| 00:00.53 | zedrone | not sur to understand =) let me read that again |
| 00:00.53 | zedrone | =) |
| 00:00.58 | Jcup | the supply depot's burrowed and unborrowed buildings are set to collide with burrowed what is the problem |
| 00:01.08 | Jcup | ? |
| 00:01.15 | zedrone | it's not the case |
| 00:01.33 | zedrone | lowered supply dont collide with burrow unit |
| 00:01.50 | Jcup | oh cuz its footprint is gone isnt it x.x |
| 00:01.53 | RedWraith | brb harassing workers using cloak |
| 00:01.58 | zedrone | it's not a collide think, its footprint issue |
| 00:02.02 | RedWraith | pew pew pew |
| 00:02.17 | zedrone | yes Jcup |
| 00:02.29 | depthsofchaos | give it a footprint?O.o |
| 00:02.32 | Jcup | so why dont u give the burrowed supply depot a footprint and make it only collide with burrowed movers |
| 00:02.42 | Jcup | ? |
| 00:02.43 | RedWraith | pew pew pew |
| 00:02.49 | zedrone | how do i create that footprint ^^ |
| 00:02.50 | RedWraith | *ka-explode* |
| 00:02.52 | zedrone | i try |
| 00:02.52 | zedrone | =) |
| 00:02.56 | RedWraith | pew pew pew |
| 00:03.00 | depthsofchaos | copy the supply depots one.. |
| 00:03.00 | RedWraith | *ka-explode* |
| 00:03.06 | RedWraith | Oh no, an observer! Run awaaaay |
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| 00:03.11 | casperb | supply depot's dont work that way :P |
| 00:03.21 | casperb | shesh no one is listening to him lol |
| 00:03.24 | ProzaicMuze | lowered supply depots already have a footprint 2x2 (Underground) |
| 00:03.26 | zedrone | footprint are generic |
| 00:03.45 | zedrone | 2*2 , 2*2 (contour), 2*2 (underground) |
| 00:04.04 | Jcup | give it the contour one and just have it collide with burrowed? |
| 00:04.06 | Jcup | Idk ha |
| 00:04.12 | zedrone | how ? |
| 00:04.13 | zedrone | =) |
| 00:04.14 | Jcup | Cuz if the underground one isnt working |
| 00:04.18 | Jcup | U can assign footprints |
| 00:04.25 | zedrone | i try that, but footprint are ... strange |
| 00:04.28 | Jcup | search footprint inside the supply depot |
| 00:06.01 | zedrone | i gave a "contour footprint" to my burrowed supply, and flaged it to collide only with burrowed. doesnt work. unit can walk over it |
| 00:07.04 | Jcup | cant? u said? |
| 00:07.16 | zedrone | hups cant |
| 00:07.27 | zedrone | annot |
| 00:07.32 | zedrone | can not |
| 00:07.37 | zedrone | =) |
| 00:08.49 | Dustin | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQp5l4-sfFA |
| 00:08.54 | Dustin | So addicting |
| 00:09.22 | depthsofchaos | you dont want unots to walk over lowereed depot? |
| 00:09.27 | depthsofchaos | *units |
| 00:09.38 | zedrone | NOO ! |
| 00:09.48 | zedrone | i want them to walk over =) |
| 00:10.12 | zedrone | it's really strange how it work |
| 00:10.13 | zedrone | s |
| 00:10.13 | casperb | Dustin: disturbing :p |
| 00:10.23 | Dustin | hehe |
| 00:10.25 | ProzaicMuze | stupid disney shows. . . |
| 00:10.26 | Dustin | it's catchy! |
| 00:10.38 | Dustin | It's nickelodeon not disney |
| 00:10.45 | ProzaicMuze | same thing |
| 00:10.47 | ProzaicMuze | pure evil |
| 00:10.50 | Dustin | Completely different |
| 00:10.55 | Dustin | Nickelodeon is badass as fuck |
| 00:11.07 | depthsofchaos | well then youre doing something wrong cause with collision it should work |
| 00:11.13 | depthsofchaos | if its only for burrowed |
| 00:11.14 | Dustin | rocko, rugrats, legends of the hidden temple, g.u.t.s. double dare etc |
| 00:11.18 | ProzaicMuze | No, Adult Swim is badass |
| 00:11.24 | ProzaicMuze | Nickelodeon is tame |
| 00:11.32 | ProzaicMuze | benign even |
| 00:11.33 | casperb | avatar ftw :p |
| 00:11.33 | Dustin | How old are you? |
| 00:11.43 | ProzaicMuze | 20 |
| 00:11.49 | Dustin | Ahhh |
| 00:11.55 | Dustin | So you missed all the good 90's |
| 00:11.57 | Dustin | that sucks |
| 00:12.02 | zedrone | huhu |
| 00:12.26 | Jcup | I didnt miss the 90s :o |
| 00:12.35 | Dustin | 90's was the best decade ever! |
| 00:12.40 | Jcup | '91 here :D |
| 00:13.02 | ProzaicMuze | meh |
| 00:13.03 | `3ICE | I was born in '90 |
| 00:13.08 | Dustin | '85 |
| 00:13.12 | Dustin | Fo sho |
| 00:13.38 | casperb | '88, the year of legendary cool people :p |
| 00:13.51 | Dustin | '85 > '88 |
| 00:14.01 | `3ICE | why is everyone asleep in europe at 2 am... |
| 00:14.06 | zedrone | Depthofchaos, it doesnt work ! it try all set up .. nothing seams to work as intended, absolutly un-intuitive |
| 00:14.10 | `3ICE | i hosted a game on war3 and two people joined |
| 00:14.18 | `3ICE | instead of the usual "game is full instantly" |
| 00:14.39 | casperb | `3ICE: most people prefer to sleep before work/lectures etc :p |
| 00:14.44 | `3ICE | lame |
| 00:14.49 | `3ICE | :D |
| 00:14.57 | `3ICE | its summer holiday! |
| 00:15.11 | casperb | exams are still ongoing for some |
| 00:15.15 | `3ICE | now those 2 ppl left... |
| 00:15.19 | `3ICE | i am all alone |
| 00:15.27 | `3ICE | i finished my exams last week |
| 00:15.38 | `3ICE | so did my sister |
| 00:15.41 | `3ICE | and my brother |
| 00:16.12 | Repo | 10yabot: 03vlovsky * r42 YABOT (15 files in 3 directories): (Message trimmed by 2 lines) |
| 00:16.15 | Repo | [1] Restored tests (working with BS_test_chat map) |
| 00:16.16 | Repo | [2] Fixed map loading |
| 00:16.17 | Repo | [3] Extracted initialization from main script |
| 00:16.19 | Repo | [4] Fixed string utilities |
| 00:17.12 | depthsofchaos | if i set collision for a missile will it follow pathing?:o |
| 00:17.33 | `3ICE | hmm probably not |
| 00:17.39 | casperb | not with projectile pathing |
| 00:17.40 | `3ICE | or, hey mybe it will |
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| 00:17.54 | casperb | projectiles have their own pathing map |
| 00:18.12 | casperb | IIRC atleast |
| 00:18.15 | depthsofchaos | so i have to make a unit and issue order? |
| 00:18.35 | Triceron | was it DOTA? |
| 00:19.26 | casperb | Lame, 7 eleven is closed wtf :o |
| 00:20.48 | Nooblet | Well my sonic closes at midnight and outside there is a giant ass sign that says OPEN 24/7!!! |
| 00:21.08 | *** join/#sc2mapster Cromalic (~lol@195.84-49-196.nextgentel.com) |
| 00:21.44 | casperb | Halla Cromalic :p |
| 00:22.27 | Cromalic | yoyo :) |
| 00:22.37 | Cromalic | watching the HoN finals atm |
| 00:22.41 | Cromalic | awesome games |
| 00:23.16 | zedrone | http://forums.sc2mapster.com/development/map-development/3909-burrow-movemement-unded-structure-if-not-lowered/ |
| 00:23.30 | zedrone | i make a post to write it down |
| 00:23.31 | zedrone | =) |
| 00:24.41 | xgalaxy | link to hom stuff? |
| 00:24.44 | xgalaxy | er |
| 00:24.45 | xgalaxy | hon |
| 00:24.58 | Cromalic | ye sec |
| 00:25.02 | Cromalic | they're about to play game 3 |
| 00:25.04 | *** join/#sc2mapster ScytheBlade1 (~Death@about/pxe/ScytheBlade1) |
| 00:25.05 | Cromalic | it's best of 3 |
| 00:25.09 | Cromalic | 1-1 so far :) |
| 00:25.21 | Cromalic | http://www.justin.tv/dreamarena |
| 00:25.33 | Cromalic | about SC2 atm |
| 00:25.52 | Cromalic | it's swedish, but the commentators are american/australian |
| 00:25.55 | Cromalic | they're pretty good as well |
| 00:27.40 | Cromalic | fanatic MSI vs KDE |
| 00:28.35 | ProzaicMuze | zed, if I figure it out I'll post it in your thread so everyone can see lol |
| 00:28.48 | zedrone | really it's strange |
| 00:28.57 | zedrone | doesnt work as i first imagine |
| 00:28.57 | zedrone | =) |
| 00:29.56 | Cromalic | wooot |
| 00:29.59 | Cromalic | it's starting now |
| 00:30.02 | Cromalic | http://www.justin.tv/dreamarena |
| 00:30.03 | Cromalic | :D |
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| 00:34.13 | Jcup | guys where does the zerg explicit rotation come into play I dont see it implemented I cant get the facing of the building to change |
| 00:36.37 | zedrone_ | ? |
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| 00:37.37 | Hjalte | Cromalic: Is that dota they are setting up or? |
| 00:39.32 | Jcup | Does anyone know how if building can even be rotated using set facing? |
| 00:41.23 | depthsofchaos | if you give it turnable flag i guess |
| 00:47.01 | ProzaicMuze | zed, how important is the structure facing? (As in the supply depots all facing the same way) |
| 00:47.34 | zedrone_ | i use only 2 structure |
| 00:47.40 | zedrone_ | so .. doesnt matter |
| 00:48.19 | zedrone_ | i dont try to edit that |
| 00:48.41 | ProzaicMuze | http://www.wikiupload.com/RJOZpubF |
| 00:48.43 | ProzaicMuze | Take a look at that map |
| 00:49.04 | ProzaicMuze | I got it doing what you want |
| 00:49.19 | zedrone_ | cant open link ? |
| 00:49.32 | ProzaicMuze | error? or what? |
| 00:49.56 | zedrone_ | no it was a strange "lag" ^^ |
| 00:49.57 | zedrone_ | s |
| 00:49.59 | zedrone_ | ry |
| 00:50.05 | ProzaicMuze | ah, so it's good then? |
| 00:50.20 | zedrone_ | i watch it now |
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| 00:51.26 | Dusty_ | Im back. Took a long ass nap. |
| 00:51.40 | rrowland | wut |
| 00:52.00 | Dusty_ | What map are you working on now? |
| 00:52.05 | rrowland | sniper wars |
| 00:52.10 | Dusty_ | ohh yeah |
| 00:52.45 | rrowland | Turning all of my spaghetti code into modular libraries |
| 00:52.51 | rrowland | Want to rip my eyeballs out |
| 00:53.07 | Dusty_ | gouge* |
| 00:53.10 | Dusty_ | lol |
| 00:53.55 | Dusty_ | (shauns dream >.>) |
| 00:54.02 | rrowland | Yeah lol |
| 00:54.13 | zedrone_ | it works fine, need to understand how you did it.. i look at your set up and dont find what"s make it work |
| 00:54.37 | Dusty_ | o.o |
| 00:54.42 | ProzaicMuze | The supply depots are units instead of structures. |
| 00:54.54 | ProzaicMuze | And rather than a footprint, they have a size 2 radius |
| 00:55.17 | ProzaicMuze | So building them would involve "summoning units" rather than building structures. |
| 00:55.37 | zedrone_ | dont need to build them, so it's perfect ^^ |
| 00:55.43 | ProzaicMuze | It should work mostly the same, but it gives you what you want as units actually follow their collisions while structures don't |
| 00:55.46 | ProzaicMuze | Good deal :) |
| 00:56.37 | zedrone_ | i'm sure their is a way with creating a new mover or a special footprint, but this work. no need to scratch my head =) |
| 00:56.58 | ProzaicMuze | lol yeah, I haven't delved into footprints and movers yet, I'm still with the units, so I can do most things yeh need with just units :D |
| 00:58.21 | zedrone_ | does the lower/raised ability of the supply depot still work ? (i try it) |
| 00:58.47 | *** join/#sc2mapster Dustyy (ad37f696@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.55.246.150) |
| 00:58.59 | Dustyy | Wanted to register name >.> there we go |
| 00:59.21 | rrowland | You can connect from something that's not a web client |
| 00:59.24 | rrowland | like mirc |
| 01:00.02 | Dustyy | oh o.o I've always used the web client. never really used irc that much |
| 01:00.30 | casperb | webclient works just fine tho :p |
| 01:00.48 | casperb | heck if i can have my mail in a web interface i can have my irc here aswell :P |
| 01:01.05 | Dustyy | lol |
| 01:01.09 | casperb | there* |
| 01:03.47 | casperb | meh we gotta do something about that empty wiki |
| 01:04.13 | rrowland | bullhockey |
| 01:04.30 | rrowland | No wiki makes people investigate on their own |
| 01:04.42 | casperb | API reference |
| 01:05.12 | rrowland | Break out MPQ editor |
| 01:05.16 | casperb | less playing parrot in IRC :p |
| 01:05.24 | casperb | already am |
| 01:05.31 | rrowland | Just don't answer those people |
| 01:05.49 | casperb | could try that :p |
| 01:06.04 | Dustyy | haha |
| 01:06.19 | rrowland | I'm just bitter because nobody is able to answer any of my questions :P |
| 01:06.57 | Dustyy | That's probably because you're further ahead of a lot of people |
| 01:07.16 | Dustyy | lol -_- |
| 01:07.22 | rrowland | lol I know |
| 01:07.53 | ProzaicMuze | well what questions do you have? |
| 01:07.57 | rrowland | None right now |
| 01:08.00 | ProzaicMuze | If it's data editor related I might be able to help lol |
| 01:08.05 | rrowland | Well |
| 01:08.06 | rrowland | Okay |
| 01:08.13 | rrowland | I have a missile right |
| 01:08.29 | rrowland | I want it to do damage to a unit ONCE |
| 01:08.32 | rrowland | And continue going |
| 01:09.09 | ProzaicMuze | so a missile chain or bounce? |
| 01:09.09 | rrowland | No |
| 01:09.09 | rrowland | Just a normal missile |
| 01:09.09 | rrowland | Like a bullet |
| 01:09.09 | rrowland | That pierces units |
| 01:09.09 | ProzaicMuze | so pass through |
| 01:09.09 | ProzaicMuze | lol yeah |
| 01:09.09 | ProzaicMuze | that |
| 01:09.10 | rrowland | I spent 3 days in data editor |
| 01:09.15 | rrowland | And couldn't get it to happen |
| 01:09.35 | ProzaicMuze | is this going to be a main attack or a spell? |
| 01:09.37 | rrowland | It's basically the last thing I need to completely clean up my sniper wars triggers |
| 01:09.56 | rrowland | Well it's sniper wars, and the whole gimmick is that all of your attacks are projectiles that need to be aimed |
| 01:10.04 | rrowland | So it's the main attack |
| 01:10.14 | rrowland | But it's actually an ability |
| 01:10.16 | ProzaicMuze | Mmk, is a click-activated attack then? |
| 01:10.20 | rrowland | Nope |
| 01:10.23 | rrowland | Has to be cast |
| 01:10.26 | rrowland | Q + click |
| 01:10.38 | rrowland | Like a spell |
| 01:10.41 | ProzaicMuze | That's what I meant, it'll go where you click as opposed to you runit auto-shooting it |
| 01:10.47 | ProzaicMuze | your* |
| 01:10.48 | rrowland | Right |
| 01:10.57 | rrowland | It actually also needs to continue movie |
| 01:11.00 | rrowland | Moving* |
| 01:11.02 | rrowland | Past where I click |
| 01:11.09 | rrowland | For a set distance |
| 01:11.16 | ProzaicMuze | Have you considered a shockwave variant? |
| 01:11.24 | rrowland | Yeah that seems to be the only way to do it |
| 01:11.30 | immor7a1 | jeeez ok i want to know |
| 01:11.35 | rrowland | But I'd have to manually enter all of the periodic offsets |
| 01:11.44 | immor7a1 | is anyone else having like lag issues with working with the Galaxy Editor |
| 01:11.45 | rrowland | And not only would that take forever, it would be stuttery |
| 01:11.50 | ProzaicMuze | Actually, not at all |
| 01:12.02 | ProzaicMuze | here, let me show you a "flamewave" I made for onetwo yesterday |
| 01:12.06 | rrowland | k |
| 01:12.12 | ProzaicMuze | it is essentially exactly what you are asking for, just with AoE blasts as it goes. |
| 01:12.22 | rrowland | Can it hit the same unit twice? |
| 01:12.50 | ProzaicMuze | In it's current implementation yes, but that is easily fixed with behaviors or markers |
| 01:12.57 | rrowland | It is soooooo not |
| 01:12.58 | rrowland | lol |
| 01:13.07 | rrowland | Markers are such a mystery |
| 01:13.13 | rrowland | I've gotten them to work before |
| 01:13.20 | rrowland | But it took a long time |
| 01:13.22 | ProzaicMuze | lol ok, let me put it this way, "I" can easily fix it with behaviors to only hit a target once. |
| 01:13.34 | rrowland | I don't think so |
| 01:13.38 | rrowland | What if you get shot by 2 people |
| 01:13.40 | rrowland | At the same time |
| 01:13.51 | rrowland | You should take damage twice, but a behavior would prevent one of them |
| 01:14.08 | rrowland | It has to be markers |
| 01:14.17 | rrowland | And to set a marker you have to do it from a "parent" effect |
| 01:14.29 | rrowland | Or that's how it seems to me anyway |
| 01:14.44 | ProzaicMuze | lol let's worry about after we look at my ability. If you like the ability's setup, then we can move to fixing that part, which I can do. |
| 01:14.53 | ProzaicMuze | http://www.wikiupload.com/RHSPG5ps |
| 01:16.08 | gwho | whats the size cap for wikiupload? |
| 01:16.13 | gwho | nonpremium |
| 01:17.04 | rrowland | No offense but this is something I can make |
| 01:17.13 | rrowland | The problem I'm having is setting the marker |
| 01:17.36 | ProzaicMuze | None taken, you were just saying it's stuttery. IMO, that flamewave is fairly smooth looking. |
| 01:17.37 | rrowland | I understand using a persistent to create "steps" |
| 01:17.44 | rrowland | Yes it's fine for flames |
| 01:17.46 | rrowland | But I'm using a bullet |
| 01:18.09 | ProzaicMuze | Aye |
| 01:18.10 | rrowland | And it's flying considerably further than that flame |
| 01:18.39 | ProzaicMuze | Which is fine, you don't have to "period offset" the bullet. |
| 01:18.45 | ProzaicMuze | What you would do is actually fire the missile at the target. |
| 01:19.22 | rrowland | And follow it with an invisible damage persistent yeah |
| 01:19.28 | rrowland | But it's still just as many steps |
| 01:19.52 | rrowland | Being a twitchy-skill game it needs to be accurate |
| 01:19.59 | rrowland | If I use anything bigger than say |
| 01:20.02 | rrowland | a 0.2 search area |
| 01:20.08 | rrowland | It will be skewed |
| 01:20.50 | ProzaicMuze | That flamewave uses 25 periods at .2 intervals and I think I changed it to 1rad |
| 01:21.01 | ProzaicMuze | You could easily make it N periods at .1 intervals with .1 radius. |
| 01:21.06 | rrowland | Right and it moves 5 spaces |
| 01:21.10 | ProzaicMuze | Yes it's a lot of steps, but what you are asking for is indead complex lol |
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| 01:21.31 | ProzaicMuze | What is the range that you need? |
| 01:21.31 | rrowland | The basic of my bullets go up to 30 spaces, and there's one that spans the entire map |
| 01:21.57 | rrowland | Plus if I ever decided to change the speed of my bullet |
| 01:22.04 | rrowland | I need to redo every single offset |
| 01:22.11 | rrowland | That's like the least efficient thing I've ever heard |
| 01:22.19 | ProzaicMuze | Actually not at all. |
| 01:22.38 | ProzaicMuze | You just change the period durations. |
| 01:22.48 | Coding_Newb | does anyone know how to correctly get a refund when selling towers using salvage bunkers? I have tried messing with 'cost' and 'refund fraction' (somehow working), but I would like an alternative to do it through triggers so i can use the same "Sell" ability on all towers |
| 01:22.50 | ProzaicMuze | If you look at the (Wave) effect, it's at .03 period durations. |
| 01:22.54 | rrowland | Well wlecome to the fixed real system |
| 01:22.59 | rrowland | Where exact numbers don't exist |
| 01:23.17 | rrowland | And taking off 30% of a number precalculated will result in mismatched movement |
| 01:24.02 | ProzaicMuze | oie. . . so much complaining lol |
| 01:24.11 | ProzaicMuze | Have you even tried it yet to actually prove your concerns? |
| 01:24.14 | rrowland | It's not complaining, they're legitimate concerns |
| 01:24.15 | rrowland | And yes |
| 01:24.22 | rrowland | As I told you I spent 3 days in the data editor |
| 01:25.14 | ProzaicMuze | mmk, then how about we try this instead. I've been makin' abilities for a while and am in the mood. You give me the specs and I'll make an example. If you like it, you can adapt it. Sound good? |
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| 01:26.20 | Azoreo | Heya folks |
| 01:26.24 | ProzaicMuze | howdy |
| 01:27.45 | RedWraith | ~seen tehwildcard |
| 01:27.47 | purl | tehwildcard <~Jer@pool-71-122-122-129.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #sc2mapster, 1d 6h 10m 22s ago, saying: 'You cant place it'. |
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| 01:28.53 | ProzaicMuze | rrowland? |
| 01:30.51 | ProzaicMuze | Xp |
| 01:30.57 | ProzaicMuze | he ranned aweh |
| 01:32.51 | RedWraith | You need something? |
| 01:33.07 | RedWraith | oh, I see. |
| 01:34.29 | ProzaicMuze | Yeah, he asked abotu a bullet piercing missile. I offered advice and he says it's too many steps and glitchy. So I offered to help and now he's quiet :( |
| 01:35.10 | RedWraith | oh god, I just lolled so hard |
| 01:35.19 | RedWraith | so, I tried to delete something that calls itself, right? |
| 01:35.21 | RedWraith | and it told me |
| 01:35.27 | RedWraith | it would disable itself |
| 01:35.28 | RedWraith | as a warning |
| 01:35.38 | ProzaicMuze | lol duh? |
| 01:35.42 | RedWraith | oh wait |
| 01:35.43 | RedWraith | no |
| 01:35.44 | RedWraith | it didn't |
| 01:35.46 | RedWraith | oh good |
| 01:35.48 | RedWraith | that'd be hilarious |
| 01:35.57 | ekcolnovkol | has anyone here ever tried duplicating the infestor neural parasite ability |
| 01:36.05 | ekcolnovkol | lord jesus it has so many ffffffffffffffffffffffing parts |
| 01:36.28 | RedWraith | Calm down, man. Of course it does. :O I bet it does a recursive search call too. |
| 01:36.43 | ekcolnovkol | i'm down the finalizing the actors |
| 01:36.53 | ekcolnovkol | and i can't find out why the mover isn't working |
| 01:37.02 | ekcolnovkol | like you know when the tentacle reaches for the target |
| 01:37.07 | RedWraith | Think about it logically: Everything that has to be done to it is done via abilities. |
| 01:37.15 | ekcolnovkol | instead of reaching it just teleports |
| 01:37.19 | ekcolnovkol | god |
| 01:37.51 | RedWraith | So, it searches for the unit, inches towards it, change target location, change tentacle location, check for target after targetting, change tentacle location, etc. |
| 01:37.52 | immor7a1 | SUCK IT |
| 01:37.55 | immor7a1 | I GOT IT TO WORK |
| 01:37.57 | immor7a1 | SUCK IT |
| 01:38.04 | RedWraith | ...? |
| 01:38.08 | ekcolnovkol | that's not what it does |
| 01:38.11 | RedWraith | Only I can say that. |
| 01:38.27 | ekcolnovkol | your thinking doesn't consider the design of the engine ;/ |
| 01:38.44 | RedWraith | oh, hey |
| 01:38.46 | RedWraith | that's super simple |
| 01:38.53 | RedWraith | Why is it complicated? |
| 01:38.56 | RedWraith | I don't get it. :P |
| 01:39.06 | ekcolnovkol | it's too simple ;/ |
| 01:39.21 | ekcolnovkol | i'm missing a link somewhere |
| 01:39.22 | ekcolnovkol | just |
| 01:39.22 | ekcolnovkol | one |
| 01:39.23 | ekcolnovkol | link |
| 01:39.24 | ekcolnovkol | god |
| 01:39.34 | RedWraith | Who is immor7a1 and what is he working on? |
| 01:39.52 | RedWraith | He keeps bragging, doesn't say why. |
| 01:39.53 | immor7a1 | lol |
| 01:39.58 | immor7a1 | sorry |
| 01:40.01 | immor7a1 | i have to share my joy |
| 01:40.04 | immor7a1 | in some way |
| 01:40.09 | RedWraith | But not the reason for it? >:[ |
| 01:40.14 | immor7a1 | ok well |
| 01:40.19 | ProzaicMuze | Yeah, he's said YES multiple times today |
| 01:40.25 | ProzaicMuze | I'm starting to think he's just making a sex game |
| 01:40.31 | immor7a1 | LOL |
| 01:40.35 | immor7a1 | im making a tactics game |
| 01:40.39 | rrowland | Went to eat |
| 01:40.51 | RedWraith | And you just figured out how to keep players from walling? Way to copy me, jeez. |
| 01:40.52 | immor7a1 | and i finaly got it so that you can select tiles by using the arrow keys |
| 01:40.52 | RedWraith | ;) |
| 01:41.16 | RedWraith | That...doesn't seem that useful. |
| 01:41.22 | RedWraith | You did it via the data editor, right? |
| 01:41.28 | immor7a1 | no |
| 01:41.31 | immor7a1 | triggers son |
| 01:41.34 | rrowland | We can do that if you want, but I'm generally against people doing other people's "homework" even if it's for me :P |
| 01:41.40 | RedWraith | Because if you're using key detection via triggers, it's going to lag out the ass on battle.net. |
| 01:41.47 | immor7a1 | really? |
| 01:41.50 | RedWraith | Yes. |
| 01:41.54 | immor7a1 | the event does? |
| 01:41.58 | RedWraith | Yup. |
| 01:42.03 | RedWraith | Unless they fixed it. |
| 01:42.05 | rrowland | Did you read the part where it said |
| 01:42.06 | RedWraith | I doubt they did. |
| 01:42.07 | immor7a1 | son of a small saddle back |
| 01:42.08 | immor7a1 | rider |
| 01:42.10 | rrowland | "THIS LAGS ON BNET" |
| 01:42.11 | rrowland | ? |
| 01:42.14 | RedWraith | rofl |
| 01:42.18 | immor7a1 | i skipped that tutorial |
| 01:42.23 | rrowland | It's not a tutorial |
| 01:42.30 | rrowland | It's right in the editor |
| 01:42.33 | rrowland | In the hint text |
| 01:42.46 | casperb | tutorials should die o.o |
| 01:42.51 | immor7a1 | oh |
| 01:42.52 | RedWraith | To be fair, I made Baneling Busters despite this, and you made Reaper Madness despite this. :p |
| 01:42.53 | ProzaicMuze | lol |
| 01:42.56 | rrowland | Tutorials make people stupid |
| 01:42.58 | immor7a1 | i just saw that |
| 01:43.01 | immor7a1 | :< |
| 01:43.07 | casperb | expect a tutorial for everything -.- |
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| 01:43.14 | RedWraith | Though, neither of those will be published on battle.net anytime soon. |
| 01:43.18 | rrowland | Nope |
| 01:43.23 | ProzaicMuze | rrowland, I'm not really doing your work as trying to offer solutions. Plus after I make it I get to use it too lol |
| 01:43.26 | rrowland | Probably never for reaper madness tbh |
| 01:43.29 | immor7a1 | FREAKING DATA EDITOR |
| 01:43.34 | immor7a1 | I WILL GET AROUND YOU!!! |
| 01:43.43 | immor7a1 | maybe not |
| 01:43.46 | RedWraith | Same here, man. I might release it as a mini game if it gets fixed at some point. |
| 01:43.48 | RedWraith | Otherwise, not. |
| 01:43.53 | ProzaicMuze | But I think the lag depends on how you've got the missile setup |
| 01:44.04 | ProzaicMuze | Like how fast is it supposed to reach it's target at 30range? |
| 01:44.07 | rrowland | Well you can do it if you want, it would be cool to have help from someone who isn't myself |
| 01:44.15 | rrowland | Basically everything I described are the specs |
| 01:44.24 | immor7a1 | so wait... |
| 01:44.26 | RedWraith | immor7a1, you just gave me an idea. |
| 01:44.29 | RedWraith | bahahaha |
| 01:44.30 | immor7a1 | using keyboard keys |
| 01:44.35 | immor7a1 | is bad |
| 01:44.36 | rrowland | Well |
| 01:44.39 | immor7a1 | period |
| 01:44.40 | RedWraith | I found a good way to use my anti-walling algorithm. >:] |
| 01:44.43 | rrowland | The way I have it set up now (in triggers) |
| 01:44.44 | RedWraith | Tower Wars. |
| 01:44.47 | RedWraith | Literally. |
| 01:44.47 | rrowland | Is... (let me check) |
| 01:44.47 | RedWraith | ;) |
| 01:44.56 | immor7a1 | what? |
| 01:45.06 | immor7a1 | give me your reason red |
| 01:45.07 | RedWraith | Buildings which move like chess pieces. |
| 01:45.09 | immor7a1 | NOA! |
| 01:45.16 | immor7a1 | oh |
| 01:45.21 | RedWraith | You've got to break through! |
| 01:45.30 | immor7a1 | the other side? |
| 01:45.33 | RedWraith | Yeah. |
| 01:45.37 | immor7a1 | cool |
| 01:45.38 | RedWraith | Though, I've got bigger plans anyway. |
| 01:45.41 | Repo | New map: http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/lunar-tides/. Lunar Tides. ryananger (Manager/Author). Approved by sixen. |
| 01:45.46 | Repo | New map: http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/lunar-misfortune/. Lunar Misfortune. Legodudeguy (Manager/Author). Approved by sixen. |
| 01:45.47 | RedWraith | I could definitely make an 'infection' map with this. |
| 01:45.53 | RedWraith | Where players take over eachothers units. |
| 01:45.55 | rrowland | It moves 0.6, 16 times per second |
| 01:46.01 | rrowland | For a certain duration |
| 01:46.09 | rrowland | Which depends on skill level |
| 01:46.18 | immor7a1 | ? rrwoland? |
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| 01:46.31 | RedWraith | I'll be releasing it today probably. I've only got a few more things to modify. |
| 01:46.33 | rrowland | 1.0, 1.2, 1.4, 1.6 are the durations |
| 01:46.37 | RedWraith | Famous last words, though. |
| 01:46.46 | ctccromer | in the units section of the data editor, where do you edit how far away a unit will attack an enemy unit from (without being ordered) |
| 01:46.59 | immor7a1 | rrowland, is that relating to me not using keyboard keys? |
| 01:47.12 | RedWraith | No. |
| 01:47.15 | RedWraith | He's talking about missiles. |
| 01:47.17 | immor7a1 | oh |
| 01:47.34 | RedWraith | immort7a1, just make the abilities targeted. |
| 01:47.36 | ProzaicMuze | Yeah, he's talkin' to me. Ignore everyhing I say unless I start yelling at you ;) |
| 01:47.49 | immor7a1 | make the abilities targeted? |
| 01:47.55 | ProzaicMuze | So you want the bullet to move 30range in 1s, 1.2s, 1.4s and 1.6s correct? |
| 01:47.56 | RedWraith | like the sentry's force field |
| 01:48.00 | immor7a1 | im trying to select units in a unit group based on keyboard input |
| 01:48.04 | RedWraith | or a build |
| 01:48.06 | RedWraith | but with range |
| 01:48.07 | rrowland | 30 range was just an estimate |
| 01:48.15 | rrowland | And no it goes a constant speed |
| 01:48.17 | RedWraith | sentry force field with build validators |
| 01:48.18 | RedWraith | Done. |
| 01:48.27 | ProzaicMuze | ahh, just how long it travels for, got it |
| 01:48.36 | immor7a1 | ? |
| 01:48.38 | ctccromer | what are validators for? (and bump on the unit question) |
| 01:48.47 | rrowland | It moves 0.6*16*1.0 = 9.6 to start |
| 01:48.49 | RedWraith | immor7a1, for moving your pieces. :P |
| 01:48.50 | ctccromer | ive only used them when copying peoples' triggers |
| 01:48.54 | casperb | validators are for validations |
| 01:48.55 | casperb | :P |
| 01:48.55 | ProzaicMuze | so 9.6range per/s |
| 01:48.56 | RedWraith | Since you were going with arrows and shit. |
| 01:48.57 | ProzaicMuze | lol, yeah |
| 01:49.02 | immor7a1 | im not moving them |
| 01:49.05 | rrowland | and 0.6*16*1.0 = 15.36 at level 4 |
| 01:49.06 | immor7a1 | im merely selecting units |
| 01:49.07 | RedWraith | oh, well fuck that then. |
| 01:49.08 | RedWraith | :( |
| 01:49.09 | rrowland | And that's not per second |
| 01:49.13 | rrowland | That's the total time |
| 01:49.17 | rrowland | total distance* |
| 01:49.19 | immor7a1 | i just want to select units |
| 01:49.25 | immor7a1 | based on keyboard input |
| 01:49.26 | ProzaicMuze | sorry, s=shot, I was lazy Xp |
| 01:49.31 | immor7a1 | i guess i could use mouse |
| 01:49.33 | rrowland | Guess I over estimated :P |
| 01:49.38 | immor7a1 | whatev |
| 01:49.39 | ProzaicMuze | lol yeah, that's like half the distance ;) |
| 01:49.41 | RedWraith | Mouse is always good. |
| 01:49.47 | rrowland | But there is one shot that workse like this: |
| 01:50.04 | rrowland | Starts with 0.05 acceleration |
| 01:50.19 | rrowland | Same as the other one, it moves by its acceleration 16 times a second |
| 01:50.29 | rrowland | But every loop (16 times a second) it games 0.02 acceleration |
| 01:50.32 | Sixen | rrowland: http://forums.sc2mapster.com/general/general-chat/3707-ai-for-the-mac/ -- Can you answer there? |
| 01:50.35 | rrowland | So it picks up speed and spans the entire map |
| 01:50.49 | rrowland | it gains* |
| 01:50.53 | ProzaicMuze | wait, so you mean it starts with 0.05 velocity and has an accelration of 0.02? |
| 01:50.58 | rrowland | Sizen I have no idea about anything to do with the map |
| 01:51.01 | rrowland | Yes |
| 01:51.07 | Sixen | =o |
| 01:51.08 | ProzaicMuze | for what duration? |
| 01:51.18 | rrowland | Forever, until it's off the edge of the map |
| 01:51.24 | rrowland | Maximum of 500 units |
| 01:51.37 | rrowland | errr |
| 01:51.42 | ProzaicMuze | 500!? |
| 01:51.47 | rrowland | Sixen I have no idea about anything to do with the mac*** |
| 01:51.55 | Sixen | Oh, it's the map itself |
| 01:51.56 | ProzaicMuze | your map is 500 x 500!? |
| 01:52.15 | rrowland | 250000 + 250000 = 500000 |
| 01:53.09 | rrowland | I lost my train of thought on that one |
| 01:53.16 | rrowland | but I'm saying the max isn't the height or width |
| 01:53.22 | rrowland | It's the hypotenuese |
| 01:53.34 | ProzaicMuze | oh, I get what you're saying lol |
| 01:53.55 | ProzaicMuze | 255^2 + 255^2 = N^2 |
| 01:53.57 | ProzaicMuze | Got it |
| 01:54.01 | rrowland | Right |
| 01:54.15 | ProzaicMuze | I completely forgot about trig for a sec there ;) |
| 01:54.24 | rrowland | lol |
| 01:54.36 | rrowland | I'm sure it's not 500 either |
| 01:54.43 | rrowland | But 500 is the max range that blizz uses |
| 01:54.46 | rrowland | In the data editor |
| 01:54.53 | ProzaicMuze | lol |
| 01:54.56 | rrowland | so I use it for consistency |
| 01:55.09 | ProzaicMuze | the max range is 360ish |
| 01:56.45 | rrowland | 360.62445840513923744443062467347 |
| 01:56.48 | rrowland | surprisingly close |
| 01:57.02 | ProzaicMuze | lol |
| 01:57.06 | ekcolnovkol | YES |
| 01:57.08 | ekcolnovkol | FUCKING |
| 01:57.09 | ekcolnovkol | FINALLY |
| 01:57.10 | ekcolnovkol | AFTER |
| 01:57.12 | ekcolnovkol | 21 HOURS |
| 01:57.15 | ProzaicMuze | you got laid? |
| 01:57.16 | ekcolnovkol | 1 ABILITY |
| 01:57.17 | ekcolnovkol | no |
| 01:57.18 | ekcolnovkol | <_< |
| 01:57.22 | ekcolnovkol | that was 3 years ago |
| 01:57.23 | ekcolnovkol | anyway |
| 01:57.26 | ekcolnovkol | 21 HOURS |
| 01:57.29 | ekcolnovkol | FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF |
| 01:57.47 | rrowland | And strange how 255, the max value for a byte, correlates with 360, the total of degrees in a circle |
| 01:57.56 | rrowland | Just.. coincidentally |
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| 02:00.40 | rrowland | Guess I'm the only one nerdy enough to find that intriguing |
| 02:00.55 | ProzaicMuze | lol I actually noticed that as well |
| 02:01.20 | ProzaicMuze | I just assumed it was intentional or something and thought I'd sound slow or something :S |
| 02:01.49 | rrowland | lol |
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| 02:03.38 | ProzaicMuze | Did you use a custom model for the bullet or one from the game? Figure I might as well make it as close to your version so I can test for lagginess |
| 02:04.25 | Alpha_vst | hey |
| 02:04.34 | Alpha_vst | in max how do you edit the grid? |
| 02:04.42 | ProzaicMuze | 3ds max? |
| 02:04.44 | rrowland | EMP projectile |
| 02:04.45 | Alpha_vst | yes |
| 02:05.06 | ProzaicMuze | it's been a while. . . I'd have to go open it up lol |
| 02:05.09 | ProzaicMuze | and mmk rrowland |
| 02:06.01 | rrowland | "EMP 2 Weapon" |
| 02:08.27 | ProzaicMuze | Oh boy I just had a great idea that might make this bullet of yours cake to make! |
| 02:08.29 | ProzaicMuze | gotta try it out |
| 02:08.40 | rrowland | Hope it works then :P |
| 02:08.55 | rrowland | And if it's attaching a behavior with periodic damage to a project I've tried that lol |
| 02:09.01 | rrowland | projectile* |
| 02:16.46 | Azoreo | Hello refactoring, goodbye two hours of my evening. |
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| 02:19.23 | rrowland | Wish there were a more efficient way to handle button clicks |
| 02:19.42 | rrowland | Instead of having to iterate through all of my buttons and ask "Is this the one the player clicked?" |
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| 02:20.16 | Alpha_vst | yeah pretty lame |
| 02:20.25 | ProzaicMuze | I think someone mentioned that you can make a trigger for what a person clicks in real time, but that it's incredibly laggy. |
| 02:21.56 | rrowland | A good way to make it possible would be to give buttons a custom value |
| 02:22.00 | rrowland | Even if it was just 1 |
| 02:22.08 | rrowland | So I could index them myself |
| 02:22.19 | rrowland | I know all they are is an integer but I have no way to organize them |
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| 02:30.59 | Alpha_vst | i think i got my first wall model done :P |
| 02:31.15 | Alpha_vst | im kinda impressed with my box making skills |
| 02:31.18 | Alpha_vst | lol |
| 02:33.26 | Alpha_vst | are there any tools to paint on 3d models? |
| 02:33.54 | Azoreo | Alpha - you just starting to teach yourself 3dsmax? |
| 02:34.48 | cronos | mudbox is more detailed for meterials then 3ds max .. and compaitible both are autodesk |
| 02:35.30 | Alpha_vst | yes |
| 02:35.32 | Alpha_vst | lol |
| 02:35.36 | Azoreo | Nice |
| 02:35.46 | Dustin | Without WASD support online I cant really use the editor as a full SDK like I planned to :( |
| 02:35.47 | Azoreo | I've been meaning to start looking at it...but...time's eaten up just with the editor. |
| 02:35.55 | Alpha_vst | yeah |
| 02:36.06 | Dustin | Maybe I should just use that new Unreal Development Kit they released |
| 02:36.16 | Alpha_vst | i dont plan to do a lot hopefully i can get someone to make me models later |
| 02:36.23 | Alpha_vst | but i need a few things for now |
| 02:36.33 | Azoreo | Just kidnap a modeller and lock him/her in your basement? |
| 02:36.48 | Azoreo | I know a guy - I'll get you his address and some chloroform. |
| 02:37.59 | Alpha_vst | um no |
| 02:38.35 | Azoreo | Creepy joke gone awry, back to lurking. |
| 02:39.14 | ProzaicMuze | rrowland, what do you want the bullet to do when it ends? Poof? Explode? |
| 02:40.21 | Sixen | Dustin. Can I QQ? |
| 02:40.55 | picklefish | how goes it |
| 02:42.24 | Sixen | hai piclke |
| 02:43.46 | rrowland | I just remove it from the game |
| 02:43.59 | rrowland | Nothing flashy |
| 02:44.01 | ProzaicMuze | mmk |
| 02:45.58 | Sixen | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMupsZAPm9I |
| 02:45.59 | Sixen | lol? |
| 02:46.07 | Sixen | We can control their limbs? |
| 02:46.40 | casperb | o.O |
| 02:46.48 | casperb | we don't have access to the rig do we? |
| 02:46.57 | casperb | nah must be imported anims :P |
| 02:47.11 | Alpha_vst | custom animations |
| 02:47.13 | Alpha_vst | has to be |
| 02:47.15 | Sixen | Ah, of course. |
| 02:49.35 | casperb | Alpha_vst: for texture painting, photoshop ftw! :P |
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| 02:49.48 | Alpha_vst | you can paint on models? |
| 02:50.10 | Triceron | you can with some 3d apps |
| 02:50.21 | Triceron | Bodypaint, Zbrush |
| 02:50.25 | casperb | Alpha_vst: was getting to that, actual 3d painting support is limited across the industry, you have basically Modo/Zbrush |
| 02:51.05 | casperb | Maxon's software hasn't been updated in like 5 years or something tho? |
| 02:51.13 | Alpha_vst | i just need something basic for outlines and shit :P |
| 02:51.34 | casperb | painting the texture by hand would be easier |
| 02:51.41 | Triceron | 'easier' |
| 02:51.57 | Triceron | if you know how UVs work |
| 02:52.06 | Alpha_vst | but you need to how where what goes where on the texture dont you |
| 02:52.12 | Alpha_vst | i have no idea what that is |
| 02:52.22 | Triceron | UVs are texture coordinates |
| 02:53.23 | casperb | If you open a model's texture you'll notice no sane person would want to paint that way |
| 02:53.27 | Alpha_vst | right now my texture is reapting on my model... how do i change that? |
| 02:53.35 | Alpha_vst | yeah i know |
| 02:54.02 | Triceron | think of papercraft |
| 02:54.29 | casperb | yeah it's pretty much the unfolded version of your 3d geometry |
| 02:55.09 | Alpha_vst | how do i change how a texture acts on my model? |
| 02:55.27 | casperb | Define 'acts'? |
| 02:55.32 | Alpha_vst | hold on |
| 02:56.34 | Alpha_vst | http://i47.tinypic.com/33x788p.jpg <--- i dont want that i want the texture to cover the model |
| 02:56.59 | casperb | Aha, you'd want to unwrap that |
| 02:57.11 | Alpha_vst | how do i do that? |
| 02:58.22 | Triceron | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mA_Qaiwwjac |
| 02:58.26 | casperb | I never ever model in max just FYI, but apply a UW Unwrap Modifier and define the seams |
| 02:59.10 | casperb | ah yeah link Triceron posted works better than my halfassed explanation of how to use software i hate :D |
| 02:59.14 | Alpha_vst | thanks :P |
| 02:59.36 | Triceron | looks like an older version of max, but the principle should be the same |
| 02:59.58 | Alpha_vst | yeah |
| 03:01.27 | ProzaicMuze | gah, this idiot on the phone won't shut up! |
| 03:01.45 | ProzaicMuze | I'm trying to make a sniper bullet, go ask someone else questions! *hates clients who are dumb* |
| 03:02.19 | casperb | lol |
| 03:03.05 | casperb | Just tell them "Listen, I'm busy I've got sniper rounds i need to figure out what to do with" :P |
| 03:03.19 | RedWraith | Okay, I've generalized my anti-walling function to work with literally any walling configuration, including infinitely many walls. |
| 03:03.32 | RedWraith | All you need to do is define what walls are where and put it in the adjacency function. :) |
| 03:03.48 | casperb | Video, or it never happened |
| 03:04.11 | RedWraith | Next, I'll generalize it to allow for any unit size and diagonals on/off perhaps. |
| 03:04.40 | RedWraith | Though, I don't know if I'll be able to do it for both diagonals and not. Maybe... |
| 03:05.28 | RedWraith | Might even be able to generalize it for any size of unit. |
| 03:05.43 | RedWraith | casperb, if you want to play with it, maybe try to build a wall with only supply depots |
| 03:05.44 | RedWraith | be my guest |
| 03:05.45 | Alpha_vst | :( |
| 03:06.00 | RedWraith | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5848688/Tower%20Defense.SC2Map |
| 03:06.03 | RedWraith | Why so sad, alpha? |
| 03:06.39 | RedWraith | lol, if I can get this to work for walling for any size unit, and even for varying sizes of 'walker' unit, that'd be pretty badass. |
| 03:06.42 | picklefish | I'll try it red |
| 03:06.48 | ProzaicMuze | Gah, I think if I told my photographer clients that I have sniper bullets to mess with, I'd lose clients every quickly Xp |
| 03:06.48 | casperb | I'll have a look later red, boxing stuff atm :P |
| 03:07.03 | Alpha_vst | im following this thing but the options are grayed out? |
| 03:07.06 | Alpha_vst | so wtf |
| 03:07.12 | RedWraith | :( |
| 03:07.43 | RedWraith | its dinner time |
| 03:07.46 | RedWraith | bbl |
| 03:07.51 | casperb | ProzaicMuze: Neh just tell them you're going for a new art direction :D |
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| 03:09.49 | Dustin | We can edit models and import them right? |
| 03:09.59 | Triceron | yar |
| 03:10.00 | casperb | Yep |
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| 03:10.08 | Dustin | sweet |
| 03:10.29 | RedWraith | pickelfish, btw it's supposed to wall on diagonals |
| 03:10.36 | Dustin | What all programs have import/exporters? just 3ds max? |
| 03:10.44 | RedWraith | I could make it not do it simply by changing the size of the square region. |
| 03:10.48 | Triceron | just max so far |
| 03:11.21 | Triceron | it's an unofficial exporter, so its not 100%, but it supports most features |
| 03:11.27 | Dustin | k, I've used it before, should be similar |
| 03:11.30 | picklefish | pretty nice RedWraith |
| 03:11.35 | picklefish | completely prevents walling |
| 03:11.39 | picklefish | I tried it pretty thoughouly |
| 03:11.44 | Alpha_vst | ok got it |
| 03:11.55 | Alpha_vst | this guy doesnt tell me how to save this shit though |
| 03:12.08 | Dustin | Autodesk 3ds Max 2011 x86, you guys think that'll be a good version? |
| 03:12.11 | RedWraith | I'm going to try to generalize it as much as possible and then release it so that people with TDs wont have to deal with units walking through or something. |
| 03:12.39 | picklefish | haha |
| 03:12.41 | picklefish | neat |
| 03:12.44 | picklefish | I cannot break it |
| 03:12.49 | Alpha_vst | i know rtight |
| 03:12.51 | Alpha_vst | its a bitch |
| 03:12.52 | picklefish | do you just test 2 points? |
| 03:13.01 | Alpha_vst | he tests the whoel fucking thing |
| 03:13.17 | RedWraith | My goal: multiple walls of any shape (done), multiple buildings of any radius (not yet done, shouldn't be too tough), and with the second one would be radius dependent |
| 03:13.20 | RedWraith | Also, I need a way |
| 03:13.24 | RedWraith | to refund based on cost |
| 03:13.26 | RedWraith | rather than |
| 03:13.28 | RedWraith | value of unit |
| 03:13.32 | RedWraith | i.e. how much it cost me |
| 03:13.36 | RedWraith | not how much it's worth |
| 03:13.42 | Alpha_vst | yeah thats the hard part |
| 03:13.45 | RedWraith | That, or |
| 03:13.49 | RedWraith | a way to prevent it entirely |
| 03:13.55 | Alpha_vst | save a custom value to a unit |
| 03:14.06 | Alpha_vst | or something |
| 03:14.23 | RedWraith | Ideally, it would never build, but it goes through the phases after it's already made, which is frustrated. |
| 03:14.31 | RedWraith | or at least so quickly I can't do anything about it :( |
| 03:14.40 | RedWraith | frustrating* |
| 03:14.58 | picklefish | so RedWraith did you do all of that in trigger or galaxy? |
| 03:15.03 | RedWraith | trigger |
| 03:15.08 | casperb | trigger == galaxy |
| 03:15.10 | picklefish | cool |
| 03:15.10 | RedWraith | just look in the trigger editor and see :) |
