| 00:00.24 | onetwo | maybe an update for your video card? |
| 00:00.45 | RoarMan | <3 Alpha ;0 |
| 00:00.48 | RoarMan | WAITAWFDLAOFLA |
| 00:02.16 | Triceron | Alpha, you heard of cubees? |
| 00:02.25 | heysparky | has anyone seen a cool looking ruined city? |
| 00:02.35 | heysparky | screenshots? |
| 00:03.11 | onetwo | rl? |
| 00:03.18 | heysparky | sc2 |
| 00:03.38 | Alpha_vst | cubees? |
| 00:03.47 | Triceron | what about the wallaper contest? |
| 00:03.56 | Triceron | yah cubees |
| 00:04.03 | heysparky | merh/ |
| 00:04.05 | onetwo | how come sparky? |
| 00:04.12 | heysparky | just looking for inspiration for my map |
| 00:04.16 | Alpha_vst | cubess? |
| 00:04.20 | Triceron | papercraft big headed paper dolls |
| 00:04.24 | heysparky | broken down residential section of a space platform |
| 00:04.35 | Triceron | with cube heads and cube bodies |
| 00:05.13 | Triceron | people make printouts of em so you can make a real papercraft figure |
| 00:05.17 | Alpha_vst | yeah |
| 00:05.21 | Triceron | you could download a cubee zombie |
| 00:05.24 | Triceron | and use it as a texture map |
| 00:05.33 | Helral | hmmmm just wondering but does anyone know of a way to get the unit's damage output? |
| 00:05.38 | Alpha_vst | i need the zombie model... |
| 00:05.39 | Mozared | I've got a ruined temple in my jungle map, Sparky |
| 00:05.44 | Mozared | But I guess that's not what you're looking for |
| 00:05.44 | Triceron | you can make one |
| 00:05.48 | Triceron | it's cubes! |
| 00:05.50 | rrowland | catalogs helral |
| 00:06.01 | Triceron | literall 4 or cubes |
| 00:06.09 | Triceron | 4 or 5 |
| 00:06.34 | Triceron | and then you can just UV map the textures on top of the cubes |
| 00:06.47 | Helral | is off to look for a catalog tutorial. |
| 00:07.37 | Alpha_vst | i need it animated with attacks |
| 00:07.39 | Alpha_vst | and shiot |
| 00:08.01 | Alpha_vst | textures are not a issue for me |
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| 00:10.08 | Triceron | they attack? |
| 00:10.18 | Triceron | I thought they just touch your dudes and your dudes will die |
| 00:10.23 | Alpha_vst | of course they do |
| 00:10.53 | Alpha_vst | why the fuck would that happen 0.o |
| 00:11.36 | Triceron | cuz they're zombies and zombies are infectious? |
| 00:13.47 | Alpha_vst | they attack and kill you 0.o |
| 00:14.21 | Triceron | shouldn't be hard to do an attack anim |
| 00:14.30 | Triceron | just have em flail their arms or something |
| 00:14.41 | Alpha_vst | its not if its hard or not |
| 00:14.51 | Triceron | massive headbutt |
| 00:14.55 | Alpha_vst | i wouldnt know how or where to begin |
| 00:15.05 | Alpha_vst | thats why i need someone to do it for me probably |
| 00:15.18 | Alpha_vst | but everyone is a dick so yeah it will be a while |
| 00:16.35 | Triceron | just find some quick tutorials and follow some. There's a lot of resources online for basic 3d stuff, whether its modelling or animating or whatever |
| 00:16.44 | Triceron | youtube |
| 00:17.04 | Helral | rrowland: I can't make head nor tails of catalogs :S |
| 00:17.31 | Alpha_vst | i dont have the time for that shit |
| 00:17.42 | Triceron | pshaw |
| 00:17.44 | Alpha_vst | im doing a lot of other things |
| 00:17.48 | rrowland | They're basically just an in-game copy of the data in the data editor |
| 00:17.50 | Alpha_vst | that are more important |
| 00:18.00 | Squeegeez | Anybody here know math? Geometry? How do i find a point on a circle (X,Y), if the radius of the circle is 60, the circle's point of origin is (100,156), and the angle is (360/14) ? |
| 00:19.01 | Squeegeez | anyone know the formula? =O |
| 00:19.07 | rrowland | Use point with polar offset |
| 00:19.45 | Squeegeez | i need to just place a point on the map (for layout), it can't be with triggers |
| 00:20.22 | Squeegeez | so i need the X,Y coordinates of the point i'm going to place, so i can use it as a reference |
| 00:22.10 | Helral | rrowland: hmmmm do the catalogs allow me to retrieve the damage that the unit currently has? (Example: at lvl 1 this would be 8 and at lvl 3 it would be 10 (8+2) because the damage output increases each level.) |
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| 00:23.12 | rrowland | No, you'd have to calculate the added damage |
| 00:23.15 | Helral | also the weapon that the unit uses will also be different then the basic value. |
| 00:25.12 | Helral | crappy. so I can't retrieve the damage text that is already shown in the unit info area .... |
| 00:25.53 | Vlaeder | Lots of idlers... <.< >.> |
| 00:28.22 | RoarMan | I |
| 00:28.23 | RoarMan | AM |
| 00:28.23 | RoarMan | NOT |
| 00:28.24 | RoarMan | IDLE |
| 00:28.27 | RoarMan | FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFf |
| 00:28.34 | Alpha_vst | what are you trying to do helral? |
| 00:29.34 | Helral | I'll make a screeny to show. |
| 00:29.57 | RedWraith | ~seen tehwildcard |
| 00:29.59 | purl | tehwildcard <~Jer@pool-71-122-122-129.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #sc2mapster, 7d 5h 12m 34s ago, saying: 'You cant place it'. |
| 00:33.15 | Helral | http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/4832/naamloosox.png |
| 00:33.51 | Alpha_vst | your going to have to set a variable |
| 00:34.51 | Alpha_vst | and then combie a string to do DamageBase + (+ ExtraDamage) |
| 00:35.07 | Helral | the problem is how do I retrieve those values. |
| 00:35.09 | Alpha_vst | and you set those variables when ever thjose vaues change |
| 00:35.35 | Helral | is there something like retrieve unit damage ... cause I haven't found anything like that. |
| 00:35.41 | Alpha_vst | no |
| 00:35.50 | Alpha_vst | you have to manually set it |
| 00:36.11 | Alpha_vst | so you know the base damage of the unit is 8 so DamageBase= 8 |
| 00:36.39 | Alpha_vst | when your zealot levels up add to ExtraDamage |
| 00:36.42 | Helral | it is atm. but it changes later on depending on weapon. |
| 00:36.57 | Alpha_vst | when he has a diffrent weapon cahnge the variable |
| 00:37.42 | Helral | so in other words I should do tons of info managing, just to retrieve the data that sc2 has already calculated for me.... |
| 00:37.59 | Alpha_vst | yeah sadly |
| 00:38.04 | Alpha_vst | i know of no other way |
| 00:38.24 | Helral | that's just too annoying to get done :S |
| 00:38.53 | Helral | they should just add a function: get unit damage info (returns text/string) |
| 00:39.10 | Alpha_vst | let me look like |
| 00:39.34 | RedWraith | Does anyone know how to import models with animations/textures from the editor? |
| 00:39.40 | RedWraith | It seems to just give me wireframes... |
| 00:40.01 | Helral | RedWraith: don't forget to extract the textures. |
| 00:40.29 | Helral | they're not included in the model itself in sc2. afaik. they're linked to a certain file. |
| 00:41.19 | RedWraith | How do I go about this? |
| 00:41.28 | RedWraith | Is there an explanation somewhere? |
| 00:42.46 | rrowland | I forgot how to get rid of this stupid mushroom on my head |
| 00:45.21 | Alpha_vst | export the textures from the mpq |
| 00:45.27 | Alpha_vst | link to it in 3dmax |
| 00:45.40 | Alpha_vst | the folder |
| 00:45.52 | RedWraith | wait, I have to actually |
| 00:45.55 | RedWraith | go into the mpq |
| 00:45.57 | RedWraith | and get the textures? |
| 00:45.58 | RedWraith | :P |
| 00:46.02 | Alpha_vst | make a copy of it frist |
| 00:46.09 | Alpha_vst | yeah you do |
| 00:46.13 | RedWraith | I don't understand why Blizzard would do this to me! |
| 00:46.15 | Alpha_vst | takes like 5 min |
| 00:47.01 | Helral | bleh wth..... there is a "Change Unit Damage" function but no "Get Unit Damage" function.... |
| 00:47.39 | Mozared | If you need a workaround, what about "change unit damage to [current damage + [x]]", save that as a variable and show the variable? |
| 00:47.43 | Mozared | (With x=0) |
| 00:47.43 | Alpha_vst | thats not what you think it is helral |
| 00:47.54 | Alpha_vst | nope |
| 00:48.11 | Mozared | It changes unit damage type instead? |
| 00:48.27 | Alpha_vst | Change Unit Damage does it based on words |
| 00:48.33 | Alpha_vst | like full minimal mega |
| 00:48.43 | Mozared | Hm |
| 00:50.23 | Helral | hmmm changes the units armor/damage type...... bleh why can't they just name things correctly. and allow access to already available stuff :S |
| 00:54.16 | Alpha_vst | it might be hidden in like some far off place |
| 00:55.22 | Helral | useless action: Set Unit Info.... it doesn't do anything visible. and there's no getter for this either. but there is a clear function.... |
| 00:57.42 | RedWraith | What MPQ are the textures stored in? |
| 00:59.45 | Alpha_vst | base assests |
| 01:00.14 | Alpha_vst | hmmm this is frustrating |
| 01:00.26 | Alpha_vst | my blood gets removed when my unit does :( |
| 01:00.53 | rrowland | does it have the destroy on orphan event? |
| 01:01.21 | RedWraith | okay, I've extracted all four, now what the hell do I do with them? |
| 01:01.25 | RedWraith | emissive, specular, etc. |
| 01:01.58 | Alpha_vst | no |
| 01:02.13 | RedWraith | diffuse, emissive, normal, specular |
| 01:02.16 | BoltHead | man... cameras freaking suck... |
| 01:02.20 | Alpha_vst | you should jsut extract all of them |
| 01:02.32 | Alpha_vst | put them in the 3dmax folder |
| 01:02.41 | BoltHead | I cannot get this camera to work the way I want... |
| 01:02.42 | Alpha_vst | or you could link to a folder |
| 01:02.56 | BoltHead | i've been working on it all day... |
| 01:03.10 | Alpha_vst | lol |
| 01:04.02 | BoltHead | I wan the camera to stay behind the unit.... at a set distance even when I change the unit's height |
| 01:04.37 | RedWraith | you know what, is there some way to just export all of the textures, put them in a folder and have 3ds max take care of it? |
| 01:05.14 | RedWraith | since it apparently is looking for them by name :P |
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| 01:07.22 | Jcup | heyo |
| 01:08.16 | Alpha_vst | redwarith |
| 01:08.18 | Alpha_vst | yes |
| 01:08.29 | Alpha_vst | right click ro what ever the texture folder and hit export |
| 01:09.06 | Alpha_vst | then in 3dsmax Customize/ Config user paths |
| 01:09.32 | Alpha_vst | external paths / add |
| 01:09.40 | Alpha_vst | err files |
| 01:10.12 | RedWraith | k it's all extracted |
| 01:10.14 | RedWraith | into a folder |
| 01:10.31 | RedWraith | 2.26 gb |
| 01:10.32 | RedWraith | oh wow |
| 01:10.39 | Alpha_vst | Customize/ Config user paths |
| 01:10.48 | Alpha_vst | external files / add |
| 01:11.26 | Alpha_vst | 2gb is nothing really |
| 01:11.40 | RedWraith | I mean that it's ALL textures |
| 01:11.41 | RedWraith | lol |
| 01:11.53 | RedWraith | 2 gb of textures |
| 01:12.11 | RedWraith | It's five thousand different textures. |
| 01:12.14 | Alpha_vst | yeah i have done the same thing |
| 01:13.12 | Helral | nn all |
| 01:13.17 | Mozared | Night Hel |
| 01:13.28 | Repo | New map: http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/tarsonis-wastelands/. Tarsonis Wastelands. teraldent (Manager/Author). Approved by Bifuu. |
| 01:13.32 | Mozared | Also, 70% done with the terrain for the map I'm working on, hoozah |
| 01:13.47 | RedWraith | external files / add |
| 01:13.51 | RedWraith | confused how to do that step |
| 01:13.55 | RedWraith | I'm in config user paths |
| 01:13.59 | RedWraith | don't see something like that |
| 01:14.04 | RedWraith | oh wait |
| 01:14.05 | RedWraith | I'm not |
| 01:14.06 | RedWraith | lol |
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| 01:14.45 | RedWraith | done |
| 01:15.13 | RedWraith | haha yes |
| 01:15.15 | RedWraith | it totally works now |
| 01:15.22 | RedWraith | Thank you, Alpha. |
| 01:15.28 | RedWraith | You are truly the hero of the day. |
| 01:18.06 | Alpha_vst | always |
| 01:18.12 | Alpha_vst | :P |
| 01:18.17 | RedWraith | Now, I just need to figure out how to actually modify this thing. lol |
| 01:18.22 | Alpha_vst | lol |
| 01:18.26 | Alpha_vst | what thing? |
| 01:18.31 | RedWraith | photon cannon |
| 01:18.38 | Alpha_vst | oh lol |
| 01:18.45 | RedWraith | I want to change its colors and replace its blaster with a red crystal |
| 01:18.51 | RedWraith | I want to make a dt cannon. |
| 01:18.59 | Mozared | As in it shoots dark templars? |
| 01:19.05 | Mozared | That'd be epic |
| 01:19.06 | Alpha_vst | color would be done with the texture |
| 01:19.24 | RedWraith | No, Mozared, it shoots out red...whatever the hell it shoots. |
| 01:19.31 | slightlyrandom1 | Photons |
| 01:19.31 | RedWraith | maybe red blasts, maybe red lightning |
| 01:19.34 | slightlyrandom1 | It's in the name |
| 01:19.34 | RedWraith | haven't decided yet. |
| 01:20.29 | Alpha_vst | :P |
| 01:20.29 | RedWraith | To be fair, that would make it a laser, in which case it wouldn't shine like that. :P |
| 01:20.29 | Mozared | You're making some sort of DT-oriented map then? |
| 01:20.29 | RedWraith | Nope. Tower for tower wars map. |
| 01:20.29 | Mozared | I mean - where you play a DT-race rather than the normal 'toss? |
| 01:20.29 | Mozared | Ahh, that works too |
| 01:20.29 | RedWraith | I just think it'd be sooo badass. |
| 01:20.46 | Mozared | Well it's a start at setting your map apart from the other gazillion TD's out there |
| 01:20.49 | Alpha_vst | lol make a cannon defence with a bunhc of custom cannons |
| 01:20.54 | Mozared | Unless you don't really plan on releasing it anyway |
| 01:21.01 | RedWraith | Alpha, that's my intention. |
| 01:21.19 | RedWraith | I just need to know how I actually edit these things now. lol |
| 01:21.50 | RedWraith | maybe I should watch more of that tutorial. |
| 01:21.50 | slightlyrandom1 | Did anyone remake Kodo Tag so I dont have to ? |
| 01:22.07 | Alpha_vst | yeah it took me about a day to pick up basic editing |
| 01:22.26 | Alpha_vst | ims till a big noob |
| 01:26.01 | Alpha_vst | though i never did any modeling before so you might be better off than me :P |
| 01:29.41 | RedWraith | mmm it's not so much the modelling as the animations that's my problem lol |
| 01:29.54 | RedWraith | I just need to make a translucent red diamond |
| 01:30.03 | RedWraith | it's just animating it that's gonna be trouble |
| 01:31.58 | Triceron | can't you just use the photon cannon's animations? |
| 01:32.13 | Triceron | replace that little golden globe thing with your diamond |
| 01:32.39 | RedWraith | I can't figure out how to do that. It's like it's all one big object, despite that I know it splits up for the animations. |
| 01:32.53 | RedWraith | maybe it's just grouping, I should check that. |
| 01:33.36 | BoltHead | oh... fk i think i understand my camera problem now... |
| 01:33.43 | Alpha_vst | well the bones move the object parts |
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| 01:34.11 | Alpha_vst | yeah BoltHead |
| 01:34.19 | Alpha_vst | whats the issue |
| 01:34.27 | BoltHead | don't know if tihs make since just my working thery |
| 01:34.40 | BoltHead | Ok so I have a camera bound to a unit |
| 01:34.47 | BoltHead | and I incrase the units height. |
| 01:34.54 | Alpha_vst | ok |
| 01:35.04 | BoltHead | and I increase the camear offset the same as the units height. |
| 01:35.26 | BoltHead | however when the camera is not locked to the unit it works perfectly |
| 01:35.31 | BoltHead | when it is it messes up.. |
| 01:36.00 | Alpha_vst | locked how |
| 01:36.06 | BoltHead | uhh sec.. |
| 01:36.16 | RedWraith | Yes, but there seems to be no way to separate the object out into its parts |
| 01:36.17 | RedWraith | :( |
| 01:36.18 | BoltHead | Follow Unit |
| 01:36.54 | BoltHead | I'm guessing that the distance is the distance of the camera eye to the (X,Y,0) where the unit is located |
| 01:37.54 | BoltHead | so if I increase my camera offset ... |
| 01:37.55 | Alpha_vst | sure you can RedWraith |
| 01:38.27 | BoltHead | uhh well basicly I think distance is not calculating the 'offset' and is between the original position and the camera eye |
| 01:39.16 | BoltHead | so if I am A units away from my unit on the XY plane and A stays the same |
| 01:39.35 | Alpha_vst | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:39.40 | BoltHead | as B increases with the Z ofsett the distance is the hypot... |
| 01:39.43 | Alpha_vst | so thats not working? |
| 01:39.57 | BoltHead | that works |
| 01:40.13 | Alpha_vst | im confused :P |
| 01:40.24 | RedWraith | But how, Alpha, how! |
| 01:40.40 | BoltHead | hold one |
| 01:40.45 | BoltHead | om* |
| 01:40.48 | Alpha_vst | http://i50.tinypic.com/24yddtd.jpg i got my blood working correctly |
| 01:40.50 | Alpha_vst | WEEE |
| 01:41.02 | Alpha_vst | now to fix it |
| 01:41.34 | RoarMan | Can't get ova how cute your map looks Alpha ^^ |
| 01:41.44 | RedWraith | Alpha's map just keeps getting better looking. |
| 01:41.53 | RoarMan | Yea man it does XD |
| 01:41.57 | Alpha_vst | thats my goal |
| 01:41.59 | RedWraith | It is quite the ridiculous. |
| 01:42.00 | Triceron | hmm, might not be as easy as I thought. If you attach another model to the photon cannon, it might mess up animations |
| 01:42.01 | RoarMan | That blood is sick. |
| 01:42.09 | BoltHead | i'll try to draw a picture... |
| 01:42.11 | RoarMan | Alpha what kind of map is that, I mean gameplay wise. |
| 01:42.13 | RedWraith | I'm not too sure about that blood... |
| 01:42.24 | RoarMan | I like it. |
| 01:42.25 | Alpha_vst | the blood needs to be changed |
| 01:42.36 | RoarMan | OK FINE TURN TAIL AGAINST ME LADS. |
| 01:42.38 | RoarMan | THAS COO |
| 01:42.40 | Alpha_vst | i dont like the texture |
| 01:42.51 | Alpha_vst | and its a horrible job |
| 01:43.04 | Alpha_vst | with my alpha on it :P |
| 01:43.18 | Alpha_vst | was a test to see how it looks and such and to get it to work |
| 01:43.46 | Alpha_vst | lots of blood will make it awesome :P |
| 01:44.07 | Triceron | buckets and buckets |
| 01:44.24 | Triceron | you should have waterfall doodads |
| 01:44.26 | Triceron | of blood |
| 01:45.11 | Alpha_vst | lol |
| 01:45.27 | Alpha_vst | when units lose life i will make blood |
| 01:45.34 | Alpha_vst | afk |
| 01:47.15 | RedWraith | I have reason to believe |
| 01:47.19 | RedWraith | this importer does not work wel... |
| 01:47.26 | RedWraith | for Starcraft 2 stuff... |
| 01:48.43 | RedWraith | It looks like super low quality |
| 01:48.43 | BoltHead | this is what i'm guessing my problem is... http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/347/cameradiagram.jpg |
| 01:48.48 | RedWraith | and even a bit buggy. |
| 01:49.12 | BoltHead | Current working theory ... |
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| 01:49.44 | BoltHead | or not working lol |
| 01:50.22 | BoltHead | does that make any since to you Alpha_vst? |
| 01:50.37 | Triceron | Redwraith, it's because you're seeing units without normal maps |
| 01:50.54 | Triceron | the sc2 ingame models ARE really low quality :P |
| 01:50.55 | RedWraith | So, there's currently no normal map support? |
| 01:51.13 | Triceron | there is in Max, but the shaders that are used for export don't let you see it |
| 01:51.21 | RedWraith | oh, okay. |
| 01:51.32 | RedWraith | So, the export isn't really ready to produce good stuff for the game, yet. :P |
| 01:51.44 | Triceron | it's technically the 'last step |
| 01:51.49 | RedWraith | except for things that don't move and don't depend on normal maps. |
| 01:52.42 | RedWraith | cause the animations were a bit screwed up too, I think. but I think that was because something that was ordinarily overlapped by the normal map wasn't or something. |
| 01:52.44 | Triceron | if you want to see normal maps, you need to hook up the textures to a new material and apply it to your model. Something like a Blinn shader would work. |
| 01:52.51 | Triceron | but I don't really know much about that in Max |
| 01:53.13 | Triceron | what I know is particle effects aren't importing/exporting |
| 01:53.23 | Triceron | so if the photon cannon was using special stuff for that, it might not work |
| 01:53.35 | Triceron | I know the Archon has issues when you import/export |
| 01:53.56 | RedWraith | yeah |
| 01:53.57 | RedWraith | probably that |
| 01:54.03 | RedWraith | the little blue glow from summoning it |
| 01:54.04 | RedWraith | stays |
| 01:54.16 | RedWraith | and it's like there's a curtain around it at the start which becomes a blue line |
| 01:54.50 | Triceron | a fake solution you could prolly do |
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| 01:54.53 | Triceron | is make an attachment |
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| 01:54.58 | Triceron | and attach to the emitter |
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| 01:55.53 | Triceron | basically export that little red diamond as a model itself |
| 01:56.04 | RedWraith | It's fine. I just wont make anything crazy until later. Is there an easy way to have two photon cannons with different textures, though? |
| 01:56.10 | RedWraith | See, that might work. |
| 01:56.20 | RedWraith | but then it'll keep the sphere in the middle |
| 01:56.21 | RedWraith | :( |
| 01:56.25 | Triceron | yes |
| 01:56.26 | Alpha_vst | back |
| 01:56.31 | Triceron | you can copy the photon cannon |
| 01:56.36 | Triceron | copy its actor/model |
| 01:56.40 | RedWraith | I mean, I could always just do add new textures, and things will be okay. |
| 01:56.43 | RedWraith | yeah? |
| 01:56.43 | Triceron | wait... |
| 01:56.46 | Triceron | that might not work... |
| 01:56.54 | Triceron | textures are tied to .m3's as far as I know |
| 01:56.59 | RedWraith | Yes. |
| 01:57.28 | Triceron | hrm, seems like the only way would be to export; which doesn't work right now. |
| 01:57.36 | RedWraith | Yes. |
| 01:57.40 | Triceron | NiN's working on an update that should be out in a few days that will support that tho |
| 01:57.47 | Triceron | hopefully it'll solve that issue |
| 01:58.00 | RedWraith | oh, so then the photon cannons will probably work in their entirity, then? |
| 01:58.07 | Triceron | possibly |
| 01:58.16 | Triceron | he said he's supporting particle emmitters and lighting |
| 01:58.21 | Alpha_vst | sweet |
| 01:58.37 | RedWraith | I'm also wondering how I can grab only part of the object, i.e. replace the sphere with a diamond. |
| 01:58.51 | Triceron | it's tricky |
| 01:59.03 | Triceron | because the photon cannon is rigged (Skinned) |
| 01:59.11 | Triceron | and if you do anything to edit geometry |
| 01:59.16 | Triceron | it affects the animations |
| 01:59.26 | RedWraith | oh, great |
| 01:59.29 | Triceron | I can do that shit in Maya no problem, but I don't know enough about Max |
| 01:59.46 | Triceron | you might be able to do it without affecting anims, but it's something I'm unsure about |
| 02:00.36 | Triceron | it could be as easy as just attaching a new model to it (two clicks) or as difficult as... reskinning the entire model (waste of time!) |
| 02:00.42 | RoarMan | Hai Triceron. |
| 02:00.44 | RoarMan | Hai RedWraith |
| 02:00.49 | RoarMan | Hai Alpha |
| 02:00.58 | RainGame | Hai RoarMan |
| 02:01.02 | RoarMan | HAI RAINGAME! |
| 02:01.03 | RoarMan | <3 |
| 02:01.06 | RoarMan | :D |
| 02:01.11 | RoarMan | Sorry I missed you boyee D: |
| 02:01.22 | RainGame | lol, i have no idea who you are, but you seemed friendly |
| 02:01.33 | RoarMan | I love men, that's all you need to know bro. |
| 02:01.45 | RoarMan | But nah I'm uber friendly ^^ |
| 02:01.46 | RainGame | awesome, wanna play come gamecube? |
| 02:01.52 | RoarMan | Brah fuck yer. |
| 02:02.00 | RoarMan | Got mah Dane Cook DVD collection up in hurrr. |
| 02:02.19 | Triceron | O_o |
| 02:02.22 | RainGame | nice, i got the axe covered... well you know |
| 02:02.50 | RoarMan | :D |
| 02:02.52 | RoarMan | Hi Triceron! |
| 02:03.23 | Triceron | hi roar |
| 02:03.33 | RoarMan | Hey man how goes the days? |
| 02:03.46 | Triceron | goes awesome. You should vote for me |
| 02:04.03 | RainGame | vote for what |
| 02:04.11 | Triceron | modelling contest |
| 02:04.13 | Triceron | sc2mapster |
| 02:04.23 | RainGame | oh yeah |
| 02:04.52 | RoarMan | Oh snap! |
| 02:04.54 | RoarMan | I'll check that out. |
| 02:05.09 | Triceron | :D |
| 02:05.32 | heysparky | see ya'll |
| 02:05.35 | *** part/#sc2mapster heysparky (~heysparky@216.40.136.42) |
| 02:05.37 | RoarMan | BYE HEYSPARKY |
| 02:05.38 | RoarMan | GOMADKWOAdkl |
| 02:05.41 | RoarMan | AWw I missed it. |
| 02:06.12 | RoarMan | Was that like a Final Fantasy theme? |
| 02:06.16 | RainGame | man its hard to stay motivated on a single map when bnet is down for so long |
| 02:06.18 | RainGame | no one to share it with |
| 02:06.33 | RedWraith | How do I get out of the mode where it gives everything's real name in the data editor? |
| 02:06.40 | RainGame | ctrl +d |
| 02:07.21 | Triceron | it was supposed to be final fantasy 13 themed |
| 02:07.29 | Triceron | and for some reason one character from ff9 |
| 02:08.10 | Triceron | tbh it's too random. I would've preferred something that could be more generally useful |
