| 00:00.43 | RedWraith | Why is there no custom value for players, but there are custom values for units? |
| 00:01.04 | casperb | ctccromer: Considered using i dunno, boss bar set current value? |
| 00:01.05 | RedWraith | Seems like the latter would be extraordinarily useful, seeing as you wouldn't have to make arrays for player variables anymore. :P |
| 00:01.19 | casperb | RedWraith: There kinda is, AISetState, SetFlag, etc |
| 00:01.31 | casperb | Arrays of integers and booleans |
| 00:01.43 | casperb | However, can't seem to set them to anything o.o |
| 00:02.34 | casperb | Docs state that "these values may be used in custom scripting" |
| 00:03.03 | casperb | but even with AI enabled, they return -2, or false regardless |
| 00:03.11 | ctccromer | casperb: oops.. was looking at the wrong action. thought i had set values open, but had set boss bar boss. sorry and thanks |
| 00:03.48 | ctccromer | so if i set it to "fear" integer (starts at 0) how do i set the bossbar to show "0/100"? |
| 00:04.18 | ctccromer | "life" displays 100/100, but instead of starting full, i want it to start empty |
| 00:04.33 | casperb | -.- |
| 00:05.06 | ctccromer | I am a noob, sorry? |
| 00:05.25 | casperb | just told you |
| 00:05.35 | ctccromer | i set the value to Fear |
| 00:05.42 | ctccromer | but if Fear starts at 0 |
| 00:05.49 | ctccromer | how will it know to show 0/100? |
| 00:05.57 | ctccromer | Fear is a normal integer, value=0 |
| 00:06.03 | casperb | Set the current value to 0 -.- |
| 00:06.06 | ctccromer | do i need to make it an array, size 100? |
| 00:06.11 | casperb | no |
| 00:06.29 | ctccromer | seems like if i just leave it as-is, it wont know where to get the "/100" from |
| 00:06.47 | ctccromer | doh.. nvm. i see the other trigger says "max value" |
| 00:06.52 | ctccromer | ..sorry |
| 00:07.26 | ProzaicMuze | lol, rrowland, did the changes work for yeh? |
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| 00:09.05 | rrowland | Sorry I've been preoccupied with something awesome |
| 00:09.23 | Alpha_vst | lol |
| 00:09.31 | Alpha_vst | your not awesome :P |
| 00:09.37 | Alpha_vst | kidding you are |
| 00:12.37 | ProzaicMuze | lol what kinda awesomeness are you hiding from us? |
| 00:12.54 | Alpha_vst | http://i46.tinypic.com/e7i0ir.jpg |
| 00:13.00 | Alpha_vst | lol |
| 00:13.27 | Alpha_vst | i need to fix my wall texture |
| 00:14.48 | ProzaicMuze | wewt you added an outline! My suggestion made yoru game win |
| 00:14.54 | ProzaicMuze | I demand credit in the title |
| 00:15.06 | Alpha_vst | UM |
| 00:15.14 | Alpha_vst | i told you i was working on the texture |
| 00:15.35 | Alpha_vst | it was a recreation of the flat texture |
| 00:15.37 | ProzaicMuze | Psh, it was my idea first. I copyrighted it |
| 00:15.44 | Alpha_vst | uh huh |
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| 00:15.57 | ProzaicMuze | serves Alpha papers |
| 00:17.41 | Triceron | we should get a bunch of guys here |
| 00:17.44 | Triceron | and make an uber map |
| 00:17.53 | Alpha_vst | i am :P |
| 00:17.58 | Alpha_vst | oh wait |
| 00:18.01 | Alpha_vst | you mean ok |
| 00:18.18 | Alpha_vst | like my models Triceron? |
| 00:18.25 | Triceron | yah |
| 00:18.28 | Triceron | so you got TC working now? |
| 00:18.32 | Alpha_vst | yeah |
| 00:18.33 | Triceron | i guess tga fixed it eh |
| 00:18.35 | Alpha_vst | i used a tga |
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| 00:19.16 | Alpha_vst | its a 1 mb file though :( |
| 00:19.26 | Alpha_vst | after compression |
| 00:19.46 | ProzaicMuze | haha |
| 00:19.49 | ProzaicMuze | massive |
| 00:19.54 | Alpha_vst | ive cleaned my mod up though |
| 00:20.01 | Alpha_vst | im sittign at 8mb on my mod |
| 00:20.29 | Triceron | yeah tgas EAT YOUR KILOBYTEZ |
| 00:20.41 | Alpha_vst | and my game holds no info but triggers so its really small |
| 00:21.04 | Alpha_vst | i took like 5 mb by compressign the loop of my sound and removing the ui textures for now |
| 00:21.11 | Triceron | I'm starting to stick with dds myself, though the compression really hurts |
| 00:21.23 | Alpha_vst | i only use dds |
| 00:21.27 | Triceron | screws up fine detail |
| 00:21.31 | Triceron | makes it blurry |
| 00:21.40 | Alpha_vst | yeah well my map its ok |
| 00:21.42 | Alpha_vst | lol |
| 00:22.11 | RedWraith | Unit spawning and reaching of the end of the map handled. |
| 00:22.12 | Alpha_vst | so what kinda power up should i make first? |
| 00:22.14 | casperb | what's resolution limit on textures btw? |
| 00:22.19 | casperb | 2k? |
| 00:22.25 | Alpha_vst | ? |
| 00:22.32 | RedWraith | Things left: towers, units, leaderboard |
| 00:22.54 | Alpha_vst | that would be a massive file |
| 00:23.09 | Alpha_vst | 1 hour left |
| 00:23.26 | RedWraith | :p |
| 00:23.46 | Dustin | Alpha_vst, you're the one doing the 3DS max shit right? |
| 00:24.00 | Alpha_vst | yeah... |
| 00:24.08 | Dustin | Whered you get the m3 tools |
| 00:24.17 | Alpha_vst | but im no pro |
| 00:24.33 | Alpha_vst | oh i can do that |
| 00:24.47 | Alpha_vst | http://www.sc2mapster.com/assets/m3-export-plugin-3ds-max/ |
| 00:25.02 | RedWraith | I have a secret plan for the units. I'm gonna see if I can use behaviors to turn random monsters...into levels?! |
| 00:25.05 | RedWraith | or something |
| 00:25.22 | Triceron | levels? |
| 00:25.33 | Dustin | <3 ty |
| 00:25.38 | Triceron | you mean your level is on a unit? |
| 00:25.45 | Dustin | I just need it to make some model changes to my guys |
| 00:25.53 | Triceron | what guys do you have |
| 00:29.06 | ProzaicMuze | semi-afk. If someone needs something ability wise send me a query and it'll ping mg |
| 00:29.08 | ProzaicMuze | me* |
| 00:29.38 | Triceron | http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v293/Triceron/Harbinger_07.jpg |
| 00:29.50 | Triceron | changed the colors around and made him beefier |
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| 00:30.08 | Triceron | I think these colors are working a lot better |
| 00:31.35 | xXm0RPH3usXx | how about this as head |
| 00:31.36 | xXm0RPH3usXx | http://www.aqpa87.dsl.pipex.com/scifihelmets/MFX/who_ood01.jpg |
| 00:32.10 | Triceron | I'm not goin for anything super creepy, gonna stick with something more human |
| 00:32.43 | casperb | half-half face could be cool |
| 00:32.44 | xXm0RPH3usXx | and this is what i meant with crawling on feet and hands |
| 00:32.45 | xXm0RPH3usXx | http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_4A31tGa59CE/SwudlL4ziBI/AAAAAAAAABg/w5F19_ZyQYM/s1600/Thesis+1.jpg |
| 00:33.00 | xXm0RPH3usXx | he could crawl really fast and agile |
| 00:33.27 | xXm0RPH3usXx | which would still be in the ghost theme |
| 00:33.41 | xXm0RPH3usXx | but underline his "bestiality / infected thingy" |
| 00:33.43 | Triceron | I'm sorta thinking of making him half spiderish |
| 00:33.49 | Triceron | like a drider |
| 00:33.56 | Alpha_vst | spiderman? |
| 00:33.58 | Alpha_vst | what |
| 00:34.07 | xXm0RPH3usXx | yeah, thats a lot like an infested ghost^^ |
| 00:34.56 | xXm0RPH3usXx | oh tric, still wanna see more of my stuff? |
| 00:35.00 | xXm0RPH3usXx | i forgot i got a blog |
| 00:35.11 | Triceron | http://www.wizards.com/dnd/images/sx_gallery/98380.jpg maybe like that |
| 00:35.18 | Triceron | I kinda like the scorpion look |
| 00:35.48 | xXm0RPH3usXx | but i think the claws dont fit |
| 00:35.53 | xXm0RPH3usXx | body is cool |
| 00:36.11 | casperb | hydra style lower body maybe |
| 00:36.36 | Triceron | hell maybe I'll do both |
| 00:36.45 | Triceron | have it like an 'upgrade' |
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| 00:38.21 | onetwo | lol |
| 00:38.24 | onetwo | anyone see this thread |
| 00:38.25 | onetwo | on TL |
| 00:38.26 | onetwo | http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=132025 |
| 00:39.02 | onetwo | this response on page 6 is the best |
| 00:39.06 | onetwo | (pasted to pastebin) |
| 00:39.06 | onetwo | http://pastebin.com/vWYiFRQW |
| 00:39.22 | onetwo | "Two of my favorite things are commitment and changing myself. If you want to be my Soe Deschanel, I think you would probably not regret it." |
| 00:39.23 | onetwo | hahahaha |
| 00:39.46 | Triceron | damn |
| 00:39.54 | Triceron | you posted that quote before me |
| 00:40.01 | Triceron | I WTF'd on that part |
| 00:41.05 | heysparky | I read the first line and thought ... Sony Online Entertainment... wha? |
| 00:41.07 | onetwo | ahahah |
| 00:41.15 | onetwo | shes some girl that did paintings |
| 00:41.20 | onetwo | but nicely framed herself |
| 00:41.21 | onetwo | before |
| 00:41.25 | onetwo | whether intentional or not |
| 00:41.32 | onetwo | lol |
| 00:43.11 | Triceron | boy, I wish I had kinda skill |
| 00:43.31 | xXm0RPH3usXx | oh, i think your model is comming along nicely |
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| 00:43.52 | onetwo | http://solidsymbols.com/secure_shop/images/medium/bw_yes_frederick.jpg thats tricerons model |
| 00:43.59 | Triceron | no, I mean to have boobs |
| 00:44.13 | Triceron | -_- thanks onetwo |
| 00:44.18 | xXm0RPH3usXx | thats more difficult, yes |
| 00:45.03 | onetwo | lol |
| 00:45.29 | xXm0RPH3usXx | like this? http://funny.funnyoldplanet.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/man-boobs.jpg |
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| 00:46.24 | heysparky | she's cute :) |
| 00:48.36 | onetwo | heysparky |
| 00:48.44 | heysparky | yessir? |
| 00:48.47 | onetwo | do you think shes aware |
| 00:48.53 | heysparky | uh, yeah? |
| 00:49.02 | onetwo | sorry trying to phrase the rest of the sentence |
| 00:49.03 | onetwo | for instance |
| 00:49.04 | heysparky | did you see how she checked herself out at the end of the video? |
| 00:49.05 | onetwo | look at 2nd vid |
| 00:49.11 | onetwo | she zooms in on chest |
| 00:49.14 | onetwo | like wtf |
| 00:49.21 | onetwo | you cant be that unaware of your own assets |
| 00:49.27 | onetwo | and 3rd video perfect hair styling |
| 00:49.29 | onetwo | and makeup |
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| 00:49.42 | onetwo | i dont want to be mean |
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| 00:49.44 | onetwo | but i would say its on purpose |
| 00:49.47 | onetwo | for attention? |
| 00:49.48 | onetwo | i dont know |
| 00:49.51 | onetwo | but she'll get lots of views |
| 00:50.04 | heysparky | not sure about zooming, I'm terrible at moving webcam... but there's no way she doesn't know she's cute |
| 00:50.09 | heysparky | she |
| 00:50.13 | heysparky | she's totally working it |
| 00:50.17 | onetwo | i agree |
| 00:50.21 | onetwo | well |
| 00:50.23 | onetwo | its her own choice |
| 00:50.26 | heysparky | yeah |
| 00:50.26 | onetwo | might ditract from her work |
| 00:50.28 | onetwo | by doing that |
| 00:50.31 | onetwo | even if it gets 100000 views |
| 00:50.32 | onetwo | lol |
| 00:50.32 | heysparky | unlikely |
| 00:50.39 | onetwo | just look at the TL comments |
| 00:50.39 | onetwo | haha |
| 00:50.41 | heysparky | she's good or she's not |
| 00:50.45 | heysparky | looks are marketing |
| 00:50.49 | onetwo | true enough |
| 00:50.51 | heysparky | she'll get noticed |
| 00:51.00 | onetwo | i think shes pretty damn good |
| 00:51.04 | onetwo | i could never paint like that |
| 00:51.06 | onetwo | my gf could.. but not me |
| 00:51.13 | heysparky | I saw a sculpture |
| 00:51.40 | Triceron | she's not bad with the markers |
| 00:51.49 | Triceron | that sculpture is funny though, haha |
| 00:52.39 | heysparky | instrumental 'Sweet Child of Mine' was shrill |
| 00:52.57 | RedWraith | What value |
| 00:53.01 | RedWraith | does add player to leaderboard even have? |
| 00:53.17 | RedWraith | I don't see how this is useful if we have no way to associate anything with the player... |
| 00:53.48 | onetwo | i dont use it |
| 00:54.02 | onetwo | i just add players 1 to max potential players |
| 00:54.08 | onetwo | then if their status is not playing |
| 00:54.14 | onetwo | i set their leaderboard name to "not Playing" |
| 00:54.15 | onetwo | and make it gray |
| 00:54.36 | onetwo | err i dont add |
| 00:54.39 | onetwo | i set leaderboard text |
| 00:54.40 | onetwo | i mean |
| 00:54.42 | RedWraith | Yeah, onetwo, that creates problems if someone leaves during the loading screen. |
| 00:54.48 | RedWraith | Since it goes one-two-three-five |
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| 00:55.00 | onetwo | dont use pick each player |
| 00:55.04 | onetwo | use for each integer from 1 to 12 |
| 00:55.07 | onetwo | if you had a 12 player game |
| 00:55.14 | onetwo | and do this at time - elapsed game time is 0.1 sec |
| 00:55.15 | onetwo | or something |
| 00:55.16 | RedWraith | but that'll still produce empty slots...? |
| 00:55.22 | onetwo | thats fine |
| 00:55.25 | onetwo | Not Playing slots |
| 00:55.29 | onetwo | is better than |
| 00:55.33 | onetwo | not being able to find out what row someone is |
| 00:55.34 | onetwo | later on |
| 00:55.38 | onetwo | if youre tracking kills |
| 00:55.52 | onetwo | and wanted to update killing player's leaderboard spot |
| 00:56.00 | onetwo | it would find row (killing player) which might be 8 |
| 00:56.12 | onetwo | so yuod want players 1-7 to be legitamate rows on leaderboard |
| 00:56.14 | onetwo | even if they arent in game |
| 00:56.20 | onetwo | even if they just say "not playing" |
| 00:56.28 | onetwo | thats my take atleast |
| 00:56.38 | onetwo | cause otherwise itll go looking for player 8's row and see there is no 8th row |
| 00:56.51 | onetwo | since player 8 got put first on leaderboard rows (if player 1 through 7 quit right away for instance) |
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| 01:06.04 | RedWraith | Things left: units, towers, leaderboard :( |
| 01:06.17 | RedWraith | still got a lot done considering |
| 01:10.57 | onetwo | lol |
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| 01:11.20 | xXm0RPH3usXx | n8 |
| 01:11.29 | RedWraith | Does within bounds actually work for reals at all? :P |
| 01:11.36 | onetwo | no idea :( |
| 01:11.51 | casperb | Isn't it just a macro? |
| 01:12.12 | casperb | actual code generated is just if's |
| 01:13.53 | casperb | I'm rather sure it's just a GUI maro |
| 01:15.09 | RedWraith | oh, nested iteration |
| 01:15.12 | RedWraith | goddamnit |
| 01:15.46 | casperb | RedWraith: find any use for AI custom values btw? :p |
| 01:15.55 | RedWraith | What's AI custom values? |
| 01:16.10 | casperb | You asked about player custom values earlier |
| 01:16.15 | RedWraith | oh |
| 01:16.18 | RedWraith | yeah, I'd like them |
| 01:16.22 | RedWraith | they'd be useful and all that. |
| 01:16.30 | RedWraith | what're they under? |
| 01:16.44 | heysparky | so I eventually ifgured out how to grant and remove cargo-granted behaviors and it's worked with everything EXCEPT spawn larva |
| 01:16.57 | casperb | AI Advanced |
| 01:16.59 | heysparky | on spawn larva it won't observe the larva limit |
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| 01:17.47 | heysparky | I think it's because I've made the behavior periodic, so it spawns in each period, anew |
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| 01:18.33 | casperb | make a periodic validator? |
| 01:18.42 | RedWraith | what are you refering to? |
| 01:18.45 | RedWraith | what action? |
| 01:18.54 | RedWraith | or are they a type of variable? |
| 01:19.48 | casperb | There's a bunch of getters/setters |
| 01:19.59 | casperb | http://paste.sc2mapster.com/1985/ line 20+ |
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| 01:20.56 | casperb | UserString, UserInt, Flag, State etc, docs more or less say they're free for consumption |
| 01:21.14 | Jcup | ProzaicMuze u there? |
| 01:21.26 | RedWraith | native void AISetUserInt(int p1, int p2, int p3); |
| 01:21.27 | RedWraith | oooo |
| 01:21.55 | casperb | GUI will have a more readable verison, it's player, index, value |
| 01:22.11 | casperb | ^^ |
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| 01:24.31 | ProzaicMuze | yeah |
| 01:24.31 | ProzaicMuze | I was away from the computer earlier |
| 01:24.31 | ProzaicMuze | Saw that you got it working |
| 01:24.40 | ProzaicMuze | Also, onetwo, have you started the lighting spells for your map yet? |
| 01:25.22 | onetwo | the what? |
| 01:26.05 | ProzaicMuze | the lightning part of the D2 spells for a sorc, or are you not doing that? |
| 01:26.29 | onetwo | im going to be doing a lightning bolt spell |
| 01:26.34 | onetwo | just a single target |
| 01:26.35 | onetwo | bolt |
| 01:26.37 | onetwo | beam |
| 01:27.28 | casperb | sounded cooler when it was a lighting spell :P |
| 01:27.28 | ProzaicMuze | ahh mmk, I was just asking because I was toying with a ball lightning spell and was gonna offer it to yeh when I finished if that was something you were planning |
| 01:28.38 | ProzaicMuze | and Jcup, what's up? |
| 01:29.24 | onetwo | ah |
| 01:29.25 | onetwo | well thanks |
| 01:29.28 | onetwo | im going to keep it simple for now |
| 01:29.28 | onetwo | haha |
| 01:29.29 | casperb | Hm feeling lazy, don't want to dig around, what are beacons? |
| 01:29.41 | Jcup | I got the damage to all work out for each type but now there is a big problem since you made it so the buff is naturally on the missile |
| 01:30.00 | Jcup | I cant access whether the marine has all those buffs |
| 01:30.19 | Jcup | x.x so now im trying to see if I can add the buff again through the launch effect but its denying me |
| 01:30.37 | ProzaicMuze | Can you explain what you want the buffs to do? |
| 01:31.24 | Jcup | Those buffs are applied when you click on something in one of the talent trees |
| 01:31.35 | Jcup | They provide bonuses to your guns and add abilities |
| 01:31.41 | Jcup | and such |
| 01:31.53 | Jcup | Thats why I have those switches |
| 01:32.38 | Jcup | and since the behavior is added default it makes it so all the time the bullets r passing through D: |
| 01:32.53 | ProzaicMuze | oh, so you didn't want bullets to pass through always? |
| 01:33.11 | Jcup | only when i have the buff |
| 01:33.31 | RickA | Is there some way to dynamically change how long a timed-life unit will last? |
| 01:33.51 | Jcup | make the timed life behavior stack maybe? |
| 01:33.55 | ProzaicMuze | Well, I believe all I did was make the AoE search buff originate on the bullet. That shouldn't change whether or not it can pierce if you have a switch |
| 01:34.06 | ProzaicMuze | What you could probably do is but a 2nd buff on the bullet |
| 01:34.25 | ProzaicMuze | and it killed the bullet after a certain time unless the switch is met |
| 01:34.42 | ProzaicMuze | Thus the bullets would shoot and die at a target rather than go through unless they have the trained skill |
| 01:35.00 | ProzaicMuze | so buff > switch > kill effect |
| 01:35.41 | Jcup | idk like i went back to trying to apply the buff at the launch and it wouldnt even apply it o.O |
| 01:36.01 | Jcup | and my bullets just did nothing |
| 01:37.09 | ProzaicMuze | wait, so when you added an "apply buff" to the launch set it didn't do it? |
| 01:37.18 | ProzaicMuze | I might have switched the dmg or ammo unit used if that's the case. |
| 01:37.28 | ProzaicMuze | Check to make sure I didn't give the shrapnel to the shotgun main blast lol |
| 01:38.07 | Jcup | nope i checked that its soo odd |
| 01:38.28 | ProzaicMuze | hrm, send me a query of your current chain from weapon launch to end |
| 01:38.38 | ProzaicMuze | including behaviors |
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| 01:39.15 | Jcup | sec x.x my editor started to crash when i switch between maps i already happened recently |
| 01:39.21 | ProzaicMuze | lol |
| 01:39.27 | ProzaicMuze | mine does that a lot too |
| 01:40.14 | Jcup | now the only problem right now is trying to apply that buff from the launch location,,,, oh... I might know |
| 01:40.30 | Jcup | since the persistent goes based off of the caster unit |
| 01:40.37 | Jcup | that means nothing is changing |
| 01:41.53 | Jcup | aha :D |
| 01:42.17 | Alpha_vst | lol |
| 01:43.46 | Alpha_vst | this model is dumb :( |
| 01:45.04 | AMtoPM | wat model? |
| 01:45.35 | Alpha_vst | the one im making for my life powerup |
| 01:45.40 | Alpha_vst | i need something less lame |
| 01:45.53 | AMtoPM | What model, what is the model of? |
| 01:46.41 | Alpha_vst | [18:45]<Alpha_vst>the one im making for my life powerup |
| 01:46.53 | AMtoPM | What does it look like |
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| 01:47.09 | Alpha_vst | i plus in a circle :P |
| 01:47.22 | AMtoPM | uh |
| 01:47.26 | ProzaicMuze | pics!? |
| 01:47.31 | AMtoPM | pl0x |
| 01:48.02 | Alpha_vst | why |
| 01:48.23 | Alpha_vst | its lame |
| 01:48.39 | AMtoPM | So we can see what it looks like |
| 01:48.44 | AMtoPM | And give suggestions |
| 01:49.19 | Alpha_vst | http://i48.tinypic.com/ivjrky.jpg <--- i want to do something diffrent lol |
| 01:50.36 | AMtoPM | agreed |
| 01:51.07 | AMtoPM | Will it be flat or stand up |
| 01:51.47 | Triceron | god who introduced me to this damned flash game |
| 01:51.50 | Triceron | I can't stop playing it |
| 01:52.07 | Alpha_vst | what flash game |
| 01:52.13 | Triceron | monsters den |
| 01:52.22 | ProzaicMuze | remove the circle, round the edges and stand it up |
| 01:52.22 | Alpha_vst | me.... |
| 01:52.29 | Triceron | its too addictive |
| 01:52.29 | ProzaicMuze | and make it thicker |
| 01:52.31 | Alpha_vst | nope |
| 01:52.44 | AMtoPM | Thats what I was thinking but I was wondering if it stood u |
| 01:52.45 | madkipz | just be glad your not playing robot unicorn when you get bored :P |
| 01:53.14 | Alpha_vst | its either going on the circle of http://i50.tinypic.com/smt206.jpg that thing or floating above it |
| 01:53.16 | AMtoPM | Keep the circle stand it up and rotate the circle around the health sign |
| 01:53.34 | AMtoPM | oh ok than make it float |
| 01:53.42 | AMtoPM | and if you can add a bobbing animation |
| 01:53.48 | ProzaicMuze | defnitely float |
| 01:53.50 | Alpha_vst | but then i can only give one power up per location |
| 01:53.55 | ProzaicMuze | if it's on that the circle around it would be bad |
| 01:54.04 | Alpha_vst | yeah |
| 01:54.09 | ProzaicMuze | oh |
| 01:54.11 | Alpha_vst | im trying to decide |
| 01:54.21 | AMtoPM | Y only one per location? |
| 01:54.23 | ProzaicMuze | and you can play the medivac's heal beam effect from its center |
| 01:54.33 | Alpha_vst | what |
| 01:54.45 | Triceron | don't make it bob, make it spin |
| 01:54.56 | AMtoPM | Why would you only have one per location if it stood up |
| 01:55.16 | Alpha_vst | cause i cant float more than one above a location |
| 01:55.20 | ProzaicMuze | bob AND spin and shoot lazerz! |
| 01:55.37 | Alpha_vst | well i guess i could |
| 01:55.41 | Alpha_vst | couldnt i |
| 01:55.45 | ProzaicMuze | you can do anything |
| 01:55.48 | AMtoPM | lol go go combining ideas xD |
| 01:55.59 | Alpha_vst | floating above the circles |
| 01:56.02 | AMtoPM | Together we can make the most epic + sign EVER :p |
| 01:56.09 | ProzaicMuze | :D |
| 01:56.13 | ProzaicMuze | ./signed |
| 01:56.27 | ProzaicMuze | @Jcup which reminds me, that fix your problem? |
| 01:57.05 | Alpha_vst | why would i do that |
| 01:57.10 | Alpha_vst | err what |
| 01:58.57 | Alpha_vst | i wish i had a easy way to do numbers :( |
| 01:59.37 | onetwo | http://forums.battle.net/thread.html?topicId=25481990075&sid=5010 |
| 01:59.38 | onetwo | ooh |
| 01:59.40 | onetwo | "soon" |
| 01:59.40 | onetwo | w/e that means |
| 01:59.41 | onetwo | lol |
| 02:05.39 | AMtoPM | I always rofl when I read The wowwiki soon article |
| 02:05.55 | onetwo | lol |
| 02:06.25 | AMtoPM | Soon - Somtime between now and the end of time. |
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| 02:07.18 | AMtoPM | Very soon closer to the now and farther from the end of time Now<---------Very Soon---Soon---------->End of time |
| 02:07.24 | onetwo | haha the funniest one is valve time |
| 02:07.24 | onetwo | http://developer.valvesoftware.com/wiki/Valve_Time |
| 02:07.31 | onetwo | they have specific examples |
| 02:07.33 | onetwo | of exact times |
| 02:08.14 | casperb | how about 3d realms times? |
| 02:08.15 | casperb | :P |
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| 02:12.40 | onetwo | does not exist |
| 02:12.43 | onetwo | they dont even use time at all |
| 02:14.06 | AMtoPM | How's it going alpha? |
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| 02:17.59 | onetwo | are you hitting on alpha? |
| 02:18.03 | onetwo | because of his "shit fuck shit" ways? |
| 02:18.06 | onetwo | i know i would |
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| 02:33.47 | Alpha_vst | wait what |
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| 02:47.48 | Alpha_vst | keeps crashing blah |
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| 02:49.14 | heysparky | dinner, bye folkses |
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| 02:58.07 | casperb | Hmm think i'll have to implement automatic trash talking into any multiplayer map :p |
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| 03:26.19 | Triceron | its so quiet |
| 03:26.45 | ProzaicMuze | makes a lot of noise |
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| 03:28.18 | ProzaicMuze | there have beeen a ton of joins/quits though |
| 03:28.21 | ProzaicMuze | like mad crazy |
| 03:28.37 | Triceron | i quit cuz I had to reboot |
| 03:28.44 | Triceron | I mean, because I hate you all |
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| 03:29.13 | ProzaicMuze | well I hate you too |
| 03:29.43 | Triceron | :( Why?! What did I do to you |
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| 03:34.41 | ProzaicMuze | YOu sucked at life |
| 03:36.08 | Logo | Does anyone have some advice about how to start measuring out distances for a 3 starting positions map, having a little trouble trying to balance the distances along the diagonal angles |
| 03:37.19 | ProzaicMuze | make a triangle |
| 03:37.30 | RedWraith | the point information |
| 03:37.34 | RedWraith | is in the lower left corner |
| 03:37.38 | RedWraith | it's where your mouse hovers over. |
| 03:37.56 | ProzaicMuze | Also make sure grid is on, that helps a lot |
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| 03:38.01 | ProzaicMuze | and "snap to" |
| 03:38.08 | RedWraith | Moreover, your best bet would be to play the map, send a zergling over and see how long it takes between each of them.] |
| 03:38.16 | RedWraith | That way, you know the real ground distance between regions. |
| 03:38.22 | RedWraith | Which you can then use to balance out the map. |
| 03:38.24 | RedWraith | :) |
| 03:39.24 | ProzaicMuze | you could also create one "wedge" and then copy it around |
| 03:39.34 | ProzaicMuze | to make 3 identicaly starting zones |
| 03:39.41 | ProzaicMuze | then customize the center area |
| 03:41.38 | Logo | hmm yeah that might be the best option |
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| 03:45.35 | Logo | If people didn't seem to enjoy 3 player maps so much I'd just say it's not really worth the effort =/ |
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| 03:46.43 | ProzaicMuze | prolly since it's th emost you can have before teams are almost required |
| 03:47.07 | Logo | Well there's plenty of 4 position maps for 1v1 like LT and what not |
| 03:47.38 | Shibz | Hi. hope im not jumping in the middle of anyone's conversation. I came on wondering if someone could help me figure out how to make a warpgate automatically warp units to a specific location based on which player they are. |
| 03:49.40 | RedWraith | hmm... |
| 03:49.48 | RedWraith | you could do unit is created by warp in - blah |
| 03:50.04 | RedWraith | if owner of triggering unit = x, move unit instantly, etc. |
| 03:50.42 | ProzaicMuze | so it essentially "auto-casts" the spell? |
| 03:50.49 | RedWraith | no, no |
| 03:50.52 | casperb | well warp is a target point ability |