| 03:15.16 | picklefish | casperb no. |
| 03:15.18 | RedWraith | It's some fun stuff how it works. |
| 03:15.29 | casperb | picklefish: yeh, just generates the code for you :p |
| 03:15.39 | casperb | still exactly the same code |
| 03:15.41 | picklefish | you either use trigger editor, or write .galaxy directly |
| 03:15.43 | casperb | well a bit messier but |
| 03:15.49 | RedWraith | casperb, he meant whether I wrote it in galaxy or used the trigger editor. |
| 03:15.50 | picklefish | RedWraith: knew exactly what I meant |
| 03:15.57 | Dustin | Are you able to Get the same pathing data as the AI uses? |
| 03:16.18 | Dustin | Like able to track what it's patheri s checking for in it's move process |
| 03:16.35 | RedWraith | The best part of the algorithm is the only thing that's longer than O(1) average time is remove, which is actually pretty big. |
| 03:16.47 | RedWraith | However, because most players remove things at the same time or with fairly large intervals in between |
| 03:16.50 | RedWraith | it's not a big problem |
| 03:17.08 | RedWraith | whereas I need to know check and add pretty fast. |
| 03:17.15 | picklefish | yeah but O(1) doesn't really mean much if your constant is huge :D |
| 03:17.22 | RedWraith | It's TINY. :D |
| 03:17.26 | picklefish | ah |
| 03:17.36 | RedWraith | Should I explain how it works or do you want to pick it apart? |
| 03:17.45 | picklefish | oh I can glance at it |
| 03:17.53 | picklefish | forgot I had it... even though I was running it |
| 03:18.49 | RedWraith | It's a simple infect everything you touch sort of deal, with walls determining what's infected with what. If you'd be infected with two things, you don't get placed. |
| 03:19.16 | picklefish | ah neat |
| 03:19.24 | picklefish | they're all in groups? |
| 03:19.29 | RedWraith | Was trying to figure out a simple way to explain that. God I love recursion. |
| 03:19.30 | RedWraith | No need. |
| 03:19.36 | RedWraith | Custom values. |
| 03:19.38 | RedWraith | :) |
| 03:19.47 | picklefish | custom values? |
| 03:19.54 | RedWraith | I mean, I could do it either way, but with groups, I'd need to declare the number in an array. |
| 03:19.58 | RedWraith | Units can carry custom values. |
| 03:20.03 | picklefish | gotcha |
| 03:20.08 | picklefish | makes sense, I wouldn't have thought of that |
| 03:20.15 | picklefish | tis clever |
| 03:20.15 | RedWraith | It took me a day or so. |
| 03:20.31 | RedWraith | I was like...what could do this other than walking on walls/through empty space? |
| 03:20.53 | RedWraith | Because I hate inefficient algorithms in important locations. lol |
| 03:20.58 | picklefish | so you only get infected if you're touching a wall? |
| 03:21.14 | RedWraith | You get infected if you're touching a wall or touching someone who is infected. |
| 03:21.15 | picklefish | I can imagine the kind of trash that will come out... |
| 03:21.21 | picklefish | yeah |
| 03:21.22 | picklefish | neat |
| 03:21.25 | RedWraith | Recursion |
| 03:21.26 | RedWraith | :D |
| 03:21.51 | Dustin | whats mudbox? |
| 03:21.55 | RedWraith | Search everything in the square, re-associate its number and run the algorithm for it if its number was changed. |
| 03:22.10 | RedWraith | I want to make an infection-based game off of it somehow. |
| 03:22.17 | RedWraith | like hexxagon or something. |
| 03:22.17 | picklefish | heh |
| 03:22.37 | picklefish | how does region x-2.1 why-2.1 x+2.1 why+2.1 work? |
| 03:22.42 | picklefish | dang it |
| 03:22.50 | RedWraith | you can actually do |
| 03:22.51 | picklefish | pidgin turns y into why |
| 03:22.52 | RedWraith | copy as text |
| 03:23.01 | RedWraith | from right click in editor |
| 03:23.08 | picklefish | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:23.13 | RedWraith | anyway, distance is 2.0 |
| 03:23.22 | RedWraith | I did 2.1 because it wasn't including it or something. |
| 03:23.22 | picklefish | disance? |
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| 03:23.24 | picklefish | like a square |
| 03:23.28 | RedWraith | It's a square. |
| 03:23.32 | picklefish | gotcha |
| 03:23.36 | RedWraith | That region is a rectangle around the unit. |
| 03:23.40 | picklefish | gotcha |
| 03:24.35 | Alpha_vst | WHEW GOT IT |
| 03:24.46 | RedWraith | The unit's footprint is 2x2, so it's 1 in all directions. That way, it'll count things directly beneath it. Not sure if it does with 2.0. |
| 03:24.48 | s1dd | wtb phase 2 |
| 03:24.59 | picklefish | indeed... s1dd |
| 03:25.01 | RedWraith | lol, I need to see if there's a way to do no-diagonals without using a circle |
| 03:25.04 | picklefish | wtb next map editor patch |
| 03:25.08 | RedWraith | ?? |
| 03:25.11 | RedWraith | s1dd? |
| 03:25.19 | picklefish | the person who talked lol |
| 03:25.23 | RedWraith | OH |
| 03:25.24 | RedWraith | lol |
| 03:25.26 | picklefish | no diagnals? |
| 03:25.30 | RedWraith | well, the thing is |
| 03:25.44 | s1dd | wtf is a s1dd anyway |
| 03:25.44 | RedWraith | for certain smaller units, like the supply depot, they can't block diagonally. |
| 03:25.47 | RedWraith | sidd |
| 03:25.59 | s1dd | sounds like a lame name imo |
| 03:26.11 | RedWraith | oh god, that could get complicated @_@ |
| 03:27.10 | RedWraith | oh, I know what I could do, I could make it a function of the radii of both units, since afaik that's how it works. |
| 03:27.25 | RedWraith | That'd be weird with things like barracks, though. |
| 03:27.26 | picklefish | idunno why you're using circles at all? |
| 03:27.36 | RedWraith | I'm not, currently. |
| 03:27.43 | picklefish | ah |
| 03:27.57 | RedWraith | wait, actually, it just has to always avoid walling. |
| 03:28.14 | RedWraith | though, it'd have to detect if two units are walling to do that |
| 03:28.15 | RedWraith | bah |
| 03:28.29 | RedWraith | yeah, would need to make a function for that, of unit size and distance between buildings |
| 03:28.59 | RedWraith | so, like, I need to make a function that determines if there's enough space between the buildings for the unit size to fit. |
| 03:29.22 | Sixen | Anyone know how to create a Mod? |
| 03:29.30 | RedWraith | This will, however, never work for non-rectangular footprints and if someone tries to make me do it, I'll probably get lost in the process. |
| 03:29.31 | Sixen | I've never actually tried before. |
| 03:29.36 | `3ICE | new map --> change map to mod in the dropdown |
| 03:29.41 | picklefish | I don't even know what the difference is |
| 03:29.46 | RedWraith | one has terrain |
| 03:29.48 | RedWraith | other doesn't |
| 03:29.49 | RedWraith | that's it |
| 03:29.52 | `3ICE | maps can "require" mods |
| 03:29.57 | picklefish | interesting... |
| 03:30.02 | RedWraith | that, or it's just libraries |
| 03:30.04 | `3ICE | i use mods in my maps |
| 03:30.04 | picklefish | so how do you test a mod? make a test map? |
| 03:30.06 | RedWraith | well, same thing really |
| 03:30.14 | RedWraith | yes |
| 03:30.16 | `3ICE | i dont test them :P |
| 03:30.18 | Sixen | Oh you sly dog, 3ICE. |
| 03:30.19 | picklefish | lol |
| 03:30.37 | `3ICE | I get everything right @ first try :) |
| 03:30.44 | `3ICE | except when not, of course! |
| 03:31.28 | Sixen | Hrm. |
| 03:31.37 | Sixen | So, we don't exactly create an SC2Mod like Core, Liberty, etc |
| 03:31.41 | Sixen | Ours is just a file |
| 03:31.46 | `3ICE | one small performance issue with "matching Required: Structure; Excluded: Missile, Dead, Hidden" is that once a matching structure is found it will most likely not be a missile or hidden |
| 03:31.54 | `3ICE | we can go bigger |
| 03:32.03 | `3ICE | it can be in the Mods folder |
| 03:32.17 | `3ICE | but it will be stored on bnet anyway |
| 03:32.23 | `3ICE | design inconsistency imho |
| 03:32.41 | `3ICE | i put my mods in my maps folder -.- |
| 03:32.41 | picklefish | `3ICE: what is an example of a mod you would use? |
| 03:32.46 | Sixen | hmmm |
| 03:32.48 | `3ICE | like i have two maps |
| 03:32.53 | `3ICE | using the same set of units |
| 03:33.00 | `3ICE | i make a mod and the two maps use that mod |
| 03:33.04 | picklefish | AHHH |
| 03:33.06 | picklefish | whoops |
| 03:33.08 | picklefish | ahh gotcha |
| 03:33.11 | `3ICE | then once i change a unit both maps are automatically updated :) |
| 03:33.14 | `3ICE | like "include" in php |
| 03:33.15 | picklefish | like if you wanted to jump between maps? |
| 03:33.29 | picklefish | for an epic rpg or something |
| 03:33.38 | picklefish | you'd have all the main data in a mod |
| 03:33.54 | `3ICE | multiple mods |
| 03:33.58 | `3ICE | silly map size limit :) |
| 03:34.01 | picklefish | ah |
| 03:34.04 | picklefish | orly? |
| 03:34.08 | picklefish | 2mb? |
| 03:34.10 | `3ICE | 10 |
| 03:34.17 | picklefish | 10mb but only 2mb of storage |
| 03:34.17 | `3ICE | or is it 20? meh idk |
| 03:34.26 | `3ICE | oh wow that sucks |
| 03:34.28 | picklefish | 2mb = trigger data size or something |
| 03:34.34 | picklefish | is what I read somewhere |
| 03:34.42 | `3ICE | i never published a map before, except for a testmap just so see how bad publishing system is |
| 03:34.45 | picklefish | oh on the andromeda guys website |
| 03:34.51 | `3ICE | and it is bad :) |
| 03:35.09 | picklefish | I'm more interested in working on tools to help developers |
| 03:35.24 | picklefish | we'll see what features come in the map editor release |
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| 03:40.26 | Triceron | The thing with a mod tho |
| 03:40.38 | Triceron | a mod can *technically* be unlimited in size |
| 03:40.53 | Triceron | since it's just dependant on what files you have in your mod folder |
| 03:41.05 | picklefish | :) |
| 03:41.17 | Triceron | but to be able to get those assets transferrable over Bnet, that's where the limit kicks in |
| 03:41.24 | picklefish | ahhh |
| 03:41.24 | Azoreo | So the "Unit Enters/Leaves Region" doesn't accept Region Variables? That doesn't seem right. |
| 03:41.53 | Triceron | like there's no way to say "Go to this site and download 100mb of assets before playing this map plox" through bnet. |
| 03:42.20 | Triceron | but I still believe they'll circumvent it. With a fee. |
| 03:42.47 | Azoreo | Don't you think it'd just create a community where people are expected to go DL a map and have it in their map folder before playing it? |
| 03:43.02 | Azoreo | If I understand the issue right... |
| 03:43.04 | Triceron | ala DotA, correct? |
| 03:43.38 | Azoreo | I mean, basically the issue is Blizzard is limiting the ability to distribute files from within the Starcraft 2 client. |
| 03:43.52 | Azoreo | Wouldn't folks just realize that the intarwebs exists outside SC2 and just go grab the files manually. |
| 03:43.54 | Triceron | there's also the fact that maps themselves are limited to 10mb |
| 03:43.59 | Azoreo | Thereby making everybody go "Wow, Blizzard is dumb."? |
| 03:44.00 | Triceron | so custom assets aside |
| 03:44.16 | ProzaicMuze | Blizzard is already doing that with everything |
| 03:44.20 | Triceron | I don't think anyone's hit the 10mb limit, but that can still be an issue if you have a big map |
| 03:44.31 | Azoreo | Okay - a map is limited to 10mb, but can't you set the next map in a cycle, basically chaining maps as necessary? |
| 03:44.40 | ProzaicMuze | Want LAN? Go crack it. Want friends? Go to another forum. Want to publish maps? Go to a map site. |
| 03:44.53 | picklefish | might just be a beta thing |
| 03:44.55 | Triceron | I believe so? Not sure, not a mapper myself |
| 03:45.08 | picklefish | or maybe you could get approval for larger maps |
| 03:45.19 | Triceron | Well the community has always done their own thing |
| 03:45.21 | Azoreo | Also - the "Unit Enters/Leaves Region" Event doesn't accept Region Variables? WTF? |
| 03:45.38 | Triceron | Want a tourney? Community can host it. Want custom maps? Community will make it |
| 03:45.41 | Azoreo | I don't think Blizzard is a company that's going to want to go one for one approvals. |
| 03:46.35 | Triceron | I'm sure they'll have a premium mapmaker service |
| 03:46.42 | Triceron | which ups the limits and lets you sell maps |
| 03:46.46 | Azoreo | There was a big article somebody wrote about how SC2's design (no LAN) was a bit hit to tourney organization - a lot of the article focused on how it was a play by Blizz to cut into the Korean competitive market and grab some of the profits. |
| 03:46.56 | Triceron | I'm highly doubtful map selling will be open to anyone |
| 03:46.58 | Triceron | for free |
| 03:47.00 | Azoreo | So if it was easy for people to organize a tourney on the side - why would that person have been article-whining? |
| 03:47.04 | picklefish | hey azer |
| 03:47.11 | Azoreo | Yes Pickle? |
| 03:47.12 | picklefish | click the "(" before Region |
| 03:47.20 | picklefish | and select constant |
| 03:47.34 | picklefish | er |
| 03:47.35 | picklefish | value |
| 03:47.37 | Triceron | what person article-whining? |
| 03:48.52 | Azoreo | Pickle - that's a value, not a variable. |
| 03:49.17 | Azoreo | I'm having issues with variable region sizing. |
| 03:49.26 | Azoreo | Alpha_vst suggested using a region variable and defining my region as such. |
| 03:49.45 | Alpha_vst | whats the issue? |
| 03:50.00 | Azoreo | Unit Enter/Leave Region doesn't take a region variable. |
| 03:50.23 | Alpha_vst | oh yeah you cant use variables like that in events :( |
| 03:50.29 | Azoreo | Basically I have a trigger that needs to check for a unit entering a region - defining a region using a variable (like you said yesterday) |
| 03:50.38 | Alpha_vst | I forgot about that |
| 03:50.40 | Azoreo | well poop. |
| 03:50.55 | Alpha_vst | you can do what i do :P |
| 03:51.09 | Azoreo | I went and dicked around with the Event and tried to force it to accept my variable but the compiler bitches at me. |
| 03:51.20 | Alpha_vst | yeah it wont |
| 03:51.41 | Azoreo | Seems weird...Galaxy is based on C - and in C++ I could do that easily enough... |
| 03:51.45 | Alpha_vst | you will either have to find another way or um do a custom condtion that returns true if a unit is in the region |
| 03:52.01 | Azoreo | Le Sigh |
| 03:52.04 | Alpha_vst | cause you cant use custom events they are broken |
| 03:52.08 | Alpha_vst | :( |
| 03:52.11 | Azoreo | Fix them. |
| 03:52.25 | Azoreo | Has Blizzard mentioned anything about a fix on them? |
| 03:52.30 | Alpha_vst | nope |
| 03:52.43 | Alpha_vst | you can check out my condtion if you want |
| 03:52.51 | Azoreo | Would coding straight into Galaxy probably avoid crap like this? |
| 03:52.53 | Azoreo | Sure Alpha |
| 03:54.07 | Alpha_vst | it uses global variables mostly so yeah... |
| 03:54.08 | Alpha_vst | http://pastebin.com/USpGWwFP |
| 03:54.17 | Alpha_vst | hopefully it will give you an idea :P |
| 03:54.46 | ProzaicMuze | rrowland, you still around? |
| 03:54.51 | Azoreo | Thanks, lemme check it out. |
| 03:54.58 | Alpha_vst | back to hand painting my tetxure |
| 03:55.01 | Alpha_vst | :P |
| 03:55.21 | Alpha_vst | i need a tablet |
| 03:55.23 | Triceron | how's uving going |
| 03:55.30 | Triceron | *hugs his cintiq* |
| 03:56.09 | immor7a1 | oh god |
| 03:56.17 | immor7a1 | if i had 2k to blow |
| 03:56.23 | immor7a1 | i would get a cintiq |
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| 03:56.32 | rrowland | For a couple minutes yea |
| 03:56.39 | BoltHead | Hello everyone =) |
| 03:56.53 | immor7a1 | btw |
| 03:56.59 | immor7a1 | cg textures > hand painted ....just sayin |
| 03:57.09 | casperb | Triceron: -.- |
| 03:57.17 | Triceron | :D |
| 03:57.29 | Triceron | depends on what you're going for |
| 03:57.32 | casperb | Triceron: Have a freaking bamboo atm, my intious crapped out |
| 03:57.49 | casperb | Heck i've switched over to acrylics, going old school :P |
| 03:57.51 | Triceron | I prefer hand-painted myself |
| 03:58.24 | ProzaicMuze | just realized, how will they be using the ability? By click in a direction (requiring max range) or click on a target? (setting range to the distance the bullet actually travels) |
| 03:58.50 | rrowland | It targets a point but it travels the same distance regardless of how far they clicked |
| 03:59.00 | rrowland | just uses the angle |
| 03:59.11 | Alpha_vst | immor7a1 do you know what my map is about? i mean come on |
| 03:59.18 | Alpha_vst | hopefully this turns out good :P |
| 03:59.55 | casperb | oh yeah Alpha's really going to need high resolution bump maps etc! :P |
| 04:00.30 | rrowland | afk for a while |
| 04:02.20 | immor7a1 | im just saying |
| 04:02.23 | immor7a1 | you can ya know |
| 04:02.28 | immor7a1 | stylize realistic textures |
| 04:02.42 | immor7a1 | but you're never gonna hand paint realistic textures |
| 04:02.59 | casperb | Actually, some people are insane on that area |
| 04:03.03 | Triceron | I wouldn't say that :P |
| 04:03.12 | Triceron | you ever see a matte painting? |
| 04:03.26 | ProzaicMuze | I got that, I'm just wondering if you want them to have to travel close enough to hit them or if they can fire at it regardless of the distance, but they won't always hit. |
| 04:03.33 | Azoreo | I don't think Alpha is exactly going for perfection. |
| 04:03.39 | Azoreo | I think he just wants some models. |
| 04:03.44 | immor7a1 | some people are but that takes like.. |
| 04:03.50 | immor7a1 | insane knowledge and skill |
| 04:03.53 | casperb | yep |
| 04:04.11 | immor7a1 | mainly knowledge |
| 04:04.19 | casperb | well yes/no |
| 04:04.22 | casperb | mainly practice |
| 04:04.23 | immor7a1 | cuz you may be able to paint mona lisa, but if you dont know the qualities of iron |
| 04:04.30 | immor7a1 | you have no idea how to make it look like iron |
| 04:04.36 | casperb | err.. |
| 04:04.43 | casperb | guess you're not a painter? :P |
| 04:04.48 | Alpha_vst | im going for "hand drawn" |
| 04:04.50 | immor7a1 | ...i am? |
| 04:06.43 | casperb | Then that statement made no sense at all o.o |
| 04:07.09 | immor7a1 | yea i just reread it |
| 04:07.15 | immor7a1 | i was like that didnt make any sense |
| 04:07.35 | casperb | Portrait? sure just send me your medical records, bloodtype, etc :p |
| 04:07.54 | immor7a1 | what i meant to say was...ok if you're trying to paint something that doesn't have any relation to any physical thing (mona lisa was bad example) |
| 04:08.06 | immor7a1 | and you're good at it |
| 04:08.08 | immor7a1 | that's cool |
| 04:08.20 | immor7a1 | but thats different than trying to paint something from the physical world |
| 04:08.28 | immor7a1 | and sometimes matte painting can be really fantastical |
| 04:08.52 | Triceron | alright, WIP screenshot time |
| 04:08.59 | casperb | w00t w00t! |
| 04:09.06 | immor7a1 | although certain matte painters do pull from physical world stuff like i know mark goerner |
| 04:09.12 | immor7a1 | does |
| 04:09.13 | Triceron | http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v293/Triceron/Harbinger_06c.jpg my latest Zerg dude unit |
| 04:09.41 | immor7a1 | even though mark goerner isnt a matte painter... |
| 04:10.12 | Alpha_vst | WTF |
| 04:10.21 | Alpha_vst | MAKE ME A ZOMBIE!!!! |
| 04:10.35 | Alpha_vst | i made a box.... |
| 04:10.51 | Alpha_vst | a pointy box.... |
| 04:10.55 | Alpha_vst | lol |
| 04:11.00 | Triceron | :D |
| 04:11.18 | Triceron | dude, infested terrans |
| 04:11.20 | casperb | wire shot Triceron ? ^^ |
| 04:11.22 | Triceron | make em white |
| 04:13.23 | Alpha_vst | god... |
| 04:13.25 | Triceron | its pretty crappy, haven't optimized yet http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v293/Triceron/Harbinger_06w.jpg |
| 04:13.31 | Alpha_vst | i want custom models anyways |
| 04:13.52 | Alpha_vst | and im not going to get into that whole infested terran thing |
| 04:14.40 | Triceron | are you still using hydras? |
| 04:14.52 | davidcramer | Anyone recommned a good MMO? |
| 04:15.01 | Triceron | World of Warcraft? |
| 04:15.03 | casperb | Are there any? :p |
| 04:15.12 | davidcramer | Triceron: other than WoW :P |
| 04:15.18 | Triceron | they dont exisy |
| 04:15.20 | casperb | Nice Triceron, wanted to see what was painted and what was geometry :D |
| 04:15.22 | davidcramer | casperb: I want to believe |
| 04:15.27 | davidcramer | Triceron: thats not true |
| 04:15.30 | davidcramer | WoW isnt even that great :P |
| 04:15.42 | casperb | PvP is kinda entertaining, but meh |
| 04:15.45 | Triceron | yep, and every other MMO is worse than that :/ |
| 04:15.51 | casperb | Go kill five monsters |
| 04:15.57 | davidcramer | eve is far superior to WoW :P |
| 04:16.00 | casperb | ok go kill five more |
| 04:16.15 | Triceron | but you're already playing Eve, or know about it |
| 04:16.20 | davidcramer | this is true |
| 04:16.35 | casperb | Eve seemed like an epic bore |
| 04:16.44 | Triceron | so if you want one that's better than WoW and is not Eve, I don't believe one exists. |
| 04:16.45 | davidcramer | like WoW? :P |
| 04:17.01 | davidcramer | ok so on your scale, not as good as WoW, but close, what fits that bill :) |
| 04:17.05 | davidcramer | i was going to try Aion but the reviews suck |
| 04:17.12 | Triceron | Lord of the Rings online is free now I hear? |
| 04:17.14 | davidcramer | and mmorpg.com's rating list is crap |
| 04:17.17 | casperb | There's a new FF game |
| 04:17.18 | davidcramer | and lotro sucked |
| 04:17.22 | davidcramer | casperb: ya not in beta :/ |
| 04:17.24 | Triceron | there's Aion. Which looks good. |
| 04:17.31 | Alpha_vst | anyone know why my model wont show in the editor but it does in game? |
| 04:17.32 | nSwarm | Aion is fun until you realize the only good part is the graphics |
| 04:17.33 | davidcramer | Triceron: looks good but I hear its a grindfest, which makes sense all things considering |
| 04:17.49 | Triceron | oh hey, don't let me get started on gameplay |
| 04:17.50 | nSwarm | the rest gets old pretty fast |
| 04:17.58 | Triceron | it looks good, that's what it has going for it. |
| 04:18.04 | davidcramer | blah why do all video games suck now |
| 04:18.05 | nSwarm | ;p |
| 04:18.08 | davidcramer | how about awesome non-mmo? |
| 04:18.11 | Alpha_vst | anyone know why my model wont show in the editor but it does in game? |
| 04:18.11 | Triceron | not all videogames |
| 04:18.17 | davidcramer | thats not on 360 :P |
| 04:18.18 | casperb | davidcramer: Heard of SC2? :P |
| 04:18.27 | davidcramer | casperb: that is playable :P |
| 04:18.31 | davidcramer | i could play wc3 but :/ |
| 04:18.35 | Triceron | Mass Effect 2, Red Dead Revolver |
| 04:18.39 | casperb | hehe dunno, mass effect |
| 04:18.43 | davidcramer | Triceron: beat ME2, and RDR is 360 |
| 04:18.52 | casperb | oh red dead revolver is neat |
| 04:18.56 | nSwarm | dragon aaage |
| 04:19.00 | davidcramer | i was going to play through AS2 on OnLive, but i need a network cable :/ |
| 04:19.05 | davidcramer | im not a fan of dragon age |
| 04:19.06 | davidcramer | or that style of game |
| 04:19.11 | casperb | nah its on PS3 aswell :P |
| 04:19.13 | nSwarm | 200 hours logged for me |
| 04:19.14 | Triceron | ME2 has dlc |
| 04:19.15 | Triceron | :P |
| 04:19.19 | davidcramer | bleh |
| 04:19.22 | davidcramer | me2 has no replay value |
| 04:19.24 | nSwarm | ME2 dlc isnt great though |
| 04:19.25 | davidcramer | when i did every side quest :p |
| 04:19.27 | Triceron | true enough |
| 04:19.35 | davidcramer | id take another game like the new batman |
| 04:20.00 | casperb | davidcramer: born before 90? :P |
| 04:20.03 | casperb | monkey island! |
| 04:20.05 | davidcramer | lol |
| 04:20.07 | davidcramer | yes, and no :) |
| 04:20.27 | davidcramer | blahh |
| 04:20.31 | davidcramer | so bored :) |
| 04:20.33 | casperb | c'mon you can't get any more epic than money island 1 :P |
| 04:20.45 | davidcramer | i just want some kind of entertaining sandbox game |
| 04:21.12 | Triceron | Red Dead Revolver :P |
| 04:21.17 | davidcramer | Triceron: for pc though :( |
| 04:21.30 | immor7a1 | i dont want to hurt your feelings triceron |
| 04:21.32 | immor7a1 | but that's terribda |
| 04:21.34 | Alpha_vst | OK |
| 04:21.36 | Alpha_vst | so |
| 04:21.37 | immor7a1 | terribad* |
| 04:21.44 | Alpha_vst | for a first go i dont think this is so bad |
| 04:21.47 | Triceron | I haven't played myself, but everyone talking about it says good things |
| 04:21.48 | davidcramer | half tempted to reactivate eve just so i have something to do |
| 04:21.53 | Alpha_vst | but it needs to be toned down some for sure |
| 04:21.55 | Alpha_vst | http://i45.tinypic.com/1hplw6.jpg |
| 04:21.57 | Alpha_vst | lol |
| 04:21.57 | davidcramer | rdr is good |
| 04:22.01 | Triceron | the last game I played was Lost Planet 2 |
| 04:22.11 | Triceron | and it was okay, multiplayer. |
| 04:22.21 | davidcramer | i have a 360 but i have no tv at home |
| 04:22.27 | davidcramer | so its kind of off the list of playable stuff for now |
| 04:22.35 | Triceron | I have Peacewalker on PSP, but haven't touched my PSP in a while. |
| 04:22.46 | Triceron | truth be told, I haven't really played any games since beta went down |
| 04:22.59 | Triceron | I should install Steam again |
| 04:23.21 | nSwarm | why would you uninstall steam O.o |
| 04:23.31 | Alpha_vst | http://i45.tinypic.com/1hplw6.jpg <--- comments anyone? :P |
| 04:23.39 | casperb | uhm, nice box? :p |
| 04:23.49 | Triceron | nice! |
| 04:24.08 | Triceron | put advertisements on em |
| 04:24.12 | Alpha_vst | it is a box i made it my self |
| 04:24.29 | Alpha_vst | ok 1 dollar |
| 04:24.33 | casperb | is it a box of eternal doom? |
| 04:24.39 | Alpha_vst | its a wall |
| 04:24.42 | Triceron | make them moving |
| 04:24.51 | Triceron | and have your zombie AI react to moving walls |
| 04:25.03 | Alpha_vst | no |
| 04:25.07 | Triceron | :( |
| 04:25.07 | immor7a1 | so is that like |
| 04:25.14 | immor7a1 | a scribble shooter? |
| 04:25.15 | Alpha_vst | zombies are not smart enough for that |
| 04:25.24 | davidcramer | anyone played ArmA? |
| 04:25.28 | Triceron | well by react |
| 04:25.34 | Triceron | I mean gorey death animations |
| 04:25.34 | Alpha_vst | its a zombie game immor7a1 |
| 04:25.41 | casperb | Assasin's Creed 2 any good? |
| 04:25.48 | davidcramer | i could buy l4d2 i guess |
| 04:25.58 | davidcramer | ya ac2 is good |
| 04:25.59 | Alpha_vst | well i will make them moving if you make the models and all the animations for him |
| 04:26.02 | Triceron | Ubisoft games on PC are plagued with DRM |
| 04:26.05 | davidcramer | i didnt get to the end because the disk messed up but it was awesome |
| 04:26.05 | Triceron | just a heads up |
| 04:27.03 | immor7a1 | old news |
| 04:27.14 | immor7a1 | Ubisoft games have been plagued with DRM |
| 04:27.18 | immor7a1 | since assassin's creed |
| 04:27.24 | Alpha_vst | so are the black lines a little to much? |
| 04:27.35 | immor7a1 | i like them alpha |
| 04:27.44 | immor7a1 | just need the rest of the models to look that way |
| 04:27.50 | immor7a1 | err textures |
| 04:28.19 | casperb | So currently i have a trigger which more or less just applies the active weapon effect at the target position, does some other checks as well but any ideas on how to move this to data? |
| 04:28.53 | casperb | beyond a massive switch and validators |
| 04:29.22 | RedWraith | soup guise |
| 04:29.23 | RedWraith | I'm back. |
| 04:32.32 | BoltHead | lmao -> http://i.imgur.com/95jR2.jpg |
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| 04:33.22 | casperb | old :P |
| 04:35.20 | Triceron | I can't do anims |
| 04:35.22 | Triceron | I suck at anims |
| 04:35.30 | Dustin | Damnit.. |
| 04:35.32 | Triceron | I just use Blizz's stuff for now |
| 04:35.38 | Dustin | How do you add a container to a unut again |
| 04:36.08 | Alpha_vst | a what |
| 04:36.16 | Dustin | Unit |
| 04:36.25 | Triceron | add a container? |
| 04:36.32 | Dustin | Item Container |
| 04:36.56 | heysparky | howdy folks |
| 04:37.00 | Alpha_vst | hey sparky |
| 04:37.07 | Dustin | hii |
| 04:37.12 | Alpha_vst | was that map i sent you any help? :P |
| 04:37.26 | heysparky | yes and now |
| 04:37.27 | heysparky | no |
| 04:37.40 | heysparky | it's awesome for if I wanted to scale just one time |
| 04:37.41 | Alpha_vst | lol |
| 04:38.03 | heysparky | but I want to scale for each cargo unit, probably will need to do it with triggers |
| 04:38.07 | Alpha_vst | i thought i fixed that :P |
| 04:38.28 | heysparky | no, it's just scaling if the ship has cargo or not |
| 04:38.36 | heysparky | works great |
| 04:39.25 | heysparky | why are the guys yellow when they unload? |
| 04:39.27 | Alpha_vst | i musta forgot to save or thought i did it |
| 04:39.40 | Alpha_vst | lol i was checking which event to use |
| 04:40.04 | heysparky | hrh |
| 04:40.05 | heysparky | er... heh |
| 04:41.14 | heysparky | do you know how to make the objects in an aura gain a tint? |
| 04:42.28 | Dustin | actor messages? |
| 04:42.54 | Alpha_vst | when they gain the behavior do tint |
| 04:44.16 | Azoreo | Ugh. |
| 04:44.59 | Azoreo | So...for my variable region sizes...to get them to shrink |
| 04:45.17 | Azoreo | I tried to wipe out the positive value by setting a negative region, then immediately adding a new positive one |
| 04:45.24 | Azoreo | But it didn't really seem to work. |
| 04:45.44 | Alpha_vst | yeah |
| 04:46.06 | Azoreo | I think it's about time to just skip this feature and work on other stuff. |
| 04:46.36 | Azoreo | I really don't see a way of reducing region sizes - given that, for the moment, I'm forced to use a value and not a variable :( |
| 04:47.12 | Azoreo | Well, that was a fun negation of 2 hours. |
| 04:47.22 | Azoreo | Anywho - night folks. |
| 04:47.47 | Alpha_vst | i gave him a solution 0.o |
| 04:47.54 | Alpha_vst | guess it was to much for him |
| 04:49.03 | Triceron | he lacks fighting spirit |
| 04:49.21 | Alpha_vst | guess so |
| 04:49.28 | Alpha_vst | not a true champion like me |
| 04:50.14 | Alpha_vst | lol |
| 04:50.35 | Alpha_vst | im so impressing with how much passion and shit i still have for this map |
| 04:50.42 | Alpha_vst | impressed :P |
| 04:52.30 | Alpha_vst | what are splats? |
| 04:52.39 | Alpha_vst | like i just got this crazy idea |
| 04:53.17 | Alpha_vst | like i want my walls to have some marking on the terrain |
| 04:53.28 | Alpha_vst | i assume i would use splats |
| 04:53.34 | Dustin | My inventory Bag is showing up as a big pink box |
| 04:53.35 | Dustin | Wtf |
| 04:53.39 | Triceron | no clue what you're talking about, crazy man |
| 04:53.46 | Alpha_vst | me? |
| 04:53.52 | Triceron | yar |
| 04:53.53 | Alpha_vst | yeah forget it to much work im sure |
| 04:54.09 | Triceron | are you talking about decals? |
| 04:54.28 | heysparky | I think splats == decals in GE |
| 04:54.37 | Alpha_vst | i have no idea :P |
| 04:54.45 | Alpha_vst | http://i49.tinypic.com/ek5o9i.jpg version 2 of my new wall |
| 04:54.55 | Alpha_vst | i think the tetxure is way better now |
| 04:55.18 | Alpha_vst | still needs work though |
| 04:55.51 | heysparky | heh, cool |
| 04:56.05 | Alpha_vst | i made that model my self arnt you proud of me? |
| 04:56.15 | Triceron | will your zombies have that kind of texture? |
| 04:56.19 | Triceron | or is it just for backgrounds |
| 04:56.20 | heysparky | could you have made it sketchy sticks instead of geometry? |
| 04:56.38 | Alpha_vst | what do u mean ? |
| 04:57.03 | Alpha_vst | does that look drawn though? |
| 04:57.05 | heysparky | because I sorta wanna see the graphpaper continuing underneath it as if the wall were sketched onto the paper instead of the wall being built out of paper |
| 04:57.06 | heysparky | follow? |
| 04:57.52 | Alpha_vst | so your saying just have the outlines? |
| 04:57.53 | Triceron | you can do that, though there'd be no depth to it |
| 04:58.37 | Triceron | I would figure it'd be a bit confusing figuring out what is sectioned off and what isn't |
| 04:58.44 | Alpha_vst | yeah |
| 04:58.57 | Alpha_vst | thats why i put the bg texture on it |
| 04:59.23 | Alpha_vst | to give it that feel of being part of the terrain |
| 04:59.44 | Alpha_vst | im still playing with it though |
| 05:00.17 | heysparky | I know what you mean triceron, but I think the darkness of the sketched lines would carry the effect so that it wouldn't be confusing |
| 05:00.27 | heysparky | just like if you'd sketched it on paper the illusion works |
| 05:01.13 | BoltHead | lol Alpha I love how your terrain looks like it came out of a pop-up book. Now you need to make a linerider http://www.linerider.com/ |
| 05:01.28 | heysparky | A better reason not to do it the way I'm suggesting is because you couldn't rotate the map at all or you'd see how the lines don't mesh up |
| 05:02.07 | Alpha_vst | lol |
| 05:02.23 | heysparky | because they'd only read from one directon |
| 05:03.18 | BoltHead | is it possable to have transparency's in the textures? |
| 05:04.30 | Triceron | yes |
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| 05:10.27 | ProzaicMuze | So in actor events, I'm trying to do the following: |
| 05:10.30 | Alpha_vst | lol my model was like .1 off :( |
| 05:10.37 | Alpha_vst | so it was showing space |
| 05:10.39 | Alpha_vst | ewwww |
| 05:11.29 | ProzaicMuze | Missile is fired > Event: When Unit(Missile) is created apply Effect(Persistent) at Missile every X seconds |
| 05:12.48 | Alpha_vst | ok |
| 05:13.03 | ProzaicMuze | Example being that when I cast an ability, a missile is launched and every 1 second it creates a persistant model (say a unit) along the missiles path. When the missile no longer exists, it stops. |
| 05:13.43 | ProzaicMuze | The idea being it replaces the need to have a long list of period offsets. |
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| 05:15.50 | heysparky | so if I want units to tint based on an aura that's on them I have to give a event to each unit type that oculd possible get the aura |
| 05:17.16 | Dustin | Soo Do I have to make an Actor for every item ? |
| 05:17.18 | Alpha_vst | no |
| 05:17.32 | Alpha_vst | well yeah nm |
| 05:17.34 | Alpha_vst | lol |
| 05:17.39 | Alpha_vst | you do |
| 05:18.06 | Alpha_vst | and yes Dustin pretty much |
| 05:18.19 | Dustin | damnit |
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| 05:19.40 | onetwo | yo |
| 05:20.59 | Alpha_vst | woot my walls work |
| 05:21.23 | Alpha_vst | im so happy blizzard uses the same grid as max lol |
| 05:21.28 | Alpha_vst | makes my life easy |
| 05:22.42 | Alpha_vst | NEW MODEL!!!!!!!!! |
| 05:22.51 | onetwo | haha |
| 05:23.01 | Alpha_vst | i need to make 3 at least |
| 05:23.07 | Alpha_vst | i ahve one done |
| 05:23.21 | Triceron | haha |
| 05:23.21 | Alpha_vst | did you see my box? |
| 05:23.39 | Triceron | you should make a teapot |
| 05:23.39 | Alpha_vst | im going for a circle this time |
| 05:23.57 | Alpha_vst | fuck a teapot thats complex shit |
| 05:24.03 | heysparky | lol teapot |
| 05:24.15 | onetwo | heysparky |
| 05:24.16 | Triceron | teapot is a standard object in Max :P |
| 05:24.17 | onetwo | did you see my post |
| 05:24.18 | heysparky | it's one of the builtins |
| 05:24.19 | Alpha_vst | zombies wont need a teapot |
| 05:24.19 | onetwo | i put you in there :D |
| 05:24.25 | heysparky | ? wheres? |
| 05:24.28 | Triceron | you can make it just like you make spheres or cubes |
| 05:24.34 | Alpha_vst | post what |
| 05:24.37 | onetwo | http://forums.sc2mapster.com/general/general-chat/3904-the-people-of-sc2mapster-irc/#p4 |
| 05:24.41 | onetwo | i linked it earlier |
| 05:24.46 | onetwo | today |
| 05:24.52 | onetwo | scroll up |
| 05:24.55 | heysparky | lol |
| 05:25.35 | Alpha_vst | I HAVE THE LONGEST thing |
| 05:25.37 | Alpha_vst | WOOT |
| 05:25.40 | onetwo | lol |
| 05:26.03 | Triceron | yah, Alpha's rage is the best |
| 05:26.12 | onetwo | haha |
| 05:26.14 | onetwo | its funny |
| 05:26.18 | onetwo | following his train of thought |
| 05:26.20 | heysparky | I said that when someone scripted a cookie thing in the chat |
| 05:26.21 | onetwo | "okay its working" |
| 05:26.23 | onetwo | "fuck its broken" |
| 05:26.25 | heysparky | wanted to see what it'd do :D |
| 05:26.28 | onetwo | lol |
| 05:26.33 | heysparky | haha, yeah, alpha's is great |
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| 05:27.22 | Dustin | Damnit |
| 05:27.30 | Dustin | Why cant I set counts on behavior applications |
| 05:27.37 | pirate | how do you change the text size of dialog items (labels)? |
| 05:27.38 | onetwo | can you just |
| 05:27.40 | onetwo | add multiple times |
| 05:27.47 | onetwo | hmm pirate i would be interested in that too |
| 05:27.52 | onetwo | if anyone knows |
| 05:27.59 | Dustin | nah it just lets me have one field on the item |
| 05:28.02 | onetwo | oh |
| 05:28.21 | Triceron | who WAS that Martul guy? |
| 05:28.29 | Triceron | of all the time I been here I never seen that dude |
| 05:28.47 | Triceron | or his other personas |
| 05:28.55 | onetwo | you didnt see him? |
| 05:28.57 | onetwo | ~seen blayzin |
| 05:28.58 | purl | blayzin <~chatzilla@ppp-70-243-208-38.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #sc2mapster, 28d 2h 31m 11s ago, saying: 'I never see anyone helping a single person'. |
| 05:28.59 | Alpha_vst | he hasnt been around lately |
| 05:28.59 | onetwo | ~seen martul |
| 05:29.00 | purl | martul <~chatzilla@unaffiliated/martul> was last seen on IRC in channel #sc2mapster, 20d 4h 23m 6s ago, saying: 'and still no one'. |
| 05:29.02 | onetwo | ~seen mcraider |
| 05:29.02 | purl | mcraider <~chatzilla@ppp-70-243-208-37.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #sc2mapster, 28d 41m 10s ago, saying: 'No, because you don't share knowledge of the galaxy editor or help others'. |
| 05:29.05 | onetwo | ~seen razernok |
| 05:29.06 | purl | razernok <~cvdsaf@adsl-66-140-58-84.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 11d 22h 19m 45s ago, saying: 'btw, i didn't write it'. |
| 05:29.07 | onetwo | thats who he is |
| 05:29.16 | onetwo | hed come in with unreasonable demands |
| 05:29.18 | onetwo | he'd |
| 05:29.21 | onetwo | and expect help |
| 05:29.22 | onetwo | then whine |
| 05:29.25 | onetwo | then argue |
| 05:29.31 | Triceron | I so wish I was there :( |
| 05:29.35 | onetwo | haha |
| 05:29.35 | Sixen | ;p; |
| 05:29.36 | Sixen | lol |
| 05:29.37 | onetwo | it wasnt fun |
| 05:29.38 | heysparky | and them mope |
| 05:29.41 | heysparky | mope |
| 05:29.45 | Alpha_vst | lol |
| 05:30.35 | onetwo | so i had some thoughts today |
| 05:30.38 | Alpha_vst | man i came a long way with modeling for one day |
| 05:30.40 | onetwo | perhaps good news regarding banks and saving heroes |
| 05:30.50 | onetwo | my initial thought was using a letter/number code to save heroes to a bank |
| 05:31.05 | onetwo | but then i realized, we can use commas, periods, brackets |
| 05:31.08 | onetwo | equal signs |
| 05:31.10 | onetwo | everything |
| 05:31.17 | onetwo | so instead of 10 numbers + 26 letters |
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| 05:31.24 | Wakkar | Jo ç |
| 05:31.25 | ProzaicMuze | Ouch. . . we had an intimate moment and you didn't give me a forum nod? I want meh ability back >:( |
| 05:31.26 | Wakkar | Hi ! |
| 05:31.36 | onetwo | we get 10+26+32 |
| 05:31.39 | Triceron | You still have 5 days for the modelling contest. Go go Alpha |
| 05:31.39 | onetwo | including all symbols and signs |
| 05:31.51 | onetwo | Prozaic |
| 05:31.53 | Alpha_vst | ok |
| 05:31.59 | onetwo | you havent embarassed yourself yet |
| 05:32.04 | ProzaicMuze | <.< |
| 05:32.04 | onetwo | and i made most of that list a week ago |
| 05:32.05 | Alpha_vst | what modelling contest? |
| 05:32.05 | onetwo | lol |
| 05:32.06 | Alpha_vst | WHAT |
| 05:32.07 | ProzaicMuze | >.> |
| 05:32.16 | Triceron | the final fantasy 13 one |
| 05:32.19 | ProzaicMuze | I guess I better try extra hard ;) |
| 05:32.25 | Alpha_vst | fuck that shit |
| 05:32.28 | Triceron | haha |
| 05:32.34 | Alpha_vst | i made a box... |
| 05:32.40 | Alpha_vst | bad ass box |
| 05:32.45 | Alpha_vst | but still just a box |
| 05:32.52 | Triceron | it could bea box |
| 05:32.58 | Triceron | with a picture of a final fantasy 13 character on it |
| 05:33.36 | Alpha_vst | i wish i could make them path-able :( |
| 05:33.43 | Alpha_vst | so i can have ramps on my walls |
| 05:33.47 | onetwo | OOOH |
| 05:33.51 | onetwo | lowercase VS uppercase |
| 05:33.58 | onetwo | so we can have 10 numbers, 26x letters, and 32 symbols |
| 05:34.01 | onetwo | per "character" |
| 05:34.04 | onetwo | of save/load code |
| 05:34.12 | onetwo | 26x2* |
| 05:34.24 | onetwo | nice |
| 05:34.25 | onetwo | 94 |
| 05:35.34 | Alpha_vst | lol |
| 05:35.45 | Alpha_vst | how is that so helpful? |
| 05:35.50 | onetwo | 0123456789abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyzABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ`~!@#$%^&*()-_=+[{]}\|;:'",<.>/? |
| 05:35.59 | onetwo | thats everything that can be stored in one character |
| 05:36.01 | onetwo | 94 items |
| 05:36.13 | onetwo | so if i had an rpg with 60+ levels |
| 05:36.16 | onetwo | i could store hero level |
| 05:36.18 | onetwo | in one character |
| 05:36.22 | onetwo | instead of 2 digits |
| 05:36.39 | `3ICE | you forgot space |
| 05:36.43 | onetwo | Oh |
| 05:36.43 | onetwo | yeah |
| 05:36.44 | onetwo | nice |
| 05:37.03 | Alpha_vst | special chars also? |
| 05:37.11 | onetwo | well ill leave it as this for now |
| 05:37.11 | `3ICE | not 1 byte |
| 05:37.25 | onetwo | see, in war3 we could only use capital letters + numbers |
| 05:37.27 | onetwo | because people had to type it in |
| 05:37.30 | onetwo | but now because its backend |
| 05:37.34 | onetwo | we can use these ugly symbols |
| 05:37.37 | onetwo | so nice |
| 05:37.39 | Alpha_vst | lol |
| 05:37.46 | onetwo | but still banks are limited to around 80 items i heard |
| 05:37.49 | onetwo | 80 characters? |
| 05:37.51 | onetwo | i dont know |
| 05:37.53 | onetwo | the exact limit |
| 05:38.06 | Triceron | is that not enough? |
| 05:38.12 | Alpha_vst | is that for a encode? |
| 05:38.16 | `3ICE | in a video tutorial by Beider he says about 80 keys |
| 05:38.23 | `3ICE | but strings can be pretty long so no problem |
| 05:38.27 | `3ICE | 80*inf is inf |
| 05:38.42 | `3ICE | worst case scenario we still have 80*100=8000 chars |
| 05:38.49 | `3ICE | if string length is limited |
| 05:38.57 | Alpha_vst | its not i dont think |
| 05:39.16 | `3ICE | i bet it is :) |
| 05:39.32 | Alpha_vst | find out |
| 05:39.38 | onetwo | i believe it is |
| 05:39.40 | onetwo | hmm |
| 05:39.42 | `3ICE | im lazy |
| 05:39.43 | onetwo | we cant |
| 05:39.46 | onetwo | cause you have to test banks on bnet |
| 05:39.47 | `3ICE | onetwo figure it out |
| 05:39.50 | onetwo | on singleplayer its unlimited |
| 05:39.52 | `3ICE | oh right |
| 05:40.22 | `3ICE | well, lets just assume string lengths of 200 and key count of 80 as max |
| 05:40.26 | Glynn | last time I tested, it was a 4631 byte file.. 4632 wouldn't work |
| 05:40.35 | `3ICE | nice |
| 05:40.55 | `3ICE | thats about 57/string |
| 05:40.57 | onetwo | ok so what does that mean in terms of characters |
| 05:40.59 | Glynn | that was total info for all players together.. try to load from another player too and it wouldn't work |
| 05:40.59 | `3ICE | minus all the xml markup |
| 05:41.01 | `3ICE | so 50 |
| 05:41.22 | onetwo | its quite crucial to me |
| 05:41.28 | onetwo | i wnat to have 32 or MORE inventory slots |
| 05:41.36 | onetwo | which means atleast 2 characters for each slot |
| 05:41.41 | onetwo | to store > 95 items |
| 05:41.48 | `3ICE | you've got 4000 characters to work with. |
| 05:42.02 | `3ICE | 250 per player |
| 05:42.18 | Alpha_vst | not a whole lot :P but doable |
| 05:42.27 | `3ICE | sac 50 for other data, save 200 for items: you can save 100 items |
| 05:42.57 | `3ICE | we are going to port some string compression algorithm to sc2 it seems. |
| 05:43.03 | `3ICE | who's up for the task? |
| 05:43.07 | Alpha_vst | you |
| 05:43.09 | `3ICE | haha |
| 05:43.11 | `3ICE | lazy |
| 05:43.15 | Alpha_vst | no |
| 05:43.22 | Alpha_vst | i wouldnt know where to start |
| 05:43.32 | `3ICE | google? sourceforge? wikipedia? |
| 05:43.43 | Glynn | http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/galaxy-editor-help-zone-647/sc2-bank-files-critics-167005/index5.html |
| 05:43.51 | Glynn | 91 possible chars for each one |
| 05:44.01 | Glynn | err, symbols |