| 02:08.46 | Triceron | I don't really know what use any other people would have with a final fantasy 13 character |
| 02:10.09 | RedWraith | Hey Alpha_vst, how well does your custom interface work? is it buggy at all? |
| 02:10.28 | RoarMan | What's the ideal deimensions of a Custom Loading Screen in Sc2? |
| 02:10.28 | Alpha_vst | its nto a custom interface |
| 02:10.49 | Alpha_vst | I did a custom model for it |
| 02:11.03 | Triceron | roarman - I would figure sizes of screen settings available in SC2 |
| 02:11.07 | Alpha_vst | the center is buggy and its streching like for some reason |
| 02:11.16 | RoarMan | Triceron but which one to pick <.< |
| 02:11.30 | RoarMan | Gah I'm such a nub D: |
| 02:11.34 | Triceron | depends on what quality of pic and the filesize you're willing to go with |
| 02:11.45 | RoarMan | Aight. |
| 02:12.00 | RoarMan | Whats' the supported format for a loading screen in Sc2? |
| 02:12.01 | Triceron | I personally go with a 1024x768 |
| 02:12.06 | Triceron | tga or .dds |
| 02:12.10 | RoarMan | Ok. |
| 02:12.13 | RoarMan | Thanks Triceron. |
| 02:12.28 | Triceron | I would suggest .dds with Mipmapping turned off |
| 02:12.42 | Triceron | if you leave mipmapping on, it'll blur the texture during loading |
| 02:12.45 | RoarMan | Ooh, that sounds fancy. |
| 02:12.53 | RoarMan | Ok I'll try to keep that in mind ^^ |
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| 02:14.00 | BoltHead | LMAO i fixed it in a really messed up way lol |
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| 02:16.22 | Triceron | later all! |
| 02:16.50 | RedWraith | Later, Triceron! |
| 02:21.14 | RoarMan | PEACE |
| 02:21.15 | RoarMan | AW FUCK |
| 02:22.07 | BoltHead | ha ha =) |
| 02:24.41 | RoarMan | Hey BoltHead! |
| 02:24.54 | BoltHead | hey =) |
| 02:25.00 | RoarMan | Supsup! |
| 02:25.18 | BoltHead | not much been bitching about camera stuff all day lol |
| 02:25.48 | BoltHead | I finnially got it to function the way I want. Not really exicuted the way I want but I'm ok with that... |
| 02:25.51 | ekcolnovkol | DARKSTEEL TITAN IS AWEEEEESOMEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE |
| 02:25.56 | ekcolnovkol | goes batshit insane |
| 02:26.28 | *** join/#sc2mapster Ashamed (43adf1dc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.67.173.241.220) |
| 02:26.33 | Ashamed | ello |
| 02:26.39 | RoarMan | ekcolnovkol Magic the Gathering? |
| 02:26.40 | ekcolnovkol | are you Ashamed? |
| 02:26.41 | RoarMan | OMFG ASHAMED |
| 02:26.44 | RoarMan | I MISSDE YOU |
| 02:26.45 | RoarMan | <3 |
| 02:26.47 | ekcolnovkol | yes i play magic the gathering |
| 02:26.48 | ekcolnovkol | :O |
| 02:26.49 | Ashamed | lol |
| 02:26.51 | ekcolnovkol | but |
| 02:26.53 | RoarMan | MTG is the shit :D |
| 02:26.54 | Ashamed | are you ekco? |
| 02:26.56 | ekcolnovkol | i was talking about an item i just made |
| 02:27.00 | RoarMan | Oh cool. |
| 02:27.01 | ekcolnovkol | called Darksteel Titan |
| 02:27.04 | ekcolnovkol | it's |
| 02:27.05 | ekcolnovkol | just |
| 02:27.06 | ekcolnovkol | so sick |
| 02:27.07 | ekcolnovkol | :( |
| 02:27.11 | ekcolnovkol | i can't wait to release my map q.q |
| 02:27.12 | RoarMan | Oh right i'm thinking of Darksteel Colossus <.< |
| 02:27.13 | Ashamed | What it doo? |
| 02:27.15 | ekcolnovkol | yeah you are |
| 02:27.18 | ekcolnovkol | you will see |
| 02:27.21 | ekcolnovkol | and you will blow your brains out |
| 02:27.23 | RoarMan | Lol. |
| 02:27.24 | ekcolnovkol | o.o |
| 02:27.24 | RoarMan | I WANNA SEE! |
| 02:27.25 | RoarMan | SEND IT! |
| 02:27.25 | Alpha_vst | LOL |
| 02:27.29 | Alpha_vst | BLOW BRAINS |
| 02:27.33 | ekcolnovkol | CONFIDENTIAL NIKKA |
| 02:27.37 | Alpha_vst | fuck yeah |
| 02:27.40 | RoarMan | FUCKYOUBOYEEE |
| 02:27.45 | ekcolnovkol | ashamed |
| 02:27.48 | RoarMan | I WONT SHOW YOU MY PRO MAP THEN |
| 02:27.50 | Ashamed | sup |
| 02:27.51 | ekcolnovkol | do you played on MWS |
| 02:27.53 | RoarMan | Unless you wanna I'll link you. |
| 02:27.57 | ekcolnovkol | does anyone here play magic on MagicWorkstation |
| 02:27.59 | RoarMan | OMFG I PLAY MWS PLAY WITH ME |
| 02:28.06 | ekcolnovkol | I WILL DESTROY YOU |
| 02:28.07 | RoarMan | Tier 2? |
| 02:28.08 | ekcolnovkol | sec |
| 02:28.10 | ekcolnovkol | yes |
| 02:28.11 | ekcolnovkol | type 2 |
| 02:28.11 | RoarMan | I'm not good, I'm novice. |
| 02:28.12 | ekcolnovkol | not tier |
| 02:28.13 | ekcolnovkol | <_< |
| 02:28.13 | ekcolnovkol | oh |
| 02:28.15 | RoarMan | IM NOVICE |
| 02:28.15 | RoarMan | LOL |
| 02:28.21 | RoarMan | Kk let's roll. |
| 02:28.24 | ekcolnovkol | one sec |
| 02:28.26 | ekcolnovkol | it's on laptop |
| 02:28.27 | Ashamed | no |
| 02:28.28 | RoarMan | Np np. |
| 02:28.28 | Ashamed | what is it? |
| 02:28.30 | ekcolnovkol | with all my decks |
| 02:28.33 | RoarMan | Magic Work Station. |
| 02:28.43 | RoarMan | It let's you play Magic the Gathering online. |
| 02:29.01 | Ashamed | can you lie about the cards you have? |
| 02:29.14 | RoarMan | Yes as you have access to every card ever made. |
| 02:29.26 | Ashamed | well that sucks :* |
| 02:29.29 | Ashamed | :( |
| 02:29.36 | RoarMan | XD |
| 02:29.39 | ekcolnovkol | why? |
| 02:29.44 | ekcolnovkol | it makes you pro for the real thing |
| 02:29.49 | Ashamed | OH PRO |
| 02:29.51 | Ashamed | SUPER PRO |
| 02:29.56 | ekcolnovkol | before MWS i didn't know wtf was going on |
| 02:29.57 | Ashamed | You making magic??? for sc2 |
| 02:30.01 | ekcolnovkol | i just built random decks |
| 02:30.03 | ekcolnovkol | no |
| 02:30.05 | ekcolnovkol | <.< |
| 02:30.17 | ekcolnovkol | um |
| 02:30.22 | ekcolnovkol | just out of curiosity |
| 02:30.25 | ekcolnovkol | are you jewish? |
| 02:30.26 | Alpha_vst | i used to play magic |
| 02:30.27 | ekcolnovkol | o .o |
| 02:30.30 | Ashamed | Me? |
| 02:30.32 | ekcolnovkol | yea |
| 02:30.36 | Ashamed | no lol |
| 02:30.36 | Ashamed | why? |
| 02:30.38 | ekcolnovkol | ah |
| 02:30.38 | ekcolnovkol | k |
| 02:30.46 | Alpha_vst | people say i look jewish 0.o |
| 02:30.53 | ekcolnovkol | lol |
| 02:30.59 | Ashamed | Why??? |
| 02:30.59 | RoarMan | No. |
| 02:31.01 | RoarMan | I'm not jewish. |
| 02:31.02 | ekcolnovkol | people say i look awesome :U |
| 02:31.04 | Ashamed | I must know WHY! |
| 02:31.08 | ekcolnovkol | lol |
| 02:31.09 | ekcolnovkol | well |
| 02:31.13 | BoltHead | I played MTG too |
| 02:31.13 | RoarMan | People say I look black cause of my dark skin. |
| 02:31.17 | RoarMan | And I go "Nah." |
| 02:31.20 | Ashamed | Me too! |
| 02:31.24 | Ashamed | or Mexican |
| 02:31.27 | RoarMan | Just cause I was born in Chad don' make me black. |
| 02:31.31 | Ashamed | What |
| 02:31.32 | ekcolnovkol | in jewish culture, the big thing is for the individual to understand humility, which entails a degree of shame |
| 02:31.32 | ekcolnovkol | so |
| 02:31.33 | Ashamed | that is mah name |
| 02:31.34 | RoarMan | Nothin'. |
| 02:31.39 | BoltHead | Hey Alpha_vst |
| 02:31.44 | ekcolnovkol | since you nicked Ashamed, i just thought "maybe he's jewish" |
| 02:31.44 | Alpha_vst | yes |
| 02:31.46 | RoarMan | Lol ekco your joke is fawnny. |
| 02:31.50 | ekcolnovkol | :O |
| 02:31.50 | BoltHead | I BSed a solution to my problem... |
| 02:31.52 | ekcolnovkol | oh yeah MWS |
| 02:31.54 | RoarMan | EkCO WE GONNA MWS DO IT UP? |
| 02:31.56 | Alpha_vst | thats good |
| 02:31.57 | ekcolnovkol | YES DAMN CHILLZ |
| 02:32.05 | Alpha_vst | i saw that picture it looked confusing :P |
| 02:32.06 | ekcolnovkol | i made game called JOIN ROARMAN |
| 02:32.09 | RoarMan | Whoa nigga don't pounce on me. |
| 02:32.14 | Quartaroy | I cannot for the life of me figure out how to run my SC2 in windowed mode during a test. |
| 02:32.21 | RoarMan | Quartaroy. |
| 02:32.23 | RoarMan | Go to Preference. |
| 02:32.24 | ekcolnovkol | it will be up in a sec <_< |
| 02:32.25 | BoltHead | I created a new unit without a model and periodiclly ordered it to move to the location of the flying unit. Then I set the camera to follow the ground unit instead. |
| 02:32.47 | ekcolnovkol | i'm going to play my fun deck |
| 02:32.48 | ekcolnovkol | :D |
| 02:32.51 | RoarMan | Quartaroy File - Preference - Test Document |
| 02:32.53 | ekcolnovkol | it might piss ye off |
| 02:32.57 | Quartaroy | I've checked left and right for hidden options. I'm changed the obvious on to 'windows mode' and hit accept. It doesn't do anything but switch it back to fullscreen and leave me on base menu. |
| 02:33.01 | RoarMan | I'll get really mad. |
| 02:33.05 | ekcolnovkol | roarman |
| 02:33.05 | ekcolnovkol | join |
| 02:33.09 | ekcolnovkol | T2 ROE casual |
| 02:33.10 | ekcolnovkol | :D |
| 02:33.20 | RoarMan | That's name? |
| 02:33.20 | ekcolnovkol | are you marshes |
| 02:33.22 | ekcolnovkol | yes |
| 02:33.30 | ekcolnovkol | soup |
| 02:33.31 | Quartaroy | Woohoo! |
| 02:33.34 | Quartaroy | Roar, you're my hero. |
| 02:33.36 | ekcolnovkol | time to DESTROY |
| 02:33.49 | Quartaroy | I've been trying to change it in-game for a week now. |
| 02:33.50 | Quartaroy | lol |
| 02:34.21 | RoarMan | I can shuffle wiLol |
| 02:34.24 | RoarMan | Np Quartaroy. |
| 02:34.28 | RoarMan | I'm just po-baller. |
| 02:36.34 | ekcolnovkol | ROW ROW |
| 02:37.25 | RoarMan | Rawrwraawr! |
| 02:40.00 | Alpha_vst | GANG RAPE |
| 02:43.18 | Quartaroy | Should I import some higher quality textures for use on my map? I shrunk everything to about 20% their original size for the sake of making my map larger, the ground loses a lot of it's quality. You think better textures would fix it? |
| 02:43.41 | Alpha_vst | lol what |
| 02:44.48 | Quartaroy | It's Earth, and... well... seeing as how Thor doesn't even fit in Madagascar on a 256x256 kinda makes it unreal. So I shrunk everything for realism. :) |
| 02:46.36 | Alpha_vst | you shrunk the models? |
| 02:47.14 | Alpha_vst | no need to change the textures |
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| 02:47.44 | Quartaroy | Yessir, Shrunk all my flying vessels to 20%, now they're all little boats. ^.^ |
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| 02:49.22 | Alpha_vst | well leave the textures alone its not needed |
| 02:49.54 | Quartaroy | k |
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| 02:52.14 | Ashamed | :) |
| 03:00.38 | ekcolnovkol | i'm not Ashamed |
| 03:00.40 | RoarMan | Me and ekco had baller fun. |
| 03:00.45 | ekcolnovkol | lul |
| 03:00.48 | RoarMan | :D |
| 03:03.03 | RoarMan | ekcolnovkol does your mana pool disapear at the end of your turn and your enemies turn? |
| 03:03.09 | ekcolnovkol | yes |
| 03:03.13 | RoarMan | Ok |
| 03:03.15 | ekcolnovkol | you can float mana |
| 03:03.19 | ekcolnovkol | and you no longer take mana burn |
| 03:03.25 | ekcolnovkol | it's kinda stupid though |
| 03:03.31 | RoarMan | Float Mana? |
| 03:03.44 | ekcolnovkol | mana stays in your mana pool until the end of a turn |
| 03:03.48 | RoarMan | Kk |
| 03:03.50 | ekcolnovkol | so you can literally tap out every turn |
| 03:03.56 | ekcolnovkol | i mean |
| 03:04.05 | ekcolnovkol | every enemy's turn |
| 03:04.08 | RoarMan | Go on.. |
| 03:04.16 | ekcolnovkol | during your turn |
| 03:04.17 | ekcolnovkol | i can tap out |
| 03:04.22 | RoarMan | Oh ok. |
| 03:04.23 | ekcolnovkol | and it will be the same as if i never tapped any land |
| 03:04.28 | ekcolnovkol | because i can still use the mana |
| 03:04.38 | ekcolnovkol | and there are no consequences |
| 03:04.43 | RoarMan | Yea I get that, like when casting instants on opponents turn? |
| 03:04.46 | ekcolnovkol | idk why they took out mana burn |
| 03:04.48 | ekcolnovkol | it's so stupid |
| 03:04.48 | RoarMan | Is that a good example of that? |
| 03:04.53 | ekcolnovkol | er |
| 03:04.54 | ekcolnovkol | sure |
| 03:04.58 | RoarMan | Lol I'm os confused ^^ |
| 03:05.04 | ekcolnovkol | don't worry about it |
| 03:05.11 | ekcolnovkol | small details |
| 03:05.17 | RoarMan | But I have to I'm trying to think about Omanth and Bear Umbra together D: |
| 03:05.18 | ekcolnovkol | mills you for 45 |
| 03:05.22 | RoarMan | Loll |
| 03:05.26 | ekcolnovkol | i don't like using omnath |
| 03:05.38 | ekcolnovkol | however, omnath/burn owns me |
| 03:05.48 | ekcolnovkol | just because i don't have anything to deal with large single threats |
| 03:05.54 | RoarMan | Ah. |
| 03:06.05 | ekcolnovkol | it would get decimated by a serious deck though |
| 03:06.11 | ekcolnovkol | i don't build serious decks anymore anyway |
| 03:06.20 | RoarMan | I don't even know what that means :D |
| 03:06.20 | ekcolnovkol | since... serious = Jund anyway |
| 03:06.30 | RoarMan | So I hear on MTG forums everywhere, Jund is the shit. |
| 03:06.37 | RoarMan | Still in the dark on what they do exactly. |
| 03:06.41 | ekcolnovkol | it's the BW control of today |
| 03:06.49 | RoarMan | Oh Jund is a control deck? |
| 03:06.59 | ekcolnovkol | because the new expansions are very creature heavy, it has the tools to deal with a large variety of threats |
| 03:07.08 | RoarMan | Oh. |
| 03:07.14 | ekcolnovkol | most of which are creatures |
| 03:07.14 | RoarMan | Well this block rotation seems dull. |
| 03:07.20 | RoarMan | I likd Time Spiral and Lorwyn :D |
| 03:07.23 | ekcolnovkol | it's ok |
| 03:07.32 | RoarMan | ^^ |
| 03:07.35 | ekcolnovkol | very friendly to beefy units, as you could see from my elves |
| 03:07.38 | ekcolnovkol | ;) |
| 03:07.41 | RoarMan | GRR |
| 03:07.49 | ekcolnovkol | swings for 44 |
| 03:07.50 | RoarMan | AND IS THIS MTG SQUABBLE OR SC2MAPSTER? |
| 03:07.52 | RoarMan | WHERE MY MAPSTERS AT |
| 03:08.02 | ekcolnovkol | they're busy |
| 03:08.02 | ekcolnovkol | :O |
| 03:08.06 | RoarMan | :( |
| 03:08.09 | RoarMan | I should map too ^^ |
| 03:08.11 | RoarMan | But lazeh. |
| 03:08.12 | ekcolnovkol | i just finished the most awesome item |
| 03:08.13 | ekcolnovkol | so |
| 03:08.16 | ekcolnovkol | i took a break |
| 03:08.16 | RoarMan | :( |
| 03:08.25 | RoarMan | I finished up my Revive and Leaderboard today ^^ |
| 03:08.29 | ekcolnovkol | DARKSTEEL TITANNNNNNNNNNNNNNN |
| 03:08.30 | RoarMan | Just a matter of data editing now. |
| 03:08.35 | RoarMan | Lol I wanna see it! |
| 03:08.38 | RoarMan | Youtube video pl0x. |
| 03:08.41 | *** join/#sc2mapster ctccromer (446f31c3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.111.49.195) |
| 03:08.41 | ekcolnovkol | 2 more days until video |
| 03:08.49 | RoarMan | D; |
| 03:08.52 | ekcolnovkol | if you look up Storms of the Imperial |
| 03:08.53 | RoarMan | What kind of map are you making? |
| 03:08.55 | ekcolnovkol | you can see my alpha vid |
| 03:09.07 | ekcolnovkol | *storms of the imperial sanctum :O |
| 03:10.13 | RoarMan | Oh an AoS. |
| 03:10.21 | ekcolnovkol | but it's a good AoS :O |
| 03:10.27 | RoarMan | Mines an AoS too, but don't worry mines really silly :D |
| 03:10.33 | RoarMan | Mines more of a hero arena. |
| 03:10.43 | RoarMan | LOL I LOVE THE RELEASE DATE XD |
| 03:10.48 | ekcolnovkol | lol |
| 03:11.21 | RoarMan | I donno how to make magic decks from scratch. |
| 03:11.22 | ekcolnovkol | i will make icefrog weep blood |
| 03:11.23 | RoarMan | My brain just fizzles. |
| 03:11.24 | ekcolnovkol | ;O |
| 03:11.31 | ekcolnovkol | uh |
| 03:11.31 | ekcolnovkol | just |
| 03:11.33 | ekcolnovkol | say |
| 03:11.40 | ekcolnovkol | i want a "THIS" deck |
| 03:11.41 | RoarMan | I usually run a theme. |
| 03:11.47 | ekcolnovkol | then organize cards using search |
| 03:11.54 | RoarMan | Ok that's not right, I don't know how to make a GOOD deck from scratch. |
| 03:12.13 | ekcolnovkol | optimize draw, impact of each card, make sure your mana curve is aroun 2-3.4 |
| 03:12.24 | ekcolnovkol | depending on land count |
| 03:12.28 | ekcolnovkol | uh |
| 03:12.55 | ekcolnovkol | make sure you're neither playing cards too often without adequate draw |
| 03:13.00 | ekcolnovkol | *not playing |
| 03:13.04 | RoarMan | Mm k |
| 03:13.25 | ctccromer | does anyone know of a (free) program that video's the computer screen and can also do audio if i use a mic/headset? |
| 03:13.59 | RoarMan | No. |
| 03:14.05 | RoarMan | You could record each seperately :D |
| 03:14.07 | ekcolnovkol | yes, it's called GO DIRECTLY TO JAIL |
| 03:14.10 | RoarMan | Using fraps. |
| 03:14.11 | RoarMan | LOL |
| 03:14.21 | ekcolnovkol | aka Torrents |
| 03:14.21 | ekcolnovkol | :O |
| 03:14.35 | ctccromer | cant use torrents >.< |
| 03:14.38 | ekcolnovkol | why |
| 03:14.41 | ctccromer | dad said no to em a long time ago |
| 03:14.44 | ctccromer | and dad = computer guy |
| 03:14.51 | ctccromer | therefore there's no goin around him lol |
| 03:14.54 | ekcolnovkol | sucks for you lol |
| 03:15.07 | ctccromer | theres seriously no way? |
| 03:15.10 | ekcolnovkol | um |
| 03:15.13 | ctccromer | using a camera would look really bad |
| 03:15.21 | RoarMan | ctccromer are you Tyler? |
| 03:15.23 | ekcolnovkol | does your dad work for a software company or something |
| 03:15.25 | RoarMan | Cause Tyler has the same dad. |
| 03:15.27 | RoarMan | LOL |
| 03:15.37 | RoarMan | Why are all Computer Savy Dads opposed to Torrents? |
| 03:15.37 | ctccromer | RoarMan no, name's tucker |
| 03:15.39 | RoarMan | I don understand. |
| 03:15.40 | RoarMan | Lol |
| 03:15.45 | ekcolnovkol | also, how old are you :O |
| 03:15.52 | RoarMan | 11 |
| 03:15.53 | ctccromer | and no ekco, he works for a chemical company |
| 03:15.56 | ctccromer | fixes their comps |
| 03:15.58 | ctccromer | i'm 15 |
| 03:16.17 | ekcolnovkol | eh |
| 03:16.20 | Squeegeez | buy fraps? =/ |
| 03:16.24 | ekcolnovkol | lol @ your dad |
| 03:16.29 | ekcolnovkol | a |
| 03:16.31 | ekcolnovkol | yeah |
| 03:16.36 | RoarMan | Thats not cool brosef. |
| 03:16.39 | ctccromer | no idea what fraps is and i'm saving all my moneyfor car stuff in 4 months |
| 03:16.41 | RoarMan | But being against torrents is kinda silly <.< |
| 03:16.43 | Squeegeez | demand your dad pay for fraps or you'l resort to torrenting =P |
| 03:16.43 | ekcolnovkol | well |
| 03:16.55 | ekcolnovkol | you don't need to torrent to get a cracked version of fraps |
| 03:17.01 | ekcolnovkol | just google it and download from rapidshare |
| 03:17.02 | ctccromer | hm.. |
| 03:17.05 | ekcolnovkol | <_< |
| 03:17.08 | ekcolnovkol | BREAK THE LAW |
| 03:17.09 | ekcolnovkol | DO IT |
| 03:17.12 | ekcolnovkol | cackles |
| 03:17.16 | ctccromer | I'll talk to dad i guess |
| 03:17.21 | ekcolnovkol | to what |
| 03:17.22 | ekcolnovkol | buy fraps? |
| 03:17.23 | Squeegeez | actually that's true, there are other ways beside torrenting |
| 03:17.24 | ctccromer | wasnt sure if there were any programs thatre free |
| 03:17.28 | ekcolnovkol | nobody buys fraps |
| 03:17.32 | ekcolnovkol | well |
| 03:17.34 | ekcolnovkol | fraps is "free" |
| 03:17.35 | ekcolnovkol | :) |
| 03:17.38 | ekcolnovkol | google it |
| 03:17.49 | ekcolnovkol | well |
| 03:17.50 | Squeegeez | i know, my fraps was "free", given to me by a "friend" |
| 03:17.51 | ekcolnovkol | "google" it |
| 03:17.59 | RoarMan | I fucking DLed my fraps you queers. |
| 03:18.04 | ctccromer | but yeah, I'm almost done with the demo, and need people in another state (austin, texas of course :P) to help me revise it |
| 03:18.15 | ekcolnovkol | i don't see what your father has against "sharing" |
| 03:18.20 | ekcolnovkol | after all |
| 03:18.24 | ekcolnovkol | "sharing" is "caring" |
| 03:18.24 | ctccromer | lol |
| 03:18.26 | ekcolnovkol | ":O" |
| 03:18.31 | ctccromer | thats how i got photoshop and 3ds max 9 :P |
| 03:18.32 | Squeegeez | yeah, i bet there's a direct DL link to fraps, but your dad might be against direct DL links from sketchy sites more than torrenting ;-) |
| 03:18.42 | ctccromer | aye, he is |
| 03:18.49 | ctccromer | i'll figue somethin out |
| 03:18.53 | ctccromer | thanks anyways yall ^^; |
| 03:19.11 | ctccromer | now i just gotta wait for some guy to PM me back or another 3d modeler to be interested in helping me |
| 03:20.05 | ekcolnovkol | i miss Sqee |
| 03:20.09 | ekcolnovkol | *Squee |
| 03:20.12 | ekcolnovkol | Goblin Naboo |
| 03:20.18 | ekcolnovkol | D: |
| 03:20.24 | Squeegeez | http://www.gamecamportal.com/ |
| 03:20.31 | Squeegeez | try that ctccromer |
| 03:20.53 | RoarMan | Squee! |
| 03:21.01 | Squeegeez | ! |
| 03:21.03 | Squeegeez | where? |
| 03:21.06 | Squeegeez | =O |
| 03:21.08 | ekcolnovkol | Goblin Naboo |
| 03:21.12 | ekcolnovkol | the indestructible goblin |
| 03:21.16 | Squeegeez | i don't understand the reference >.< |
| 03:21.30 | RoarMan | MTG joke, gtfo mapster. |
| 03:21.31 | RoarMan | D: |
| 03:21.35 | ekcolnovkol | lewl |
| 03:21.38 | ctccromer | squeegeez: that's a different program right? Or a DL for fraps? xD |
| 03:21.44 | Squeegeez | http://sales.starcitygames.com/cardsearch.php?singlesearch=Squee,%20Goblin%20Nabob |
| 03:21.46 | Squeegeez | n/m, nerd =P |
| 03:21.49 | RoarMan | :P |
| 03:22.27 | Squeegeez | it's a different program, but it was suggested to me, i never tried it, but you might want to take a look into it |
| 03:22.46 | ekcolnovkol | WEAPONS READY |
| 03:22.47 | ekcolnovkol | FIRE |
| 03:22.55 | ctccromer | is it free? |
| 03:22.56 | ekcolnovkol | SHAKA-DOOM |
| 03:23.54 | Squeegeez | i think so? |
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| 03:24.15 | ctccromer | awesome thank you |
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| 03:24.20 | ctccromer | i'll take a look at it tomorrow |
| 03:24.23 | Squeegeez | not sure of it's capabilities or features / bugs, but i'm sure you can find out |
| 03:24.30 | ctccromer | aye |
| 03:24.32 | ctccromer | thank ya ^^ |
| 03:24.40 | Ashamed | my computer just powered off :( |
| 03:24.41 | ctccromer | i'm off, hopefully i'll get sleep tonight |
| 03:24.44 | ctccromer | later everyone |
| 03:24.46 | Squeegeez | see ya |
| 03:24.48 | Ashamed | Just last some unsave shiz |
| 03:25.03 | ctccromer | and thanks for al the help in the past week, i REALLY appreciate it all (dont think i'll need much more) |
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| 03:50.40 | Phaos | anyone know of a way to edit the current "custom resource" |
| 03:50.52 | Phaos | through XML or other |
| 03:51.01 | Ashamed | whats up? |
| 03:51.05 | Phaos | cos as far as I can tell there is no way in game |
| 03:51.10 | Phaos | way in editor* |
| 03:52.02 | Phaos | well I want to make a custom resource and there is already things in place to do that (for example, do to the data ed and look at "races" then edit "show resources") |
| 03:52.14 | Phaos | one of the ones you can activate is custom resource |
| 03:52.25 | Phaos | but I would like to know how to edit that, to give it a name and tooltip |
| 03:55.12 | Phaos | although I have a feeling I'll just have to wait till phase 2, as the UI pushes off to the right (off screen) to make room for it, pushing the supplies UI element out of screen :P |
| 03:57.37 | Squeegeez | if you're not using minerals, can you just convert the cutom resource into minerals? |
| 03:57.50 | Phaos | i'm usign the standard minerals |
| 03:58.00 | Squeegeez | are you using vespene? supplies? |
| 03:58.05 | Squeegeez | maybe terrazine...? |
| 03:58.08 | Phaos | think I'll just have to adhoc it until phase two |
| 03:58.11 | Phaos | naww :S |
| 03:58.17 | Phaos | it may do as a place holder |
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| 04:05.18 | RedWraith | THE DREAM POLICE |
| 04:06.42 | Azoreo | "Need More Vespene Ass" - porn industry in the world of SC2. |
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| 04:08.17 | heysparky | howdy folks |
| 04:09.01 | heysparky | wow... I just watched part of a documentary called 'The Two Escobars' about the Colombian National team in the 90's |
| 04:09.02 | heysparky | wow |
| 04:13.53 | Quartaroy | Bummer. :\ |
| 04:14.17 | Quartaroy | I can't generate an image for my map. The water is so close to the surface that my world looks like it's entirely water. |
| 04:14.32 | Quartaroy | Anyways. Anyone been looking for a detailed Earth map? |
| 04:14.38 | Quartaroy | It's terrain only. |
| 04:16.29 | ekcolnovkol | pics or it didn't happen |
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| 04:34.20 | Kaseano | hi :) I've been having problems getting certain models to work for 1styleanimations |
| 04:34.24 | Kaseano | anyone figure that out... |
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| 04:40.09 | heysparky | quiet night, keep asking |
| 04:41.12 | Kaseano | any1 know how to tint models |
| 04:41.20 | Kaseano | ohhh actor events nvm knew that :) |
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| 04:55.16 | heysparky | I suggest local tint unless you want something really dramatice |
| 04:55.18 | heysparky | -e |
| 04:56.05 | RoarMan | Hey guys |
| 04:58.17 | heysparky | howdy RM |
| 05:00.15 | Kaseano | ya heysparky I'll do that thx |
| 05:00.33 | Kaseano | is there a way to give off light from a specific location? |
| 05:02.19 | BoltHead | there are doodads that give off light... |
| 05:03.05 | Quartaroy | http://forums.sc2mapster.com/development/artist-tavern/4185-detailed-earth/ |