| 03:50.53 | RedWraith | so warp-in gets moved :P |
| 03:51.02 | RedWraith | oh, you want it to 'auto-cast' it |
| 03:51.05 | RedWraith | yeah, you could totally do that. |
| 03:51.07 | Shibz | well I want to make it so that they click the unit they want to select, but it automatically puts them somewhere |
| 03:51.17 | ProzaicMuze | ahh mmk, then nvm |
| 03:51.20 | RedWraith | Well, if you want to do it specifically through triggers, create a dummy ability that does nothing |
| 03:51.23 | RedWraith | and then when it's used |
| 03:51.29 | RedWraith | have it cast the real spell |
| 03:51.34 | ProzaicMuze | lmao Triggers vs Data commences! |
| 03:51.38 | RedWraith | on the location you desire |
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| 03:52.22 | RedWraith | I wish there were some way |
| 03:52.25 | RedWraith | to use an action |
| 03:52.26 | Shibz | so what event could i use to fire whenever someone chooses a unit to warp in |
| 03:52.28 | RedWraith | as a validator |
| 03:52.29 | ProzaicMuze | something else you could do is skip that all together. |
| 03:52.32 | RedWraith | err, a function |
| 03:52.35 | RedWraith | like a trigger function. |
| 03:52.44 | ProzaicMuze | So that when they press the button it spawns in a region. |
| 03:52.50 | ProzaicMuze | No targetting required |
| 03:53.00 | ProzaicMuze | or spawns at a point |
| 03:53.03 | RedWraith | But that requires use of *GASP* the data editor. |
| 03:53.04 | ProzaicMuze | No dummying either |
| 03:53.16 | Shibz | i see. i like that, but then i would eliminate the "stock" wouldn't it? for each unit |
| 03:53.17 | ProzaicMuze | lmao |
| 03:53.35 | ProzaicMuze | You could just duplicate the ability and button |
| 03:54.11 | ProzaicMuze | You'd swap the warpgates abilties/buttons for your own versions |
| 03:54.11 | Shibz | ok i follow now so just leave it as is, but have a new button in the command card that will tell the ability to be used at a certain place |
| 03:54.18 | ProzaicMuze | aye |
| 03:54.46 | Shibz | will my new button still show how many are availible? |
| 03:55.03 | ProzaicMuze | if you duplicate the old, I believe so. |
| 03:55.25 | ProzaicMuze | the old thing you'd change is how the spell targets. instead of user selected it'd auto-target. |
| 03:55.41 | ProzaicMuze | If you're really worried, you can leave the old and just modify them |
| 03:55.47 | ProzaicMuze | But if you are wanting to use both, you'll need to duplicate. |
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| 03:56.20 | Shibz | if i change the data to target a specific region, could i use a variable array to differentiate based on which team the player is on |
| 03:56.31 | ProzaicMuze | Yes |
| 03:56.36 | ProzaicMuze | You could even say it doesn't target |
| 03:56.44 | Shibz | so for example players 1-4 spawn in location 1, players 5-8 spawn in location 2 |
| 03:57.18 | ProzaicMuze | Yes, you'd use trigger that does something to the affect of "when players 1-4 uses ability X target point Y" |
| 03:57.27 | ProzaicMuze | RedWraith could help you figure out what triggers to use specifically. |
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| 04:01.43 | ProzaicMuze | yes, RL work finished, back to making tutorials :D |
| 04:04.01 | ProzaicMuze | crazy name change |
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| 04:08.44 | Shibz | ok so i almost got this i think. How do i use a condition that says the owner of the triggering unit is any player from group 1? |
| 04:09.05 | Shibz | it seems like i have to specify a specific player |
| 04:10.36 | Shibz | I got " (Owner of (Triggering unit)) == (Player 1 from Western Forces) " |
| 04:12.50 | Shibz | hope this isn't too spammy... Events Unit - Any Unit is issued an order to Warp Gate - Warp in Zealot Local Variables Conditions Actions General - If (Conditions) then do (Actions) else do (Actions) If (Owner of (Triggering unit)) == (Player 1 from Western Forces) Then Unit - Order (Triggering unit) to (Warp Gate - Warp in Zealot targeting (Cent |
| 04:13.21 | ProzaicMuze | No idea :( |
| 04:13.27 | ProzaicMuze | Red, where you at!? |
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| 04:15.55 | ProzaicMuze | That bum. . . some trigger guru he is. . . not even here to answer teh questions! |
| 04:16.05 | Shibz | heh np. |
| 04:16.20 | Shibz | so your the data champ then? |
| 04:16.33 | ProzaicMuze | give me a min and I'll bash through my trigger module and see if I can't man handle an answer out of it. |
| 04:16.41 | ProzaicMuze | Sorta, I'm good with certain parts of it. |
| 04:16.50 | ProzaicMuze | Pathing and Footprints I'm still ok-ish |
| 04:17.17 | ProzaicMuze | But I can do almost anything involving actors, behaviors and effects. |
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| 04:17.41 | ProzaicMuze | There are a couple of other folks who are great at data stuff too. |
| 04:17.48 | BoltHead | Hello =) |
| 04:17.57 | ProzaicMuze | Maverck (sp?) is pretty good |
| 04:17.59 | BoltHead | I see you got your chain lightening done Prozaic |
| 04:18.05 | ProzaicMuze | lol yeah |
| 04:18.14 | ProzaicMuze | now I'm makin' a newbie tutorial version as well |
| 04:18.23 | ProzaicMuze | since then I made piercing bullets |
| 04:18.51 | BoltHead | awsome |
| 04:19.13 | ProzaicMuze | rrowland and jcup are using them to great effect, should see them in their maps :D |
| 04:19.42 | ProzaicMuze | after the tutorial I'm gonna try some crazy ball lightning missile/beam combo of ultimate destruction lol |
| 04:19.51 | ProzaicMuze | just as a proof of concept of everything I've done so far. |
| 04:19.57 | ProzaicMuze | might post that to the site |
| 04:20.09 | ProzaicMuze | oh and Bolt, you're good with triggers, right? |
| 04:20.30 | BoltHead | not with SC2 |
| 04:20.38 | ProzaicMuze | dang :( |
| 04:20.42 | BoltHead | I'm pretty newb lol |
| 04:20.44 | ProzaicMuze | we've got a question Shibz needs answered lol |
| 04:20.54 | BoltHead | what's he trying to do? |
| 04:21.12 | ProzaicMuze | When a Warpgate makes a unit, it targets it to a specific point automatically |
| 04:21.17 | ProzaicMuze | Like assited casting |
| 04:21.22 | ProzaicMuze | assisted* |
| 04:21.31 | Alpha_vst | no it doesnt |
| 04:21.38 | BoltHead | oh |
| 04:21.45 | ProzaicMuze | Alpha, dummy, ready up rofl |
| 04:22.01 | ProzaicMuze | read* even :S |
| 04:22.13 | Alpha_vst | lol |
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| 04:22.22 | Alpha_vst | watching hulu and texturing 0.o |
| 04:22.29 | ProzaicMuze | hulu, that sounds like a good idea |
| 04:22.35 | ProzaicMuze | rrowland! What's your triggering skills like? |
| 04:22.43 | BoltHead | i'll see if something makes since however Prozaic |
| 04:22.53 | BoltHead | rrowland is pretty good i think |
| 04:23.03 | Shibz | =) |
| 04:23.06 | ProzaicMuze | hopefully lol |
| 04:23.18 | ProzaicMuze | he might be afk though :( |
| 04:23.31 | Shibz | i am coming up with a pretty good trigger im gonna test it real quick and let u know |
| 04:24.06 | ProzaicMuze | mmk |
| 04:24.41 | ProzaicMuze | i'll be able to open my editor in a min when I finish arching some files. |
| 04:25.10 | BoltHead | looks like it might not be too bad, but who knows i'll probolly hit a brick wall |
| 04:28.44 | Alpha_vst | lol you made piercing bullets? i was thinking of doign that with my map |
| 04:28.55 | Shibz | so I got a trigger so far that fires whenever an order is issued to warp in a zealot that it will verify who owns the zealot and then warp it to a location based on the zealot's owner, the problem i think is that, the event doesn't fire until after I already choose a location |
| 04:30.06 | Shibz | i want to make it so that the player doesn't have to choose a location |
| 04:30.48 | ProzaicMuze | I did indeed. |
| 04:31.27 | ProzaicMuze | @Alpha do you want the test map so you can see it in action? |
| 04:31.35 | ProzaicMuze | And shibz, I'm opening my editor now, I'll take a looksee |
| 04:31.43 | Shibz | hey thanks |
| 04:32.51 | BoltHead | I think i might have it Prozaic |
| 04:33.07 | BoltHead | unless there are circumstances that i'm unsure of |
| 04:34.15 | ProzaicMuze | lol |
| 04:34.17 | ProzaicMuze | np |
| 04:34.40 | Alpha_vst | sure lol |
| 04:34.50 | Shibz | your awsome |
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| 04:35.29 | Shibz | what in the data editor tells the gateway to make a unit right next to it, as apposed to a gateway letting the player pick where |
| 04:35.44 | Shibz | as opposed to a warpgate* |
| 04:36.14 | BoltHead | probolly the ability |
| 04:36.19 | BoltHead | warp in unit |
| 04:36.35 | BoltHead | you would mod the ability or change what the button does |
| 04:37.35 | Alpha_vst | yeah |
| 04:37.35 | ProzaicMuze | The ability type |
| 04:37.43 | ProzaicMuze | Gateway has "Train" and Warpgate has "Warp Train" |
| 04:38.05 | Shibz | ooh i think i just found that. im looking at warpgate - train (warpgate) to find where it lets you pick and just change that |
| 04:38.10 | ProzaicMuze | Unit "Train" abilities create the unit at the building. Warpgates allow you to target. |
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| 04:38.39 | heysparky | howdy folks |
| 04:39.23 | ProzaicMuze | howdy |
| 04:39.49 | heysparky | PM... you were trying to figure something out earlier, any traction? |
| 04:41.14 | BoltHead | you know what "ability stage" the warp in would be? |
| 04:42.18 | heysparky | no, what? |
| 04:42.23 | ProzaicMuze | me? um, I dunno |
| 04:42.30 | ProzaicMuze | Do you recall what I was asking about? |
| 04:42.34 | ProzaicMuze | I ask a lot of questions rofl |
| 04:42.55 | heysparky | me too |
| 04:43.15 | ProzaicMuze | I think I've only asked abotu triggers and missile animation speeds so far today |
| 04:43.28 | ProzaicMuze | But I figured out the missile part which leaves the triggers |
| 04:43.35 | ProzaicMuze | Which as a group we're not quite conquering yet lmao |
| 04:43.42 | heysparky | oh, nice, maybe I can help with triggers |
| 04:43.54 | heysparky | oh, wow, maybe not if sc2mapster hasn't yielded an answer |
| 04:43.56 | ProzaicMuze | Shibz wants to make warpgate auto-target a point when used |
| 04:43.59 | Alpha_vst | sparky helping with triggers |
| 04:44.02 | Alpha_vst | oh noes |
| 04:44.06 | ProzaicMuze | We're triggernoobs, so that's the party |
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| 04:44.23 | heysparky | I'm good at pointing folks in the right direction :D |
| 04:44.40 | heysparky | or helping them debug |
| 04:44.43 | Alpha_vst | send me that map 0.o also |
| 04:44.47 | Alpha_vst | you are |
| 04:44.49 | Alpha_vst | i wont lie |
| 04:44.50 | Bomhab | question: can you change the color of creep? |
| 04:45.11 | heysparky | I would like to know the answer to that as well |
| 04:45.45 | heysparky | hmm... I think you can set a Warp Gate's rally point by giving it an Issue Order targeting point |
| 04:45.47 | Bomhab | i've been looking for a while in the data editor and can't seem to find it |
| 04:45.50 | Shibz | i know there was a tutorial to make minerals tint change. that could apply to creep right |
| 04:46.13 | Alpha_vst | bombah you need to edit the texture |
| 04:46.52 | ProzaicMuze | yeah, it's a texture |
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| 04:48.10 | Shibz | heysparky when i set a warpgates |
| 04:48.17 | Alpha_vst | piercing bullets maps now |
| 04:48.20 | Alpha_vst | lol |
| 04:48.20 | Shibz | rally point it says it cannot handle that command |
| 04:48.31 | rrowland | Warp gates don't have rally points |
| 04:48.35 | ProzaicMuze | There is a "when button is pressed" trigger right? |
| 04:48.41 | ProzaicMuze | And one sec Alpha |
| 04:48.59 | heysparky | checking... hang on PM/Shibz |
| 04:49.02 | Alpha_vst | for dialogs yeah |
| 04:49.49 | ProzaicMuze | @Alpha: http://www.wikiupload.com/W4Sx5nm6 |
| 04:49.54 | ProzaicMuze | And here's what I think can work |
| 04:50.11 | ProzaicMuze | Create dummy abilities for each of the Warp Gate units you want it to train |
| 04:50.25 | ProzaicMuze | Have the ability be an "Effect - Instant" |
| 04:50.32 | ProzaicMuze | and do nothing |
| 04:51.15 | ProzaicMuze | Then have the trigger "When Any Unit is issued order to any ability command" > "Order triggering unit to ability command" at target point |
| 04:51.20 | heysparky | oh, wow, duh, I never even noticed that the warpgates don't have rally points! |
| 04:51.29 | Alpha_vst | yeah |
| 04:52.28 | ProzaicMuze | No idea if the trigger would work how I think it does though, someone who's actually used triggers would have to verify lmao |
| 04:52.32 | ProzaicMuze | and Alpha, you get the map ok? |
| 04:52.52 | BoltHead | not sure why the event for ability use can't work... there is all this crap lol |
| 04:53.00 | rrowland | Warp gates use an ability that targets a point |
| 04:53.08 | BoltHead | yes |
| 04:53.18 | BoltHead | I created the actions to warp in a unit |
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| 04:53.30 | ProzaicMuze | Yeah, so use triggers to have a dummy ability cause the trigger to set off the target ability and choose its target. You can do that with triggers, right? |
| 04:53.32 | BoltHead | but i'm struggleing with the event |
| 04:53.52 | BoltHead | I was thinking something like that basicly |
| 04:54.13 | BoltHead | not sure what 'dummy ability' i would use |
| 04:54.19 | heysparky | what effect are you trying to achieve? |
| 04:54.33 | ProzaicMuze | He wants you to not have to target the warpgate. Instead you push the button and it auto-targets for you to a set point |
| 04:54.46 | Shibz | exactly |
| 04:54.54 | ProzaicMuze | An artificial warp gate rally-point via triggers |
| 04:55.02 | heysparky | a point of your choosing, or a specific point? |
| 04:55.48 | Shibz | a specific point |
| 04:56.14 | BoltHead | could be ither really |
| 04:56.41 | BoltHead | well choosin via triggers i mean |
| 04:56.53 | heysparky | does the user choose? |
| 04:57.46 | Shibz | im using the warpgate as a stock of units, that somone can use to summon against another player as a wave of enemies. My whole plan is to make it so that on each "attack wave" all the units that were purchased from the warpgate will be randomly put at enemy start locations and move as creeps to break the other teams defenses. |
| 04:57.52 | Alpha_vst | Thanks lol |
| 04:58.33 | Shibz | think legion td war kinda ? |
| 04:59.05 | rrowland | Why use warpgates at all |
| 04:59.29 | Shibz | i guess i am just making things difficult lol. What would be a better solution |
| 04:59.34 | heysparky | not familiar with it... but yes, I was going to ask a similar quetsion... do you see the unit train at all, or are you using this to debit resources? |
| 04:59.42 | rrowland | A custom ability or trigger |
| 04:59.50 | BoltHead | well its easy to have a unit moved from a location to another... |
| 04:59.59 | heysparky | true enough |
| 05:00.29 | heysparky | you could make them uncommandable after being placed and then warp them out to their defense locations when the wave begins |
| 05:00.29 | Shibz | ok, so maybe a barracks that just moves the location once it's done building. is it easier to make the whole stock mechanic so that only x amount are availible? |
| 05:01.17 | Shibz | just moves the unit* |
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| 05:04.04 | heysparky | yeah, that's a meaty one |
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| 05:04.28 | heysparky | to get the system as-built to use |
| 05:05.31 | heysparky | what abotu giving the Warpgate the Barracks train ability and add the protoss units... |
| 05:05.32 | BoltHead | yeah thats how it was done in SC1 |
| 05:05.40 | BoltHead | i thought you were wanting somthing more specific lol |
| 05:06.26 | BoltHead | I'm surprized there isn't a easy way to allocate a trigger directly to a button |
| 05:06.34 | BoltHead | unless i'm missing something |
| 05:07.22 | casperb | Only screen buttons have callbacks |
| 05:07.57 | casperb | Worst design ever but meh it works i guess :P |
| 05:07.57 | Alpha_vst | yeah |
| 05:08.42 | ProzaicMuze | I've never actually tried this, but rrowland, do you know if the "initial delay" on a persistent stops the periods as well? Or just the "initial effect?" |
| 05:09.22 | Jcup | iiii wanna say it stalls the periods |
| 05:09.35 | Jcup | I think the delay for the initial is a period itself |
| 05:09.52 | heysparky | I tried to alter the Barracks-Train and stick that in the warpgate with a rally point, no dice.. though I didn't give it a queue |
| 05:10.10 | ProzaicMuze | bah, no good then |
| 05:10.37 | Jcup | u could call a second persistent |
| 05:10.47 | Jcup | and just have it give an initial effect with a delay |
| 05:11.20 | Jcup | idk ha |
| 05:11.20 | ProzaicMuze | I was gonna try to have a create run it's periods AND run a destroy on itself after a given time without predetermining the number of periods and leaving it at -1 |
| 05:11.27 | ProzaicMuze | so that it's like a blast that self-terminates after the delay. |
| 05:11.46 | ProzaicMuze | it's too bad effects don't have events too, that'd be soo much easier |
| 05:12.08 | Jcup | it woulddd |
| 05:12.24 | Jcup | Its possible since actor events call upon events of effect |
| 05:12.27 | Jcup | s |
| 05:12.32 | Jcup | but not implemented |
| 05:12.40 | BoltHead | well ProzaicMuze... I got it working pretty much |
| 05:12.51 | ProzaicMuze | the warp rally thing? If so, toss it at Shibz |
| 05:14.38 | BoltHead | yes |
| 05:14.47 | BoltHead | i'm doing a bit of modding |
| 05:14.58 | BoltHead | to make it look right |
| 05:16.58 | ProzaicMuze | afk for a bit |
| 05:20.17 | Alpha_vst | that model took way to long to do caus ei was watching tv and shit lame |
| 05:20.18 | BoltHead | Shibz I think i acomplished what your looking for |
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| 05:25.19 | Alpha_vst | MY TEXTURE CAME OUT WRONG QQ |
| 05:25.23 | Triceron | Damn you Monsters Den, I wish I never met you! |
| 05:26.16 | Alpha_vst | lol |
| 05:27.23 | Alpha_vst | i dont like this model |
| 05:27.39 | Triceron | show |
| 05:27.49 | BoltHead | ha ha Shibz are you back yet? |
| 05:28.23 | Alpha_vst | not showing up in my game either |
| 05:28.29 | Alpha_vst | well the texture is off |
| 05:29.03 | Triceron | that's no good |
| 05:29.19 | Atlos | WOOT |
| 05:29.23 | Atlos | just got netflix back |
| 05:29.31 | Atlos | that means I can start watching 24 season 2 |
| 05:30.13 | casperb | The Show that's supposed to last one hour but lasts 30 minutes? :p |
| 05:30.21 | Atlos | ? |
| 05:30.35 | Atlos | each episode is like 52 minutes long |
| 05:30.47 | Atlos | so with commercials an hour :P |
| 05:31.24 | Triceron | anyone here watch anime? |
| 05:31.29 | casperb | ofc |
| 05:31.32 | Triceron | you suck |
| 05:31.37 | casperb | ty :p |
| 05:31.38 | Triceron | j/k |
| 05:31.43 | Triceron | what's good? |
| 05:31.45 | Alpha_vst | lol |
| 05:31.50 | Atlos | pokemon |
| 05:31.51 | BoltHead | yeah I'm an anime fan... |
| 05:31.59 | casperb | Well, One Piece |
| 05:32.01 | BoltHead | pokemon doesn't count |
| 05:32.04 | Triceron | they still make pokemon? |
| 05:32.08 | Triceron | Okay you are awesome |
| 05:32.09 | casperb | no idea |
| 05:32.14 | Triceron | one piece is the best |
| 05:32.19 | Atlos | idk, I just remember watching that all the time back in the day lol |
| 05:32.21 | Triceron | but I'm already following it |
| 05:32.21 | casperb | one piece is happiness |
| 05:32.24 | casperb | it's blizz |
| 05:32.25 | Atlos | thats all the anime I've ever watched |
| 05:32.38 | BoltHead | Watch Death Note that one is epic |
| 05:32.38 | Triceron | omg the 1 week break is killing me |
| 05:32.44 | casperb | Oh yeah death note rocks :D |
| 05:32.53 | Triceron | death note is old |
| 05:32.58 | Triceron | or did they start another series? |
| 05:33.04 | casperb | Nah it's a concluding series |
| 05:33.32 | BoltHead | its old? |
| 05:33.34 | casperb | Bleach is pretty good |
| 05:33.47 | Triceron | is Death Note still ongoing? |
| 05:33.56 | Triceron | I thought that was done a while ago |
| 05:33.57 | BoltHead | gosh what do you call things that were made longer than 5 years ago? |
| 05:33.59 | casperb | Nah, it's around 24eps or something |
| 05:34.10 | casperb | Last year is old :p |
| 05:34.14 | Triceron | yeah |
| 05:34.27 | BoltHead | well old stuff is the best then.... |
| 05:34.40 | Triceron | over 5 years is 'classic' :P |
| 05:34.55 | casperb | Triceron: looking for a epic long series or a short something 30 episodes and done forever? |
| 05:35.15 | Triceron | I'm going through Gurren Lagann right now. Can't believe I missed this series. |
| 05:35.23 | Triceron | what ya got Casper? |
| 05:35.25 | casperb | Elfen Lied |
| 05:35.29 | casperb | Hellsing |
| 05:35.30 | Triceron | ah, I seen it |
| 05:35.35 | BoltHead | I don't think I'd call something a classic till about 10 years |
| 05:35.37 | Triceron | Hellsing I really disliked. |
| 05:35.43 | BoltHead | Hellsing is rather old |
| 05:35.45 | Triceron | Ultimate was something that spoke to me though |
| 05:35.51 | casperb | oh oh ! |
| 05:35.55 | casperb | Full Metal Alchemist |
| 05:35.57 | BoltHead | alot older thand death note for sure |
| 05:35.58 | Triceron | the way Hellsing SHOULD'VE been |
| 05:36.06 | Triceron | FMA I went through most of it |
| 05:36.13 | Triceron | never got to finishing tho, just kinda dropped it |
| 05:36.14 | BoltHead | FMA rocked too |
| 05:36.28 | BoltHead | I've got every series mentioned so far (except pokemon) |
| 05:37.09 | casperb | Heh a single disk would run me like 60$, fansubs ftw :P |
| 05:37.22 | Triceron | I've only been watching whatever my friends put on when I'm over at their place |
| 05:37.43 | BoltHead | well your friends have put on good stuff so far |
| 05:37.48 | Triceron | I've been holding off buying stuff till the come out on bluray |
| 05:37.50 | casperb | black cat |
| 05:38.07 | Triceron | they put on Ichigo Mashimaro |
| 05:38.18 | Triceron | and I had to get it. |
| 05:38.28 | Triceron | it's such a stupidly charming series |
| 05:39.31 | Triceron | does anyone follow Naruto? like the latest stuff? |
| 05:39.41 | casperb | Lost track after shippuden |
| 05:39.45 | BoltHead | I kinda dropped off since Shupudin |
| 05:39.46 | Triceron | or bleach? |
| 05:39.49 | BoltHead | ha ha |
| 05:39.51 | Triceron | isn't it Shippuden right now? |
| 05:39.54 | casperb | Yep |
| 05:39.54 | BoltHead | spell fail |
| 05:40.02 | casperb | To many fillers so kinda never got back into it :p |
| 05:40.06 | Triceron | ah |
| 05:40.09 | BoltHead | yeah its been Shippuden for a couple of years now |
| 05:40.11 | Triceron | I never started shippuden |
| 05:40.17 | Triceron | but still curious how the series is |
| 05:40.29 | BoltHead | Shippuden is when it whent back to following the manga after all the fillers |
| 05:40.35 | casperb | yep |
| 05:40.41 | Triceron | I watched ONE episode of Shippuden, after being urged by a friend |
| 05:40.56 | BoltHead | I watched ONE episode of bleach |
| 05:41.10 | BoltHead | Loved it laughed alot, then never watched more |
| 05:41.11 | casperb | watch atleast the very first arc of bleach |
| 05:41.21 | BoltHead | it was the first ep |
| 05:41.37 | casperb | It's epic :P |
| 05:41.41 | BoltHead | what is arc? |
| 05:41.51 | Alpha_vst | lol bleach is good |
| 05:41.59 | Triceron | and it had some dude talking about dicks |
| 05:42.05 | Triceron | and I stopped watching after that |
| 05:42.23 | Alpha_vst | lol what |
| 05:42.24 | Triceron | I never got into Bleach |
| 05:42.32 | BoltHead | penis... scary |
| 05:42.36 | Alpha_vst | i watched all of chobits also 0.o |
| 05:42.47 | casperb | Triceron: ah heh it's a bad translation |
| 05:42.48 | BoltHead | Chobits was rather intersting |
| 05:42.51 | BoltHead | i watched all that too |
| 05:42.54 | Alpha_vst | it was |
| 05:43.18 | Triceron | friends seem big on K-on, Fate/Stay |
| 05:43.24 | Triceron | I can't get into that stuff |
| 05:43.58 | Alpha_vst | i need a better way to show power up or better models lol |
| 05:44.06 | Triceron | glows |
| 05:44.12 | Triceron | emissive maps :D |
| 05:44.25 | Triceron | emissives are your frieennnddsss |
| 05:44.33 | casperb | SC2 materials are keyable right? |
| 05:44.44 | picklefish1 | anyone else having internet problems? |
| 05:44.46 | Triceron | the exporter probably doesn't support that |
| 05:44.51 | Alpha_vst | my map doesnt glow |
| 05:45.11 | Alpha_vst | i took out the glow to make everything more flat |
| 05:45.26 | BoltHead | I liked claymore |
| 05:45.33 | Alpha_vst | what |
| 05:45.42 | Triceron | there needs to be more anime like One Piece |
| 05:45.50 | casperb | aye |
| 05:45.54 | casperb | Think it's still ongoing t ho |
| 05:45.56 | casperb | tho * |
| 05:46.03 | casperb | just no fansub |
| 05:46.06 | Triceron | yeah, I'm caught up |
| 05:46.12 | Triceron | there is |
| 05:46.18 | Triceron | Funimation does it officially |
| 05:46.29 | casperb | ah |
| 05:46.31 | Triceron | it's REALLY wierd watching fansubs on an official ste. |
| 05:46.33 | Alpha_vst | never watched one piece |
| 05:46.43 | casperb | Alpha_vst: shame on you |
| 05:46.49 | Triceron | hands down my favourite anime ever |
| 05:46.56 | Triceron | and that's saying a lot. I think. |
| 05:46.59 | Alpha_vst | i watched death note? |
| 05:47.14 | Triceron | death note doesn't have pirates |
| 05:47.38 | BoltHead | lmao |
| 05:47.55 | casperb | one piece even has sky pirates! |
| 05:48.20 | casperb | Also death note doesn't have chopper :P |
| 05:48.27 | Triceron | did you know |
| 05:48.33 | Triceron | the voice actress for Chopper |
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| 05:48.41 | Triceron | is the same one for Pikachu? |
| 05:48.42 | Alpha_vst | but thats why i didnt want to watch it cause of pirates |
| 05:49.24 | Triceron | you should though, it's a great series |
| 05:49.41 | casperb | Triceron: Uhm, it's not like pihachu ever says anything except 'pika'? :p |
| 05:49.42 | Triceron | I don't really know what it is though that gets me hooked |
| 05:50.11 | casperb | It's dunno, good story telling veiled with some ass kicking? :p |
| 05:50.21 | Triceron | yeah, I guess that |
| 05:50.21 | Triceron | haha |
| 05:50.37 | Triceron | are you caught up to the series? |
| 05:50.41 | Triceron | or you stop? |
| 05:50.56 | casperb | nah stopped around where kaizoku stopped subbing |
| 05:51.01 | Triceron | ahh |
| 05:51.36 | Triceron | the craaaaziiiest arc just got finished a few weeks back in the manga |
| 05:53.43 | casperb | OT, is it like required for gamers to be a'holes? :P |
| 05:53.56 | Triceron | depends on what type of gamer |
| 05:54.01 | Triceron | you speaking about hardcore? |
| 05:54.27 | casperb | In SC it isn't that bad, been playing LoL and basically you get bitched at if you win, and loose :P |
| 05:54.49 | Triceron | if you win? |
| 05:54.50 | Triceron | seriously? |
| 05:55.12 | casperb | Usually get cussed out etc |
| 05:56.24 | Triceron | I've not played LoL |
| 05:56.27 | Triceron | or HoN |
| 05:56.38 | Triceron | DotA was too addicting for me |
| 05:56.43 | casperb | hehe |
| 05:56.47 | casperb | 200 or so matches in LoL o.o |
| 05:56.52 | heysparky | those dota-style games attract a type of douchery unprecedented in all of gaming |
| 05:56.53 | Triceron | I'm kinda glad I broke WoW and DotA addictions |
| 05:56.58 | Triceron | but damn this Monster Den |
| 05:57.20 | casperb | flash game? |
| 05:57.38 | Triceron | yeah |
| 05:57.43 | Triceron | its like old school dungeon crawl RPG |
| 05:57.54 | Triceron | but their item system is like diablo/WoW generated |
| 05:58.20 | Triceron | so I've been farming epics and legendaries in a stupid ass flash game |
| 05:58.22 | Triceron | i'm so ocd |
| 05:58.28 | casperb | lol |