| 05:44.15 | Triceron | ugh, I hate Hive so much |
| 05:45.39 | onetwo | thx Glynn |
| 05:45.42 | onetwo | i was looking for that |
| 05:45.45 | ProzaicMuze | Oie. . . this riley starcraft guy doesn't understand what I'm saying too well :( |
| 05:45.48 | ProzaicMuze | http://forums.sc2mapster.com/development/tutorials/3888-data-beam-chain-w-o-missiles-intermediate-difficulty/#p10 |
| 05:45.58 | ProzaicMuze | Check out how many back and forths we have trying to explain what we're explaining to each other |
| 05:46.17 | heysparky | could I use the prisoner's dilemma to tell my AI what strategy to use? IE, is there a way to save variables between plays of a specific scenario? |
| 05:46.37 | Glynn | np.. I'm just hoping we get a bit more space, at least, when release comes |
| 05:47.01 | Glynn | the numbers don't make any sense to me atm.. why 4631? :P |
| 05:47.13 | Glynn | but that's what worked |
| 05:47.19 | onetwo | lol |
| 05:47.30 | `3ICE | in war3 max hero level was a strange number too |
| 05:47.36 | onetwo | Glynn what do you mean 250 per player |
| 05:47.37 | `3ICE | took me an hour to find it |
| 05:47.41 | onetwo | isnt it stored per player anyway |
| 05:48.01 | `3ICE | then i realized it was limited by the xp being stored as an int and there i had it. |
| 05:48.01 | Alpha_vst | it should be |
| 05:48.04 | onetwo | eg isnt a bank file on a per bnet account |
| 05:48.24 | Glynn | if you look at the trigger actions, you specifically load a bank file from a specific player |
| 05:48.34 | `3ICE | bank files are per windows user :( |
| 05:48.42 | `3ICE | as they arent stored on bnet |
| 05:48.47 | onetwo | right... |
| 05:48.48 | onetwo | but |
| 05:48.51 | `3ICE | also you can freely copy bank files |
| 05:48.57 | `3ICE | sell high lvl rpg character for 5$ |
| 05:49.00 | `3ICE | possibilities :) |
| 05:49.03 | Alpha_vst | lol |
| 05:49.04 | onetwo | check player name |
| 05:49.05 | onetwo | in the code |
| 05:49.08 | onetwo | problem solved |
| 05:49.08 | Alpha_vst | cant |
| 05:49.10 | casperb | or write your own :P |
| 05:49.10 | `3ICE | gotta encode the bnet name into the savecode |
| 05:49.11 | `3ICE | yeah |
| 05:49.21 | Alpha_vst | you cant get the player name |
| 05:49.25 | `3ICE | but we cant even use GetPlayerName() |
| 05:49.30 | Alpha_vst | well you can but you cant save it |
| 05:49.40 | casperb | And you can't really check anything, because you don't have anything to authenticate with |
| 05:49.47 | Glynn | text is localized.. so it causes sync problems between languages |
| 05:49.51 | onetwo | oh |
| 05:49.53 | onetwo | yikes |
| 05:49.56 | Glynn | so you can't DO anything with names :/ |
| 05:49.57 | onetwo | plz fix that on release blizz |
| 05:49.58 | onetwo | haha |
| 05:50.06 | Alpha_vst | nope |
| 05:50.07 | Repo | New map: http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/cairo-2428-v0-1/. [4] Cairo 2428 v0.1. MrMoose290689 (Manager/Author). Approved by vjeux. |
| 05:50.17 | casperb | banks are for storing local campaign progress, pretty much it :p |
| 05:50.24 | Glynn | what they can have you do, is type your name into an editbox at the start of a map :P |
| 05:50.35 | Glynn | once they get editboxes working anyway |
| 05:50.35 | Alpha_vst | but thats lame |
| 05:50.47 | `3ICE | i saw a vid where editboxes worked |
| 05:50.54 | Glynn | yeah.. but I'd rather type my name than a WC3 save code :P |
| 05:51.04 | deathnight114 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TqYLXMz9foI |
| 05:51.06 | `3ICE | also, typing a name doesnt mean it is mine |
| 05:51.07 | Glynn | you can simulate them atm, or code your own |
| 05:51.07 | deathnight114 | That's evil |
| 05:51.27 | Alpha_vst | its old also |
| 05:51.39 | casperb | meh guys go away from that crappy mmo stuff, make some co-op campaigns! |
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| 05:51.59 | casperb | i want to play them not make them! :p |
| 05:52.01 | Glynn | heh.. campaigns you can store 100s of MBs of data in banks :P |
| 05:52.11 | casperb | nah |
| 05:52.13 | Glynn | as long as you're playing single player |
| 05:52.16 | casperb | still same limits |
| 05:52.25 | casperb | co-op involves bnet ;) |
| 05:52.36 | casperb | it's not like we have LAN :p |
| 05:53.01 | Alpha_vst | co-op campains weee |
| 05:53.02 | casperb | but who knows, we might get cloud storage |
| 05:53.44 | casperb | yeah was working on one, but writing takes freaking ages and I'm relocating so no time for it atm :P |
| 05:55.35 | onetwo | okay Glynn can you clarify |
| 05:55.37 | onetwo | with banks |
| 05:55.41 | onetwo | if i have my map with 6 players |
| 05:55.46 | onetwo | and one person hits save |
| 05:55.52 | onetwo | do they have 4631 bytes |
| 05:55.54 | onetwo | on their comp |
| 05:55.57 | onetwo | for their hero? |
| 05:56.01 | onetwo | or why not? |
| 05:56.08 | Glynn | ok, the way it works on b.net |
| 05:56.18 | Glynn | when you save, it saves as much as you want |
| 05:56.23 | casperb | AFAIK you can only read 4631 bytes on load all together |
| 05:56.43 | Glynn | but if you try to load a bank larger thank 4631, the map will freeze mid-loading bar |
| 05:57.00 | Glynn | also I don't know the limits on opening multiple small bank files |
| 05:57.16 | Glynn | I tried to open 2 files of 2315 each and it froze |
| 05:57.27 | Glynn | but 2 of 1800 each worked |
| 05:57.39 | Glynn | didn't have a lot of time to test beyond the initial file size |
| 05:57.44 | onetwo | so when 1 player saves and quits the game on bnet |
| 05:57.50 | onetwo | and the rest of the 5 keep playing |
| 05:57.53 | onetwo | how big can that quitting players |
| 05:57.54 | onetwo | bank be |
| 05:58.11 | Glynn | as big as he wants.. it just won't load if the total bank size is over about 4k |
| 05:58.18 | onetwo | what do you mean by total |
| 05:58.20 | Glynn | you can save TONS of info |
| 05:58.31 | onetwo | thats odd |
| 05:58.34 | Glynn | you just can't load it without it freezing :P |
| 05:58.34 | onetwo | that you can save it that big |
| 05:58.38 | Glynn | I know.. |
| 05:58.41 | onetwo | so maybe its not an intended limimtation |
| 05:58.44 | onetwo | limitation* |
| 05:58.47 | Glynn | I'm hoping that, lol |
| 05:58.56 | onetwo | i guess im sort of confused |
| 05:59.06 | onetwo | about why each player in map's bank cant be 4k |
| 05:59.08 | onetwo | or can it? |
| 05:59.08 | Glynn | for now, though.. each bank file exists on a single player's drive, and gets preloaded |
| 05:59.22 | Glynn | total bank size can't be more than 4k |
| 05:59.23 | onetwo | OH i see |
| 05:59.28 | onetwo | so if all my players in my map save 4k |
| 05:59.32 | onetwo | then when 6 players play again |
| 05:59.34 | Glynn | it won't load |
| 05:59.36 | onetwo | and they all have 4k banks of my map |
| 05:59.39 | onetwo | it wont load |
| 05:59.42 | Glynn | right |
| 05:59.45 | onetwo | cause itll be 4kx6? |
| 05:59.48 | onetwo | 4k times 6 |
| 05:59.49 | Glynn | right |
| 05:59.53 | onetwo | thats odd |
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| 05:59.55 | onetwo | that it combines |
| 06:00.10 | onetwo | so 43__ w/e |
| 06:00.11 | onetwo | bytes |
| 06:00.12 | onetwo | total |
| 06:00.15 | onetwo | divide that by 6 right? |
| 06:00.19 | onetwo | and im safe wit hthat number |
| 06:00.20 | onetwo | for now |
| 06:00.30 | casperb | well just have to work within the limits, around 300 bytes per player (12 player map) :p |
| 06:00.39 | casperb | still more than enough space to store character info |
| 06:00.42 | Wakkar | :) |
| 06:00.53 | Glynn | yeah.. or a little less.. like I said, 4631 / 2 is about 2315, and loading 2 files that size didn't work, so there might be some other overhead >.< |
| 06:01.09 | Glynn | but it's not too far off |
| 06:01.13 | onetwo | oh you had a 4631 one person bank |
| 06:01.18 | onetwo | but in my case its be an XX size |
| 06:01.20 | onetwo | 6 player bank load |
| 06:01.24 | Wakkar | 2315,5. |
| 06:01.45 | `3ICE | and lets not forget that banks are xml files and xml contains a lot of overhead, markup |
| 06:01.50 | onetwo | k |
| 06:02.06 | Wakkar | je suis vraiment dans la merde ! |
| 06:02.09 | Glynn | yeah.. so you'd want to save with key and file names as short as possible.. single character, mostly |
| 06:02.20 | Glynn | err.. key and section |
| 06:02.27 | Glynn | not sure filename changes anything |
| 06:02.44 | `3ICE | hey, we could save data into the filename too :) |
| 06:02.45 | Glynn | and you'd want to pack everything into as few strings as possible |
| 06:02.51 | `3ICE | use it for authentication |
| 06:02.57 | Glynn | problem with that |
| 06:03.05 | Glynn | filename has to be preset |
| 06:03.12 | `3ICE | aww |
| 06:03.14 | Glynn | can't load from a variable |
| 06:03.18 | casperb | 1, filename has to be literal, 2 authenticate from what? |
| 06:03.28 | `3ICE | yeah i've read the comment on that function |
| 06:03.49 | `3ICE | authenticate like: hash of a password the user has to input |
| 06:03.55 | `3ICE | or hash of the user's name + salt |
| 06:04.11 | `3ICE | provided we can get the playername once sc2 hits the shelves |
| 06:04.22 | casperb | But it's not going to be any secure at all |
| 06:04.34 | casperb | You have the bank on disk, so you have all the information more or less |
| 06:04.37 | `3ICE | oh you don't know how stupid some users are :) |
| 06:04.45 | moshewe | lol |
| 06:04.54 | `3ICE | we are the elite 1% |
| 06:05.08 | casperb | c'mon these guys own my ass before i get my 10 pool :p |
| 06:05.17 | `3ICE | the rest are lucky if they can fell a HDD from a FDD |
| 06:05.21 | Glynn | kill stuff with your workers :P |
| 06:05.27 | onetwo | the problem is |
| 06:05.30 | onetwo | if you cant check a bnet name |
| 06:05.34 | `3ICE | yet |
| 06:05.35 | onetwo | then anyone can trade the save/load bank |
| 06:05.37 | onetwo | and sell it |
| 06:05.39 | onetwo | yeah |
| 06:05.53 | Glynn | right |
| 06:05.58 | casperb | give me one day and i'll break any encryption crap you try to throw in the bank :P |
| 06:06.04 | onetwo | the even stranger thing is, that sc2 loads a bank with ONE STRING, that is 25000 chars long. i just tested it. it loads it without problems. |
| 06:06.07 | onetwo | thats a quote |
| 06:06.09 | onetwo | from hive |
| 06:06.10 | onetwo | thread |
| 06:06.14 | Glynn | not true.. |
| 06:06.16 | onetwo | k |
| 06:06.27 | Glynn | it loads the first.. 700 or so characters, I think |
| 06:06.54 | Glynn | I think they explain that later? |
| 06:06.55 | casperb | check strlen? |
| 06:07.06 | onetwo | ok |
| 06:07.07 | onetwo | i see now |
| 06:07.36 | Wakkar | AAAAAAAND Again ! A crash with the editor. Love that x-) |
| 06:08.15 | casperb | Only fix i've found for that is do other stuff :p |
| 06:08.43 | casperb | just get into the habit of hitting ctrl + s every 3-4 seconds ^^ |
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| 06:19.37 | moshewe | can people tell me more about banks? |
| 06:19.42 | moshewe | all i know is they are XML |
| 06:19.59 | Wakkar | Is there a way to look...archives, in mIRc ? |
| 06:20.00 | onetwo | im about to try and learn some stuff about them right now |
| 06:20.00 | moshewe | i'm on a unix machine, couldn't install it here and there's a while till i get back to win |
| 06:20.22 | onetwo | http://forums.sc2mapster.com/development/map-development/1247-banking-hero-inventory-items-and-upgrades/ |
| 06:20.25 | onetwo | moshewe |
| 06:20.29 | onetwo | im just looking at that |
| 06:20.30 | moshewe | y? |
| 06:20.32 | onetwo | oh youre in linux |
| 06:21.03 | moshewe | linux, bsd, whatever |
| 06:21.04 | moshewe | just unix |
| 06:21.59 | BoltHead | does anyone have troubles with the Data editor resetting values after you changed them? |
| 06:22.42 | moshewe | onetwo |
| 06:22.59 | onetwo | ive found i cant really reset values |
| 06:23.00 | onetwo | ever |
| 06:23.01 | onetwo | lol |
| 06:23.36 | ProzaicMuze | Sixen, you around? |
| 06:24.06 | moshewe | so onetwo, what's there to know about banks? i understood it's just XML |
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| 06:24.22 | moshewe | and i think i saw some flickering on the screen saying you can't parse them easily enough |
| 06:24.24 | ProsaicMuse | well that was poor timing |
| 06:24.34 | onetwo | no idea moshewe |
| 06:24.39 | onetwo | im about to open that map |
| 06:24.39 | onetwo | i linked |
| 06:24.39 | onetwo | and see |
| 06:25.39 | BoltHead | well onetwo... what happens is I'll change a bunch of values test and realize the changes worked. then i'll go back to the editor change some more and when i test the first set is all back to what it was... |
| 06:25.50 | onetwo | oh |
| 06:25.55 | onetwo | that one is odd |
| 06:26.33 | ProsaicMuse | gah, what's the command to remove your ghost names? |
| 06:26.37 | ProsaicMuse | there are two of me in here |
| 06:26.59 | BoltHead | its happened to me multiple times |
| 06:27.34 | ProsaicMuse | There is a command to force your other self to disconnect so you can claim your rightful name lol |
| 06:27.37 | ProsaicMuse | I can't remember the command |
| 06:27.52 | onetwo | dont know |
| 06:28.00 | onetwo | so for my bank ill need at minimum 98 per hero |
| 06:28.05 | onetwo | x3 for 3 save slots |
| 06:28.11 | onetwo | so about 300 per player |
| 06:28.18 | onetwo | so about 1800 total |
| 06:28.26 | BoltHead | what is the property that dictates how much space your unit takes up? |
| 06:29.13 | ProsaicMuse | What's the best way to change how quickly a missile travels? |
| 06:29.27 | onetwo | bolt: seperation radius? |
| 06:29.28 | onetwo | radius? |
| 06:29.32 | onetwo | i dont know |
| 06:29.32 | onetwo | Prosaic |
| 06:29.38 | ProsaicMuse | radius is that property |
| 06:29.43 | ProsaicMuse | separation radius is for flying units |
| 06:29.46 | onetwo | every missile has a mover associated with it |
| 06:29.49 | onetwo | go to Movers data type |
| 06:29.52 | ProsaicMuse | Yeah, I made a custom mover |
| 06:29.54 | onetwo | find for instance, Marauder weapon mover |
| 06:29.56 | onetwo | okay |
| 06:29.57 | onetwo | find max speed |
| 06:29.58 | onetwo | thats the speed |
| 06:30.00 | onetwo | basically |
| 06:30.01 | ProsaicMuse | and set its speed, but it didn't change it at all rofl |
| 06:30.15 | onetwo | marauder weapon max speed is 20 |
| 06:30.17 | BoltHead | Mmmmm they are both at .5 and the unit is walking though all the other ones |
| 06:30.21 | onetwo | fyi a zergling moves around 3 speed |
| 06:30.35 | onetwo | check its collision |
| 06:30.36 | onetwo | bolt |
| 06:30.59 | ProsaicMuse | Is it a unit or a structure? |
| 06:31.24 | BoltHead | oh its fine now. Its a unit |
| 06:31.46 | BoltHead | its like sometimes the changes don't take effect, and it makes this really confusing at times... |
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| 06:32.02 | Helral|work | hey all |
| 06:32.04 | Wakkar | hi |
| 06:32.07 | moshewe | hi |
| 06:32.14 | BoltHead | I converted a reaper to a medic =) |
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| 06:32.20 | Wakkar | niec one |
| 06:33.41 | ProsaicMuse | And what exactly is the speed relative to? |
| 06:33.48 | ProsaicMuse | Does 3 speed mean it moves 3 range per second? |
| 06:34.17 | onetwo | i dont know |
| 06:34.21 | onetwo | zergling is like 3 |
| 06:34.25 | onetwo | marauder missile is 20 |
| 06:34.28 | onetwo | marine is 2.3 i think |
| 06:34.48 | onetwo | fyi anyone doing save/load banks... but are storing their data in codes like war3 had... this might interest you: http://www.thehelper.net/forums/showthread.php?t=37153 |
| 06:34.50 | BoltHead | thats a good guess if it is the Red grid lines |
| 06:35.13 | ProsaicMuse | lol I know that much, I'm just trying to make this missile travel exact distances properly. |
| 06:36.20 | BoltHead | That sounds like a fun thing to test =) |
| 06:36.46 | BoltHead | I'll make a test map to see =) |
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| 06:52.00 | BoltHead | your right... 1 speed is exactly 1 game grid covered per second |
| 06:53.40 | BoltHead | http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/8513/screenshot004gt.jpg The first movement isn't exactly 1 because of the acceleration time |
| 06:55.20 | ProzaicMuze | That's fine |
| 06:55.36 | ProzaicMuze | However, When I set it to 9.6 in 1 second, it takes like 3 seconds to get there! |
| 06:56.01 | BoltHead | and the test trigger http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/9576/speedtestk.jpg |
| 06:56.14 | rrowland | Not as easy as you thought? |
| 06:56.40 | BoltHead | who was that directed to rrowland? |
| 06:56.59 | ProzaicMuze | I've got everything working properly but the speed. |
| 06:57.14 | BoltHead | 3 game seconds or real? |
| 06:57.34 | BoltHead | and how far is it traveling? |
| 06:57.40 | ProzaicMuze | It passes through objects, does the damage as it goes through DOESN'T use offsets x10000 and goes a set distance. It's just the "over set time" that is weird |
| 06:57.44 | ProzaicMuze | 3 real seconds |
| 06:57.52 | ProzaicMuze | I set it to 9.6 speed and have flight time as 1 second. |
| 06:58.07 | ProzaicMuze | It then takes 3 real seconds to travel it's duration. |
| 06:58.23 | ProzaicMuze | When I set it to 40 speed, it'll travel the 9.6 distance in about .7ish seconds? |
| 06:58.40 | BoltHead | Test is with game seconds... not sure what differance your getting with real time cause of the game speed |
| 06:58.46 | rrowland | Only hits once even if they're running away from it? and properly gets hit 3 times if 3 bullets hit exactly the same time? |
| 06:59.19 | ProzaicMuze | I have it set to faster, so 1second should be faster than the 3 seconds I'm getting lmao |
| 06:59.31 | ProzaicMuze | I've even tried it at normal speed for accurate speed results, it's still slower than it says it is. |
| 06:59.42 | BoltHead | I'm confused on what your doing. |
| 07:00.09 | ProzaicMuze | rrowland has predetermined speeds for his bullet. The variable being how long it travels. |
| 07:00.32 | ProzaicMuze | Right now it goes the correct distance in the wrong time for whatever reason |
| 07:00.36 | BoltHead | ohh so it travels 1 second real time.. |
| 07:00.59 | BoltHead | and how is the distance being calculated? |
| 07:01.26 | ProzaicMuze | And rrowland, I haven't checked if multiple targets hit it as once, but I'm using markers to prevent overlapping damage. |
| 07:01.40 | onetwo | hey so if I want a "character" data type |
| 07:01.44 | onetwo | is that just "Byte" variable? |
| 07:01.46 | onetwo | type |
| 07:01.56 | ProzaicMuze | For the moment, i've matched the cast range with the distance it should travel, mainly so that I can see exactly where it SHOULD travel to. |
| 07:02.09 | onetwo | casperb |
| 07:02.11 | onetwo | do you know? |
| 07:02.13 | ProzaicMuze | So i click outside the cast range, it walks up and shoots directly to said point. however, too slowly. |
| 07:02.22 | casperb | hm sec, in a game :p |
| 07:02.26 | onetwo | k |
| 07:02.31 | onetwo | you must be on some hacked bnet |
| 07:02.32 | onetwo | haha |
| 07:04.08 | BoltHead | well if your limiting its travel by real time and not game time then I would expect some variation... |
| 07:05.14 | onetwo | nvm Byte is wrong |
| 07:05.47 | ProzaicMuze | lol but it's opposite what I expect |
| 07:05.54 | ProzaicMuze | faster speed means shorter times, right? |
| 07:06.05 | ProzaicMuze | with faster gamespeed it's taking longer than 1 second which would mean it's clearly wrong rofl |
| 07:06.06 | onetwo | yes |
| 07:06.09 | onetwo | oh |
| 07:06.21 | Wakkar | Hey hey ! Who think he can fix my crash ? |
| 07:06.33 | Wakkar | Here we go |
| 07:06.34 | Wakkar | http://www.wikiupload.com/zpPcvVrw |
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| 07:07.34 | casperb | So what was the question? |
| 07:07.40 | casperb | alot of unread stuff :p |
| 07:08.01 | ProzaicMuze | How does one beat the galaxy editor into submission in order to achieve exactly what one wants? |
| 07:08.09 | Wakkar | The game crashes when you it a enemy :) |
| 07:08.20 | onetwo | nvm casperb |
| 07:08.22 | onetwo | no question |
| 07:08.22 | onetwo | anymore |
| 07:08.23 | onetwo | lol |
| 07:08.29 | casperb | onetwo: char is it's own datatype |
| 07:08.33 | casperb | if it was that :P |
| 07:08.35 | onetwo | im using string for now |
| 07:08.36 | BoltHead | lol |
| 07:08.55 | casperb | conceptually string is an array of chars |
| 07:09.04 | casperb | implementations may differ as some languages have native support for strings |
| 07:09.38 | casperb | char is a character literal, usually taking up 1 byte, some languages 2 bytes, etc |
| 07:10.03 | casperb | And i just got owned in the face X.X i need SC beta! |
| 07:10.06 | BoltHead | why not use game time to limit the bullet's travel? |
| 07:11.01 | Clord | SCII beta rather lol |
| 07:11.56 | casperb | meh nitpicky :p |
| 07:11.59 | casperb | HoN any good? |
| 07:12.56 | Wakkar | No one know how to see ancients mIRC archives ? |
| 07:12.57 | Wakkar | Please :( |
| 07:14.34 | heysparky | hey, so when I place this object I created in the editor, it's very difficult to select and move, I have to place something that I can select and move beside it or I have to delete and re-place... is there a setting or something that I've not got set right? |
| 07:14.52 | Wakkar | Use the space to select and move |
| 07:15.01 | casperb | Doodads i presume? |
| 07:15.02 | Wakkar | You hit space and a cursor will appear |
| 07:15.07 | Wakkar | use it |
| 07:15.23 | Helral|work | prolly the unit radius or something like that isn't set correctly. |
| 07:15.53 | heysparky | doodad model, but a unit data |
| 07:16.07 | casperb | Doodad have weird selectors tho |
| 07:16.46 | casperb | Basically, just try until you get it |
| 07:16.50 | casperb | no better way o.o |
| 07:17.00 | casperb | we don't have a scene explorer do we? |
| 07:17.19 | casperb | would be a nice tool, searchable sortable etc |
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| 07:21.18 | BoltHead | lol I love the wording used to remove the timer... |
| 07:21.22 | BoltHead | "Destroy the timer window" |
| 07:21.36 | casperb | hm yeah? |
| 07:22.10 | casperb | Fail to see the humor in that? o.O |
| 07:22.26 | gwho | gotta pay for a new one |
| 07:22.47 | Helral|work | They're missing an action. |
| 07:23.18 | Helral|work | "Clean up the mess left behind by the Destroyed Timer Window" |
| 07:24.31 | Clord | it is like real british focused humor.. it escapes me |
| 07:24.33 | Clord | XD |
| 07:25.37 | Clord | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:25.50 | Clord | not at least great stuff |
| 07:26.58 | BoltHead | ha ha nice Helral =) |
| 07:28.10 | Helral|work | and I actually thought that the blizzard programmers would have named it "Annihilate the timer window" .... or maybe they did and someone who was watching the process changed it to Destroy..... |
| 07:29.05 | casperb | nuke the timer window |
| 07:29.12 | casperb | natrual name ^^ |
| 07:29.31 | Helral|work | then I would have expected the nuke animation to happen at the timer window. |
| 07:29.59 | Sixen | Back! |
| 07:30.06 | `3ICE | Front! |
| 07:30.07 | Helral|work | hides |
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| 07:30.36 | Helral|work | ow it's just Sixen.... |
| 07:30.40 | Helral|work | don't scare me like that... |
| 07:31.04 | BoltHead | hey Sixen |
| 07:31.17 | Sixen | hai helral and bolt |
| 07:31.20 | Sixen | and ice :p |
| 07:31.22 | Helral|work | yo |
| 07:32.03 | Helral|work | wonders how 3ice feels about being called ice... |
| 07:32.21 | `3ICE | glad |
| 07:33.01 | Helral|work | and here I thought you always kept hammering on the fact that your nick was 3ice and not ice.... :( |
| 07:33.27 | `3ICE | nah that happens when they call me bice lice mice eice etc |
| 07:33.45 | `3ICE | that 3 is a three |
| 07:33.45 | Helral|work | rice? |
| 07:33.47 | Clord | well you know what that "3" looks like |
| 07:33.49 | Clord | XD |
| 07:33.49 | `3ICE | yes rice too |
| 07:34.01 | Clord | it makes me immediately read your nick wrong |
| 07:34.03 | Clord | :) |
| 07:34.08 | Helral|work | Eice? |
| 07:34.15 | Helral|work | ow you already had that one |
| 07:34.24 | Clord | makes me think E and R |
| 07:34.28 | Helral|work | reading is an art... I still don't have it mastered. |
| 07:34.29 | Clord | =) |
| 07:36.08 | Helral|work | it does look like Rice doesn't it? |
| 07:36.18 | Helral|work | or is it more like Bice... |
| 07:36.33 | `3ICE | or Three ice |
| 07:36.46 | Helral|work | Th.Rice ;p *grins* |
| 07:37.01 | BoltHead | learning required skills to make a decent map is quite a chore |
| 07:37.14 | Helral|work | it is? |
| 07:37.20 | BoltHead | kinda... |
| 07:37.22 | Helral|work | ow wait it depends on the person... |
| 07:37.28 | BoltHead | ha ha |
| 07:37.57 | Sixen | Thrice. |
| 07:38.02 | `3ICE | perfect |
| 07:38.06 | Sixen | :) |
| 07:38.25 | BoltHead | well i'm refering to learning how to use the data editor and what the triggers are and familerizing yourself with them |
| 07:38.25 | Helral|work | my mindset is attuned to programming/map making. so if I need something I find out how to do it in 3 ways within the minute orso.... but usually only 1 or 2 of those ways work. so I'll need to check which one it is ;p |
| 07:38.30 | onetwo | gender reassignment surgery |
| 07:38.33 | BoltHead | oh and terraining too ha ha |
| 07:38.48 | Helral|work | has a RDG for a reason. |
| 07:39.51 | BoltHead | I like how you so boldly claim that you can figure anything out in a minute or so |
| 07:40.04 | Helral|work | well for what I want to create it is true most of the time. |
| 07:40.25 | BoltHead | its total bull shit, you still have to familerize yourself with the tools avalable |
| 07:40.49 | Helral|work | hehehe I sometimes do hit the wall that I assumed something would be available while it aint. |
| 07:40.52 | onetwo | i just steal from bifuu |
| 07:40.55 | onetwo | then i know everything |
| 07:41.18 | Helral|work | things which I could not figure out within 1 minute: Hero's. used the tutorial for that. |
| 07:41.53 | BoltHead | but if you had never used an editor similer to Galaxy it would take a while to figure things out. |
| 07:41.58 | Helral|work | true |
| 07:42.22 | BoltHead | I spent more than a couple minutes just trying to find what is used to modify the units. |
| 07:42.22 | Helral|work | but I've used the SC editor & the Wc3 editor. |
| 07:42.39 | BoltHead | lol |
| 07:43.17 | BoltHead | Wc3 editor helps alot. I wonder if profecency in SC1 editor is a handycap or a benifit |
| 07:43.37 | BoltHead | I was rather amazing with SC1 editor ha ha *puffs chest* |
| 07:44.03 | gwho | nice rack |
| 07:44.15 | BoltHead | thanks =) |
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| 07:44.38 | gwho | sexiest manboobs i ever seen |
| 07:44.56 | gwho | they're not the kind that are manufactured with steroids |
| 07:44.57 | gwho | either |
| 07:45.00 | BoltHead | are you calling me a man? |
| 07:45.13 | gwho | not fake |
| 07:45.14 | gwho | yeah |
| 07:45.15 | gwho | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:45.29 | gwho | btw, +onetwo |
| 07:45.33 | Sixen | Bolt IS a man. |
| 07:45.42 | BoltHead | lol women don't exist here.. and i doubt they emote "puffs chest" |
| 07:45.43 | Sixen | Big Man. |
| 07:45.46 | Sixen | lol |
| 07:45.57 | gwho | u know the thing where we checked if player status was playing? |
| 07:45.58 | Helral|work | pokes heysparky |
| 07:45.59 | heysparky | AHEM |
| 07:46.02 | BoltHead | are you saying I'm fat? gosh is it pick on Bolt day? |
| 07:46.07 | Helral|work | lol |
| 07:46.10 | rrowland | puffs breast |
| 07:46.15 | gwho | i applied that to the playergroup variable itself, way back in the beginning |
| 07:46.34 | gwho | btw, +onetwo u know the thing where we checked if player status was playing? i applied that to the playergroup variable itself, way back in the beginning |
| 07:46.36 | gwho | all in one spot |
| 07:46.40 | heysparky | Bolt, you're correct on half of your last statement. |
| 07:46.40 | gwho | above |
| 07:46.48 | Helral|work | I think you should BoltHead in his place sparky. |
| 07:46.52 | BoltHead | are you female i take it? |
| 07:47.00 | heysparky | Indeed |
| 07:47.03 | heysparky | Token |
| 07:47.17 | gwho | half right? |
| 07:47.20 | gwho | so ur shemale? |
| 07:47.23 | BoltHead | I thought that might of been your reasoning for speaking up at that moment =) |
| 07:47.30 | BoltHead | *eats words* |
| 07:47.43 | BoltHead | No she just doesn't emote "puffs chest" |
| 07:48.00 | heysparky | yes, I do not |
| 07:48.09 | heysparky | nor, rrowland's verision either :P |
| 07:48.15 | gwho | lol |
| 07:49.16 | onetwo | gwho |
| 07:49.16 | BoltHead | experiment.... |
| 07:49.18 | onetwo | type onetwo not +onetwo |
| 07:49.20 | BoltHead | A/S/L |
| 07:49.21 | onetwo | +onetwo doesnt ping me |
| 07:49.31 | gwho | if shemale is the guy version, is does that mean He-Man actually a girl |
| 07:49.36 | gwho | oic |
| 07:50.02 | gwho | but i'll show u another time |
| 07:50.05 | gwho | got class at 8 tomorrow |
| 07:50.06 | onetwo | k |
| 07:50.08 | onetwo | oh |
| 07:50.12 | heysparky | yikes |
| 07:50.13 | gwho | ;) |
| 07:50.15 | BoltHead | Conclusion: this chat is differant |
| 07:50.17 | onetwo | i dont work or take any classes before 11 anymore |
| 07:50.23 | onetwo | im on a permanent late night schedule |
| 07:50.24 | Helral|work | meows |
| 07:50.33 | gwho | thats one way to go about it |
| 07:50.40 | BoltHead | Raise your hand if your are older than 18 |
| 07:50.43 | gwho | i've been trying to wind back my waking time from 12 to 8 |
| 07:50.45 | gwho | hasn't been working lol |
| 07:50.46 | ProzaicMuze | raises hand |
| 07:50.48 | Helral|work | raises paw |
| 07:51.16 | heysparky | here |
| 07:51.17 | gwho | anyone watch the show "Community?" |
| 07:51.18 | BoltHead | lmao how do you emote lol |
| 07:51.25 | Helral|work | blaat |
| 07:51.26 | ProzaicMuze | wtf. . . put that nasty claw away! |
| 07:51.28 | Helral|work | roflol |
| 07:51.31 | Helral|work | . /me blaat |
| 07:51.31 | ProzaicMuze | ./me |
| 07:51.33 | BoltHead | *raises hand to high five |
| 07:51.44 | ProzaicMuze | I did until it stopped for the summer or whatever |
| 07:51.52 | gwho | bart simpson high fours |
| 07:51.52 | BoltHead | ./me is happy |
| 07:51.57 | BoltHead | ohh lol |
| 07:51.59 | Helral|work | swipes "nasty claw" at PM. |
| 07:52.00 | BoltHead | duh |
| 07:52.07 | BoltHead | is retarded some times |
| 07:52.09 | gwho | what client r u guys using? |
| 07:52.14 | gwho | i don't see any emotes, just text |
| 07:52.19 | BoltHead | browser =) |
| 07:52.24 | gwho | the link from the forum? |
| 07:52.25 | heysparky | trillian's IRC plugin |
| 07:52.26 | Helral|work | mIRC. |
| 07:52.29 | gwho | ah |
| 07:52.42 | Wakkar | Someone think he can fix any problem ? |
| 07:52.45 | heysparky | not terribly featur-i-fic |
| 07:52.45 | gwho | i used to use mibbit, so freenodee scrweed me there |
| 07:52.53 | BoltHead | What is your problem wakkar? |
| 07:53.05 | gwho | yeah, what a douche |
| 07:53.08 | gwho | whats ur problem |
| 07:53.14 | Wakkar | Let me explain, wait a few seconds |
| 07:53.40 | heysparky | standing by |
| 07:53.40 | heysparky | your question is important to us |
| 07:53.41 | heysparky | please stay on the line |
| 07:53.48 | BoltHead | sits on edge of seat |
| 07:54.02 | Helral|work | pushes BoltHead so the seat topples over. |
| 07:54.31 | Wakkar | I'm actually making a 3rd person view game (maybe in multiplayer). So here we have a little Marine which have a GREAT Rifle (About 45 damage). The only problem is that the game crashes when he shoots an enemy. |
| 07:54.33 | gwho | *Bolthead doesn't fall over b/c he was actually doing the air squat |
| 07:54.36 | BoltHead | feels the hate while while laying on the floor |
| 07:54.59 | onetwo | fyi Wakkar isnt en |
| 07:55.01 | heysparky | any errors Wakkar? |
| 07:55.04 | onetwo | and yeah |
| 07:55.06 | onetwo | any errors? |
| 07:55.10 | Wakkar | Nope. |
| 07:55.11 | onetwo | or just crash |
| 07:55.13 | onetwo | ugh |
| 07:55.14 | BoltHead | missing model problolly |
| 07:55.18 | onetwo | Wakkar |
| 07:55.21 | onetwo | change the Marine |
| 07:55.22 | onetwo | 's |
| 07:55.23 | onetwo | weapon |
| 07:55.29 | onetwo | to something else |
| 07:55.30 | onetwo | random |
| 07:55.37 | onetwo | just to test |
| 07:55.41 | onetwo | that its not the marine |
| 07:56.06 | BoltHead | that reminds me of when I made the builder with the Crash Game button lol |
| 07:56.09 | Wakkar | He's not using his weapon. The ennemy suffer an effect when I click. |
| 07:56.35 | BoltHead | try to change the effect then? |
| 07:56.46 | heysparky | I know what you mean about learning the ditor Bolt, but I've been rather enjoying it... mostly because of SC2mapster |
| 07:56.57 | Wakkar | That's the point. I'm working on it for 3 hours |
| 07:56.58 | onetwo | and cookies? |
| 07:57.03 | Wakkar | And can't fix it. |
| 07:57.09 | rrowland | 3 hours is nothing |
| 07:57.10 | Repo | New map: http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/escape/. Escape. NullPointerException (Manager/Author). Experimental. Approved by sixen. |
| 07:57.15 | Repo | New map: http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/shrine-defense/. Shrine Defense. Tekkion (Manager/Author). Approved by sixen. |
| 07:57.16 | onetwo | Wakkar, slowly remove things you did |
| 07:57.19 | onetwo | and see if it works |
| 07:57.25 | onetwo | e.g. apply a different effect |
| 07:57.27 | onetwo | a normal one |
| 07:57.30 | BoltHead | Yes I've enjoyed it quite a bit too. I get frusterated when I feel something should be easy and I can't figure out how it should be done however |
| 07:57.30 | onetwo | like Gauss Rifle Damage |
| 07:57.49 | onetwo | well im actually surprised how many people came from staredit and never used war3 editor |
| 07:57.53 | onetwo | and struggle terribly |
| 07:57.55 | onetwo | in sc2 editor |
| 07:57.58 | onetwo | cause coming from war3 |
| 07:57.59 | onetwo | its so easy |
| 07:58.14 | onetwo | and itll take a while for people to realize the power they have |
| 07:58.14 | Wakkar | I did everything I could and that's just when i changed Ghost - sniper to Marine - Gauss Rifle that it crash |
| 07:58.18 | onetwo | with new triggers and data editor |
| 07:58.23 | Wakkar | in the effect triggers |
| 07:58.24 | BoltHead | Yes I'm one that came from SC1 |
| 07:58.39 | onetwo | sc1 editor was so different |
| 07:58.39 | BoltHead | I used war3 editor VERY breifly, never made a map |
| 07:58.40 | onetwo | its amazing |
| 07:58.51 | Wakkar | Would you like to see the script ? |
| 07:58.54 | heysparky | same, Bolt... without staredit experience |
| 07:58.59 | onetwo | sure, Wakkar use pastebin.com |
| 07:59.03 | Wakkar | wait. |
| 07:59.05 | onetwo | copy your triggers as text |
| 07:59.08 | onetwo | then paste it into that website |
| 07:59.10 | onetwo | and send us the link |
| 07:59.21 | Wakkar | here you are |
| 07:59.21 | Wakkar | http://www.wikiupload.com/zpPcvVrw |
| 07:59.25 | Wakkar | oh |
| 07:59.25 | Wakkar | sorry |
| 07:59.29 | Wakkar | it's the map, not the triggers |
| 07:59.29 | BoltHead | I knew StarEdit better than the back of my hand lol |
| 07:59.31 | onetwo | i dont want to close my map |
| 07:59.31 | onetwo | atm |
| 07:59.32 | onetwo | oh |
| 07:59.33 | Wakkar | i will use your website |
| 07:59.33 | onetwo | darn |
| 07:59.42 | onetwo | dont bother i thought it was a trigger thing |
| 07:59.44 | heysparky | couldn't link |
| 08:00.04 | onetwo | ah fine ill take a break from my map |
| 08:00.06 | onetwo | downloading |
| 08:00.08 | Wakkar | ok |
| 08:00.10 | Wakkar | gl |
| 08:00.22 | BoltHead | Sixen can vouch for me on that =) |
| 08:00.37 | onetwo | haha fuck |
| 08:00.42 | onetwo | its non englishUS |
| 08:00.45 | onetwo | all blank names for me |
| 08:01.11 | BoltHead | ... denied |
| 08:01.20 | gwho | gnite everyone |
| 08:01.21 | heysparky | do you have localizer onetwo? |
| 08:01.36 | BoltHead | gnight gwho |
| 08:01.40 | heysparky | gnight gwho |
| 08:01.44 | gwho | byebye =] |
| 08:01.44 | Helral|work | night |
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| 08:02.48 | Sixen | yeah |
| 08:02.59 | BoltHead | back from the dead muhahaha |
| 08:03.05 | onetwo | lol Wakkar |
| 08:03.07 | onetwo | your map is wild |
| 08:03.08 | Sixen | :P |
| 08:03.10 | onetwo | i couldnt quit |
| 08:03.12 | Sixen | Bolt, it's been a while... |
| 08:03.16 | onetwo | cause the mouse was hidden |
| 08:03.18 | Sixen | Barrin posted an intro thread shortly after you did |
| 08:03.22 | onetwo | nothing crashed for me |
| 08:03.26 | BoltHead | oh I missed it |
| 08:03.34 | Sixen | hehe yeah. Barrin.. and... MilleniumArmy |
| 08:03.42 | BoltHead | MilliniumArmy hasn't come in here that i've seen |
| 08:03.45 | Wakkar | I'm back |
| 08:03.50 | Wakkar | What ? nothing crashed ? o_o |
| 08:03.50 | Wakkar | wait |
| 08:03.57 | onetwo | nope |
| 08:04.00 | onetwo | i walked around |
| 08:04.03 | onetwo | aimed at the other marine |
| 08:04.04 | onetwo | shot him |
| 08:04.07 | onetwo | nothign happened |
| 08:04.08 | Sixen | He posted on the forums |
| 08:04.12 | Wakkar | there are zerglings |
| 08:04.14 | Wakkar | search for them |
| 08:04.16 | onetwo | oh |
| 08:04.18 | Wakkar | marine is your ally xD |
| 08:04.24 | onetwo | Wakkar |
| 08:04.27 | onetwo | this is an insane project |
| 08:04.28 | onetwo | haha |
| 08:04.30 | Wakkar | x-)) |
| 08:04.31 | Wakkar | i know |
| 08:04.32 | onetwo | even i wouldn't do something this nuts |
| 08:04.34 | Wakkar | i AM insae |
| 08:04.36 | BoltHead | I'll take a gander i suppose |
| 08:04.37 | onetwo | I KNOW |
| 08:04.38 | Sixen | what am I missing? |
| 08:04.46 | onetwo | wakkar is having a bug |
| 08:04.47 | onetwo | in his map |
| 08:04.51 | onetwo | i cant figure it out anyway |
| 08:04.55 | onetwo | because the localization |
| 08:04.58 | onetwo | :( |
| 08:05.02 | Wakkar | use a localization tool ? |
| 08:05.08 | Sixen | lol |
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| 08:05.31 | Wakkar | the sc2mapster localization tool works, no ? |
| 08:05.36 | Wakkar | and hi Sixen |
| 08:05.48 | onetwo | i dont think its an error with your data |
| 08:05.51 | onetwo | i think its trigger? |
| 08:05.53 | onetwo | or did triggers work |
| 08:05.56 | onetwo | with a different effect |
| 08:05.58 | Wakkar | i'm certain it's trigger |
| 08:06.00 | Wakkar | yes |
| 08:06.03 | Wakkar | with Ghost- sniper it works |
| 08:06.06 | BoltHead | why is it when I click on a thread in the forums the screen is at the bottom of the page? |
| 08:06.11 | Sixen | hai wakkar. |
| 08:06.14 | ProzaicMuze | rrowland, got a question. how many players will be in your game at once? |
| 08:06.15 | onetwo | i know that bugs me too |
| 08:06.15 | onetwo | lol |
| 08:06.26 | Sixen | =| |
| 08:06.27 | onetwo | wait, Wakkar are you certain its with triggers |
| 08:06.29 | ProzaicMuze | gotta test multi shot |
| 08:06.30 | onetwo | or certain it's with data |
| 08:06.39 | Wakkar | Hmhmhm |
| 08:06.40 | Sixen | :p |
| 08:07.01 | Wakkar | Heads or tails... |
| 08:07.01 | Wakkar | Data |
| 08:07.43 | BoltHead | the (U) Remake idea humors me |
| 08:07.51 | Wakkar | Awesome Project, no ? Imagine in Multiplayer x_x |
| 08:08.07 | onetwo | good news Wakkar |
| 08:08.17 | onetwo | I removed the Rifle's actor |
| 08:08.21 | onetwo | associated with the effect |
| 08:08.24 | onetwo | and it worked fine |
| 08:08.31 | onetwo | just no visual shooting bullets of course |
| 08:08.33 | Wakkar | GREAT NEWWS, EVERYONE ! |
| 08:08.34 | onetwo | so i would remake the weapons actor |
| 08:08.35 | onetwo | if i were you |
| 08:08.36 | Wakkar | ah. |
| 08:08.40 | onetwo | you made something wrong in it |
| 08:08.46 | onetwo | or copy paste the gauss-rifles actor |
| 08:08.52 | onetwo | and then set it to your weapon |
| 08:08.54 | onetwo | effect |
| 08:08.55 | Wakkar | can you upload and send me the new file ? |
| 08:09.02 | Wakkar | thanks a lot |
| 08:09.04 | onetwo | it might be bugged though |
| 08:09.10 | ProzaicMuze | don't dooo eeet! It's a rick roll! |
| 08:09.14 | onetwo | Wakkar |
| 08:09.16 | Wakkar | well gonna try |
| 08:09.18 | onetwo | you can easily change what i did |
| 08:09.21 | Wakkar | Okay |
| 08:09.22 | onetwo | just go to your effect |
| 08:09.28 | onetwo | itll have an actor in its tree |
| 08:09.30 | onetwo | in data editor |
| 08:09.33 | Sixen | lol Bolt |
| 08:09.57 | onetwo | actually |
| 08:09.59 | onetwo | Wakkar go to Actors |
| 08:10.07 | onetwo | set it to only fpr teee.sc2map |
| 08:10.08 | onetwo | ones |
| 08:10.09 | onetwo | for* |
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| 08:10.19 | onetwo | if you see yours there |
| 08:10.22 | onetwo | click on it |
| 08:10.29 | BoltHead | I think I would have to join out of principle Sixen |
| 08:10.30 | onetwo | and then change its Attack Effect field at the top |
| 08:10.33 | onetwo | to be None |
| 08:10.48 | onetwo | aka we unlinked the actor to the effect |
| 08:10.54 | onetwo | and suddenly it works.. meaning an actor problem |
| 08:10.58 | Sixen | Of course |
| 08:11.08 | Wakkar | Ok |
| 08:11.13 | Wakkar | Looking for that. Wait. |
| 08:11.14 | Helral|work | 12 I just saw your post in the general forums section.... |
| 08:11.17 | Helral|work | you forgot me :( |
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| 08:11.36 | BoltHead | I keep looking at the name "Kamakaze" over there and think... how weird it would be if he was (U)Kamikaze |
| 08:11.46 | onetwo | Helral |
| 08:11.51 | onetwo | when i catch something embarassing |
| 08:11.52 | onetwo | about you |
| 08:11.52 | Sixen | I won't lie, that'd be nuts |
| 08:11.53 | onetwo | itll be there |
| 08:11.54 | Helral|work | for the rest: http://forums.sc2mapster.com/general/general-chat/3904-the-people-of-sc2mapster-irc/ <-- read it ;) |
| 08:12.02 | Sixen | I remember randomly Kami logged for a few minutes, then loggd out. didn't say a word |
| 08:12.03 | BoltHead | And Helral's name reminds me of Heimdal |
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| 08:12.05 | Sixen | I was like... "The hell..? |
| 08:12.25 | onetwo | that list isnt set in stone yet helral |
| 08:12.26 | onetwo | haha |
| 08:12.33 | Helral|work | :D |
| 08:12.38 | BoltHead | Yeah them canadians... |
| 08:12.43 | Helral|work | feels like meowing |
| 08:12.45 | Helral|work | meows |
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| 08:13.35 | Helral|work | btw I do have to agree with sparky... |
| 08:13.39 | BoltHead | also every time MikeLat comes here i've never seen him chat lol |
| 08:13.47 | Sixen | Yeah, he usually just sits. |
| 08:13.49 | Sixen | He talks though :P |
| 08:13.50 | Sixen | ~seen |
| 08:13.52 | Wakkar | Thanks for the help onetwo |
| 08:13.56 | Sixen | ~seen mikelat |
| 08:13.58 | purl | mikelat <~mikelat@CPE000f3d5d72d5-CM000f9f776f28.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #sc2mapster, 11d 18h 18m 3s ago, saying: 'but its not worth looking into right now, dont have the map onme'. |
| 08:14.05 | ProzaicMuze | if you actually look at the list, the MAJORITY of them don't talk |
| 08:14.07 | Sixen | Guess he hasn't talked in two weeks |
| 08:14.15 | BoltHead | see!!!! |
| 08:14.16 | Helral|work | doesn't talk. He types. |
| 08:14.18 | BoltHead | lmao |
| 08:14.19 | Sixen | :P |
| 08:14.53 | Helral|work | is like Celty from Durarara!!. Typing what he wants to say. |
| 08:15.18 | Wakkar | But well, onetwo, i'd like to have the sound of the gun when I shoot |
| 08:15.44 | BoltHead | Mmmm I keep getting to the point where I feel like a map is starting to get somewhere and loose modivation to work on it lol |
| 08:16.50 | BoltHead | Everything inovative I think of has already been done it seems or I feel like I need more experiance before tackleing |
| 08:16.53 | Wakkar | Ok onetwo i cheated |
| 08:16.58 | Wakkar | Using play sound in triggers |
| 08:16.59 | Wakkar | marine attack |
| 08:17.01 | Wakkar | :) |
| 08:17.09 | BoltHead | Ohh yeah... thats what I was going to do |
| 08:17.18 | BoltHead | uhh sounds... |
| 08:17.27 | Sixen | Bolt, let's make Level Up Bound |