| 05:04.22 | Kaseano | oh nice |
| 05:04.32 | Kaseano | It seems like there'd be a way to emit light |
| 05:04.39 | Kaseano | based on all the shadow orientation etc |
| 05:04.50 | Kaseano | haven't figured out how to do it tho, like create it on an effect explosion |
| 05:04.53 | Kaseano | ... if any1 knows how.. |
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| 05:05.14 | Quartaroy | How does pathing work, Do I just dray red where I don't want anyone to walk/fly and then drop the no walk/fly marker ontop of the red zone? |
| 05:05.20 | Quartaroy | draw* |
| 05:05.54 | RodOfNOD | place it and then place a unit |
| 05:05.58 | RodOfNOD | u should figure it out :> |
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| 05:09.30 | heysparky | I hear no-fly is flaky, be warned |
| 05:09.41 | RodOfNOD | flaky what way |
| 05:09.55 | RodOfNOD | units wont path around it properly |
| 05:11.02 | Kaseano | is it possible to create a light source in sc2 for an effect? |
| 05:12.00 | heysparky | I don't know, I just heard that it was flaky, so that Quataroy wouldn't wonder if he was doing something wrong if it flaked on him |
| 05:12.05 | Kaseano | or actually any1 know what doodad gives off light? |
| 05:12.12 | heysparky | hhmm... floodlights |
| 05:12.23 | Kaseano | I'll go look at those thx :) |
| 05:12.30 | Kaseano | trying to figure out if it's the model doing it or something in sc2 |
| 05:15.50 | Kaseano | yeah the floodlight just looks like the lights are part of the model |
| 05:16.05 | Kaseano | I was hoping sc2 could do something with bright light at a point giving off a shadows or something |
| 05:16.12 | Kaseano | ah o well |
| 05:16.54 | Quartaroy | I'm not too concerned about pathing issues. There's not going to be anywhere they're going to have to cross a no-fly zone. |
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| 05:17.15 | Quartaroy | I dropped red zone... but my ship just flies right through it all. |
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| 05:18.35 | ProzaicMuze | gah, I'm gonna butt in because I'm a jerk like that, but has anyone ever experimented with returning missiles? (Like the spine crawler tentacle) |
| 05:18.41 | Quartaroy | Eww... is using that marker the only thing I can do to mark a no-fy zone? |
| 05:21.25 | ProzaicMuze | lol so nobody has any returning missile experience? |
| 05:21.37 | heysparky | nope |
| 05:22.18 | heysparky | I was trying to make the spine crawler missle NOT return (think: Pin Attack) back when the editor launched, but I couldn't get it (nor could anyone I asked) |
| 05:22.34 | ProzaicMuze | psh and to think that I help you people >:( unexperimenting bums |
| 05:22.43 | ProzaicMuze | Well I can easily make the missile not return |
| 05:22.49 | Furyhunter | Anyone know where sixen is? |
| 05:22.52 | heysparky | does the tentacle stay? |
| 05:23.00 | heysparky | say his name 3 times |
| 05:23.06 | heysparky | in the mirror |
| 05:23.28 | ProzaicMuze | However I'm currently having an issue where after it returns it pins to the air where it launched permanently until attacking again. This also prevents the "Attack End" animation from showing |
| 05:23.58 | Quartaroy | I've turned it into ground unit... it still walks right through my red-zone. |
| 05:24.01 | ProzaicMuze | As a point of reference, I've made the Uberlisk as Blizzard made it using only the data editor for an attachment tutorial, but this one part isn't working :( |
| 05:24.20 | heysparky | Quartaroy, did you change all the Ground-related stuff? |
| 05:24.26 | ProzaicMuze | @Sparky yeah, I can make it shoot the tentacle and then stay at the location you fired it to. |
| 05:24.26 | heysparky | plane and mover and all that |
| 05:24.32 | heysparky | NO |
| 05:24.34 | heysparky | WAY |
| 05:24.38 | Quartaroy | Yep. |
| 05:25.02 | Quartaroy | wait |
| 05:25.05 | Quartaroy | I missed the mover. |
| 05:25.17 | ProzaicMuze | I "think" the no way was directed at me? :S |
| 05:25.46 | heysparky | It was |
| 05:25.52 | heysparky | I was trying to do that for weeks |
| 05:26.27 | ekcolnovkol | yes you can |
| 05:26.29 | ekcolnovkol | lol |
| 05:26.35 | Quartaroy | I turned it into a ground mover and plane.... now I can't see him. |
| 05:26.38 | ekcolnovkol | use your persistents :P |
| 05:26.53 | ekcolnovkol | i did it already so don't tell me it's impossible |
| 05:27.02 | ekcolnovkol | @ proziac |
| 05:27.35 | ekcolnovkol | do you hear me? <.< |
| 05:27.37 | heysparky | Quartaroy, is it under the terrain? |
| 05:27.45 | ekcolnovkol | 8BEAMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM |
| 05:27.56 | Quartaroy | Let me double check what I set the height. |
| 05:28.16 | ProzaicMuze | well sparky, give me soem specs and I'll make you a pinning spine crawler |
| 05:28.17 | Quartaroy | yerp |
| 05:28.23 | Quartaroy | Totally -.3 underground |
| 05:28.28 | Quartaroy | Sparky, you're my hero. |
| 05:28.30 | ProzaicMuze | Hey ekco, "master of awesome" what's yoru experience with returning missiles? |
| 05:28.44 | ekcolnovkol | you mean anal? |
| 05:28.50 | ekcolnovkol | quite a bit, apparently |
| 05:28.58 | ekcolnovkol | it took me a while tho |
| 05:29.18 | ekcolnovkol | the spine crawler has a lot of subtle things you need to add for the returns to work properly |
| 05:29.41 | ekcolnovkol | your problem is probably that you didn't identify the missile in some part of (one of) the actors |
| 05:30.32 | ekcolnovkol | is your spine crawler frozen solid before the next attack? |
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| 05:30.48 | heysparky | no problem Quartaroy :D |
| 05:30.53 | ekcolnovkol | 8 BEAMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM |
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| 05:30.55 | ProzaicMuze | Erm, everyone works fine save for the spinecrawler's tip being pinned to the air. |
| 05:31.04 | Quartaroy | Weird.... some of my red zone doesn't stop him from moving through it. |
| 05:31.07 | ProzaicMuze | After each attack that is |
| 05:31.10 | Quartaroy | Any ideas what might be causing that? |
| 05:31.14 | ekcolnovkol | then you probably have a "target point" somewhere |
| 05:31.32 | ekcolnovkol | most likely in your effects |
| 05:31.51 | ProzaicMuze | nope |
| 05:31.53 | ProzaicMuze | I only have two effects |
| 05:32.00 | ProzaicMuze | Launch Missile from Caster Unit to Target Unit |
| 05:32.08 | ProzaicMuze | and Damage from Source Unit to Target Unit |
| 05:32.47 | ekcolnovkol | impact location: target unit/point |
| 05:33.03 | ekcolnovkol | Impact location (missile) target unit |
| 05:33.17 | ekcolnovkol | Launch location (missile) source unit |
| 05:33.33 | heysparky | ProzaicMuze, normal spinecrawler with a new ability, Pin: channeling, targets units, ends if the spine crawler is destroyed. Pins the target, making it imobile. For simplicity, ground units only. |
| 05:33.34 | ProzaicMuze | Missile can't come from the source unit |
| 05:33.43 | ekcolnovkol | works for me |
| 05:33.44 | ProzaicMuze | And I removed point because I don't want it firing at a point |
| 05:33.48 | ProzaicMuze | Not in the way I'm using it |
| 05:33.57 | ekcolnovkol | check your actors |
| 05:33.58 | ProzaicMuze | I'm creating the Uberlisk the right way as per Blizzards specs for a tutorial |
| 05:34.08 | ekcolnovkol | i'm pretty sure your actor file is missing a change |
| 05:34.27 | ProzaicMuze | Thus I have an attachment that uses Site Operations to fire the missile from the actor as opposed to the ultralisk |
| 05:34.31 | ProzaicMuze | That's why I have caster |
| 05:34.36 | ProzaicMuze | I've actually tried several variations |
| 05:34.56 | ProzaicMuze | UnitDeath, WeaponStop, MoverReturn, MissileTentacleReturn etc |
| 05:35.21 | ProzaicMuze | Nothing has forced the missile actor to be destroyed upon reaching it's launch site (A custom made Site) |
| 05:35.47 | ProzaicMuze | Thus it fires properly and the Attack animation plays, but the Attack End doesn't play and the missile doesn't destroy itself. |
| 05:36.08 | heysparky | link to Blizzard tutorial specs? |
| 05:36.22 | Quartaroy | Is there an easier way to keep my ship in the ocean? I've red-zoned every bit of land I see, but he still moves through most areas. Specifically ALL of asia and spain that I can find right now. |
| 05:36.50 | ProzaicMuze | @Sparky, is it from a structure or unit and is it a weapon attack or an ability? |
| 05:36.58 | ProzaicMuze | Tutorial specs? |
| 05:37.06 | ProzaicMuze | no, no I'm MAKING a tutorial |
| 05:37.20 | ProzaicMuze | There are a lot of REALLY bad uberlisk tutorials that don't make the actual uberlisk |
| 05:37.51 | ProzaicMuze | I've made the correct uberlisk with the 6 spine crawlers in the right spots. However, I've just got one issue with the tentacle's missile not destroying upon return :( |
| 05:38.28 | ProzaicMuze | Ekco, how many different missile related destroy events do you know of? |
| 05:38.57 | ekcolnovkol | not sure |
| 05:39.01 | ekcolnovkol | i'd have to look back into it |
| 05:39.28 | ekcolnovkol | i did my redesign of neural parasite 3 days ago |
| 05:42.55 | ProzaicMuze | Did you use signals or toss 'em? |
| 05:43.03 | ekcolnovkol | signals? |
| 05:43.18 | heysparky | ProzaicMuze, it's from the spine crawler... so... structure? |
| 05:43.31 | ProzaicMuze | When the tentacle returns you can have it send a signal to its referenced ::supporter |
| 05:43.52 | ProzaicMuze | Then on that ::supporter's actor you can have it initiate actions based on received signals |
| 05:43.56 | heysparky | and what did you mean by '01per Blizzards specs for a tutorial' |
| 05:44.07 | ProzaicMuze | The one in question being "Tentacleretracted" |
| 05:44.26 | ProzaicMuze | As in Blizzard had a demonstration of the original uberlisk |
| 05:44.34 | ProzaicMuze | it had 6 spine crawlers on it's head. |
| 05:44.40 | ProzaicMuze | I'm making a tutorial on how to make that |
| 05:45.06 | ProzaicMuze | All other tutorials use coding or triggers (poorly) or random attachment points other than what blizzard used for their's |
| 05:45.45 | ProzaicMuze | Not to mention they have a lot of uneccessary events in their actors. So i'm making a better tutorial using blizzards ACTUAL uberlisk design rather than a gimmick |
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| 05:47.57 | heysparky | ah, gotcha |
| 05:52.15 | RodOfNOD | Quartaroy use the air blocker not the red shit |
| 05:55.14 | BoltHead | Hey guys... Unit Height in game is the height above the terrain. Is there a way to get a units height unrelated to the terrain? Like if you wanted to use the height to determan if they have walked into water or up a hill/cliff? |
| 05:57.18 | RodOfNOD | hehe |
| 05:58.15 | RodOfNOD | i doubt it but id like to know the same thing |
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| 05:59.17 | Quartaroy | Spamming air blocker is tedious, but may be my only option, RodOfNOD |
| 05:59.47 | RodOfNOD | ya |
| 05:59.53 | RodOfNOD | what im gonna have to do for my risk map atm |
| 06:00.09 | RodOfNOD | but pathing will fuck up if u try and send shit around a peninsula |
| 06:00.15 | BoltHead | you made the risk map? or your making A risk map...? |
| 06:00.24 | RodOfNOD | i made risk devolution |
| 06:00.36 | RodOfNOD | i will be remaking it for sc2 |
| 06:00.41 | BoltHead | I played the Europe Risk for SC2 |
| 06:00.46 | BoltHead | before bnet went down |
| 06:00.49 | RodOfNOD | if u mean risk revulsion |
| 06:00.58 | RodOfNOD | he based that entire map on my original wc3 map |
| 06:01.01 | BoltHead | yeah not sure of the fule title lol |
| 06:01.17 | BoltHead | oh well thats cool, I thought it was interesting |
| 06:01.33 | BoltHead | kinda hard to follow |
| 06:01.51 | RodOfNOD | well if u have ever played risk on wc3 its the standard game |
| 06:01.52 | BoltHead | I wonder if there is better ways to implement the UI... |
| 06:01.58 | RodOfNOD | ui for what |
| 06:02.18 | BoltHead | like spawning units and soforth |
| 06:02.34 | RodOfNOD | well he attempted to emulate what i had done |
| 06:02.37 | BoltHead | for war3 it was actually turnbased and dice roll? |
| 06:02.39 | RodOfNOD | but he didnt do a great job of it |
| 06:02.42 | RodOfNOD | no |
| 06:02.49 | RodOfNOD | people dont like turn based |
| 06:02.55 | BoltHead | thats what I interpret as "standard game" |
| 06:02.59 | BoltHead | yeah of course |
| 06:03.06 | RodOfNOD | well standard for wc3 |
| 06:03.10 | Quartaroy | Did you get my link, NOD? |
| 06:03.13 | RodOfNOD | is similar to what u saw |
| 06:03.16 | RodOfNOD | i didnt |
| 06:03.29 | Quartaroy | If you don't have a sexy earth map, I just finished a sexy one you can mod all ye want. |
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| 06:03.50 | RodOfNOD | fun |
| 06:04.03 | RodOfNOD | i made my maps by taking a model that was a tga |
| 06:04.08 | RodOfNOD | and then terraining under it |
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| 06:04.21 | RodOfNOD | hard tedious but best way to get accuracy |
| 06:04.49 | RodOfNOD | i hope blizz adds true water support for release |
| 06:06.51 | RodOfNOD | speaking of risk: if you havent seen this guy he is hilarious: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAOLOGGftTY |
| 06:07.12 | RodOfNOD | "Hilter never played risk when he was a kid" |
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| 06:07.56 | ekcolnovkol | oh i remember eddie |
| 06:08.26 | RodOfNOD | his shit is so hilarious sometimes |
| 06:09.07 | heysparky | lol... Blades of Glory "...ice-devouring sex tornado.' |
| 06:10.48 | heysparky | Eddie Izzard is my hero |
| 06:11.11 | heysparky | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sv5iEK-IEzw |
| 06:11.12 | RodOfNOD | hehe |
| 06:12.00 | Repo | 10yabot: 03xorpwnz * r59 YABOT (6 files in 3 directories): [1] Fixed a problem with the walloff detecction trigger |
| 06:12.00 | BoltHead | I found that you can get the 'height type' of a point so far... |
| 06:12.01 | Repo | [2] Attack wave units are now owned by player 3 to avoid food problems for computer |
| 06:12.02 | Repo | [3] 4th and 5th attack waves are now cleared properly on new build selection |
| 06:12.14 | BoltHead | air ground or glide... |
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| 06:13.34 | ProzaicMuze | What the. . . so do Returning Missiles not destroy their units when they reach their return site? Since I just realized that my animations are still playing because the actual unit isn't being destroyed as opposed to the animation. |
| 06:15.06 | RodOfNOD | heysparky if you like brits have you seen this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qffCXkhodks&feature=related ? |
| 06:15.11 | heysparky | I just kinda assumed that the spine crawler never destroyed the missle |
| 06:15.50 | BoltHead | how can a point face an angle? I don't understand that geometricly.... |
| 06:16.39 | RodOfNOD | omg this skit is so damn hilarious |
| 06:16.48 | RodOfNOD | has anybody seen my prick! |
| 06:16.50 | RodOfNOD | lol |
| 06:21.03 | heysparky | Pete and Brian, Two Guys Who Spend Too Much Time Together |
| 06:21.04 | heysparky | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4WRySFLFmw |
| 06:21.54 | heysparky | Bolt, a point is given a facing so you can use the facing if you want |
| 06:24.33 | BoltHead | RodofNOD you can set a Real to the Ground height of a Point (Height at Point) |
| 06:26.24 | BoltHead | So if you want the world Z of a point not level with the terrain you can Add the "Height of Point" + "Height at Point" |
| 06:26.41 | RodOfNOD | ah ha |
| 06:27.24 | RodOfNOD | i dont get the vectors in GE either |
| 06:27.55 | BoltHead | I suppose you could use that to make a bridge that you can both walk over and under. *i'm going to try this now* |
| 06:30.34 | RodOfNOD | i dont see height of point but i do see height of region |
| 06:31.14 | RodOfNOD | did u mean height of unit? |
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| 06:38.51 | BoltHead | no sec i'll locate it for you |
| 06:39.56 | BoltHead | When you need a Real... Enviroment - Height AT Point |
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| 06:40.32 | BoltHead | easy way to look for it is to set a varable to that value |
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| 06:50.12 | RodOfNOD | no u said height of point |
| 06:50.16 | RodOfNOD | i found at |
| 06:50.33 | RodOfNOD | <BoltHead> So if you want the world Z of a point not level with the terrain you can Add the "Height of Point" + "Height at Point" |
| 06:51.52 | RodOfNOD | 2 great songs one package! |
| 06:51.53 | RodOfNOD | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_OOUY1Z_XOQ&feature=related |
| 06:57.05 | BoltHead | yeah you n eed them both because Height at Point gives you the height of the terrain. If the point is not level with the terrain you need to add the differance which is "Height of Point" |
| 07:05.51 | RodOfNOD | hmm ty |
| 07:05.56 | RodOfNOD | how are u using that? |
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| 07:09.06 | BoltHead | i'm still working on that ha ha |
| 07:09.26 | BoltHead | Trying to make it so a unit could basicly walk down a ramp but remain at the same height |
| 07:09.38 | BoltHead | I don't know if i can do it without a periodic sadly |
| 07:09.53 | BoltHead | unless I do SC1 style location hopping |
| 07:11.45 | ProzaicMuze | ffs this actor just won't die! |
| 07:12.40 | Quartaroy | He must be using a stunt double. |
| 07:12.55 | ProzaicMuze | he cheats :( |
| 07:13.06 | Quartaroy | Power Overwhelm much? |
| 07:13.16 | ProzaicMuze | I have him being destroyed a dozen different ways and he still just floats there in the air after attacking :( |
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| 07:16.16 | ProzaicMuze | I should go look at porn for an hour to make my editor jealous so that it'll do what I want it to. |
| 07:17.32 | RodOfNOD | great movie song... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evL2sPk8eeY |
| 07:17.42 | RodOfNOD | lol ProzaicMuze |
| 07:17.48 | RodOfNOD | if only that reallty worked |
| 07:17.53 | ProzaicMuze | no kiddin' :( |
| 07:18.21 | ProzaicMuze | I don't even understand why it's just floating there either :( |
| 07:18.46 | P_R_Deltoid | why is it that the video with "realistic jump physics" shows a unit changing direction in mid air |
| 07:19.03 | ProzaicMuze | Because in real life, everyone can double jump |
| 07:19.56 | P_R_Deltoid | alright, thanks |
| 07:20.07 | RodOfNOD | because that unit is using the force |
| 07:20.12 | RodOfNOD | and with the force all is possible |
| 07:20.46 | ProzaicMuze | >:( |
| 07:21.05 | ProzaicMuze | @P_R_Deltoid I actually didn't notice a bi-direction jump, so I can't say much lol |
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| 07:23.33 | Kaseano | hi :) I have a flash grenade type thing |
| 07:23.46 | Kaseano | cant figure out how to get the screen white tho |
| 07:23.59 | Kaseano | tried lighting but it only seems to b possible globally |
| 07:24.05 | Kaseano | cameras dont let you modify anything |
| 07:24.21 | Kaseano | I remember it used to be pretty easy in war3, any1 have any ideas |
| 07:24.43 | Squeegeez | set an image display, just make a white tga or something |
| 07:25.39 | Squeegeez | not sure of the best way to display it, but maybe just make a text tag, change background size, attach it to the player's camera, and tune the opacity over time, |
| 07:26.10 | Squeegeez | i don't know if you can attach it to the camera* |
| 07:28.13 | Squeegeez | Kaseano, actually a dialog would probably be easier |
| 07:31.12 | ProzaicMuze | Alright, here's the deal. The data editor has finally presented a problem I haven't been able to fix on my own. So here's a picture: http://img821.imageshack.us/img821/4545/64885099.jpg (Fix it naow!) |
| 07:31.30 | Squeegeez | basic unedited triggers, because i'm bored =P 1. Dialog - Create a Modal dialog of size (500, 400) at (0, 0) relative to Center of screen 2. Dialog - Create an Image for Dialog (Last created dialog) 3. Dialog - Set the background image of Dialog to Image 4. Dialog - Show (Last created dialog) for (All players) |
| 07:31.32 | ProzaicMuze | Info: Tentacle attacks but pins itself to the air upon returning until it attacks again. |
| 07:31.50 | BoltHead | Well RodofNOD ... It works except it isn't very smooth. His height looks broken as he enters and leaves the bridge from the cliff. And also there is pathing issues to ensure that he doesn't go from under the bridge to top or vice versa |
| 07:32.03 | ProzaicMuze | Incentive: fix the problem and I'll have an in-depth attachments tutorial posted by the end of the day. |
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| 07:32.55 | Squeegeez | hmmm.... i just followed the uberlisk guide and it worked fine |
| 07:33.18 | ProzaicMuze | lol, whatever uberlisk guide you followed is horrible and it doesn't create the actual uberlisk. |
| 07:33.34 | ProzaicMuze | It also has unneccessary events in it and erroneous attachments |
| 07:34.28 | P_R_Deltoid | ProzaicMuze, when he selects a single baneling, he move it back and forth in midair |
| 07:34.44 | P_R_Deltoid | which makes me think it doesn't use actual physics, and instead just moves the unit in a jumping motion |
| 07:35.32 | ProzaicMuze | Ah, well that's likely because he doesn't have locked motion. If he made the ability move the unit in the direction its facing, it'd probably fix that. |
| 07:35.36 | Squeegeez | meh, i wasn't looking for it to be perfect, i was just learning, which i did =) |
| 07:35.41 | ProzaicMuze | Instead they just jump up and you move it in a direction. |
| 07:36.20 | ProzaicMuze | @Squeegeez and you also learned some things that were incorrect which could cause problems down the road, but yeh don't know it yet until I post my attachments tutorial. |
| 07:37.27 | Squeegeez | from the Uberlisk thread: Also I figured out my issues with the tentacles not shooting out. Had to do with my UltraliskRangeLMWeapon Actors and an Event I was missing. This however had caused a new problem. The Tentacles don't seem to fully retract back after they attack and nothing else is around to attack. Think this is a range or timing setting I need to track down. |
| 07:37.40 | Squeegeez | maybe ask mrm3fan? |
| 07:38.18 | ProzaicMuze | If that's his post, then it sounds like he has the same problem |
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| 07:38.28 | Squeegeez | he had* the same problem |
| 07:38.32 | ProzaicMuze | Link it then |
| 07:38.33 | Squeegeez | then he finished his guide ;-) |
| 07:38.35 | ProzaicMuze | I'll take a look |
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| 07:38.54 | Squeegeez | http://forums.sc2mapster.com/development/tutorials/326-xml-how-to-uberlisk/?post=20 |
| 07:39.12 | RodOfNOD | well timne for zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz but i leave you with: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sm-Vh3j8sys&feature=related |
| 07:39.27 | Squeegeez | that's his problem, not sure if the solution's there too though |
| 07:39.57 | Squeegeez | you should download his guide and specifically look for the "tentacle retraction" stuff in there |
| 07:40.35 | Kaseano | I'll try those thx Squeegeez |
| 07:40.38 | Kaseano | the tga |
| 07:40.39 | ProzaicMuze | I actually already have that guide |
| 07:40.44 | Kaseano | what'd you mean a dialog? |
| 07:40.44 | ProzaicMuze | It has nothing that helps |
| 07:40.45 | Squeegeez | yeah np Kas |
| 07:40.45 | BoltHead | how do you change data editor unit properties with triggers? |
| 07:40.52 | ProzaicMuze | It's also how I know his guide is sketchy |
| 07:40.57 | Squeegeez | do you know what dialogs are? they're very useful |
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| 07:41.05 | Kaseano | just so surprised that dont have a white mask or something i can fade in/out of |
| 07:41.24 | Kaseano | I figured they were those menus that you choose stuff from |
| 07:41.25 | Squeegeez | i know, maybe a cinematic type trigger does that...? |
| 07:41.34 | Kaseano | yeah I'll look more into cinematics |
| 07:41.42 | Kaseano | they have fade in/out, guessing that goes to black tho |
| 07:41.45 | Squeegeez | play around with dialogs, they're great for UI stuff |
| 07:41.54 | Kaseano | ok |
| 07:41.59 | Kaseano | thx Squeegeez |
| 07:42.05 | Squeegeez | it does, although i saw somewhere it went to white |
| 07:42.10 | Squeegeez | i can track down the map if you want? |
| 07:42.37 | Squeegeez | n/m, it's right in this trigger |
| 07:42.40 | Squeegeez | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:42.41 | Kaseano | Oh nvm it's |
| 07:42.42 | Kaseano | yeah |
| 07:42.43 | Kaseano | haha |
| 07:42.49 | Kaseano | just pulled that up too, nice haha |
| 07:42.49 | Squeegeez | change the % colours (RGB) |
| 07:42.58 | Kaseano | thx |
| 07:44.21 | Squeegeez | i wonder how good of a flashbang ringing sound you could make in the sound editor stuff... hmm..... |
