| 00:00.23 | depthsofchaos | no clue |
| 00:00.33 | Alpha_vst | cause its odd |
| 00:00.37 | redmarine | It isn't possible to change the height of actors -.- |
| 00:00.41 | Alpha_vst | the top 2 ros aer 2 off |
| 00:00.47 | Alpha_vst | and same with the bottom |
| 00:00.51 | Alpha_vst | in a 256 map |
| 00:00.54 | redmarine | How retarded is that... |
| 00:00.55 | depthsofchaos | it is marine ,read back wetold you 2 ways |
| 00:01.09 | depthsofchaos | 3 |
| 00:01.13 | redmarine | ingame? |
| 00:01.24 | depthsofchaos | you mean? |
| 00:01.33 | redmarine | I'm spawning these actors ingame |
| 00:01.38 | depthsofchaos | ye |
| 00:01.41 | depthsofchaos | i know |
| 00:01.42 | redmarine | I need to set their height to 2 |
| 00:01.53 | depthsofchaos | host site operation local offset |
| 00:01.56 | depthsofchaos | .............. |
| 00:02.06 | depthsofchaos | site operation is an actor |
| 00:02.37 | depthsofchaos | krakarn: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5OPYBQxTHg :o |
| 00:02.41 | depthsofchaos | i loved that |
| 00:03.29 | Krakarn | transport tycoon? :)' |
| 00:04.27 | depthsofchaos | no :o |
| 00:06.08 | redmarine | I can't find it. |
| 00:06.18 | redmarine | There are only two check boxes |
| 00:06.33 | depthsofchaos | omg i found ittt |
| 00:06.51 | depthsofchaos | Net- storm |
| 00:06.55 | depthsofchaos | is the title |
| 00:06.57 | depthsofchaos | gaah |
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| 00:07.32 | heysparky | yay :D |
| 00:07.49 | heysparky | never heard of it |
| 00:08.03 | redmarine | Going to create a post about it |
| 00:08.23 | depthsofchaos | dont ill make you an example map |
| 00:08.28 | depthsofchaos | 5 min |
| 00:08.39 | Krakarn | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Cz_SkFrovA |
| 00:08.40 | redmarine | ok |
| 00:09.13 | Alpha_vst | LAME FACE |
| 00:09.18 | depthsofchaos | ah good times rly cool game :p |
| 00:09.24 | Alpha_vst | i will sare my finding though |
| 00:09.28 | Krakarn | i somehow think ive seen this before, in the back of my head... |
| 00:09.44 | Alpha_vst | incase someone else wants to do some texture work |
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| 00:10.02 | Alpha_vst | that matches teh grid |
| 00:10.10 | Cromalic | anyone familiar with fraps recording? |
| 00:10.16 | Alpha_vst | sure |
| 00:10.21 | Alpha_vst | press f9 |
| 00:10.22 | Cromalic | hey alpha! |
| 00:10.24 | Cromalic | no shit |
| 00:10.25 | Cromalic | :D |
| 00:10.26 | Cromalic | but |
| 00:10.28 | Alpha_vst | lol |
| 00:10.28 | heysparky | come on you stupid queen JUMP |
| 00:10.33 | Alpha_vst | LOL |
| 00:10.43 | redmarine | Want the full version of fraps? :P |
| 00:10.48 | Cromalic | no |
| 00:10.51 | redmarine | k. |
| 00:10.58 | Cromalic | why, you want to send it to me? |
| 00:11.01 | Cromalic | :P |
| 00:11.09 | Cromalic | optimal resolution for 720p youtube upload? |
| 00:11.10 | redmarine | ;) |
| 00:11.42 | Alpha_vst | yeah the higher one just isnt worth it |
| 00:11.48 | Cromalic | yea i know |
| 00:11.55 | Cromalic | but what resolution should i play the game in? :P |
| 00:12.03 | Cromalic | is it 1680x1050? |
| 00:12.07 | Cromalic | for 720p? |
| 00:12.07 | bam_ftw | 640x480 |
| 00:12.09 | bam_ftw | like sc1 |
| 00:12.27 | Cromalic | and full-size recording? |
| 00:12.43 | redmarine | full size probably is your resolution |
| 00:12.52 | Cromalic | i know it is |
| 00:13.06 | Cromalic | but is it 1680x1050 that corresponds to 720p? |
| 00:13.13 | depthsofchaos | Krakarn and all thanks for the help btw :) i might make an sc map like this |
| 00:13.43 | Krakarn | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iY4Lf3pYKPY <3<3<3<3 |
| 00:13.51 | depthsofchaos | marine: http://www.mediafire.com/?dqnwugjnyuj |
| 00:14.13 | Krakarn | depthsofchaos nice :) |
| 00:14.55 | Alpha_vst | wtf now my texture not showing in the editor :( |
| 00:15.15 | heysparky | Alpha, stop breaking your mp |
| 00:15.31 | Alpha_vst | reload |
| 00:15.53 | Alpha_vst | heysparky im trying to find out how to make testures align to the grid 0.o |
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| 00:16.05 | Alpha_vst | it shoed in game |
| 00:16.11 | Krakarn | someone should make a map based off of PARASITE EX |
| 00:16.17 | Alpha_vst | yoiu |
| 00:16.53 | Alpha_vst | SO |
| 00:16.56 | Alpha_vst | I GOT IT |
| 00:17.01 | Alpha_vst | grids are 96x96 |
| 00:17.09 | Alpha_vst | per unit space |
| 00:17.16 | heysparky | good to know |
| 00:17.19 | Krakarn | time is 2 am here now ' |
| 00:17.28 | depthsofchaos | same |
| 00:17.37 | Alpha_vst | good to know? ive been trying to figure this out all day :P |
| 00:17.48 | redmarine | depthsofchaos, a screemshot of the setting would help more |
| 00:17.55 | redmarine | since I simply can't find it |
| 00:18.16 | Cromalic | does anyone have any good tips on recording resolution for best quality 720p youtube upload? |
| 00:18.19 | redmarine | using the eu client if that's anything |
| 00:18.30 | heysparky | lol, well, it's part of SC2mapster institutional knowledge now |
| 00:18.38 | Cromalic | and whether full or half size recording? |
| 00:18.48 | depthsofchaos | its in actors |
| 00:19.00 | Krakarn | ok |
| 00:19.06 | depthsofchaos | just select so it only shows your maps data |
| 00:19.11 | depthsofchaos | and check the green stuff |
| 00:19.27 | heysparky | all right, cookies for whoever can make my cargo-granted cliff-jumping work |
| 00:19.34 | Krakarn | what does that mean? that a range of 2 means 192 units??? |
| 00:19.49 | redmarine | o tyts, so I hpe Zoffset= |
| 00:19.55 | redmarine | So I had to type* |
| 00:20.22 | heysparky | seriously - it's my grail for the day |
| 00:20.37 | heysparky | like alpha's texture origin |
| 00:20.37 | heysparky | :) |
| 00:20.46 | heysparky | but I'm not gettin it |
| 00:20.47 | depthsofchaos | you mean the reaper jump stuff? |
| 00:20.57 | heysparky | I can grant the ability manually |
| 00:21.13 | depthsofchaos | tryed it with triggers? |
| 00:21.23 | heysparky | trying to keep it in dat |
| 00:21.24 | heysparky | data |
| 00:21.27 | heysparky | if at all possible |
| 00:21.39 | depthsofchaos | :pp it doesnt work you see |
| 00:21.50 | heysparky | maybe |
| 00:21.56 | heysparky | or maybe I'm doing it wrong |
| 00:22.09 | depthsofchaos | if they recieve the same behaviour and it shows up the icon |
| 00:22.12 | depthsofchaos | then definetly not |
| 00:22.42 | heysparky | anyway, I can grant the behavior normally, by giving it to the unit, but I can't grant it by aura... I don't have an icon associated with it |
| 00:23.15 | heysparky | other auras granting more straightforward buffs work |
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| 00:23.58 | redmarine | depthsofchaos, just typing in ZOffset doesn't do it. |
| 00:24.24 | depthsofchaos | what? ZOffset is a host site operation |
| 00:24.28 | depthsofchaos | an actor |
| 00:24.33 | depthsofchaos | you need to copy it or make it |
| 00:24.41 | redmarine | Oh like that. |
| 00:25.09 | Krakarn | heysparky what are you trying to do exacttly? |
| 00:25.20 | Krakarn | and what problem occurred? |
| 00:25.21 | redmarine | depthsofchaos, where do I create these operations? |
| 00:25.39 | depthsofchaos | change the actors type |
| 00:25.58 | heysparky | Krakarn, I have Queens that can transport |
| 00:26.01 | depthsofchaos | but look at the example thats why i made it |
| 00:26.21 | heysparky | they can pick up powerups (radioactive waste) that give them different abilties |
| 00:26.27 | heysparky | the attack buff works |
| 00:26.29 | heysparky | the speed buff works |
| 00:26.38 | heysparky | thus far, the cliff jumping buff doesn't |
| 00:26.47 | redmarine | depthsofchaos, sadly, the only change visible is the Hosting line in the data editor. |
| 00:27.20 | heysparky | I am granting jump the same way I grant teh speed and attack buffs, by aura |
| 00:27.23 | depthsofchaos | well you can see the actor is offseted so it must be there |
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| 00:28.08 | redmarine | I can't see any value field for zoffset or anything |
| 00:28.33 | redmarine | what version of the client are you using? I'm using GB |
| 00:28.40 | Krakarn | heysparky how does the powerups work exactly? |
| 00:28.55 | heysparky | are you familiar with how to make an aura? |
| 00:29.27 | heysparky | (if not, bifuu's aura tutorial is pretty swank) |
| 00:29.47 | depthsofchaos | mine too |
| 00:30.13 | heysparky | ? |
| 00:30.15 | heysparky | http://forums.sc2mapster.com/development/tutorials/1582-video-data-aura-abilities/ |
| 00:30.20 | redmarine | Could you send me a screenshot of the field? |
| 00:30.56 | depthsofchaos | its not a field its an acaaaaaaaaaaaaaaactorrrr |
| 00:31.09 | redmarine | an actor called zoffset= |
| 00:31.12 | redmarine | ? |
| 00:31.29 | depthsofchaos | yes |
| 00:31.40 | redmarine | k |
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| 00:33.00 | Alpha_vst | hmmmm fuck me |
| 00:33.13 | depthsofchaos | sparky |
| 00:33.16 | depthsofchaos | it works for me |
| 00:33.41 | depthsofchaos | want the exmapple? |
| 00:35.33 | Alpha_vst | textures seem to be stretched to 1024x1024 |
| 00:35.37 | Alpha_vst | 0.o |
| 00:37.42 | heysparky | do share! |
| 00:38.15 | Alpha_vst | i have not got it yet |
| 00:38.17 | Krakarn | well it works if the queen has cliff jumper as mover and you can add the behaviour by trigger :)' |
| 00:38.26 | heysparky | this I know |
| 00:38.46 | heysparky | I began by saying I could add the behavior in the DE directly to the unit |
| 00:38.48 | Krakarn | ok |
| 00:38.59 | heysparky | but it's not working when it's granted by aura |
| 00:39.06 | heysparky | or I'm not granting it right |
| 00:39.13 | Alpha_vst | but it looks like they also add 32 pixels per side for addin a seamless boarder |
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| 00:39.16 | depthsofchaos | you use searc area? |
| 00:39.28 | depthsofchaos | if its a tutorial i guess it excludes caster |
| 00:39.37 | heysparky | yup |
| 00:39.38 | Alpha_vst | i lamost have this |
| 00:39.40 | heysparky | it's okay if it excludes caster |
| 00:39.52 | depthsofchaos | you dont wnat the queen to jump? |
| 00:39.55 | heysparky | it's cargo granting the aura |
| 00:40.02 | depthsofchaos | oh ok |
| 00:40.07 | heysparky | so the caster is the cargo |
| 00:40.50 | depthsofchaos | http://www.mediafire.com/?2zjyz22ztdm |
| 00:41.03 | depthsofchaos | well nothing special in this just the aura adding it |
| 00:41.24 | depthsofchaos | i dudnt make the caster a cargo unit tho |
| 00:41.28 | heysparky | checking it out |
| 00:41.43 | heysparky | I may have to leave without notice |
| 00:42.12 | heysparky | just so's ya know |
| 00:43.18 | redmarine | depthsofchaos, okay it works just fine on other models except mine. |
| 00:43.49 | depthsofchaos | lol? |
| 00:43.50 | redmarine | Think I found the problem |
| 00:43.52 | depthsofchaos | all other but yours? |
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| 00:43.56 | redmarine | Should work lol |
| 00:44.04 | redmarine | Just some mistake I made |
| 00:44.22 | Alpha_vst | this is really frustrating |
| 00:44.51 | depthsofchaos | cant help i never imported terrain :/ |
| 00:44.58 | redmarine | depthsofchaos, thanks so much. I really appreciated it. |
| 00:45.02 | depthsofchaos | np |
| 00:45.05 | redmarine | everything works just nicely now. |
| 00:45.09 | heysparky | cool, DoC... I'll dig into that later |
| 00:45.12 | Alpha_vst | its not that its not working |
| 00:45.16 | heysparky | that's pretty awesome |
| 00:45.22 | heysparky | thanks for the demomap |
| 00:45.25 | depthsofchaos | np |
| 00:45.26 | Alpha_vst | getting it to align to the grid is the issue |
| 00:45.28 | Alpha_vst | :( |
| 00:45.56 | depthsofchaos | you want your grids to match editor grids |
| 00:45.58 | depthsofchaos | ? |
| 00:46.24 | heysparky | later folks |
| 00:46.32 | depthsofchaos | cu |
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| 00:47.31 | depthsofchaos | heh i cant make net-storm in sc2 |
| 00:47.43 | depthsofchaos | i would need terrain objects :/ |
| 00:47.48 | depthsofchaos | which are so buggy |
| 00:47.48 | Alpha_vst | 92 doesnt fit inside of 1024 :( |
| 00:48.08 | RedWraith | Red Wraith reporting in. |
| 00:49.09 | RedWraith | I have discovered an O(1) method for maze wall detection. |
| 00:49.26 | RedWraith | However, I am currenty without a method to properly handle removal of pieces. |
| 00:49.43 | Alpha_vst | how would i align something that is 96x96 pixels into a 1024x1024 image |
| 00:50.03 | RedWraith | In the method, there is an array of spots corresponding to the footprints of structures. |
| 00:50.11 | RedWraith | Each of these array spots are marked left, right or neither. |
| 00:50.14 | RedWraith | erm |
| 00:50.16 | RedWraith | neither/unoccupied. |
| 00:50.38 | RedWraith | When a new spot is placed, if it is adjacent to the left wall or a left piece, it becomes left. Same with the right. |
| 00:50.53 | RedWraith | It then does a recursive call on all of the neither pieces adjacent to it. |
| 00:51.08 | RedWraith | which then continue the recursive cal until no unoccupied pieces remain. |
| 00:51.28 | RedWraith | If a spot is adjacent to both left and right, building will be canceled and an error message given. |
| 00:51.49 | RedWraith | a |
| 00:52.22 | RedWraith | Is this clear to anyone who cares, yes/no? |
| 00:52.35 | depthsofchaos | array spot? |
| 00:52.52 | depthsofchaos | whats stored in an array element |
| 00:52.57 | RedWraith | A two dimensional array corresponding to physical points in the map. |
| 00:53.03 | RedWraith | left/right/unoccupied |
| 00:53.07 | RedWraith | 1/2/3 |
| 00:53.08 | Krakarn | just saw the aura tut, kinda complicated :)' |
| 00:53.12 | RedWraith | 0 is no structure |
| 00:53.20 | Krakarn | oh hes gone |
| 00:54.38 | RedWraith | Any other questions? :) How to do removal is the one thing I'm missing. |
| 00:54.46 | RedWraith | I'd like to figure it out, but I think it's going to be pretty messy. |
| 00:55.16 | depthsofchaos | well removal is the inverse of placement :p |