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| 08:18.00 | BoltHead | I've found it kind of amusing that there are not bounds that i've seen |
| 08:18.23 | BoltHead | I was thinking of making DialogBox Pong |
| 08:18.40 | BoltHead | cause that would be freaking hillarious |
| 08:18.49 | Sixen | lmao |
| 08:19.21 | BoltHead | I thinking making pure dialog box maps would be really entertaining in a lame kinda way |
| 08:19.22 | Clord | I love and hate dialog boxes |
| 08:19.27 | Clord | when I started to make shop system |
| 08:19.31 | ProzaicMuze | i hate missile speeds :( |
| 08:19.46 | Clord | inside dialog.. there is card dialogs in shop screen |
| 08:19.50 | ProzaicMuze | I at least understood why things didn't work with previous walls I've run into, but this one just doesn't make sense at all :( |
| 08:19.51 | Clord | then everything need to be coordinated right |
| 08:19.52 | Clord | fun ^^ |
| 08:20.01 | BoltHead | actually better idea... would be Dialog box FallDown |
| 08:20.06 | Sixen | pfft |
| 08:20.14 | BoltHead | not quite as retro tho |
| 08:20.22 | onetwo | lol |
| 08:20.49 | Helral|work | BoltHead: go for Dialog - Tetris |
| 08:21.01 | onetwo | in general - keep it simple |
| 08:21.05 | BoltHead | I made most of a Tetris map for SC1 |
| 08:21.10 | Helral|work | ^^ |
| 08:21.13 | onetwo | when i made Infection, i spent a week on it to get it ready for Bnet |
| 08:21.21 | onetwo | then 2 weeks of fixing bugs |
| 08:21.23 | onetwo | and updating |
| 08:21.23 | BoltHead | and Space Invaders lol |
| 08:21.25 | Wakkar | You made Infection ? o_o |
| 08:21.27 | onetwo | after playing on bnet |
| 08:21.29 | onetwo | yes |
| 08:21.31 | Wakkar | lol |
| 08:21.34 | Wakkar | i played this map :D |
| 08:21.38 | Wakkar | ah no sorry |
| 08:21.41 | Wakkar | it was Infestation >< |
| 08:21.54 | onetwo | well you guys get different maps anyway |
| 08:21.59 | onetwo | my map would be all wrong on EU |
| 08:22.01 | onetwo | the text |
| 08:22.01 | onetwo | haha |
| 08:22.09 | Wakkar | yes that's bad, when blizzard will fix that ? |
| 08:22.11 | Wakkar | never ? |
| 08:22.18 | Sixen | Space Invaders would be fun |
| 08:22.40 | Helral|work | Space invadors with all flying units to blast away O.o |
| 08:22.56 | BoltHead | try doing that kind of crap in SC1 where multiplying numbers is even difficult lol |
| 08:23.00 | Helral|work | and a zergling runnin in the back from time to time for extra points.... roflol |
| 08:23.10 | Sixen | ;p |
| 08:23.46 | Sixen | I remember back in the day, Bolt, when people were finding out all these crazy new things, like changing unit wireframes via HP |
| 08:23.56 | Sixen | And I remember when people fixed out how to cloack uncloackable units |
| 08:24.01 | Sixen | they were like, "WOW, YOU'RE PRO MAP MAKER!" |
| 08:24.23 | onetwo | i find it interesting how you can have buffs like auras with 0.1s periods running |
| 08:24.30 | onetwo | but go ahead and make a trigger that runs every 0.1s |
| 08:24.32 | onetwo | game lags to death |
| 08:24.32 | onetwo | lol |
| 08:24.33 | BoltHead | I remember making a webpage that had instructions on how to cloke units and people got pissed at me |
| 08:24.38 | BoltHead | because it was removing their edge |
| 08:24.57 | onetwo | lol |
| 08:24.59 | Helral|work | btw I made a tutorial in reply of some persons trigger version with a data version. The end result of this: he removed all comments to his movie and replaced the comments of his movie by linking to my movie at youtube. *roflol* I was like wth? where did all the comment at his movie go to.... |
| 08:25.09 | Sixen | lol |
| 08:25.13 | onetwo | oh and you guys were saying a lot of the people on my list dont talk |
| 08:25.14 | onetwo | they used to |
| 08:25.17 | onetwo | reactorex used to talk every day |
| 08:25.20 | onetwo | helped me test maps etc |
| 08:25.23 | onetwo | people come and go |
| 08:25.25 | onetwo | same as a clan |
| 08:25.26 | onetwo | :D |
| 08:25.38 | Helral|work | some people will be here till the end of times... |
| 08:25.40 | Sixen | Whatever happened to him? |
| 08:25.42 | monop | so how come on mac it is "unable to load map" vs windows is fine... |
| 08:25.51 | monop | looks like osx support is shotty at best |
| 08:25.53 | onetwo | i think reactorex uses bnet to login |
| 08:25.57 | Sixen | Motive is the one to talk to about that =| |
| 08:25.57 | onetwo | so he wont be back till phase 2 |
| 08:25.58 | onetwo | :D |
| 08:26.06 | Sixen | lol |
| 08:26.12 | onetwo | lol Helral |
| 08:26.13 | Sixen | Once Phase 2 goes up, it'll liven up |
| 08:26.17 | onetwo | nice tutorial thing |
| 08:26.21 | Sixen | And I think when it goes live, this place will get even bigger |
| 08:26.23 | Helral|work | hehehe ;p |
| 08:26.31 | onetwo | yeah |
| 08:26.39 | onetwo | were the pioneers right now if you think about it |
| 08:26.44 | onetwo | were the people who will go on to make "dotas" |
| 08:26.46 | onetwo | except of sc2 world |
| 08:26.55 | monop | for sc map makers yeh |
| 08:26.55 | onetwo | be way ahead |
| 08:27.02 | monop | its beta and ur already pumping out maps |
| 08:27.05 | monop | duhh ;p |
| 08:28.00 | BoltHead | i totally don't know what dota is... must of been a war3 thing |
| 08:28.08 | Sixen | :) |
| 08:28.09 | onetwo | e.g. go back to war3 beta, try and find a tutorial on doing a hero save load system |
| 08:28.11 | onetwo | GOOD LUCK |
| 08:28.15 | Sixen | Yeah Bolt, DotA is a HUGE War3 map. |
| 08:28.16 | monop | defense of the asians |
| 08:28.19 | monop | err ancients ;p |
| 08:28.22 | onetwo | well bolt |
| 08:28.22 | Sixen | lol |
| 08:28.27 | onetwo | it ruined war 3 custom maps in my opinion |
| 08:28.31 | onetwo | used to be fun ones to try all the time |
| 08:28.32 | onetwo | on the game list |
| 08:28.36 | onetwo | then dota grew and grew |
| 08:28.36 | BoltHead | well there is always that ... |
| 08:28.38 | onetwo | and then every custom game |
| 08:28.39 | onetwo | was DOTA |
| 08:28.40 | onetwo | DOTA |
| 08:28.41 | onetwo | DOTA |
| 08:28.41 | BoltHead | like Bounds in SC1 lol |
| 08:28.48 | Sixen | :P |
| 08:28.53 | Sixen | Bounds were so awesome |
| 08:28.59 | monop | onetwo: there were maps like enfos |
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| 08:29.02 | monop | that was ok and popular |
| 08:29.02 | BoltHead | yeah but people loved to hate them |
| 08:29.36 | BoltHead | I remember who created the first bound |
| 08:29.47 | Sixen | Heaven Bound? |
| 08:29.50 | BoltHead | his ign was KcKkryptonite |
| 08:29.55 | BoltHead | no |
| 08:29.59 | Sixen | interesting |
| 08:30.00 | onetwo | and i have no problem with that, but i didnt care for dota, i liked enfos, skibis, zoator Td, line tower wars, darkness falls or w/e, sheep tag, random save/load RPGs, arena maps, family guy Maul etc... |
| 08:30.01 | Jcup | rrowland u there? |
| 08:30.02 | Helral|work | Bounds? what kind of maps where that? |
| 08:30.09 | ProzaicMuze | holy crap I think I dun it! |
| 08:30.09 | Sixen | Helral, think of an obstacle course. |
| 08:30.10 | BoltHead | there was only one explosion obstical |
| 08:30.16 | Sixen | hah |
| 08:30.18 | BoltHead | the rest was other random obstical course things |
| 08:30.20 | Helral|work | ahhh |
| 08:30.24 | `3ICE | bounds were like mazes in war3 |
| 08:30.25 | Helral|work | those maps. |
| 08:30.26 | Sixen | Any idea what it was called, Bolty? |
| 08:30.30 | BoltHead | he kinda copied the explosion idea from my map "The Rock" |
| 08:30.54 | BoltHead | I'm drawing a blank |
| 08:31.00 | Helral|work | the ones where you control a zergling over an obstacle course. right? |
| 08:31.08 | BoltHead | I want to say Ice Bound but i'm pretty sure that is wrong |
| 08:31.34 | Sixen | I remember that one :p |
| 08:31.38 | Sixen | With the Dark Archons? |
| 08:31.44 | BoltHead | My first map for SC1 was a map based on the movie "The Rock" it starts out when they go thu the furnice |
| 08:32.00 | BoltHead | and to simulate that I hade a very very simple explosion obstical |
| 08:32.10 | BoltHead | no one had seen it before and they died and recreated it over and over |
| 08:32.42 | BoltHead | yes thats right Helral |
| 08:32.53 | Helral|work | wonder if anyone will recreate this type of map for sc2. |
| 08:33.00 | Sixen | I remember your map too, bolt. |
| 08:33.05 | ProzaicMuze | I haven't tried this yet, but is it possible to have an ability begin autocasting when a unit is created? Something like UnitBirth>Start autocast or some such? |
| 08:33.18 | Helral|work | ProzaicMuze: yes |
| 08:33.30 | BoltHead | Then after I made my minimap picture map people started doing that as well as well as someone making the application to convert an image to terrain to replicate the image lol |
| 08:33.34 | onetwo | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMupsZAPm9I&feature=player_embedded |
| 08:33.35 | onetwo | hahahaha |
| 08:34.00 | Sixen | ;P |
| 08:34.02 | ProzaicMuze | Do I need to do it with triggers or can I do it in the actor events? |
| 08:34.02 | BoltHead | ProzaicMuze look at the Medivac's ability |
| 08:34.09 | BoltHead | cause it is autocast when it is created |
| 08:34.10 | Helral|work | think you can enable autocast to be active when the unit is spawned. (Data Editor) |
| 08:34.11 | ProzaicMuze | oh, duh lmao |
| 08:34.21 | ProzaicMuze | can't believe I didn't think of that Bolt :( |
| 08:34.28 | Helral|work | hehehe |
| 08:34.32 | ProzaicMuze | I should be ashamed. . . I'm s'posed to be a data guru! |
| 08:34.32 | Wakkar | Onetwo i have a new challenge for you ! :D |
| 08:34.39 | onetwo | damn |
| 08:34.41 | onetwo | hides |
| 08:34.51 | BoltHead | lol hey now we all are there at times |
| 08:34.54 | Helral|work | you can even get a Barracks to train marines automatically when it's done building. |
| 08:35.19 | BoltHead | I just went though giving a unit the Medic ability for my map a while ago thats why i knew |
| 08:35.47 | Wakkar | huhu |
| 08:35.51 | Wakkar | You know |
| 08:35.56 | Wakkar | Now you can transform into a Maraudeer |
| 08:36.02 | Wakkar | ROXX WHAT A ROCKET |
| 08:36.03 | Helral|work | drags onetwo by his ear out of hiding. |
| 08:36.12 | Wakkar | Wich didn't launch :d |
| 08:36.17 | Wakkar | Working on it |
| 08:36.21 | BoltHead | laughs at thriller hyrdas |
| 08:36.22 | onetwo | laughs that his fake-ear prop worked |
| 08:36.45 | Helral|work | squeezed the fake ear really hard. didn't feel real. |
| 08:36.54 | onetwo | gets turned on |
| 08:37.08 | BoltHead | So you remember playing "The Rock" Sixen? |
| 08:37.09 | Helral|work | runs away from onetwo. |
| 08:37.19 | Wakkar | cries |
| 08:37.24 | onetwo | performs kobe on Helral |
| 08:37.27 | onetwo | JK JK |
| 08:37.30 | onetwo | rape isnt a joke kids |
| 08:37.30 | Helral|work | dodges |
| 08:37.33 | onetwo | inserts facts |
| 08:37.51 | Wakkar | Jump over a cliff (why ?) |
| 08:38.06 | Helral|work | thinks Wakkar has the Reapers jetpack. |
| 08:38.12 | ProzaicMuze | but counter rape is |
| 08:38.30 | Sixen | Yeah Bolt, it's been a while |
| 08:38.33 | Wakkar | Jump over another cliff (why ?) |
| 08:38.33 | Sixen | But I do, ;). |
| 08:38.45 | Sixen | You're a ling, running around a maze, yeah? It's the dirt terrain |
| 08:38.59 | Sixen | Start off running south iirc |
| 08:39.13 | Helral|work | reads: [10:38] <@Sixen> You're a ling, running around a maze, yeah? It's the dirty terrain |
| 08:39.24 | `3ICE | gotta wonder at the magics of our brain |
| 08:39.27 | Sixen | lol |
| 08:39.45 | Helral|work | wonder how that will look... |
| 08:39.46 | BoltHead | thats not the map |
| 08:39.53 | Sixen | Ho hum? |
| 08:40.01 | Wakkar | Is contaminate ! |
| 08:40.02 | BoltHead | not at all |
| 08:40.09 | `3ICE | whenever I remember random facts from years ago like "start off southwards" in a map i am amazed at the capacity of my brain |
| 08:40.13 | BoltHead | players controled Ghost |
| 08:40.29 | Wakkar | THEYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY WILLLLLLLL NOOOOOOOOOT FOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOORCE USSSSSSSSSSSSSSS |
| 08:40.32 | Wakkar | Utch. |
| 08:40.33 | Wakkar | Sorry. |
| 08:40.58 | onetwo | whenever i remember things i go do a nicolas cage and use them to reveal hidden secrets |
| 08:41.00 | Wakkar | Where is onetwo ! |
| 08:41.00 | onetwo | of my past |
| 08:41.20 | BoltHead | oh yeah well I bet Sixen remembers my House of the Haunted map |
| 08:41.28 | Sixen | Definitely |
| 08:41.31 | onetwo | i bet Sixen remembers my dawn of the dead map |
| 08:41.33 | onetwo | in war3 |
| 08:41.37 | onetwo | JK |
| 08:41.41 | onetwo | never had one |
| 08:41.42 | Sixen | And... someone else, I believe in (U), made Are you scared of the Dark or something |
| 08:42.00 | BoltHead | uhh what was his name... |
| 08:42.04 | rrowland | That gives me an idea for a sadistically awesome map |
| 08:42.09 | Sixen | Was it SWW? |
| 08:42.11 | onetwo | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jitg-3xbmKU 90's childhood shows |
| 08:42.19 | BoltHead | there was one guy that made Are you Scare of the dark 5 or something |
| 08:42.22 | Sixen | Yeah |
| 08:42.25 | BoltHead | it was pretty cool but it was 6megs |
| 08:42.30 | Sixen | But hell, I remember being in (U) made you liek famous. |
| 08:42.40 | Sixen | Everyone was like, "Whoa! You're in (U)!? You're awesome." |
| 08:42.45 | BoltHead | House of the haunted was huge for a SC1 map and it was 666k |
| 08:42.49 | Sixen | lol |
| 08:43.10 | BoltHead | most maps were between 100k and 250k |
| 08:43.21 | BoltHead | at 250 people were like omg stop lagging |
| 08:43.29 | Sixen | :P |
| 08:43.40 | heysparky | what is (U) |
| 08:43.40 | heysparky | also, trillian renders that as a broken heart |
| 08:43.54 | Sixen | (U) was the #1 Mapping Clan for SC1 Maps |
| 08:44.02 | BoltHead | (U) is a SC1 mapmaking clan I founded like 10 years ago |
| 08:44.09 | Sixen | And Bolty was a founder :p |
| 08:44.17 | onetwo | i think its great that http://www.youtube.com/videos Husky's video is on most viewed for today |
| 08:44.17 | heysparky | noice |
| 08:44.21 | onetwo | thats good exposure for sc2 |
| 08:44.26 | onetwo | getting front page youtube |
| 08:44.31 | heysparky | because SC2 needs exposure... |
| 08:44.38 | Sixen | lol |
| 08:44.44 | onetwo | it will |
| 08:44.50 | onetwo | ask my mom and gf what it is |
| 08:44.51 | onetwo | GL |
| 08:44.56 | `3ICE | what u smokin'? |
| 08:44.56 | Sixen | :P |
| 08:44.57 | `3ICE | http://www.youtube.com/videos?s=mp |
| 08:45.02 | onetwo | if we can get it to half of soccer |
| 08:45.04 | onetwo | then sc2 is good to go |
| 08:45.05 | Sixen | OneTwo, you meant your gf, not your moms, right? |
| 08:45.10 | onetwo | soccer is known by 6 billion people i guess |
| 08:45.14 | BoltHead | yeah but look at the other shit that is there |
| 08:45.17 | Wakkar | soccer is known by me. |
| 08:45.19 | `3ICE | no sc2 on that page sir |
| 08:45.40 | heysparky | don't they know what you spend ALL your freaking time doing, onetwo? |
| 08:45.44 | Wakkar | Onetwo, I request your help once again :p you will be granted sure |
| 08:45.47 | `3ICE | oh, found it on http://www.youtube.com/videos?s=pop |
| 08:46.10 | onetwo | haha |
| 08:46.18 | onetwo | im watching eminem video now thanks to you 3ice |
| 08:46.26 | `3ICE | owned |
| 08:46.32 | rrowland | quickly kill yourself |
| 08:46.35 | Wakkar | kneels before onetwo. |
| 08:46.37 | `3ICE | slit |
| 08:47.03 | BoltHead | don't know why this guys crappy gaming setup is there.... |
| 08:47.14 | BoltHead | My settup beats that.... |
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| 08:47.30 | Wakkar | Time for some break. Who wants to play WC III ? |
| 08:47.32 | onetwo | Wakkar I cant do too much |
| 08:47.38 | Wakkar | Oké. |
| 08:47.42 | onetwo | its starting to add up now :/ |
| 08:47.52 | onetwo | cause more people are knowing me |
| 08:47.54 | onetwo | and asking me Q's |
| 08:47.55 | onetwo | lol |
| 08:47.58 | Wakkar | don't worry i know how to do. |
| 08:48.01 | onetwo | and then i have my own map to work on :) |
| 08:48.16 | Wakkar | You are right but morbid. |
| 08:48.19 | onetwo | haha |
| 08:48.25 | onetwo | morbidly obese |
| 08:48.27 | onetwo | yay fam guy jokes |
| 08:48.30 | BoltHead | my desk... http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c399/Bolt986/Geek%20-%20Out/IMAG0035.jpg?t=1277110094 |
| 08:48.56 | onetwo | haha nice |
| 08:49.06 | Wakkar | Your desk |
| 08:49.26 | Wakkar | IS |
| 08:49.30 | onetwo | i like your 3-mouse/2keyboard setup |
| 08:49.34 | onetwo | i go with an 8-mouse 10 keyboard |
| 08:49.37 | onetwo | but thats alright |
| 08:49.37 | Wakkar | xD |
| 08:49.46 | Wakkar | Now show us your face. |
| 08:50.04 | BoltHead | is there a mouse by the keyboard? |
| 08:50.13 | Wakkar | NATURALLY |
| 08:50.36 | Wakkar | salut à tous, comment allez vous en cette belle soirée ? |
| 08:50.45 | onetwo | hi |
| 08:50.48 | onetwo | something something |
| 08:50.57 | Wakkar | You like Google translate too, heh |
| 08:51.00 | onetwo | how does on go something good |
| 08:51.02 | BoltHead | i might be able to manage that.. |
| 08:51.02 | onetwo | soiree |
| 08:51.11 | onetwo | yay for grade 11 french and not remembering |
| 08:51.15 | Wakkar | Now talk me in french using google translate |
| 08:51.23 | Wakkar | Onetwo, tu ne sers à rien ! |
| 08:51.26 | BoltHead | but anyways Synergy is great for using multiple computers with a single keyboard |
| 08:51.53 | Helral|work | thinks we kittens will rule the world. (for more information: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VnIIRBWscMg ) |
| 08:52.07 | Wakkar | eats his hands |
| 08:52.19 | BoltHead | here this is me... http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c399/Bolt986/random/MeAirPort.jpg?t=1277110325 |
| 08:52.24 | BoltHead | since you asked... |
| 08:52.39 | Wakkar | I give you 23 years |
| 08:52.41 | Wakkar | right ? |
| 08:52.50 | Wakkar | maybe a little more |
| 08:52.51 | Wakkar | 27 |
| 08:52.52 | onetwo | bolt do you usually do your mapping in airports? |
| 08:53.03 | BoltHead | that was taken a while ago |
| 08:53.08 | onetwo | yeah sure |
| 08:53.09 | onetwo | i believe you |
| 08:53.13 | Wakkar | O.Ok.Byebye. |
| 08:53.16 | onetwo | mr. up in the air |
| 08:53.20 | BoltHead | I'm 26 now i was 25 then |
| 08:53.27 | onetwo | wait |
| 08:53.32 | onetwo | that would make you 1 year older |
| 08:53.33 | onetwo | than 25 |
| 08:53.34 | onetwo | meaning |
| 08:53.37 | Wakkar | 23/27 -> 25. Roxx o_o |
| 08:53.39 | onetwo | earth is going to die in 2012 |
| 08:53.41 | onetwo | SHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII |
| 08:53.52 | Wakkar | Shit |
| 08:53.58 | Wakkar | then we can't play starcraft II anymore ? |
| 08:53.59 | Helral|work | BoltHead, you old sod |
| 08:54.02 | heysparky | Canadian, eh? |
| 08:54.12 | BoltHead | and now I havn't even tried to put SC2 on my laptop |
| 08:54.14 | BoltHead | i think it would cry |
| 08:54.19 | Helral|work | hehehe |
| 08:54.20 | Wakkar | IF EARTH DIE IN 2012..SHIT |
| 08:54.30 | BoltHead | I'm from Missouri... |
| 08:54.54 | onetwo | im canadian eh aboot beaver beer hockey snow tim hortons igloos you know |
| 08:54.55 | BoltHead | thanks for calling me old Helral, you must me a itty bitty kid |
| 08:55.03 | onetwo | oops my stereotypical traits |
| 08:55.05 | onetwo | spilled out there |
| 08:55.09 | Helral|work | I'm 2 years younger. so Im also an old sod ;p |
| 08:55.21 | heysparky | You're all puppies. |
| 08:55.29 | BoltHead | SC mapmakers has a high percentage of candians |
| 08:55.37 | Wakkar | Oh my God |
| 08:55.38 | Wakkar | BoltHead |
| 08:55.39 | Helral|work | yes compared to some others (think like sparky) we are *grins* |
| 08:56.00 | Wakkar | I did'nt know you were so popular, BoltHead !! -> http://en.tackfilm.se/?id=1277110494197RA64 |
| 08:56.14 | onetwo | takes too long |
| 08:56.15 | onetwo | lol |
| 08:56.40 | Wakkar | look. |
| 08:56.41 | BoltHead | ... what is that? |
| 08:56.48 | Wakkar | LOOK |
| 08:58.18 | Wakkar | Awesome. |
| 08:58.33 | BoltHead | lmao |
| 08:59.40 | heysparky | my maps gonna be good times... oh yeah |
| 09:00.05 | ProzaicMuze | unless it's bad |
| 09:00.33 | BoltHead | lol hey Sixen http://uploads.ungrounded.net/99000/99441_intro.swf |
| 09:01.31 | Sixen | Holy shit |
| 09:02.06 | BoltHead | back in the days when flash-intros was theshit |
| 09:02.07 | Sixen | That's crazy :D |
| 09:02.07 | onetwo | hahahha bolthead |
| 09:02.09 | onetwo | your pic |
| 09:02.13 | onetwo | is enthralling the world |
| 09:02.14 | onetwo | apparently |
| 09:02.20 | BoltHead | yes |
| 09:02.35 | onetwo | lol remember when flash movies were the rage too |
| 09:02.39 | onetwo | those stick-battles |
| 09:02.52 | Sixen | bah brb |
| 09:03.33 | ProzaicMuze | oh ffs, my markers just broke :( |
| 09:06.11 | Wakkar | Oh boy |
| 09:06.16 | Wakkar | Onetwo i fixed that ALONE |
| 09:06.18 | Wakkar | so roxxing |
| 09:06.31 | onetwo | awesome :D |
| 09:07.06 | BoltHead | i wonder if I have the other flash intros the site had... |
| 09:07.10 | BoltHead | on my HD |
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| 09:16.34 | heysparky | later folks |
| 09:16.42 | BoltHead | lol i'm digging though my old site backups |
| 09:16.45 | BoltHead | cya sparky |
| 09:17.03 | *** part/#sc2mapster heysparky (~heysparky@216.40.136.42) |
| 09:18.00 | BoltHead | this was on my page at one point lol http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/6066/bound2.gif |
| 09:19.04 | onetwo | haha youre doing that |
| 09:19.13 | onetwo | meanwhile im looking at justin biebers original youtube videos |
| 09:19.14 | onetwo | pretty funny |
| 09:19.15 | onetwo | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQOFRZ1wNLw |
| 09:19.41 | BoltHead | lmao Sixen i found some other flash things |
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| 09:24.56 | onetwo | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RpMMjz4yQPM im so annoyed by this song |
| 09:24.59 | onetwo | first it was on radio |
| 09:25.02 | onetwo | okay not that good, annoying |
| 09:25.05 | onetwo | then it became Hati song |
| 09:25.06 | onetwo | great |
| 09:25.10 | onetwo | played on radio again |
| 09:25.12 | onetwo | now its FIFA song |
| 09:25.12 | Hati | huh ? |
| 09:25.35 | onetwo | Hati as in country |
| 09:25.38 | onetwo | oops |
| 09:25.40 | onetwo | i spelt it wrong |
| 09:25.42 | Hati | its Haiti |
| 09:25.45 | onetwo | oh yeah right |
| 09:26.00 | onetwo | "k'naan sings with a tremendous amount of passion. he sings from his heart for the unfortunates, and feel their pain as if they were his children" |
| 09:26.02 | onetwo | ah |
| 09:26.03 | onetwo | so annoying |
| 09:28.35 | BoltHead | Sixen first screenshot in this old-old flash intro was from my map... http://www.swfcabin.com/swf-files/1277108447.swf |
| 09:28.38 | Helral|work | meows |
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| 09:29.07 | Wakkar | How to change a unit direction when i place it on the map ? |
| 09:29.31 | casperb | place or create? |
| 09:29.33 | Helral|work | facing? |
| 09:29.42 | casperb | ctrl + click in editor |
| 09:29.50 | casperb | left mouse that is |
| 09:29.51 | Wakkar | thx casperb |
| 09:30.11 | Wakkar | huh don't work |
| 09:30.13 | Wakkar | place it |
| 09:30.21 | ProzaicMuze | FREAKING YES! |
| 09:30.22 | Wakkar | facing yes |
| 09:30.28 | ProzaicMuze | Take that you damned markers! I am yo masteh! |
| 09:31.19 | Helral|work | Wakkar: there should be something like facing angle in the unit property ... I think. (never looked) |
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| 09:44.08 | Wakkar | Ow |
| 09:44.18 | Wakkar | My unit isn't moving anymore |
| 09:44.21 | Wakkar | What's wrong |
| 09:45.24 | ProzaicMuze | it's tired and went to sleep |
| 09:46.29 | Wakkar | Oh, maybe ! |
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| 09:48.49 | Sixen | lol bolthead |
| 09:48.55 | Sixen | I remember that too |
| 09:48.56 | Helral|work | Wakkar: if a unit has a footprint it can't move. if a unit doesn't have a move ability it can't move. |
| 09:49.11 | BoltHead | oh good your back |
| 09:49.29 | BoltHead | do you remember this Sixen http://www.swfcabin.com/swf-files/1277108697.swf our 2004 Goals lol |
| 09:49.44 | Sixen | war3 stuff, iirc |
| 09:50.00 | BoltHead | lol yeah |
| 09:50.03 | Sixen | lmao, I remember this yeah |
| 09:50.14 | BoltHead | like none of that happened |
| 09:50.16 | Sixen | Math and MP were leaders? |
| 09:50.29 | BoltHead | I guess so.... i don't know |
| 09:50.55 | BoltHead | other one I just sent you was made by MindArchon if I recal |
| 09:51.30 | Sixen | ahahahah |
| 09:51.40 | Sixen | I had been playnig War3 with GoldenWind for a while |
| 09:51.42 | Sixen | Then he disappeared |
| 09:51.45 | Sixen | Like 2 years ago |
| 09:51.53 | BoltHead | oh yeah? |
| 09:51.56 | Sixen | mmm |
| 09:52.01 | BoltHead | did you do War3 editing btw? |
| 09:52.43 | Sixen | I never got into War3 Mapping |
| 09:52.53 | Sixen | I played around with the editor, but I was like, "Wow, I like StarEdit better." |
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| 09:53.25 | BoltHead | I remember playing with it then thinking wow this is increadable |
| 09:53.36 | Sixen | I was petrified, it was so complex. |
| 09:53.46 | Sixen | I thought StarEdit was complex at first, after using the War2Edit |
| 09:53.49 | BoltHead | then going on b-net a year later and thinking wow... no one has even touched on what this editor can do |
| 09:54.45 | BoltHead | the good stuff probolly stayed in the mapping community for the most part like it did with SC1 |
| 09:54.50 | ProzaicMuze | hrm, so I have an ability that has "Auto Cast" and "Auto Cast On" checked and nothing happens. I can't even manually start it auto-casting :( |
| 09:55.05 | Sixen | no doubt |
| 09:56.30 | BoltHead | well I need to go to bed so I can sleep in properly tomorrow. (I work sadly) |
| 09:57.46 | Sixen | Ouch :P |
| 09:57.53 | Sixen | I promised my girlfriend i'd take her out... again... |
| 09:58.04 | BoltHead | silly girlfriends |
| 09:58.16 | Sixen | Agreed |
| 09:58.19 | Sixen | Always needing to go "out" |
| 09:58.20 | BoltHead | sadly i'm single again |
| 09:58.32 | BoltHead | Although today (monday) would have been my 4 year... |
| 09:58.32 | Sixen | =[ |
| 09:58.38 | Sixen | Geez, that's crazy |
| 09:59.08 | ProzaicMuze | Just be like me and find girls who don't mind staying in :D |
| 09:59.24 | ProzaicMuze | I host Lan parties all the time and surprisingly several gals come |
| 09:59.30 | BoltHead | yeah she broke up with me because she wanted to go out drinking and drop out of college and that sort of stuff and I don't agree too much with that sort of life-style |
| 09:59.36 | ProzaicMuze | Maybe only 1 is not fat, but that's still 1 non-fat attractive gamer chic :D |
| 09:59.40 | Sixen | pfft |
| 09:59.44 | Sixen | lol prozaic |
| 09:59.48 | Sixen | Bolt, I don't blame you |
| 10:00.07 | ProzaicMuze | and ffs autocast you piece of crap ability! As soon as this ability auto-casts I have piercing bullets! |
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| 10:00.32 | BoltHead | well I'm just glad I didn't propose or get married first ha ha |
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| 10:00.54 | Sixen | very true |
| 10:01.26 | ProzaicMuze | can missiles not use abilities? |
| 10:01.34 | onetwo | i dont think ill ever had kids |
| 10:01.35 | onetwo | tbh |
| 10:01.40 | onetwo | i have too much fun with everything else in life |
| 10:01.44 | onetwo | i wont ever get bored |
| 10:01.51 | Sixen | =| |
| 10:01.55 | onetwo | plus i hate kids |
| 10:01.56 | Sixen | I'll have little Sixen's some day |
| 10:02.07 | BoltHead | lol I would liek the whole 2.5 kids and picket fence shit |
| 10:02.08 | Sixen | "Daddy, have you heard of this old game? It's called StarCraft, these graphics are so retro!" |
| 10:02.16 | Sixen | 2025. |
| 10:02.18 | onetwo | yeah well gl playing though! |
| 10:02.19 | Sixen | "Lawl kids." |
| 10:02.22 | onetwo | taking care of kids all day :( |
| 10:02.34 | Sixen | pfft. "Kids, come watch daddy play this game. it's fun." |
| 10:02.37 | onetwo | meanwhile ill be having aston martins and trips around the world |
| 10:02.41 | Sixen | lol |
| 10:02.42 | onetwo | no kids to pay for |
| 10:02.43 | onetwo | mmm |
| 10:02.48 | onetwo | gaming it up |
| 10:02.50 | onetwo | ah |
| 10:02.53 | BoltHead | *smack kid, repect or perish* |
| 10:02.55 | onetwo | yay for my anti-kid behavior |
| 10:02.55 | onetwo | haha |
| 10:02.59 | ProzaicMuze | watches onetwo die alone |
| 10:03.45 | BoltHead | I wonder when my best buddy and his wife are going to start popping out kidlings |
| 10:03.54 | onetwo | well its true that society in genereal |
| 10:03.56 | onetwo | the developed ones |
| 10:03.58 | onetwo | general* |
| 10:04.00 | onetwo | is capping |
| 10:04.03 | onetwo | like japan |
| 10:04.06 | onetwo | people dont want kids |
| 10:04.08 | onetwo | etc |
| 10:04.10 | onetwo | or jsut have 1 |
| 10:04.30 | ProzaicMuze | gah, so anyone know if you can give missiels abilities? |
| 10:04.37 | onetwo | no idea |
| 10:04.38 | BoltHead | its also true that the increased desire to be independant has lead towards increased depression |
| 10:04.50 | onetwo | :O |
| 10:04.53 | onetwo | im nonstop happiness |
| 10:05.06 | onetwo | i hope our generation is not as greedy as the past though, and we clean up our act |
| 10:05.16 | onetwo | you see like the factories in india where young girls make Gap clothing or w/e |
| 10:05.16 | BoltHead | in general, women especially have a whole new 'i don't need a man' attatude |
| 10:05.23 | onetwo | so we can pay 30$ for a hoody instead of 100$ |
| 10:05.32 | onetwo | our lifestyle is because of their cheap-pay |
| 10:05.38 | onetwo | :( |
| 10:05.39 | ProzaicMuze | which makes women of today much weaker than women of the past. . . because they're broke AND have no man |
| 10:05.54 | BoltHead | lol |
| 10:06.06 | onetwo | you know, one issue i noticed at my univ. |
| 10:06.14 | onetwo | is the women-crowded classes |
| 10:06.16 | onetwo | ive taken |
| 10:06.20 | onetwo | are ones |
| 10:06.20 | BoltHead | a woman can do anything!! except when it is time to mow the lawn... then it's the man's job |
| 10:06.23 | onetwo | like art history |
| 10:06.24 | onetwo | and stuff |
| 10:06.27 | onetwo | that arent going to be useful |
| 10:06.30 | onetwo | for a good paying job |
| 10:06.40 | ProzaicMuze | That's because women are impressed by pretty things |
| 10:06.46 | onetwo | but its too bad its not |
| 10:06.47 | ProzaicMuze | We're impressed by shiny things |
| 10:06.55 | ProzaicMuze | Too bad shiny = valuable |
| 10:07.05 | BoltHead | I am proud of my CS degree =) |
| 10:07.08 | onetwo | im in comp sci department here |
| 10:07.16 | BoltHead | but there were no women in my degree program lol |
| 10:07.17 | onetwo | 90% male |
| 10:07.28 | onetwo | itll change eventually |
| 10:07.32 | BoltHead | I graduated Comp Sci last Dec |
| 10:07.34 | onetwo | but women are just not into computers the same way we are |
| 10:07.35 | onetwo | in this generation |
| 10:07.41 | onetwo | i think in our kids' generation |
| 10:07.42 | onetwo | itll change |
| 10:07.47 | Sixen | :( |
| 10:07.48 | Maul | not likely |
| 10:07.57 | Sixen | I was able to get my girlfriend to play D1 with me. |
| 10:08.07 | Sixen | She came to BlizzCon with me last year, but I think she was bored outta her mind. |
| 10:08.07 | onetwo | the problem (from what ive gathered in my life) is a girl wont want to sit infront of a computer all day doing triggers |
| 10:08.11 | BoltHead | yeah most of us didn't grow up with facebook (i'm taking a major assumption on your ages) |
| 10:08.11 | onetwo | shed rather talk and etc |
| 10:08.12 | Sixen | Though she kept a smile on to keep me happy :p |
| 10:08.17 | onetwo | whereas a guy will do it |
| 10:08.48 | Maul | women arent as technically minded as men |
| 10:08.59 | Maul | and even if some are it generally doesnt interest them |
| 10:09.15 | onetwo | which is a shame imo if its a true fact |
| 10:09.19 | onetwo | and not just society conventions |
| 10:09.24 | onetwo | that push women away from comp sci jobs |
| 10:09.26 | rrowland | All races, sexes, ages and orientations are 100% completely equal |
| 10:09.34 | onetwo | cause i find it attractive to see a technically skilled woman |
| 10:09.34 | onetwo | imo |
| 10:09.36 | BoltHead | But when I was in highschool you didn't admit to spending the whole evening on the internet |
| 10:09.39 | onetwo | but most arent physically attractive |
| 10:09.45 | onetwo | if they are technically skilled |
| 10:09.47 | rrowland | If you disagree you're racist/sexist/agist/a religious persecutor/a homophobe and you need to be lynched |
| 10:09.49 | Maul | no men and womens brains work differently |
| 10:09.54 | BoltHead | now the computer is your secondary social life |
| 10:10.01 | onetwo | yeah bolt thas true |
| 10:10.23 | onetwo | my high school was just a waste of time |
| 10:10.27 | onetwo | i barely tried in class and di well |
| 10:10.32 | onetwo | then played wow in senior years |
| 10:10.32 | onetwo | haha |
| 10:10.33 | BoltHead | because of that I think more women will be going into computer feilds soon |
| 10:10.43 | onetwo | yeah i think so too |
| 10:10.46 | Maul | yes but females will never play sc2 in the mainstream |
| 10:10.47 | BoltHead | man I remember when I first discovered google |
| 10:10.57 | BoltHead | It was when I was a freshmen in highschool |
| 10:11.00 | Maul | now its common to say "yeahh i spent all day on facebook" |
| 10:11.07 | onetwo | whats odd right now is: a guy movie like transformers will bring in both women and men |
| 10:11.11 | onetwo | a guy video game like sc2 wont bring in women |
| 10:11.12 | Maul | but it will never be cool to say "yeahhh i played sc2 all day" |
| 10:11.12 | BoltHead | whole school shared a dialup connection |
| 10:11.14 | onetwo | that might change soon |
| 10:11.16 | Maul | not in a western society |
| 10:11.20 | onetwo | true Maul |
| 10:11.21 | onetwo | very true |
| 10:11.36 | Helral|work | onetwo: you mean won't bring in many women. |
| 10:11.37 | rrowland | Just like they'll never prove the world is round right |
| 10:11.40 | ProzaicMuze | hey maul, can missiles use abilities? (gonna ask everyone I see until I get an answer lol) |
| 10:11.41 | onetwo | thats what i mean |
| 10:11.56 | Maul | sorry prozaic but the data editor isnt my specialty |
| 10:12.15 | BoltHead | you know the whole idea that people thought the world was flat is a lie. |
| 10:12.25 | rrowland | Oh |
| 10:12.27 | Helral|work | PM: does the missle data contain an ability section? |
| 10:12.29 | rrowland | I should take it from you |
| 10:12.31 | rrowland | You were there |
| 10:12.33 | BoltHead | only the superstious people actually belived that. |
| 10:12.39 | BoltHead | lol ouch |
| 10:12.41 | ProzaicMuze | it does indeed. |
| 10:12.45 | onetwo | i really think the lack of women (in e.g. comp sci) is because of childhood and society |
| 10:12.55 | onetwo | i know a girl who is attractive and in comp sci |
| 10:12.55 | Helral|work | then it probably can have abilities. |
| 10:12.57 | onetwo | beause her dad |
| 10:12.59 | onetwo | is a comp scientist |
| 10:13.00 | ProzaicMuze | I've even got an ability ON the missile |
| 10:13.01 | onetwo | simple as that |
| 10:13.06 | onetwo | and she does well |
| 10:13.09 | onetwo | but thats 1 case |
| 10:13.16 | ProzaicMuze | However my unit is autocasting it and it causes its effect, but the missile doesn't appear to use the ability at all. |
| 10:13.29 | BoltHead | You don't have to sail a boat aroudn the world to wonder why it disappear over the horrizen instead of fading out |
| 10:13.50 | Helral|work | PM: what you prolly want is a buff behavior with a periodic effect or something that causes an effect. |
| 10:13.58 | BoltHead | Also there is the pole shadow trick |
| 10:14.06 | rrowland | People STILL believe in the invisible man in the sky, so it's not a stretch for me to believe people believed the world was flat thousands of years ago, or even still today. |
| 10:14.07 | *** join/#sc2mapster Maul (~Tom@CPE-124-184-235-231.lns7.cht.bigpond.net.au) |
| 10:14.25 | BoltHead | Make two poles sticking strait up a good long distance appart |
| 10:14.33 | Helral|work | isn't the world still flat? |
| 10:14.37 | Maul | did anyone see my post after Maul> i read an article awhile back about how young girls are conditioned as children |
| 10:14.41 | ProzaicMuze | I can't use markers with a behavior though. |
| 10:14.52 | BoltHead | record the time that there is no shadow on both on the same day and compair results... |
| 10:15.04 | rrowland | Sure there were smart people who took a couple poles and said "Hey, this shit's a sphere!" Then there were the 99% of the population that said "You're stupid, everyone knows the world is flat" |
| 10:15.22 | onetwo | ? |
| 10:15.26 | onetwo | no Maul |
| 10:15.28 | BoltHead | lol perhaps |
| 10:15.34 | Maul | there's always that "stupid" population |
| 10:15.36 | Helral|work | Maul: last post I've seen of you [12:11] <Maul> sorry prozaic but the data editor isnt my specialty |
| 10:15.36 | rrowland | You see it happening today |
| 10:15.37 | Maul | ie the majority |
| 10:15.45 | rrowland | You think people were smarter thousands of years ago? |
| 10:15.47 | BoltHead | its like stupid people today |
| 10:15.51 | Maul | wow helral you're almost as bad as purl :P |
| 10:16.01 | onetwo | well if youre in this chat right now |
| 10:16.03 | Helral|work | muhahaha |
| 10:16.10 | onetwo | youre probably not in stupid population |
| 10:16.10 | BoltHead | how many of your are in highschool? |
| 10:16.18 | onetwo | it means you had a well-educated childhood |
| 10:16.23 | Maul | as i was saying, boys generally receive technical toys as children while girls receive simple dolls |
| 10:16.27 | onetwo | yeah |
| 10:16.33 | onetwo | is that because thats what our brains like |
| 10:16.38 | onetwo | or because someone decided that |
| 10:16.42 | Maul | well a bit of both |
| 10:16.49 | BoltHead | It is very amazing how many highschool kids DON'T know how to read a analog clock. |
| 10:16.50 | rrowland | Maul, maybe that's the cause of the discrepency, not an effect of it. |
| 10:16.55 | Helral|work|purl | has last seen Maul saying "well a bit of both" at 12:16 |
| 10:17.12 | BoltHead | Maul yeah thats all part of Gender identification |
| 10:17.25 | rrowland | If you tell a kid he's a monkey for 20 years of his life |
| 10:17.31 | rrowland | He's going to think he's a monkey |
| 10:17.40 | onetwo | and that kid is justin bieber |
| 10:17.46 | Helral|work | rrowland: I ain't a monkeh? |
| 10:17.53 | BoltHead | Dressing your baby in pink or blue, ect ect |
| 10:17.53 | rrowland | I said monkey |
| 10:18.00 | rrowland | Not black |
| 10:18.01 | rrowland | Racist |
| 10:18.06 | Maul | men still have more technical brains and have a better ability to focus on a single problem at a time |
| 10:18.18 | onetwo | can that be true though for sure? |
| 10:18.23 | onetwo | i mean i have trouble focusing |
| 10:18.24 | Helral|work | rrowland: sohhy I have phoblems with saying the h. |
| 10:18.27 | Maul | yes |
| 10:18.34 | onetwo | my sis can read a textbook |
| 10:18.35 | onetwo | for hours on end |
| 10:18.35 | rrowland | I mean |
| 10:18.37 | onetwo | i could never do that |
| 10:18.37 | onetwo | ever |
| 10:18.40 | rrowland | Justin beiber |
| 10:18.42 | BoltHead | thats probolly an evolution thing |
| 10:18.45 | rrowland | Thinks he's black, not a monkey |
| 10:18.54 | rrowland | He also thinks he's past puberty |
| 10:18.56 | BoltHead | fk guys I need to sleep cya |
| 10:18.59 | onetwo | bye |
| 10:19.02 | rrowland | And also thinks he's talented |
| 10:19.07 | Helral|work | cya boltHead |
| 10:19.12 | Helral|work | ow he's gone already.... |
| 10:19.14 | rrowland | Lots of misconceptions for that kid |
| 10:19.21 | onetwo | hahaha |
| 10:19.26 | Maul | the male brain generally tends to isolate a problem, taking on a single problem and disregarding related problems, while the female brain will take on the same problem but base her decision on all effected scenarios, making it harder to make a decision |
| 10:19.38 | Helral|work | has no clue who Justin Beiber is or whatever his name is. |
| 10:19.47 | onetwo | keep it that way helral |
| 10:19.48 | Maul | as the female will consider more eventualities simulataneously which leads to indecision |
| 10:20.01 | Helral|work | thinks he should be happy that he doesn't know. |
| 10:20.02 | rrowland | He's like some 5 year old boy who raps with famous rappers |
| 10:20.13 | rrowland | 5 year old white boy* |
| 10:20.17 | Helral|work | ow Eminem. |
| 10:20.17 | onetwo | he started making videos on youtube... got noticed |
| 10:20.18 | Maul | both have their benefits but being able to tackle a single problem more effectively is better for techincal work |
| 10:20.20 | onetwo | now hes the biggest kid star |
| 10:20.37 | Helral|work | ow make that "Eminem Mark II" |
| 10:20.44 | onetwo | but Maul, is that why women arent in comp sci |
| 10:20.46 | onetwo | or is it because |
| 10:20.49 | onetwo | of the connotations |
| 10:20.53 | onetwo | and perceptions |
| 10:21.01 | Maul | its part of it |
| 10:21.02 | onetwo | think of a high school girl that says she made a website |
| 10:21.05 | onetwo | her friends would be like wt |
| 10:21.05 | rrowland | It's not |
| 10:21.06 | onetwo | f |
| 10:21.08 | onetwo | lets talk about boys |
| 10:21.09 | Maul | men generally have better spatial ability |
| 10:21.12 | rrowland | That's so ridiculous |
| 10:21.19 | rrowland | Yeah there may be slight differences |
| 10:21.24 | Maul | but at the same time i think social conditioning plays a big role |
| 10:21.25 | Helral|work | yup we men go like: that website looks rubbish. |
| 10:21.27 | rrowland | But not big enough to warrant such a huge discrepancy |
| 10:21.36 | Maul | girls brought up to think "this is what girls do, that stuff is for the boys" |
| 10:21.50 | rrowland | Most men/women don't KNOW of any discrepency in the way they think, therefore they can't make decisions based on it |
| 10:21.56 | onetwo | ah |
| 10:21.59 | rrowland | So saying that women don't take a certain class because of it is stupid |
| 10:22.03 | Helral|work | so Maul, did you play with barby dolls when you were young? |
| 10:22.15 | Maul | of course not |
| 10:22.20 | Maul | i was a lego kid |
| 10:22.44 | rrowland | Every part of who you are is a result of your environment |
| 10:22.49 | Maul | women probably dont think a class is stupid |
| 10:22.50 | ProzaicMuze | aha! |
| 10:22.51 | ProzaicMuze | success! |
| 10:23.01 | ProzaicMuze | rrowland, I have you a piercing bullet of single damagedom |
| 10:23.03 | Coding_Newb | yo, my animation for auto-turret rotation isnt working... what is this called in the data editor so i can fix it? |
| 10:23.05 | Maul | its probably not as desireable as other classes available |
| 10:23.17 | rrowland | Coolness |
| 10:23.18 | Helral|work | PM: did the behavior thing work or did you still go for an ability? |
| 10:23.27 | onetwo | prozaic is the greatest imo |
| 10:23.43 | ProzaicMuze | give me a sec while I make the other variations and you'll be good to go. |
| 10:23.46 | onetwo | coding_newb, probably the turret |
| 10:23.47 | onetwo | data |
| 10:23.48 | onetwo | type |
| 10:23.53 | onetwo | needs to be made and set |
| 10:23.55 | onetwo | to your unit |
| 10:23.56 | onetwo | or w/e |
| 10:24.02 | ProzaicMuze | I went with the behavior but cheated |
| 10:24.02 | Helral|work | wonders the greatest what? fool, idiot, copycat, newby, genius, other stuff.... |
| 10:24.18 | ProzaicMuze | I went behavior > persistent > search > damage |
| 10:24.20 | Coding_Newb | i have looked around everywhere for that but failed to find |
| 10:24.32 | ProzaicMuze | and made the persistent have a marker. Suddenly the world was right again |
| 10:25.01 | Helral|work | the stuff that behaviors can fix ;) |
| 10:25.13 | ProzaicMuze | rrowland, are the other sniper shots (longer distance) going to have different damage? or just longer range? |
| 10:25.26 | rrowland | diff damage |