| 07:47.00 | Kaseano | duno :) |
| 07:47.12 | Kaseano | the fade in/out doesn't let me choose the player ? Maybe it's only players in cinematic mode ? |
| 07:48.31 | Squeegeez | ProzaicMuze, he specifically went over the prolem later in the topic: http://forums.sc2mapster.com/development/tutorials/326-xml-how-to-uberlisk/?post=40 |
| 07:48.56 | Squeegeez | oh, hmm... |
| 07:49.42 | Squeegeez | you might have to revert to my first suggestion Kaseano |
| 07:51.02 | BoltHead | is there a way to make a unit a flying type with a trigger? |
| 07:52.17 | Squeegeez | probably with an actor message bolthead |
| 07:53.00 | ProzaicMuze | @Squeegeez that's actually not the problem and after looking at that he was talking about a different issue that I know how to fix (but never had). His tentacle was attacking and getting start at the attacked target as opposed to the spine crawler. |
| 07:53.15 | BoltHead | i am not familer with those how do I use actor message?... |
| 07:53.17 | ProzaicMuze | Those events are what allow the tentacle to return from the attacked target. |
| 07:53.37 | ProzaicMuze | getting stuck* |
| 07:54.02 | ProzaicMuze | In reading through the entire thread he actually hasn't experienced the problem I'm having. |
| 07:54.15 | Kaseano | k |
| 07:54.19 | Kaseano | thx :) |
| 07:56.14 | Squeegeez | oh =/ |
| 07:56.33 | Squeegeez | i'm not familiar with actor messages either, i just know that's how you'd probably do it |
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| 08:02.18 | Squeegeez | anyone familiar with actor messages? Any tips on how to use them? |
| 08:02.36 | ProzaicMuze | in the data editor? |
| 08:06.05 | Squeegeez | well, from trigger editor TO data editor |
| 08:06.32 | BoltHead | I'm not familer with them without triggers ither lol |
| 08:06.55 | BoltHead | do you mean Actor Method? |
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| 08:07.19 | Squeegeez | like is there any sure fire way to change anything in the data editor via a trigger? Like in this specified "field" change the "data" to... |
| 08:07.51 | ProzaicMuze | You can definitely change things with triggers, however I have zero experience with triggers. I do everything in the data editro atm. |
| 08:08.25 | Squeegeez | i do most of my stuff through triggers =P |
| 08:09.55 | BoltHead | oh i see it now.. interesting |
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| 08:11.16 | Repo | New map: http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/orbital-crunch/. Orbital Crunch. Locklyve (Manager/Author). Approved by grum. |
| 08:11.21 | Repo | New asset: http://www.sc2mapster.com/assets/unused-hidden-tileset-textures/. Unused/hidden tileset textures. Tolkfan (Manager/Author). Approved by grum. |
| 08:11.25 | Repo | New map: http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/timestoppers/. Timestoppers. ArcadeRenegade (Manager/Author). Approved by grum. |
| 08:13.10 | ProzaicMuze | lol seriously. . . that's the problem? |
| 08:13.22 | ProzaicMuze | I solved my problem. . . stupid. . . what a serious limitation on Blizzard's part |
| 08:13.46 | ProzaicMuze | You can have an actor send a single to another actor when it [insert something] |
| 08:13.58 | ProzaicMuze | Then you can go to the other actor and have it do something when it receives that signal. |
| 08:14.39 | ProzaicMuze | Currently, you can't actually tell the receiving actor to do anything with signals nor can you specify what signal to receive. The ONLY way to use signals is to duplicate a unit with a pre-existing signal and you MUST use the same signal name. |
| 08:14.51 | ProzaicMuze | I changed the signal name to fit into the names of my actors (an organizational habit) |
| 08:15.12 | ProzaicMuze | Thus it wasn't receiving the signal and it wasn't able to shoot. Lame >:( |
| 08:15.30 | Grum | that restriction makes no sense |
| 08:15.34 | ProzaicMuze | No kiddin' |
| 08:15.43 | Grum | i'm quite sure you might have missed something else which caused it to not work |
| 08:15.51 | ProzaicMuze | Nope, not at all |
| 08:16.00 | ProzaicMuze | I changed the name back and bam, it worked |
| 08:16.05 | Grum | iirc you cannot create all textual constructs from the data editor, some of which might be needed to get signals to work |
| 08:16.23 | ProzaicMuze | Let me rephrase |
| 08:16.29 | ProzaicMuze | Signals as follows: |
| 08:16.40 | Grum | i know that the placement of a refinery/gasextractor etc uses signals |
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| 08:16.53 | Grum | they signal the underlying actor of the gas to hide |
| 08:16.57 | ProzaicMuze | Event: Signal.[Unit].[SignalName] |
| 08:17.18 | ProzaicMuze | When you create a new signal event, the ONLY option available for the signalname is none |
| 08:17.54 | ProzaicMuze | So you can't actually create custom signals with differnt names, you have to find an actor that already has a signal built in. And even when you go to that specific event, if you click on the subname, it shows none yet it has the SubName in the event |
| 08:18.00 | Grum | all the signals in the existing xml are like: Signal.*.TerranLarge |
| 08:18.27 | ProzaicMuze | So you have Signal.*.SignalName but the Msg Type: Signal, Unit Type: None and SubName: None (this is where SignalName should be) |
| 08:18.46 | Grum | yes, so the editor doesnt allow you to create: Signal.*.TerranLarge |
| 08:18.55 | Squeegeez | can you get around it by using "show raw data" and manually entering a name? |
| 08:19.03 | Grum | should be able to yes |
| 08:19.16 | Grum | or save the map, open it in a mpq editor, fix up the generated xml and load it again |
| 08:20.02 | ProzaicMuze | Yes, but the point is it prevents you from using the existing system as it was meant to be used |
| 08:20.10 | ProzaicMuze | You have to work around a problem Blizzard shouldn't have put in there. |
| 08:20.31 | Grum | as i just said, the editor cannot create each existing xml construct as of now |
| 08:20.39 | Grum | and that is really annoying :) |
| 08:20.58 | Grum | but it also shows the editor was build after the game xml was created |
| 08:21.16 | Grum | and there is also proof the xml is edited by hand |
| 08:21.26 | ProzaicMuze | lol which is why I think it is so stupid that THAT was the reason my actors weren't working :( |
| 08:21.27 | Grum | (there is a typo in a key somewhere :D) |
| 08:21.30 | ProzaicMuze | Because I didn't know XML |
| 08:21.54 | ProzaicMuze | But I can use Ctrl + D to manually enter the signal name I want? |
| 08:22.09 | Grum | i think you should be able to, havent done it myself |
| 08:22.28 | ProzaicMuze | mmk, I'll go back to the backup copy and see if I can get it to work with ym custom signal names using raw data view |
| 08:22.39 | ProzaicMuze | If it works, cool beans. I'll have to mention that in the tutorial rofl |
| 08:23.07 | Grum | well this should be mentioned somewhere |
| 08:23.18 | Grum | i think it already has been mentioned in the first 1-2 weeks we had the editor |
| 08:23.19 | Grum | but yet to be fixed |
| 08:23.46 | ProzaicMuze | I've only recently begun visiting the site, so I wouldn't have known :( |
| 08:24.06 | Squeegeez | grum, do you know how to have a trigger change a data editor value? Like send actor message change the unit's actor's plane array to air? |
| 08:24.26 | Grum | Squeegeez: no sorry :( |
| 08:24.41 | Grum | but try and look at the Graviton beam of a ... meh lost the name |
| 08:24.44 | Grum | oh ! phoenix |
| 08:24.48 | Grum | it does just that iirc |
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| 08:24.57 | Grum | it lifts the unit and then air units can attack it |
| 08:24.59 | Squeegeez | hmmm... i need to learn the GE programming language or something =/ |
| 08:25.07 | onetwo | na |
| 08:25.21 | Grum | really not much use to learn GE tbh |
| 08:25.29 | Grum | unless you plan on making libraries |
| 08:26.48 | BoltHead | funny i can get the actor message sthat I don't need to work to work... |
| 08:27.10 | Grum | that interface is not really effective :( |
| 08:28.48 | Squeegeez | I'm looking in the ability section, gravitron beam, and i can't find how it does what it does, am i looking in the wrong place? |
| 08:30.01 | BoltHead | onetwo have you worked with Actor Messages before? |
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| 08:30.01 | Grum | cant be of much help i'm afraid :( |
| 08:30.28 | Grum | Squeegeez: iirc it should be a behavior |
| 08:31.00 | ProzaicMuze | @Grum yep using raw data view allowed me to enter my custom signals and it worked. |
| 08:31.01 | onetwo | nope |
| 08:31.06 | Squeegeez | currently looking in effects, i'll try behaviours next |
| 08:31.06 | onetwo | ah |
| 08:31.08 | onetwo | thats a good point |
| 08:31.20 | Grum | Squeegeez: "GravitonBeamHeight" <-- that should be it |
| 08:31.39 | Grum | it has a 'PlaneDelta' modification which does: Ground -1; Air 1 |
| 08:33.33 | Squeegeez | i see it, thanks |
| 08:34.48 | Squeegeez | so BoltHead, copy the Gravitron beam behaviour, edit what you need, then get a trigger to add the behaviour |
| 08:35.30 | BoltHead | whats gravitron beam ? |
| 08:35.41 | Grum | the 'hold a unit in the air' beam of a protoss phoenix |
| 08:35.56 | BoltHead | oh thats right |
| 08:36.20 | Grum | one of the more complex things ingame atm :) |
| 08:36.29 | Helral | hey all |
| 08:36.49 | BoltHead | Well I don't get why the actor message "Set Z" doesn't work |
| 08:37.15 | Squeegeez | that probably changes it's height |
| 08:37.26 | BoltHead | say it sets the absolute height by the Z paramiter |
| 08:37.40 | Squeegeez | is that all you wanted to do? change it's heaight? Or make it be ablt o go up cliffs as well, and be targetted by AA? |
| 08:37.45 | BoltHead | yeah thats exactly what I want but it doesn't work for some reason |
| 08:37.58 | onetwo | ProzaicMuze |
| 08:38.03 | onetwo | im thinking of making a mana shield ability |
| 08:38.05 | onetwo | for my mage hero |
| 08:38.10 | Squeegeez | you can't say "yes" to a multi-question =P |
| 08:38.10 | onetwo | how do you think it should work |
| 08:38.19 | BoltHead | I want to give it an absolute height so when it goes up and down cliffs or hills it doesn't move up or down with the terrain |
| 08:38.21 | onetwo | toggle behavior on/off, and behavior will be buff with damage response |
| 08:38.25 | onetwo | that drains mana, but adds hp? |
| 08:38.37 | BoltHead | I got a periodic event simulation |
| 08:38.42 | BoltHead | but it doesn't look good |
| 08:39.05 | Squeegeez | hmm...... yeah maybe there's something that sets a flight ceiling? or unit height cap? |
| 08:39.31 | Helral | onetwo: modify mana to also be used as shield? |
| 08:39.43 | BoltHead | well if you use Set Unit Height.... it is referanced from the ground |
| 08:39.46 | onetwo | Helral |
| 08:39.47 | onetwo | ? |
| 08:39.57 | onetwo | like WoW's is hwo i want it |
| 08:39.58 | onetwo | how |
| 08:40.04 | onetwo | Absorbs 120 damage, draining mana instead. Drains $e mana per damage absorbed. Lasts 60 seconds. |
| 08:40.13 | Helral | hmmmm |
| 08:40.15 | onetwo | mine is unlimited though |
| 08:40.19 | onetwo | just drains mana per hit |
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| 08:40.27 | BoltHead | ohhh I get your ceiling idea... |
| 08:40.41 | ProzaicMuze | @onetwo lol sorry, was afk, let me real real quick |
| 08:40.42 | BoltHead | I don't belive there is i've had some units pretty high |
| 08:41.28 | ProzaicMuze | read real* even |
| 08:41.33 | BoltHead | or if there is it is way higher than any thing would be by default |
| 08:41.45 | Grum | iirc there is no 'real limit' of height |
| 08:41.53 | Grum | but you will go out of view/range of the camera |
| 08:41.54 | ProzaicMuze | So you want to put up a buff that negates damage while active and drains X damage per hit until 120damage has been metered out? |
| 08:42.08 | ProzaicMuze | X energy* sorry lol |
| 08:42.11 | BoltHead | yeah thats why i'm saying I had my unit pretty high |
| 08:42.40 | Squeegeez | i'm thinking an invisible oversized blocking unit, that you can stretch over the map |
| 08:42.44 | BoltHead | i saw the ground boundries that is displayed under a map and saw sky below it |
| 08:42.47 | Grum | <onetwo> Absorbs 120 damage, draining mana instead. Drains $e mana per damage absorbed. Lasts 60 seconds. <-- doesnt this simply mean the 'mana' is being used as a protoss shield? |
| 08:43.13 | ProzaicMuze | Sounds like it, but it doesn't go 1:1 |
| 08:43.31 | Squeegeez | what blocks air units? |
| 08:43.42 | BoltHead | height wise? |
| 08:43.43 | Squeegeez | can you set an air unit to be blocked by certain things? |
| 08:43.52 | ProzaicMuze | air pathing blockers |
| 08:44.02 | BoltHead | air pathing blocks it X,Y |
| 08:44.03 | ProzaicMuze | I think they're called no fly zones |
| 08:44.10 | Squeegeez | just anything-wise. Like does a floating barracks block a pheonix from flying through it? does anything block an air unit? |
| 08:44.17 | ProzaicMuze | no |
| 08:44.18 | BoltHead | were talking Z direction |
| 08:44.19 | onetwo | yeah i want a buff to be on that drains mana instead of hp on hit |
| 08:44.20 | ProzaicMuze | they can fly into eachother |
| 08:44.25 | onetwo | warcraft 3 had the spell |
| 08:44.28 | onetwo | so i imagine its doable |
| 08:44.30 | ProzaicMuze | and then once stopped they spread out based on their separation radius |
| 08:44.34 | onetwo | if its possible to have a cap damage too thatd be good |
| 08:44.35 | Squeegeez | nah, you need a 3d blocker |
| 08:44.45 | BoltHead | I'm pretty sure unit height and fly height are differant too... |
| 08:44.52 | BoltHead | infact i'm sure of it |
| 08:45.37 | BoltHead | ... maybe lmao |
| 08:45.50 | ProzaicMuze | @onetwo let me look at behaviors for a sec and I'll let you know about that |
| 08:45.55 | Helral | onetwo: FieldUnknown Behavior |
| 08:45.55 | Helral | Combat - Damage Response <-- maytbe changing some settings for that list |
| 08:46.06 | Helral | it's in the buff behaviors. |
| 08:46.31 | Helral | make it cost negative health and positive mana or something ;p |
| 08:46.38 | onetwo | yeah thats my plan |
| 08:46.40 | onetwo | but if you die |
| 08:46.43 | Squeegeez | i think i found it! |
| 08:46.45 | onetwo | itll suck |
| 08:46.46 | BoltHead | yeah cause when you have a fly height you see the little green selection line going down to the ground |
| 08:46.49 | onetwo | cause the hp is added after |
| 08:46.58 | Squeegeez | BoltHead, i found a unit flag that says "ignore terrainheight" |
| 08:46.59 | BoltHead | when you only modify unit height that line isn't there |
| 08:47.08 | BoltHead | lmao... |
| 08:47.24 | BoltHead | i'll check it out might work for the other map I was doing |
| 08:48.29 | ProzaicMuze | @onetwo you can put "Vital Leeched from damage taken" in a buff's modifactions |
| 08:48.48 | ProzaicMuze | you can then determine how much each kind leeches |
| 08:49.00 | Helral | FieldUnknown Behavior |
| 08:49.00 | Helral | Combat - Modification - Vital Gained from Damage Taken - Damage Kind((0|0|0|0)|(0|0|0|0)|(0|0|0|0)) |
| 08:49.00 | Helral | and that one? |
| 08:49.35 | ProzaicMuze | That one gives you life/shields/energy when you're hit |
| 08:49.39 | ProzaicMuze | That would be the opposite of what he wanted. |
| 08:49.54 | Helral | let it give as much hp as the unit gets damage ;p |
| 08:50.01 | Helral | and negative amount of energy. |
| 08:50.12 | BoltHead | wow thats unique |
| 08:50.20 | ProzaicMuze | wait, nvm, you did want life gain, my bad |
| 08:50.27 | Helral | hehehe ;p |
| 08:50.31 | ProzaicMuze | I had to read up to check it Xp |
| 08:50.35 | Squeegeez | i still wouldn't know how to trigger it though, but that sounds like exactly what you need, Ignore Terrain Height |
| 08:50.42 | ProzaicMuze | I'm sleepy, I've been bashin' my head against this uberlisk all night :( |
| 08:50.58 | onetwo | so what field |
| 08:51.00 | onetwo | should i use |
| 08:51.02 | ProzaicMuze | I'd say set the mana to HP at a 2:1 or 4:1 |
| 08:51.05 | onetwo | in order to drain mana, but increase hp |
| 08:51.07 | onetwo | yeah |
| 08:51.16 | BoltHead | if i can set that flag in a trigger alright then that will work Squeegeez thanks |
| 08:51.19 | ProzaicMuze | Behavior (Buff) Modification |
| 08:51.28 | ProzaicMuze | click unit tab and scroll to the bottom |
| 08:51.46 | ProzaicMuze | erm, combat tab* |
| 08:51.53 | ProzaicMuze | wtf, I'm loopy tonight |
| 08:52.17 | onetwo | lol |
| 08:52.28 | onetwo | so will this allow it to have a max amount |
| 08:52.35 | onetwo | or do i just accept |
| 08:52.39 | onetwo | that its unlimited as long as you have mana |
| 08:52.56 | ProzaicMuze | I'm lookin' at validators to see if you can set a maximum |
| 08:52.57 | Fatal5101 | so whats new ONETWO |
| 08:53.11 | BoltHead | so now I got to find out how to set unit flags with a trigger... |
| 08:53.19 | onetwo | dont worry prozaic |
| 08:53.20 | onetwo | if we have to do that |
| 08:53.22 | onetwo | i dont care atm |
| 08:53.25 | onetwo | cant waste too much time |
| 08:53.27 | onetwo | thanks though :D |
| 08:53.31 | onetwo | working on RPG fatal |
| 08:53.36 | onetwo | its hogging my tutorial time |
| 08:53.36 | onetwo | lol |
| 08:53.44 | ProzaicMuze | I'll look at it while you work out the behaviors |
| 08:53.47 | ProzaicMuze | Won't cost you any time lol |
| 08:55.01 | onetwo | i dont want to cost you time |
| 08:55.03 | onetwo | if ill never implement it |
| 08:55.43 | ProzaicMuze | lol |
| 08:55.46 | ProzaicMuze | mmk, then nvm |
| 08:55.54 | ProzaicMuze | I'll wrap up my uberlisk and start the tutorial I s'pose |
| 08:56.22 | onetwo | good idea :D |
| 08:58.06 | Squeegeez | found it! BoltHead: Unit - Turn Unit Ignore Terrain Height state On |
| 08:58.32 | Squeegeez | you'd have to use that with another trigger, to make the transition look smooth |
| 08:58.52 | Squeegeez | it's in Unit - "set unit state" |
| 08:59.00 | BoltHead | oh alright |
| 08:59.18 | BoltHead | NICE =) |
| 09:02.49 | BoltHead | dude Squeegeez that is the most epic thing ever now! |
| 09:03.09 | onetwo | wow |
| 09:03.13 | Squeegeez | =D |
| 09:03.14 | onetwo | toy story 3 is 9.2/10 in imdb |
| 09:03.21 | onetwo | i thought itd be like a shrek 4 piece of crap |
| 09:03.25 | onetwo | apparently its brilliant |
| 09:03.26 | onetwo | :O |
| 09:03.54 | BoltHead | I now have a bridge that units can walk both Under and Over! yippy =) |
| 09:04.28 | Squeegeez | really? that's cool, can they go off the sides though? |
| 09:04.46 | BoltHead | sadly yeah... I still have to tackle pathing |
| 09:04.54 | BoltHead | and interferance with units below |
| 09:05.15 | Squeegeez | yeah, the melee something from below is going to be tough |
| 09:05.32 | BoltHead | not even refering to attacking |
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| 09:05.57 | BoltHead | problem was when a unit is standing on the bridge units can walk into it from below causing it to move out of the way and stuff |
| 09:06.05 | BoltHead | or it was before... |
| 09:06.07 | Squeegeez | you'd probably have to set up triggers so that units on top and below can't attack each other somehow |
| 09:06.46 | onetwo | omfg im an idiot ProzaicMuze |
| 09:06.50 | Squeegeez | hmmm... and also don't collide with each other |
| 09:06.54 | onetwo | i accidently put 8 spells on my spell list for the hero |
| 09:07.00 | onetwo | when im only doing 7 |
| 09:07.00 | BoltHead | yeah I think pathing and footing takes priority |
| 09:07.06 | onetwo | so i actually didnt need a mana shield spell |
| 09:07.07 | onetwo | haha |
| 09:07.10 | BoltHead | I'm pretty sure I can do the pathing aspect |
| 09:07.12 | onetwo | i confused myself :O |
| 09:07.21 | Squeegeez | i have no idea how pathing would work |
| 09:08.19 | Helral | hmmm trying to figure out catalogs .... |
| 09:08.19 | BoltHead | well there was a unique way of solving that kind of problem with SC1 where you could make a unit be incapable of walking into a region |
| 09:08.26 | BoltHead | not sure how well it will translate |
| 09:08.39 | Helral | too annoying for me to find out how to get stuff..... |
| 09:08.40 | Helral | 00:00:03.88 Trigger Error in 'gt_ShowCharacterSheet_Func': Catalog field 'CWeaponLegacy_Effect' could not be read (Core: a required object could not be found) |
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| 09:09.02 | onetwo | lol |
| 09:09.03 | onetwo | ... |
| 09:09.07 | onetwo | yeah |
| 09:09.08 | Squeegeez | you don't really want them to not be able to enter the region though |
| 09:09.51 | BoltHead | regions would be the edges of the bridge or cliff (if walking under) |
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| 09:10.06 | Squeegeez | ah, gotcha |
| 09:10.15 | BoltHead | it could prevent them from walking their but would not fix the AI walking |
| 09:10.29 | BoltHead | IE your at the bottom of the bridge and you click to move up to the cliff edge up top |
| 09:10.49 | BoltHead | you would have to babysit them a bit |
| 09:16.09 | Helral | ok I've finally figured out the catalogs :S |
| 09:16.14 | onetwo | lol |
| 09:16.24 | Helral | http://forums.sc2mapster.com/development/tutorials/1250-triggers-catalog-field-value-get-set/ <-- long live tutorials |
| 09:17.51 | Helral | I'm now retrieving the damage data for the zealot weapon.... |
| 09:18.31 | Helral | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:18.31 | Helral | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:18.32 | Helral | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:18.32 | Helral | Three lines of Catalog code needed for just 1 tiny value |
| 09:18.49 | onetwo | lol |
| 09:19.01 | onetwo | i wonder if i can do +spell dmg items through |
| 09:19.03 | onetwo | catalogs |
| 09:19.04 | onetwo | and triggers |
| 09:19.07 | onetwo | like WoW items |
| 09:19.28 | Helral | onetwo: add an unseen attribute for it. |
| 09:19.31 | Helral | it's easier. |
| 09:19.36 | onetwo | oh |
| 09:19.40 | onetwo | wait |
| 09:19.47 | onetwo | you can increase dmg unscaled |
| 09:19.54 | Helral | that's how I do it for damage increases. |
| 09:19.57 | onetwo | of melee, range, spell, and splash |
| 09:20.01 | onetwo | all my spells do spell dmg |
| 09:20.05 | onetwo | i wonder if that affects them |
| 09:20.13 | onetwo | because theyre just |
| 09:20.15 | onetwo | spell dmg |
| 09:20.17 | onetwo | mmmm |
| 09:20.20 | onetwo | this is an excellent revelation |
| 09:20.59 | onetwo | for me |
| 09:20.59 | Helral | FieldStrength |
| 09:20.59 | Helral | Combat - Modification - Damage Dealt (Unscaled)(0|0|0|0) |
| 09:20.59 | Helral | Behaviors - Attribute. |
| 09:21.00 | Squeegeez | is there a trigger that turns off collision between two units, while maintaining collision for other units? |
| 09:24.35 | monoframe | Are the units pre-assigned or will they be assigned on-the-run (units depending on conditions)? |
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| 09:26.05 | Squeegeez | if a unit enters a region (above on a bridge), then make it not collide with any units that have entered the same region (below the bridge) |
| 09:26.34 | Squeegeez | so group A cannot collide with group B, but group A units acan collide with themselves, and so can group B |
| 09:26.58 | monoframe | So you want the would-be-"uncollisionised" units to be picked up on the bridge, or below it? |
| 09:27.15 | monoframe | Or do you want to disable it altogether? |
| 09:27.33 | monoframe | Considering regions are 2 dimensional |
| 09:27.41 | monoframe | altogether is the only way |
| 09:28.01 | monoframe | As you won't be able to pick the units is z-axis |
| 09:29.37 | Squeegeez | you should be able to have an if statement on the unit that enters the region, and check his height |
| 09:30.11 | monoframe | herp |
| 09:30.30 | Squeegeez | once you have the height, you either assign it to above or below the bridge (group A or B) |
| 09:30.37 | Repo | New announcement: http://www.sc2mapster.com/announcements/localizer/ |
| 09:30.42 | Repo | New announcement: http://www.sc2mapster.com/announcements/localizer-hidden-textures-scrolling-list/ |
| 09:30.45 | Helral | bleh.... |
| 09:30.55 | Helral | Catalog doesn't take the current value of the unit on the map.... |
| 09:30.57 | monoframe | Can you change unit data settings through triggers? you could then assign the picked unit a "flying" value |
| 09:31.08 | monoframe | so then it won't colide with others |
| 09:31.12 | BoltHead | Squeegeez my Region Pathing works =) |
| 09:31.22 | heysparky | gnight folks |
| 09:31.35 | BoltHead | g'night sparky |
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| 09:32.01 | BoltHead | oh your telling me everything I already did =) |
| 09:32.13 | vjeux | ok ... this is getting really hard to find things to news :( |
| 09:32.17 | vjeux | we need the beta back! |