| 00:55.29 | depthsofchaos | but id have to see the algorithm to fully understand |
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| 00:56.46 | RedWraith | I'll write it up when I have a good, general way to implement it (namely lining up squares and detecting building placement) and a removal method. |
| 00:57.05 | RedWraith | and then I'll make a map to show it off and people will be like |
| 00:57.07 | RedWraith | daaaaaaaamn |
| 00:57.57 | RedWraith | because Warcraft 3 had no maps which handled it effectively |
| 00:58.02 | RedWraith | They all did unit attacks. |
| 00:59.50 | depthsofchaos | your problem with removal is detecting the parts created? |
| 00:59.56 | RedWraith | No, no. |
| 01:00.11 | Alpha_vst | i think im amazing but we shall see |
| 01:00.15 | RedWraith | Okay, with addition I can do a recursive function call on all the surrounded array indeces. |
| 01:00.34 | RedWraith | However, with removal, I have to re-declare certain parts as no longer connected to the left |
| 01:00.42 | RedWraith | or the right |
| 01:00.48 | RedWraith | if it was one of those two |
| 01:01.47 | RedWraith | I have to detect a section becoming an island, detatched from either wall. |
| 01:01.47 | Alpha_vst | nope it fucking resized it |
| 01:01.47 | Alpha_vst | FUCK YOU GAME |
| 01:01.47 | RedWraith | Alpha, you need to calm down. |
| 01:01.47 | redmarine | We lost the game. |
| 01:01.47 | RedWraith | GODDAMNIT |
| 01:02.02 | RedWraith | redmarine, you can't lose. You wear the pride of red! |
| 01:02.02 | Alpha_vst | its impossible to math a texture to the aliment grid :( |
| 01:02.09 | Alpha_vst | match |
| 01:02.25 | RedWraith | lol, I should see if the graph paper one aligns. |
| 01:02.39 | depthsofchaos | funny this net-storm game is sort of an e-sport :p |
| 01:02.42 | depthsofchaos | mini e-sport |
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| 01:02.47 | redmarine | RedWraith, true but I'm a firm loyal /b/tard so I must declare my loss. |
| 01:02.49 | RedWraith | net-storm? |
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| 01:02.59 | casperb | Alpha_vst: oh you're talking about the placement grid? |
| 01:03.00 | depthsofchaos | a really old game for win 95 |
| 01:03.09 | RedWraith | 10-4 |
| 01:03.09 | casperb | Alpha_vst: different from vertex grid :p |
| 01:03.28 | Alpha_vst | there is only 1 grid... |
| 01:03.37 | depthsofchaos | wraith i rly cant help you sry its 3 am here im not capable xD |
| 01:03.52 | casperb | placement grid has configurable unit size IIRC |
| 01:04.06 | casperb | gameplay data |
| 01:04.32 | Alpha_vst | what |
| 01:04.36 | casperb | sec |
| 01:04.42 | casperb | lemme see if i'm way off o.o |
| 01:04.47 | casperb | might just be the UI thing |
| 01:05.01 | RedWraith | ~seen tehwildcard |
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| 01:05.25 | casperb | Think it's just the ingame grid |
| 01:05.32 | casperb | so nevermind :p |
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| 01:05.52 | depthsofchaos | anyone got an idea how to create islands ?:o in the air dynamicaly |
| 01:06.07 | RedWraith | What do you mean? |
| 01:06.09 | casperb | hm yeah :p |
| 01:06.14 | RedWraith | you mean where you can walk below and above? |
| 01:06.25 | depthsofchaos | no only above |
| 01:06.32 | casperb | only different heights right? |
| 01:06.35 | RedWraith | paint the texture as invisible |
| 01:06.37 | RedWraith | or something |
| 01:06.42 | RedWraith | if you mean like |
| 01:06.43 | RedWraith | a unit |
| 01:06.48 | RedWraith | then just place it with height |
| 01:06.58 | RedWraith | can't place terrain dynamically |
| 01:07.07 | depthsofchaos | i want it unpathable until the island is created |
| 01:07.08 | casperb | You can deform it |
| 01:07.14 | Alpha_vst | yeah that grid option doesnt do anything |
| 01:07.39 | depthsofchaos | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7Jopog6-tg like in this game |
| 01:07.55 | depthsofchaos | but terrain objects are way too bugy |
| 01:08.17 | casperb | Terrain objects are fine, but lack the dynamicness |
| 01:08.28 | casperb | no bugs with them whatsoever tho just FYI :P |
| 01:09.07 | casperb | depthsofchaos: anyways If you raise the terrain, hide the cells around it and also raise a cliff level, it looks pretty good with most tilesets |
| 01:09.49 | casperb | and pathing can be changed on the fly |
| 01:09.58 | casperb | it's just not in GUI |
| 01:10.19 | casperb | Only issue with doing it dynamically would be cliffs, not sure if you can raise cliffs on the fly |
| 01:10.20 | depthsofchaos | well i dont think it can be this dynamic |
| 01:10.40 | depthsofchaos | i mean removing/adding pathing |
| 01:10.46 | casperb | it can |
| 01:10.56 | casperb | PathingModify and PathingUpdate |
| 01:11.13 | Coding_Newb | Lakers !!! |
| 01:11.15 | casperb | PathingModify basically lets you add/remove regions |
| 01:11.22 | casperb | PathingUpdate applies it |
| 01:11.29 | depthsofchaos | oh sweet thanks |
| 01:11.30 | casperb | And reset, which resets to load state |
| 01:11.51 | Triceron | when do you guys think pc bluray drives will become standardized? |
| 01:11.53 | depthsofchaos | if i hide terrain cells does the background show? |
| 01:12.06 | depthsofchaos | skybox i mean |
| 01:12.06 | redmarine | Triceron, they won |
| 01:12.07 | casperb | It should, i've been having some bugs with that o.o |
| 01:12.09 | redmarine | won't |
| 01:12.23 | Triceron | so we're gonna be stuck wtih DVD? |
| 01:12.25 | redmarine | Triceron, it'll all be via the internet |
| 01:12.27 | Triceron | for the next X years? |
| 01:12.29 | casperb | It shows through my tiles 50% of the times i load my map, kinda weird |
| 01:12.37 | Triceron | you can't get that high quality through streaming |
| 01:12.38 | depthsofchaos | hmm :) |
| 01:12.39 | redmarine | Triceron, physical storage is so old |
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| 01:12.55 | redmarine | What country do you live in? |
| 01:13.04 | Vulfe | Bunker specular mapping links to the emissive map |
| 01:13.05 | Vulfe | fml |
| 01:13.09 | Triceron | have you never bought a bluray movie? |
| 01:13.13 | depthsofchaos | ok thx im off gona try later |
| 01:13.14 | redmarine | :o |
| 01:13.18 | depthsofchaos | gn8 all |
| 01:13.19 | redmarine | I don't own a blueray player |
| 01:13.25 | redmarine | But the internet is great where I live |
| 01:13.32 | casperb | post a video of whatever you come up with depthsofchaos :D |
| 01:13.34 | redmarine | high speed and unlimited cheap |
| 01:13.35 | Triceron | streaming only goes so far |
| 01:13.49 | Triceron | I don't want to be downloading/streaming a movie when I want to watch it |
| 01:13.49 | redmarine | the quality sure |
| 01:13.55 | Triceron | yes, the quality |
| 01:14.07 | redmarine | That's what you got YouTube and TPB for. |
| 01:14.20 | Triceron | so you're gonna watch Avatar through youtube and tpb? |
| 01:14.25 | casperb | eww noo |
| 01:14.31 | Triceron | that's what you're telling me? |
| 01:14.31 | redmarine | Quantity over video quality |
| 01:14.43 | Triceron | you're telling me you'll watch Avatar through that |
| 01:14.50 | redmarine | Nah, watched it in the theather |
| 01:14.57 | redmarine | at* |
| 01:15.08 | Triceron | do you have a HDtv? |
| 01:15.10 | redmarine | 2D movies at home |
| 01:15.18 | redmarine | 3D movies at the theathers |
| 01:15.20 | redmarine | Nope. |
| 01:15.21 | casperb | meh i need to watch that movie again, was just admiring the CGI the first time :p |
| 01:15.29 | Triceron | k |
| 01:15.34 | redmarine | Then again, I'm guessing it is the new stuff |
| 01:15.43 | redmarine | Watching in High definition |
| 01:15.53 | redmarine | Even though it doesn't really matter so much |
| 01:16.00 | Triceron | Bluray movies on a 52 inch tv screen are an experience |
| 01:16.21 | Triceron | I was a PC enthusiast before, thought monitor was just as good since I could get higher resolutions than any TV, who cared. |
| 01:16.32 | Triceron | then I actually watched a blu ray movie on a big screen |
| 01:16.41 | Triceron | and seeing details like pores on a guys face... |
| 01:16.48 | Triceron | it's so damned clear |
| 01:17.10 | redmarine | That's a given |
| 01:17.16 | redmarine | The quality will be better |
| 01:17.18 | Triceron | but the thing is the more blu ray movies I'm getting |
| 01:17.30 | Triceron | I can't watch any of that on PC, have to watch it on TV only |
| 01:17.37 | Triceron | and some stuff I plan to get are series |
| 01:17.42 | redmarine | Dude, connect the two? |
| 01:17.43 | Triceron | there's really no point in getting DVDs anymore |
| 01:17.50 | Triceron | one is in living room |
| 01:17.52 | Triceron | one is in my room |
| 01:18.00 | redmarine | Then using a base or something |
| 01:18.02 | Triceron | sometimes I want to have something playing while I work |
| 01:18.02 | redmarine | wirelessly |
| 01:18.11 | Triceron | like playing on my desktop |
| 01:18.13 | Triceron | in a tiny window |
| 01:18.20 | redmarine | Then it isn't HD |
| 01:18.36 | redmarine | oh nvm |
| 01:18.41 | Triceron | well if I buy the movie, why would I really want to download it again? |
| 01:18.59 | redmarine | No need to download |
| 01:19.02 | redmarine | There are streams |
| 01:19.15 | redmarine | Everything is free on the internet |
| 01:19.30 | Triceron | that's not the point |
| 01:19.33 | redmarine | Even with decent quality |
| 01:19.55 | Triceron | you ever buy a movie collectors edition and watch the special features or stuff with commentary? |
| 01:20.02 | redmarine | Nope. |
| 01:20.07 | Triceron | exactly my point |
| 01:20.09 | redmarine | Only for games |
| 01:20.23 | redmarine | I don't buy DVDs unless I have to burn something for a friend |
| 01:20.32 | Triceron | it's free but it's not everything |
| 01:21.24 | Triceron | well, no HDtv, no physical copies, I'm talking to the wrong person then, no offense. |
| 01:21.37 | redmarine | Yep |
| 01:21.43 | redmarine | I don't have the same mindset |
| 01:21.49 | redmarine | I don't care about graphics |
| 01:21.51 | redmarine | quality |
| 01:21.57 | redmarine | only the storylines |
| 01:22.02 | redmarine | their epicness etc. |
| 01:22.07 | Vulfe | Blizzard is so wasteful on their UV mapping |
| 01:22.08 | redmarine | how well they are executed |
| 01:22.08 | Vulfe | OMG |
| 01:22.21 | Triceron | I like to have something playing on the side while I work |
| 01:22.22 | redmarine | character development etc. |
| 01:22.28 | redmarine | Same. |
| 01:22.34 | redmarine | But that's only music |
| 01:22.59 | redmarine | Like a YouTube playlist going through a collection of songs |
| 01:23.25 | Triceron | and streaming takes up ram I can't afford when I'm doing stuff that eats up ram |
| 01:23.48 | redmarine | Well, I've never broken the 2.5 GB mark |
| 01:23.55 | redmarine | I have 4 GB |
| 01:24.04 | Triceron | I have 2gb and I do high poly modelling |
| 01:24.08 | redmarine | Even with lots of games open |
| 01:24.12 | redmarine | Oh I see. |
| 01:24.17 | redmarine | That's really consuming |
| 01:24.21 | Triceron | yep |
| 01:24.52 | redmarine | z brushing high poly models and you'll need a lot more than that |
| 01:25.07 | Triceron | that's what I'm using |
| 01:25.14 | redmarine | I see |
| 01:26.50 | Triceron | I've been planning on getting a new comp, but I'd like one with a bluray player built in |
| 01:26.59 | Triceron | or come with one |
| 01:27.07 | redmarine | There are already a couple of them |
| 01:27.16 | Alpha_vst | lol |
| 01:27.28 | casperb | zbrush is freakishly effecient tho |
| 01:27.33 | Triceron | zbrush is |
| 01:27.34 | Alpha_vst | buy a ps3 it plays games also |
| 01:27.39 | Triceron | 2gb is fine for what I have |
| 01:27.41 | redmarine | Perhaps you could be a seperate blueray connected to USB3? |
| 01:27.51 | Triceron | but if I start doing other stuff while I have zbrush running, it slows |
| 01:28.07 | redmarine | Meh, just buy a second monitor |
| 01:28.12 | nicoli_s | im so shitty with anythint bu box modelling |
| 01:28.15 | Triceron | I do have 2 monitors |
| 01:28.16 | redmarine | and let the TV stream film to it |
| 01:28.20 | redmarine | then get another one |
| 01:28.23 | Triceron | one of my monitors is a cintiq |
| 01:28.27 | Triceron | I don't have deskspace for 3 |
| 01:28.34 | redmarine | put it on the wall |
| 01:28.39 | Alpha_vst | lol |
| 01:28.39 | Triceron | buy a new house |
| 01:28.43 | redmarine | lol |
| 01:28.58 | redmarine | move to the living room |
| 01:29.16 | Triceron | get a midget to hold up the TV |
| 01:29.21 | Triceron | hell, I'll get 2. |
| 01:29.26 | casperb | Are midgets free? |
| 01:29.39 | Triceron | they can be if you slave em out |
| 01:29.55 | redmarine | They're optional and cost a monthly fee |
| 01:30.19 | redmarine | that is how free they'll be if you manage to enslave them |
| 01:30.35 | casperb | gotta catch them in the woods? |
| 01:30.43 | casperb | Or what, where do they grow? |
| 01:31.05 | redmarine | No... They can only be found in the Galaxy Editor flaws. They grow near the field values in the data editor. |
| 01:31.19 | casperb | Ahhh! |
| 01:31.31 | redmarine | It's a really confusing place so it isn't recommended. People say that people who venture to the data editor are rarely seen again |
| 01:31.31 | Triceron | they're very abundant |
| 01:31.41 | casperb | hehe Triceron any new wip's? |
| 01:31.51 | Triceron | working on my zerg unit right now |
| 01:32.04 | casperb | the hydratoss? |
| 01:32.14 | Triceron | nah, that guys pure protoss |
| 01:32.24 | Triceron | he really look like a hydra? |
| 01:32.37 | Triceron | guess I need to change the robe more |
| 01:32.52 | casperb | Kinda, guess you used hydra as a base mesh? |
| 01:33.01 | Triceron | nope, 100% new model |
| 01:33.46 | Triceron | the only unit I used a base mesh for is the ghost, and mostly for test purposes |
| 01:33.55 | RedWraith | Red Wraith is back. |
| 01:34.12 | RedWraith | I have solved the problem involving removal, but I wonder if there is a better solution. |
| 01:34.16 | casperb | I'm going to cheat and use marine as a ref plane o.o |