| 10:25.30 | rrowland | But I can tweak all that stuff |
| 10:26.47 | Coding_Newb | onetwo, should that be in actors, models, turrets, effects or behaviors? |
| 10:27.02 | onetwo | turrets |
| 10:27.09 | onetwo | when you duplicated the autoturret |
| 10:27.14 | onetwo | you should have duplicated a turret |
| 10:27.15 | onetwo | too |
| 10:27.21 | onetwo | if i remember correctly |
| 10:27.21 | onetwo | if not |
| 10:27.24 | Coding_Newb | all the info in that is identical when i dplicated it |
| 10:27.28 | onetwo | then duplicate the original autoturret's |
| 10:27.32 | onetwo | and change the field that has the unit |
| 10:27.34 | onetwo | or w/e |
| 10:27.37 | onetwo | i havent done that in a whiel |
| 10:27.43 | onetwo | thats all i can remember |
| 10:27.46 | onetwo | not sure if you do an actor thing |
| 10:27.48 | onetwo | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:28.03 | Coding_Newb | idle, yaw arc, yaw idle rate, and yaw rate are untouched |
| 10:28.21 | Coding_Newb | idle set is set to "spin"..but that isnt even working |
| 10:28.33 | Triceron | damn this monsters den game |
| 10:28.46 | Triceron | damn it to hell, I waste too much time with it |
| 10:29.06 | Coding_Newb | onetwo: theres no field for units under turrets :( |
| 10:29.48 | onetwo | oh |
| 10:29.50 | onetwo | coding newb |
| 10:29.54 | onetwo | auto turret has a turret type actor |
| 10:29.57 | onetwo | maybe that didnt get duplicated |
| 10:29.59 | onetwo | see if you can find it |
| 10:30.06 | onetwo | its called AutoTurretTurret |
| 10:30.32 | Repo | New announcement: http://www.sc2mapster.com/announcements/thriller-chain-lightning-turn-dna-wars/ |
| 10:30.33 | onetwo | and make sure to set the Events+ field |
| 10:30.38 | onetwo | to be to your turret i think |
| 10:30.42 | onetwo | i dont know its confusing to me even |
| 10:30.47 | ProzaicMuze | what's the problem? I'm too lazy to look up and find it |
| 10:30.49 | Coding_Newb | let me check, thanks |
| 10:30.50 | *** join/#sc2mapster vjeux_ (52e9ed5b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.233.237.91) |
| 10:30.50 | *** mode/#sc2mapster [+o vjeux_] by ChanServ |
| 10:31.01 | vjeux_ | news :) Let the comments rain! :p |
| 10:31.55 | Maul | lol hydra thriller |
| 10:32.12 | Triceron | haha |
| 10:32.34 | Triceron | hey the chain lightning pic |
| 10:32.37 | Triceron | what is the building? |
| 10:32.51 | ProzaicMuze | It's a doodad. |
| 10:32.56 | vjeux_ | Column > TempleColumn_17.m3 |
| 10:32.57 | ProzaicMuze | TempleColumn variation 17 |
| 10:33.00 | Triceron | ooh |
| 10:33.06 | onetwo | nice |
| 10:33.09 | onetwo | i like the videos for this news |
| 10:33.15 | onetwo | it reminds me of a young italy |
| 10:33.16 | ProzaicMuze | I plan to add attachment points to that middle crystal later on. |
| 10:33.40 | Triceron | very nice stuff :_) |
| 10:33.57 | Coding_Newb | onetwo: that workeD!!! omg i dunno how you even found that but that was hidden... |
| 10:34.04 | onetwo | haha |
| 10:34.07 | Coding_Newb | love your tutorials btw, you are the best :) |
| 10:34.12 | onetwo | thx |
| 10:34.16 | onetwo | now heres your $50 for saying that |
| 10:34.25 | onetwo | ah, feeding my ego |
| 10:34.27 | onetwo | mmm |
| 10:34.31 | onetwo | any tutorial requests btw |
| 10:34.34 | onetwo | i dont know what to do next |
| 10:34.48 | Coding_Newb | hmm |
| 10:35.18 | Coding_Newb | so far i have gone through both ur TD tuts... |
| 10:35.20 | vjeux_ | onetwo: you can make a tutorial: how to record a video + encode it |
| 10:35.36 | casperb | onetwo: Make a tutorial on how to ask a question! :P |
| 10:35.44 | onetwo | vjeux |
| 10:35.47 | onetwo | my method is really bad |
| 10:35.49 | casperb | (http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html) |
| 10:35.51 | onetwo | casperb |
| 10:36.02 | onetwo | that is good but would be too obviously pointing at my viewers |
| 10:36.03 | onetwo | haha |
| 10:36.28 | Maul | the turn based combot vid is pretty cool too |
| 10:36.44 | casperb | Hehe but i had a serious suggestion the other day |
| 10:37.00 | onetwo | ? |
| 10:37.01 | Coding_Newb | how about a tutorial on how to make a first person 3d shooter ( set camera to 1st or 3rd person ) and shooting |
| 10:37.11 | onetwo | a lot of people have asked for that |
| 10:37.19 | Coding_Newb | have you made one ? |
| 10:37.23 | casperb | Please don't o.o |
| 10:37.23 | onetwo | but because i will never make one as an actual map (cause bnet is too laggy), i wont do that |
| 10:37.36 | onetwo | i usually make tutorials taht tie into what i will do |
| 10:37.37 | onetwo | for my own maps |
| 10:37.40 | vjeux_ | Helral|work: here? |
| 10:37.41 | Helral|work | someone should put a micheal jackson recording in that Hydra Thriller Dance movie as the fronst stage performer. |
| 10:37.45 | Coding_Newb | i c... |
| 10:37.47 | Helral|work | uhm no I'm not. |
| 10:37.50 | Sixen | lol |
| 10:37.51 | onetwo | but right now im doing an RPG and i want to do an items tutorial |
| 10:37.53 | vjeux_ | are you indian? |
| 10:37.55 | onetwo | but im not confident on items |
| 10:37.58 | Helral|work | nope. |
| 10:38.03 | Helral|work | I'm dutch. ;p |
| 10:38.05 | onetwo | indian? |
| 10:38.08 | vjeux_ | oh ok :p |
| 10:38.13 | Maul | woah |
| 10:38.14 | Helral|work | why? |
| 10:38.19 | Maul | dna wars last but not least! |
| 10:38.20 | vjeux_ | your accent |
| 10:38.24 | vjeux_ | was wondering where it came from |
| 10:38.25 | onetwo | oh |
| 10:38.26 | ProzaicMuze | rrowland, yeh here? |
| 10:38.30 | Helral|work | ahhh you say my tutorial |
| 10:38.35 | Sixen | ~seen rrowland |
| 10:38.37 | purl | rrowland is currently on #sc2mapster (15h 13m 32s). Has said a total of 342 messages. Is idling for 13m 7s, last said: 'But I can tweak all that stuff'. |
| 10:38.37 | rrowland | yea |
| 10:38.38 | Sixen | oic |
| 10:38.41 | ProzaicMuze | mmk, gonna give you a link in a sec |
| 10:39.35 | Coding_Newb | onetwo: items + hero would be cool |
| 10:39.51 | onetwo | i think so too |
| 10:39.57 | vjeux_ | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJfYC5UuJW4&feature=channel |
| 10:40.00 | onetwo | im having some trouble with items personally though |
| 10:40.01 | vjeux_ | can you write mapster with that? |
| 10:40.11 | Coding_Newb | a lot of wc3 players miss the hero system + items |
| 10:40.16 | onetwo | yeah |
| 10:40.20 | onetwo | well i have my hero tutorial already |
| 10:40.24 | onetwo | and items was supposed to come after |
| 10:40.28 | onetwo | but im having trouble with buying items |
| 10:40.42 | onetwo | if my hero has a weapon already in his weapon slot, and then buys that same weapon or any weapon |
| 10:40.45 | Helral|work | vjeux: write mapster with that? you mean post the map in which I made that? |
| 10:40.47 | onetwo | it wont go into his regular inventory |
| 10:40.50 | onetwo | itll go to the ground |
| 10:40.52 | onetwo | weirdly enough |
| 10:40.59 | onetwo | but as soon as i drop and pickup my weapon |
| 10:41.01 | onetwo | buying works fine |
| 10:41.02 | onetwo | .. |
| 10:41.04 | Coding_Newb | i have faith in you ;) |
| 10:41.14 | onetwo | i have faith in blizzard :D |
| 10:42.15 | vjeux | Helral|work: write mapster with zergling popping in and out :p |
| 10:42.23 | ProzaicMuze | @ rrowland: http://www.wikiupload.com/FPbx7MHN |
| 10:42.25 | Helral|work | ahh the words. yeah that's possible |
| 10:43.31 | Helral|work | can ya throw me a certain zergling setup you want or shall I design something myself? |
| 10:43.59 | Coding_Newb | where can i edit the icon for "idle worker" ? |
| 10:44.25 | Coding_Newb | it seems every time i run the game, it either uses the default icon for probe, scv, or drone |
| 10:44.30 | vjeux | hmm that was just an idea :P |
| 10:44.50 | Helral|work | vjeux: and do you want zerglings popping up and down starting at a certain point, and then burrow again (see last bit of that movie) or do you want them to continuously pop up and down, or start at a point and from that point on continuously pop up and down? ;p |
| 10:45.04 | onetwo | oh btw |
| 10:45.06 | Coding_Newb | or is there a way to deactive the "idle worker" icon from appearing everytime |
| 10:45.09 | onetwo | is vjeux just Sixen from the future? |
| 10:45.15 | vjeux | what? |
| 10:45.21 | ProzaicMuze | that would be pretty trippy |
| 10:45.31 | Sixen | yes |
| 10:45.38 | onetwo | i knew it |
| 10:45.41 | onetwo | i fucking knew it |
| 10:45.49 | onetwo | its after sixen got his arab money |
| 10:45.50 | Sixen | Notice how both our names are 5 letters |
| 10:45.52 | onetwo | he became vjeux |
| 10:45.57 | onetwo | and you never talk at same time |
| 10:46.02 | onetwo | wait, that wouldnt matter |
| 10:46.05 | Sixen | :P |
| 10:46.07 | Helral|work | no I think you're wrong onetwo.... vjeux isn't sixen from the future... sixen is vjeux from the past. |
| 10:46.21 | vjeux | read vjeux in the opposite order, you'll get the revelation! |
| 10:46.21 | onetwo | how |
| 10:46.22 | onetwo | the |
| 10:46.28 | onetwo | xuejv |
| 10:46.29 | onetwo | great |
| 10:46.30 | rrowland | uhm |
| 10:46.31 | onetwo | that doesnt help |
| 10:46.53 | vjeux | (you've been mind tricked!) |
| 10:47.03 | rrowland | It ends where I click |
| 10:47.10 | Sixen | xuejv == sixen |
| 10:47.15 | rrowland | And try firing at different angles close to yourself |
| 10:47.15 | ProzaicMuze | the bullet? |
| 10:47.19 | rrowland | It fires directly down instead |
| 10:47.26 | Coding_Newb | hey onetwo, any idea about how to deactivate "idle worker" icon ? |
| 10:47.29 | rrowland | yes |
| 10:47.36 | onetwo | i think its something to do with Alert |
| 10:47.40 | onetwo | i dont know |
| 10:47.40 | `3ICE | for war3 we just had to remove the worker classification from the workers |
| 10:47.42 | onetwo | that one personally |
| 10:47.44 | onetwo | yeah that too |
| 10:47.48 | onetwo | remove worker classification |
| 10:47.49 | onetwo | from your unit |
| 10:47.50 | onetwo | flags |
| 10:47.51 | Helral|work | Coding_Newb: remove the fact that the unit is a worker. |
| 10:47.58 | ProzaicMuze | The firing where you click is what I thought yeh wanted, I could make it like the flamewave and fire a set distance. |
| 10:48.08 | Coding_Newb | nice, thanks for the help guys |
| 10:48.15 | `3ICE | np np |
| 10:48.26 | ProzaicMuze | As for the firing down, that's probably because I didn't attach the model launch to the ghost since, if you look closely, it shoots from the ground. |
| 10:48.29 | onetwo | night guys |
| 10:48.41 | rrowland | I mean |
| 10:48.42 | ProzaicMuze | You can probably fix that by changing the launch attachment query |
| 10:48.45 | rrowland | It fires directly south |
| 10:48.58 | rrowland | Disregarding where I click |
| 10:49.01 | rrowland | And just firing south |
| 10:49.30 | ProzaicMuze | hrm |
| 10:49.39 | ProzaicMuze | Everything else works as desired though, right? |
| 10:50.17 | rrowland | In some instances units are being skipped by the bullet |
| 10:50.25 | Coding_Newb | time for a break..see y'all tomorrow! g'nite |
| 10:50.30 | vjeux | night |
| 10:50.31 | ProzaicMuze | you can fix that be decreasing period time. |
| 10:50.32 | Sixen | night |
| 10:50.42 | rrowland | Depending where they are in the line, it seems the width of where they can be hit varies |
| 10:50.47 | ProzaicMuze | or by slowing down the missile mover itself. |
| 10:50.51 | rrowland | Due to the searches being circles |
| 10:51.04 | ProzaicMuze | that part can be fixed by making multiple radii OR by increasing the radius |
| 10:51.06 | rrowland | So at the middle of a search it can be 1.0 |
| 10:51.09 | rrowland | And the tip 0.1 |
| 10:51.35 | rrowland | Also yeah it launches at the spot I click rather than in a straight line |
| 10:52.37 | ProzaicMuze | So I duplicated the south shooting and unit skipping. |
| 10:52.45 | ProzaicMuze | The south shooting is an animation thing. |
| 10:52.54 | ProzaicMuze | The damage is still applied regardless |
| 10:53.16 | ProzaicMuze | So I think that's a bug more than the actual effects. It's similar to how beams will shoot completely off the screen. |
| 10:53.35 | ProzaicMuze | The unit skipping appears to have been eliminated by decreasing the period to 0.01 |
| 10:53.44 | rrowland | If you can't see the missile you can't dodge it... |
| 10:53.44 | ProzaicMuze | still testing that though. |
| 10:54.13 | rrowland | And if it goes straight south you can't see it obviously |
| 10:54.17 | rrowland | Where it's supposed to be anyway |
| 10:54.22 | ProzaicMuze | That will probably be fixed by making th emissile fire the length regardless of where you click rather than where you click up to max range. |
| 10:54.45 | ProzaicMuze | but the main thing was piercing bullet that didn't use offsets OR overlap damage, and all that's working for you, right? |
| 10:54.50 | rrowland | Anyway I had it all set up except the markers / unique damage |
| 10:55.12 | rrowland | So tomorrow I'll look at how you used markers and see if I can figure out how that works |
| 10:55.38 | ProzaicMuze | mmk, if you can't get it to work lemme know. |
| 10:55.40 | rrowland | I've got markers working on other things |
| 10:55.51 | rrowland | I never really revisited this problem though |
| 10:55.53 | rrowland | After that |
| 10:56.23 | rrowland | Thanks for helping though, I'll be giving it a more thorough look tomorrow |
| 10:56.27 | rrowland | I'm really tired right now |
| 10:56.32 | ProzaicMuze | np :) |
| 10:56.39 | rrowland | Good night |
| 10:56.45 | ProzaicMuze | since I'm up, I'll work on it a lil' more and see if I can fix the down shot by then :) |
| 10:56.47 | ProzaicMuze | sleep easy |
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| 11:03.49 | redmarine | Anyone knows if it is possible to make the cursers larger than 32x32? |
| 11:04.04 | ProzaicMuze | change the image to something larger? |
| 11:04.58 | redmarine | well, yeah making the curser texture larger ingame |
| 11:05.12 | redmarine | doesn't work just by making it larger |
| 11:05.19 | redmarine | since it automatically resizes the image |
| 11:06.21 | ProzaicMuze | triggers maybe? lol |
| 11:06.27 | ProzaicMuze | (no clue, haven't tried that) |
| 11:06.50 | redmarine | Well, doesn't seem like I can do anything about it |
| 11:07.02 | redmarine | So I thought perhaps someone knew a way around |
| 11:10.32 | casperb | doubt it |
| 11:10.36 | casperb | cursors are usually fixed size |
| 11:10.50 | redmarine | I see. |
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| 11:11.10 | redmarine | It's possible to create images right? |
| 11:11.18 | casperb | yeah dialogs |
| 11:11.19 | redmarine | Locked to the game not UI |
| 11:11.20 | redmarine | that is |
| 11:11.37 | casperb | screen image for easy pure image display |
| 11:11.48 | redmarine | Well, wouldn't work |
| 11:11.49 | casperb | basically a dialog in the backend but simple setter methods |
| 11:11.57 | casperb | But you don't know the mouse position |
| 11:12.02 | redmarine | that's the problem |
| 11:12.03 | casperb | so you're screwed :p |
| 11:12.03 | ProzaicMuze | wow, that was actually much easier to fix than I thought! |
| 11:12.55 | redmarine | So, basically Blizzard forgot to add that feature. |
| 11:13.06 | redmarine | Hopefully it will be in the final version |
| 11:14.59 | casperb | tried just changing the image btw? |
| 11:15.09 | casperb | could be that it just draws the image by it's size |
| 11:15.16 | Clord | that editor is pretty much how it is in retail... just with retail content added |
| 11:19.21 | redmarine | Yeah I guess |
| 11:19.30 | redmarine | The image feature was in Wc3 |
| 11:19.36 | redmarine | Which was very helpful |
| 11:19.40 | redmarine | I'll just suggest it to them |
| 11:19.58 | vjeux | what feature? |
| 11:20.18 | redmarine | To place images on the ma |
| 11:20.20 | redmarine | map* |
| 11:20.39 | redmarine | I need to make a custom curser |
| 11:20.53 | redmarine | Since the default one doesn't support images larger than 32x32 |
| 11:21.00 | casperb | Just try scaling it to 64x64 first just in case :p |
| 11:21.09 | redmarine | I tried 128x128 |
| 11:21.12 | vjeux | well, you want them to add cursor image support :p |
| 11:21.15 | redmarine | It got scaled down to 32x32 |
| 11:21.33 | redmarine | I want them to add both. |
| 11:21.33 | vjeux | cursor size in fact |
| 11:21.48 | vjeux | the suggestion forum is made for that :) |
| 11:22.48 | redmarine | yeah I know |
| 11:25.56 | Clord | if there would be thing I would really like is to remove crappy 256X256 size limit |
| 11:26.09 | Clord | even if it comes with warning box that it hits performance hard |
| 11:26.09 | Clord | XD |
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| 11:40.24 | Skizot | i need an animator. |
| 11:46.31 | ProzaicMuze | I think a lot of people do actually rofl |
| 11:49.44 | Skizot | i just need two animations added to a marine. |
| 11:50.04 | ProzaicMuze | You should hit up whoever made the hydra thrill animations |
| 11:50.20 | vjeux | that's a standard animation ProzaicMuze |
| 11:53.35 | ProzaicMuze | That is!? |
| 11:53.42 | ProzaicMuze | is that the dance animation or whatever? |
| 11:54.09 | vjeux | yup |
| 11:54.43 | ProzaicMuze | well then I don't know any animators :( |
| 11:54.51 | ProzaicMuze | and lame |
| 11:54.51 | Skizot | lol |
| 11:54.57 | ProzaicMuze | Missiles aren't flexible at all |
| 11:55.11 | ProzaicMuze | I want the missile to travel a set distance every time |
| 11:55.20 | ProzaicMuze | not go infinitely off towards whereever I click |
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| 11:56.17 | ProzaicMuze | with all these crazy options under movers, I'm surprised one of them isn't "Max distance" |
| 11:56.22 | Dribbs | so anyone got any super special WIPs things going? |
| 11:56.28 | ProzaicMuze | WIPs? |
| 11:56.33 | Dribbs | work in progress |
| 11:57.00 | ProzaicMuze | Does other people's abilities count? |
| 11:57.01 | Maul | this is a development chat, right? |
| 11:57.03 | ProzaicMuze | do* |
| 11:57.06 | vjeux | got my exams in progress, not sure if you are interested :p |
| 11:57.10 | Dribbs | haha |
| 11:57.14 | Dribbs | im talking like |
| 11:57.20 | Dribbs | remakes of GOOD classic maps |
| 11:57.24 | ProzaicMuze | psh |
| 11:57.25 | ProzaicMuze | remakes |
| 11:57.27 | Dribbs | aka anything but dota |
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| 11:57.31 | ProzaicMuze | are for lackluster mappers |
| 11:58.23 | Dribbs | whats your best work prozaic? |
| 11:59.19 | Dribbs | not in an insulting way |
| 11:59.22 | Dribbs | just curious |
| 12:00.24 | ProzaicMuze | I don't have any published works, but I've made some great abilities. I'll have a map out down the road though. |
| 12:00.33 | Dribbs | ah ok |
| 12:00.37 | Dribbs | you good at terrain? |
| 12:00.48 | ProzaicMuze | You'll see my work in a lot of other folks maps down the road as I help with more and more abilities rofl |
| 12:01.01 | ProzaicMuze | If you're referring to just the drawing part, yeh |
| 12:01.11 | ProzaicMuze | I'm a photoshop guru, so the design talent carries over. |
| 12:01.32 | ProzaicMuze | like here, check this out |
| 12:01.59 | ProzaicMuze | http://www.wikiupload.com/QZiHqyQM |
| 12:02.20 | ProzaicMuze | and http://www.wikiupload.com/QZiHqyQM |
| 12:02.28 | ProzaicMuze | some abilities I made recently. |
| 12:02.59 | Dribbs | awesome |
| 12:05.02 | ProzaicMuze | lmao hrm |
| 12:05.10 | ProzaicMuze | I just realized those are the same thing Xp |
| 12:05.28 | ProzaicMuze | oops |
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| 12:14.05 | Helral|work | btw vjeux did you want me to design a zergling auto- burrowing/unburrowing logo? |
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| 12:19.17 | ProzaicMuze | oh hey, I was gonna ask this a while back, but tutorial requests: what if you split it up into multiple threads that cover portions of the editor like Triggers, Data etc. |
| 12:19.54 | ProzaicMuze | The sections people have specialized in. It would make it easier to search for requests you think you can answer and easier to request a thread given you know you have a better chance of being answered. |
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| 12:27.51 | Helral|work | would be nice to have someone sort out that thread and list the requests and the matching tutorials. |
| 12:27.55 | vjeux | Helral|work: this was just an idea |
| 12:28.05 | Helral|work | vjeux: hehehe ;) |
| 12:28.20 | Helral|work | vjeux: well I can create it for you, that's not a problem at all ;p |
| 12:28.22 | vjeux | if you want to make a recap of what's has been done and what's left |
| 12:28.32 | vjeux | go for it |
| 12:28.38 | Helral|work | vjeux: I made that burrow/unburrowing thing when I was playing around with behaviours. |
| 12:28.39 | vjeux | i'll replace the current sticky by yours |
| 12:29.09 | ekcolnvkol | auto unburrow? |
| 12:29.11 | Helral|work | Guess I'll have a busy night ahead of me... but first it's time to get back to work. |
| 12:29.12 | ekcolnvkol | that's ezmode :u |
| 12:29.27 | Helral|work | auto unburrow when an enemy unit is nearby. |
| 12:29.36 | ekcolnvkol | that's also ezmode D: |
| 12:29.37 | Helral|work | and auto burrow when he's dead/gone. |
| 12:29.40 | ekcolnvkol | validators |
| 12:29.45 | Helral|work | yup. |
| 12:30.00 | ekcolnvkol | setting up projectile actors is where the shit goes down :( |
| 12:30.03 | ekcolnvkol | like |
| 12:30.10 | SiNiquity | sup |
| 12:30.18 | ekcolnvkol | getting an actor to respond based on target type q.q |
| 12:30.47 | Helral|work | what so tough about that? isn't it also done with behaviours and validators based on unit types? |
| 12:30.53 | ekcolnvkol | yes |
| 12:30.56 | ekcolnvkol | but it's alot of work |
| 12:30.56 | ekcolnvkol | :( |
| 12:30.59 | Helral|work | hehehe |
| 12:31.59 | ekcolnvkol | remember the old infestor |
| 12:32.04 | ekcolnvkol | that could infest buildings |
| 12:32.12 | ekcolnvkol | the actor tree for that was completely insane |
| 12:32.17 | ekcolnvkol | and they didn't even implement it :( |
| 12:33.49 | Helral|work | it could only infest cc's though. |
| 12:33.55 | ekcolnvkol | no |
| 12:33.56 | SiNiquity | worst part is that it's not like it could be reworked for another purpose (ala the drop-pod to mule) |
| 12:33.58 | ekcolnvkol | every building |
| 12:34.00 | SiNiquity | ^ |
| 12:34.08 | ekcolnvkol | there's a unique infestor model for every building |
| 12:34.28 | Helral|work | hmmmm I was thinking about the sc1 queen infest ability... |
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| 12:34.55 | SiNiquity | best ability ever |
| 12:35.31 | ProzaicMuze | lol after today, I'm pretty sure I can do most things with projectiles, beams, abilities, behaviors and markers |
| 12:35.44 | SiNiquity | Does the corruption ability have a similar tree? I haven't looked at any actors at all yet. |
| 12:36.19 | SiNiquity | just trying to get my feet wet w/ triggers and the data editor (how stuff's laid out, how it interacts, etc) |
| 12:36.21 | Helral|work | just thought of an amazing spell to create...... |
| 12:36.28 | ProzaicMuze | Wins you the game instantly? |
| 12:36.36 | SiNiquity | Broodlord? |
| 12:36.54 | Helral|work | Disco Ball. cause all units in an area under the ball to dance. they can't do anything else for the duration of this ability. |
| 12:37.15 | ProzaicMuze | oie. . . |
| 12:37.18 | ProzaicMuze | stole that from WoW |
| 12:37.19 | SiNiquity | lol |
| 12:37.28 | Helral|work | sry it is from DnD ;p |
| 12:37.31 | Helral|work | not WoW. |
| 12:37.37 | Helral|work | WoW is too young. |
| 12:37.44 | SiNiquity | Never played either. phew. ;) |
| 12:38.15 | SiNiquity | Though I did happen to watch some 6th graders do a pokemon card battle today on my home lol |
| 12:38.31 | SiNiquity | Hadn't seen that game in ages |
| 12:38.53 | ProzaicMuze | lol as in DDO? |
| 12:38.57 | ProzaicMuze | or PnP? |
| 12:39.04 | Helral|work | as in the game that DDO is based on ;p |
| 12:39.13 | Helral|work | the PnP version ofcourse ;p |
| 12:39.14 | ProzaicMuze | Otto's Irresistable dance ;) |
| 12:39.24 | Helral|work | aye that one ;) |
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| 12:39.27 | SiNiquity | The acronyms are lost on me :( |
| 12:39.56 | Helral|work | DnD = Dungeons and Dragons. DDO = Dungeons and Dragons Online. PnP = Pen and Paper. |
| 12:40.07 | SiNiquity | <3 |
| 12:40.19 | Helral|work | WoW = ..... not going to say it. |
| 12:40.26 | SiNiquity | no no I got that :P |
| 12:40.42 | ProzaicMuze | omg I added a behavior and it turns my missiles into red balls! |
| 12:40.48 | SiNiquity | actually made my own 'dnd' game before I knew what dnd was. I drew out a map on the back of my Monopoly board :D |
| 12:41.04 | SiNiquity | least they're not blue :P |
| 12:41.10 | Helral|work | or black. |
| 12:41.13 | ProzaicMuze | Xp |
| 12:41.13 | SiNiquity | ^ |
| 12:41.17 | ProzaicMuze | all better |
| 12:41.29 | ProzaicMuze | now rrowland's ability is working exactly as he wanted |
| 12:41.42 | ProzaicMuze | well,w ait |
| 12:41.45 | SiNiquity | lol |
| 12:41.50 | ProzaicMuze | I still gotta make the missile fire outta the gun instead of the ground |
| 12:41.52 | ProzaicMuze | gah |
| 12:42.09 | SiNiquity | gun, ground, arse, w/e. it's all good |
| 12:42.36 | ProzaicMuze | for a sniper game, it's crucial that the bullet not be comin' out of yeh arse ;) |
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| 12:43.11 | SiNiquity | lol |
| 12:43.14 | Helral|work | hmmmm.... funny game to recreate in SC2: Carmageddon. |
| 12:43.50 | SiNiquity | Similar to Vigilante 8/Twisted Metal? I vaguely remember playing those @ a friend's house |
| 12:44.09 | SiNiquity | cars with guns/bombs/etc |
| 12:44.37 | SiNiquity | You know what would be even better to recreate? The game ... name that I can't remember but am going to google right now brb |
| 12:45.31 | SiNiquity | Blast Corps! |
| 12:45.47 | Helral|work | doesn't ring a bell. |
| 12:46.12 | SiNiquity | N64 game |
| 12:46.39 | Helral|work | no wonder it doesn't ring a bell. |
| 12:46.43 | SiNiquity | There's a truck with a nuclear bomb trying to get to some destination |
| 12:46.51 | SiNiquity | and there's stuff in the way |
| 12:47.34 | ProzaicMuze | well damn, because this missile shoots with an ability, it doesn't want to attach the missile launch to his gun :( |
| 12:47.38 | SiNiquity | Your goal is to demolish everything in the truck's autopilot path, as any tiny jolt could set it off |
| 12:47.49 | SiNiquity | :( |
| 12:48.57 | ProzaicMuze | ha ha, maybe that's it "Launch location: source point" |
| 12:49.08 | SiNiquity | na too obvious |
| 12:49.10 | SiNiquity | keep looking ;) |
| 12:49.53 | ProzaicMuze | you jinxed it :( |
| 12:49.56 | ProzaicMuze | jynxed? |
| 12:49.58 | SiNiquity | shit :x sorry |
| 12:50.01 | ProzaicMuze | however it's spelled |
| 12:50.51 | SiNiquity | jinxed afaik |
| 12:50.52 | ProzaicMuze | Helral, you got any experience with launching missiles with abilities? |
| 12:51.09 | Helral|work | nope |
| 12:51.12 | ProzaicMuze | :( |
| 12:51.25 | Helral|work | what's the problem though? |
| 12:51.27 | ProzaicMuze | With beams I just tell it to launch attach: _____________ |
| 12:51.37 | ProzaicMuze | The missiles (bullets) are firing from the ground beneath the unit |
| 12:51.53 | ProzaicMuze | rather than from his handy gun that he points at stuff while firing from the ground |
| 12:51.54 | Helral|work | it doesn't have an attachpoint? |
| 12:52.10 | ProzaicMuze | it does, but the Actor Attack isn't attaching the missiles |
| 12:52.39 | Helral|work | should the attach point be set to the weapon or the unit? |
| 12:53.00 | ProzaicMuze | anywhere I want. |
| 12:53.16 | ProzaicMuze | Ghost's don't have a weapon attach point, but ironically have a shield attack point which is on the scope, so that's what I pointed to |
| 12:54.24 | Helral|work | hmmmm you sure it shouldn't be attached to an attachment point on the weapon? (using the weapon actor on which you attach the missle start point) |
| 12:54.54 | Helral|work | is just making suggestions about what might be wrong with the attachment. |
| 12:55.14 | ProzaicMuze | i don't think weapons have attachment points |
| 12:55.31 | ProzaicMuze | The model has them all. And in the previewer, the ghost doesn't have a weapon attachment point. However, I shall check rofl |
| 12:55.55 | Helral|work | my suggestion: toy around some more with the attachment point. I'd suspect that a weapon attachment point would be e.g. the barrel so that the missle comes out the correct location. |
| 12:56.08 | SiNiquity | That sounds reasonable |
| 12:56.26 | ProzaicMuze | well the fallback is the units center, which would mean if it can't find the weapon it should shoot from his gut, but it doesn't do that either. |
| 12:56.30 | Helral|work | so basicly a missle is attached to a weapon and a weapon is attached to a unit. |
| 12:57.02 | Helral|work | maybe the weapons other attachment points except for one default to the floor. |
| 12:57.10 | SiNiquity | How does the Thor work, what with multiple weapons and all? |
| 12:57.25 | Helral|work | each missle uses a different attachment point. |
| 12:57.31 | Helral|work | or each weapon. |
| 12:57.36 | Helral|work | or both. |
| 12:57.42 | SiNiquity | lol right |
| 12:57.47 | Helral|work | would be an useful unit to study ;p |
| 12:57.51 | SiNiquity | I meant seeing how they did the Thor could help ;P |
| 12:57.56 | SiNiquity | ya :D |
| 12:58.12 | Helral|work | anyways I'm going back to work ;p |
| 12:58.25 | SiNiquity | I'm off work xD |
| 12:59.31 | SiNiquity | So is it just me 'n Prozaic now? |
| 13:00.56 | ProzaicMuze | woah, this animation causes his gun to elarge! |
| 13:00.58 | ProzaicMuze | and I s'pose so |
| 13:01.03 | ProzaicMuze | unless back to work means back to his map work |
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| 13:03.37 | SiNiquity | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPnzVyz2c7w&feature=fvw <-- Blast Corps |
| 13:05.22 | ProzaicMuze | oie. .. |
| 13:05.36 | ProzaicMuze | destroy the map with cars? |
| 13:05.56 | SiNiquity | ya basically |
| 13:06.10 | SiNiquity | the controls of the various vehicles is what made it hard |
| 13:06.25 | Repo | New map: http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/h4xx/. Captain Zestar. Tassadaritze (Manager/Author). Experimental. Approved by grum. |
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| 13:07.16 | SiNiquity | is the localization enUS only? |
| 13:08.01 | ProzaicMuze | no idea |
| 13:08.35 | SiNiquity | Also, I don't see a d/l link. Or am I just blind |
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| 13:09.58 | ProzaicMuze | from the repo link or what? |
| 13:09.58 | ProzaicMuze | Not sure what you're looking at |
| 13:09.58 | SiNiquity | yea his link |
| 13:10.22 | ProzaicMuze | http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/h4xx/ |
| 13:10.22 | ProzaicMuze | that? |
| 13:10.28 | SiNiquity | ya |
| 13:10.55 | Grum | a new project doesnt necessarily have files |
| 13:11.32 | SiNiquity | o. Repo is automated isn't it. For Repository. heh |
| 13:11.38 | ProzaicMuze | ahh, his actual page, got it |
| 13:11.42 | ProzaicMuze | I didn't go to the link rofl |
| 13:12.41 | SiNiquity | I was like "o neat, someone wants to show off what they did, sure I'll check it out" |
| 13:13.14 | SiNiquity | lol neway, how about them AI functions |
| 13:13.55 | SiNiquity | In particular, AIGetFirstMissingReq -- anyone use it successfully? |
| 13:13.56 | ProzaicMuze | AIs are fro losers! |
| 13:14.31 | SiNiquity | true |
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| 13:14.38 | SiNiquity | but we shouldn't discriminate |
| 13:14.46 | SiNiquity | losers are people too you know |
| 13:15.00 | Helral|work | SiNiquity: http://forums.sc2mapster.com/development/project-workplace/2407-helrals-random-dungeon-map/ <-- if you haven't taken a look at my map yet. ;p |
| 13:15.22 | ProzaicMuze | helral's map sucks |
| 13:15.31 | Helral|work | lol |
| 13:15.31 | ProzaicMuze | it lets you THINK you're winning and then ganks your face |
| 13:15.53 | Helral|work | I haven't added a victory trigger yet, but there are achievements you can earn. |
| 13:15.55 | SiNiquity | lol no haven't checked it out yet, but I did watch the youtube video w/ the camera following |
| 13:15.58 | SiNiquity | ZOMG |
| 13:16.00 | SiNiquity | sold |
| 13:16.16 | SiNiquity | who needs to win when you can get achievements :D |
| 13:16.20 | Helral|work | ^^ |
| 13:16.29 | SiNiquity | It's like winning multiple times |
| 13:17.04 | ProzaicMuze | Xp |
| 13:18.01 | Helral|work | I'm currently working (when working on my map) at a charactersheet type interface. in that interface you can adjust some abilities (when you level up you will get points to spend here) and you can also see which achievements you've already earned. |
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| 13:23.12 | ProzaicMuze | there better be a store |
| 13:23.19 | ProzaicMuze | or I'll kill chests! |
| 13:23.34 | Clord | stores go against dungeon crawling |
| 13:23.36 | Helral|work | go kill chests. |
| 13:23.58 | Skizot | those are some sexy walls Helral|away |
| 13:23.59 | Skizot | :D |
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| 13:24.16 | Helral|work | roflol you just had to reply didn't you Skizot. |
| 13:24.27 | Skizot | :D |
| 13:24.37 | Clord | must be dungeon insanity |
| 13:24.40 | Clord | to see them sexy |
| 13:24.53 | Helral|work | as also noted in the map info: Skizot has supplied me with the chest and wall models. |
| 13:25.05 | Clord | lol nice |
| 13:25.11 | Helral|work | might go bug him for some door models ;p |
| 13:25.24 | Helral|work | with animation so I can get an open/close animation for them ;p |
| 13:25.32 | Clord | you gotta wonder who construct those dungeons really lol |
| 13:25.37 | Clord | I mean doors and everything |
| 13:25.42 | Clord | it is not very natural huge cave system |
| 13:25.43 | Clord | ^^ |
| 13:25.54 | Helral|work | mine are build ;p |
| 13:26.02 | Clord | and usually monsters what lurk in them has no IQ to do those constructs |
| 13:26.04 | Clord | ^^ |
| 13:26.06 | Helral|work | currently constructed by the zerglings who dwell there. |
| 13:26.16 | ProzaicMuze | image what they could make with actual hands!!! |
| 13:26.20 | ProzaicMuze | imagine even! |
| 13:26.30 | Clord | lol I can imagine |
| 13:26.34 | Clord | good past time hobby |
| 13:26.54 | Clord | mas... ehem master zergling |
| 13:26.55 | Clord | ^^ |
| 13:27.01 | Helral|work | the zerglings have to do something while waiting for an adventurer to group up on. |
| 13:27.14 | Clord | mast.... |
| 13:27.27 | Helral|work | thinks the zerglings are brainwashing Clord. |
| 13:27.32 | Clord | lol |
| 13:27.43 | Clord | well.. they have plenty of stuff to do |
| 13:27.49 | Clord | carry all that shit ultralisks make |
| 13:27.50 | Clord | :) |
| 13:27.55 | Clord | not to mention break |
| 13:28.22 | Helral|work | it would be funny as hell to place an unit in the map from which the player MUST run away. because he's not killable by the players. |
| 13:28.42 | Clord | many games use that |
| 13:28.44 | Clord | and it is awesome |
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| 13:28.46 | Helral|work | ofcourse the unit must be somewhat slow so the players can get away from him. |
| 13:28.46 | Clord | run or die |
| 13:28.47 | Clord | XD |
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| 13:29.05 | Clord | oh and it somehow need to lose lock on |
| 13:29.08 | Clord | so it not follow forever |
| 13:29.09 | Clord | lol |
| 13:29.25 | Helral|work | ow crap it's the difficult boss. *runs away, gets slaughtered by the zerglings it meets on the way* |
| 13:29.50 | Helral|work | I'm actually planning on adding at least one rare npc. |
| 13:30.04 | Helral|work | if you talk to him he will attack you: "you want, you take!" |
| 13:30.17 | Clord | Witch from L4D series |
| 13:30.18 | Clord | lol |
| 13:30.23 | Clord | have some bazooka! |
| 13:30.25 | Clord | XD |
| 13:30.30 | Helral|work | Garbad the Weak from Diablo I |
| 13:31.42 | Clord | Valve tells how AI director makes dynamic stuff and yet they place spawn locations for items.. what can be any item... |
| 13:31.46 | Clord | so you know where to find items |
| 13:31.47 | Clord | XD |
| 13:31.56 | Clord | your dungeon generator is way more random |
| 13:31.57 | Clord | :) |
| 13:32.07 | Helral|work | :D |
| 13:32.31 | ProzaicMuze | is .4 still the latest? |
| 13:32.34 | Helral|work | mine even has a validator for chests... although I'm not sure if I already applied a fix. |
| 13:32.36 | ProzaicMuze | I'm too lazy to look your map up |
| 13:32.36 | Helral|work | yup |
| 13:32.48 | Helral|work | 0.5 will take a while. |
| 13:33.02 | Helral|work | cause It will support Hero leveling to a bigger extend. |
| 13:33.35 | Helral|work | you can choose which ability to increase outside the standard lvl increases (Str (Dam), Agi (att spd, move spd), Con (hp) ) |
| 13:33.55 | Helral|work | the last attribute isn't implemented in 0.4 |
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| 13:34.43 | SiNiquity | bloops |
| 13:35.16 | Helral|work | also something that is planned for v0.6 or even later: intelligence. hidden walls will light up if you get near them and you've got enough intelligence to notice that the wall is a secret door. |
| 13:36.01 | Helral|work | anyways. |
| 13:36.05 | Helral|work | goes back to work. |
| 13:36.08 | ProzaicMuze | or I can just click somewhere I haven't gone and pathing will guide me through secret doors (something you need to fix lol) |
| 13:36.21 | SiNiquity | lol |
| 13:36.26 | ProzaicMuze | and is there a way to shift something left or right as opposed to just up and down height wise? |
| 13:36.41 | ProzaicMuze | I've manually raised the launch point with height, but it's still slightly off :( |
| 13:37.55 | SiNiquity | mmm idk ;[ |
| 13:38.38 | ProzaicMuze | well what good are you for aside linking videos of destruction!? |
| 13:38.49 | SiNiquity | Don't forget jinxing |
| 13:39.19 | SiNiquity | data/triggers are my expertise, which is at about the copper level ;P |
| 13:39.53 | SiNiquity | Ideally I want a trigger that says "GivenRequirementX, tell me if Requirement is met or not" |
| 13:40.17 | ProzaicMuze | lol |
| 13:40.23 | ProzaicMuze | I've gto data at a platinum level |
| 13:40.33 | SiNiquity | But there's no such thing ;[ So I'm trying to utilize AIGetFirstMissingReq() |
| 13:40.36 | ProzaicMuze | can't have diamond until I master missiles and their filky ilk* |
| 13:40.39 | ProzaicMuze | filkthy* |
| 13:40.40 | SiNiquity | lol |
| 13:40.42 | ProzaicMuze | filthy!* |
| 13:40.51 | SiNiquity | so dirty you can't say it :P |
| 13:40.55 | ProzaicMuze | exactly |
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| 13:46.14 | SiNiquity | blargh ;[ |
| 13:46.57 | SiNiquity | AIGetFirstMissingReq(player, object): Returns the first completely missing requirement to make an object for a player. |
| 13:47.37 | SiNiquity | AIGetFirstMissingReq(1, "UltraliskCavern") == "" .. :x |
| 13:49.18 | Helral|work | SiNiquity: set VarMyString = AIGetFirstMissingReq(1, "UltraliskCavern")? |
| 13:49.25 | SiNiquity | yea, it's "" |
| 13:49.30 | Helral|work | ow lol |
| 13:49.33 | SiNiquity | sorry should've been more clear lol |
| 13:49.42 | Helral|work | you sounded like a condition there ;p |
| 13:50.07 | Helral|work | might want to use is instead of == when not comparing ;p |
| 13:50.26 | SiNiquity | but I was comparing ;P the result of the function is identical to "" ;D |
| 13:50.35 | Helral|work | hahahaha |
| 13:50.51 | Helral|work | and here I thought you were stating a fact.... |
| 13:51.05 | SiNiquity | lol |
| 13:51.15 | SiNiquity | just a fact of my map sadly :x |
| 13:52.02 | Helral|work | I'm actually thinking of applying the DnD ruleset for my map in some degree.... but not sure yet. ;p |
| 13:52.41 | Helral|work | anyways |
| 13:52.48 | Helral|work | goes back to work..... again |
| 13:53.05 | SiNiquity | 00:00:00.00 Trigger Error in 'gt_Visibility_Func': Could not get 'camera' from parameter in 'CameraApplyInfo' (value: 0) |
| 13:53.22 | SiNiquity | [from ur map] |
| 13:53.29 | Helral|work | yeah I know about that error.... I've fixed it in 0.5 |
| 13:53.41 | SiNiquity | gotcha |
| 13:53.41 | ProzaicMuze | he lies just so you'll play v.5 |
| 13:53.52 | ProzaicMuze | he prolly is gonna release it finished as just another rick roll |
| 13:53.54 | SiNiquity | idk what ver I'm on now :o |
| 13:53.55 | Helral|work | I removed an camera object by accident. and I forgot to disable that action. |
| 13:53.59 | SiNiquity | lol |
| 13:54.12 | Helral|work | 0.4 latest public version. |
| 13:54.22 | Helral|work | 0.5 current version under development. |
| 13:54.29 | SiNiquity | does the camera start on the ground in 0.5? |
| 13:54.40 | SiNiquity | cuz if I didn't know about middle click I'd be lost lol |
| 13:54.46 | Helral|work | plan was to make it look better towards the unit. |
| 13:54.51 | SiNiquity | cool |
| 13:54.52 | Helral|work | hit F12 ;p |
| 13:55.03 | ProzaicMuze | well wtf, my missiles shooting at an angle from where I click |
| 13:55.05 | SiNiquity | "F12: No help" |
| 13:55.08 | ProzaicMuze | like a 30angle |
| 13:55.09 | Helral|work | hmmm. no tips? |
| 13:55.14 | SiNiquity | nope |
| 13:55.17 | SiNiquity | nor tutorials |
| 13:55.37 | Helral|work | guess I haven't implemented that in 0.4 ... but 0.5 :S damn hard to keep the different versions apart. |
| 13:55.43 | SiNiquity | lol |
| 13:55.51 | SiNiquity | wtf I can't grab the sc2mapsters icon |
| 13:56.07 | Helral|work | can't grab? |
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| 13:56.19 | SiNiquity | o snap it's in the air |
| 13:56.21 | SiNiquity | hah |
| 13:56.27 | Gifted | Hello all |
| 13:56.50 | SiNiquity | o u have WASD on heh |
| 13:56.59 | SiNiquity | I was like wtf why is "a" not attacking but running around |
| 13:57.29 | SiNiquity | another "bug" |
| 13:57.49 | SiNiquity | If you select another unit and try to command it, it says "uncommandable" blah blah but ur unit still runs around |
| 13:57.59 | SiNiquity | which is cool - but should probably switch selection back over to my unit |
| 13:58.32 | Gifted | Anyone able to answer a quick unit/weapon question regarding the prismatic beam (Void Ray) |
| 13:58.40 | ProzaicMuze | I can do beams |
| 13:58.43 | SiNiquity | ^ |
| 13:58.53 | Helral|work | I've already disabled the error in 0.5 |
| 13:58.55 | SiNiquity | [lol when it's about where it attaches ;D] |
| 13:58.57 | Gifted | *laughs* Prozaic! GJ on the Chain Lightning btw |
| 13:59.52 | Helral|work | yes you can use WASD to move. (in 0.5) I've also changed that to be attack move, instead of normal movement. |
| 14:00.03 | Gifted | Was just atttempting to attach the beam to a structure that can attack another like structure. The issue is that the beam is not showing. (Steps taken so far, went to unit, changed weapon to beam, all beam effects were associated) Is there an actor or anything I need to add? |
| 14:00.16 | Gifted | Prismatic beam (Void ray) to be specific) |
| 14:00.37 | SiNiquity | Helral -- if u change it to attack move, can u run away with WASD then? |
| 14:00.42 | Gifted | (If you provide me the steps to learn it on my own, that'd be ok too, I've done about 30 minutes of research trying to find out the solution) |
| 14:00.50 | ProzaicMuze | Ty about the tutorial ;) |
| 14:00.52 | ProzaicMuze | and as for the beam |
| 14:01.02 | ProzaicMuze | you need the following before a beam will show up and do damage: |
| 14:01.25 | Helral|work | SiNiquity: not atm. but I might throw in a toggle for it or a checkbox on the UI to enable auto-targetting while moving. |
| 14:01.52 | Helral|work | or perhaps I'll detect if an enemy units is in the direction the hero is moving. ifso then use the attack command. |
| 14:02.10 | ProzaicMuze | Beam Model (Make sure you figure out which animation to reference whether it be birth, birth stand or death) > Beam Actor, Beam Attack Actor > Beam Effects |
| 14:02.29 | Helral|work | but you can still run away by hitting the move button and clicking away ;p |