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| 05:59.58 | heysparky | lol, break the cycle |
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| 06:00.38 | Triceron | yeah |
| 06:00.43 | Triceron | I'm learning my lesson though |
| 06:00.58 | cb|roflstomping | never ending rpg's suck? :p |
| 06:00.59 | Triceron | 'Don't click on Alpha_vst's links' |
| 06:01.06 | cb|roflstomping | ah |
| 06:01.17 | heysparky | lol |
| 06:01.28 | Alpha_vst | LOL |
| 06:04.39 | Triceron | I might go back to WoW tho |
| 06:05.01 | Triceron | I haven't played in like 6 months. I wanna make it a full year, but Cataclysm is starting to interest me |
| 06:12.54 | ProzaicMuze | lol I've figured out what I'm going to do next after I finish the tutorial. Grenades! |
| 06:13.08 | Nevir | Cluster bomb! |
| 06:13.12 | ProzaicMuze | . . . |
| 06:13.14 | ProzaicMuze | Grenades! |
| 06:13.15 | Nevir | lol :P |
| 06:13.24 | Alpha_vst | lol |
| 06:13.44 | Nevir | Hmm, here's a fun one: How can you grab the path to the icon of a unit type? Particularly in a performant manner, since it's stored in actor data. :-/ Or alternatively, are there any tricks to making a dialog item w/ a unit's icon? |
| 06:14.31 | ProzaicMuze | as in where do you find the icons> |
| 06:14.32 | Nevir | So far, the "best" (only) method that seems to be exposed is to walk the entire actors catalog and look for ones that have a UnitBirth.<UnitName> event... I could do that on start and cache it, I guess, but that really sucks. |
| 06:14.35 | ProzaicMuze | ?* |
| 06:14.36 | Triceron | Jimmy fallon has his own show? |
| 06:14.43 | Nevir | I want to be able to get an icon given a unit type |
| 06:14.50 | Nevir | in a trigger |
| 06:14.54 | ProzaicMuze | ah, then no clue |
| 06:14.57 | ProzaicMuze | I'm a data junkie |
| 06:15.01 | Nevir | Well, end goal is to display the unit's icon on a button, if there's any tricks there |
| 06:15.16 | ProzaicMuze | You can always just make the button and give it a custom icon |
| 06:15.37 | Nevir | Yeah, I'd like to avoid hard coding it though - would much rather set the icons in the data editor and not have to mess w/ my triggers :P |
| 06:16.06 | ProzaicMuze | ??? That didn't make sense |
| 06:16.24 | ProzaicMuze | Setting the icon in the data editor is what I just recommended |
| 06:16.51 | Nevir | Right, but I also want to display that same icon on a custom dialog |
| 06:17.11 | ProzaicMuze | can't you just tell it to display "...icon.dds |
| 06:17.13 | ProzaicMuze | " |
| 06:17.49 | Nevir | Hmm, I'll have to see how consistent the file names are - good thought! |
| 06:18.49 | ProzaicMuze | they're very consistent |
| 06:18.59 | Alpha_vst | yeah they are |
| 06:19.05 | ProzaicMuze | Just find the "btn.unit.whatever.dds" |
| 06:19.28 | ProzaicMuze | er btn-unit-whatever.dds lmao |
| 06:19.48 | ProzaicMuze | just go to the buttons tab and view the icons by trying to change an icon. |
| 06:19.54 | ProzaicMuze | When you find the one you want, just remember the name |
| 06:23.24 | Triceron | I miss monotone icons |
| 06:23.56 | Triceron | the icons in color are so warcrafty |
| 06:30.46 | Alpha_vst | lol |
| 06:43.55 | Alpha_vst | i have to redo all my icons for my game also :P |
| 06:44.04 | Alpha_vst | im going out fucking out |
| 06:45.08 | heysparky | that's not a sentence |
| 06:47.20 | ProzaicMuze | Man I've just conceived a super battlecruiser! |
| 06:47.23 | ProzaicMuze | Hawtness! |
| 06:47.33 | cb|roflstomping | did it hurt? o.o |
| 06:49.25 | ProzaicMuze | Conceiving never hurts ;) |
| 06:49.36 | ProzaicMuze | Birthing. . . . well let's just say that poor momma will never see it comin' ;) |
| 06:55.41 | Triceron | super battle cruiser? |
| 06:55.49 | Repo | 10yabot: 03vlovsky * r43 YABOT (9 files in 3 directories): [1] Added implicit food count support |
| 06:55.50 | Repo | [2] Implemented "command queued" verification. Still need to test it. |
| 07:00.10 | ProzaicMuze | yep, part of my tutorial |
| 07:00.16 | ProzaicMuze | It's 4 parts from easy to harder |
| 07:00.48 | BoltHead | anything exciting happening? |
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| 07:01.07 | ProzaicMuze | Part 1: Guy who shoots beam, Part 2: vehicle that shoots beam that splits, Part 3: Structure that shoots beam that chains, Part 4: Battlecruiser that does 1-3 combined |
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| 07:01.21 | ProzaicMuze | If people don't know how to use beams after I finish this tutorial, they're fools :( |
| 07:01.28 | Helral | morning all |
| 07:01.31 | ProzaicMuze | howdy |
| 07:01.45 | rrowland | sup broski |
| 07:01.46 | BoltHead | you should say that in your tutorial |
| 07:01.49 | ProzaicMuze | lmao |
| 07:02.14 | ProzaicMuze | so that I can be all arrogant and demeaning? Could be some good rep ;) |
| 07:02.24 | rrowland | Works for me |
| 07:03.28 | ProzaicMuze | lol |
| 07:05.17 | BoltHead | i was joking =) |
| 07:05.36 | BoltHead | I need to find some graphpaper |
| 07:06.04 | Alpha_vst | why |
| 07:06.15 | rrowland | to graph stuff |
| 07:06.16 | rrowland | I bet |
| 07:06.29 | Alpha_vst | silly |
| 07:10.06 | Repo | Knowledge base page update: http://www.sc2mapster.com/api-docs/tutorials/ by Helral |
| 07:11.18 | Repo | 10sc2-map-analyzer: 03dimfish * r2 / (31 files in 1 directory): Moving from SourceForge to SC2Mapster |
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| 07:23.32 | heysparky | creep is sorta a pisser for carefully painted spaceplatform terrain |
| 07:24.04 | ProzaicMuze | lol |
| 07:24.29 | Dustin | - No Cross-region play |
| 07:24.30 | Dustin | ... and we just announced that cross-region play is definitely in our plans. |
| 07:24.30 | Dustin | Nice |
| 07:25.33 | Repo | Knowledge base page update: http://www.sc2mapster.com/api-docs/tutorials/ by Helral |
| 07:27.44 | ProzaicMuze | no cross-region has been known for a while. Just like all the other stupid things blizzard is doing. |
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| 07:50.18 | Sixen | woo, i'm alive. |
| 07:50.27 | Sixen | dimfish, that looks interesting. |
| 07:50.52 | Sixen | Hum? Cross Region has been something they said would potentially come later. |
| 07:51.15 | BoltHead | whats 'no cross-region'? |
| 07:51.55 | Hati | i don't like dentalists |
| 07:53.01 | BoltHead | hows it going =) |
| 07:54.18 | Clord | guy searched sc2mapster for challenging AI and then there in battle.net forums was suggestion how "green tea AI" is most challenging |
| 07:54.20 | Clord | lol |
| 07:54.24 | Hati | http://www.sc2mapster.com/assets/sc2-map-analyzer/ |
| 07:54.26 | Hati | fancy :D |
| 07:54.40 | Clord | gimmick |
| 07:55.43 | Clord | nice |
| 07:55.47 | Clord | better than I thought |
| 07:55.51 | Clord | when I looked images |
| 07:56.01 | Clord | WCIII never got this advanced tool released even |
| 07:56.02 | Clord | lol |
| 07:57.11 | Clord | shows how completely fair mirrror maps is bullshit |
| 07:57.12 | Clord | ^^ |
| 07:58.33 | Clord | this game has tons minor details what still destroys mirror maps |
| 07:58.35 | Sixen | clord, link? |
| 07:58.52 | Clord | http://www.sc2mapster.com/assets/sc2-map-analyzer/images/3-scrap-station-bases/ |
| 07:59.04 | Sixen | I meant the Green Tea AI guy |
| 07:59.09 | Sixen | But yeah, looking at that now too :p |
| 07:59.16 | Clord | there is that famous scrap station unbalance shown what is told even in forums |
| 07:59.17 | Clord | ^^ |
| 07:59.27 | Sixen | dimfish, this is awesome |
| 07:59.29 | Clord | look north player area... west side |
| 07:59.36 | Clord | XD |
| 07:59.39 | Clord | compare it to other |
| 07:59.40 | Clord | lol |
| 07:59.43 | Sixen | he's not even here :( |
| 08:00.01 | Sixen | lolyeah |
| 08:00.01 | Clord | http://sc2.nibbits.com/assets/green-tea-ai/ |
| 08:00.09 | Sixen | (12:54:17 AM) Clord: guy searched sc2mapster for challenging AI and then there in battle.net forums was suggestion how "green tea AI" is most challenging |
| 08:00.12 | BoltHead | well thats quite interesting |
| 08:00.13 | Sixen | The bnet forums thread :P |
| 08:01.40 | BoltHead | whats the unbalance? |
| 08:01.48 | Clord | http://forums.battle.net/thread.html?topicId=25482050429&sid=3000 |
| 08:01.56 | Fisker | i'm always killing you Sixen |
| 08:02.07 | *** join/#sc2mapster Repo (~supybot@repos.curseforge.net) |
| 08:03.13 | Clord | people started notice that scrap station terrain mirroring unbalance when there was strategies to take advantage of it against other player.... there can be putted nice base up secretly and destroy enemy |
| 08:03.35 | Clord | but other player can't do same |
| 08:03.36 | Clord | XD |
| 08:04.07 | Sixen | Thansks clord :p |
| 08:04.53 | BoltHead | I don't quite understand ha ha |
| 08:05.10 | Clord | maybe I need to paint circle for you |
| 08:05.27 | BoltHead | lol |
| 08:05.55 | Jum-Jum | Sixen |
| 08:05.58 | Fisker | this sucks Sixen |
| 08:06.14 | Jum-Jum | You do realize that with green tea ai you only need to install the AI, then just drag and drop the maps on the starcraft2.exe |
| 08:07.31 | Clord | that AI relies to typical.... cheating AI to be effective |
| 08:07.33 | Clord | ;) |
| 08:07.55 | Sixen | :O |
| 08:08.09 | Sixen | "install the AI" |
| 08:08.11 | Sixen | is what the problem is |
| 08:08.25 | Sixen | There should be no installing |
| 08:08.57 | Fisker | you know what's awesome Sixen? |
| 08:09.01 | Clord | assuming AI would have ensured that it does not run out resources... it could barracks spam until win |
| 08:09.03 | Fisker | Having the flu while having a nosebleed |
| 08:09.29 | Fisker | nothing like a pool of blood lying in your mouth that you can barely swallow cause it hurts ;_; |
| 08:10.10 | Sixen | =O |
| 08:10.13 | *** join/#sc2mapster Repo (~supybot@repos.curseforge.net) |
| 08:10.16 | Jum-Jum | thats disgusting |
| 08:10.50 | Fisker | indeed it is |
| 08:11.26 | Jum-Jum | zerg creep in ya nose |
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| 08:12.26 | *** mode/#sc2mapster [+v onetwo] by ChanServ |
| 08:12.31 | onetwo | and im back |
| 08:13.08 | Sixen | ohai 12 |
| 08:13.09 | Clord | so? |
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| 08:13.12 | Clord | ^^ |
| 08:13.17 | onetwo | im a god |
| 08:13.19 | onetwo | you must greet me |
| 08:13.22 | onetwo | SHEESH |
| 08:13.22 | ekcolnvkol | NO |
| 08:13.23 | ekcolnvkol | I'M A GOD |
| 08:13.26 | ekcolnvkol | WE MUST FIGHT |
| 08:13.28 | onetwo | yes sir |
| 08:13.30 | onetwo | im a pushover |
| 08:13.31 | ekcolnvkol | throws thunder |
| 08:13.35 | Clord | god of what? |
| 08:13.35 | ekcolnvkol | wtf MY NICK |
| 08:13.40 | Clord | fire, ice, water, air? |
| 08:13.41 | Clord | XD |
| 08:13.48 | ekcolnovkol | i am the god of language |
| 08:13.48 | Clord | war, peace |
| 08:13.51 | ekcolnovkol | :O |
| 08:14.16 | ekcolnovkol | when the tower of babel was built i threw the world into chaos |
| 08:14.27 | Sixen | You beast. |
| 08:14.32 | ekcolnovkol | oh yes |
| 08:14.34 | Clord | so it WAS built? |
| 08:14.37 | Clord | then where is your chaos |
| 08:14.38 | Clord | XD |
| 08:14.42 | Clord | it is lagging out? |
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| 08:14.54 | onetwo | when the tower of (2005 star studded, oscar winning movie set in middle east) was built i threw earth into chaos |
| 08:14.54 | ekcolnovkol | what's that supposed to mean |
| 08:14.55 | ekcolnovkol | o.O |
| 08:15.13 | Clord | he is god of trickery and deception |
| 08:15.14 | Clord | ^^ |
| 08:15.19 | Clord | he didn't |
| 08:15.40 | Clord | lol |
| 08:15.46 | Clord | anyways |
| 08:15.51 | Clord | typical movie or game plot line |
| 08:16.01 | Clord | god or something wanting to become one is threatening the world peace |
| 08:16.05 | Clord | and heroes come up from ass |
| 08:16.08 | Clord | some back water village |
| 08:16.09 | Clord | XD |
| 08:16.31 | Clord | also everyone who will be hero somehow does everything free |
| 08:16.36 | Clord | and they don't question main hero |
| 08:16.56 | ekcolnovkol | whoever came up with superman was insane |
| 08:17.03 | ekcolnovkol | and we're insane for considering him our greatest superhero |
| 08:17.05 | ekcolnovkol | ;/ |
| 08:17.08 | ekcolnovkol | i mean really |
| 08:17.10 | ekcolnovkol | red spandex? |
| 08:17.12 | Clord | also when someothing in RPG games is told to party... they about 99.99% times believe everything told them is the truth |
| 08:17.13 | ekcolnovkol | ;o |
| 08:17.38 | Clord | also RPG games... unwritten rule is that NPC characters can't lie |
| 08:17.40 | Clord | ^^ |
| 08:17.46 | Clord | unless it is made obvious |
| 08:18.08 | Clord | superman is ultimate noob hero |
| 08:18.10 | Clord | honestly |
| 08:18.14 | Clord | he is most powerful |
| 08:18.16 | Clord | but fails still |
| 08:18.30 | ekcolnovkol | he gets owned by crystallized mountain dew |
| 08:18.33 | ekcolnovkol | :/ |
| 08:18.33 | Sixen | NPC's are liars. |
| 08:19.10 | Clord | superman gives openings |
| 08:19.23 | Clord | and not take advantage of his insane speed to never see it coming |
| 08:19.23 | ekcolnovkol | HEY SUPERMAN, HAVE SOME MOUTAIN DEW |
| 08:19.24 | Clord | ;) |
| 08:19.26 | ekcolnovkol | superman: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO |
| 08:19.44 | Clord | he could finish most battles less than second |
| 08:19.51 | Clord | if he just used super speed :) |
| 08:19.58 | Clord | but no |
| 08:20.07 | Clord | lex luthor gets him trap with some obvious trick |
| 08:20.08 | Clord | lol |
| 08:21.13 | Clord | superman character would be rather boring if he knew how to use his powers effectively however... or even be effective hero |
| 08:21.16 | ekcolnovkol | lex luther has been everything from mexican to white |
| 08:21.19 | Clord | :) |
| 08:21.28 | Clord | oh and from bald to hairdo |
| 08:21.30 | Clord | :) |
| 08:21.43 | Clord | he has also been somewhat good guy in some series |
| 08:21.44 | Clord | lol |
| 08:21.49 | ekcolnovkol | yes |
| 08:21.53 | ekcolnovkol | i don't understand lex |
| 08:21.59 | ekcolnovkol | he has no goals |
| 08:22.00 | ekcolnovkol | ;? |
| 08:22.09 | ekcolnovkol | just occasionally messes with superman's head |
| 08:22.18 | ekcolnovkol | i mean come on, he develops a weapon, big deal |
| 08:22.28 | ekcolnovkol | you don't see the US trying to stop russia from manufacturing AK-47s |
| 08:22.43 | ekcolnovkol | or even nukes for that matter |
| 08:22.46 | ekcolnovkol | weapons happen ;/ |
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| 08:28.41 | pkol | hm, any have an idea where the interceptor get's it "fly in circles" order from? |
| 08:34.38 | Pierro | pkol there is a leash field in the hangar ability |
| 08:38.12 | Pierro | Did someone success in making a loot sytem ?? I don't know why it s not working with me ... |
| 08:39.12 | cb|roflstomping | loot as in loot tables? |
| 08:39.40 | Pierro | yeah make unit drop something when they die |
| 08:40.11 | Pierro | I created an item, a item class, a loot but it doesn't work |
| 08:41.23 | BoltHead | theres alot of data editor work for maps lol |
| 08:41.35 | BoltHead | I feel like i'm getting a-hang of it horray =) |
| 08:43.09 | BoltHead | is the 'repair resource' the amount it would cost to repair in full? |
| 08:48.41 | onetwo | Pierro |
| 08:48.47 | onetwo | heres how i had it working on my rpg |
| 08:48.47 | Pierro | yes ? |
| 08:48.50 | onetwo | you have a loot type of unit |
| 08:48.51 | onetwo | or w/e |
| 08:48.56 | onetwo | and just specify your item unit |
| 08:49.03 | onetwo | then make another loot type of (going off memory) set? |
| 08:49.09 | onetwo | then in the set just add your other loot |
| 08:49.12 | onetwo | as 100 % chance |
| 08:49.19 | onetwo | then give this set loot to your units loot field |
| 08:49.33 | Pierro | Ok do i have to set the unit item as Item or Unit ? |
| 08:49.58 | onetwo | unit i think |
| 08:50.00 | onetwo | cant confirm |
| 08:50.01 | onetwo | atm |
| 08:52.27 | Pierro | It should work ... but it doesn't |
| 08:53.39 | onetwo | make sure your item's unit |
| 08:53.41 | onetwo | has an actor |
| 08:53.44 | onetwo | model actor i think |
| 08:53.48 | onetwo | or unit actor i mean |
| 08:53.56 | onetwo | otherwise not gonna appear ingame |
| 08:54.02 | Pierro | Ah ...* |
| 08:54.10 | Pierro | I can see it when placed in GE |
| 08:54.28 | Pierro | i can also put one on the ground and pick it |
| 08:54.40 | onetwo | okay |
| 08:54.44 | onetwo | then its loot |
| 08:54.47 | onetwo | let me open my rpg |
| 09:01.03 | onetwo | k so my Hound unit |
| 09:01.08 | Pierro | yup |
| 09:01.11 | onetwo | has 2 loots associated with him |
| 09:01.16 | onetwo | because he drops hound tusks |
| 09:01.19 | onetwo | 25% of the time |
| 09:01.25 | onetwo | 1. |
| 09:01.36 | onetwo | Hound Tusk Item |
| 09:01.38 | onetwo | Loot of type |
| 09:01.40 | onetwo | Unit |
| 09:01.51 | onetwo | all fields default/gray |
| 09:01.52 | onetwo | except for Unit |
| 09:01.59 | onetwo | which is my Item - Hound Tusk |
| 09:02.05 | onetwo | the unit version of it of course |
| 09:02.13 | onetwo | 2. |
| 09:02.15 | onetwo | Hound Loot |
| 09:02.17 | onetwo | of type Set |
| 09:02.27 | onetwo | max count 1 |
| 09:02.29 | onetwo | min count 1 |
| 09:02.34 | onetwo | Children+ |
| 09:02.58 | onetwo | index 0, chance 25, Hound Tusk Item Loot (what we made in number 1.) |
| 09:03.04 | Pierro | ok |
| 09:03.05 | onetwo | index 1, chance 25, blank |
| 09:03.11 | onetwo | blank aka none |
| 09:03.15 | onetwo | index 2 and 3 the same as index 1 |
| 09:03.18 | onetwo | press ok |
| 09:03.25 | onetwo | now go add this 2nd loot we made |
| 09:03.32 | onetwo | to the unit that will be dropping the item |
| 09:03.36 | onetwo | Stats - Loot |
| 09:03.39 | onetwo | or w/e the field is |
| 09:04.10 | Pierro | k |
| 09:07.17 | Pierro | in the Data > Item > MyItem > Field ; Flag what do I have to check ? |
| 09:09.37 | Pierro | onetwo |
| 09:10.01 | pkol | wow |
| 09:10.03 | onetwo | can drop |
| 09:10.04 | onetwo | thats it |
| 09:10.05 | pkol | i had the data editor |
| 09:10.11 | pkol | i hate |
| 09:10.14 | pkol | stupid ui |
| 09:10.14 | onetwo | and its face is a button i made |
| 09:10.15 | onetwo | earlier |
| 09:10.47 | Helral|working | onetwo: is there a tutorial about the loot system already ? if not could you make a tutorial, if only text-wise ? |
| 09:11.34 | onetwo | good idea |
| 09:11.34 | onetwo | maybe ill include items in it |
| 09:11.34 | onetwo | might as well |
| 09:11.34 | Pierro | I found one on the internet but i can't find it anymore |
| 09:11.59 | Pierro | It should work |
| 09:12.01 | Pierro | ... |
| 09:15.26 | Helral|working | onetwo: can you also add the tutorials you made to the wiki? they will be easier to find then. |
| 09:15.38 | Helral|working | http://www.sc2mapster.com/api-docs/tutorials/ <-- Tutorials wiki page |
| 09:15.41 | onetwo | to what? |
| 09:15.52 | onetwo | i can edit that? |
| 09:15.58 | Helral|working | yes. |
| 09:16.11 | onetwo | oh |
| 09:16.14 | Helral|working | Page management |
| 09:16.14 | Helral|working | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:16.15 | onetwo | hope i dont screw it up |
| 09:16.15 | onetwo | hahah |
| 09:16.49 | Helral|working | it's simple: [[ URL Link | Title ]] by onetwo <-- |
| 09:17.04 | ProzaicMuze | Well this is odd, none of my effects are showing up but all the damage is landing. . . lazy actors. . . |
| 09:17.04 | Helral|working | just some copy&pasting. |
| 09:17.17 | onetwo | k |
| 09:17.42 | onetwo | lol wtf |
| 09:17.46 | onetwo | sc2galaxyeditor.com or we |
| 09:17.47 | onetwo | w/e |
| 09:17.50 | onetwo | has a simple td tutorial |
| 09:17.52 | onetwo | like mine |
| 09:17.53 | BoltHead | wow i just got a message in my map suggesting i lower my graphics settings.... |
| 09:18.07 | BoltHead | first time i've ever seen that lol |
| 09:18.18 | onetwo | hmmm |
| 09:18.23 | onetwo | mine was released 4 days before |
| 09:18.27 | onetwo | so probably a coincidence |
| 09:18.55 | ProzaicMuze | i leaked yours and told them to steal it |
| 09:21.33 | BoltHead | for some reason my upgrade cost isn't changing |
| 09:21.45 | Helral|working | I'm currently trying to keep a list up-to-date which contains requests and tutorials that contain the requested action. |
| 09:22.17 | ProzaicMuze | i saw that |
| 09:22.29 | ProzaicMuze | after I finish this beginner's beam tutorial I'm gonna dive into what I can |
| 09:22.35 | BoltHead | i give the engineering bay's upgrade ability to my teclab and edited the bay's ability to decrease the cost... |
| 09:23.16 | BoltHead | does that sound correct to you Prozaic? |
| 09:23.57 | BoltHead | oh i tihnk i found out what i did |
| 09:25.17 | BoltHead | I had the button on the tech lab to upgrade the armor instead |
| 09:25.24 | Helral|working | ProzaicMuze: It's kinda annoying if ppl don't update the wiki, so some of the tutorial requests might already be answered. I'll be searching through the Tutorial listing tonight to see which ones match, if I have time for that. |
| 09:25.58 | Sixen | Awesome, thanks Helral =) |
| 09:26.02 | Sixen | Beider's slacking. |
| 09:26.06 | Helral|working | lol |
| 09:26.21 | Sixen | He's supposed to be keeping track of that stuff for us :( |
| 09:26.23 | Helral|working | isn't he always |
| 09:26.31 | Helral|working | http://forums.sc2mapster.com/development/tutorials/3938-ordened-overview-of-tutorial-requests/ |
| 09:27.27 | Sixen | Oh wow |
| 09:27.28 | Sixen | Stickied |
| 09:27.34 | BoltHead | I find the wiki to be an a real pain in the rear |
| 09:28.03 | Sixen | =\ |
| 09:28.41 | BoltHead | just the way its formated makes it very difficult to navigate |
| 09:28.42 | Helral|working | I kicked vjeux yesterday so he could sticky it. ;p |
| 09:28.58 | Sixen | Vjeux had exams yesterday, take it easy on 'im |
| 09:28.59 | Sixen | :P |
| 09:29.14 | BoltHead | But this fly buzzing around is far worse!! |
| 09:29.19 | Sixen | :P |
| 09:29.20 | onetwo | Helral |
| 09:29.26 | Helral|working | yeah? |
| 09:29.31 | onetwo | the list consists of all sc2mapster forum posts for tutorials |
| 09:29.38 | onetwo | all my tutorials |
| 09:29.41 | onetwo | dont have sc2mapster posts |
| 09:29.43 | onetwo | well only recent ones |
| 09:29.43 | onetwo | do |
| 09:29.52 | onetwo | so might be out of place |
| 09:29.55 | onetwo | for me to add in old ones |
| 09:29.56 | Sixen | You can link to your YouTube |
| 09:30.01 | Helral|working | hmmm poke Sixen ;) |
| 09:30.06 | Sixen | Either that.. |
| 09:30.11 | Sixen | or Make a thread for your older ones |
| 09:30.15 | onetwo | hmm |
| 09:30.17 | onetwo | ill do first option |
| 09:30.18 | Sixen | :p |
| 09:30.33 | rrowland | Need some good classical music to listen to |
| 09:30.38 | Sixen | Think you can make sure the descriptions says sc2mapster though, 12? |
| 09:30.39 | Sixen | :) |
| 09:30.47 | onetwo | sure |
| 09:31.32 | Pierro | onegtwo |
| 09:31.33 | BoltHead | i'm about ready to glue fucking sticky paper all over my body to kill this dam fly |
| 09:31.34 | Sixen | <3 |
| 09:31.38 | Sixen | Rofl Bolt |
| 09:31.41 | Pierro | does your rpg is playable ? |
| 09:31.47 | Pierro | realesed i mean |
| 09:31.54 | Helral|working | BoltHead: why don't you just snatch the fly out of the air? |
| 09:31.57 | Pierro | so that is can check your loot sytem |
| 09:32.01 | Helral|working | I did that with annoying flies. |
| 09:32.11 | onetwo | sorry pierro |
| 09:32.26 | onetwo | :( |
| 09:32.27 | BoltHead | cause as soon as it bugs me i'm like GOD DAMN IT *grabs flame thrower* then its gone.... the little bastard is smart |
| 09:33.17 | Helral|working | says: "BoltHead, when you can snatch the fly out of the air we will continue your training" |
| 09:33.41 | Helral|working | or was it snatch the rock from my hand.... |
| 09:33.57 | BoltHead | ha ha... I did kill one with a pocket knife once |
| 09:33.58 | Helral|working | neh let's stick to the first one. it's harder ;p |
| 09:34.02 | Helral|working | lol |
| 09:34.08 | Helral|working | I did that with my bare hands. |
| 09:34.13 | Helral|working | I whacked it to the floor. |
| 09:34.18 | Helral|working | it was dead. |
| 09:34.30 | Sixen | Owned. |
| 09:34.47 | BoltHead | I was at work, flys are dumb. It was sitting on the wall and I grabbed my pocket knife and stabbed it into two pieces |
| 09:34.55 | Helral|working | some other flies that I whacked didn't die :(, but on the positive side: the landed in a spider web. |
| 09:35.09 | BoltHead | then was like ... holy shit , can't belive that worked |
| 09:35.12 | Helral|working | thinks poor wall. |
| 09:35.51 | BoltHead | vinal walls... hardly noticeable it was more of a cutting motion than a stab |
| 09:36.00 | onetwo | haha im adding sc2mapster to old videos |
| 09:36.06 | onetwo | i used to actually put tags in my videos back then |
| 09:36.08 | onetwo | now i dont care |
| 09:36.18 | ProzaicMuze | @rrowland do you care for romantic period music? |
| 09:36.37 | BoltHead | Well I guess my map is comming along... its mostly all balancing now however and thats lame.... |
| 09:36.47 | ekcolnovkol | are you guys talking about killing flies with pocket knives |
| 09:36.49 | BoltHead | thats why I prefer to make maps that don't need balancing |
| 09:36.51 | BoltHead | lol |
| 09:36.57 | ekcolnovkol | :O |
| 09:36.58 | BoltHead | I am... |
| 09:36.59 | rrowland | Honestly don't know enough about classical to know the difference |
| 09:38.07 | ekcolnovkol | i've thrown a knife and harpooned a moth to the wall :O |
| 09:38.13 | ekcolnovkol | i was like HIZZUAH |
| 09:38.13 | BoltHead | problem is there is a big dark room infront of me... as soon as I see it, it move sa bit and vanishes against the darkness. Then it lurks there for while it plans its next move. |
| 09:38.18 | ekcolnovkol | but no, i'm lying |
| 09:38.21 | ekcolnovkol | but i did harpoon a wall |
| 09:38.23 | ekcolnovkol | :U |
| 09:38.35 | ekcolnovkol | bolthead are you drinking |
| 09:38.46 | ProzaicMuze | well then try some Debussy lol |
| 09:39.03 | BoltHead | lol no... I don't need alchohol to be interesting |
| 09:39.04 | Helral|working | Sixen: good point I added the link to the first topic, and added a counter of the last request-post that has been added to the request overview. |
| 09:39.10 | ekcolnovkol | BoltHead is talking about a room planning to kill him |
| 09:39.11 | ekcolnovkol | :( |
| 09:39.34 | Sixen | Smart, Helral :) |
| 09:39.37 | ekcolnovkol | drinking 101: giving sentience to inanimate objects |
| 09:39.39 | BoltHead | ... fuck it found my ears... buzzing noise is awfull |
| 09:39.41 | Sixen | I'll keep that thread clean as well, don't owry. |
| 09:39.59 | ekcolnovkol | FUCK |
| 09:39.59 | Helral|working | is happy that BoltHead didn't see me sitting in the dark room watching his every move... waiting for the moment to strike him down. |
| 09:40.00 | ProzaicMuze | It might help to divide the request threads out some |
| 09:40.04 | ekcolnovkol | I'M HAVING THAT PROBLEM AGAIN |
| 09:40.05 | BoltHead | the fly lurks |
| 09:40.07 | BoltHead | not the room |
| 09:40.08 | ProzaicMuze | Like one for TRiggers, one for data, one for animation, one for models etc |
| 09:40.12 | ProzaicMuze | The bigger sections |
| 09:40.13 | ekcolnovkol | where names change by themselves |
| 09:40.16 | ekcolnovkol | what the FFFFFFFFFFFF |
| 09:40.25 | ProzaicMuze | So that it's more refined and those who can give the tutorials know where they should look to help. |
| 09:41.01 | BoltHead | FFFFFF is white.... |
| 09:41.16 | onetwo | hm |
| 09:41.20 | onetwo | how do i get to tutorial page |
| 09:41.22 | onetwo | on sc2mapster |
| 09:41.29 | onetwo | is it under Wiki? |
| 09:41.43 | BoltHead | ^^ thats a hugh problem with the tutorial page lol |
| 09:41.48 | Sixen | CTRL+F Tutorial |
| 09:41.52 | Sixen | On the wiki eyah |
| 09:41.56 | Sixen | Or click APi-Docs |
| 09:44.16 | Helral|working | http://www.sc2mapster.com/api-docs/tutorials/ <-- Tutorials wiki page |