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| 01:35.03 | RedWraith | My current idea is to recursively trace the island in the center either all around or until I hit an edge. If I go around, I'l recursively modify the island into the unaffiliated state. |
| 01:35.49 | RedWraith | Alternatively, I could recursively undo the side, then swap it back to right/left if it hits a wall. |
| 01:36.05 | casperb | Hm missed the original problem, what are you working on? |
| 01:36.14 | RedWraith | Wall problem in TDs. |
| 01:36.23 | RedWraith | Mazing TDs* |
| 01:36.45 | RedWraith | Brief explanation: |
| 01:36.57 | RedWraith | I have points declared empty/unaffiliated/left/right. |
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| 01:37.31 | RedWraith | When I create a point, i.e. a building, if it's next to a left or right it becomes that and then recursively checks for unaffiliated spots next to it until none exist, then those squares do it, ad infinitum like a plague. |
| 01:37.58 | RedWraith | Because a spot that would be declared both left and right would be a bridge, I can prevent the building from ever being created. |
| 01:38.19 | RedWraith | However, removal is considerably more complex than addition since I might need to reset some spots to being unaffiliated with either side. |
| 01:38.37 | RedWraith | I should totally make a side vs. side minigame based on this. |
| 01:38.38 | RedWraith | lol |
| 01:39.46 | RedWraith | Those are my two current 'efficient' ideas for removal. |
| 01:40.40 | RedWraith | I also thought of declaring all of the pieces further to the left/right of the removed piece as false then re-declaring them, but that's almost certainly slower than these two methods. |
| 01:40.52 | RedWraith | The perimeter one seems like it should be the fastest and simplest. |
| 01:41.09 | RedWraith | It also requires the least amount of data to check if a region is truly an island. |
| 01:41.10 | Vulfe | you could also do the ghetto wc3 solution |
| 01:41.15 | RedWraith | Yeah, fuck that. |
| 01:41.40 | Vulfe | make an invisible unit run through! |
| 01:41.41 | Vulfe | woosh |
| 01:41.47 | RedWraith | God, you're like Clord. |
| 01:41.51 | RedWraith | Such a terrible solution. |
| 01:42.12 | casperb | lol |
| 01:42.18 | Vulfe | preventing the building from being built in the first place is better |
| 01:42.21 | Vulfe | i agree |
| 01:42.42 | RedWraith | Good. |
| 01:42.54 | Vulfe | i would do it that way too |
| 01:43.03 | RedWraith | Because I want people to be like 'WOW!' when they see that an algorithm prevented them from placing it, rather than brute force. |
| 01:43.08 | Vulfe | i just like offering bad solutions |
| 01:43.17 | RedWraith | The 'maze trace' methods are really weak, though. |
| 01:43.21 | RedWraith | There are two of them, I'd say |
| 01:43.27 | Vulfe | how do I get rid of this model I don't like? delete the map. |
| 01:43.35 | RedWraith | one where it walks along towers looking for walls |
| 01:43.43 | RedWraith | and the other where it walks along empty squares looking to be stopped |
| 01:43.52 | RedWraith | delete system32 |
| 01:44.09 | Vulfe | that works too |
| 01:44.16 | casperb | format c |
| 01:44.19 | Vulfe | does that delete the file though, or just prevent you from running it? |
| 01:44.26 | Vulfe | system32 that is |
| 01:44.28 | RedWraith | I...don't know. |
| 01:44.33 | Vulfe | lol |
| 01:44.34 | Vulfe | not formatting the c drive |
| 01:44.34 | RedWraith | probably keeps it on the RAM |
| 01:44.41 | RedWraith | so you can delete them |
| 01:44.47 | RedWraith | and prevents running soon after/next boot. |
| 01:44.56 | Vulfe | grr |
| 01:44.57 | Triceron | pour orange juice onto the cpu |
| 01:45.08 | Vulfe | that takes too much effort |
| 01:45.08 | Vulfe | imo |
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| 01:45.26 | casperb | Vulfe: was that a serious question btw? :p |
| 01:46.01 | Vulfe | no, casperb, that wasn't a serious question |
| 01:46.19 | Vulfe | also, is there actually support for specular mapping in imported models? |
| 01:46.21 | Vulfe | : ( |
| 01:46.30 | casperb | yep |
| 01:46.39 | Vulfe | there better be |
| 01:46.50 | casperb | And NiN's exporter supports it |
| 01:46.53 | RedWraith | okay, so |
| 01:46.54 | Alpha_vst | omg i think i might have to use 2 textures 0.o |
| 01:47.00 | Triceron | yes there is |
| 01:47.03 | RedWraith | are there any other "tough" problems involved with TDs? |
| 01:47.10 | Alpha_vst | lag |
| 01:47.14 | RedWraith | I'd like to solve them, then write the solutions in the trigger editor. |
| 01:47.15 | RedWraith | -- |
| 01:47.16 | casperb | making it fun |
| 01:47.21 | RedWraith | rofl casperb |
| 01:47.28 | Alpha_vst | most td end up laging to death |
| 01:47.32 | Alpha_vst | and people leave |
| 01:47.39 | Triceron | players who don't die on wave 5 |
| 01:47.43 | casperb | major crap TD's in the top 5 just before the beta ended |
| 01:47.49 | Alpha_vst | yeah |
| 01:47.51 | RedWraith | mmm that's more of a 'too many unit's' problem mixed with Warcraft 3's lack of garbage collection. |
| 01:47.53 | Vulfe | you should make a TD where people see how it's made via tags all over the map |
| 01:47.54 | Vulfe | Lol. |
| 01:48.01 | Vulfe | write the triggers on the map in areas they apply to! |
| 01:48.11 | RedWraith | That's hilarious and awesome. |
| 01:48.18 | RedWraith | I feel like I could make a TD pretty easily. |
| 01:48.26 | RedWraith | The tough part would be making the towers. |
| 01:48.30 | RedWraith | Towers are a bitch. |
| 01:48.38 | Alpha_vst | lol |
| 01:48.39 | RedWraith | Since they're all unique weapons types. |
| 01:48.46 | Alpha_vst | yeah |
| 01:48.46 | Vulfe | pfft |
| 01:48.47 | Vulfe | towers |
| 01:48.49 | Vulfe | no thanks. |
| 01:49.03 | RedWraith | Well, either way, gonna revolutionize TDs since Tehwildcard isn't here. |
| 01:49.08 | Vulfe | I prefer to go overboard on my attacks and do everything via projectile behaviors |
| 01:49.08 | Vulfe | lol |
| 01:49.11 | Hati | night |
| 01:49.17 | RedWraith | I only make non-revisional improvements to sentry scramble with him around. |
| 01:49.21 | Repo | New map: http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/reflex-te/. Reflex TE. Cadecus (Manager/Author). Approved by xhatix. |
| 01:49.29 | Triceron | what's tehwildcard doing? |
| 01:49.32 | RedWraith | not sure |
| 01:49.35 | RedWraith | ~seen tehwildcard |
| 01:49.37 | purl | tehwildcard <~Jer@pool-71-122-122-129.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #sc2mapster, 6d 18h 6m 20s ago, saying: 'http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0u5HwLR9Brc'. |
| 01:49.39 | RedWraith | That's what he's doing. |
| 01:49.42 | RedWraith | Not being here. |
| 01:49.44 | Triceron | I keep people doing that |
| 01:49.46 | RedWraith | He's been gone a week. |
| 01:49.48 | Vulfe | does sentry scramble have a randomized map? |
| 01:49.51 | RedWraith | Yes. |
| 01:49.53 | RedWraith | I made it. |
| 01:49.56 | Vulfe | thought so |
| 01:49.57 | Vulfe | I know |
| 01:49.59 | Vulfe | jesus |
| 01:50.02 | Vulfe | you just said that already |
| 01:50.04 | Vulfe | I'm not blind |
| 01:50.04 | RedWraith | :) |
| 01:50.05 | Vulfe | anyway |
| 01:50.06 | Triceron | lol |
| 01:50.14 | Vulfe | of |
| 01:50.16 | Vulfe | oh |
| 01:50.20 | RedWraith | Vulfe, I feel like I need to repeat myself on a regular basis, but you give me hope. |
| 01:50.26 | Vulfe | tehwildcard's last post was a video of husky playing your game |
| 01:50.27 | Vulfe | lol |
| 01:50.40 | RedWraith | He also made it. |
| 01:50.42 | Vulfe | ok |
| 01:50.45 | Triceron | ah |
| 01:50.45 | RedWraith | He did the lighting, the fires, etc. |
| 01:50.57 | RedWraith | Mostly graphics. |
| 01:51.03 | RedWraith | He's pretty much the art to my science. |
| 01:51.52 | RedWraith | I can make art, but I prefer solving important problems. |
| 01:52.13 | Vulfe | ah |
| 01:52.19 | Vulfe | so he can make particle effects |
| 01:52.22 | Vulfe | and you can actually make games |
| 01:52.23 | RedWraith | Yeah. |
| 01:52.23 | Vulfe | cool |
| 01:52.40 | RedWraith | It would be less cool if not for him. |
| 01:52.41 | Vulfe | my partner in TSM is kind of like that |
| 01:52.46 | RedWraith | TSM? |
| 01:52.50 | Vulfe | Team Spawn More |
| 01:52.53 | Vulfe | 2 man party crew |
| 01:52.58 | RedWraith | oh |
| 01:53.12 | Vulfe | douchy third member said he would do the terrain |
| 01:53.14 | Vulfe | douche. |
| 01:53.19 | RedWraith | I've decided to make my team Team Red, but Tehwildcard hasn't been around so *shrugs* |
| 01:53.39 | RedWraith | If you're interested, too bad, make an interesting map first >_> |
| 01:54.07 | Vulfe | pfft |
| 01:54.14 | Vulfe | I have my own team for a reason |
| 01:54.25 | Vulfe | I guess I have to do the terrain too now |
| 01:54.29 | Alpha_vst | i am my own team :P |
| 01:54.29 | Vulfe | 30 mins of my life wasted! |
| 01:54.38 | RedWraith | Alpha, hardly. |
| 01:54.46 | Alpha_vst | i know |
| 01:54.50 | Vulfe | I'm basically doing everything, and I tell my partner to make textures for me |
| 01:55.18 | Vulfe | I haven't gotten much done recently because we've been trying to figure out how everything got so fucked up |
| 01:55.23 | Vulfe | because he can't export dds |
| 01:55.26 | Vulfe | from the editor... |
| 01:55.32 | Vulfe | so teamcolor = black |
| 01:55.33 | Vulfe | bad. |
| 01:55.36 | Triceron | ? |
| 01:55.39 | RedWraith | lol |
| 01:55.48 | Triceron | teamcolors not that hard to get |
| 01:55.52 | Vulfe | it's not |
| 01:55.57 | Vulfe | if he could export it as a dds |
| 01:56.06 | Triceron | tga works fine |
| 01:56.12 | Triceron | though the filesize gets huge |
| 01:56.17 | Vulfe | loses the alpha channels, as far as I know |
| 01:56.23 | casperb | why can't he export dds? |
| 01:56.26 | Vulfe | idk |
| 01:56.28 | RedWraith | I'll make textures/models when the time comes. I don't know anything about 3ds max, but I'm a quick learner anyway. |
| 01:56.32 | Vulfe | it doesn't let him save it |
| 01:56.33 | Triceron | then he's exporting it with the wrong settings |
| 01:56.34 | Vulfe | works fine for me |
| 01:56.46 | Triceron | dxt5 8b works fine |
| 01:56.48 | Vulfe | we both have exactly the same setup x.x |
| 01:56.56 | Vulfe | export FROM the editor, triceron |
| 01:56.57 | Triceron | there's extra options |
| 01:56.59 | Triceron | ah |
| 01:57.00 | Vulfe | there are no settings |
| 01:57.01 | Vulfe | lol |
| 01:57.05 | RedWraith | I don't feel the need for it right now, and I don't think I will until I start making maps for the marketplace. |
| 01:57.10 | Triceron | then he should still get an alpha out of it |
| 01:57.19 | RedWraith | Though, terrain textures are awesome. |
| 01:57.24 | RedWraith | But they're easy. |
| 01:57.51 | Triceron | normal map in dds kinda sucks |
| 01:57.55 | Vulfe | terrain textures are cool |
| 01:58.06 | Vulfe | i'm getting him to make snow for me |
| 01:58.07 | Triceron | you gotta convert it to Blizz's style |
| 01:58.15 | Vulfe | how is that? |
| 01:58.33 | Triceron | they swap stuff around in the channels |
| 01:58.38 | Vulfe | hmm |
| 01:58.43 | Triceron | a regular normal map looks purplish |
| 01:58.46 | Triceron | theirs is orange |
| 01:58.50 | Vulfe | yeah i noticed that |
| 01:59.02 | Vulfe | what causes that? |
| 01:59.36 | Triceron | they swap around their color channels |
| 01:59.41 | Triceron | RGBA |
| 01:59.45 | Vulfe | huh |
| 01:59.48 | Vulfe | that's weird |
| 01:59.49 | Triceron | red green blue alpha |
| 01:59.56 | Vulfe | i know |
| 01:59.57 | Triceron | their red is in the alpha |
| 02:00.08 | Triceron | their blue is black, their red channel is white. |
| 02:00.19 | Triceron | I don't get why they do that |
| 02:00.31 | Vulfe | weird |
| 02:00.32 | Vulfe | as hell |
| 02:00.43 | Triceron | i'm guessing it's a way to save space |
| 02:00.49 | Triceron | some compression thing |
| 02:01.02 | Vulfe | huh |
| 02:01.04 | Vulfe | strange |
| 02:01.08 | Vulfe | they do like saving space |
| 02:01.16 | Vulfe | they use the same files for some of the textures |
| 02:01.22 | Vulfe | like bunker specular doesn't exist |
| 02:01.27 | Vulfe | they just use the emissive |
| 02:02.07 | casperb | well doesn't matter what the maps are named :p |
| 02:02.57 | Triceron | I need to find ways to save space as best I can myself |
| 02:03.13 | Triceron | 4x texture maps adds up in filesize |
| 02:04.43 | casperb | most unit textures are around 512x512? |
| 02:08.45 | Triceron | yeah |
| 02:09.43 | casperb | 3mb ish for one model :S |
| 02:10.33 | Triceron | I can get mine down to 1mb w/sounds |
| 02:11.23 | casperb | compressed? |
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| 02:12.36 | Triceron | compressed in editor/map |
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| 02:25.40 | WhiskeeGX | anyone knows what's the limit on strings length? specifically, strings stored in banks |
| 02:27.10 | casperb | WhiskeeGX: It's finite, but nothing to worry about |
| 02:28.05 | WhiskeeGX | finite in the order of 100, 1000... ? |
| 02:28.21 | WhiskeeGX | i'm trying to obfuscate a value i can't make a parity check on |
| 02:29.34 | WhiskeeGX | also, trying to compress multiple values in one string since I'm over 50 keys :/ |
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| 02:30.05 | casperb | something like 2,147,483,647 chars |
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| 02:30.35 | casperb | in theory atleast |
| 02:30.49 | WhiskeeGX | so I can copy and paste a whole book but not use over 50 keys because that would make the savefile big :P lol |
| 02:31.07 | WhiskeeGX | thanks |
| 02:31.12 | casperb | banks are limited to like 92k tho |
| 02:31.40 | WhiskeeGX | I see. Ye well a size limit makes perfect sense to me |
| 02:31.57 | WhiskeeGX | it's the 50 keys one I find too strict |
| 02:32.50 | casperb | easy to optimize tho, only store dirty fields, etc |
| 02:38.24 | RedWraith|Away | and I |
| 02:38.27 | RedWraith|Away | am back. |
| 02:39.35 | RedWraith|Away | If anyone knows of any problems that could be solved by a handy algorithm that are important to mapmaking, let me know. |
| 02:42.06 | casperb | Hm the only off-side pain in the ass pet project i have atm is multi plane "terrain" |