| 09:32.23 | Squeegeez | i've tried very hard looking for ways to change data editor fields using triggers, but i can't find a solution. Also the "flying" value would get picked up by AA and shot at. Marines below the bridge would also still be able to shoot up through the bridge. |
| 09:32.37 | BoltHead | ohh nm your talking collision |
| 09:32.42 | Squeegeez | yeah |
| 09:32.45 | vjeux | Squeegeez: isn't the catalog set working? |
| 09:32.54 | Squeegeez | catalog set? |
| 09:33.01 | vjeux | http://forums.sc2mapster.com/development/tutorials/1250-triggers-catalog-field-value-get-set/ |
| 09:33.12 | BoltHead | i thought there were two data editor feilds |
| 09:33.17 | monoframe | vjuex, you always have a tons of kities on youtube. Just make every Saturday a Caturday by posting tons of cute video materia |
| 09:33.22 | BoltHead | Mover could be flying to make it move as flying |
| 09:33.33 | BoltHead | and there was a sepeate one that dicated if it was targeted as flying |
| 09:33.50 | Squeegeez | also, a flying value would mean that group A wouldn't collide with each other |
| 09:34.08 | vjeux | good guess monoframe, going to spam videos :P |
| 09:34.20 | BoltHead | I have a boolean for 'on bridge' but I think i'm giong to have to change that so it supports multple units. I'll probolly have a 'on bridge' unit Group |
| 09:34.21 | monoframe | Well, that's what you've been doing for the past 3 months lol |
| 09:34.22 | monoframe | :P |
| 09:34.28 | Helral | AAARRRRGGGHHHH.... this is too frustrating.... I'm not going to be able to retrieve weapon damage with a generic function :S |
| 09:34.36 | monoframe | How hard can it be to change the topic, to more-agreeable for other people |
| 09:34.43 | Helral | at least not through catalogs. |
| 09:34.59 | BoltHead | ohh |
| 09:35.03 | BoltHead | i'm thinking flying spaceing.... |
| 09:35.19 | Squeegeez | that could be true, but you only want the unit to appear flying to the OTHER group of units below, you have to maintain the ground collision for units on the same plane (the units above the bridge still need to contact each other, and they wont if they're all flying) |
| 09:35.52 | monoframe | Then assign the units to a group |
| 09:35.56 | BoltHead | yeah I was thinking flying units colide since they space eachother out... but that was just a misconception |
| 09:36.08 | monoframe | that shares one value within itself, and a separate value to all other groups |
| 09:36.13 | ProzaicMuze | vjeux, I have a map for you to look at in a sec. Wondering if you want a tutorial for it. I'll query you the link |
| 09:36.15 | monoframe | if that's possible... |
| 09:36.33 | BoltHead | not sure... |
| 09:36.38 | Helral | wasn't there a doodad variable that made a difference between units passing under it and units passing above it? |
| 09:36.51 | BoltHead | my anti walk of the bridge trigger is pretty awsome |
| 09:37.15 | Squeegeez | oh mah god! I never thought to look at catalog stuff, thanks Vjeux! =D |
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| 09:37.52 | Helral | Squeegeez: be prepared to be frustrated ;p |
| 09:38.43 | BoltHead | Any Unit enters 'BridgeRail' Conditions triggering unit is in 'OnBridge' Order Triggering unit to move to ((Possition of (triggering unit)) offset by 0.25 towards (center of bridge) |
| 09:38.51 | Squeegeez | can you set collision towards a certain unit any way? Like unit 1 ignores the colliding radius of unit 2 |
| 09:39.19 | BoltHead | I don't know... |
| 09:39.45 | monoframe | You better have two groups, one for the on-bridge, other below-bridge |
| 09:40.48 | Squeegeez | we've already established that we need that =O |
| 09:41.14 | A1win | BoltHead, that basically stops the unit whenever it touches the bridge rail ;p seems a bit clumsy |
| 09:41.47 | BoltHead | What would work better then? |
| 09:42.08 | BoltHead | cause i tried force clicking it to make it go over and it doesn't work |
| 09:42.19 | BoltHead | well you can't go off i mean |
| 09:42.38 | A1win | well that's not the problem, the problem is that if the unit walks there by itself with pathfinding when it's trying to move across or something? |
| 09:42.40 | BoltHead | So it serves it purpose |
| 09:43.03 | A1win | and won't the units think they can walk off the bridge by the pathfinding too ._o |
| 09:43.27 | BoltHead | yeah pathfinding... unless you can set the pathing in a region specific to unit I can't think of anything you could do regarding that |
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| 09:43.59 | BoltHead | I was thinking of putting the cliff back |
| 09:44.03 | A1win | I'd just rather play a map with no bridge than a map with a bridge that doesn't work properly :P |
| 09:44.13 | BoltHead | and fing out how to make the unit walk up and down cliffs |
| 09:44.21 | BoltHead | and enable that while they enter the bridge from the top |
| 09:44.35 | BoltHead | so pathing would work fine on the bottom half... |
| 09:44.51 | BoltHead | but walking across the top would kinda be a bitch |
| 09:45.34 | A1win | if you'd only have units at the top or at the bottom at one time, you could create invisible pathing blockers up/down the bridge depending where the unit is.. but I guess you need them to be able to be above and below at the same time |
| 09:45.38 | BoltHead | Well theres a good reason to abandon my plans A1 lol (I don't know how to do it... fuck it) |
| 09:46.57 | Helral | Bolthead: you can always use the doodad-warp principle. |
| 09:47.07 | BoltHead | Whats that? |
| 09:47.12 | Helral | a unit that wants to walk underneath the bridge is ported to the other side. |
| 09:47.46 | Helral | see Actors - Doodad - CActorDoodad - Structures - Bridge Long - Mar Sara - |
| 09:47.48 | A1win | that's still screw the pathfinding |
| 09:47.49 | A1win | :x |
| 09:48.04 | A1win | or would it? |
| 09:48.04 | BoltHead | just warping.... |
| 09:48.16 | BoltHead | uhh that again defeats the purpose of my challenge |
| 09:48.22 | Helral | ;p |
| 09:48.38 | BoltHead | I'm not creating a real map... My map is just a couple cliffs and a bridge |
| 09:48.54 | A1win | well it's a 2D game when it comes to pathfinding... |
| 09:48.57 | Helral | take a look at those bridges there... could be that I'm wrong about how they handle it. |
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| 09:49.46 | WaterKnight | morning |
| 09:49.56 | Helral | afternoon. |
| 09:50.16 | WaterKnight | kay nearly noon |
| 09:50.24 | BoltHead | how about ai create an algoritm that determans if the unit is closer to the top or the bottom of the bridge and when a unit selects a unit i change the pathing depending on where it is.... bleh... overkill ha ha |
| 09:50.30 | Helral | true, I felt like lying ;p |
| 09:51.26 | Helral | Bolt: roflol.... |
| 09:52.05 | BoltHead | so anyways... back to simple questions... how do I make a condition that checks of a unit is part of a unit group? |
| 09:52.27 | Helral | Unit in Unit group |
| 09:52.45 | Helral | or is that too easy? |
| 09:52.53 | A1win | make the pathing change between below and above pathing every 0.01 seconds and sync the units so that they only try to do pathfinding when the cycle is at the proper level o_O or write a quantum algorithm which makes it so that the pathing is and isn't there at the same time :O |
| 09:53.20 | BoltHead | no... i don't know why I didn't see that one |
| 09:53.34 | Helral | don't worry Bolt... you're not the first one ;p |
| 09:54.09 | BoltHead | well I've improved alot in the last couple of weeks |
| 09:54.31 | BoltHead | quantum algoritm? |
| 09:54.41 | Squeegeez | don't mind him ;-) |
| 09:55.02 | A1win | didn't they teach you that in elementary school :< |
| 09:55.05 | Squeegeez | he's trying to tell you to make something that doesn't exist, and exists at the same time |
| 09:55.06 | A1win | :x |
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| 09:55.15 | WaterKnight | in kindergarten |
| 09:55.27 | pierro | Hello everyone |
| 09:55.30 | WaterKnight | hi |
| 09:55.31 | Helral | hey |
| 09:55.35 | Squeegeez | i still like the concept of "if you look at the quantum value, it immediately doesn't exist any more" |
| 09:56.13 | pierro | Does anoyone know a good tutorial on Gimp ? I'd like to knwo basic stuff in order to make nice icon. |
| 09:57.09 | WaterKnight | http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/525347 |
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| 10:11.21 | ProzaicMuze | If anyone has an MPQ editor I need Base15655\Patch.SC2Archive\Assets\Doodads\RockTower\RockTower_00.m3 |
| 10:11.26 | ProzaicMuze | I've got another corrupt .dds file Xp |
| 10:12.13 | vjeux | give me a sec |
| 10:12.27 | ProzaicMuze | tyvm |
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| 10:15.03 | vjeux | (pm) |
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| 10:16.26 | vjeux | http://team-aaa.com/news-16590-0-1-la_beta_reprendrait_le_premier_juillet.html |
| 10:16.36 | vjeux | there are rumors saying that beta is going to be back on july 1st |
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| 10:18.52 | onetwo | k |
| 10:20.55 | vjeux | http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=132460 |
| 10:20.59 | vjeux | Chris Siggarty announced the final closed beta is going to be for around 2 weeks starting in early July. |
| 10:21.08 | Helral | can I set a max img width so that my image is rescaled in WikiCreole? |
| 10:21.49 | vjeux | just insert the image |
| 10:21.53 | vjeux | and it will be rescaled auto |
| 10:22.05 | vjeux | (it's a bit buggy, sometimes you have to refresh so it's getting rescaled) |
| 10:22.52 | Grum | vjeux: on the map enlargement contest, you really think it can be done? bigger than 256? |
| 10:23.04 | vjeux | yes I do |
| 10:23.36 | Helral | vjeux: it also gets rescaled in threads? |
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| 10:23.52 | vjeux | All the sizes are dynamic, they malloc the width * height |
| 10:24.12 | vjeux | there's no reason they would make checks to see if that's more than 256*256 |
| 10:24.22 | vjeux | well there are but that would be kinda stupid :x |
| 10:24.27 | vjeux | Helral: yes |
| 10:26.39 | Helral | vjeux: you were right, the preview didn't show it correctly ;p page refresh fixed it. |
| 10:26.49 | Helral | http://forums.sc2mapster.com/development/map-development/4191-retrieving-damage-for-a-hero-to-display-somewhere-else/ |
| 10:26.56 | Helral | posted my question at Map Development. ;p |
| 10:29.12 | Helral | goes off to prepare a dnd session. |
| 10:30.51 | Grum | vjeux: this should be relatively easily to test not? |
| 10:31.11 | vjeux | that was the challenge is about :p |
| 10:31.20 | vjeux | that's what |
| 10:31.24 | vjeux | omg it's not english :x |
| 10:31.33 | Grum | huuuumz |
| 10:31.34 | vjeux | that's the aim of the challenge, test if it's possible or not :p |
| 10:31.46 | Grum | not to be blunt .. but erm there is 1 file that tells you the size of the map right? |
| 10:31.54 | Grum | what if you have a 200x200 map |
| 10:32.14 | Grum | and now change that info file to 100x400 |
| 10:32.24 | Grum | means you dont have to generate data |
| 10:32.30 | Grum | and yes everything will be fucked up |
| 10:32.37 | Grum | BUT if it loads ... |
| 10:32.42 | vjeux | well, try it :) |
| 10:32.50 | Grum | dont have SC2 installed atm >< |
| 10:32.54 | vjeux | lol :p |
| 10:33.01 | Grum | yeah tell me about it |
| 10:33.34 | vjeux | @sanktanglia: Go the game is unable to open big maps the must be a limit somewhere. something like mark map = illegal if size >256 |
| 10:35.17 | Grum | vjeux: hmm was that a quote? |
| 10:35.28 | vjeux | that's the last post on the thread |
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| 10:37.09 | monoframe | Hmm, when is SC2 coming out? S: |
| 10:37.40 | Grum | vjeux: url to that quote? is it the comments under the newpost? |
| 10:38.02 | vjeux | http://forums.sc2mapster.com/development/map-development/4020-challenge-make-a-map-larger-than-256-256/?post=48 |
| 10:38.11 | vjeux | 27july |
| 10:41.05 | Grum | meh |
| 10:44.33 | Fisker | Grum vjeux |
| 10:44.51 | vjeux | Fisker: |
| 10:44.57 | Grum | Fisker: |
| 10:46.24 | Fisker | Fisker: |
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| 11:00.03 | Squeegeez | Sleep calls, and i must answer, good night everyone. |
| 11:08.14 | Repo | New map: http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/dystopia/. Dystopia. funcmode (Manager/Author). Approved by vjeux. |
| 11:08.15 | Repo | New map: http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/frigid-thunder/. Frigid Thunder. Locklyve (Manager/Author). Approved by vjeux. |
| 11:09.53 | Hati | nomnomnom grilled cheese :o |
| 11:10.19 | vjeux | http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/frigid-thunder/ |
| 11:10.23 | vjeux | this one's pretty cool |
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| 11:31.59 | madsquare | i would need to see the grid but it looks like limit to 50 supply armies |
| 11:32.25 | madsquare | the artwork is nice though |
| 11:38.33 | Clord | if I hide UI... I can't show leaderboard? XD |
| 11:38.43 | Clord | yeah at least there is no such thing to enable in UI named that |
| 11:39.18 | A1win | if you hide UI, you can't show anything on the UI until you show the whole UI again |
| 11:39.27 | A1win | I think D: |
| 11:39.54 | Clord | yeah it is rather crap system XD |
| 11:40.07 | Clord | my card game does not need that UI |
| 11:40.08 | Clord | so meh |
| 11:40.19 | A1win | you can hide it part by part |
| 11:40.34 | A1win | only leave the stuff you need |
| 11:40.41 | A1win | like the menu is good to have :p |
| 11:41.26 | A1win | or hmm |
| 11:41.35 | A1win | I think I hide my UI by changing screen mode to fullscreen |
| 11:41.43 | A1win | then hiding souce frame and supply frame |
| 11:42.13 | A1win | so all it leaves is the menu |
| 11:42.28 | A1win | and you can show custom stuff on it |
| 11:48.04 | Clord | making this AI even somewhat good is lol.... holds defensive only cards until base is under attack |
| 11:48.05 | Clord | ^^ |
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| 12:19.11 | Beider | did anyone test if you can use the event "used dialog item" for pulldowns? |
| 12:19.17 | Beider | and if it triggers when the value is changed? |
| 12:21.25 | Beider | bah tested it now and does not work |
| 12:23.11 | ProzaicMuze | http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=128032 |
| 12:23.20 | ProzaicMuze | Yay for anti-blizzard tactics! |
| 12:24.51 | Clord | how you spell "futile attempt" ;) |
| 12:24.55 | Clord | ^^ |
| 12:25.18 | Clord | blizzard has already told chat channel like system comes eventually |
| 12:25.24 | Clord | it is based around categories |
| 12:25.29 | Clord | like what people are intersted of |
| 12:26.09 | ProzaicMuze | Psh, I'm still gonna name myself ESPORTS |
| 12:26.49 | Clord | many gonna name itself just for fun like that because site told them to |
| 12:27.37 | ProzaicMuze | Exactly |
| 12:28.00 | A1win | they already did before the beta ended |
| 12:28.06 | A1win | there was a lot of ESPORTS :P |
| 12:28.34 | ProzaicMuze | they're gonna do it again :D |
| 12:28.36 | Clord | yeah but as i didn't knew why those two guys was named ESPORTS in same game room |
| 12:28.42 | Clord | I didn't get idea behind naming |
| 12:28.47 | Clord | ;) |
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| 12:29.08 | Fisker | Clord a billion trillion years after we bitched about it for months yeah |
| 12:29.13 | A1win | and it sucks I can't use my nick since numbers aren't allowed :I I guess I need to come up with another one just for SC2 <.< |
| 12:29.31 | Clord | assumed it was common nickname in starcraft series so they just happened to name itself same.. like "Sephiroth" or "Squall" |
| 12:29.32 | Clord | XD |
| 12:29.35 | Fisker | well not exactly chat channels i think that was mentioned shortly after saying it wasn't there right away |
| 12:30.01 | Fisker | But cross region play, hopefully cross-region communication, lan, etc. is all just Blizzard caving in to peer pressure |
| 12:30.17 | ProzaicMuze | Not really |
| 12:30.23 | ProzaicMuze | it's them saying "we're considerign it" |
| 12:30.30 | ProzaicMuze | then they'll get around to implementing it and "Facebook" appears |
| 12:30.30 | Clord | they plan to allow this style chatting.... very simillar to typical chat rooms |
| 12:30.34 | Clord | you pick category of interest |
| 12:30.39 | Clord | and then if there is not all rooms full |
| 12:30.41 | ProzaicMuze | They aren't going to follow through with any of their promises in the way we think they are. |
| 12:30.41 | Clord | join one ^^ |
| 12:31.00 | Phatency | Have they promised to make nicks unique again? |
| 12:31.11 | ProzaicMuze | yes and no |
| 12:31.19 | ProzaicMuze | Now you get to name yourself whatever you want |
| 12:31.28 | Clord | I think they forgot to ensure they are unique as previously identifier made sure they are |
| 12:31.28 | ProzaicMuze | THen they attach a random 3 digit number to your name |
| 12:31.28 | Clord | XD |
| 12:31.29 | Phatency | bnet forums were just ridiculous when everyone was called ESPORTS |
| 12:31.32 | ProzaicMuze | bam, instant uniqueness |
| 12:31.56 | Clord | they removed identifier but forgot that identifier made sure nicknames are unique |
| 12:31.57 | Clord | XD |
| 12:31.58 | ProzaicMuze | Nickname.### |
| 12:31.58 | ProzaicMuze | Lame |
| 12:32.10 | Clord | lol |
| 12:32.12 | ProzaicMuze | so I'm prolly gonna name myself abc.### |
| 12:32.12 | Clord | Clord.001 |
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| 12:32.26 | Clord | XD |
| 12:32.47 | Saeris | hey, i have a complex question |
| 12:32.53 | Clord | so now we get like... |
| 12:32.55 | Arthas-zzz | can i be clord too? <3 |
| 12:32.57 | Clord | Sephiroth.3423532532352532 |
| 12:32.58 | Clord | XD |
| 12:33.21 | Clord | meh |
| 12:33.23 | Clord | I'm Clord |
| 12:33.25 | Saeris | anyone have any idea how i can scan for the nearest point to a unit? |
| 12:33.26 | Clord | :) |
| 12:33.27 | Arthas-zzz | todays gamers now about sephiroth? |
| 12:33.35 | Clord | lol |
| 12:33.35 | Arthas-zzz | I can be number 2! |
| 12:33.47 | Arthas-zzz | That will be awesome number one |
| 12:33.59 | Clord | about every popular irc server has somebody named Sephiroth and/or variations of it... same with websites etc |
| 12:34.00 | Clord | XD |
| 12:34.06 | ProzaicMuze | Saeris, what do you mean by scan? |
| 12:34.20 | Clord | same with tons other very popular character names |
| 12:34.28 | ProzaicMuze | Using triggers to check proximity or data editor with soem kinda buff? |
| 12:34.44 | Saeris | like, i'm trying to put things into a variable, such as when my unit moves within range of a point, it sets that point as the variable |
| 12:34.51 | Saeris | it's actually an interaction trigger |
| 12:35.05 | Saeris | so that a unit will interact with points if it is in range of them |
| 12:35.07 | Clord | FuckU.101 |
| 12:35.08 | Clord | XD |
| 12:35.38 | Arthas-zzz | Im going to try and snatch God as quick as possible |
| 12:35.46 | Clord | :) |
| 12:35.49 | Clord | probably filitered out |
| 12:35.50 | Arthas-zzz | if that doesnt work ill try lucifer, satan etc |
| 12:35.52 | Arthas-zzz | ya |
| 12:36.00 | Clord | you could try some less common language |
| 12:36.03 | Clord | aka non english |
| 12:36.04 | Clord | lol |
| 12:36.07 | Arthas-zzz | but i have a hard time seeing the filtered thor, odin etc out ;D |
| 12:36.16 | ProzaicMuze | @Saeris I'm not a triggers buff, so I wouldn't know :( |
| 12:36.25 | Saeris | hmmm |
| 12:36.32 | Saeris | this is gonna be a hard one to do |
| 12:36.33 | Saeris | lol |
| 12:36.34 | Clord | Thor can be like thorn in your ass... with lighting shots |
| 12:36.35 | Clord | XD |
| 12:36.54 | Arthas-zzz | :D |
| 12:37.05 | Clord | one awesome nickname could be |
| 12:37.05 | Arthas-zzz | hmm |
| 12:37.07 | Clord | Holy |
| 12:37.09 | Saeris | cuz i'm trying to make an interaction system in the same genre as classic zelda games |
| 12:37.11 | Arthas-zzz | time for me to get some food! |
| 12:37.16 | Saeris | say you're in front of like a chest |
| 12:37.17 | Arthas-zzz | Saeris ? |
| 12:37.21 | Arthas-zzz | and hit f |
| 12:37.23 | Saeris | you press a button and it opens the chest |
| 12:37.23 | Arthas-zzz | to open! |
| 12:37.49 | Saeris | but in this case, the button press is just scanning for a nearby object to interact with |
| 12:37.56 | Saeris | if there is none in range, it does nothing |
| 12:38.11 | Arthas-zzz | ok this computer has a fan that is going way to fast, ill be back later after foods and stuff! |
| 12:38.32 | A1win | Saeris, what kind of objects are they? units? or just point variables? |
| 12:38.38 | Saeris | if there is one, well. i don't want to have a serperate trigger for every interactable object in the game |
| 12:38.50 | Saeris | i'm thinking they would be points in the game world |
| 12:38.52 | ProzaicMuze | So you want to have it be like the default "Use" key (E)? |
| 12:39.06 | Beider | Saeris: I would solve that with an object type array. Then handle what to do based on object type |
| 12:39.09 | A1win | Saeris, store them into an array, then just go through that array every time the user presses the interact key |
| 12:39.32 | Saeris | i figured that would be the case |
| 12:39.37 | Beider | So you could have like a "container" object type or "door" object type |
| 12:39.43 | Beider | and handle it based on that |
| 12:39.43 | Saeris | i was thinking of using a data table for some reason |
| 12:40.38 | A1win | oh right you also need to know what the point means :P |
| 12:40.41 | Saeris | here's the thing, my current interaction conditions are this |
| 12:40.51 | A1win | make a new variable type that consists of a point and whatever else it needs |
| 12:40.56 | A1win | and store them into array |
| 12:41.06 | Beider | then make your objects ingame units, or at least put a hidden unit on top of your object. Then you can use a custom value on the unit to store the ID of your object type. |
| 12:41.14 | Saeris | can it be interacted with (boolean), distance between player and the object, and facing of the unit. |
| 12:42.26 | Saeris | then if conditions are true, run the interaction trigger of that object |
| 12:42.44 | Saeris | which could just be a function, not a specific trigger |
| 12:43.08 | Saeris | say like.... getting a health potion, or opening a trade window |
| 12:43.12 | Saeris | shit like that |
| 12:43.20 | A1win | hmm is Record a collection of different types of variables? |
| 12:43.21 | Beider | still would go for the solution I suggested above |
| 12:43.27 | Beider | yes A1win, pretty much |
| 12:43.29 | Saeris | yes a1 |
| 12:43.35 | A1win | then I think you should use that |
| 12:43.59 | Beider | Well what I would do is make a preset with object types "Container", "Shop", "Door", etc... |
| 12:43.59 | Saeris | i'm still confused though, as to how data tables are used |
| 12:44.11 | Beider | Then I would use a array of records to store them |
| 12:44.17 | A1win | yeah |
| 12:44.31 | Beider | and custom values on the units to identify what kind of object they are and what they do |
| 12:44.31 | A1win | and the record would also contain any settings needed for it |
| 12:44.44 | Beider | yep |
| 12:44.52 | Saeris | hmmm |
| 12:44.59 | Beider | Saeris, are you familiar with records and presets? |
| 12:45.09 | Saeris | not really |
| 12:45.13 | Saeris | just winging this |
| 12:45.29 | Beider | http://forums.sc2mapster.com/development/tutorials/4151-video-tutorial-scrolling-list-box-tutorial/ |
| 12:45.30 | A1win | errm |
| 12:45.31 | Beider | check part 2 |
| 12:45.37 | A1win | how exactly do you make an array of Records |
| 12:45.46 | Beider | make a new array |
| 12:45.49 | Beider | set it to type "- Record" |
| 12:45.51 | A1win | oops nvm |
| 12:45.54 | A1win | :P |
| 12:46.00 | A1win | stupid - :< |
| 12:47.14 | Saeris | heh, logically i can understand some of this, though i'm by far not a programmer |
| 12:47.36 | Saeris | i'm an artist and a level designer (sorta), trigger shit gets me confused a lot |
| 12:47.52 | Saeris | though i think i know where i'll go from here for now |
| 12:47.58 | Beider | goodie |
| 12:48.06 | Saeris | thanks for the insight |
| 12:54.14 | Clord | theory is that easier part |
| 12:54.15 | Clord | lol |
| 12:54.26 | Clord | we know how awesome plasma guns would be.... in theory |
| 12:54.27 | Clord | ^^ |
| 12:54.34 | Clord | but seen many plasma guns around yet? |
| 12:54.35 | Clord | XD |
| 12:57.07 | Beider | But no one understands how to create a plasma gun in theory |
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| 13:03.10 | Saeris | well really this can't be THAT hard. i'm just constrained by what the engine will let me do (at least until i learn to hard script everything) |
| 13:03.30 | Saeris | a few of my programmer buddies could help me figure it out fairly easily |
| 13:03.39 | Saeris | just it's 6am atm |
