:49.48 | Darkarbiter__ | Hey |
| 02:49.49 | Sixen | I don't want to hear your mouth |
| 02:49.51 | LordAbyss | i move in tomorrow |
| 02:49.53 | Sixen | Hai DarkArbiter |
| 02:49.54 | Sixen | lol lordy |
| 02:50.03 | LordAbyss | btw, I CHALLENGE YOU TO A 1v1 |
| 02:50.07 | Sixen | people from UA can't speak in this channel |
| 02:50.08 | Sixen | shh |
| 02:50.19 | Unrea1 | United America :O |
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| 02:50.32 | Sixen | Uni of Arizona |
| 02:50.33 | Sixen | :P |
| 02:50.38 | Unrea1 | :O |
| 02:50.39 | LordAbyss | ~8ball Will Sixen man up and 1v1 me? |
| 02:50.40 | purl | Negative. |
| 02:50.45 | Sixen | dodged. |
| 02:50.46 | Unrea1 | Lul |
| 02:50.48 | LordAbyss | lol |
| 02:50.51 | Cryosis | easiest way to make the entire map viewable for testing? |
| 02:50.54 | LordAbyss | you won't get away that easy |
| 02:50.57 | Cryosis | aka get rid of fog of war |
| 02:50.59 | xttocs | UA? |
| 02:51.00 | xttocs | oh |
| 02:51.01 | LordAbyss | some random number generator will not stop me |
| 02:51.08 | xttocs | Guess what Sixen |
| 02:51.11 | Sixen | sup? |
| 02:51.15 | xttocs | I graduated =P |
| 02:51.20 | Sixen | nice :P |
| 02:51.28 | raydenuni | wtb texture browser where i can restrict to button sized textures |
| 02:51.32 | LordAbyss | i beat sixen and his friend in a 1v2 |
| 02:51.43 | Sixen | bs |
| 02:51.45 | Redfox777 | How do yall usually handle who has a map when working in groups? |
| 02:51.54 | Sixen | Whatcha mean, Redfox? |
| 02:51.58 | Redfox777 | like |
| 02:52.04 | Redfox777 | does one person keep a master |
| 02:52.07 | Darkarbiter__ | how do you change name? |
| 02:52.09 | Tofu | for anyone that cares: http://forums.sc2mapster.com/development/map-development/698-teching-buildings/ |
| 02:52.12 | LordAbyss | o that reminds me, did they add a decent importer for the editor? |
| 02:52.25 | raydenuni | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:52.52 | Redfox777 | none of yall work on teams? |
| 02:53.01 | raydenuni | Redfox777, i just answered you |
| 02:53.16 | ProsaicMuse | Mmk |
| 02:53.16 | *** join/#sc2mapster rrowland (~Ryan@pool-71-103-164-22.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) |
| 02:53.17 | ProsaicMuse | so |
| 02:53.27 | Xackery | So! |
| 02:53.39 | ProsaicMuse | If I compress a video |
| 02:53.44 | LordAbyss | So sixen is a girl and won't 1v1 me |
| 02:53.46 | ProsaicMuse | Using WinRar |
| 02:53.46 | Xackery | Sew. |
| 02:53.50 | ProsaicMuse | Will |
| 02:53.53 | Darkarbiter__ | Winrar lol |
| 02:53.54 | ProsaicMuse | Youtube be able to |
| 02:53.57 | Darkarbiter__ | it's all about WinUha |
| 02:53.58 | raydenuni | sixen is a girl? is he hot? |
| 02:54.02 | ProsaicMuse | read it? |
| 02:54.04 | Sixen | the hottest. |
| 02:54.09 | LordAbyss | she weighs like 10000 pounds |
| 02:54.10 | Sixen | lmfao |
| 02:54.11 | Sixen | "is he hot" |
| 02:54.17 | Xackery | Not sure if Youtube supports WinRAR's compressions methods. |
| 02:54.21 | ProsaicMuse | AKA - I wanna upload my tutorial videos to youtube quickly rather than 1 per 1.5hrs |
| 02:54.24 | Unrea1 | <raydenuni> sixen is a girl? is she hot? Fixed |
| 02:54.29 | raydenuni | no |
| 02:54.32 | ProsaicMuse | And I dunno how to use Sony Vegas Pro yet |
| 02:54.34 | ProsaicMuse | Because I'm dumb |
| 02:54.39 | raydenuni | what i meant to say was "sixen is a girl? is he a hot girl?" |
| 02:54.39 | LordAbyss | WHOA proz is uploading videos |
| 02:54.41 | Xackery | Vegas is pretty easy. |
| 02:54.42 | Unrea1 | <raydenuni> Yes Fixed |
| 02:54.44 | Darkarbiter__ | Zipping video's is never very effecient anyway |
| 02:54.47 | Darkarbiter__ | unless it's RAW data |
| 02:54.50 | LordAbyss | i can teach you really fast proz |
| 02:55.04 | ProsaicMuse | I'm using Fraps to make the vids |
| 02:55.11 | ProsaicMuse | and want SVP to compress it |
| 02:55.13 | ProsaicMuse | so it's tiny |
| 02:55.16 | LordAbyss | ill query you and tell you how to do it |
| 02:55.16 | ProsaicMuse | rather than 2-3gb per |
| 02:55.18 | ProsaicMuse | mmk |
| 02:55.20 | LordAbyss | via vegas |
| 02:55.26 | LordAbyss | if you want to do that |
| 02:55.31 | ProsaicMuse | It's the last step before I spam you all with tutorials |
| 02:55.31 | Xackery | Oh Prosaic! |
| 02:55.47 | Xackery | I haz a question for you, though if you can't answer it off top of your head, don't worry. |
| 02:55.56 | PapaRoach | how would one go about making a dialog box in the top center |
| 02:56.15 | ProsaicMuse | Ask away |
| 02:56.21 | Xackery | I have the uh. |
| 02:56.34 | Xackery | Ability - Learn type |
| 02:56.49 | PapaRoach | nvm disregard my retardedness |
| 02:56.52 | Xackery | Where you know, inside a unit's command card, it calls a second menu. |
| 02:57.09 | AsaPhelps | oh oh I might know the answer to this since I literally did it 5 minutes ago |
| 02:57.11 | Xackery | Well, for all my heros, if another player owns a unit. |
| 02:57.18 | RodOfNOD | ProsaicMuse did u show the editor who is boss? |
| 02:57.20 | Xackery | I can see the + sign, and click it. |
| 02:57.22 | AsaPhelps | nm, PM, this one is all yours |
| 02:57.30 | Xackery | (the learn button) |
| 02:57.38 | AsaPhelps | I've seen that even on SotIS |
| 02:57.48 | AsaPhelps | I think its because they have a learn as well? but no idea |
| 02:58.09 | ProsaicMuse | As in you can see the ability on enemy units? |
| 02:58.11 | Xackery | I've split the Learn Abilities per unit, and each unit is unique with their skillsets. |
| 02:58.14 | AsaPhelps | PM knows the answer, we just need to await his reply |
| 02:58.17 | Xackery | Not enemy, but allied units. |
| 02:58.26 | Xackery | They have zero function |
| 02:58.40 | AsaPhelps | 5 players with 5 allies, each one has a learn button, you can click it from any of them |
| 02:58.41 | Xackery | I can make a quick vid to help show visualization if needed. |
| 02:58.44 | AsaPhelps | thats the tldr version |
| 02:58.55 | AsaPhelps | 5 players with 5 heroes* |
| 02:59.02 | ProsaicMuse | Yeah |
| 02:59.04 | ProsaicMuse | gimme a demo |
| 02:59.07 | Xackery | Sure thing. |
| 02:59.08 | ProsaicMuse | Since it sounds familiar |
| 02:59.17 | ProsaicMuse | I think From had a similar problem, but the enemy can see the buttons |
| 02:59.18 | Xackery | I would imagine it's some sort of scope issue inside the Learn ability |
| 02:59.30 | Xackery | or some flag I didn't set |
| 02:59.37 | Xackery | but.. for the life of me, I can't FIND this flag/scope issue. |
| 02:59.52 | AsaPhelps | anyone want to help me test my map? mostly involving alliances to see how badly I can mess them up this time |
| 03:00.18 | LordAbyss | sixen, I CHALLENGE YOU TO A 1v1 |
| 03:00.23 | LordAbyss | when i am done helping proz |
| 03:00.32 | Unrea1 | CHALLENGE ACCEPTED |
| 03:00.33 | Sixen | :P |
| 03:01.10 | RodOfNOD | the reason u can see the abilities if i recall is cuz they are passive |
| 03:01.14 | RodOfNOD | with a 2nd page |
| 03:01.27 | RodOfNOD | AsaPhelps |
| 03:01.32 | jorgenpt | vjeux: Hmm. You ate the link to the tutorials when you converted everything to Wiki :( |
| 03:01.36 | AsaPhelps | Yes my rod? |
| 03:01.43 | RedWraith | The greatest games feed upon the desires of their players. They exist only in the player's minds. The game world is their connection to eachother, a forum, rather than something in itself. In a single player context, it is the connection between the feelings of the author and the player. |
| 03:01.46 | vjeux | jorgenpt: what? |
| 03:01.52 | AsaPhelps | anyone have that link that ice made of all the fonts? |
| 03:01.59 | jorgenpt | vjeux: There used to be a list of tutorials somewhere on the api page, didn't there? |
| 03:02.19 | jorgenpt | Ah, yes. http://www.sc2mapster.com/api-docs/tutorials/ |
| 03:02.35 | vjeux | http://www.sc2mapster.com/api-docs/tutorials/ |
| 03:02.36 | vjeux | here? |
| 03:02.37 | jorgenpt | It's no longer accessible from http://www.sc2mapster.com/api-docs/ |
| 03:02.48 | vjeux | was it? |
| 03:02.55 | jorgenpt | I thought it was. Maybe I'm wrong. |
| 03:02.57 | jorgenpt | Oh well. |
| 03:03.01 | vjeux | good point i'll add it |
| 03:03.04 | Sixen | that'll be moving soon anyway |
| 03:03.08 | jorgenpt | Maybe the link on http://www.sc2mapster.com/api-docs/ should point to /tutorials/ |
| 03:03.12 | jorgenpt | Right. ) |
| 03:03.14 | Sixen | vjeux, we should just move that now |
| 03:03.16 | Sixen | and redirect the api-docs one |
| 03:03.56 | Xackery | OK ProsaicMuse, here's a video. http://www.xfire.com/video/33e19b/ |
| 03:04.04 | Xackery | Note Hero2 and Hero3 are AI (allies, not my units) |
| 03:04.19 | Darkarbiter__ | Who here is on SEA realm? |
| 03:04.21 | Xackery | Here's the abilities screenshotted and compared. http://a.imageshack.us/img199/9198/rawrji.png |
| 03:04.38 | jorgenpt | Maul: Hey, are you Maul2 on sc2mapsters? |
| 03:05.39 | Xackery | *peeks at units to compare* |
| 03:06.08 | ProsaicMuse | Can you give me a screen of yoru learn ability? |
| 03:06.17 | ProsaicMuse | Like the data fields |
| 03:06.23 | ProsaicMuse | I "think" I know what's up lol |
| 03:06.33 | Xackery | Second screenshot? |
| 03:06.40 | Xackery | http://a.imageshack.us/img199/9198/rawrji.png < |
| 03:06.54 | raydenuni | very strange bugs |
| 03:07.05 | Xackery | Odin isn't showing his Learn button. (Right on that SS) |
| 03:07.08 | *** join/#sc2mapster MindWorX` (~Nikolaj.M@93.166.203.126) |
| 03:07.08 | Xackery | Egon is. |
| 03:07.13 | Xackery | Nova is my unit |
| 03:07.18 | AsaPhelps | Can anyone help me test my map? I just need to try out alliance |
| 03:07.20 | AsaPhelps | s |
| 03:07.41 | MindWorX` | AsaPhelps, If you had horde |
| 03:07.42 | MindWorX` | s |
| 03:07.44 | MindWorX` | I'd try |
| 03:08.12 | RodOfNOD | gives ProsaicMuse a cannon, MindWorX` a rifle, AsaPhelps a pistol, and Sixen a moose.... have at it! |
| 03:08.22 | ProsaicMuse | wait |
| 03:08.29 | MindWorX` | runs away from the moose |
| 03:08.33 | ProsaicMuse | sorry, just realized you already made the screen lol |
| 03:08.33 | Xackery | their Abil/ links are not unique, wonder if that's an issue. |
| 03:08.33 | AsaPhelps | hordes? |
| 03:08.35 | ProsaicMuse | didn't rean down |
| 03:08.36 | MindWorX` | We danes don't like bick animals |
| 03:08.42 | RodOfNOD | hehe |
| 03:08.44 | Xackery | Yeah, I assumed you'd ask for that, before you asked. XD |
| 03:08.45 | MindWorX` | AsaPhelps, From WoW you know, Horde vs Alliance |
| 03:08.49 | ProsaicMuse | hops in his cannon and launches himself out of the arena |
| 03:08.52 | AsaPhelps | I do have that |
| 03:08.53 | MindWorX` | Well |
| 03:08.56 | MindWorX` | From warcraft |
| 03:08.59 | AsaPhelps | shoots himself |
| 03:09.02 | AsaPhelps | I do have that |
| 03:09.09 | RodOfNOD | hehe |
| 03:09.10 | ProsaicMuse | @Xackery - so you just copy pasted them? |
| 03:09.11 | Sixen | I like mooses. |
| 03:09.16 | Xackery | Pretty much. |
| 03:09.19 | ProsaicMuse | Ahhh |
| 03:09.21 | Xackery | It's possible the Links are the reason? |
| 03:09.23 | RodOfNOD | i like the bullwinkle eh? |
| 03:09.24 | ProsaicMuse | Yes |
| 03:09.29 | Xackery | The issue is, Odin isn't showing his ability |
| 03:09.32 | ProsaicMuse | If you've ever looked at IDs |
| 03:09.32 | Xackery | but Egon is |
| 03:09.33 | AsaPhelps | Rod want to help? I'll make your name in big bright colors on the load screen |
| 03:09.36 | Xackery | and they're both sharing the same Id's. |
| 03:09.45 | MindWorX` | RodOfNOD: http://humoncomics.com/wonderful-nature |
| 03:09.48 | ProsaicMuse | There is a tooltip somewhere on ONE of the ID fields |
| 03:10.14 | ProsaicMuse | It explains that ID links cause abilities with the same link to be triggered simultaneously |
| 03:10.15 | Xackery | I'll try uniquifying that. and see if it fixes it. |
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| 03:10.29 | ProsaicMuse | IE - if you click A, B is used as well |
| 03:10.44 | ProsaicMuse | So yeah, lemme know what happens when everythign is all unique/defaulted |
| 03:10.45 | RodOfNOD | lol AsaPhelps |
| 03:10.51 | RodOfNOD | working on something atm :P |
| 03:11.53 | xttocs | is there any way to make a trigger run once per frame? |
| 03:12.15 | MindWorX` | xttocs |
| 03:12.15 | raydenuni | woah |
| 03:12.16 | MindWorX` | No |
| 03:12.21 | raydenuni | you want to kill the game? |
| 03:12.23 | raydenuni | why would you dot hat? |
| 03:12.28 | raydenuni | do that |
| 03:12.29 | MindWorX` | 16ticks seems to be the highest available |
| 03:12.37 | xttocs | 16 times per second?? |
| 03:12.41 | MindWorX` | Yes |
| 03:12.42 | vxcriss | anyone know how to open/close one of those cliff doors using a trigger? |
| 03:12.42 | raydenuni | you never want to do anything per frame |
| 03:12.43 | xttocs | That's it!? |
| 03:12.46 | raydenuni | what are you trying to do? |
| 03:12.46 | MindWorX` | Ot |
| 03:12.49 | MindWorX` | It's sad, i know |
| 03:12.57 | xttocs | hrmm |
| 03:13.01 | MindWorX` | It's related to some internal values i found when poking around |
| 03:13.08 | MindWorX` | Normal game speed is 4096 |
| 03:13.25 | MindWorX` | It's then divided by 256 |
| 03:13.29 | Cornelius | in the loading screen for "Help" i have 3 sentences, each on a new line. how do i make it randomly display 1 of those, instead of all 3? |
| 03:13.30 | ProsaicMuse | blue cheese is the strangest kind of cheese |
| 03:13.32 | MindWorX` | That's the ticks per second you can get |
| 03:13.39 | ProsaicMuse | If you eat it on its own, there is a 50% chance you will gag |
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| 03:13.43 | *** mode/#sc2mapster [+o ckknight] by ChanServ |
| 03:13.43 | Unrea1 | In Event+ how could I make something unclickable |
| 03:13.49 | vjeux | ~seen moshewe |
| 03:13.50 | purl | moshewe <moshewe@62.219.160.152> was last seen on IRC in channel #sc2mapster, 3d 6h 55m 32s ago, saying: 'with a big rubber dildo?'. |
| 03:13.51 | ProsaicMuse | If you mix it with food, there is a 75% chance you will orgasm |
| 03:13.56 | MindWorX` | ... |
| 03:13.57 | MindWorX` | lol |
| 03:13.59 | Cornelius | lol. |
| 03:14.01 | ProsaicMuse | If you mix it with other cheeses, there is a 100% chance you won't even know its there |
| 03:14.08 | xttocs | no true |
| 03:14.10 | xttocs | at all |
| 03:14.21 | xttocs | blue cheese overpowers most bland cheeses |
| 03:14.21 | ProsaicMuse | Well, obviously if you mix it with reg cheese you'll notice |
| 03:14.25 | ProsaicMuse | I'm talkin' REAL cheese |
| 03:14.29 | ProsaicMuse | not factory default cheese |
| 03:14.37 | Cornelius | in the loading screen for "Help" i have 3 sentences, each on a new line. how do i make it randomly display 1 of those, instead of all 3? |
| 03:14.38 | xttocs | 'real' cheese can still be bland |
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| 03:14.51 | xttocs | at least compared to blue cheese |
| 03:15.07 | PapaRoach | lol at "factory default cheese" |
| 03:15.18 | Zanam | anyone know a good unit to duplicate for a generic persistant special effect, like a gas cloud |
| 03:15.32 | ProsaicMuse | eww |
| 03:15.36 | ProsaicMuse | make it from scratch |
| 03:15.45 | PapaRoach | then take some prosaic |
| 03:15.49 | Unrea1 | [20:13] <Unrea1> In Event+ how could I make something unclickable |
| 03:15.55 | Unrea1 | ^^ |
| 03:16.30 | RodOfNOD | MindWorX` make it so when my boats are on water they dont run aground :P |
| 03:16.38 | MindWorX` | lol |
| 03:17.11 | RodOfNOD | u laugh how dare u laugh!! it is not a joking matter my good friend |
| 03:17.25 | PapaRoach | why is it that after you have 100+ actions in one trigger it starts to lagg when you try to add new ones or move thigns around >.< |
| 03:17.46 | Zanam | ProsaicMuse, when I make a unit from scratch I can't get it to show up in the editor's lists, say in the actor, i can go to unit birth, and the next drop-down menu doesn't have the unit I made. Is there a field that needs fixing to make it show up? |
| 03:17.52 | RodOfNOD | poor coding PapaRoach? |
| 03:18.11 | PapaRoach | indeed |
| 03:18.23 | AsaPhelps | anyone good with game variants? |
| 03:19.20 | Xackery | Just to make sure ProsaicMuse, you're talking about the Ability Links, right? When you note "ID" ? XD |
| 03:19.30 | Xackery | Or are you referring to Ability - Set ID? |
| 03:19.50 | ProsaicMuse | Yes and no |
| 03:19.59 | ProsaicMuse | I was indeed talking about the links that are identical |
| 03:20.02 | Xackery | I changed the Ability links |
| 03:20.04 | ProsaicMuse | however, I also was talking about the ID field |
| 03:20.05 | Xackery | and I have the same problem. |
| 03:20.14 | Xackery | Ialso gave them all unique Set ID's |
| 03:20.14 | ProsaicMuse | But you didn't do anything to that, so it wasn't the issue I was seeing |
| 03:20.33 | Xackery | and Odin still doesn't show his learn, while egon does. XD |
| 03:20.34 | Xackery | haha |
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| 03:20.40 | Xackery | I'm tempted to just.. REMAKE the Learn buttons. |
| 03:20.40 | ProsaicMuse | Do you have any requirements attached to the abilities? |
| 03:20.42 | Xackery | from scratch |
| 03:20.46 | Xackery | No requirements. |
| 03:20.55 | Xackery | Will double check Odin's. |
| 03:21.00 | Xackery | on his command card |
| 03:21.06 | ProsaicMuse | Try making a requirement that only shows the button if you own the unit |
| 03:21.09 | Xaax | So, I set the visibility for the player to Unexplored for the entire map and then set a wait action for 3 seconds and then set the visibility to explored in a specific region, however the trigger doesn't change the region from unexplored to explored. What have I done wrong? |
| 03:21.40 | Xackery | Oh, I know why Odin's wasn't coming up. XD |
| 03:22.11 | Xackery | I'll try that requirement, Prosaic. |
| 03:22.37 | ProsaicMuse | @Xaax - you used triggers, which are ghey, thus it didn't work |
| 03:22.43 | Xaax | Lol. |
| 03:22.47 | ProsaicMuse | Because triggers are ghey (I repeat myself for emphasis) |
| 03:23.15 | Vailreth | Prozaic hello |
| 03:23.30 | Vailreth | porsaic? |
| 03:23.34 | FahqueL | hi folks, i have a question about making/using a .mod file |
| 03:23.55 | P_R_Deltoid | AsaPhelps, can't test anymore for now, sorry |
| 03:24.04 | Xaax | You haven't spelled his name correctly and thus you get no response. |
| 03:24.08 | P_R_Deltoid | AsaPhelps, hope you fix the problem, have you seen the tutorial on gamemodes/variants? |
| 03:24.24 | *** mode/#sc2mapster [+v ProzaicMuze] by ChanServ |
| 03:24.26 | FahqueL | if i made a .mod and I want to test features in it, can i set a "test map" type function in the editor? |
| 03:24.29 | ProzaicMuze | much better |
| 03:24.55 | FahqueL | or do I have to make another map file and set the mod as a dependency just to test? |
| 03:25.02 | ProzaicMuze | Howdy Vail |
| 03:25.31 | ProzaicMuze | Yeah, I've decided I don't answer questions anymore unless it has my name somewhere in the sentence |
| 03:25.38 | vjeux | ~seen sherardt |
| 03:25.39 | purl | i haven't seen 'sherardt', vjeux |
| 03:25.39 | ProzaicMuze | It makes it easier to get work done since I don't go LOOKING for th equestions lol |
| 03:26.18 | Xackery | Not sure you can make a requirement to check the alliance status. XD |
| 03:26.48 | vjeux | ~seen Sherard |
| 03:26.49 | purl | sherard <~47aa77a3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.170.119.163> was last seen on IRC in channel #sc2mapster, 70d 3h 57m 3s ago, saying: 'whats going on everyone'. |
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| 03:27.19 | Nash | anyone feel like hack & slash ;o |
| 03:27.23 | Vailreth | ok ProzaicMuze would it be better to use a morph ability to morph between two custom units with identical stats and only diffrent abilities and weapons or make one unit that can shift modles depending on behaviors that you can toggle metween? |
| 03:27.55 | Dakafall | I really gotta get my progress bars working, anyone here familiar with them? |
| 03:27.59 | AsaPhelps | Man Gets 40 Years In Jail After Robbing Several GameStops... he's going to have so many games to catch up on once he's released |
| 03:28.09 | PapaRoach | wow, im pretty sure im the number one of map security when it comes to galaxy editor. theres no way anyone besides me would know wtf is going on. *thinks about adding more comments then sighs and goes on with life* |
| 03:28.11 | Xackery | Where are your progress bars located, Dakafall |
| 03:28.22 | ProzaicMuze | @Vail - do they have the same model and everything? |
| 03:29.19 | Vailreth | the two units would have diffrent models like one is sniper raynor and one is gauss rifle raynor |
| 03:29.44 | FahqueL | does anyone have any insight on my .mod issue? there is also this thread but it doesnt have any responses either... |
| 03:30.06 | FahqueL | http://forums.sc2mapster.com/development/map-development/4993-quick-question-about-using-galaxy-mod-files/ |
| 03:30.08 | ProzaicMuze | I'd say use a morph |
| 03:30.18 | ProzaicMuze | Since you're changing models and actors in the process |
| 03:30.35 | ProzaicMuze | Behaviors are only ideal if you have one unit wit hmultiple weapons or identical units with slight changes |
| 03:30.41 | Nash | mighty morphing power rangers? |
| 03:30.56 | Nash | or power Raynors |
| 03:31.51 | P_R_Deltoid | Hey |
| 03:31.52 | P_R_Deltoid | ProzaicMuze, |
| 03:31.57 | P_R_Deltoid | you knjow anything about Attack Target Priority |
| 03:32.01 | P_R_Deltoid | or, does anyone in here, for that matter |
| 03:32.05 | Darkarbiter__ | Who here is on SEA? |
| 03:32.31 | Vailreth | i wanted to reduce extra work since they will be identical save for weapons and models everything else is the same. |
| 03:32.32 | ProzaicMuze | PR - can you elaborate? |
| 03:32.53 | P_R_Deltoid | I am telling units to attack in a certain direction |
| 03:32.53 | ProzaicMuze | @Vail - oh, so it's just the graphic stuff? The weapon is the same? |
| 03:32.54 | P_R_Deltoid | and |
| 03:33.02 | P_R_Deltoid | I want to prioritize one of the units in that direction over the other |
| 03:33.08 | P_R_Deltoid | and it seems logical to use attack target priority |
| 03:33.21 | P_R_Deltoid | as the tooltip seems to mean that it will cause the higher priority to be attacked first |
| 03:33.26 | ProzaicMuze | By weapon I mean the data weapon, not the unit model's weapon |
| 03:33.29 | P_R_Deltoid | but it seems something funny is happening and it is ignoring it |
| 03:33.41 | ProzaicMuze | So Target Sorts/Finds? |
| 03:33.48 | Tinman | sighs |
| 03:33.52 | P_R_Deltoid | I guess? There seems to be one built in that it isn't seeing |
| 03:33.56 | P_R_Deltoid | it's purely an attack move |
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| 03:33.58 | Vailreth | the one unit would have both weapons that i toggle between with the behaviors. |
| 03:34.09 | P_R_Deltoid | not a unique ability or anything |
| 03:34.27 | P_R_Deltoid | the thing is |
| 03:34.33 | P_R_Deltoid | it's because the unit is attacking them, I think |
| 03:34.37 | ProzaicMuze | Just go verify, you're taling about the Weapon - Aquire Prioritization/Target Sorts+ fields, right? |
| 03:34.40 | ProzaicMuze | to* |
| 03:34.43 | ProzaicMuze | talking* |
| 03:34.47 | ProzaicMuze | Acquire* |
| 03:34.48 | P_R_Deltoid | No... the Attack Priority field. |
| 03:34.49 | ProzaicMuze | sheesh |
| 03:34.50 | ProzaicMuze | I fail |
| 03:34.51 | P_R_Deltoid | Unit Attack Priority |
| 03:34.52 | *** part/#sc2mapster Xackery (~Xackery@ip72-193-57-227.lv.lv.cox.net) |
| 03:34.53 | P_R_Deltoid | ON the unit itself |
| 03:34.58 | ProzaicMuze | Oh |
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| 03:35.01 | P_R_Deltoid | but |
| 03:35.11 | P_R_Deltoid | perhaps looking at the weapon may yield something |
| 03:35.13 | ProzaicMuze | @Vail - do you already have the weapon swapping setup with the behaviors? |
| 03:35.27 | Trager | 1/4 of the way though |
| 03:35.29 | ProzaicMuze | Complete with changing icons on the unit' stats? |
| 03:36.10 | ProzaicMuze | @PR - Attack Target Priority determines what units are attacked first when A-Moved |
| 03:36.26 | P_R_Deltoid | Well |
| 03:36.31 | P_R_Deltoid | the thing is, it isn't working that way |
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| 03:36.39 | ProzaicMuze | Thus a priority of 12 would be attaced AFTER a unit of 20 by a unit with AI |
| 03:36.48 | P_R_Deltoid | wait |
| 03:36.48 | vxcriss | anyone know how to get a doodad space platform door to open? |
| 03:36.49 | ProzaicMuze | You have to add Tactical AI to the unit |
| 03:36.55 | P_R_Deltoid | whaaaaa |
| 03:36.58 | P_R_Deltoid | @_@ |
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| 03:37.11 | Vailreth | i have the weapon switch done already |
| 03:37.15 | Unrea1 | How could I make a player untarget an object thats unclickable |
| 03:37.31 | Nash | select something else? |
| 03:37.31 | ProzaicMuze | All those fields at the top with AI prefixes |
| 03:37.43 | Unrea1 | Without selecting something else |
| 03:37.48 | ProzaicMuze | @vail - then if all you need is modelswapping, just do that |
| 03:37.49 | Unrea1 | Like a force unselect |
| 03:37.49 | RodOfNOD | is bored... so he hands ProzaicMuze a nuke, P_R_Deltoid a salami (might be magical) and Vailreth a Yamamoto cannon |
| 03:37.55 | ProzaicMuze | Have it swap models when the behavior is created |
| 03:38.09 | ProzaicMuze | chews on the nuke, jealous of the salami PR got :( |
| 03:38.17 | P_R_Deltoid | God damn |
| 03:38.17 | RodOfNOD | hehe |
| 03:38.25 | Unrea1 | n e 1 |
| 03:38.26 | P_R_Deltoid | I will trade you for answers, and perhaps tooltips |
| 03:38.32 | Nash | deselect using triggers works |
| 03:38.34 | P_R_Deltoid | tooltips would be really nice every, I dunno, millenia |
| 03:38.40 | P_R_Deltoid | because I have no idea what the shit any of this shit does |
| 03:38.47 | Vailreth | thanks. |
| 03:38.48 | Unrea1 | Triggers >.> |
| 03:39.03 | Unrea1 | In DE would be better |
| 03:39.05 | RodOfNOD | Unrea1 do u mean u want to make a unit unselectable? |
| 03:39.10 | Unrea1 | no |
| 03:39.25 | Unrea1 | As in a force unselect if selected when model swapped |
| 03:39.33 | Nash | eh, some things are just easier with triggers |
| 03:39.42 | LordAbyss | SIXEN |
| 03:39.44 | LordAbyss | 1v1 NOW |
| 03:39.44 | RodOfNOD | so deselect the unit? |
| 03:39.51 | Unrea1 | Yes |
| 03:39.59 | Unrea1 | A force deselect |
| 03:40.30 | Vailreth | you are working on the treestumps Unrea1 |
| 03:40.34 | Sixen | working on something :p |
| 03:40.40 | Xackery | yawn desu. |
| 03:40.40 | Unrea1 | Yes |
| 03:40.44 | Unrea1 | I changed it to DE |
| 03:40.53 | Unrea1 | And I want a force unselect |
| 03:40.58 | LordAbyss | fine, but i expect to play you tonight |
| 03:41.07 | LordAbyss | otherwise, i know where you go to school |
| 03:41.14 | LordAbyss | and im sure i can find a knife |
| 03:41.14 | Vailreth | i think i have a maybe solution ... |
| 03:41.40 | Nash | a maybe solution |
| 03:41.58 | RodOfNOD | Unrea1 - http://pastebin.com/tASfyLkP |
| 03:41.58 | Unrea1 | And that would be |
| 03:42.22 | RodOfNOD | obviously u have to pick the correct player and unit to deselect |
| 03:42.32 | Nash | that's a crappy way of doing it |
| 03:42.40 | Vailreth | i am trying it now to see if it works |
| 03:42.41 | RodOfNOD | so? |
| 03:42.47 | Unrea1 | I lol'ed irl |
| 03:42.57 | RodOfNOD | then just deslect the unit |
| 03:42.58 | RodOfNOD | :P |
| 03:43.11 | Nash | Unit Selection - deselect |
| 03:43.20 | RodOfNOD | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:43.32 | RodOfNOD | yes but i was having fun with Unrea1 :P |
| 03:43.44 | Unrea1 | Shits real |
| 03:43.46 | Unrea1 | Unreal |
| 03:43.48 | Nash | Riiiight. |
| 03:44.22 | RodOfNOD | the only issue with select deslect is somethings if u do the deselect IN the selection event it has failed for me |
| 03:44.25 | Nash | No Euros on at this hour, I wanna kill some Zerg. |
| 03:44.29 | RodOfNOD | so u have to do a wait 0.0 |
| 03:45.21 | Vailreth | drat how to you make a unit unselectable... |
| 03:45.43 | Unrea1 | Unselectable flag? |
| 03:45.50 | Vailreth | i cant find one |
| 03:46.06 | Nash | Unit tab |
| 03:46.32 | RodOfNOD | field: flags |
| 03:46.42 | Unrea1 | I was looking through the event+ tab see if I could trigger it on model swap |
| 03:46.44 | Unrea1 | But no go |
| 03:46.45 | AsaPhelps | who was helping me set the unit health of a unit to 50% every respawn? |
| 03:46.54 | Unrea1 | Then again im not the best with DE |
| 03:46.57 | devilesk-571 | whats a leash do |
| 03:46.59 | devilesk-571 | ilke critter wander leash |
| 03:47.01 | devilesk-571 | whats that |
| 03:47.17 | FahqueL | i assume it limits the wander "range" of a creep |
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| 03:47.33 | WAR | Does Activeplayers count computer players? |
| 03:47.36 | devilesk-571 | isn't there already |
| 03:47.38 | devilesk-571 | a range |
| 03:47.40 | devilesk-571 | field |
| 03:47.45 | FahqueL | if it spawned at xyz it probably has a "leash" of xx units in each direction to wander |
| 03:47.51 | FahqueL | idk i was just guessing |
| 03:47.54 | antares- | hrm, how would you make a beam target a point instead of a unit? i have it tied to a search area currently, and it just seems to randomly pick a unit from the search area to target (and if there's no unit it doesn't fire at all).. i think i'm probably missing something obvious? |
| 03:48.50 | P_R_Deltoid | AsaPhelps, |
| 03:48.53 | P_R_Deltoid | ain't hard |
| 03:48.56 | P_R_Deltoid | what are you doing exactly? |
| 03:49.15 | Nash | probably set to target unit in the effect |
| 03:49.39 | AsaPhelps | okay |
| 03:49.44 | AsaPhelps | so I have 30 or so units |
| 03:49.52 | AsaPhelps | and when they die there's an ability to respawn them |
| 03:49.56 | AsaPhelps | they share health if it matters |
| 03:50.07 | AsaPhelps | but each time they respawn them I want them to have 50% less max health |
| 03:50.20 | AsaPhelps | so they start with 5000, then after respawn I want them to have 2500, etc etc |
| 03:50.41 | AsaPhelps | I tried Unit - Set (Last created unit) Life (Percent) to (((Last created unit) Life (Current)) - 50.0) |
| 03:50.41 | AsaPhelps | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:51.00 | Nash | You'd have to change Maximum Life |
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| 03:51.22 | AsaPhelps | and how would that be done? |
| 03:51.25 | P_R_Deltoid | "respawn them" |
| 03:51.34 | AsaPhelps | yes |
| 03:51.35 | P_R_Deltoid | I assume they are not actually remade, but a unit of the same type? |
| 03:51.41 | Nash | set unit property IIRC |
| 03:51.41 | P_R_Deltoid | Sometimes heroes can be remade |
| 03:51.43 | AsaPhelps | correct |
| 03:51.45 | P_R_Deltoid | but a regular unit isn't that hard |
| 03:51.46 | P_R_Deltoid | indeed |
| 03:51.50 | AsaPhelps | let me paste my trigger |
| 03:51.53 | P_R_Deltoid | Alright |
| 03:51.55 | P_R_Deltoid | do it in pastebin |
| 03:51.56 | P_R_Deltoid | please |
| 03:51.57 | P_R_Deltoid | not here |
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| 03:52.59 | Vailreth | well i cant make it delesect automaticly but i can make it so that it turns in to an unselectable unit and once delected it will not be selectable |
| 03:53.08 | AsaPhelps | http://pastebin.com/w9PTyt0K |
| 03:53.18 | AsaPhelps | I probably put the change in the wrong line but I doubt its right to begin with |
| 03:53.33 | P_R_Deltoid | wait what is this.. using ability business |
| 03:53.33 | WAR | Who wants to make some cash for their coding creation? |
| 03:54.09 | P_R_Deltoid | so, this doesn't work, you say? |
| 03:54.10 | AsaPhelps | its a dummy ability |
| 03:54.14 | WAR | Who wants to make some cash for their coding creation? |
| 03:54.17 | P_R_Deltoid | Oh wait |
| 03:54.18 | P_R_Deltoid | yeah |
| 03:54.19 | P_R_Deltoid | okay |
| 03:54.20 | P_R_Deltoid | missile wars |
| 03:54.21 | P_R_Deltoid | defence |
| 03:54.22 | AsaPhelps | well I actually had that life thing in the if then statement |
| 03:54.24 | P_R_Deltoid | those shield bubbles, right? |
| 03:54.27 | AsaPhelps | yeah |
| 03:54.30 | P_R_Deltoid | Oh, alright |
| 03:54.32 | AsaPhelps | those are 33 units with shared health |
| 03:54.33 | P_R_Deltoid | Lets see then |
| 03:54.36 | AsaPhelps | because I'm such a pro editor |
| 03:54.37 | P_R_Deltoid | shared health how |
| 03:54.41 | AsaPhelps | its a behavior |
| 03:54.44 | P_R_Deltoid | shared like... they have 1 health bar? |
| 03:54.47 | P_R_Deltoid | oooo tricky |
| 03:54.52 | AsaPhelps | if any takes damage they all take damage |
| 03:54.55 | AsaPhelps | lol |
| 03:54.58 | AsaPhelps | its so cheesy |
| 03:54.59 | Unrea1 | Vailreth you find anything |
| 03:55.01 | P_R_Deltoid | that makes this much more confusing |
| 03:55.09 | P_R_Deltoid | I think... |
| 03:55.10 | P_R_Deltoid | anyways |
| 03:55.23 | P_R_Deltoid | Well, this would work once, won't it? |
| 03:55.33 | AsaPhelps | not from my test |
| 03:55.35 | P_R_Deltoid | and then not work after that? |
| 03:55.43 | P_R_Deltoid | What is it doing? Are you use it's getting into that loop |
| 03:55.44 | P_R_Deltoid | ? |
| 03:55.49 | P_R_Deltoid | You've done all the basic testing shizz, right? |
| 03:56.00 | Vailreth | if you do not want the trees to regrow i have a half solution |
| 03:56.02 | AsaPhelps | well I can't test this alone |
| 03:56.05 | AsaPhelps | or maybe I can |
| 03:56.31 | Nash | Life (Current) returns a Real of the units health |
| 03:56.37 | Nash | not a percentage |
| 03:56.51 | AsaPhelps | so what should it be instead? |
| 03:57.21 | Unrea1 | Yeah I dont want the trees to regrow |
| 03:57.36 | Nash | You could do Life (Current) = Life (Current)/2 or something. |
| 03:57.42 | AsaPhelps | hmm |
| 03:57.46 | AsaPhelps | prehaps |
| 03:57.51 | AsaPhelps | but wouldn't that only work once? |
| 03:58.09 | AsaPhelps | oh i might know |
| 03:58.15 | P_R_Deltoid | You can always test alone! |
| 03:58.23 | P_R_Deltoid | see |
| 03:58.28 | P_R_Deltoid | you have to store the health in a global variable |
| 03:58.31 | P_R_Deltoid | and set it every time you reduce |
| 03:58.31 | Vailreth | Unrea1 create a dummy treestump unit with the treestump actor then set the resource behavior depeleted unit to that dummy tree stump and give that unit the unselectable flag |
| 03:58.33 | P_R_Deltoid | because when ou make a shield |
| 03:58.45 | P_R_Deltoid | it will ALWAYS make the same shield with the same health, and you will divide it in half |
| 03:59.00 | P_R_Deltoid | so no matter how many time syou do it, if it works, it will only slice it off by half of the first amount |
| 03:59.01 | P_R_Deltoid | over and over |
| 03:59.06 | P_R_Deltoid | ie not what you want, I assume |
| 03:59.38 | Nash | Yeah, ShieldHealth = ShieldHealth/2 |
| 03:59.45 | P_R_Deltoid | Yeah |
| 03:59.50 | Unrea1 | So with a model swap a unit swap as well pretty much |
| 03:59.51 | P_R_Deltoid | that is an even easier way |
| 03:59.54 | P_R_Deltoid | So like |
| 04:00.14 | AsaPhelps | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:00.17 | AsaPhelps | what about that |
| 04:00.21 | P_R_Deltoid | do that then just Life (Current) = Shield Health |
| 04:00.26 | P_R_Deltoid | naw |
| 04:00.27 | P_R_Deltoid | well |
| 04:00.32 | AsaPhelps | :( |
| 04:00.33 | P_R_Deltoid | max life and life are difficult, I think you have to edit both |
| 04:00.37 | P_R_Deltoid | but I don't think that is your problem |
| 04:00.38 | P_R_Deltoid | Asa |
| 04:00.40 | Cryosis | any way to remove fog of war? |
| 04:00.42 | P_R_Deltoid | I think it isn't going off at all. |
| 04:00.45 | Vailreth | you may not even need an actor on the treestunmp duummy |
| 04:00.50 | P_R_Deltoid | so you need to find a way to test if it gets into that loop |
| 04:00.53 | P_R_Deltoid | with a debug message or something |
| 04:01.04 | P_R_Deltoid | damn |
| 04:01.13 | P_R_Deltoid | Thought Unrea1 got that tree thing finished |
| 04:01.20 | Unrea1 | Changing it around |
| 04:01.51 | P_R_Deltoid | 'Oh you |
| 04:02.10 | Vailreth | now this will not auto delesect but it will be unselectable in the future |
| 04:02.34 | Unrea1 | Perfect |
| 04:02.52 | Nash | select/deselect is neat |
| 04:03.26 | P_R_Deltoid | Cryosis, a simple full map revealer? |
| 04:03.34 | Nash | when your hero dies, scrolling to start area to select revive building would suck :G |
| 04:03.35 | P_R_Deltoid | other than that, still a high probaility |
| 04:03.36 | Cryosis | ? |
| 04:03.41 | Cryosis | yes |
| 04:03.42 | Cryosis | for testing |
| 04:03.50 | Cryosis | I can't see what the hell is going on with the AI |
| 04:03.52 | Trager | Cryosis you can do that from the map init trigger |
| 04:03.53 | P_R_Deltoid | a simple full map revealer |
| 04:04.06 | P_R_Deltoid | on map init create revealer for entire map, show revealer |
| 04:04.09 | Vailreth | there has to be away to get the creep to cause damage.. if i just knew where the creep data was stored |
| 04:04.13 | Trager | give me a sec I'll make one to show you |
| 04:04.14 | P_R_Deltoid | 2 lines |
| 04:04.37 | Trager | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:04.39 | Trager | one line |
| 04:04.46 | P_R_Deltoid | Vailreth, how ar eyou spreading creep? |
| 04:05.03 | Vailreth | creep source foot prints |
| 04:05.50 | P_R_Deltoid | aw |
| 04:05.53 | Cryosis | it's having me specify a region. |
| 04:05.54 | P_R_Deltoid | okay |
| 04:05.59 | P_R_Deltoid | Go to Functions |
| 04:06.02 | P_R_Deltoid | Use Entire Map |
| 04:06.08 | Trager | Cryosis you can choose entire map as your region |
| 04:06.08 | Trager | brb |
| 04:06.10 | P_R_Deltoid | Functions or Presets |
| 04:06.23 | Vailreth | i do not want to use triggers for this |
| 04:06.29 | Cryosis | oh brilliant |
| 04:06.31 | Cryosis | thank you both |
| 04:06.34 | P_R_Deltoid | well |
| 04:06.48 | Nash | MAPHACK OMG |
| 04:06.48 | P_R_Deltoid | i was gonna say if you were using a creep tumor |
| 04:06.51 | P_R_Deltoid | just an aoe behavior |
| 04:06.52 | P_R_Deltoid | but |
| 04:06.54 | P_R_Deltoid | since you're not |
| 04:06.58 | P_R_Deltoid | I dunno what to tell ya! |
| 04:07.33 | Vailreth | ive tried using an aoe but hmm...maybe a longer duration |
| 04:07.49 | currydevil | Ok, would anyone like to test a victory/defeat trigger for my map real quick? |
| 04:08.03 | currydevil | (US) ... |
| 04:08.21 | P_R_Deltoid | Well, Vailreth, I was thinking of Creep Tumors, but you are using a non-unit |
| 04:08.21 | P_R_Deltoid | so |
| 04:08.25 | P_R_Deltoid | vOv |
| 04:08.34 | Nash | vov |
| 04:08.41 | P_R_Deltoid | it's a guy shrugging, see him? |
| 04:08.41 | Phaos | Hmm it seems overly difficult to make an ability that "heals" energy. "create healer" works on periods not a burst. damage still seems to do damage rather than heal energy. |
| 04:08.41 | Phaos | and modify unit is scary |
| 04:08.59 | P_R_Deltoid | modify unit is the way to go |
| 04:09.06 | Vailreth | i was using creeptumors and every other creep producing unit ... they have the creep source footprints |
| 04:09.16 | P_R_Deltoid | can't you just do 1 period,like... a burst? |
| 04:09.23 | Phaos | nope |
| 04:09.29 | Phaos | heal functions for as long as it's cast |
| 04:09.31 | P_R_Deltoid | Vailreth, I don't... quite... follow, so you are spreading creep regularly? |
| 04:09.44 | P_R_Deltoid | you can't make a one off "heal" ? |
| 04:09.48 | Nash | copy/paste from that zerg queen thingy |
| 04:09.54 | P_R_Deltoid | Queen has that ability, what is she doing? |
| 04:10.00 | Phaos | thats what I am trying to do with "damage" |
| 04:10.03 | Vailreth | yes i am spreading creep normally |
| 04:10.10 | Trager | back |
| 04:10.15 | P_R_Deltoid | Vailreth, then give the creep spreaders a behavior, I guess vOv |
| 04:10.21 | Phaos | but "damage" is hurting them. not even their energy which I specified. but their health |
| 04:10.26 | Nash | I made a medkit ability |
| 04:10.27 | P_R_Deltoid | but if it's like... all of the zerg, you have to make Drop Creep a set |
| 04:10.28 | Vailreth | why is Modify unit scarry Phaos? |
| 04:10.32 | P_R_Deltoid | so that it only turns on while they are dropping |
| 04:10.41 | P_R_Deltoid | Phaos, have you checked the queen "Transfuse" |
| 04:10.56 | Phaos | lol |
| 04:10.59 | Phaos | good point |
| 04:11.02 | Phaos | durr |
| 04:11.08 | Nash | MODIFY UNIT |
| 04:11.10 | *** join/#sc2mapster Fromethius (d03a751d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.208.58.117.29) |
| 04:11.13 | Nash | Vitals |
| 04:11.18 | currydevil | vitals |
| 04:11.21 | currydevil | in the heal effects |
| 04:11.23 | AsaPhelps | vitals |
| 04:11.28 | currydevil | for medic heals, you can change it to energy |
| 04:11.29 | P_R_Deltoid | weird, the AI notify effect is called "Overseer - Transfusion" |
| 04:11.39 | P_R_Deltoid | currydevil, he said he wanted a burst |
| 04:11.41 | P_R_Deltoid | not a channel |
| 04:11.42 | Nash | My medkit works fine. |
| 04:11.46 | P_R_Deltoid | I ... think! |
| 04:11.53 | currydevil | well, i was minimized at that part >.> |
| 04:11.53 | P_R_Deltoid | but yeah |
| 04:11.54 | P_R_Deltoid | vitals |
| 04:11.56 | P_R_Deltoid | might work |
| 04:12.00 | P_R_Deltoid | whoooo knowwwws |
| 04:12.14 | Phaos | yeah trying modify unit |
| 04:12.15 | P_R_Deltoid | wow, even the effect is called "Overseer - Transfusion" |
| 04:12.20 | P_R_Deltoid | I guess they originally gavce it to the overseer |
| 04:12.22 | Phaos | modify unit is scary because I have never used it before :P |
| 04:12.38 | P_R_Deltoid | wow |
| 04:12.40 | Nash | Modify Unit type Effect -> Effect tab -> Vitals -> Change or Change Fraction |
| 04:12.43 | P_R_Deltoid | this is actually really easy... |
| 04:12.44 | Nash | D_D |
| 04:12.47 | Nash | not that hard |
| 04:12.58 | Vailreth | well goodnight all im gout |
| 04:13.01 | Vailreth | out |
| 04:13.01 | P_R_Deltoid | Cya |
| 04:13.08 | P_R_Deltoid | flashbang... out |
| 04:13.09 | currydevil | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:13.28 | P_R_Deltoid | the.. ghost can do both |
| 04:13.36 | P_R_Deltoid | but it's so easy, Effect - Target, Vitals field |
| 04:13.38 | P_R_Deltoid | easy peasy |
| 04:13.40 | Trager | Hey Cryosis if you wanted to give all players visibility at map init you could do something like this http://paste.sc2mapster.com/2354/ |
| 04:13.43 | P_R_Deltoid | queens transfuse makes it so obvious |
| 04:13.57 | P_R_Deltoid | Trager, he said for testing |
| 04:13.57 | P_R_Deltoid | so... |
| 04:13.59 | P_R_Deltoid | :| |
| 04:14.04 | P_R_Deltoid | that really isn't that necissary |
| 04:14.08 | Trager | JUST TRYING TO BE HELPFUL |
| 04:14.11 | Trager | JEEZ |
| 04:14.14 | Phaos | yeah |
| 04:14.16 | Phaos | really easy |
| 04:14.17 | Nash | in SC1 you could use maphack for testing :G |
| 04:14.19 | Phaos | not scary at all |
| 04:14.22 | Trager | lol |
| 04:14.27 | vxcriss | anyone know how to remove the selection from a triggering unit without removing the selection from all the units that are currently selected? |
| 04:14.30 | Phaos | oh data editor. how scary "new things" are with you |
| 04:14.36 | Nash | maphack even made your map revealers show up in game |
| 04:14.40 | Nash | very useful |
| 04:15.11 | Nash | Unit Selection - Deselect D_D |
| 04:15.19 | P_R_Deltoid | Trager, :p |
| 04:15.38 | *** join/#sc2mapster KiwiWarrior (~orbiterbu@122.58.67.122) |
| 04:15.44 | currydevil | anyone on US want to test a map for 2 min? I need to see if my victory/defeat trigger is working. |
| 04:15.47 | vxcriss | lol obviously, I guess it's time for me to go to bed :P |
| 04:15.48 | vxcriss | thanks |
| 04:16.06 | Nash | write it down before you sleep :P |
| 04:16.09 | KiwiWarrior | *licks slightlyrandom*, SUP |
| 04:16.10 | Trager | lol |
| 04:16.18 | slightlyrandom | ?? |
| 04:16.35 | Trager | Slightlyrandom I think he likes you |
| 04:17.26 | Nash | Kiwis like sheep D: |
| 04:17.40 | Trager | lol |
| 04:17.54 | currydevil | wants to test his mapppp |
| 04:18.04 | Trager | wow, I need to reduce my 'lol' density |
| 04:18.05 | Nash | does too |
| 04:18.11 | Trager | 3 in so many minutes |
| 04:18.25 | Xaax | Is there any way to create doodads with a trigger? |
| 04:18.30 | Zanam | currydevil, i'll grab you in a sec. |
| 04:18.35 | vxcriss | ok so how do I issue an attack-move order to a unit using triggers? |
| 04:18.35 | Zanam | finishing up a test of my own |
| 04:18.37 | currydevil | ok :) |
| 04:18.48 | Nash | scan move |
| 04:19.01 | Trager | Vxcriss: Unit - Order all units in Player3 Marines to ( Attack targeting Player4 Base) (Replace Existing Orders) |
| 04:19.01 | Xaax | Or just attack. |
| 04:19.05 | Trager | NOT SCAN MOVE |
| 04:19.07 | Trager | DONT BE FOOLED |
| 04:19.13 | Nash | FINE |
| 04:19.19 | currydevil | it's a trap! |
| 04:19.28 | WAR | RROWLAND |
| 04:19.31 | Nash | ATTACK PEWPEWPEW |
| 04:19.38 | Trager | for the LOVE OF GOD do not use scan moce |
| 04:19.41 | Trager | move* |
| 04:19.47 | Trager | I'm currently redoing 40 triggers |
| 04:20.08 | Xaax | I want to make blood splatter doodads appear in an area with a trigger, how do I go about doing this? |
| 04:20.21 | Nash | maybe if you didn't copy/paste so much you wouldn't have to |
| 04:20.49 | Trager | dont talk shit about copy/paste |
| 04:20.50 | P_R_Deltoid | YEAH |
| 04:20.52 | vxcriss | my problem is that I have 2 doors that link to each other, and when multiple units are "telepoted" through the doors, because they are so many, some of them end up on the region that triggers them to get back where they came from |
| 04:20.53 | P_R_Deltoid | FUCK COPY AND PASTE |
| 04:20.56 | P_R_Deltoid | FUCK ALL COPIES |
| 04:20.59 | P_R_Deltoid | and ALL PASTES |
| 04:21.08 | P_R_Deltoid | DOWN WITH COPY AND PASTE |
| 04:21.10 | P_R_Deltoid | DOWN WITH THE SYSTEM |
| 04:21.12 | Trager | what about kill and yank? |
| 04:21.13 | vxcriss | is there any other way of doing "teleport" between two locations without having an "entry" and an "exit" region at each end? |
| 04:21.14 | P_R_Deltoid | VIVA LA RETYPING |
| 04:21.19 | Trager | kill and yank is retro |
| 04:21.30 | Xaax | Anyone? |
| 04:21.38 | P_R_Deltoid | vxcriss, yep |
| 04:21.39 | P_R_Deltoid | fuck |
| 04:21.40 | P_R_Deltoid | I am off |
| 04:21.42 | P_R_Deltoid | anyways |
| 04:21.43 | P_R_Deltoid | yes |
| 04:21.48 | Trager | points/coords? |
| 04:21.49 | P_R_Deltoid | Quite easily... depending on how you want to do it |
| 04:21.57 | P_R_Deltoid | You can get points in runtime |
| 04:21.57 | KiwiWarrior | Slightlyrandom I think he likes you: yes slightlyrandom is the fucken man he helped me |
| 04:21.58 | KiwiWarrior | xD |
| 04:21.59 | P_R_Deltoid | so something like |
| 04:22.05 | P_R_Deltoid | Get Point With Polar Offset |
| 04:22.11 | P_R_Deltoid | you can set how far and at what angle you want it to move |
| 04:22.16 | P_R_Deltoid | or, put the point at, I mean |
| 04:22.18 | AsaPhelps | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:22.19 | AsaPhelps | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:22.20 | P_R_Deltoid | and from where |
| 04:22.25 | Trager | what he said |
| 04:22.30 | P_R_Deltoid | AsaPhelps, I told you, you have to set it ot a variable |
| 04:22.33 | AsaPhelps | should I just use a variable? |
| 04:22.34 | AsaPhelps | okay |
| 04:22.35 | P_R_Deltoid | Yes |
| 04:22.38 | P_R_Deltoid | Or |
| 04:22.43 | P_R_Deltoid | you can set the default health |
| 04:22.47 | P_R_Deltoid | (not sure if that is possible in runtime |
| 04:22.48 | P_R_Deltoid | ) |
| 04:22.52 | P_R_Deltoid | but if you can, that would also work |
| 04:22.56 | P_R_Deltoid | set the default health, and then the current health |