| 02:43.29 | casperb | no clean ways to define the height map for alternate planes :p |
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| 02:44.00 | Atlos | hello |
| 02:44.08 | casperb | hey hey |
| 02:44.19 | Atlos | anybody know how to change a unit's line of sight? |
| 02:44.31 | Atlos | I only want some units to detect things in a 90 degree cone in front of them |
| 02:44.44 | Atlos | so you can sneak behind them and shit |
| 02:44.51 | RedWraith | meh |
| 02:45.05 | RedWraith | I don't want to deal with that problem for a while, casperb. |
| 02:45.22 | RedWraith | The "bridge" problem. |
| 02:45.30 | RedWraith | or, more particularly, the floating platform |
| 02:45.36 | casperb | did it with 3d points and lerp between them, it works just fine but it's a pain in the ass to setup |
| 02:46.00 | RedWraith | lerp? |
| 02:46.07 | casperb | linear interpolation |
| 02:46.14 | RedWraith | Don't know what that is... |
| 02:46.29 | casperb | interpolation between two values |
| 02:47.57 | RedWraith | I'm not entirely certain what you're saying. |
| 02:48.28 | RedWraith | oh... |
| 02:48.40 | RedWraith | you add to its height to make it flat? :P |
| 02:48.45 | RedWraith | Yeah, I figured that out a while ago. |
| 02:48.55 | RedWraith | That's not really 'multiple levels' |
| 02:49.18 | casperb | Nope, it's faking it |
| 02:49.51 | RedWraith | Yeah, sorry, I don't usually go with fancy names for things, though that should be obvious. |
| 02:50.16 | RedWraith | I'm the sort of person who likes being blatant. |
| 02:51.12 | RedWraith | Also, using linear interpolation to find slopes = baaad idea |
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| 02:51.39 | RedWraith | It does not work in the slightest in more than three dimensions, need to know all the coordinates in all directions and doodads make it go crazy. |
| 02:51.44 | RedWraith | err |
| 02:51.48 | RedWraith | more than two dimensions* |
| 02:51.49 | Dkrchris | sup all |
| 02:52.06 | RedWraith | still don't know much about you, Dkrchris. |
| 02:52.19 | RedWraith | I found an efficient algorithm for preventing tower walling in TDs. |
| 02:53.18 | RedWraith | Now, to find a way to implement it. |
| 02:53.22 | RedWraith | *two weeks later* ;) |
| 02:53.44 | casperb | RedWraith: Yeah works in my case tho, 3rd person, so no pathfinding involved |
| 02:54.06 | RedWraith | oh |
| 02:54.09 | RedWraith | well, then. :P |
| 02:54.09 | Dkrchris | when does beta come back up any news? |
| 02:54.18 | RedWraith | July 27th. |
| 02:55.48 | Atlos | so anybody have a clue about my line of sight thingy? |
| 02:56.23 | Dkrchris | what about it |
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| 02:56.50 | Atlos | im trying to make it so that |
| 02:56.57 | Atlos | my units can only attack things in a cone in front of them |
| 02:57.04 | Atlos | instead of detecting units to attack that are behind them |
| 02:57.09 | casperb | Not sure if SC2 supports anything but circles |
| 02:57.45 | Dkrchris | hmm gonna have to look for something not shure |
| 02:58.01 | Atlos | hmm, my friend thought he saw it on the announcements one day but I just looked through and didn't see anything |
| 02:58.02 | RedWraith | well, if it does support circles, it could always be a circle centered in front of the unit |
| 02:58.10 | Atlos | I thought it would be something realy quick and easy to change |
| 02:58.21 | Dkrchris | would be awsome if you can edit 2 radius's on the circle range |
| 02:58.24 | Atlos | since you can add radar in an arc for your unit lol |
| 02:58.29 | Atlos | figured this would be simple |
| 02:58.39 | RedWraith | Is it possible to send an error message in the style of 'I can't build here' |
| 02:58.43 | RedWraith | through triggers? |
| 02:58.57 | casperb | Alerts? |
| 02:59.04 | RedWraith | i.e. your scv tries to build somewhere, trigger detects it'll form a wall, gives an alert the same way |
| 02:59.06 | Dkrchris | altho why would you want a triangle range? |
| 02:59.08 | RedWraith | I'll look into that. |
| 02:59.14 | Dkrchris | i dont really see a need for it |
| 02:59.57 | casperb | RedWraith: yeah alerts, basically what you see in-game whenever something happends, chat message with metadata about what when where etc |
| 03:00.06 | Dkrchris | unless you need a splash range |
| 03:00.23 | Atlos | I want it so that |
| 03:00.26 | Atlos | you can sneak behind units |
| 03:00.33 | Atlos | and not have them target you unless facing them |
| 03:00.49 | Atlos | well unless they are facing you |
| 03:00.50 | casperb | Atlos:In theory, you could create a revealer for <x> unit type in triggers, kinda ugly tho o.o |
| 03:00.54 | Atlos | aka in their line of sight |
| 03:01.10 | casperb | (revealers can be any region) |
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| 03:01.32 | wacko | waffles |
| 03:01.36 | Atlos | yea my friend recommended that but there's gotta be a real simple way to do this... |
| 03:01.41 | casperb | Meh has to be possible considering you can do it in triggers |
| 03:01.44 | Atlos | I think I'm just searching in the wrong area for it |
| 03:02.01 | Atlos | under weapons there's a stats - arc field |
| 03:02.05 | Atlos | that you can change |
| 03:02.08 | Atlos | but it didn't work |
| 03:02.10 | wacko | does anyone know how made the map Nexus Wars ? |
| 03:02.22 | xgalaxy | http://kotaku.com/5566632/unreal-engine-puts-bp-oil-spill-into-perspective |
| 03:05.41 | wacko | does anyone know how made the map Nexus Wars ? |
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| 03:15.26 | AsaPhelps | if you downloaded it maybe yo ucould check |
| 03:15.52 | wacko | where can you download it from ? |
| 03:17.57 | AsaPhelps | not sure, didn't you play it on bnet? |
| 03:18.19 | wacko | no |
| 03:19.18 | RedWraith | What do you need to know about it, wacko? |
| 03:19.26 | RedWraith | We're all great mapmakers here. |
| 03:19.42 | wacko | lol |
| 03:19.58 | wacko | I just need the map to test some stuff :) if you happen to have it that would be great |
| 03:20.35 | RedWraith | oh, I don't. |
| 03:20.43 | RedWraith | I'm on my laptop. |
| 03:20.51 | RedWraith | And I don't have access to my desktop. |
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| 03:25.02 | Pandepic | ~seen onetwo |
| 03:25.03 | purl | onetwo <ae070b69@gateway/web/freenode/ip.174.7.11.105> was last seen on IRC in channel #sc2mapster, 5h 23m 36s ago, saying: 'i need it'. |
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| 03:32.16 | Atlos | pandepic |
| 03:32.26 | Pandepic | hey |
| 03:32.32 | Atlos | would you know how to make units only fire at dudes in their line of site? |
| 03:32.34 | Atlos | sight* |
| 03:32.45 | Pandepic | they are firing outside their line of sight? |
| 03:33.03 | Atlos | well by defualt they target any unit 360 degrees around them |
| 03:33.08 | Atlos | I want to change that to like 90 |
| 03:33.16 | Atlos | so you can sneak up behind them |
| 03:33.23 | Pandepic | ohh |
| 03:33.27 | Pandepic | hmm |
| 03:33.36 | Pandepic | you could do it with triggers |
| 03:33.40 | RickA | Anybody want to help me out with optimizing a trigger? |
| 03:33.58 | Pandepic | if you show me the trigger I might be able to help RickA |
| 03:33.59 | Atlos | I figured there would be a simple way in the data editor :\ |
| 03:34.08 | RickA | No need to see the trigger |
| 03:34.18 | RickA | I'm using an "Any unit enters region" event. |
| 03:34.18 | Pandepic | sorry Atlor, there's still a lot I have to learn about the data editor |
| 03:34.27 | Pandepic | Atlos* |
| 03:34.33 | RickA | To my dismay, I found out that launch missiles count as real units. |
| 03:34.45 | Pandepic | lol |
| 03:34.48 | RickA | Without putting a "unit is not missile" condition in all of my triggers, how could I stop that? |
| 03:35.00 | Pandepic | what exactly are you wanting to do? |
| 03:35.11 | RickA | Run a trigger when a unit enters a region |
| 03:35.46 | Pandepic | how unspecific =P |
| 03:36.13 | Pandepic | give me a second, I have an idea |
| 03:36.19 | RickA | The trigger actions aren't the problem, the event is. |
| 03:36.42 | Pandepic | yeah, I ask what you're doing in case there's an altogether better way to do it |
| 03:36.44 | RickA | The trigger could print out Hello World, it doesn't matter. I don't want it to print out hello world unless its a real unit. |
| 03:37.02 | RickA | If you can think of a better way to do the Any Unit Enters Region event let me know. |
| 03:37.05 | RedWraith | RickA, good luck. |
| 03:37.13 | RedWraith | I hear custom events don't work at the moment. |
| 03:38.26 | Pandepic | from what I can see, you can really only use a condition |
| 03:38.44 | Pandepic | I was hoping there would be a unit from group enters region event |
| 03:38.48 | Pandepic | but I guess not |
| 03:39.16 | Pandepic | as long as you don't have like 100 regions, it probably wont cause performance problems |
| 03:39.41 | Pandepic | checking a unit type should be pretty cheap |
| 03:39.52 | Alpha_vst | yeah |
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| 03:40.40 | jayruy | noob q: how do you attach Actors to Abilities? |
| 03:40.52 | RickA | actor events |
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| 03:41.32 | jayruy | thanks |
| 03:42.46 | Pandepic | hey alpha |
| 03:43.32 | Alpha_vst | ? |
| 03:45.04 | Pandepic | just saying hi =P |
| 03:45.22 | Alpha_vst | oh hi :P |
| 03:45.32 | Alpha_vst | i give up on this texture thing sigh |
| 03:45.38 | Pandepic | still not visible? |
| 03:45.57 | Alpha_vst | no matching the lines to the placement grid is impossible :( |
| 03:46.03 | Pandepic | haha |
| 03:46.30 | Pandepic | did you fix the invisible textures? |
| 03:46.39 | Alpha_vst | textures are stretched to 1024 the space of cells are 96 you |
| 03:46.48 | Alpha_vst | end up with 32 pixels or empty space |
| 03:46.52 | Pandepic | lame |
| 03:47.03 | Alpha_vst | that throws off the grid |
| 03:47.56 | Alpha_vst | i can do 32 and have 3 cells make one |
| 03:48.02 | Alpha_vst | but thats a little 2 small |
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| 03:48.44 | Alpha_vst | only option right now though |
| 03:49.14 | Alpha_vst | sigh :P |
| 03:50.02 | Pandepic | I told you alpha |
| 03:50.04 | Pandepic | the editor hates you |
| 03:51.23 | Alpha_vst | lol wait a second |
| 03:55.10 | Alpha_vst | i think i might go with the 32x32 thing for now |
| 03:56.09 | Alpha_vst | yeah that works the best |
| 03:57.30 | Alpha_vst | i have a hideous bump in my texture though ewww |
| 03:57.43 | Pandepic | lolwhat |
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| 04:05.07 | gwho | im having trouble getting a building to be a moveable controlable flying unit |
| 04:05.28 | gwho | enabling the move ability and turnint its object type to "unit" isn't enough? |
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| 04:08.58 | casperb | remove it's footprint and make it movable |
| 04:09.06 | casperb | also speed etc |
| 04:09.27 | casperb | and a mover |
| 04:14.52 | Alpha_vst | yeah |
| 04:17.03 | casperb | Alpha_vst: holy f that texture thing was annoying o.o |
| 04:17.16 | Alpha_vst | what texture thing? |
| 04:17.40 | Alpha_vst | did you figure it out cause i really didnt :( |
| 04:17.46 | casperb | you know, the aligmnment issue you've been stuggling with all day? :S |
| 04:17.51 | Alpha_vst | yeah |
| 04:19.33 | Alpha_vst | http://i48.tinypic.com/1zzndab.jpg <--- what i settled on |
| 04:20.47 | Pandepic | that looks fine alpha |
| 04:21.36 | Alpha_vst | but its not what i really want :( |
| 04:21.53 | Pandepic | how come? |
| 04:22.15 | Alpha_vst | i wanted 1 for 1 |
| 04:22.27 | Alpha_vst | not a 3x3 grid =1 |
| 04:22.29 | Pandepic | looks like it is in that screenshot |
| 04:22.31 | Pandepic | ohh |
| 04:22.40 | Pandepic | I think 3x3 = 1 is better |
| 04:23.12 | Alpha_vst | but it doesnt match the placement :P |
| 04:23.35 | Alpha_vst | if i could place things at that level i wouldnt care |
| 04:23.45 | Alpha_vst | or accuracy |
| 04:23.49 | Alpha_vst | i should say |
| 04:25.19 | Alpha_vst | what decided the mini map color bg? |
| 04:25.36 | Alpha_vst | my bg is brown where it was white 0.o |
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| 04:28.35 | Alpha_vst | i also made it more gray so its more easy on the eyes 0.o |
| 04:29.31 | Alpha_vst | weee |
| 04:33.37 | Alpha_vst | woot i also found the lighting setting so my fucking editor shows the right color |
| 04:34.23 | Sixen | ~seen wacko |
| 04:34.25 | purl | wacko <~wacko@ip68-101-126-242.oc.oc.cox.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #sc2mapster, 1h 14m 27s ago, saying: 'I just need the map to test some stuff :) if you happen to have it that would be great'. |
| 04:35.36 | Alpha_vst | i think thats a great improvment worth most of my days work |
| 04:36.19 | Repo | New map: http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/apbullet-map-test/. Third Person Map Test (incomplete). apasseroni0014 (Manager/Author). Experimental. Approved by sixen. |
| 04:36.44 | Alpha_vst | ok i need a suggestion... |
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| 04:38.41 | Alpha_vst | should i keep my current idea with having just a basic zombie then adding special zombies into the mix after the players do "thing" or should i make it into a sort of wave type game where i make x mount times poitns the zombies control |
| 04:38.51 | Alpha_vst | and do new units |
| 04:38.58 | Alpha_vst | for each wave |
| 04:39.11 | Alpha_vst | sorta defence game ish |
| 04:39.16 | Sixen | ~seen lilman |
| 04:39.17 | purl | i haven't seen 'lilman', Sixen |
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| 04:48.42 | xgalaxy | roflmao |
| 04:48.44 | xgalaxy | this show is hilarious |
| 04:50.03 | xgalaxy | they are covering a little bit of starcraft 2 stuff and they are in this design meeting and one of the studio guys comes in and says if you guys don't get this game done your going to be designing world of warcraft buttons |
| 04:52.48 | xgalaxy | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0zWEcpLoHU#t=8m00s |
| 04:53.11 | Atlos | lol |
| 04:53.36 | Alpha_vst | wow wtf |