| 09:44.19 | BoltHead | invites Helral to his house to 'demonstrate' the swat fly out of thin air attack |
| 09:44.24 | Pierro | it s driving me mad |
| 09:44.34 | Pierro | I don't know what is wrong |
| 09:44.55 | Helral|working | tells bolthead to spread out his fingers for a better airflow ;p |
| 09:45.01 | onetwo | pierro try process of elimination |
| 09:45.08 | onetwo | see what you can get working |
| 09:45.13 | Pierro | I tried to make an other unit item |
| 09:45.13 | Helral|working | not too much though, you don't want the fly to fly through the open space. |
| 09:45.26 | Helral|working | also it requires some observation skills. |
| 09:45.45 | BoltHead | what can I use as bait? |
| 09:45.58 | Helral|working | @Sixen: maybe an idea to link the tutorials on the main page. |
| 09:46.02 | Helral|working | doesn't use bait. |
| 09:46.09 | Helral|working | is fast enough. |
| 09:46.27 | Helral|working | or link in the top menu |
| 09:46.28 | BoltHead | how do you find them when they try to hide? |
| 09:46.43 | Helral|working | well I don't bother finding them. |
| 09:46.57 | BoltHead | shouldn't have dropped out of ninja school, damn it |
| 09:47.01 | Helral|working | if they start bothering me my standard reflex doesn't catches them though. ;p |
| 09:47.06 | Sixen | Yeah Helral, I want to put a Tutorials link in the top nav |
| 09:47.09 | rrowland | claire de lune was good, reverie is sounding like a cat keeps coming and stepping on the keys |
| 09:47.23 | Helral|working | but if I spend 30 seconds following them, then I can swipe them out of the air ;p |
| 09:50.53 | Pierro | well it is not working. While someone is making a tutorial i'll go an other way. Is it possible trough DataEditor to create an item in a Unit invetory on attack ? |
| 09:51.07 | Pierro | or may be like the drain soul ability from wow |
| 09:52.59 | Pierro | For the none WoW player this spell is channelled and in addition of dammage it places a debuff. If the target dies when the debuff is On the player get a soulshard item |
| 09:53.41 | ProzaicMuze | Um |
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| 09:54.08 | ProzaicMuze | rrowland, you gotta listen to the GOOD Debussy, one sec and I'll give references. |
| 09:54.22 | ProzaicMuze | But Pierro, you want to make the item when they attack? or when they attack and KILL a unit? |
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| 09:55.03 | Repo | Knowledge base page update: http://www.sc2mapster.com/api-docs/tutorials/ by OneTwoSC |
| 09:55.09 | onetwo | k |
| 09:55.09 | Pierro | both |
| 09:55.19 | onetwo | under Heroes, Terrain, and general and galaxy editor overview |
| 09:55.22 | onetwo | i added my tuts in |
| 09:55.22 | Pierro | lets say i want my plant to be destroyed in 4 scv attacks |
| 09:55.28 | Pierro | each attack grant One item |
| 09:55.37 | ProzaicMuze | ah, so like harvesting? |
| 09:56.18 | Pierro | kinda |
| 09:56.18 | BoltHead | ha ha there is SC1 maps on SC2mapster |
| 09:56.29 | BoltHead | or is this trickory |
| 09:56.31 | ProzaicMuze | Did you base the plants off minerals/gas or are they units? |
| 09:56.39 | Pierro | they are units |
| 09:58.19 | ProzaicMuze | Are you using an ability to generate the inventory? |
| 09:58.27 | Pierro | yes |
| 09:58.38 | Pierro | Is there an other way ? |
| 09:58.48 | ProzaicMuze | some people used XML or triggers I think |
| 09:58.54 | Pierro | i see |
| 09:59.00 | ProzaicMuze | I'm not entirely sure, I just kinda know the ability way (data editor) |
| 09:59.18 | Pierro | I try to stick to Data Editor as much as i can |
| 09:59.23 | ProzaicMuze | what object are you trying to use to harvest? behavior? effect? ability? what? |
| 09:59.45 | ekcolnovkol | oh my god |
| 09:59.53 | ekcolnovkol | infested terrans |
| 09:59.54 | ekcolnovkol | q.q |
| 09:59.59 | Pierro | I was thinking of a custom weapon that can only attack Plants |
| 10:00.05 | ekcolnovkol | and i thought 150 data entries was long |
| 10:00.06 | ekcolnovkol | :(((( |
| 10:00.16 | ekcolnovkol | i weep blood |
| 10:00.16 | Pierro | or maybe anAbility |
| 10:00.38 | ekcolnovkol | you mean like, a lawnmower...? |
| 10:00.41 | ekcolnovkol | >.> |
| 10:00.51 | ekcolnovkol | i hope you're not making Starcraft SIMS |
| 10:01.01 | cb|roflstomping | o.o |
| 10:01.28 | ProzaicMuze | do your items have actors? |
| 10:01.55 | Pierro | yes |
| 10:02.04 | ProzaicMuze | mmk, then you can probably do it with events. |
| 10:02.04 | Pierro | I can place them in the editor |
| 10:02.09 | Pierro | pick them up in game |
| 10:02.28 | ProzaicMuze | Whenever "Ability/Effect" starts/stops//expires whatever you decide > Create |
| 10:02.33 | ProzaicMuze | you can then add a term |
| 10:03.28 | onetwo | LOL.. so odd |
| 10:03.44 | onetwo | my hero abilities... the trigger that returns "current level of ability for unit" gave 0 for all my heroes spells |
| 10:03.47 | ProzaicMuze | here, I think this is what it is: |
| 10:03.53 | onetwo | then i changed it to be "maximum level of ability for unit" |
| 10:03.56 | onetwo | and voila it said 1 instead of 0 |
| 10:03.57 | onetwo | now |
| 10:04.06 | onetwo | so max level i guess means current hero ability rank |
| 10:04.17 | Helral|working | do they have more then 1 rank? |
| 10:04.21 | ProzaicMuze | Effect.NAME.Stop > [Term] At outer container > Create |
| 10:04.36 | Pierro | i'll try it right now man |
| 10:04.38 | Pierro | !! |
| 10:04.47 | ProzaicMuze | THen you can have the effect be the damage or whatever it is that hits the plant |
| 10:05.06 | onetwo | yeah 10 ranks |
| 10:05.08 | onetwo | Helral |
| 10:05.16 | Pierro | I put what u told me in the Plant Actor Event ? |
| 10:05.17 | ProzaicMuze | What might happen instead is it creates it on the ground, but we'll see. I'm gonna look at an SCV and see how it harvests stuff |
| 10:05.22 | Pierro | not the SCV's? |
| 10:05.39 | ProzaicMuze | The item |
| 10:05.43 | Pierro | ok |
| 10:06.01 | ProzaicMuze | since you're telling the item to create anytime a specific effect stops at an container |
| 10:06.09 | onetwo | oh hey Pierro |
| 10:06.24 | onetwo | btw when i said i gave my unit the loot, I mean I gave my creature unit that you kill |
| 10:06.29 | onetwo | the loot (the set one) |
| 10:06.35 | onetwo | just checking |
| 10:06.42 | Pierro | :) |
| 10:06.48 | Pierro | I figured it out |
| 10:06.51 | onetwo | oh |
| 10:06.52 | onetwo | nvm |
| 10:06.53 | onetwo | haha |
| 10:06.53 | Pierro | Thk you |
| 10:06.55 | onetwo | what was it |
| 10:07.13 | Pierro | no i meant i figured what you meant |
| 10:07.24 | heysparky | later folks |
| 10:07.31 | onetwo | oh |
| 10:07.33 | onetwo | bye |
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| 10:17.12 | ProzaicMuze | Hel, you are both working AND sleeping!? |
| 10:17.13 | ProzaicMuze | crazy! |
| 10:17.14 | Pierro | ProzaicMuze : It is not working. |
| 10:17.14 | ProzaicMuze | Teach me! |
| 10:17.27 | Helral|working | uses kage bunshin no jutsu for this. |
| 10:17.54 | ProzaicMuze | @.@ |
| 10:18.01 | Helral|working | :P |
| 10:18.27 | Helral|working | well leaving my home pc running does the trick, actually ;p and not logging off of mIRC ;p |
| 10:18.57 | Helral|working | but I'm currently sleepworking... it's somewhat like sleepwalking ;p only you work instead of that you walk. |
| 10:20.44 | Helral|working | It's something you'll learn when doing the same actions over and over again ;p |
| 10:21.46 | ekcolnovkol | i hate how every single ability is like a whole new lesson ;( |
| 10:21.48 | ekcolnovkol | jesus christ |
| 10:22.07 | ekcolnovkol | just when you thought you figured it out |
| 10:22.13 | ekcolnovkol | fffffffffffffff |
| 10:22.19 | BoltHead | ha ha i hear you =) |
| 10:23.33 | ekcolnovkol | oh my god |
| 10:23.37 | ekcolnovkol | infested terrans is completely insane |
| 10:26.43 | ProzaicMuze | What, are you trying to hand make every ability again? |
| 10:27.16 | ekcolnovkol | yes |
| 10:27.21 | ekcolnovkol | :> |
| 10:27.28 | ekcolnovkol | it lets me do things you can't even imagine |
| 10:27.45 | ProzaicMuze | Like. . . what? |
| 10:27.46 | ekcolnovkol | imagine throwing an infested terran egg |
| 10:27.47 | ekcolnovkol | that bounces |
| 10:27.51 | ekcolnovkol | ;) |
| 10:27.58 | ProzaicMuze | Heigh change with blend |
| 10:28.04 | ekcolnovkol | that's easy mode |
| 10:28.06 | ekcolnovkol | do it with movers |
| 10:28.11 | ekcolnovkol | it has physics |
| 10:28.14 | ekcolnovkol | lol |
| 10:28.19 | ProzaicMuze | use a thrower driver and gravity |
| 10:28.31 | ekcolnovkol | you say that now, give it a try lol |
| 10:28.45 | ekcolnovkol | oh, and don't forget to give it 4 levels <<" |
| 10:29.00 | ProzaicMuze | 4 levels of? |
| 10:29.09 | ekcolnovkol | 4 levels |
| 10:29.12 | ekcolnovkol | you know |
| 10:29.15 | ekcolnovkol | level 1/2/3/4 |
| 10:29.17 | ekcolnovkol | o_O |
| 10:29.33 | Pierro | Well i achieved at creating an Item |
| 10:29.41 | ProzaicMuze | Did that work for yeh pierro? |
| 10:29.41 | Pierro | However it is lame atm |
| 10:29.45 | Pierro | no |
| 10:29.49 | Pierro | not at all |
| 10:29.49 | ProzaicMuze | ? |
| 10:29.54 | Pierro | yes |
| 10:30.00 | Pierro | its bugging me |
| 10:30.03 | Pierro | however |
| 10:30.13 | Pierro | Using the effect create unit |
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| 10:30.40 | Pierro | Its creating an item. But id like it to be placed in the Inventory |
| 10:30.45 | ProzaicMuze | and ekco, until I see you "show" this easy mode you talk abotu all the time, you're just a loon who has a blizzard copy fetish |
| 10:31.01 | ProzaicMuze | then make another effect that teleports it into the inventory when it is made |
| 10:31.41 | ProzaicMuze | Or, if the item is appearing right next to your harvesting unit, have an ability that picks up said item when it is within a given radius |
| 10:31.56 | ProzaicMuze | So that it creates and then is auto-picked up because it's next to your harvester |
| 10:32.04 | Pierro | Is there such possibilities ? |
| 10:32.22 | ProzaicMuze | Do you currently have a system for picking up items on the ground? |
| 10:33.14 | Pierro | Just right clicking atm |
| 10:33.39 | ProzaicMuze | mmk, whatever mechanic you have that allows you to do so, make it auto-cast whenever said item is within "X' of your harvester |
| 10:33.43 | ProzaicMuze | It can be an aura |
| 10:33.53 | Pierro | But you know it is not good |
| 10:33.58 | Pierro | It works for 1 plant |
| 10:34.07 | Pierro | because I "hard code" it |
| 10:34.21 | Pierro | Do you get me ? |
| 10:34.24 | ProzaicMuze | Yeah |
| 10:34.32 | BoltHead | I imported some wavs and want to change some units sounds in the data editor.. But I can't see the wavs i imported... |
| 10:34.36 | ProzaicMuze | Are you willing to pass me your map so I can take a peek at your effects? |
| 10:34.44 | Pierro | yes |
| 10:34.45 | ProzaicMuze | If I can actually look at your item system I might be better able to help |
| 10:34.48 | BoltHead | what do i got to do with my imported wavs? |
| 10:34.52 | Pierro | i didnt change localization things |
| 10:34.53 | ProzaicMuze | mmk, toss it up on wiki upload then real quick |
| 10:34.56 | Pierro | but its all data |
| 10:35.22 | BoltHead | nm i found them |
| 10:35.31 | ProzaicMuze | lol |
| 10:36.41 | Pierro | Hmm actually if you could check my loot system maybe you'll see the mistake that make unit drop nothing |
| 10:36.51 | Pierro | http://www.filedropper.com/comand |
| 10:37.17 | Pierro | Voilà|
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| 10:39.14 | xXm0RPH3usXx | good morning this morning, this morning! |
| 10:39.42 | Pierro | hi |
| 10:39.58 | onetwo | 3:40 am here |
| 10:40.02 | onetwo | i really need to get back to normal time |
| 10:40.07 | xXm0RPH3usXx | 12:40 here |
| 10:40.18 | xXm0RPH3usXx | so technically no morning |
| 10:40.24 | ProzaicMuze | lol |
| 10:40.31 | xXm0RPH3usXx | "normal" is just a point of view |
| 10:42.02 | BoltHead | ha ha thats cool I replaced my units sounds with the Medic's from SC1 |
| 10:42.17 | BoltHead | data editor is cool |
| 10:42.31 | BoltHead | well... its 5:40 am here so i'm going to bed lol |
| 10:42.36 | Triceron | what unit did you replace ? |
| 10:42.40 | BoltHead | Reaper |
| 10:42.47 | Triceron | and they all work? Cuz I have issues replacing sounds |
| 10:42.48 | BoltHead | gave him the medivac skill and so forth |
| 10:42.55 | BoltHead | yeah no problems at all |
| 10:43.03 | Triceron | I replaced teh ghost voices |
| 10:43.14 | Triceron | and the ghost still pops up between my replaced sounsd :S |
| 10:43.20 | BoltHead | i didn't bother with the pissed set |
| 10:43.27 | Triceron | its weird |
| 10:43.28 | Triceron | ah |
| 10:43.29 | BoltHead | did you remove the original sounds? |
| 10:43.40 | Triceron | I deleted teh field |
| 10:43.43 | Triceron | and replaced with my own |
| 10:44.02 | Triceron | that should've worked I think? |
| 10:44.12 | BoltHead | i clicked the sounds and then opened a box that had the sounds and you could choose if they were random or sequencial and all that |
| 10:44.21 | BoltHead | and I removed all the existing ones and added my own |
| 10:44.29 | Triceron | oh what |
| 10:44.33 | Helral|working | did you adjust the amount af sounds to match? |
| 10:44.37 | Triceron | I'll have to take a look again, I mgiht be doing it wrong |
| 10:44.41 | Helral|working | of* |
| 10:44.43 | BoltHead | just a sec |
| 10:44.45 | Triceron | no, I didn't |
| 10:44.49 | Triceron | I don't know how :/ |
| 10:45.04 | Pierro | ProzaicMuze : So tell me Doctor. What's wrong with me ?o |
| 10:45.15 | ProzaicMuze | lol I'm poking around atm |
| 10:45.21 | Helral|working | I haven't played with it myself, but I think there is probably a field there that says how many "pissed" sounds there are or something. |
| 10:45.26 | ProzaicMuze | I'll let you know as soon as I have an idea lol |
| 10:45.34 | Pierro | ok |
| 10:45.36 | BoltHead | data editor > click on unit > click the sound in the lower right you want to replace > double click 'sound assets - file' > right click to remove existing and right click to add your own |
| 10:45.41 | Triceron | the ghost has a LOT |
| 10:45.44 | Triceron | like... 12 or 14 |
| 10:45.54 | Triceron | I only have 2 and want to use 2 |
| 10:46.14 | BoltHead | 'sound assets - file' opens a new window where you can preview them and just ad however many |
| 10:47.01 | BoltHead | sound in the lower left lol to edit the sounds lol |
| 10:47.21 | BoltHead | i typed 'right' opps |
| 10:47.23 | Triceron | oh what |
| 10:47.32 | Triceron | I manually typed shit in |
| 10:47.38 | BoltHead | ... |
| 10:47.39 | BoltHead | oh |
| 10:47.46 | BoltHead | uhh do you have it open now? |
| 10:48.02 | Triceron | trying to find it |
| 10:48.14 | BoltHead | Open a sounds tab search for something like "Reaper_Pissed" |
| 10:48.59 | Triceron | yeah I did that |
| 10:49.03 | Triceron | and I modified most of the fields |
| 10:49.11 | BoltHead | i only modified one |
| 10:49.13 | Triceron | but I don't find where you can add in sounds |
| 10:49.24 | BoltHead | Sound Assets - File |
| 10:49.26 | Triceron | through a selection window |
| 10:49.48 | Triceron | sound assetarray? |
| 10:50.02 | ProzaicMuze | So pierro, am I following your effects correct if I read it as follows?: |
| 10:50.16 | ProzaicMuze | SCV harvests > applies buff > plant shrinks > repeat |
| 10:50.16 | BoltHead | its called file on mine |
| 10:50.25 | ProzaicMuze | And you want it to put items in inv while doing this? |
| 10:50.34 | BoltHead | i don't see an array |
| 10:51.11 | Pierro | SCV ATTACK > apply buff> 'acutally does nothing>Effect create unit (create a item) |
| 10:51.17 | Triceron | oh |
| 10:51.21 | BoltHead | oh if your viewing raw |
| 10:51.25 | Triceron | I must've been in a different viewing window |
| 10:51.28 | Triceron | damnit |
| 10:51.29 | BoltHead | it says "Sound_AssetArray_File |
| 10:51.31 | Pierro | in fact i'd like to yeah put the item i created in inv |
| 10:51.34 | Triceron | there was an easier way all this time |
| 10:51.42 | Triceron | well now I know |
| 10:51.44 | Triceron | thanks :D |
| 10:51.48 | BoltHead | yep |
| 10:51.58 | BoltHead | well good luck i'm hitting the sack |
| 10:52.04 | Triceron | same, later |
| 10:52.21 | Pierro | but Ideally the attacked plant should drop the item related to it |
| 10:52.37 | Pierro | for a plant A it drops Plant A item |
| 10:52.39 | ProzaicMuze | what did you want the buff to do when it applies? |
| 10:52.47 | ProzaicMuze | and drop into inv or onto ground? |
| 10:52.54 | Pierro | it was just trying |
| 10:53.05 | Coding_Newb | regions are defined by names, but is there a way to iterate a 'region' using a loop? |
| 10:53.22 | ProzaicMuze | And is "Plant" the item you want to drop? |
| 10:53.37 | Pierro | Plant- Item - Argia |
| 10:53.41 | Pierro | this is the item |
| 10:53.55 | Pierro | Plant - Argia is the actual plant that is to be attacked |
| 10:54.08 | ProzaicMuze | and Plant-argiaitem is the item actor, yes? |
| 10:54.15 | Pierro | yup |
| 10:54.26 | ProzaicMuze | mmk, give me a min |
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| 10:54.39 | ProzaicMuze | unfortunately I can't check to see if it works because of the localization crap :( |
| 10:54.46 | Pierro | oh |
| 10:54.50 | Pierro | shoot |
| 10:55.12 | Pierro | ChampArgiaItem EDSTR_CATEGORY_FieldType_Event - Évènements +(UnitBirth.ArgiaItem|UnitBirth.ArgiaItem|UnitRevive.ArgiaItem|UnitConstruction.ArgiaItem.Start|UnitConstruction.ArgiaItem.Finish|AnimDone.*.Missing; AnimName ConstructionDeath|ActorCreation; ValidateUnit IsFlying; Option Shadow Low; CompareField ::Main UnitFlags[e_actorUnitFlagShowBlobShadow] Eq 1|ActorCreation; ValidateUnit IsNotFlying; Option Shadow Low; CompareField |
| 10:55.22 | Pierro | sorry |
| 10:55.25 | Pierro | for the spam |
| 10:55.43 | ProzaicMuze | lol you left all the events in there from the duplication (from a marine?) |
| 10:56.41 | Pierro | yes |
| 10:56.47 | Pierro | should i take them off ? |
| 10:57.23 | Pierro | they are just graphics linked aren't they ? |
| 10:57.41 | ProzaicMuze | they're a lot of things, I typically dump them all for tidyness |
| 10:57.56 | Pierro | yes |
| 10:57.57 | ProzaicMuze | But do you not have a model for the item? |
| 10:58.05 | Pierro | yes i Do |
| 10:58.09 | ProzaicMuze | wait nvm, I found it |
| 10:58.16 | Pierro | it is the same as the Plant - Argia |
| 10:58.16 | ProzaicMuze | I had the models closed rofl |
| 10:58.17 | ProzaicMuze | my bad |
| 10:58.43 | Pierro | anyway |
| 10:58.56 | Pierro | the Event i added after you told me is |
| 10:59.02 | ProzaicMuze | the one at the bottem |
| 10:59.04 | ProzaicMuze | bottom* |
| 10:59.13 | Pierro | Effect.VCSHook.Start |
| 10:59.25 | Pierro | At OuterConatiner |
| 10:59.28 | Pierro | Create |
| 10:59.34 | ProzaicMuze | what does it do when you do it? |
| 10:59.41 | ProzaicMuze | since I have no idea what ti does when I test |
| 10:59.46 | Pierro | Nothing |
| 10:59.48 | ProzaicMuze | mmk |
| 11:00.36 | ProzaicMuze | change it to source inside |
| 11:00.39 | ProzaicMuze | and see what happens |
| 11:02.10 | Pierro | ok |
| 11:02.20 | Pierro | it creates a item argia actor |
| 11:02.23 | Pierro | model i mean |
| 11:02.34 | Pierro | bind to the drone 'i use a drone for testing purpose) |
| 11:02.57 | ProzaicMuze | so it attaches to the drone's model? |
| 11:03.06 | Pierro | maybe i should set so the effect actually aplly on teh scv |
| 11:03.22 | Pierro | when the scv attack it applies an effect on it |
| 11:03.32 | Pierro | and outercontainer might work |
| 11:04.20 | ProzaicMuze | on the SCV or the plant? |
| 11:04.52 | Pierro | on the scv i should try to set Outercontainer |
| 11:05.04 | Pierro | i mean right now the Effect Hook i use |
| 11:05.09 | Pierro | is Dammage effect |
| 11:05.19 | Pierro | on the target the scv attack |
| 11:06.30 | ProzaicMuze | actually,y ou could make the unit "spawn unit" every time you attack. |
| 11:06.56 | ProzaicMuze | then each attack it creates an item by the SCV |
| 11:07.01 | ProzaicMuze | it's not in the scv, btu it's a start |
| 11:08.52 | Pierro | hmm thank you for your help but i m stuck. I need to make the drop system to work |
| 11:09.04 | Pierro | It will be a mess otherwise |
| 11:09.26 | ProzaicMuze | mmk np |
| 11:09.42 | Pierro | and event only create model ?, |
| 11:09.44 | ProzaicMuze | I haven't dabbled in inventories yet, but someone mentioned a tutorial about items on the site |
| 11:09.45 | Pierro | or graphics |
| 11:09.56 | ProzaicMuze | event would create the actual unit rather than the model |
| 11:10.04 | ProzaicMuze | It's the Effect - Create Unit |
| 11:10.16 | Pierro | hmm |
| 11:10.17 | ProzaicMuze | then you can choose what unit, how many, who it belongs to and how far away. |
| 11:10.23 | Pierro | ill check |
| 11:10.33 | Pierro | but i think my salvation is in the loot |
| 11:10.39 | Pierro | got to go |
| 11:10.40 | Pierro | cya |
| 11:11.22 | ProzaicMuze | mmk, laters |
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| 11:23.41 | xXm0RPH3usXx | does anyone know if i can install my sc2 now? i had to reformat and lost the patches and everything due to that... as the beta is temporarily down i'm wondering if i can still install the game and update |
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| 11:30.00 | pkol | um, did reavers in sc1 friendly fire? |
| 11:30.02 | pkol | i dont remember |
| 11:30.12 | pkol | the scarab explosions that is |
| 11:32.52 | Fisker | they did |
| 11:35.05 | pkol | just read that they didn't |
| 11:35.07 | pkol | heh |
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| 11:38.32 | Megalon | Fisker friendly fires common sense |
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| 11:39.57 | Fisker | yeah Megalon also that |
| 11:40.13 | Fisker | but i'm pretty sure i've seen some accidental friendly fire in some fights |
| 11:41.21 | Pierro | hi again |
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| 11:42.32 | ashamed | hey |
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| 11:46.24 | Kalekin | Is there an option in the editor that stops it from minimizing when testing a map? |
| 11:53.21 | SiNiquity | Not that I've seen ;[ |
| 11:53.31 | pkol | what model should i use for my reaver? |
| 11:53.39 | SiNiquity | The reaver model |
| 11:53.44 | pkol | is it in game? |
| 11:53.47 | pkol | currently |
| 11:53.52 | SiNiquity | No |
| 11:53.56 | pkol | well then |
| 11:53.58 | SiNiquity | lol |
| 11:54.14 | SiNiquity | A very large Larva |
| 11:54.19 | SiNiquity | Colored yellow |
| 11:54.20 | pkol | tinted yellow |
| 11:54.22 | pkol | love it |
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| 12:05.42 | pkol | cool, my probe has a working reaver attack |
| 12:05.44 | pkol | :D |
| 12:16.17 | Demonette | Hey guys ^^ |
| 12:17.46 | Demonette | why we can set a degree offset for radii? |
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| 12:32.17 | ashamed | OMG |
| 12:37.08 | Nooblet | Alright heres the deal i suck with triggers and i have taken about 30 tutorials and i still suck. I need help with victory conditions and what i need is when your hatchery dies you lose the game. How do you make this work? |
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| 12:41.20 | Helral|working | unit dies --> condition dying unit type == hatchery --> other condition number of units of unit-type (hatchery) in unit group (all units in entire map owned by triggering player matching conditions) --> set defeat for triggering player. |
| 12:41.37 | Helral|working | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:41.45 | Helral|working | forgot the == 0 there ;p |
| 12:41.58 | Nooblet | Thank you! |
| 12:41.59 | Helral|working | something like that I suppose would do what you want. |
| 12:41.59 | Clord | nooblet... you make us sound very talented |
| 12:42.00 | Clord | lol |
| 12:42.12 | Clord | it is not seriously that hard |
| 12:42.20 | Nooblet | Clord or i make myself sound very dumb |
| 12:42.21 | Helral|working | btw I haven't gotten the trigger editor here so I don't know the exact trigger conditions. |
| 12:42.44 | Clord | other way is to put hatchery directly to events |
| 12:42.53 | Clord | etc |
| 12:43.03 | Clord | or that any unit dies.. if any unit type is hatchery |
| 12:43.05 | Clord | gg ^^ |
| 12:43.33 | Nooblet | Ya this shit confuses me |
| 12:43.50 | Nooblet | Im stll having problems even after he told me how to do it. |
| 12:44.12 | Helral|working | hehehe |
| 12:44.27 | Clord | it might be that my logical way to think makes it easier for me |
| 12:44.28 | Clord | lol |
| 12:44.34 | Helral|working | did you find the setup I meant. |
| 12:44.43 | Nooblet | I have no clue what your talking about |
| 12:44.48 | Helral|working | Trigger -> Event -> any unit dies. |
| 12:44.53 | Clord | >_> or IQ test of score about 140 |
| 12:45.31 | Helral|working | Condition -> Unit Type of Unit -> Unit = Dying Unit. other side of the compare: select Hatchery from the value list. |
| 12:45.32 | Nooblet | ok i have the hatchery that when it dies you lose now wwhat |
| 12:45.41 | Helral|working | ah ^^ |
| 12:45.51 | Helral|working | now you might want to count the remaining players. |
| 12:45.55 | Nooblet | There is no Unit Type of Units |
| 12:46.07 | Helral|working | hmmmm there should be... |
| 12:46.08 | Nooblet | 8 players total |
| 12:46.09 | Clord | unit type condition |
| 12:46.12 | Clord | for triggering unit |
| 12:46.17 | Clord | to check it is hatchery type |
| 12:46.50 | Helral|working | Clord I suppose you have the editor there? can you help Nooblet further. ;p |
| 12:47.54 | Clord | lol |
| 12:48.00 | Clord | I can quickly cook up trigger |
| 12:48.16 | Helral|working | I'm at work doing this out of my head ;p kinda annoying ;p |
| 12:48.19 | Nooblet | Can you use pastebin thing and send me the ling? |
| 12:48.32 | Nooblet | link* |
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| 12:51.16 | Clord | http://pastebin.com/r9qMiMdH |
| 12:51.41 | Clord | ^^ |
| 12:52.19 | Clord | it can be even easily improved |
| 12:52.23 | Clord | to work even for entire team |
| 12:53.21 | Clord | I post corrected version lol |
| 12:53.33 | Clord | http://pastebin.com/UxHKuhrQ |
| 12:57.24 | Helral|working | I think less is better for him atm ;p |
| 12:58.09 | Clord | lol |
| 12:58.17 | Helral|working | btw Clord: your trigger setup doesn't work at all for 1v1v1 ;p |
| 12:58.23 | Helral|working | 1 person loses and the rest wins. |
| 12:58.32 | Clord | I know |
| 12:58.35 | Helral|working | or 2v2. |
| 12:58.47 | Helral|working | 1 loses and his teammate loses as well and the other team wins. |
| 12:59.04 | Helral|working | it does work for "protect the Hatchery" map ;p |
| 12:59.16 | Clord | well... I just did what he asked |
| 12:59.17 | Clord | lol |
| 12:59.21 | Helral|working | where you've got 2 teams sending waves towards an enemy Hatchery ;p |
| 12:59.59 | Clord | that stuff is about as easy my card triggers =) |
| 13:00.04 | Helral|working | sort of tower wars like thing. |
| 13:00.42 | Clord | I never before had done card triggering like in my "THE Card Game" map but I about immediately knew what to do |
| 13:00.43 | Clord | :) |
| 13:00.51 | Clord | and I don't write stuff that much even down |
| 13:02.02 | Clord | trigger "add cards" is just like card pack... it creates those cards for players... then "use card" trigger just simply uses them |
| 13:02.28 | Helral|working | uhm write down???? |
| 13:02.39 | Clord | you know |
| 13:02.45 | Clord | I plan in my head instead use some paper piece |
| 13:02.46 | Clord | lol |
| 13:02.52 | Helral|working | how do you write stuff down? ;p |
| 13:03.01 | ashamed | I dont write stuff either |
| 13:03.02 | ashamed | lol |
| 13:03.04 | ashamed | I just go |
| 13:03.10 | Clord | yeah me too |
| 13:03.12 | Helral|working | just creates what he wants. |