| 04:23.10 | P_R_Deltoid | basically what would happen with the variable |
| 04:23.27 | Nash | VARIABLES :D! |
| 04:23.39 | vxcriss | so if I'm using points instead of region, how would that prevent large masses of units from triggering the "carry me back" effect? |
| 04:24.08 | Trager | what would that be? |
| 04:24.13 | vxcriss | my current idea was to issue a "attack move" order to have all units move a bit further from the door to make room |
| 04:24.22 | P_R_Deltoid | vxcriss, carry me back effect... |
| 04:24.36 | P_R_Deltoid | what is that |
| 04:24.44 | currydevil | you know.. the trigger on the other side of a cave entrance to exit the cave = "carry me back" |
| 04:24.51 | P_R_Deltoid | And you misunderstand. I am saying, use a dynamic point |
| 04:24.52 | Trager | no I dont |
| 04:24.54 | P_R_Deltoid | a point with a polar offset |
| 04:24.57 | P_R_Deltoid | you don't place it in the editor |
| 04:24.58 | Trager | ^good idea |
| 04:25.04 | P_R_Deltoid | you create its coordinates in runtime |
| 04:25.08 | P_R_Deltoid | using angles and units |
| 04:25.17 | Trager | point with polar offset of the triggering point |
| 04:25.20 | vxcriss | well when multiple units are moved from "door 1 entry" region to "door 2 exit" region and they are so many of them that some of them land on the "door 2 entry" region and get carried back to "door 1 exit" |
| 04:25.22 | vxcriss | get it? |
| 04:25.31 | Zanam | currydevil, add me in game and i'll help you test. Zanam.886 |
| 04:25.39 | vxcriss | aha |
| 04:25.40 | currydevil | ok, publishing map now |
| 04:25.40 | Trager | you can make it so they can be placed over things when they spawn |
| 04:25.42 | jorgenpt | What benefit does associating players with leaderboard rows have? |
| 04:25.51 | P_R_Deltoid | So.. they are pushing each other backwards ? |
| 04:25.53 | Trager | they'll end up sorting themselves out |
| 04:26.04 | Nash | or BIGGER ROOM |
| 04:26.07 | Nash | D_D |
| 04:26.37 | Trager | yea, good idea Nash. VXcriss just remake your map |
| 04:26.39 | vxcriss | no, when you issue a "move instantly" action to the game the game tries to put it as close as possible to the destination region, but if that space is taken, it just goes radial around the center to find the closest empty location |
| 04:26.53 | P_R_Deltoid | Yeah |
| 04:26.55 | P_R_Deltoid | so... |
| 04:26.57 | P_R_Deltoid | okay |
| 04:27.02 | jorgenpt | And what does Set Leaderboard Item Sort Order do? |
| 04:27.04 | vxcriss | considering both the entry/exit regions are close to each other, it happens for some of them to land on the wrong point |
| 04:27.05 | Trager | so you're worried about one of the radial units retriggering? |
| 04:27.08 | P_R_Deltoid | you want a unit to spawn then move forward so the point they are spawning on is more open? |
| 04:27.09 | currydevil | which ends up putting a unit on his other region to teleport the unit back to where it came from |
| 04:27.14 | Nash | or make an ability you click to initiate teleport |
| 04:27.26 | vxcriss | ye that's what I'm thinking |
| 04:27.30 | currydevil | zanam: i'm magnade 936 |
| 04:27.31 | vxcriss | move them away fromt he point a bit |
| 04:27.36 | P_R_Deltoid | jorgenpt, I assume determine the sort order of items |
| 04:27.38 | P_R_Deltoid | ? |
| 04:27.57 | Nash | a "Use" key sort of |
| 04:28.00 | P_R_Deltoid | vxcriss, and moving them to static points won't work/ |
| 04:28.01 | jorgenpt | P_R_Deltoid: It takes a row, a column and an int to specify "sort order" |
| 04:28.01 | P_R_Deltoid | ? |
| 04:28.03 | P_R_Deltoid | for what reason? |
| 04:28.13 | P_R_Deltoid | jorgenpt, just a guess! I hate leaderboards |
| 04:28.15 | P_R_Deltoid | they are ugl |
| 04:28.15 | P_R_Deltoid | y |
| 04:28.16 | P_R_Deltoid | ugly |
| 04:28.26 | Trager | anyone know some good music to code to? |
| 04:28.38 | Nash | I just code to punk |
| 04:28.43 | jorgenpt | Depends on what you like |
| 04:28.43 | Trager | punk is dead |
| 04:28.47 | Nash | Well, I do everything to punk |
| 04:28.48 | jorgenpt | I code to dnb |
| 04:28.50 | Nash | LIES |
| 04:29.03 | Trager | jorgenpt my thoughts exactly |
| 04:29.04 | AsaPhelps | deltoid argh I suck with triggers |
| 04:29.05 | vxcriss | nah, it works but it's a bit lame, I was wondering if there's any smarter solution like somehow avoid the "when unit enters region" event when a unit is moved using action and only proc it when it actually moves due to a move order |
| 04:29.07 | AsaPhelps | I have this |
| 04:29.11 | AsaPhelps | shieldhealth = 5000 |
| 04:29.23 | AsaPhelps | then you use the ability, set shieldhealth = sh/2 |
| 04:29.27 | WAR | What's the name for the Icons on the right hand of the screen that shows hints/information called? |
| 04:29.32 | AsaPhelps | then it spawns at 2500, which is good |
| 04:29.37 | AsaPhelps | but the second time its still 2500 |
| 04:29.37 | P_R_Deltoid | and then |
| 04:29.47 | Trager | who do you listen to? |
| 04:29.50 | P_R_Deltoid | what is sh? |
| 04:29.56 | Nash | you could try triggering on Unit Uses Ability |
| 04:29.58 | P_R_Deltoid | is that literally shield health |
| 04:30.01 | P_R_Deltoid | or a local variable of some sort |
| 04:30.03 | Xaax | Anyone have any ideas how I should go about creating a doodad in a region with triggers? |
| 04:30.07 | P_R_Deltoid | Post the trigger |
| 04:30.10 | WAR | What's the name for the Icons on the right hand of the screen that shows hints/information called? |
| 04:30.12 | Tinman | Ok, for those who are following me, I am rendering out my intro video now ;) |
| 04:30.13 | WAR | What's the name for the Icons on the right hand of the screen that shows hints/information called? |
| 04:30.15 | AsaPhelps | local variable |
| 04:30.21 | P_R_Deltoid | Bad |
| 04:30.22 | P_R_Deltoid | bad |
| 04:30.24 | P_R_Deltoid | Bad idea |
| 04:30.35 | Nash | local :/ |
| 04:30.38 | P_R_Deltoid | use shield health the global ALWAYS |
| 04:30.44 | P_R_Deltoid | you want everyone to know what it is |
| 04:30.55 | Phaos | WAR they are called tips |
| 04:31.02 | WAR | Thank you |
| 04:31.03 | Nash | local variable = reset every time you run the trigger |
| 04:31.07 | P_R_Deltoid | don't reward spammers :< |
| 04:31.08 | AsaPhelps | http://pastebin.com/5FatP7VT |
| 04:31.18 | AsaPhelps | global fine :( |
| 04:31.19 | P_R_Deltoid | wrong |
| 04:31.21 | P_R_Deltoid | yes |
| 04:31.24 | P_R_Deltoid | has to be global, we said that |
| 04:31.26 | P_R_Deltoid | quite clearly |
| 04:31.30 | P_R_Deltoid | do you understand variable scope? |
| 04:31.48 | Trager | brb |
| 04:32.03 | Unrea1 | Vailreth |
| 04:32.11 | P_R_Deltoid | Unrea1, said he went to bed |
| 04:32.20 | Unrea1 | Damn I just got back |
| 04:32.27 | Nash | Helps to be a software engineering student D_D |
| 04:32.35 | P_R_Deltoid | Vailreth> well goodnight all im gout |
| 04:32.35 | Unrea1 | The whole unselectable thing isnt working |
| 04:32.39 | Unrea1 | The way he planned |
| 04:33.07 | AsaPhelps | hmmm |
| 04:33.13 | AsaPhelps | apparently I did something wrong |
| 04:33.18 | Dashkal | gout? Should get that checked. |
| 04:33.21 | AsaPhelps | because it goes 2500, then to 19 |
| 04:33.37 | Darkarbiter__ | Who here is on sea? |
| 04:33.47 | Cryosis | I don't understand how the AI works |
| 04:33.55 | Cryosis | I've tried scout and global suicide |
| 04:34.20 | Xaax | Anyone? |
| 04:34.23 | Cryosis | but the units don't kill anything unless it wanders into their sight radius |
| 04:34.28 | P_R_Deltoid | Well |
| 04:34.36 | P_R_Deltoid | that is quite odd.... |
| 04:34.46 | AsaPhelps | its outside the loop so I dont get it |
| 04:35.06 | P_R_Deltoid | It's odd that you get 19 at all, I don't even see that becoming a possibility with the divided by 2 thing |
| 04:35.11 | P_R_Deltoid | you could try multiplying by .5 |
| 04:35.13 | P_R_Deltoid | err |
| 04:35.14 | P_R_Deltoid | yeah |
| 04:35.15 | P_R_Deltoid | .5 |
| 04:35.25 | P_R_Deltoid | multplicative inverse whatevers |
| 04:36.08 | P_R_Deltoid | sounds like a crysis with something else editing shield health or something |
| 04:36.51 | AsaPhelps | still 19 |
| 04:37.15 | AsaPhelps | 5000 initial, 2500, 19, 0 |
| 04:37.16 | AsaPhelps | lol |
| 04:38.03 | Nash | it's running multiple times |
| 04:38.27 | P_R_Deltoid | well |
| 04:38.28 | P_R_Deltoid | that |
| 04:38.29 | P_R_Deltoid | and |
| 04:38.30 | AsaPhelps | 2500 to 19 would mean it'd divide by 2 like 6 times |
| 04:38.33 | P_R_Deltoid | how is it even becoming 0! |
| 04:38.43 | P_R_Deltoid | You using a debug message at all, AsaPhelps ? |
| 04:38.50 | AsaPhelps | nope |
| 04:38.54 | *** join/#sc2mapster TheLaughingMan (~TheLaughi@99-71-64-200.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net) |
| 04:38.54 | P_R_Deltoid | 19 isn't even, I don't think you can even get that result |
| 04:38.55 | P_R_Deltoid | also |
| 04:38.57 | P_R_Deltoid | you should start |
| 04:39.11 | P_R_Deltoid | just place random Debug Message(Convert Int to Text(Shield Health)) |
| 04:39.31 | AsaPhelps | hmm |
| 04:39.47 | Nash | you can |
| 04:39.55 | AsaPhelps | I don't like triggers:( |
| 04:40.28 | AsaPhelps | well I dont understand why the first time works |
| 04:40.28 | Nash | 2500/2^7 = 19.53125 |
| 04:40.44 | P_R_Deltoid | aw |
| 04:40.45 | P_R_Deltoid | thanks |
| 04:40.49 | P_R_Deltoid | wait |
| 04:40.50 | AsaPhelps | I don't see how it can run 7 times though |
| 04:41.12 | Nash | and if you divide that by 2^7 you get almost 0 |
| 04:41.22 | P_R_Deltoid | wait |
| 04:41.23 | P_R_Deltoid | are you saying |
| 04:41.24 | Nash | with rounding, 0 |
| 04:41.25 | P_R_Deltoid | 7 yimred |
| 04:41.26 | P_R_Deltoid | times |
| 04:41.27 | P_R_Deltoid | or... |
| 04:41.32 | P_R_Deltoid | math overlord |
| 04:41.34 | P_R_Deltoid | err |
| 04:41.35 | P_R_Deltoid | overload |
| 04:41.37 | P_R_Deltoid | gfuck |
| 04:41.55 | Nash | 2500 divided by 2, 7 times |
| 04:41.57 | AsaPhelps | yeah I assumed the 0 was from that |
| 04:42.03 | AsaPhelps | its probably like .124214 |
| 04:42.43 | Nash | trigger runs 7 times instead of 1 |
| 04:42.44 | Nash | D_D |
| 04:43.11 | P_R_Deltoid | wow |
| 04:43.14 | P_R_Deltoid | I never knew |
| 04:43.20 | P_R_Deltoid | that ... |
| 04:43.27 | AsaPhelps | http://pastebin.com/ExxVBXxv |
| 04:43.29 | P_R_Deltoid | 2^n is how many time sit is divided |
| 04:43.31 | P_R_Deltoid | that is pretty neat |
| 04:43.42 | P_R_Deltoid | Well |
| 04:43.47 | AsaPhelps | 7 is so random |
| 04:43.58 | P_R_Deltoid | nothings random! |
| 04:44.12 | *** join/#sc2mapster Paparoch (44668787@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.102.135.135) |
| 04:44.31 | AsaPhelps | what about whether or not I punch the next guy who joins in the face |
| 04:45.08 | Paparoch | glad i joined beore then |
| 04:45.23 | AsaPhelps | punches Paparoch in the face |
| 04:45.24 | Nash | add more conditions |
| 04:45.29 | AsaPhelps | doesn't mean I still can't hit you |
| 04:45.31 | Paparoch | fail |
| 04:45.34 | P_R_Deltoid | that isn't random |
| 04:45.36 | P_R_Deltoid | at all |
| 04:45.49 | AsaPhelps | ~random |
| 04:45.55 | P_R_Deltoid | chaos is order unknown |
| 04:46.00 | P_R_Deltoid | weeeewwooooo |
| 04:46.09 | P_R_Deltoid | ~random |
| 04:46.10 | P_R_Deltoid | my turn! |
| 04:46.24 | P_R_Deltoid | ~seen xfree86 |
| 04:46.26 | purl | P_R_Deltoid: i haven't seen 'xfree86' |
| 04:46.26 | AsaPhelps | what conditions should I use |
| 04:46.29 | P_R_Deltoid | what the fuck |
| 04:46.31 | P_R_Deltoid | fucking LIAR |
| 04:46.35 | AsaPhelps | ~seen cookies |
| 04:46.36 | purl | cookies <n=551fbbb7@bz.bzflag.bz> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 834d 11h 7m 2s ago, saying: 'hi all'. |
| 04:46.37 | slightlyrandom | ~xfree86 |
| 04:46.38 | purl | hmm... xfree86 is at http://www.xfree86.org |
| 04:46.41 | P_R_Deltoid | you really should use some debugs |
| 04:46.47 | P_R_Deltoid | figure out what is running |
| 04:46.48 | Nash | this should only happen when bottomdead = true, yes? |
| 04:46.48 | P_R_Deltoid | and why |
| 04:46.55 | AsaPhelps | yes |
| 04:46.57 | Unrea1 | ~random |
| 04:47.01 | Nash | so add it as a condition |
| 04:48.15 | Xaax | Anyone know of a simple way to make a transmission with that displays a text message rather than playing a sound file? |
| 04:48.30 | Xaax | Er...minus the "with". |
| 04:48.35 | Paparoch | a size 4 array has 5 slots right |
| 04:48.46 | AsaPhelps | yes |
| 04:48.55 | Nash | no... |
| 04:49.02 | devilesk-571 | wait so |
| 04:49.10 | jorgenpt | Has anyone figured out how to use Add Player to Leaderboard? |
| 04:49.22 | devilesk-571 | the arrays are |
| 04:49.23 | devilesk-571 | 0 based |
| 04:49.33 | devilesk-571 | but when you specify size you're really specifying the last index? |
| 04:49.33 | Cornelius | is there an action to puase/unpause the game? |
| 04:49.59 | Nash | Arrays are in pretty much every imperative programming language indexed 0 ... n-1 for size n |
| 04:50.08 | devilesk-571 | yes |
| 04:50.10 | devilesk-571 | but apparently |
| 04:50.15 | devilesk-571 | sc arrays go from 0 to n |
| 04:50.16 | AsaPhelps | ooh |
| 04:50.22 | AsaPhelps | I think thta might've fixed it nash |
| 04:50.25 | AsaPhelps | 2500 1250 |
| 04:50.30 | AsaPhelps | cross your fingers for 625 |
| 04:50.44 | AsaPhelps | 625 |
| 04:50.45 | AsaPhelps | thank you sir |
| 04:50.46 | Paparoch | from what i know of c programming you make and int array[5] and you have 0,1,2,3,4 is that how it works here? |
| 04:50.51 | Nash | devilesk-571: says who? |
| 04:51.00 | devilesk-571 | says asa |
| 04:51.07 | Nash | Xaax: add a dummy sound to transmission |
| 04:51.07 | devilesk-571 | [00:48] <Paparoch> a size 4 array has 5 slots right |
| 04:51.07 | devilesk-571 | [00:48] <AsaPhelps> yes |
| 04:51.15 | AsaPhelps | am I wrong |
| 04:51.16 | Nash | use UI text message |
| 04:51.27 | Nash | Probably, you are. |
| 04:51.35 | AsaPhelps | i thought you meant array[4] |
| 04:51.36 | Trager | How do I make a lose condition that fires when a variable=0? |
| 04:51.43 | Nash | Based on everything I know of programming D_D |
| 04:51.44 | AsaPhelps | is 0 1 2 3 4 |
| 04:51.47 | devilesk-571 | whats weird is |
| 04:51.49 | devilesk-571 | in the editor |
| 04:51.50 | jorgenpt | array[4] is 0 1 2 3. |
| 04:51.53 | devilesk-571 | for a size 4 |
| 04:51.58 | Trager | I cant find the action for make player lose or whatever it is |
| 04:52.03 | devilesk-571 | the field lets you go up to 4 |
| 04:52.04 | jorgenpt | (If you mean initializing) |
| 04:52.06 | devilesk-571 | even though it's wrong |
| 04:52.07 | AsaPhelps | my head just asploded |
| 04:52.10 | jorgenpt | If you mean accessing, then it's the fifth index. |
| 04:52.11 | Nash | Trager: end game |
| 04:52.15 | Trager | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:52.21 | Paparoch | wow. so in the editor array[4] is 0,1,2,3,4 ? |
| 04:52.26 | Paparoch | fail |
| 04:52.26 | Xaax | Basically I just want to make it so that the player sees a portrait as though it is talking and sees text at the same time since I don't have any software to create and edit a sound file that would sound good. |
| 04:52.29 | devilesk-571 | i don't think so papa |
| 04:52.34 | jorgenpt | Paparoch: I doubt that. :-) |
| 04:52.42 | Paparoch | lol ok so its just like C then kk |
| 04:52.50 | jorgenpt | Are there leaderboards in any blizzard maps? |
| 04:52.50 | Nash | Xaax: use some random sound file |
| 04:52.54 | Nash | I use, um... |
| 04:53.21 | Nash | UI_TransmissionStart |
| 04:53.28 | devilesk-571 | its just weird that the ticker field for the value |
| 04:53.32 | devilesk-571 | the up arrow |
| 04:53.36 | devilesk-571 | stops it at the size |
| 04:53.49 | Xaax | Okay, I will try that. |
| 04:53.53 | Xaax | Thank you. |
| 04:53.56 | devilesk-571 | rather than the actual max index |
| 04:54.11 | Trager | there's nothing in events for variables |
| 04:54.31 | Zanam | for sending transmissions, how would one debug a popup transmission window of nothing but snow instead of the unit's portrait that's supposed to be sending the message? |
| 04:54.36 | Nash | set variable D_D |
| 04:54.39 | Trager | what happens if a trigger doesn't have an event, just conditions? |
| 04:54.42 | devilesk-571 | it won't let you put a value bigger than the size in the index |
| 04:54.50 | Nash | oh wait, events, not actions |
| 04:54.52 | devilesk-571 | but why does it include the size |
| 04:54.55 | devilesk-571 | rather than size - 1 |
| 04:55.16 | Trager | any know? |
| 04:55.21 | jorgenpt | Trager: Not much. :-) |
| 04:55.33 | Trager | damn |
| 04:55.34 | Sixen | does anyone still have the beta installed? |
| 04:55.35 | jorgenpt | Trager: It doesn't execute unless you explicitly execute it from another trigger. |
| 04:55.39 | Nash | something happens to set that variable to 0 |
| 04:55.55 | Sixen | if you do, PM me. I'll be back in a bit. |
| 04:55.58 | Unrea1 | Un installed day of :| |
| 04:56.01 | Sixen | me too :P |
| 04:56.05 | Sixen | I need something from it though =\ |
| 04:56.07 | Nash | use whatever that is as event |
| 04:56.14 | Trager | so I could get around it by making the trigger recursive, right? |
| 04:56.23 | jorgenpt | Trager: Hm? |
| 04:56.33 | devilesk-571 | lol |
| 04:56.36 | Trager | TriggerX is triggered by TriggerX |
| 04:56.38 | devilesk-571 | i have an array |
| 04:56.38 | jorgenpt | Get around what? |
| 04:56.40 | devilesk-571 | of size 9 |
| 04:56.45 | Nash | that's horrible |
| 04:56.45 | devilesk-571 | and it lets me do array[9] |
| 04:56.48 | Trager | I'd just have to make it fire from map init and i'd be set |
| 04:56.58 | Trager | get around there not being an event |
| 04:56.59 | jorgenpt | Trager: You want to run it all the time? |
| 04:57.02 | Trager | indeed |
| 04:57.04 | Nash | probably fucks your game up |
| 04:57.04 | Xaax | Actually, would this work?: Transmission - Send transmission to (Active Players) from ((Unit 1 from Azrael) with Flash (Do Not override portrait) playing Talk) playing No Sound Link with name Default Speaker and message "I hope I'm not too late for the ral..." using (Cinematic portrait at Center Left) playing Talk (Add 0.0 seconds, Don't Wait until it finishes) |
| 04:57.08 | devilesk-571 | i have an array of size 9 and it's going from 0 to 9 |
| 04:57.12 | jorgenpt | Trager: Use Time - Gmaetime has elapsed |
| 04:57.19 | jorgenpt | Trager: Make it run every 0.1 seconds or something. |
| 04:57.31 | Trager | thanks |
| 04:57.32 | Nash | I used simple transmission |
| 04:57.39 | Trager | lets hope the players have good processors |
| 04:57.54 | Xaax | Kk. |
| 04:58.02 | Nash | dunno what's better |
| 04:58.09 | Nash | Just know what I know |
| 04:58.27 | Nash | not elapsed |
| 04:58.31 | Nash | elapsed |
| 04:58.41 | Trager | wait, what makes it keep firing |
| 04:58.41 | Nash | fires when certain time has passed |
| 04:58.44 | Nash | and only once |
| 04:58.57 | Nash | Timer - Periodic Event kthx |
| 04:58.58 | Trager | wouldn't it only fire at .01 seconds of game time? |
| 04:59.02 | Trager | I see |
| 04:59.08 | jorgenpt | Yeah, what Nash said. |
| 04:59.09 | jorgenpt | Sorry. :) |
| 04:59.10 | Trager | idiot question |
| 04:59.20 | Trager | I'm already using like 5 periodic timers |
| 04:59.26 | Trager | dunno why I didnt realize that |
| 05:00.40 | Nash | I've got one periodic to get Roaches to chase people around the map |
| 05:01.14 | Nash | periodic should be avoided though :G |
| 05:01.49 | Nash | POLLING IS BAD CODING |
| 05:02.06 | Trager | I need it for unit spawns |
| 05:03.54 | Atlos | I'd assume that using periodic events would be more efficient in some cases |
| 05:04.04 | Atlos | like if you use an any unit dies event |
| 05:04.10 | Atlos | and there's hundreds of units dieing at a time |
| 05:04.19 | Atlos | wouldn't that cause more lag |
| 05:04.37 | Trager | I was about to ask the dumbest question of all time |
| 05:04.41 | Atlos | than if you could achieve the same thing with a .1 second periodic timer |
| 05:04.50 | Cryosis | Trager: What is starcraft again? |
| 05:04.53 | Trager | 'why cant I find variables under fuctions? lololololol' |
| 05:04.58 | Atlos | lolz |
| 05:05.07 | Trager | Wait, this is starcraft? |
| 05:05.08 | Trager | fuck |
| 05:05.26 | Trager | I thought this was a helpgroup for udk |
| 05:05.34 | Trager | no wonder I've been having such a hard time |
| 05:05.37 | Cryosis | hahahaha udk... *Shudder* |
| 05:05.51 | Cryosis | no more udk |
| 05:06.00 | Cryosis | never more |
| 05:06.17 | jorgenpt | Nash: Though you need polling to register when a player leaves :( |
| 05:06.18 | jorgenpt | Silly bugs. |
| 05:06.49 | jorgenpt | What's UDK? |
| 05:07.03 | Cryosis | Unreal Development Kit |
| 05:07.27 | jorgenpt | Ah |
| 05:07.29 | Trager | I hate udk so very very much |
| 05:07.33 | Paparoch | if you set the value of an array when your defining it, will all of the slots within be that value? |
| 05:07.35 | Cryosis | wonders if he should let the mod team know that I left... |
| 05:07.42 | Trager | don't understand how any major developers can use it |
| 05:07.53 | jorgenpt | Paparoch: Yeah |
| 05:08.03 | Cryosis | UDK is awful |
| 05:08.13 | Cryosis | clunky |
| 05:08.16 | jorgenpt | Paparoch: For some reason they won't let you specify initial values. You have to do that in a trigger. |
| 05:08.28 | Paparoch | thanks |
| 05:08.29 | Cryosis | UDK gives me the urge to kill... |
| 05:08.31 | Trager | Source ftw |
| 05:09.02 | Tinman | Rendering video is slow, even with OpenGL :( |
| 05:09.35 | Atlos | question: will coffee icecream keep me awake |
| 05:09.41 | Atlos | or is it just coffee flavoring in it |
| 05:09.51 | Cryosis | doubtful |
| 05:09.53 | Trager | depending on what kind it is there's caffine |
| 05:09.53 | Tinman | Depends really |
| 05:10.02 | Atlos | fuuuuu |
| 05:10.06 | Atlos | well hopefully this doesnt |
| 05:10.07 | Trager | if it's good icecream it'll be made with real coffee |
| 05:10.20 | Tinman | There is coffee without caffeine also |
| 05:10.27 | Trager | for pussies |
| 05:10.48 | Tinman | What you need is pure caffeine extract ;) |
| 05:10.48 | Trager | coffee without caffeine is like weed without thc |
| 05:10.50 | Cryosis | If it did give you energy |
| 05:10.51 | Trager | what's the point? |
| 05:10.54 | Cryosis | you would crash pretty quick |
| 05:11.13 | Atlos | Is it weird that I hate coffee but love coffee ice cream? |
| 05:11.22 | Tinman | meh |
| 05:11.25 | Trager | has anyone ever had TeaHC? |
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| 05:11.46 | Atlos | nah |
| 05:11.52 | Atlos | tea is nasty too |
| 05:11.56 | Atlos | unless its iced tea |
| 05:11.57 | Trager | it tastes tingly |
| 05:12.02 | KiwiWarrior | ever far eavery ones fav kiwi is here |
| 05:12.12 | Tinman | If you want to stay awake though you should cook up some food, its incredible what the effect is |
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| 05:12.30 | Tinman | A really good wok or something |
| 05:12.48 | Atlos | "ever far eavery ones fav kiwi is here" |
| 05:12.51 | Atlos | was that supposed to say |
| 05:12.58 | Atlos | never fear everyone's fav kiwi is here |
| 05:12.59 | Atlos | lol |
| 05:13.06 | Trager | did I do this right? |
| 05:13.06 | Trager | http://paste.sc2mapster.com/2355/ |
| 05:13.35 | Cryosis | no |
| 05:13.41 | Trager | fuuuu |
| 05:13.45 | Cryosis | and I only say that because i'm too lazy to select the link |
| 05:13.54 | Trager | antirage |
| 05:13.56 | Trager | you suck |
| 05:14.05 | Trager | :P |
| 05:14.14 | Atlos | woot my map is almost done |
| 05:14.19 | Nash | did you do WHAT right? |
| 05:14.27 | Atlos | should be 1st-2nd page potential |
| 05:14.33 | Trager | endgame for playerX if ZoneX==0 |
| 05:14.48 | Trager | sorry, should have tooltipped |
| 05:15.02 | Cryosis | Trager: Also, I lack the technical knowhow with the editor to determine that that is. |
| 05:15.09 | Cryosis | what that* |
| 05:15.22 | Cryosis | What kind of map Atlos |
| 05:15.25 | jorgenpt | Where is the size of the selection circle of a unit defined, and its minimap size? |
| 05:15.31 | Nash | looks fine to me |
| 05:15.40 | Trager | schweet |
| 05:15.45 | Trager | only 5 more things left two do |
| 05:15.51 | Trager | which happen to be the hardest |
| 05:16.05 | Nash | I have content adding left :G |
| 05:16.14 | Atlos | It's just a remake of Helms Deep |
| 05:16.20 | Atlos | so I'm trying to release it ASAP before others do |
| 05:16.24 | Cryosis | from LOTR? |
| 05:16.27 | Atlos | yea |
| 05:16.32 | Cryosis | neato |
| 05:16.34 | Trager | I remember Helms Deep |
| 05:16.35 | Nash | units, doodads, buildings, dialog etc |
| 05:16.43 | Cryosis | I'm just fiddling with some ideas |
| 05:16.46 | Atlos | pretty much just need to create Dark Swarm from SC1 and it will be 95% done |
| 05:16.48 | Cryosis | learning the editor |
| 05:17.06 | Trager | Atlos are you doing it from a reference or memory? |
| 05:17.13 | Nash | remake of a remake of a remake |
| 05:17.25 | Atlos | a bit of both |
| 05:17.29 | Trager | cool |
| 05:17.42 | Atlos | I'm basing it off of the Helms Deep Annatar version |
| 05:17.43 | Atlos | for sc1 |
| 05:17.49 | jorgenpt | Ah, foudn minimap size. |
| 05:17.54 | Atlos | since that was the most popular |
| 05:18.16 | Nash | I would never remake someone else's map :G |
| 05:18.27 | Tinman | Rendering 19 pieces of video at the same time = 1 frame every 7 seconds with OpenGL, total frames are 52000... this is going to take a while xD |
| 05:18.36 | Trager | brb |
| 05:18.41 | Cryosis | I made one major map in SC1 and no one played it |
| 05:18.42 | Atlos | well Helms Deep was one of the most played maps in SC1 history |
| 05:18.47 | Atlos | so I'm just porting it over |
| 05:18.52 | Atlos | since everyone has wanted it |
| 05:19.08 | Nash | defeats the point of creative work |
| 05:19.16 | Atlos | lol people made helms deep clans dedicated to playing that map |
| 05:19.22 | Demo_ | How to change the hieght of a unit? |
| 05:19.29 | Demo_ | As in like how high something is flying |
| 05:19.29 | Atlos | you can still add creativity to an old idea |
| 05:19.51 | Cryosis | What made helms deep special>? |
| 05:20.16 | Tinman | LotR did :P |
| 05:20.21 | Atlos | It was just a fun map to play |
| 05:20.28 | Atlos | lots of strats |
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| 05:20.38 | Demo_ | :( |
| 05:20.48 | Nash | Tolkien, that fascist sympathizer |
| 05:20.52 | P_R_Deltoid | "strats" |
| 05:20.58 | P_R_Deltoid | fun to watch shit run into shit |
| 05:21.01 | P_R_Deltoid | that was why |
| 05:21.31 | Demo_ | Where is the value that I need to change to modify the hieght of a flying unit? |
| 05:21.38 | Demo_ | So it is closer/further from the ground |
| 05:21.44 | Tinman | Then you would love my map, its all about sending shit into shit |
| 05:21.53 | Atlos | P_R_ if you played with good people then there were strats to use |
| 05:22.02 | Nash | Hack/slash ftw |
| 05:22.07 | Demo_ | Nevermind I found it |
| 05:22.56 | Cornelius | hey is anyone here good at loading screen options? |
| 05:23.36 | Cornelius | perhaps RodOfNOD ? |
| 05:24.08 | Trager | I have returned |
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| 05:24.24 | Nash | http://forums.sc2mapster.com/development/map-development/3518-to-all-mappers-please-use-melee-loading-screen/ |
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| 05:25.17 | AsaPhelps | whats melee one |
| 05:25.23 | AsaPhelps | the one where you see how fast each guy loades? |
| 05:25.26 | Trager | default |
| 05:25.34 | Trager | wait |
| 05:25.35 | Trager | is it? |
| 05:25.39 | AsaPhelps | IS IT? |
| 05:25.48 | Nash | apparently |
| 05:25.58 | AsaPhelps | can you add text to a melee load screen though? |
| 05:26.02 | Trager | nope |
| 05:27.00 | Cornelius | Nash if i use the melee loading screen is there any way for it not to show a picture of my actual map? because thats what i was trying to avoid |
| 05:27.00 | Cornelius | my map from top-down looks fugly |
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| 05:28.28 | Nash | change preview image but not loading screen? |
| 05:28.31 | Nash | I dunno |
| 05:28.37 | Nash | I haven't played online |
| 05:28.53 | Trager | I think the main thing is the press any key to load thing |
| 05:29.03 | Trager | wow, good sentence |
| 05:29.26 | Nash | redundancy department of redundancy approves |
| 05:29.47 | Rabbit-Box | Would anyone like to help me test a Map on US Server? |
| 05:29.58 | Rabbit-Box | Terran Team Fortress, for some capture the flag |
| 05:32.11 | Nash | migth go play some Alien Swarm |
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| 05:33.29 | Unrea1 | Time for some sleep :| |
| 05:33.54 | Unrea1|Sleep | Peace |
| 05:34.13 | Trager | Ok, I need a ton of help with this trigger: Every 2 seconds spawn two unitX for playerY at every unitZ |
| 05:34.14 | Trager | later |
| 05:34.18 | Trager | wat do? |
| 05:34.38 | Trager | its mostly the at every unitZ that I'm confused about |
| 05:34.39 | Cryosis | at every unit z? |
| 05:34.46 | Cryosis | is that a location? |
| 05:34.53 | Trager | well, at every unitZ owned by playerY |
| 05:34.56 | Trager | no, it's a unit |
| 05:35.15 | Cryosis | oh the unit type? |
| 05:35.21 | Trager | yes. |
| 05:35.29 | Cryosis | you want to set it to a specific unit? |
| 05:35.47 | Trager | sure do |
| 05:35.51 | Cryosis | ahh |
| 05:35.54 | Cryosis | I did this earlier |
| 05:35.57 | Zanam | i think he means unittypeX for playerY at every pointZ, Z being related to a speciifc unit? |
| 05:36.05 | Trager | a specific unittype |
| 05:36.09 | Trager | there'll be more than one |
| 05:36.29 | Zanam | please tell me X and Z are different, otherwise you'll be multiplying faster than horny rabbits |
| 05:36.39 | Cryosis | you just use the value |
| 05:36.47 | Cryosis | as source |
| 05:36.49 | Trager | X and Z are different |
| 05:37.00 | Cryosis | you use the type "Unit Type" |
| 05:37.11 | Trager | unit type variable? |
| 05:37.26 | Cryosis | Type "Unit Type" Source is Value |
| 05:37.43 | Trager | wat |
| 05:38.05 | Cryosis | what type of action are you using |
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| 05:38.36 | Trager | to create the units? |
| 05:38.39 | Cryosis | yes |
| 05:38.51 | Darkarbiter__ | Hey guys |
| 05:38.58 | Darkarbiter__ | how do you change your name?> |
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| 05:39.06 | Cryosis | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:39.11 | Zanam | i seem to be stumped with a problem of my own. dummy unit for a 'gas cloud' sfx, made the unit, made the model actor for the unit, set the model to ToxicGasCloud, shows up fine in the editor, shows up with the infamous white sphere of doom in-game, along with the gas cloud model |
| 05:39.13 | Trager | I was going to do with with a Create Unit |
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| 05:39.37 | tordecybombo | thor is here! |
| 05:39.37 | Cryosis | There are 4 create units |
| 05:39.41 | Cryosis | Create units facing angle |
| 05:39.45 | Cryosis | create units facing point |
| 05:39.57 | Trager | oh |
| 05:39.59 | Cryosis | create units with default facing... |
| 05:40.02 | Trager | was just gonna use default |
| 05:40.08 | Cryosis | oh |
| 05:40.20 | Cryosis | ok |
| 05:40.24 | Cryosis | so where it says |
| 05:40.26 | Cryosis | create 1 unit |
| 05:40.42 | Cryosis | selecting unit shuold let you just pick the unit type |
| 05:40.56 | Trager | yea, I know that |
| 05:41.12 | Trager | but I want 2 units to be created at every unitX |
| 05:41.23 | Trager | scratch that |
| 05:41.27 | Zanam | trager, explain the non-programming concept of what you're trying to do |
| 05:41.34 | Cryosis | Thank you Zanam |
| 05:41.35 | Zanam | in terms of what it should be in game |
| 05:42.00 | Trager | two marines owned by a player will spawn at every bunker owned by that player |
| 05:42.08 | Cryosis | oh |
| 05:42.19 | Nash | Spawn 2 UnitX for PlayerY at Position of UnitZ |
| 05:42.47 | Nash | position of unit = a point |
| 05:42.51 | Trager | that'd just spawn it at every bunker |
| 05:43.10 | Nash | no |
| 05:43.19 | Nash | that depends how you pick UnitZ |
| 05:43.21 | Zanam | i'd do it as a unit group action inside a player group action |
| 05:43.42 | Trager | ^out of my area of expertise |
| 05:43.54 | Nash | pick each unit in unit group |
| 05:43.57 | Nash | unit Bunker |
| 05:44.16 | Trager | ok |
| 05:44.33 | Zanam | player group - pick every player in (active players), then inside that, a unit group - pick every unit in (Bunkers in entire map owned by (picked player), inside that have your create unit action, at position of picked unit |
| 05:44.36 | Nash | I mean, unit group units in region matching condition, of type bunker |
| 05:44.53 | Zanam | oh no, you could do it in just a unit group |
| 05:45.07 | Nash | then Spawn 2 UnitX for PlayerY at Position of Picked Unit |
| 05:45.18 | Zanam | create unit for player(owner of picked unit) |
| 05:45.41 | Nash | yeah |
| 05:46.08 | Cryosis | wonders why the sound of a murloc is so amusing |
| 05:46.33 | Zanam | anyway... anyone have a clue for my white ball of doom that won't go away? ToxicGasCloud model attached to a unit |
| 05:46.44 | Zanam | not attached, should say actor'd to a unit |
| 05:47.16 | Trager | I'm confused |
| 05:47.18 | Nash | something in the actors :G |
| 05:47.51 | Zanam | nash, the gas cloud model shows up, it's there... just tags along the white ball with it. Usually white ball = actor not creating the model properly |
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| 05:49.33 | Nash | Pick every unit in (Bunker in Entire Map owned by All Players) - Create 2 SomeUnit for Owner of (Picked Unit) at Position of (Picked Unit) |
| 05:49.37 | AsaPhelps | do you think if I name a map lncome wars with an L people will play it? |
| 05:50.36 | Trager | I think you'd be a dick |
| 05:51.05 | Nash | I think someone already created that map |
| 05:51.33 | AsaPhelps | what a jerk |
| 05:51.35 | Nash | IT'S THE INTERNET |
| 05:51.35 | AsaPhelps | was it you? |
| 05:51.44 | Nash | no |
| 05:52.16 | Tinman | lNTERNET U SAYZ? |
| 05:52.20 | Nash | There's probably all sorts of variations of names with leetspeak and such |
| 05:52.45 | AsaPhelps | l|\|[{}|V|3 Warz |
| 05:53.13 | Nash | \/\/4|2Z |
| 05:53.38 | AsaPhelps | can you use non-alpha characters in a title? |
| 05:53.44 | AsaPhelps | in beta I had my map title in colors |
| 05:53.51 | AsaPhelps | literally was the most popular map played because of it |
| 05:53.59 | Nash | $$$ BIG GAME HUNTERS $$$ |
| 05:54.14 | Nash | Countless variations on that in SC1 |
| 05:54.15 | Nash | D_D |
| 05:54.20 | Trager | oh god |
| 05:54.36 | AsaPhelps | so do you think if to test blizzard's map nazi system |
| 05:54.39 | Trager | dsadfioi34095080s TD JOIN FAST |
| 05:54.44 | AsaPhelps | I made a map where you had suicide banelings kill civilians |
| 05:54.49 | AsaPhelps | it'd be banned? |
| 05:54.56 | Nash | no rush 10 min keke |
| 05:55.01 | Nash | manner game ^_^;; |
| 05:55.34 | AsaPhelps | dota -aremwtf mid only bl usa/ca no laggers/lamers/leavers |
| 05:55.39 | Nash | Make a Carmageddon map |
| 05:55.48 | Nash | KILL PEDESTRIANS |
| 05:55.54 | AsaPhelps | YEAHHHH |
| 05:56.29 | AsaPhelps | I should make a map based on current event dilemmas |
| 05:56.37 | AsaPhelps | like should you build a barracks near ground zero |
| 05:56.58 | jorgenpt | ^_^ |
| 05:57.01 | Nash | WTC attack map |
| 05:57.05 | Nash | D_D |
| 05:57.09 | AsaPhelps | fly your phoenix into the tower |
| 05:57.10 | jorgenpt | :( |
| 05:57.17 | Tinman | D-Day |
| 05:57.24 | Nash | D-Day is overdone |
| 05:57.30 | AsaPhelps | what about v-day |
| 05:57.36 | Nash | should do holocaust or something |
| 05:57.47 | Tinman | What about a Double D-Day! |
| 05:57.59 | AsaPhelps | double p day |
| 05:58.00 | jorgenpt | What about Double Rainbow-Day! |
| 05:58.14 | Tinman | With ponies! |
| 05:58.14 | Nash | There's a rainbow doodad |
| 05:58.16 | Nash | GOGOGO |
| 05:58.18 | AsaPhelps | how is that video so popular |
| 05:58.36 | AsaPhelps | if it was triple I'd understand |
| 05:58.41 | Tinman | I know, how do I do it! |
| 05:58.50 | Nash | It's starting to look like a triple rainbow! |
| 05:59.05 | jorgenpt | My leaderboard init code is 80 lines. :o |
| 05:59.06 | Tinman | Quadrobow |
| 05:59.17 | AsaPhelps | does your leaderboard look cool |
| 05:59.19 | AsaPhelps | thats all that matters |
| 05:59.31 | jorgenpt | The code to update the leaderboard is 30 lines. |
| 05:59.38 | jorgenpt | It's stock SC2 leaderboards |
| 05:59.45 | Nash | It's funny because the guy reacts so intensely to FUCKING RAINBOWS |
| 05:59.45 | jorgenpt | But it is pretty smooth |
| 05:59.48 | Tinman | A leaderboard needs nukes |
| 05:59.52 | AsaPhelps | HEY |
| 05:59.59 | AsaPhelps | I love rainbows, no homo |
| 06:00.07 | Tinman | Every map needs nukes |
| 06:00.09 | jorgenpt | no homo? :p |
| 06:00.14 | jorgenpt | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:00.17 | Nash | my map has nukes |
| 06:00.18 | jorgenpt | Wonderful GE code. <3 |
| 06:00.21 | Tinman | Like when it starts it puts a nuke on screen |
| 06:00.23 | Nash | NUKES |
| 06:00.40 | Nash | Shall We Play A Game? |
| 06:00.45 | Tinman | And then Duke Nukem comes and owns |
| 06:00.46 | AsaPhelps | you are playing the game |
| 06:00.50 | AsaPhelps | and you just lost |
| 06:00.54 | Nash | How about Global Thermonuclear War? |
| 06:01.02 | Nash | I am not playing The Game. |
| 06:01.06 | Nash | It's moronic. |
| 06:01.09 | AsaPhelps | The game is playing you |
| 06:01.17 | Tinman | Remake Duke Nukem 3D and you win |
| 06:01.17 | AsaPhelps | ~the game |
| 06:01.22 | AsaPhelps | ~thegame |
| 06:01.26 | AsaPhelps | ~rainbow |
| 06:01.27 | purl | OpenGL visualization plugin for xmms, based on pulsating rainbows. URL: http://horizon.pair.com/linux/ |
| 06:01.30 | AsaPhelps | ~rainbows |
| 06:01.31 | purl | rainbows are the flag of the homosexual |
| 06:01.31 | Trager | Make Duke Nukem Forever in Galaxy |
| 06:01.42 | Tinman | ~game |
| 06:01.42 | purl | somebody said game was full?, or bzflag.org, or bzflag.org, or possibly bzflag.org |
| 06:01.58 | Trager | sweet, I get to remake my massattack triggers for the 4th time! |
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| 06:02.14 | Trager | wait, nvm |
| 06:02.17 | Nash | MORE ITERATIONS |
| 06:02.23 | HeyRevolver | is it possible to call down a droppod to a region without using an ability and having it drop when a timer trips it? |
| 06:02.27 | Trager | I can keep stubbornly not using arrays, found a workaround |
| 06:02.31 | Tinman | ANTI ITERATIONS |
| 06:02.36 | Trager | lol |
| 06:02.47 | Nash | learn2arrays |
| 06:02.49 | AsaPhelps | PRAISE TO SEAFOOD |
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| 06:02.56 | Trager | I know how to now, but when I made the massattacks I didnt |
| 06:03.13 | Nash | copy/paste!!1 |
| 06:03.22 | Trager | and rather than remaking them again, I can solve the problem with an if-then-elsif |
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| 06:04.02 | Rodrigo | :( |
| 06:04.33 | Trager | dont worry, I hate me too |
| 06:04.40 | Nash | Let's put a smile on that face! |
| 06:04.40 | Cryosis | so can you actually straight code triggers rather than using the Events/Conditions/Actions? |
| 06:04.41 | Rodrigo | lol |
| 06:04.41 | Rodrigo | Im so mad |
| 06:04.44 | Darkarbiter | why :( |
| 06:04.51 | Trager | I promise, I'm usually the most efficient coder |
| 06:04.55 | HeyRevolver | Someone has to knowWhy are you mad rodrigo |
| 06:04.59 | HeyRevolver | youre so happy in your videos |
| 06:05.04 | Rodrigo | I want to go to Orlando next week, but I'm only 20 and the hotel said I have to be 21 to do the check in :( |
| 06:05.10 | lotharscm | can anyone tell me how to create percent based armor? I know how to create the behaviors for it but I dont understand how to implement it based on the armor amount |
| 06:05.54 | Rodrigo | Thats bullshit. I am an adult in canada |
| 06:06.00 | HeyRevolver | yeah that is bullshit |
| 06:06.10 | Rodrigo | And now I can't go to US because I'm 20 |
| 06:06.14 | Nash | only 20 though! |
| 06:06.17 | Rodrigo | and the hotel said I have to be 21 to do the check in |
| 06:06.20 | HeyRevolver | some shitty hotels you only have to be 18 |
| 06:06.25 | Rodrigo | :( |
| 06:06.39 | AsaPhelps | you mean 1 armor is 50% reduction |
| 06:06.40 | HeyRevolver | like days inn |
| 06:06.41 | AsaPhelps | etc etc? |
| 06:06.53 | AsaPhelps | etc etc being 2 is 75% 3 is like 84.24% |
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| 06:07.11 | Rodrigo | the worse is that I will be 21 on november |
| 06:07.23 | Rodrigo | but I want to go next week :*( |
| 06:07.44 | Trager | fuck it, I'm remaking the damn massattacks again |
| 06:07.57 | AsaPhelps | where are you from rod? |
| 06:07.59 | lotharscm | asaphelps yeah |
| 06:07.59 | Nash | stop copy/pasting D: |
| 06:08.13 | Rodrigo | I live in Canada, but I'm from Brazil (but I'm italian) |
| 06:08.21 | AsaPhelps | i know you can have behaviors that reduce damage by % but I don't know a good way to make the armor number apply that behavior |
| 06:08.26 | AsaPhelps | maybe a validator? |
| 06:08.33 | AsaPhelps | sounds like a pain in the ass though |
| 06:08.43 | AsaPhelps | that sounds complicated rod |
| 06:08.52 | Trager | arrays start at zero, right? |
| 06:08.52 | lotharscm | armor can be like 1.1 too so... |
| 06:09.01 | lotharscm | you would have to have so many different behaviors |
| 06:09.13 | lotharscm | 1000s |
| 06:09.17 | Nash | :G |
| 06:09.34 | Rodrigo | lol |
| 06:09.35 | AsaPhelps | MILLIONS |
| 06:09.41 | lotharscm | 1000 behaviors for 100 armor |
| 06:09.45 | lotharscm | lol |
| 06:09.46 | Nash | Is there even a Life Armor Change Fraction field? |
| 06:09.49 | AsaPhelps | why 1000 |
| 06:09.52 | Tinman | oh my god, I am so fucked! I just got 14 e-mails from Blizzard all saying that my account has been compromised! |
| 06:09.52 | AsaPhelps | 1 armor, 1 behavior? |
| 06:09.57 | lotharscm | because armor goes to the tenths place |
| 06:10.01 | lotharscm | 1.6 armor |
| 06:10.04 | AsaPhelps | 14? spam enough? |
| 06:10.05 | Rodrigo | Tinman, what have you done |
| 06:10.28 | AsaPhelps | he tried to hack battle.net |
| 06:10.29 | AsaPhelps | what a jerk |
| 06:10.31 | Trager | arrays start at zero? anyone? |
| 06:10.39 | Nash | YAS |
| 06:10.48 | AsaPhelps | they should trager but I think blizzard made arrays retarded for some reason |
| 06:10.57 | Tinman | I dont know, the address is different in every email and they spell Blizzard wrong xD |
| 06:11.03 | Trager | well, do they or don't they? |
| 06:11.05 | Rodrigo | hacking doing what? Boosting maps? |
| 06:11.10 | AsaPhelps | you should reply with your password asap |
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| 06:11.16 | AsaPhelps | and credit card information |
| 06:11.20 | Tinman | I think so |
| 06:11.20 | Trager | and your social security number |
| 06:11.21 | Rodrigo | lol |
| 06:11.28 | Trager | just so they know they have the right person |
| 06:11.38 | Tinman | Also a nude photo would help them fix my account |
| 06:11.55 | Trager | lol |
| 06:11.58 | Rodrigo | what were you trying to do? A software to boost maps? |
| 06:12.02 | AsaPhelps | wait let me find a funny video I got spammed |
| 06:12.41 | Tinman | Rodrigo durrr... You don't get it do you :p |
| 06:12.53 | AsaPhelps | lol espn's homepage says more with les |
| 06:12.58 | AsaPhelps | i immediately thought of lesbians |
| 06:13.08 | Paparoch | 2girls1cup? |
| 06:13.14 | Rodrigo | sorry Tinman, I didn't get it |
| 06:13.22 | Rodrigo | ohhh |
| 06:13.26 | Rodrigo | you mean fake emails? |
| 06:13.32 | Tinman | Its like this: My AION Account that I do not have, that account has been hacked like 80 times |
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| 06:13.51 | Rodrigo | but I said the email was from Blizzard |
| 06:13.54 | Rodrigo | you* |
| 06:14.04 | AsaPhelps | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DYv0RmoWxVU |
| 06:14.09 | Tinman | It does say Blizzard |
| 06:14.11 | AsaPhelps | that video is epic (don't visit the site) |
| 06:14.21 | Trager | Let's play spot the error |
| 06:14.22 | Trager | http://paste.sc2mapster.com/2358/ |
| 06:14.51 | Atlos | I thought it was really easy to merge regions |
| 06:14.55 | Atlos | just select the ones you want to merge |
| 06:14.58 | Atlos | and right click merge |
| 06:15.07 | Atlos | maybe I'm in dreamland but I thought thats how it was done in beta |
| 06:15.10 | Tinman | Its called a mask, they look exactly like Blizzard, but their URL is fake and is like BIizzard.com and so on |
| 06:15.14 | Atlos | I can't even find the merge option now |
| 06:15.30 | Rodrigo | so Tinman, its not FROM Blizzard |
| 06:15.41 | Tinman | that B(capital i)izzard |
| 06:15.50 | Rodrigo | lol |
| 06:16.08 | Rodrigo | BIizzard |
| 06:16.11 | Rodrigo | :P |
| 06:16.25 | Tinman | Sneaky mother fuckers! |
| 06:16.36 | Rodrigo | it looks perfectly in other fonts |
| 06:17.12 | jorgenpt | Trager: Heh, you use X as 0 in the definition of Bunkers |
| 06:17.12 | Tinman | You kinda get it when they spell Blizzard with a small b or World of Warcraft with small w, I doubt the real Blizzard would do that |
| 06:17.13 | Nash | It has 20-20 vision? |
| 06:17.41 | Paparoch | atlos: make a region then go into the properties and right click in the white box and select add rectangle, then modify it from there |
| 06:18.09 | Trager | Jorgenpt but then X is reassigned in the action |
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| 06:18.18 | jorgenpt | Trager: Too late, Bunkers already has its value. |
| 06:18.24 | Trager | god damn |
| 06:18.27 | Trager | how do I fix? |
| 06:18.34 | Rodrigo | blizzard with lower-case b is a heresy |
| 06:18.36 | jorgenpt | Trager: Initial values for variables are initial - they happen at the start of the trigger before your Actions execute. |
| 06:18.41 | Trager | do I have to add an action to edit the variable? |
| 06:18.48 | Zarakk | Greetings ladies and jellyspoons :D |
| 06:18.55 | Trager | hi Zarakk |
| 06:18.59 | jorgenpt | Trager: Set Bunkers to Empty Unit Group in the initial value |
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| 06:19.25 | jorgenpt | Trager: Then set it to Bunker Units in (Entire Map) owned by player X ... inside the For each integer loop. |
| 06:19.33 | Trager | sweet |
| 06:19.34 | Trager | thanks |
| 06:19.42 | Nash | or don't do it for each player D_D |
| 06:19.42 | jorgenpt | Trager: No problem. |
| 06:19.53 | Rodrigo | now I have to be awake until 5 am to talk to the hotel manager and beg her to let me do my check in... grrrrr..... |
| 06:20.07 | Trager | offer her sexual favors and cocaine |
| 06:20.12 | Rodrigo | lol |
| 06:20.39 | Atlos | Pararoch I figured it out if you press numpad 0 it merges them |
| 06:20.53 | Atlos | also, there's no way to destroy revealers in a specific region? |
| 06:20.54 | Rodrigo | If she does not allow me to do my check in just because I have 20 years and 9 months, I will be really upset |
| 06:21.12 | Atlos | I just spent all that time making a region for the area I don't want players to see >_< |
| 06:21.32 | Trager | where's the action to edit a variable? |
| 06:21.38 | Nash | SET VARIABLE |
| 06:21.45 | Trager | lol |
| 06:21.54 | Trager | remember how I almost asked that really dumb question before? |
| 06:21.58 | Trager | it slipped out |
| 06:22.09 | Atlos | lol |
| 06:22.27 | RedWraith | Did Blizzard ever explain the rules of the contest in-depth? |