| 04:53.37 | Atlos | wow I just got shamwowed by youtube ads |
| 04:53.43 | Alpha_vst | yeah same |
| 04:53.47 | Alpha_vst | thats fucking lame |
| 04:56.54 | rrowland | Someone rich should pay to rickroll people with ads |
| 04:57.13 | zrbecker | id do it |
| 04:57.17 | Arthas-zzz | ah, so youve seen my ads |
| 04:57.19 | Arthas-zzz | how do you like em |
| 04:57.33 | Alpha_vst | that would be amazing |
| 04:57.36 | rrowland | I remember on april fool's day a year ago |
| 04:57.38 | Arthas-zzz | im thinking of improving them having like 30 seconds of ad times! |
| 04:57.44 | rrowland | All videos were replaced with rick astley |
| 04:59.49 | Alpha_vst | gah |
| 04:59.57 | Alpha_vst | fucking alpha channels :( |
| 05:00.08 | Alpha_vst | nto cooperating with me |
| 05:00.52 | Triceron | what issues you having alpha? |
| 05:04.12 | casperb | Alpha's having alpha issues o.O |
| 05:04.33 | casperb | 7AM, time to powernap before work, bad humor is kicking in :P |
| 05:05.55 | Alpha_vst | lol Triceron like the alpha channel isnt accepting anything between 0 and 100 |
| 05:06.05 | Alpha_vst | just white or black it seems :( |
| 05:06.08 | Triceron | eh? |
| 05:06.15 | Triceron | the editor/sc2? |
| 05:07.05 | Alpha_vst | when i import it yeah |
| 05:07.12 | Triceron | what format |
| 05:07.15 | Triceron | .dds? tga? |
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| 05:09.07 | Alpha_vst | .dds |
| 05:09.09 | Alpha_vst | all i use |
| 05:09.31 | Triceron | is this the first time its messing up? |
| 05:09.45 | Alpha_vst | yeah i assume so |
| 05:09.55 | Triceron | you making dds out of photoshop? |
| 05:09.59 | Alpha_vst | i have not needed to fade shit before |
| 05:10.07 | Alpha_vst | yeah |
| 05:10.20 | Triceron | hmm |
| 05:11.10 | RedWraith | Hey guys. |
| 05:11.16 | Alpha_vst | trying something right now |
| 05:11.54 | Alpha_vst | yeah no can anyone confirm fading alpha channels doesnt work? |
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| 05:12.33 | Triceron | I can confirm that it uses more than just pure black or pure white |
| 05:13.13 | Alpha_vst | lies :( |
| 05:13.19 | Triceron | there is fading, though .dds is compressed so if you're fading, you might get some artifacting or splotchyness |
| 05:13.34 | Triceron | but it should still work |
| 05:13.57 | Alpha_vst | oh yeah it is isnt it |
| 05:14.12 | Alpha_vst | thats probably why sigh |
| 05:14.42 | Alpha_vst | compression ruins it :( |
| 05:14.46 | Triceron | yeah |
| 05:14.51 | Triceron | that's messed up my normal maps too |
| 05:14.58 | Triceron | it's something I sorta have to deal with :S |
| 05:14.59 | Alpha_vst | and im overridding a file |
| 05:15.05 | Alpha_vst | so i cant change it |
| 05:15.28 | Alpha_vst | have to work with it i guess :( |
| 05:16.15 | Alpha_vst | before it wasnt obvious when my terrain was mostly white |
| 05:16.20 | Alpha_vst | now not so much |
| 05:17.49 | Alpha_vst | my game isnt loading now wtf |
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| 05:20.36 | Triceron | :S |
| 05:20.37 | onetwo | http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=131558 |
| 05:20.40 | onetwo | i really like this idea |
| 05:20.44 | onetwo | of sit n go poker style bnet tournies |
| 05:20.48 | onetwo | totally could work |
| 05:20.53 | onetwo | and monetize the gaming world |
| 05:20.55 | onetwo | which would be nice |
| 05:21.03 | onetwo | so moms can stop saying "stop gaming and get a real job" |
| 05:21.04 | onetwo | lol |
| 05:21.15 | onetwo | yay for my sweeping generalizations |
| 05:24.16 | onetwo | and ability to kill chat |
| 05:25.07 | Alpha_vst | no its dead |
| 05:25.18 | Alpha_vst | i need to figure out why my game is freezing at the load |
| 05:25.20 | Alpha_vst | :( |
| 05:26.00 | Alpha_vst | gets to like 95% |
| 05:27.00 | Alpha_vst | its my map :( |
| 05:28.35 | onetwo | any triggers |
| 05:28.36 | Alpha_vst | lol might of been cause i changed some random shit i shouldnt have |
| 05:28.38 | onetwo | that run on game init |
| 05:28.44 | onetwo | alpha stop trying to break your game |
| 05:28.46 | Triceron | save iterations! |
| 05:28.47 | onetwo | make a standard map |
| 05:28.51 | onetwo | with no insane custom stuff |
| 05:28.52 | onetwo | COME ON |
| 05:28.54 | onetwo | :D |
| 05:29.02 | Triceron | yeah stop using triggers |
| 05:29.07 | Triceron | pshaw |
| 05:29.12 | Alpha_vst | i set the selection curor and shit to random shit LOL |
| 05:29.15 | Alpha_vst | might of broke it |
| 05:31.20 | Alpha_vst | i think it was this file though |
| 05:31.27 | Alpha_vst | hopefully |
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| 05:32.36 | Triceron | woot, I love normal maps |
| 05:32.44 | Triceron | you can get in so much detail into a crappy low poly model :D |
| 05:33.09 | Alpha_vst | lol |
| 05:33.35 | Alpha_vst | so i targeted the issue 0.o |
| 05:33.45 | Alpha_vst | its something i did in my mod eak |
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| 05:35.42 | Triceron | Ahoy Rod |
| 05:36.19 | Alpha_vst | wow |
| 05:36.32 | Alpha_vst | aprently it was my wall texture i have been modifying |
| 05:36.36 | Alpha_vst | that broke my game |
| 05:50.00 | Alpha_vst | note not generating mip maps on units will break your game 0.o |
| 05:50.02 | Alpha_vst | lol |
| 05:50.21 | Triceron | wow really? |
| 05:50.24 | Alpha_vst | yes |
| 05:50.29 | Triceron | good to know |
| 05:50.36 | Triceron | I only turn that off for splash screen stuff |
| 05:50.43 | Alpha_vst | some how i unchecked it :P |
| 05:50.55 | Triceron | 512? |
| 05:51.02 | Alpha_vst | yeah |
| 05:51.13 | Alpha_vst | terrain works fine |
| 05:51.14 | Triceron | weird that mipmapping would be the issue |
| 05:51.20 | Triceron | cuz tga works too and tga uses no mipmap |
| 05:51.36 | Alpha_vst | onyl reason my map would not load :( |
| 05:54.02 | Alpha_vst | would the mipmap somehow be attached to the model? |
| 05:54.29 | Alpha_vst | and if you are overritting a texture on a model that has a mipmap and you dont give the texture one it breaks it? |
| 05:56.04 | Alpha_vst | anyways |
| 05:56.16 | Alpha_vst | here is my new walls and ground texture.... |
| 05:56.18 | Alpha_vst | http://i48.tinypic.com/2l8c0b4.jpg |
| 05:56.55 | Alpha_vst | the sides of the wall looks like shit though :P |
| 05:57.23 | Alpha_vst | but its not showing the horrible white edge now 0.o |
| 05:58.14 | Alpha_vst | i really just need a new model 0.o |
| 05:58.56 | Alpha_vst | who does modeling and wants a easy job :D |
| 05:59.36 | onetwo | are you tyra? |
| 05:59.48 | Alpha_vst | what |
| 06:00.19 | Alpha_vst | how does my new textures look? betetr or worse? |
| 06:02.43 | Alpha_vst | i might try to re tackle the ui frame again tomorrow lol |
| 06:02.48 | Alpha_vst | tired of black |
| 06:04.31 | Alpha_vst | oh well ask tomorrow room is dead |
| 06:04.42 | Alpha_vst | night |
| 06:05.35 | Triceron | i do modelling :P |
| 06:05.46 | Triceron | but I'm about to hit the hay, I gotta wake early tomorrow |
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| 06:13.01 | monop | hi, has anyone gotten the error unable to load map ? |
| 06:14.18 | cb|away | plenty of times |
| 06:14.28 | cb|away | you're screwed :p |
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| 06:14.34 | RedWraith | What's the event for a building being constructed? |
| 06:14.38 | RedWraith | like, when it gets placed? |
| 06:14.39 | BoltHead | hello all |
| 06:15.04 | cb|away | RedWraith: unit created |
| 06:15.06 | RedWraith | I need a trigger for when an scv instantaneously creates a building. |
| 06:15.07 | RedWraith | okay |
| 06:15.10 | cb|away | RedWraith: and unit progress |
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| 06:17.48 | monop | cb anyway to fix it? |
| 06:17.54 | monop | ive tried dozens of maps |
| 06:17.55 | monop | nothing works |
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| 06:20.20 | gwho | quick question, easily answered: which function is the one that tells a trigger to execute after another is done? |
| 06:22.17 | gwho | =( |
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| 06:29.56 | cb|away | monop: try deleting the cache |
| 06:30.11 | monop | im on mac |
| 06:30.43 | cb|away | bet there's still a sc2 folder with cache data in your home dir |
| 06:30.59 | monop | the whole cache dir? |
| 06:31.30 | cb|away | yeah not like there's any campaign saves in there :P |
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| 06:32.02 | jarlaxle212 | Hey, wow lotta ppl |
| 06:32.05 | cb|away | ususally does it for me whenever the editor decides to be a brat |
| 06:32.05 | monop | still no go |
| 06:32.13 | monop | ill try some other maps tho |
| 06:32.28 | cb|away | then i guess mac version is just screwed? :P |
| 06:33.10 | Triceron | most people don't talk here :P |
| 06:33.32 | jarlaxle212 | ic |
| 06:33.41 | cb|away | Like 5 who actually say something :p |
| 06:34.45 | jarlaxle212 | how do your remove terrain |
| 06:35.01 | monop | still nothin |
| 06:35.02 | cb|away | define 'remove' |
| 06:35.04 | monop | sux =/ |
| 06:35.11 | jarlaxle212 | so instead of ground you see the skybox |
| 06:35.17 | revolu7ion | lower terrain |
| 06:35.28 | cb|away | hide the terrain cells |
| 06:35.31 | jarlaxle212 | thats the onlyway? |
| 06:35.32 | cb|away | It's kinda buggy tho |
| 06:35.41 | jarlaxle212 | @cb how do i do taht |
| 06:35.47 | cb|away | nah last tab in the terrain editor |
| 06:36.21 | cb|away | or terrain palette rather |
| 06:36.36 | jarlaxle212 | oo i c it |
| 06:36.36 | RedWraith | woot |
| 06:36.43 | RedWraith | my algorithm is working :) |
| 06:36.55 | cb|away | video or it never happend! |
| 06:37.03 | RedWraith | Now, I just need to make it so it happens right before it builds and add remove. |
| 06:37.33 | jarlaxle212 | ty cb |
| 06:37.50 | RedWraith | Also, I find that the error message will play while the SCV is talking. |
| 06:37.55 | RedWraith | That is slightly problematic. |
| 06:38.19 | cb|away | Alert? |
| 06:38.30 | revolu7ion | Does anyone else have the issue where the lighting in the map is right but when you Test Document it is just the default lighting? |
| 06:38.52 | cb|away | revolu7ion: well you're never actually setting the light then :p |
| 06:39.32 | RedWraith | I use alert. |
| 06:39.42 | RedWraith | It plays the sound while the scv speaks. |
| 06:42.17 | RedWraith | It isn't a major issue. |
| 06:42.32 | RedWraith | That the algorithm works is a major feat in itself considering I use no arrays. |
| 06:42.38 | onetwo | either that or your light settings ingame |
| 06:42.40 | onetwo | is not on high or more |
| 06:44.54 | RedWraith | If I can make a reasonable remove, I can see this anti-wall algorithm being implemented in every TD ever made for this game. :) |
| 06:46.01 | jarlaxle212 | sounds cool redwraith |
| 06:48.03 | RedWraith | It's sooo simple too. It's amazing what you can do with recursion. Each section of wall is declared, and everytime you build something adjacent to one, the unit carries a real value associated with that wall. It then checks for units in a square around it (for adjacent buildings) and then gives them the real value. Those buildings then do this until all adjacent buildings have the value. If someone makes a building next to two bui |
| 06:49.01 | RedWraith | No arrays, no nothing. Only infection. >:) |
| 06:49.31 | RedWraith | I'm uh...really proud of myself for solving this. >_>\ |
| 06:50.12 | gwho | GJ! |
| 06:51.34 | RedWraith | TY! |
| 06:51.37 | revolu7ion | ya i guess you have to turn the lighting to medium from low |
| 06:52.47 | gwho | how long have u been coding? |
| 06:53.46 | RedWraith | It only took me about an hour to code it, oddly enough. |
| 06:54.01 | gwho | perty good |
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| 06:54.09 | gwho | i just started tehee.. soooo inefficient =] |
| 06:54.16 | RedWraith | A couple of hours to come up with it. |
| 06:54.30 | RedWraith | I was toying around with the idea of counting branches when I realized it. :P |
| 06:55.36 | gwho | slightlyrandom , the guy making cube defense might be interested in what u found redwraith |
| 06:56.06 | RedWraith | Who's making cube defense? |
| 06:56.15 | RedWraith | And there's no point until I've finished remove. |
| 06:56.16 | RedWraith | lol |
| 06:56.27 | RedWraith | Remove is way harder than any of the other stuff. :( |
| 06:57.29 | RedWraith | well, actually, I can do it in the same sort of 'infection' style pattern with some reversal when it hits the wall. |
| 06:57.39 | gwho | hm |
| 06:57.42 | RedWraith | It'll be an O(n) remove, even if it's O(1) add. :( |
| 06:57.49 | RedWraith | I wish there were a better way to do it. |
| 06:58.08 | RedWraith | One that didn't repeat itself |
| 06:58.16 | RedWraith | over and over |
| 06:58.24 | RedWraith | That's what I was trying to avoid with the nature of this. |
| 06:58.33 | gwho | im here trying to get better at coding, im trying to figure out the basic functions. yesterday's session was a big ball of frustration =] |
| 06:58.34 | RedWraith | But O(1) add and check is far more important. |
| 06:58.46 | RedWraith | gwho, recursion is your friend. |
| 06:58.51 | gwho | whats that? |
| 06:58.57 | RedWraith | hmm |
| 06:59.00 | gwho | count? |
| 06:59.02 | RedWraith | take this! |
| 06:59.35 | RedWraith | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5848688/Tower%20Defense.SC2Map |
| 06:59.43 | RedWraith | Look in the triggers section. |
| 07:01.08 | gwho | oh thank you! |
| 07:01.14 | gwho | u isolated it |
| 07:01.16 | gwho | cz i get so lost |
| 07:01.36 | gwho | in the other stuff that isn't the focus |
| 07:03.22 | RedWraith | ?? |
| 07:03.31 | RedWraith | Naw, that's the whole map. |
| 07:03.32 | RedWraith | lol |
| 07:04.50 | gwho | lol |
| 07:06.41 | RedWraith | Recursion is where something calls itself, with some modification of course. |
| 07:06.57 | RedWraith | A while loop is very similar to recursion, but recursion is usually the simplest way to go about things. |
| 07:07.33 | RedWraith | like I could've done that with for each unit in unit group crap, but since I don't know what's in the group beforehand, using recursion on things nearby the current unit -> smarter |