| 13:03.14 | Clord | I just begin randomly from something |
| 13:03.15 | Clord | ^^ |
| 13:03.21 | Helral|working | I don't bother with creating a plan. |
| 13:03.28 | Clord | I just desired to start from adding cards system |
| 13:03.31 | Helral|working | I randomly start with a RDG ;p |
| 13:03.35 | Clord | then after to implement system to use them |
| 13:03.36 | Clord | :) |
| 13:03.48 | ashamed | Yeah i useally start with a system I want.. and if I get it working good. Then I make the map around it |
| 13:03.49 | Clord | then started add more cards |
| 13:04.38 | Helral|working | btw Clord for your medivac add a behavior that makes it target nearby damaged units with it's ability. ;p |
| 13:04.52 | Clord | meh |
| 13:04.54 | Clord | it does not really matter |
| 13:10.27 | ashamed | Who liked Smash TV?? for sc? |
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| 13:10.46 | ashamed | I just put together some terrain for it. I think I am going to go for it :) |
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| 13:15.55 | Jum-Jum | Smash TV on SNES was so awesome |
| 13:16.05 | Jum-Jum | I am still waiting for someone to remake that |
| 13:19.23 | ashamed | That is what i am going to be making? |
| 13:20.06 | ashamed | I made it so there is like 10 rooms, but they are all connected. So I will be able to make alot of differnt rooms. |
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| 13:27.41 | Jum-Jum | the thing with smashtv was that they had some interesting enemies |
| 13:27.53 | Jum-Jum | like robots who were linked together and had this electric fence |
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| 13:29.59 | slightlyrandom | Hm, adding a progress bar to a spelleffect |
| 13:30.03 | slightlyrandom | Anyone worked that one out? |
| 13:30.14 | ekcolnovkol | does anyone know the last time they upated the GE |
| 13:30.27 | slightlyrandom | Blue bar ontop of the unit the effect is on, counting up or down until the thing is finished |
| 13:30.43 | slightlyrandom | ekcolnovkol: Last patch? v16? |
| 13:32.38 | Repo | New map: http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/enters-variable-region-tutorial/. Enters (Variable Region) Tutorial. Moooyaah (Manager/Author). Approved by vjeux. |
| 13:32.48 | Repo | New map: http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/base-wars/. Base wars. moffar (Manager/Author). Experimental. Approved by vjeux. |
| 13:35.21 | Jum-Jum | slightlyrandom: You mean a cast bar? |
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| 13:37.16 | pkol | what effect can i use a reaver/scarab explosion? |
| 13:37.21 | slightlyrandom | Yeah |
| 13:37.50 | slightlyrandom | I want a "castbar" over the victims of my modified Fungal Growth spell |
| 13:37.54 | slightlyrandom | That'll show when the effect is over |
| 13:38.23 | slightlyrandom | pkol: How about the Protoss Building Death one? |
| 13:38.27 | slightlyrandom | probably the small one of them |
| 13:38.28 | pkol | hm |
| 13:38.32 | pkol | ill try it out |
| 13:38.34 | pkol | cheers |
| 13:40.55 | Jum-Jum | cant you take the explosions from other units like stalkers? |
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| 13:58.46 | pkol | cool :D |
| 13:58.56 | pkol | my probe with reaver scarabs is now complete |
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| 14:05.50 | slightlyrandom | Awesome pkol |
| 14:06.03 | slightlyrandom | Sure missed the Reaver |
| 14:08.15 | ashamed | Jum-Jum> like robots who were linked together and had this electric fence ( I have seen a spell like this in the spell section ) |
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| 14:11.08 | Jum-Jum | yeah I think someone did something similiar with pylons |
| 14:13.49 | ashamed | I saw it with probes I think |
| 14:14.07 | ashamed | and one probe had to attack the other. and the beam in between each other would harm units |
| 14:15.51 | Ka[L]ekin | What does it mean when it says calling a function is not authorized? :/ |
| 14:22.43 | Helral|working | Interesting error |
| 14:22.48 | Helral|working | when did you get that? |
| 14:35.24 | Ka[L]ekin | I am trying to test out Set Dialog Item Flash |
| 14:35.46 | Ka[L]ekin | which in turn calls the library's internal function, Set Dialog Item String Value |
| 14:35.58 | Ka[L]ekin | "00:00:00.00 Trigger Error in 'gt_MeleeInitialization_Func': Calling 'DialogControlSetPropertyAsString' is not authorized" is the error |
| 14:36.11 | Grum | aww where is vjeux ;( |
| 14:36.31 | Grum | no-frenshy to make fun of now :P |
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| 14:42.24 | Maul | OH YEAH MCDONALDS TIME |
| 14:42.44 | slightlyrandom | The event Random Unit from Unit Group |
| 14:42.58 | slightlyrandom | When does that thing fire? |
| 14:43.36 | slightlyrandom | is random = any, or whats the magic |
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| 14:46.36 | A1win | how's that an event? |
| 14:46.54 | A1win | isn't it just a function that picks a random unit from a unit group? |
| 14:46.57 | slightlyrandom | There is an event called RandomUnitFromUnitGroup |
| 14:47.03 | slightlyrandom | does something |
| 14:47.08 | slightlyrandom | becomes idle, for example |
| 14:47.18 | slightlyrandom | And yes, that is exactly my question |
| 14:47.24 | A1win | "random unit from unit group becomes idle" for example? |
| 14:47.28 | slightlyrandom | yup |
| 14:47.39 | A1win | I doubt that'd do anything |
| 14:47.45 | slightlyrandom | I am confused myself |
| 14:47.50 | slightlyrandom | seems to work though |
| 14:47.53 | slightlyrandom | strangest bloody thing |
| 14:48.05 | slightlyrandom | seems random = any |
| 14:48.08 | A1win | why'd you use it though? |
| 14:48.22 | A1win | why not just use "any unit becomes idle" or something, whatever you need |
| 14:48.32 | slightlyrandom | Effeciency ;) |
| 14:48.51 | slightlyrandom | I only want to check the units of a given player |
| 14:49.12 | A1win | then use a condition that checks the player |
| 14:49.13 | slightlyrandom | and any unit with condition player checks 100 times more units than random unit from group player |
| 14:49.47 | A1win | it checks it for all units anyway |
| 14:49.56 | pkol | how much would it suck to be an overlord carrying an ultralisk? |
| 14:50.09 | Grum | its in its sack ... |
| 14:50.25 | pkol | would you want an ultra in your sack? |
| 14:50.34 | Grum | ultrasack! |
| 14:50.59 | A1win | it makes no difference to check the player condition in the event itself or in the conditions |
| 14:51.18 | slightlyrandom | Probably not, but I'm gonna do it anyway! |
| 14:51.42 | A1win | then few days later you look at it and think wtf is this supposed to do :x |
| 14:51.59 | slightlyrandom | hah, yeah |
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| 14:52.14 | slightlyrandom | It'll be an awesome mystery |
| 14:52.23 | A1win | clarity is more important than efficiency (and you probably wouldn't even achieve any efficiency with that) |
| 14:52.55 | slightlyrandom | Well, I made the trigger that fired by far the most fire pretty much never |
| 14:53.53 | A1win | uh, what? D: |
| 14:54.23 | SiNiquity | That was.. slightly random. ;) |
| 14:54.32 | slightlyrandom | hehe |
| 14:54.50 | slightlyrandom | I have a trigger that is supposed to make the mobs start walking if they become idle |
| 14:55.09 | slightlyrandom | But the thing went on and checked every time any of my 100 turrets became idle as well, then failed on the condition |
| 14:55.32 | slightlyrandom | So I had one trigger with 1000's of triggers in my trigger debugger, and it bugged me |
| 14:55.44 | A1win | what was the condition then? |
| 14:55.49 | slightlyrandom | Player = 15 |
| 14:55.55 | Grum | it triggered your annoyance? |
| 14:56.00 | A1win | "owner of triggering unit"? |
| 14:56.07 | slightlyrandom | It triggered my annoyance indeed |
| 14:56.07 | slightlyrandom | yes |
| 14:56.17 | A1win | odd |
| 14:56.29 | slightlyrandom | Well, it triggered, then checked the condition, then went away |
| 14:56.41 | slightlyrandom | Still, took 0.014 ms each time! |
| 14:56.43 | Repo | 10yabot: 03vlovsky * r44 YABOT (5 files in 2 directories): [1] Tested and fixed command queued verification |
| 14:56.45 | Repo | [2] Fixed length in BO queue |
| 14:56.45 | Repo | [3] Implemented simple BO use BS_test_chat -teco (no implicit food, needs more testing) |
| 14:56.47 | A1win | I thought the debugger doesn't show triggers that fail at condition |
| 14:56.52 | Grum | slightlyrandom: that's what she said! |
| 14:57.00 | slightlyrandom | ;) |
| 14:57.22 | Grum | (really good you named a time below a second, else you could still say: better 1 second in heaven than none!! :p) |
| 14:57.51 | slightlyrandom | 0.015ms... they add up! |
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| 14:58.13 | slightlyrandom | Only takes 70 of those to make a second |
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| 14:58.20 | A1win | no |
| 14:58.24 | A1win | over 700k |
| 14:58.39 | slightlyrandom | hm, you're right |
| 14:58.40 | A1win | it's 0.015ms, that's 0.0000015s |
| 15:00.58 | slightlyrandom | Oh well, lets see what kinds of bugs I just introduced by doing that |
| 15:01.11 | slightlyrandom | It'll be an awesome mystery! |
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| 15:26.29 | Clord | bah |
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| 15:30.02 | Mokse | Hey, can anyone help me with a simple actor problem in the object editor? |
| 15:30.16 | Mokse | err, data editor |
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| 15:31.46 | Mokse | I'm making a tower defense, and I wanted to put two actors on the same unit, which worked. However, I wanted one of the actors raised and above the other actor. Kind of like sitting on top of it, can anyone help? |
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| 15:32.09 | ashamed | I gotta go to the bathroom bad bad |
| 15:33.01 | RedWraith | Hey guys, I want to create two towers for my TD: a regular phase cannon and a 'dark templar' phase cannon with a different skin and a red colored attack. |
| 15:33.11 | RedWraith | How would I go about this/would I need to use 3dsmax? |
| 15:34.53 | Mokse | You can make both with the data editor - just choose the actors you want (you can also change their color/size/rotation) and then assign them to different units. |
| 15:35.12 | RedWraith | I don't mean color changes... |
| 15:35.16 | RedWraith | I mean skin changes... |
| 15:35.33 | Mokse | ah...well you can only change textures in 3ds max as far as i know |
| 15:35.41 | RedWraith | @_@ |
| 15:35.49 | RedWraith | And is it possible to do that...without losing animations? |
| 15:36.04 | Mokse | i would just use a different blizz model or just change the color and size |
| 15:36.20 | RedWraith | wait, that would mean I'd have to store the same model twice |
| 15:36.21 | RedWraith | sigh |
| 15:36.30 | RedWraith | I need a way that only adds the texture to the map. :( |
| 15:36.33 | Mokse | i'm not an expert with models, but i'm assuming it would save the animations |
| 15:36.52 | Mokse | kind of just like a "fill" tool, but then again, not an expert |
| 15:37.24 | RedWraith | I'm actually worried that it would 'double-save' the tower, so say I want a dozen different towers |
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| 15:37.34 | RedWraith | with the same model/animations, but different skins |
| 15:37.46 | RedWraith | it would take up like 20 mb just from all the goddamn models :P |
| 15:38.21 | Mokse | i think it's a strange idea, you're just going to have a bunch of different textures on the same model and have them be different towers? |
| 15:38.36 | supadots | my buttons in my inventory are showing up as white boxes, what am i doing wrong? |
| 15:39.03 | RedWraith | Yes. |
| 15:39.14 | Mokse | i suck with UI, a tutorial is your best bet |
| 15:39.21 | Mokse | for the inventory buttons |
| 15:39.30 | RedWraith | And that's not a strange idea at all. In fact, the idea of having different textures on the same model is very common with video games. |
| 15:39.53 | RedWraith | LoL, for example, I think does it |
| 15:39.59 | RedWraith | HoN...sort of? does it. |
| 15:40.14 | Mokse | so it's going to be like a marine, and then a marine with a darker texture, and then a marine with like special emblems, and then a marine with a white gun? |
| 15:40.18 | RedWraith | Blizzard had a dozen units that were very slightly different in Warcraft 3. |
| 15:40.28 | RedWraith | Yeah, but phase cannons. |
| 15:40.39 | RedWraith | Wouldn't that be well...awesome? |
| 15:40.53 | Mokse | hmm, well, if you don't have 3ds max it's pretty infeasible |
| 15:41.01 | Mokse | and you'd have to enlist a modeler |
| 15:42.17 | Mokse | as far as substitutions for the actual textures, you can do a lot of things with size and color...i'm just thinking back to WC3 tower defenses and stuff |
| 15:42.54 | Mokse | but yeah, sorry there's no easy solution |
| 15:43.50 | Mokse | Anyone happen to know how to modify actor height when you have two actors assigned to the same unit? e.g. raise one actor so it's sitting on top of the other |
| 15:45.00 | supadots | that sounds interesting... |
| 15:45.52 | supadots | it depends on where u edit the height, is it under actor or unit? |
| 15:46.07 | Mokse | i've already got both actors on the unit, but they're intersecting and it's nto the look i want |
| 15:46.08 | Mokse | well |
| 15:46.15 | Mokse | if you edit the unit height both actors rise |
| 15:46.18 | Mokse | because they're both assigned |
| 15:46.23 | supadots | ah |
| 15:46.24 | supadots | hm |
| 15:46.28 | Mokse | and i don't know how to modify actor height |
| 15:46.37 | supadots | have you tryed special effects? |
| 15:46.48 | supadots | in triggers? i dont dont how much they changed that... |
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| 15:46.55 | Mokse | hmm |
| 15:47.03 | Mokse | i'd rather not use triggers to do it |
| 15:47.07 | Mokse | but i suppose i could |
| 15:47.08 | supadots | yeah. |
| 15:47.20 | Mokse | i kind of wanted to just do straight through the Data Editor |
| 15:47.27 | supadots | do we still have to fix memory leaks in sc2 editor? |
| 15:47.36 | supadots | or did they do that for us already? |
| 15:49.18 | RedWraith | I'm just trying to figure out |
| 15:49.29 | supadots | err, where can i find the field to edit collision? |
| 15:49.29 | RedWraith | what all these texture declarations in the model are for :( |
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| 15:50.15 | Mokse | unit/movement is where all the collision flags are |
| 15:50.20 | Mokse | in the data editor |
| 15:50.59 | RedWraith | Texture Declarations clearly allow for multiple models, but texture information seems interesting as well. |
| 15:51.54 | supadots | is it called "Separation Radius" |
| 15:51.55 | supadots | ? |
| 15:53.08 | RedWraith | I'm wondering how they get multiple variations in... |
| 15:59.37 | slightlyrandom | supadots: There are various collision filters |
| 16:01.28 | slightlyrandom | Flags for what it collides with, an radius thingies for how close it can get to em. And when in doubt, set both Radius. They don't do what it says in the desciption, I found |
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| 16:07.33 | RedWraith | *sigh* |
| 16:07.37 | RedWraith | I think it's safe to say |
| 16:07.40 | RedWraith | that Texture Information |
| 16:07.44 | RedWraith | is never used |
| 16:07.47 | RedWraith | in any of the models |
| 16:07.48 | RedWraith | :( |
| 16:08.21 | supadots | lol |
| 16:08.43 | supadots | why the hell are all the buttons black and white |
| 16:08.46 | supadots | it pisses me off |
| 16:08.56 | supadots | the unit icons are in color |
| 16:09.09 | supadots | why not the spells and abilitys |
| 16:09.27 | Dustin | Cause SC isn't as colorfull as wc3 :P |
| 16:09.33 | supadots | meh |
| 16:09.43 | Mokse | yeah...it's beta |
| 16:09.46 | Mokse | so meh |
| 16:09.59 | supadots | im guessing it will stay like that tho |
| 16:10.01 | supadots | are the raid doodads working for anyone else |
| 16:10.06 | supadots | rain* |
| 16:10.09 | Dustin | I like the icons being black and white |
| 16:10.10 | supadots | and dirt stuff |
| 16:10.14 | Dustin | more definition for the icon |
| 16:10.54 | supadots | whats a good model to use for a item |
| 16:11.07 | supadots | for when its not in inventory |
| 16:11.09 | Dustin | crate |
| 16:11.10 | nicoli_s | skizot made a bunch of item models |
| 16:11.11 | Mokse | small crate |
| 16:11.46 | supadots | when i copy the actor i cant select a unit |
| 16:12.41 | supadots | nvm |
| 16:12.42 | supadots | i got it |
| 16:13.27 | Mokse | Anyone happen to know how to modify actor height when you have two actors assigned to the same unit? e.g. raise one actor so it's sitting on top of the other |
| 16:13.52 | supadots | i still think special effects is the way to go on that one. |
| 16:15.02 | Mokse | hmm alright |
| 16:15.37 | supadots | how do i remove an actor from a unit |
| 16:16.10 | supadots | i tryed deleting the actor |
| 16:16.13 | supadots | that didnt work |
| 16:17.07 | Mokse | i'm guessing you needed to set the actor to the (none) unit before you deleted, and now you have to assign another actor for it to override it? |
| 16:17.52 | supadots | tryed to assign it to another, still has the zerg model instead of the crate |
| 16:18.32 | supadots | meh i restarted it |
| 16:18.34 | Nevir | deleting it should work - you may have to re-place it in the editor (though it usually crashes when you delete the actor of a unit that's placed) |
| 16:18.35 | supadots | and it worked |
| 16:18.42 | supadots | the editor is dumb. |
| 16:19.43 | supadots | but now the crate is invisible |
| 16:19.44 | supadots | >.< |
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| 16:20.10 | Mokse | make sure you have all the models assigned under the actor |
| 16:20.15 | Mokse | if you copied the actor |
| 16:21.20 | supadots | yeah they are, but the actor was once a doodad and i switched it to a unit type actor |
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| 16:21.30 | supadots | would that be a problem? |
| 16:22.03 | ashamed | guys work is not busy for once |
| 16:22.04 | Mokse | no |
| 16:22.07 | ashamed | this is fricken amazing |
| 16:22.08 | Nevir | Mokse: for the unit height, use a site operator (there's one for tweaking heights specifically) and then type it's name into the site operations of the actor you want to shift up |
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| 16:26.43 | Mokse | SOpHigherBy5? |
| 16:28.19 | Nevir | Yeah, that looks like it'd work too |
| 16:28.25 | Nevir | make your own if you want to tweak the offset |
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| 16:29.53 | Mokse | sweet, thanks |
| 16:30.06 | Nevir | yup - those things are useful as hell :P |
| 16:30.51 | ekcolnovkol | ~ain't no stoppin us now |
| 16:30.52 | Mokse | oh my god it's perfect, thanks so much :D |
| 16:30.58 | ekcolnovkol | ~we're on the move |
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| 16:37.04 | Repo | New announcement: http://www.sc2mapster.com/announcements/map-analyzer-dot-u-spell-contest/ |
| 16:38.23 | supadots | my crate still isnt showing up :O |
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| 16:38.49 | vjeux | (news!) |
| 16:39.43 | ashamed | so work just got busy again |
| 16:39.44 | ashamed | :( |
| 16:39.59 | supadots | i duplicated a crate actor and changed its type to unit, than i assigned it to a unit and the model doesnt show up what did i do wrong? |
| 16:40.55 | Dustin | You duplicated stuff |
| 16:41.06 | Dustin | I had problems like then when I duplicated crap |
| 16:41.13 | Dustin | Best to mke stuff from scratch |
| 16:41.17 | ashamed | i hate duplicating stuff |
| 16:41.32 | Dustin | It just adds to much crap |
| 16:41.36 | ashamed | I don't understand why they have a program that can duplicate.. but it doesn't work lol |
| 16:41.49 | Dustin | It works, just it's very sketchy |
| 16:41.58 | Dustin | And not setup to be user friendly at all |
| 16:41.59 | supadots | can u assign an actor to multiable units> |
| 16:41.59 | ashamed | I know I was trying to duplicate a zergling and it messed my game up like 10 times |
| 16:42.12 | ashamed | this one time it made a zergling model at the center of all of my other models in my game |
| 16:44.00 | ashamed | you can sup just you go to the actor and change the model to the unit you want. |
| 16:44.03 | ashamed | I think... |
| 16:45.02 | Dustin | dude |
| 16:45.06 | Nooblet | Hey guys if i was doing a 4 vs 4 (Top Vs Bottem) should i make it so if one player dies they lose or the whole team so the other person can spectate? |
| 16:45.06 | Dustin | It did that for my crate |
| 16:45.18 | Dustin | all my untis had crates on their origins |
| 16:45.23 | ashamed | lol |
| 16:45.37 | Dustin | I was like...thats not even fucking clsoe to what I jsut did |
| 16:45.49 | Clord | my card game obviously needs graveyard feature ^^ |
| 16:45.59 | Clord | nothing like revenge of the dead ;) |
| 16:46.52 | ashamed | i know |
| 16:47.02 | Clord | lol |
| 16:47.04 | ashamed | i dont understand how duplicating a model can put that model on all of your units |
| 16:47.07 | ashamed | i was confused too |
| 16:47.12 | ashamed | I was like HOW could that even happen |
| 16:47.26 | ashamed | and i never figured out out to bump it back. I had to just restart from an older file |
| 16:47.27 | Clord | bugs |
| 16:47.38 | ashamed | want to hear bug |
| 16:47.51 | Clord | go outside and pick one up |
| 16:47.56 | Clord | then put it to your ear |
| 16:48.05 | ashamed | my game created a variable for a ping... and it messed up my vision triggers |
| 16:48.13 | ashamed | it would not ally vision anyone or display any of my map |
| 16:48.35 | ashamed | it took me like 2 days to figure out what was going on |
| 16:48.43 | ashamed | i saw the variable and was like wtf.. and deleted it. |
| 16:48.47 | ashamed | Everything worked after that |
| 16:48.57 | ashamed | It didn't even have a trigger or anything |
| 16:49.13 | Nooblet | Can someone tell me how to set vision for certain players or teams |
| 16:49.14 | Nooblet | ? |
| 16:49.24 | ashamed | its the ally trigger |
| 16:49.27 | ashamed | you can set to vision too |
| 16:49.47 | Nooblet | alright thanks |
| 16:49.48 | Jum-Jum | i think its called properties |
| 16:49.50 | Jum-Jum | in player |
| 16:49.54 | Jum-Jum | or alliances |
| 16:50.12 | ashamed | its one or the other for sure |
| 16:51.47 | supadots | can u assign an actor to multiable units? |
| 16:57.04 | Nooblet | Jum-Jum i do not know where i am suppose to be looking |
| 17:02.08 | Jum-Jum | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:02.16 | Jum-Jum | in triggers |
| 17:02.20 | Jum-Jum | action |
| 17:02.55 | wOlfLinG | Any easy way to save inventory and exp when a hero dies? |
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| 17:04.18 | Bifuu | hai |
| 17:05.22 | supadots | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:05.26 | Helral | hey |
| 17:05.35 | ashamed | you need to changed model |
| 17:05.37 | Helral | check the model. is it set correctly? |
| 17:05.39 | ashamed | you have the editor model |
| 17:05.42 | ashamed | but not the game |
| 17:06.28 | Helral | Actors --> Art - Model |
| 17:07.04 | ashamed | what he said |
| 17:07.21 | supadots | i dont see Art- Model |
| 17:07.27 | ashamed | its under the actor |
| 17:07.28 | supadots | just Model |
| 17:07.32 | ashamed | that is good |
| 17:07.41 | ashamed | there should be like 5-6 of them |
| 17:07.43 | ashamed | all right there |
| 17:07.57 | ashamed | one will say editor/game/death |
| 17:07.58 | ashamed | etc |
| 17:08.08 | supadots | yeah |
| 17:08.14 | supadots | i have crate for all of those |
| 17:08.15 | ashamed | change them all to the same |
| 17:08.21 | ashamed | no its all the same model |
| 17:08.25 | ashamed | i mean not the death |
| 17:08.29 | ashamed | but editor/game |
| 17:08.30 | ashamed | is the same |
| 17:08.33 | supadots | yes |
| 17:08.49 | Helral | hmmm try setting it again, and see if that fixes it. |
| 17:08.51 | Nooblet | Jum-Jum thats good but i want them to have vision over a wide area not just each others stuff |
| 17:10.33 | ashamed | you will have to use vision trigger then |
| 17:10.39 | ashamed | and set up vision radiuses |
| 17:10.40 | Nooblet | Ughh |
| 17:10.42 | supadots | didnt fix it :/ |
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| 17:10.54 | Nooblet | Can someone make it and put it on Pasebin and send me the link? |
| 17:11.10 | supadots | you dont know how to do triggers? |
| 17:11.19 | Nooblet | No triggers are my weakness |
| 17:11.31 | supadots | you cant make a map without triggers :/ |
| 17:11.32 | Nooblet | I took like 30 tutorials it just messes with my head |
| 17:11.33 | Helral | Nooblet: do you want to disable the entire fog? |
| 17:11.57 | Nooblet | Helral Some but not all |
| 17:12.52 | Nooblet | supadots yeah i know thats why im asking you guys for help |
| 17:12.53 | Jum-Jum | you're just making a melee map Nooblet? |
| 17:13.17 | Nooblet | No |
| 17:13.33 | Nooblet | Custom map with a hero and other stuff |
| 17:13.38 | Repo | 10sc2-map-analyzer: 03dimfish * r3 / (8 files in 1 directory): |
| 17:13.39 | Repo | Changing influence calculation to run for every PAIR of start locations, rather than every location versus every other at once. This is to measure the influence and then balance between each possible spawn configuration in 1v1. |
| 17:14.18 | Helral | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:14.18 | Helral | Complete Area, is a region on my own map. use this to reveal the selected region for the given player (in this case player 1) |
| 17:14.53 | Jum-Jum | and now, explain what regions are :P |
| 17:15.04 | Nooblet | Lmao |
| 17:15.12 | Nooblet | i know what regions are |
| 17:15.15 | Nooblet | silly |
| 17:16.54 | Nooblet | ALright thank you Helral |
| 17:17.10 | Nooblet | You to Jum-Jum |
| 17:17.47 | Helral | Jum-Jum doesn't know what regions are O.o ;p |
| 17:17.57 | supadots | my crate still wont show up |
| 17:18.56 | Jum-Jum | I meant explain it to Nooblet. :| |
| 17:18.59 | RedWraith | hmm |
| 17:19.10 | RedWraith | I'm trying to make a unit replace itself with something more powerful |
| 17:19.17 | RedWraith | after a certain time has elapsed |
| 17:20.37 | Helral | supadots: does the model that you use still exist in your map (if it's a custom model)? |
| 17:20.48 | supadots | its just a crate |
| 17:21.01 | supadots | so yes. |
| 17:22.07 | Bifuu | Month and 5 days away! |
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| 17:26.24 | supadots | O_O |
| 17:26.55 | supadots | no ideas? |
| 17:32.12 | Helral | can I take a look at the map? maybe I'll see what's wrong then... |
| 17:35.45 | wOlfLinG | Any way to make a unit attackable, but not killable? |
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| 17:35.58 | BifWOOT | too lazy to ghost my name |
| 17:36.01 | BifWOOT | so this will do |
| 17:36.25 | Helral | wolfling: trigger: unit takes dmg, set unit hp to max? |
| 17:37.27 | wOlfLinG | That won't work. I want it to be... well, sorta killable. Its for my hero respawning thing |
| 17:37.43 | BifWOOT | 1 more paycheck and i might can get my laptop! |
| 17:38.10 | wOlfLinG | I want it to get to 1/0 hp |
| 17:38.17 | wOlfLinG | but not be able to actually die |
| 17:38.31 | BifWOOT | no flag for it like i guessed? |
| 17:39.09 | wOlfLinG | nope :( |
| 17:39.14 | Helral | http://forums.sc2mapster.com/development/tutorials/3584-trigger-saving-hero-levels-abilities-items-stats-on/ |
| 17:39.21 | Helral | you want to do that? |
| 17:39.27 | wOlfLinG | Closest is invulnerable, but that just stops most things attacking it |