| 06:22.36 | Nash | You make things overly complicated :G |
| 06:22.52 | Demo_ | Yay for work arounds! |
| 06:23.06 | Demo_ | The event for "unit is clicked" |
| 06:23.08 | Demo_ | doesn't work |
| 06:23.14 | Demo_ | but "Unit is selected" does |
| 06:23.21 | Rodrigo | no RedWraith |
| 06:23.32 | Rodrigo | but it seens they want maps that no one never heard about |
| 06:23.37 | Demo_ | so Unit is Selected, Clear Triggering Players Unit Selection, = win |
| 06:23.42 | RedWraith | Rodrigo, I'm not so sure. |
| 06:23.53 | Rodrigo | Look at the last Sixen post |
| 06:23.54 | Demo_ | btw red I hate you |
| 06:23.57 | Rodrigo | I'm also not sure |
| 06:24.02 | RedWraith | Why, Demo? |
| 06:24.09 | Demo_ | You haven't been around :( |
| 06:24.11 | Rodrigo | I just think it's supid |
| 06:24.14 | Rodrigo | stupid |
| 06:24.16 | RedWraith | I've been busy with lab work |
| 06:24.16 | RedWraith | :( |
| 06:24.29 | Nash | fuck the contest :/ |
| 06:24.34 | Demo_ | I finally figured it all out, so I don't need you now, but my map should be quite the beaut when done :) |
| 06:24.38 | Motive | Rodrigo |
| 06:24.39 | Rodrigo | IF blizzard does not allow maps that some people know about, the contest will have only crappy maps |
| 06:24.44 | Demo_ | <-- is super srs about the contest. |
| 06:24.47 | Nash | I don't make maps to win stuff |
| 06:24.48 | Motive | I have some questions for you :D |
| 06:24.52 | RedWraith | Rodrigo, I bet if I release Sentry Scramble 2 and SotIS enters, we'll both win. :O |
| 06:24.56 | Nash | I make maps because it's fun |
| 06:25.04 | Demo_ | 5k is 5k and I get my map finished anyways. |
| 06:25.28 | Demo_ | Even if I lose |
| 06:25.30 | Rodrigo | RedWraith, so submit Sotis |
| 06:25.30 | Demo_ | which is possible |
| 06:25.42 | RedWraith | I think I might finish Sentry Scramble and release it as a sequel |
| 06:25.44 | RedWraith | since it's so different |
| 06:25.49 | RedWraith | from the version that existed in beta |
| 06:25.50 | RedWraith | :O |
| 06:25.54 | Nash | Yeah well, I won't make some map just to appeal to contest judges |
| 06:25.58 | Rodrigo | Motive, what's your question |
| 06:26.04 | Motive | See PM :) |
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| 06:26.45 | Demo_ | You know how everyone is qqing about blizz taking their map and using it or modifying it and blah blah blah |
| 06:26.48 | onetwo | LordAbyss you there |
| 06:26.49 | Rodrigo | contest judge: "Wow! This map is awesome. Check on google. Oh no! This map was posted on facebook! Delete it! Let's use this map called "Use map settings" because it wasn't posted anywhere" |
| 06:27.13 | RedWraith | lol Rodrigo |
| 06:27.14 | Demo_ | Just make your map so complex in the triggers that they won't want to do anything with it. |
| 06:27.14 | Tinman | You still confused onetwo? |
| 06:27.18 | Trager | lol |
| 06:27.25 | Demo_ | I know I am :) |
| 06:27.33 | Atlos | I think Blizzard is just looking for the most flashy map tbh |
| 06:27.35 | Atlos | for the contest |
| 06:27.39 | Atlos | something to wow people |
| 06:27.40 | Demo_ | It's for blizzcon |
| 06:27.43 | Atlos | yea |
| 06:27.51 | Rodrigo | something like Debates? |
| 06:27.52 | Atlos | so throw in a lot of effects |
| 06:27.54 | Atlos | and you win |
| 06:27.55 | Atlos | no |
| 06:27.56 | Nash | make it flashy and PvP |
| 06:27.56 | Rodrigo | I know, Debates has no chances |
| 06:27.57 | Atlos | sorry lol |
| 06:28.01 | Demo_ | Whoever makes the flashiest coolest best idea wins |
| 06:28.13 | Rodrigo | I dont think so |
| 06:28.15 | Atlos | they don't give a damn if it's balanced or w/e lol |
| 06:28.15 | Demo_ | so I win |
| 06:28.29 | Rodrigo | if the best map on the contest is Nexus Wars, I don't think it will win |
| 06:28.32 | Atlos | so spend that 1 month on flashiness if you plan on entering |
| 06:28.35 | Demo_ | I wonder how many other people are as serious as me though |
| 06:28.36 | Rodrigo | because its popular |
| 06:28.39 | Atlos | it has to be a map not submitted |
| 06:28.39 | Motive | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:28.39 | Nash | I doubt they would give my PvE hack & slash any price |
| 06:28.41 | Motive | Nexus Wars |
| 06:28.47 | Motive | Income Wars |
| 06:28.55 | Demo_ | Tug of WARS |
| 06:28.58 | Atlos | so people making RPG's might as well stop as well |
| 06:29.01 | Rodrigo | they have no chances |
| 06:29.04 | Atlos | it's gotta be a quick flashy game |
| 06:29.05 | Rodrigo | because they are popular |
| 06:29.24 | Demo_ | LIKE BLOOD PRESSURE MARATHON? |
| 06:29.31 | Atlos | precisely |
| 06:29.31 | Nash | I did make a unit micro PvP map for SC1 |
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| 06:29.49 | Nash | not flashy though |
| 06:29.55 | Demo_ | My maps 4 megs right now, and I haven't added any models or anything else :/ |
| 06:30.05 | Nash | D_D |
| 06:30.19 | Demo_ | It's all triggers |
| 06:30.19 | Nash | 1.3 MB |
| 06:30.21 | Demo_ | and it's sad |
| 06:30.23 | Atlos | I've got so many duplicate things from copying things wrong in my map that's probably inflating the size |
| 06:30.44 | Demo_ | lol |
| 06:30.45 | Demo_ | foliage |
| 06:30.50 | Demo_ | = the worst thing to put on your map |
| 06:30.55 | Nash | foliage is neat |
| 06:31.07 | Demo_ | go make a blank map |
| 06:31.11 | Demo_ | fill it with foliage |
| 06:31.15 | Demo_ | try to load it on bnet |
| 06:31.15 | jorgenpt | Good night guys. :) |
| 06:31.21 | Demo_ | takes FOREVER |
| 06:31.30 | Nash | I don't play on B.net :G |
| 06:31.33 | Demo_ | but anyways, tv nap, back to work |
| 06:31.45 | jorgenpt | Demo_: Compressed or uncompressed 4mb? |
| 06:31.53 | Demo_ | Let me check |
| 06:32.05 | Trager | wooo spawns are working! |
| 06:32.13 | Trager | now I just have to do mass attack! |
| 06:32.14 | Trager | again! |
| 06:32.25 | Nash | hack & slash with monotonous terrain is BORING |
| 06:32.33 | Demo_ | uncompressed me thinks? |
| 06:32.58 | Demo_ | upon publishing it says 3.92mb/10.5 |
| 06:33.24 | Demo_ | anyways back to what I said I was going to do |
| 06:33.32 | Nash | I have shitloads of doodads |
| 06:33.32 | jorgenpt | Demo_: Any terrain? |
| 06:33.46 | jorgenpt | Demo_: Check Modules > Overview Manager, you can see what takes space. |
| 06:33.55 | jorgenpt | Demo_: And what compressed / uncompressed size is. |
| 06:34.18 | jorgenpt | I somehow doubt you have 4MB of triggers. :-) |
| 06:34.35 | Demo_ | Triggers size is 24mb uncompressed 3mb compressed ish |
| 06:34.38 | jorgenpt | Well, maybe, but that's a /lot/. |
| 06:35.03 | slightlyrandom | You either have the most complicated map known to man, or need to loop some of those actions |
| 06:35.11 | Paparoch | what action makes it so you cant zoom anymore |
| 06:35.15 | Demo_ | I need to loop but I'm not going to |
| 06:35.26 | Demo_ | I'm going to make blizzard hate me |
| 06:35.38 | Demo_ | when I send my map to them |
| 06:35.49 | jorgenpt | Demo_: No more than 10MB for competition. |
| 06:35.58 | Demo_ | I know :) |
| 06:36.13 | Demo_ | All of the triggering is pretty much done, I just have to balance the units |
| 06:36.22 | Demo_ | and make it pretty |
| 06:36.29 | jorgenpt | I strive for elegance in code as well as in gameplay, so I don't think I could deal with having that much trigger code. ;-) |
| 06:36.46 | jorgenpt | Anyway, good night! |
| 06:36.46 | Trager | all of my copypasted triggers are still under 1mb |
| 06:36.58 | Demo_ | There is something I would like to um... make run smoother.. it does lock the game up for several seconds |
| 06:36.58 | Trager | night |
| 06:37.21 | Paparoch | is 10mb the max for publishing to sc2 or the max for the competition or both |
| 06:37.32 | slightlyrandom | both |
| 06:37.40 | Rodrigo | wow. I got 12 subscribers today :P |
| 06:37.49 | jorgenpt | Rodrigo: Where? |
| 06:37.57 | Rodrigo | in my Debates channel |
| 06:38.02 | Rodrigo | http://www.youtube.com/scDebates |
| 06:38.09 | Paparoch | and if you want more you have do like those stargate maps and make a portal to another map you have published? |
| 06:38.16 | Demo_ | http://pastebin.com/LSprByea |
| 06:38.32 | Demo_ | Where in that, can I clear the unit group? |
| 06:38.37 | slightlyrandom | That or stick some of it in a dependency |
| 06:39.00 | Paparoch | what do you mean stick some of it in a dependency? |
| 06:39.13 | slightlyrandom | I mean stick some of it in a mod and make it a dependency |
| 06:39.31 | Paparoch | do they dl the dependency when they download the map? |
| 06:39.50 | slightlyrandom | no, they just quit with an error and demand you reboot |
| 06:40.14 | Paparoch | lawl, so that method oonly works for you playing your own games? O.o |
| 06:40.23 | slightlyrandom | </sarcasm> |
| 06:40.45 | Paparoch | never know mabye someone wants to make a 1 player game for themselves to play only rofl |
| 06:41.20 | Trager | can I make an action that sets a variable to the triggering player's number? |
| 06:41.53 | slightlyrandom | yes |
| 06:41.55 | jorgenpt | Trager: Set Variable, pick the variable, Triggering Player? |
| 06:42.00 | slightlyrandom | Set var Int == Triggering Player |
| 06:42.00 | jorgenpt | Argh I'm supposed to go to bed. |
| 06:42.25 | Trager | what if instead of the player directly, it's the owner of the triggering unit? |
| 06:42.44 | Trager | got it |
| 06:42.48 | slightlyrandom | Guess what the action for getting the number of the triggering units owner is ? |
| 06:42.53 | Trager | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:42.57 | Trager | right? |
| 06:43.07 | slightlyrandom | nono |
| 06:43.19 | Paparoch | anyone know how to lock zooming with the mouse wheel but keeping everything else? |
| 06:43.24 | slightlyrandom | Variable Set X == X of Mouse Position of (Triggering Player) |
| 06:43.36 | Trager | humorous |
| 06:44.02 | slightlyrandom | I crack myself up |
| 06:44.23 | Trager | brb |
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| 06:46.08 | Demo_ | I gots it, I win a pie. |
| 06:47.21 | *** join/#sc2mapster Corbo (~thecorbo@190.87.84.133) |
| 06:47.24 | Corbo | YES |
| 06:47.27 | Rodrigo | 93% of people who watches Debates videos are Male |
| 06:47.30 | Corbo | I'VE DONE IT |
| 06:47.31 | Paparoch | when does the competition end |
| 06:47.56 | Nash | when someone wins |
| 06:48.39 | Darkarbiter | does that suprise you rodrigo? |
| 06:48.44 | Darkarbiter | it's probably higher than that that play debates |
| 06:48.49 | Darkarbiter | it's just random females coming to watch the video |
| 06:49.04 | Rodrigo | lol |
| 06:49.14 | Nash | how does it know you're male? |
| 06:49.31 | slightlyrandom | Youtube knows |
| 06:49.33 | Rodrigo | when you registrer your youtube acc |
| 06:49.36 | slightlyrandom | Google knows everything |
| 06:49.42 | Rodrigo | you set "male" or "female" |
| 06:49.54 | slightlyrandom | Anyway, it's a sham, everyone knows everyone on the internet is male |
| 06:49.56 | Corbo | I'm set as female |
| 06:50.03 | Rodrigo | lol |
| 06:50.09 | Corbo | why u lol? |
| 06:50.10 | Rodrigo | they should show insights of religion to |
| 06:50.25 | Rodrigo | 60% of Debates viewers are atheists |
| 06:50.36 | Corbo | I'm also christian |
| 06:50.44 | Corbo | so female and christian |
| 06:50.49 | Rodrigo | youtube should ask this lol |
| 06:50.54 | Rodrigo | and people colors |
| 06:50.56 | Corbo | I DO NOT TAKE PART IN THE MAJORITY IN DEBATES |
| 06:51.06 | Corbo | lol |
| 06:51.07 | Corbo | like |
| 06:51.10 | Rodrigo | 20% of the viewers is black. 60% white |
| 06:51.24 | Corbo | lol |
| 06:51.29 | Corbo | racist |
| 06:51.34 | Rodrigo | they should also ask sexual option |
| 06:51.41 | Corbo | GAY |
| 06:51.43 | Rodrigo | 70% of Debates viewers is gay |
| 06:51.43 | Corbo | BI |
| 06:51.46 | Rodrigo | lol |
| 06:51.46 | Corbo | TRI |
| 06:51.52 | Rodrigo | 5% bi |
| 06:51.54 | Nash | asexual? |
| 06:51.58 | Rodrigo | and marital status |
| 06:52.03 | Corbo | what would a tri be? |
| 06:52.10 | Rodrigo | 99% of Debates vewers is "Single" |
| 06:52.17 | Corbo | so basically you want facebook incorporated into youtube? |
| 06:52.25 | Rodrigo | lol |
| 06:52.27 | slightlyrandom | Google Buzz |
| 06:52.29 | slightlyrandom | It exists |
| 06:52.34 | Corbo | it also sucks |
| 06:52.37 | Corbo | brb |
| 06:52.39 | Corbo | testing |
| 06:52.39 | Rodrigo | I bet 90% of the Debates players are single |
| 06:52.41 | slightlyrandom | So does facebook |
| 06:53.08 | Rodrigo | lol |
| 06:53.50 | Rodrigo | they should also ask which drugs the user consumes |
| 06:53.51 | Trager | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:53.52 | Trager | ? |
| 06:54.05 | Rodrigo | 75% of Debates viewers consumes Cannabis |
| 06:54.29 | Nash | that's terribly illegal |
| 06:54.37 | Rodrigo | :P |
| 06:54.56 | Rodrigo | I should remove the top ranking of Debates |
| 06:55.01 | Rodrigo | and add a Rage Quit Ranking |
| 06:55.23 | Rodrigo | every time theres a rage quit, the players in the game gets 1 point |
| 06:56.05 | Rodrigo | thats how I know whether or not a player is cheating. By the number of rage quits |
| 06:56.30 | Rodrigo | Theres not a single player with more than 50 points in his score that has never seen a Debates rage quit |
| 06:56.48 | Rodrigo | I see one every week |
| 06:58.12 | Corbo | nu uh |
| 06:58.15 | Corbo | facebook rox |
| 06:58.24 | Rodrigo | According to youtube, 65% of all my videos views comes from Sc2Mapster |
| 06:58.34 | Corbo | how do you see that? |
| 06:58.40 | AsaPhelps | you click the views |
| 06:58.42 | Rodrigo | in the video insight |
| 06:59.11 | Corbo | let's see where mines come from |
| 06:59.24 | Nash | localhost |
| 06:59.48 | Corbo | lol |
| 06:59.50 | Rodrigo | there's people with more than 65 years old watching my videos |
| 07:00.05 | *** join/#sc2mapster s4ikD (~s4ikD@77-57-171-132.dclient.hispeed.ch) |
| 07:00.09 | Nash | lies |
| 07:00.22 | Rodrigo | youtube is lying then |
| 07:00.25 | Corbo | lol |
| 07:00.34 | Corbo | english tutorials get so much more views than spanish ones |
| 07:00.37 | Nash | age check, pick random year |
| 07:00.42 | Corbo | 78 vs 9 |
| 07:00.48 | Nash | I AM ABOVE 18, I AM 65!!! |
| 07:00.51 | Corbo | and 64 vs 17 |
| 07:00.59 | Rodrigo | 40% of the viewers are from US. 39% from Canada |
| 07:01.25 | Corbo | apparently |
| 07:01.30 | Corbo | most of my views come from alaska |
| 07:01.33 | Corbo | lolwut? |
| 07:01.44 | Rodrigo | in 3rd place, 3.6% of viewers from Germany |
| 07:01.46 | slightlyrandom | alaska is first on the list in the "Pick a state" dropdown |
| 07:01.54 | Rodrigo | lol |
| 07:01.57 | slightlyrandom | hm, wait |
| 07:02.01 | slightlyrandom | alabama |
| 07:02.05 | Rodrigo | I thought was Malvinas Island |
| 07:02.20 | Corbo | my 3rd place is france |
| 07:02.26 | Corbo | I wonder where the spanish views come from |
| 07:02.27 | Rodrigo | I've seen so many people from the island in the middle of the ocean |
| 07:02.31 | Rodrigo | more than 100,000 people |
| 07:02.39 | Rodrigo | its just too much people from an island |
| 07:02.55 | Trager | how can I put certain points into an point array? |
| 07:02.57 | Corbo | lol |
| 07:03.03 | Corbo | the spanish ones are all from spain |
| 07:03.19 | Nash | you, um, set variable |
| 07:03.21 | Nash | D_D |
| 07:03.39 | Trager | oh right, at map init |
| 07:03.43 | Trager | makes sense |
| 07:03.55 | Trager | fuck, I need caffeine |
| 07:04.13 | *** join/#sc2mapster Corbo (~thecorbo@190.87.84.133) |
| 07:04.23 | Rodrigo | most used word: "map" |
| 07:04.30 | Corbo | crap |
| 07:04.32 | Corbo | disconected |
| 07:05.09 | *** join/#sc2mapster rrowland (~Ryan@pool-71-103-164-22.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) |
| 07:05.29 | Rodrigo | rrowland, are you sending your maps to blizz contest? |
| 07:05.56 | *** join/#sc2mapster Corbo (~thecorbo@190.87.84.133) |
| 07:06.09 | Corbo | why do videos have to be so fat |
| 07:06.18 | Rodrigo | am?? |
| 07:06.38 | Corbo | ? |
| 07:06.46 | Rodrigo | fat videos?!?! |
| 07:06.56 | Corbo | yeah like |
| 07:06.59 | Corbo | 1min = 1GB |
| 07:07.02 | Corbo | it's wtf? |
| 07:07.07 | Rodrigo | oh |
| 07:07.15 | Corbo | moreover if I just delete them |
| 07:07.19 | Corbo | windows still counts them |
| 07:07.20 | Rodrigo | cause of quality, resolution, frame rate |
| 07:07.22 | AsaPhelps | compress them nub |
| 07:07.25 | Corbo | so I always end up having like |
| 07:07.29 | Corbo | 2GB of disk space |
| 07:07.32 | Rodrigo | and compression |
| 07:07.35 | Corbo | even when I should have like 80 |
| 07:07.43 | Rodrigo | because they are not compacted |
| 07:07.48 | currydevil | question: using (Owner of (Triggering unit)) != (Owner of (Killing unit)) will rule out adding a point to my kill score if i tell my own baneling to explode? logically? |
| 07:07.52 | Corbo | of course they're not. |
| 07:08.04 | Corbo | but I just wish of a recording program that auto encodes them |
| 07:08.09 | Corbo | and makes them tiny <3 |
| 07:08.35 | Rodrigo | try to imagine, you have to store the color of each pixel, 30 frames per second, 15,000 kbps |
| 07:08.42 | Nash | Maybe. Or you can check for ability use. |
| 07:08.44 | Rodrigo | Red, green, and blue |
| 07:08.48 | Rodrigo | 9 digits |
| 07:08.51 | Rodrigo | per pixel |
| 07:08.56 | Corbo | wut? |
| 07:08.58 | AsaPhelps | thats a lot of numbers |
| 07:09.03 | Rodrigo | in a resolution with 1280*720 pixels |
| 07:09.09 | Corbo | it's not 9 digits per pixel |
| 07:09.13 | Rodrigo | 30 frames per second |
| 07:09.21 | Rodrigo | REd 255 Green 255 Blue 255 |
| 07:09.22 | Nash | If player uses Baneling explode, remove a point if needed |
| 07:09.37 | Corbo | I honestly doubt they store in 255 mode |
| 07:09.44 | Rodrigo | 32 bits to store the color |
| 07:09.45 | Corbo | they have to do it in hex |
| 07:09.55 | Corbo | so it's 18! |
| 07:09.58 | Nash | binary |
| 07:10.00 | Nash | D_D |
| 07:10.18 | Nash | what base you display it in does not matter |
| 07:10.21 | Rodrigo | 32 bits per color, in a resolution 1280*720 ITS 29491200 PIXELS PER FRAME |
| 07:10.24 | Rodrigo | I mean |
| 07:10.25 | Rodrigo | bits |
| 07:10.26 | Trager | well, down from 40 massattack triggers to 12 massattack triggers |
| 07:10.32 | Rodrigo | 29491200 BITS PER FRAME |
| 07:10.34 | Trager | wish I had l2array'd sooner |
| 07:10.34 | Rodrigo | in a video with 30 frames per second |
| 07:10.42 | Rodrigo | 884736000 BITS PER FRAME |
| 07:10.48 | Rodrigo | per second |
| 07:10.52 | Corbo | blah blah blah |
| 07:10.54 | Rodrigo | 884736000 BITS PER SECOND |
| 07:10.56 | Nash | 255 = 1 byte |
| 07:10.58 | Corbo | they still do a pretty bad job |
| 07:11.03 | Rodrigo | no |
| 07:11.04 | Nash | 3 bytes per pixel |
| 07:11.05 | currydevil | Yay, my logic works! |
| 07:11.41 | Rodrigo | 884736000 bits = 110592000 bytes |
| 07:12.03 | Rodrigo | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:12.06 | *** join/#sc2mapster Clord (~Clord@62-165-184-94.bb.dnainternet.fi) |
| 07:12.17 | currydevil | eh that ling of code was a lot easier to work out then trying to see who was using baneling explode and deducting points =X |
| 07:12.20 | currydevil | line* |
| 07:12.29 | Corbo | that is so wrong. |
| 07:12.58 | Nash | I stopped trusting your math after you said 32 bits per color D_D |
| 07:13.07 | Clord | lol |
| 07:13.09 | Rodrigo | why |
| 07:13.10 | Rodrigo | its 32 bits |
| 07:13.13 | Corbo | it'd make roughly a 6000 MB video in just one minute |
| 07:13.26 | Rodrigo | 32 bits = 4 bytes |
| 07:13.27 | Corbo | mine was barely 1 ;o |
| 07:13.32 | Corbo | gb |
| 07:13.33 | Nash | 3 bytes |
| 07:13.39 | Nash | unless you have alpha |
| 07:13.40 | Rodrigo | 4 |
| 07:13.40 | Corbo | it's still transfering to my laptop wtf |
| 07:13.46 | Corbo | lol |
| 07:13.47 | Corbo | alpha? |
| 07:13.52 | Rodrigo | lol |
| 07:13.55 | Nash | alpha, transparency |
| 07:14.01 | Corbo | I know what it is. |
| 07:14.03 | Trager | Why don't variables and values have a search function in the trigger editor? |
| 07:14.05 | Corbo | but on video capture? |
| 07:14.11 | Nash | no |
| 07:14.16 | Nash | thus 3 bytes |
| 07:14.19 | Rodrigo | ok, do the calculations with ony 24 bits |
| 07:15.04 | Rodrigo | 3 bytes per pixel x resolution 1280 x 720 x 30 frames per second |
| 07:15.13 | Nash | assuming they are correct, multiply by 24/32 |
| 07:15.18 | Corbo | yay |
| 07:15.25 | Corbo | 20% of my watchers are females |
| 07:15.27 | Rodrigo | 82944000 bytes per second |
| 07:15.35 | Rodrigo | divided by 1024 |
| 07:15.44 | Rodrigo | = 81000 kbps |
| 07:16.08 | Rodrigo | = 79 mbps |
| 07:16.11 | Corbo | hey |
| 07:16.16 | Corbo | get over the topic already |
| 07:16.17 | Rodrigo | for a 720p HD video |
| 07:16.20 | Corbo | that was so 2 minutes ago |
| 07:16.25 | Rodrigo | lol |
| 07:16.26 | Trager | so 80% of your admirers are guys? O.o |
| 07:16.34 | Rodrigo | LOL |
| 07:16.41 | Corbo | I'm more happy with my 20% girls |
| 07:16.42 | Corbo | ;o |
| 07:16.50 | *** join/#sc2mapster Cismo (cismo@xob.kapsi.fi) |
| 07:16.54 | Nash | OMG GIRLS!!11 |
| 07:16.56 | *** join/#sc2mapster rulssi (rulssi@xob.kapsi.fi) |
| 07:16.58 | Trager | lol |
| 07:17.47 | Nash | THEY MIGHT HAVE SEX WITH YOU!! |
| 07:17.57 | Corbo | I doubt so |
| 07:18.13 | Rodrigo | why I CANT SUBSCRIBE MYSELF... grrrrrr |
| 07:18.15 | Corbo | for once I am 3k miles away from them |
| 07:18.16 | Nash | Meh, gender is irrelevant. |
| 07:18.21 | Rodrigo | I hate youtube |
| 07:18.39 | Rodrigo | I HATE THIS NEW BATTLE.NET FRIENDS LIST!!! I CAN'T ADD MYSELF!!!!! |
| 07:18.47 | Rodrigo | I tried to add myself |
| 07:18.54 | Rodrigo | it didn't allow me |
| 07:19.25 | Trager | do I have to set fixed teams through triggers? |
| 07:20.28 | onetwo | 30% of my total views are on SOTIS trailer |
| 07:20.35 | onetwo | next highest is 4.7% with tutorial of my tower D |
| 07:20.50 | onetwo | 6% female |
| 07:20.56 | onetwo | most 25-34 |
| 07:20.59 | onetwo | overall |
| 07:21.27 | Corbo | lol the sc2 community is so old |
| 07:21.43 | onetwo | my viewership went up 3-4x in the days following sc2 release |
| 07:21.54 | Nash | Well, StarCraft came out in 1998 :G |
| 07:23.00 | Corbo | my |
| 07:23.04 | Corbo | vi--oh wait |
| 07:23.06 | Corbo | onetwo is gone |
| 07:23.18 | Rodrigo | nice +onetwo |
| 07:23.56 | Nash | Those who played SC in their teens are almost 30 :o |
| 07:23.57 | Corbo | you guys are gonna like this video |
| 07:24.08 | Corbo | whenever it decides to actually compress |
| 07:24.22 | Rodrigo | I made maps for starcraft when I was 12 years old |
| 07:24.36 | Trager | I made shitty maps for starcraft when I was 12 |
| 07:24.48 | Rodrigo | same LOL |
| 07:24.51 | Corbo | I made mods for starcraft when I was 12 years old |
| 07:24.52 | Nash | StarCraft wasn't out when I was 12 :G |
| 07:25.07 | Rodrigo | lol |
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| 07:26.23 | Sixen | Does anyone still have the Beta installed? |
| 07:27.13 | Trager | I do! |
| 07:27.19 | Trager | on my other comp |
| 07:27.20 | Sixen | Is it updated to Patch 18? |
| 07:27.21 | Rodrigo | I removed last week |
| 07:27.22 | Rodrigo | why? |
| 07:27.24 | Trager | I have no idea |
| 07:27.28 | Nash | I didn't play beta :G |
| 07:27.35 | Sixen | Does it have the patch with GalaxyEDit in it at least? |
| 07:27.35 | Trager | dork |
| 07:27.42 | Rodrigo | last time I tried, it didnt work |
| 07:27.51 | Sixen | I know, I need a file :P |
| 07:28.12 | Trager | wow, whatever you're doing is hardcore |
| 07:28.16 | Nash | virus.exe |
| 07:28.21 | Corbo | oh great |
| 07:28.24 | Sixen | Does it have GE, Trager? |
| 07:28.24 | Corbo | it's not encoding |
| 07:28.37 | Trager | nope, I had the mac version |
| 07:28.41 | Sixen | doh :( |
| 07:28.45 | Trager | sorry |
| 07:28.47 | Sixen | np |
| 07:28.54 | Nash | VirtualDub :G |
| 07:29.05 | allenmelon | sixen, is a pro! |
| 07:29.08 | Sixen | pro |
| 07:29.17 | Nash | gosu ^_^;; |
| 07:29.20 | Sixen | [= |
| 07:29.26 | allenmelon | rank number one!! |
| 07:29.43 | Nash | One good thing about region division. No Koreans. |
| 07:29.54 | allenmelon | lol |
| 07:29.57 | Nash | They were annyoing in StarCraft. :/ |
| 07:30.03 | allenmelon | how come? |
| 07:30.13 | Nash | Especially since they wrote in Korean in various channels |
| 07:30.20 | allenmelon | nd america sure has koreans... |
| 07:30.23 | Corbo | screw you SUPER |
| 07:30.26 | Nash | which just shows up as garbage text |
| 07:30.34 | Corbo | I'm gonna get one of those crappy video encoders |
| 07:30.35 | Trager | How beautiful is this? http://paste.sc2mapster.com/2359/ |
| 07:30.43 | Trager | look! arrays! |
| 07:30.45 | allenmelon | theres probly a few koreans on us bnet |
| 07:30.55 | Trager | and they're all in diamond |
| 07:30.57 | Trager | lag be damned |
| 07:31.00 | allenmelon | nah |
| 07:31.15 | allenmelon | koreans in starcraft =/= top player |
| 07:31.24 | allenmelon | for example, im a korean, but i suck |
| 07:31.34 | Trager | must not be pureblood |
| 07:31.43 | Corbo | what about the other 50 million koreans? |
| 07:31.45 | allenmelon | pure korean, just korean-american |
| 07:31.50 | allenmelon | born and raised here lol |
| 07:31.53 | Corbo | you sucking doesn't imply the otherd do too |
| 07:31.55 | Trager | there's your problem |
| 07:32.02 | Trager | it's cultural, not genetic |
| 07:32.03 | Corbo | lol Trager |
| 07:32.08 | allenmelon | lol, so its cultural rofl |
| 07:32.21 | Nash | Well, a European channel filled with garbled text is annoying. |
| 07:32.32 | allenmelon | so if an american was born and raised in korea and was into starcraft, by your assumptions, he would be pro lol |
| 07:32.49 | Nash | Dunno why they don't join Korean channels if they're going to speak Korean. |
| 07:33.09 | Nash | YOU DON'T SEE ME SPEAKING SWEDISH DO YOU? |
| 07:33.33 | Corbo | yay |
| 07:33.35 | Corbo | it encoded} |
| 07:33.42 | Corbo | at a very poor resolution |
| 07:33.45 | Corbo | but atleast it did |
| 07:33.48 | Trager | brb food |
| 07:33.48 | Corbo | so I can show you now |
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| 07:36.12 | F3ARKiLL3R | morgen |
| 07:36.16 | F3ARKiLL3R | some german here? |
| 07:36.23 | Sixen | Maybe? :X |
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| 07:36.52 | Nash | minute noob |
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| 07:37.13 | Corbo | k done |
| 07:37.15 | Corbo | watch this |
| 07:37.16 | Corbo | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OkuIpdq8jJM |
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| 07:37.29 | Trager | god damn colloquy |
| 07:38.30 | Nash | you killed my eyes |
| 07:38.52 | Corbo | I killed mine too |
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| 07:40.44 | Corbo | RODRIGO} |
| 07:40.47 | Corbo | WATCH THIS |
| 07:40.48 | Corbo | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OkuIpdq8jJM |
| 07:40.54 | Nash | IT'S A TRAP |
| 07:41.40 | Nash | I need drugs :G |
| 07:42.00 | Nash | Well, one specific drug. |
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| 07:42.24 | Darkarbiter | Who here is on SEA? |
| 07:42.44 | Nash | Guess I'll have to go to the store. |
| 07:43.14 | Nash | It's that or sleep :/ |
| 07:44.45 | Trager | what is this locked/unlocked mode that I keep hearing about when I try to publish? |
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| 07:49.41 | Trager | really? no one? |
| 07:50.15 | Corbo | ? |
| 07:50.16 | Corbo | oh |
| 07:50.26 | Corbo | you can lock maps |
| 07:50.31 | Corbo | and publish them locked |
| 07:50.35 | Trager | right, how |
| 07:50.36 | Corbo | so no one can edit them |
| 07:50.41 | Corbo | it's some sort of protection |
| 07:51.05 | Trager | it says I need to decide which before I publish |
| 07:51.09 | Trager | but I dont know where the option is |
| 07:51.38 | Corbo | oh |
| 07:51.40 | Corbo | it's in |
| 07:51.41 | Corbo | hmm |
| 07:51.49 | Corbo | thar |
| 07:52.04 | Trager | it was staring at me |
| 07:52.06 | Trager | I'm dumb |
| 07:53.17 | Trager | So Corbos, wanna do some QA with me? |
| 07:55.21 | Trager | actually, I'm just gonna host the first game privately when I'm done |
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| 08:02.03 | Sixen | corbo |
| 08:02.06 | Sixen | go check your pm's nub |
| 08:04.14 | Sixen | holy cock |
| 08:04.14 | Sixen | wtf just happened |
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| 08:04.14 | Trager | netsplit |
| 08:04.14 | Sixen | that's never fun |
| 08:04.14 | Trager | why is the variables tab in my trigger debug window staying blank? |
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| 08:07.33 | Corbo | wow this thing sure likes disconecting me |
| 08:08.04 | Trager | must be your charming demeanor |
| 08:08.13 | Corbo | oh yes |
| 08:08.16 | Trager | 20% of your youtube viewers certainly notice it |
| 08:08.20 | Corbo | it's its way of loving me |
| 08:08.25 | Corbo | lol |
| 08:08.27 | Corbo | females? |
| 08:08.36 | Corbo | they like my sexy voice ;O |
| 08:09.28 | Trager | my game is about to crash my computer |
| 08:09.31 | Corbo | yay the video got two more views |
| 08:09.38 | Corbo | now it's got 8! |
| 08:09.39 | Trager | the minimap has stopped rendering altogether |
| 08:09.43 | Trager | congrats! |
| 08:09.44 | Corbo | lol |
| 08:09.48 | Corbo | units disappear? |
| 08:09.50 | Trager | you'll be the new fred in no time |
| 08:09.55 | Trager | only on the minimap |
| 08:09.56 | Corbo | it happens when it hits around 3k units. |
| 08:10.02 | Trager | but there is a lot of rubberbanding going in |
| 08:10.05 | Trager | on* |
| 08:10.15 | Corbo | rubberbanding? |
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| 08:10.34 | Trager | timetraveling, the map will suddenly revert to how it was a couple seconds ago |
| 08:10.43 | Nash | packet loss |
| 08:10.53 | Trager | ^that |
| 08:11.23 | Trager | so according to the debug tool, most of my triggers crash, but the game still plays as it should |
| 08:11.27 | Trager | I'm just gonna leave it |
| 08:11.52 | Nash | clearly a programmer |
| 08:12.18 | Helral | meows |
| 08:12.24 | Nash | KITTUNS |
| 08:12.39 | Helral | swipes at Nash |
| 08:12.45 | Helral | you're too loud so early XD |
| 08:13.00 | Nash | early is relative |
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| 08:13.18 | Nash | I've been up for 18 hours or so |
| 08:13.22 | Helral | I'm still half asleep so it's early XD |
| 08:13.40 | Trager | its about to be my second allnighter in 3 days |
| 08:13.43 | Nash | but I got drugs |
| 08:14.07 | Corbo | I like it how I can edit PMs |
| 08:14.13 | Corbo | I can reply something |
| 08:14.19 | Helral | you can edit ProzaicMuze's? |
| 08:14.21 | Corbo | then edit it to be something completely different |
| 08:14.34 | Corbo | so whenever someone goes back to my pm |
| 08:14.40 | Corbo | they can read something like |
| 08:14.42 | Corbo | LOL HAHAHAHAHA |
| 08:14.45 | Corbo | and see |
| 08:14.55 | Corbo | "received: 2 months ago" |
| 08:14.58 | Corbo | and be like |
| 08:15.01 | Corbo | wtf was this pm about? |
| 08:16.00 | Helral | Corbo: or just be like, delete |
| 08:16.22 | Corbo | Why so mean |
| 08:16.22 | Corbo | QQ |
| 08:16.28 | Helral | because I can XD |
| 08:16.39 | Trager | how do I make fixed teams? |
| 08:16.44 | Corbo | WATCH MY VIDEO |
| 08:16.45 | Corbo | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OkuIpdq8jJM |
| 08:16.53 | Helral | no you're too loud XD |
| 08:16.56 | Corbo | wut? |
| 08:17.04 | Corbo | D: |
| 08:17.06 | Corbo | really? |
| 08:17.13 | Corbo | also I don't talk in that one |
| 08:17.16 | Corbo | at all |
| 08:17.16 | Helral | Trager: no idea how to make really fixed teams. |
| 08:17.23 | Corbo | I don't think you can |
| 08:17.30 | Corbo | I haven't seen a map with proper teams |
| 08:17.48 | Trager | hmm |
| 08:17.56 | Trager | Sixen any input? |
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| 08:18.55 | Zarakk | Very strange, I was alone in this channel and it said that about 100 of you left this channel xD |
| 08:19.11 | Zarakk | But now everyones here again, so 'tis all good |
| 08:20.31 | Trager | ok, I'm going to sleep |
| 08:20.40 | Trager | night everyone |
| 08:21.03 | Zarakk | Nightynighty |
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| 08:21.18 | Corbo | nighty |
| 08:21.33 | Trager | actually, screw leaving |
| 08:24.34 | Helral | Zarakk: you got a serversplit. |
| 08:24.51 | Zarakk | :O How tasty! |
| 08:24.57 | Zarakk | Thank you :3 |
| 08:25.06 | Zarakk | (I know what you mean :P) |
| 08:33.06 | Clord | lol also this irc community |
| 08:33.08 | Clord | it has lost weight |
| 08:33.09 | Clord | XD |
| 08:34.11 | Corbo | well |
| 08:34.15 | Corbo | almost 3am |
| 08:34.20 | Corbo | so bai guys |
| 08:35.03 | Helral | Clord: we can fix that. |
| 08:35.12 | Helral | Clord: give me a hand with this. |
| 08:35.27 | Helral | drags a 100 pound stone into the IRC channel. |
| 08:35.33 | Helral | goes very slowly. |
| 08:36.27 | Helral | I need to work out more XD |
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| 09:26.01 | Clord | Helral.... try 100KG stone |
| 09:26.01 | Clord | when I meant weight of site... I mean something like 67 kilograms etc ^^ |
| 09:26.01 | Clord | http://www.revolutionalarts.com/wiki/index.php?title=Gameplay_Guide_%28THE_Card_Game%29 |
| 09:26.01 | Clord | http://www.revolutionalarts.com/wiki/index.php?title=Image:Cg_spendingresources_newui.png |
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| 11:08.43 | *** topic/#sc2mapster is http://sc2mapster.com/ | "Dont ask to ask, just ask!" | Play Custom Games at #SC2MapsterMapNight | UI Contest: http://bit.ly/c5olWd | Patch 0-1.03 Undocumented Editor Notes: http://bit.ly/9lD5od | Join #sc2replayed for SC2Replayed | Idle in #MWE for MilkyWayEditor! |
| 11:08.52 | Helral | uses the knotted rope hanging at the side of the trap to climb out of it. |
| 11:08.57 | Helral | pulls up the knotted rope. |
| 11:09.02 | Helral | XD |
| 11:09.16 | slightlyrandom | Yeah, this is when you use your Jetpack Zarakk |
| 11:09.27 | Zarakk | I left it outside of the trap |
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| 11:10.02 | Zarakk | uses the door conveniently located inside the trap, and exits |
| 11:10.10 | Helral | someone lowered it into the trap. |
| 11:10.15 | Helral | O.o damn I missed that door. |
| 11:10.32 | Helral | I was just looking up and at the walls not lower where doors could be :( |
| 11:10.33 | slightlyrandom | Well, he didn't take it with him |
| 11:10.46 | slightlyrandom | There's still time to go and say hello |
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| 11:11.06 | Helral | Zarakk is scary. |
| 11:11.14 | Zarakk | :O |
| 11:11.17 | Zarakk | Where!? |
| 11:11.24 | Helral | your rickroll thoughts :( |
| 11:11.34 | Zarakk | You brought that on yourself |
| 11:11.35 | Helral | they scared the crap out of me :( |
| 11:11.44 | Helral | :'''( |
| 11:12.45 | Helral | those should be forbidden. |
| 11:13.48 | Aussie123 | do u guys believe in ghosts? i fully heard a kid laugh at the end of my bed last night :p |
| 11:14.39 | Helral | Aussie123: ow you heard me laugh? damn :( |
| 11:15.01 | Aussie123 | ur a little girl? |
| 11:15.08 | Aussie123 | sounded like a girl laugh |
| 11:15.11 | Helral | if you want me to XD |
| 11:15.29 | Helral | I can sound like one XD even though I ain't one. |
| 11:15.36 | Helral | I can even sound like a real kitten. |
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| 11:15.58 | Aussie123 | meow meow meow meow meow meow in homers voice |
| 11:16.18 | Helral | meows |
| 11:16.19 | s3rius | I can imitate the sound of a rock pretty good. Took me years of practice. |
| 11:16.34 | Helral | you ndidn't sound like one just now s3rius.... |
| 11:16.45 | s3rius | http://208.116.9.205/10/content/23256/1.jpg |
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| 11:17.31 | Helral | how did you get my message of a couple of years ago? |
| 11:17.42 | Aussie123 | i had just finished watching paranormal activity before it happened |
| 11:17.44 | Aussie123 | :p |
| 11:17.48 | s3rius | google saves everything. |
| 11:18.43 | Aussie123 | like most people would be i was hiding under my sheets pretending i didnt hear it lol |
| 11:20.24 | Aussie123 | ive talked to a ghost once, i had my mic recording in audacity and i asked is anybody here? i heard... Aahhnnnddyyy as in andi :p |
| 11:20.49 | Helral | hmmmm |
| 11:20.53 | Aussie123 | i asked is your name andi, i got a It is back |
| 11:21.11 | Helral | think the ghost was hearing human voices, and it was scared XD |
| 11:21.44 | Aussie123 | i think ghosts can see humans :p |
| 11:22.07 | Aussie123 | unless they are in a world of their own right on top of ours |
| 11:22.16 | Aussie123 | ghost houses |
| 11:22.18 | Aussie123 | cars |
| 11:22.19 | Aussie123 | schools |
| 11:22.37 | Aussie123 | u could be sitting in a bath tub with ghost girls right now :p |
| 11:23.24 | Aussie123 | or in bed with a hot dead ghost |
| 11:24.36 | s3rius | necrophilia a little, huh? ;) |
| 11:24.42 | Helral | ghosts are generally not really ghosts. they're just the beings who live in the shadow world. the connection to that world is at some points weak and we can then see through the barrier that seperates our worlds. what we see is what we refer to as ghosts, although that is a bit incorrect. |
| 11:25.26 | Helral | the shadow world, is a world that looks like our own only then there's only illumination lighting no lights as we know it here. XD |
| 11:25.38 | Aussie123 | what if there are 2 worlds one is the opposite of this |
| 11:25.39 | Helral | wonders if he went too far with his explenation. |
| 11:25.43 | Aussie123 | they arent really dead |
| 11:25.52 | Aussie123 | they are us :p but the opposite |
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| 11:27.59 | Aussie123 | some evps have said they can see us perfectly |
| 11:28.30 | Aussie123 | tho that was in those... ghost shows... |
| 11:28.38 | Aussie123 | cough fake |
| 11:28.55 | s3rius | Nah that's bosh. Usually newspapers pay them to say such things. Ghosts can be pretty greedy selfish bastards |
| 11:29.09 | Aussie123 | Ghost advantures is real |
| 11:29.22 | Aussie123 | Ghost hunters and most haunted most fake tv in the world |
| 11:32.54 | Aussie123 | i got an evp of ghosts having sex btw |
| 11:33.07 | Aussie123 | or my neighbours |
| 11:33.08 | Aussie123 | :p |
| 11:33.51 | Aussie123 | in my bedroom too |
| 11:34.15 | Aussie123 | maybe they were borrowing my bed for some old fashion ghost lovin' |
| 11:34.28 | Xoasitech_AFK | o/ |
| 11:34.52 | Xoasitech | hey Aussie123 - are you an Aussie? |
| 11:35.11 | Helral | Xoasitech: were you haunting Aussie123? |
| 11:35.11 | Aussie123 | nah |
| 11:35.16 | Xoasitech | kewl |
| 11:35.23 | Aussie123 | of course im aussie |
| 11:35.27 | Xoasitech | lol |
| 11:35.37 | Xoasitech | where abouts - I'm up near Byron Bay |
| 11:35.59 | Aussie123 | down below.. |
| 11:36.01 | Helral | whispers, it's your nextdoor neighbor. XD |
| 11:36.12 | Aussie123 | as low as u can go |
| 11:36.15 | Aussie123 | adelaide |
| 11:36.19 | Xoasitech | is that you michelle? |
| 11:36.22 | Helral | XD |
| 11:36.24 | Helral | roflol |
| 11:37.50 | Aussie123 | u guys should download Summer Heights High |
| 11:37.57 | Aussie123 | best aussie show by far |
| 11:38.52 | Xoasitech | heh - and I thought RL was a porno |
| 11:39.24 | Aussie123 | or atleast youtube it |
| 11:40.05 | Xoasitech | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Summer_Heights_High |
| 11:41.11 | Zarakk | Bye bye for now! Be back later! *takes trap and leaves* |
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| 12:06.01 | SycoPrime | Does anyone know how to concatenate strings in custom script? |
| 12:06.16 | SycoPrime | Is it dot or plus or & or...? |
| 12:08.14 | s3rius | + |
| 12:08.21 | s3rius | "abc" + "def" |
| 12:08.40 | SycoPrime | Thank you very much. |
| 12:08.43 | s3rius | np |
| 12:08.54 | Helral | Sixen you here? |
| 12:09.11 | Clord | lol |
| 12:09.16 | Clord | ~seen sixen |
| 12:09.18 | purl | sixen is currently on #sc2mapster #wowuidev, last said: 'Maybe? :X'. |
| 12:09.32 | Helral | or maybe someone else knows: Is there a way to set a width for the tables in the forums. |
| 12:09.36 | Helral | using wikicreaole |
| 12:09.41 | Helral | wikicreole* |
| 12:10.01 | SycoPrime | Does wikicreole allow HTML tags? |
| 12:10.17 | Helral | it detects a certain setup that it sees as tables. |
| 12:10.20 | s3rius | wikicreole is a piece of junk imo |
| 12:10.42 | Helral | well I've made 5 posts already filled with tables, kinda a pain in the ass to change it again :P |
| 12:10.53 | Helral | I used the wikicreole tables for it. |
| 12:10.54 | s3rius | Well, if it isn't named anywhere in the type markup then I guess it doesn't have that option. |
| 12:11.14 | SycoPrime | Helral, does this contain the answer? http://www.wikicreole.org/wiki/ListOfTableMarkups |
| 12:12.25 | Helral | ah found what I wanted. |
| 12:12.26 | Helral | XD |
| 12:12.38 | Helral | hehehe yeah I was just reading that SycoPrime. |
| 12:12.50 | Helral | didn't follow the links through far enough when I last checked it. |
| 12:13.07 | rooj | hi |
| 12:13.17 | SycoPrime | Ah. I really didn't understand what it was talking about, but if I googled right, that was the most likely place to find the answer. |
| 12:13.21 | SycoPrime | Hello, rooj. How are you? |
| 12:13.45 | rooj | tired of losing so gonna work on my map :P |
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| 12:16.37 | Glupeczek | Hi there, is this a good place to look for some minor help with the galaxy editor? |
| 12:16.46 | SycoPrime | Hooray progress! |
| 12:17.18 | SycoPrime | Sure, Glupczek. Just ask whatever you need, and if no one answers, it's because we're all asleep or busy working on maps. Ask again later and someone can probably sort it out. |
| 12:21.09 | Glupeczek | I'm trying to make a custom bullet weapon and I'm having difficulties setting the attack actor. My problem is the impact reaction. If I set in my events+ Launch.Start Create it works ok, but there is no impact effect when the bullet finds a target with search. If I set it to Damage.Start Create there is an impact but the bullet doesn't appear at the weapon. |
| 12:22.42 | Helral | Glupeczek: I have no idea how that stuff works but, why can't you use both? since events+ obviously allows multiple definitions. |
| 12:22.44 | rooj | weird, i click add water state and nothing happens |
| 12:23.13 | Glupeczek | In other words, in the first case, impact appears right after launch and not Set which tells it to suicide when it finds something. |
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| 12:23.28 | rooj | oh nevermind |
| 12:24.39 | Helral | Glupeczek: hmmm can you bind the event to the missiles death then? like in you've got the normal units attack, then the missile is created and launched, when the missile finds its target it dies and the impact event is run. |
| 12:25.33 | SycoPrime | Looks like all the Marauder missle has is a Birth and Death event. |
| 12:26.18 | Glupeczek | Yeah, cause it's a target unit thing. Mine is not a weapon. It's a target point effect. |
| 12:27.56 | SycoPrime | *Shrug* As always, I'm more in the dark than Helral on this one :/ |
| 12:28.17 | Helral | has his advantage as programmer :P |
| 12:28.26 | rooj | lol, now it wont let me edit the alternative water state, everything is grayed out |
| 12:28.46 | Glupeczek | Helral: I'm not sure I understand. How do I run the impact event? |
| 12:28.50 | SycoPrime | Still, your description sounds like you're only using one action or the other. Does it misbehave when you use both actions? |
| 12:29.29 | Glupeczek | I have Damage.Start ActionImpact, but it doesn't do anything since the impact takes place instantly after launch. |
| 12:29.52 | Helral | Glupeczek: does it take place at the correct unit? if you use that |
| 12:30.11 | Glupeczek | How do I check :) ? |
| 12:30.47 | Helral | you said the impact takes place right after launch, what do you mean by that? |
| 12:31.09 | Glupeczek | It's a very fast missile that is triggered by create effect at point. The impact happens exactly at the given point, which it shouldn't. |
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| 12:32.11 | Glupeczek | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:32.16 | ThunderLord | helral? |
| 12:33.00 | Helral | ThunderLord: yeah? |
| 12:33.04 | Helral | Glupeczek: hmmm |
| 12:33.14 | ThunderLord | do you ever have any problems with your maps? lol |
| 12:33.23 | ThunderLord | like you ever get stumped on anything? |
| 12:33.30 | Helral | Glupeczek: instead of a certain explosion or whatever the unit just disappears? |
| 12:33.43 | Helral | ThunderLord: try altering the cursor on runtime :S |
| 12:34.06 | Glupeczek | Helral: Yeah. |
| 12:34.24 | Helral | so the death animation is just missing? |
| 12:34.42 | ThunderLord | you know all teh stuf |
| 12:35.27 | Helral | Glupeczek: does your missile have an Event-Events+ named UnitDeath, with MsgType Destroy? |
| 12:35.29 | Clord | http://www.revolutionalarts.com/wiki/index.php?title=Gameplay_Guide_%28THE_Card_Game%29 |
| 12:35.35 | Glupeczek | The whole impact thing is missing. |
| 12:36.23 | Clord | I think this looks rather cool |
| 12:37.14 | Clord | talk about overdone wiki pages |
| 12:37.31 | Helral | Clord: Mysterious shadow XD |
| 12:37.48 | Clord | that is depth of the map ;) |
| 12:37.51 | Clord | just joking ^^ |
| 12:38.22 | Glupeczek | Helral: yes, it has. |
| 12:38.29 | Clord | look those card description things |
| 12:38.32 | Clord | there is few jokes |
| 12:38.35 | Helral | Glupeczek: ok I'm out of ideas :( |
| 12:38.49 | Helral | Clord: you mean like the mutant arm? |
| 12:39.25 | Clord | my graphic artist didn't knew what is magic the gathering |
| 12:39.29 | Clord | ./facepalm |
| 12:39.40 | Helral | falls on the floor. |
| 12:39.52 | Helral | is rolling on the floor laughing out loud. |
| 12:40.12 | Clord | oh well.. I suggested him that computer game what was released this year |
| 12:40.14 | Clord | unlock decks etc |
| 12:40.50 | Helral | hmmm? they released a computer game of it? |
| 12:40.57 | Helral | the one I remember is very very old ;p |
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| 12:41.11 | Glupeczek | Is ActionImpact responsible for doing the impact effect? |
| 12:41.36 | Helral | could be. |
| 12:41.36 | Clord | that very very old is still updated... was releeased 1995.... this is magic the gathering game with pre-designed decks and very good computer AI and multiplayer features |
| 12:41.37 | Clord | ^^ |
| 12:42.00 | Helral | Shandalar? |
| 12:42.06 | Clord | http://store.steampowered.com/app/49400/ |
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| 12:42.16 | rooj | alrighty, time to see if i can actually create capture the flag lol |
| 12:42.21 | Glupeczek | Is there a way to debug Events? Is there a Text Message thingy? |
| 12:42.32 | mattavich | 11th of september is too far away i'm pretty much done |
| 12:42.41 | Clord | I btw finished that game... hardest difficulty |
| 12:42.45 | Clord | XD |
| 12:43.15 | Helral | Clord: the one you linked or Shandalar? |
| 12:43.27 | Clord | one what I linked |
| 12:43.31 | Clord | I beated all AI enemies |
| 12:44.07 | Clord | those are best ones yet made... they can think many turns in advance |
| 12:44.16 | Helral | XD |
| 12:45.18 | Clord | platinum angel is probably lamest card in the deck |
| 12:45.26 | Clord | lol |
| 12:45.32 | Helral | hehehe |