| 13:04.09 | Saeris | so, here |
| 13:04.13 | A1win | make sure you also only interact with the closest point instead of the first one on the list ;3 |
| 13:05.12 | Saeris | i've gone and make 6 record files for now, one for each different type of object i want to eventually put in all of those records. basically the different records just help me group objects by type for my needs |
| 13:05.23 | A1win | you only need one record |
| 13:05.30 | A1win | or well |
| 13:05.35 | Saeris | well no |
| 13:05.41 | Saeris | if a record is a collection of variables |
| 13:05.47 | Beider | no you only want one record |
| 13:05.51 | Saeris | i can define each object as a variable in a record, no? |
| 13:06.04 | A1win | not really |
| 13:06.05 | Beider | An array can only be of one record type |
| 13:06.11 | Beider | what you want to do is use a preset |
| 13:06.17 | Beider | did you watch the videos I told you to Saeris? |
| 13:06.28 | Saeris | i watched one, but i didn't quite get it |
| 13:06.37 | Beider | well you pretty much need to do the exact same thing |
| 13:06.39 | Beider | as in the video |
| 13:06.52 | Beider | make a preset, then make a record. Inside the record have the preset as a variable |
| 13:07.05 | Beider | and then make an add function to fill the list |
| 13:07.15 | A1win | the preset tells you what type of object it is |
| 13:07.18 | Beider | in the video I make a HeroLibrary, you need to make an ObjectLibrary |
| 13:07.22 | Beider | yep |
| 13:07.31 | Saeris | hmmmm |
| 13:07.33 | A1win | what kinds of objects do you have? |
| 13:08.02 | Saeris | well for now i'm just thinking of like, NPC's, Vendors, Quests, Doors Switches, Chests...... i just started this tonight |
| 13:08.10 | Saeris | i can add more object types later |
| 13:08.19 | A1win | make a preset with values like "door", "container", "rock" or whatever, name the preset something like "ObjectType" |
| 13:08.29 | Beider | let me see if my livestream works Saeris, I can try to explain it to you |
| 13:08.36 | A1win | then in the record, make a variable that is ObjectType |
| 13:08.47 | Saeris | it's alright man, i'm gonna go to bed soon |
| 13:09.07 | Beider | mmk |
| 13:09.41 | Beider | there is really no easy way to explain it with text :P |
| 13:10.17 | Beider | at least if you don't understand presets and records |
| 13:11.07 | Beider | Imagine this then, the record is a collection of variables. So you make an array, which is of the type of your record. So each element in the array will hold all the variables inside the record. |
| 13:11.42 | Beider | Then inside the record you have the following variables "ObjectType", which just says "Door", "Container", "Shop", etc... This is what decides what action you take |
| 13:12.13 | Beider | then you got some setting variables like "Items" which is an array of items that the container contains, or that the shop sells |
| 13:12.42 | Beider | And finally on your unit in the game you got a custom value which you use to identify which number in your array of records you should use when the player interacts with this unit |
| 13:13.27 | Beider | Maybe I should just do a tutorial on this, I bet other people wonder about it as well |
| 13:15.20 | Saeris | probably |
| 13:16.10 | Saeris | the way i'm thinking this would work though |
| 13:17.18 | Saeris | well, i guess it would have to be a condition |
| 13:17.20 | ProzaicMuze | oie. . . vectors |
| 13:18.07 | ProzaicMuze | Depspite having chosing what I think is the combined vector direction I want, it point the object in variable directions each time I place the unit :( |
| 13:18.10 | ProzaicMuze | despite* |
| 13:18.40 | Saeris | distance between (player unit) and (value from array) = < .5, and it would have to return only one point from the array, as it would be the closest to the unit |
| 13:21.03 | Saeris | but anyways, i'll figure it out later today i guess |
| 13:21.33 | Saeris | just so far the whole record/preset thing just seems far too complex for this. i really try and keep my code as simple as possible, for speed and not having to spend hours debugging something i don't understand |
| 13:26.31 | A1win | in the loop that goes through the array, first check if the distance is close enough, and then update the "closest distance found so far" if the distance that's being checked is closer than the "closest distance found so far", and when you've gone through the whole array, return the "closest distance found so far" |
| 13:27.46 | Beider | I wouldn't really do it that way, as that would be slower than just storing the array index in the unit as a custom value |
| 13:27.59 | A1win | would it? :p |
| 13:28.14 | A1win | how do you know what kind of loops the game itself goes through when checking unit distances etc. |
| 13:28.25 | Beider | Well you wouldn't notice it as the arrays are small |
| 13:28.36 | Beider | the point is, you would store all the units in the record and loop through it that way |
| 13:28.50 | A1win | yeah? |
| 13:28.52 | Beider | Then you have to check every unit in the game and the distance |
| 13:29.12 | Beider | I would just look for units in the area, check their distance. Take the custom value out of the closest unit and get the record from the array |
| 13:29.13 | A1win | what do you mean every unit? just the distance between the player to that record |
| 13:29.16 | Saeris | problem is, i don't want to use units. and i don't want it to go populate a list for me. i'm defining the list myself |
| 13:29.56 | A1win | oh right if they were units you could just pick every unit within 1 square from the player |
| 13:30.01 | Beider | indeed |
| 13:30.19 | Beider | but if you are going to check by points well, then it will be more customizable but slower |
| 13:30.20 | A1win | but won't that basically go through every unit in the game anyway? |
| 13:30.24 | A1win | to check if the unit is in that region? :P |
| 13:30.29 | Beider | yes but with lower level code |
| 13:30.33 | Beider | which is faster than triggers |
| 13:30.37 | A1win | won't be that much faster |
| 13:30.41 | Beider | it will |
| 13:30.46 | A1win | not noticably faster |
| 13:30.57 | A1win | well if there's thousands of records then it might help |
| 13:31.01 | Beider | not for you no, but from a game perspective 1 millisecond is a LOOONG time |
| 13:31.09 | Beider | even 0.01 millisecond is a long time |
| 13:31.13 | A1win | what do you mean game perspective :P |
| 13:31.19 | Beider | have you ever programmed real games? |
| 13:31.47 | A1win | I know a lot about programming, haven't done it much though |
| 13:31.57 | Beider | There are so many actions that need to be run in every frame, imagine all the rendering code that goes on in a single frame |
| 13:32.10 | Saeris | i understand your point beider. just for now i'm trying to get something simple done just to make a proof of concept. function first, content later. right now there's no content, just 1 unit and 1 camera |
| 13:32.13 | Beider | speed is important, and even 0.001 millisecond counts |
| 13:32.15 | A1win | have you heard of threads? :p |
| 13:32.31 | Beider | have you heard of CPUs... |
| 13:32.50 | Beider | there is a limit to how efficient threading is, making more threads won't make your limited CPU run faster |
| 13:32.54 | A1win | if it takes 0.01 seconds to do a trigger task, it doesn't mean it can't render stuff during that |
| 13:33.04 | Saeris | i'm glad that so far i have movement working correctly AND my camera works the way i want it. can't say the same for the metal slug map i was trying to make |
| 13:33.33 | Beider | well for most triggers here it won't count, but if you imagine the map growing and perhaps having 10.000 things to interact with |
| 13:33.39 | A1win | it just means the trigger will be executed slower *because* it's rendering stuff while that |
| 13:33.49 | A1win | and from user perspective, 0.01 second doesn't matter at all |
| 13:34.14 | Beider | well just saying in general when programming a game it is good to think speed ans all these 0.01 seconds add up |
| 13:34.16 | A1win | yeah I already said if there would be thousands of things |
| 13:34.19 | A1win | but I doubt there will |
| 13:34.21 | Beider | and eventualy you are talking 0.2 seconds |
| 13:34.25 | Beider | and that players notice |
| 13:34.31 | A1win | so why optimize if it just gives you more work |
| 13:34.44 | Saeris | lol |
| 13:34.48 | Saeris | um, well for one |
| 13:34.59 | Beider | Saeris: for you just implement it in a way you can understand |
| 13:35.02 | Saeris | i don't want my maps to lag out like most WASD maps out there |
| 13:35.20 | Saeris | but on a small scale, one thing works, the other doesn't |
| 13:35.24 | Beider | but in general, proper implementations might be more work at first but pays off in the long run as you don't have to re-do them when things start cropping up |
| 13:35.35 | Saeris | once i get to large scale, well, i can start working on more complex code |
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| 13:35.43 | Labmonkey1 | hi |
| 13:35.57 | Beider | hello Labmonkey1 |
| 13:35.57 | Labmonkey1 | anybody here? |
| 13:36.03 | A1win | if you need to carry one or two large pieces of furniture from the street level to the sixth floor, you won't need an elevator.. but if you need to carry like 10000 of them, you'd better build that elevator first |
| 13:36.19 | Labmonkey1 | can some people help test my mmorpg. I just wana make sure the movement isn't buggy anymore |
| 13:36.21 | Labmonkey1 | http://firecaster.com/fc/ |
| 13:36.26 | Labmonkey1 | just log on and walk around k? |
| 13:36.30 | Beider | A1win, not the point. That analogy doesn't really apply well to games programming |
| 13:36.32 | Labmonkey1 | thanks! |
| 13:36.35 | A1win | but if you really *don't* need that elevator, why the hell would you build it |
| 13:36.45 | Saeris | cuz yea, making something like a zelda clone would be a massive scale. but really for now i just want to find a way that works for all the major functions. like walking, attacking, opening chests, using special equipment, that shit |
| 13:36.49 | Beider | the point is to get into a habit of doing things properly |
| 13:36.57 | A1win | I meant building that elevator meaning optimizing the code |
| 13:37.23 | A1win | why'd you take a habit of making things 10x slower than you could |
| 13:37.35 | Beider | Labmonkey1: You are aware this is a channel for starcraft 2 maps, not java applications :P |
| 13:37.37 | A1win | that's just stupid :P |
| 13:37.54 | Labmonkey1 | yea |
| 13:37.57 | Labmonkey1 | I know |
| 13:38.03 | Labmonkey1 | but beta is down so im not playing sc2 |
| 13:38.04 | Labmonkey1 | :P |
| 13:38.13 | Saeris | well a1win, i was kinda that way for a while, figuring out keyboard movement |
| 13:38.28 | Saeris | at first i wanted to do 1 trigger for all the key presses |
| 13:38.38 | Saeris | turned out, any keypress lagged my game to death |
| 13:38.54 | Saeris | and i can say that was true for many WASD games when they first came out |
| 13:39.08 | Saeris | might have been simpler, but it was fucking retarded ineffecient |
| 13:39.32 | A1win | well you can't do it any other way, it's just the way the game handles key presses over network |
| 13:40.04 | A1win | I mean the number of triggers doesn't matter, the lag is caused by network traffic |
| 13:40.27 | Saeris | that also applies to looping through hundreds or thousands of variables too though, like checking every key press. |
| 13:40.34 | Saeris | but oh triggers do matter too |
| 13:40.59 | Saeris | if you have 20 triggers all working on When Any Unit Dies, ALL of the check conditions every unit death |
| 13:41.22 | A1win | obviously? :x |
| 13:41.52 | A1win | we were talking about WASD movement, not 20 triggers for unit deaths |
| 13:42.05 | Saeris | overall we were talking about lag |
| 13:42.18 | A1win | if it was 20 keys and you had 20 triggers for them then it might be noticable |
| 13:42.27 | A1win | or some higher number even |
| 13:42.44 | A1win | but WASD is just 4 keys, it has no noticable change from 1 to 4 triggers |
| 13:42.58 | A1win | the biggest lag comes from network traffic |
| 13:43.46 | Beider | well it also depends on how you handle your walking code |
| 13:43.54 | A1win | it's all about what the trigger is supposed to do, it doesn't need to scale |
| 13:44.12 | Beider | if you update unit position or issue orders in all triggers or if you have a single trigger taking care of unit movement the others just setting which direction it should move |
| 13:44.27 | Saeris | yea |
| 13:44.29 | A1win | if you have a trigger that works fine for 10 things and your map only has 10 things, the trigger doesn't need to work fine for 100 things or even 11 things |
| 13:45.04 | Saeris | my setup runs on events for only the WASD keys going up and down, and all it does is set a variable on or off and runs a different trigger for movement |
| 13:45.17 | A1win | and if it takes 10 times longer to make it work for 100 things too, there's no point doing it the hard way |
| 13:46.21 | Beider | depends, if you are 100% certain that you will never add more things to your map. But in my experience most map developers for WC3/SC2 just wing it when they make their map |
| 13:46.32 | Beider | they don't sit down and write a complete game design document |
| 13:46.39 | Saeris | yea |
| 13:46.53 | Saeris | tbh, most maps out there are HORRIBLY ineffecient |
| 13:47.25 | Beider | I'm just a big fan of doing things properly in the first place because of all the benefits. It's easier to extend, less temptation of just hacking things in, easier to understand for yourself (think 4 months later) and for others. |
| 13:47.26 | A1win | so you're wasting time so that other people who might want to expand your idea don't need to? |
| 13:47.34 | Saeris | i'm glad the functionality of my golem wars map pretty much works 100%, i just needa tweak unit stats and abilities now |
| 13:47.41 | A1win | well I guess blizzard does that by making the GE... |
| 13:47.53 | Beider | indeed |
| 13:47.57 | Beider | but also for yourself |
| 13:48.21 | Beider | imagine you make a map now, then you decide later you want to make a similar map but a bit different. If you coded your stuff properly the first time around chances are high you can re-use a lot of it |
| 13:48.28 | Beider | instead of having to code it all over again |
| 13:48.38 | A1win | of course ;p |
| 13:48.44 | Beider | thus investing some more time in doing things properly the first time, saves you time in the long run |
| 13:48.55 | Beider | and really, it doesn't take much more time to do things properly |
| 13:49.04 | Saeris | a1win, when it comes down to it, the arguement was this. Use simple code to have 3-5 interactions demo properly, or use Complex code to run quickly and check through any number of up to thousands of interactions |
| 13:49.07 | A1win | but if you know you won't do it, or if it doesn't make any sense to do it |
| 13:49.26 | Beider | A1win, then don't do it |
| 13:50.00 | Beider | even though I more often than not find myself regretting not doing things properly when I just do a quick implementation |
| 13:50.36 | Beider | Take creating a dialog for example. You could hardcode the position of every element or you could calculate it based on the previous elements added |
| 13:50.47 | Beider | now the first method is faster to implement, the second one is way easier to extend on later |
| 13:51.07 | Beider | Personally I always do the later if the dialog has more than 2-3 items on it |
| 13:51.07 | A1win | my sidescroller control scheme is overcomplicated as hell :P started as a quick experiment and then I just kept adding stuff to it, now no one would probably understand how it works =P |
| 13:51.14 | A1win | but it does, so meh |
| 13:51.36 | Saeris | anyways, it's almost 7am and my gf will kill me if she finds me still up. thanks for the help |
| 13:51.41 | A1win | :3 |
| 13:51.52 | A1win | programming is serious business |
| 13:52.00 | A1win | she should understand that |
| 13:52.25 | A1win | otherwise she has to choose between programming and you.. or maybe it was that you need to choose.. umm well nevermind |
| 13:52.31 | Beider | well I'll go away to work on my map as well, later |
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| 14:14.40 | ProzaicMuze | so much typing. . . tutorials should really learn how to type themselves :( |
| 14:14.50 | ProzaicMuze | Better yet, I should get a talk > text program so I can just yell at my computer lol |
| 14:15.28 | pierro | do a video tutorial |
| 14:15.34 | pierro | not typing at all |
| 14:15.59 | pierro | or Picture + audio |
| 14:16.09 | pierro | just put ss and you describing them |
| 14:17.00 | ProzaicMuze | My video would be multiple, multiple hours long |
| 14:17.28 | ProzaicMuze | It would take longer to record it with video than it would to type lmao! |
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| 14:29.44 | Arthas-zzz | back! |
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| 14:50.54 | Helral | hey all |
| 14:51.06 | Arthas-zzz | oy |
| 14:52.35 | pierro | Is it possible to make Square Aura or custom shaped |
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| 14:58.47 | ProzaicMuze | if you use a region that is attached to a unit as the aura, then yes |
| 14:58.58 | ProzaicMuze | you can make custom shaps by overlapping circles and squares until you're satisfied |
| 15:00.29 | pierro | thank you |
| 15:01.17 | ProzaicMuze | :) |
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| 15:35.17 | Repo | 10yabot: 03vlovsky * r60 YABOT (8 files in 3 directories): [1] added cheat commands |
| 15:35.19 | Repo | [2] added cost fix for OrbitalCommand |
| 15:35.20 | Repo | [3] added restriction on custom costing |
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| 16:15.12 | wOlfLinG | so any new news about the beta? |
| 16:15.20 | wOlfLinG | I want to play starcraft :( |
| 16:15.25 | RedWraith | Yes. Early July. |
| 16:15.34 | wOlfLinG | how early is early? |
| 16:15.41 | wOlfLinG | 1st july? 10th? |
| 16:15.45 | RedWraith | So don't get your hopes up. |
| 16:15.48 | RedWraith | Don't get... |
| 16:15.50 | RedWraith | your hopes up. |
| 16:17.35 | RedWraith | "Chris Siggarty announced the final closed beta is going to be for around 2 weeks starting in early July." |
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| 16:17.52 | RedWraith | By that, the latest you could expect it would be the 13th. |
| 16:19.08 | wOlfLinG | ive heard the 8th, but thats too late ;_; |
| 16:19.44 | RedWraith | w0lfLinG, why does it matter? |
| 16:19.47 | RedWraith | And how's your map? |
| 16:19.54 | wOlfLinG | it doesnt. I just want Sc2 back xD |
| 16:20.01 | wOlfLinG | and my maps coming along nice |
| 16:20.14 | pierro | How can fill a map or a region of a map with destructible block ? |
| 16:20.18 | pierro | on map init |
| 16:20.22 | RedWraith | pierro |
| 16:20.24 | RedWraith | press H |
| 16:20.29 | wOlfLinG | Im busy adding in a 'Scientist' that uses traps etc and lightning storms |
| 16:20.32 | RedWraith | oh, wait |
| 16:20.35 | RedWraith | destructible block |
| 16:20.42 | RedWraith | uh... |
| 16:20.43 | pierro | or unit i make |
| 16:20.47 | RedWraith | for each integer for each integer |
| 16:20.48 | pierro | custom unit i can make |
| 16:20.48 | RedWraith | :P |
| 16:21.32 | wOlfLinG | also, anyone got any cool heros they want me to add? |
| 16:22.35 | pierro | An ultralisk that has ranged attack |
| 16:22.40 | pierro | with a tentacle |
| 16:22.48 | pierro | with a kaizer blade attached to it |
| 16:23.00 | wOlfLinG | Just wondering, would it be possible to add an 'Icethrower' which applies a buff to the enemy every second its attacking for 5 seconds and when it gets to 5 it gets frozen and unable to attack/ move? |
| 16:23.09 | pierro | yes |
| 16:23.18 | pierro | stackable behavior |
| 16:23.24 | pierro | easy to do |
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| 16:23.51 | pierro | each perido a freeze effect is applied |
| 16:24.05 | wOlfLinG | Ill do that then. the flamethrower would just need a new actor with a bluish tint, but im not too sure how to make the unit unable to move or attack when its at 5 |
| 16:24.14 | pierro | once at the number reached effect completely frozen is active |
| 16:24.29 | pierro | really it is not that hard |
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| 16:24.46 | pierro | in the behavior modification flag |
| 16:25.01 | pierro | make units targeted unmovable |
| 16:25.01 | wOlfLinG | yeah. So a tentalisk and a Icebat :D |
| 16:25.07 | RedWraith | Is there a relatively simple way to keep units from attacking between lanes in a tower defense game? |
| 16:25.13 | ekcolnvkol | 8BEAAAAAAAMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM |
| 16:25.15 | RedWraith | like, I have a super long range tower |
| 16:25.29 | ekcolnvkol | WHAT THE FUC |
| 16:25.46 | wOlfLinG | lol |
| 16:25.50 | pierro | Use target sort RedWraith |
| 16:25.54 | ekcolnovkol | D-D-D-D-DYNAMIC ENTRY |
| 16:26.00 | ekcolnovkol | hm |
| 16:26.03 | ekcolnovkol | i should turn that into a spell |
| 16:26.06 | ekcolnovkol | gets to work |
| 16:26.54 | pierro | So any Idea on how i can fill a map or a specified part of a map with destructible block?? |
| 16:27.03 | RedWraith | Target sort, pierro? Wassat? |
| 16:27.21 | RedWraith | pierro, I do that in sentry scramble. |
| 16:27.36 | RedWraith | well, they're not destructible, but that's beside the point |
| 16:27.41 | pierro | Data>Target Sort |
| 16:27.55 | pierro | ProzaicMuze made a tutorial with beam |
| 16:28.06 | pierro | but you can use some point he highlights |
| 16:28.34 | wOlfLinG | Btw, how do i give the map a day/ night cycle of around 10 mins? So 5 mins day, 5 mins night. |
| 16:28.56 | ekcolnovkol | take drugs |
| 16:28.57 | ekcolnovkol | o.o |
| 16:33.03 | RedWraith | change the lighting every 5 minutes? ;) |
| 16:36.55 | RedWraith | haha this targetsort stuff is awesome |
| 16:37.01 | RedWraith | wish I knew about this earlier |
| 16:37.13 | Helral | Wolfling: Set Day Length <-- (using triggers that is) |
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| 16:45.10 | wOlfLinG | :/ Why does my pc never beep when i get a message on IRC? |
| 16:45.30 | A1win | it's a stupid pc, you need to tell it to do so D: |
| 16:45.33 | wOlfLinG | Anyway, i think i tried that and it didnt work helral |
| 16:46.20 | wOlfLinG | Also, how do i apply an actor to a persistent? |
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| 16:58.12 | wOlfLinG | how do i change the flamethrowers colour? |
| 16:59.08 | ekcolnovkol | tint |
| 16:59.52 | RedWraith | Is there a way to make true 'map boundaries' within the map. |
| 17:00.03 | RedWraith | i.e. to keep players from sending missiles between lanes in a TD? |
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| 17:23.01 | RedWraith | I can't believe |
| 17:23.04 | RedWraith | there's no way |
| 17:23.11 | RedWraith | to put a true 'blocker' in a location |
| 17:23.15 | RedWraith | one that blocks missiles. |
| 17:23.19 | RedWraith | err |
| 17:23.27 | RedWraith | keeps units from searching through them, rather. :P |
| 17:29.02 | depthsofchaos | wuttt |
| 17:29.19 | depthsofchaos | searching through them? |
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| 17:34.08 | ekcolnovkol | HAHAHAHA |
| 17:34.09 | ekcolnovkol | that's funny |
| 17:34.20 | ekcolnovkol | the AOE damage from spells were killing inventory items since the items had health |
| 17:34.29 | ekcolnovkol | brilliant |
| 17:34.59 | depthsofchaos | logical but not practical :p |
| 17:35.19 | depthsofchaos | could be used for a dirability system |
| 17:35.22 | depthsofchaos | like diablo :o |
| 17:41.50 | Helral | hehehe |
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| 17:46.35 | allenmelon | final beta coming in several days?? |
| 17:55.44 | RedWraith | How would we know that? |
| 17:56.01 | RedWraith | depthsofchaos, I want towers to not attack between lanes |
| 17:56.05 | RedWraith | but still have long range towers |
| 17:56.07 | RedWraith | get it? :) |
| 17:56.39 | A1win | write custom attack AI for them ;p |
| 17:56.42 | depthsofchaos | well why not use a search area |
| 17:56.48 | depthsofchaos | with smaller degree |
| 17:57.02 | depthsofchaos | tho the facing is prolematic |
| 17:57.17 | ekcolnovkol | woot fixed |
| 17:57.22 | A1win | disable search from their attack and make a trigger that makes it attack targets that come close enough |
| 17:58.07 | depthsofchaos | but the tower has to be facing the lane |
| 17:58.11 | depthsofchaos | you can do that with triggers |
| 18:00.07 | depthsofchaos | anyone wana make me some icons ?:p im rly bad at ps |
| 18:00.23 | Repo | New map: http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/core-zero/. Core Zero. MeltAge (Manager/Author). Experimental. Approved by vjeux. |