| 07:13.18 | RaydenUni | huh? |
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| 07:13.26 | RaydenUni | you're doing what with recursion? |
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| 07:15.41 | RedWraith | Fixing TD walling problem |
| 07:15.47 | RedWraith | map posted without remove function |
| 07:15.49 | RedWraith | haven't made it yet |
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| 07:30.03 | Maul | ~seen ekcolnvkol |
| 07:31.05 | purl | ekcolnvkol is currently on #sc2mapster (3m 8s). Has said a total of 66 messages. Is idling for 1d 5h 29m 28s, last said: 'but i am asking for help :D'. |
| 07:31.05 | ekcolnvkol | i'm invisible :o |
| 07:31.05 | Maul | cant track you on a boat |
| 07:31.28 | Maul | o rlu |
| 07:31.30 | Maul | rly |
| 07:31.31 | ekcolnvkol | wat the |
| 07:31.37 | ekcolnvkol | lol |
| 07:31.48 | Maul | purl is full of little... |
| 07:31.51 | Maul | ...pearls of wisdom |
| 07:32.34 | Repo | New map: http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/worms/. Worms. gwho (Manager/Author). Experimental. Approved by sixen. |
| 07:32.49 | ekcolnvkol | i see sixen is still prowling the forums |
| 07:32.49 | gwho | yay |
| 07:32.53 | ekcolnvkol | lol |
| 07:33.08 | gwho | does anyone have a concept of the BW map called worms? |
| 07:33.14 | gwho | im trying to recreate it |
| 07:33.21 | gwho | as well as put a spin on it |
| 07:33.22 | ekcolnvkol | i like how my one dota thread grows to 1000+ views in less than 24 hours |
| 07:33.25 | ekcolnvkol | lol |
| 07:33.33 | gwho | lol ur t eone who made the rickroll dota? |
| 07:33.37 | ekcolnvkol | no |
| 07:33.39 | ekcolnvkol | <_< |
| 07:33.41 | Sixen | rawr. |
| 07:33.43 | gwho | oh oh i can't read |
| 07:33.44 | gwho | nvm |
| 07:33.46 | Maul | try posting it on TL |
| 07:33.49 | ekcolnvkol | tl? |
| 07:33.54 | Maul | team liquid |
| 07:33.58 | Maul | 1000 views per minute |
| 07:34.00 | Maul | guarenteed |
| 07:34.03 | Sixen | lawl |
| 07:34.08 | Sixen | Highly doubted |
| 07:34.49 | ekcolnvkol | lol the thread turned into a philosophical thread |
| 07:35.13 | gwho | wat the |
| 07:35.15 | Clord | Dota... be or not to be... that's the question |
| 07:35.22 | Clord | XD |
| 07:35.32 | ekcolnvkol | well, this will keep me going for a bit xD |
| 07:35.49 | Clord | time to continue developing my card game |
| 07:36.41 | Clord | I made units act more like cards with identical attack speeds etc |
| 07:36.53 | Clord | let's say marine is 2/2 ^^ |
| 07:37.05 | Clord | it hits 2 damage and can take 2 damage |
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| 07:37.57 | ekcolnvkol | isn't that like magic |
| 07:38.02 | ekcolnvkol | o.o |
| 07:38.31 | Clord | well player units walk speed of 1 towards enemy's base ^^ |
| 07:38.42 | Clord | so they duke it out |
| 07:38.58 | Clord | they also has identical attack ranges unless card notes it or card is melee |
| 07:39.08 | ekcolnvkol | so it's not just cards |
| 07:39.09 | ekcolnvkol | it's chess |
| 07:39.10 | ekcolnvkol | :o |
| 07:39.19 | ekcolnvkol | so it's like Disgaea |
| 07:39.26 | Clord | lol it is realtime game |
| 07:39.28 | Clord | still =) |
| 07:39.33 | ekcolnvkol | so it's like starcraft |
| 07:39.39 | ekcolnvkol | on super-slow-mo o.o |
| 07:40.00 | Clord | it is card game inspired by other card stuff etc |
| 07:40.15 | Clord | there is even some support cards like |
| 07:40.28 | Clord | every second certain unit is alive walking towards enemy base..... it steals one mineral |
| 07:40.29 | Clord | ^^ |
| 07:42.07 | Clord | or stuff like.. two more cards worth minerals card |
| 07:42.50 | ekcolnvkol | sounds like the person is going to have to be very familiar with the game to play it |
| 07:45.11 | gwho | that card game is crazy |
| 07:46.33 | gwho | except that it's in tug of war style mode |
| 07:46.46 | gwho | someone should make like, a card game card game. |
| 07:46.48 | gwho | magic, pokemon |
| 07:46.50 | gwho | style |
| 07:46.51 | gwho | yugioh style |
| 07:47.10 | Helral|work | roflol I was just thinking that, gwho |
| 07:47.29 | gwho | haha |
| 07:47.29 | gwho | righT? |
| 07:47.31 | Helral|work | but the problem lies in how will you allow people to create their decks ;p |
| 07:47.35 | gwho | the card UI is insane tho |
| 07:47.51 | gwho | customizing decks could take a while |
| 07:48.45 | Clord | I at least for while stay away from dechk builder function |
| 07:48.48 | Clord | lol |
| 07:48.50 | Clord | also |
| 07:48.53 | Clord | it can ruin map fun somewhat |
| 07:49.00 | Clord | cheese decks ^^ |
| 07:49.00 | Helral|work | maybe having 2 screens following one another. screen 1: choose default deck. screen 2: modify deck (timer that runs for 2 mins orso. if player didn't change the default deck in this time: use the default deck but do save this deck ;p |
| 07:49.28 | gwho | nice |
| 07:49.41 | gwho | cards... how crazy |
| 07:49.48 | Clord | lol there could be bonus to allow 100% random deck ^^ |
| 07:49.53 | Helral|work | that way you prevent that deck building will take too much time, but allow it for happening. |
| 07:49.59 | Helral|work | hehehe ;p |
| 07:50.00 | gwho | yeaaaa |
| 07:50.15 | ekcolnvkol | Alpha Dog: Zyrkhan gains x.xx armor per unit within a radius of 5. |
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| 07:50.32 | ekcolnvkol | auras based on variables ;S |
| 07:50.51 | Helral|work | think yu=gi=oh and pokemon are easier to make then magic ;p |
| 07:51.31 | Helral|work | magic doesn't have a board limit. yugioh/pokemon does. ;p |
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| 07:51.54 | ekcolnvkol | the board limit is 1 legendary of each type |
| 07:52.06 | ekcolnvkol | but i think there was a card that negated that rule |
| 07:52.18 | Helral|work | hall of mirrors (magic) |
| 07:52.25 | Helral|work | or something like that ;p |
| 07:52.41 | Helral|work | it is an enchantment that allows multiple legendaries with the same name |
| 07:53.10 | gwho | whats the way to "preserve trigger" in sc2? |
| 07:53.14 | gwho | help |
| 07:53.21 | Helral|work | "preserve"? |
| 07:53.35 | gwho | like |
| 07:53.40 | gwho | kind of like a "while" condition |
| 07:53.50 | gwho | that executes again and again if conditions are met |
| 07:53.58 | Helral|work | periodic event? |
| 07:54.06 | gwho | mmm continually checking |
| 07:54.21 | gwho | like, the trigger is not a one time thing |
| 07:54.36 | gwho | i tried doing while condition |
| 07:54.39 | gwho | but it doenst let me put in what i want |
| 07:54.51 | gwho | conditions are so restrctive |
| 07:54.56 | Helral|work | Event: Periodic - every 0.1 of game time.. Conditions: bla bla bla ;p |
| 07:55.11 | gwho | not periodic |
| 07:55.13 | gwho | but based on a condition being met |
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| 07:55.34 | vjeux | hey |
| 07:55.36 | Clord | my card system takes advantage of unit type variable too... let's say unit type of card is nuclear missile... other trigger knows it is special card and blows up entire field |
| 07:55.38 | Clord | ^^ |
| 07:55.49 | Helral|work | event = reason for triggering, condition = limitation on triggering. |
| 07:56.03 | Helral|work | so what kind of condition do you have and when do you want to trigger it? |
| 07:56.28 | gwho | my map is called worms right |
| 07:56.30 | gwho | so whne the worm head |
| 07:56.37 | ekcolnvkol | o.o |
| 07:56.38 | gwho | is x distance from the body |
| 07:56.48 | gwho | ok |
| 07:56.54 | gwho | body = eggs |
| 07:57.01 | gwho | head = nydus worm |
| 07:57.04 | gwho | when it gets x distance far from the newest egg |
| 07:57.11 | gwho | i want it to create another egg centered on the head |
| 07:57.21 | gwho | that way when u just keep moving the head around the map |
| 07:57.27 | gwho | ur body gets longer |
| 07:57.31 | gwho | kind of like "snakes" |
| 07:57.36 | Helral|work | is the head an unit placed on the map from the start? |
| 07:57.47 | gwho | i'd rather it not be, but it seems like it's forcing me to do that |
| 07:58.08 | Helral|work | if it is you can use: unit leaves range of unit. |
| 07:58.21 | gwho | cz when one round ends, the map resets, and a brand new round |
| 07:58.33 | gwho | winner of x rounds wins the game |
| 07:58.34 | ekcolnvkol | everybody wants kung fu fighting~ |
| 07:58.34 | Helral|work | if not then you might want to use a behavior orso that creates the egg. |
| 07:58.38 | ekcolnvkol | his hands were fast as lightning~ |
| 07:58.38 | gwho | lol wat |
| 07:58.56 | gwho | oo behavior to create egg instead of trigger? |
| 07:59.18 | ekcolnvkol | wow |
| 07:59.19 | gwho | the thing is, if the head is staying still, i dont want it to create an egg,... only if it moves x distance from the egg |
| 07:59.23 | ekcolnvkol | apparently i don't know the lyrics at all :( |
| 07:59.26 | ekcolnvkol | weeps |
| 07:59.28 | gwho | do i want it to create egg |
| 07:59.30 | gwho | lol |
| 07:59.54 | gwho | do u have broodwar, helral? |
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| 08:03.40 | gwho | =( |
| 08:03.49 | gwho | how did u guys learn the editor? |
| 08:04.31 | Sixen | We're awesome :) |
| 08:04.42 | Sixen | http://forums.sc2mapster.com/development/tutorials/ :) |
| 08:05.21 | Helral|work | @gwho: behaviors can contain parameters on which to trigger ;p |
| 08:05.57 | Helral|work | if no egg within 0.5 of unit the run effect spawn egg <-- things like that can be done with behaviors/effects. |
| 08:06.47 | Helral|work | I've learned the editor by playing around with it ;p |
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| 08:07.07 | Helral|work | and for some things I couldn't figure out I used the tutorials as Sixen already linked ;p |
| 08:07.24 | Sixen | Mhmm. A lot of stuff can be learned by just poking around |
| 08:07.48 | ekcolnvkol | nods |
| 08:07.51 | ekcolnvkol | it's true |
| 08:07.51 | ekcolnvkol | :o |
| 08:07.59 | ekcolnvkol | experiment with everything |
| 08:08.03 | ekcolnvkol | except homosexuality |
| 08:08.05 | ekcolnvkol | and weed |
| 08:08.18 | ekcolnvkol | will get you far |
| 08:08.19 | ekcolnvkol | :o |
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| 08:14.14 | gwho | thx helral |
| 08:14.15 | gwho | doing that thing with triggers is a nightmare |
| 08:14.24 | gwho | someones it doenst let me choose point, sometimes it doenst let me choose region |
| 08:14.26 | gwho | icky |
| 08:15.41 | gwho | where in behaviors do i go to start ? |
| 08:16.55 | Helral|work | hmmm I don't remember the specific location.... it was something with a behavior in which you could set a certain condition range and an effect to take place when the condition is valid. |
| 08:17.07 | Helral|work | I've got an example map at home :S but I ain't at home now :( |
| 08:17.11 | gwho | ic |
| 08:17.15 | gwho | the only thing i see for behavior |
| 08:17.20 | gwho | is preset stuff |
| 08:17.34 | Helral|work | hmmm what I remember was I create 1 effect, 1 behavior, 1 validator. |
| 08:18.08 | gwho | do u know where would the other 2 be |
| 08:18.21 | Helral|work | I think the validator did the range check. the behavior did the effect triggering every x secs, the effect cause the unit to do something, and contains a link to the validator. |
| 08:18.52 | Helral|work | so it would only have it's effect if the validator was passed. |
| 08:18.56 | gwho | the logic is clear, i just can't find them hehe |
| 08:19.02 | gwho | right |
| 08:19.43 | Helral|work | the validator is something like the pre-programmed: NoEnemiesNearby. (validator is a data type) |
| 08:20.10 | gwho | where is validator? |
| 08:20.37 | Helral|work | Data Editor --> dropdown where you pick effects/behavior from the list choose Validators |
| 08:21.25 | gwho | ooooo |
| 08:21.26 | gwho | there it is ty |
| 08:21.29 | gwho | i heart you so muc |
| 08:21.30 | gwho | h |
| 08:22.51 | gwho | one thing though is |
| 08:23.00 | Helral|work | yes? |
| 08:23.03 | gwho | i only want that reference distance to be from the LAST egg created |
| 08:23.16 | Helral|work | hmmmm.... |
| 08:23.38 | gwho | i was thinking of setting points to the newly created egg, and then have the distance reference be from that point |
| 08:23.42 | gwho | but it doenst let me choose point |
| 08:23.44 | gwho | for distances |
| 08:23.54 | gwho | i was trying this in the trigger editor |
| 08:26.26 | Helral|work | hmmm Event - Every X seconds. Loop: For X (0 to 15) do : if LastEgg[X] in unitgroup (units matching condition: units within Y distance of Head[X]) then Do Nothing, else create new egg at location: current position of Head. Set LastEgg[X] = Last Created Unit. |
| 08:26.55 | Helral|work | LastEgg = Unit Array. Head = Unit Array. |
| 08:27.05 | Helral|work | Y = the distance you want it to be. |
| 08:27.28 | Helral|work | X = a player number through which it loops. |
| 08:27.46 | Helral|work | Every X seconds = Every 0.1 seconds. or something |
| 08:27.53 | Helral|work | Periodic Event. |
| 08:27.59 | Helral|work | would that work? |
| 08:28.08 | gwho | probably |
| 08:28.24 | gwho | my problem though is |
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| 08:28.28 | gwho | not being able to duplicate that |
| 08:28.32 | gwho | or find my way around the editor smoothly |
| 08:28.42 | gwho | can it be not time based |
| 08:28.50 | gwho | periodic time based? |
| 08:29.10 | Helral|work | hmm? not being able to duplicate it? |
| 08:29.18 | gwho | like i follow the logic |
| 08:29.31 | gwho | but my fmailiarity with the editor , and where things are, and which triggers do what |
| 08:29.40 | gwho | and where to find those |
| 08:29.46 | gwho | is my problem |
| 08:29.51 | gwho | mainly |
| 08:30.39 | gwho | btw, conditions |
| 08:30.45 | gwho | only apply to variables right? |
| 08:30.59 | Clord | lol? |
| 08:31.05 | gwho | hah |
| 08:31.15 | gwho | cz there ar eonly like 7 things u can choose from conditions |
| 08:31.28 | Clord | there is tons more than seven things for conditions |
| 08:31.29 | gwho | which is very restricting |
| 08:31.47 | Clord | can check rather tons of different stuff including unit types and more |