| 12:48.07 | Helral | let's see how well it plays with the demo in a few seconds :P |
| 12:49.42 | SycoPrime | I have a trigger that creates an item where a unit dies, if that unit is owned by a certain player. It was working before, and now I seem to have half-gotten my AI working >< But it somehow took to spawning these items at Start Location 1. |
| 12:50.14 | SycoPrime | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:50.36 | SycoPrime | The event is "Any unit dies", the condition checks the owner of the unit. |
| 12:50.58 | SycoPrime | Anyone have any idea why the Gas Pods are being created at Start Location 001? |
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| 13:00.56 | Pinzu | helral, I managed to do with 2D arry! ;) |
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| 13:04.32 | rooj | syco, is the map a melee map? |
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| 13:12.52 | Paras1re | Hey. Fast question: where I can change unit's height. I want it to hover over the ground (only visually). Thanks |
| 13:12.53 | Helral | Pinzu: ^^ |
| 13:14.17 | Helral | Paras1re: UI - Height, it's at the data editor at the units. |
| 13:14.43 | Paras1re | Helral: Will try, thanks |
| 13:16.47 | Helral | will be doing some work on the Tutorial requests list now. semi here. |
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| 13:21.18 | Thunder_Eye | Is anyone else having problems with Actor - Filters? |
| 13:27.32 | SycoPrime | I've got two units with two different item containers, placed in two different abilities. Yet for some reason, the inventories are overlapping: If Unit A picks up an item, it /appears/ in unit B's inventory. |
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| 13:29.04 | Vulfe | Hi ^^ |
| 13:30.03 | Xackery | howdy Vulfe |
| 13:30.44 | SycoPrime | Hello Vulfe. |
| 13:32.26 | Vulfe | Hey |
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| 13:32.38 | Vulfe | This map's terrain better be super-high quality |
| 13:32.43 | Vulfe | otherwise I'll have wasted like |
| 13:32.45 | Vulfe | days of my life |
| 13:32.47 | Vulfe | : | |
| 13:35.05 | Clord | lol |
| 13:36.06 | Clord | you are too harsh for yourself then |
| 13:36.07 | Clord | XD |
| 13:36.49 | Phaos | WoW models are handy |
| 13:38.09 | Vulfe | Well |
| 13:38.10 | Vulfe | Clord. |
| 13:38.16 | Vulfe | I have to be a perfectionist |
| 13:38.21 | Vulfe | otherwise everything wouldn't be perfect |
| 13:38.23 | Vulfe | and it is O_O |
| 13:38.35 | Vulfe | that one room took me at least 7 hours |
| 13:39.49 | Clord | nothing is perfect |
| 13:39.53 | rooj | i DLed some CTF mod from sc2mapster and it crashes the editor when i load it ;/ |
| 13:39.54 | Clord | and other famous lines |
| 13:39.55 | Clord | ^^ |
| 13:40.22 | Vulfe | Well, Clord |
| 13:40.23 | Vulfe | The thing is |
| 13:40.40 | Vulfe | The editor operates on a great degree of mathematical precision when it comes to placement |
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| 13:40.54 | Vulfe | there is a minimum space that a texture can fill, and a minimum increment between textures |
| 13:40.58 | Vulfe | so borders CAN be perfect |
| 13:42.02 | s3rius | actually the editor's mathematical precision sucks big times |
| 13:42.10 | Vulfe | not for textures |
| 13:42.19 | s3rius | it's using fixed point numbers which were anything else than precise |
| 13:42.35 | Vulfe | ok |
| 13:42.37 | Vulfe | who cares |
| 13:43.01 | s3rius | People trying to do precise math with the editor care^^ Sucks pretty much when suddenly 0 != 0 |
| 13:43.02 | Vulfe | speaking of which, what do you think? http://i34.tinypic.com/inxwtf.jpg |
| 13:43.04 | Clord | I hate that defensive crap "who cares" |
| 13:43.07 | Clord | it is way overused |
| 13:43.07 | Clord | XD |
| 13:43.09 | Vulfe | :P |
| 13:43.21 | Clord | suddenly when someone is losing argument they typically use that |
| 13:43.23 | Phaos | blooms a bit much |
| 13:43.29 | Phaos | durn down the specular IMO |
| 13:43.34 | Phaos | turn* |
| 13:43.44 | Vulfe | meh |
| 13:43.50 | Clord | chaotic areas are better |
| 13:43.50 | Vulfe | It's exposed to the sun |
| 13:44.01 | Clord | XD |
| 13:44.05 | s3rius | Might wanna increase the size of the circle under the Hercules. Think it would look nicer. Apart from that it doesn't look bad at all. |
| 13:44.16 | Vulfe | you might be right about the circle |
| 13:44.17 | Phaos | yeah but there is exposed to the sun. and exposed to a solar flare |
| 13:44.20 | Vulfe | but I mean |
| 13:44.20 | Clord | it makes it less built for robots facility |
| 13:44.29 | Vulfe | It looks fine when nothing's there : \ |
| 13:44.33 | s3rius | maybe it's shiny polished metal plates ^.^ |
| 13:44.52 | Vulfe | I made that banshee doodad |
| 13:44.59 | Phaos | I'm more worried about the canvas cloth on the crates |
| 13:44.59 | Vulfe | Unfortunately, I can't get the turbines to stop rotating |
| 13:45.20 | s3rius | You should be able to pause the actor's animation |
| 13:45.28 | s3rius | through an actor message, for example. |
| 13:45.29 | Phaos | yes you can |
| 13:45.34 | Vulfe | I tried |
| 13:45.51 | Vulfe | It might be that it's just using a moving texture or something |
| 13:45.53 | Vulfe | that's part of the model |
| 13:45.56 | Vulfe | I'll look into it |
| 13:46.31 | Vulfe | if that's the case, then it would still be animated in GLStand |
| 13:46.33 | Vulfe | which is just lame |
| 13:46.35 | s3rius | Can textures itself be moving? Unless it's a video texture.. o0 |
| 13:46.45 | Phaos | nope |
| 13:46.48 | Phaos | thats part of the model |
| 13:46.57 | Vulfe | The turbines ARE just a texture |
| 13:46.57 | s3rius | think so too |
| 13:46.59 | Vulfe | idk how it works tho |
| 13:47.16 | s3rius | Just checking it in the model previewer |
| 13:47.30 | s3rius | the turbines and the turbine blades are part of the modek |
| 13:47.31 | s3rius | model |
| 13:47.34 | s3rius | not a texture |
| 13:47.35 | Phaos | it's a circle that turns |
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| 13:48.11 | Vulfe | exactly |
| 13:48.15 | Vulfe | it still spins in GLStand though |
| 13:48.22 | Vulfe | which means that, even when it's not playing an animation |
| 13:48.23 | Vulfe | they spin |
| 13:48.30 | Phaos | yeah so you gotta pause the animation |
| 13:48.30 | s3rius | You should be able to use actor events |
| 13:48.33 | Phaos | for instance |
| 13:48.35 | s3rius | GLStand IS an animation |
| 13:48.38 | Vulfe | I tried using actor events to pause |
| 13:48.38 | s3rius | just like the normal stand |
| 13:48.44 | Vulfe | yeah, GLStand is the default though |
| 13:48.45 | Vulfe | anyway |
| 13:48.48 | Vulfe | I tried pausing it |
| 13:48.51 | Vulfe | but to no avail |
| 13:48.53 | Phaos | there is a doodad in my map that does have an animation for it to be "packed away" but it does have a birth |
| 13:49.04 | Phaos | so I have it play the same first frame over and over |
| 13:49.18 | Vulfe | idk how much I care about the spinning turbines anyway |
| 13:49.18 | Vulfe | I mean... |
| 13:49.23 | Vulfe | it just looks like it's idling |
| 13:49.27 | Vulfe | which isn't necessarily that bad |
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| 13:49.36 | tordecybombo | how do you protect maps again |
| 13:49.43 | tordecybombo | by protecting i mean hiding the triggers |
| 13:49.44 | Vulfe | pay me 10 dollars |
| 13:49.54 | Phaos | why do you wanna hide the triggers ? |
| 13:49.57 | Vulfe | and I'll beat up anyone |
| 13:49.59 | Vulfe | who tries |
| 13:50.16 | tordecybombo | because it has encryption information i dont want people to see |
| 13:50.58 | s3rius | @torde: the best you can do it publish it as a locked map |
| 13:51.36 | tordecybombo | but people can still get the maps from their cache right? |
| 13:51.45 | Nash | no, the best you can do is not give anyone your map |
| 13:52.08 | tordecybombo | s3rius i'm loving Starcode |
| 13:52.10 | tordecybombo | :4 |
| 13:52.23 | s3rius | :) |
| 13:52.26 | Aussie123 | australia finally getting 1gb internet woohoo.. at least i hope |
| 13:52.50 | tordecybombo | i noticed the string doesnt load correctly when it's like 45 chars+ |
| 13:53.15 | tordecybombo | i printed the string in-game and compared it with the string in the bank xml file |
| 13:53.19 | tordecybombo | some chars in the middle were different |
| 13:53.39 | s3rius | Did the xml string still decompress well? |
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| 13:53.55 | tordecybombo | didnt check that |
| 13:54.00 | tordecybombo | only checked after hash |
| 13:55.34 | s3rius | @Vulfe found the way to stop the animation. In actor events use AnimSetTimeScaleGlobal 0.001 <- will make it go at 0.1% of it's normal speed. |
| 13:55.45 | Phaos | there doesn't seem to be any electrical sound ... which is odd.. cosidering it's a game. IN SPAAAACCCEEEE |
| 13:56.10 | s3rius | electrical sounds? like building animation sounds from terran buildings? |
| 13:56.16 | Phaos | naww |
| 13:56.22 | Phaos | like a raw "zap" sound |
| 13:56.29 | tordecybombo | hey s3rius would hashing before encrypting also work? |
| 13:56.34 | Phaos | like short circut |
| 13:56.36 | Phaos | or uhhh |
| 13:56.48 | s3rius | Yes, you can use hashing at any point |
| 13:56.50 | Phaos | telsa coil :P |
| 13:56.53 | tordecybombo | oh excellent |
| 13:56.55 | s3rius | you can even use it several times |
| 13:57.06 | s3rius | just make sure that you un-hash at the right point too (reverse order) |
| 13:57.13 | tordecybombo | because for encrypting, the key im using involves the player's name |
| 13:57.20 | Vulfe | Why is the Hercules emissive |
| 13:57.23 | Vulfe | wtf -_- |
| 13:57.27 | s3rius | eh, you can't get the player's name as a string |
| 13:57.48 | tordecybombo | what |
| 13:57.50 | s3rius | and texts can't be used as encryption keys because you can't read their content |
| 13:58.01 | tordecybombo | noooooooooo! |
| 13:58.08 | tordecybombo | damn text to string |
| 13:58.12 | tordecybombo | why does it not exist!? |
| 13:58.15 | Phaos | I'm sure you can get the players name as a string.. I swear I have seen it done |
| 13:58.42 | s3rius | Phaos: You'd do the entire world a huge favor if you found it, but it's at least not in the list of native functions. |
| 13:58.57 | Phaos | :S |
| 13:59.05 | s3rius | And it doesn't exist because texts are localized and thus asynchronous. Strings need to by synched however. |
| 13:59.07 | tordecybombo | please do tell if you find it |
| 13:59.35 | tordecybombo | so how would I prevent swapping now? |
| 14:00.10 | s3rius | Well, that's a good question. |
| 14:00.23 | s3rius | Since you can't get ANY static information about a player... I guess you actually can't. |
| 14:00.37 | s3rius | What you can do is giving the player a random password which he has to enter |
| 14:00.42 | tordecybombo | :/ |
| 14:00.57 | s3rius | then at least you couldn't just swap banks, but also need to swap passwords. |
| 14:02.44 | Xackery | http://geeksaresexy.geeksaresexytech.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/cobwebs.jpg |
| 14:06.24 | tordecybombo | ^ |
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| 14:08.08 | Xackery | And for those of you who ever wondered how solar panels work. http://geeksaresexy.geeksaresexytech.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/solar2.jpg |
| 14:10.11 | Vulfe | http://i36.tinypic.com/2lswsnr.jpg |
| 14:10.12 | Vulfe | seemed logical |
| 14:11.16 | Xackery | is that gold? |
| 14:11.17 | Xackery | lol |
| 14:11.25 | Vulfe | lol |
| 14:11.34 | Xackery | Man, I need to sit down and learn how to use terrain editor better. |
| 14:11.35 | Vulfe | those colonist supply crates are so shiny |
| 14:11.36 | Vulfe | >.< |
| 14:11.44 | Xackery | Yeah, I thought they were bricks of gold. |
| 14:12.08 | Vulfe | lol |
| 14:12.24 | Vulfe | terraining is mostly about the creativity once you have the tools figured out |
| 14:12.41 | Vulfe | but it's practically the most important part of a map |
| 14:12.42 | Vulfe | at least one with depth |
| 14:12.45 | Xackery | Hate when I reload my map and get console messages like these: Warning: Orphaned trigger function call removed: Function Call 'Triggering Player' (Function Call, 951CB97D, Lib: 0) |
| 14:12.45 | Xackery | Warning: Invalid trigger element reference removed from Parameter Value 'Unknown' (Function Call, 951CB97D, Lib: 0) |
| 14:12.53 | tordecybombo | i'll never get terrain down :/ |
| 14:12.54 | Xackery | Why can't it just tell me the line number? |
| 14:13.00 | Xackery | so I can go fix it |
| 14:13.05 | tordecybombo | at least making awesome terrain |
| 14:13.06 | Nash | I have a town to design :G |
| 14:13.15 | Vulfe | I'll make terrain for you if you pay me |
| 14:13.18 | Vulfe | but you won't pay me |
| 14:13.25 | Xackery | i'll pay you with internetz |
| 14:13.58 | Pinzu | xackery, im going insane when trying to convert the system to a 2d arry string... |
| 14:14.01 | Vulfe | wtf is this black box below my pallet x.x |
| 14:14.16 | Xackery | Aw pinzu |
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| 14:24.31 | tordecybombo | well at least people cant edit the bank |
| 14:24.58 | tordecybombo | or if they do, there's a 1/8100 chance that it'll screw up something |
| 14:25.29 | tordecybombo | most of the bank information is statistics |
| 14:25.35 | tordecybombo | so it's no biggie atm |
| 14:25.52 | Nash | it's a Tupac? |
| 14:25.54 | RodOfNOD | what do u mean tordecybombo? |
| 14:25.55 | Vulfe | Mixture of ginger ale and cranberry juice = win |
| 14:26.03 | tordecybombo | banks |
| 14:26.24 | RodOfNOD | yes what about em? |
| 14:26.32 | tordecybombo | you cant prevent swapping :/ |
| 14:26.39 | tordecybombo | since you cant get the player's name as a string |
| 14:26.49 | RodOfNOD | hehe |
| 14:26.59 | RodOfNOD | well u could ask the player their name and then store that |
| 14:27.00 | s3rius | yea the good old problem |
| 14:27.10 | RodOfNOD | and then when the player plays name the UNIT name to be that player |
| 14:27.14 | s3rius | And what prevents them of lying? :P |
| 14:27.21 | tordecybombo | ^ |
| 14:27.24 | RodOfNOD | and then poeople could look up the scoreboard and see that the player name doesnt match |
| 14:27.30 | RodOfNOD | and then have a group ban feature |
| 14:27.54 | RodOfNOD | silence..... |
| 14:28.03 | Vulfe | too faulty |
| 14:28.03 | Xackery | You can't get a player's name as a string? |
| 14:28.04 | Vulfe | : ( |
| 14:28.05 | Xackery | really.. |
| 14:28.12 | Nash | too much effort to prevent cheating |
| 14:28.12 | RodOfNOD | why is it faulty |
| 14:28.15 | RodOfNOD | lol |
| 14:28.20 | Vulfe | ... |
| 14:28.21 | RodOfNOD | take me like 5 minutes |
| 14:28.25 | Vulfe | You're asking for a name |
| 14:28.28 | Vulfe | instead of taking it |
| 14:28.29 | Vulfe | that's why |
| 14:28.34 | Nash | if people want to cheat and ruin their own game, meh :G |
| 14:28.37 | RodOfNOD | its what u can do is it perfect no |
| 14:28.41 | RodOfNOD | but it would work |
| 14:28.53 | tordecybombo | nah because it's a multiplayer game and i want people to earn their progress :x |
| 14:28.54 | s3rius | The point is that they can also ruin other people's games. And that's what I don't like about it. |
| 14:29.12 | RodOfNOD | do what u can |
| 14:29.13 | RodOfNOD | simple |
| 14:29.17 | Nash | GRIND MOAR |
| 14:29.33 | tordecybombo | uh oh spaghettios |
| 14:29.42 | RodOfNOD | if u could get a persons name then they will just use a spoof hack eventually then u haev same problem |
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| 14:29.58 | s3rius | First of all people will have to develop such a spoof hack first |
| 14:30.06 | RodOfNOD | be funny if multiple people used the same file :> |
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| 14:30.18 | RodOfNOD | i have seen mention of it already been used |
| 14:30.19 | tordecybombo | well at least that'll take a lot longer developing the hack than just anyone swapping |
| 14:30.30 | s3rius | In warcraft I remember games with 3 people having the same name and using the same save code lol |
| 14:30.41 | Vulfe | I wish we had GetLocalPlayer |
| 14:30.42 | Vulfe | raaage |
| 14:30.51 | RodOfNOD | why do u need it Vulfe? |
| 14:30.52 | s3rius | GLP wouldn't even work |
| 14:30.57 | s3rius | for most things, that is |
| 14:31.10 | Vulfe | well, in my case |
| 14:31.14 | Vulfe | I guess it wouldn't really help |
| 14:31.18 | RodOfNOD | lol |
| 14:31.19 | Vulfe | but localized lighting would be nice |
| 14:31.22 | RodOfNOD | thats why i was asking |
| 14:31.43 | RodOfNOD | changing a unit locally tint might be nice |
| 14:31.48 | Vulfe | that too |
| 14:31.53 | Vulfe | and halo |
| 14:31.56 | s3rius | or creating an actor for just one player |
| 14:32.07 | Vulfe | yeh |
| 14:32.08 | RodOfNOD | hmm |
| 14:32.17 | Vulfe | mostly visual and aural things |
| 14:32.17 | RodOfNOD | u couldnt do that in wc3 so..... |
| 14:32.17 | Vulfe | tbh |
| 14:32.18 | s3rius | I always wanted to place drugs in my maps, then when people use them they start seeing units that aren't there :D |
| 14:32.30 | RodOfNOD | u cant use local player for ANYTHING that can be "tested" |
| 14:32.30 | Vulfe | banned |
| 14:32.37 | s3rius | But in Warcraft we didn't have actors |
| 14:32.44 | Vulfe | Actors don't actually exist |
| 14:32.48 | s3rius | actors seem like they don't need synchronization for the most part |
| 14:32.48 | Vulfe | so they would be fine |
| 14:32.57 | RodOfNOD | actors plkaced in sc2 are i believe basically doodads |
| 14:33.00 | s3rius | the don't interact with much else |
| 14:33.02 | Vulfe | as long as you're placing an isolated actor |
| 14:33.04 | Vulfe | it doesn't matter |
| 14:33.10 | Vulfe | Well, RodOfNOD, doodads are actors |
| 14:33.11 | s3rius | they aren't doodads |
| 14:33.12 | Vulfe | but whatever |
| 14:33.25 | s3rius | they're a completely different kind of handle |
| 14:33.42 | s3rius | a doodad uses an actor |
| 14:33.46 | Vulfe | actors are just a visual effect |
| 14:33.52 | Vulfe | a doodad is just an actor and a collision |
| 14:33.53 | Vulfe | afaik |
| 14:34.11 | tordecybombo | so now what |
| 14:34.15 | s3rius | well, not exactly. there're more to a doodad than just collision |
| 14:34.17 | Nash | not all doodads have collision |
| 14:34.36 | s3rius | Well, collision of 0 means no collision. Still they have a collision value ^ |
| 14:34.38 | s3rius | ^^* |
| 14:34.50 | Xackery | XD |
| 14:35.03 | Vulfe | what else could a doodad have |
| 14:35.08 | Vulfe | besides actor and collision? |
| 14:35.14 | Vulfe | footprint? |
| 14:35.43 | Nash | doodads can block pathing, sight, creep |
| 14:36.06 | s3rius | A minimap icon =) |
| 14:36.12 | Vulfe | lol |
| 14:36.19 | Vulfe | fine : \ |
| 14:36.50 | s3rius | It's a little bit annoying that most of the doodads are acutally in the actor category |
| 14:36.51 | Vulfe | I need to import a black dirt-type texture into this map... |
| 14:37.00 | s3rius | expect of the destructibles which now count as units >.< |
| 14:37.06 | RodOfNOD | intesting... as far as i can tell actors do not have any "test" via trigger so yes u should be able to get local if they had it |
| 14:37.23 | Vulfe | why should they have a test though |
| 14:37.31 | Vulfe | it's just a visual effect |
| 14:37.32 | Vulfe | x.x |
| 14:37.32 | RodOfNOD | does actor exist? |
| 14:37.42 | RodOfNOD | what animation is playing? |
| 14:37.51 | s3rius | yea lighting, fog, actors are all things that don't need to interact with other players. |
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| 14:38.00 | Vulfe | actors do not actually exist in the fake world of starcraft 2 |
| 14:38.05 | Vulfe | they just manifest the metaphysical |
| 14:38.06 | Vulfe | DUH |
| 14:38.13 | s3rius | There is no spoon. |
| 14:38.26 | Vulfe | indeed |
| 14:38.44 | Helral | proofs Vulfe wrong by creating a "fake world of starcraft 2" in the real world. XD |
| 14:38.50 | Nash | there's a rainbow |
| 14:39.26 | RodOfNOD | hmm ok maybe this might cause a local to fail: make unit look at actor |
| 14:39.46 | Phaos | world of starcraft. moar leik world of dumb craft amirite |
| 14:39.52 | s3rius | There's more stuff that would fail |
| 14:40.01 | tordecybombo | dimaga wins against terran |
| 14:40.04 | RodOfNOD | like? |
| 14:40.07 | tordecybombo | i love |
| 14:40.28 | s3rius | Trying to get any kind of information from the actor |
| 14:40.34 | RodOfNOD | lol |
| 14:40.34 | s3rius | or sending information to the actor |
| 14:40.39 | RodOfNOD | like? thats what i just told u |
| 14:40.40 | s3rius | would all need to be done locally |
| 14:40.50 | Vulfe | if you desync your game |
| 14:40.51 | RodOfNOD | the rule in wc3 was simple |
| 14:40.52 | Vulfe | it's your fault |
| 14:40.56 | s3rius | ^^ yea lol |
| 14:40.57 | RodOfNOD | if u can ASK for the info u cant use it |
| 14:41.06 | Vulfe | but if it's in triggers |
| 14:41.09 | tordecybombo | in wc3 you can save player names? |
| 14:41.14 | RodOfNOD | yes |
| 14:41.14 | Vulfe | then you, the mapmaker, decide whether or not it can be tested |
| 14:41.15 | Vulfe | lol |
| 14:41.15 | s3rius | yes |
| 14:41.18 | tordecybombo | not fair! |
| 14:41.20 | tordecybombo | :( |
| 14:41.39 | RodOfNOD | im explaining blizzard apparant rules not logic Vulfe |
| 14:41.41 | s3rius | Galaxy Editor isn't exactly a step in the right direction |
| 14:41.57 | RodOfNOD | in what way s3rius? |
| 14:42.03 | RodOfNOD | GE is 10x what WE was |
| 14:42.09 | tordecybombo | i didnt use wc3's editor |
| 14:42.17 | s3rius | In a lot of aspects the GE is great |
| 14:42.17 | tordecybombo | i went from sc1's editor straight to sc2's |
| 14:42.18 | Nash | Compare it to StarEdit D_D |
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| 14:42.22 | tordecybombo | it was kinda overwhelming :4 |
| 14:42.35 | s3rius | but it's sad to see that there's stuff the Wc3 editor can do, which is impossible in SC2 |
| 14:42.42 | tordecybombo | yesssss |
| 14:42.46 | RodOfNOD | well WE would be welling for a SE1 modder |
| 14:42.50 | Bifuu|X | 4 hours of sleep isn't enough aaaaahhhhhhhhhh |
| 14:42.52 | s3rius | GLP is one example (although people used to exploit the hell out of it) |
| 14:42.58 | Vulfe | WE got some of its functions after release |
| 14:43.00 | Vulfe | keep that in mind |
| 14:43.07 | RodOfNOD | of course |
| 14:43.08 | Vulfe | it's still sad though |
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| 14:43.11 | Vulfe | lol |
| 14:43.15 | s3rius | Sure, there was a ton of stuff when Frozen Throne was released |
| 14:43.18 | RodOfNOD | something as simple as give a unit no collision is missing |
| 14:43.26 | s3rius | and GetHandleID and data tables are basically brand new |
| 14:43.38 | s3rius | still, why not have these kind of things in SC2 immediately |
| 14:43.42 | Vulfe | HandleID would be so useful for SC2 |
| 14:43.44 | Vulfe | x.x |
| 14:43.47 | s3rius | Yesyes |
| 14:43.47 | RodOfNOD | the biggest thing missing is u cannot get a handleid |
| 14:43.52 | s3rius | Making good indexing systems |
| 14:44.02 | s3rius | getting around the need of DYNAMIC FKING MEMORY |
| 14:44.12 | Vulfe | right now SC2 is like "if you don't assign it a custom value, all the units are the same" |
| 14:44.14 | Vulfe | and I hate that x.x |
| 14:44.21 | RodOfNOD | i dont even care if its a handle id i just want a unique integer |
| 14:44.36 | s3rius | well, that's what a handle id is |
| 14:44.48 | RodOfNOD | well in wc3 it was the actual handle |
| 14:45.04 | RodOfNOD | we dont need the actual handle we just need unique integer |
| 14:45.10 | tordecybombo | i havent really coded in galaxy editor, no dynamic memory, so you cant change size of arrays? |
| 14:45.18 | RodOfNOD | why do u need to |
| 14:45.21 | RodOfNOD | i hear that ? alot |
| 14:45.25 | RodOfNOD | i see no real reason to have that |
| 14:45.32 | s3rius | actually arrays didn't have sizes in wc3 |
| 14:45.39 | s3rius | they all had a max of 81xx |
| 14:45.43 | tordecybombo | arrays in wc3 were all set to max right? |
| 14:45.46 | RodOfNOD | they arwerw all 8k |
| 14:45.48 | s3rius | there was nothing like a 2mb map limit |
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| 14:46.04 | Vulfe | 4MB map limit |
| 14:46.05 | Vulfe | was killer |
| 14:46.07 | s3rius | another critical fail of the sc2 editor - the 2mb pointer limit |
| 14:46.21 | Vulfe | why limit that -_- |
| 14:46.27 | RodOfNOD | thats no the editors fault thats the engines fault |
| 14:46.30 | redmarine | Blizzard changed it to 8 |
| 14:46.33 | redmarine | mb |
| 14:46.35 | s3rius | It's a design flaw, it's not an arbitrary limit |
| 14:46.42 | RodOfNOD | i agree |
| 14:46.50 | tordecybombo | i want idra to rage on stage: http://sc2.tv/ |
| 14:46.58 | s3rius | Yea blizzard changed it to 8mb so icefrog would have his fun |
| 14:47.04 | Vulfe | basically |
| 14:47.11 | s3rius | IDRA NERD RAGE FTW |
| 14:47.17 | s3rius | TERRAN IMBA OLOL etc pp |
| 14:47.21 | Vulfe | anyone going to MLG Raleigh? :\ |
| 14:47.40 | RodOfNOD | i dont understand how anyone trademarks DOTA but the original map maker |
| 14:47.44 | s3rius | too far away - on the other side of the world >.< |
| 14:47.49 | Bifuu|X | I was |
| 14:47.53 | Fromethius | ew.. what is this octo plug-in? is it any good? |
| 14:47.55 | RodOfNOD | and they cant cuz its already public |
| 14:47.59 | s3rius | well, the original map maker works for valve |
| 14:48.07 | s3rius | and valve trademarked it by just .. well buying it |
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| 14:48.12 | Vulfe | Blizzard owns DotA but they're not stupid enough to enforce that |
| 14:48.13 | Bifuu|X | But then work was like" lol your working" |
| 14:48.16 | RodOfNOD | well its too late |
| 14:48.25 | RodOfNOD | the original map maker didnt ever protect his name |
| 14:48.40 | RodOfNOD | and there is that issue vulfe |
| 14:48.54 | Vulfe | Well |
| 14:49.04 | RodOfNOD | if blizzard isnt stupid enough to do something about that they will lose other battles |
| 14:49.05 | Vulfe | The license agreement probably wouldn't hold much weight in court |
| 14:49.23 | Vulfe | so it's not worth fighting for in the first place |
| 14:49.24 | s3rius | First of all EULA's have been proved wrong in curt before |
| 14:49.29 | RodOfNOD | of course |
| 14:49.35 | s3rius | secondly they don't have the rights on the IDEA, just on the map |
| 14:49.39 | s3rius | the IP is still yours |
| 14:49.41 | Vulfe | that too |
| 14:49.41 | RodOfNOD | i have been saying for 3 months that it doesnt mattter |
| 14:49.59 | s3rius | Well, I wouldn't take the EULA lightly |
| 14:50.03 | RodOfNOD | what the eula says |
| 14:50.04 | s3rius | they can still sue your ass |
| 14:50.07 | RodOfNOD | in this regard |
| 14:50.13 | s3rius | and YOU have to find a way out of that then. |
| 14:50.13 | RodOfNOD | and i can sue back |
| 14:50.37 | s3rius | Also, not everything in the EULA is "illegal" |
| 14:50.42 | Vulfe | well, if Blizzard is planning on letting people sell their maps, then the EULA is hardly limiting at all |
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| 14:50.54 | s3rius | the salvatoric paragraph says that, even if a part is wrong, the rest is still in effect |
| 14:50.55 | RodOfNOD | talking only about who has rights to what s3rius |
| 14:51.01 | s3rius | so I don't think you could sue them back |
| 14:51.23 | RodOfNOD | once blizzard said we could make money on this shit |
| 14:51.28 | s3rius | Yea still you have to win first. |
| 14:51.29 | RodOfNOD | they opened themselves up |
| 14:51.32 | RodOfNOD | of course |
| 14:51.35 | s3rius | That's often a matter of who got more money and more stamina |
| 14:51.37 | RodOfNOD | didnt say it was easy |
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| 14:51.41 | s3rius | and that's often the company >.< |
| 14:51.45 | RodOfNOD | i have enough to have fun |
| 14:52.10 | RodOfNOD | but that is besides the point |
| 14:52.17 | RodOfNOD | back to my ? about trademark |
| 14:52.17 | Vulfe | Okay |
| 14:52.26 | RodOfNOD | how can u trademark something that is basically public |
| 14:52.30 | Vulfe | So if you're on this asteroid thing, what do you see when you look out the window on the ground |
| 14:52.31 | Vulfe | pow |
| 14:53.40 | RodOfNOD | i have trademarked my game name but i did it from the beginning |
| 14:54.15 | s3rius | does your name have anything to do with the hand of nod? ^^ |
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| 14:55.01 | RodOfNOD | but of course |
| 14:55.23 | RodOfNOD | talking about the map i made not my name although i have also trademarked that |
| 14:55.47 | s3rius | Woudn't that be awesome |
| 14:55.55 | RodOfNOD | ? |
| 14:56.16 | s3rius | You can send a micro payment to Blizzard and they "license" your name on battlenet |
| 14:56.23 | s3rius | and everyone with a different name has to switch xD |
| 14:56.27 | RodOfNOD | hehe |
| 14:56.34 | RodOfNOD | i dont get why they support multiple people |
| 14:56.47 | RodOfNOD | what is the purpose behind that |
| 14:56.51 | s3rius | Well, it's not so bad. |
| 14:57.08 | RodOfNOD | why is it good? |
| 14:57.12 | s3rius | You have to choose one name and can't just change it. So they wanted to prevent that people aren't allowed to pick their favorite |
| 14:57.29 | s3rius | I'm kind of indifferent. I think both systems have pros and cons |
| 14:57.45 | s3rius | What I like is that you can't simply name-change and make new accounts |
| 14:58.54 | RodOfNOD | i just want unique names |
| 14:59.09 | RodOfNOD | i agree in the end 1 name is best |
| 14:59.16 | RodOfNOD | but it means i cnat hunt hackers as easy |
| 14:59.19 | s3rius | And I want numbers being able to be used in names. :x |
| 14:59.50 | RodOfNOD | i wish bliz would have fixed map hackers |
| 15:00.43 | s3rius | ye |
| 15:00.48 | s3rius | so much blizz needs to do |
| 15:01.12 | s3rius | channels, clans, bug fixes, hacks, custom game (list), and so on |
| 15:01.33 | s3rius | all the broken map editor things too >.< |
| 15:01.46 | Clord | yeah minerals suddenly turn to battlecruisers and wastes base |
| 15:01.47 | Clord | ^^ |
| 15:01.58 | Clord | wastes |
| 15:02.45 | RodOfNOD | ? |
| 15:02.53 | Helral | meows |
| 15:03.16 | Nash | KITTUNS |
| 15:03.18 | s3rius | barks |
| 15:03.23 | Vail|bed | i just want to be able to test mods again ... |
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| 15:04.02 | RodOfNOD | mods dont work? |
| 15:04.13 | Vulfe | I think |
| 15:04.16 | Vulfe | Blizzard needs to |
| 15:04.20 | Vulfe | DO EVERYTHING |
| 15:04.32 | SycoPrime | Like google? |
| 15:04.43 | Clord | RodOfNOD... that is called hacking |
| 15:04.53 | Clord | changing even such things as minerals to another unit |
| 15:04.56 | s3rius | you don't turn minerals into battlecruisers |
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| 15:05.02 | Clord | in Warcraft III suck hacks was quite famous XD |
| 15:05.12 | s3rius | drop hacks were evil |
| 15:05.15 | Clord | suddenly gold mine turns to farm |
| 15:05.15 | s3rius | lol |
| 15:05.24 | RodOfNOD | drop hacks are why im for capital punishment of hackers |
| 15:05.26 | Clord | yes you do... with hacks |
| 15:05.30 | Clord | you can turn them whatever |
| 15:05.33 | Clord | once made |
| 15:05.50 | Alcoholix | howdy folks |
| 15:06.45 | RodOfNOD | hi |
| 15:07.00 | SycoPrime | Can someone provide me with the name of a melee unit that requires an upgrade in order to be built? |
| 15:07.25 | Clord | ultralisk |
| 15:07.33 | Clord | XD |
| 15:07.43 | Clord | there is not exactly upgrade requiring units |
| 15:07.48 | SycoPrime | Ultralisk requires a building, not an upgrade :/ |
| 15:08.06 | RodOfNOD | i cant think of one but im not a sc2 melee expert yet |
| 15:08.11 | Clord | there is no such thing in official balance as unit what needs upgrade to be able to be built... but it can be done quite likely :) |
| 15:08.21 | SycoPrime | Well, I was hoping to look at predator, but my factory is apparently set to Melee and not campaign, and I'm not sure if I can change the source for that one unit. |
| 15:08.25 | Clord | oh I thought he meant... melee unit as melee unit |
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| 15:08.28 | Clord | ^^ |
| 15:08.38 | Clord | like zealot lol |
| 15:08.44 | SycoPrime | Haha |
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| 15:08.58 | molster_ | morning everyone |
| 15:09.09 | RodOfNOD | u can change anything u want if ur making custom map SycoPrime |
| 15:09.11 | RodOfNOD | morn |
| 15:09.15 | SycoPrime | No, just trying to create a unit that requires an upgrade to be built, and my dependancies appear to be as such that I can't look at campaign buildings :/ |
| 15:09.20 | Clord | evening ^^ |
| 15:09.24 | Clord | lol |
| 15:09.28 | SycoPrime | Morning molester. |
| 15:09.34 | Clord | lol |
| 15:09.36 | Clord | that is harsh |
| 15:09.36 | molster_ | no e >.< |
| 15:09.56 | SycoPrime | RodOfNOD, I know, but I can't get it to work right, so I was hoping to see how Blizz did it. |
| 15:09.57 | molster_ | syco, have you added the campaign ones to the top of your dependancies list/ |
| 15:10.11 | SycoPrime | Not the top of it. |
| 15:10.21 | Clord | that should be so posted to some site where people submit chat stuff |
| 15:10.22 | Clord | ^^ |
| 15:10.23 | molster_ | set them at the top, its a bug thats been around with the edtor |
| 15:10.31 | SycoPrime | But I'd rather not overwrite all units with their campaign forms, I'd eventually like to get some AI working in the map. |
| 15:10.44 | molster_ | whichever dependency is at the top, gets priority |
| 15:10.55 | SycoPrime | Indeed. |
| 15:11.12 | Clord | AI handles campaign units too |
| 15:11.22 | Helral | Morning Molestr |
| 15:11.38 | molster_ | -sigh- |
| 15:11.41 | Helral | :P |
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| 15:11.45 | molster_ | lol |
| 15:11.48 | tordecybombo | demuslin |
| 15:11.50 | tordecybombo | m |
| 15:11.59 | Helral | ow wait lemme do it correctly. |
| 15:12.33 | SycoPrime | haha |
| 15:12.35 | Helral | who ar you doing molstr? hop popl arn't bing annoying for you XD |
| 15:12.40 | Helral | how* |
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| 15:13.03 | RodOfNOD | Helral u need to go back to your catnap |
| 15:13.12 | SycoPrime | Okay, so I moved Campaign to the top of the dependancy list, and factory still provides no option to build Predators :/ |
| 15:13.15 | Helral | I removed all the e's as molstr said. |
| 15:13.30 | RodOfNOD | u would have to add them SycoPrime |
| 15:13.37 | RodOfNOD | oooh |
| 15:13.42 | RodOfNOD | then u are on fire |
| 15:13.54 | SycoPrime | ? |
| 15:13.58 | Helral | SycoPrime: did you check the dependencies? |
| 15:14.02 | rooj | predators are cool |
| 15:14.08 | rooj | its lame theyre not in melee |
| 15:14.11 | molster_ | haha |
| 15:14.14 | SycoPrime | Helral, what do you mean? |
| 15:14.15 | Helral | the requirements I meant* |
| 15:14.15 | molster_ | I hate this name sometimes |
| 15:14.17 | rooj | although it seems like something protoss would have instead |
| 15:14.25 | rooj | or maybe the zerg |
| 15:14.36 | rooj | terrans got SO MUCH stuff in the campaign |
| 15:14.42 | SycoPrime | Helral: I'm trying to copy requirements >< I can't see it in the editor. |
| 15:14.44 | rooj | i hope the same happens for zerg and protoss in the expansions |
| 15:14.52 | RodOfNOD | its the TERRAN campaign? |
| 15:15.03 | SycoPrime | rooj: I'm sure Zerg/Toss will get quite the plethora in their respective campaigns. |
| 15:15.10 | Helral | the show requirement for the Predators? or they missing in the data? |
| 15:15.16 | tordecybombo | the |
| 15:15.27 | rooj | yeah i'm sure they will but |
| 15:15.57 | rooj | it would be fun to play melee with all the stuff |
| 15:16.03 | rooj | but it'd be unfair on terrans side |
| 15:16.12 | tordecybombo | that's rigt |
| 15:16.15 | rooj | is there any ETA on heart of the swarm? |
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| 15:17.03 | Helral | hey vjeux |
| 15:17.13 | vjeux | hey |
| 15:17.29 | Helral | owww it responded. |
| 15:17.32 | Helral | :P |
| 15:18.08 | vjeux | yeah |
| 15:18.14 | vjeux | i've got 40 pms in my inbox lol |
| 15:18.21 | vjeux | moderators are spammers! :P |
| 15:18.36 | Helral | vjeux: I'm the source of one of the 40 pm's XD |
| 15:18.55 | s3rius | Hehe |
| 15:18.57 | vjeux | then you'll be banned! :p |
| 15:19.22 | s3rius | Well, what do your expect when you post it on the frontpage |
| 15:19.28 | Helral | pah, then I shouldn't have send my moderator joining stuff :P |
| 15:19.36 | tordecybombo | i wish s3rius and vjeux were here at the same time because then we can discuss some crazy in-depth stuff about the editor. |
| 15:19.53 | s3rius | you should've made a topic in all secrecy and only those who stalk the forums enough to find it would be accepted as mods |
| 15:19.54 | s3rius | :) |
| 15:20.01 | Helral | lol |
| 15:20.19 | vjeux | what were you talking about where i could help? :) |
| 15:20.31 | s3rius | We already did, tordec. That was the birthday of Starcode ^.^ |
| 15:20.36 | Helral | just hide in one of my posts and nobody would find it, s3rius. |
| 15:20.45 | s3rius | lol |
| 15:23.25 | molster_ | lol |
| 15:23.38 | tordecybombo | what's the best way to get a unit to change to random targets within his scan range after every attack? |
| 15:24.50 | tordecybombo | no one answered me in the map dev forum :( |
| 15:25.03 | molster_ | I wouldnt know "best way" id make a search effect on him, attacks someone, then searches again, and attacks another..ect might have to put a beha on a person you attacked so he wont attack the same again. |
| 15:25.11 | SycoPrime | I hate upgrades :( |
| 15:25.38 | molster_ | ! upgrade your feelings on upgrades! they are.... i dont like em either =P |
| 15:25.42 | tordecybombo | but i think the search effect has priority on certain targets |
| 15:25.53 | molster_ | it does yes, but you can switch that |
| 15:25.58 | SycoPrime | tordecybombo: Didn't someone suggest last time having a unit group of has available targets, and using a random number to select randomly in the unit group? |
| 15:26.03 | molster_ | prozaic made a sweet tut on how to do that |
| 15:26.15 | molster_ | that would work 2! |
| 15:26.38 | tordecybombo | yea he did but i'd imagine that'd lag like crazy if the attack is really fast or there's multiple units with this type of attack |
| 15:26.52 | molster_ | nah that wouldnt have much lag. |
| 15:26.59 | Tofu | If you publish a map in EU can the US use it too? |
| 15:26.59 | tordecybombo | does it create a unit group every time? |
| 15:27.08 | molster_ | no, someone from US would have to upload it |
| 15:27.15 | s3rius | @tofu no |
| 15:27.16 | Tofu | sux to be yoU! |
| 15:27.24 | SycoPrime | Is there any way to debug a requirement? Basically write a boolean of if it's succeeding to the screen? |
| 15:27.43 | s3rius | unit groups get recycled, if I remember correctly. So no garbage being left. |
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| 15:28.59 | Otixa | You guys are like coconuts |
| 15:29.12 | Otixa | Hard, unshaved and full of shitty milk >:[ |
| 15:29.21 | molster_ | ! i dont like coconuts... so is that a bad thing |
| 15:29.27 | tordecybombo | so using triggers, create a unit group filter enemies from circular region w/ center at unit and radius of scan range? |
| 15:29.33 | tordecybombo | what |
| 15:29.38 | Otixa | Yes, molester >:| |
| 15:30.10 | s3rius | Wait wait.. otixa.. you're just trying to insult someone over the internet?? |
| 15:30.27 | tordecybombo | unit groups will be recycled when nothing's referencing it [][]][][][[][][][][][][][] |
| 15:30.29 | Otixa | Notrly |
| 15:30.35 | Otixa | It's my version of "hello" |
| 15:30.52 | molster_ | whats with people and that E |
| 15:30.54 | tordecybombo | sweet bro |
| 15:31.05 | SycoPrime | Otixa: Not all of us are unshaved. |
| 15:31.20 | molster_ | I still like the idea of a search effect on the unit.. |
| 15:31.39 | SycoPrime | molster: Our minds fill in what we want to see. |
| 15:31.47 | Otixa | SycoPrime, you're still hard and full of shitty milk >:[ |
| 15:32.03 | Otixa | Actually, that sounds very wrong |
| 15:32.09 | Otixa | resumes watching TV |
| 15:32.11 | SycoPrime | *Nods* |
| 15:32.34 | tordecybombo | i wouldn't mind having a free Intel Core-i7 980-X |
| 15:32.48 | rooj | me too |
| 15:32.50 | rooj | give me one |
| 15:33.16 | tordecybombo | i mean it's only $1000 |
| 15:33.30 | tordecybombo | they're giving them away at the Intel Extreme Tournament :x |
| 15:36.16 | tordecybombo | random giveaway wooo": http://sc2.tv/ |
| 15:36.29 | RodOfNOD | hands rooj and tordecybombo both a free intel core-i7 980-x |
| 15:36.38 | tordecybombo | :) |
| 15:37.24 | molster_ | does anyone know how to send a string var when you want to send a settext actor msg? |
| 15:37.25 | tordecybombo | i'm surprised there's so few asians in the audience |
| 15:37.34 | tordecybombo | actually i dont see any |
| 15:37.36 | molster_ | the text limit in the edit field is annoying as crap |
| 15:38.04 | vjeux | omg they are speaking german :X |
| 15:38.20 | molster_ | o.0 |
| 15:39.10 | SycoPrime | molster: Easiest way I know is to just convert the one line to custom, and just force the string variable on it. |
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| 15:39.57 | SycoPrime | Tordecy: They have a starcraft channel on the regular television. |
| 15:39.58 | tordecybombo | game on |
| 15:40.25 | tordecybombo | needs to be more zerg players in tournies :x |
| 15:40.30 | tordecybombo | i think only dimaga and idra are the ones there |
| 15:40.35 | tordecybombo | so im rootin for them |
| 15:40.48 | Vail | gah SO close to my toxic creep work around |
| 15:41.03 | tordecybombo | creep that deals dmage? |
| 15:42.04 | SycoPrime | Okay, so, I have definitely confirmed that the upgrade is at level 1. And the ability which trains the unit is where I set the requirement to go. Yet the button isn't showing up, even to tell me that I need X upgrade >< |
| 15:42.13 | Zarakk | Greetings ladies and jellyspoons! |
| 15:42.18 | SycoPrime | Is there a tutorial on creating requirements/upgrades? I only found them on taking it away. |
| 15:42.45 | tordecybombo | so if i want an upgrade with 100 levels, each with different descriptions, do i have to make 100 different upgrades!? |
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| 15:43.21 | tordecybombo | or at least by different description i mean some part of it is different |
| 15:43.24 | tordecybombo | :x |
| 15:43.43 | tordecybombo | oh gosh progammer is here too :4 |
| 15:43.59 | SycoPrime | tordecy: Maybe; I haven't looked into whether or not we can drop variables into descriptions. Could in WC3. |
| 15:44.13 | tordecybombo | could've sworn you could |
| 15:44.19 | SycoPrime | Might also be possible to use triggers to force the description to update, and just have the triggers handle the variables. |
| 15:44.40 | tordecybombo | at least i remember in beta, i remember reading a few parts where the description references something else in the data eidtor |
| 15:45.04 | Helral | vjeux: who are? |
| 15:45.30 | Helral | hmmmm that sounds out of place like that... |
| 15:46.25 | tordecybombo | day9 casting intel extreme masters gogogog: http://sc2.tv/ |
| 15:47.14 | tordecybombo | i got spoiled by day9, it's a lot harder to watch an sc2 if day9 isn't casting :/ |
| 15:48.10 | Vail | yes creep that does damage sorta |
| 15:51.13 | SycoPrime | Do I use "Set Player Difficulty" against Human or AI players? |
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| 16:00.09 | rooj | oh i got a free intil core i7 while i was afk |
| 16:00.11 | rooj | word |
| 16:00.37 | Nesetalis | O.o |
| 16:00.48 | Nesetalis | i want a free i7.. |
| 16:03.02 | Tofu | How do Dialogs affect actions? Can I get around it? |
| 16:03.08 | Tofu | I have a reveal area |
| 16:03.12 | Tofu | was working fine |
| 16:03.18 | Tofu | now I have a dialog ontop |
| 16:03.24 | Tofu | its no longer working |
| 16:03.43 | Tofu | solutions? |
| 16:03.54 | Nesetalis | show code? |
| 16:03.55 | Nesetalis | :p |
| 16:04.46 | Tofu | how would I do that? |
| 16:05.02 | Tofu | copy pasta is no work. |
| 16:05.09 | A1win | "copy as text" |
| 16:05.19 | Tofu | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:05.28 | Nesetalis | the whole thing :p |
| 16:05.38 | Nesetalis | and in to pastebin |
| 16:05.51 | A1win | http://www.pastebin.org/ |
| 16:06.32 | Tofu | its just 3 lines |
| 16:06.43 | RodOfNOD | so? |
| 16:06.48 | RodOfNOD | dont plug up the chat box |
| 16:07.02 | Nesetalis | it has to be more than 3 lines |
| 16:07.05 | Tofu | nope. |
| 16:07.08 | Tofu | its 3 lines |
| 16:07.09 | Nesetalis | each function is atleast 3 lines :p |
| 16:07.16 | Nesetalis | plus whatever functionality you add |
| 16:07.49 | Tofu | its literally: reveal area, call action; above dialog |
| 16:07.54 | Tofu | thats the whole thing |
| 16:08.10 | Tofu | the reveal works fine if I disable the action |
| 16:08.20 | Tofu | and the action shows the menu nps |
| 16:08.41 | Tofu | I had a similar thing with showing a timer |
| 16:08.50 | Tofu | while a dialog was open |
| 16:11.55 | RodOfNOD | just paste the trigger there and we can look |
| 16:12.07 | Tofu | http://pastebin.org/614278 |
| 16:13.25 | RodOfNOD | and whats the issue? |
| 16:13.44 | Tofu | http://pastebin.org/614281 |
| 16:13.52 | Tofu | okies, so the second part is the trigger |
| 16:14.00 | Tofu | the first is the action that gets called at the end |
| 16:14.17 | Tofu | since I added the action (which makes a dialog) |
| 16:14.22 | Tofu | the reveal does not work |
| 16:15.15 | RodOfNOD | u have zerg and Zerg as variable names? |
| 16:15.57 | Tofu | as two independant internal variables yes |
| 16:16.13 | RodOfNOD | well if u go and look at raw data format |
| 16:16.19 | RodOfNOD | those can be treaded as the same |
| 16:16.27 | RodOfNOD | so i wouldnt recommend that as a practice in galaxy |
| 16:16.33 | Tofu | it works fine ty |
| 16:16.39 | Tofu | the issue is the reveal |
| 16:16.45 | Tofu | which was working fine |
| 16:17.03 | RodOfNOD | did u turn off what u changed to see if it still works fine? |
| 16:17.20 | Tofu | yes, it still works fine |
| 16:17.37 | RodOfNOD | but the diag call comes after? |
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| 16:17.58 | Tofu | the diag call is the diag.zergselection(Zerg) |
| 16:18.00 | Tofu | after the reveal |
| 16:18.11 | RodOfNOD | yes so ur saying u remove that and the revela works? |
| 16:18.16 | Tofu | yes |
| 16:19.00 | RodOfNOD | i would HIGHLY recommend u dont u se a . as that is also used for records |
| 16:20.27 | RodOfNOD | k well when u treat others as enemy and ally that will effect vision |
| 16:20.31 | RodOfNOD | what exactly is it doing wrong |
| 16:21.03 | Tofu | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:21.16 | Tofu | is no longer happening |
| 16:21.22 | RodOfNOD | ok try this |
| 16:21.32 | Vulfe | too much triggering in this room |
| 16:21.36 | RodOfNOD | do a wait of 5 secs before u call that first action |
| 16:21.36 | Vulfe | good thing I'm here. |
| 16:21.54 | RodOfNOD | then see if it really is the action fucking it up cuz it shouldnt |
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| 16:23.26 | rooj | has been ruining his rating all day |
| 16:23.27 | RodOfNOD | if u need a seperator for ur action names then use _ not . that . is really hard for me to read cuz it means record |