| 17:40.00 | wOlfLinG | pretty much |
| 17:40.15 | Helral | well there you go ;) a nice 2 line tutorial ;p |
| 17:40.45 | wOlfLinG | :) |
| 17:41.10 | wOlfLinG | although i thought i read somewhere that the damage is applied before the trigger runs, meaning it dies anyway :/ |
| 17:41.30 | Helral | increase his hp with the damage taken. |
| 17:41.43 | Helral | dunno how well that works, but you can try that. |
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| 17:46.23 | Helral | well my zealot can't die with that trigger. |
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| 17:52.15 | supadots | why are there so many ppl in this thing |
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| 17:53.51 | Helral | because they like to monitor you |
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| 17:56.44 | ctccromer | is it possible to show the minimap in a dialog? |
| 17:57.03 | RedWraith | Hey guys, where can I find a good 'unit from scratch' tutorial, or otherwise does someone know how to associate a model with a newly created, unduplicated unit? |
| 17:57.08 | RedWraith | associate an actor* |
| 17:57.32 | ctccromer | not sure |
| 17:57.54 | ctccromer | i think you modify the link in the actor instead of the unit though |
| 17:59.51 | wOlfLinG | how would i make (Unit type of (Triggering unit)) == All heros[0] condition check if the triggering unit is one of the unit types in that variable? Right now it only seems to check the 0 index in the array :/ |
| 18:00.29 | wOlfLinG | my All heros array is a unit type array btw |
| 18:00.34 | RedWraith | Or |
| 18:00.35 | nicoli_s | ctccromer:im pretty sure you can use the minimap in a dialog, pretty sure i saw some map where you had to pick a point on the minimap in a dialog |
| 18:00.40 | RedWraith | Alternatively, loop it. |
| 18:00.49 | RedWraith | but the Or condition |
| 18:00.51 | RedWraith | is your best bet |
| 18:01.01 | ctccromer | nicoli_s: any idea how to do it? |
| 18:01.51 | Helral | @nicoli_s: that was a home made minimap probably. |
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| 18:02.24 | zedrone | Hi ! |
| 18:02.35 | zedrone | I found the solution. and this was really stupid =))) |
| 18:02.43 | zedrone | for my burrow thing... |
| 18:02.52 | ctccromer | home-made minimap is fine as long as yall can explain how to do it. The only needs are that it starts out all black and the "show" thing works like a normal minimap |
| 18:03.01 | nicoli_s | ctccromer:nope, i dont make maps |
| 18:03.06 | Helral | http://www.sc2mapster.com/assets/simple-minimap/ |
| 18:03.39 | zedrone | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:04.04 | ctccromer | Helral: thanks, i'll look at that now :) |
| 18:07.08 | redmarine | What was the function called for converting a negative integer value to a positive one? |
| 18:07.17 | redmarine | Forgot :o |
| 18:07.19 | wOlfLinG | Talking of minimaps, anyone map RA3? The minimap system on that was retarded -.- |
| 18:07.25 | Helral | absolute |
| 18:07.43 | redmarine | okay thanks |
| 18:08.01 | wOlfLinG | It was just grey unless you screenshotted, exported as a TGA, put it into a special folder and set it ingame as the map -.- |
| 18:08.14 | wOlfLinG | Im glad SC2 does it automatically :D |
| 18:08.39 | zedrone | lol |
| 18:08.54 | zedrone | lazy programmer =) |
| 18:09.21 | Helral | what is it zedrone? |
| 18:09.30 | Helral | ow you weren't talking bout me were ya? |
| 18:09.51 | Helral | yawns |
| 18:09.52 | zedrone | about the RA3 programmer to not built in a function to make a minimap =) |
| 18:09.59 | Helral | hehehe ;p |
| 18:10.08 | zedrone | --; |
| 18:10.13 | Helral | neh I thought you were talking to me there for a sec. cause ya said "lazy programmer" |
| 18:10.23 | Jum-Jum | haha |
| 18:10.27 | Jum-Jum | oh Helral, you lazy programmer! |
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| 18:10.35 | Helral | yeah what is it Jum Jum |
| 18:10.38 | zedrone | i'm so pump up ! my 2 evening nightmare with supply depot is solved ! |
| 18:10.39 | zedrone | =) |
| 18:10.45 | Jum-Jum | Wait |
| 18:10.50 | Jum-Jum | RA3? |
| 18:11.00 | Helral | Jum-Jum, you want to get explained what regions are now? |
| 18:11.14 | Jum-Jum | I thought you wrote RA2 first, but RA3 is new how could they not add that :S |
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| 18:11.42 | Jum-Jum | Helral: Its when you add water! Its called waterregion! |
| 18:11.45 | wOlfLinG | Dunno. But the amount of maps that had no minimap due to the complexity of it was just retarded -.- |
| 18:11.58 | zedrone | ? |
| 18:12.06 | zedrone | its complexe to make a screenshoot ? |
| 18:12.09 | zedrone | =) |
| 18:12.20 | wOlfLinG | It sounds less comples than it was i think |
| 18:12.24 | wOlfLinG | complex* |
| 18:12.33 | Helral | don't forget you have to modify that screenshot so it only contains the map. |
| 18:12.39 | wOlfLinG | yeah |
| 18:12.43 | zedrone | oki |
| 18:12.44 | zedrone | =) |
| 18:12.55 | Helral | and then you'll have to be able to save it as tga ;p |
| 18:13.00 | wOlfLinG | I think it was the modification and conversion that people found confusuing |
| 18:13.14 | Helral | and then you'll have to get it compiled into the map somehow. |
| 18:13.26 | wOlfLinG | That was the main reason i turned to modding :D |
| 18:13.39 | wOlfLinG | But with SC2 i can mod and map at the same time ^^ |
| 18:13.40 | zedrone | did someone already try to make a "multi level" minigame ? with a news map each level ? |
| 18:14.00 | Helral | news map? |
| 18:14.13 | RedWraith | new maps |
| 18:14.30 | zedrone | - s |
| 18:14.32 | zedrone | =) |
| 18:14.33 | Helral | ain't bragging but...... |
| 18:14.33 | Helral | http://forums.sc2mapster.com/development/project-workplace/2407-helrals-random-dungeon-map/ |
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| 18:14.39 | Helral | *cough cough* |
| 18:14.50 | slightlyrandom | Yeah, thats not it |
| 18:15.02 | Helral | it has a new map each level ;p |
| 18:15.06 | slightlyrandom | I thought about it zedrone, but it was just too much work, and I had other things to do |
| 18:15.07 | zedrone | nice, i'm gonna look at that =) |
| 18:15.09 | Helral | it ain't a minigame though. |
| 18:15.20 | zedrone | it's a lead =) |
| 18:15.25 | Helral | ;p |
| 18:15.27 | zedrone | it's all i need for now |
| 18:15.37 | RedWraith | Helral, how did you make the dungeon itself? |
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| 18:15.45 | RedWraith | making it random like that, I mean |
| 18:15.45 | zedrone | did it had a "randomness" in level ? |
| 18:15.50 | slightlyrandom | The "easy" way to make what you're thinking about zedrone, is to make all the minigames next to each other, then dynamically restrict the camara and map bounds |
| 18:15.56 | Helral | using the random integer function of sc2 ;p |
| 18:16.10 | Helral | I use it a lot. |
| 18:16.16 | RedWraith | Not funny. :P |
| 18:16.18 | RedWraith | I meant like |
| 18:16.19 | Alpha_vst | same |
| 18:16.19 | RedWraith | the rooms |
| 18:16.20 | RedWraith | and shit |
| 18:16.28 | zedrone | yes sligthlyrandom, i think about that too, just checking the option for now |
| 18:16.29 | zedrone | =) |
| 18:16.31 | ctccromer | WTF! So i'm lookin at that minimap tutorial map, and i understand it, but they used the trigger action "create minimap" right? I swear that isn't an option on my map |
| 18:16.34 | ctccromer | no idea why i cant see it |
| 18:16.52 | ctccromer | goes from Create Cheat to Creat Tip! |
| 18:16.54 | Helral | ctccromer: import the library. |
| 18:16.57 | RedWraith | They probably created the actions themselves. :P |
| 18:17.05 | ctccromer | you can make custom actions? O.o |
| 18:17.09 | RedWraith | Yes. |
| 18:17.22 | ctccromer | didnt know that. how do i import that? |
| 18:17.28 | slightlyrandom | Map, Import |
| 18:17.30 | Helral | http://forums.sc2mapster.com/development/project-workplace/2407-helrals-random-dungeon-map/#p7 <-- how I did it in short. |
| 18:17.31 | slightlyrandom | or something close to it |
| 18:17.42 | Helral | hit ctrl+shift+L |
| 18:17.46 | Alpha_vst | stop showing off helral |
| 18:17.49 | Alpha_vst | :P |
| 18:17.50 | Helral | right click in the area that appears. |
| 18:17.55 | Helral | click on import library |
| 18:18.13 | Helral | make that Library -> import library |
| 18:18.30 | RedWraith | :( |
| 18:18.33 | RedWraith | Mine is better. |
| 18:18.45 | Helral | your what? |
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| 18:18.50 | RedWraith | Sentry Scramble! |
| 18:18.54 | Helral | lol |
| 18:18.56 | Helral | ;) |
| 18:19.03 | RedWraith | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0u5HwLR9Brc |
| 18:19.07 | Alpha_vst | lol |
| 18:19.09 | Helral | don't get hit by the fireball ;p |
| 18:19.18 | Alpha_vst | mines getting better :P |
| 18:19.27 | Helral | mine is good enough ;p |
| 18:19.34 | Alpha_vst | so is mine |
| 18:19.38 | Alpha_vst | but its getting better |
| 18:20.00 | zedrone | mine is bigger =) |
| 18:20.03 | zedrone | (sry) |
| 18:20.15 | Helral | zedrone: bigger ain't always better. |
| 18:20.33 | zedrone | it's a small response ^^ |
| 18:20.37 | RedWraith | Alpha, wasn't yours true random? :P |
| 18:20.46 | Helral | *coughs* |
| 18:20.54 | Helral | true random? |
| 18:20.58 | ctccromer | Helral: okay i got the area to show and see how to import something to the Built-In library |
| 18:21.02 | Alpha_vst | yeah |
| 18:21.06 | Alpha_vst | for the most part |
| 18:21.13 | RedWraith | What I mean is |
| 18:21.14 | ctccromer | but how do i take the library from your file? export it then import it to mine? |
| 18:21.15 | RedWraith | he has no algorithm |
| 18:21.19 | RedWraith | he just spawns at random locations |
| 18:21.20 | RedWraith | :P |
| 18:21.26 | RedWraith | i.e. he has no way of deciding walls |
| 18:21.28 | Helral | did you download the library he uploaded to the site? |
| 18:21.42 | ctccromer | wait no i didnt |
| 18:22.13 | Helral | btw it isn't my Asset. |
| 18:22.22 | ctccromer | thought it was |
| 18:22.31 | Helral | it's from some guy named Talon0815 |
| 18:23.03 | ctccromer | there we go |
| 18:23.08 | ctccromer | i exported and imported |
| 18:23.13 | Alpha_vst | lol |
| 18:23.58 | zedrone | Helral, did you read about the random generation in Torchlight ? |
| 18:24.15 | Helral | uhm nope. |
| 18:24.39 | slightlyrandom | This editor gives the weirdest problems some times. |
| 18:24.40 | Helral | actually I made mine without reading up on any random map generation things. |
| 18:24.55 | zedrone | oki =) |
| 18:24.56 | Alpha_vst | same lol |
| 18:25.16 | slightlyrandom | Is anyone doing a random minigame game ? |
| 18:25.17 | Alpha_vst | mostly why mines so basic :P |
| 18:25.17 | Helral | Twiner was like: I'm gonna make a random map generator... |
| 18:25.29 | slightlyrandom | Because I'd like to contribute to one |
| 18:25.29 | Helral | so I was like, ah well why not try it as well. |
| 18:25.41 | Alpha_vst | twiner got it from me... |
| 18:25.45 | Helral | and the result is what you can see right now. |
| 18:25.45 | zedrone | sentry scramble is fully random too ? (red ?) |
| 18:26.31 | slightlyrandom | RedWraith runs some checks and stuff on his map, so it is generated randomly within fairly strict constraints |
| 18:26.34 | slightlyrandom | As I understand it |
| 18:26.35 | RedWraith | eh? |
| 18:26.43 | RedWraith | oh, that algorithm is completely random |
| 18:26.46 | Helral | the downside of using total random generated area's is that you'll get locked out area's. |
| 18:26.50 | RedWraith | it's like |
| 18:26.53 | RedWraith | full region |
| 18:26.57 | RedWraith | make 70 holes |
| 18:26.59 | Dustin | Helral |
| 18:27.04 | zedrone | oki |
| 18:27.04 | RedWraith | right angles from each one to the next |
| 18:27.05 | Dustin | I just walked through a wal on your map :P |
| 18:27.13 | slightlyrandom | hahaha |
| 18:27.14 | RedWraith | ofc it's a little more complicated than that :P |
| 18:27.15 | Helral | Dustin: secret door ;) |
| 18:27.18 | RedWraith | to avoid dead ends and all |
| 18:27.21 | RedWraith | but that's about it. |
| 18:27.22 | Dustin | nice i found a couple hehe |
| 18:27.41 | RedWraith | It does have some constraints, though. |
| 18:27.53 | Helral | don't know who it was but someone walked through one of those hidden walls and got ganged by 2 or 3 zerglings. |
| 18:27.56 | RedWraith | They guarantee a 0% chance of dead ends that are one long outside of the exact center. |
| 18:27.59 | slightlyrandom | Aren't secret doors found by running down a corridor and spamming <Space> ? |
| 18:28.21 | Helral | lol |
| 18:28.27 | Helral | not at my map ;p |
| 18:28.31 | slightlyrandom | Thats how I grew up with secrets :( |
| 18:28.42 | Helral | although they will automatically light up in version 0.7 orso. |
| 18:28.47 | Helral | if you spot them that is. |
| 18:28.58 | Helral | Hero attribute ;) |
| 18:29.30 | Helral | enough points in spot = lighting up of hidden walls nearby. |
| 18:29.59 | Helral | higher the spot the larger the area or the better hidden walls are visible as doorways. |
| 18:30.36 | Dustin | Wish you could hide the area in black |
| 18:31.44 | Helral | hide the area in black? |
| 18:32.03 | Dustin | Well |
| 18:32.18 | Dustin | like how you can see the ground and the walls show up |
| 18:32.31 | zedrone | i had a strange bug in your map helral... i load it in the editor, and laucnh it to test |
| 18:32.43 | Dustin | if you could hide all the area you cant see and then it looks like you'r exploring and not getting random walls poping up outa the air |
| 18:32.45 | zedrone | it charge, ask me for "map level" |
| 18:33.08 | zedrone | and build the map. but the camera is not "on top"... so i cant play =) |
| 18:33.15 | Helral | hit middle mouse button. |
| 18:33.23 | zedrone | oki=) |
| 18:33.24 | Dustin | zed, Hold Mouse 3 and move the mouse around |
| 18:33.24 | zedrone | sry |
| 18:33.25 | Helral | and turn the camera you like |
| 18:33.25 | Helral | then release. |
| 18:33.47 | Helral | I'm fixing the standard camera position in the current release ;) |
| 18:34.15 | ctccromer | Helral: the minimap works fine except for one thing: it shows the minimap the whole time. How do i get it to do the vision (brigh/gray/black) thing like the regular minima? :( |
| 18:34.19 | Helral | btw typing "-help" gives info in some maps like mine. |
| 18:34.30 | ctccromer | shows the whole map the whole time* |
| 18:34.45 | Helral | the whole map ? |
| 18:34.48 | Dustin | oh it's wasd, nice |
| 18:34.51 | Helral | not a zoomed in part? |
| 18:34.56 | ctccromer | nope |
| 18:35.06 | ctccromer | i set image to the minimap.tga |
| 18:35.15 | Helral | ow |
| 18:35.16 | Helral | roflol |
| 18:35.21 | ctccromer | >.< |
| 18:35.25 | Helral | you are talking about the minimap from that Asset |
| 18:35.35 | ctccromer | its not in a file |
| 18:35.38 | ctccromer | just minimap.tga |
| 18:35.46 | Helral | as I said earlier It ain't my Asset. I've never used it. |
| 18:35.59 | ctccromer | ah, okay sorry. you seemed to know a lot about it |
| 18:36.15 | Helral | http://www.sc2mapster.com/search/?search=minimap <-- |
| 18:36.21 | Helral | reason why it seemed that way. |
| 18:36.34 | Dustin | Woot I got like 280 coins |
| 18:36.37 | Helral | what search functions are good for ;p |
| 18:36.46 | Helral | hehehe you've been playing for a bit I see ;p |
| 18:36.58 | Dustin | Dungeon level 5 :D |
| 18:37.10 | Helral | ahhh you've gotten the dungeon crawler achievement already then. |
| 18:37.20 | Dustin | yup :) |
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| 18:37.35 | Helral | did you get the kill achievement yet? |
| 18:37.45 | Dustin | didnt see one pop up |
| 18:38.05 | Helral | btw how do you think that the achievements are looking? |
| 18:38.29 | Dustin | text is a bit offcentered, but I like the style and image of them |
| 18:39.03 | Helral | I've finally figured out how to center the text. so that will be happening in either the next version or the one after that. |
| 18:39.24 | Alpha_vst | my god that map lags liek a shit hole |
| 18:39.31 | Dustin | Nice |
| 18:39.37 | Helral | hmmm? my map, AV? |
| 18:39.42 | redmarine | What is the function for turning a positive integer into a negative one? |
| 18:39.58 | Alpha_vst | yeah |
| 18:40.02 | vjeux | http://megaswf.com/view/7e945ddae89f33c0a49859f45c290f1d.html |
| 18:40.13 | vjeux | it looks so much like a real world map |
| 18:41.56 | Alpha_vst | and you have a error Helral wioth your visiblity thing |
| 18:42.07 | Helral | StringToInt(CombineString("-",IntToString(value))) |
| 18:42.11 | Dustin | vjeux, I don't get it |
| 18:42.29 | Helral | AV: fixed in version 0.5 (although it ain't released yet.) |
| 18:42.35 | vjeux | it's a random map generator |
| 18:42.44 | vjeux | click to generate more examples |
| 18:42.50 | vjeux | and, it looks like a world map |
| 18:42.50 | Alpha_vst | i cant play your game though Helral |
| 18:43.31 | Helral | AV: I want you to test my next version then. I removed all of the periodic events. |
| 18:43.38 | Alpha_vst | i get 0 FPS |
| 18:44.01 | Zironic | wouldn't it be easier to just do value-value*2 then convert it to a string and back? |
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| 18:46.46 | heysparky | howdy folks |
| 18:47.00 | Triceron | Ahoy |
| 18:47.02 | Helral | hey sparky |
| 18:47.19 | Alpha_vst | HEY |
| 18:48.16 | johanw123 | is it possible to ctrl-bind a unit for a player with triggers? |
| 18:49.00 | zedrone | yes |
| 18:49.12 | slightlyrandom | Unit Control or something similar |
| 18:49.15 | slightlyrandom | Control Group |
| 18:50.26 | johanw123 | thx found it :) |
| 18:51.00 | wOlfLinG | lol, i told someone that deleting their registery would heal their PC and they believed me ^^ |
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| 18:51.06 | wOlfLinG | They havn't done it though |
| 18:51.10 | heysparky | doh... and I'm out! |
| 18:51.14 | heysparky | productive day! |
| 18:51.17 | heysparky | o.O |
| 18:51.19 | slightlyrandom | :) |
| 18:51.22 | heysparky | see you cats later |
| 18:51.30 | wOlfLinG | Byesparky |
| 18:51.32 | slightlyrandom | wOlfLinG: Thats slightly mean |
| 18:51.41 | heysparky | lol |
| 18:51.42 | heysparky | awesome |
| 18:51.49 | wOlfLinG | Yeah, well, they haven't actually deleted it yet :) |
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| 18:55.15 | slightlyrandom | That's random... Colossus started gliding across the map instead of using the walking animation. Changed its mover, then changed it back, now it works again |
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| 18:57.50 | Nooblet | Hey guys how do i set players on a team? |
| 18:59.55 | slightlyrandom | Pick them, then make them allies? |
| 19:01.01 | Nooblet | How |
| 19:01.18 | Dustin | Set Palyer X Allied with Player Y |
| 19:02.35 | Nooblet | Be more spacific where do i do this at |
| 19:02.43 | Nooblet | Its obviously the first time i have done it |
| 19:03.35 | Dustin | Are you making a melee map |
| 19:03.37 | Dustin | or a custom |
| 19:03.41 | Nooblet | Custom |
| 19:04.29 | Dustin | Go into your triggers, make a new trigger, make a new event for map initialization, make a new action, go to your functions and find Set player Allied with Player |
| 19:04.34 | Dustin | and fill in the players |
| 19:04.44 | Nooblet | Thank you. |
| 19:07.06 | Nooblet | Once in Actions to set the players there isnt anything to do with functions |
| 19:07.18 | zedrone | argh, cant find the missing 2% on map exploring (your map Helral ^^) grrr i never go down before finding the 2 missing % |
| 19:07.27 | Nooblet | (Just so you know im a terrain pro so im not noob witht the whole editor also good with data just not triggers) |
| 19:07.54 | Dustin | Nooblet, When you make an action it gives you a list of stuff right |
| 19:08.02 | Dustin | Should be default on Set Variable |
| 19:08.04 | Nooblet | Dustin , Yes |
| 19:08.22 | Nooblet | No |
| 19:08.26 | Dustin | On the left of the dialog that pops up there's filters |
| 19:08.33 | Nooblet | Nothing like that just pops a window with a bunch of stuff in it |
| 19:08.43 | Dustin | - All, Actor, AI, AI Advanced, Animation etc |
| 19:08.51 | Nooblet | Ya |
| 19:09.09 | Dustin | find and click player |
| 19:09.23 | Nooblet | k |
| 19:09.24 | Nooblet | done |
| 19:09.28 | Dustin | Then on the right side, find Set Alliance and double click it |
| 19:09.47 | Nooblet | Thank you!! |
| 19:09.51 | Dustin | np |
| 19:09.54 | Nooblet | Everyone Thank Dustin! |
| 19:10.40 | Nooblet | Wait how do i make player 1, 2 ,3 , and 4 allies it only lets me choose 2 |
| 19:11.26 | Dustin | Copy and paste that action |
| 19:11.32 | Dustin | And change each one |
| 19:11.44 | Nooblet | oh dang ok |
| 19:11.52 | Dustin | It's alot of work :P |
| 19:12.08 | Nooblet | haha |
| 19:12.17 | Dustin | If you hate clicking and repetition, map making isnt for you lol |
| 19:12.27 | Nooblet | if i make player 1 and 2 allies and 2 and 3 allies do i need to make one that 1 and 3 are allies? |
| 19:12.28 | Alpha_vst | lol for reals |
| 19:12.33 | Dustin | ya |
| 19:12.38 | Nooblet | Haha ok |
| 19:12.40 | rrowland | ugh There's no int to preset function |
| 19:12.45 | Nooblet | Be back next month |
| 19:12.46 | wOlfLinG | You could just add player 1,2,3 and 4 to a player group and then make all players in that player group treat each other as ally |
| 19:12.56 | Nooblet | ... |
| 19:12.57 | Nooblet | how |
| 19:12.58 | Nooblet | lol |
| 19:12.58 | Dustin | 1 & 2, 1 & 3, 1 & 4, 2 & 3 etc |
| 19:13.30 | Nooblet | w0lfLinG how do you do that? |
| 19:13.36 | wOlfLinG | Just 2 player group variables and then go from there |
| 19:13.38 | wOlfLinG | Hold on |
| 19:13.44 | Nooblet | ok |
| 19:13.44 | wOlfLinG | Ill get the exact code |
| 19:13.50 | Nooblet | Thanks |
| 19:16.10 | wOlfLinG | http://pastebin.com/nkt7D3re Just create a variable, change it to a player group and do this trigger :) |
| 19:16.29 | wOlfLinG | It also allows you to referance that side later on |
| 19:17.02 | wOlfLinG | Say if you want to check if the last dead unit was from a player or something |
| 19:17.16 | Nooblet | Thanks! |
| 19:17.20 | wOlfLinG | np :) |
| 19:18.45 | wOlfLinG | btw, im trying to remove all buffs and behaviors when a unit 'dies'. How do i change it to all that it didnt spawn with? |
| 19:20.31 | Nooblet | w0lfLinG how did you get them to be in PLayer Group 1 there isnt a value tab on mine |
| 19:23.33 | RedWraith | Okay guys, I want to understand the data editor better. |
| 19:23.36 | RedWraith | How would I go about this? |
| 19:23.48 | RedWraith | Are there any significant number of tutorials on how it works in-depth? |
| 19:23.56 | RedWraith | not just 'I can make a marine!' and so forth :P |
| 19:24.03 | RedWraith | I want to make units that change themselves and shit. |
| 19:24.04 | wOlfLinG | Not that ive seen |
| 19:24.20 | wOlfLinG | There is Bifuus hero tut though |
| 19:24.26 | RedWraith | hmm |
| 19:24.27 | wOlfLinG | http://www.sc2mapster.com/api-docs/getting-started-with-galaxy-edit/complete-hero/#w-final-thoughts |
| 19:24.53 | nSwarm | bifuu's hero tutorial helps a LOT from personal experience |
| 19:25.01 | RedWraith | I see. |
| 19:25.24 | RedWraith | I want to be able to make unique and interesting towers that are more based on the towers themselves than some special weapons design. |
| 19:25.37 | RedWraith | I like the idea of a tower defense game where things change on their won. |
| 19:25.38 | RedWraith | own* |
| 19:25.59 | RedWraith | Veterancy, towers that weaken over time, etc. |
| 19:26.15 | wOlfLinG | well, veterancy is explained in bifuus tut |
| 19:26.38 | wOlfLinG | Weakening over time can be a buff that every 1 second reduces the towers attack by 0.1 or something |
| 19:27.25 | wOlfLinG | feel free to ask me anything about the data editor. I should be able to help :) |
| 19:27.34 | wOlfLinG | Its triggers im a noob at xD |
| 19:28.29 | slightlyrandom | Someone told me the kill counter on towers is all well and good, but what really matters is damage done |
| 19:28.41 | slightlyrandom | Anyone done anything like that? |
| 19:29.04 | slightlyrandom | I could do it with triggers, but it doesnt seem the best way to do it |
| 19:29.19 | RedWraith | I could make magical uber-towers with triggers. |
| 19:29.26 | RedWraith | Thing is, I think it makes the game lag more. |
| 19:29.39 | slightlyrandom | Heh |
| 19:31.12 | slightlyrandom | The stupid way is to do something along the lines of OnUnitTakesDamage AddDamage to CustomValueOfAttackingUnit |
| 19:31.27 | slightlyrandom | and then pick each unit and make a text tag above it with the Custom Value |
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| 19:32.59 | bifuuu | i should really log my other name out |
| 19:33.03 | bifuuu | but im lazy |
| 19:33.17 | Nooblet | wOlfLinG , You have a new message!! |
| 19:33.25 | ekcolnovkol | hey biffu |
| 19:33.32 | bifuuu | hola |
| 19:33.33 | ekcolnovkol | you familiar with actor attachments? |
| 19:34.13 | ekcolnovkol | :u |
| 19:34.31 | bifuuu | not really |
| 19:34.34 | ekcolnovkol | q.q |
| 19:34.37 | ekcolnovkol | weeps |
| 19:35.04 | Triceron | what do you need to know about attachments? |
| 19:35.13 | bifuuu | waiting for launch to get uber uber at the editor sooo yeah other people are aheaad of me in editor knowledge now =/ |
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| 19:35.22 | Nooblet | Hey guys i know i asked this question before but i needed to set up player groups and im done with that. How do i set the vision that a group can see? |
| 19:35.40 | ekcolnovkol | trying to restore blizzard's deployment of fungal growth, since it's broken in the editor |
| 19:35.56 | RedWraith | Nooblet, declare players as allies. :O |
| 19:36.01 | ekcolnovkol | it's wierd... they kinda just took out their projectile for the spell for no reason |
| 19:36.15 | Nooblet | RedWraith that does not give them the extra vision i am looking for. |
| 19:36.30 | Helral | Nooblet: you mean shared vision? |
| 19:37.00 | Nooblet | Helral no i mean i want the whole group to be able to see a certain distance. Well i mean remove the fog for them. |
| 19:37.10 | Triceron | I'm not familiar with the fungal growth change |
| 19:37.11 | Helral | create revealer? |
| 19:37.15 | Triceron | was it a visual change? |
| 19:37.25 | ekcolnovkol | hey bifuu |
| 19:37.28 | Nooblet | How do i make a revealer |
| 19:37.34 | ekcolnovkol | did you originally have a project in progress |
| 19:37.43 | Helral | see visibility category in the trigger action list. |
| 19:37.50 | Helral | play around with them a bit. |
| 19:37.58 | ekcolnovkol | i only noticed you made a load of tutorials, but no defining project |
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| 19:38.25 | wOlfLinG | Anyone know how i would go about resetting behaviors via triggers without having to 'Remove 1 *Behavior* from triggering unit' for every behaviour i have? :( |
| 19:39.00 | Alpha_vst | yeah |
| 19:39.10 | Alpha_vst | remove all behviors |
| 19:39.17 | Helral | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:39.21 | bifuuu | ekcolnovkol: yeah but no map for it out yet |
| 19:39.40 | bifuuu | i have a map i released as a proof of concept |
| 19:39.50 | Helral | remove it by category. if you set the ones you want to be removed to the same category it should be easier ;p never tried it though ;p |
| 19:39.52 | ekcolnovkol | do you have a project planned? |
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| 19:40.32 | bifuuu | http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/defend-your-command-center/ is what i released |
| 19:40.54 | bifuuu | http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/stranded-days/ is what i have planned as a main project for myself |