| 14:02.40 | ProzaicMuze | So if you want the void ray weapon, you want to use the VoidRayMissile.mp3 (I think that's what it's called) model |
| 14:02.52 | SiNiquity | 1 chest w/ 14 gold, other empty ;[ |
| 14:02.57 | ProzaicMuze | go into the previewr and see which of its animations you like |
| 14:03.03 | Helral|work | ;p |
| 14:03.06 | ProzaicMuze | That animation is what you'll tell the actor events to play. |
| 14:03.12 | ProzaicMuze | Does that make sense so far Gifted? |
| 14:03.16 | Gifted | Very much so |
| 14:03.23 | Gifted | You've given me a direction, and that's very appreciated man |
| 14:03.25 | Helral|work | SiNiquity: all chests were empty in version 0.3 |
| 14:03.30 | ProzaicMuze | np |
| 14:03.32 | SiNiquity | :O |
| 14:03.34 | Gifted | Keep up the good work too :) |
| 14:03.40 | ProzaicMuze | if you need a working beam map, just download the one from the tutorial to see how things line up |
| 14:03.52 | ProzaicMuze | I plan too :D |
| 14:04.17 | Gifted | Well, the overall goal is that my map will have an odd power mechanic, where you transfer "energy" from a power generator, to power relay towers by use of a prismatic beam setup |
| 14:04.25 | Gifted | I'll see if I can get it going |
| 14:04.26 | SiNiquity | In 0.5 did you already remove the 's' hotkey from Stop? |
| 14:04.26 | Gifted | ^_^ |
| 14:04.39 | ProzaicMuze | ahh, so instead of shooting for damage you shoot to swap behaviors or transfer energy? |
| 14:04.45 | Gifted | yes |
| 14:04.51 | Helral|work | hmmm not sure, good point I'll need to check that. |
| 14:05.12 | ProzaicMuze | good deal :) if you run intro trouble when I'm not online, just post on my thread and I'll look into it |
| 14:05.24 | Gifted | Good stuff, thanks for the help :) |
| 14:05.26 | ProzaicMuze | np |
| 14:06.04 | Hati | Portugal 7 : 0 North korea oO? |
| 14:06.13 | Helral|work | huh |
| 14:06.40 | Helral|work | omg |
| 14:06.53 | ProzaicMuze | soccer/futbol? |
| 14:06.57 | Hati | yea |
| 14:07.03 | ProzaicMuze | dang! |
| 14:07.12 | ProzaicMuze | That's like a Brazil match rofl |
| 14:07.31 | Helral|work | I would laugh if Port loses from Brazil and Ivo wins from North Korea. |
| 14:07.32 | SiNiquity | Change the opening voice |
| 14:07.35 | SiNiquity | to "Mmmmm Fresh meat" |
| 14:07.37 | SiNiquity | :D |
| 14:07.56 | Helral|work | Thinking about using alternating sounds randomly selected at some point. |
| 14:08.05 | Gifted | ProzaicMuze, able to hit up another round of questions, now that I'm trying to take your info and implement it? |
| 14:08.15 | Helral|work | most of them taking from either D1, or pissed voices from wc3/sc2. |
| 14:10.37 | Gifted | nvm, going to try something else |
| 14:11.14 | SiNiquity | yeaa explorer |
| 14:11.15 | SiNiquity | and crawler |
| 14:11.17 | SiNiquity | ? |
| 14:11.35 | Helral|work | yeah I need to do something about earning 2 achievements at the same time. |
| 14:11.49 | Helral|work | explorer = getting 100% exploration done. |
| 14:12.02 | ProzaicMuze | yes |
| 14:12.04 | ProzaicMuze | or not lol |
| 14:12.05 | Helral|work | dungeon crawler = reaching the 3rd floor of the dungeon. |
| 14:12.19 | SiNiquity | hmm I got the explorer one twice I tihnk |
| 14:12.21 | SiNiquity | idon't remember |
| 14:12.27 | ProzaicMuze | I never got any achievements |
| 14:12.29 | SiNiquity | but I only explored dungeon 1 100% |
| 14:12.31 | ProzaicMuze | because the game sucks |
| 14:12.34 | SiNiquity | the other one was like 65% |
| 14:12.36 | Gifted | I just realized that you had the "beam tank" at the bottom of your tutorial. In theory, that should have all the steps required to figure out a beam. I'll hit it from that angle |
| 14:12.50 | ProzaicMuze | yeah, I have the beam tower and the beam tank |
| 14:12.54 | Helral|work | I just need to create a queue within my achievement display. so that it will display them one after the other. |
| 14:12.56 | Gifted | I was just trying to figure out when you said "Beam Model (Make sure you figure out which animation to reference whether it be birth, birth stand or death) > Beam Actor, Beam Attack Actor > Beam Effects" where those fields or sections were in the unit/actor/model/weapon/etc |
| 14:12.58 | ProzaicMuze | one is a chain and another is a beam > burst |
| 14:13.08 | ProzaicMuze | Ahh |
| 14:13.10 | Gifted | Yup, those should be enough of a resource to gut/learn from |
| 14:13.20 | ProzaicMuze | I was assuming you already looked at my stuff |
| 14:13.25 | ProzaicMuze | that's how I name my things |
| 14:13.30 | SiNiquity | Yea I just got explorer again |
| 14:13.30 | ProzaicMuze | what that actually is: |
| 14:13.35 | SiNiquity | tho def didn't explore 3 100% |
| 14:13.37 | SiNiquity | just 1 |
| 14:13.38 | ProzaicMuze | Models > Actor, Actor > Effects |
| 14:13.40 | Helral|work | hmmmm |
| 14:13.54 | Helral|work | ok so there is a bug with the explorer achievement. |
| 14:14.00 | Helral|work | ahhh I know what's wrong with it. |
| 14:14.08 | Helral|work | I forgot to check if you've already earned it. |
| 14:14.42 | Gifted | Well, that helps :) |
| 14:14.55 | SiNiquity | also, are you supposed to be able to see the waypoint from anywhere? |
| 14:15.02 | Helral|work | so if you explore only one dungeon level completely (100%) it will keep triggering until you've explored another dungeon level 100%. |
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| 14:15.11 | ProzaicMuze | I do what I can :) |
| 14:15.11 | SiNiquity | hell yea |
| 14:15.13 | SiNiquity | that's what I'm talking about |
| 14:15.21 | ProzaicMuze | Sixen 2.0? |
| 14:15.24 | SiNiquity | all for 1 and 1 for all |
| 14:15.25 | Helral|work | shouts aaaargh my eyes, I see 2 Sixen's |
| 14:15.53 | Helral|work | is vjeux finally transforming into Sixen? *roflol* |
| 14:17.45 | ProzaicMuze | so I just realized I can do a tutorial on markers and piercing missiles |
| 14:17.53 | ProzaicMuze | now that I've conquered this bad boy |
| 14:18.06 | ProzaicMuze | I've been sitting her shooting zerglings with bullets for 20mins now p |
| 14:18.08 | ProzaicMuze | Xp* |
| 14:18.13 | ProzaicMuze | should totally be a game! |
| 14:18.16 | ProzaicMuze | shooting gallery! |
| 14:19.53 | ProzaicMuze | aha! I should make a shooting gallery map! |
| 14:20.01 | ProzaicMuze | wait. . . then I gotta do 3rd person crap :( |
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| 14:21.20 | SiNiquity | lol did u make dungeon 4 impossible? -_- |
| 14:21.50 | SiNiquity | I found the waypoint but not even smart pathing can find a path ;[ |
| 14:25.21 | Repo | New map: http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/h4xx/. Captain Zestar. Tassadaritze (Manager/Author). Approved by sanktanglia. |
| 14:25.41 | ProzaicMuze | who is sanktanglia!? |
| 14:26.01 | nicoli_s | me |
| 14:26.09 | nicoli_s | this is my irc name |
| 14:26.16 | nicoli_s | sanktanglia is my everything else name |
| 14:28.00 | ProzaicMuze | ahh ok lol |
| 14:28.38 | nicoli_s | why do you ask? |
| 14:29.01 | ProzaicMuze | Because I hadn't seen a map approved by you before rofl |
| 14:29.13 | ProzaicMuze | I'm still not fully acquainted with the sc2mapster staff |
| 14:30.06 | nicoli_s | ahh |
| 14:33.10 | ProzaicMuze | I just barged my way in and demanded front page news! |
| 14:33.27 | SiNiquity | helral lol - 90.14% and still no way to the exit >_< |
| 14:33.34 | SiNiquity | that's just evil |
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| 14:34.00 | ProzaicMuze | I told you, that map sucks |
| 14:34.12 | ProzaicMuze | It's cruel! |
| 14:34.32 | SiNiquity | Also the "Unit - Biological" is partially cut off on my resolution/screen |
| 14:34.41 | SiNiquity | w/e resolution my windowed mode is, I forget |
| 14:35.16 | SiNiquity | I gikve |
| 14:35.38 | SiNiquity | back to figuring out why AIRequirement is some random empty string ;[ |
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| 14:38.46 | Gifted | Random question: When creating a new "model" or whatnot, is the selection box "Based on" known to limit what you can do with the item. For example (following Proziac's tutorial) where can I find out the difference in selecting "Building" and "Unit" for a model |
| 14:39.09 | Gifted | Is it merely the category they are placed in? Or will it have issues later on if I don't learn how to select the correct one? |
| 14:39.42 | ProzaicMuze | Yes and no |
| 14:39.54 | SiNiquity | f..rick |
| 14:40.22 | SiNiquity | there really isn't a way ;( |
| 14:40.24 | ProzaicMuze | Based on: gives you a template with a lot of the values already filled in. But it also sometimes limits the options, but rarely so. |
| 14:40.47 | Gifted | kk, good to know. (That's a good thing to keep in mind when I'm having to troubleshoot back if issues exist) |
| 14:40.50 | ProzaicMuze | ____ Type: is where the majority of limitations happen when you decide what kind of ____ it's going to be |
| 14:41.08 | Gifted | *nods* |
| 14:42.19 | Gifted | *blinks* Oh, is it essentially a Parent in an object oriented language? |
| 14:44.22 | ProzaicMuze | the type or the based on? |
| 14:44.28 | SiNiquity | so I thought I would solve my morphing problem by modeling a Gateway -> Warpgate |
| 14:44.56 | Gifted | "Based on" |
| 14:45.03 | Gifted | Type is rather simple.. Generic vs Foliage |
| 14:45.03 | SiNiquity | [problem: I want to "pause" a morph] |
| 14:45.54 | SiNiquity | I thought for sure if a pylon got destroyed while a gateway was being morphed |
| 14:45.54 | ProzaicMuze | erm |
| 14:45.57 | SiNiquity | it would pause |
| 14:46.00 | SiNiquity | but nope ;( |
| 14:46.10 | SiNiquity | it actually looks really funny lol |
| 14:46.26 | ProzaicMuze | I'd say Type is what the page looks like and based on is the predetermined text entered into that page. |
| 14:47.33 | ProzaicMuze | based on has does not affect anything outside of save you time by filling in redundant entries. |
| 14:47.40 | ProzaicMuze | lol does not* |
| 14:47.53 | ProzaicMuze | wow that was really bad grammer |
| 14:47.59 | ProzaicMuze | "Based on" doesn't do anything other than save you time |
| 14:48.00 | ProzaicMuze | There rofl |
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| 14:56.08 | SiNiquity | lol |
| 15:00.56 | ProzaicMuze | omg I can make artillery shells! |
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| 15:02.19 | immor7a1 | nice |
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| 15:10.31 | Azu | 2v2 wlock +1 |
| 15:14.17 | Azu | wc3 that is |
| 15:14.28 | Clord | can't wait that publish comes back... unless it is not improved XD |
| 15:16.22 | SiNiquity | never used it myself :P |
| 15:16.33 | SiNiquity | tho I'm hoping to eventually :D |
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| 15:18.13 | immor7a1 | can the camera ever be zoomed out to see beyond the map's playable region? |
| 15:19.10 | immor7a1 | nvm |
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| 15:19.36 | wOlfLinG | So, anyone got any good ideas for some heros i could make? Or abilitys |
| 15:19.47 | ProzaicMuze | ball lightning :D |
| 15:19.51 | ProzaicMuze | making that next today |
| 15:20.02 | ProzaicMuze | and yes immor7al |
| 15:20.08 | immor7a1 | yeai figured out how |
| 15:20.33 | wOlfLinG | Btw, i really like my curse of the void :D |
| 15:22.02 | ProzaicMuze | what be that? |
| 15:23.40 | wOlfLinG | Basically the target loses 5 hp per second. When it dies, it creates a psi storm at its position :D |
| 15:24.50 | ProzaicMuze | pretty cool :) |
| 15:25.11 | wOlfLinG | its pretty epic. Just cast CotV and attack it with my Assassin and all nearby units die :D |
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| 15:34.07 | wOlfLinG | so, what good heros should be put in? |
| 15:35.12 | ekcolnvkol | how about a hero that makes maps |
| 15:35.17 | ekcolnvkol | so you don't have to work so hard |
| 15:35.19 | ekcolnvkol | :o |
| 15:35.22 | Clord | lol |
| 15:35.23 | ekcolnvkol | intuitive! |
| 15:35.53 | ProzaicMuze | hax |
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| 15:36.56 | wOlfLinG | That is a brilliant idea :D |
| 15:37.39 | wOlfLinG | Just wondering, is it possible to make a map that randomly generates the terrain each game? |
| 15:37.47 | ProzaicMuze | so if rrowland gets on while I'm away, tell him I have his ability finished for him (bugs fixed as well) |
| 15:38.24 | Clord | wolf.. if it was |
| 15:38.30 | Clord | then that dungeon map would work differently |
| 15:38.31 | Clord | XD |
| 15:39.44 | ProzaicMuze | there |
| 15:40.21 | ProzaicMuze | afk, apparently other nameis registered :( |
| 15:45.44 | SiNiquity | ? |
| 15:46.19 | wOlfLinG | btw, if anyone wants to check out my map, just go here: http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/grand-arena/. Not much uplaoded yet, but im working on it :D |
| 15:48.42 | Gifted | Proziac, you there man? |
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| 15:50.43 | SiNiquity | aha, didn't realize ns was on this server |
| 15:51.24 | Gifted | Oh well, anywho, in Proziac's tutorial, I've been following it well, but got stuck on something trivial/stupid |
| 15:51.33 | Gifted | "Start by swapping the Photon Cannon model with Beam Tower, the model we created before." |
| 15:52.12 | Gifted | I know how to change out the model file to a new model file, but I don't know how to swap an existing associated "model" on a unit to a previously created model (which has the model file in it) |
| 15:53.19 | ProzaicMuze | Double click on the model, find the model field on the right. Double click that, find the name of whatever structure you made with the custom model. |
| 15:53.35 | ProzaicMuze | All this is done from the unit you are changing. |
| 15:54.29 | Gifted | So, go into Photon Cannon Copy -> Double Click on Model there (Photon Cannon Copy Model) |
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| 15:55.26 | ProzaicMuze | exactly |
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| 15:55.50 | ProzaicMuze | you can also do this through the Photon Cannon Copy actor |
| 15:55.55 | ProzaicMuze | and change the Art - Model |
| 15:56.14 | Gifted | Alright, that works, thanks :) |
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| 15:57.08 | Gifted | FYI, that is one of two parts in the tutorial I've had a snag in |
| 15:57.14 | ProzaicMuze | np |
| 15:57.26 | ProzaicMuze | what was the other? |
| 15:57.28 | RedWraith | ? |
| 15:57.31 | Gifted | I figured I might want to let you know the other, so if you want to work on the tutorial |
| 15:57.55 | RedWraith | I like how someone named 'Gifted' is talking about problems he had following a tutorial. |
| 15:57.59 | RedWraith | Nothing speaks greater irony. |
| 15:58.03 | Gifted | When associating the "sets" to the "Searches", when I clicked on Area+, I had no slot to enter "Fraction: 1" |
| 15:58.15 | Gifted | *grins at RedWraith* I hear ya |
| 15:58.23 | Gifted | Gifted's just my nick over on SC:L |
| 15:58.29 | Gifted | Figured I'd keep it consistent |
| 15:58.36 | RedWraith | I think I tried using a tutorial once... |
| 15:58.41 | ProzaicMuze | Well, first I'd have to ask how much experience you have with data editing. Since it's purposefully targeting experienced mappers. Both of those are fairly easy to understand after doing them before on your own, so at only 2 snags, I'd say the tutorial is pretty good :D |
| 15:58.55 | RedWraith | Zero. |
| 15:58.59 | ProzaicMuze | not you, bum |
| 15:59.02 | ProzaicMuze | you're a trigger junkie |
| 15:59.02 | Gifted | I'd agree, My level of skill is VERY trivial in terms of the data editor |
| 15:59.10 | ProzaicMuze | go program some more walls |
| 15:59.13 | SiNiquity | lol |
| 15:59.14 | RedWraith | I barely knew anything about the program. :O |
| 15:59.15 | Gifted | lol |
| 15:59.27 | RedWraith | Hey, they're ANTI-walls, okay? |
| 15:59.41 | Gifted | But, Prozaic, see my earlier note regarding the snag? |
| 15:59.45 | SiNiquity | Trigger junkie eh? Ever mess with any of the AI functions? |
| 15:59.47 | ProzaicMuze | I will make tutorials that are very easy to follow later on, btu I know that some of the more experienced mappers were struggling to make workable beams. That's what that particular tutorial was for |
| 15:59.52 | RedWraith | No. |
| 15:59.53 | SiNiquity | [in particular AIGetFirstMissingReq()] |
| 15:59.54 | ProzaicMuze | yeah, about the search area |
| 15:59.54 | RedWraith | AI is boring. |
| 15:59.55 | SiNiquity | damn |
| 15:59.55 | Gifted | "Start by swapping the Photon Cannon model with Beam Tower, the model we created before." |
| 15:59.56 | Beider | ProzaicMuze: Would you mind if I maybe did a video version of your tutorial (giving you credit of course)? |
| 15:59.59 | Gifted | kk |
| 16:00.02 | Gifted | Just wanted to let ya know |
| 16:00.08 | SiNiquity | I can't get AIGetFirstMissingReq to work for the life of me -_- |
| 16:00.17 | SiNiquity | kk.. what about some of the category functions? |
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| 16:00.29 | SiNiquity | like categoryIsFieldArray [or something like that] |
| 16:00.33 | SiNiquity | what's the "scope" parameter? |
| 16:00.36 | ProzaicMuze | The model swapping is something that is only a snag the first time. Now I assume any time I say model swap you'll know what to do, right? |
| 16:00.45 | Gifted | Yes |
| 16:00.52 | ProzaicMuze | Then it's good for now. |
| 16:00.52 | RedWraith | For what use could the AI be? Nothing. Good games rarely need a strong AI unless they're single player. |
| 16:00.59 | ProzaicMuze | But if you find something clearly wrong, let me know and I'll change it |
| 16:01.03 | Gifted | The field that doesn't exist in the step though, that's something that I might have done wrong |
| 16:01.05 | SiNiquity | Red: I'm not actually writing an AI |
| 16:01.08 | Gifted | Or whatnot, don't know |
| 16:01.14 | SiNiquity | I'm actually just trying to check if X has met all its requirements |
| 16:01.19 | SiNiquity | but there isn't a trigger for that [that I can find] |
| 16:01.25 | Gifted | But telling a person to enter data into a field that isn't there, that could be something to confuse another |
| 16:01.26 | RedWraith | What do you mean? |
| 16:01.33 | RedWraith | Met all its requirements? |
| 16:01.37 | Beider | SiNiquity: what are you trying to do? |
| 16:01.40 | Beider | explain it again |
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| 16:01.48 | ProzaicMuze | one sec gifted, I'll look at where it's at. |
| 16:01.56 | RedWraith | Could do player researches X or unit builds X, check for blahblah. |
| 16:02.01 | SiNiquity | I'm trying to check if a building has met all its requirements (ex: all requirements for Lair have been met) |
| 16:02.24 | SiNiquity | yea, tho I have requirements set up and I'd rather not duplicate it into the trigger too |
| 16:02.41 | RedWraith | Why would you need to check that? in case they're lost? |
| 16:02.43 | SiNiquity | DRY principle and all :) |
| 16:03.06 | Helral | vjeux you there? |
| 16:03.22 | SiNiquity | I want to do certain things once requirements have been met |
| 16:03.27 | RedWraith | pffft I couldn't care less about DRY. |
| 16:03.29 | SiNiquity | lol |
| 16:03.50 | SiNiquity | no but really, I just want to go "If all requirements for X have been met" |
| 16:03.59 | SiNiquity | and the best I've found is "AIGetFirstMissingReq" |
| 16:04.10 | SiNiquity | [in theory, if it returned nothing, then it's missing nothing] |
| 16:04.41 | SiNiquity | yet just going off base game data, AIGetFirstMissingReq(1, "UltraliskCavern") returns an empty string ;[ |
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| 16:05.58 | SiNiquity | [and given that the race isn't Zerg, I'd start off with a Hatchery as being a missing Req. Or Hive if it's not recursive] |
| 16:06.05 | RedWraith | isn't the ability |
| 16:06.06 | RedWraith | disabled |
| 16:06.10 | RedWraith | if the requirements aren't met? |
| 16:06.12 | RedWraith | Well, there you go. |
| 16:06.25 | SiNiquity | lol, yes, it is |
| 16:06.33 | RedWraith | Use that. |
| 16:06.44 | SiNiquity | hmm check if it's disabled |
| 16:07.01 | SiNiquity | I like |
| 16:07.03 | SiNiquity | brb |
| 16:07.43 | RedWraith | I'm a huge fan of the KISS principle, though. ;) |
| 16:07.47 | RedWraith | Keep it simple, stupid. :p |
| 16:08.30 | immor7a1 | i hate that principle |
| 16:08.35 | immor7a1 | its so efficient |
| 16:08.37 | wOlfLinG | Any way to store a heros exp in an array and then give it to a respawned hero when they respawn? |
| 16:08.37 | SiNiquity | :D |
| 16:08.37 | Daeden | im just reading data-beam-chain-w-o-missiles-intermediate-difficulty tutorial and it says |
| 16:08.38 | Daeden | New model named Beam 1 |
| 16:08.38 | Daeden | set model to MothershipPhotonBeam.mp3 |
| 16:08.42 | Daeden | is that a typo |
| 16:08.46 | Daeden | does it beam .m3? |
| 16:08.50 | Daeden | mean* |
| 16:08.56 | Daeden | does it mean .m3* |
| 16:09.27 | wOlfLinG | no way to call a units xp in a trigger? :( |
| 16:09.38 | AsaPhelps | maybe its telling you how to play some funky music for your beams |
| 16:10.00 | AsaPhelps | where's that tutorial daeden? I'm sure he meant .m3 |
| 16:10.08 | Daeden | http://forums.sc2mapster.com/development/tutorials/3888-data-beam-chain-w-o-missiles-intermediate-difficulty/ |
| 16:11.11 | Daeden | hes made mistake several times if it is a mistake nones corrected him on it tho so im not sure |
| 16:11.26 | Dustin | Jesus christ |
| 16:11.38 | Dustin | 40 Data Editor entry's for a fucking chain lightning spell... |
| 16:11.46 | Dustin | that's crazy |
| 16:13.02 | AsaPhelps | I'm sure you can make it with fewer |
| 16:13.22 | ProzaicMuze | @Daeden, if I made them .mp3's then yeah I'll fix those types. The "mistakes" you'll have to point out as I dont' see any as far as functionality. It works perfectly. |
| 16:13.43 | ProzaicMuze | And AsaPhelps, you certainly can. Read the comments between Riley and myself to see why I made it soo long |
| 16:14.15 | ProzaicMuze | The simplest chain is Weapon > Set > [Search+Dmg] > Set etc. |
| 16:14.27 | ProzaicMuze | But it's not as dynamic as the one I made |
| 16:14.33 | Dustin | I have been trying to get beam shit to work |
| 16:14.37 | Dustin | So this tut should help with that |
| 16:14.48 | AsaPhelps | I'm trying to learn beams myself |
| 16:14.58 | ProzaicMuze | If you want something easier and more specific just ask and I can help |
| 16:15.17 | ProzaicMuze | that tutorial is complex on purpose as it's aimed at mappers who have been having trouble making more advanced beam chains. |
| 16:15.24 | Dustin | I just need stuff to hlep me learn how stuff is setup in the data editor |
| 16:15.31 | AsaPhelps | is there an easy way to just attach a visual beam between two units? |
| 16:15.34 | Dustin | Instead of me swimming through fields for 8 hours |
| 16:15.40 | ProzaicMuze | And Daeden, can you point out the"mistaks" you were mentioning? |
| 16:15.49 | AsaPhelps | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:15.50 | AsaPhelps | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:15.50 | AsaPhelps | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:15.50 | AsaPhelps | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:15.50 | AsaPhelps | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:15.50 | AsaPhelps | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:15.50 | AsaPhelps | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:15.51 | AsaPhelps | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:15.51 | ProzaicMuze | With damage? or just a beam? |
| 16:15.55 | Daeden | section models tab |
| 16:15.56 | AsaPhelps | .mp3s |
| 16:15.57 | Dustin | Just a beam |
| 16:16.14 | Dustin | Ya i saw those to Asa, I was like...Sound models?! lol |
| 16:16.28 | ProzaicMuze | I typed up the tutorial in the middle of the night lmao |
| 16:16.39 | ProzaicMuze | .m3 and .mp3 is just too easy to mess upr ofl |
| 16:16.56 | ProzaicMuze | I've been fixing typos throughout the day yesterday |
| 16:17.06 | Daeden | nps its im just starting it im complete noob but im trying tutorial anyway just wasnt sure :p seems like good tutorial none less :) |
| 16:18.03 | ProzaicMuze | typos fixed |
| 16:18.05 | AsaPhelps | http://i49.tinypic.com/2e3ddvl.jpg that sums up my experience with beams |
| 16:18.15 | depthsofchaos | is there a way to declare a constant array ?:o |
| 16:18.27 | ProzaicMuze | LMAO that looks more like a storm! |
| 16:18.33 | depthsofchaos | without seting each element one on map start |
| 16:18.43 | ProzaicMuze | @depths - if RedWraith is around he can prolly answer that |
| 16:18.53 | Dustin | Depth |
| 16:19.01 | Dustin | Make a record |
| 16:19.04 | ProzaicMuze | and if you beam goes want, I can make a simple tutorial as an introductory to the complex beam tutorial. |
| 16:19.12 | ProzaicMuze | goers* |
| 16:19.17 | depthsofchaos | ah well k thanks |
| 16:19.22 | Dustin | You cant declare a constant array :( |
| 16:19.35 | Dustin | ProzaicMuze, do it :D |
| 16:19.37 | AsaPhelps | I think structures can attack without turrets but the unit just has to be in "front" of them |
| 16:19.41 | Dustin | Just a beam tut would be cool |
| 16:19.53 | depthsofchaos | i guess ill just fill it up on start cause i rly need to be bale to iterate through it |
| 16:19.54 | Dustin | Cause i saw the Beam Actos thing, not sure how it all works |
| 16:19.59 | depthsofchaos | with records thats not good |
| 16:20.01 | allenmelon | all the campaign missions and tds are hard... |
| 16:20.12 | Dustin | Hard = fun |
| 16:20.16 | allenmelon | or maybe i just suck that much at them |
| 16:20.25 | allenmelon | but sometimes hard = frustrating |
| 16:20.28 | AsaPhelps | if its too hard just edit the map to start with 50k minerals |
| 16:20.41 | allenmelon | haha, i did that once, but then it was way too easy lol |
| 16:20.53 | ProzaicMuze | it's a good way yo learn the towers before trying it for real rofl |
| 16:20.55 | allenmelon | i did that on a map meant for multiple players, |
| 16:20.57 | Dustin | I usually try to put difficultys in |
| 16:21.12 | ProzaicMuze | And Dustin/Asa/Daedon, I'll put up the beginner beams tutorial in a bit |
| 16:21.17 | Dustin | Ty man |
| 16:21.22 | ProzaicMuze | np |
| 16:21.23 | allenmelon | you guys try the helltd? |
| 16:21.29 | Dustin | I did |
| 16:21.31 | Dustin | It's a bitch |
| 16:21.34 | allenmelon | yeah |
| 16:21.37 | Dustin | Got pretty far though |
| 16:21.49 | allenmelon | right after the first air wave, you get owned with ground waves |
| 16:21.58 | allenmelon | its soo hard |
| 16:21.59 | AsaPhelps | which map is that |
| 16:22.03 | allenmelon | but that ones pretty fun |
| 16:22.08 | allenmelon | hell td |
| 16:22.09 | Clord | so you can lose in TD makes it too hard? |
| 16:22.10 | Clord | lol |
| 16:22.18 | AsaPhelps | is that the one with the lava |
| 16:22.22 | allenmelon | yeah |
| 16:22.41 | AsaPhelps | oh that one |
| 16:22.44 | AsaPhelps | I didn't like it that much |
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| 16:23.00 | AsaPhelps | I made it to like 15ish |
| 16:23.02 | ProzaicMuze | just made a dummy thread while I work on the tutorial. |
| 16:23.06 | Dustin | ProzaicMuze, Do you know if you can modify skills data with Attributes? |
| 16:23.14 | AsaPhelps | spammed the aoe buildings in the middle and aa for air |
| 16:23.37 | ProzaicMuze | As in. . . using Behavior Attributes? |
| 16:24.03 | Dustin | Yea |
| 16:24.16 | Dustin | I want to base spells on Attributes you have |
| 16:24.25 | Dustin | So it scales, isntead of me making 10000 effects and shit |
| 16:24.49 | Dustin | There's just shit like that missing from me finding it :( |
| 16:25.02 | Dustin | And I REALLY want to be able to modify attack priority based on behaviors |
| 16:25.09 | ProzaicMuze | I believe so, but I think you have to use triggers to get the scalar quality. |
| 16:25.17 | ProzaicMuze | I haven't looked into hero unit type data editing. |
| 16:25.31 | ProzaicMuze | After I finish the tutorial I can give it a look. |
| 16:25.55 | Dustin | That'd be awesome, casue i've been swimming in fields for days trying to figure out how to get it working |
| 16:27.33 | wOlfLinG | so im trying to make an item saving trigger by whenever a hero buys an item, it gets added to a variable. Then when a hero uses one, it gets removed. SSo im using an array called player items[15][20] (one for each player and the second array part is for each item). However, i don't know how to change each the place where each item goes |
| 16:27.36 | ProzaicMuze | The best thing to do is start by making abilities. |
| 16:27.40 | ProzaicMuze | liek spells |
| 16:27.54 | ProzaicMuze | Because abilities use ALL parts of the data editor |
| 16:28.04 | Clord | false |
| 16:28.10 | Clord | XD |
| 16:28.13 | Clord | got to say it ^^ |
| 16:28.16 | Dustin | Hmmm |
| 16:28.20 | ProzaicMuze | Clord. . . you dummy |
| 16:29.00 | Clord | nah... I'n captain truth |
| 16:29.01 | Clord | lol |
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| 16:29.25 | ProzaicMuze | you just wanna be smacked I wager |
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| 16:29.53 | Clord | I see mistake you did there |
| 16:30.10 | Daeden | got a realy anoying issue with my sc2 editor whenever i click on list boxs i get really really loud beep |
| 16:30.39 | Clord | oh it was wager.... carry on ^^ |
| 16:31.16 | ProzaicMuze | is confused by Clord |
| 16:31.27 | Clord | I did read it as "vager" XD |
| 16:31.49 | SiNiquity | mm k real quick, I know I asked this in the forums but never really got a good answer. Allow multiple. :o |
| 16:32.19 | Rommsteinz | Someone knows how to destroy a structure in Galaxy ? |
| 16:32.50 | SiNiquity | so I have parameter set to allow multiple. How do I get each member of that list? |
| 16:35.11 | SiNiquity | Rommsteinz: Unit - Destroy ? |
| 16:35.33 | SiNiquity | err Unit - Kill Unit |
| 16:35.43 | ProzaicMuze | sweet mother that's a long thread Helral |
| 16:36.01 | Rommsteinz | SiNiquity, I mean a structure, not a building. ^^ |
| 16:36.11 | SiNiquity | o lol |
| 16:36.11 | Rommsteinz | struct test { int a; }; |
| 16:36.13 | SiNiquity | as in record? |
| 16:36.14 | SiNiquity | ya |
| 16:36.27 | Rommsteinz | Yes |
| 16:36.36 | SiNiquity | I don't think you do :o |
| 16:36.38 | Dustin | I dont think you need to destroy records |
| 16:36.42 | Rommsteinz | I don't find how to destroy one correctly |
| 16:36.46 | Dustin | Grabage Collection my friend |
| 16:36.48 | SiNiquity | Garbage collection |
| 16:37.00 | Dustin | See, me and SiNiquity are on the same page here :P |
| 16:37.02 | SiNiquity | Dustin and I are on some trippy wavelength sync |
| 16:37.04 | SiNiquity | lol |
| 16:37.08 | Dustin | wtf dude lol |
| 16:37.18 | Rommsteinz | Oh ok |
| 16:37.21 | SiNiquity | ACXVSDFSDFASDF you can't predict that :o |
| 16:37.27 | Rommsteinz | So you think I don't need to destroy ? |
| 16:37.28 | SiNiquity | phew |
| 16:37.33 | Dustin | Badasses think alike. Truth. |
| 16:37.37 | SiNiquity | ^ |
| 16:37.50 | SiNiquity | Romm: no you shouldn't need to. |
| 16:37.58 | Dustin | Nah, it'll be fine |
| 16:38.07 | Rommsteinz | Ok, thanks dudes, I hope it's not another evil plan of our friend Blizzard |
| 16:38.08 | Rommsteinz | :D |
| 16:38.37 | Dustin | hehe |
| 16:39.43 | SiNiquity | tho I'm a bit disappointed, b/c I have a player array that's huge and wanted to zero out portions that weren't going to be used [ie if there's only 1 active player] |
| 16:39.50 | SiNiquity | and by zero out I mean delete |
| 16:40.01 | SiNiquity | but o well. |
| 16:40.34 | SiNiquity | ok, back to the "Allow Multiple"-mobile, quick robin! |
| 16:41.01 | SiNiquity | Where's my "for each parameter of multiple parameter passed in" trigger :\ |
| 16:41.11 | Dustin | Doesnt exist! |
| 16:41.40 | Repo | New map: http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/isolated-undergrowth/. Isolated Undergrowth. Airleagan (Manager/Author). Experimental. Approved by vjeux. |
| 16:41.46 | wOlfLinG | hero maps are so hard to make -.- |
| 16:41.57 | Dustin | You could set a parameter default option and if it's not that optino then add to an Int, then run your for each integer loop |
| 16:42.06 | wOlfLinG | Btw, who was it making the dota map? |
| 16:42.49 | vjeux | ProzaicMuze: here? |
| 16:43.16 | SiNiquity | dustin: I don't follow :\ |
| 16:43.39 | SiNiquity | I want to make a "StringIndexOf(str, char+)" |
| 16:43.46 | SiNiquity | and to return the earliest instance of char |
| 16:44.11 | Dustin | So you're trying to get the first letter of a string entered as a parameter? |
| 16:44.39 | SiNiquity | hmm I guess I could do it that awy |
| 16:44.56 | SiNiquity | I still want to figure out how to use allow multiple tho -_- lol |
| 16:45.32 | SiNiquity | so I could do StringIndexOf(str1, str2) and just use each char of str2 as the "char+" parameter |
| 16:45.35 | SiNiquity | so it works |
| 16:45.59 | Dustin | Hmm |
| 16:46.06 | Dustin | so you want two Parameters? |
| 16:46.29 | Dustin | Im confused lol |
| 16:48.05 | Dustin | So like... |
| 16:48.52 | Dustin | lv_String1 ="Hey my name is bob lv_Word1 StringIndexOf(lv_String1, lv_Word1) |
| 16:48.57 | Dustin | Damnit |
| 16:49.45 | Dustin | lv_String1 ="Hey my name is bob" lv_Word1 = "name" ; StringIndexOf(lv_String1, lv_Word1) = 3/name |
| 16:50.12 | SiNiquity | lol sorry, I made a mess of things |
| 16:50.27 | SiNiquity | ok, completely random function |
| 16:50.38 | SiNiquity | let's say I want to write Sum(int x+) |
| 16:50.56 | SiNiquity | where x+ is a parameter with the "Allow Multiple" option selected (like Combine Multiple Strings) |
| 16:51.11 | SiNiquity | and all I want to do is sum all the integers passed into the function |
| 16:51.14 | ProzaicMuze | I am vjeux |
| 16:51.30 | ProzaicMuze | gah, i was late lol |
| 16:51.53 | ProzaicMuze | Anyone know what vjeux wanted? |
| 16:51.55 | Dustin | Ohhh |
| 16:51.58 | Dustin | Let me check that out |
| 16:54.35 | vjeux|not-here | yeah |
| 16:54.42 | vjeux|not-here | plz update the tutorial listing |
| 16:54.44 | vjeux|not-here | with yours |
| 16:54.47 | vjeux|not-here | (cya) |
| 16:55.01 | ProzaicMuze | mmk |
| 16:55.04 | Dustin | Ok so |
| 16:55.07 | ProzaicMuze | I'll do that after making the 2nd tutorial |
| 16:55.29 | Dustin | Maybe if you use Arithmatic multiple with the multiple enabled on the array it'll work |
| 16:55.32 | Dustin | Im gonna test this |
| 16:56.38 | SiNiquity | Possibly, though ideally I'd like to access each individual member and do something myself with the data -- the sum function is just a simple, arbitrary function to illustrate my problem :) |
| 16:58.40 | ProzaicMuze | I'm going to be afk until I finish this tutorial. If Jcup or rrowland get on, tell them to send me an IRC pm. I have stuff for them. |
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| 17:05.09 | allenmelon | i cant find where to change the amount of starting minerals for hell td |
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| 17:07.47 | SiNiquity | argh |
| 17:08.07 | SiNiquity | excellent idea RedWraith, but no go :( |
| 17:09.11 | SiNiquity | orr maybe not. one last go! |
| 17:13.03 | Dustin | hmm |
| 17:13.08 | Dustin | What is you make it an array |
| 17:13.13 | Dustin | and allow multiple parameters |
| 17:13.24 | Dustin | Can you use Parameter[0][1] etc |
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| 17:14.21 | ctccromer | evenin everyone |
| 17:14.34 | SiNiquity | even if you could access an "allow multiple" parameter like an array, what's the length? :o |
| 17:14.38 | SiNiquity | evening |
| 17:14.39 | SiNiquity | :) |
| 17:15.16 | Dustin | Hmm |
| 17:15.24 | Dustin | you're right, this doesnt seem functional at all |
| 17:15.54 | ctccromer | so hey, i'm making an actual dialogue via a dialog |
| 17:16.07 | ctccromer | just making a dialog with labels and a "next" dialog button to go to the next label |
| 17:16.29 | ctccromer | whats the easiest way to trigger this? |
| 17:16.52 | ctccromer | make each label a dialog item variable (1, 2, etc) and booleans? |
| 17:17.46 | Dustin | Put all the labels at the same spot, then hide the ones you dont want to show |
| 17:17.54 | Dustin | then toggle their show/hide when you want them |
| 17:18.10 | ctccromer | hm |
| 17:18.45 | ctccromer | wouldnt i need booleans to say "next is clicked" and "lable 3 shown = true" and "label 4 shown = false" -> "hide label 3 and show label 4"? |
| 17:18.56 | ctccromer | i know thatll work but i'm curious if there's a simpler way |
| 17:19.23 | Dustin | You'll have to make a little system like that yes |
| 17:19.23 | Dustin | You can just do |
| 17:19.47 | Dustin | Variable First Page=1 LastPage=AmmountOfOptions |
| 17:20.42 | Dustin | Then make the next dialog Hide(Dialogitem[CurrentPage] Set Current Page = CurrentPage + 1, Show(DialogItem[CurrentPage] |
| 17:21.19 | Dustin | Then if you're current page = Max page, set it to FirstPage |
| 17:21.26 | ctccromer | oh i see, so make 1 integer for Current Page instead of a bunchof dialog item variables for each one |
| 17:21.35 | Dustin | Ya |
| 17:21.43 | ctccromer | awesome |
| 17:21.44 | Dustin | Make sure your dialogItems are in an array |
| 17:21.51 | Dustin | So you can refrence them like that |
| 17:22.24 | Alpha_vst | yeah |
| 17:23.04 | ctccromer | okay so i made an integer named Current Page |
| 17:23.28 | ctccromer | check Array and make Size the amount of labels....... +1? |
| 17:23.42 | ctccromer | i remember some tutorial i saw said something about arrays having to be the right amoutn +1 or something |
| 17:23.48 | Dustin | no |
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| 17:23.58 | ctccromer | alright so size = amount of pages |
| 17:24.01 | Dustin | Array[10] Acutally makes 11 |
| 17:24.03 | Dustin | 0-10 |
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| 17:24.07 | Dustin | Yes |
| 17:24.18 | ctccromer | ohh okay i get it |
| 17:24.36 | ctccromer | so when the first dialog displays |
| 17:24.39 | ctccromer | set it to 1 |
| 17:24.49 | ctccromer | then when each new one display, set it to modify: add 1? |
| 17:25.22 | Dustin | Yup |
| 17:25.40 | ctccromer | cool okay |
| 17:25.45 | ctccromer | still a little confused but i think i got it |
| 17:25.49 | Dustin | then have a check that if it currentpage is =to the max page, it resets it to page 1 |
| 17:26.05 | Dustin | Want me to make a little system real fast you can look at? |
| 17:26.12 | SiNiquity | [or hide the next button if you're doing next/previous] |
| 17:26.26 | SiNiquity | totally not following the conversation, so idk what's going on :) |
| 17:26.28 | SiNiquity | just caught the last big |
| 17:26.31 | SiNiquity | *bit |
| 17:26.41 | ctccromer | you dont have to make a system real quick |
| 17:26.47 | ctccromer | but im slow with this xD |
| 17:26.49 | ctccromer | okay so |
| 17:26.57 | ctccromer | my integer Current Page is Array size 5 |
| 17:27.03 | ctccromer | i have a trigger set |
| 17:27.04 | Dustin | If it'll help ya it's no problem :P |
| 17:27.22 | Dustin | You dont want your current page variable to be an array |
| 17:27.28 | Dustin | Unless it's for multiplayer |
| 17:27.30 | ctccromer | so that when the Player Unit (variable unit) enters within 3 of a point, the dialog displays with a label saying "Wait don't shoot!" |
| 17:27.37 | ctccromer | nah its singleplayer |
| 17:28.00 | ctccromer | so what do i set a variable after creating the dialog label "wait dont shoot!"? |
| 17:28.11 | ctccromer | if you want, i can upload the map real quick for you to look at |
| 17:29.07 | Dustin | Im just gonna make thsi sytem here quick with comments |
| 17:29.14 | ctccromer | haha alrighty |
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| 17:35.08 | Azu | they finally released 4.0 |
| 17:35.42 | ctccromer | 4.0? |
| 17:36.38 | nicoli_s | it released today |
| 17:36.44 | nicoli_s | 4.0 of iphone os |
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| 17:37.01 | Azu | ya |
| 17:37.06 | Azu | well |
| 17:37.13 | ctccromer | ah, i dislike apple |
| 17:37.17 | Azu | ive been updating iclarified every 30mins |
| 17:37.22 | Azu | :p |
| 17:37.22 | ctccromer | i have an LG Xenon |
| 17:37.39 | ctccromer | and a Zune HD :D |
| 17:37.42 | Azu | :P |
| 17:37.43 | RedWraith | RedWraith reporting in. |
| 17:37.48 | ctccromer | evenin sir |
| 17:37.58 | RedWraith | Evening? It's morning. |
| 17:38.04 | Azu | question is |
| 17:38.06 | ctccromer | it's 40 minutes past noon |
| 17:38.10 | Azu | should i install 4.0 |
| 17:38.15 | Azu | or wait for a jb then install.. |
| 17:38.48 | ctccromer | to undo my project being "expiramental" do i just "resubmit for approval"? |
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| 17:41.14 | SiNiquity | argghhhh lol |
| 17:41.15 | SiNiquity | I ALMOST HAD IT |
| 17:41.17 | SiNiquity | ALMOST |
| 17:41.19 | SiNiquity | IT WAS RIGHT THERE |
| 17:41.23 | SiNiquity | :((( |
| 17:41.26 | Jcup | i is jcup here me roar :3 |
| 17:41.30 | Jcup | hey guys |
| 17:41.42 | ctccromer | ello |
| 17:41.43 | SiNiquity | I forgot I have a Unit Type and not a Unit >_< |
| 17:41.53 | ctccromer | for what, sinquity? |
| 17:42.11 | SiNiquity | my function -- I'm trying to see if the requirements are met for an ability |
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| 17:42.41 | SiNiquity | tho the AIGetFirstMissingReq doesn't seem to work |
| 17:42.48 | SiNiquity | and then someone gave me the "duh" idea |
| 17:42.54 | SiNiquity | of just checking if the ability is disabled or not |
| 17:42.57 | SiNiquity | I was like aha GENIUS |
| 17:43.13 | SiNiquity | but then I realized I'm working with Unit Types and not Units, and you can't check disabled'ness for unit types :( |
| 17:43.31 | RedWraith | ,,, |
| 17:43.35 | RedWraith | Someone, you say? |
| 17:43.43 | SiNiquity | ^ |
| 17:44.06 | RedWraith | wait, what? unit types and not units? |
| 17:44.13 | RedWraith | What is it that you are doing, sir? |
| 17:44.19 | RedWraith | You should elaborate more. |
| 17:45.34 | Dustin | K, gonna test this bitch |
| 17:48.23 | RedWraith | What's yout event, siniquity? |
| 17:49.27 | ctccromer | Dustin: i'm semi-afk, family here for a little |
| 17:49.34 | ctccromer | PM me if you wanna tell me something |
| 17:49.51 | Dustin | kk |
| 17:50.28 | ProzaicMuze | Jcup, are you still looking for piercing bullets for yoru shotgun blast? |
| 17:50.42 | Jcup | omg yeah |
| 17:50.44 | Jcup | lol |
| 17:51.07 | Jcup | I just need to find a way to marker the unit cuz like cereal its retarted ha |
| 17:51.25 | ProzaicMuze | I've got a map for you, one sec |
| 17:51.35 | Jcup | Omg o.o i love you |
| 17:51.56 | Jcup | How did you approach it? |
| 17:52.16 | ProzaicMuze | check the map and you'll see. I made it for rrowland but read you needed it too |
| 17:52.26 | Jcup | haha yeah xD |
| 17:52.39 | Jcup | I was gonn ask rrowland to see if he figured it out |
| 17:52.48 | ProzaicMuze | he didn't |
| 17:52.52 | ProzaicMuze | I offered to help lol |
| 17:56.34 | ctccromer | Dustin: did the system work? |
| 17:56.45 | Dustin | Yup just ifnishing up comments |
| 17:57.41 | ctccromer | cool okay |
| 17:57.45 | ctccromer | i appreciate the help |
| 17:58.48 | Dustin | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/843426/Dialog%20System.SC2Map |
| 17:58.52 | Dustin | No problem man |
| 17:59.03 | Dustin | Let me know if anything in there confuses you |
| 18:03.17 | ctccromer | tried to ctrl+f9 it but cant open xD |
| 18:03.31 | Dustin | Yaa It's not opening for me now to.. |
| 18:03.44 | Dustin | one sec let me see what happend lol |
| 18:05.05 | ctccromer | nah its fine |
| 18:05.09 | ctccromer | <3 copy/paiste |
| 18:05.10 | Dustin | There |
| 18:05.20 | Dustin | it was some gay map options thing |
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| 18:05.45 | ctccromer | ahh |
| 18:05.56 | ctccromer | well i copy/pasted the variables and 2 triggers to my own map |
| 18:06.01 | ctccromer | so now i'm readin over e |
| 18:06.02 | Dustin | if you reset the map options to default it'll work to |
| 18:06.02 | ctccromer | m |
| 18:06.06 | Dustin | hehe k |
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| 18:15.49 | ctccromer | Dustin: what's the thing with the local variable l on the Init trigger? |