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| 16:25.14 | Tofu | no change |
| 16:25.27 | Tofu | 2 secs |
| 16:25.30 | RodOfNOD | so it doesnt work before the 5 secs? |
| 16:26.00 | RodOfNOD | or it works then stops working when the action fires? |
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| 16:26.59 | Vulfe | Is there any doodad that I can use as a railing? |
| 16:27.13 | rooj | there are fences and pipes heh |
| 16:28.30 | antares- | Vulfe, maybe shrink the chainlink fence? |
| 16:28.39 | Vulfe | Yeah, that's what I'm thinking antares |
| 16:28.40 | Vulfe | :D |
| 16:29.03 | rooj | there is one or two pipes i am thinking of that could work well also |
| 16:29.10 | rooj | but i dunno |
| 16:30.25 | Vulfe | All right.. |
| 16:30.26 | Vulfe | Then... |
| 16:30.30 | Vulfe | ITS TIME TO GET TO WORK |
| 16:30.33 | Vulfe | TERRAINING TIME |
| 16:30.38 | rooj | ugh |
| 16:30.40 | rooj | :P |
| 16:32.26 | Pinzu | xd |
| 16:32.26 | tordecybombo | are you gonna make terrain like you killed my childreN!? |
| 16:32.29 | Pinzu | ugh indeed |
| 16:34.35 | Helral | vjeux: did you survive looking through the PM's you received? |
| 16:35.11 | Tofu | @RodOfNod I think the reveal was working all along, but the visual effect was quite small given the camera position. The problem is elsewhere it seems. Ty for the help, the 5sec wait made it possible to notice the reveal dissapearing. |
| 16:35.26 | SycoPrime | Are there any worthwhile bitmap/heightmap -> Terrain generators? |
| 16:36.10 | Vulfe | there's the pay vulfe to make terrain for you generator |
| 16:36.15 | Vulfe | but it's currently broken |
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| 16:37.42 | SycoPrime | How broken and how much? |
| 16:37.54 | Otixa | stamps the infinity symbol on Vulfe's forehead |
| 16:38.22 | Vulfe | tbh I'm really bad at terraform anyway |
| 16:38.27 | Vulfe | I just do cliff levels >.> |
| 16:38.52 | RodOfNOD | Tofu that was my goal :> |
| 16:39.51 | tordecybombo | mutas!!!! |
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| 16:40.57 | Alexaz | what's the action to count the elements in array? |
| 16:43.51 | Vulfe | Time for srs terrain |
| 16:43.54 | Vulfe | :O |
| 16:46.03 | Nesetalis | blizzard's galaxy editor, proud to bring you the next generation of hacks that think they can code. |
| 16:46.22 | Vulfe | what's wrong this time |
| 16:46.23 | ZeroAme | lol |
| 16:46.24 | tordecybombo | :/ |
| 16:46.39 | Nesetalis | nothing, just popped in to my head |
| 16:46.49 | Nesetalis | the whole drop down menu thing is so silly :p |
| 16:46.52 | Nesetalis | er |
| 16:46.54 | Nesetalis | popup menu |
| 16:46.58 | Tofu | @RodOfNOD Found the issue. The problem was a spawn checker for the generated units was using some code I wrote last night referencing the dialog that I had not made yet. As soon as I made the dialog today it snapped together and went borked. |
| 16:47.10 | Tofu | yay. |
| 16:47.10 | Nesetalis | dropdowns with autocomplete, like any sane IDE would make sense.. :p |
| 16:47.48 | tordecybombo | is the chat events efficient enough to have lots? |
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| 16:48.11 | tordecybombo | like if you have 50+ triggers w/ chat entered event |
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| 16:48.23 | RodOfNOD | Tofu i hate bork |
| 16:48.35 | Nesetalis | try it on a test map tordecybombo.. make a hundred or so triggers of very simple types.. :p |
| 16:48.41 | tordecybombo | like it doesn't actually execute all of them right? |
| 16:48.46 | tordecybombo | it uses some sort of hashing |
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| 16:49.12 | RodOfNOD | if it fails to execute all the events just make ONE event and do a switch or IF THEN |
| 16:49.43 | RodOfNOD | Alexaz u have to keep track of that yourself |
| 16:49.52 | RodOfNOD | and it would be a function not an action :P |
| 16:49.57 | tordecybombo | one trigger w/ one event that's player types "" prtially |
| 16:49.58 | tordecybombo | ? |
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| 16:50.05 | tordecybombo | and then a switch statement? ;o |
| 16:50.07 | RodOfNOD | yes tordecybombo |
| 16:50.10 | RodOfNOD | that what i do |
| 16:50.19 | Nesetalis | same |
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| 16:50.33 | RodOfNOD | id recommend that for ANY event u can do so |
| 16:50.35 | Nesetalis | try to keep the ifs from getting too long.. nest as many as you can.. does less looping then. |
| 16:50.52 | RodOfNOD | or if u have long ifs make actions :P |
| 16:50.53 | tordecybombo | but doesnt that check every single condition too |
| 16:51.03 | tordecybombo | if you have like lots of ifs |
| 16:51.05 | RodOfNOD | sure but so does having 50 events |
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| 16:51.29 | RodOfNOD | it shouldnt actually LOOK at any IFS inside the swtiches |
| 16:51.33 | Nesetalis | say if you have a command character like / check if the first character is /, then start checking what the command is, if / is the first char |
| 16:51.40 | RodOfNOD | if it does then blizzard really has their heads up their asses |
| 16:51.55 | RodOfNOD | agreed |
| 16:51.57 | Vulfe | I hate how all of the floor textures are diagonal, and then blizzard designed the cliff levels like diagonals don't exist |
| 16:52.04 | tordecybombo | but worst case, it could still look at all the ifs if the none of them match |
| 16:52.06 | RodOfNOD | if u have command vs other typing split it into a IF THEN |
| 16:52.19 | tordecybombo | which is generally likely |
| 16:52.27 | RodOfNOD | it wont look inside any switches that do not qualify |
| 16:52.33 | Nesetalis | aye |
| 16:53.18 | RodOfNOD | i personally see very little use for -command chats now that we have dialogs |
| 16:53.30 | Nesetalis | complex commands with parsing |
| 16:53.31 | Nesetalis | :p |
| 16:53.34 | *** part/#sc2mapster Petoj (~Petoj87@h-186-121.A185.priv.bahnhof.se) |
| 16:53.39 | RodOfNOD | like? |
| 16:53.42 | Nesetalis | some things are just easier on the commandline. |
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| 16:53.49 | RodOfNOD | for typists |
| 16:53.52 | RodOfNOD | but not for most people |
| 16:54.04 | RodOfNOD | MindWorX` enters the room what DOOM WILL HE BRING! |
| 16:54.12 | Xaragoth | just put it under the F10 Menu and don't tell anybody ^^ |
| 16:54.16 | Xaragoth | we did that for custom keybindings |
| 16:54.17 | RodOfNOD | man i have so much RL work to do |
| 16:54.18 | tordecybombo | does the text box work yet? |
| 16:54.21 | RodOfNOD | nope |
| 16:54.25 | MindWorX` | I BRING COOKIE DOOM! |
| 16:54.29 | RodOfNOD | but mine does tordecybombo :> |
| 16:54.30 | MindWorX` | NO MORE COOKIES FOR ANYONE! |
| 16:54.37 | RodOfNOD | u bastad! |
| 16:54.43 | MindWorX` | BASTAD INDEED |
| 16:54.59 | RodOfNOD | sneaks a chocolate chip cookie behind MindWorX` back |
| 16:55.03 | RodOfNOD | hey when did u change ur name? |
| 16:55.12 | RodOfNOD | glad u did i hated typing that fucking char |
| 16:55.15 | MindWorX` | When someone pointed out this was easier :P |
| 16:55.58 | MindWorX` | Also, all cookies are poisoned unless you know the right two words |
| 16:56.05 | RodOfNOD | suck me? |
| 16:56.08 | RodOfNOD | bite me? |
| 16:56.10 | RodOfNOD | fuck you? |
| 16:56.13 | MindWorX` | Correct |
| 16:56.14 | RodOfNOD | MindWorX`rocks? |
| 16:56.21 | tordecybombo | like what if i want a player to do -trade x y? |
| 16:56.22 | MindWorX` | fuck you was the correct phrase |
| 16:56.26 | tordecybombo | what's the best way to with dialogs? |
| 16:56.30 | MindWorX` | How'd you know? |
| 16:56.35 | Vulfe | HOLY SHIT THIS LIGHT IS WERID |
| 16:56.36 | AsaPhelps | did PM post more tutorials yet? |
| 16:56.37 | Vulfe | WEIRD |
| 16:56.43 | RodOfNOD | why do u need that we have a built in dialog to do that tordecybombo |
| 16:56.44 | tordecybombo | oh i thought text edit boxes didnt work |
| 16:56.57 | RodOfNOD | they dont work |
| 16:57.00 | RodOfNOD | but they work for me |
| 16:57.04 | tordecybombo | what |
| 16:57.07 | tordecybombo | explain |
| 16:57.33 | RodOfNOD | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZyHRfdS-uXk |
| 16:58.39 | RodOfNOD | mineral trades are part of sc2 :P well resource gives |
| 16:58.54 | tordecybombo | im not doing resource trades specifcally |
| 16:58.56 | tordecybombo | but item trades |
| 16:59.07 | Pinzu | Everytime I try to trigger something I have to take 10x the time it took to write to debug it... |
| 16:59.09 | RodOfNOD | so what would x and y = ? |
| 16:59.10 | tordecybombo | and you can have lots of items |
| 16:59.16 | tordecybombo | like x99 of those items |
| 16:59.19 | RodOfNOD | lol Pinzu :P |
| 16:59.24 | tordecybombo | it'd be a pain to do it one by one |
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| 16:59.35 | Pinzu | ;( |
| 16:59.52 | RodOfNOD | why not make a neat custom dialog that allows you to pick the item u want and then who it goes to ? |
| 17:00.03 | Pinzu | make system gogo |
| 17:00.50 | Alexaz | guys, is there any way to do a boat in SC2 without no-fly pathing? |
| 17:00.58 | Pinzu | Spank me, its actually working, unbelivable! ;D |
| 17:01.09 | RodOfNOD | sure but i havent found a better way Alexaz |
| 17:01.24 | Helral | takes a mallet, and spanks Pinzu with it. |
| 17:01.53 | Pinzu | you know what we talked about earlier helral |
| 17:01.54 | RodOfNOD | takes Helral's mallet and pounds his penis to dust! mwhahhahahaaha take that puddy cat |
| 17:02.09 | Pinzu | the thing I was doing, well... still doing it ;D |
| 17:02.16 | Helral | wonders why RodOfNOD pounded his own penis to dust.... |
| 17:02.21 | tordecybombo | do i need a million no fly zones if i want a giant block of no fly zones |
| 17:02.22 | Alexaz | RodOfNOD, but if i want to have flying units and boats? |
| 17:02.26 | RodOfNOD | lol yes after i typed that i |
| 17:02.37 | RodOfNOD | well my only way around is to have flyers with small radius |
| 17:02.41 | RodOfNOD | Alexaz |
| 17:02.44 | RodOfNOD | what map u making? |
| 17:02.56 | Alexaz | diplomacy |
| 17:02.57 | Alexaz | :D |
| 17:03.00 | RodOfNOD | fun |
| 17:03.08 | RodOfNOD | im remaking my risk devo from wc3 |
| 17:03.17 | Pinzu | jeez, get over ur self! ;) |
| 17:03.21 | Pinzu | expand ur concept |
| 17:03.29 | RodOfNOD | me? |
| 17:03.32 | Helral | anyways I'm off for a while |
| 17:03.32 | Pinzu | yes ;) |
| 17:03.32 | Alexaz | i'm remaking civilizations for SC1? |
| 17:03.39 | RodOfNOD | lol |
| 17:03.48 | RodOfNOD | when u see my map u will bow :> |
| 17:04.12 | RodOfNOD | or at least trip and appear to bow |
| 17:04.13 | Alexaz | wait |
| 17:04.14 | Pinzu | well you got compitition |
| 17:04.17 | Alexaz | so the tiny radius of planets |
| 17:04.17 | Pinzu | hah |
| 17:04.22 | Alexaz | *planes |
| 17:04.24 | RodOfNOD | i have no real competition :P |
| 17:04.26 | Helral|away | pokes RodOfNOD and points at his inventory system. |
| 17:04.26 | Pinzu | you win no matter how it goes? |
| 17:04.27 | Tofu | @Tordecybombo No fly zones have a radius |
| 17:04.36 | tordecybombo | what |
| 17:04.46 | RodOfNOD | so far the successful risk maps are using my identical terrain |
| 17:04.49 | RodOfNOD | sucked from wc3 |
| 17:05.03 | Alexaz | so far my gay maps has my own terrain |
| 17:05.05 | Alexaz | which was made by me |
| 17:05.06 | Helral|away | hehehe risk map ..... who would want to make those? XD |
| 17:05.08 | Alexaz | taping a map |
| 17:05.10 | Alexaz | on my monitor |
| 17:05.11 | Alexaz | LOL |
| 17:05.13 | Tofu | place 1 no fly zone, press space then double click it |
| 17:05.16 | RodOfNOD | only a nerubian slime dog Helral|away |
| 17:05.19 | Tofu | then you can edit the radius |
| 17:05.32 | Tofu | it make the nofly zone area larger |
| 17:05.36 | Tofu | *ie |
| 17:05.48 | Pinzu | hmm |
| 17:05.51 | Vulfe | mmk. |
| 17:05.52 | Vulfe | Sooo |
| 17:05.55 | Vulfe | I need a good floor texture |
| 17:05.58 | Vulfe | from another tileset |
| 17:05.59 | Vulfe | to import |
| 17:06.01 | Vulfe | suggestions? |
| 17:06.03 | Vulfe | :D |
| 17:06.13 | Vulfe | metallic/space station kind of theme |
| 17:06.14 | RodOfNOD | i like pergo myself Vulfe |
| 17:06.14 | Vulfe | preferably |
| 17:06.15 | Pinzu | <insert coin> first |
| 17:06.22 | Vulfe | pergo? |
| 17:06.43 | RodOfNOD | Vulfe http://na.pergo.com/ProductHome.aspx?gclid=CKWppKKDxqMCFQYQbAod1UECZQ |
| 17:06.51 | Alexaz | so there's no way to make specific units ignore no-fly zones? |
| 17:06.53 | Vulfe | Oh |
| 17:06.55 | Vulfe | It's a trap |
| 17:06.56 | Vulfe | : ( |
| 17:07.09 | RodOfNOD | not if they fly alexaz |
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| 17:07.21 | RodOfNOD | at least i havent found a way let me know when u do :> |
| 17:07.22 | Alexaz | damn it |
| 17:07.26 | Vulfe | Replace the no fly zones with forcefield walls |
| 17:07.27 | Vulfe | :O |
| 17:07.40 | Alexaz | omg |
| 17:07.43 | Alexaz | that would kill me |
| 17:07.46 | RodOfNOD | or tesla coils that kill them as they fly |
| 17:07.55 | Pinzu | heeeeeeeey! HAAALP! ;D |
| 17:08.17 | RodOfNOD | trust me blizzard + sc2 - boats = U FUCKERS! |
| 17:08.46 | Vulfe | no sail zones |
| 17:08.49 | Alexaz | hmm |
| 17:08.50 | RodOfNOD | hehe |
| 17:08.59 | RodOfNOD | i spent a whole day working on boats |
| 17:09.02 | RodOfNOD | fucking bliz |
| 17:09.02 | Alexaz | can i make medivacs not unload units unless its not water? |
| 17:09.10 | RodOfNOD | if u hard code it |
| 17:09.12 | Alexaz | wish i could check what kind of terrain is |
| 17:09.21 | Pinzu | I have a random int that picks a number between X-Y (Y>=X) the returned value contains a number 0-22 |
| 17:09.22 | RodOfNOD | u can check if ur in a region |
| 17:09.33 | Pinzu | Ill wait with my question |
| 17:09.34 | Pinzu | * |
| 17:09.45 | Alexaz | Rod, but we can't use paint to have nice regions |
| 17:09.46 | Alexaz | ? |
| 17:09.51 | RodOfNOD | hehe |
| 17:09.55 | RodOfNOD | correct |
| 17:10.02 | RodOfNOD | in wc3 i used tileset comparison |
| 17:10.30 | Alexaz | hmm |
| 17:10.35 | Alexaz | i'll make the water deadly |
| 17:10.36 | Alexaz | lol |
| 17:10.45 | Pinzu | btw speaking of regions |
| 17:10.46 | RodOfNOD | how? |
| 17:10.57 | Pinzu | can one make regions that dosnt have a defined shape |
| 17:10.58 | Alexaz | like lava? |
| 17:10.59 | Alexaz | duh |
| 17:11.08 | Alexaz | Pinzu, ORLY? |
| 17:11.13 | Pinzu | sry for not having a decent english math vocabulary |
| 17:11.14 | Pinzu | but like |
| 17:11.21 | Pinzu | not symentrical |
| 17:11.31 | Alexaz | by adding shapes together? |
| 17:11.35 | Pinzu | a circle or a square) |
| 17:11.40 | Helral|away | Pinzu: you can combine shapes to make a region. |
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| 17:11.54 | Vulfe | go back to sleep helral |
| 17:12.04 | RodOfNOD | Helral|away can u do it without using triggers Helral|away? |
| 17:12.26 | Helral|away | yup edit the region directly, in the region layer (terrain editor) |
| 17:12.50 | RodOfNOD | oh sweet |
| 17:12.52 | RodOfNOD | cool |
| 17:13.01 | RodOfNOD | still ugly as sin but works |
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| 17:13.57 | Alexaz | Rod, so ur map haz boats and planes? |
| 17:14.38 | Pinzu | I Has understood |
| 17:14.44 | RodOfNOD | yes Alexaz |
| 17:14.47 | rooj | word |
| 17:14.49 | rooj | lets go sailin |
| 17:14.57 | rooj | you can make a wind waker game |
| 17:14.58 | Alexaz | omg teach me |
| 17:15.00 | rooj | where all you do is sail |
| 17:15.01 | Alexaz | i'll mail you a cookie |
| 17:15.09 | Pinzu | hmm is there a way to indefinitly loop until it gets a value that isnt 0? |
| 17:15.11 | RodOfNOD | lol |
| 17:15.20 | Pinzu | sorry, until conditions are met |
| 17:15.29 | RodOfNOD | u just make ur air units have tiny radius and they can sneak past the no fly zones |
| 17:15.32 | Helral|away | Pinzu: while condition do actions |
| 17:15.56 | Alexaz | ok |
| 17:15.58 | Alexaz | i will try |
| 17:16.01 | Alexaz | in my later versions |
| 17:16.05 | Alexaz | of my gay sex diplomacy map |
| 17:16.11 | rooj | hot |
| 17:16.14 | rooj | hows that work |
| 17:16.19 | RodOfNOD | Helral|away why do no fly zomnes have attachment units? what does that do? |
| 17:16.21 | Vulfe | How come units can't walk on glass flooring x.x |
| 17:16.30 | RodOfNOD | cuz its slippery? |
| 17:16.32 | rooj | sim city with only gay men? |
| 17:16.53 | Alexaz | sim world |
| 17:16.57 | RodOfNOD | well have u taken a look at the civilains? all the males are obviously gay |
| 17:17.01 | Alexaz | with only gay hydralisks |
| 17:17.26 | rooj | hydralisk+kerrigan porn |
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| 17:17.39 | Alexaz | rooj |
| 17:17.43 | Alexaz | i wish i saw that |
| 17:17.51 | RodOfNOD | i wonder what will happen when blizzard wont let a map on that is pushing the edge but not truely pornographic |
| 17:18.05 | RodOfNOD | say a map called Gay Hydralisks |
| 17:18.17 | rooj | you probably cant say the g word on b.net |
| 17:18.19 | RodOfNOD | i mean what can they say if htere is no sex just happy hydras? |
| 17:18.26 | RodOfNOD | well if thats true |
| 17:18.27 | rooj | lol |
| 17:18.30 | rooj | happy hydras |
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| 17:18.40 | rooj | urinating ultralisks |
| 17:18.45 | RodOfNOD | the bliz will get sued by the gay alliance or whatever its called |
| 17:18.57 | rooj | theres a gay alliance? |
| 17:19.04 | RodOfNOD | idk whatever its called |
| 17:19.06 | AsaPhelps | a queen map where your objective is to sleep with as many zerglings as possible |
| 17:19.06 | Bluerobin47 | it's international |
| 17:19.08 | RodOfNOD | gay lesbian something or other |
| 17:19.12 | Bluerobin47 | they give out superpowers |
| 17:19.13 | AsaPhelps | nambla |
| 17:19.17 | RodOfNOD | lol AsaPhelps |
| 17:19.19 | rooj | lol |
| 17:19.34 | RodOfNOD | i mean what about cigarettes and alcohol |
| 17:19.43 | RodOfNOD | bliz already has those what if u make a map where the goal is to get drunk? |
| 17:20.02 | AsaPhelps | I should make a troll post that my son started to smoke because of the campaign |
| 17:20.08 | RodOfNOD | hehe |
| 17:20.08 | rooj | LOL |
| 17:20.19 | RodOfNOD | if Jim Rainor can do it pops so can i! |
| 17:20.26 | AsaPhelps | all he does all night is yell down with mengsk while smoking cigarettes |
| 17:20.32 | RodOfNOD | agreed |
| 17:20.34 | rooj | i dunno how nudity or any of that other stuff could be bad if there are exploding guts and stuff |
| 17:20.36 | RodOfNOD | its actually horrid |
| 17:20.56 | AsaPhelps | well american stance on that stuff is sex >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> violence |
| 17:21.03 | rooj | i'd much rather my children see titties and dicks than blood and gore |
| 17:21.10 | AsaPhelps | why not both |
| 17:21.12 | RodOfNOD | also what about supernova i mean she is way to realistic sexy in the bar |
| 17:21.15 | rooj | lol |
| 17:21.20 | rooj | at the same time? |
| 17:21.29 | AsaPhelps | necrophilia |
| 17:21.32 | rooj | that usually happens in friday the 13th movies |
| 17:21.36 | RodOfNOD | ie Undead of wc3 |
| 17:21.37 | rooj | couple is bangin |
| 17:21.39 | rooj | BOOM |
| 17:21.44 | rooj | jason chainsaws them |
| 17:21.50 | redmarine | How do I check how much space I got left for variables? |
| 17:22.00 | RodOfNOD | with the variable checker of course |
| 17:22.10 | redmarine | Where can I find that tool? |
| 17:22.13 | RodOfNOD | winks at redmarine :P |
| 17:22.22 | redmarine | RodOfNOD, hello :P |
| 17:22.24 | RodOfNOD | i think MindWorX` is still writing it |
| 17:22.38 | redmarine | Alright |
| 17:22.48 | RodOfNOD | i was just joshing :P |
| 17:22.54 | redmarine | ? :O |
| 17:22.55 | Xaragoth | AsaPhelps ... germany its violence>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>sex xD |
| 17:22.58 | Xaragoth | which is great |
| 17:23.00 | Xaragoth | we get tits |
| 17:23.01 | Xaragoth | :D |
| 17:23.07 | RodOfNOD | there may be a way but idk of one redmarine |
| 17:23.10 | AsaPhelps | most of the world violence is worst |
| 17:23.31 | redmarine | RodOfNOD, just wondering since I'm using a lot of variable indexes in my Dungeon Keeper project. |
| 17:23.34 | AsaPhelps | only movie I can think of that was "too violent" was private ryan |
| 17:23.39 | redmarine | Finally Finished the tile system |
| 17:23.43 | AsaPhelps | they had to scale that back because it was nc-17 |
| 17:23.55 | RodOfNOD | i guess that matters what ALOT is? |
| 17:24.04 | RodOfNOD | why dont u use the datatables? |
| 17:24.09 | Technomancer | guys im havin EXTREME problems with the campaign discrepency being referenced.. the heroes disappear from the data module and the unit palette, but the dependencies window still shows campaign.. i try takin it out, puttin back in, NOTHIN.. |
| 17:24.12 | redmarine | RodOfNOD, don't know how to use datatables |
| 17:24.23 | redmarine | RodOfNOD, neither did I know anything about it |
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| 17:24.30 | RodOfNOD | OMG Technomancer - try moving the dependency to the top of the list |
| 17:24.38 | RodOfNOD | just like arrays |
| 17:24.44 | RodOfNOD | might eat different ram |
| 17:24.45 | RodOfNOD | idk |
| 17:24.46 | Technomancer | .... oohhh |
| 17:24.48 | rooj | i was wondering, why does the order of the dependancies matter anyway? |
| 17:24.49 | Technomancer | will try |
| 17:24.54 | RodOfNOD | cuz |
| 17:24.58 | RodOfNOD | last in first used |
| 17:25.02 | RodOfNOD | grr |
| 17:25.07 | RodOfNOD | first in first used |
| 17:25.15 | RodOfNOD | think of it like a stair |
| 17:25.20 | rooj | does it not use all of them though |
| 17:25.27 | AsaPhelps | what if you trip and fall down your depenecies |
| 17:25.27 | RodOfNOD | they look for the data in the fist set first and if they dont find it they go to the next one |
| 17:25.31 | rooj | LOL |
| 17:25.36 | RodOfNOD | then u break your neck |
| 17:25.42 | redmarine | RodOfNOD, lol |
| 17:25.51 | Alexaz | guys, does that M3 exporter work with 64 bit 3dsmax 10? |
| 17:26.04 | RodOfNOD | idk Alexaz |
| 17:26.11 | Alexaz | it tells me no meshes found |
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| 17:26.19 | Alexaz | i even tried export the damn teapot |
| 17:26.20 | Alexaz | still didnt work |
| 17:26.30 | RodOfNOD | got_Ammo u make models dont u? |
| 17:28.37 | got_Ammo | rodofnod: no, just code |
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| 17:31.55 | Technomancer | ugh my pc crashed, but Rodofnod thanks you so fuckin much, love u man (no homo) |
| 17:32.03 | RodOfNOD | lol |
| 17:32.13 | RodOfNOD | np |
| 17:32.21 | Technomancer | was givin me shit for hours today and last night, didnt think it was THAT fckin easy |
| 17:33.40 | Tinman | Holy shit, I just received a VIP invitation for CeBit 2011! |
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| 17:34.19 | Tinman | About time, that will be my 7th time I have been there in a row |
| 17:34.25 | Jon_ | Hey |
| 17:34.37 | Tinman | Hello |
| 17:34.48 | Jon_ | How do you add custom values to units? I cant figure it out for some reason :l |
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| 17:35.16 | Jon_ | Is there a way you can do it without a trigger? |
| 17:35.17 | Tinman | Next to the triggers button there is a data button |
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| 17:35.40 | Tinman | Click that and there is a Unit tab, you can change everything in there |
| 17:35.42 | Alexaz | A damn teapot |
| 17:35.46 | Alexaz | and i still cant export it |
| 17:35.50 | AsaPhelps | where do you set the cost of upgrades? |
| 17:35.51 | Jon_ | also, is anyone willing to help me work out the bugs in a map i made? |
| 17:35.54 | Alexaz | --Runtime rror: No meshes found |
| 17:36.41 | tordecybombo | dimagfa!!!!! |
| 17:36.41 | Thunder_Eye | Does anyone know how/if Actor Filters work? |
| 17:36.42 | tordecybombo | argh |
| 17:36.56 | Jon_ | no idea |
| 17:37.04 | Jon_ | Someone with msn wanna help me with a map? |
| 17:37.25 | Technomancer | another possibly stupid question: I am using a edited Kerrigan (Char) in my map, and I clicked off Invulnerable in Units-Flags, so she gets damaged... however she gets down to 1 but doesnt take damage after that to kill her, she hits 1 and starts regenerating to like 4 or 5 before she goes back to one (under a constant assault) |
| 17:37.32 | RodOfNOD | custom values are changed in the trigger editor |
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| 17:37.37 | Technomancer | and I want her to be able to die |
| 17:37.50 | Stoney | hi guys. I know I've asked this question before, just wanna see if anyone else has the answer |
| 17:37.56 | Nash | probably a Behavior |
| 17:37.59 | Stoney | is it possible to flip doodads vertically? |
| 17:38.04 | Stoney | i.e. the model |
| 17:38.04 | Jon_ | Yes |
| 17:38.14 | Jon_ | Stoney, go to the units layer |
| 17:38.18 | Jon_ | click on the doodad |
| 17:38.24 | Stoney | ok |
| 17:38.25 | Technomancer | Nash were you referring to me? |
| 17:38.25 | Jon_ | go to edit>flip>vertical |
| 17:38.31 | Alexaz | Any1 does SC2 modelling herE? |
| 17:38.33 | Nash | yes |
| 17:38.38 | Nash | Technomancer |
| 17:38.40 | Nash | I did |
| 17:38.44 | Technomancer | I do retexturing, Alexaz |
| 17:38.56 | Jon_ | is anyone willing to help me work out the bugs in a map i made? |
| 17:39.01 | Stoney | thanks Jon |
| 17:39.03 | Stoney | I'm gonna try that now |
| 17:39.05 | Jon_ | np |
| 17:39.25 | Technomancer | AHHH there is a behaviour that literally ends with "Don't die" |
| 17:39.25 | Alexaz | Technomancer, does that mean exporting m3 export? |
| 17:39.27 | Alexaz | from 3DS max? |
| 17:39.32 | P_R_Deltoid | god damn |
| 17:39.37 | P_R_Deltoid | why do people post questions as a thread in tutorials |
| 17:39.44 | Technomancer | Alexaz: I have problems changing the geometry, but yes I do exports from 3DS max successfully |
| 17:39.47 | Stoney | not sure what you mean though |
| 17:39.51 | Stoney | click on the units layer then go to a doodad? |
| 17:39.54 | Stoney | isn't that the doodads layer? |
| 17:39.57 | Alexaz | can you help me? |
| 17:39.57 | P_R_Deltoid | needs to be more cleanup on the site |
| 17:39.57 | Jon_ | someone help me with the conditions tab on triggers. what does it do? |
| 17:39.57 | Nash | because people are stupid D_D |
| 17:40.00 | P_R_Deltoid | need to move stuff |
| 17:40.02 | P_R_Deltoid | or ban people |
| 17:40.04 | Technomancer | what do you need help with? |
| 17:40.04 | P_R_Deltoid | or remove stuff |
| 17:40.10 | Stoney | do you mean in the data editor? |
| 17:40.12 | Alexaz | Technomancer what 3ds max ur using? version and architecture pls |
| 17:40.18 | P_R_Deltoid | because the amount of shitposting by people who dont' speak English is quite absurd |
| 17:40.20 | Jon_ | Stoney, you can only select doodads on the unit layer for some reason |
| 17:40.28 | Technomancer | 2010 |
| 17:40.33 | Jon_ | place the doodads, then go to unit layer, |
| 17:40.45 | Alexaz | damn, i'm using 2010 64 bit too |
| 17:40.50 | Alexaz | but i have trouble exporting |
| 17:40.51 | Jon_ | select the doodad like you would a unit |
| 17:40.54 | Alexaz | it tells me no meshes found |
| 17:41.00 | Nash | select doodads on unit layer wtf |
| 17:41.05 | Jon_ | then edit>flip>vertically |
| 17:41.09 | Stoney | hehe yeah I'm confused too |
| 17:41.19 | Jon_ | try it yourself |
| 17:41.26 | Jon_ | i was wtf'ing too |
| 17:41.33 | Jon_ | it took me like 10 minutes to select a doodad |
| 17:41.42 | Nash | I just use the doodad layer |
| 17:41.42 | Pinzu | Im fucking stoked, its working ;d |
| 17:41.43 | Stoney | hm |
| 17:41.46 | Jon_ | turns out you can only select placed ones on the unit layer |
| 17:41.47 | Stoney | to be specific Jon |
| 17:41.52 | Stoney | I mean flip it along the z axis |
| 17:41.55 | Stoney | like an upside-down nexus |
| 17:41.59 | Stoney | the model itself.. |
| 17:42.02 | Alexaz | Technomancer, you here? |
| 17:42.08 | Technomancer | yes |
| 17:42.10 | Stoney | it's probably a more advanced data editor thing with the model |
| 17:42.13 | Stoney | right? |
| 17:42.18 | Technomancer | I said 3DS max 2010 |
| 17:42.20 | Stoney | vertically as in z-axis, not y-axis |
| 17:42.25 | Alexaz | Technomancer, maybe you know why when i'm trying to export, it tells me no meshes found |
| 17:42.29 | Nash | no, you can select placed ones on the doodad layer |
| 17:42.41 | Jon_ | um |
| 17:42.43 | Nash | your editor is fucked or you're doing something weird |
| 17:42.47 | Nash | D_D |
| 17:42.47 | Alexaz | Technomancer> i have a damn teapot and it has the editable mesh modifier |
| 17:42.49 | Technomancer | o.o no meshes? what are you tryin to do with it? |
| 17:42.52 | Jon_ | my editors probably fucked lol |
| 17:43.06 | Alexaz | Technomancer> i just want to export a damn teapot lol |
| 17:43.10 | Stoney | I can't select a placed unit when I'm on doodads layer |
| 17:43.16 | Wartex | Does anyone know of a tutorial on how to have a unit learn a behaviour? I tried several search terms on sc2mapster, but never got anything relevant. |
| 17:43.18 | Stoney | ...? |
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| 17:44.11 | Jon_ | stoney |
| 17:44.14 | Nash | Could be because you're searching for learn Behavior |
| 17:44.14 | Jon_ | thats what im telling you |
| 17:44.24 | Wartex | I'm not, Nash :) |
| 17:44.29 | Stoney | okay |
| 17:44.36 | Jon_ | you have to select placed doodads on the units layer |
| 17:44.53 | Stoney | I can't access doodads on the units layer either |
| 17:44.54 | Stoney | at least... |
| 17:44.56 | Stoney | not to move them? |
| 17:45.03 | Jon_ | err idk |
| 17:45.07 | Xaragoth | your unit will learn to behave when you use the whip on it! |
| 17:45.08 | Jon_ | i just select them |
| 17:45.10 | Jon_ | then edit |
| 17:45.17 | Stoney | yes |
| 17:45.19 | Wartex | What I want to do is exactly like having my hero learn an ability, except I want him to get a behaviour from clicking the button. So that I can choose to level AGI, STR and so on |
| 17:45.23 | Jon_ | Anyone here have any experience with racing maps? |
| 17:45.24 | Stoney | but flip vertically doesn't flip the model along the z-axis |
| 17:45.34 | Wartex | lol Xaragoth xD |
| 17:45.36 | Jon_ | then do flip horizontally |
| 17:45.37 | Kalekin | What sort of experience Jon_? |
| 17:45.54 | Xaragoth | hey thats how I do it wartex! |
| 17:45.58 | Stoney | that doesn't do it either |
| 17:45.59 | Jon_ | Experience with physics, powerups, and just basic map knowledge |
| 17:46.08 | Wartex | Just gotta find the Whip-tool then. |
| 17:46.23 | Jon_ | stoney, double click the doodad, you can create a custom angle that way |
| 17:46.24 | Xaragoth | someone made a good one during beta Jon_, can't remember who was it though |
| 17:46.25 | Wartex | Probably in the Torture Equipment layer |
| 17:46.42 | Nash | so make the ability have an apply Behavior effect? |
| 17:46.46 | Alexaz | Technomancer> Are u using the 64 bit version or 32 bit? |
| 17:46.49 | AsaPhelps | anyone know much about upgrades? I can't figure out why mine won't work |
| 17:46.49 | Stoney | a "custom angle"? |
| 17:46.49 | Xaragoth | its under the "How to tame your Zergling"-Tab Wartex :D |
| 17:46.53 | Stoney | how do you do that? |
| 17:46.54 | rooj | isnt Z the same as height? or no? |
| 17:47.06 | Xaragoth | XYZ-Axis |
| 17:47.09 | Stoney | there is NOTHING like that in my editor |
| 17:47.13 | Xaragoth | so yes, Z is height |
| 17:47.14 | Jon_ | double click |
| 17:47.15 | Jon_ | .. |
| 17:47.16 | Stoney | not when you double click on it |
| 17:47.18 | Nash | Or make a dummy ability and use triggers to add behavior |
| 17:47.21 | rooj | target it and hit enter |
| 17:47.21 | Stoney | I'm at the double-click dialogue |
| 17:47.27 | Stoney | I've got X, Y |
| 17:47.32 | Wartex | Yeah, I'm using an apply behaviour right now, but it doesn't seem to work. I think I need to pass along an argument or something so it knows how much to increase the behaviour so to speak |
| 17:47.33 | Stoney | Height |
| 17:47.41 | Stoney | XYZ Scale % |
| 17:47.49 | Jon_ | kalekin, you make any racing maps? |
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| 17:47.54 | Wartex | Triggers seems like a hassle if there are multiple players, but it's a possibility if all else fails |
| 17:47.56 | rooj | what exactly are you trying to do stoney? |
| 17:48.04 | Stoney | Flip a model |
| 17:48.06 | Nash | triggers are easy |
| 17:48.07 | Stoney | along the z-axis |
| 17:48.21 | Kalekin | I am working on a mod that has different control schemes in it |
| 17:48.24 | rooj | so that the bottom is facing upwards? |
| 17:48.25 | Stoney | turn it completely upside-down |
| 17:48.25 | Kalekin | vehicles being one of them |
| 17:48.28 | rooj | ok |
| 17:48.30 | Stoney | yes |
| 17:48.30 | rooj | yeah i dunno |
| 17:48.38 | Stoney | I don't think it's possible |
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| 17:48.40 | Stoney | personally |
| 17:48.46 | Kalekin | not a racing map per say |
| 17:48.46 | Stoney | I don't think it was included in the editor |
| 17:49.02 | Xaragoth | you do it like you did it in wc3 |
| 17:49.04 | Stoney | you would have to create a custom model in some kind of 3D modeling program |
| 17:49.08 | Xaragoth | inside the actor there should be something |
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| 17:49.10 | rooj | suggest it to blizzard :X |
| 17:49.12 | Xaragoth | can't remember what |
| 17:49.16 | Xaragoth | i make my own assets with max |
| 17:49.17 | SycoPrime | Asaphelps: I'm having the same problem >< |
| 17:49.23 | Xaragoth | so I don't have that problem anymore |
| 17:49.25 | Stoney | there should be something |
| 17:49.29 | Stoney | but I don't think there is |
| 17:49.38 | Xaragoth | ask PEQ |
| 17:49.43 | Xaragoth | *peq |
| 17:49.53 | Xaragoth | though no idea if he's on the mapster forums |
| 17:49.58 | rooj | you can try looking in the previewer |
| 17:49.59 | Xaragoth | gimme a sec |
| 17:50.03 | rooj | but i dunno ;/ |
| 17:50.07 | Xaragoth | i'll ask him on qnet |
| 17:50.15 | AsaPhelps | for a unit to be affected by the upgrade, what do you need to do besides add the effect and unit to the upgrade? |
| 17:50.17 | SycoPrime | There's not some way to flip a unit upside down using actor/animations? |
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| 17:51.16 | Xaragoth | theres at least a way to make them rotate a little |
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| 17:51.26 | Stoney | nope |
| 17:51.28 | Xaragoth | peq did that for the battlecruiser wallpaper with which he won the contest |
| 17:51.31 | Stoney | not that I have discovered |
| 17:51.37 | Stoney | not in the data editor, or in the base map editor |
| 17:51.45 | Stoney | if somebody manages to come up with a way, i'd be greatly interested |
| 17:51.47 | Xaragoth | I haven't looked for it |
| 17:51.53 | Stoney | I have. |
| 17:51.55 | Xaragoth | when I need a ceiling, I make one, you know |
| 17:51.59 | Stoney | Not that I'm nearly advanced enough to find it |
| 17:52.04 | Stoney | but still |
| 17:52.08 | Stoney | there's no easy way |
| 17:52.34 | Xaragoth | no one ever requested easy |
| 17:52.43 | Stoney | er |
| 17:52.46 | Stoney | I did |
| 17:52.46 | Xaragoth | though I want to punch someone from blizz for blocking cinematics >.> |
| 17:53.00 | Xaragoth | I like a challenge |
| 17:53.02 | Stoney | I always request the easiest way to solve a problem. |
| 17:53.15 | Stoney | Problems are challenging enough |
| 17:53.18 | Nash | easiest isn't always best |
| 17:53.23 | Xaragoth | well |
| 17:53.31 | Xaragoth | its a Site Operation |
| 17:53.37 | Stoney | well that's more of a metaphysical question |
| 17:53.43 | Stoney | I'm talking realistically. |
| 17:53.51 | lotharscm | how do you detect how much armor a unit has in trigger editor? |
| 17:53.55 | Xaragoth | you can find that under Hosting |
| 17:54.10 | Stoney | I shouldn't need a Ph.D in 3D graphics design and computer science to flip the damn actor in the map editor :P |
| 17:54.31 | Nash | hmm, if anything it's in Unit Property |
| 17:54.36 | Nash | under Life Armor |
| 17:54.45 | Xaragoth | sadly only got our wiki |
| 17:54.45 | Xaragoth | http://starcraftmapping.de/wiki/Site_Operation#Site_Operation_.28Up_Vector.29 |
| 17:54.47 | Xaragoth | and its german |
| 17:54.50 | Xaragoth | but you get the idea |
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| 17:55.44 | lotharscm | yea its not under unit property like I thought too : ( just life / life % / life regen |
| 17:55.54 | Tinman | Hey vjeux_ I got my intro video out, with that I can get some feedback to what I need to do on the commentaries :) |
| 17:56.09 | vjeux_ | link? |
| 17:56.13 | Xaragoth | show it! |
| 17:56.26 | Tinman | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ZYIssdryMw |
| 17:56.34 | Tinman | I sound terrible though :p |
| 17:56.51 | Xaragoth | oh |
| 17:56.58 | Xaragoth | you do what fenix does for germany |
| 17:56.59 | Xaragoth | nice |
| 17:56.59 | Xaragoth | ^^ |
| 17:57.06 | Nash | I suppose you could have the unit take damage, then do damage dealt - lost health |
| 17:57.08 | Tinman | Its my first time so I was a shit load nervous and read from a script :p |
| 17:57.16 | Xaragoth | you fucked up |
| 17:57.17 | Xaragoth | :P |
| 17:57.22 | Xaragoth | i can hear that |
| 17:57.23 | Xaragoth | :D |
| 17:57.32 | Nash | but that's a really complicated way of finding out something trivial :/ |
| 17:58.04 | Stoney | there's nothing in actors or models in the data editor that remotely broaches the subject of rotation :/ |
| 17:58.08 | Tinman | Thats why I use it as a sort of intro video, just to get used to shit, and get started, I also got allot of small details done |
| 17:58.12 | Stoney | or alignment axes of the model :/ |
| 17:58.44 | rooj | it sounds like youre gonna have to try and flip it upside down using another program ;/ |
| 17:58.56 | Stoney | yup |
| 17:58.58 | Stoney | too much effort |
| 17:59.08 | Xaragoth | stoney |
| 17:59.08 | Xaragoth | Hosting |
| 17:59.11 | Xaragoth | Site Operation |
| 17:59.14 | Xaragoth | and math |
| 17:59.18 | Stoney | wait |
| 17:59.20 | Stoney | hosting |
| 17:59.27 | Stoney | what is that in the data editor? |
| 17:59.38 | Xaragoth | its under actor I believe |
| 17:59.57 | Stoney | were you able to flip a unit? |
| 18:00.04 | Xaragoth | peq did |
| 18:00.09 | Xaragoth | just asked him what he used |
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| 18:00.17 | Lilianna | How are you trying to rotate the model? |
| 18:00.31 | rooj | PEQ sounds familiar...what map did they make |
| 18:00.40 | Stoney | it's not under actor |
| 18:00.45 | Stoney | .... |
| 18:00.51 | Stoney | er...if it is...which tab is that? |
| 18:00.58 | Lisk | is it possible to deal non-constant damage using the data editor alone? such as "deal 200 damage split among units in an area" |
| 18:01.14 | Wartex | Is it possible to have a trigger react on a player using a certain ability? Then I could catch the player pressing Increase AGI and use triggers to give him AGI. |
| 18:01.16 | rooj | lilianna, he's trying to turn it upside down |
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| 18:01.23 | Lilianna | Okay, let me look a sec |
| 18:01.30 | Nash | yes |
| 18:01.35 | Nash | unit uses ability |
| 18:01.41 | Wartex | thanks |
| 18:02.02 | P_R_Deltoid | Lisk, I don't see why not |
| 18:02.09 | P_R_Deltoid | not sure exactly how though |
| 18:02.10 | Stoney | mh |
| 18:02.19 | Wartex | oh, one more thing.. can I just scan for units belonging to a specific player? |
| 18:02.25 | Stoney | I have no idea how to access hosting...not in the models or actors... |
| 18:02.30 | Wartex | like "all units belonging to player 1" |
| 18:02.30 | Lisk | seems like all the damage fields are constants |
| 18:02.30 | Stoney | I've never even seen such an attribute... |
| 18:02.35 | Xaragoth | gnarr |
| 18:02.38 | Xaragoth | why can't I login |
| 18:02.41 | Xaragoth | bnet hates me |
| 18:02.45 | Nash | yes |
| 18:02.54 | Nash | units in region matching condition |
| 18:03.09 | P_R_Deltoid | well it depends how you would use it. You could have quite a few static damage behaviors and just have a Search behavior tell you which one to uyse |
| 18:03.17 | P_R_Deltoid | although I have no idea if that is possible/how to go about doing it |
| 18:03.17 | Wartex | Nash, thanks! :D |
| 18:03.41 | AsaPhelps | anyone know much about upgrades? having trouble making something do more damage |
| 18:03.44 | P_R_Deltoid | Stoney, you are using tab view? |
| 18:03.46 | lotharscm | you can divide the damage based on number of people in the region in trigger editor i think , not sure about data |
| 18:03.52 | Stoney | yes |
| 18:03.55 | Stoney | I have the tab view |
| 18:03.56 | P_R_Deltoid | Problem 1 |
| 18:03.58 | P_R_Deltoid | You are using tab view |
| 18:03.59 | Stoney | in the data editor |
| 18:04.02 | Stoney | I'm under... |
| 18:04.06 | Nash | tab view ftw |
| 18:04.12 | Stoney | Models |
| 18:04.12 | P_R_Deltoid | You are under the tab view. Problem 1 |
| 18:04.17 | P_R_Deltoid | Host Site Ops is actor |
| 18:04.24 | P_R_Deltoid | or |
| 18:04.26 | P_R_Deltoid | Site ops |
| 18:04.30 | P_R_Deltoid | if that is what you are looking for |
| 18:04.32 | Stoney | OK I'm in Actors>Nexus |
| 18:04.46 | Stoney | what tab is that? |
| 18:04.49 | P_R_Deltoid | and still using tab view: problem 1 |
| 18:04.57 | Stoney | Deltoid: Fine.. |
| 18:04.59 | P_R_Deltoid | Most people I know use table view! |
| 18:05.00 | Stoney | Which view do you want me to use? |
| 18:05.05 | Nash | TAB VIEW OWNS YOU |
| 18:05.07 | P_R_Deltoid | there are two types |
| 18:05.09 | Wartex | Nash, is that function supposed to be under "unit" or "region"? All I can find is "Unit attached to Region" |
| 18:05.10 | P_R_Deltoid | tab or table |
| 18:05.13 | P_R_Deltoid | if I dislike tab |
| 18:05.16 | Nash | unit group |
| 18:05.17 | P_R_Deltoid | what would be the logical other option |
| 18:05.25 | Stoney | there's no hosting... |
| 18:05.33 | P_R_Deltoid | You searched for it? |
| 18:05.44 | P_R_Deltoid | do you have advanced fields enabled? |
| 18:05.49 | Stoney | yes |
| 18:05.52 | Stoney | no |
| 18:05.56 | P_R_Deltoid | problem number 2 |
| 18:06.01 | P_R_Deltoid | you don't have advanced fields enabled |
| 18:06.12 | *** join/#sc2mapster cosh (~cosh@p50880895.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 18:06.12 | Stoney | I see it now |
| 18:06.12 | Xaragoth | raw data is your damn friend |
| 18:06.19 | P_R_Deltoid | Hurray! |
| 18:06.26 | Stoney | Hosting - Host Site Operations + |
| 18:06.33 | P_R_Deltoid | Indeed |
| 18:06.39 | P_R_Deltoid | There are a whole host of "host" fields |
| 18:06.40 | P_R_Deltoid | ;) |
| 18:06.47 | rooj | advanced fields?! |
| 18:06.54 | P_R_Deltoid | advanced fields for advanced users |
| 18:06.58 | rooj | 8( |
| 18:07.03 | Nash | advanced!!1!1!!11 |
| 18:07.03 | rooj | is the newbie of newbies |
| 18:07.05 | P_R_Deltoid | do you have what it takes |
| 18:07.07 | P_R_Deltoid | to VIEW THEM |
| 18:07.08 | Xaragoth | advanced fields for advanced brains |
| 18:07.10 | rooj | no |
| 18:07.11 | rooj | 8( |
| 18:07.12 | P_R_Deltoid | oh |
| 18:07.13 | P_R_Deltoid | alright |
| 18:07.18 | Lilianna | I dont believe there is an actual Roll setting for Units, or any part comprised of them, On example to show is the Lost Vikings map, they used animations to do the roll changes |
| 18:07.19 | P_R_Deltoid | this is advanced fields chat |
| 18:07.23 | Stoney | okay |
| 18:07.25 | P_R_Deltoid | all non-advanced field users plz leave |
| 18:07.30 | Stoney | so what's the secret passcode to flip it vertically... |
| 18:07.31 | rooj | cries |
| 18:07.33 | Stoney | I tried |
| 18:07.42 | Stoney | SOpRotationSmooth:Disabled:Enabled |
| 18:07.46 | P_R_Deltoid | not what you are doing |
| 18:07.51 | P_R_Deltoid | apparently |
| 18:08.46 | Nash | Does the Nexus even have a bottom texture? |
| 18:09.08 | P_R_Deltoid | doubt it |
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| 18:09.22 | P_R_Deltoid | what are you trying to do, stoney...? |
| 18:09.31 | Lilianna | Nash, Nope |
| 18:09.32 | Lilianna | it doesnt |
| 18:09.36 | Fromethius | anyone know of any validators that can determine the rank of a unit's ability? |
| 18:09.42 | Nash | optimization would involve removing any polies that won't be seen anyway |
| 18:09.43 | Stoney | flip a model |
| 18:09.46 | Stoney | say, the nexus model |
| 18:09.51 | Stoney | along the z-axis |
| 18:09.56 | Stoney | turn it upside down |
| 18:10.03 | Lilianna | you mean x axis |
| 18:10.04 | Stoney | and maybe stack it on another nexus that's right-side up |
| 18:10.08 | Lilianna | z axis would turn it around |
| 18:10.14 | Stoney | well the point is |
| 18:10.20 | Stoney | if it's a tetrahedron we're talking about |
| 18:10.28 | Stoney | I want the pointy top end to be on bottom |
| 18:10.32 | Stoney | which a nexus roughly is |
| 18:10.48 | Lilianna | Quickest way to do would be to Import the model to 3dsmax, duplicate and re export |
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| 18:11.09 | Stoney | Lilianna: I was told there was a map editor way to do it with Host Site Operations |
| 18:11.18 | Stoney | Because I don't have/know how to use 3dsmax :/ |
| 18:11.21 | Stoney | not that advanced really |
| 18:11.24 | P_R_Deltoid | you can do it in actor scale, can't you? |
| 18:11.26 | Stoney | I'm not |
| 18:11.30 | Lilianna | I doubt that, Hoste Site Ops as far as Ive seen is for attaching things to it |
| 18:11.32 | Stoney | um |
| 18:11.33 | Stoney | I can scale it |
| 18:11.37 | Stoney | I can't rotate it vertically |
| 18:11.42 | P_R_Deltoid | 1 sec |
| 18:11.45 | Nash | negative scaling |
| 18:11.51 | Stoney | Lilianna: there are also some Rotation options it seems |
| 18:11.56 | Stoney | but I don't know how to use them |
| 18:12.01 | P_R_Deltoid | for attaching things to things at certain angles |
| 18:12.02 | Stoney | SOpRotationSmooth did nothing |
| 18:12.06 | P_R_Deltoid | not for randomly flipping shit over |
| 18:12.10 | Stoney | lol |
| 18:12.18 | Lilianna | Yah, its all for attachments |
| 18:12.28 | Stoney | well then that's a bust |
| 18:12.28 | Vulfe | I don't think the nexus has textures on the bottom |
| 18:12.39 | Vulfe | And you can flip things upside down using data |
| 18:12.40 | Lilianna | Vulfe, It doesnt, he wants to put two on top of each other |
| 18:12.43 | Stoney | unless you attached something at a certain angle to like a null doodad that has no physical space |
| 18:12.45 | Lilianna | one normal one upside down |
| 18:12.46 | Stoney | like a light |
| 18:12.48 | Vulfe | oh okay |
| 18:12.53 | Vulfe | that way |
| 18:13.13 | Vulfe | well, host site ops might let you do that: i remember there being a short mention of that in one of Prozaic's tutorials |
| 18:13.16 | Stoney | I haven't met a modder yet who knew how to do it |
| 18:13.38 | vjeux | http://www.sc2mapster.com/announcements/wiki-hide-fan-vid-tinman-diablo-3/ |
| 18:13.39 | vjeux | omfg |
| 18:13.50 | Stoney | Vulfe: okay, maybe I'll look at some of his/her work. thx |
| 18:14.04 | Fromethius | my hero has a passive ability that causes him to burn 20-40-60 energy with each attack. can anyone think of any ideas how to change the energy burned per level? i cannot find any validators that would seem to help |
| 18:14.45 | Lilianna | Well thinking on siteops, you might be able to do it, I need to do some work, but you cant just flip the oribinal model of a unit as far as I can see |