| 08:31.48 | gwho | cz i want a condition like "if unit is within distance Y of point 001" |
| 08:32.08 | gwho | i can't select those in conditions =( |
| 08:32.19 | Clord | I managed to do range check via condition |
| 08:32.20 | Clord | ^^ |
| 08:32.37 | gwho | for conditions, there is |
| 08:32.54 | gwho | and, comparison, not, or, texthasbeen, withinbounds |
| 08:32.55 | gwho | thats it |
| 08:33.31 | Clord | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:33.32 | Helral|work | there are tabs there ;p |
| 08:33.34 | Clord | :) |
| 08:34.04 | Clord | I made for one map periodic event to check every second distance of stuff |
| 08:34.13 | Clord | and via conditions actual distance check |
| 08:34.17 | Clord | works wonderfully :) |
| 08:34.45 | gwho | it doesnt let me choose stuff like "position of picked unit" in conditions. it lets me choose it in actions though |
| 08:34.46 | Helral|work | http://pastebin.com/7XvJZcUs <-- think this would work, although the condition said by Clord is prolly better for use. |
| 08:35.11 | gwho | pastebin, what a wonderful invention |
| 08:35.15 | Helral|work | ;p |
| 08:35.20 | Helral|work | I just typed it all out though. |
| 08:35.32 | Helral|work | actual results in the editor might differ lightly ;p |
| 08:35.58 | Helral|work | and I don'tknow if Unit in UnitGroup is available. but you'd prolly be better of with the distance thing of Clord for that bit. |
| 08:36.22 | Clord | it is not even laggy method really... =) |
| 08:36.22 | Helral|work | (Distance between (Position of (Head[i])) and (Position of LastEgg[i])) <= 1.0 |
| 08:36.35 | gwho | oo yeah |
| 08:37.01 | gwho | so wat is clords method? |
| 08:37.10 | gwho | explicitly |
| 08:37.34 | Helral|work | think everything is the same as I just linked ya except for the "If LastEgg[i] in (Units in Region ( Convert Radius to Region(Position of Unit Head[i], 1.0) ) matching condition) == True" |
| 08:37.55 | Helral|work | that would be "If (Distance between (Position of (Head[i])) and (Position of LastEgg[i])) <= 1.0)" |
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| 08:42.18 | gwho | ok |
| 08:42.41 | gwho | how do i code "distance btw pos head and pos last egg" |
| 08:42.48 | gwho | is there a function "last created unit" for the egg? |
| 08:42.57 | gwho | and i need to tie that distance to the variable somehow |
| 08:43.22 | Repo | New map: http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/singleplayer-practice/. SinglePlayer Practice. MikeMapster (Manager/Author). Experimental. Approved by sixen. |
| 08:46.04 | gwho | i really appreciate the the help so far helral, clord |
| 08:46.16 | gwho | heart you guys much |
| 08:50.13 | Helral|work | Last Created Unit is the last created unit by the map. so it is only useful for setting the Egg variable after creating the egg. |
| 08:50.36 | Helral|work | it is also useable for setting the head variable after creating the head. |
| 08:52.01 | vjeux | guys I need your help :) |
| 08:52.03 | Helral|work | so you prolly have a trigger like: New Game - some events - actions: for each active player do: create 1 head at ...; Set Head[] = Last Created Unit. |
| 08:52.08 | Helral|work | what is it vjeux? |
| 08:52.13 | vjeux | any idea of to make people vote for 35 youtube videos :p |
| 08:52.20 | vjeux | (spell contest) |
| 08:52.27 | gwho | i want 4 separate worms |
| 08:52.40 | Clord | I made card game AI and lost |
| 08:52.41 | Clord | damn |
| 08:52.42 | Clord | ^^ |
| 08:52.45 | gwho | can i limit it to last created unit by the map THAT ALSO BELONGS TO PLAYER X? |
| 08:52.47 | gwho | lol |
| 08:52.52 | gwho | gj |
| 08:52.58 | gwho | i have an idea for spell |
| 08:53.10 | ekcolnvkol | vj |
| 08:53.18 | vjeux | yes? |
| 08:53.25 | ekcolnvkol | why don't you just post a long thread of side-by-side images of the best parts of each spell |
| 08:53.27 | ekcolnvkol | linked to a video |
| 08:53.33 | gwho | it's called Auit's Vengeance |
| 08:53.33 | ekcolnvkol | so voters can see it all at once |
| 08:53.35 | ekcolnvkol | :/ |
| 08:53.37 | gwho | a templar channels his spell |
| 08:53.40 | Helral|work | @gwho: you do that by setting it to a variable right after creating the unit. |
| 08:53.42 | ekcolnvkol | then they vote |
| 08:53.48 | gwho | does a lil prayer/ chant |
| 08:53.54 | ekcolnvkol | each picture has a number on it |
| 08:53.56 | gwho | and then a giant ghost unit |
| 08:54.03 | ekcolnvkol | and people vote for the number they like most |
| 08:54.05 | gwho | appears and attack the target |
| 08:54.12 | gwho | and then in rapid succession, |
| 08:54.13 | ekcolnvkol | or are you talking about incentives to vote |
| 08:54.16 | gwho | zlot attacks, dragoon attacks, archon, DT |
| 08:54.29 | vjeux | http://dev2.sc2movie.com/tag/312-ability.html |
| 08:54.31 | gwho | all the dead protoss from Auir, is channeled by the high templar, and called upon to attack |
| 08:54.31 | vjeux | like that :p |
| 08:54.54 | ekcolnvkol | pretty much |
| 08:55.07 | ekcolnvkol | so what are you asking <_> |
| 08:55.08 | vjeux | atm it's using facebook |
| 08:55.19 | vjeux | and ... not everyone uses facebook |
| 08:55.27 | ekcolnvkol | btw for some reason the sc2mapster site lags hard for me |
| 08:55.31 | ekcolnvkol | does it lag for you? |
| 08:55.46 | vjeux | we've been linked in blizz facebook |
| 08:55.49 | gwho | @helral, ic.... it's immediately whisked away |
| 08:56.01 | vjeux | we are getting a traffic spike |
| 08:56.05 | vjeux | http://www.facebook.com/StarCraft?v=wall#!/StarCraft |
| 08:56.24 | vjeux | it should go away later |
| 08:56.41 | ekcolnvkol | no, but it's always lagged for me |
| 08:57.32 | gwho | helral : would it be a quick deal for you to code it out and then show me? that way i can reverse engineer it and see where things are on the editor |
| 08:58.08 | gwho | i'm like a dumber version of stephen hawking: i comprehend mentally, but i can't ustilize the tools |
| 08:58.38 | vjeux | lag means it takes a while to load |
| 08:58.49 | vjeux | or it's not smooth to scroll |
| 08:58.56 | ekcolnvkol | it's not smooth to scroll |
| 08:59.00 | ekcolnvkol | :/ |
| 08:59.10 | vjeux | using the new theme? |
| 08:59.15 | ekcolnvkol | both |
| 08:59.21 | ekcolnvkol | the new theme lags less |
| 08:59.34 | vjeux | what browser? |
| 08:59.40 | ekcolnvkol | ie |
| 08:59.42 | ekcolnvkol | 8 |
| 09:00.08 | vjeux | xp, vista, 7? |
| 09:00.13 | ekcolnvkol | 7 |
| 09:00.36 | vjeux | ok |
| 09:00.46 | vjeux | I have no solution yet ... |
| 09:00.49 | ekcolnvkol | just thought you'd know |
| 09:00.53 | vjeux | yup thanks :) |
| 09:01.13 | vjeux | we had to remove css3 filters to make it less laggy already |
| 09:01.18 | vjeux | but ie doesn't have those |
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| 09:05.29 | gwho | FML i can't find "last created unit" |
| 09:06.06 | Helral|work | did you create a variable of type unit? |
| 09:06.29 | gwho | varible is of unit type |
| 09:06.40 | Helral|work | not unit type. just unit ;p |
| 09:06.44 | gwho | inital value null |
| 09:06.59 | gwho | k |
| 09:07.05 | Helral|work | then when setting the variable it should have a function: Last Created Unit. |
| 09:07.39 | gwho | unit last created |
| 09:07.39 | gwho | done |
| 09:08.25 | gwho | i have a comparison trigger |
| 09:08.28 | gwho | with only 1 item |
| 09:08.34 | Repo | 10yabot: 03xorpwnz * r36 YABOT (6 files in 3 directories): |
| 09:08.35 | Repo | Continues porting... all dirty code should be contained in MapScriptTestBen.galaxy |
| 09:16.11 | gwho | wish i could write my own language lol |
| 09:16.36 | Helral|work | well can't you? |
| 09:16.50 | gwho | no im dumb =] |
| 09:32.11 | ekcolnvkol | hero 2 is done :D |
| 09:32.17 | ekcolnvkol | on to 3 |
| 09:32.18 | ekcolnvkol | q.q |
| 09:32.21 | Sixen | :) |
| 09:32.26 | Sixen | I'm playing DotA right now. |
| 09:32.29 | ekcolnvkol | lul |
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| 09:42.45 | gwho | gnite |
| 09:43.22 | Clord | DotA name makes in SCII about as much sense how Karate Kid 2010 is about Kung Fu |
| 09:43.25 | Clord | XD |
| 09:45.43 | Clord | http://www.xfire.com/profile/clord/screenshots/?view#99388707 |
| 09:46.01 | Clord | having some fun with AI |
| 09:46.15 | Clord | I made it even sometimes save up to make big force attack |
| 09:46.16 | Clord | ^^ |
| 09:47.55 | Helral|work | did you loose from your AI again? |
| 09:47.59 | Clord | nah |
| 09:48.02 | Clord | I'm kicking his ass |
| 09:48.03 | Clord | ^^ |
| 09:48.11 | Helral|work | I don't believe you ;p |
| 09:49.15 | Clord | I changed command center to 1 damage per second planetary fortress |
| 09:49.24 | Clord | I found out that without some defense |
| 09:49.27 | Clord | it becomes rather one sided |
| 09:49.29 | Clord | lol |
| 09:49.37 | Helral|work | lol |
| 09:49.38 | ekcolnvkol | SON OF A BITCH |
| 09:49.40 | ekcolnvkol | BLIZARDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD |
| 09:49.46 | Helral|work | what are they doing? |
| 09:50.08 | ekcolnvkol | they replaced ALL their announcer sound files with some asshole that says "Play Placeholder Soundfil" |
| 09:50.13 | ekcolnvkol | FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF |
| 09:50.33 | Helral|work | hmmm? what's new? |
| 09:50.50 | ekcolnvkol | i am angry because i thought i could get the adjutant to say L-L-L-L-LEVEL UP |
| 09:51.15 | Clord | AI even has this "desperate comeback" |
| 09:51.30 | Clord | when near defeat it tries to use every resources it has to save itself |
| 09:51.31 | Clord | XD |
| 09:51.49 | Helral|work | @ekcol: just record your own voice and let that play ;p |
| 09:52.16 | ekcolnvkol | NO, it must be natural to the system >:( |
| 10:00.56 | Sixen | ekcoecneovkol, were the sound files originally there? |
| 10:01.00 | Sixen | Like, were they replaced in a patch? |
| 10:01.06 | ekcolnvkol | i dunno |
| 10:01.23 | ekcolnvkol | i just know that the mod has a subtitle "Level" and "Up" so i thought it'd be awesome |
| 10:01.27 | ekcolnvkol | but I GOT JUKED :( |
| 10:02.48 | *** topic/#sc2mapster by Sixen -> #sc2mapster http://sc2mapster.com/ | Post Bugs/Errors/Feedback with GE in our forums! | Patch 14-16 Undocumented Editor Changes: http://bit.ly/9zWrph | Terrain Wallpaper Contest: http://bit.ly/d2HPge | Idle in #MWE for MilkyWayEditor! |
| 10:05.13 | Helral|work | guess they haven't been supplied yet ;p |
| 10:05.28 | ekcolnvkol | ;( |
| 10:05.34 | Helral|work | you'll have to wait till the actual launch or next beta phase for it. |
| 10:11.32 | Coding_Newb | why is it that my structure placements on the edge of a hill show green (buildable) but i cant build unless i move 1 grid to the inside?? |
| 10:17.53 | Helral|work | @Coding: footprint mismatch for the building? |
| 10:18.21 | Helral|work | the footprint used for the placement is smaller then the actual building footprint? |
| 10:20.11 | Helral|work | shouts: "run everyone... it's Hati... He's back" |
| 10:20.23 | Helral|work | hides |
| 10:20.26 | Clord | so? XD |
| 10:20.28 | Hati | hati is playing Monster Hunter Tri :x |
| 10:20.32 | HP-X|Arthas | hati is like |
| 10:20.36 | HP-X|Arthas | well |
| 10:20.44 | HP-X|Arthas | i cant even describe him :< |
| 10:20.48 | ekcolnvkol | i have a question |
| 10:20.53 | HP-X|Arthas | and hi hati \o |
| 10:20.54 | ekcolnvkol | what is the meaning of life |
| 10:20.56 | ekcolnvkol | :o |
| 10:20.58 | Helral|work | 42 |
| 10:20.59 | HP-X|Arthas | 43 |
| 10:21.02 | Helral|work | hehehe |
| 10:21.03 | Clord | 42 |
| 10:21.04 | HP-X|Arthas | 42 is a common misconception |
| 10:21.06 | Coding_Newb | helralwork: i didnt really change the footprint..its set to 2x2 initially :/ |
| 10:21.21 | HP-X|Arthas | see, 43 is 23*2-3 |
| 10:21.25 | Coding_Newb | photon cannon are 2x2 isnt it |
| 10:21.30 | Arthas-zzz | I have aids |
| 10:21.32 | HP-X|Arthas | Coding_Newb: i think so |
| 10:21.34 | Arthas-zzz | because i like fucking goats |
| 10:21.37 | HP-X|Arthas | rapala |
| 10:21.43 | HP-X|Arthas | I suggest you get the fuck back to hitting :D |
| 10:21.47 | Helral|work | @Coding: then I don't know. |
| 10:21.50 | HP-X|Arthas | \o |
| 10:21.54 | Coding_Newb | then i have no clue either :P |
| 10:21.56 | Arthas-zzz | i suggest you get the fuck back to working |
| 10:21.57 | Arthas-zzz | :D |
| 10:21.59 | HP-X|Arthas | also, join my comp to utonet ^^ |
| 10:22.01 | HP-X|Arthas | i am! |
| 10:22.06 | Arthas-zzz | why? |
| 10:22.08 | HP-X|Arthas | rebooting modem \o |
| 10:22.11 | HP-X|Arthas | true |
| 10:22.12 | Arthas-zzz | lol |
| 10:22.15 | Helral|onBreak | ;p |
| 10:22.20 | HP-X|Arthas | now, time for ot discussion |
| 10:22.36 | Arthas-zzz | about ferrets? |
| 10:22.40 | HP-X|Arthas | no |
| 10:22.47 | HP-X|Arthas | rule34 on command center |
| 10:22.54 | Helral|onBreak | *sigh* |
| 10:22.55 | Arthas-zzz | O_o |
| 10:23.31 | HP-X|Arthas | bah, customar back |
| 10:23.32 | HP-X|Arthas | afk |
| 10:24.30 | Arthas-zzz | ok im gonna hit with you |
| 10:24.37 | Arthas-zzz | 40k def is plenty |
| 10:28.37 | Helral|onBreak | hmmm the meaning of life... I think it should have been 404 |
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| 10:33.02 | ekcolnvkol | holy criping jesus |
| 10:33.11 | ekcolnvkol | youtube views growing exponentially |
| 10:33.14 | ekcolnvkol | <<" |
| 10:36.14 | xgalaxy | jesus the guild has a combic book now |
| 10:36.15 | xgalaxy | wtf |
| 10:36.20 | xgalaxy | comic* |
| 10:39.27 | xgalaxy | lol |
| 10:39.28 | xgalaxy | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yghFBt-fXmw |
| 10:39.59 | ekcolnvkol | o.O |
| 10:59.03 | Maul | the guild was never that great imo |
| 10:59.45 | Maul | i think the novelty was a good looking actress play/understand wow |
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| 11:21.52 | Clord | I noticed when doing my card map that if attack takes exactly same time with both units and they shoot eachother |
| 11:21.58 | Clord | and both hit instant when shot |
| 11:22.05 | Clord | game randoms who does not take hit |
| 11:22.06 | Clord | XD |
| 11:23.12 | Clord | this is with zero random attack duration setting |