| 18:16.21 | Dustin | I putt a comment above where I sued it |
| 18:16.23 | Dustin | used |
| 18:16.28 | Dustin | I used Integer loop here to speed things up, creating however many dialogs are set to MaxPages. |
| 18:16.41 | ctccromer | dont really understand that but okay |
| 18:17.05 | Dustin | Instead of making 5 different calls to make Dialog Items |
| 18:17.34 | Dustin | I looped with the Inter I , 5 times and set the Array Variable to the Incremential I variable 1-5 |
| 18:18.10 | Dustin | That way I could do DialogItem[I] = "text blah" |
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| 18:18.21 | Dustin | And it's repalce I with 1,2,3,4,5 as it loops |
| 18:19.04 | Dustin | replaced* |
| 18:21.43 | depthsofchaos | is it possible to upload on mapster as private?:o |
| 18:22.27 | nicoli_s | depthsofchaos:not currently |
| 18:22.45 | nicoli_s | if youd like you could create a forum for your map and make it privte and post it there |
| 18:23.05 | depthsofchaos | ah ok thx |
| 18:25.34 | Alpha_vst | models suck :P |
| 18:25.45 | Alpha_vst | at least im getting some place |
| 18:29.27 | ctccromer | wheres the trigger for comments like you did, Dustin? |
| 18:29.42 | ctccromer | event i mean |
| 18:29.55 | Dustin | Right Click > Create New > Comment |
| 18:30.18 | ctccromer | k thanks |
| 18:30.29 | Beider | Does anyone know how starcraft handles transmitting of trigger data between players in a game |
| 18:31.07 | Beider | Like does it synch the variables and such, or does it just rely on telling each client what event occurs and trusting that each client stays in synced? |
| 18:31.10 | Beider | in sync* |
| 18:31.47 | Beider | I assume it just sends the events but can't be sure |
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| 18:36.13 | depthsofchaos | trigger events occur on the server |
| 18:36.21 | depthsofchaos | wouldnt make sense otherwise |
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| 18:36.48 | Dustin | Sends a request to the server |
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| 18:37.09 | Dustin | then the servers gotta verify it can then executes I think |
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| 18:38.05 | Clord | yeah it would not make sense those triggers would launch itself multiple times when there is more players |
| 18:38.21 | Clord | somehow it makes sure triggers are used right |
| 18:39.12 | depthsofchaos | still this validation system takes way too long :/ |
| 18:39.17 | depthsofchaos | thats why games are so slow |
| 18:39.47 | depthsofchaos | cause the client waits for the response |
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| 18:41.57 | EternalWraith | Just thought I`d tell everyone.. |
| 18:41.59 | EternalWraith | That... |
| 18:42.27 | depthsofchaos | oh, a coming out |
| 18:42.33 | EternalWraith | The beta is back up!! |
| 18:42.38 | RedWraith | -- |
| 18:43.07 | RedWraith | LIES AND SLANDER |
| 18:43.08 | RedWraith | >:[ |
| 18:43.10 | depthsofchaos | did he really do that |
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| 18:48.12 | Alpha_vst | model number 2 done |
| 18:48.37 | Alpha_vst | weeeeee |
| 18:49.08 | Alpha_vst | static models are kinda fun |
| 18:50.57 | depthsofchaos | then make me some xD |
| 18:51.34 | Alpha_vst | lol |
| 18:51.41 | Alpha_vst | did you see my wall :P |
| 18:52.04 | depthsofchaos | nope is it like a giant block ?:o |
| 18:52.09 | Alpha_vst | http://i49.tinypic.com/ek5o9i.jpg |
| 18:52.14 | Alpha_vst | lol pretty much |
| 18:52.29 | depthsofchaos | you got talent, now make me bridge parts xD |
| 18:52.48 | depthsofchaos | how did you apply the textures btw? |
| 18:52.54 | depthsofchaos | alignment |
| 18:53.07 | Alpha_vst | uv unwrap |
| 18:53.25 | Alpha_vst | people did a lot of help for me in here yesterday :P |
| 18:53.34 | Alpha_vst | this is my 2nd day using this shit |
| 18:53.45 | RedWraith | 3ds max is all one needs to make models with animations for Starcraft 2, right? |
| 18:53.50 | depthsofchaos | im good at modeling just horribad at texturing :o |
| 18:53.55 | Alpha_vst | yes |
| 18:54.10 | RedWraith | well, obviously photoshop for textures, but other than that I mean. |
| 18:54.58 | RedWraith | alrighty |
| 18:55.10 | Alpha_vst | yeah |
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| 18:55.31 | Triceron | Ahoy mateys |
| 18:57.12 | Alpha_vst | howdy |
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| 18:57.26 | Alpha_vst | my 2nd model is more advanced :P |
| 18:57.33 | Triceron | show |
| 18:57.40 | Alpha_vst | im doing the texture |
| 18:57.42 | Alpha_vst | right now |
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| 18:57.56 | Triceron | what is it |
| 18:58.25 | Alpha_vst | its my point |
| 18:58.31 | Alpha_vst | marker thingy |
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| 18:58.59 | Alpha_vst | its a party |
| 18:58.59 | heysparky | howdy folks |
| 18:59.40 | Triceron | Ahoy |
| 18:59.53 | zedrone_ | @Slypoos : hi, you say about my "burrow issue" on the forum it link to the footprint, any idea what to change to make it work ? |
| 18:59.57 | RedWraith | There can be no parties without heysparky, or at least balloons. |
| 19:00.19 | Alpha_vst | http://i49.tinypic.com/2rzdq1v.jpg no texture yet |
| 19:00.23 | Alpha_vst | its the white thingy |
| 19:02.42 | heysparky | aw shucks |
| 19:03.30 | Alpha_vst | ? |
| 19:05.06 | Alpha_vst | new model look good yes/no? |
| 19:05.33 | zedrone_ | the with ring on the floor ? |
| 19:05.39 | zedrone_ | white |
| 19:05.56 | Alpha_vst | yeah i am texturing it :P |
| 19:06.01 | depthsofchaos | you could have used a decal:p |
| 19:06.08 | Repo | New map: http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/emperors-flight/. Emperor's Flight. Wunterwaffen (Manager/Author). Approved by xhatix. |
| 19:06.08 | zedrone_ | yes |
| 19:06.27 | zedrone_ | wy use a model if he has no "volume" |
| 19:07.03 | Alpha_vst | fuck decals |
| 19:07.10 | Triceron | lol |
| 19:07.47 | zedrone_ | nice open minded and very clever note, but ...what else ? |
| 19:08.06 | zedrone_ | (dont answer capucino) |
| 19:09.09 | ProzaicMuze | give the white think an outline |
| 19:09.18 | ProzaicMuze | it fits the theme and would make it pop |
| 19:09.20 | ProzaicMuze | thing* |
| 19:10.10 | Alpha_vst | im doing the texture right now 0.o |
| 19:10.40 | zedrone_ | ProzaicMuze : at the end your "unit" solution add more and more issue.. i'm back at searching how to make footprint / collide works |
| 19:10.54 | zedrone_ | =( |
| 19:12.19 | zedrone_ | and i maybe have an idea, and you will be able to tell me if it's possible ^^ (i thinkp |
| 19:12.32 | ProzaicMuze | :( |
| 19:12.33 | ProzaicMuze | sorry Xp |
| 19:13.07 | heysparky | what's this about burrowing and footprint? |
| 19:13.20 | Alpha_vst | what are you trying to do zedrone_ ? |
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| 19:13.29 | zedrone_ | http://forums.sc2mapster.com/development/map-development/3909-burrow-movemement-unded-structure-if-not-lowered/#p3 |
| 19:13.33 | zedrone_ | still the same thing |
| 19:13.33 | zedrone_ | =) |
| 19:13.39 | zedrone_ | from yesterday |
| 19:13.58 | depthsofchaos | i rly dont get how is this so hard :o |
| 19:14.10 | zedrone_ | try... |
| 19:14.27 | zedrone_ | building dont use the collide flags |
| 19:14.41 | depthsofchaos | they do rofl |
| 19:14.44 | depthsofchaos | they are units |
| 19:14.46 | zedrone_ | ... |
| 19:14.53 | heysparky | it might mess with the damage elsewhere, but have you tried making the unburrowed supply depot not a Structure (under Attributes) |
| 19:15.15 | zedrone_ | I spend lot of time on that depth, just try, you 'll see i'm right |
| 19:15.24 | depthsofchaos | got no time right now |
| 19:15.40 | zedrone_ | lol |
| 19:15.58 | heysparky | heya depths! sorry I disappeared yesterday, had guests |
| 19:16.23 | zedrone_ | you just say it's easy =) ...and really it take 2 minute to make a test an see that it doesnt work as intended. totaly counter -intuitive |
| 19:16.30 | depthsofchaos | hi np |
| 19:16.40 | Alpha_vst | zedrone_: they have a flag for that |
| 19:16.43 | Alpha_vst | LOL |
| 19:16.44 | depthsofchaos | building use flags i dont have to test that part |
| 19:17.06 | heysparky | zedrone: did you try the structure attribute? |
| 19:17.37 | Dustin | I thought you could jsut change that buildings pathing footprint to allow burrowed unti collision |
| 19:17.54 | zedrone_ | remove the flag of the structure, you still can not walk over it... flag are useless on structure |
| 19:18.07 | zedrone_ | Dustin : how ? |
| 19:18.09 | zedrone_ | i try |
| 19:18.40 | heysparky | zedrone, are you sure you're talking about hte same thing I'm talking about? |
| 19:18.53 | depthsofchaos | http://img293.imageshack.us/img293/7761/bridgesss.jpg sparky thats how i did it btw ^^ |
| 19:19.01 | zedrone_ | the lowered supply had a 2*2 footprint (underground) |
| 19:19.16 | depthsofchaos | now i can do pretty much all the rest of the things all i need is time :o sometime |
| 19:19.58 | zedrone_ | (to many discussion at once sparky ^^) |
| 19:20.50 | heysparky | wow, that looks just like the game, depths! NICE |
| 19:21.39 | zedrone_ | what you means by "try the structure attibute" ? |
| 19:21.54 | Alpha_vst | zedrone_: |
| 19:21.58 | Alpha_vst | FieldSupply Depot (Lowered) |
| 19:21.59 | Alpha_vst | Movement - CollideBurrow, Ground, Structure |
| 19:22.04 | Alpha_vst | remove the collide |
| 19:22.07 | Alpha_vst | of burrow |
| 19:22.11 | Alpha_vst | done |
| 19:22.11 | zedrone_ | already done |
| 19:22.14 | zedrone_ | no effect |
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| 19:22.38 | Alpha_vst | then do it on the supply depot also |
| 19:22.38 | heysparky | zedrone, on the unit, there'll be a field called Attributes |
| 19:22.47 | zedrone_ | and i want that burrowed units collide with burrowed supply =) |
| 19:22.52 | heysparky | the tooltip says something about armor, but it's much more than that |
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| 19:23.00 | heysparky | (what exactly, I have no idea) |
| 19:23.18 | heysparky | but one of the attributes you can assign is 'Structure' |
| 19:23.26 | heysparky | uncheck it, see if that fixes |
| 19:23.55 | heysparky | NOW... it may mess with how the supply depot takes damage... so, be forewarned |
| 19:23.59 | zedrone_ | i give a try |
| 19:24.00 | zedrone_ | brb |
| 19:24.45 | Triceron | that pic reminds me of kids games with all the multi colored balls |
| 19:25.01 | zedrone_ | no effect sparky |
| 19:25.12 | depthsofchaos | in this game you play with your own balls |
| 19:25.13 | zedrone_ | absolutly nothing change |
| 19:25.42 | depthsofchaos | give collision flag ground 05 to lowered stuff |
| 19:25.47 | depthsofchaos | and give it to the roach as well |
| 19:25.49 | depthsofchaos | fixd |
| 19:25.51 | zedrone_ | i try that too |
| 19:25.55 | zedrone_ | dont work |
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| 19:27.12 | zedrone_ | i really try many thing, nothing seams to work. i'm convince now that the solution his in the footprint... but cant manage to understand how to make a footprint 2x2 (contour + underground) |
| 19:27.49 | heysparky | well, I have a goofy workaround for you for the supply depot |
| 19:28.02 | zedrone_ | as footprint part of the data editor dont let you see existing one, it's hard to guess how it work |
| 19:28.07 | heysparky | if you make it a unit and hten tell it to hold position |
| 19:28.10 | heysparky | it will obstruct |
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| 19:28.22 | heysparky | oh wait |
| 19:28.36 | zedrone_ | it's the solution that Muze propose yesterday |
| 19:28.43 | heysparky | well, no, that might work |
| 19:29.00 | heysparky | why not do that? |
| 19:29.19 | zedrone_ | it work, but the supply abilitie to lower / raised wont work anymore |
| 19:29.42 | zedrone_ | and the fast that the supply is now a immobile unit make a lot of other stuff go wrong |
| 19:29.50 | zedrone_ | fact |
| 19:29.53 | zedrone_ | not fast ^^ |
| 19:30.58 | Alpha_vst | well i got it to work |
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| 19:31.52 | Alpha_vst | yeah |
| 19:32.04 | Alpha_vst | but only worta |
| 19:32.07 | Alpha_vst | sorta |
| 19:32.11 | zedrone_ | ? |
| 19:32.27 | Alpha_vst | lol |
| 19:32.41 | heysparky | that sounds like the events were messed up, zedrone |
| 19:32.49 | heysparky | the morph events for hte burrowing |
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| 19:33.34 | zedrone_ | for the "unit" workaround, it mess up a lot of thing, not only event. i need a "legit" solution =) |
| 19:33.42 | `3ICE | Hackx lives in Novi, Michigan |
| 19:36.07 | immor7a1 | is there a way to install SC2 on a new computer and getting it updated? cuz it doesnt seem to want to install patch 15 on my laptop |
| 19:36.30 | Alpha_vst | you dont need it |
| 19:36.35 | immor7a1 | oh |
| 19:36.51 | heysparky | ah |
| 19:36.53 | heysparky | what about this |
| 19:36.56 | Alpha_vst | what you wont be able to get on bnet? |
| 19:36.58 | Alpha_vst | lol |
| 19:37.11 | immor7a1 | so if i were to take maps im working on from this computer and put it on my laptop, the versions will be compatible? |
| 19:37.11 | heysparky | no footprint for either burrowed or unburrowed |
| 19:37.17 | heysparky | does that (partially) work? |
| 19:38.10 | heysparky | actually, describe what you're trying to accomplish |
| 19:38.16 | heysparky | in gameplay terms |
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| 19:38.38 | zedrone | http://forums.sc2mapster.com/development/map-development/3909-burrow-movemement-unded-structure-if-not-lowered/#p3 |
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| 19:39.08 | heysparky | okay...try this then |
| 19:39.16 | heysparky | remove all footprints |
| 19:39.48 | zedrone | I want it to work the "logic" way. burrow unit CAN move under building, but CANT move under lowered building(burrowed) |
| 19:40.08 | heysparky | thinking... |
| 19:40.26 | heysparky | I'm not sure enough about how footprints work to get that squared away |
| 19:41.01 | immor7a1 | ok so where do i get the exe for starcrat editor? |
| 19:41.08 | immor7a1 | cuz it didnt show up when i dl'd sc2 for my laptop |
| 19:41.18 | redmarine | Update the game |
| 19:41.44 | immor7a1 | it wont let me patch it |
| 19:41.51 | redmarine | The editor got implemented in patch 13 if I remembered correctly |
| 19:42.01 | redmarine | Firewall? |
| 19:42.09 | immor7a1 | yea i think it might be firewall |
| 19:42.16 | immor7a1 | but im telling windows to unblock so |
| 19:42.16 | redmarine | Then fix it |
| 19:42.17 | immor7a1 | idk |
| 19:43.11 | SiNiquity | RedWraith:: <3 |
| 19:43.27 | immor7a1 | wtfmate |
| 19:43.33 | immor7a1 | its in the exceptions list |
| 19:43.37 | immor7a1 | i might turn off my firewall |
| 19:43.49 | SiNiquity | lol probably same problem I had |
| 19:44.00 | SiNiquity | Open up IE, see if it's in offline mode |
| 19:44.04 | redmarine | How is the updater behaving? |
| 19:44.27 | redmarine | Since the UI of the updater doesn't change |
| 19:44.28 | SiNiquity | [no idea how the heck my IE got put in offline mode, but that kept me from patching] |
| 19:45.22 | SiNiquity | sounds stupid but that fixed it for me. Weird eh |
| 19:45.50 | Alpha_vst | lol |
| 19:46.09 | SiNiquity | i know, esp since I can't remember the last time I even opened IE |
| 19:53.10 | immor7a1 | idk |
| 19:53.17 | immor7a1 | i turned off my firewall and ie is not in offline |
| 19:53.21 | immor7a1 | we'll see if it likes it this time |
| 19:53.46 | SiNiquity | Anyone know what "Nested Iteration Detected" implies? :o |
| 19:54.17 | immor7a1 | probably checks to see if theres a loop inside of another action |
| 19:54.21 | immor7a1 | ? |
| 19:55.05 | SiNiquity | I guess. Why is that bad tho ;o |
| 19:55.19 | immor7a1 | oh its an error? |
| 19:55.23 | SiNiquity | 00:00:00.00 Running gt_InitializeUI_Func (Event: Map Initialization) |
| 19:55.25 | SiNiquity | 00:00:00.00 Trigger Error in 'gt_InitializeData_Func': Nested iteration detected |
| 19:55.26 | SiNiquity | 00:00:00.00 Trigger Error in 'gt_InitializeData_Func': Nested iteration detected |
| 19:55.28 | SiNiquity | 00:00:00.00 Running gt_InitializeData_Func (Event: Map Initialization) |
| 19:55.52 | immor7a1 | did you divide by 0? |
| 19:55.57 | SiNiquity | 0 times :O |
| 19:55.59 | SiNiquity | maybe that's the problem |
| 19:56.28 | SiNiquity | 0(/0) = 0/0 = ?!?!?! |
| 19:58.06 | immor7a1 | .999 repeating = 1 |
| 19:59.09 | SiNiquity | And 0 = 0.0 :o |
| 20:00.08 | Alpha_vst | NO WAY |
| 20:00.36 | SiNiquity | you ever encounter anything like that? ;o |
| 20:01.27 | zedrone | if someone wanna try to make it work , link to my test file : |
| 20:01.28 | zedrone | http://www.megaupload.com/?d=WECCELSE |
| 20:01.42 | zedrone | it also has my Fear ability in it |
| 20:05.51 | Dustin | Fucking mega upload |
| 20:07.15 | Dustin | You dont have any triggers |
| 20:07.35 | Dustin | Oh it's not localized |
| 20:07.40 | Dustin | I thought blizzard fixed that shit |
| 20:08.02 | Dustin | SiNiquity, let me see the trigger that's in question |
| 20:08.03 | ProzaicMuze | gosh where is rrowland, that bum |
| 20:08.20 | zedrone | dustin ? |
| 20:09.11 | Dustin | Nice, zed, you finnally fix how to let burrowed dudes go under buildings? |
| 20:09.22 | zedrone | no |
| 20:09.23 | zedrone | =) |
| 20:09.40 | zedrone | it's not working =) |
| 20:10.10 | Dustin | I just went under a supply depot that's lowered |
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| 20:10.15 | zedrone | yes |
| 20:10.21 | Dustin | oh but I guess I could do that normally huh |
| 20:10.21 | zedrone | that's standard |
| 20:10.24 | zedrone | =) |
| 20:10.46 | zedrone | the only thing that work in my map is the Fear ability =) |
| 20:11.16 | Dustin | The fear ability is pretty nice |
| 20:11.23 | zedrone | it's a test document where i try lot of thing, but the lowered/raised and burrow // unburrow thing make me crazy |
| 20:11.42 | zedrone | need to make the sound louder ^^ and it will be ok |
| 20:12.05 | Sixen | Dustin |
| 20:12.08 | Sixen | I'm going to QQ. |
| 20:12.15 | Dustin | No QQing! |
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| 20:12.52 | Dustin | Well maybe QQing, but I cant get my phone to work as a webcam :( so we'll ahve to change the format of the show to like audio only untill i get a camera :P |
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| 20:13.47 | arepakiller | hey |
| 20:13.56 | arepakiller | I'm new in map edit |
| 20:14.30 | zedrone | welcome to a world of pain and joy |
| 20:14.37 | arepakiller | right now im making a melee map and i need someone to test just to hear some feedback |
| 20:14.51 | arepakiller | is not complete |
| 20:14.56 | Sixen | I'm fine witht hat :P |
| 20:15.06 | arepakiller | ok |
| 20:15.14 | `3ICE | I look fine in a hat too! :) |
| 20:15.20 | arepakiller | lol |
| 20:15.23 | zedrone | (-_-) |
| 20:15.27 | Dustin | K, start compiling some stuff you want to talk about and ill do the same |
| 20:15.32 | Sixen | Alright :) |
| 20:15.44 | Dustin | :D |
| 20:16.10 | Sixen | brb right now though ;) |
| 20:16.13 | zedrone | arepakiller -> post link to picture / map |
| 20:16.52 | arepakiller | i already uploaded the file |
| 20:17.08 | arepakiller | but |
| 20:17.27 | arepakiller | im not sure if you want to open it |
| 20:17.45 | zedrone | ?? |
| 20:17.50 | zedrone | post a picture =) |
| 20:17.51 | arepakiller | http://uploading.com/files/948623ef/Waterwold%2B%25284v4%2529.SC2Map/ |
| 20:18.05 | arepakiller | is gonna look bad |
| 20:18.09 | arepakiller | on |
| 20:18.19 | Dustin | Filedropper.com people |
| 20:18.19 | arepakiller | the galaxy edit |
| 20:18.31 | Dustin | Stop with the shitty upload places :P |
| 20:18.42 | arepakiller | because the terrain is a bit under the water |
| 20:18.49 | arepakiller | i changed the height |
| 20:19.00 | arepakiller | and changed the water properties |
| 20:19.26 | arepakiller | if you want to open it on the |
| 20:19.29 | arepakiller | game |
| 20:19.46 | arepakiller | so you can really see the map |
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| 20:21.38 | Alpha_vst | i had to redo my texture :( |
| 20:22.08 | arepakiller | so.....mmmm...... is it any good? |
| 20:23.12 | arepakiller | hi? |
| 20:23.58 | arepakiller | =( |
| 20:24.02 | zedrone | just finish to download, i open .. |
| 20:24.14 | arepakiller | ok =D |
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| 20:27.56 | zedrone | i'm not really a fan of the concept. half underwater just make it more hard to "read". and i dont really understand the global layout... |
| 20:28.43 | Dustin | Wait |
| 20:28.48 | Dustin | Is it souposed to be melee? |
| 20:29.01 | zedrone | i'm not sure |
| 20:29.03 | zedrone | ^^ |
| 20:29.04 | zedrone | =) |
| 20:29.15 | zedrone | no spawn location |
| 20:29.21 | arepakiller | im doing it with that purpose |
| 20:29.46 | arepakiller | but first im trying to make the terrain |
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| 20:30.18 | zedrone | start by designing you map with pen and paper |
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| 20:30.28 | zedrone | it's the best way to do it |
| 20:30.34 | arepakiller | mm thx for that tip |
| 20:30.52 | arepakiller | i knopw right now is a mess |
| 20:30.54 | zedrone | --; |
| 20:31.26 | zedrone | right now it's more an idea than a map. |
| 20:31.47 | arepakiller | the mid is the only way to move between the two sides |
| 20:32.11 | arepakiller | i want to make like 2 islands and the sides to high yield minerals |
| 20:32.31 | arepakiller | i mean for high yield minerals |
| 20:32.50 | Alpha_vst | how do i get team colors on my models? |
| 20:33.38 | zedrone | you place too much identical doodoads next to each other. on region with one type of thing syndrome. |
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| 20:34.24 | zedrone | dont know Alpha, but usually it's with a special layer in the mapping |
| 20:34.41 | arepakiller | so i should separate the doodoads and mix so it doesnt get repetitive? |
| 20:34.42 | zedrone | a mask, or a special shader |
| 20:36.07 | zedrone | arekiller : for me the main issue with you map is that I wont play on it, because i can't "read" fast.. in RTS you need "clean" layout for parsing things |
| 20:36.51 | zedrone | with water all over, you cant understand clearly the map / unit placement etc. |
| 20:36.52 | arepakiller | my original idea was to leave the land over the water level |
| 20:36.59 | arepakiller | and |
| 20:37.11 | arepakiller | the kind of bridge |
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| 20:37.31 | arepakiller | to be a bit under the water level |
| 20:38.09 | arepakiller | but while i was doing it i got other ideas |
| 20:38.19 | arepakiller | and added everything |
| 20:38.27 | zedrone | that's why you need to start with a pen and a paper =) |
| 20:39.06 | arepakiller | i will try it to redo it and stick to my original idea |
| 20:39.26 | arepakiller | are you usually around here? |
| 20:40.17 | zedrone | jsut post on the forum for map advice. you will get more response than here =) |
| 20:40.44 | arepakiller | ok thx |
| 20:41.43 | arepakiller | well i gtg i will try to do something more......mmmm...mm... fine |
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| 20:44.18 | booneyTunes | Hello? |
| 20:44.42 | Dustin | hi? |
| 20:44.51 | Krakarn | hey? |
| 20:44.52 | booneyTunes | just seeing if anyone was alive |
| 20:45.12 | booneyTunes | seemed like i was in the wrong place. no chatter |
| 20:45.21 | zedrone | argh... help im diying |
| 20:45.21 | Krakarn | hey ho |
| 20:45.22 | Krakarn | let's go |
| 20:45.38 | zedrone | call 911 |
| 20:47.04 | booneyTunes | i been wondering when does beta phase II come out> |
| 20:47.14 | depthsofchaos | does anyone know a program to convert blender files to 3ds max?:o |
| 20:48.03 | Krakarn | on their site it says a couple of weeks before release, and the release is 27:th of july |
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| 20:48.58 | Vulfe | Woosh! |
| 20:49.05 | booneyTunes | so maybe on the first |
| 20:49.16 | Krakarn | thats like a whole month |
| 20:49.21 | Sixen | Beta Phase 2 will be "early July" |
| 20:49.33 | Vulfe | Just in time for me to be taking courses at college |
| 20:49.35 | Vulfe | wooo |
| 20:49.38 | Sixen | heh |
| 20:49.41 | Krakarn | im thinking maximum of two weeks :) |
| 20:50.10 | Vulfe | that's kind of a shame |
| 20:50.11 | Vulfe | imo |
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| 20:50.58 | Vulfe | How many frames per second does the SC2 engine use? |
| 20:51.38 | Vulfe | Does anyone know? |
| 20:52.00 | Alpha_vst | ctrl alt f |
| 20:52.02 | zedrone | Depth |
| 20:52.12 | zedrone | you need to use a "standard export format |
| 20:52.14 | zedrone | like OBJ |
| 20:52.27 | zedrone | export your file from blender using OBJ |
| 20:52.31 | depthsofchaos | but i dont have blender installed :/ |
| 20:52.33 | zedrone | import it in max |
| 20:52.35 | Alpha_vst | lol |
| 20:52.41 | depthsofchaos | do you ?:o |
| 20:52.45 | zedrone | no |
| 20:53.02 | depthsofchaos | meh i guess ill download it :/ |
| 20:53.03 | Hati | early july ? |
| 20:53.06 | depthsofchaos | thx |
| 20:53.07 | Alpha_vst | install blender? |
| 20:53.17 | Repo | New map: http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/wwm-khazr/. Whack With MULE. khazr (Manager/Author). Approved by xhatix. |
| 20:53.37 | Repo | New map: http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/island-temple/. Island Temple. GoldGod (Manager/Author). Experimental. Approved by xhatix. |
| 20:53.38 | depthsofchaos | bledner -> 3d modeling program |
| 20:53.41 | depthsofchaos | blender |
| 20:54.01 | depthsofchaos | and i realized someone made a complete mesh pack in it for the game im making |
| 20:54.33 | Hati | there's export in blender to 3ds |
| 20:55.05 | depthsofchaos | i know but i dont have blender...yet |
| 20:55.11 | Hati | install it ... |
| 20:55.18 | Hati | it's 50mb |
| 20:55.19 | Hati | or less |
| 20:55.32 | Hati | http://www.blender.org/download/get-blender/ |
| 20:56.02 | depthsofchaos | oh i thought its 1gb like max thx :p |
| 20:56.22 | Hati | no it is not bunch of unnecessary tutorial stuff :x |
| 20:57.10 | Vulfe | lame |
| 20:57.13 | Vulfe | is blender easy to use? |
| 20:57.27 | Vulfe | I'm only familiar with one really obscure editor |
| 20:57.41 | Hati | yeah |
| 20:57.44 | Hati | blender is easy to use |
| 20:57.51 | Vulfe | Reaaally |
| 20:57.53 | Vulfe | Cool. |
| 20:57.54 | Hati | has some things different than 3dsmax |
| 20:58.05 | Hati | but mostly menues |
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| 20:58.56 | zedrone | sometime as counter intuitive as GE ... (i never use a recent version, so I think it changed a lot) |
| 20:58.58 | Vulfe | Hmm |
| 20:58.59 | Vulfe | Cool. |
| 20:59.01 | Vulfe | I'll look into it |
| 20:59.16 | Vulfe | Could add to my mapping skills |
| 20:59.29 | Hati | Alpha version of blender (2.51 iirc) |
| 20:59.33 | Vulfe | and add more things for me to do x.x |
| 20:59.37 | Hati | is actually totally different than 2.49 |
| 20:59.54 | Vulfe | alpha version? |
| 20:59.56 | Hati | but it's mostly stable & has higher performance |
| 20:59.58 | Vulfe | that's interesting |
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| 21:00.06 | Hati | http://www.blender.org/development/release-logs/blender-250/ |
| 21:00.29 | Vulfe | I have a mapping question |
| 21:00.51 | Vulfe | The radar behavior contains fields for an icon and tooltip, but the bahavior is hidden |
| 21:01.04 | Vulfe | and the sensor tower just has a passive button |
| 21:01.04 | zedrone | professionnaly i dont use blender, so i dont take the time to seriously look into it, but from 3D forums comment, i'll say it's now a pretty good soft, specialy for a free one ! |
| 21:01.16 | Vulfe | so, do those fields actually do anything? |
| 21:01.44 | Hati | yeah they change the icon and tooltip of the behavior |
| 21:01.47 | Hati | if it is not hidden |
| 21:01.55 | Hati | which is an option ( Flag ) |
| 21:02.07 | Vulfe | So if you were to mouse over the little icon on the unit, it would display the tooltip? |
| 21:02.25 | Vulfe | the buff icon that is, not anything in the command cared |
| 21:02.26 | Hati | yes |
| 21:02.26 | Vulfe | card* |
| 21:02.36 | Hati | command card are buttons |
| 21:02.42 | Vulfe | ahh |
| 21:02.43 | Vulfe | okay |
| 21:02.44 | Vulfe | thanks : ) |
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| 21:03.51 | Alpha_vst | im getting pissed off at import |
| 21:03.53 | Alpha_vst | 0.o |
| 21:03.57 | Vulfe | y |
| 21:04.09 | Alpha_vst | i have to delete old stuff for it to update |
| 21:04.21 | Alpha_vst | abd then i have to restart the editor each time |
| 21:04.26 | Vulfe | yeah |
| 21:04.28 | Vulfe | oh |
| 21:04.31 | Vulfe | i agree |
| 21:04.32 | depthsofchaos | ok i converted to 3ds and max didnt recognize it:o |
| 21:04.32 | Vulfe | it's kind of a pain |
| 21:04.33 | depthsofchaos | gona try obj |
| 21:04.36 | Vulfe | : ( |
| 21:04.40 | Vulfe | sry chaos |
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| 21:05.11 | redmarine | Hm, anyone knows why I recieve compilation errors when I use operator variables? |
| 21:05.11 | zedrone | *.3ds or *.obj need to be imported in max |
| 21:05.14 | zedrone | not "open" |
| 21:05.18 | Alpha_vst | new SS |
| 21:05.37 | Alpha_vst | http://i49.tinypic.com/29xacye.jpg |
| 21:05.38 | Vulfe | idk what operator variables are |
| 21:05.39 | Vulfe | so no |
| 21:05.40 | redmarine | Example "lv_iiOperator = +;" |
| 21:05.48 | depthsofchaos | same with import and opeb :/ |
| 21:05.50 | redmarine | IT causes bugs |
| 21:05.51 | depthsofchaos | open* |
| 21:05.52 | redmarine | Meh,,, |
| 21:06.12 | redmarine | Operator variables store operators |
| 21:06.16 | Hati | operators aren't defined that way |
| 21:06.20 | redmarine | Such as +,-,/,* |
| 21:06.23 | zedrone | maybe blender is not so good =) (lol) |
| 21:06.24 | Vulfe | mm |
| 21:06.29 | redmarine | So how is it done? |
| 21:06.36 | Hati | you cannot do your own operators like you think |
| 21:06.42 | Hati | you need a preset / enum |
| 21:06.49 | zedrone | *obj file is a straight forward format, you could open it in Txt |
| 21:06.54 | redmarine | what do you mean by that? |
| 21:06.57 | Hati | which will end up like nothing more than just |
| 21:06.59 | Hati | 1 = + |
| 21:07.02 | Hati | 0 = * |
| 21:07.07 | Hati | more you don't need anyway |
| 21:07.16 | Hati | and this will only be seen in GUI |
| 21:07.46 | redmarine | so instead of writing - or + I'lll just use numerics? |
| 21:07.48 | Alpha_vst | SO what do u guys think on my "point" model? http://i49.tinypic.com/29xacye.jpg |
| 21:07.56 | redmarine | in custom values? |
| 21:08.01 | Alpha_vst | i need to make it team colored :( |
| 21:08.01 | depthsofchaos | blender is weird |
| 21:08.03 | Hati | you define 0 is multiplication |
| 21:08.05 | depthsofchaos | it uses python :_o |
| 21:08.11 | zedrone | deprh : if you want, send me one obj or 3ds file. |
| 21:08.14 | Hati | so if your function is passed 0 |
| 21:08.18 | Hati | it will multiplicate |
| 21:08.27 | depthsofchaos | ok gona send it |
| 21:08.29 | Hati | if you pass 0 to your function* |
| 21:08.47 | redmarine | +Hati, alright, basically I'll have to make some conditions |
| 21:08.50 | redmarine | That will return some values |
| 21:09.08 | redmarine | And depending on those values certain function with the correct operator will run |
| 21:09.17 | redmarine | Right? |
| 21:09.33 | Hati | yea |
| 21:09.35 | redmarine | Okay. |
| 21:09.36 | Hati | basically yes |
| 21:09.39 | redmarine | Sounds easy enough |
| 21:09.40 | redmarine | Thanks. |
| 21:09.45 | Hati | but as said |
| 21:09.53 | Hati | it will only show on GUI |
| 21:10.06 | redmarine | I see. |
| 21:10.47 | Hati | as a + or * |
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| 21:11.10 | redmarine | k |
| 21:12.02 | Vulfe | point model looks pretty good, alpha |
| 21:12.03 | Vulfe | btw |
| 21:12.09 | Alpha_vst | how do i get team colors to work :( |
| 21:12.14 | Alpha_vst | i cant figure it out |
| 21:12.45 | Vulfe | what do you mean |
| 21:13.07 | Vulfe | like |
| 21:13.09 | Vulfe | in the textures? |
| 21:13.14 | Alpha_vst | yeah |
| 21:13.37 | Vulfe | it's transparency (alpha) |
| 21:13.39 | Alpha_vst | i cant figure out how to make it so it gives team colors on the texture |
| 21:14.02 | Vulfe | so, if you wanted to tint the entire thing a team color |
| 21:14.09 | Vulfe | you'd just make it all slightly transparent |
| 21:14.56 | Alpha_vst | but the issue is with setting the setting in the model |
| 21:15.14 | Vulfe | : \ |
| 21:15.15 | Vulfe | how so |
| 21:19.09 | Vulfe | Is healing just negative damage> |
| 21:19.11 | Vulfe | ? |
| 21:19.22 | Alpha_vst | maybe? |
| 21:19.28 | Alpha_vst | try it |
| 21:19.31 | Vulfe | mmk |
| 21:19.42 | Alpha_vst | try doing - damage lol |
| 21:19.47 | Vulfe | yeah |
| 21:19.47 | Vulfe | well |
| 21:19.52 | Vulfe | I'm using behaviors |
| 21:20.00 | Vulfe | to make a unit that has an aura that heals biological units |
| 21:20.12 | Vulfe | and I think effect - damage is what I'd have to do |
| 21:20.16 | Vulfe | soo |
| 21:20.54 | Vulfe | lol |
| 21:20.55 | allenmelon | i just realized that sc2 mapmaking is similar to java |
| 21:20.57 | Vulfe | You could do some ridiculous propagation of effects via search behaviors |
| 21:21.04 | Dustin | Make a behavior that increases Health regen then |
| 21:21.13 | Vulfe | pfft |
| 21:21.13 | Vulfe | no |
| 21:21.30 | Alpha_vst | Vulfe: there is a healer |
| 21:21.33 | Alpha_vst | type thing |
| 21:21.36 | Alpha_vst | in one of those things |
| 21:21.44 | Vulfe | as an effect? |
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| 21:22.09 | Vulfe | I don't think "Destroy Healer" is what I need |
| 21:22.12 | Vulfe | just a guess |
| 21:22.20 | Alpha_vst | team colors work but its for the whole unit :( |
| 21:22.42 | Alpha_vst | maybe i shoulda doen the other one |
| 21:22.45 | Vulfe | ? |
| 21:23.01 | Vulfe | you can always make some parts of the texture transparent and others not |
| 21:23.24 | Vulfe | unless I completely misunderstand your situation |
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| 21:24.45 | Alpha_vst | no i know |
| 21:24.49 | Alpha_vst | thats what i did |
| 21:25.17 | Vulfe | Ahh |
| 21:25.23 | Vulfe | I see your healing effect thing |
| 21:25.24 | Alpha_vst | i should of doen the defuse map and maybe not the spec |
| 21:25.26 | Vulfe | that's not what I need though |
| 21:25.29 | Vulfe | negative damage is better |
| 21:25.30 | Vulfe | : \ |
| 21:26.14 | Alpha_vst | anyways... new SS http://i49.tinypic.com/29xacye.jpg |
| 21:26.15 | Alpha_vst | :P |
| 21:26.27 | Alpha_vst | ops |
| 21:26.27 | Vulfe | what? |
| 21:26.30 | depthsofchaos | Hati is export supposed to work for blender just by opening the poject?:o |
| 21:26.35 | depthsofchaos | or do i have to select models |
| 21:26.42 | Alpha_vst | http://i45.tinypic.com/6josg6.jpg |
| 21:26.44 | Alpha_vst | new SS |
| 21:26.45 | Alpha_vst | :P |
| 21:27.10 | Vulfe | that's a lot of hydralisks |
| 21:27.21 | Vulfe | I like what you did with the lighting |
| 21:27.42 | Hati | dunno |
| 21:27.57 | Alpha_vst | lighting? its all textures mostly lol |
| 21:27.57 | Hati | haven't used it yet - i just said it exists :P |
| 21:29.26 | Vulfe | lighting looked flat in the picture |
| 21:29.32 | Vulfe | maybe you're just running on low settngs or something |
| 21:29.36 | Hati | plus iam kinda busy :D http://img691.imageshack.us/img691/6936/busywm.png |
| 21:29.42 | Hati | so no time to try out |
| 21:31.01 | Clord | lol |
| 21:31.45 | Vulfe | what's that from Hati |
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| 21:34.41 | Hati | Vulfe: Monster Hunter |
| 21:34.50 | Vulfe | lol |
| 21:34.51 | Vulfe | oooh |
| 21:34.53 | Vulfe | that game :P |
| 21:35.09 | Vulfe | I thought it was an SC2 map for a moment and was like "wtfhax" |
| 21:36.25 | Triceron | Monster Hunter is the best |
| 21:36.41 | Triceron | is that frontier? |
| 21:38.07 | Hati | no its Tri |
| 21:38.12 | Triceron | ugh, Tri. |
| 21:38.26 | Triceron | no gunlance = fail |
| 21:38.57 | Triceron | but I'd love to see a monster hunter map in SC2 :D |
| 21:39.04 | Triceron | fight giant zerg bosses |
| 21:39.08 | Triceron | I'd so do it |
| 21:39.13 | Triceron | if I could map |
| 21:39.43 | Vulfe | lol |
| 21:39.47 | Vulfe | if you could map? |
| 21:40.09 | Vulfe | I'm sorry |
| 21:40.35 | Triceron | the editor's too complex for me |
| 21:40.41 | Vulfe | Damn. There's got to be a way to just add to units' health |
| 21:40.44 | Vulfe | wtff |
| 21:40.49 | Triceron | I'm not touching that stuff till they revamp and noobify it |
| 21:40.52 | Vulfe | lol |
| 21:40.53 | Vulfe | ok |
| 21:40.58 | Vulfe | need a GUI for your GUI? |
| 21:41.25 | Triceron | well War3's world editor was relatively user friendly |
| 21:41.46 | Vulfe | kind of |
| 21:41.47 | Vulfe | I mean |
| 21:41.51 | Vulfe | Data is the only thing that has changed |
| 21:41.52 | Triceron | here there's fields for everything |
| 21:41.53 | Vulfe | and it's not that bad |
| 21:42.12 | Triceron | model swapping in War3 seemed a lot easier than this |
| 21:42.18 | Vulfe | I guess |
| 21:42.24 | Vulfe | importing was still a pain |
| 21:42.31 | Triceron | no actors, no separate model sections |
| 21:43.17 | Vulfe | it's all more flexible now |
| 21:43.19 | zedrone | cy all ng |
| 21:43.20 | zedrone | gn |
| 21:43.27 | Vulfe | not as many stupid workarounds |
| 21:43.49 | Vulfe | and I mean, you don't even have to do anything with actors and stuff if you want to edit it like wc3 |
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| 21:44.43 | xXm0RPH3usXx | wow |
| 21:44.46 | Triceron | the actors control what's used |
| 21:44.47 | xXm0RPH3usXx | thats full here |
| 21:44.51 | xXm0RPH3usXx | hi all |
| 21:44.56 | Vulfe | hi |
| 21:45.21 | xXm0RPH3usXx | is the idling disease going round here? |
| 21:45.27 | xXm0RPH3usXx | or is it really active talking? |
| 21:45.38 | Triceron | you'll see ~ 10% talking |
| 21:45.42 | Triceron | that's the norm |
| 21:45.48 | xXm0RPH3usXx | hmz |
| 21:45.56 | Vulfe | well |
| 21:45.59 | Vulfe | when I'm here |
| 21:46.02 | Vulfe | I talk a lot |
| 21:46.05 | rrowland | omg... are you THE morpheus?! |
| 21:46.12 | xXm0RPH3usXx | uhm... |
| 21:46.17 | xXm0RPH3usXx | who is THE morpheus |
| 21:46.25 | xXm0RPH3usXx | i'm the one who did the housekits |
| 21:46.27 | rrowland | From the movie |
| 21:46.31 | xXm0RPH3usXx | and some doodadpacks on wc3c |
| 21:46.44 | xXm0RPH3usXx | yeah, sure and him |
| 21:46.47 | Triceron | do you know kung fu? Can you teach me? |
| 21:46.55 | rrowland | Give me the blue pill |
| 21:46.55 | xXm0RPH3usXx | dl only |
| 21:47.00 | xXm0RPH3usXx | just right into your brain |
| 21:47.12 | xXm0RPH3usXx | whatcha pay? |
| 21:47.24 | rrowland | If you give me the blue pill I won't make fun of your name |
| 21:47.52 | xXm0RPH3usXx | do whatever you wish |
| 21:48.02 | rrowland | You even sound like morpheus |
| 21:48.17 | Vulfe | lol |
| 21:48.25 | rrowland | Not sure he'd use l33tsp34k and XxX though |
| 21:48.31 | rrowland | I think you're an impostor |
| 21:48.54 | Vulfe | Why did you take all the time to type that in for the IRC login page |
| 21:49.01 | Vulfe | such a pain |
| 21:49.15 | xXm0RPH3usXx | its like two secs if you wrote it hundreds of times |
| 21:49.18 | xXm0RPH3usXx | xXm0RpH3usXx |
| 21:49.20 | rrowland | Cause it looks xXk0o0LxX |
| 21:49.20 | xXm0RPH3usXx | bam |
| 21:49.43 | rrowland | duh |
| 21:49.52 | Vulfe | I don't need mipmapped x's to make my name cool |
| 21:49.53 | Vulfe | it's natural |
| 21:50.15 | xXm0RPH3usXx | you really got nothing better to do? |
| 21:50.23 | Vulfe | than what |
| 21:50.24 | rrowland | Than make fun of your name? |
| 21:50.24 | rrowland | no |
| 21:50.30 | Vulfe | I'm multitasking |
| 21:50.38 | rrowland | I'm procrastinating working on my maps |
| 21:51.00 | Vulfe | Marines are biological, right? |
| 21:51.08 | rrowland | Think so |
| 21:51.14 | Vulfe | they kind of have to be... |
| 21:51.18 | Vulfe | hmm |
| 21:51.32 | rrowland | Yeah |
| 21:51.39 | rrowland | Medivacs only heal biological |
| 21:51.46 | nicoli_s | rrowland:hear anything from blizz yet? |
| 21:51.52 | `3ICE | I'd be fine with it if they classified marines as mechanical-biological |
| 21:51.54 | rrowland | Nope |
| 21:51.59 | rrowland | I'm gonna give them until this friday |
| 21:52.03 | nicoli_s | mmk |
| 21:52.04 | Triceron | why would marines be mechanical? |
| 21:52.06 | rrowland | Before I figure I was passed on |
| 21:52.08 | Triceron | you can't repair em |
| 21:52.37 | Triceron | whats going on with blizz? |
| 21:52.43 | nicoli_s | hes applying for a job |
| 21:52.48 | Triceron | ooh, nice |
| 21:52.53 | `3ICE | i tried that too :D |
| 21:52.56 | nicoli_s | to be the guy we all get to yell at |
| 21:52.58 | `3ICE | got turned down |
| 21:52.59 | rrowland | lol |
| 21:52.59 | Triceron | good luck rrow |
| 21:53.07 | rrowland | How long did a response take 3ice? |
| 21:53.10 | Triceron | yeah, if you get a job there |
| 21:53.15 | Triceron | you'll be blamed for bnet 2.0 |
| 21:53.24 | rrowland | haha My job would be on campaign work :P |
| 21:53.26 | rrowland | Not bnet |
| 21:54.05 | rrowland | Well I've got my sample works hosted on my site |
| 21:54.11 | rrowland | And my site has access logs |
| 21:54.16 | rrowland | So I know they haven't looked at them yet |
| 21:54.32 | `3ICE | ...and they never will :( |
| 21:54.53 | rrowland | Well considering a portfolio is basically the most important part of the job I'm applying for |
| 21:55.02 | rrowland | I'm sure they will unless my cover letter was really that unflattering |
| 21:55.09 | `3ICE | considering they have 1000 applicants a day (wild guess) |
| 21:55.14 | `3ICE | they dont even look at them |
| 21:55.18 | Vulfe | probably not 1000 |
| 21:55.22 | Vulfe | that's too many |
| 21:55.22 | rrowland | There's no way |
| 21:55.26 | `3ICE | 10M wow players |
| 21:55.29 | `3ICE | omg iwanan b gm omg |
| 21:55.31 | Vulfe | lol |
| 21:55.33 | rrowland | If they don't look at portfolios they're never going to hire anybody... |
| 21:55.39 | `3ICE | maek me gm plox blizz kthxbai |
| 21:55.45 | `3ICE | 1000 is a low estimate |
| 21:55.47 | rrowland | rofl There isn't 1 guy looking at apps for all jobs |
| 21:55.57 | rrowland | I'm sure it's handled by the lead level designer |
| 21:56.04 | rrowland | Who only looks at level design apps |
| 21:56.12 | Triceron | usually by HR sifting through |
| 21:56.18 | Triceron | passing stuff on to leads |
| 21:56.35 | rrowland | Not how it worked at my previous jobs |
| 21:57.01 | rrowland | How long did a response take, 3ice? |
| 21:57.15 | `3ICE | they didnt respond |
| 21:57.17 | rrowland | Ah |
| 21:57.23 | `3ICE | sry, playing war3 |
| 21:57.34 | Vulfe | apparently negative damage effects don't work, because my healing tower is perfectly capable of killing all of these marines |
| 21:57.40 | rrowland | Well if they don't even look at my sample work then it's their folly... |
| 21:57.59 | `3ICE | they didnt dl my maps |
| 21:58.02 | rrowland | How can you hire level designers without looking into their portfolios |
| 21:58.05 | `3ICE | i submitted 2 |
| 21:58.08 | `3ICE | added tracker |
| 21:58.10 | `3ICE | no hits |
| 21:58.11 | Triceron | did you make movies? |
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| 21:58.16 | Triceron | of your maps |
| 21:58.19 | rrowland | Yeah |
| 21:58.31 | rrowland | I included the applicable youtube previews I made for the public |
| 21:59.32 | rrowland | Sucks, cause I know I'd be a good fit for the position |
| 21:59.42 | heysparky | link rrowland? |
| 21:59.47 | rrowland | To what? |
| 22:00.13 | heysparky | portfolio? |
| 22:00.26 | rrowland | It contains links to download source for all of my maps |
| 22:00.31 | rrowland | Won't be giving that out lol |