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| 18:38.24 | casperb | heyoo |
| 18:38.26 | Fatal5101 | EVE is only 2 dollars on steam! |
| 18:39.01 | monoframe | +monthly poay P: |
| 18:42.45 | Bemoliph | The 2 USD includes the first month, for whatever that's worth |
| 18:42.54 | Fatal5101 | and if your not bad at the game |
| 18:42.58 | Fatal5101 | the game is basicly free to play |
| 18:43.06 | Bemoliph | So take the 21d Steam Trial, add 2 USD for another 30d, then you start out with 51d |
| 18:43.23 | Fatal5101 | gametime with in game money |
| 18:43.25 | Fatal5101 | too |
| 18:43.28 | Fatal5101 | so free for lifez! |
| 18:43.46 | Bemoliph | Yes, but it's a bit stressful in the beginning to pay that way |
| 18:44.10 | Bemoliph | Not saying it can't be done, though, seen it many times |
| 18:51.36 | Bemoliph | Sorry, it's actually only a 14d Steam Trial these days, but still 44d for 2 USD |
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| 18:55.46 | pierro | Is it possible to either make a unit to block line of sight ? |
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| 19:00.28 | depthsofchaos | look at the los blocker doodads?:o |
| 19:02.36 | casperb | Or the LoS blocker unit |
| 19:03.16 | casperb | same thing really except the latter doesn't have an actor |
| 19:05.03 | depthsofchaos | but i think los is tied to footprint so not sure it can move |
| 19:06.09 | casperb | iirc it's just a bitflag |
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| 19:08.30 | RedWraith | ugh |
| 19:10.36 | RedWraith | I just wish there were a way to make it impossible for units to attack outside of their own region. ;( |
| 19:15.40 | Quartaroy | RedWraight, can't you just shrink the unit's attack radius to however large your region is? |
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| 19:19.12 | depthsofchaos | lolwut theres no behaviour expired event :o |
| 19:19.37 | RedWraith | Quartaroy, the region is a long rectangle. |
| 19:19.47 | RedWraith | Next to another long rectangle. |
| 19:19.52 | Quartaroy | Hrmm... that does become quite the delimma. |
| 19:19.56 | RedWraith | Yes, yes it does. |
| 19:20.06 | RedWraith | Also, Set Unit Variation has a Textures field. |
| 19:20.08 | RedWraith | I wonder how it works. |
| 19:20.32 | RedWraith | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:20.55 | RedWraith | Has anyone even figured out unit variations yet? |
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| 19:25.29 | depthsofchaos | model variations are named from _00 |
| 19:25.45 | depthsofchaos | and in the model object theres one without any number |
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| 19:29.42 | Mokse | can anyone help me with fraps? doing a terraining tutorial and the fraps seems to record only for like 20 seconds - not optimum. or if anyone has a better suggestion for a recording program that'd be cool too |
| 19:30.51 | Mokse | i suppose i could do the tutorial half text/half video...describe what i'm doing in text and then show a quick video |
| 19:31.05 | Mokse | hmm...i'll let this question fester for a little while and go eat lunch...bbl |
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| 19:31.35 | depthsofchaos | its a tiral version isnt it? |
| 19:33.20 | Quartaroy | Just use windows movie maker to combine all your videos into a longer one. :P |
| 19:33.55 | depthsofchaos | or use bittorrent to extend your trial |
| 19:34.12 | Mokse | it's not trial it's just not the full download |
| 19:34.33 | Mokse | and duh...thanks quartaroy |
| 19:34.42 | depthsofchaos | not the full? |
| 19:34.43 | Mokse | i'm just really tired right now and couldn't think of a simple solution lol |
| 19:34.44 | depthsofchaos | i dun get it |
| 19:35.10 | Quartaroy | It's ok. I have the full version, but for some reason it only records in 10 second increments. |
| 19:35.14 | depthsofchaos | maybe you got no space on your hard drive |
| 19:35.22 | Quartaroy | I can't figure out how to lower the resolution or increase the time it records. |
| 19:35.24 | Mokse | it's like...i can have it for however long i want - so it's not a trial...idk how to describe it...http://www.fraps.com/download.php |
| 19:35.28 | Quartaroy | So I just WMMed it. |
| 19:35.42 | Mokse | no my hard drive has like 125+ gigs left |
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| 19:35.58 | Mokse | yeah i got the same problem quart - i'll just use the simple solution |
| 19:36.00 | Mokse | thanks everyone |
| 19:38.27 | Mokse | (hopefully my resolution will be fine - it seemed fine when i did a short vid) |
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| 19:41.54 | RedWraith | depthsofchaos, I mean the texture field. |
| 19:41.58 | RedWraith | I'm not sure what it's for. |
| 19:42.11 | RedWraith | Multiple model possibilities is nice, but I'd love it if I could easily retexture units. :P |
| 19:42.31 | RedWraith | i.e. two cannons of different levels, same .m3 model, different textures. |
| 19:43.06 | depthsofchaos | did you test it? |
| 19:43.11 | depthsofchaos | porbably thats what its for |
| 19:43.26 | depthsofchaos | or in worst case do a model swap action |
| 19:46.12 | RedWraith | depthsofchaos, I can't do a model swap. There's no way to change the model simply to put in new textures. |
| 19:46.34 | RedWraith | I'm not sure how to test it. There's fields everywhere. I tried to test the textures by putting in paths to textures and it did nothing. |
| 19:46.39 | Triceron | you'll need a separate m3 |
| 19:46.47 | Triceron | textures aren't hooked up externally unfortunately |
| 19:47.07 | depthsofchaos | yeah duplication wouldnt work cause they refer to the same texture:/ |
| 19:47.09 | depthsofchaos | meh anoying |
| 19:47.37 | Triceron | any kind of texture change using the same .m3 is going to be a global change |
| 19:47.39 | RedWraith | I'm confused what all these lines about textures are for, though. |
| 19:47.43 | RedWraith | The ones in model... |
| 19:47.50 | depthsofchaos | try it!! |
| 19:48.05 | Triceron | what are you looking at? |
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| 19:48.10 | RedWraith | FieldBush |
| 19:48.10 | RedWraith | Texture Declarations - Adaptions - Applies To File((Enabled)) |
| 19:48.10 | RedWraith | Texture Declarations - Adaptions - Applies To Innate((Enabled)) |
| 19:48.10 | RedWraith | Texture Declarations - Adaptions - Properties Add(()) |
| 19:48.10 | RedWraith | Texture Declarations - Adaptions - Properties Remove(()) |
| 19:48.15 | Triceron | model tab in GE? |
| 19:48.20 | RedWraith | Yes. |
| 19:48.23 | RedWraith | What are those? |
| 19:48.28 | RedWraith | The texture declarations. |
| 19:48.32 | RedWraith | Those are for bush. |
| 19:48.40 | Triceron | no clue |
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| 19:49.34 | Mokse | they probably refer to placement textures |
| 19:49.44 | Mokse | some doodads change the texture of the things they are placed on |
| 19:49.49 | Mokse | i think the giant rock formation is one |
| 19:49.51 | RedWraith | FieldBush |
| 19:49.52 | RedWraith | Variations - Editor Texture Expressions - Expression |
| 19:49.53 | RedWraith | ?! |
| 19:49.57 | RedWraith | That's interesting. |
| 19:50.23 | RedWraith | but how would you know that it does that, Mokse? |
| 19:50.43 | Mokse | because i've used it before and it really fucks up the terrain when i use it |
| 19:50.52 | Mokse | it changes height too |
| 19:51.06 | RedWraith | hmm |
| 19:51.19 | RedWraith | I would love it if there were an easy way to redo terrain, tbh. |
| 19:51.24 | RedWraith | not like decals on terrain |
| 19:51.29 | RedWraith | but actually replace terrain textures. |
| 19:52.06 | RedWraith | My biggest problems right now are definitely the inability to change unit textures and the inability to block LoS for units while making it visible to you. |
| 19:52.27 | Mokse | replace terrain textures? |
| 19:52.58 | Mokse | there's a tool that's actually called exactly that, unless you're talking about changing unit textures and you got mixed up |
| 19:53.32 | RedWraith | changing terrain textures dynamically |
| 19:53.41 | RedWraith | allowing for multiple unit textures with one model |
| 19:53.49 | Mokse | and the LoS thing - you want one player to have their LoS blocked and the other player to not have it blocked, but you want them to be int he same position? |
| 19:53.50 | RedWraith | blocking LoS for towers between lanes in a towers game |
| 19:53.57 | RedWraith | Those are my three problems right now. |
| 19:54.04 | RedWraith | Mokse, I want players to see the other lanes. |
| 19:54.10 | RedWraith | I just don't want towers to attack in them. |
| 19:54.11 | Mokse | oh |
| 19:54.19 | Mokse | i see! |
| 19:54.20 | Mokse | well |
| 19:54.21 | Helral | how many players do you have? |
| 19:54.25 | Helral | Red? |
| 19:54.26 | RedWraith | Seven. |
| 19:54.28 | Mokse | you could put more space in between the lanes |
| 19:54.30 | Mokse | OR |
| 19:54.31 | RedWraith | I know, I could just use comps. |
| 19:54.39 | Helral | then you can just limit it with 2 comp players ;p |
| 19:54.43 | Mokse | yeah |
| 19:54.47 | RedWraith | but |
| 19:54.50 | RedWraith | I don't want to do that |
| 19:54.52 | RedWraith | if I don't have to. |
| 19:54.58 | Helral | hmmm |
| 19:55.00 | Mokse | well it's the only way i could think of |
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| 19:55.04 | Mokse | when i was making mine |
| 19:55.07 | depthsofchaos | search area with 135 degree not big deal :o |
| 19:55.07 | RedWraith | Also, one of the towers is supposed to be able to attack the entire lane... |
| 19:55.11 | RedWraith | which would be a huge problem. |
| 19:55.26 | RedWraith | search area with 135 degrees? won't that backfire horribly? |
| 19:55.29 | Helral | ok then set a limit on the weapon targetting. unit can be reached or something. |
| 19:55.31 | depthsofchaos | like why |
| 19:55.39 | RedWraith | Helral, I'm curious. |
| 19:55.43 | RedWraith | What's unit can be reached? |
| 19:56.08 | RedWraith | depthsofchaos, imagine I place my super ranged tower at the very back bottom right or left corner of my lane |
| 19:56.11 | Helral | you've got pathing. set up correctly for the lanes I assume. let it only hit targets that it can reach on the ground. |
| 19:56.11 | RedWraith | see the problem? :p |
| 19:56.20 | RedWraith | How, Helral? |
| 19:56.21 | RedWraith | How? |
| 19:56.41 | RedWraith | There doesn't appear to be a 'cliffs between' validator |
| 19:56.46 | RedWraith | only different cliff level |
| 19:57.02 | Helral | use a Location Pathable validator? |
| 19:57.08 | depthsofchaos | you just have to change the towrs facing to change the search area |
| 19:57.12 | Helral | not sure how that works though. ;p |
| 19:57.16 | Helral | but it must be possible |
| 19:57.31 | depthsofchaos | turn tower towards closest point would work |
| 19:58.25 | Alpha_vst | gah |
| 19:58.33 | Alpha_vst | blood is hard :P |
| 19:58.52 | RedWraith | Location Pathable, you say? |
| 19:58.56 | RedWraith | Interesting. I'll look into it. |
| 20:00.05 | RedWraith | uh.. |
| 20:00.13 | RedWraith | where are validators located on weapons >_> |
| 20:00.26 | Helral | is it requirements then? |
| 20:01.13 | RedWraith | it's probably the thing in the effects |
| 20:01.14 | Alpha_vst | http://i48.tinypic.com/2d937ea.jpg does the left one look good? or should it be colored more liek the right one? |
| 20:01.41 | depthsofchaos | is it possible to check if a unit is on creep with triggers? |
| 20:02.03 | Alpha_vst | sure |
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| 20:02.38 | depthsofchaos | like how :o |
| 20:03.30 | monoframe | with conditions ^_^ |
| 20:03.37 | Alpha_vst | yeah |
| 20:03.42 | monoframe | picked unit = on creep |
| 20:03.48 | monoframe | or something along those lines |
| 20:04.12 | EternalWraith | I hear Beta is back up on 1st July |
| 20:04.13 | depthsofchaos | oh ok creep is present condition :o |
| 20:04.16 | depthsofchaos | lame |
| 20:04.35 | monoframe | alpha, are the collumns 3d, or just 2d textures? |
| 20:04.54 | Alpha_vst | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:04.56 | monoframe | I mean, the "walls" |
| 20:05.07 | Alpha_vst | custom models |
| 20:05.17 | monoframe | So they're not 2d? |
| 20:05.23 | Alpha_vst | http://i48.tinypic.com/2d937ea.jpg does the left one look good? or should it be colored more like the right one? |
| 20:05.25 | Alpha_vst | nope |
| 20:05.36 | monoframe | Cause saying "models" doesn't designed axis-wise much S: |
| 20:06.07 | monoframe | what "left one"? |
| 20:06.09 | bam_ftw | left is ok imo |
| 20:06.25 | Alpha_vst | the blood... |
| 20:06.33 | monoframe | hurmph |
| 20:06.50 | monoframe | You could make a big splat "scribble" |
| 20:06.56 | monoframe | saying "SPLAT!" |
| 20:07.07 | monoframe | and other minoral vector work |
| 20:07.12 | monoframe | to seem like blood |
| 20:07.18 | Alpha_vst | what |
| 20:07.19 | monoframe | being less generic |
| 20:07.24 | monoframe | nvm |
| 20:07.49 | Mokse | i like the one on the right |
| 20:07.52 | Mokse | more red |
| 20:08.07 | bam_ftw | i think its too red |
| 20:08.07 | Mokse | i just feel like with the black and white texture int he background the color has to be really exaggerated |
| 20:08.11 | Mokse | kind of like a sin city look |
| 20:08.19 | Mokse | over-the-top-color |
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| 20:08.29 | Mokse | but that's just my feeling |
| 20:08.34 | Alpha_vst | so brighter then |
| 20:08.58 | Mokse | yeah, because you're going for a graphic novel/cartoon feel, right? |
| 20:09.14 | depthsofchaos | give it big bloom :o |
| 20:09.14 | Alpha_vst | sorta i guess :P |
| 20:09.18 | depthsofchaos | that works always :p |
| 20:09.31 | RedWraith | How do I keep units from attacking based on a validator? |
| 20:09.32 | RedWraith | >_> |
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| 20:10.31 | Alpha_vst | why cant you just use pathing to stop it? im very confused :P |
| 20:10.44 | RedWraith | Alpha, that's what I'm doing. :p |
| 20:10.46 | RedWraith | however |
| 20:10.50 | RedWraith | pathing is a validator. |
| 20:11.09 | RedWraith | It's not like there's anything in this game that actually blocks missiles. :P |
| 20:13.43 | Mokse | everyone vote for my photo tomorrow for the wall paper contest - at least get me to the finals....http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab223/Mokse_SC2/tribe2.jpg |
| 20:14.03 | Mokse | :D |
| 20:14.20 | depthsofchaos | hmm what alse do i need for having it think creep is there |
| 20:14.21 | Mokse | it was actually a spur of the moment entry...pretty much in the last 6 hours of teh contest |
| 20:14.30 | depthsofchaos | i made units footprint creep |
| 20:14.37 | depthsofchaos | but it doesnt detect it :o |
| 20:15.17 | Jum-Jum | http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab223/Mokse_SC2/tribe2.jpg |
| 20:15.18 | Jum-Jum | there we go |
| 20:15.22 | Jum-Jum | now you can double click the link |
| 20:16.01 | monoframe | Uhm, what's with the near-middle black "line"? |
| 20:16.57 | Mokse | you talking about my photo monoframe? |
| 20:17.01 | monoframe | Yes |
| 20:17.16 | monoframe | I would definately "up" the water line for that part |
| 20:17.30 | monoframe | Now it's more of a divider, for no actualy reason |
| 20:17.38 | Mokse | hmm...not sure what you're talking about |
| 20:17.43 | monoframe | messes up the shot, in my perspection S: |
| 20:17.49 | monoframe | lemme scrible some with paint |
| 20:17.50 | monoframe | :P |
| 20:18.50 | Mokse | it's also one of my first photos i ever took...i think it was my first day with GE |
| 20:19.04 | Mokse | because i didn't want to drop one of my current projects to create a fresh one |
| 20:19.10 | monoframe | http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/8426/tribe2.jpg |
| 20:19.11 | monoframe | here |
| 20:19.12 | monoframe | :P |
| 20:19.14 | monoframe | keke fast one |
| 20:19.16 | Mokse | and because i've been using it as my backgroudn and it's sort of grown on me |
| 20:19.37 | RedWraith | So, there doesn't appear to be a way |
| 20:19.42 | RedWraith | to put a validator on an attack... |
| 20:19.44 | Mokse | hah oh that's just part of the river :P |
| 20:19.53 | monoframe | But it's too dark, too low |
| 20:19.59 | monoframe | So in effect it divides |
| 20:20.04 | monoframe | the whole image |
| 20:20.07 | monoframe | into two halves |
| 20:20.07 | Mokse | i see |
| 20:20.29 | monoframe | It becomes sorta massive-obstruction to the whole seen |
| 20:20.33 | monoframe | taking away the view P: |
| 20:20.44 | Mokse | yeah, from a photographers standpoint it's quite the mishap |
| 20:20.55 | Mokse | but hey - like i said - one of my first screenshots :p |
| 20:21.02 | Mokse | just get me to the finals ; ) |
| 20:21.10 | monoframe | One thing you could do, is by using cameras, go into the "ground" level |
| 20:21.20 | monoframe | and take few shots by making several cameras |
| 20:21.32 | monoframe | That way you can show off more in greater detail |
| 20:21.32 | Mokse | panaramic? |
| 20:21.32 | Mokse | sort of |
| 20:21.36 | RedWraith | depthsofchaos, there appears to be no way to use a validator. |
| 20:21.44 | monoframe | well, being at closer range to the ground |
| 20:21.48 | Mokse | yeah |
| 20:21.49 | monoframe | not so-high up |
| 20:22.04 | monoframe | you don't need to grasp all |
| 20:22.07 | depthsofchaos | you can validate the weapon no? |
| 20:22.20 | monoframe | just place several cameras at different locations, take the screenies |
| 20:22.30 | monoframe | and consult or look for which suites you best |
| 20:22.40 | monoframe | for post-processing in other image-processing applications |
| 20:22.44 | monoframe | like colour balancing |
| 20:22.49 | monoframe | or adding text |
| 20:22.53 | monoframe | or just cropping |
| 20:22.54 | monoframe | it |
| 20:23.03 | depthsofchaos | you could make an autocast ability that has a validator and issues attack :o |
| 20:23.15 | monoframe | Cause for you one, I would really consider removing the left angle |
| 20:23.20 | RedWraith | except it's every attack of every tower :P |
| 20:23.26 | monoframe | too much unwanted black |
| 20:23.33 | monoframe | is kind-of de-stabilizes the image |
| 20:23.36 | RedWraith | actually, that could work maybe >_> |
| 20:23.41 | Mokse | this is getting pretty intense lol, i'm a terrainer not a photographer...but next time i make a wallpaper i'll consider the aesthetics more closely |
| 20:23.42 | depthsofchaos | just do it in data editor |
| 20:23.45 | RedWraith | invisible autocast ability |
| 20:23.50 | monoframe | but still, at least you have where to go :P |
| 20:24.25 | depthsofchaos | other then that is this fucking creep present function borken?:o |
| 20:24.45 | monoframe | There are plenty of dazzly looking model sets in SC2, why not show them off in greater perspective? |
| 20:24.47 | monoframe | :) |
| 20:26.21 | Mokse | maybe for a day or something i'll make super-aesthetic shots just for you monoframe |
| 20:26.28 | Mokse | then pm and have you critique me :D |
| 20:26.44 | Mokse | my projects right now are super time consuming |
| 20:26.46 | Mokse | though |
| 20:26.54 | Mokse | and a little bit boring sometimes |
| 20:26.54 | monoframe | OH how nice, of ya, won't have to pollute and obstruct other people's trigger-talk at all P: |
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| 20:27.17 | Mokse | lol with my 7 consecutive messages that don't really need to be seperated at all |
| 20:27.18 | Hati | hmm thought i was logged in the whole time :x |
| 20:27.28 | Helral | hides |
| 20:28.00 | Helral | thinks Hati is scary..... |
| 20:28.11 | monoframe | I don't have SC2 installed at the moment, but had quite a bit of interaction with the editor, can help out at simple tasking |
| 20:28.32 | monoframe | darn those 10 gigs of beta content |
| 20:28.38 | Helral | lol |
| 20:28.45 | monoframe | How much will the final release of sc2 take? |
| 20:28.51 | monoframe | considering beta took "only" 10 |
| 20:28.55 | Helral | hehehe |
| 20:29.46 | Helral | about 2-3 gig. ;p |
| 20:29.58 | Helral | since all those version dirs won't be there anymore. |
| 20:30.10 | Alpha_vst | grrrr |
| 20:30.16 | Helral | those are totally 8 gig. only 1 of those needed so 800 mb ;p |
| 20:30.33 | Helral | so about 3 gig will sc2 release use on the hd ;p |
| 20:30.36 | Alpha_vst | http://i45.tinypic.com/9vbi4z.jpg Left or right? |
| 20:30.47 | Hati | yup |
| 20:30.52 | Hati | if you look into the version dir |
| 20:30.57 | Hati | it is 8times the game |
| 20:31.04 | Hati | or no |
| 20:31.06 | Hati | 16 times :x |
| 20:31.06 | Helral | the left one died longer ago as the right one ;p |
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| 20:31.22 | Helral | as --> then* ;p |
| 20:31.28 | Helral | or is it than? |
| 20:32.08 | Hati | who cares ? |
| 20:32.13 | Helral | I dunno ;p |
| 20:32.15 | Helral | do you? |
| 20:32.17 | vjeux | right |
| 20:32.19 | Alpha_vst | which one looks better? |
| 20:32.31 | Alpha_vst | color wise |
| 20:32.33 | Helral | hmmmm both as bad? ;p |
| 20:32.38 | Helral | ow ... color wise hmmm |
| 20:32.46 | Hati | ah you was mentioning the blood |
| 20:32.50 | Helral | they should be gray to match the rest ;p |
| 20:32.52 | Hati | i wondered what left /right |
| 20:32.55 | Helral | ;p |
| 20:32.56 | RedWraith | So, there's no way to block pathing between units and no way to make them have validators on attack. |
| 20:33.02 | Hati | right |
| 20:33.06 | RedWraith | Blizzard clearly did not consider this or anything like this. :[ |
| 20:33.16 | Helral | let's see if I can come up with something. |
| 20:33.17 | Kaseano | hi :) I sorta remember a way to fire a trigger from an effect, can't find it tho, has any1 done it before? |
| 20:33.21 | Helral | for Red that is |
| 20:33.26 | Hati | RedWraith: oO Footprints |
| 20:33.28 | Hati | do what you want |
| 20:33.37 | RedWraith | not pathing, sorry |
| 20:33.40 | RedWraith | pathing for missiles |
| 20:33.41 | RedWraith | :P |
| 20:33.46 | RedWraith | keep units from attacking |
| 20:33.48 | RedWraith | between shit |
| 20:33.58 | RedWraith | How do I make an infinite wall, pretty much. |
| 20:34.00 | Hati | ah |
| 20:34.06 | Hati | hmm |
| 20:34.06 | Helral | Kaseano: effect: issue order --> dummy ability. Trigger: dummy ability used. |
| 20:34.36 | Hati | well easiest way would be |
| 20:34.39 | Kaseano | ohh ok I'll try that thx Helral |
| 20:34.43 | Hati | to destroy missiles on walls |
| 20:34.51 | Hati | permanently behavior |
| 20:34.54 | Hati | killing missiles |
| 20:34.58 | Hati | but that sucks :( |
| 20:35.27 | Hati | or your walls are on a higher cliff level or smth |
| 20:37.02 | RedWraith | Hati, not killing missiles. |
| 20:37.09 | RedWraith | Preventing units from ever attacking beyond the wall. |
| 20:37.11 | Hati | yeah i know what you want to do |
| 20:37.19 | RedWraith | The unit goes "OH SHIT" and doesn't attack through them. |
| 20:37.45 | RedWraith | It would make sense to have in the game. Without it, it's virtually impossible to make a map that is oddly shaped. :P |
| 20:38.15 | Alpha_vst | change the map bounds... |
| 20:38.48 | Alpha_vst | idono |
| 20:39.15 | Alpha_vst | i think i got my blood now |
| 20:39.29 | RedWraith | I tried that, doesn't work. |
| 20:39.29 | RedWraith | :( |
| 20:39.35 | RedWraith | It changes it to the corners of the region. |
| 20:39.41 | RedWraith | Not to the actual region. |
| 20:40.31 | Alpha_vst | lame |
| 20:41.14 | Alpha_vst | so you just want it so unit is U WALL U they cant attack each other even if they can see eachother? |
| 20:41.22 | RedWraith | I want lanes |
| 20:41.23 | RedWraith | to be |
| 20:41.26 | RedWraith | independent. |
| 20:41.27 | RedWraith | That's all |
| 20:41.29 | RedWraith | T_T |
| 20:41.39 | RedWraith | I swore you could do it in Warcraft 3. |
| 20:41.45 | Alpha_vst | oh |
| 20:41.58 | RedWraith | Element TD had loooong range towers |
| 20:42.05 | RedWraith | that didn't attack between regions right next to eachother. |
| 20:42.36 | Alpha_vst | can you dynamically give units different types? |
| 20:42.56 | Alpha_vst | might be a hacky fix :P |
| 20:43.30 | RedWraith | oh, no. |
| 20:43.43 | Alpha_vst | but lane one could only attack "structures" and then next one could only attack "heroic" or some shit |
| 20:43.51 | RedWraith | I could, you know, spawn different towers for every player and have hundreds of units in the editor, but that's not really good. |
| 20:44.40 | RedWraith | I mean, I could always make the units invisible to other players |
| 20:44.46 | RedWraith | but that sort of defeats the point... |
| 20:45.52 | Alpha_vst | http://i45.tinypic.com/11ke1rm.jpg LEFT OR RIGHT BLOOD? |
| 20:46.03 | RedWraith | right |
| 20:46.10 | Quartaroy | Left |
| 20:46.23 | Quartaroy | The right looks like paint. |