| 18:14.48 | Fromethius | currently i just include the energy burn effect in its weapon attack set |
| 18:15.15 | Fromethius | and i tried setting up a switch to "switch" the effect based on the level of the ability but i cannot find a suitable validator |
| 18:15.21 | Lilianna | Stoney, http://forums.sc2mapster.com/development/tutorials/4284-data-working-with-hosting-and-site-operations-the-uberlisk/ |
| 18:15.25 | Lilianna | What you'd want to read |
| 18:15.30 | Nash | scale height by -1 |
| 18:15.43 | Vulfe | http://forums.sc2mapster.com/development/tutorials/4284-data-working-with-hosting-and-site-operations-the-uberlisk/ |
| 18:15.44 | Stoney | thanks Lil |
| 18:15.48 | Vulfe | DAMMIT LILIANNA |
| 18:15.50 | Vulfe | YOU BEAT ME |
| 18:15.52 | Stoney | and Vulfe :) |
| 18:15.54 | Lilianna | :D |
| 18:15.55 | Stoney | lawl |
| 18:16.08 | Lilianna | My Web-Fu is stronger then yours |
| 18:16.27 | Stoney | that's basically what I want to do anyway |
| 18:16.32 | Lilianna | whats the name of the DT building? |
| 18:16.37 | Stoney | attach an upside-down nexus to a rightside-up one |
| 18:16.43 | Stoney | and use it in space |
| 18:17.22 | Stoney | it would be neat if blizzard came up with variant units for entirely space maps. thought it's not really in SC's style |
| 18:17.37 | P_R_Deltoid | variant units? |
| 18:17.48 | Stoney | well yeah, like probes that flew |
| 18:17.58 | P_R_Deltoid | they do fly |
| 18:18.00 | P_R_Deltoid | technically |
| 18:18.01 | Stoney | lol |
| 18:18.05 | Stoney | you know what I mean |
| 18:18.11 | Stoney | and harvesting from mineral locations in sapce |
| 18:18.13 | Stoney | space |
| 18:18.15 | P_R_Deltoid | well, it can't be that hard to makea space map. |
| 18:18.25 | Jum-Jum | cool idea Stoney |
| 18:18.26 | P_R_Deltoid | still doesn't seem hard. Just make them flying and delete the ground |
| 18:18.31 | Stoney | no, I'm sure it's not that hard. |
| 18:18.35 | Jum-Jum | kinda makes me think of red alert 2 and the water maps |
| 18:18.36 | Nash | not really, though marines walking on space would be weird |
| 18:18.42 | P_R_Deltoid | don't... use marines? |
| 18:18.44 | P_R_Deltoid | are you retarded? |
| 18:18.46 | Stoney | I'm just hoping they do something like that officially with a campaign. |
| 18:18.57 | Nash | Yep, I am retarded |
| 18:18.59 | Jum-Jum | doubt it |
| 18:19.03 | Stoney | well yeah nash, I'm thinking of an entirely space unit map. |
| 18:19.06 | Jum-Jum | really doesnt seem blizzards style to try something unorthodox |
| 18:19.07 | P_R_Deltoid | I think you can tell a unit what plane of exsistance it should be at |
| 18:19.08 | Stoney | stargates in sapce |
| 18:19.11 | P_R_Deltoid | flying or ground |
| 18:19.12 | Stoney | all air |
| 18:19.12 | P_R_Deltoid | so |
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| 18:19.21 | P_R_Deltoid | I don't think they really need "variants" |
| 18:19.22 | Jum-Jum | flying mules to gather minerals =P |
| 18:19.22 | P_R_Deltoid | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:19.32 | Stoney | like for example a flying command center that could use its abilities in the air (scan, mule, etc.) |
| 18:19.33 | Tinman | ... my embarrassing video is now on the front page... someone stab me please! |
| 18:19.34 | Jum-Jum | actually, scv, mule, drones and probes all hover |
| 18:19.41 | P_R_Deltoid | also would be quite easy |
| 18:19.57 | Nash | just have to make custom units, having just the existing air units would be rather dull |
| 18:20.00 | Stoney | Yeah. For an experienced map modder pretty easy. |
| 18:20.11 | P_R_Deltoid | People have been importing models from EVE since the start of the beta |
| 18:20.19 | Stoney | oh really? |
| 18:20.20 | Stoney | they have? |
| 18:20.20 | P_R_Deltoid | there will be no shortage of ship models in the months come |
| 18:20.22 | P_R_Deltoid | to come |
| 18:20.23 | P_R_Deltoid | yes |
| 18:20.24 | Nash | and Banshee, Brood Lord and whatever would be useless |
| 18:20.28 | P_R_Deltoid | literally since phase 1 |
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| 18:20.35 | P_R_Deltoid | someone on sc2 mapster has been importing them |
| 18:20.40 | Stoney | Is it possible to get hose models and easily put them in the map editor? |
| 18:20.56 | P_R_Deltoid | Depends on if the person who made the conversion tools/converted the models want to give them out |
| 18:20.57 | Stoney | that's a bit over my head, but it would be really neat to do... |
| 18:21.02 | P_R_Deltoid | there was thread about it somewhere |
| 18:21.06 | P_R_Deltoid | just search for "eve" |
| 18:21.09 | P_R_Deltoid | probably in Project Workplace |
| 18:21.10 | Stoney | okay |
| 18:21.19 | Stoney | such neat stuff going on, I like that idea |
| 18:21.27 | Stoney | imagine how many units you would have if you added eve models |
| 18:21.35 | P_R_Deltoid | quite a few, I'd imagine |
| 18:21.36 | Stoney | of course nothing to really fit protoss/zerg style |
| 18:21.42 | P_R_Deltoid | yeah |
| 18:21.45 | Xaragoth | don't look at the frontpage! |
| 18:21.47 | Xaragoth | its scary! |
| 18:21.52 | Fromethius | ~seen prozaicmuze |
| 18:21.54 | purl | prozaicmuze is currently on #sc2mapster, last said: 'Have it swap models when the behavior is created'. |
| 18:22.07 | Fromethius | didn't it used to say when they last said something? |
| 18:22.14 | Alexaz | guys, if a unit is set to hover, will it ignore pathing? |
| 18:22.22 | vjeux | Fromethius: when the guy is gone |
| 18:22.28 | Fromethius | oh ok |
| 18:23.35 | P_R_Deltoid | who makes a campaign trailer that gives away thee ending...? |
| 18:23.41 | P_R_Deltoid | That defeats the point of the trailer |
| 18:23.44 | Stoney | Yeah I've gotta say I'm definitely more interested in the map creation and modeling prospects of SC2 mdoding than the trigger/event based stuff. |
| 18:24.34 | allenmelon | the game hide has wasd controls without lag?? |
| 18:24.52 | P_R_Deltoid | what, allenmelon |
| 18:24.55 | P_R_Deltoid | the game hide |
| 18:24.57 | allenmelon | news post |
| 18:25.05 | P_R_Deltoid | oh |
| 18:25.58 | Xaragoth | its pretty cool |
| 18:26.12 | Nash | Don't see why you can't make WASD with dummy abilities and triggers instead of Key Pressed... |
| 18:26.34 | allenmelon | oh so is that the solution to wasd lag? |
| 18:26.44 | Nash | I dunno |
| 18:26.51 | Nash | But Key Pressed = LAGGY |
| 18:26.57 | allenmelon | i wonder how that game got made without lag |
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| 18:27.08 | Nash | you could make dummy abilities with hotkeys W A S D |
| 18:27.10 | allenmelon | if the solution is reasonable enough, wasd games could be made again |
| 18:27.19 | Nash | and execute stuff when abilities are used |
| 18:27.27 | Trager | Is there a way to auto reveal the map without linking it to a unit in a region? |
| 18:27.44 | Nash | create revealer |
| 18:27.49 | jorgenpt | Nash: How do you do key continously pressed? |
| 18:27.49 | P_R_Deltoid | wow |
| 18:27.50 | P_R_Deltoid | this game |
| 18:27.55 | P_R_Deltoid | is an fps version of Haunted Mansion |
| 18:27.56 | P_R_Deltoid | like |
| 18:27.56 | jorgenpt | With abilities |
| 18:27.57 | P_R_Deltoid | 100% |
| 18:28.08 | allenmelon | the game Hide? |
| 18:28.09 | P_R_Deltoid | I like it thought, if he is telling the truth |
| 18:28.22 | P_R_Deltoid | Trager, what |
| 18:28.24 | jorgenpt | It's called "Haunted Temple" isn't it? |
| 18:28.26 | P_R_Deltoid | you can reveal the entire map |
| 18:28.28 | P_R_Deltoid | It is |
| 18:28.30 | Nash | Dunno, haven't tried it, just an idea |
| 18:28.30 | allenmelon | isnt it tpv? |
| 18:28.39 | Trager | Nash, tell me more |
| 18:28.56 | Xaragoth | i like the map |
| 18:28.56 | Nash | create revealer for Entire Map |
| 18:28.59 | Nash | D_D |
| 18:29.01 | Xaragoth | wanna play it on EU |
| 18:29.10 | Xaragoth | seems like something that could be fun for me at last |
| 18:29.25 | P_R_Deltoid | I wanna see how laggy it is |
| 18:29.37 | allenmelon | me 2 |
| 18:29.44 | Stoney | cool |
| 18:29.47 | allenmelon | if its playable enough, then id like to see some more wasd games |
| 18:29.49 | cosh | hell |
| 18:29.49 | Stoney | this facing stuff is neat |
| 18:29.56 | Stoney | you could make a unit walk up a wall it seems |
| 18:29.58 | cosh | anyone ever (succesfully?) duplicated a spine crawler? |
| 18:30.01 | Stoney | that would be so badass |
| 18:30.14 | Stoney | stalkers climbing walls |
| 18:30.25 | Xaragoth | zerglings running down a wall towards you |
| 18:30.29 | Stoney | OH SHI--- |
| 18:30.32 | Xaragoth | which is way more scarry with cracklings |
| 18:30.36 | Xaragoth | or lol |
| 18:30.37 | Xaragoth | banelings |
| 18:30.39 | Xaragoth | rolling down! |
| 18:30.40 | Stoney | Xaragoth rolled down! --> error: malformed expression |
| 18:30.42 | Xaragoth | towards you! |
| 18:30.51 | Xaragoth | and you need to dodge! |
| 18:30.53 | Xaragoth | great idea |
| 18:30.53 | Xaragoth | :D |
| 18:30.58 | Stoney | oh crap |
| 18:31.02 | Stoney | is my dicebot on |
| 18:31.04 | Stoney | roll d20 |
| 18:31.10 | Stoney | lol |
| 18:31.12 | Xaragoth | in general anything involving cute banelings is great |
| 18:31.21 | Xaragoth | rolling d20 |
| 18:31.22 | Stoney | Xaragoth rolled d20 --> [ 1d20=10 ]{10} |
| 18:31.22 | Xaragoth | :O |
| 18:31.25 | Lilianna | c.c |
| 18:31.27 | Alexaz | i actualy had gay sex with male banneling |
| 18:31.31 | Alexaz | it was nasty.... |
| 18:31.33 | Lilianna | okay now I have a Nexus floating above a pylon |
| 18:31.36 | Lilianna | time to rotate it! :D |
| 18:31.42 | Stoney | Go lil! |
| 18:33.00 | Stoney | if you could do it with another nexus and send it to me, that would help me so much <3 <3 |
| 18:33.19 | Lilianna | well need to find the rotate bit. c.c |
| 18:33.47 | allenmelon | whats the difference between key pressed and button pressed? |
| 18:34.04 | cosh | can someone tell me why my spine crawler is only shooting an untextured ball (as if i forgot to copy the missile? but I did that) |
| 18:34.13 | Nash | actors |
| 18:34.20 | Nash | they didn't get copied |
| 18:34.22 | cosh | but |
| 18:34.26 | cosh | i copied them now oO |
| 18:34.32 | cosh | so I thought |
| 18:34.38 | cosh | gonna doulbe check, thanks |
| 18:34.43 | Nash | well the references will be fucked |
| 18:34.48 | Trager | allenmelon I think button means an actual button ingame |
| 18:34.55 | allenmelon | ah i see |
| 18:36.17 | Nash | copying tends to fuck up actors :G |
| 18:36.26 | Lilianna | there we go |
| 18:36.27 | Lilianna | got it |
| 18:36.31 | cosh | yea I have already noticed that hehe |
| 18:36.31 | Stoney | Lil, are you doing it like the tutorial says and making the extra stuff stuck onto the unit as an effect? |
| 18:37.25 | allenmelon | the reason wasd lags is because of the key pressed event? |
| 18:37.28 | Nash | the model field in Art tab does NOT work if it's set to a text string, even if the text is correct, for example |
| 18:37.44 | Lilianna | Nope |
| 18:37.48 | Lilianna | didnt do anything related to weapons |
| 18:37.52 | Nash | has to be Actor :G |
| 18:37.53 | cosh | yea I have set it to actors |
| 18:37.55 | Lilianna | http://i34.tinypic.com/dwumpe.jpg |
| 18:37.59 | cosh | but it still shows up as a grey ball |
| 18:37.59 | Lilianna | Its all in Actors |
| 18:38.05 | cosh | and I have everything copied |
| 18:38.22 | Stoney | badass |
| 18:38.23 | cosh | is going insane |
| 18:38.45 | Stoney | do you think you could DCC me your map so i could see it? |
| 18:38.56 | cosh | me? ^^ |
| 18:38.58 | Lilianna | Yup |
| 18:39.00 | Stoney | ty |
| 18:39.01 | cosh | =( |
| 18:39.02 | Stoney | !!!! |
| 18:39.03 | Xaragoth | nice job lil |
| 18:39.16 | Nash | http://home.planet.nl/%7Eaggel005/alphabeta/earlyalpha/alpha3.jpg |
| 18:39.24 | Nash | Best looking SC ever |
| 18:39.24 | Stoney | perfecto |
| 18:40.12 | Stoney | the creep looks like a wavy ocean |
| 18:40.17 | P_R_Deltoid | well |
| 18:40.20 | P_R_Deltoid | Just tried Hide! |
| 18:40.21 | Stoney | in the middle of space |
| 18:40.26 | P_R_Deltoid | game really cut down on latency |
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| 18:40.28 | P_R_Deltoid | still ain't the best |
| 18:40.32 | P_R_Deltoid | ain't goo enough for an fps |
| 18:40.35 | P_R_Deltoid | but an rpg |
| 18:40.38 | Lilianna | http://www.wikiupload.com/bmKD0TZO |
| 18:40.39 | Nash | http://home.planet.nl/%7Eaggel005/alphabeta/earlyalpha/alpha5.jpg |
| 18:40.39 | P_R_Deltoid | I think would work really well |
| 18:40.44 | Nash | drones mining in SPACE |
| 18:40.46 | allenmelon | how do you make a hotkey for a new ability? |
| 18:41.00 | Nash | create a button |
| 18:41.03 | Stoney | sweet thx so much <3 |
| 18:41.09 | Lilianna | No prob. :) |
| 18:41.15 | Trager | Why does a unit cost 300 to create even though I have it set to 150? |
| 18:41.16 | Lilianna | I wanted to rotate the nexuses sideways |
| 18:41.24 | Lilianna | but it didnt do that, Im curious as to why. :O |
| 18:41.36 | Stoney | it looks like the tutorial has a few common angles |
| 18:41.40 | Stoney | like upside down |
| 18:41.43 | Stoney | just not sure how to set them |
| 18:41.51 | Stoney | but you did it all in actors huh? |
| 18:41.54 | allenmelon | can you put an ability to a unit with a hotkey but without a button in command card? |
| 18:42.26 | Nash | nope, don't think so |
| 18:42.36 | Nash | the hotkey is defined in Button |
| 18:42.47 | Stoney | oh no |
| 18:42.48 | Nash | you could put it on Command Card 2 or something |
| 18:42.49 | allenmelon | dangit |
| 18:42.52 | Stoney | in my editor it only looks like... |
| 18:43.01 | rooj | it would be nice if abilities 1-2-3-4 used the same hotkey everytime |
| 18:43.01 | Stoney | a weird hollowed out upside down enxus |
| 18:43.03 | Stoney | nexus |
| 18:43.06 | P_R_Deltoid | Trager, you screwed something up |
| 18:43.07 | Stoney | not 2 |
| 18:43.17 | Trager | yea I know that part |
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| 18:43.23 | rooj | because thats all it is, stoney |
| 18:43.23 | Trager | but I dont know where it could be |
| 18:43.30 | rooj | it wasnt meant to be viewed from the angle ;/ |
| 18:43.32 | Trager | as far as I know I changed it to 150 everyone |
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| 18:43.36 | rooj | so there was no reason to detail it |
| 18:43.36 | Stoney | but didn't Lil make 2 nexes stacked? |
| 18:43.41 | Trager | in the training, ability, and the unit itself |
| 18:43.44 | Trager | what did I miss/ |
| 18:44.02 | RodOfNOD | congratulations u have beaten HellTD on the second try! weeeeee |
| 18:44.14 | Fromethius | so if you give a zealot a build ability and your race is terran and you misplace building something it will say in an scv voice "i can't build there." is there any way to change a player's race during the game-time or make the zealot play a custom alert when it cannot build somewhere? |
| 18:44.46 | Lilianna | AH there we go, weird |
| 18:44.50 | Trager | swap the sound files around? |
| 18:44.54 | Stoney | oh well gtg, thanks Lil, I'll play with it some more later! |
| 18:44.55 | RodOfNOD | u would have to make it play no sounds at all and then trigger them if even that would work not sure Fromethius |
| 18:45.10 | Fromethius | oh ok.. nevermind then |
| 18:45.12 | Lilianna | Stoney, its all Actors |
| 18:45.16 | jorgenpt | Isn't "can't build there" based on hte unit and not the race? |
| 18:45.19 | Lilianna | Site Ops and Site Actors |
| 18:45.20 | Stoney | which attributes? |
| 18:45.22 | allenmelon | where do i make the hotkey? |
| 18:45.26 | RodOfNOD | prettu sure its on race jorgenpt |
| 18:45.30 | Lilianna | I created 6 new actors |
| 18:45.34 | jorgenpt | Lame :/ |
| 18:45.34 | P_R_Deltoid | jorgenpt, not really |
| 18:45.34 | Nash | Button, Hotkey field |
| 18:45.36 | Lilianna | its not just attributes |
| 18:45.40 | P_R_Deltoid | I think it has something to do with the building beind made |
| 18:45.48 | P_R_Deltoid | if it's a terran building, it's gonna be an scv talking |
| 18:45.59 | P_R_Deltoid | Trager, I just made a marine cost 25 minerals |
| 18:46.01 | P_R_Deltoid | so |
| 18:46.02 | RodOfNOD | i doubt it that isnt what would happen in sc or wc3 |
| 18:46.05 | Stoney | what are their names lil? |
| 18:46.09 | P_R_Deltoid | And I changed one thing ON the unit itself |
| 18:46.09 | RodOfNOD | i cant imagine they changed it |
| 18:46.17 | Trager | not doing ot for me |
| 18:46.19 | P_R_Deltoid | so really, you changed too much, I think |
| 18:46.19 | Lilianna | make that 8 Actors |
| 18:46.27 | P_R_Deltoid | reset what you changed to default |
| 18:46.31 | Trager | it's in Cost - cost, right? |
| 18:46.31 | P_R_Deltoid | and just change the unit cost |
| 18:46.38 | P_R_Deltoid | Yep |
| 18:46.42 | Trager | no dice |
| 18:46.50 | Nash | can probably find the actor that handles the can't build sound and edit it |
| 18:46.56 | Trager | FieldBattlecruiser |
| 18:46.57 | P_R_Deltoid | You said you changed the ability and shit too |
| 18:46.57 | Trager | Cost - Cost(150|0|0|0) |
| 18:47.05 | P_R_Deltoid | That is custom resource |
| 18:47.06 | Lilianna | Pylon T1, Pylon T2, Pylon T1 Site, Pylon T2 Site, Pylon T1 Rot Left, Pylon T2 Rot Right, SOpAttachPylonHead, SOpAdjustPylon |
| 18:47.09 | P_R_Deltoid | you have a custom resource? |
| 18:47.11 | Lilianna | Thats all the Actors I made |
| 18:47.15 | P_R_Deltoid | waut |
| 18:47.16 | P_R_Deltoid | wait |
| 18:47.17 | P_R_Deltoid | nevermind |
| 18:47.19 | P_R_Deltoid | games dumb |
| 18:47.21 | Stoney | oh all under Pylon |
| 18:47.24 | P_R_Deltoid | anyways |
| 18:47.27 | P_R_Deltoid | that costs? 300? |
| 18:47.28 | Lilianna | the last two aren't |
| 18:47.31 | Trager | yea, i noticed that too |
| 18:47.32 | Trager | it does |
| 18:47.34 | Stoney | Ok great |
| 18:47.34 | Trager | and shouldnt |
| 18:47.34 | Stoney | thanks |
| 18:47.37 | Lilianna | but thats because I was following the Tut for that |
| 18:47.43 | Stoney | I'll figure it out |
| 18:47.47 | Stoney | seeya later! |
| 18:47.47 | P_R_Deltoid | Gonna try, this is just a basic battlecruiser? |
| 18:48.37 | Trager | well, no, but none of the other attr I've edited are linked to cost |
| 18:48.48 | TheWho | How much does 4 way directional moving make the game lag for 6 players? Is it unplayable? |
| 18:48.52 | allenmelon | i dont see a hotkey field... |
| 18:49.00 | Lilianna | I think its funny when I place my pylon, the two Nexuses on top of it show up in red, because theya re too close |
| 18:49.17 | Lilianna | just the Nexuses though |
| 18:49.47 | P_R_Deltoid | TheWho, Well, the guy ont he front page did it and it is playable |
| 18:49.49 | P_R_Deltoid | that Hide game. |
| 18:50.02 | Nash | Did you create a Button object? |
| 18:50.05 | P_R_Deltoid | Trager, I did it in about 30 seconds and it works fine |
| 18:50.09 | P_R_Deltoid | BC is costing 150 |
| 18:50.12 | Trager | what the hell |
| 18:50.38 | TheWho | oh crap I didn't see that, that is awesome! |
| 18:50.56 | P_R_Deltoid | but I don't think he said HOW yet |
| 18:50.59 | P_R_Deltoid | or if he ever will |
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| 18:51.40 | Trager | deltoid I reset the starport ability to default, trying now |
| 18:51.54 | Nash | Well I know how I'd do it... Well, try at least. |
| 18:52.36 | Trager | nope, now the resources are even more mess up |
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| 18:53.12 | Nash | You killed your game |
| 18:53.14 | P_R_Deltoid | then you fucked something up bad |
| 18:53.18 | P_R_Deltoid | on a deeper level |
| 18:53.26 | P_R_Deltoid | and considering I have no idea what you did or what you are doing |
| 18:53.35 | P_R_Deltoid | I have no idea what you shouldchange |
| 18:54.00 | Trager | that makes two of us |
| 18:54.13 | depthsofchaos | vjeux, theres no skype contact fot the news you posted :o |
| 18:54.18 | Xaragoth | http://forums.sc2mapster.com/general/general-chat/8030-2nd-machinima-workshop/ <- for those we might join me on skype |
| 18:54.24 | Xaragoth | I like some company while doing this stuff |
| 18:54.31 | depthsofchaos | aahah |
| 18:54.35 | depthsofchaos | whats you skype id |
| 18:54.37 | depthsofchaos | not displayed |
| 18:54.52 | allenmelon | ok i made a button, but i only see description, prefix, and suffix text keys |
| 18:54.53 | Tinman | Xaragoth why skype and not something like TeamSpeak or Ventrilo ;) |
| 18:55.11 | Xaragoth | cause I have neither :P |
| 18:55.17 | Xaragoth | and skype is nice on its level of quality |
| 18:55.20 | Nash | There's a field with a Clear button by it |
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| 18:55.26 | Nash | Says Unknown or something |
| 18:55.29 | jorgenpt | Anyone tried this: http://www.sc2mapster.com/assets/wasd-lagless-movement/ |
| 18:55.31 | Tinman | Xaragoth I have a TS3 server running max quality 100 slots |
| 18:55.52 | Xaragoth | well, if we get more people, sure |
| 18:55.52 | depthsofchaos | Xargoth, you didnt tell your skype name |
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| 18:55.59 | Xaragoth | didn't I ? |
| 18:56.03 | Tinman | If you want to try it out |
| 18:56.05 | depthsofchaos | nope |
| 18:56.18 | Xaragoth | aw damn |
| 18:56.18 | Xaragoth | ^^ |
| 18:56.21 | Reelix | Hi all - I'm trying to reduce the queue in the command centre to 1 block - Is this possible? |
| 18:56.26 | Alexaz | Whats the action to get a smooth transtition while turning on/off game UI? |
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| 18:56.46 | Trager | well I have to go to work |
| 18:56.51 | Trager | I'll puzzle this out later |
| 18:56.54 | allenmelon | Nash: i dont see anything like that |
| 18:57.44 | Tinman | Well if you want to Xaragoth I got a Workshop channel set up with your name as the password |
| 18:57.47 | Nash | advanced fields? |
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| 18:58.26 | Xaragoth | i'll stick to skype tinman, but thanks |
| 18:58.30 | Xaragoth | it'll have sound this time anyways |
| 18:58.34 | allenmelon | no? |
| 18:58.55 | Nash | Turn on advanced fields then |
| 18:58.56 | Tinman | Ok, I am just throwing out suggestions! |
| 18:59.34 | Atlos | is there a condition to check if a player is in the game? |
| 18:59.54 | jorgenpt | What's a Game Link in the trigger editor? |
| 19:00.03 | Nash | player is in Active Players? |
| 19:00.21 | P_R_Deltoid | jorgenpt, it's just a certain kind of variable |
| 19:00.26 | Nash | pewpewpew |
| 19:00.27 | P_R_Deltoid | it holds other kinds of variables or something |
| 19:00.29 | jorgenpt | What is it used for? |
| 19:00.40 | P_R_Deltoid | Not exactly sure, actually |
| 19:00.42 | P_R_Deltoid | hmmm |
| 19:00.48 | Atlos | ah ok got it thanks |
| 19:00.52 | Atlos | was under playergroup |
| 19:00.54 | Atlos | not players |
| 19:00.57 | Atlos | for the category |
| 19:01.03 | Nash | Indeed. |
| 19:01.03 | progammer | mainly to link to data editor object i think |
| 19:01.23 | progammer | like unit type, soundtrack, abilities etc |
| 19:01.57 | jorgenpt | But there's a Unit Type variable type |
| 19:02.14 | Nash | LIES |
| 19:02.53 | vjeux | http://www.sc2mapster.com/ |
| 19:02.58 | vjeux | machinma workshop starting |
| 19:06.00 | Acemore | woot i'm on livestream |
| 19:06.04 | Acemore | i'm famous now |
| 19:06.08 | Acemore | where's my money |
| 19:06.19 | allenmelon | i have no idea where to assign hotkeys |
| 19:06.19 | Acemore | x) |
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| 19:07.01 | Fisker | btw Sixen my man |
| 19:07.09 | devilesk | Sexin |
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| 19:08.34 | devilesk | hi mike |
| 19:08.58 | Pinzu | how do I get an arry |
| 19:09.03 | Pinzu | as intiger |
| 19:09.11 | devilesk | you click the variable |
| 19:09.18 | devilesk | and check array |
| 19:09.18 | Pinzu | sorry let me rephrase |
| 19:09.19 | Pinzu | ;) |
| 19:09.35 | Pinzu | Word[X] |
| 19:09.48 | Pinzu | Unit[X] |
| 19:10.12 | Pinzu | oh nvm |
| 19:10.15 | Pinzu | found it |
| 19:10.59 | s3rius|afk | @vjeux you know that the in news where you published the wiki all of the links to the trigger categories don't work (linked wrongly) |
| 19:11.24 | Reelix | Gah - I'm trying to do "If player is not training an SCV, then display a warning" - It's rather difficult o_O |
| 19:11.43 | devilesk | yea the cat is telling me he's sowwy |
| 19:11.47 | devilesk | and he tried wearlly hard to find it |
| 19:12.47 | vjeux | fuck |
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| 19:13.38 | Chainclaw | Does anyone know how the "Consume DNA" ability works? I'm trying to make it so it heals an allied unit for 50, instead of killing a dude |
| 19:14.18 | Nash | Queued Unit Type in Training Slot? |
| 19:14.51 | Nash | check all slots of all Commands Centers |
| 19:15.20 | Reelix | I reduced the command centre slot to 1 :p |
| 19:15.39 | Nash | Why don't you make a new ability instead of remaking one you don't understand? |
| 19:15.47 | Nash | :G |
| 19:16.06 | Nash | If anything, base it on the Queen's heal spell |
| 19:16.23 | Chainclaw | that's what I'm probably going to do now |
| 19:16.34 | Chainclaw | I haven't made a new ability so far, I've just been heavily modifying existing ones |
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| 19:17.17 | Nash | create ability with target filters Ally, Player and whatever else you like, add a Modify Unit effect |
| 19:17.30 | [newbie] | i made a hero protoss ability that drains shields sense they regenerate and heals the unit |
| 19:17.31 | Nash | set Modify Unit effect to change vitals Life +50 |
| 19:17.53 | Chainclaw | yeah, it's just the tricky part is getting all the graphical effects of an ability going |
| 19:17.59 | Reelix | Nash: I'm using a "SCVTraining" switch - Setting to 0 when an SCV is completed, and to 1 when an SCV starts training |
| 19:18.18 | [newbie] | i just wish my toxic creep wasnt so big ugly and cluncky |
| 19:18.36 | Reelix | "Converts a string to a unit type" - Does that work? o_O |
| 19:18.37 | [newbie] | clunky ahem |
| 19:19.17 | Nash | I made it so a Hero has a Defensive Matrix ability that can only be auto-cast :P |
| 19:19.27 | Reelix | Whoa - Kewl :D |
| 19:19.38 | Nash | It's quite trivial, actually |
| 19:20.01 | Vail | and i have an upgrade that makes units take damage on enemy creep |
| 19:20.18 | Nash | I'm most pleased with my Roach triggers though. |
| 19:20.25 | Chainclaw | eh, tranfusion works well enough |
| 19:20.40 | Nash | When they get below 50 HP they burrow and follow the Heroes around until they've healed |
| 19:20.48 | Nash | and pop back up and attack again |
| 19:20.55 | Nash | It's evil! |
| 19:21.03 | Vail | that is sweet |
| 19:21.20 | Chainclaw | at this point now I have a firebat with two abilities from the zerg queen. Shockwave and transfusion |
| 19:21.25 | Vail | i may not be a trigger person but i can appreciate cool triggering when i see it |
| 19:21.41 | Nash | You have to focus fire them, stun them or use high damage abilities |
| 19:21.44 | Demonette | why you use an trigger for that? |
| 19:21.47 | Reelix | Chainclaw: The queen has a shockwave ability? |
| 19:21.55 | Chainclaw | it's in the editor, it's pretty cool |
| 19:21.55 | Demonette | you can do an behaviour set that does it as well =P |
| 19:22.00 | Nash | meh |
| 19:22.02 | Chainclaw | it's an AOE stun centered on the caster |
| 19:22.07 | devilesk | is neutral player |
| 19:22.08 | devilesk | included |
| 19:22.10 | devilesk | in active player group? |
| 19:22.17 | Reelix | Aaah, ok |
| 19:22.32 | Nash | some things are easier with triggers |
| 19:23.41 | Reelix | Gah - Is it so hard to set "SCV" as a unit type :| |
| 19:24.08 | Nash | no |
| 19:24.22 | Nash | you pick it from list |
| 19:24.27 | Nash | done and done |
| 19:24.30 | rooj | bought time i won a match |
| 19:24.34 | rooj | been losing all day O_O; |
| 19:24.48 | Reelix | With the "Unit Type" variable, it just has "Unit closest to point, last trained unit, etc" - Not just "Unit Type X" |
| 19:24.48 | Nash | you purchase time? |
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| 19:25.11 | Vail | i am only now getting to were i can consistantly win against the nornal ai and i feel like i am cheesing to do it |
| 19:25.28 | Demonette | No Kitten here =( |
| 19:25.34 | Nash | KITTUNS |
| 19:25.59 | Demonette | Lol behaviour have much more style then triggers =P |
| 19:26.01 | Reelix | Vail: Try 2 Medium, or 1 Medium with 90% Handicap |
| 19:26.10 | Nash | style is irrelevant |
| 19:26.16 | Reelix | And how are you killing them? |
| 19:26.40 | Demonette | nope style is great =D |
| 19:26.48 | Demonette | and got a better performance i guess |
| 19:26.49 | Nash | style is for scrubs |
| 19:26.53 | Nash | :G |
| 19:27.01 | Demonette | but doesn't counts if you haven't got many triggers |
| 19:27.05 | Demonette | XD |
| 19:27.10 | Reelix | Unit Type From String: "SCV" |
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| 19:27.12 | Demonette | what ever you wish =P |
| 19:27.17 | Reelix | Hope that works :p |
| 19:27.34 | Nash | just pick Value |
| 19:27.39 | Vail | i am zerg so i 10 pool and then drop two extractors when all of that is done i go roach waren and six roaches and some lings to defend their initial push then i just go mutas and harass the supply line until the ai gives up |
| 19:27.42 | Demonette | SCV's are evil |
| 19:27.43 | Nash | you get a list of all unit types |
| 19:27.46 | Nash | pick one |
| 19:27.49 | Nash | done |
| 19:27.58 | devilesk | is there a way to remove the custom game variant |
| 19:27.59 | devilesk | from the list |
| 19:28.05 | Paras1te | o hai |
| 19:28.06 | devilesk | and just show the game variants you're made |
| 19:28.30 | Nash | But hey, insist on using function if you want :P |
| 19:29.07 | Reelix | Vail: That's legit play |
| 19:29.19 | Vail | ah i am glad. |
| 19:29.22 | Reelix | Try 2 Mediums |
| 19:29.27 | Nash | What's not legit play? |
| 19:29.41 | Reelix | Cheesing would be 6/8 pooling, then killing them with your first 6 lings |
| 19:29.57 | Reelix | Photon Rushes, Spine Crawler Rushes, etf |
| 19:29.59 | Reelix | *etc |
| 19:30.05 | Chainclaw | that's not cheesing, it's legit |
| 19:30.09 | Reelix | Double gate 5 Zealot rush |
| 19:30.10 | Nash | Whatever works. |
| 19:30.26 | Chainclaw | cheesing would be running a program in the background to periodically slow down your connection to fuck with the timing of your opponent, and make that "waiting for players" thing pop up |
| 19:30.30 | Demonette | sings 'Look at my horse, my horse is amazing'. |
| 19:30.32 | Reelix | Chainclaw: I saw one guy who played over 2000 games, with his average game time lasting 5 minutes -_- |
| 19:30.33 | devilesk | CHEESETOWN |
| 19:30.49 | Chainclaw | early game rush is an important part of Starcraft |
| 19:30.49 | Reelix | Chainclaw: No, that's "Cheating" :p |
| 19:31.04 | Demonette | Cheesing is if you built your base in your enemy |
| 19:31.07 | Chainclaw | cheating would be writing a packet sniffer and building a program that gives you access to information you don't normally have |
| 19:31.21 | Reelix | Chainclaw: Killing a Diamond player with 2 reapers is not playing properly :p |
| 19:31.35 | Chainclaw | as long as it's within the rules of the game, you aren't cheesing |
| 19:31.40 | Nash | Pragmatism wins. |
| 19:31.40 | Chainclaw | no one complains in chess about pawn rushes |
| 19:31.45 | P_R_Deltoid | what? |
| 19:31.46 | Demonette | Cheese is the game!! |
| 19:31.49 | Reelix | So drop hacking isn't cheating? Interesting ;p |
| 19:31.49 | P_R_Deltoid | Cheese isn't cheating... |
| 19:31.53 | P_R_Deltoid | Cheese is an all in |
| 19:31.54 | P_R_Deltoid | basically |
| 19:31.54 | devilesk | cheese is a strategy that's nearly impossible to beat if not scouted |
| 19:31.57 | devilesk | but easy to beat if scouted |
| 19:31.58 | Demonette | cheese is inside the rules =P |
| 19:32.00 | EternalWraith | 2v2 is cheesefest. 6 pool + double gate zealots = gg. |
| 19:32.01 | P_R_Deltoid | Cheese is definitely not drophacking or cheating |
| 19:32.05 | Nash | Scrubs make their own rules, lose, and bitch about "lameness". |
| 19:32.07 | devilesk | 2v2 is who has the best cheese |
| 19:32.11 | devilesk | yes nash |
| 19:32.14 | devilesk | that is definition of scrub |
| 19:32.17 | devilesk | did you read the scrub article |
| 19:32.20 | Demonette | if cheese fail it fails epicly =D |
| 19:32.21 | Nash | yes |
| 19:32.35 | Nash | If you mean Sirlin's. |
| 19:32.36 | vjeux | wiki link has been fixed on the main page |
| 19:32.38 | Reelix | EternalWraith: I've seen 4v4 teams use double gateways as their only strategy -_- |
| 19:32.39 | vjeux | links |
| 19:32.43 | devilesk | CHEESETOWN |
| 19:32.52 | Chainclaw | The only time cheese is appropriate in the context of gaming discussion is using low kick sweep in Mortal Kombat against a slightly retarded person who doesn't know about low block |
| 19:33.00 | Paras1te | Quick question: when I try to select unit with trigger, it will become selected only when it's CENTER point is in range. Is it possible to expand selectable area of unit? It's especially important for my big units. Thanks. |
| 19:33.08 | Nash | I got bitched at for camping in a realism FPS mod. |
| 19:33.25 | Nash | Because, you know, in real life you always run around hip shooting things. |
| 19:33.32 | devilesk | YA |
| 19:33.39 | devilesk | YOU GOTTA MAKE YOURSELF KNOWN TO ENEMIES |
| 19:33.40 | devilesk | SO THEY CAN KILL YOU |
| 19:33.51 | Nash | Not like you find a strategic position and hold it or so. |
| 19:33.52 | Demonette | if i see i cheesing player i starting building mouses! |
| 19:33.54 | Nash | That's lame. |
| 19:34.10 | EternalWraith | Reelix: Yeah, to be honest I dont find 2v2, 3v3 or 4v4 much fun. There is no strategy but cheese and lame spamming. Anyone can do it. |
| 19:34.11 | Chainclaw | the Starcraft community is so whiny compared to other communities. If you drop a second turn win in Magic, whatever, it's to be expected |
| 19:34.22 | devilesk | stfu |
| 19:34.28 | devilesk | every community says they're shit |
| 19:34.32 | Reelix | Chainclaw: As opposed to Uppercut freezing that's impossible to block, that will guaranteed flawless victory an opponent who gets frozen the first time? :p |
| 19:34.51 | Chainclaw | I'm just saying that the sweep kick is the origin of the word cheese for gaming |
| 19:35.06 | devilesk | i like when idra gets cheesed |
| 19:35.08 | Demonette | getting kicked is a lose cheat |
| 19:35.09 | Paras1te | solution anyone? :< |
| 19:35.30 | Reelix | Reptile: Orb, Uppercut, Orb to hit the guy whilst he's in the air making it unblockable, uppercut, repeat --> Flawless victory |
| 19:35.41 | Nash | Why don't you select the actual units, not mess with regions? |
| 19:35.42 | Nash | D_D |
| 19:35.47 | Chainclaw | that's MK2 though |
| 19:35.55 | Paras1te | i have to |
| 19:36.16 | Reelix | MK3: Freeze, uppercut, freeze the guy before he hits the flaw, repeat --> Flawless victory |
| 19:36.21 | Nash | Then you're doing it wrong. |
| 19:36.23 | Chainclaw | Paras1lte, a crappy work around would be to have a few regions of increasing size, and have each one check for bigger unit types |
| 19:36.23 | Reelix | *floor |
| 19:36.27 | Paras1te | my map is "mouseless" |
| 19:36.37 | Alexaz | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:36.40 | Chainclaw | I know, I was talking MK1 though, the beginning of the cheese snowball |
| 19:36.44 | Alexaz | why the heck is this erroring? |
| 19:36.54 | Reelix | MK1 - Uppercutting goro to death = GG? :p |
| 19:37.23 | Paras1te | Chainclaw: it seems to be the only way ;/ will do that, thanks |
| 19:37.26 | Chainclaw | no one plays against the AI in Mortal Kombat unless they are really bored and there isn't a second dude around to man Player 2 controls |
| 19:37.27 | Nash | Your triggers are poorly designed. |
| 19:37.35 | Reelix | MK2 or 3 you could tap High Punch, and ONLY high punch to kill Motaro, or Kintaro - One of those dudes |
| 19:37.53 | Chainclaw | boss fights of the '90s were kind of special, in a short bus kind of way |
| 19:37.54 | Nash | No workaround is needed. |
| 19:37.59 | Nash | Just do it properly. |
| 19:38.02 | Technomancer | Question: how do I eliminate the minimum range of an attack (in this case, Kerrigan's razor claws) so I dont keep gettin the message "Too Close to Target"? |
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| 19:38.13 | Reelix | MK4 is fun - Although if you doo too much damage it combo blocks you to give the guy a chance : |
| 19:38.19 | Reelix | :p |
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| 19:39.36 | Nash | I don't know exactly what you're doing, but I know how I would do it. |
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| 19:44.31 | Reelix | Meh - Unit Type From String: "SCV" doens't work |
| 19:45.07 | Paras1te | it's not the name of unit |
| 19:45.18 | Nash | yet you persist with using function and not value |
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| 19:46.06 | Reelix | I tried "Unit Type of Picked Unit:" and picked an SCV - Might be my trigger now -_- |
| 19:46.26 | Nash | sigh |
| 19:46.41 | devilesk | i love watching idra get cheesed |
| 19:47.10 | MrDeath | anyone down to test some Baneling Tag (SC2 sheep tag)? USA |
| 19:47.24 | rooj | whats sheep tag? :P |
| 19:47.29 | Nash | Unit Type = SCV |
| 19:47.37 | Paras1te | Regions ;< |
| 19:47.37 | Reelix | A HA |
| 19:47.57 | Nash | not Unit Type = some random function where you try to get it to return SCV |
| 19:47.59 | Nash | D_D |
| 19:48.00 | rooj | thanks to family guy i will never see sheep the same |
| 19:48.02 | MrDeath | haha, theres one team of "sheep" who run around mazing farms while a team of "wolves" tries to kill them within a time limit |
| 19:48.05 | Reelix | "Unit: "SCV" from the Global data table" |
| 19:48.06 | Reelix | :p |
| 19:48.10 | rooj | ah yeah |
| 19:48.10 | rooj | cool |
| 19:48.11 | Nash | NO |
| 19:48.19 | Nash | STOP USING FUNCTIONS |
| 19:48.20 | Reelix | Nash: It worked |
| 19:48.27 | Nash | But it's wrong D_D |
| 19:48.37 | Reelix | How would you do it? |
| 19:48.48 | Nash | I would set Unit Type to Value, not Function |
| 19:48.58 | MrDeath | rooj: you down to try it out? i need a beta tester :) |
| 19:49.01 | Nash | and pick SCV in the list you get when choosing Value |
| 19:49.03 | Nash | D_D |
| 19:49.05 | Reelix | Oh omg |
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| 19:49.09 | Reelix | Didn't see that |
| 19:49.09 | Grim_ | hello |
| 19:49.13 | Reelix | *Facepalm* |
| 19:49.15 | Nash | Clearly not. |
| 19:49.18 | Grim_ | Can somone answer a custom map question? |
| 19:49.21 | Pinzu | but thats also a function! |
| 19:49.22 | Grim_ | for me |
| 19:49.40 | Grim_ | Im adding Zealot Charge to my Dark Templar |
| 19:49.45 | Grim_ | which is on him |
| 19:49.51 | Grim_ | But i dont know how to allow it |
| 19:49.57 | Grim_ | to not have quesirment |
| 19:50.00 | Grim_ | requirment* |
| 19:50.10 | Nash | go to ability Charge |
| 19:50.14 | Grim_ | or apply the requirment |
| 19:50.18 | Grim_ | ok |
| 19:50.20 | Grim_ | im there |
| 19:50.36 | Nash | find the requirement next to Execute |
| 19:50.46 | Nash | Should say Use Charge or something |
| 19:50.54 | Nash | Execute Use Charge |
| 19:50.56 | MrDeath | anyone down to test some Baneling Tag (SC2 sheep tag)? USA.. i need testers~~ |
| 19:50.58 | Grim_ | wait |
| 19:51.03 | Alexaz | does any1 the image path to the top right minerals image? |
| 19:51.05 | Nash | in requirements box |
| 19:51.07 | Grim_ | where is requirment next to execute |
| 19:51.19 | Paras1te | I would, just if EU ;/ |
| 19:51.30 | MrDeath | oh :( |
| 19:51.34 | Chainclaw | Is there an easy way to find the units who assisted in a kill? |
| 19:51.36 | Nash | the box that is named Requirements |
| 19:52.02 | Grim_ | Command Buttons -requierments |
| 19:52.03 | Grim_ | ? |
| 19:52.18 | Nash | No. |
| 19:52.28 | Nash | Open the Ability itself |
| 19:52.32 | Nash | not the unit |
| 19:52.32 | Alexaz | guys, help, i need the image which shows the minerals thing |
| 19:52.46 | Alexaz | like at top right or when you roll over building |
| 19:52.58 | Grim_ | yeah im on the ability |
| 19:53.06 | Nash | ah, right |
| 19:53.17 | Nash | Well, there's a requirements box |
| 19:53.24 | Paras1te | Alexaz: just look for "minerals" in the list? |
| 19:53.34 | Nash | It has Cancel and Execute |
| 19:53.36 | Alexaz | nope |
| 19:53.41 | Alexaz | doesnt have it |
| 19:53.47 | Nash | After Execute there is some text like Use Charge |
| 19:53.59 | Paras1te | i belive it was "icon-minerals" |
| 19:54.01 | Grim_ | i dont see the req box |
| 19:54.03 | Paras1te | or something like that |
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| 19:54.14 | Nash | Guess I'll have to open editor |
| 19:54.34 | Alexaz | Thanks, Grim |
| 19:54.34 | Grim_ | oooh it might be the view im in |
| 19:54.47 | Mojache_ | Anyone know if it's possible to lower/raise cliffs with triggers? |
| 19:55.25 | Nash | maybe |
| 19:55.38 | Grim_ | ok i see requirments |
| 19:55.43 | Grim_ | and their is a box tot he right of it |
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| 19:55.47 | Grim_ | with use charge inside it |
| 19:55.54 | Grim_ | but i dont see executre |
| 19:56.15 | Nash | Seems they changed the interface recently |
| 19:56.55 | Nash | Well, press the red X |
| 19:57.00 | Nash | to remove Use Charge requirement |
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| 19:57.13 | Grim_ | done |
| 19:57.15 | Grim_ | lemme check |
| 19:57.20 | Alexaz | how do i resize image in text? |
| 19:57.23 | Nash | then it should say Requirement None |
| 19:58.02 | Grim_ | sickkk |
| 19:58.03 | Grim_ | thanks |
| 19:58.08 | Grim_ | i just need to tweak it now |
| 19:58.13 | Grim_ | is it easy to add the animation to it |
| 19:58.19 | Grim_ | becuase |
| 19:58.22 | Grim_ | im doing it on a DT |
| 19:58.35 | Nash | adding animations is never easy in my experience :/ |
| 19:58.44 | Corbo | anyone has any clue on footprints? |
| 19:58.49 | P_R_Deltoid | why does the editor always bring in a bunch of anime people |
| 19:58.50 | Corbo | adding animations is easy. |
| 19:58.51 | P_R_Deltoid | what is that about |
| 19:58.59 | Corbo | actually animating is the hard part. |
| 19:59.09 | Reelix | P_R_Deltoid: Lol - No idea :p |
| 19:59.38 | Grim_ | alright then can i ask you one more |
| 19:59.41 | Grim_ | i want to give him a nuke |
| 19:59.42 | Nash | I spent wayy too much time getting the Medic heal beam to work right for a weapon |
| 19:59.43 | Grim_ | once again |
| 19:59.45 | Pinzu | my parameter isnt returning a value, why? |
| 19:59.46 | Grim_ | have the commands |
| 19:59.52 | Grim_ | and i just got rid of |
| 19:59.57 | Grim_ | "have nuke" |
| 19:59.57 | Reelix | Grim_: Copy from Ghost, Paste |
| 20:00.02 | Grim_ | i did |
| 20:00.05 | Corbo | I'll also take that as a no :P |
| 20:00.08 | Grim_ | but i need to say that i have a nuke |
| 20:00.10 | Nash | You have to change some effects |
| 20:00.20 | Grim_ | how can i give him like 10 nukes |
| 20:00.20 | Nash | there's a forum thread about it |
| 20:00.29 | Grim_ | ah |
| 20:00.32 | Grim_ | its not simple? |
| 20:00.38 | Nash | it's not hard |
| 20:00.47 | Nash | I just don't remember how to do it |
| 20:00.54 | Reelix | Go to the property of a ghost academy, or something? :| |
| 20:01.07 | Nash | nope, just effects of the nuke ability |
| 20:01.16 | Reelix | Ghosts have a set nuke value - Found where it's set, and set to 10 |
| 20:01.53 | Reelix | Nash: Oddly enough, selecting a SCV from the list didn't work :p |
| 20:02.32 | Nash | http://forums.sc2mapster.com/development/map-development/1332-removing-nuke-requirements/#p12 |
| 20:02.58 | Nash | That's what I did, works fine |
| 20:03.36 | Technomancer | Question: how do I eliminate the minimum range of an attack (in this case, Kerrigan's razor claws) so I dont keep gettin the message "Too Close to Target"? |
| 20:03.43 | Nash | Did you have it as Unit or Unit Type? |
| 20:04.36 | Nash | Weapon properties |
| 20:04.37 | Reelix | Well, you can set it in the trigger - You don't need a variable |
| 20:04.45 | Nash | minimum range |
| 20:05.13 | Technomancer | so is it in th weapons data type then? |
| 20:05.26 | Nash | yes, should be |
| 20:05.32 | Technomancer | cheers |
| 20:05.46 | Nash | set minimum range to 0 |
| 20:06.04 | Technomancer | that is so weird, the minimum range IS zero... UGH |
| 20:06.09 | devilesk | IDRA RAGE |
| 20:06.11 | devilesk | DA BEST |
| 20:06.18 | Chainclaw | This is how I am thinking of checking for kill assists, is there a better way? Double array of timers, # of players x # of players. When a unit takes damage, set the timer [Damage Taker][Damage Dealer]. When a guy dies, check if anyone has assist timers on him |
| 20:06.19 | devilesk | he should get cheesed |
| 20:06.21 | devilesk | every game |
| 20:06.40 | Technomancer | I scaled my unit (Kerrigan char) up to 3.2 for my TD, so maybe the scaling affects it but Stats - Minimum Range is at zero |
| 20:06.45 | Jum-Jum | did he just lose devilesk? |
| 20:06.53 | devilesk | idk im watching random videos |
| 20:06.55 | devilesk | of idra raging |
| 20:06.56 | Wartex | Ah gee, there's gotta be a tutorial for spending attribute points on stats on a hero. I can't be the only one who want to do that. |
| 20:06.57 | devilesk | and getting cheesed |
| 20:07.25 | Wartex | Technomancer, try setting the outer radius for the unit up |
| 20:07.43 | Wartex | don't know if it will help, but it's supposed to affect the units interaction with other units |
| 20:07.47 | Chainclaw | Wartex, I'm doing something like that on my map |
| 20:08.01 | Technomancer | would that be Movement - Radius, Wartex? |
| 20:08.17 | Chainclaw | I built a dialogue with a butter per upgrade type. When the player gains an ability point, I make that dialogue visible. |
| 20:08.28 | Wartex | ah, you're right, Technomancer |
| 20:08.38 | Technomancer | k i'll test it now, thanks |
| 20:08.39 | Nash | make sure you edit the correct Razor Talons |
| 20:08.47 | Nash | there are two of them after all |
| 20:09.00 | Wartex | valerian03 should be the one for Char |
| 20:09.06 | Technomancer | well 3 since my unit is a duplicate but I have selected the correct one |
| 20:09.11 | Technomancer | yeah thanks man |
| 20:09.40 | Nash | minimum range is 0 for both, odd |
| 20:09.50 | Technomancer | right no that wasnt the problem |
| 20:09.56 | Technomancer | Movement - Radius probably was |
| 20:09.58 | Technomancer | I scaled her up :P |
| 20:10.10 | Corbo | lol cheese |
| 20:10.22 | Corbo | I like most of idra's games vs terran |
| 20:10.28 | Corbo | he always ends up like |
| 20:10.33 | Corbo | "You're ridiculous" |
| 20:10.37 | Corbo | "you're a fing joke" |
| 20:10.44 | devilesk | rofl yes |
| 20:10.55 | goomba_ | poo |
| 20:11.14 | Corbo | but the most awesome one was |
| 20:11.23 | Corbo | "congratulations you're good at doing nothing!" |
| 20:11.37 | Reelix | Wow - What happened? |
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| 20:12.56 | goomba_ | corbo did u ever look at my pic |
| 20:13.10 | goomba_ | of the room |
| 20:13.58 | Wartex | Can I tell the game to spawn a certain variation of a model? I want to place the supply crate doodad as a building, but I only want variant 3 of it. I can tell it to only use 1 variant, which means it will always place variant 1. |
| 20:14.16 | Reelix | Create a new model? |
| 20:14.27 | Jum-Jum | doodad he means |