| 22:00.57 | rrowland | Basically it has |
| 22:01.31 | rrowland | Sniper Wars, Zone Control Ultimate, Behemoth AI, Shattered Basin (Melee), Boiling Point (Melee) |
| 22:01.44 | heysparky | all SC2? |
| 22:01.48 | rrowland | Yeah |
| 22:01.55 | heysparky | wow, you're productive :D |
| 22:02.05 | rrowland | I'm unemployed |
| 22:02.06 | rrowland | lol. |
| 22:02.11 | heysparky | me too! |
| 22:02.18 | heysparky | were you a WC3 mapper? |
| 22:02.22 | rrowland | Nope |
| 22:02.31 | rrowland | Just a fast learner |
| 22:02.49 | rrowland | I love game design |
| 22:03.06 | valkrail | links to youtubes at least? :P |
| 22:03.18 | valkrail | i suppose i could just search them |
| 22:03.19 | valkrail | haha |
| 22:03.23 | rrowland | http://www.youtube.com/user/llam4 |
| 22:03.31 | valkrail | sweet |
| 22:03.35 | rrowland | I should go back in and include the thaddius fight maybe |
| 22:03.44 | rrowland | Into my samples |
| 22:04.11 | rrowland | If I don't get a reply before the overhaul of my sniper wars map I'll definitely switch it out |
| 22:04.19 | rrowland | Cause I'm making it a lot more impressive |
| 22:04.31 | heysparky | when did you apply? |
| 22:04.36 | rrowland | 2 weeks ago |
| 22:04.44 | heysparky | becuase Blizz is glacial |
| 22:04.51 | Triceron | it'll be a while then |
| 22:04.57 | heysparky | ah, that's like 2 minutes in regular people time |
| 22:05.09 | Triceron | I applied and got a response in 3 months |
| 22:05.15 | rrowland | Well I also told the good people here at curse I would be interested in working here as well |
| 22:05.18 | heysparky | right, they take MONTHS to move on things |
| 22:05.18 | rrowland | So there has to be a line |
| 22:05.27 | rrowland | Where I just say, "Okay blizzard isn't interested" |
| 22:05.33 | heysparky | untrue |
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| 22:05.54 | heysparky | Dustin Browder took 4 years and 3 interviews (or 3 years and 4 interviews) before he got on |
| 22:05.59 | heysparky | DUSTING BROWDER |
| 22:06.02 | heysparky | -G |
| 22:06.10 | Triceron | well that was a biiig position |
| 22:06.24 | Triceron | its basically THE head position of the game |
| 22:06.38 | heysparky | not when he intially interviewed I'm guessing |
| 22:06.50 | rrowland | Well I don't even have an interview yet so |
| 22:06.51 | heysparky | it'd've been 8 years ago-ish |
| 22:06.59 | Triceron | well I'm sure there were other candidates, that's why it took so long |
| 22:07.16 | heysparky | anyway, if you're looking for a speedy response, don't count on it |
| 22:07.29 | heysparky | go on right now as if they've passed on you |
| 22:07.33 | Triceron | is level designer a hot job? |
| 22:07.43 | Triceron | like are they actively looking for one? |
| 22:07.45 | heysparky | is __ ____ a hot job? |
| 22:07.48 | rrowland | Yes |
| 22:07.58 | rrowland | They posted the position may 24 |
| 22:08.06 | rrowland | So a month ago |
| 22:08.21 | rrowland | And the site says its not filled |
| 22:08.40 | Bemoliph | Probably waiting a bit for a decent number of applicants |
| 22:08.55 | Bemoliph | Especially if it was only that long ago |
| 22:09.34 | heysparky | The truth of hte matter is that they're always hiring for everything IF you can blow them away. Which is hard. |
| 22:09.51 | Triceron | they won't fill it super quick I don't think |
| 22:10.08 | rrowland | Well in the meantime I'll be improving my portfolio |
| 22:10.25 | rrowland | Just hope they didn't skip it |
| 22:11.23 | RedWraith | hey guys |
| 22:11.26 | RedWraith | how are you all doing? |
| 22:11.31 | rrowland | meh |
| 22:11.41 | RedWraith | :( |
| 22:11.44 | *** part/#sc2mapster MaxMode (~Adium@ip98-185-253-55.sb.sd.cox.net) |
| 22:11.51 | RedWraith | Ryan(?), it'll be okay! |
| 22:12.01 | heysparky | R is for Ryan? |
| 22:12.05 | RedWraith | Maybe. |
| 22:12.09 | RedWraith | Maybe it's for Richard. |
| 22:12.12 | RedWraith | Maybe it's for Ronald. |
| 22:12.19 | RedWraith | Maybe it's for Rofl |
| 22:12.23 | rrowland | rodrigo |
| 22:12.25 | Repo | New map: http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/spitfire/. Spitfire. Arconeaux (Manager/Author). Approved by vjeux. |
| 22:12.28 | Repo | New map: http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/escape/. Escape. NullPointerException (Manager/Author). Approved by vjeux. |
| 22:12.30 | Repo | New map: http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/island-temple/. Island Temple. GoldGod (Manager/Author). Approved by vjeux. |
| 22:12.31 | xXm0RPH3usXx | maybe it stands fopr rufus |
| 22:12.32 | rrowland | jk It's ryan |
| 22:12.32 | Repo | New map: http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/twisted-meadows/. Twisted Meadows. justnick343 (Manager/Author). Approved by vjeux. |
| 22:12.41 | heysparky | Go with Rodrigo |
| 22:12.44 | xXm0RPH3usXx | rex? |
| 22:12.45 | heysparky | :) |
| 22:12.51 | heysparky | oh... Rex is nice too |
| 22:12.56 | rrowland | Reximus Maximus |
| 22:13.12 | xXm0RPH3usXx | nah, rex is a dog :P |
| 22:13.17 | RedWraith | I have the power of omnipotence. |
| 22:13.31 | RedWraith | I think I also added him as a friend on sc2 in phase 1 when they disabled anonymity. |
| 22:13.35 | Triceron | you misspelled impotence |
| 22:13.46 | rrowland | ahahaha |
| 22:13.49 | RedWraith | You mispelled mispelled. |
| 22:13.50 | RedWraith | ;) |
| 22:14.17 | RedWraith | And yes, that's the joke. :P |
| 22:14.22 | RedWraith | I misspelled misspelled. |
| 22:14.33 | RedWraith | I also recursed recursion. |
| 22:14.40 | xXm0RPH3usXx | im repelled |
| 22:15.15 | RedWraith | ~seen tehwildcad |
| 22:15.28 | purl | RedWraith: i haven't seen 'tehwildcad' |
| 22:15.28 | heysparky | lol |
| 22:15.28 | RedWraith | ~seen tehwildcard |
| 22:15.28 | purl | tehwildcard <~Jer@pool-71-122-122-129.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #sc2mapster, 2d 2h 58m 3s ago, saying: 'You cant place it'. |
| 22:15.28 | heysparky | you misssspellleed tehwildcard |
| 22:15.30 | RedWraith | heysparky, whatcha working on? |
| 22:15.42 | heysparky | campaign-style scenario |
| 22:16.01 | RedWraith | bah! |
| 22:16.07 | RedWraith | Why can't anyone be working on anything cool? |
| 22:16.12 | RedWraith | Ryan Rowland, what are you working on? |
| 22:16.17 | rrowland | sniper wars |
| 22:16.25 | RedWraith | oh snap |
| 22:16.29 | rrowland | I'm taking all of my spaghetti code and turning it into libraries |
| 22:16.32 | rrowland | To make it into a mod |
| 22:16.33 | RedWraith | I never played it when it was out. |
| 22:16.41 | RedWraith | What's in it that's worth modding? |
| 22:17.03 | rrowland | A custom inventory and shopping system |
| 22:17.11 | rrowland | Plus all of the sniper skills, models, etc |
| 22:17.23 | rrowland | So I can just plug it into new terrain maps |
| 22:17.29 | RedWraith | I see. |
| 22:17.32 | RedWraith | An excellent plan. |
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| 22:18.30 | rrowland | Also it will all be somewhat modular instead of spaghetti code |
| 22:18.39 | rrowland | So more impressive in a portfolio |
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| 22:18.43 | rrowland | Not to mention easier to work with |
| 22:20.09 | RedWraith | "impressive in a portfolio"? |
| 22:20.12 | heysparky | if it helps Red, it'd be a great multiplayer scenario too |
| 22:20.15 | RedWraith | You showing this stuff off to people? |
| 22:20.31 | RedWraith | Enough, I hate scenarios that aren't character-driven! |
| 22:20.44 | heysparky | not just to 'people' RedWraith |
| 22:20.50 | heysparky | what? whaddya mean? |
| 22:21.06 | heysparky | what do you think a campaign style scneario is? |
| 22:21.09 | RedWraith | oh, I meant |
| 22:21.24 | RedWraith | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:21.29 | RedWraith | since he said |
| 22:21.32 | RedWraith | So more impressive in a portfolio |
| 22:21.43 | SiNiquity|zZz | o red -- it didn't work :( |
| 22:21.50 | RedWraith | heysparky, I expect you to walk through some places, kill a couple bad guys, etc. |
| 22:21.55 | RedWraith | Wait, which one? |
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| 22:21.57 | SiNiquity|zZz | disabled != requirements met |
| 22:22.00 | RedWraith | alright |
| 22:22.02 | rrowland | Just to blizz |
| 22:22.04 | heysparky | I'm confusticated |
| 22:22.05 | SiNiquity|zZz | but excellent idea |
| 22:22.07 | SiNiquity|zZz | :) |
| 22:22.11 | RedWraith | You'll have to better explain your triggers, then. |
| 22:22.43 | RedWraith | heysparky, you have genuine trouble telling who is addressing whom in conversations on IRCs, which is common, but sadly there are no support groups for it. |
| 22:22.58 | heysparky | lol |
| 22:23.06 | RedWraith | rrowland, you intend on showing this off to Blizzard? |
| 22:23.11 | RedWraith | You applying for a job? |
| 22:23.24 | heysparky | well, I complicated it by inserting myself into conversations in which I was not directly involved |
| 22:23.35 | RedWraith | Yes, you do that. |
| 22:23.45 | rrowland | Yeah I sent in an app a couple weeks ago, updating my portfolio while I wait for a response |
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| 22:24.06 | RedWraith | ah |
| 22:24.33 | RedWraith | Yeah, I'm just a college student, though I live two miles from Blizzard HQ. |
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| 22:25.13 | heysparky | Did I just get called out by Red? |
| 22:25.14 | Triceron | alright, i got a wip of my latest model, wanna know what you guys think so far |
| 22:25.15 | heysparky | wth? |
| 22:25.24 | Triceron | http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v293/Triceron/Harbinger_06c.jpg |
| 22:25.27 | rrowland | Is it a sniper? 8) |
| 22:25.33 | Triceron | haha |
| 22:25.41 | xXm0RPH3usXx | could one see a wireframe? |
| 22:25.49 | rrowland | It looks like a man fucked a hydra |
| 22:25.54 | xXm0RPH3usXx | there's no normal map applyed yet, is it? |
| 22:26.00 | RedWraith | It looks like a man in a hydra suit. |
| 22:26.26 | rrowland | Also it looks like he has a sphere on his head and someone chopped off half of his foot |
| 22:26.29 | Triceron | http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v293/Triceron/Harbinger_06w.jpg |
| 22:26.43 | Triceron | its his bubble helmet |
| 22:26.48 | heysparky | what sort of feedback are you looking for Triceron? besides the guy's probable parentage? |
| 22:26.50 | Triceron | it helps him see underwater |
| 22:26.53 | xXm0RPH3usXx | topology is good |
| 22:26.54 | casperb | lol |
| 22:27.05 | xXm0RPH3usXx | i see some tris :P |
| 22:27.07 | Triceron | does it look zergy |
| 22:27.11 | heysparky | totally |
| 22:27.15 | rrowland | Aside from his bubble helmet yes |
| 22:27.21 | Triceron | morph, all models are triangulated in game |
| 22:27.28 | Triceron | so it doesn't matter |
| 22:27.29 | xXm0RPH3usXx | i know |
| 22:27.30 | RedWraith | He doesn't, I'd say. |
| 22:27.32 | xXm0RPH3usXx | just mocking u |
| 22:27.35 | RedWraith | He looks like he has zerg skin. |
| 22:27.41 | RedWraith | He doesn't look like he's infested. |
| 22:27.47 | heysparky | that's zerg-y |
| 22:27.55 | heysparky | zerg-ish if you prefer |
| 22:27.55 | Triceron | I'm trying to make it look integrated |
| 22:27.58 | Triceron | sorta like Kerrigan |
| 22:28.10 | rrowland | Make his head some crazy shit like kerrigan's hair |
| 22:28.15 | Triceron | I might try a few different styles tho |
| 22:28.32 | Triceron | yeah, he's gonna have sniky/spiny looking hair |
| 22:28.36 | Triceron | *spiky |
| 22:28.36 | RedWraith | He's not like kerrigan, though. A male version of kerrigan would likely be more monstrous. |
| 22:28.40 | heysparky | or those wierd hip-sprung skinless wings |
| 22:28.51 | RedWraith | He looks too human. |
| 22:28.51 | Triceron | Hmm, good point Red |
| 22:29.04 | xXm0RPH3usXx | i'd say a brighter spec map would add a good slmiy effect |
| 22:29.05 | rrowland | Also |
| 22:29.06 | heysparky | Why's that? because even the zerg are sexist? |
| 22:29.09 | rrowland | He's wearing a bikini |
| 22:29.12 | Triceron | I didn't want it to look like Infested Marines though |
| 22:29.26 | Triceron | like this guy isn't gonna just blow up on you |
| 22:29.33 | rrowland | An itty bitty g-string |
| 22:29.33 | rrowland | Sexy |
| 22:29.35 | RedWraith | Give him broader shoulders, larger thighs and a godzilla tail. |
| 22:29.45 | xXm0RPH3usXx | back or front? |
| 22:29.54 | Triceron | yeah, I'll beefin him up more |
| 22:30.10 | RedWraith | Godzilla tail -> most importat |
| 22:30.11 | Triceron | beefen |
| 22:30.15 | RedWraith | also like 12 feet tall |
| 22:30.17 | Triceron | blah, that's not even word. Whatever. |
| 22:30.18 | rrowland | I vote to get rid of the speedo |
| 22:30.20 | rrowland | But that's just me |
| 22:31.11 | xXm0RPH3usXx | are there any maps applyed at all besides the diffuse map? |
| 22:31.19 | Triceron | normal and spec |
| 22:31.21 | RedWraith | The best way to look 'infected' though, is to give him a largely human figure except for his face and to give him tentacles coming out of his back. |
| 22:31.32 | heysparky | and one hand |
| 22:31.43 | xXm0RPH3usXx | i'd vote for cranking up the spec map more |
| 22:31.46 | rrowland | And his face should be split open |
| 22:31.49 | xXm0RPH3usXx | to make it look slimy |
| 22:31.52 | RedWraith | Alternatively, replace his arms with thins, long claws. |
| 22:31.58 | rrowland | Then give him a tail |
| 22:32.02 | rrowland | And make him spit spines |
| 22:32.05 | RedWraith | He should look like he's been genetically modified to be a sniper. |
| 22:32.11 | heysparky | but I think he's supposed to look badass instead of disgusting |
| 22:32.14 | rrowland | You can call it a hydra |
| 22:32.48 | Triceron | thanks guys, real helpful |
| 22:32.51 | rrowland | Yes you should make him into a sniper 8) |
| 22:33.16 | rrowland | You ever figure out those animation bugs btw? |
| 22:34.29 | Triceron | okay got an update, what you think now |
| 22:34.30 | Triceron | http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v293/Triceron/Harbinger7.jpg |
| 22:34.41 | rrowland | WOW |
| 22:34.43 | rrowland | Sweet |
| 22:34.47 | casperb | cute |
| 22:34.50 | Triceron | not the standing bug. I can't figure that one out |
| 22:34.52 | rrowland | Now he looks zerg-y |
| 22:35.02 | RedWraith | Triceron, that's perfect. |
| 22:35.02 | casperb | Are the available as household pets? |
| 22:35.04 | Triceron | everything else seems to work |
| 22:35.05 | casperb | :P |
| 22:35.09 | RedWraith | That's what he should look like. |
| 22:35.09 | RedWraith | ;) |
| 22:35.34 | Triceron | I got .dds and team colors working finally tho |
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| 22:36.01 | Triceron | but I think the animation problem could be from the exporter. I have to talk to someone who knows more about animation export than I do ho |
| 22:36.03 | Triceron | *tho |
| 22:36.11 | xXm0RPH3usXx | anyone found a ps plugin that works with a 64 bit version? |
| 22:36.12 | TheBaron87 | arg this is really annoying. why would two units with the same move stats and the same mover move differently? :\ |
| 22:36.18 | xXm0RPH3usXx | i looked but didnt find any |
| 22:36.21 | heysparky | have you considered not giving him legs at all Tric? |
| 22:36.35 | Triceron | hmm, that's a possibility |
| 22:36.44 | rrowland | Just make him crawl with his arms like his legs were torn off? |
| 22:36.49 | Triceron | you mean like give it a tail? |
| 22:36.59 | Triceron | or you mean like zergling legs or something |
| 22:37.05 | rrowland | I think that would look pretty damn cool |
| 22:37.24 | rrowland | If all he had was arms |
| 22:37.57 | rrowland | But he's got some super zerg muscles so he's still agile |
| 22:38.10 | rrowland | Kinda like lickers in resident evil |
| 22:38.17 | rrowland | Except they had legs but w/e |
| 22:38.43 | Triceron | I'll show the concept I'm going for |
| 22:39.07 | Triceron | http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v293/Triceron/Harbinger_03.jpg |
| 22:39.23 | ctccromer | Anyone know how to set the defaultcamera so that when the game starts its zoomed IN all the way, rather than zoomed OUT all the way like normal? |
| 22:39.46 | xXm0RPH3usXx | did u draw that tric? |
| 22:40.04 | rrowland | The red hydra-ish skin you have on him doesn't seem to fit with the green face very well |
| 22:40.05 | Triceron | I'm still trying to figure how that would look if he was just arms crawling around tho |
| 22:40.11 | rrowland | But I haven't seen them together |
| 22:40.28 | Triceron | yeah the colors aren't set in stone |
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| 22:40.39 | Triceron | they're the hydra color scheme, and I'm not digging it on him |
| 22:40.45 | heysparky | Triceron, I meant a hydra tail (think Naga) |
| 22:40.47 | Triceron | I mgiht go for purples and greens |
| 22:41.04 | rrowland | I think it would be cool to use the same color scheme as kerrigan |
| 22:41.14 | Triceron | hydra tail might work |
| 22:41.30 | Triceron | yeah, I'll prolly swap up the color scheme and see if that works better |
| 22:43.17 | Triceron | Snake tail I'm still on edge about. Last thing I want is people callin him 'Hydraman' |
| 22:43.18 | ctccromer | Anyone know how to set the defaultcamera so that when the game starts its zoomed IN all the way, rather than zoomed OUT all the way like normal? |
| 22:43.59 | heysparky | well... what makes Kerrigan, Kerrigan? |
| 22:44.07 | heysparky | zerg stilettos |
| 22:44.08 | Triceron | her wings? |
| 22:44.12 | heysparky | wings definitely |
| 22:44.34 | heysparky | though that's a feature that she shares with the Queen unit |
| 22:44.41 | heysparky | so not 'masculine' if that matters |
| 22:44.54 | Triceron | eyah |
| 22:45.04 | heysparky | broodlord? |
| 22:45.09 | Triceron | I should make this guy more masculine looking, but I wanna get across the idea of 'finesse' |
| 22:45.15 | heysparky | give him, like, manta wings... hmmm |
| 22:45.19 | Triceron | to contrast with the infested marine |
| 22:45.20 | heysparky | sounded better in my head |
| 22:45.32 | Triceron | I want to give him blades and stuff |
| 22:45.46 | Triceron | I might change an arm into a mutated weapon |
| 22:46.06 | heysparky | what's wrong with him getting called 'hyrdaman?' |
| 22:46.07 | Triceron | I like the idea of the lower half being something non-human |
| 22:46.34 | Triceron | I dunno, it just seems easy to make everything look like a hydralisk and call it 'zerg' |
| 22:46.34 | heysparky | every unit gets nicknamed |
| 22:46.40 | Triceron | feels sorta like a copout to me |
| 22:46.45 | xXm0RPH3usXx | maybe you could make him hunched over and walk on hands and feet |
| 22:46.55 | Triceron | I don't want him bestial tho |
| 22:47.00 | xXm0RPH3usXx | ah, k |
| 22:47.07 | Triceron | he's supposed to be more like Kerrigan's agent |
| 22:47.11 | Triceron | think Duran |
| 22:47.21 | Triceron | cept Duran wasn't actually infested in looks |
| 22:47.22 | xXm0RPH3usXx | i'm not into the sc2 lore |
| 22:47.31 | Triceron | 'Infested Ghost' |
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| 22:48.09 | xXm0RPH3usXx | make his spine huge |
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| 22:48.31 | xXm0RPH3usXx | like really give him that overbuffed feeling |
| 22:48.39 | xXm0RPH3usXx | a little hulk |
| 22:48.53 | xXm0RPH3usXx | *hulk style |
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| 22:49.30 | heysparky | say, rrowland, why only multiplayer maps? |
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| 22:54.09 | heysparky | Hey, does anyone know in Behaviors > Buffs > Modification+ ... what 'scaled' and 'unscled' refers to? |
| 22:54.39 | heysparky | 'unscaled' |
| 22:55.36 | xXm0RPH3usXx | in lack of a better answer here i would make a guess |
| 22:55.51 | xXm0RPH3usXx | and say that if you tick scaled and the unit is scaled |
| 22:56.02 | xXm0RPH3usXx | the buff will be automatically be rescaled with it |
| 22:58.46 | heysparky | hmmm... if so, that's not what I'm looking for |
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| 23:00.01 | xXm0RPH3usXx | well, i'M sry, i'm just a modeler |
| 23:00.09 | xXm0RPH3usXx | i dont know much about the galaxy editor |
| 23:00.20 | xXm0RPH3usXx | little about worleditor from wc3 |
| 23:00.23 | xXm0RPH3usXx | its just a guess |
| 23:00.49 | Triceron | you got pics of your models, Morph? |
| 23:00.58 | TheBaron87 | Did anybody ever figure out how to get a ground unit to turn while moving WITHOUT moving sideways? |
| 23:00.59 | xXm0RPH3usXx | uhm... |
| 23:01.02 | xXm0RPH3usXx | i do :P |
| 23:01.08 | Triceron | lessee |
| 23:01.08 | xXm0RPH3usXx | i used to have a gallery on wc3c.net |
| 23:01.12 | xXm0RPH3usXx | but the site is down |
| 23:01.25 | xXm0RPH3usXx | i think my most recent stuff is the most interesting |
| 23:01.33 | xXm0RPH3usXx | which can be found on my yt acc |
| 23:01.40 | xXm0RPH3usXx | xxXm0RPH3usXxx |
| 23:01.45 | Triceron | link |
| 23:01.46 | heysparky | hey, rrowland, just missed asking a question of you - why do you have only multiplayer maps? |
| 23:02.07 | xXm0RPH3usXx | http://www.youtube.com/user/xxXm0RpH3usXxx |
| 23:02.09 | heysparky | thanks for the guess morph, it was my thought as well |
| 23:02.24 | xXm0RPH3usXx | just trying to help |
| 23:02.34 | xXm0RPH3usXx | those models on the channel |
| 23:02.38 | xXm0RPH3usXx | arent for sc2 |
| 23:02.45 | xXm0RPH3usXx | i have applyed to a university |
| 23:02.49 | xXm0RPH3usXx | near where i live |
| 23:02.52 | xXm0RPH3usXx | to sutdy game design |
| 23:02.57 | xXm0RPH3usXx | and had to do a homework |
| 23:03.04 | xXm0RPH3usXx | to get a chance of a personal interrogation |
| 23:03.11 | rrowland | Because I like balancing for multiplayer |
| 23:03.15 | xXm0RPH3usXx | and did a 2:45 animation short movie |
| 23:03.27 | Triceron | nice stuff :) |
| 23:03.34 | Triceron | so you did stuff for war3? |
| 23:03.35 | xXm0RPH3usXx | so nvm polycount |
| 23:03.41 | xXm0RPH3usXx | thank you |
| 23:03.44 | xXm0RPH3usXx | its okay |
| 23:03.48 | xXm0RPH3usXx | wanna improve much |
| 23:04.05 | rrowland | Multiplayer is a lot more fun than single player |
| 23:04.06 | Triceron | how old are you? |
| 23:04.13 | Alpha_vst | for sure |
| 23:04.25 | xXm0RPH3usXx | is age of importance? 21 |
| 23:04.30 | rrowland | But of course I'd love working on the single player campaign for SC2 knowing it'll be played by so many people |
| 23:04.35 | xXm0RPH3usXx | i'm modeling since 5 years |
| 23:04.39 | xXm0RPH3usXx | with a year of pause |
| 23:04.41 | Triceron | well you said you wre applying to uni, was just curious |
| 23:04.42 | RedWraith | *yawn* I think I'm going to do a speed run for making an tower defense map. |
| 23:04.43 | xXm0RPH3usXx | damn gf |
| 23:05.06 | heysparky | I bet she'd be thrilled to be referred to that way... ;P |
| 23:05.14 | xXm0RPH3usXx | *ex |
| 23:05.16 | Alpha_vst | lol |
| 23:05.17 | xXm0RPH3usXx | so i dont care |
| 23:05.18 | RedWraith | Starting time: 4:05 |
| 23:05.22 | RedWraith | Updates come as things happen. |
| 23:05.26 | Alpha_vst | lol |
| 23:05.29 | Alpha_vst | 2 hours go |
| 23:05.34 | RedWraith | Yeah...no. |
| 23:05.40 | RedWraith | brb terraining |
| 23:06.05 | Triceron | I should try that too |
| 23:06.14 | Triceron | Starting time, 4:06 |
| 23:06.21 | Triceron | *3 years later* |
| 23:06.31 | Triceron | "Done! I made a pit" |
| 23:06.42 | heysparky | rrowland, if you want a singleplayer job, you should have a singleplayer scenario in there somewhere |
| 23:06.44 | heysparky | I think |
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| 23:07.30 | AM_to]PM | Heya |
| 23:07.39 | heysparky | howdy |
| 23:08.27 | rrowland | Well if I don't get a job with them |
| 23:08.32 | rrowland | I want to make them premium |
| 23:08.35 | rrowland | Eventually |
| 23:08.55 | rrowland | Get a modeling team etc |
| 23:09.02 | xXm0RPH3usXx | @ tric: i found some pics: http://www.mapping-enklave.de//memberfiles/corexx/Neratia_WIPScreens/Neratia_WIP_020.jpg |
| 23:09.12 | xXm0RPH3usXx | this housekit is what i did most of the time |
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| 23:09.38 | xXm0RPH3usXx | basically i made lots of different wall models |
| 23:09.48 | Triceron | ah, nice :) |
| 23:09.54 | xXm0RPH3usXx | which could be put together in the worldeditor |
| 23:09.55 | heysparky | so... would you say you'd rather make what you enjoy making... not so much important if it's for Blizzard or not...? |
| 23:09.58 | xXm0RPH3usXx | to houses |
| 23:10.09 | AM_to]PM | When SC2 goes into Open Beta (what I assume bliz means by last stage of testing) bliz will still have galaxy editor avalible for new downloaders right? |
| 23:10.17 | AM_to]PM | I still don't have a key -_- |
| 23:10.37 | Triceron | can't preorder the game? |
| 23:10.42 | heysparky | they'd have to take it out for it to be unavailable now, AM |
| 23:11.07 | AM_to]PM | Preorder gives you a key? lol |
| 23:11.16 | Triceron | yes, any gamestop/eb |
| 23:11.19 | Triceron | I think best buys too |
| 23:11.23 | heysparky | yessir, amazon too |
| 23:11.35 | Triceron | they were practically giving em away |
| 23:11.42 | xXm0RPH3usXx | even i got one |
| 23:11.47 | xXm0RPH3usXx | and i really didnt want one |
| 23:11.48 | xXm0RPH3usXx | XD |
| 23:11.49 | Alpha_vst | lol |
| 23:12.00 | Triceron | well, actually.. if you were subscribed to any fan sites, they were giving em away too |
| 23:12.09 | Alpha_vst | yeah |
| 23:12.09 | AM_to]PM | Huh, I still won't, I have heard so much crap about it I'm not sure I want to preorder Oo |
| 23:13.04 | Triceron | you mean how Bnet 2.0 sucks too much? |
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| 23:13.14 | AM_to]PM | DEFINTLY that |
| 23:13.22 | Triceron | the game itself will be fine though |
| 23:13.34 | xXm0RPH3usXx | its till got one of the best wysisyg editors ot there |
| 23:13.41 | rrowland | I would enjoy making the SC2 campaign because it's going to be played |
| 23:13.48 | AM_to]PM | Yay, I'll prolly buy it just for the custom games xD |
| 23:13.52 | Triceron | and tbh I don't know how much of the bnet 2.0 stuff will get in the way of actually playing the game |
| 23:13.53 | rrowland | I wouldn't enjoy making my own single player campaigns because they're rarely played |
| 23:14.00 | xXm0RPH3usXx | or lets say, its easier to use than most of the others and still is very much powerfull |
| 23:14.04 | Triceron | I couldn't care about public chat, identifiers or whatever anyways. |
| 23:14.09 | xXm0RPH3usXx | so even if you dont like bnet or the game itself |
| 23:14.13 | xXm0RPH3usXx | buy it for modding |
| 23:14.35 | Triceron | well that depends too morph |
| 23:14.46 | xXm0RPH3usXx | sure... |
| 23:14.47 | Triceron | I'm figuring |
| 23:14.49 | Alpha_vst | woot |
| 23:14.51 | xXm0RPH3usXx | udk is better |
| 23:14.58 | nSwarm | They've said they're adding in some of the things to bnet 2.0 that people were afraid wouldn't be in anyway, like cross-region support and chat channels |
| 23:14.58 | xXm0RPH3usXx | if u r serious with what u r doing |
| 23:14.59 | AM_to]PM | I'm just gonna have a heck of a time with the editor though, I have no idea how to code xD. I will probably turn out as an ok terainer though |
| 23:15.04 | xXm0RPH3usXx | but its much more complicated |
| 23:15.05 | Triceron | they'll put a premium pay service for selling maps |
| 23:15.14 | Triceron | like iphone apps |
| 23:15.14 | AM_to]PM | I know |
| 23:15.29 | AM_to]PM | Sux |
| 23:15.39 | xXm0RPH3usXx | depends on which side of the chain u r^^ |
| 23:15.45 | xXm0RPH3usXx | me as a modeler |
| 23:15.48 | xXm0RPH3usXx | i'm happy with it |
| 23:15.54 | AM_to]PM | hehe |
| 23:15.59 | rrowland | I'd rather work as a game designer period, but who wouldn't? The way in to game design is through level design |
| 23:15.59 | xXm0RPH3usXx | because this way all the time i put into my models |
| 23:16.06 | xXm0RPH3usXx | will be honored in some way |
| 23:16.06 | Triceron | AM, you can prolly find the sc2 editor somewhere online for download |
| 23:16.17 | Triceron | the beta client's prolly floating around somewhere |
| 23:16.19 | Triceron | and the patches |
| 23:16.30 | xXm0RPH3usXx | am i able to install the game now? |
| 23:16.31 | AM_to]PM | i've tried modling before, to crazy for me. Box modling = easy, playing with crazy ui = OO |
| 23:16.31 | Alpha_vst | yeah |
| 23:16.32 | xXm0RPH3usXx | i got a key |
| 23:16.37 | xXm0RPH3usXx | but had to format my computer |
| 23:16.38 | rrowland | And if I spent the rest of my life doing level design and never got into game design itself I'd still be a million times happier than working a normal 9-5 |
| 23:16.49 | Alpha_vst | same |
| 23:16.51 | Alpha_vst | :P |
| 23:17.00 | Alpha_vst | i love level design shit |
| 23:17.12 | heysparky | me too :D |
| 23:17.18 | Triceron | it's definately more fun than a regular 9-5 :P |
| 23:17.47 | Triceron | there's a lot of headaches in game design tho |
| 23:17.49 | heysparky | doesn't even need to be said |
| 23:17.52 | rrowland | I've never looked into it but I'm not sure if other companies regard making sc2 maps as very good portfolio material |
| 23:17.52 | AM_to]PM | So has anyone been working on a hero arena kinda like a battleground from wow? |
| 23:17.56 | rrowland | I would imagine they don't |
| 23:18.08 | xXm0RPH3usXx | me neither |
| 23:18.14 | Triceron | lot of guys I knew back at work always got stressed out |
| 23:18.17 | AM_to]PM | I've been thinking if I can learn to code the frigin thing on making an AB like map |
| 23:18.20 | xXm0RPH3usXx | or its really well made |
| 23:18.21 | heysparky | I think tehy would, but because it's a proprietary engine, it's less directly applicable |
| 23:18.32 | Alpha_vst | yeah |
| 23:18.38 | xXm0RPH3usXx | well, for level design |
| 23:18.41 | heysparky | than if you made something in, say, Unreal |
| 23:18.49 | xXm0RPH3usXx | u still have to have an eye for landscapes and such |
| 23:18.53 | xXm0RPH3usXx | that trains |
| 23:18.54 | rrowland | I can make stuff in anything |
| 23:19.05 | Alpha_vst | LBP GO |
| 23:19.14 | rrowland | I just have my mind set on working for blizz |
| 23:19.21 | Alpha_vst | :P |
| 23:19.22 | AM_to]PM | Exactly what I was thinking Alpha |
| 23:19.26 | AM_to]PM | :p |
| 23:19.31 | xXm0RPH3usXx | getting independent is the way to go :P |
| 23:19.46 | AM_to]PM | Though I've been really checking out LBP2 from E3 and its amzing what people can do with it now |
| 23:19.48 | heysparky | are you a programmer rrowland? |
| 23:19.49 | Alpha_vst | i picked up that level editor for 5 min and i was liek fuck that |
| 23:19.57 | rrowland | Yeah |
| 23:20.05 | AM_to]PM | Some dude made a 3d arcade shooter using only the 3 layers |
| 23:20.09 | heysparky | do you live in socal? |
| 23:20.12 | rrowland | And avid gaming fan, mostly of blizz titles |
| 23:20.13 | rrowland | Yeah |
| 23:20.34 | heysparky | because I know a guy with tools for nintendo and PSP who's interested in folks making indie projects |
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| 23:20.55 | heysparky | strictly speculative work |
| 23:21.05 | Dustin | Im thinking about making a game in the new UDK |
| 23:21.05 | Triceron | is there money in that? |
| 23:21.07 | Alpha_vst | i really wanted to do that at one point :P |
| 23:21.15 | Triceron | indie ds and psp games |
| 23:21.17 | AM_to]PM | Now let me whip out a dictionary and figure out what you meant by that xD xD xD |
| 23:21.18 | rrowland | If I detract from my goal towards working with blizz it'll have to be for a stable income |
| 23:21.24 | heysparky | he just launched a title for DSi, we'll see how it does |
| 23:21.32 | Triceron | cuz I figure the only games that sell are big name titles |
| 23:21.38 | Triceron | or for DS, Nintendo games. |
| 23:21.53 | Alpha_vst | what game sparky? |
| 23:21.56 | AM_to]PM | rrowland if you work for bliz you will end up workiong for money hog activision |
| 23:22.03 | AM_to]PM | aka work on a project and get fired |
| 23:22.05 | heysparky | it's an instrument really - rhythm core alph |
| 23:22.07 | heysparky | alpha |
| 23:22.12 | rrowland | What are you talking about? |
| 23:22.24 | Triceron | not if you get into Blizzard, AM |
| 23:22.28 | rrowland | I'm not in the habit of talking to people who have no idea what they're talking about |
| 23:22.37 | AM_to]PM | Nvm somthing I heard from a little forum troll xD |
| 23:22.38 | Triceron | Blizzard isn't tied to the same management as other Activision Blizzard branches |
| 23:23.33 | AM_to]PM | I forget where though... I think it was on ICCup? the dude was ranting about Activision or somthing I forget. Iwas just messin' around |
| 23:23.36 | Coding_Newb | i would suggest find a job at any gaming company first and gain the knowledge and experience and then move up to blizz |
| 23:23.39 | Alpha_vst | FUCKING IMPORT EDITOR ISNT SAVING SHIT GAH!!!!!!! |
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| 23:23.56 | heysparky | I don't know what Activision/Blizzard's moonlighting policies are |
| 23:24.32 | rrowland | I know that I have the knowledge and skills to fill the position |
| 23:24.49 | Coding_Newb | hey roww do u have an online portfolio? mind if i check it out |
| 23:24.54 | AM_to]PM | Obviously man I have seen some amazing stuff from you |
| 23:24.56 | rrowland | I'm not interested in spending 4 years getting a degree in what I already know, or getting experience in unrelated gaming fields |
| 23:25.12 | heysparky | do you have the temperment? |
| 23:25.15 | ProzaicMuze | well that was annoying, but yeah, rrowyland, I fixed the piercing bullet yesterday after you left |
| 23:25.25 | ProzaicMuze | all the buggs and even exact times/distanced |
| 23:25.55 | rrowland | The temperament? |
| 23:26.21 | rrowland | Nice prozaic |
| 23:26.30 | heysparky | designers and programmers are pretty different critters, at least, in my experience |
| 23:26.40 | Triceron | they are |
| 23:26.48 | rrowland | Dunno, I do both |
| 23:26.54 | rrowland | So maybe I have two temperaments |
| 23:27.17 | Coding_Newb | in some small companies programmers take care of both designing and writting the code |
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| 23:27.19 | Triceron | I know for a fact |
| 23:27.20 | ProzaicMuze | http://www.wikiupload.com/Q2CFeOnf |
| 23:27.26 | Triceron | they hire guys with no experience, tho |
| 23:27.31 | rrowland | I could probably design and develop an entire game by myself, minus the artwork |
| 23:27.32 | ProzaicMuze | Now, you can click anywhere on the map and it fires |
| 23:27.32 | Triceron | no work experience |
| 23:27.37 | RedWraith | Symmetrical lanes defined. Formula for start and end of lane found. |
| 23:27.46 | RedWraith | No-pathing zones written. |
| 23:27.47 | Triceron | I had a friend straight out of school get hired to do level design on WoW |
| 23:28.00 | rrowland | ugh |
| 23:28.15 | ProzaicMuze | You dont' have the down shooting, the missile travels slower so you can actually dodge it, the damage isn't "skipping" anything because of it. And you can control the bullet speed and travel distance through behaviors and movers |
| 23:28.17 | Coding_Newb | he must have had an amazing portfolio and cover letter :P |
| 23:28.17 | heysparky | wow, nice Triceron |
| 23:28.34 | Triceron | though he said the pay wasn't great, and cost of living was high |
| 23:28.40 | Dustin | Same rrowland :P |
| 23:28.45 | Dustin | I mean I COULD do the artwork |
| 23:28.47 | Triceron | junior level design position |
| 23:28.49 | Dustin | But it's not gonna be pretty |
| 23:28.53 | rrowland | I know I'm capable and I believe my portfolio is impressive, especially in the early stages of the editor. |
| 23:29.16 | rrowland | My only concern is my portfolio not being seen |
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| 23:30.13 | rrowland | Stressing myself out about it now |
| 23:30.13 | rrowland | Last-ditch scenario I'll be at blizzcon |
| 23:30.14 | rrowland | first in line to hand in my resume |
| 23:30.29 | Alpha_vst | LOL |
| 23:30.43 | xXm0RPH3usXx | you need to take a gib backpack with you |
| 23:30.46 | rrowland | They actually have a recruitment thing set up there |
| 23:30.52 | xXm0RPH3usXx | and when there are too many people around blizz |
| 23:30.53 | Alpha_vst | really? |
| 23:30.54 | rrowland | I'm not just making a joke :P |
| 23:30.56 | rrowland | Yeah |
| 23:30.58 | xXm0RPH3usXx | you jjust throw it over there |
| 23:31.00 | xXm0RPH3usXx | and cry |
| 23:31.02 | xXm0RPH3usXx | FOR ALLAH |
| 23:31.05 | Coding_Newb | i went there a couple years ago but they dont really do much |
| 23:31.07 | Dustin | I've got like 3 friends who work for blizz |
| 23:31.09 | xXm0RPH3usXx | then youll be the first one in the row |
| 23:31.57 | Coding_Newb | i saw a line of 10+ ppl at all times..i dunno how many ppl submit their resume, but i think a LOT |
| 23:32.04 | ProzaicMuze | rrowland, let me know if that's more to your liking |
| 23:32.16 | rrowland | Did you post a URL? |
| 23:32.19 | Alpha_vst | does sc2 support tga? |
| 23:32.21 | rrowland | I must have missed it |
| 23:32.26 | xXm0RPH3usXx | no |
| 23:32.29 | Alpha_vst | or png |
| 23:32.30 | xXm0RPH3usXx | dds |
| 23:32.35 | xXm0RPH3usXx | .dds |
| 23:32.43 | xXm0RPH3usXx | u need a plugin for photoshop |
| 23:32.43 | rrowland | For what? |
| 23:32.49 | Alpha_vst | for textures |
| 23:32.53 | xXm0RPH3usXx | .dds |
| 23:32.53 | rrowland | SC2 supports almost every extension |
| 23:33.00 | rrowland | For model textures I have no idea |
| 23:33.07 | xXm0RPH3usXx | .dds |
| 23:33.09 | Alpha_vst | becasue my alpha is being compessed on this model |
| 23:33.16 | Hati | meh dentalist tomorrow <.< |
| 23:33.16 | Alpha_vst | its not good |
| 23:33.27 | xXm0RPH3usXx | u need to save it as a .dds |
| 23:33.29 | Alpha_vst | and yes im ignoring your xXm0RPH3usXx |
| 23:33.40 | ProzaicMuze | @rrowland http://www.wikiupload.com/Q2CFeOnf |
| 23:33.52 | xXm0RPH3usXx | okay, then i'm not going to help you |
| 23:34.12 | Alpha_vst | your not helping me with screaming DDS |
| 23:34.22 | xXm0RPH3usXx | but its the answer |
| 23:34.27 | xXm0RPH3usXx | and if u dont say anything about it |
| 23:34.30 | Alpha_vst | im having a issue with DDS compressing my alpha channel |
| 23:34.32 | xXm0RPH3usXx | i think u overread it |
| 23:34.41 | xXm0RPH3usXx | u said u r using .tgas |
| 23:34.50 | Alpha_vst | i was asking... |
| 23:34.54 | xXm0RPH3usXx | ah, k |
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| 23:34.58 | xXm0RPH3usXx | then i misunderstood |
| 23:35.00 | RedWraith | Terraining complete. |
| 23:35.37 | Alpha_vst | http://i49.tinypic.com/mmrlgw.jpg <--- shouldnt be all blue |
| 23:35.46 | Triceron | SC2 supports tga and dds |
| 23:35.53 | Alpha_vst | ok |
| 23:35.59 | Triceron | though you'll have to be careful cuz tgas are huge |
| 23:36.19 | Dustin | Ya only use TGA's when you absolutely need highQuality |
| 23:36.23 | xXm0RPH3usXx | u could use an alpha mask, too |
| 23:36.26 | Alpha_vst | i really need this alpha channel |
| 23:36.36 | xXm0RPH3usXx | at least nintoxicaed somewhere said sc2 supports them |
| 23:36.49 | xXm0RPH3usXx | i didnt check myself |
| 23:36.49 | Triceron | your dds has no alpha? |
| 23:36.54 | Alpha_vst | it cant |
| 23:37.04 | Triceron | you don't want an alpha channel then? |
| 23:37.06 | Alpha_vst | i try setting 50% and teh compressign eats it |
| 23:37.20 | Alpha_vst | compression |
| 23:37.27 | Triceron | you mean the info in the alpha channel is being lost |
| 23:37.29 | ekcolnvkol | animation speeds are broken :( |
| 23:37.36 | ekcolnovkol | <_< |
| 23:37.41 | ekcolnovkol | broken-ass nick system |
| 23:37.58 | Triceron | looks fine to me, eckllwolejwanbnwaibnfwlol |
| 23:38.03 | Alpha_vst | yeah if the alpha isnt 100% or 0 the compression fucks it over |
| 23:38.19 | Triceron | I've had that happen to me as well |
| 23:38.21 | Alpha_vst | http://i49.tinypic.com/mmrlgw.jpg <--- looks dumb :P |
| 23:38.24 | ctccromer | how do you get a camera (DefaultCamera) to start out zoomed all the way IN when the game starts? |
| 23:38.33 | Triceron | I fixed it somehow, but I couldnt figure out what exactly I did to fix it |
| 23:38.42 | Triceron | I just kept saving till it worked :S |
| 23:38.59 | Alpha_vst | lol should i use something other than dxt5? |
| 23:39.07 | Triceron | no |
| 23:39.14 | Alpha_vst | i tried before it just broke everything |
| 23:39.17 | Triceron | dxt5 is supposed to be the setting |
| 23:39.27 | ekcolnovkol | hey alpha have you ever tinkered with animations speeds |
| 23:39.35 | ekcolnovkol | it's like the parameter does nothing |
| 23:39.35 | Alpha_vst | nope |
| 23:39.49 | RedWraith | Which is better? Spawn all units at once or one at a time? |
| 23:39.53 | Alpha_vst | probably does do nothing :P |
| 23:40.05 | ProzaicMuze | that look better rrowland? |
| 23:40.10 | RedWraith | All at once it is. |
| 23:40.23 | Triceron | what are you trying to achieve, Alpha? Can't tell by the screenshot |
| 23:40.31 | Triceron | you want the blue part faded or something? |
| 23:40.34 | xXm0RPH3usXx | looks like an aura |
| 23:42.27 | Triceron | huh, Kerrigan colors actually look better |
| 23:43.10 | Alpha_vst | yeah |
| 23:43.19 | Alpha_vst | i want it to show the texture |
| 23:43.41 | Alpha_vst | right now all i get is either the texture or full team color |
| 23:44.04 | Alpha_vst | going to use a tga and see if it works |
| 23:44.24 | Hati | night |
| 23:44.37 | xXm0RPH3usXx | n8 |
| 23:44.51 | xXm0RPH3usXx | whats the nickname change command? |
| 23:44.58 | RedWraith | Spawning done. |
| 23:45.06 | RedWraith | erm, spawn trigger* |
| 23:45.14 | *** join/#sc2mapster Adys (~Adys@unaffiliated/adys) |
| 23:47.34 | Alpha_vst | i think this worked |
| 23:47.38 | Alpha_vst | have to restart |
| 23:49.08 | *** join/#sc2mapster valkrail (~stephen@99.199.159.82) |
| 23:49.45 | Alpha_vst | What looks better A: http://i49.tinypic.com/mmrlgw.jpg or B: http://i50.tinypic.com/smt206.jpg |
| 23:49.47 | Alpha_vst | :P |
| 23:50.08 | Alpha_vst | woot |
| 23:50.42 | RedWraith | 1 |
| 23:50.43 | RedWraith | err |
| 23:50.43 | RedWraith | 2 |
| 23:50.45 | RedWraith | for sure 2 |
| 23:51.42 | casperb | b |
| 23:51.45 | Alpha_vst | haha i just got an amazing idea |
| 23:52.17 | Alpha_vst | those little circles are going to show what power ups you get for controlling the point :D |
| 23:52.36 | ctccromer | since you cant apply an integer to a bossbar.... what can i use (NOT IN A DIALOG) for a bar to display an integer? (starts at 0, some triggers increase or decrease the number) |
| 23:52.52 | Alpha_vst | a real |
| 23:53.07 | ctccromer | can reals be linked to bossbars? i thought i tried that |
| 23:53.17 | Alpha_vst | life is a real |
| 23:53.21 | casperb | you'll have to cast |
| 23:53.23 | casperb | nah it's fixed |
| 23:53.55 | Alpha_vst | using life in a variable is a real 0.o |
| 23:54.03 | casperb | nope fixed |
| 23:54.25 | Alpha_vst | then why do i use real? |
| 23:54.26 | rrowland | LIFE is REAL man |
| 23:54.41 | ctccromer | the bossbar "set to" option only allows UNIT variables |
| 23:54.43 | ctccromer | .. |
| 23:54.55 | casperb | dunno Alpha_vst, maybe you want to feel special? :P |
| 23:55.28 | casperb | Anyways boss bar's only display integers number anyways so doesn't really matter does it? :p |
| 23:56.16 | casperb | Alpha_vst: and you're doing an implicit cast i guess |
| 23:56.44 | Alpha_vst | So Should I have + and - effects for taking a point or just +? |
| 23:56.57 | ctccromer | i need to set the bossbar to the integer "Fear" but it'll only set to UNIT variables, not integers (or reals), casperb |
| 23:56.58 | casperb | meh i'm going to eat my hat if i'm wrong about this :p |
| 23:57.14 | casperb | ctccromer: handle it your self |
| 23:57.18 | casperb | refresh boss bar with the value |
| 23:57.39 | ctccromer | how do you SET the value to the bossbar in the first place?!?! |
| 23:58.06 | RedWraith | Okay, unit spawning and ordering is now handled, next for killing units that reach the end. |
| 23:58.08 | casperb | And it's fixed, fixed UnitGetPropertyFixed |
| 23:58.58 | casperb | :P |