| 19:40.54 | wOlfLinG | Ok, so how do i make a buff that lasts till death temporary? |
| 19:41.08 | bifuuu | plus im supposed to be working on another map set with pandepic |
| 19:41.16 | JacobNielsen | hey can anybody tell me what i did wrong in the data editor, i create a model (Generic) and gave it a model, then i went to my unit and try to change the model to my newly create one, but i cant find it anywhere? |
| 19:41.18 | bifuuu | but i havnt heard from him in a while |
| 19:41.25 | ekcolnovkol | i see |
| 19:41.27 | ekcolnovkol | :< |
| 19:41.33 | Alpha_vst | lol |
| 19:42.03 | ekcolnovkol | crawls back into the darkness |
| 19:42.21 | Alpha_vst | updated graphics for my game :D http://i45.tinypic.com/6josg6.jpg |
| 19:42.22 | bifuuu | i would like to work on an RPG project sometime after launch aswell |
| 19:43.02 | Helral | wolfling: there's a whole list of behavior flags that you can set it to for removal. ;p |
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| 19:43.09 | Helral | dunno what side effects it will hav though. |
| 19:43.17 | ekcolnovkol | i wish i could have someone work on heroes while i fix bugs D; |
| 19:46.27 | ekcolnovkol | interesting how it's impossible to loop any animation named "Morph".... |
| 19:46.31 | ekcolnovkol | why the fucx |
| 19:47.05 | Nooblet | How do i change reveal area for player 1 to reveal area to player group 1? |
| 19:48.07 | bifuuu | share vision? |
| 19:48.13 | Helral | pick each player in playergroup(playergroup 1), reveal area for picked player. |
| 19:48.35 | Helral | bifuuu: he's using revealers. |
| 19:48.41 | ekcolnovkol | anyone how know to directly modify .m3 files? |
| 19:48.49 | bifuuu | o |
| 19:48.57 | bifuuu | is watching soccer |
| 19:49.01 | Helral | ekcolnovkol: see 3dmax+m3plugin |
| 19:49.05 | Helral | what match? |
| 19:49.08 | bifuuu | or football where ever you may be from |
| 19:49.15 | bifuuu | Korea and Nigeria |
| 19:49.58 | wOlfLinG | South Korea is too busy playing SC1 to play football :D |
| 19:49.59 | Alpha_vst | yeah |
| 19:50.00 | bifuuu | cant wait to watch the USA Game tomorrow |
| 19:50.05 | wOlfLinG | USA fails |
| 19:50.15 | wOlfLinG | We only drew with you cause of a fail keeper >< |
| 19:50.15 | bifuuu | you fail |
| 19:50.30 | wOlfLinG | We wouldve won easily on any other day |
| 19:50.42 | bifuuu | but not that day =P |
| 19:50.58 | Triceron | you can only modify .m3 through the exporter atm |
| 19:51.08 | Triceron | unless you have hardcore tool programming knowledge |
| 19:51.14 | Triceron | and hex edit the crap out of it |
| 19:51.17 | ekcolnovkol | why the hell would they have non-loopable animations |
| 19:51.19 | ekcolnovkol | this makes no sense |
| 19:51.34 | Triceron | there's some anims that don't need to be looped |
| 19:51.38 | ekcolnovkol | so? |
| 19:51.45 | ekcolnovkol | what, like Morph? |
| 19:51.54 | Triceron | yeah, maybe that |
| 19:51.55 | ekcolnovkol | why wouldn't anyone want to loop a morph animation |
| 19:52.16 | Triceron | because your starting state isn't the same as the end state |
| 19:52.22 | ekcolnovkol | but it is |
| 19:52.31 | ekcolnovkol | look at infestor's morph animation |
| 19:52.32 | Cloudwolf | sooo any way when does sc2 come out im too lazy to google it right now XD i'm sure some of you guys have it memorized |
| 19:52.34 | Triceron | it would flicker at the end of animation |
| 19:52.35 | ekcolnovkol | it blows my mind |
| 19:52.43 | wOlfLinG | I have a 'Spawn unit' ability. How do i amke an offset? It seems like they will all spawn at the target point when i want them to spawn at a random position within 2 range of the target point |
| 19:52.56 | Cloudwolf | math random? |
| 19:53.00 | Triceron | Cloudwolf july 27th |
| 19:53.10 | Cloudwolf | ty triceron |
| 19:53.33 | Alpha_vst | random point in region |
| 19:53.47 | Triceron | alright I should start my shameless plugging now |
| 19:53.48 | Cloudwolf | but i htinkt he issue is hes using a point and not a region alpha |
| 19:54.11 | Triceron | 4 days till sc2mapster modelling contest is done, remember to vote for me! |
| 19:54.29 | wOlfLinG | No! |
| 19:54.30 | Triceron | I'll make your wishes come true if you do |
| 19:54.37 | wOlfLinG | hmm... interesting |
| 19:54.40 | rrowland | My wish is a fully customized map |
| 19:54.50 | wOlfLinG | What sorta wishes do you grant? |
| 19:54.53 | rrowland | Also a pony |
| 19:54.59 | Triceron | I'll be sending out canned unicorn meat to all who vote for me |
| 19:55.13 | wOlfLinG | hmm... Not my wish, but is a reasonable offer |
| 19:55.16 | ekcolnovkol | while blizzard does make many thing possible with their editor, the lack of flexibility in some small areas blows my testicles wide open |
| 19:55.20 | Helral | uhm... Triceron... |
| 19:55.27 | Helral | unicorn meat is poisonous.... |
| 19:55.33 | wOlfLinG | D: |
| 19:55.34 | Triceron | only for those who eat it |
| 19:55.45 | wOlfLinG | So what would we use it for? |
| 19:55.53 | Cloudwolf | poisoning other people? |
| 19:55.55 | Triceron | how should I know? |
| 19:56.03 | bifuuu | Unicorn JErky |
| 19:56.03 | Triceron | it'll be your meat |
| 19:56.06 | Triceron | do whatever you want with it |
| 19:56.10 | wOlfLinG | meh, unicorn meat isnt my wish |
| 19:56.11 | Triceron | make your wishes come true |
| 19:56.22 | wOlfLinG | ill vote for someone else |
| 19:56.28 | Triceron | your loss |
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| 20:18.24 | Repo | 10sc2-map-analyzer: 03dimfish * r4 / (4 files in 1 directory): |
| 20:18.25 | Repo | Fix bug in calculating center of playable area that affected the naming of start locations by the clock face. |
| 20:20.31 | ProzaicMuze | Site Operators. Is it possible to make a custome Site Operator for use with Host SiteOps? |
| 20:21.38 | BoltHead | hey guys |
| 20:22.59 | ProzaicMuze | lol does anyone know what I mean by Site Operators? |
| 20:23.40 | nicoli_s | nope |
| 20:23.53 | nicoli_s | hi BoltHead |
| 20:23.58 | ProzaicMuze | :( |
| 20:23.59 | ProzaicMuze | dang |
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| 20:29.15 | Atlos | arrrrg im gonna rage |
| 20:29.27 | Atlos | this trigger should not be running |
| 20:29.29 | Atlos | but it is |
| 20:29.30 | Atlos | >_< |
| 20:31.09 | Firefly_ | anyone know how to change the position of a projectile weapon so it looks like its coming out of the gun? |
| 20:32.24 | ProzaicMuze | multiple ways |
| 20:32.38 | ProzaicMuze | How is it being fired? Ability or weapon? |
| 20:32.49 | Firefly_ | weapon |
| 20:35.02 | ProzaicMuze | mmk, do you have an actor for you rmissile? |
| 20:36.39 | Firefly_ | ya |
| 20:37.57 | ProzaicMuze | if it's an attack actor, then go to "Attachment - Launch Attachment Query +" and change it to Direct - Weapon _____ |
| 20:38.15 | Firefly_ | k |
| 20:38.20 | ProzaicMuze | You'll need to look at your unit model to see what it names it's gun attachment point |
| 20:38.35 | ProzaicMuze | If it's anything but zero, change the index number to whatever number it has. That's what the _____ is for |
| 20:39.08 | ProzaicMuze | You can check attachment points in the Previewer by pressing "A" when the desired model is on the screen and click on the arrow that is in the gun muzzle |
| 20:39.18 | ProzaicMuze | or barrel? |
| 20:39.24 | ProzaicMuze | whatever the end is called lol |
| 20:40.24 | Triceron | ref weapon? |
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| 20:42.11 | Pierro_ | Goodevening all |
| 20:42.19 | ProzaicMuze | I usually skip Methods and go to direct |
| 20:42.25 | ProzaicMuze | I want to know exactly which weapon it's gonna use lol |
| 20:44.16 | Pierro_ | Anyone achieved to make a unit drop something when it dies with data editor ? (With a map to test would be nice) |
| 20:47.48 | Firefly_ | k thanks i got it working |
| 20:48.06 | ProzaicMuze | np Firefly :) |
| 20:49.33 | Pierro_ | Hey ProzaicMuse Could you do a small map with an item dropping? Like 1 marine 1 scv and the item when the marine kill the scv ? |
| 20:49.48 | Pierro_ | I can do it in 5 minutes |
| 20:49.57 | Pierro_ | except the dropping part |
| 20:50.00 | Pierro_ | ... |
| 20:50.40 | ProzaicMuze | possibly, but I need to finish my tutorial first. |
| 20:50.55 | ProzaicMuze | For the beginner beams thread |
| 20:51.06 | ProzaicMuze | I'll let you know when I'm finished :) |
| 20:51.14 | Pierro_ | Yeah i read your post |
| 20:51.20 | Pierro_ | :) |
| 20:52.34 | BoltHead | Prozaic =) |
| 20:53.00 | ProzaicMuze | yesh? |
| 20:53.25 | BoltHead | do you know if there is a way to make an upgrade increase the armor of a building owned by a differant player? |
| 20:53.49 | ProzaicMuze | So when you purchase the upgrade it helps someone else? |
| 20:54.08 | BoltHead | well its a defend the base type map |
| 20:54.23 | BoltHead | so yeah the building is the main structure your defneding but you don't own it |
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| 20:54.44 | ProzaicMuze | hrm, that's a good question |
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| 20:55.18 | ProzaicMuze | You'll want to use a trigger |
| 20:55.41 | BoltHead | yeah thats ok, I just figured if there was a data editor way i'd do that |
| 20:55.56 | ProzaicMuze | So that when the player issues the order to purchase the technology, the trigger tells the defending structure to purchase it as well |
| 20:56.02 | BoltHead | I found a pretty niffy way to run triggers from the command card yesterday |
| 20:56.09 | ProzaicMuze | I don't think there is a way with the data editor |
| 20:56.18 | Pierro_ | hmm |
| 20:56.24 | Pierro_ | maybe create an ability |
| 20:56.25 | ProzaicMuze | Since upgrades apply to units owned by the player who bought it |
| 20:56.31 | ProzaicMuze | unless |
| 20:56.51 | ProzaicMuze | you can force it to train with an effect |
| 20:57.28 | BoltHead | that sounds more complex lol |
| 20:57.34 | Repo | New map: http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/somnium/. Somnium. ctccromer (Manager/Author). Approved by xhatix. |
| 20:57.46 | ProzaicMuze | eh, think of it more like attaching a permanent buff |
| 20:58.03 | ProzaicMuze | Every time you "upgraded" you'd apply a stacking buff to the structure to increase its armor |
| 20:58.29 | BoltHead | oh lol |
| 20:58.38 | ProzaicMuze | It would go something like > |
| 20:59.06 | ProzaicMuze | Button click > ability > search effect (with target sort) > apply behavior > permanent armor buff (stackable) |
| 20:59.16 | Pierro_ | or |
| 20:59.20 | Pierro_ | maybe bvetter |
| 20:59.25 | Pierro_ | modify unit |
| 20:59.52 | ProzaicMuze | can you change armor with modify unit? |
| 21:00.02 | Pierro_ | i m lokoking |
| 21:00.24 | ProzaicMuze | if so that would be pretty cool :) |
| 21:00.46 | ProzaicMuze | wait, there is an "issue order" effect lmao |
| 21:00.49 | ProzaicMuze | duh |
| 21:01.00 | ProzaicMuze | There yeh go |
| 21:01.08 | ProzaicMuze | Button click > ability > search > apply behavior > issue order |
| 21:01.17 | Pierro_ | There is no filed to modify the armor |
| 21:01.25 | ProzaicMuze | :( |
| 21:01.34 | Pierro_ | why apply behavior ? |
| 21:01.41 | Pierro_ | he can issue order from search ? |
| 21:01.46 | BoltHead | to make it research instead |
| 21:01.54 | ProzaicMuze | lol oops |
| 21:01.56 | ProzaicMuze | yeah, remove the apply |
| 21:02.25 | ProzaicMuze | Yeah, it would make the building research the upgrade itself every time you "shot" it with the "issue order" effect |
| 21:02.58 | ProzaicMuze | And just make sure the ability has a mineral/gas cost depending on what the upgrade would cost. |
| 21:03.10 | BoltHead | Problem would be limiting the upgrades... like if the comp was maxed you wouldn't want the player to purchase upgrades still |
| 21:03.48 | ProzaicMuze | oh ffs I forgot where color tint is lmao |
| 21:04.00 | ProzaicMuze | I need yellow lightning for this tutorial! |
| 21:04.17 | BoltHead | well thanks for the ideas =) |
| 21:04.35 | ProzaicMuze | Just add a switch/check |
| 21:04.49 | ProzaicMuze | So that it's Ability > Search > Check < Issue Order |
| 21:04.59 | ProzaicMuze | Or make the ability a single use ability. |
| 21:05.27 | ProzaicMuze | Or however many upgrades you have |
| 21:05.35 | Pierro_ | Validator guys |
| 21:05.42 | Pierro_ | come on ! |
| 21:05.51 | Pierro_ | Is armor < x |
| 21:05.58 | ProzaicMuze | That's kinda what the check is lol |
| 21:06.00 | Pierro_ | then ability start |
| 21:06.03 | Pierro_ | lol |
| 21:06.04 | Pierro_ | :) |
| 21:06.24 | ProzaicMuze | but you'd still have an ability icon left over that you could button mash |
| 21:06.38 | Pierro_ | I don't know why my item doesn't drop ... |
| 21:06.56 | Pierro_ | It is somehow strange |
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| 21:14.41 | rrowland | Ahhhh my spaghetti code is finally a modular library |
| 21:15.10 | ProzaicMuze | @.@ |
| 21:15.18 | ProzaicMuze | you changed food into books!? |
| 21:15.27 | rrowland | Yes |
| 21:15.28 | rrowland | I'm that good |
| 21:15.34 | ProzaicMuze | is jealous |
| 21:15.35 | Pierro_ | what is it for rrowland ? |
| 21:15.57 | rrowland | My entire inventory / shop system |
| 21:16.07 | rrowland | Which is a lot bigger than I remembered |
| 21:17.16 | ProzaicMuze | lol maybe you should talk to him Pierro lol |
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| 21:17.33 | rrowland | Hmm, anyone know if it's possible to define a custom label? |
| 21:17.37 | rrowland | In the editor |
| 21:18.04 | rrowland | For instance melee, ai, advanced ai, math |
| 21:18.09 | rrowland | Etc |
| 21:18.37 | Pierro_ | rrowland |
| 21:18.44 | Pierro_ | maybe you could help me |
| 21:18.49 | rrowland | maybe |
| 21:18.51 | Pierro_ | :) |
| 21:19.16 | ekcolnovkol | oh my god |
| 21:19.18 | ekcolnovkol | my infestor |
| 21:19.20 | ekcolnovkol | is so awesome |
| 21:19.23 | ekcolnovkol | D: |
| 21:19.23 | Pierro_ | Could you create a map with 2 unit and 1 item. When a unit kill the other the ite drop |
| 21:19.24 | ProzaicMuze | rrowland, are you giving labels to units or efects or what? |
| 21:19.33 | ProzaicMuze | And ekco, pics or it didn't happen |
| 21:19.42 | ekcolnovkol | oh it did happen |
| 21:19.43 | Pierro_ | because i can't get my item to be dropped |
| 21:19.47 | ekcolnovkol | pics are confidential |
| 21:19.49 | ekcolnovkol | ;) |
| 21:19.53 | ekcolnovkol | i'm just here to toot my horn |
| 21:19.57 | Triceron | it didn't happen |
| 21:19.58 | rrowland | I want to make my library 10x cooler by giving my actions custom labels |
| 21:20.02 | ProzaicMuze | I should be more like you and tell everyone I'm amazing every couple of hours ;) |
| 21:20.04 | ekcolnovkol | exactly |
| 21:20.15 | ekcolnovkol | i just cured cancer with my map |
| 21:20.16 | ProzaicMuze | But then never prove it so that I become so amazing that it borders god-like |
| 21:20.17 | ekcolnovkol | how about you |
| 21:20.19 | ekcolnovkol | ;D |
| 21:20.28 | ProzaicMuze | I created cancer 2.0 |
| 21:20.29 | Triceron | my map obtained world peace |
| 21:20.34 | ekcolnovkol | :*( |
| 21:20.38 | rrowland | Why would I do that pierro |
| 21:20.45 | ekcolnovkol | world peace is overrated |
| 21:20.45 | ekcolnovkol | :U |
| 21:20.53 | Pierro_ | Because you are awsome too |
| 21:21.12 | Pierro_ | And i don't know why my dropping system doesn't work |
| 21:21.16 | Pierro_ | so that i could compare |
| 21:21.31 | Pierro_ | Voilà: |
| 21:21.32 | Triceron | there's only one way to obtain world peace |
| 21:21.37 | ekcolnovkol | yes |
| 21:21.37 | ekcolnovkol | nukes |
| 21:21.37 | ekcolnovkol | :D |
| 21:21.47 | rrowland | I don't think you need a dropping system |
| 21:21.49 | ekcolnovkol | 4WE'RE GONNA FREE THE SHIT OUTTA YOU |
| 21:21.55 | rrowland | I think the default behavior is to drop items on death isn't it? |
| 21:22.02 | Triceron | FREEDOM FOR EVERYONE! |
| 21:22.06 | ekcolnovkol | WOOOO |
| 21:22.22 | Pierro_ | I don't know why it is not working.. |
| 21:23.11 | BoltHead | They can take our lives but they can never take our FREEDOM!! |
| 21:23.20 | ekcolnovkol | oh yes they can |
| 21:23.28 | ekcolnovkol | tell that to slavery |
| 21:23.29 | ekcolnovkol | :O |
| 21:23.31 | ProzaicMuze | gah I hate color math. . . |
| 21:23.42 | BoltHead | color math? |
| 21:23.47 | ekcolnovkol | lol |
| 21:23.52 | ProzaicMuze | blue + _____ = orange |
| 21:23.53 | Triceron | I think I'm gonna make a SC2 propaganda poster that says that |
| 21:23.54 | ekcolnovkol | #FFFFFFF |
| 21:23.56 | ProzaicMuze | or something crazy like that |
| 21:23.58 | rrowland | uhm |
| 21:24.01 | BoltHead | lmao |
| 21:24.11 | rrowland | ff0000 + 00ff00 = ffff00 |
| 21:24.15 | rrowland | Pretty simple |
| 21:24.20 | ProzaicMuze | lol I know |
| 21:24.26 | ProzaicMuze | but I have to look up said values first |
| 21:24.27 | ProzaicMuze | in photoshop |
| 21:24.38 | ekcolnovkol | is that the hard part? |
| 21:24.39 | rrowland | If you were pro you could do it by eye |
| 21:24.40 | BoltHead | http://stackoverflow.com/questions/340209/generate-colors-between-red-and-green-for-a-power-meter |
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| 21:24.47 | ProzaicMuze | I never said it was hard |
| 21:24.52 | ProzaicMuze | it's just annoying |
| 21:24.55 | ekcolnovkol | o |
| 21:24.56 | ekcolnovkol | :O |
| 21:25.09 | ProzaicMuze | I should just be able to tell the editor to "make this color that color kthxbai" |
| 21:25.10 | ProzaicMuze | now ork! |
| 21:25.12 | ProzaicMuze | no work* |
| 21:25.47 | ProzaicMuze | pro. . . lol I dun wanna be pro. |
| 21:25.50 | rrowland | Why don't you make a function |
| 21:26.01 | *** join/#sc2mapster RedWraith (~daviddavi@ip98-164-199-113.oc.oc.cox.net) |
| 21:26.06 | RedWraith | Let's face it guys. |
| 21:26.08 | RedWraith | I'm awesome. |
| 21:26.12 | ProzaicMuze | because that's a trigger thing and I'm not into triggers yet |
| 21:26.16 | RedWraith | ~seen tehwildcard |
| 21:26.38 | purl | tehwildcard <~Jer@pool-71-122-122-129.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #sc2mapster, 3d 2h 9m 13s ago, saying: 'You cant place it'. |
| 21:26.38 | ProzaicMuze | You suck balls and your mother is a whore red |
| 21:26.38 | RedWraith | ProzaicMuze, I know you love me. |
| 21:26.38 | ProzaicMuze | is barely containing the love within |
| 21:26.42 | rrowland | What is with everyone changing their nicks |
| 21:26.50 | rrowland | Your old ones weren't gay enough? |
| 21:26.53 | RedWraith | Hey, hey. I was the only one who did. :P |
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| 21:27.20 | RedWraith | afaik the rest of you did not, or if you did, you're unimportant to me anyway. |
| 21:27.34 | rrowland | random adjective + random noun = PRO NAME |
| 21:27.49 | Mokse | SexyPanda? |
| 21:28.15 | RedWraith | rrowland, these are hardly random. |
| 21:28.21 | RedWraith | Take a look at the icon for SC1. |
| 21:28.43 | ProzaicMuze | I'm a musician, so my name is a oxymoron based on that |
| 21:28.47 | ProzaicMuze | an* even |
| 21:29.32 | rrowland | ^red marine |
| 21:29.51 | rrowland | It's the winning formula I tell you |
| 21:30.07 | RedWraith | Still don't know who that guy is... |
| 21:30.10 | RedWraith | He was here a while ago... |
| 21:30.17 | RedWraith | Unrelated, though. |
| 21:30.59 | Atlos | hmm is there a way to give an offset |
| 21:31.00 | Atlos | to cameras? |
| 21:31.08 | Atlos | like I have it following my unit right now |
| 21:31.21 | Atlos | but I want my unit to be towards the bottom center of the screen instead of the middle center |
| 21:32.12 | Mokse | have a unit follow your unit, make it invisible, and then have the camera follow the invisible unit? |
| 21:32.14 | Mokse | hah. |
| 21:32.30 | Mokse | just above it like you said though so it's positioned correctly |
| 21:33.05 | Atlos | hmm that might cause complications |
| 21:33.06 | BoltHead | ProzaicMuze i'm confused how to do 'apply behavior > issue order' in the data editor |
| 21:33.25 | ProzaicMuze | don't lol |
| 21:33.28 | BoltHead | apply behavior is an effect, ability what? |
| 21:33.29 | ProzaicMuze | that was a mistake |
| 21:33.34 | BoltHead | meh... |
| 21:33.50 | ProzaicMuze | do search > effect (issue order) |
| 21:34.02 | BoltHead | ok is 'search' an effect? |
| 21:34.03 | ProzaicMuze | so button > search effect > issue order effect |
| 21:34.06 | ProzaicMuze | yep |
| 21:34.34 | rrowland | Finally got around to messing with your latest map prozaic |
| 21:34.46 | Nooblet | Hey guys i am making a map obviously and i have 6 zergling building on Bel'Shir or what ever grass, The problem is their health rapidly decreases while im testing the map and then die. Does anyone know how to fix this? |
| 21:34.52 | rrowland | If you aim directly at a unit there's like a 90% chance it won't even be aimed at him |
| 21:34.57 | rrowland | It misses lol. |
| 21:35.01 | Nooblet | Spawning Pools* |
| 21:35.03 | ProzaicMuze | ? |
| 21:35.05 | Nooblet | Couldnt remember haha |
| 21:35.09 | ProzaicMuze | one sec, lemme check it out |
| 21:35.20 | ProzaicMuze | that could be related to "target point" vs "target unit" |
| 21:35.38 | ProzaicMuze | but everything but that works as desired, yes? |
| 21:36.00 | rrowland | Well I won't be just copy+pasting it |
| 21:36.11 | rrowland | But yeah all I really need to look at is the damage and markers |
| 21:36.12 | ProzaicMuze | Obviously lol |
| 21:36.21 | ProzaicMuze | Mmk good |
| 21:36.30 | ProzaicMuze | Goal was just to demonstrate what you wanted so you can recreate |
| 21:36.57 | rrowland | My only concern is it still isn't what I need :P |
| 21:37.03 | rrowland | I'm worried about the sniper shot |
| 21:37.08 | rrowland | Since it speeds up as it goes |
| 21:37.13 | rrowland | It can skip over units |
| 21:37.31 | ProzaicMuze | you can apply a variable mover and variable effects |
| 21:37.33 | rrowland | Once it's fast enough |
| 21:37.42 | BoltHead | i'm so newb at this.... how do I make a button do search effect? |
| 21:37.50 | ProzaicMuze | buttons don't do anything |
| 21:37.53 | ProzaicMuze | you make the button |
| 21:38.05 | ProzaicMuze | then you make an ability and tell it to execute when you push previously created button |
| 21:38.08 | BoltHead | k so a new button |
| 21:38.10 | ProzaicMuze | give the unit the ability and the button in the command card |
| 21:38.21 | ProzaicMuze | then the ability is what tells the unit to issue the search effect |
| 21:40.04 | ProzaicMuze | holy crap rrowland, at certain angles it misses by as many as two whole units lmao |
| 21:40.10 | ProzaicMuze | I think I can fix that though |
| 21:41.49 | rrowland | lol |
| 21:42.00 | BoltHead | so are you talking about using a trigger now... |
| 21:42.18 | Pierro_ | Does anyone have a map with a unit dropping an item on death to share ? |
| 21:43.24 | Alpha_vst | hey everyone |
| 21:43.27 | Alpha_vst | weeee |
| 21:43.31 | RedWraith | hello Alpha |
| 21:43.54 | Alpha_vst | seen my new art yet? |
| 21:43.59 | RedWraith | So, the only really good information on the data editor is that hero tutorial, right? |
| 21:44.00 | RedWraith | Nope. |
| 21:44.02 | Alpha_vst | http://i45.tinypic.com/6josg6.jpg |
| 21:44.15 | RedWraith | It's...green. |
| 21:44.30 | Alpha_vst | ops |
| 21:44.31 | ProzaicMuze | the marine? |
| 21:44.32 | Alpha_vst | wrong ss |
| 21:44.55 | RedWraith | It looks unnaturally bright. |
| 21:44.57 | Alpha_vst | http://tinypic.com/usermedia.php?uo=zHAawG5Dm5ZXzOYgCXwp9Yh4l5k2TGxc those things look like that |
| 21:45.09 | Alpha_vst | grrr |
| 21:45.15 | Alpha_vst | my linking sucks :P |
| 21:45.18 | Alpha_vst | http://i50.tinypic.com/smt206.jpg |
| 21:45.28 | Helral | Red: what do you want to do with the data editor? |
| 21:47.39 | Alpha_vst | the hero tut is really good but there is other tutorials |
| 21:47.53 | ProzaicMuze | well this is just bizarre now |
| 21:47.59 | ProzaicMuze | if I do "target unit" it goes exactly to the unit |
| 21:48.11 | ProzaicMuze | if I do target point it goes exactly to the point |
| 21:48.24 | ProzaicMuze | but if I do target unit/point it goes to the point but strays from the unit |
| 21:48.25 | ProzaicMuze | wtf? |
| 21:50.04 | ProzaicMuze | rrowland, it looks like this is a data editor bug. |
| 21:50.52 | ProzaicMuze | If you set the missile launches to "target Point" it will hit the unit exactly. Target point gets any point exactly, but not units. Combining them seems to negate target unit and default to using target point every time (which prevents hitting targets at certain angles) |
| 21:50.59 | ProzaicMuze | er |
| 21:51.03 | *** join/#sc2mapster Mokse (42be09ab@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.190.9.171) |
| 21:51.12 | ProzaicMuze | missile launches to target unit is unit exact hit* |
| 21:51.59 | Mokse | mmm nub question, how do i upload a file to sc2mapster.com so i can attach it to a forum post? |
| 21:52.10 | ProzaicMuze | you make the post and then attach it to the post |
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| 22:06.44 | Mokse | ah thanks prozaic |
| 22:07.28 | ProzaicMuze | np |
| 22:08.01 | ProzaicMuze | rrowland, given your dubbed "pro" status, how teh hell do i get yellow from blue if I can't change the base color? |
| 22:08.18 | Mokse | i was overcomplicating it and trying to find some wikicreole code or something that attached a file to the original post.... |
| 22:08.24 | ProzaicMuze | lol |
| 22:08.56 | Alpha_vst | weee i fixed my threat system it wroks correctly now lol |
| 22:09.03 | *** join/#sc2mapster Griffith` (~Zeta@CPE002191074172-CM0013718d3546.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) |
| 22:09.25 | ProzaicMuze | then you should let me test/steal you rmap |
| 22:09.26 | Alpha_vst | silly me calling triggering player when it should of been damaging unit |
| 22:09.35 | Alpha_vst | mine? |
| 22:09.40 | ProzaicMuze | aye |
| 22:10.10 | Alpha_vst | once i get to ver 1 i might save it and release if after i release more versions |
| 22:10.53 | ProzaicMuze | lol |
| 22:10.55 | Mokse | i finally entered my super-awesome wallpaper contest submissions |
| 22:10.58 | ProzaicMuze | sounds cool :) |
| 22:11.02 | Mokse | make sure to vote for my awesomeness! |
| 22:11.04 | ProzaicMuze | to both |
| 22:11.05 | Mokse | :D |
| 22:11.07 | ProzaicMuze | link me |
| 22:11.07 | Alpha_vst | nope |
| 22:11.12 | ProzaicMuze | I'm too lazy to look |
| 22:11.28 | Alpha_vst | i would enter if i didnt have to submit my map |
| 22:11.33 | Mokse | http://forums.sc2mapster.com/development/project-workplace/3741-contest-wallpaper/?page=3#p44 |
| 22:11.52 | Mokse | i actually made this map awhile ago and it's not my current project |
| 22:12.05 | Mokse | you could always just copy/paste the part of the map that you want to another map and just submit that |
| 22:12.54 | Alpha_vst | lol no i cant actually |
| 22:12.56 | Alpha_vst | :P |
| 22:13.20 | Mokse | it was more of a "mineaswell submit this because the deadlines coming up and i don't have time to make a new image" |
| 22:13.23 | Mokse | why not? :P |
| 22:14.36 | Alpha_vst | my map needs everything |
| 22:14.41 | Alpha_vst | lol |
| 22:14.53 | Alpha_vst | http://i45.tinypic.com/axns3l.jpg recent pic of my game |
| 22:17.28 | Mokse | rofl that's probably my favorite texture ever |
| 22:19.40 | Mokse | inspiring actually |
| 22:20.51 | ProzaicMuze | is it possible to create a custom site operation? |
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| 22:21.27 | ProzaicMuze | since I can't get SOpHigherBy to do anything but 5 |
| 22:21.28 | Mokse | copy an existing one and then change the data? |
| 22:21.37 | Mokse | ahah |
| 22:21.40 | Mokse | i have a solution for you |
| 22:21.40 | ProzaicMuze | Well, that's the thing, I don't even know where the list is in the data editor |
| 22:21.48 | Mokse | it's under actors |
| 22:21.52 | ProzaicMuze | seriously? |
| 22:21.53 | Mokse | just search for it |
| 22:21.54 | Mokse | yeah |