| 20:14.32 | goomba_ | use < > |
| 20:14.37 | goomba_ | o |
| 20:14.42 | Grim_ | How can i cecrease the time it takes for a nuke to come down? |
| 20:14.44 | goomba_ | fail |
| 20:14.45 | Grim_ | decrese |
| 20:14.45 | Wartex | < >? |
| 20:14.49 | goomba_ | nvm |
| 20:14.52 | goomba_ | reading fail |
| 20:15.15 | Technomancer | Wartex: problem still exists :( |
| 20:15.39 | Corbo | I did |
| 20:15.41 | Xackery | i imagine a nuke uses an animation to create the falling effect. if so, change it's duration inside the animation message it gets sent in it's actor page |
| 20:15.42 | Corbo | but on my ipod |
| 20:15.44 | Wartex | Reelix, from scratch you mean? I'm too lazy for that xD |
| 20:15.46 | Corbo | where I didn't see a thing |
| 20:15.49 | Corbo | mind sending it again? |
| 20:15.50 | Wartex | Technomancer ah :/ |
| 20:16.04 | Pinzu | Im so close to finnishing Xackery |
| 20:16.28 | Reelix | Why does a nuke have 100hp? o_O |
| 20:16.29 | Xackery | Cool pinzu. |
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| 20:17.41 | Reelix | Maybe decrease it's mass? :p |
| 20:18.07 | Xackery | http://www.xfire.com/video/33f1fa/ smoke screen ability. causes them to lose ranged attack. makes enemies blink black while affected, heh. |
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| 20:18.55 | Reelix | Randomly blink? |
| 20:19.12 | Xackery | blink black, well it's really a tint color set with cycle |
| 20:19.12 | Reelix | Oh- Coulour blink - Nevermind :p |
| 20:19.31 | Reelix | How'd you make them loose ranged attacks? |
| 20:19.40 | Nash | Ghost - Nuke (Persistent) |
| 20:19.52 | Nash | Initial Delay and Period Count |
| 20:19.53 | Xackery | Modified their weapons, gave em minimum 1 range, and bonus range -10 |
| 20:20.05 | Reelix | Nash: http://www.reelix.za.net/SCVTest.SC2Map <--- If you build na SCV, the string trigger hits, not the unit type trigger :) |
| 20:20.26 | Nash | there's another delay of 1.25 sec |
| 20:20.32 | Nash | for a total of 20 |
| 20:20.54 | Reelix | Heh |
| 20:20.56 | Nash | If you set Period Count = 0 you get 10 sec nuke |
| 20:21.37 | Nash | 1.25 + 8.75 + 10 :G |
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| 20:21.53 | casperb | o.o |
| 20:22.04 | casperb | vjeux: have you discovered the time machine? :P |
| 20:22.08 | casperb | Posted by vjeux 3 minutes from now |
| 20:22.22 | vjeux | yeah i'm like that :p |
| 20:22.55 | Technomancer | What is Stats - Range Slop? |
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| 20:24.11 | Vail | i figure its either range stop or range slope |
| 20:24.42 | Technomancer | its spelled S L O P |
| 20:24.46 | Technomancer | thats why im like wtfd |
| 20:24.48 | Vail | either that or that field feed free range pigs or something |
| 20:24.49 | Technomancer | wtf* |
| 20:25.18 | Paras1te | Is it possible to make "player-locked" banks right now? |
| 20:25.32 | Paras1te | Or player name is still text ;/ |
| 20:25.43 | Vail | some one should do some extensive testing on that pararmater |
| 20:26.22 | Zarakk | Anyone here able to hook me up with an animated Zeratul portrait avatar? |
| 20:29.29 | Vail | any one know why the editor or atleast MY editor will nolonger test mods ? |
| 20:30.47 | Nash | Reelix: you're doing it wrong, that's why it doesn't work |
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| 20:31.35 | Demonette | Jummy jum XD |
| 20:31.42 | Vail | no help at all eh? |
| 20:32.24 | Chainclaw | has anyone implemented any kill assist checking yet? The way I did it seems kind of dumb |
| 20:32.43 | Vail | kill assis checking? |
| 20:33.00 | Nash | dunno why you're using a variable |
| 20:33.01 | Chainclaw | I want to give experience points to both the player who made a kill, and any players who helped kill the unit |
| 20:33.16 | Chainclaw | to help ease complaints about kill stealing |
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| 20:34.12 | Chainclaw | I did this http://pastebin.com/3aSMAw6j |
| 20:34.28 | Nash | anyway |
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| 20:34.39 | Nash | triggering unit = Command Center |
| 20:34.51 | Chainclaw | here it is with the kill event http://pastebin.com/Nf5N8cHh |
| 20:34.57 | Nash | so your condition is Command Center = SCV |
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| 20:35.02 | Wartex | Oooh! Almost got my stat increase function to work now! Only problem is that I can learn "Increase Attack Speed" only once. If I get a new level and enter the spend attribute points submenu it's gone. |
| 20:35.14 | Nash | Which NEVER EVER will be true. |
| 20:35.19 | Nash | So yeah. |
| 20:35.28 | Chainclaw | Wartex, you can set the max level of ugprades |
| 20:35.36 | PapaRoach | well that was fun, first day of new semester and 2/3 of my classes were canceled |
| 20:35.55 | Wartex | Chainclaw, are you referring to Count(max)? |
| 20:36.11 | Chainclaw | let me post a screenshot |
| 20:36.13 | Wartex | It's currently on 25, so I don't know.. |
| 20:36.35 | Bluerobin427 | PapaRoach: haha nice |
| 20:36.40 | Chainclaw | http://yfrog.com/0pupgradesj |
| 20:36.44 | PapaRoach | =P |
| 20:36.56 | Chainclaw | in the bottom right, there is "Max Level" |
| 20:36.58 | Chainclaw | I have mine set to 10 |
| 20:37.15 | Bluerobin427 | I only have classes tues/thurs this semester and classes are going to start on a wednesday |
| 20:37.24 | Bluerobin427 | so... I'm gonna have one class that week |
| 20:37.37 | Wartex | Chainclaw, oh, I haden't considered using upgrades for a stat system |
| 20:37.46 | Chainclaw | yeah, it works pretty nice |
| 20:37.54 | Nash | I just made all experience shared |
| 20:38.09 | Nash | which is especially helpful for whoever is playing Medic |
| 20:38.38 | Chainclaw | Here is my upgrade stat function / dialogue clicked event to upgrade that stat http://pastebin.com/fwvZKZUt |
| 20:39.02 | Wartex | haha was just about to ask how to do something like that :P |
| 20:39.05 | Chainclaw | I'd rather not do fully shared EXP for my map |
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| 20:39.24 | Chainclaw | It's got some extra code in there so the AI can upgrade stats, too |
| 20:39.51 | Wartex | I'm not sure I want to go into custom dialogues with my map though. I'll try to work it into the command card somehow |
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| 20:40.38 | Chainclaw | Here is how I setup the list of available upgrades / upgrade dialogue http://pastebin.com/EZarbTwF |
| 20:40.48 | Nash | you could just give XP based on damage dealt instead of kills |
| 20:40.52 | Wartex | It shouldn't be too hard... The armory dispenses upgrades somehow, so I'll just have ha look at that one |
| 20:41.00 | Nash | or both |
| 20:41.13 | Chainclaw | I like the standard method of kill + kill assist |
| 20:41.17 | Pinzu | Need some euro guy to help me bug check my system |
| 20:41.25 | Pinzu | it works but after a while |
| 20:41.30 | Pinzu | it gets messed up |
| 20:41.40 | Nash | well adding XP via triggers isn't trivial |
| 20:41.56 | Chainclaw | I almost went damage dealt purely for exp, but that would lead towards weird situations where people avoid attacking the enemy team's DPS/caster unit and go for the tank for big exp |
| 20:42.29 | Nash | actually, tank would give you less XP, assuming the tank has armor |
| 20:42.30 | Chainclaw | Nash, I have it all done here http://pastebin.com/Nf5N8cHh |
| 20:43.06 | Chainclaw | I was assuming health tank, but you're right. In general it would just potentially lead to weird situations. It's also harder to balance out pacing when you do it that way |
| 20:43.16 | Nash | there's no reason to not attack proper targets |
| 20:43.21 | Chainclaw | and a flat bonus for kill assists makes it so people are willing to play non-DPS classes more |
| 20:43.21 | Technomancer | where do you assign new weapons again? forgot >.< |
| 20:43.31 | Nash | once caster/DPS is dead you can attack the tank anyway |
| 20:43.51 | jorgenpt | Hm. Can I show a unit only to a single player? (in triggers?) |
| 20:43.54 | Chainclaw | I guess it's less of who you attack, and more of who you play as. If your exp is purely based on damage, then DPS classes level up the fastest |
| 20:44.21 | Chainclaw | jorgenpt " Unit - Share Vision of Beacon (Terran Large) [63.94, 56.79] with Player PlayerInAllPlayers" |
| 20:44.54 | Chainclaw | brb |
| 20:44.57 | Nash | As opposed to if it's based on kills |
| 20:45.03 | Nash | or what? |
| 20:46.12 | Nash | Support classes get screwed either way. |
| 20:46.57 | Nash | Damage favors fast or AoE attackers |
| 20:47.01 | jorgenpt | I don't mean reveal :-) |
| 20:47.13 | Pinzu | make so each class lvl up diffrently!?!? |
| 20:47.15 | Nash | Kills favor burst damage attackers |
| 20:47.23 | jorgenpt | I mean actually show. Like if two players are looking at the same spot, one will see nothing, one will see a unit |
| 20:48.50 | Nash | the only other option is damage taken, which would favor a tank class |
| 20:49.23 | Nash | buffers/debuffers/healers get nothing |
| 20:49.25 | Chainclaw | I'm rolling support abilities like heal into classes with attacks |
| 20:49.29 | Chainclaw | and buffs |
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| 20:49.52 | Chainclaw | I put the Queen's transfusion ability onto firebats, and the guardian anti-ranged shield onto marauders |
| 20:50.01 | Tinman | vjeux: you still there? |
| 20:50.10 | Xaragoth | slaps vjeux around a bit with a large trout |
| 20:50.13 | Nash | My Medic has an attack, but attacking can mean letting people die |
| 20:50.14 | Xaragoth | slaps vjeux around a bit with a large trout |
| 20:50.18 | Xaragoth | REACT |
| 20:50.27 | Chainclaw | jorgenpt, you could experiment with cloaking? Give a neutral player a cloaked unit there, and share vision with the player who can see? |
| 20:50.42 | Tinman | VJEUX !! |
| 20:50.43 | Nash | and if you're worried about people trying to optimize THEIR XP at their team's expense... |
| 20:50.44 | jorgenpt | Hm, ok |
| 20:50.44 | vjeux | ? |
| 20:50.50 | vjeux | Holy shit wtf? |
| 20:50.50 | Xaragoth | there he is |
| 20:50.57 | Tinman | Finaly |
| 20:51.00 | Xaragoth | vjeux |
| 20:51.04 | Xaragoth | we're doing some stupid stuff now |
| 20:51.04 | Nash | Well, why would someone heal when they can do damage and get kills? |
| 20:51.09 | Xaragoth | we're going to play on bnet |
| 20:51.14 | Chainclaw | I'm not using the standard medic heal that heals slowly over time. I'm giving my heal unit a single heal power that has a high casting cost and long cooldown |
| 20:51.15 | Xaragoth | and we'll talk while doing |
| 20:51.21 | Pinzu | because they get experience for healing' |
| 20:51.22 | Pinzu | sheers |
| 20:51.27 | Fromethius | is there an actor term for determing whether or not the unit has a specific behavior on them? |
| 20:51.31 | Xaragoth | and we need moar people :> |
| 20:51.33 | vjeux | on the stream? |
| 20:51.37 | Chainclaw | I might even remove the heal ability |
| 20:51.38 | Tinman | yes |
| 20:51.39 | Xaragoth | yes |
| 20:51.44 | vjeux | oh ok |
| 20:51.47 | vjeux | let me put it back |
| 20:51.51 | Tinman | Its going to be crazy |
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| 20:52.21 | Nash | With shared XP, you never have to worry about selfish XP gain. |
| 20:52.45 | Nash | Some people will be morons and not pull their weight, but morons will be morons regardless of system used |
| 20:52.58 | Nash | I also disabled any ability to attack teammates |
| 20:53.01 | RedWraith | So I've decided to remake Sentry Scramble as Sentry Scramble 2: City Escape |
| 20:53.09 | Nash | including using your standard weapon |
| 20:53.31 | RedWraith | My plan is to fill all of the ground with roads and other ground markers and all of the walls will be replaced by buildings, designed by some complex algorithm I have not yet devised. |
| 20:54.08 | RedWraith | Brilliant? Y/N |
| 20:54.20 | RedWraith | and then I'll send it off to ze Blizzard map contest |
| 20:54.54 | raydenuni | hmm |
| 20:54.56 | raydenuni | work work work |
| 20:55.02 | Reelix | Sentry Scramble? |
| 20:55.09 | vjeux | http://www.sc2mapster.com/ |
| 20:55.09 | vjeux | here you go Tinman Xaragoth |
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| 20:56.01 | Reelix | vjeux: Know of any semi-decent playable RPGs? ouldn't find any on the mapster site |
| 20:56.19 | RedWraith | Reelix, google it. |
| 20:56.24 | RedWraith | or youtube search it |
| 20:57.28 | vjeux | don't have any in mind :X |
| 20:57.34 | RedWraith | conceptually, a randomly generated city will just make people go O_O |
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| 20:58.07 | mattavich | Hello SCmapster |
| 20:58.14 | Nash | my RPG isn't done yet :G |
| 20:58.19 | Nash | but mostly done |
| 20:58.26 | Reelix | Nash: Playable demo? |
| 20:58.42 | Nash | yeah, heroes work and most of the content is done |
| 20:58.43 | RedWraith | I am saddened by the lack of response. I should come back when prozaicmuze or onetwo is around so they can stroke my ego. |
| 20:58.55 | Reelix | Link? ;p |
| 20:59.11 | RedWraith | reelix, seriously, youtube search: sentry scramble |
| 20:59.19 | RedWraith | Husky made a podcast on it in beta phase 1 |
| 20:59.20 | Nash | I need to add more dialog, fix objective stuff and place more units, stuff like that |
| 20:59.29 | Reelix | Ok |
| 20:59.42 | Reelix | Does it have a save / load system? ;p |
| 20:59.56 | RedWraith | ...sentry scramble? |
| 21:00.06 | RedWraith | How would that even work? :p |
| 21:00.11 | Nash | I assume you can save game normally |
| 21:00.18 | Nash | I never tried |
| 21:00.23 | RedWraith | oh, Nash's rpg. |
| 21:00.27 | Reelix | Never used banks? |
| 21:00.34 | Nash | nope |
| 21:00.45 | RedWraith | Nash, saving depends on the nature of your RPG. |
| 21:01.10 | RedWraith | How you implement or do not implement a save system depends onit. |
| 21:01.16 | Nash | it's just a map you play from start to finish |
| 21:01.23 | Nash | start at level 1, kill stuff, etc |
| 21:01.26 | raydenuni | how do i go about causing unit kills to provide money? |
| 21:01.33 | Reelix | Ok |
| 21:02.10 | raydenuni | i suppose i can do triggers, but that seems lame |
| 21:02.33 | Nash | but it works |
| 21:02.35 | RedWraith | raydenuni |
| 21:02.37 | RedWraith | xp system |
| 21:02.46 | RedWraith | not sure, but it might do it? |
| 21:02.47 | Bluerobin427 | hi mattavich |
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| 21:02.54 | raydenuni | hmm |
| 21:03.05 | Reelix | random chance to drop stuff? |
| 21:03.06 | Tordecybombo | the can i name my banks of another map? |
| 21:03.08 | Corbo | anybody has any idea |
| 21:03.13 | Corbo | what the name is for this doodad |
| 21:03.13 | Tordecybombo | like nexus wars or something |
| 21:03.16 | Corbo | in this melee map |
| 21:03.19 | Corbo | that's like an arc |
| 21:03.23 | Tordecybombo | ok maybe not nexus wars, way too popular |
| 21:03.24 | Corbo | and you can walk under it |
| 21:03.25 | SycoPrime | Is the battlecruiser / etc flame / tail thing drawn by the model or an effect? |
| 21:03.27 | Corbo | and it disappears |
| 21:03.28 | Tordecybombo | something in the middle |
| 21:03.30 | Corbo | like it fades |
| 21:03.35 | Tordecybombo | and that way people will get a bit confused |
| 21:03.38 | Corbo | and when you finish gioing under it |
| 21:03.43 | Corbo | it comes back to normal shading? |
| 21:03.46 | Bluerobin427 | screenshot maybe Corbo? |
| 21:03.50 | RedWraith | look in terrain objects in the terrain pallete |
| 21:03.56 | Bluerobin427 | or open the map in the editor |
| 21:03.57 | RedWraith | only available with campaign dependencies* |
| 21:03.57 | raydenuni | no one has made a map where killing a unit gives you gold like in war3? |
| 21:03.58 | Bluerobin427 | I think you can do that |
| 21:04.11 | Nash | I used triggers |
| 21:04.13 | raydenuni | i'm sure you can |
| 21:04.14 | RedWraith | raydenuni, that's a bad way to this of things. |
| 21:04.22 | Nash | Well, 1 trigger |
| 21:04.49 | RedWraith | This is how you should address the problem: "Has anyone tried making a map where killing a unit gives you gold like in war3? If so, is there code available or is it published?" |
| 21:04.59 | raydenuni | what about a Resource behavior |
| 21:05.07 | RedWraith | since you can't know definitively based on our responses |
| 21:05.11 | Tordecybombo | what's wrong witha trigger? |
| 21:05.31 | RedWraith | saying that no one has done it before if we don't know would then be a bad way to approach things, and often wrong. :( |
| 21:05.34 | Reelix | Triggers - On unit death, minerals++ |
| 21:05.45 | Bluerobin427 | that's one way |
| 21:05.45 | RedWraith | I'm pretty sure |
| 21:05.47 | RedWraith | you can do it |
| 21:05.50 | RedWraith | based on veterancy |
| 21:05.53 | RedWraith | or unit death effects |
| 21:05.53 | raydenuni | i was implying that no one in here chatting has done it |
| 21:05.59 | Bluerobin427 | the other's on units themselves by setting kill resources |
| 21:06.12 | RedWraith | lol most of the people in chat are newbs :P |
| 21:06.25 | Tordecybombo | hey newbies have feelings too! >:[ |
| 21:06.27 | raydenuni | i dunno |
| 21:06.32 | raydenuni | a lot of people in here know a lot |
| 21:06.50 | Bluerobin427 | raydenuni: I guarantee at least one way of doing it is in the TD tutorials on SC2Mapster |
| 21:06.52 | RedWraith | Tordecybombo, I disregard your feelings specifically and intentionally. ;D |
| 21:06.53 | Bluerobin427 | probably both |
| 21:06.58 | Mojache_ | If I deform the Terrian is there a way to check the height of it live? |
| 21:07.02 | raydenuni | worst case i'll just do triggers |
| 21:07.06 | raydenuni | i know i can do that |
| 21:07.08 | raydenuni | it's just less elegant |
| 21:07.10 | RedWraith | Yes, mojache. |
| 21:07.20 | RedWraith | Unfortunately, it's not available in the regular trigger stuff. |
| 21:07.24 | RedWraith | You'll have to make it yourself. |
| 21:07.31 | RedWraith | something like worldheight |
| 21:07.37 | Mojache_ | its still giving me the height of the orignal terrian though |
| 21:07.49 | Mojache_ | not the new one I created |
| 21:07.54 | RedWraith | I think there's one based on cliffheight and one based on real height |
| 21:07.54 | Mojache_ | so I'm lost on that front |
| 21:07.56 | Tordecybombo | is there any way of getting any player information? |
| 21:08.01 | Tordecybombo | as a string |
| 21:08.03 | Mojache_ | yup I used that |
| 21:08.11 | Mojache_ | and it still uses the terrian at the start of the map |
| 21:08.16 | Mojache_ | not the one I have deformed |
| 21:08.21 | Tordecybombo | just something |
| 21:08.24 | Bluerobin427 | what kind of info Tordecybombo? |
| 21:08.29 | Tordecybombo | anything |
| 21:08.30 | RedWraith | well, that's unfortunate. |
| 21:08.31 | Bluerobin427 | player name's pretty easy |
| 21:08.35 | Tordecybombo | just something about the player |
| 21:08.36 | jorgenpt | What's responsible for making units semi-transparent when they're cloaked - and how can I make them not like that to the owning player? |
| 21:08.39 | Tordecybombo | but as a string |
| 21:08.46 | Bluerobin427 | it should be a string already |
| 21:08.47 | Tordecybombo | player name is text and you cant convert texts to strings |
| 21:08.56 | Bluerobin427 | uhhh |
| 21:09.02 | Tordecybombo | yea it's confusing |
| 21:09.02 | Reelix | text is a string? |
| 21:09.06 | Tordecybombo | nope |
| 21:09.09 | Tordecybombo | two different things |
| 21:09.18 | Bluerobin427 | how do you know this? |
| 21:09.28 | Bluerobin427 | i mean, why isn't 'text' working? |
| 21:09.29 | Tordecybombo | they're two different data types |
| 21:09.30 | RedWraith | jorgenpt, it could be hard-wired into the cloaking system, but there should be a way to make a unit visible to one player but not another. |
| 21:09.53 | RedWraith | b/c I'm pretty sure hallucination has disabled attack/abilities connected with the actor too |
| 21:09.55 | Tordecybombo | text doesn't work for the thing im doing (banks) |
| 21:10.16 | Tordecybombo | you can't read or write text but you can with strings |
| 21:10.27 | RedWraith | Tordecybombo, why does it matter? |
| 21:10.32 | RedWraith | Is your map competitive? |
| 21:10.37 | jorgenpt | RedWraith: Any tips on how? |
| 21:10.52 | Tordecybombo | somewhat |
| 21:11.11 | RedWraith | jorgenpt, if I were to bet there's probably an actor that deals with visibility |
| 21:11.17 | Tordecybombo | but not really so much but I just want people to not swap they're files to create false information about the players |
| 21:11.23 | RedWraith | that you can apply to units |
| 21:11.33 | RedWraith | Honestly, your best bet is to wait for ProzaicMuze. |
| 21:11.44 | RedWraith | or contact him via query |
| 21:12.06 | jorgenpt | Thanks |
| 21:12.10 | RedWraith | lol Tordecybombo, people aren't going to do that. |
| 21:12.14 | *** join/#sc2mapster Atlos (62e5a49c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.98.229.164.156) |
| 21:12.25 | Atlos | hmm idk if it sent what I just said so I'll say it again lol |
| 21:12.27 | Tordecybombo | they will once one person starts doing it and spreads the methodology |
| 21:12.28 | Atlos | wtf does this mean: |
| 21:12.30 | Wartex | Chainclaw, I got it working pretty well using your method. Main problem now is that I use minerals instead of exp for upgrading. Do you know if I can increase the cost of cumulative upgrades of the same type, or do I have to create a different upgrade for every level I want? |
| 21:12.37 | jorgenpt | ProzaicMuze: Hi, any tips on making a unit visible to one player but not others, but not have the default cloaking effect (translucency, etc)? |
| 21:12.42 | Atlos | "Document text has unacceptable words (polish)" |
| 21:12.50 | Atlos | does that mean my map has a polish swear word in it? |
| 21:13.00 | RedWraith | Tordecybombo, don't worry about it until your map is both popular and played sustainably. |
| 21:13.02 | Wartex | lol Atlos |
| 21:13.10 | Wartex | I believe so |
| 21:13.10 | RedWraith | Cheating is fun. If it doesn't hurt anybody, why deny it? |
| 21:13.13 | Atlos | im so confused right now lol |
| 21:13.16 | Atlos | I don't speak polish |
| 21:13.25 | Atlos | and don't have any swear words at all |
| 21:13.26 | Tordecybombo | cheating is fun as long as it doesn't ruin the other's experience |
| 21:13.34 | s3rius | doesn't that mean that "polish" is an unacceptable word? |
| 21:13.48 | Atlos | I don't recall using that anywhere in my map |
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| 21:14.21 | s3rius | ah nevermind, it doesn't mean that |
| 21:14.50 | s3rius | you got a polish version? |
| 21:14.52 | Tordecybombo | s3rius is player name the only thing we can get from the player? |
| 21:14.53 | nitroball | waz new in mapster land? |
| 21:15.01 | Tordecybombo | damn :/ |
| 21:15.10 | s3rius | Tord: I wouldn't know any other static info we can get |
| 21:15.49 | Atlos | I don't have a polish version either |
| 21:15.55 | Atlos | I have a polish friend |
| 21:15.59 | Atlos | but that's it for my polish connections |
| 21:16.13 | Chainclaw | Wartex, not sure |
| 21:16.21 | Reelix | Could maybe write a trigger that'd display all the peoples real names ;p |
| 21:17.09 | Tordecybombo | homerdj.jpg |
| 21:18.32 | RedWraith | If only, Reelix, if only. |
| 21:18.32 | Atlos | also, can we make a melee forum |
| 21:18.40 | Atlos | since people seem to post their melee maps on sc2mapster |
| 21:18.42 | RedWraith | Atlos, WHY? lol |
| 21:18.45 | RedWraith | oh |
| 21:18.47 | RedWraith | melee map forum |
| 21:18.54 | Atlos | yea lol |
| 21:18.55 | Bablo | <Atlos> "Document text has unacceptable words (polish)" <-- it does mean, that there is a word "polish" somewhere in your map's description and you need to remove it |
| 21:19.09 | Atlos | ok let me check Bablo |
| 21:19.09 | Unrea1 | Yo |
| 21:19.28 | RedWraith | I thought that said UnrealSheep |
| 21:19.31 | RedWraith | and Iwas like |
| 21:19.34 | RedWraith | yeah that's about right |
| 21:19.36 | rooj | baaaaa |
| 21:19.38 | Bablo | I had the same problem, but with word "own", took quite a while to figure out it was actually a word that just needed to be removed |
| 21:20.08 | Tordecybombo | are you serious |
| 21:20.16 | Bablo | me? totally |
| 21:20.16 | Tordecybombo | god i hate the filter system so much |
| 21:20.19 | Bablo | yeah |
| 21:20.22 | Atlos | oh lmao |
| 21:20.27 | Tordecybombo | this is not a fisher price game for christ sake! |
| 21:20.36 | Reelix | Turn it off? |
| 21:20.47 | Bablo | I don't have it on |
| 21:20.52 | Atlos | I meant to say pollish in my map |
| 21:20.55 | Atlos | and I said polish |
| 21:21.04 | Reelix | It DOES have a 16 rating, which everyone ignores |
| 21:21.14 | Mojache_ | grrrrr |
| 21:21.18 | Mojache_ | this is so limiting |
| 21:21.24 | Mojache_ | limitation after limitation |
| 21:21.28 | jorgenpt | Atlos: What does pollish mean? |
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| 21:21.35 | Reelix | Show me ONE 16 year old that gets offended by basic swears, and I'll see a reason for the in-game word filter -_- |
| 21:21.36 | Atlos | to pollish something |
| 21:21.37 | Unrea1 | Just got Baahhhkk |
| 21:21.38 | Atlos | like make it shiny |
| 21:21.40 | Xaax | Hello everyone, I'm sure you missed me. |
| 21:21.43 | jorgenpt | Atlos: That's polish. :) |
| 21:21.45 | Mojache_ | if I modify the terrian with an actor, I can't then check a units ground level against it |
| 21:21.51 | Mojache_ | it acts as if that didn't even happen |
| 21:21.51 | Atlos | oh, so I was right? |
| 21:21.52 | Atlos | lol |
| 21:21.55 | Tordecybombo | remmeber when blizzard though putting real names on the forums was a good idea? |
| 21:21.56 | Tordecybombo | lmao |
| 21:22.01 | jorgenpt | http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/polish |
| 21:22.04 | Atlos | guess I'm not aloud to polish my map |
| 21:22.26 | jorgenpt | That's kinda funny. :-p |
| 21:22.37 | Unrea1 | polish :O |
| 21:22.47 | Xaax | Anyone know why it is that when I use a trigger to order a Ghost to use Snipe on a target unit it does nothing even if the Ghost has enough energy to execute the command? |
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| 21:23.29 | SycoPrime | Xaax - Are you sure the ghost can see the unit? |
| 21:23.41 | Atlos | hmm why can't I see the image I imported into my map |
| 21:23.44 | Atlos | when I go to loading screen |
| 21:23.46 | Xaax | @SycoPrime Does that matter? |
| 21:23.52 | raydenuni | ok, what's a map that provides gold on unit kills? |
| 21:24.01 | raydenuni | maybe onetwo's basic TD |
| 21:24.05 | Tordecybombo | is it possible to add player loading bars to custom loading screens? |
| 21:24.05 | raydenuni | probably does it with triggers though |
| 21:24.06 | Xaax | If I order the same unit to attack a unit it will move to get in range of that unit to attack. |
| 21:24.06 | SycoPrime | I don't know if it does, just guessing. |
| 21:24.12 | Xaax | So, sight shouldn't make a difference. |
| 21:24.14 | Tordecybombo | or is it just a melee thing |
| 21:24.49 | RedWraith | Tordecybomb, yes it's possible. |
| 21:25.00 | Tordecybombo | what how |
| 21:25.01 | RedWraith | No, I haven't looked into how its done. I assume it's easy. |
| 21:25.08 | SycoPrime | Xaax, you're right. Some other factor that goes into snipe aside from energy perhaps? Can you order him to cloak and see if he responds to basic ability commands? |
| 21:25.16 | Tordecybombo | if it was easy many people would've done it by now! |
| 21:25.21 | Xaax | He will cloak if I order him to. |
| 21:28.16 | Chainclaw | It's also easy to not wait for key press when loading is complete and a lot of people leave that on |
| 21:28.41 | Technomancer | What's the Polish way to commit suicide? |
| 21:28.48 | Tordecybombo | why'd blizzard had to go take out lurkers |
| 21:28.53 | Tordecybombo | banelings and roaches replace em my ass |
| 21:29.01 | Tordecybombo | i'd take lurkers anyday |
| 21:29.02 | Xaax | Actually, scratch that, he wont cloak either. |
| 21:29.04 | Xaax | Weird... |
| 21:29.15 | raydenuni | for the people who were trying to help me with kill resources |
| 21:29.16 | Xaax | He'll move and attack though. |
| 21:29.21 | raydenuni | units just have a Kill Resource attribute |
| 21:29.30 | Tordecybombo | what |
| 21:29.53 | Tordecybombo | this hasn't been done only in the data editor yet? |
| 21:30.21 | RedWraith | Tordecybombo, many people have. |
| 21:30.28 | RedWraith | SotIS, Battlecraft |
| 21:30.33 | RedWraith | some other things |
| 21:30.35 | Atlos | wtf |
| 21:30.43 | Atlos | I'm getting S2_INTERNALGAMEERROR |
| 21:30.44 | Tordecybombo | so what are we doing |
| 21:30.48 | Atlos | when I try to create my game on bnet |
| 21:30.57 | Technomancer | wow no one wanted the answer to that joke, really? |
| 21:30.58 | RedWraith | Tordecybombo, ever play lurker defense? |
| 21:31.01 | RedWraith | They're in the game. |
| 21:31.04 | Technomancer | its jumping out the basement window! |
| 21:31.04 | Tinman | aaw vjeux the stream is not on the page anymore :( |
| 21:31.07 | Tordecybombo | yea i know they're in the game |
| 21:31.13 | Tordecybombo | but not in melee games |
| 21:31.20 | vjeux | Tinman: :( |
| 21:31.38 | Tinman | Get it back up, people liked it! |
| 21:31.44 | Tordecybombo | s3rius why is sixen never here |
| 21:32.00 | Tinman | They are making a uproar now |
| 21:32.17 | RedWraith | Sixen is around plenty. |
| 21:32.20 | RedWraith | He's a pretty cool guy. |
| 21:32.22 | RedWraith | ~seen sixen |
| 21:32.23 | purl | sixen is currently on #sc2mapster #wowuidev, last said: 'Maybe? :X'. |
| 21:32.52 | Atlos | any idea on my error guys? |
| 21:33.15 | RedWraith | Atlos, clearly it is an error that is internal to the game. |
| 21:33.19 | RedWraith | Rebuild it from scratch! |
| 21:33.21 | Atlos | lol |
| 21:33.24 | Atlos | noooooo! |
| 21:33.35 | RedWraith | When does it happen? |
| 21:33.52 | Tinman | get it back vjeux! do it! |
| 21:34.25 | Xaax | So, why is it that I order a unit from a unit group to use an ability and he wont do it? I mean, he will use basic commands like Move, Stop, and Attack, but nothing like Psi Storm or whatever. |
| 21:34.42 | vjeux | k it's back till there are 50 peoples :p |
| 21:34.48 | RedWraith | uh.... |
| 21:34.48 | Unrea1 | Shits about to get real |
| 21:34.51 | Unrea1 | UNREAL |
| 21:34.54 | Tinman | YEY! |
| 21:35.05 | RedWraith | Poorly constructed abilities? |
| 21:35.06 | *** join/#sc2mapster onetwo (ae070b69@gateway/web/freenode/ip.174.7.11.105) |
| 21:35.06 | *** mode/#sc2mapster [+v onetwo] by ChanServ |
| 21:35.12 | RedWraith | onetwo! <3 |
| 21:35.12 | Nash | are you sure the unit has the ability? |
| 21:35.17 | Nash | enough energy? |
| 21:35.27 | onetwo | hi |
| 21:35.31 | Atlos | RedWraith: When I go to create the game on bnet |
| 21:35.33 | Xackery | jo |
| 21:35.39 | Atlos | I just googled it and I guess it's to do with my game variatns |
| 21:35.40 | Unrea1 | sup 12 |
| 21:35.42 | Atlos | variants* |
| 21:35.58 | RedWraith | what happens? |
| 21:36.00 | Xaax | Yes, it's Snipe. |
| 21:36.02 | RedWraith | you can't actually load the game? |
| 21:36.06 | Xaax | And he has enough energy. |
| 21:36.09 | Atlos | just gives me the error and doesnt create the game |
| 21:36.09 | RedWraith | Does it have variants defined? |
| 21:36.12 | onetwo | working on new War of Finality trailer for lordabyss |
| 21:36.17 | onetwo | going comedy route and no slowmo this time |
| 21:36.19 | RedWraith | cause that's kinda important |
| 21:36.20 | onetwo | you can all relax |
| 21:36.30 | onetwo | man wtf the editor asks to authenticate every time now |
| 21:36.34 | RedWraith | onetwo |
| 21:36.44 | RedWraith | When are you going to make something yourself? |
| 21:36.49 | Corbo | never |
| 21:36.50 | Unrea1 | Own3d |
| 21:36.51 | RedWraith | note: RPGs are not acceptable. |
| 21:36.52 | RedWraith | ;) |
| 21:36.53 | onetwo | what you mean? |
| 21:36.55 | onetwo | map or cinematic? |
| 21:36.56 | Xaax | Anyone? |
| 21:36.58 | RedWraith | map |
| 21:37.01 | Corbo | hey |
| 21:37.01 | Unrea1 | You know what he means |
| 21:37.04 | Corbo | is there a way |
| 21:37.05 | onetwo | oh, i got my rpg which is getting there |
| 21:37.09 | RedWraith | Xaax, did you make the snipe? |
| 21:37.11 | Corbo | to show the "walkable terrain" |
| 21:37.13 | Xaax | No. |
| 21:37.13 | Corbo | in the editor? |
| 21:37.15 | onetwo | but also my Predators map |
| 21:37.17 | Tordecybombo | what the heck |
| 21:37.18 | Unrea1 | 1 2 ss |
| 21:37.20 | Atlos | I fixed it RedWraith |
| 21:37.21 | onetwo | which prozaic is finishing on |
| 21:37.23 | RedWraith | Is it from the original ghost? |
| 21:37.26 | Xaax | Yes. |
| 21:37.27 | RedWraith | What was wrong, Atlos? |
| 21:37.40 | Wartex | if I want to create a trigger which fires when any civilian dies, how would i set up the event? |
| 21:37.40 | RedWraith | Then I don't know wtf is causing that, sorry I can't be more helpful Xaax. |
| 21:37.46 | Atlos | under game variants > attributes > controller |
| 21:37.50 | Atlos | I guess you can't change any of that |
| 21:37.54 | RedWraith | Unit dies event |
| 21:38.03 | Wartex | yeah, it's on "any unit" dies right now |
| 21:38.03 | RedWraith | Unit type of triggering unit = civvie |
| 21:38.09 | Xaax | Anyone else have any ideas? |
| 21:38.10 | RedWraith | for conditions |
| 21:38.12 | Wartex | as a condition |
| 21:38.13 | Wartex | okay |
| 21:38.25 | casperb | hum, EU server, nexus wars, 5000 games in the past hour o.o |
| 21:38.37 | Tordecybombo | is that bad |
| 21:38.46 | Tordecybombo | nexus wars on US = 15000 games |
| 21:38.56 | Tordecybombo | i think income wars is higher though |
| 21:38.57 | Tordecybombo | havent checked |
| 21:38.58 | Unrea1 | http://img638.imageshack.us/img638/5763/wtfao.jpg |
| 21:38.59 | Tordecybombo | we're doomed |
| 21:39.00 | Unrea1 | So confused |
| 21:39.08 | casperb | Not bad, just kinda lols :p |
| 21:39.21 | Xackery | wow.. XD |
| 21:39.24 | Xackery | lol |
| 21:39.25 | Bablo | <Atlos> I'm getting S2_INTERNALGAMEERROR <-- that comes when you fiddle with game variants |
| 21:39.32 | Bablo | oh you said it already :P |
| 21:39.36 | Tordecybombo | surprisingly high resolution for a civ face |
| 21:39.58 | *** join/#sc2mapster ProzaicMuze (~ABC@c-98-232-252-235.hsd1.or.comcast.net) |
| 21:40.05 | Xackery | That pic makes me sad Unrea1. |
| 21:40.06 | RedWraith | wb prozaicmuze |
| 21:40.08 | Unrea1 | lol |
| 21:40.10 | Xackery | Hi ProzaicMuze |
| 21:40.14 | RedWraith | it looks borderline creepy |
| 21:40.18 | ProzaicMuze | stupid internet |
| 21:40.21 | *** join/#sc2mapster Pinzu (d9d24974@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.210.73.116) |
| 21:40.27 | Unrea1 | Its like a michael jackson face |
| 21:40.29 | ProzaicMuze | It's been down all morning |
| 21:40.32 | Tordecybombo | did the ps3 really get hacked |
| 21:40.34 | ProzaicMuze | While not being down, if that makes any sesnse |
| 21:40.35 | ProzaicMuze | sense* |
| 21:40.36 | Tordecybombo | that's pretty crazy news |
| 21:40.47 | Unrea1 | Thats what i forgot |
| 21:40.51 | Unrea1 | Checking zeh news |
| 21:41.04 | ProzaicMuze | PS3 got hacked? |
| 21:41.07 | ProzaicMuze | Link meh! |
| 21:41.08 | Xackery | hopefully you can just plug in a little doohickey like you did on ps1 |
| 21:41.10 | Xackery | to hack a ps3 |
| 21:41.14 | ProzaicMuze | Must revel in the downfall of PS3! |
| 21:41.28 | rooj | ps3 got hacked earlier this year |
| 21:41.31 | *** join/#sc2mapster popman (~popman@cpe-24-164-122-128.neo.res.rr.com) |
| 21:41.31 | Vulfe | ProzaicMuze is probably plotting the destruction of Blizzard too |
| 21:41.41 | Tordecybombo | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jOEbZEkp9A |
| 21:41.44 | Tordecybombo | modchips for ps3 |
| 21:41.51 | Jum-Jum | ProzaicMuze: It's been pretty much 'confirmed' by now |
| 21:42.16 | Tordecybombo | history in the making because ps3 is extremely difficult to hack |
| 21:42.38 | *** join/#sc2mapster progammer_ (4a3ea6d2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.74.62.166.210) |
| 21:42.40 | Tordecybombo | since the processor has a core dedicated to encryption or something like that |
| 21:42.44 | Xaax | How do I make a unit use an ability with triggers? I can get a unit to do the basic Move, Attack, and Stop commands, but otherwise I can't get 'em to do anything. |
| 21:43.31 | RedWraith | oh, Xaax |
| 21:43.33 | RedWraith | that's what you meant |
| 21:43.47 | RedWraith | You sure you're using the right type? |
| 21:43.53 | RedWraith | i.e. ones with targets? |
| 21:43.54 | Xaax | Right type of what? |
| 21:43.57 | onetwo | brb recording video |
| 21:43.58 | Xaax | Yes. |
| 21:43.59 | RedWraith | can you see all abilities with targets? |
| 21:44.01 | RedWraith | oh |
| 21:44.12 | RedWraith | well, it's probably in the unit target then |
| 21:44.22 | RedWraith | i..e what you're targeting isn't what you think you want to target |
| 21:44.33 | Xaax | I'm targeting a unit from a group. |
| 21:44.38 | raydenuni | hmm |
| 21:44.42 | RedWraith | yeah, that's probably the issue |
| 21:44.47 | raydenuni | there need to be guides as to what content is available |
| 21:44.47 | RedWraith | I would guess? |
| 21:44.57 | raydenuni | like, these are all the units that have missile weapons |
| 21:44.58 | Xaax | I know the group works because the unit in that group does what I tell him to do by telling the unit 1 in unit group to do X. |
| 21:45.20 | RedWraith | that's not what I mean |
| 21:45.22 | RedWraith | what I mean is |
| 21:45.24 | RedWraith | the target |
| 21:45.26 | RedWraith | for the snipe |
| 21:45.30 | RedWraith | is what's probably bad |
| 21:45.34 | Xaax | That makes no sense. |
| 21:45.41 | RedWraith | well, that's all I got sorry |
| 21:45.43 | RedWraith | :( |
| 21:45.45 | Vulfe | Objection! |
| 21:45.49 | ProzaicMuze | Wait, so the "hack" is just that you can rip PS3 discs now? |
| 21:46.02 | Xaax | How could the target be bad? |
| 21:46.17 | ProzaicMuze | Couldn't you already do that using a computer? |
| 21:46.21 | Nash | give yourself control of the unit, verify abilities can be cast |
| 21:46.29 | Xaax | If I tell Unit X from Group Y to Target Unit Z from Group A, then it should work, no? |
| 21:46.37 | Tordecybombo | kevin durant |
| 21:47.01 | Tordecybombo | the hack is being able to play ripped ps3 discs on the ps3 and play online |
| 21:47.12 | Xaax | I don't need to give myself control of said unit because it is a base ability. I did not construct it. It's the Ghost Snipe, and it is being used by a Ghost. |
| 21:47.18 | jorgenpt | ProzaicMuze: Hi, any tips on making a unit visible to one player but not others, but not have the default cloaking effect (translucency, etc)? |
| 21:47.51 | ProzaicMuze | So completely invisible? No displacement aura? |
| 21:47.57 | jorgenpt | Right |
| 21:48.11 | Nash | are you using it on a non-biological target? |
| 21:48.17 | Xaax | Nope. |
| 21:48.31 | Nash | :/ |
| 21:49.42 | ProzaicMuze | Try Actor - Filter field |
| 21:49.45 | Unrea1 | Wish they would of given more info on diablo :| |
| 21:49.50 | Corbo | graaah |
| 21:49.54 | Corbo | footprints are annoying |
| 21:49.55 | Unrea1 | But I guess Blizzcon is to close |
| 21:50.11 | Unrea1 | Anyone going to Blizzcon? |
| 21:50.14 | Vulfe | jorgenpt: impossible except using burrow afaik |
| 21:50.24 | Vulfe | (Burrow does that) |
| 21:50.33 | jorgenpt | Vulfe: But then they're not visible to the player who burrows them :-p |
| 21:50.35 | jorgenpt | ProzaicMuze: Okay, thanks. |
| 21:51.04 | Vulfe | This is why I want GetLocal |
| 21:51.06 | Vulfe | : \ |
| 21:51.14 | *** join/#sc2mapster Phatency (phatency@a91-155-196-27.elisa-laajakaista.fi) |
| 21:51.15 | Vulfe | I mean, if you desync your map it's your fault anyway |
| 21:51.20 | Vulfe | so why not x.x |
| 21:52.29 | Unrea1 | Easy way to convert models from WC3 to SC2? |
| 21:52.43 | Corbo | use MDX importer for 3ds max and export as m3 |
| 21:52.47 | Vulfe | make an exporter :D |
| 21:52.50 | *** part/#sc2mapster Petoj (~Petoj87@h-186-121.A185.priv.bahnhof.se) |
| 21:53.22 | Unrea1 | My torrented 3ds max fucked up :| |
| 21:54.00 | Atlos | hmm |
| 21:54.07 | Atlos | now it's saying it failed to transmit my header file |
| 21:54.13 | Atlos | for trying to publish my map |
| 21:54.14 | Atlos | wtf does that mean lol |
| 21:54.34 | Corbo | how does it mess up? |
| 21:54.38 | Corbo | also |
| 21:54.42 | Atlos | just says status: failed |
| 21:54.44 | Unrea1 | Doesnt open |
| 21:54.45 | Corbo | how can you add a new doodad? |
| 21:55.01 | Unrea1 | Create a new doodad? |
| 21:55.04 | Vulfe | I have a question: How is it possible that the ends of my space platform cables (the lights) are suddenly red now instead of blue/ |
| 21:55.48 | Vulfe | Corbo: A doodad is just a type of actor, essentially |
| 21:56.20 | Corbo | actor? |
| 21:56.21 | Corbo | thanks |
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| 21:56.55 | Unrea1 | Wtf |
| 21:57.01 | Unrea1 | HealingPotionTESTInstant? |
| 21:57.05 | Tordecybombo | custom map discussion topic |
| 21:57.09 | rooj | i wish theyd called them something besides actors |
| 21:57.15 | rooj | i keep thinking of leonardo dicaprio |
| 21:57.18 | rooj | and tom hanks |
| 21:57.18 | Tordecybombo | any cool custom maps that were show cased lately/ |
| 21:57.25 | rooj | and john travolta |
| 21:57.30 | Unrea1 | Mel Gibson |
| 21:57.33 | Unrea1 | xD |
| 21:57.38 | rooj | bruce willis |
| 21:57.58 | Corbo | ... |
| 21:58.00 | Corbo | thanks |
| 21:58.11 | Corbo | now I think on leonardo and bruce willis |
| 21:58.13 | Corbo | ... |
| 21:58.14 | rooj | lol |
| 21:58.21 | rooj | think of them together |
| 21:58.23 | rooj | naked |
| 21:58.35 | rooj | tordecy have you played partycraft yet? |
| 21:58.41 | Atlos | wtf it's still failing to publish my map :( |
| 21:58.49 | Corbo | They should have named them ACTRESS |
| 21:59.02 | Tordecybombo | myes |
| 21:59.18 | raydenuni | you can make a broodlord spawn endless broodlings without an enemy |
| 21:59.22 | raydenuni | you just need 1 broodling to start |
| 21:59.27 | raydenuni | then just keep attacking broodlings |
| 21:59.28 | raydenuni | :D |
| 21:59.32 | rooj | i hate broodlords |
| 21:59.40 | ekcolnovkol | tordecyyyy |
| 21:59.47 | Tordecybombo | :o |
| 21:59.48 | ekcolnovkol | unit_test_map is breaking balls across the board |
| 21:59.49 | Vulfe | the number of broodlings will be maxed out by his attackspeed tho |
| 21:59.57 | raydenuni | yeah |
| 22:00.01 | raydenuni | you end up with 2 at a time |
| 22:00.04 | goomba_ | the |
| 22:00.06 | goomba_ | drone |
| 22:00.07 | Tordecybombo | single player maps always get there :x |
| 22:00.07 | goomba_ | becomes |
| 22:00.09 | goomba_ | an extractor |
| 22:00.15 | jorgenpt | ProzaicMuze: So I've created a BuffContinuous actor with Filter: Enemy, that creates itself when a specific behavior is created. |
| 22:00.18 | raydenuni | goomba_, that replay was awesome |
| 22:00.24 | jorgenpt | ProzaicMuze: How can I make the actor modify the model of the unit? |
| 22:00.29 | Atlos | does anybody know if there's bugs with start locations? |
| 22:00.36 | Atlos | because that's the only thing I've added to my map |
| 22:00.41 | Atlos | since it started giving me this upload error |
| 22:02.20 | Reelix | How do you add start loations? I couldn't find them |
| 22:02.35 | raydenuni | it's under Points |
| 22:02.43 | ProzaicMuze | By targeting the model with the actor's events |
| 22:02.44 | raydenuni | or P |
| 22:02.48 | ProzaicMuze | What are you trying to do to the model? |
| 22:02.53 | Tordecybombo | is that bunker circle defense map the same as red circle |
| 22:03.09 | goomba_ | lol should probably put a spoiler alert on that campaign cinematic thing |
| 22:03.16 | Wartex | Could anyone take a look at this trigger and see what is wrong with it? http://pastebin.com/WM4kFyJz |
| 22:03.20 | Reelix | This dude had quite a cool inventory system, with interchangable weapons, and armour |
| 22:03.34 | Corbo | isthere a way to edit a place doodad property? |
| 22:03.36 | Corbo | like |
| 22:03.38 | Corbo | rotation |
| 22:03.40 | Tordecybombo | i do some occasional maps rise to popularity very quickly |
| 22:03.40 | Corbo | placement height |
| 22:03.42 | Xaax | Here's another example of an ability trigger that doesn't work and I have no idea why: Unit - Any Unit Enters HTAttack Unit - Create 1 High Templar for player 2 at (Center of HTBirth) using default facing (No Options) Unit - Set (Last created unit) Energy to 200.0 Unit Group - Add (Last created unit) to Enemy General - Wait 5.0 Game Time seconds Unit - Order all units in Enemy to (High |
| 22:03.50 | Tordecybombo | like bunker circle defense, it defeated all odds |
| 22:03.54 | Corbo | or do I really have to go the old fashioned way and xml? |
| 22:04.03 | Unrea1 | I didnt know blizzard made a Diablo model for sc2 |
| 22:04.13 | rooj | lol yeah |
| 22:04.14 | jorgenpt | ProzaicMuze: Hide it? |
| 22:04.21 | Tordecybombo | MORGOTH HAS RETURNED |
| 22:04.45 | Atlos | yay I fixed my problem |
| 22:04.48 | rooj | gotta get ekc to make a diablo hero for SC2 dota :P |
| 22:04.55 | Reelix | Unrea1: It's at the bottom right of "The Devils Playground" |
| 22:04.58 | Atlos | aparently you can't change the player's color or race under map > player properties |
| 22:04.59 | Atlos | wtf? |
| 22:05.02 | Unrea1 | Yea |
| 22:05.11 | Xackery | @ Xaax |
| 22:05.13 | Tordecybombo | nah you can change the race |
| 22:05.15 | Vulfe | I played SotIS today as EnTaro.Tassadar |
| 22:05.15 | Tordecybombo | but not color |
| 22:05.15 | Xackery | "Last created Unit" |
| 22:05.17 | Tordecybombo | i dont know why |
| 22:05.18 | Vulfe | everyone in that game was so bad |
| 22:05.25 | rooj | heh |
| 22:05.27 | Xackery | don't refer to last created unit inside an event of a unit entering a region |
| 22:05.27 | Xaax | What about it? |
| 22:05.27 | Tordecybombo | you lock colors in the game variants |
| 22:05.33 | ProzaicMuze | Most actor events allow you to include a name that targets an actor |
| 22:05.33 | Xaax | Why? |
| 22:05.34 | Tordecybombo | but locking races in the game variants doesnt do anything |
| 22:05.43 | ProzaicMuze | Or a Target field up above all that on the right (in the window) |
| 22:05.55 | ProzaicMuze | Either way will allow you to target the actor or model |
| 22:05.58 | Xackery | last created unit is a garbage variable, it's meant to be used only immediately after the unit's creation |
| 22:06.01 | Unrea1 | Oh lawd |
| 22:06.10 | Unrea1 | I can use the golf club as an axe |
| 22:06.14 | *** join/#sc2mapster Daeden (~a@94-195-209-10.zone9.bethere.co.uk) |
| 22:06.15 | Xaax | And? |
| 22:06.19 | rooj | can you equip those things? |
| 22:06.22 | rooj | like the baseball bat |
| 22:06.25 | rooj | and golf club |
| 22:06.26 | Unrea1 | No |
| 22:06.27 | Xackery | calling it within another event = undesirable effects |
| 22:06.29 | rooj | gay |
| 22:06.33 | rooj | i want to run around with the bat heh |
| 22:06.38 | Xaax | Bleh. |
| 22:06.59 | Tordecybombo | how long before DotA rules the custom maps? |
| 22:07.05 | Tordecybombo | im surprised it hasn't yet |
| 22:07.14 | Tordecybombo | im guessing the player base is completely different than that of WC3 |
| 22:07.17 | Vulfe | it's not DotA |
| 22:07.20 | Vulfe | for one |
| 22:07.23 | Xackery | the only "safe" garbage vars are ones invoked by the event, e.g. look at the "Uses ability" event, and it'll talk about Triggering unit /etc .. those ones are OK within the scope of that event. |