| 20:46.45 | Quartaroy | The left looks like someone got destroyed, bled out, and the exterior portion has begun drying up. |
| 20:46.54 | RedWraith | left looks like guts |
| 20:46.59 | RedWraith | right looks like blood |
| 20:47.06 | Quartaroy | Guts make me smile. |
| 20:48.11 | Alpha_vst | make the left haev more bighter blood and that might do it |
| 20:49.15 | Alpha_vst | there is going to be a lot of blood so it cant be to you know |
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| 20:50.18 | heysparky | howdy folks |
| 20:50.50 | Alpha_vst | HEY SPARKY |
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| 20:51.11 | heysparky | I love how my nick just works |
| 20:51.14 | Alpha_vst | fuck i think right looks better :P |
| 20:52.15 | Alpha_vst | http://i46.tinypic.com/1hzec1.jpg LEFT OR RIGHT? |
| 20:52.30 | heysparky | right |
| 20:52.40 | Jum-Jum | right |
| 20:52.44 | heysparky | left looks like something's not quite right |
| 20:52.45 | heysparky | so to speak |
| 20:53.00 | Jum-Jum | yes |
| 20:53.01 | Alpha_vst | left looks better alone like :P |
| 20:53.02 | Helral | hey |
| 20:53.06 | Jum-Jum | the darker and lighter red doesnt blend |
| 20:53.14 | Jum-Jum | looks weird |
| 20:53.24 | Alpha_vst | yeah |
| 20:54.22 | Quartaroy | Right looks better. |
| 20:54.29 | Quartaroy | The random white spots in dark blood looks bad. |
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| 20:57.21 | Alpha_vst | yeah |
| 20:58.10 | Alpha_vst | its not all going to be the same texture though but still its going to be the same colors :P |
| 20:59.24 | Helral | Red: I've got it working. |
| 20:59.45 | Helral | Red: gonna do a bit more testing before saying how I fixed it since it might be a bit buggy. |
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| 21:01.12 | Shibz | is there any way to make a loop that, when the game starts creates x amount of points to be referenced later by other triggers? |
| 21:01.19 | Helral | Red: seems to work. |
| 21:02.20 | Shibz | like for each integer "points" from 1 to 200 do actions. Create point at x,y, with name? |
| 21:02.24 | Helral | Map init: pick each integer in 1 to array_size actions: set point_array[picked integer] = random point on map. |
| 21:02.42 | Helral | hehehe |
| 21:02.52 | Helral | well there you have it ;p |
| 21:02.56 | Helral | it is just as you said ;p |
| 21:03.07 | RedWraith | Helral, what did you do? |
| 21:03.20 | Helral | Created a validator: Location Range |
| 21:04.15 | RedWraith | I don't get it. |
| 21:04.16 | Helral | Target - Location - Value: Source Unit. Validator - Compare: Less Then or Equal To. Validator - Pathing: Enabled. Validator - Range: 500. Validator - Value - Value: Target Unit. |
| 21:04.31 | Helral | was typing out what it contains ;p |
| 21:04.44 | RedWraith | Why can't you just using Validator - Pathing in the first place? |
| 21:04.55 | Helral | hmmm maybe pathing also works... |
| 21:04.58 | RedWraith | oh, I see. |
| 21:05.00 | RedWraith | but how do you |
| 21:05.01 | RedWraith | attach it |
| 21:05.03 | RedWraith | to the weapon? |
| 21:05.05 | RedWraith | is what I wonder... |
| 21:05.07 | Helral | to the effect. |
| 21:05.12 | Fatal5101 | ^^ |
| 21:05.13 | RedWraith | but then it'll still target it |
| 21:05.14 | RedWraith | wont it? |
| 21:05.17 | Helral | nope |
| 21:05.20 | Fatal5101 | :) |
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| 21:05.27 | RedWraith | but when I did it it, still targeted it. :( |
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| 21:05.29 | RedWraith | What field? |
| 21:05.32 | Helral | weapon effect can't happen so invalid target. |
| 21:05.42 | Helral | FieldMissile Turret - Longbolt Missile (Persistent) |
| 21:05.42 | Helral | Effect - Validators(Missile Turret Validator) |
| 21:05.55 | Helral | I used the Terran Missile Turret for testing. |
| 21:06.08 | depthsofchaos | does anyone know how to create creep on a footprint, chaning it in the footprint isnt enough |
| 21:06.44 | Helral | depths: did you take a look at the footprint of the zerg buildings? |
| 21:07.29 | depthsofchaos | well buildings just use create creep behaviour |
| 21:07.40 | RedWraith | mm |
| 21:07.51 | RedWraith | Pathable doesn't work, but I think that's because it's point based, not unit. |
| 21:07.54 | Helral | the buildings have creep on the footprint though. |
| 21:08.07 | Helral | since that creep won't dissappear until the building is destroyed. |
| 21:09.43 | depthsofchaos | so i can only do it with this creep source behaviour :o |
| 21:09.47 | depthsofchaos | but i dont wnat the visuals |
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| 21:10.04 | depthsofchaos | i want creep there but only on paper |
| 21:10.09 | heysparky | I really need to finish my scenario so I can move on to other things :) |
| 21:11.20 | Helral | Red: did you try the one I just used? Validator of Type: Location Range. |
| 21:11.45 | RedWraith | Yes. |
| 21:11.48 | RedWraith | It's not working on the |
| 21:11.50 | RedWraith | crucio shock cannon |
| 21:11.51 | RedWraith | :( |
| 21:12.14 | Helral | hmmmm |
| 21:12.25 | Helral | which settings did you change on the validator? |
| 21:12.26 | RedWraith | Check it yourself before taking my word, though. |
| 21:12.47 | Helral | and which validator type was it that you used? ;p |
| 21:12.53 | RedWraith | FieldSiege Tank - Arclite Shock Cannon (Damage) |
| 21:12.53 | RedWraith | Effect - Validators(Unknown Validator) |
| 21:12.59 | RedWraith | to the good validator |
| 21:13.46 | Shibz | Helral, when I set the variable to a random point in the map, does it actually create the point or just move it |
| 21:13.52 | Helral | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:14.29 | RedWraith | nm |
| 21:14.30 | RedWraith | is pathing |
| 21:14.31 | RedWraith | worked |
| 21:14.31 | Helral | Points in the trigger editor are virtual points. they can be used instead of/together with the points that you place on the map manually. |
| 21:14.33 | RedWraith | oddly enough |
| 21:15.07 | RedWraith | I think pathable |
| 21:15.09 | RedWraith | refers to |
| 21:15.13 | RedWraith | whether the location is pathable |
| 21:15.13 | RedWraith | not |
| 21:15.18 | RedWraith | anything about me |
| 21:15.18 | RedWraith | :( |
| 21:15.33 | Helral | yeah it does. it isn't the one that you want I think ;p |
| 21:16.28 | Helral | I forgot to increase the weapon range ;p |
| 21:16.33 | Shibz | So, if I am trying to make a system, that generates points (250 of them in my case) in an array and then moves them to where the players are building their structures, this would be a good loop to initialize the points? |
| 21:16.44 | Shibz | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:16.47 | RedWraith | ugh |
| 21:16.50 | RedWraith | is pathing prevents |
| 21:16.53 | RedWraith | everything from attacking |
| 21:16.53 | RedWraith | ahaha |
| 21:17.22 | Helral | hmmm the validator I use works also for the siege tank attack. |
| 21:17.35 | depthsofchaos | this makes no sense i cant place building on my footprint cause its invalid on creep but i cant detect if a unit is on it -.- |
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| 21:27.45 | Fatal5101 | Good job with that validator Helral. |
| 21:27.47 | Fatal5101 | worked great |
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| 21:38.58 | Azu | yeeeees |
| 21:39.00 | Azu | eu won! |
| 21:39.01 | Azu | :D |
| 21:39.59 | devilirium | hey there, i need a quick help with this: i think i've sat up correctly all the datas, but i have texture where the space should appear O_o link: http://img28.imageshack.us/img28/7127/screenshot002pf.jpg |
| 21:41.39 | Alpha_vst | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:41.41 | Alpha_vst | what model? |
| 21:42.21 | devilirium | well it was braxis text set, but modded it so i can have roads |
| 21:42.35 | devilirium | how do you mean 'what model?' |
| 21:42.51 | devilirium | ohh bg model |
| 21:42.59 | devilirium | braxis alpha sky box, and parallax |
| 21:43.18 | devilirium | sky for fixed, and parallax for not fixed |
| 21:44.38 | Alpha_vst | oh |
| 21:44.50 | devilirium | Also the textures are strange around the clifs - but only in editor |
| 21:44.55 | devilirium | its a mess >. |
| 21:45.51 | Alpha_vst | so you dont want that to show then? |
| 21:46.00 | devilirium | kay - min |
| 21:47.18 | devilirium | http://img820.imageshack.us/img820/4268/editorview.jpg |
| 21:47.40 | Alpha_vst | thats a editor bug |
| 21:47.44 | casperb | You posted on the forums about it? |
| 21:47.47 | casperb | nah the cells are visible |
| 21:48.00 | Alpha_vst | im confused about his question really |
| 21:48.02 | Alpha_vst | so :P |
| 21:48.02 | Helral | Fatal1505: no problem ;p |
| 21:48.07 | casperb | You have terrain, not textures ;) |
| 21:48.11 | Helral | 1501* even. |
| 21:48.25 | devilirium | but terrains are also textures |
| 21:48.29 | casperb | nope |
| 21:48.34 | casperb | terrain has textures |
| 21:48.42 | casperb | big difference ;) |
| 21:48.45 | casperb | i.e you have a child, or you are a child :P |
| 21:48.54 | devilirium | roger that ^^ |
| 21:49.05 | casperb | Anyways i replied to your post earlier today |
| 21:49.05 | Jum-Jum | devilesk |
| 21:49.10 | Jum-Jum | devilirium* |
| 21:49.17 | Jum-Jum | I think its ctrl-W or something to change that |
| 21:49.19 | Jum-Jum | its a hotkey |
| 21:49.36 | casperb | Nope |
| 21:49.40 | Jum-Jum | yes it is |
| 21:49.43 | casperb | Terrain cells are visible where they should not be |
| 21:49.45 | Jum-Jum | I've pressed it plenty of times by accident |
| 21:50.08 | Jum-Jum | its ctrl-t |
| 21:50.25 | devilirium | thanks :P |
| 21:50.28 | devilirium | one problem solved |
| 21:50.56 | Shibz | Is there a way to create a point with triggers and reference it? or do you have to create them on the map? |
| 21:50.58 | devilirium | it was close to ctrl-z |
| 21:51.04 | Jum-Jum | lol |
| 21:51.08 | casperb | Well not really solved |
| 21:51.22 | casperb | As it's just editor ;p |
| 21:51.26 | casperb | the cells are still visible ;) |
| 21:54.43 | casperb | Alpha_vst: any progress? :P |
| 21:54.55 | devilirium | But this sorted out, so now i can go forward with the learning process :) |
| 21:54.56 | Alpha_vst | progress on what? |
| 21:55.03 | Alpha_vst | i have some progress |
| 21:55.08 | casperb | your modeling career ;) |
| 21:55.13 | Alpha_vst | im working on blood blood |
| 21:55.46 | Alpha_vst | http://i50.tinypic.com/2zteywz.jpg how does this blood look? |
| 21:56.05 | Azu | like blood? :O |
| 21:56.14 | casperb | to saturated imo |
| 21:56.20 | casperb | too * |
| 21:56.32 | Alpha_vst | thats the point |
| 21:56.45 | casperb | yeah need zombies to get the feel |
| 21:56.46 | Alpha_vst | i want it to stick out |
| 21:57.12 | casperb | If they're sketchy and desaturated etc it adds some nice contrast |
| 21:57.27 | Alpha_vst | zombies will be grey liek everything else |
| 22:01.09 | Alpha_vst | every time something loses life it will throw down tiny bits of blood also |
| 22:01.32 | depthsofchaos | is there a way to prevent a unit from taking fatal damage? |
| 22:02.00 | casperb | Not sure, events occur after the fact so |
| 22:02.05 | Alpha_vst | nope |
| 22:02.09 | casperb | just instant respawn i suppose |
| 22:02.17 | depthsofchaos | ugly:o |
| 22:02.31 | casperb | most of the code ends up being that :p |
| 22:02.37 | depthsofchaos | or maybe i could make it only take damage on its shields |
| 22:02.39 | depthsofchaos | somehow |
| 22:02.49 | Alpha_vst | yeah |
| 22:03.08 | casperb | That's doable in data |
| 22:03.17 | casperb | i.e EMP |
| 22:04.16 | depthsofchaos | thats different |
| 22:05.03 | Xapti | the blood is too bright |
| 22:05.06 | Xapti | needs to be darker |
| 22:05.18 | depthsofchaos | theres a vital gained on damage taken part in effects that will do |
| 22:06.16 | depthsofchaos | but still not sure if that applys after or during the damage :o |
| 22:06.52 | depthsofchaos | well ill just give it 10000 hp :p |
| 22:06.56 | RedWraith | So, let's say I want to change a doodad so it has playercolor textures. |
| 22:07.07 | RedWraith | How would I go about this such that it actually goes with the map? |
| 22:07.27 | casperb | alpha channel = team color |
| 22:07.29 | casperb | if set |
| 22:07.39 | casperb | diffuse map |
| 22:09.04 | Alpha_vst | you can put team color on anything |
| 22:09.05 | Alpha_vst | really |
| 22:09.21 | Alpha_vst | you just have to switch it |
| 22:09.48 | casperb | ah yeah most existing doodads have team color support |
| 22:09.59 | casperb | blizzard did that for us specifically :D |
| 22:10.06 | Clord | facinating.... |
| 22:10.08 | Clord | lol |
| 22:10.13 | Alpha_vst | lol |
| 22:10.19 | Alpha_vst | i didnt know that |
| 22:10.34 | Alpha_vst | merc building is still in the files also :P |
| 22:10.40 | Clord | very facinating................ |
| 22:11.02 | Clord | ./sarcasm ^^ but yeah... I would probably be more facinated if I was modeller |
| 22:11.03 | Clord | ^^ |
| 22:11.19 | Alpha_vst | lol |
| 22:11.22 | casperb | hm? :p |
| 22:11.35 | Clord | before sarcasm text... was sarcasm |
| 22:11.36 | Clord | ^^ |
| 22:11.45 | casperb | yeh but meh :p |
| 22:11.54 | Clord | meh |
| 22:11.58 | Clord | I meh your meh |
| 22:11.58 | hyarion | anyone here who speaks german? |
| 22:12.33 | casperb | nein ich sprecken nich |
| 22:12.43 | Clord | >_> |
| 22:12.46 | hyarion | : |
| 22:12.47 | hyarion | :P |
| 22:12.57 | Clord | stop beating crap out of english channel |
| 22:12.59 | casperb | or whatever, i always skipped german in high school :P |
| 22:13.03 | Clord | et´:) |
| 22:13.09 | Clord | etc |
| 22:13.29 | Clord | I know one historically often used line but it is not proper to discussion |
| 22:13.31 | Clord | >_> |
| 22:13.43 | casperb | Hey get that latin out of here! :p |
| 22:13.45 | Clord | that is most of my "german understanding" |
| 22:13.46 | Clord | ^^ |
| 22:13.51 | depthsofchaos | bruno? |
| 22:14.00 | monoframe | clord, "DEUTCHLAND UBER ALLES!" ? P: |
| 22:14.01 | hyarion | well, i don't want to pollute the the channel, just need to ask some one who know the language some questions :P |
| 22:14.05 | monoframe | Or that other one? |
| 22:14.09 | monoframe | that special one? |
| 22:14.25 | casperb | Are the germans planning to take over the world? |
| 22:14.32 | casperb | Ahh i see.. it starts with the world series..! |
| 22:14.36 | depthsofchaos | they already did youre a german robot too |
| 22:14.38 | Clord | XD |
| 22:14.40 | monoframe | Germans are planning to take over our water supplies |
| 22:14.41 | casperb | o.o |
| 22:14.42 | monoframe | herpdurp |
| 22:14.58 | RedWraith | casperb, orly? |
| 22:15.24 | RedWraith | How would I set these team colors to turn on in a unit? |
| 22:15.41 | Clord | sieg heil, wunderbar and some others |
| 22:15.45 | WaterKnight | im german |
| 22:15.46 | Clord | I have learned those from games etc |
| 22:15.47 | Clord | XD |
| 22:15.53 | Clord | ki |
| 22:15.59 | Clord | meaning artificial intelligence |
| 22:15.59 | Clord | XD |
| 22:16.03 | WaterKnight | and im my own water supply |
| 22:16.05 | casperb | RedWraith: Make it an ownable unit, make the model transfer team color |
| 22:16.16 | casperb | RedWraith: i.e a real unit rather than doodad, doodads can't be owned AFAIK |
| 22:16.22 | RedWraith | kk |
| 22:16.26 | RedWraith | but what do you mean by |
| 22:16.30 | RedWraith | make the model transfer team color |
| 22:16.41 | casperb | There's a checkbox in the model somewhere |
| 22:16.45 | monoframe | clord, that "special one" begins with "juden" and ends with "raus" |
| 22:16.48 | monoframe | herpdurp |
| 22:16.50 | casperb | as in Data -> Models -> ... |
| 22:16.53 | Clord | it is easy to learn few words of german language when there is tons of games where you shoot germans as "villains" |
| 22:16.54 | WaterKnight | ai=artificial intelligence --> ki=künstliche intelligenz in german |
| 22:17.04 | hyarion | Arthas-zzz: btw i'm back :) |
| 22:17.18 | Clord | :) |
| 22:17.45 | Clord | russians, japanese and germans has common in some games that they are "evil sides" |
| 22:17.46 | Clord | XD |
| 22:18.09 | Clord | USA is usually so good world police... |
| 22:18.12 | Clord | order of Earth |
| 22:18.13 | Clord | lol |
| 22:18.24 | WaterKnight | cpt planet |
| 22:18.47 | Clord | lol and naturally... |
| 22:18.57 | Clord | sci-fi world.... typically USA is dominant even there |
| 22:19.09 | Clord | possibly even owning entire planet or language is used by about entire planet |
| 22:19.59 | RedWraith | I see. |
| 22:20.01 | RedWraith | Thank you. |
| 22:20.09 | Clord | star trek is good example.... there is countries left after war and in sci-fi future entire planet looks like single united country =) |
| 22:20.14 | Clord | yeah but it is sleepy time for me |
| 22:20.17 | Clord | XD |
| 22:20.30 | Clord | I begin to rant when I'm sleepy >_> |
| 22:21.36 | RedWraith | Clord, the people in Star Trek are socialists. |
| 22:21.45 | Clord | lol |
| 22:21.50 | RedWraith | No, seriously. |
| 22:21.50 | Clord | actually they are something new |
| 22:21.55 | Clord | as there is no money in their culture |
| 22:22.00 | Clord | at least not in same form |
| 22:22.24 | Clord | it is more like "earn your stuff without money" society |
| 22:23.03 | Clord | meeting demands of every people to get whatever they want would not work |
| 22:23.08 | Clord | in society without money |
| 22:23.10 | casperb | RedWraith: Meh couldn't find where it's at, but i'm sure i've seen it o.o |
| 22:23.15 | Clord | :) |
| 22:23.15 | WaterKnight | latinum? |
| 22:23.28 | Helral | what ya looking for Red? |
| 22:23.30 | WaterKnight | also they traded |
| 22:23.41 | casperb | RedWraith: ah it's the actor |
| 22:24.09 | Clord | lol |
| 22:24.15 | Clord | trade shit and get weapons |
| 22:25.00 | WaterKnight | i find it always weird how aliens know everything of their own race's history and everybody is the same |
| 22:25.56 | casperb | Pfft easy to figure out things of the past once you have a warp time machine! :P |
| 22:26.34 | RedWraith | oh wow, they really don't have money. O_o |
| 22:26.46 | WaterKnight | well a lot of races are poor |
| 22:26.55 | RedWraith | No, no, people on Earth. |
| 22:26.55 | WaterKnight | and the proud humans are their saviors |
| 22:27.00 | RedWraith | due to post-Scarcity. |
| 22:27.25 | WaterKnight | humans are the morally good ones |
| 22:28.01 | RedWraith | Okay, casperb. |
| 22:28.03 | RedWraith | Thank you. :) |
| 22:28.13 | WaterKnight | and most in universe speak the same language |
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| 22:30.05 | casperb | Everyone in the universe ofc speaks english doh :p |
| 22:30.22 | casperb | even the fish people who cannot speak |
| 22:31.46 | casperb | Hm can't add requirements to game attributes that are defined in another module :S |
| 22:32.37 | casperb | kinda lame o.o |
| 22:34.54 | Helral | casperb: ow you never saw the episode in deepspace nine where the autotranslator couldn't translate what was being said? |
| 22:35.06 | Alpha_vst | lol |
| 22:35.08 | Alpha_vst | what |
| 22:35.13 | casperb | err no :p |
| 22:35.56 | Helral | well it happened ;p |
| 22:37.53 | casperb | oh yeah, saw collectors ed in the stores the other day, around 150 usd wtf? |
| 22:38.04 | Alpha_vst | for the whole thing |
| 22:38.07 | casperb | can get a console for that kinda cash |
| 22:38.41 | casperb | it's like the game and a wow pet.. nice pricing :p |
| 22:39.23 | Alpha_vst | http://i50.tinypic.com/2vn5jdj.jpg what do you guys think? should i change anything? |
| 22:41.01 | Helral | AV: well the buttons aren't fitting in with your layout.... same goes for the minimap buttons... |
| 22:41.06 | Helral | ow wait you meant the blood? |
| 22:41.09 | Helral | ;p |
| 22:41.18 | Alpha_vst | yeah |
| 22:41.31 | Alpha_vst | i stoped worrying about the buttons for now :P |
| 22:41.34 | Helral | looks fine if you ask me... ;p |
| 22:41.37 | Helral | lol |
| 22:41.51 | Alpha_vst | well getting it right has been a bitch :P |
| 22:42.59 | Alpha_vst | i think i will have like 5 death blood splats and like 5 damage splats |
| 22:43.27 | Alpha_vst | i might go as far and make foot prints but idono |
| 22:44.20 | Repo | New map: http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/desperate-alliance-revisited/. Desperate Alliance: Revisited. PhantomTap (Manager/Contributor), BlinkyTheTiger (Author). Approved by xhatix. |
| 22:45.04 | Alpha_vst | so no one thinks it looks bad or anything right? |
| 22:50.05 | Alpha_vst | HELLO |
| 22:50.14 | Alpha_vst | ANYONE |
| 22:51.27 | Fatal5101 | how do i set a building on fire |
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| 23:08.29 | slightlyrandom | Alpha_vst: too much white |
| 23:08.44 | Alpha_vst | to much white where? |
| 23:08.51 | Alpha_vst | nto done with the ui |
| 23:08.53 | slightlyrandom | On that screen |
| 23:09.00 | slightlyrandom | Too damned bright :D |
| 23:09.10 | slightlyrandom | I really like what you did with the portrait, though |
| 23:13.09 | Alpha_vst | lol |
| 23:13.19 | Alpha_vst | the ui will be much darker |
| 23:13.35 | Alpha_vst | and the game will end up with a lot of blood |
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| 23:13.57 | Alpha_vst | its a lot darker than it was |
| 23:14.36 | nicoli_s | i agree, the portait are looks really good |
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| 23:17.17 | Jum-Jum | I hope theres a way to fix those icons |
| 23:17.27 | Jum-Jum | without photoshop :P |
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| 23:20.29 | Repo | 10yabot: 03xorpwnz * r61 YABOT (13 files in 3 directories): [1] New loading screen |
| 23:20.30 | Repo | [2] Fixed problem with units not getting recorded in freestyle |
| 23:20.32 | Repo | [3] Attack waves are now spawned just outside the computer base |
| 23:20.33 | Repo | [4] Fixed a problem with freestyle objectives not getting reset |
| 23:20.53 | Fatal5101 | why is it my building has 2 actors attached to it... |
| 23:21.35 | nicoli_s | do you know what 2 actors? |
| 23:21.47 | Fatal5101 | yes |
| 23:22.50 | nicoli_s | which 2? |
| 23:23.55 | Fatal5101 | i have 2 missile turret actors on it |
| 23:23.55 | nicoli_s | so what data editor features would people like to see ina third party editor? |
| 23:24.08 | nicoli_s | oh so like 2 of the same type? |
| 23:24.15 | Fatal5101 | nope 2 different actors |
| 23:24.25 | Fatal5101 | because i have 2 buildings that look like missile turrets but they have their own actors |
| 23:24.36 | Fatal5101 | 1 of the buildings has only 1 actor and its the correct one |
| 23:24.45 | Fatal5101 | the other tower based on the missile turret has both of the actors |
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| 23:28.50 | Helral | @nicoli_s: I'd like to see some way to preserve the minimap while hiding the bottom UI ;p |
| 23:31.59 | Soudeus | hasnt that already been done? |
| 23:33.18 | Alpha_vst | nope |
| 23:33.40 | Alpha_vst | they made a dailog minimap |
| 23:33.43 | Alpha_vst | but not the same thing |
| 23:34.03 | Soudeus | pretty sure i saw a map that only had a minimap and no bottom stuff, or you mean something else |
| 23:34.20 | Alpha_vst | you cant |
| 23:34.23 | Helral | nope the minimap is build into the bottom UI. so if that UI is hidden the minimap is hidden as well. |
| 23:34.32 | Soudeus | the minimap was up top |
| 23:34.38 | Alpha_vst | you saw a minimap dialog with the ui hidden |
| 23:34.44 | Alpha_vst | thats what you saw |
| 23:34.51 | Helral | you can create a fake minimap, that requires more process time with dialogs. |
| 23:35.21 | Alpha_vst | which is very stupid |
| 23:35.53 | Helral | but I just want the minimap as it is. adjusting the minimap that others have premade with dialogs for my own goals is something I want to avoid. |
| 23:35.57 | Soudeus | yeah, youd think theyd have a flexible UI mod system, not that hard to implement |
| 23:36.25 | Helral | I'd expected that they'd have a minimapPanel (which they do) that can be undocked. (which it can't) |
| 23:37.29 | Helral | another thing that would also work is if they used a dialog Template setup. with which you can retrieve the different panels and their functionality. |
| 23:37.52 | Helral | so you could hide the bottom UI and reuse the parts of that UI (CommandPanel, UnitInfoPanel, MinimapPanel) |
| 23:38.57 | Helral | btw has anyone any knowledge about combining XML with the UI? *goes to look for Tutorials* |
| 23:44.24 | Helral | or how to walk through an xml structure using galaxy ;p |
| 23:45.02 | Alpha_vst | the thing about the console ui |
| 23:45.13 | Alpha_vst | is they would have to change a lot about how it works |
| 23:45.15 | Alpha_vst | :( |
| 23:45.18 | Alpha_vst | whihc is stupid |
| 23:49.24 | Repo | 10yabot: 03xorpwnz * r62 YABOT (10 files in 3 directories): [1] Minor GUI enhancements |