| 22:21.59 | Mokse | i struggled with it for like 3 days |
| 22:22.04 | ProzaicMuze | oooooh, it's the grey stuff |
| 22:22.05 | ProzaicMuze | lmao |
| 22:22.07 | Mokse | and just finally found out this morning and was completely ecstatic |
| 22:22.08 | ProzaicMuze | I always skipped that, no wonder |
| 22:22.20 | Mokse | yeah, just copy, and then modify the Z value |
| 22:22.20 | ProzaicMuze | then that solves meh problem :) |
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| 22:22.43 | Mokse | glad to help :) |
| 22:22.58 | Alpha_vst | lol |
| 22:23.28 | Mokse | i used to hate the data editor, but the more i come to understand it the more i like it |
| 22:23.39 | Mokse | although i still think it's very user-unfriendly |
| 22:24.01 | ProzaicMuze | definitely |
| 22:24.08 | ProzaicMuze | It's powerful, but they don't have tooltips for enough of the fields |
| 22:24.12 | ProzaicMuze | and when they do, they're vauge |
| 22:24.14 | ProzaicMuze | vague* |
| 22:24.20 | ProzaicMuze | if the tooltips had better explanations it'd be awesome |
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| 22:25.52 | Nooblet | My building health rapidly goes down till it dies anyone know how to fix it? |
| 22:26.03 | Mokse | behavior? |
| 22:26.07 | Nooblet | Nah |
| 22:26.13 | Nooblet | I havent done anything with data yet |
| 22:26.21 | Mokse | zerg building? |
| 22:26.25 | Nooblet | just triggers that has nothing to do with it |
| 22:26.28 | Nooblet | Yes zerg building |
| 22:26.52 | Nooblet | Roach warren, Spawning pool, Greater spire, Ultralisk cavern, and 2 others |
| 22:27.00 | Nooblet | Evolution and Hydralisk |
| 22:27.17 | Nooblet | Then just decide to die off when i start |
| 22:27.31 | Nooblet | I can send the map if i need to |
| 22:27.42 | ProzaicMuze | it's the behaviors |
| 22:27.46 | ProzaicMuze | you gotta change it in the data editor |
| 22:28.06 | Nooblet | Alright let me go look |
| 22:28.10 | ProzaicMuze | they have behaviors that require creep or they bleed to death |
| 22:28.40 | Mokse | i vouch |
| 22:28.47 | Helral | Nooblet: http://forums.sc2mapster.com/development/tutorials/422-data-protoss-powered-buildings-without-pylon-zerg-builds/ |
| 22:28.57 | Zironic | Sometimes I'm amazed when I consider the ginormous amount of data editing blizzard has done to get the base game up. |
| 22:29.23 | ProzaicMuze | and yet they can't make a good B-Net 2.0 |
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| 22:29.42 | Nooblet | OH!! |
| 22:29.46 | Nooblet | Its the creep! |
| 22:29.48 | Nooblet | Thank you! |
| 22:29.50 | ProzaicMuze | np |
| 22:30.00 | ProzaicMuze | stole Mokse's credit muaha! |
| 22:30.10 | Helral | or mine ;p |
| 22:30.10 | Mokse | my phone range god damnit |
| 22:30.15 | Mokse | i was typing the solution |
| 22:30.22 | Mokse | and then prozaic comes to the rescue |
| 22:30.27 | bifuuu | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6o9dXLNuXic hell yeah that was filmed like down the sgtreet from me haha |
| 22:30.29 | ProzaicMuze | I'm just too fast |
| 22:30.36 | Mokse | i'm just too social |
| 22:30.37 | Helral | I linked the tut ;p dunno if he checked it ;p |
| 22:30.38 | Mokse | lol |
| 22:30.39 | Nooblet | Prozanic didnt fix it haha |
| 22:30.45 | ProzaicMuze | . . . |
| 22:30.45 | Nooblet | Helral did haha |
| 22:30.54 | Nooblet | The link did hahaha |
| 22:30.58 | Nooblet | Sorry mate! |
| 22:31.00 | ProzaicMuze | Xp |
| 22:31.02 | Mokse | well it was a behavior, amirite? |
| 22:31.11 | Nooblet | Yeah |
| 22:31.12 | ProzaicMuze | so you ignored both us and went with the longer read? |
| 22:31.13 | Nooblet | The Creed |
| 22:31.15 | Mokse | lol |
| 22:31.15 | Nooblet | Creep |
| 22:31.17 | ProzaicMuze | Ebil. . . just ebil. . . |
| 22:31.30 | Mokse | i was actually looking at the behavior in my data editor |
| 22:31.32 | Mokse | about to cite it |
| 22:31.39 | Mokse | and tell you to change your units in the data editor |
| 22:31.44 | Mokse | because it didn't have anything to do with triggers |
| 22:31.44 | Nooblet | Call down you guys haha everyone is helping so im happy and thankful to hall of you |
| 22:31.54 | ProzaicMuze | psh |
| 22:31.55 | Helral | I recognized the thing he was looking for so I just looked up the tutorial ;) |
| 22:31.58 | ProzaicMuze | it's a matter of pride |
| 22:32.02 | ProzaicMuze | I must reign supreme! |
| 22:32.07 | Mokse | yeah fuck helping people, i must help the most! |
| 22:32.15 | Mokse | >.> |
| 22:33.58 | ProzaicMuze | FYI Mokse, your SOp help is goin' in a tutorial, so you helped X amount of people with that |
| 22:34.05 | ProzaicMuze | so you can relax and let me catch up ;) |
| 22:34.40 | Mokse | lol |
| 22:34.44 | ekcolnovkol | i asked jesus for help with my map |
| 22:34.49 | ProzaicMuze | . . . |
| 22:34.49 | ekcolnovkol | o.o |
| 22:34.54 | ProzaicMuze | I bet he took a dump on it |
| 22:35.00 | ProzaicMuze | so you're trying to fix your ego by not showing us |
| 22:35.00 | ekcolnovkol | he did |
| 22:35.05 | ekcolnovkol | that's why it's so well fertilized |
| 22:35.05 | ProzaicMuze | and pretending you're fixing it |
| 22:35.06 | ekcolnovkol | <3 |
| 22:35.15 | ProzaicMuze | . . . |
| 22:35.18 | Mokse | lol |
| 22:35.27 | ProzaicMuze | well that backfired |
| 22:35.29 | ekcolnovkol | xD |
| 22:35.43 | Mokse | he's too quick for you |
| 22:35.51 | ProzaicMuze | seriously though, what kind of map ARE you making aside from "awesome" |
| 22:36.09 | Alpha_vst | FUCKIGN AMAZING |
| 22:36.13 | ProzaicMuze | . . . |
| 22:36.14 | ekcolnovkol | alpha knows |
| 22:36.15 | ekcolnovkol | lol |
| 22:36.17 | Alpha_vst | oh wait |
| 22:36.20 | Alpha_vst | thats mine |
| 22:36.34 | Alpha_vst | i know? |
| 22:36.39 | ekcolnovkol | nods |
| 22:36.41 | Alpha_vst | refresh my memory |
| 22:36.50 | ekcolnovkol | *refresh* |
| 22:37.07 | Alpha_vst | um |
| 22:38.29 | ekcolnovkol | some of the mal'sara trees are SO ugly |
| 22:38.30 | ekcolnovkol | god |
| 22:38.45 | Alpha_vst | lol |
| 22:38.50 | Alpha_vst | a lot of shit is ugly :P |
| 22:38.54 | Alpha_vst | like your face |
| 22:39.39 | Mokse | low blow |
| 22:39.40 | ekcolnovkol | :( why so mean |
| 22:39.53 | Mokse | mar sara is a wasteland |
| 22:39.57 | ekcolnovkol | it is |
| 22:39.57 | ekcolnovkol | but |
| 22:40.17 | ekcolnovkol | there's this kind of tree that's a long stump connected to a kind of flowering shape |
| 22:40.22 | ekcolnovkol | it's just really bad |
| 22:40.39 | Mokse | even on high quality? |
| 22:41.23 | Mokse | i find low quality makes some doodads/effects look terrible, and high quality makes some doodads/effects look even worse |
| 22:41.37 | ekcolnovkol | it's just |
| 22:41.40 | ekcolnovkol | the shape is a turn-off |
| 22:41.42 | ekcolnovkol | :/ |
| 22:42.21 | Mokse | i see, so you want to be sexually aroused when you're playing starcraft, and this is like your grandma walking in on you |
| 22:42.30 | ekcolnovkol | exactly |
| 22:42.34 | ekcolnovkol | see, Mokse gets it |
| 22:43.12 | Mokse | just had to put myself in your shoes |
| 22:43.16 | Mokse | called empathy |
| 22:45.23 | Alpha_vst | lol |
| 22:45.36 | ProzaicMuze | Called twisted |
| 22:50.18 | Mokse | can you change the color of the actors or do you have to change the color of the associated model |
| 22:50.52 | ProzaicMuze | you color tint them with events in the actor |
| 22:51.16 | ProzaicMuze | Actor Creation > Set Tint Color |
| 22:52.06 | Mokse | i'm talking data editor right now x( |
| 22:52.15 | ProzaicMuze | that is data editor |
| 22:52.19 | ProzaicMuze | Got to the actor |
| 22:52.21 | ProzaicMuze | go to Events + |
| 22:52.26 | ProzaicMuze | add event |
| 22:52.36 | ProzaicMuze | Set Msg Type: Actor Creation |
| 22:53.02 | ProzaicMuze | change it's action to Set Tint Color |
| 22:53.08 | ProzaicMuze | then choose your color, blending and HDR |
| 22:53.39 | Mokse | ohhhh |
| 22:53.57 | Mokse | i see, i thought you were talking about an event in the trigger editor, my bad |
| 22:54.12 | ProzaicMuze | nope |
| 22:54.16 | ProzaicMuze | I don't do triggers at all yet |
| 22:54.23 | Mokse | lol me either |
| 22:54.28 | Mokse | pure data editor so far |
| 22:55.09 | Mokse | while i was searching i found a field that changes the color of the life bar that shows up above the unit when you click on it |
| 22:55.27 | Mokse | not that that will ever be useful |
| 22:55.57 | Nooblet | I need help making it so if you capture a Xel'Naga tower a trigger happens and sets a visibility thing and you get it while holding the xel'naga. Can anyone help me? |
| 22:55.57 | ProzaicMuze | I think you can change what it measures |
| 22:56.33 | Alpha_vst | lol Nooblet? |
| 22:56.37 | Mokse | i don't know what you're asking nooblet |
| 22:56.49 | Alpha_vst | that sounds like a naga tower |
| 22:56.50 | Mokse | it sounds like you're describing the default ability |
| 22:56.55 | Alpha_vst | yeah |
| 22:57.06 | Nooblet | No |
| 22:57.18 | Nooblet | Im descibing the ability enhanced majorly |
| 22:57.28 | Nooblet | Because it only allows to go so far in the Data |
| 22:57.35 | Nooblet | And i need it alot wider |
| 22:57.44 | Mokse | ah, so you want a wider field of view |
| 22:57.48 | Nooblet | Yes. |
| 22:57.59 | Mokse | you have to change the ability i would assume...let me look |
| 22:58.03 | Nooblet | I have everything but its not working can i send you the map and have you take a look? |
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| 22:58.11 | Nooblet | The trigger should work |
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| 22:58.19 | Nooblet | Maybe a minor mistake that i cant see |
| 22:58.20 | heysparky | howdy folks |
| 22:58.28 | Nooblet | Heya |
| 22:58.29 | Jcup | Hey hey hey people |
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| 22:58.36 | ekcolnovkol | yo Yo YO |
| 22:59.05 | Mokse | well i know how to change it in the data editor |
| 22:59.11 | Mokse | i would not how to do it with triggers at all |
| 22:59.22 | ProzaicMuze | hey Jcup |
| 22:59.24 | Mokse | in the data editor the ability is called tower capture |
| 22:59.27 | Nooblet | Anyone here pro with triggers to help with it? |
| 22:59.40 | RedWraith | No one is pro with triggers, Nooblet. |
| 22:59.45 | Nooblet | Haa |
| 22:59.45 | Jcup | hei ProzaicMuze thx again for all the help :D i got it all working lol |
| 22:59.56 | ProzaicMuze | good deal :D |
| 23:00.00 | Nooblet | RedWraith im sure there is someone :P |
| 23:00.02 | RedWraith | Now, what's wrong with your map? |
| 23:00.11 | Nooblet | me? |
| 23:00.18 | RedWraith | If it's in triggers, I can do it. |
| 23:00.20 | RedWraith | Well, except AI. |
| 23:00.25 | RedWraith | Also banks... |
| 23:00.30 | Nooblet | none of those |
| 23:00.35 | Nooblet | can i send you the map so you can look |
| 23:00.40 | Nooblet | its easier to explain that way |
| 23:00.55 | Alpha_vst | lol |
| 23:01.05 | Nooblet | Cause i suck at explaining |
| 23:01.27 | Alpha_vst | why do u need moer than 30 range? |
| 23:01.42 | Nooblet | Its a maxed map and i just do haha |
| 23:01.46 | RedWraith | just use Unit Uses Ability |
| 23:01.48 | RedWraith | and so forth |
| 23:01.55 | Nooblet | Wha? |
| 23:01.57 | Alpha_vst | lol |
| 23:01.59 | Mokse | actually |
| 23:02.04 | Alpha_vst | hi heysparky |
| 23:02.09 | RedWraith | Think. Then you'll be able to solve this problem. |
| 23:02.17 | Nooblet | ... |
| 23:02.24 | Nooblet | Wow thanks for the fucking help |
| 23:02.25 | Mokse | @nooblet i just found out that all you need to do is change the sight radius in the data editor |
| 23:02.26 | RedWraith | Trigger skill is roughly proportional to intelligence and programming knowledge. :P |
| 23:02.32 | Mokse | which is super easy |
| 23:02.37 | RedWraith | You'll find that I'm a well-hated person. :P |
| 23:02.45 | ekcolnovkol | also directly proportional to BANG BANG BANG |
| 23:02.46 | Alpha_vst | awwww |
| 23:02.47 | Nooblet | Mokse i have already said the max is 30 and it needs to be like 500 |
| 23:02.51 | Mokse | oh |
| 23:02.56 | ekcolnovkol | blows the smoke away |
| 23:02.57 | Mokse | missed that X( |
| 23:03.03 | Alpha_vst | ignorance i mean RedWraith your much loved in a bad way |
| 23:03.05 | RedWraith | Nooblet, just reveal the whole goddamn map at that point. :P |
| 23:03.15 | Alpha_vst | lol |
| 23:03.18 | Nooblet | No... |
| 23:03.18 | Alpha_vst | yeah |
| 23:03.23 | Nooblet | Then you can see there bases.. |
| 23:03.27 | Alpha_vst | lol |
| 23:03.28 | RedWraith | Is there even a reveal in the triggers? |
| 23:03.33 | Alpha_vst | 500 would be the same thing |
| 23:03.34 | Alpha_vst | lol |
| 23:03.36 | Nooblet | Visibility |
| 23:03.41 | RedWraith | Okay. |
| 23:03.47 | RedWraith | So, do you know how to do that part? |
| 23:03.55 | Nooblet | Create Visibility Marker thing |
| 23:03.57 | RedWraith | Is it just the turning off/on that you have trouble with? |
| 23:04.00 | Mokse | largest map radius is...what...128? |
| 23:04.13 | Alpha_vst | 256... |
| 23:04.19 | Mokse | radius is half diameter |
| 23:04.22 | Nooblet | I have everything where is should be its just not working and i cant figure out why |
| 23:04.24 | Mokse | geometry own...bitch! |
| 23:04.37 | RedWraith | Well, then. |
| 23:04.39 | RedWraith | Gimme the map. |
| 23:05.19 | Alpha_vst | wow good for you |
| 23:05.22 | Mokse | lol |
| 23:05.26 | Mokse | sorry |
| 23:06.24 | Nooblet | sent |
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| 23:11.06 | Triceron | picture update! |
| 23:13.04 | Sixen | orly |
| 23:13.08 | Triceron | http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v293/Triceron/Harbinger_07b.jpg |
| 23:13.57 | heysparky | he still has a chitinous g-string Triceron |
| 23:14.02 | heysparky | wtf |
| 23:14.09 | Triceron | yeah, I'm changing that after |
| 23:14.17 | Triceron | I need to get all the pieces together first |
| 23:14.32 | ProzaicMuze | wtf is that? |
| 23:14.35 | ProzaicMuze | You makin' a custom model? |
| 23:14.44 | Triceron | yah |
| 23:15.01 | heysparky | looks good... so no texture feedback then? looks beefier, feet look good |
| 23:15.03 | Mokse | kind of like a male kerrigan? or just something badass? |
| 23:15.23 | Triceron | yeah, like a male kerrigan. One of her personal agents |
| 23:15.25 | heysparky | the hip spikes would be hard to live with |
| 23:15.35 | ProzaicMuze | you should give him some armor over the chest and thighs |
| 23:15.36 | heysparky | logistically |
| 23:15.37 | Triceron | Kerrigan has those hip spikes too |
| 23:15.43 | heysparky | does she really |
| 23:15.56 | Alpha_vst | g-string hahaha |
| 23:16.14 | Triceron | http://www.juegosdestrategia.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/wallpaper-zeratul-vs-kerrigan.jpg |
| 23:16.25 | ProzaicMuze | like those purple area on the side of his chest and side of his legs, filling those in would make it look less. . . repetitive? |
| 23:16.27 | Triceron | yes yes, I know G string :P I'll make it more like a codpiece |
| 23:16.31 | ProzaicMuze | erm, not sure how to describe it |
| 23:16.55 | Triceron | I might add some spikes around the thigh area maybe |
| 23:16.56 | ProzaicMuze | less skeletal, that's it |
| 23:17.10 | Triceron | this is a basic version, I'm planning on having a spiky-armored version as well for battle |
| 23:17.18 | ProzaicMuze | well then nvm lol |
| 23:17.23 | ProzaicMuze | you've got it covered :D |
| 23:17.27 | Alpha_vst | lol |
| 23:17.38 | Alpha_vst | hes on top of shits |
| 23:17.39 | Triceron | then I'm gonna do a huge crazy monster |
| 23:17.46 | Triceron | that this dude either rides on or becomes a part of |
| 23:18.00 | heysparky | whaddya, know, kerrigan has hip spikes, hope she never wants to put her arms down |
| 23:18.11 | ProzaicMuze | or has sex with anyone aka raynor |
| 23:18.17 | Triceron | yeah I'm following closely to the source |
| 23:18.22 | ekcolnovkol | triceron |
| 23:18.29 | ekcolnovkol | you did that in 3dstudiomax? |
| 23:18.32 | ekcolnovkol | o.o |
| 23:18.34 | Triceron | no |
| 23:18.36 | heysparky | well, her spikes seem more plate like and less retractable |
| 23:18.41 | Triceron | I don't model in max |
| 23:18.47 | ekcolnovkol | is that |
| 23:18.48 | Triceron | Maya |
| 23:18.51 | ProzaicMuze | was gonna say |
| 23:18.55 | ekcolnovkol | hm |
| 23:18.56 | ProzaicMuze | if not max then maya lol |
| 23:19.01 | heysparky | like horned toad scales, instead of cactus spines |
| 23:19.06 | Triceron | hmm, I'll change the hip spikes a bit then |
| 23:19.08 | Triceron | I just aded those |
| 23:19.17 | ekcolnovkol | looks good o.o |
| 23:19.22 | Triceron | I just wanted to break the silhouette of the hips |
| 23:19.24 | heysparky | they need a little integration, looks good |
| 23:19.28 | ekcolnovkol | you major in cg? |
| 23:19.34 | Triceron | good catch tho :) |
| 23:19.59 | Triceron | yeah, I'm a character artist |
| 23:20.04 | ekcolnovkol | cool :o |
| 23:20.09 | ekcolnovkol | got a portfolio? |
| 23:20.10 | Triceron | between jobs atm, so got time to burn |
| 23:20.23 | ekcolnovkol | link your portfolio :O |
| 23:20.37 | Triceron | not an up to date one really. Kinda lost all my professional work for the past few years after got laid off :( |
| 23:20.53 | heysparky | NDAed? |
| 23:21.05 | heysparky | or can't access the machines? |
| 23:21.47 | Triceron | can't access machines |
| 23:22.11 | Triceron | grouped us up in a meeting |
| 23:22.24 | Triceron | surprise! you're all cut |
| 23:22.38 | Triceron | took out the entire team, even guys who've been in the company for 10+ yrs |
| 23:23.09 | Mokse | sounds like activision |
| 23:23.14 | heysparky | or microsoft |
| 23:23.16 | Triceron | it was |
| 23:23.30 | Triceron | Activision Blizzard, the day after they announced their 2009 fiscal earnings |
| 23:23.53 | Mokse | yeah they cut all their projects, didn't they? all the ones that weren't guitar hero or blizzard based |
| 23:23.54 | Triceron | "Look, we made billions of dollars. And we're gonna keep it that way by downsizing" |
| 23:23.57 | heysparky | with MS it was... 'oh yeah, and you have 4 more months of crunch to finish the game you're on.' A mixed blessing to be sure. |
| 23:24.35 | Triceron | tbh we all saw it coming, but we expected a project change or something |
| 23:24.42 | Triceron | not everyone getting cut |
| 23:25.32 | Triceron | when the activision merger happened, the company already cut 50% of the staff. 2009 fiscal report, cut 50% again. It's like a skeleton crew there now. |
| 23:25.35 | ProzaicMuze | 4294967295 |
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| 23:26.01 | ProzaicMuze | That is the default maximum number of times a damage effect can hit something |
| 23:26.02 | ProzaicMuze | lmao |
| 23:26.15 | Alpha_vst | yes |
| 23:26.17 | ProzaicMuze | 4.3 billion times! |
| 23:26.21 | Triceron | there's a cap? |
| 23:26.24 | Alpha_vst | yes |
| 23:26.46 | rrowland | What if a unit has 4.4 billion hp and your effect does 1dmg a tick |
| 23:26.47 | Alpha_vst | but its impossible to hit that |
| 23:26.48 | rrowland | :( |
| 23:26.51 | rrowland | STUPID LIMITATIONS |
| 23:26.53 | rrowland | GRRRR |
| 23:27.19 | Mokse | well there goes my project |
| 23:27.21 | Mokse | god damnit |
| 23:27.22 | Triceron | hey so how much do you guys know about mods and how bnet handles em |
| 23:27.54 | Alpha_vst | http://i45.tinypic.com/axns3l.jpg <- should i make the "battle Point" bigger? |
| 23:27.55 | Triceron | I'm still really curious how mods are transferred over bnet. Like source files for custom assets that aren't directly imported into maps. |
| 23:27.57 | ProzaicMuze | lol inorite? Why can't I hit something 4.3billion and one times!?!? |
| 23:28.18 | Alpha_vst | Triceron i know a little about it |
| 23:28.21 | ProzaicMuze | yes and a little more defined. Like a black border |
| 23:28.37 | ProzaicMuze | since you're using what looks like a reddish one, right? |
| 23:29.11 | Alpha_vst | yeah its the way im doing the text |
| 23:29.16 | Furyhunter | now that's a cool idea Alpha |
| 23:30.09 | Alpha_vst | i need to do all the numbers also :P |
| 23:30.18 | Alpha_vst | and then code a trigger to convert it wee |
| 23:30.21 | Mokse | when i look at that picture i think of all the flash games i used to play in junior high |
| 23:31.14 | Alpha_vst | I want people to not think of it as a sc game lol |
| 23:31.28 | Mokse | get rid of the ui |
| 23:31.29 | Mokse | lol |
| 23:31.59 | Mokse | would make it look less like SC |
| 23:32.54 | Alpha_vst | i plan to its harder than it looks |
| 23:32.58 | Sixen | Alpha, that looks so fucking amazing |
| 23:33.00 | Sixen | excuse my french |
| 23:33.11 | Triceron | so how are mods gonna be passed over bnet? |
| 23:33.16 | Triceron | is it gonna be part of map d/ls? |
| 23:33.21 | Alpha_vst | it is |
| 23:33.23 | TheBaron87 | oh wow, nice alpha |
| 23:33.25 | Triceron | cuz the limit is like... 10mb |
| 23:33.28 | Sixen | Triceron, not exactly sure. |
| 23:33.36 | Sixen | They'll be passed over bnet |
| 23:33.40 | Alpha_vst | Triceron theyare downloaded if they have not been |
| 23:33.41 | Sixen | I believe you can publish a Mod as a separate file though |
| 23:33.46 | Alpha_vst | yes |
| 23:33.49 | Sixen | Or at least, that's the plan |
| 23:33.52 | Alpha_vst | the lsat day of beta i was doing it |
| 23:34.04 | rrowland | I liked your original direction more tbh |
| 23:34.05 | Triceron | but that's all for the 20mb limit, correct? |
| 23:34.10 | rrowland | With flat walls |
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| 23:34.18 | rrowland | And flat units would be cool :P |
| 23:34.26 | rrowland | To really look like they're drawn |
| 23:34.31 | Alpha_vst | i dont want to do falt units |
| 23:34.41 | Alpha_vst | so i went with unflat |
| 23:35.00 | Alpha_vst | i still have to adjust some textures though |
| 23:35.41 | ctccromer | units that look like their drawn eh? |
| 23:35.47 | ctccromer | like the okami art style or what? |
| 23:35.54 | ctccromer | cuz i REALLY love the way that looks |
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| 23:36.54 | Alpha_vst | way what looks |
| 23:37.03 | Mokse | i'm pretty sure if you did that too you could make really sweet blood splatters |
| 23:37.33 | ctccromer | Alpha_vst: the way art styles look when they all look hand-drawn or hand-painted like in okami |
| 23:37.49 | Alpha_vst | the blood already pops out a lot |
| 23:38.06 | ekcolnovkol | don't custom models take up heaps of space |
| 23:38.07 | ctccromer | does anyone know how to make DefaultCamera start zoomed IN all the way rather than OUT? Someone said i'd have to make a new camera but i really dont want to do that |
| 23:38.19 | ctccromer | no idea ekcolnovko |
| 23:38.25 | Alpha_vst | yeah |
| 23:38.32 | Alpha_vst | go into the data editor |
| 23:38.35 | Alpha_vst | and change the camera |
| 23:38.49 | Alpha_vst | the default one |
| 23:39.56 | ctccromer | change what line in the data though? |
| 23:40.23 | Alpha_vst | the zoom levels maybe if you want to change zoom |
| 23:40.30 | Alpha_vst | makes sense |
| 23:40.54 | Alpha_vst | but idono you could look at changing the pan to see if it affects the zoom |
| 23:41.09 | ctccromer | i thought panning was moving |
| 23:41.18 | ctccromer | like if you right click and move the mouse in the edtor |
| 23:41.50 | Triceron | depends ekco |
| 23:42.02 | Triceron | if the model has animation, it could |
| 23:42.14 | Triceron | if it doesn't, the files are usually like 100kb or under |
| 23:42.27 | Alpha_vst | yeah static models are small as shit |
| 23:42.31 | Triceron | texture files are usually what end up bloating file size |
| 23:42.32 | Alpha_vst | its teh textures |
| 23:42.48 | Alpha_vst | grrrr |
| 23:42.53 | Triceron | I have a fully animated character with 4 textures, and it's about 1mb |
| 23:43.03 | ctccromer | hm.. i searched "zoom" on the data (right) side of the camera in data editor and there's 2 things: Zoom Levels+ and Zoom Default. I think it's Zoom Default, but then how do i see the max zoomed out and max zoomed in? Zoom levels confuses me |
| 23:43.16 | Alpha_vst | i already told you |
| 23:43.45 | Alpha_vst | zoom levels |
| 23:44.06 | ctccromer | that shows a bunch of DisabledlDisabledlDisabeled etc |
| 23:44.10 | ctccromer | makes no sense to me |
| 23:44.12 | ekcolnovkol | triceron |
| 23:44.24 | ekcolnovkol | don't you compress the model significantly when you convert to m3 |
| 23:44.39 | Triceron | yes, compressed in a map it's ~1mb |
| 23:44.43 | ekcolnovkol | oh |
| 23:44.49 | Triceron | 4 textures + model with animations + sounds |
| 23:44.54 | ekcolnovkol | heh |
| 23:44.54 | Triceron | sounds are tiny tiny tho |
| 23:44.57 | Alpha_vst | ctccromer: open up the zoom level select one of the things and below that |
| 23:45.00 | Alpha_vst | is the info |
| 23:45.03 | ekcolnovkol | when you finish your model, what do you plan on doing with it |
| 23:45.06 | Alpha_vst | that you edit |
| 23:45.10 | Triceron | deleting it |
| 23:45.13 | ekcolnovkol | <.< |
| 23:45.16 | Triceron | lol |
| 23:45.20 | Repo | New map: http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/toxic-oasis/. Toxic Oasis. Airleagan (Manager/Author). Experimental. Approved by sixen. |
| 23:45.23 | Triceron | I don't know yet, I'm just practicing |
| 23:45.27 | Repo | New map: http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/toxic-oasis/. Toxic Oasis. Airleagan (Manager/Author). Approved by sixen. |
| 23:45.31 | Repo | New map: http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/hero-creator-v1/. Hero Creator V1. yukaboy (Manager/Author). Approved by sixen. |
| 23:45.34 | Triceron | I wanna do an 'unofficial expansion' |
| 23:45.39 | ekcolnovkol | if it looks good enough i might ask you to let my put it in sotis P: |
| 23:45.45 | ekcolnovkol | lol |
| 23:45.46 | Sixen | To SC@? |
| 23:45.48 | Triceron | but i sorta wanna get together a package of units |
| 23:45.52 | Triceron | and let anyone use |
| 23:45.58 | Sixen | That'd be initeresitng |
| 23:46.08 | Triceron | so people who wanna make more sc2 campaigns with custom units |
| 23:46.29 | Triceron | there'd be more of a selection without waiting for expansions |
| 23:46.32 | ekcolnovkol | well |
| 23:46.51 | Triceron | my only concern is how mod packs will be distributed |
| 23:46.53 | ekcolnovkol | i'll look forward to it ;D |
| 23:46.55 | ekcolnovkol | ah |
| 23:46.58 | Triceron | cuz I don't really have any interest in mapping |
| 23:47.04 | ekcolnovkol | i think they might allow microtransactions |
| 23:47.11 | ekcolnovkol | well |
| 23:47.22 | ekcolnovkol | if you have an interest in just developing identities for individual units |
| 23:47.25 | Triceron | be back in ~20 |
| 23:47.35 | ekcolnovkol | it's just what i need |
| 23:47.36 | Triceron | but yeah I'm hoping to do full unit packages |
| 23:47.37 | ekcolnovkol | ;) |
| 23:47.39 | ekcolnovkol | exactly |
| 23:47.48 | Triceron | models, icons, portraits, sounds |
| 23:47.52 | ekcolnovkol | yeah |
| 23:47.54 | Alpha_vst | lol |
| 23:48.00 | ekcolnovkol | i need alot of those actually |
| 23:48.02 | ekcolnovkol | >> |
| 23:48.06 | Triceron | i already have a sound guy, and he's good |
| 23:48.15 | Triceron | but he's never around when you need him :P |
| 23:48.18 | ekcolnovkol | :/ |
| 23:48.19 | Alpha_vst | lol |
| 23:48.22 | Alpha_vst | always like that |
| 23:48.34 | ekcolnovkol | i'll poke you again when i publish ;) |
| 23:48.47 | Triceron | I wanna release a demo map for my units, but I need encryption first |
| 23:49.00 | ekcolnovkol | so wait for release date |
| 23:49.01 | Triceron | anways bbl |
| 23:50.13 | Alpha_vst | lol |
| 23:50.25 | Alpha_vst | cant really do encryption :( |
| 23:52.13 | ctccromer | Alpha_VST ah okay i got it to work. Basically i took the 5 lines (0-4) and switched them from being 0-4 and 34-18 to 0-4 and 18-34. Although now to zoom out you roll the middle button forward, but its no big deal. thanks |
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