| 22:07.26 | Tordecybombo | close enough |
| 22:07.58 | Xackery | but if you do any Waits within the event, or call another event, or anything of that sort, those vars can potentailly poof |
| 22:08.06 | rooj | i think the way they did the games list will probably fix 1 map taking over |
| 22:08.12 | Xaax | That's sucky. |
| 22:08.13 | rooj | the maps list rather |
| 22:08.25 | Atlos | Tordecybombo: not all the colors are under game variants though |
| 22:08.26 | Atlos | :S |
| 22:08.34 | Xackery | set it to a global var to temporary hold it, or do a search for the specific unit you want, xaax |
| 22:08.51 | Tordecybombo | add more players maybe iunno |
| 22:09.10 | Xaax | You're talking to a noobert, I don't know what that means. |
| 22:09.31 | Atlos | rather than team 1 |
| 22:09.32 | Atlos | team 2 |
| 22:09.34 | Atlos | also, does anybody know how to give teams different names |
| 22:09.43 | Tordecybombo | what's the best way to deal with concurrency problems |
| 22:10.06 | Xackery | maybe try this Xaax http://world-editor-tutorials.thehelper.net/variables.php |
| 22:10.12 | Tordecybombo | like 2+ executing threads accessing and modifying the same global variable simultaneously |
| 22:10.27 | Xaax | Okay. |
| 22:10.28 | Nash | lock |
| 22:10.35 | Tordecybombo | switches? |
| 22:10.37 | Tordecybombo | >_> |
| 22:10.43 | Nash | no, use the lock action |
| 22:10.49 | Tordecybombo | what |
| 22:10.56 | Nash | it's a semaphore intended specifically for that purpose |
| 22:11.06 | Tordecybombo | ok spaghettios |
| 22:11.29 | Nash | I think it's called lock |
| 22:11.46 | Tordecybombo | i just recently figured out about the action queue |
| 22:11.50 | Tordecybombo | why didnt i use it earlier |
| 22:11.54 | Tordecybombo | would've saved so much time |
| 22:12.14 | Tordecybombo | i was looking at Blizzard's campaign maps |
| 22:12.17 | Tordecybombo | learn so much from them |
| 22:12.33 | Tordecybombo | want to see the correct way of organizing triggers and stuff |
| 22:12.50 | Corbo | Is there a way to create terrain objects with triggers? |
| 22:13.56 | Tordecybombo | anyone here play zerg in league |
| 22:14.02 | Atlos | wow this lobby stuff is so aggrivating lol |
| 22:14.07 | Tordecybombo | yes it is |
| 22:14.26 | Vulfe | Corbo: Don't think so |
| 22:15.37 | Chainclaw | how does the move leaderboard action work? |
| 22:16.05 | raydenuni | when do i make a missile based on Missile Half Life? |
| 22:16.26 | Technomancer | hey guys discovered a possible bug: when you set movement to zero, that can cause minimum range for melee weapons to be nonexistent, or otherwards very high |
| 22:16.34 | Corbo | yeah thought so too. |
| 22:16.35 | Corbo | Oh well |
| 22:16.45 | Technomancer | same problem if u take off the checkbox for movable in flags |
| 22:16.58 | Technomancer | Corbo; was that to me? |
| 22:17.08 | Corbo | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:17.11 | Corbo | @vulfe* |
| 22:17.26 | Vulfe | yeh |
| 22:17.49 | Vulfe | I feel like crap right now |
| 22:17.53 | Vulfe | now is not the time for terrain.. |
| 22:17.58 | Technomancer | how do you root a unit in place without it losing its ability to melee? |
| 22:18.41 | Vulfe | IHAAAN TIIMIIIIING |
| 22:18.53 | Demo_ | Is there a way to play the sounds in the game through the previewer? |
| 22:18.57 | rooj | i dunno, but try checking out some of the units that are like that |
| 22:19.01 | rooj | such as the turrets and stuff |
| 22:19.14 | Vulfe | Demo_ I know you can in the trigger editor |
| 22:19.15 | Vulfe | lol |
| 22:19.26 | Atlos | Anybody know what "First come, first serve" under availability under Game Attributes does? |
| 22:19.29 | Demo_ | right but I want to hear it without having to tets the map lol |
| 22:20.05 | Vulfe | Go to the Sound tab in data |
| 22:20.22 | Vulfe | under Sound Assets + in a sound data thin |
| 22:20.24 | Vulfe | thing* |
| 22:20.27 | Vulfe | you can preview the sound |
| 22:21.38 | Wartex | that's odd. for some reason my trigger doesnt continue when i introduce a " Wait 2.0 Game Time seconds" |
| 22:21.56 | Vulfe | Pastebin it |
| 22:21.58 | Vulfe | I'll take a look |
| 22:22.35 | Wartex | http://pastebin.com/VDyLyg5h |
| 22:22.37 | Tordecybombo | zerg needs the lurker or defiler (dark swarm) back |
| 22:22.42 | Tordecybombo | so imba not funny |
| 22:23.02 | s3rius|fed | is "done" displayed, wartex? |
| 22:23.03 | Tordecybombo | im not a zerg player myself but shame seeing the loss of balance :/ |
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| 22:23.23 | Wartex | just checked. d"done" is displayed |
| 22:23.30 | s3rius|fed | Yea, I think I know |
| 22:23.39 | s3rius|fed | After you wait, the trigger "forgets" what the triggering unit is |
| 22:23.47 | Wartex | ah |
| 22:23.50 | s3rius|fed | so it should work when you make a local variable |
| 22:23.52 | Wartex | have to store that in a variable then |
| 22:23.55 | Wartex | yep :) |
| 22:24.15 | s3rius|fed | Exactly. The same problem was existent in Warcraft already. I think that should fix it. |
| 22:24.21 | rooj | the only thing that needs to be balanced is void rays heh |
| 22:24.27 | rooj | everything else is OK IMO |
| 22:24.32 | s3rius|fed | Not really |
| 22:24.46 | s3rius|fed | EMP is slightly overpowered vs Toss, Zerg generally is slightly underpowered. |
| 22:24.58 | Wartex | s3rius|fed, what happens if this trigger is called while it's still waiting? ie if 2 civvies die at the same time |
| 22:25.24 | rooj | who has EMP, is it just ghosts? |
| 22:25.28 | s3rius|fed | @wartex local variables are unique for every instance of the trigger. so they won't interfer with each other |
| 22:25.31 | s3rius|fed | yea, just ghosts |
| 22:25.36 | Wartex | ah sweet |
| 22:25.39 | rooj | i see flocks of mutas just runninng around randomly |
| 22:25.53 | rooj | stopping for a second to attack then moving on |
| 22:25.53 | s3rius|fed | The bad part about it that it can totally screw high templars. which is a tad too imba |
| 22:25.56 | raydenuni | i have a question about data editor, missiles, specifically launch effect. what is a launch effect for? |
| 22:26.06 | rooj | i never see anyone use high templars or ghosts ;x |
| 22:26.11 | s3rius|fed | Ilol?? |
| 22:26.36 | s3rius|fed | 50% of all toss I meet in platinum league use void ray into high templar |
| 22:26.41 | Tordecybombo | are triggers just subclasses of actions, and actions just subclasses of functions? |
| 22:27.19 | Tordecybombo | galaxy is not OO so you get the idea i hope |
| 22:27.32 | s3rius|fed | @tordec: Triggers consist of actions and events. So a part of a trigger are actions. Actions are a subclass of functions. You could say it like that |
| 22:27.33 | Tordecybombo | in other news |
| 22:27.41 | s3rius|fed | Actually actions ARE functions. |
| 22:28.26 | Tordecybombo | how come a function cant execute its own thread |
| 22:28.50 | s3rius|fed | That's how it is. You can turn it into an action/function definition and it should be able to. |
| 22:28.53 | SycoPrime | What does "implicit cast not allowed" mean? |
| 22:29.10 | s3rius|fed | @syco: that means you're trying to use a wrong variable type |
| 22:29.20 | Tordecybombo | s3rius |
| 22:29.23 | Tordecybombo | I love you |
| 22:29.24 | Tordecybombo | no homo |
| 22:29.27 | s3rius|fed | for example you're using a fixed (real) value and giving it to a function that requires an integer |
| 22:30.04 | s3rius|fed | You have to cast it to an integer first, using FixedToInt(x) in Galaxy or the conversion function in GUI |
| 22:30.07 | Pinzu | hmm my setup isnt working at all |
| 22:30.09 | SycoPrime | Which I was doing, only not in the way that I thought. |
| 22:30.12 | s3rius|fed | sounds to me like you're using galaxy though |
| 22:30.24 | SycoPrime | Just realized I called a string array and used it like a string. |
| 22:30.42 | SycoPrime | Forgot to specify the index. It compiles now....but will it run? *raises eyebrow* |
| 22:30.45 | s3rius|fed | that could be it too :P the editor is.. a little unspecific when it comes to errors |
| 22:30.48 | SycoPrime | Thanks though s3rius. You the man. |
| 22:31.05 | SycoPrime | Well, I /WAS/ using the wrong variable type. Technically. |
| 22:31.07 | Pinzu | I dont understand why my setup dosnt work..... |
| 22:31.18 | Unrea1 | In the previewer window its not displaying ALL the units animations |
| 22:31.25 | Unrea1 | Any way i could get them to display |
| 22:31.41 | Tordecybombo | is it safe to drink diet coke with mentos in it |
| 22:31.47 | lotharscm | is there a way for one attribute to add to another attribute fractionally? like for every 3 strength you gain 1 stamina or something (since behavior modification doesnt allow fractional attributes) |
| 22:31.50 | Pinzu | nothing with diet is safe |
| 22:31.53 | s3rius|fed | Unrea1, you're talking about Set/Scene models? |
| 22:31.59 | Tordecybombo | well assuming the diet is safe |
| 22:32.05 | Unrea1 | Yes |
| 22:32.05 | s3rius|fed | @tord yes, if you want to puke |
| 22:32.11 | Pinzu | ^^ |
| 22:32.25 | Pinzu | s3rius, the helper ask him anything |
| 22:32.35 | Pinzu | did jesus ever exist? |
| 22:32.36 | s3rius|fed | unrea1, in this case you need to load the model's animations from some other files.. but I'm not sure where to get them from. |
| 22:32.44 | Tordecybombo | cant be that bad can it |
| 22:32.46 | Unrea1 | :| |
| 22:32.56 | s3rius|fed | Yes, however he actually wasn't born on year 0. Thats a common misconception. |
| 22:32.56 | SycoPrime | Tord: Look on youtube. |
| 22:33.07 | Tordecybombo | yea i know what it's like |
| 22:33.15 | Tordecybombo | even watched a mytbuster's episode on it that explained its process |
| 22:33.24 | Pinzu | anyway, I need someone to look in my map and see why it isnt working |
| 22:33.29 | Tordecybombo | but i wanna know what it's like if you take a gulp of diet coke |
| 22:33.32 | Tordecybombo | then swallow a mentos |
| 22:33.38 | SycoPrime | Pinzu: What part isn't working? |
| 22:33.51 | Atlos | s3rius, would your godliness and expertise be able to answer these? http://forums.sc2mapster.com/development/map-development/8200-lobby-questions/ |
| 22:33.55 | Tordecybombo | and that youtbe vid of the guy exploding is fake |
| 22:34.06 | SycoPrime | Tordecy: You can do that without ruining your stomach using a tube. |
| 22:34.08 | Tordecybombo | im gonna try it |
| 22:34.09 | s3rius|fed | @tord you even darnk too much, then ate a lot and went onto a roundabout totally drunk? feels about like that (without the headache) |
| 22:34.18 | Tordecybombo | im gonna do it! |
| 22:34.24 | Tordecybombo | no one say RIP Tordecybomob just yet |
| 22:34.29 | Atlos | [18:34] == Alcoholix has changed nick to Alcosleeps |
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| 22:34.33 | Atlos | lmao |
| 22:34.50 | Tordecybombo | damn first i need to buy some diet coke and mentos |
| 22:34.53 | Tordecybombo | does it have to be mint? |
| 22:34.56 | s3rius|fed | @atlos not even god can help there. blizzard screwed nicely with the lobbies. |
| 22:35.08 | Atlos | :O |
| 22:35.16 | Tordecybombo | blizzard is trolling us |
| 22:35.20 | s3rius|fed | Mint gives you a refreshing breath after puking all over. I'd suggest using it. |
| 22:35.24 | Atlos | I'm so confused on how to make my map playable then |
| 22:35.33 | rooj | yay minty puke |
| 22:35.44 | Tordecybombo | i'd love to be able to select heroes in the lobby w/o diuplicates |
| 22:35.53 | Atlos | the mentos coke thing can actually kill you btw |
| 22:35.54 | Tordecybombo | but i cant figure out how to do the duplicate part |
| 22:35.58 | Atlos | it can rupture your stomach |
| 22:36.24 | Atlos | and yes it did kill someone |
| 22:36.44 | s3rius|fed | well, sad fella |
| 22:36.48 | Tordecybombo | for thsi Helms Deep defense map im making (not canon at all), 8 players select from 8 heroes, I want them to be able to select at the lobby BUT 2 players cannto pick the same hero |
| 22:36.58 | s3rius|fed | had a stupid idea, got a stupid result. |
| 22:37.01 | Atlos | lol Tord you're making a helms deep too? |
| 22:37.08 | Tordecybombo | maybe |
| 22:37.19 | Tordecybombo | it's not canon so it's just random stuff clumped together |
| 22:37.27 | Atlos | what is canon? |
| 22:37.33 | Atlos | I was hoping to release mine for testing tonight |
| 22:37.34 | Tordecybombo | official w/e |
| 22:37.36 | s3rius|fed | why not make it the defense of new ghettisbourg? |
| 22:37.38 | Atlos | but this lobby stuff is screwing me up |
| 22:37.40 | Tordecybombo | like accurate to the story |
| 22:37.43 | Tordecybombo | maybe i should just do that |
| 22:37.48 | Tordecybombo | but iunno doesn't seem cool |
| 22:37.57 | Tordecybombo | the atmosphere is more awesome with the lotr universe |
| 22:38.07 | Tordecybombo | with the music and everything |
| 22:38.15 | Atlos | im assuming yours is based off of a wc3 map then |
| 22:38.15 | Tordecybombo | although there might be copyright issues if i put lotr music in the mpa |
| 22:38.21 | Atlos | mines based off the sc1 version |
| 22:38.21 | s3rius|fed | but they didn't have a hot psychic specialist girl leading them |
| 22:38.24 | Chainclaw | figured out some weirdness with leaderboards. Rows and columns start at 1, not 0. If you modify 0 it treats it as if you changed 1. So if you have a loop from 0 to whatever, 0 and 1 will do the same |
| 22:38.30 | Tordecybombo | i hope it's just assumed as fairuse |
| 22:38.36 | s3rius|fed | (that would eventually become the queen bitch of the universe) |
| 22:38.51 | Tordecybombo | not exactly basing mine off of sc1 |
| 22:38.59 | Tordecybombo | i dont play wc3 so i have no idea how helms deep is like |
| 22:39.05 | Tordecybombo | so im making my own version of it |
| 22:39.13 | Tordecybombo | it's going to be a defense map |
| 22:39.21 | s3rius|fed | most helms deeps weren't that bright |
| 22:39.26 | Tordecybombo | since not many like playing the urukhai |
| 22:39.41 | s3rius|fed | it was like a mindless slugfest where you ran your dudes into their walls and they got killed by their dudes. |
| 22:39.44 | Tordecybombo | i'll maybe add an additional mode where you can play as urukhai (aka versus mode) |
| 22:39.54 | s3rius|fed | and at some point you either walk over them or have no chance |
| 22:39.55 | Tordecybombo | atm juts defense mode |
| 22:39.59 | Atlos | ah ok mine is just a quick remake |
| 22:40.08 | Atlos | for the people who missed the sc1 version |
| 22:40.08 | Tordecybombo | it's not bright but people love it |
| 22:40.22 | Tordecybombo | it's a shame we gotta make simple maps to get popularity :/ |
| 22:40.39 | Atlos | s3rius what would be the best thing to do then |
| 22:40.42 | Atlos | if the lobby is screwed up |
| 22:40.49 | Tordecybombo | ARAGORN! |
| 22:41.01 | Tordecybombo | you can select Frodo in it so it's not accurate to the stor |
| 22:41.03 | Tordecybombo | i dont care |
| 22:41.06 | Atlos | basically I want one 6 teams for 7 player slots |
| 22:41.13 | s3rius|fed | Only option I know is to just have all players in one team, then split them into teams using triggers. |
| 22:41.13 | Tordecybombo | you can select some random guy not even from the lotr universe |
| 22:41.14 | Tordecybombo | like idra |
| 22:41.25 | ProzaicMuze | Psych is the best show ever |
| 22:41.26 | Atlos | damn, that makes it really difficult to tell who is who |
| 22:41.32 | ProzaicMuze | And IdrA is a douchebag |
| 22:41.36 | s3rius|fed | you could make a dialog so everyone can choose |
| 22:41.45 | s3rius|fed | IrdA is a douche, but he knows his game. |
| 22:41.48 | Atlos | well if I do it that way |
| 22:41.50 | ProzaicMuze | No |
| 22:41.51 | Tordecybombo | true but you have to admit he's a beast when it comes to playing zerg |
| 22:41.52 | Atlos | then people will get ingame |
| 22:41.54 | ProzaicMuze | He doesn't know his game |
| 22:41.58 | ProzaicMuze | he demands ONE game |
| 22:41.58 | Atlos | and be like I DONT WANT TO PLAY AS BLAH |
| 22:41.59 | Tordecybombo | he's one of the few saviors for zerg atm |
| 22:41.59 | Atlos | and leave |
| 22:42.01 | ProzaicMuze | macro macro macro |
| 22:42.05 | Tordecybombo | since zerg is quite underpowered against terran |
| 22:42.09 | s3rius|fed | He's too conservative, but he's a damn good zerg |
| 22:42.10 | ProzaicMuze | If you don't macro, you MUST be cheating and retarded |
| 22:42.23 | antares- | just popping in here to second Psych being the best show ever |
| 22:42.29 | s3rius|fed | that's the douche part :p |
| 22:42.29 | ProzaicMuze | ^^ |
| 22:42.40 | ThunderLord | how would i go about making a passive ability? |
| 22:42.44 | ProzaicMuze | There's another part beyond the douchebaggery? |
| 22:42.45 | ThunderLord | levelable |
| 22:42.51 | Tordecybombo | ^ |
| 22:42.58 | Nash | you don't make passive abilities |
| 22:43.09 | Nash | passive abilities aren't actually abilities |
| 22:43.17 | Tordecybombo | but behaviors? |
| 22:43.17 | s3rius|fed | As I said, he is pretty good. Of course he has his playstyle (which is macroing like hell), but everyone does. |
| 22:43.18 | raydenuni | ProzaicMuze, Launch Attachment Query is where the missile is launched from right? |
| 22:43.26 | ThunderLord | yeah but |
| 22:43.27 | ProzaicMuze | yep |
| 22:43.28 | Nash | Yes, Behaviors. |
| 22:43.30 | raydenuni | i set it to center on my ship but it's launching from his position on the ground |
| 22:43.30 | ThunderLord | how would i do that |
| 22:43.38 | ProzaicMuze | That's a stupid issue with missiles |
| 22:43.39 | Tordecybombo | how do you level behaviors |
| 22:43.46 | ThunderLord | yeah |
| 22:43.47 | Tordecybombo | without making a hundred different version of said behaviors |
| 22:43.48 | ProzaicMuze | There are some 10 different fields tha if set improperly |
| 22:43.50 | ThunderLord | thats what im asking |
| 22:43.50 | ProzaicMuze | It shoots from the unit's origin |
| 22:43.57 | ProzaicMuze | Start with the events |
| 22:44.06 | Tordecybombo | upgrading doesnt seem to do anything to behaviors |
| 22:44.08 | Nash | You make an Attribute type Behavior |
| 22:44.14 | ProzaicMuze | Then check the L.A.Q. and the SOps fields |
| 22:44.16 | ThunderLord | i can make several versions of behaviors |
| 22:44.21 | raydenuni | LAQ, SOps? |
| 22:44.23 | Tordecybombo | woah |
| 22:44.27 | Nash | then you add more of them when you level up |
| 22:44.27 | ThunderLord | i need to link that with abilitys |
| 22:44.29 | ProzaicMuze | Launch Attachment Query |
| 22:44.31 | ProzaicMuze | Site Operations |
| 22:44.35 | Chainclaw | does the Player - Player Leaves Game trigger happen when someone quits, or just from the victory screen? It seems to imply the latter because the options are defeat/tie/victory/any |
| 22:44.48 | Nash | in Veterancy you can add attributes at certain levels |
| 22:44.48 | Tordecybombo | latter :/ |
| 22:44.54 | ProzaicMuze | If none of those fix it, you'll probably need to remake the missile |
| 22:45.04 | Chainclaw | how do you check if a player quits? |
| 22:45.05 | raydenuni | what is Site Ops? |
| 22:45.07 | ProzaicMuze | It's stupid, I know, but even I haven't figured out a quick and easy way to fix missiles shooting from origin. |
| 22:45.12 | raydenuni | this is just a copy of the battlecruiser AA missile |
| 22:45.12 | ProzaicMuze | All the host fieds |
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| 22:45.16 | ThunderLord | nope i need it linked to an ability |
| 22:45.24 | ProzaicMuze | Host, Host Site operations, Launch Site, Launch Site Operations, Impact Site Operations |
| 22:45.31 | ProzaicMuze | towards the bottom of the Missile Attack (Action) Actor |
| 22:45.37 | Tordecybombo | i had a problem where i wanted to player to lose points if he leaves the game |
| 22:45.44 | raydenuni | yeah but id o'nt know what they shoould be set to |
| 22:45.49 | Tordecybombo | by lose points i mean the record is saved on his bank file |
| 22:45.53 | Chainclaw | I want to change his name on the scoreboard to show he left |
| 22:45.55 | raydenuni | Launch Site Ops is SOpAttachHarness, no idea if that's correct |
| 22:46.01 | Tordecybombo | but since the leave game event doesnt work i needed an alternative way of doing it |
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| 22:46.14 | Nash | Attributes ftw :o |
| 22:46.15 | Chainclaw | you can easily check if the player is gone, but not easily trigger on them leaving |
| 22:46.26 | Redfox777 | Afternoon everyone |
| 22:46.30 | Tordecybombo | but i'd rather not doa periodic event that checks every second |
| 22:46.39 | ThunderLord | cant do attributes cuz that is linked to veterency but not abilitys |
| 22:46.41 | Tordecybombo | since i need to save the loss record before he leaves |
| 22:46.53 | Nash | keep a boolean variable that keeps track of if loss conditions are met |
| 22:46.54 | Tordecybombo | so the idea i came up with was |
| 22:47.11 | Tordecybombo | temporarily save the loss record at the start of the game! |
| 22:47.13 | Nash | if player is no longer in game but loss conditions are not met -> ragequitted |
| 22:47.16 | Chainclaw | yeah, I could throw in a timer that goes every 5 seconds, "(Controller of player PlayerCount) != LastController[PlayerCount]" |
| 22:47.39 | Tordecybombo | it was so brilliant i gave myself a pat on the back |
| 22:47.46 | ProzaicMuze | lmfao! |
| 22:47.46 | Tordecybombo | because i would never think of something like that |
| 22:47.48 | Tordecybombo | since im dumb |
| 22:47.53 | ProzaicMuze | This Psych episode is epic! |
| 22:47.54 | Chainclaw | afk |
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| 22:49.38 | Nash | ThunderLord: uh, you could add attributes with triggers, I think |
| 22:50.15 | s3rius|fed | @tordey: when the game starts remove points from every player and save the bank. then, when the game ends add points to every player who's still in-game. Everyone who left before that will not get their points back. |
| 22:50.29 | Tordecybombo | s3rius that's what i thought about |
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| 22:50.42 | Tordecybombo | i gave myself a pat on the back for it :3 |
| 22:50.43 | Nash | I don't know if you can make an ability that adds attribute scores |
| 22:50.45 | Redfox777 | whats everyone up to today? |
| 22:50.55 | raydenuni | making weapons |
| 22:50.56 | Tordecybombo | temporarily save a loss record at the start |
| 22:51.05 | raydenuni | wishing command cards weren't broken |
| 22:51.07 | ThunderLord | unfortuneately it needs to be ability based, as in, you learn each level of the ability and it adds a behavior |
| 22:51.09 | Tordecybombo | when they leave early, they dont get the points back |
| 22:51.11 | Tordecybombo | it's beautiful |
| 22:51.24 | raydenuni | when i click on one item to buy, it gives me a different one |
| 22:51.25 | Redfox777 | wait command cards are broken? |
| 22:51.38 | Redfox777 | hmm |
| 22:51.44 | Redfox777 | speaking of broken |
| 22:51.56 | Redfox777 | will blizzard ever patch the editor? |
| 22:52.04 | Tordecybombo | maybe in the next content patch |
| 22:52.04 | Pinzu | Ray, you helped me yesterday, I can happily inform you it wasnt invane ;) |
| 22:52.07 | Nash | 1. figure out how to make an ability that adds attribute score 2. make a dummy ability you can use as trigger event and add attribute via triggers |
| 22:52.17 | Nash | pick one |
| 22:53.28 | Unrea1 | Hahahaha |
| 22:53.30 | Unrea1 | Its so pro |
| 22:53.38 | Tordecybombo | i have a weird fascination with collecting statistics |
| 22:53.42 | Unrea1 | Im changing the harvest of the workers to the money bag |
| 22:53.49 | Unrea1 | To match the peasents from WC3 |
| 22:54.13 | Unrea1 | a^ |
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| 22:55.12 | Tordecybombo | what's a better rating system than elo ratings? |
| 22:55.30 | sixen-debug | Rank? |
| 22:55.30 | Redfox777 | what exactly is elo? |
| 22:55.35 | raydenuni | that can't be answered |
| 22:55.42 | Talila | elo is a ranking for chess, I think it was |
| 22:55.42 | sixen-debug | Agree. |
| 22:55.43 | Redfox777 | lol |
| 22:55.48 | raydenuni | Elo is a rating system created by a guy named Elo for the purposes of ranking chess player's relative skill |
| 22:56.00 | Nash | I'm assuming apply Behavior lets you add Attribute scores in some manner, though. |
| 22:56.01 | Tordecybombo | a variant of elo ratings is used for Starcraft 2's point system too |
| 22:56.06 | Tordecybombo | Elo Ratings is used everywhere |
| 22:56.09 | Tordecybombo | competitive |
| 22:56.11 | raydenuni | yep |
| 22:56.15 | raydenuni | Go sues it |
| 22:56.17 | Redfox777 | and that gets used for games like LoL why? |
| 22:56.18 | raydenuni | LoL uses a modified Elo |
| 22:56.27 | raydenuni | Redfox777, it's a way to score relative skill levels |
| 22:56.44 | raydenuni | they want to pair players up with other players of relatively similar skill |
| 22:56.45 | Talila | Its all modified, because it trys to estimate a players skill and match them up so their Win/Loss ends up being 50/50 |
| 22:56.51 | raydenuni | no |
| 22:56.53 | raydenuni | it doesn't do that |
| 22:57.03 | Tordecybombo | they're modified because the original has a couple of flaws |
| 22:57.10 | raydenuni | the LoL system attempts to make the probability of winning each match to be 50% |
| 22:57.13 | Tordecybombo | so the modifications somewhat fix em for their game |
| 22:57.13 | Talila | The original is based around Chess |
| 22:57.22 | raydenuni | it does nothing to make your win/loss ratio 50% |
| 22:57.27 | Redfox777 | gotcha |
| 22:57.29 | Talila | If you play enough games |
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| 22:57.35 | Talila | it should be really close to 50% win/loss |
| 22:57.39 | Talila | but thats in the millions of games |
| 22:57.40 | raydenuni | not necessarily |
| 22:57.49 | Nash | unless you're the best |
| 22:57.50 | raydenuni | if you are at 100-50, it won't try to make you lose 50 games to even it out |
| 22:57.54 | Talila | it will average out once your skill is determined |
| 22:57.58 | raydenuni | yes |
| 22:57.59 | Tordecybombo | list of practical issues w/ elo ratings: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elo_rating#Practical_issues |
| 22:58.02 | raydenuni | that is probably waht will happen |
| 22:58.05 | Talila | No, it wont make you lose 50 games |
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| 22:58.18 | raydenuni | people have the misconception that they are being punished for getting some wins and now they will get losses |
| 22:58.28 | raydenuni | or they have more losses than wins, therefore it's broken |
| 22:58.35 | Talila | When you win alot, your estimated skill raises higher |
| 22:58.35 | raydenuni | which isn't the case |
| 22:58.41 | Tordecybombo | im guessing they dont know about the elo rating system :p |
| 22:58.48 | Talila | so you have a better chance of facing someone whos skill is better then yours |
| 22:58.49 | raydenuni | who? |
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| 22:58.56 | raydenuni | yes, probably |
| 22:58.57 | Talila | which then it will bump you down until it finds your skill level |
| 22:59.10 | Tordecybombo | you need to continue winning against people near your skill level to increase your rating |
| 22:59.13 | s3rius | weeell, basically |
| 22:59.22 | s3rius | it does try to make you lose 50 games if you're 100-50 |
| 22:59.29 | raydenuni | no it doesn't |
| 22:59.30 | s3rius | just because it think you need better opponents |
| 22:59.30 | raydenuni | not at all |
| 22:59.31 | s3rius | :P |
| 22:59.33 | raydenuni | were you not listening? |
| 22:59.37 | raydenuni | there is no history |
| 22:59.42 | raydenuni | elo doesn't care what your win/loss is |
| 22:59.58 | Talila | it doesnt know your +50, but it knows your skill is at whatever level +50 got you |
| 22:59.59 | Tordecybombo | it's all based on your opponent's rating |
| 23:00.01 | raydenuni | you can't say someone whose record is 100-50 has a higher rating than someone who is 30-50 |
| 23:00.15 | Tordecybombo | most of it anyway |
| 23:00.33 | Tordecybombo | some people use distribution curves to prevent inflation or something like that iunno |
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| 23:00.48 | s3rius | True that maybe. Still it's designed to even out your win ratio by judging your skill and matching you with evenly skilled |
| 23:01.19 | Tordecybombo | hi s3rius |
| 23:01.32 | s3rius | ? |
| 23:01.39 | Unrea1 | He said Hi |
| 23:01.45 | Unrea1 | Do you wish for me to translate? |
| 23:01.47 | sixen-debug | He said hi, :o |
| 23:01.53 | s3rius | sixen you robot! |
| 23:01.54 | Pinzu | confirmed, |
| 23:01.57 | Unrea1 | xD |
| 23:02.01 | sixen-debug | Boop |
| 23:02.02 | Atlos | hmm where do you change how long upgrades take? |
| 23:02.12 | *** part/#sc2mapster magesblood (476e850f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.110.133.15) |
| 23:02.15 | Tordecybombo | sixen is a robot i knew it |
| 23:02.28 | sixen-debug | Bleep |
| 23:02.47 | Unrea1 | [15:30] <sixen-debug> 0101010100000001010 00101 0010100 1110000 1000001110 |
| 23:02.54 | s3rius | Also "Hi" is generally a term of greeting a person you meet. Since tord and I have been in this chat for quite a while already (and been talking to each other) I found it a little bit misplaced. I'm a grammar nazi so this does kind of disturb my inner peace. |
| 23:02.55 | Unrea1 | Proof |
| 23:03.05 | raydenuni | s3rius> True that maybe. Still it's designed to even out your win ratio by judging your skill and matching you with evenly skilled <-- it is not designed to "even out your win ratio" |
| 23:03.16 | raydenuni | it is designed to give you a 50% win chance every game |
| 23:03.19 | s3rius | Well, it does even it out |
| 23:03.24 | raydenuni | it may well happen that way |
| 23:03.29 | raydenuni | but that is not how the algorithm works |
| 23:03.38 | s3rius | You may call it a by-product |
| 23:03.42 | raydenuni | it's like flipping a coin 10 times and saying you will probably end up 5-5 |
| 23:03.45 | raydenuni | that may happen |
| 23:03.54 | raydenuni | but it's not because it was designed that way |
| 23:03.55 | s3rius | statistically it will happen |
| 23:04.10 | raydenuni | it's the wrong way of looking at it |
| 23:04.23 | s3rius | This system is also designed to cover up imbalances, cough :D |
| 23:04.34 | Tordecybombo | it would've been awesome if chesscraft was more popular and progammer saved Elo ratings and player names worked as strings |
| 23:04.37 | raydenuni | oh riot does all sorts of cool things to even it out |
| 23:04.46 | raydenuni | hmm |
| 23:04.49 | raydenuni | this weapon cannot be purchased |
| 23:04.53 | raydenuni | it gives me a different weapon in stead |
| 23:05.06 | s3rius | I played chesscraft once. And what did I manage to do? I killed my Queen with a pawn of mine.. |
| 23:05.24 | raydenuni | nice |
| 23:05.41 | raydenuni | wtf |
| 23:05.53 | raydenuni | the LOCATION of my item in the pawn shop (on the command card) changes which item it gives me |
| 23:06.59 | Pinzu | need somehelp with debugging my map |
| 23:07.01 | Pinzu | :/ |
| 23:08.17 | Tordecybombo | guess who the dark voice is |
| 23:08.23 | Mojache_ | does anyone have a link to the missile command map that was a contest runner up a couple weeks ago? |
| 23:08.38 | Tordecybombo | i miss missile command :/ |
| 23:08.42 | Tordecybombo | that was a fun map |
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| 23:08.57 | Tordecybombo | is it the same one where you build up energy |
| 23:09.14 | Tordecybombo | and use a variety of missiles that automatically target opponent's buildings? |
| 23:09.18 | Pinzu | googled it?7 |
| 23:09.53 | Tordecybombo | where the heck is samir duran |
| 23:10.32 | sixen-debug | Hiding. |
| 23:10.46 | Pinzu | :p |
| 23:11.11 | Mojache_ | does anyone know where I should start when trying to make a "Laser sight" or rather a line between two units or points? |
| 23:11.20 | Mojache_ | is that just a model strectched? |
| 23:11.54 | Pinzu | maybe check out the campaign the map with the giant lazer |
| 23:11.55 | Pinzu | idk ;d |
| 23:12.58 | Tordecybombo | wish i can have s3rius and vjeux on my friends list :( |
| 23:13.02 | Tordecybombo | but they're EU |
| 23:13.06 | Tordecybombo | no one cool is on US |
| 23:13.08 | Tordecybombo | cept progammer |
| 23:13.49 | casperb | everyone is on US :p |
| 23:13.53 | Tordecybombo | i wish :4 |
| 23:14.00 | Wartex | If I want all players to upgrade their units from the same building, could I make all players ally, shared units with an AI and assign the building to that AI? Or would they share resources as well then? |
| 23:14.06 | s3rius | lol |
| 23:14.13 | Tordecybombo | hi s3rius |
| 23:14.18 | Unrea1 | http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/6779/moneykr.jpg |
| 23:14.20 | casperb | OneTwo, Sixen, rrowland etc :p |
| 23:14.25 | s3rius | You're distrurbing my inner piece again!! |
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| 23:14.39 | Darkarbiter_ | Hey guys |
| 23:14.40 | Tordecybombo | is that warcraft 3 |
| 23:14.41 | Tordecybombo | woah |
| 23:14.50 | Darkarbiter_ | I have a question |
| 23:14.52 | s3rius | the worker with the bad looks pretty nice |
| 23:15.00 | Darkarbiter_ | how do you make units change model when they morph?> |
| 23:15.03 | Redfox777 | that worker is hilarious |
| 23:15.05 | Redfox777 | good job |
| 23:15.10 | Unrea1 | :D |
| 23:15.19 | Pinzu | I demand you call him peon! |
| 23:15.22 | Unrea1 | Darkarbiter Event+ |
| 23:15.30 | s3rius | Uhm, you mean the morphing itself? Like, zerg units turning into cocoons? |
| 23:15.49 | Tordecybombo | window (fullscreen) mode is the best |
| 23:15.52 | Tordecybombo | instant alt-tab is amazing |
| 23:15.54 | Darkarbiter_ | I mean like |
| 23:15.58 | Wartex | hah, I looked at that picture for a while and just now I realised that workers usually are SCVs |
| 23:16.00 | Tordecybombo | it's smething that plagued TF2 |
| 23:16.01 | Darkarbiter_ | a Command center turns into a planetary fortress |
| 23:16.13 | Redfox777 | is it possible to change the model but retain the same stats/items/name after the morph? |
| 23:16.15 | Darkarbiter_ | I've got it to change |
| 23:16.23 | Darkarbiter_ | but I want to change the model |
| 23:16.26 | Darkarbiter_ | of the new thin |
| 23:16.27 | Darkarbiter_ | thing |
| 23:16.48 | s3rius | You can just go to the actor for the planetary fortress then, I think. |
| 23:16.52 | s3rius | And change it's model |
| 23:17.11 | Darkarbiter_ | tried that |
| 23:17.13 | Darkarbiter_ | didn't work |
| 23:17.21 | s3rius | whut? |
| 23:17.22 | Darkarbiter_ | I mean when I place the new building it has the new model |
| 23:17.29 | s3rius | Hm |
| 23:17.34 | Darkarbiter_ | but when unit 1 morphs into unit 2 |
| 23:17.37 | Darkarbiter_ | it's unit 1's model |
| 23:17.39 | ThunderLord | How do i set up a revive ability? |
| 23:17.54 | raydenuni | ThunderLord, one moment |
| 23:18.23 | raydenuni | http://www.youtube.com/user/OneTwoSC#p/c/165B3EF3942D1179/0/kEdOqHbborI |
| 23:18.32 | s3rius | then I don't really know arbiter >.< |
| 23:19.45 | Unrea1 | I probably could make a WC3 map |
| 23:19.52 | Unrea1 | But keep the SC2 buildings |
| 23:20.00 | Unrea1 | Just with the different resources |
| 23:22.45 | Pinzu | hey this isnt giving me the right value; |
| 23:22.47 | Pinzu | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:22.55 | Pinzu | gv_numWordCurMax[StringLength(gv_wordList[lv_x])] = (gv_numWordCurMax[StringLength(gv_wordList[lv_x])] + 1); |
| 23:23.14 | Pinzu | where X is a loop from 0 to 27 |
| 23:23.26 | Tordecybombo | off by one? |
| 23:23.34 | Pinzu | someone care to help? |
| 23:23.54 | raydenuni | ProzaicMuze, i fixed it. it was a mix of not linking the launch effect and the Effect's Unit - Ammo Unit properly |
| 23:23.55 | Otixa | Use more nested vars next time |
| 23:23.55 | s3rius | I don't even know what you're trying to do -- |
| 23:24.02 | Unrea1 | That looks like its very complex, I don't want to even touch that with a 20 foot pole |
| 23:24.08 | s3rius | Yea, i think your code is just not complicated enough to work |
| 23:24.23 | ProzaicMuze | @Ray - good deal :) |
| 23:24.26 | Unrea1 | Ight better img http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/7433/sc22010081916224523.jpg |
| 23:24.27 | Pinzu | its in gui, I just coppied that because its easier to read ;) |
| 23:24.42 | Unrea1 | Should make it the default :| |
| 23:24.47 | s3rius | If you need help with that kind of stuff, you need to post the whole thing and, if possible, have comments with it. |
| 23:24.58 | Pinzu | i can share u the map |
| 23:25.03 | Pinzu | http://www.speedyshare.com/files/23879577/Pinzu_QWERTY_Onslaught_.SC2Map |
| 23:25.14 | Darkarbiter_ | Hey guys |
| 23:25.20 | Redfox777 | Is imageshack better than photobucket? |
| 23:25.22 | Pinzu | there are some commens here and there, dont need to boycott me ;) |
| 23:25.23 | Darkarbiter_ | how do you make a unit change it's model to the new model when it morphs? |
| 23:25.49 | Pinzu | anyway continue this private if you could be so kind to check it out, dont want to spam |
| 23:26.34 | Unrea1 | Img shack |
| 23:26.36 | Tordecybombo | ready to work!!!! |
| 23:26.38 | Tordecybombo | ]righto |
| 23:27.05 | Unrea1 | Youre the king? Well I didnt vote for you |
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| 23:27.23 | Tordecybombo | my favorite color is yellow |
| 23:27.35 | Pinzu | dosnt he say |
| 23:27.35 | Unrea1 | 0.o |
| 23:27.39 | Pinzu | "blue... noo yello" |
| 23:27.53 | Tordecybombo | prob i havent played wc3 in a loooooooong tiime |
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| 23:28.04 | Pinzu | you know from the montypyton ;d |
| 23:28.14 | Tordecybombo | oh that's differnet |
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| 23:28.31 | Pinzu | but the knight in wc3 says it to I swear ;) |
| 23:29.11 | Tordecybombo | i think a lot of things from wc3 reference monty python holy grail |
| 23:29.34 | raydenuni | any of you know what the (Create Persistant) part of the Banshee attack is for? |
| 23:29.49 | Tordecybombo | looking for a game programmer that is experienced in C++ |
| 23:30.10 | Sublimity | raydenuni: A Banshee shoots two projectiles. The persistent effect is the thing that waits a split second then creates the second projectile |
| 23:30.25 | Sublimity | Vikings, Phoenixes, etc. all use the same system. |
| 23:30.36 | Tordecybombo | im an expert at html |
| 23:30.53 | Otixa | laughs at Tordecybombo |
| 23:31.04 | Otixa | explodes |
| 23:31.17 | Tordecybombo | actually forget it im not an expert at html |
| 23:31.18 | Sublimity | is showered in the gibblets of Otixa. |
| 23:31.46 | Otixa | turns to smoke and goes back to the shadows |
| 23:32.05 | Tordecybombo | smoke |
| 23:32.06 | Tordecybombo | boom |
| 23:32.09 | Otixa | You know |
| 23:32.21 | Otixa | Looking at stuff here from time to time is fucking priceless |
| 23:32.23 | Tordecybombo | 4 of the maps on the top popularity list are like 100 games within each other |
| 23:32.29 | Otixa | You don't usually get shit like |
| 23:32.29 | Tordecybombo | it's outrageous! |
| 23:32.34 | Otixa | [02:29] <Tordecybombo> looking for a game programmer that is experienced in C++ |
| 23:32.35 | lotharscm | how do you hide disabled behaviors until they are enabled again |
| 23:32.36 | Otixa | and |
| 23:32.39 | Otixa | [02:30] <Tordecybombo> im an expert at html |
| 23:32.40 | Tordecybombo | they were jokes |
| 23:32.57 | Tordecybombo | glad i made you laugh though |
| 23:32.59 | Tordecybombo | :] |
| 23:33.27 | Otixa | smacks Tordecybombo |
| 23:33.32 | Tordecybombo | ow :/ |
| 23:33.47 | Otixa | Like the guy who wanted to export a model to a texture last night |
| 23:34.05 | nitroball | rofl |
| 23:34.10 | Sublimity | I believe that |
| 23:34.15 | Sublimity | is called "taking a screenshot" |
| 23:34.29 | Tordecybombo | hey we're all smart people! |
| 23:34.33 | Otixa | Yeah... no |
| 23:34.35 | Etherimp | SS or it didn't happen. |
| 23:34.45 | Vulfe | Hey guys |
| 23:34.46 | Vulfe | so |
| 23:34.47 | Unrea1 | www.screenshot.com |
| 23:34.47 | ProzaicMuze | So does anyone else occasionally have models that just won't show up? |
| 23:34.52 | Vulfe | I need this model made into a texture |
| 23:34.56 | Vulfe | is that possible? |
| 23:35.04 | ProzaicMuze | They'll work 50% of the time, and the times they don't they just display as a heat ripple/wave? |
| 23:35.06 | Otixa | Actually, Vulfe, it IS possible |
| 23:35.08 | Unrea1 | Prozaic only if they are single player models |
| 23:35.10 | Vulfe | Prozaic: Sometimes, randomly |
| 23:35.18 | Otixa | There is a trick, I think it's used in Second Life |
| 23:35.35 | Otixa | You can export the model baked onto a cubic projection |
| 23:35.44 | ProzaicMuze | Yeah, it's just stupid |
| 23:35.45 | Otixa | Kinda like object-based normal mapping |
| 23:35.53 | ProzaicMuze | Sometimes the model (blast in this case) works 5 times in a row |
| 23:35.54 | Vulfe | okay |
| 23:35.54 | Darkarbiter_ | How do I make units change model when they morph? |
| 23:35.58 | Vulfe | you do that and get back to me |
| 23:35.58 | ProzaicMuze | Then just heat waves 5times |
| 23:36.01 | Otixa | It exports the vertexes with the smoothing groups into the color channels of the image |
| 23:36.04 | ProzaicMuze | works once, back to heat waves |
| 23:36.05 | ProzaicMuze | It's completely random |
| 23:36.09 | Otixa | </OtixaWikipediaMoment> |
| 23:36.29 | Vulfe | Prozaic: What are you using the model for? |
| 23:36.37 | Sublimity | Darkarbiter_: you make the unit that the unit morphs into have a different model |
| 23:36.46 | raydenuni | thanks Sublimity |
| 23:36.46 | ProzaicMuze | Just an impact blast |
| 23:36.48 | Darkarbiter_ | That didn't work |
| 23:36.54 | lotharscm | how do you hide a behavior while it is diabled |
| 23:36.55 | Sublimity | Define "didn't work" |
| 23:37.13 | nitroball | you can bake an object into another object as a normal map |
| 23:37.13 | Darkarbiter_ | Unit 1 morphs into unit 2, stats change etc |
| 23:37.16 | Sublimity | lotharscm: "hide" from the buff panel in the UI? What do you mean "disabled"? |
| 23:37.17 | Darkarbiter_ | model doesn't change |
| 23:37.21 | Darkarbiter_ | I then changed unit 2's model |
| 23:37.27 | Darkarbiter_ | model still doesn't change |
| 23:37.32 | ProzaicMuze | Morph's don't chance models |
| 23:37.34 | lotharscm | hide from the the buff panel, disabled via validator |
| 23:37.41 | ProzaicMuze | You have to either model swap or destroy the actor and create the 2nd one |
| 23:37.46 | ProzaicMuze | change* |
| 23:37.53 | Darkarbiter_ | Ok |
| 23:37.53 | Pinzu | hmm, someone should post in the wiki, how to make a terratron |
| 23:37.56 | Darkarbiter_ | details on how to do that? |
| 23:38.01 | ProzaicMuze | Actor events |
| 23:38.20 | Darkarbiter_ | Ok, I'm noob with actors (ok with everything else though) |
| 23:38.25 | Darkarbiter_ | so what should I do? |
| 23:38.26 | ProzaicMuze | AbilMorph.[name].[when] > Destroy / Create [Actor] or Model Swap |
| 23:38.50 | Darkarbiter_ | on unit 1 or unit 2? |
| 23:38.57 | Darkarbiter_ | model swap is probably easier |
| 23:39.30 | Tordecybombo | if i made a terratron, can you guys use it |
| 23:39.55 | ProzaicMuze | Model Swap for Unit 1 |
| 23:40.22 | ProzaicMuze | If it's only A to B and not bidireactional, only the first unit needs the events |
| 23:40.40 | Darkarbiter_ | Well it is bi directional, but I can just do the same thing to unit 2 |
| 23:40.41 | Vulfe | basically it's intuitive |
| 23:40.42 | Vulfe | (no way) |
| 23:41.04 | sixen-debug | Prozaic |
| 23:42.09 | Redfox777 | If yall had the choice, what game engine would you want to develop a game on? |
| 23:42.33 | Sublimity | Redfox777: That's a very nebulous question. What kind of game? |
| 23:42.53 | Darkarbiter_ | Ok that worked sortof |
| 23:43.02 | Darkarbiter_ | but because unit 1 has 1.5x model size |
| 23:43.04 | Redfox777 | any type of game |
| 23:43.08 | Darkarbiter_ | and unit 2 has 1.0 model size |
| 23:43.10 | *** mode/#sc2mapster [+v ProzaicMuze] by ChanServ |
| 23:43.12 | Darkarbiter_ | I better use actor create/destory |
| 23:43.14 | Darkarbiter_ | destroy |
| 23:43.34 | Sublimity | Redfox777: There is no such thing as a good engine for any type of game. |
| 23:43.48 | Redfox777 | haha the type of game you want to make |
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| 23:44.15 | Darkarbiter_ | So when you mean actor create/destroy |
| 23:44.15 | Redfox777 | lets say an top down rpg |
| 23:44.18 | Darkarbiter_ | which one is that |
| 23:44.22 | Darkarbiter_ | just destroy? |
| 23:44.35 | Sublimity | Darkarbiter_: Yeah, the actions are called "Create" and "Destroy |
| 23:44.41 | Darkarbiter_ | Ok, thanks |
| 23:44.46 | Sublimity | Look at, say, the Zergling/Baneling morph for an example |
| 23:45.28 | Redfox777 | I'd like to see what the crysis engine could do with a diabloish rpg |
| 23:46.00 | Redfox777 | never really saw any non-first-person mods for crysis though |
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| 23:47.20 | Darkarbiter_ | Ok |
| 23:47.24 | Darkarbiter_ | I can get it to destroy the actor |
| 23:47.27 | Darkarbiter_ | but not crate a new one |
| 23:47.46 | Sublimity | The "Create" action has to go on the second model |
| 23:48.24 | Sublimity | Respond to AbilMorph, check the MorphsFrom and MorphsTo terms, and send Create |
| 23:48.25 | Darkarbiter_ | Ok |
| 23:48.43 | Darkarbiter_ | I have ability morph become resource collector start |
| 23:48.50 | Darkarbiter_ | destroy (action) |
| 23:48.59 | Darkarbiter_ | then I have ability morph become resource collector start |
| 23:49.10 | Darkarbiter_ | create resource collector resource collector |
| 23:49.47 | casperb | ekcolnovkol: What's the current state of sotis? :p |
| 23:49.51 | Saucy | Hey, I'm trying to make an ability that will kill a building with a timer behavior like an infested terran. I want the ability to put the timer on the building as long as it is constantly using the ability (dont know if u can do constant like the sentry attack) if the unit with the ability even moves or does any other command i want it to stop and the timer to stop exactly where it is.... Any idea how i'd do this? |
| 23:51.20 | Sublimity | Darkarbiter_: On Unit 2: AbilMorph.*.Start; MorphFrom Unit2; Destroy and AbilMorph.*.Finish; MorphTo Unit2; Create |
| 23:52.02 | Darkarbiter_ | morph from unit 1? |
| 23:52.22 | Sublimity | No; on unit 2, when morphing *from* unit 2, destroy the unit 2 actor |
| 23:52.32 | Sublimity | On unit 2, when morphing *to* unit to, create the unit 2 actor |
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| 23:53.36 | Darkarbiter_ | I think I might have it working |
| 23:53.41 | Darkarbiter_ | it's just it's 1.5x the size |
| 23:53.47 | Darkarbiter_ | the second unit is |
| 23:53.50 | Darkarbiter_ | and it isn't meant to be |
| 23:54.02 | Sublimity | You can add a message to change the actor scale too |
| 23:54.42 | Darkarbiter_ | ah ok, I'll try that |
| 23:56.59 | Darkarbiter_ | I'll just try model swap and change scale |
| 23:58.54 | Darkarbiter_ | Ok it's working now |
| 23:58.56 | Darkarbiter_ | thankyou very much |
| 23:59.29 | casperb | Saucy: So like a countdown until total annihilation? |
| 23:59.32 | raydenuni | rofl |
| 23:59.40 | raydenuni | my weapon uses the unit itself as the projectile to kamikaze |