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| 11:39.57 | Helral|onBreak | @Clord: you mean to say that if e.g. 2 photon cannons shoot at eachother at exactly the same time only 1 is destroyed? |
| 11:40.01 | vjeux | anyone here willing to help me frapsing some spells |
| 11:40.09 | vjeux | there are 8 spells without videos |
| 11:40.32 | vjeux | would take me hours to do the 8 :p |
| 11:40.51 | vjeux | so if anyone have some minutes to spend to fraps 1 |
| 11:40.56 | vjeux | this would help me a lot :) |
| 11:41.23 | Helral|work | I can help you in 5 hours orso ;p by then you'd prolly be done already ;p |
| 11:41.30 | vjeux | hmm yeah :( |
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| 11:51.10 | HP-X|Arthas | vjeux: might be able to |
| 11:51.15 | HP-X|Arthas | at work atm though |
| 11:51.30 | HP-X|Arthas | prepare a package w tools ill need :p |
| 11:51.32 | HP-X|Arthas | or links |
| 11:52.14 | HP-X|Arthas | not many calls atm so i might be going home earlier |
| 11:53.54 | vjeux | ok |
| 11:53.59 | vjeux | just tell me when you are home |
| 11:54.08 | vjeux | i'll dispatch you spells :) |
| 11:55.12 | Helral|work | package of tools will prolly be: SC2 installed with Editor. Fraps. Windows Movie Maker or another program to compress the generated AVI by fraps. |
| 11:58.46 | HP-X|Arthas | so who has cracked fraps:p |
| 11:58.57 | Helral|work | lol |
| 11:59.10 | Helral|work | vjeux prolly has ;p |
| 11:59.19 | HP-X|Arthas | true |
| 11:59.27 | vjeux | give me your mail |
| 11:59.34 | HP-X|Arthas | windows movie maker - not default in win 7 :p |
| 11:59.36 | HP-X|Arthas | bah |
| 11:59.44 | Helral|work | you can install it for free ;p |
| 11:59.56 | Helral|work | I did on my pc at home ;p |
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| 12:00.21 | Sixen | Does anyone have the Nexus Wars map? |
| 12:00.31 | Clord | Helral... I meant units like ghosts what when they shoot.. they hit instantly instead use projectile |
| 12:00.39 | Clord | if there is zero difference between attack delays |
| 12:00.42 | Clord | it randoms what ghost dies |
| 12:00.43 | Clord | ^^ |
| 12:00.46 | Helral|work | ahhh |
| 12:01.00 | Helral|work | it randoms who was a ms faster then the other so they won't die at same time. |
| 12:01.02 | Helral|work | :( |
| 12:01.05 | HP-X|Arthas | Helral|work: i know |
| 12:01.23 | Clord | it makes good card gameplay mechanic |
| 12:01.28 | Clord | solves problem where both dies |
| 12:01.29 | Clord | ^^ |
| 12:01.31 | HP-X|Arthas | but i hope i can make it work of another disk than c: :p |
| 12:01.39 | Helral|work | @Clord: so it is not possible to remake the cs action of double-kill. (both players dying at same time.) |
| 12:01.52 | Helral|work | my own definition of double kill that is ;p |
| 12:02.04 | Clord | that is double K.O |
| 12:02.07 | Clord | aka double knocked out |
| 12:02.08 | Clord | what you mean |
| 12:02.10 | Clord | ^^ |
| 12:02.12 | Helral|work | hehehe ;p |
| 12:02.23 | Clord | well |
| 12:02.25 | Helral|work | well it is always fun when shooting at eachother and both die. |
| 12:02.26 | Clord | projectile based units |
| 12:02.29 | Clord | still kills eachother |
| 12:02.29 | Clord | =) |
| 12:02.45 | Helral|work | so you'll need to set it to projectile ith 0.1 timing? |
| 12:03.08 | Clord | lol something like that |
| 12:03.16 | Helral|work | hmmm |
| 12:03.50 | Clord | or tons trigger checks... lol |
| 12:03.59 | Clord | both units HP and what combination of units it is |
| 12:03.59 | Helral|work | hahahaha |
| 12:04.02 | Clord | XD |
| 12:04.20 | Helral|work | no need to save the unit for a cs map ;p |
| 12:04.35 | Helral|work | so that is one big problem less ;p |
| 12:05.09 | Clord | I probably remove attack button requirement from my map to make unit shoot in that zom....zerg survival |
| 12:05.10 | Clord | XD |
| 12:05.18 | Clord | people are too dumb to realize they must hold it |
| 12:05.27 | Clord | because they don't see animation if there is nothing to shoot |
| 12:05.28 | Clord | :) |
| 12:05.44 | Clord | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:06.05 | ekcolnvkol | Shadow Vortex: Generates a vortex at target location, drawing nearby enemies towards the center.<n/><n/>Level 1: |
| 12:06.06 | Helral|work | near invincible unit: unit get lethal dmg. dmg>cur hp. set cur hp to max hp ;p |
| 12:06.43 | Helral|work | @ekcol sounds like the ulti of enigma (DotA) |
| 12:06.44 | Clord | anyways my card game map is like some weird real time magic the gathering with moving units |
| 12:06.47 | Clord | and resource system |
| 12:06.49 | ekcolnvkol | yeah it is |
| 12:06.50 | ekcolnvkol | but does no damage |
| 12:06.53 | ekcolnvkol | :/ |
| 12:06.58 | ekcolnvkol | also much shorter cooldown |
| 12:07.03 | Helral|work | hehehe ;p |
| 12:07.14 | Helral|work | is it channeling or intstant? |
| 12:07.32 | Clord | that AI what I coded once got two rare thors to his "deck" same time XD |
| 12:07.35 | ekcolnvkol | instant |
| 12:07.35 | Helral|work | could also be the dark seer's vortex ability ;p |
| 12:07.42 | ekcolnvkol | yeah |
| 12:07.53 | Helral|work | or does it stun as well? |
| 12:07.56 | ekcolnvkol | the templar moves in and uses aoe damage |
| 12:07.57 | ekcolnvkol | yeah |
| 12:07.59 | Helral|work | magnus ulti ;p |
| 12:08.29 | Helral|work | I don't play dota often..... |
| 12:08.33 | Clord | I gotta release this card map today... >_> |
| 12:08.45 | Helral|work | hehehe |
| 12:08.53 | ekcolnvkol | i want announcer voices |
| 12:08.53 | ekcolnvkol | ;( |
| 12:08.59 | ekcolnvkol | W-W-W-WICKED SICK |
| 12:09.13 | Clord | currently my map is called "Card Game" |
| 12:09.35 | Helral|work | I'll be releasing v0.4 of my dungeon generator map soon. still need to decide on 1 thing and fix 1 other thing. |
| 12:10.00 | Clord | I got even better idea.. I call it "THE Card Game" |
| 12:10.01 | vjeux | great |
| 12:11.14 | Helral|work | one of the easiest but prolly most appreciated changes: minimap shows the area's where you've been and not the area's where you haven't been yet. (same goes for the ingame viewing area.) |
| 12:12.01 | Helral|work | and the minimap only shows the map for a certain range around you. |
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| 12:15.11 | Clord | I shall start uploading soon :) |
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| 12:15.24 | Clord | when sc2mapster comes back to live |
| 12:15.26 | Clord | life |
| 12:15.34 | Clord | bit slow today lol |
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| 12:17.41 | Sixen | :| |
| 12:17.44 | Sixen | It's also 5:am |
| 12:17.49 | Sixen | probably what the problem is, :P |
| 12:20.51 | Maul | yes because the interwebs is located in america :P |
| 12:22.35 | Clord | http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/card-game-vs-ai/ |
| 12:22.36 | Clord | =) |
| 12:22.51 | Sixen | Maul, did you miss the memo? |
| 12:23.00 | Sixen | "INTARWEBZ STRIKTLEE FO AMURKANZ" |
| 12:23.28 | Maul | oh no |
| 12:23.32 | Maul | my dialup |
| 12:23.38 | Maul | calls america |
| 12:23.46 | Maul | omg im chatting long distance |
| 12:23.56 | ekcolnvkol | sixen |
| 12:24.01 | ekcolnvkol | is there a guide to actor points? |
| 12:24.05 | ekcolnvkol | like |
| 12:24.06 | ekcolnvkol | weapon left |
| 12:24.07 | ekcolnvkol | etc |
| 12:24.15 | Sixen | hm |
| 12:24.20 | ekcolnvkol | actor attach points |
| 12:24.25 | Sixen | You might be able to look at the Uberlisk guide |
| 12:25.04 | Sixen | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/6606139/UberliskCreationGuide.rtf |
| 12:25.24 | HP-X|Arthas | sixen |
| 12:25.35 | HP-X|Arthas | i assume you are a verified fanepage for sc2 now? |
| 12:25.35 | Sixen | Hp |
| 12:25.40 | Sixen | Yeah :P |
| 12:25.41 | HP-X|Arthas | :p |
| 12:25.44 | Sixen | :) |
| 12:25.54 | Maul | as a perk |
| 12:26.00 | Maul | i think bashiok has a crush on sixen |
| 12:26.13 | Sixen | Bashy is my homie. |
| 12:26.30 | Maul | "Sixen, how would it feel if you log in day one, excited to grab your name, and someone else already has? And so you're stuck having to use some variation." |
| 12:27.11 | Maul | i imagine you would be disappoint |
| 12:27.38 | Sixen | Of course |
| 12:27.39 | Sixen | :P |
| 12:27.47 | ekcolnvkol | o.O |
| 12:27.50 | ekcolnvkol | thanks sixen |
| 12:27.56 | Maul | one day bashiok will say |
| 12:28.11 | Sixen | =) |
| 12:28.18 | Maul | "for example, let's use maul, one of the communities most valued and cherished posters" |
| 12:28.34 | Sixen | pfft |
| 12:28.40 | Sixen | He kinda said that about me later in his post |
| 12:28.41 | Sixen | :P |
| 12:29.16 | ekcolnvkol | it doesnt specify the all attach points |
| 12:29.48 | Sixen | =| |
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| 12:37.02 | HP-X|Arthas | great sixen |
| 12:37.12 | HP-X|Arthas | ask bashiok if he has any non-official info on the lan |
| 12:37.20 | HP-X|Arthas | i mean really |
| 12:37.22 | Sixen | When I was at the press tour I saw a lan option |
| 12:37.32 | HP-X|Arthas | considering the game is to be released in 20 days and is prolly already printing |
| 12:37.42 | HP-X|Arthas | there is really little info |
| 12:37.48 | HP-X|Arthas | errr |
| 12:37.48 | Sixen | Game still have a full mont |
| 12:37.50 | Sixen | more than that |
| 12:37.50 | HP-X|Arthas | yeah |
| 12:37.56 | HP-X|Arthas | im in july! :p |
| 12:38.00 | Sixen | :P |
| 12:38.04 | HP-X|Arthas | sweden, always one month ahead ;p |
| 12:38.04 | Clord | but technically |
| 12:38.07 | Clord | beta comes back sooner |
| 12:38.07 | Clord | ^^ |
| 12:38.13 | Sixen | truth |
| 12:38.17 | Clord | and it is almost like game release for many |
| 12:38.17 | HP-X|Arthas | beta is prolly only back for server testing |
| 12:38.18 | Clord | lol |
| 12:39.46 | Clord | anways I pushed this out from door... "THE Card Game"... then when I uploaded it |
| 12:39.54 | Clord | I found out of those mistakes |
| 12:39.56 | Clord | ^^ |
| 12:40.04 | Clord | so I did need make quick corrections >_> |
| 12:40.07 | Zironic | I'm willing to bet quite a lot that starcraft 2 will be one of those games you're forced to patch at day 1. |
| 12:40.23 | Maul | theyve already said theyre doing it |
| 12:40.35 | Maul | it gives them a chance to work on things while copies and being made and shipped |
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| 12:41.13 | Clord | and customer service has some fun |
| 12:41.19 | Clord | like let's say "peerblock" program |
| 12:41.32 | Clord | XD |
| 12:41.40 | Clord | and add top of that stupid computer user ;) |
| 12:48.54 | HP-X|Arthas | Patch 1: Removed roach and moved hydralisk to tier 1 |
| 12:48.56 | HP-X|Arthas | :p |
| 12:50.21 | Clord | they love to cut |
| 12:50.24 | Clord | new units |
| 12:50.33 | Clord | they axed almost every new unit |
| 12:50.34 | Clord | lol |
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| 12:50.45 | Clord | more like half axed ;) as campaign only |
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| 13:03.54 | vjeux | HP-X|Arthas: got all them recorded, thanks anyway : |
| 13:03.54 | vjeux | ) |
| 13:04.21 | vjeux | http://dev2.sc2movie.com/tag/312-ability.html |
| 13:04.27 | vjeux | there are 36 entries :x |
| 13:04.55 | ekcolnvkol | that's enough for 9 heroes! ;D |
| 13:05.03 | vjeux | :) |
| 13:05.26 | vjeux | i hope that people are going to vote even though that's through facebook |
| 13:26.52 | Grum | failbook:( |
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| 13:28.31 | HP-X|Arthas | vjeux: ok |
| 13:28.33 | HP-X|Arthas | :D |
| 13:28.39 | ekcolnvkol | OHHHHHHHHHHHHH SHIT |
| 13:28.41 | ekcolnvkol | GET YOUR TOWELS READY |
| 13:28.43 | ekcolnvkol | IT'S ABOUT TO GO DOWN |
| 13:28.46 | HP-X|Arthas | ill vote if you friend me vjeux ! |
| 13:28.54 | HP-X|Arthas | i dont have a frenchie in my flist yet |
| 13:28.56 | vjeux | :p |
| 13:28.58 | ekcolnvkol | 4 I'M ON A BOAT. |
| 13:29.00 | HP-X|Arthas | gotta catch em all! |
| 13:29.07 | HP-X|Arthas | i threw it on the ground! |
| 13:29.17 | vjeux | sure, give me your facebook profile link :p |
| 13:29.35 | ekcolnvkol | his music makes me shed tears T_T |
| 13:29.39 | ekcolnvkol | speaks to my soul |
| 13:29.41 | ekcolnvkol | D: |
| 13:29.47 | HP-X|Arthas | later vjeux, im running home :D |
| 13:29.51 | vjeux | k |
| 13:30.14 | HP-X|Arthas | i already have female and male american and nl |
| 13:30.34 | HP-X|Arthas | facebook - its like pokemon, only with more pokemons! |
| 13:30.43 | HP-X|Arthas | later! |
| 13:31.10 | ekcolnvkol | vjeux |
| 13:31.17 | ekcolnvkol | have you considered putting them all in one video |
| 13:31.37 | vjeux | no |
| 13:32.15 | vjeux | but i've considered making a big video that would feature many of the videos that people have done |
| 13:32.18 | Azu | got my new monitor today <3<3 |
| 13:32.24 | vjeux | to show what's possible to do with the editor |
| 13:32.34 | vjeux | but haven't found anyone to record it yet :p |
| 13:32.55 | Azu | lols |
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| 13:37.35 | Ashamed | ello |
| 13:37.54 | Jum-Jum | a mashup of work, that would be nice vjeux |
| 13:38.24 | vjeux | mashup! thanks for the word :) |
| 13:40.37 | Jum-Jum | noooo! |
| 13:40.43 | Jum-Jum | trademark! copyright! |
| 13:42.05 | Ashamed | Guys I am going to be a dad :) |
| 13:42.15 | vjeux | congrats! |
| 13:42.19 | ekcolnvkol | are you Ashamed? |
| 13:42.22 | ekcolnvkol | o.o |
| 13:42.28 | Ashamed | i guess I wont get to sc2 as much as i wanted >< |
| 13:42.31 | Ashamed | I am asahmed |
| 13:42.35 | ekcolnvkol | i see |
| 13:42.37 | Ashamed | lol |
| 13:42.48 | vjeux | learn sc2 to your kid :P |
| 13:42.51 | Ashamed | yeah |
| 13:43.00 | Ashamed | it will be out for 10-15 years until the next one |
| 13:43.01 | Ashamed | so i am good |
| 13:43.40 | ekcolnvkol | vjeux |
| 13:43.44 | ekcolnvkol | only like 2 good spells :( |
| 13:43.55 | vjeux | well, "Like" 2 of them :p |
| 13:44.26 | Ashamed | I made a cloak missle lol |
| 13:44.36 | Ashamed | It cloaks 5 of your units for 20 seconds |
| 13:44.39 | Ashamed | :) |
| 13:44.51 | Ashamed | That is my first data edit spell |
| 13:45.08 | ekcolnvkol | i have STARGATE BEAMMMMM |
| 13:45.11 | ekcolnvkol | but i didn't submit |
| 13:45.12 | ekcolnvkol | :/ |
| 13:45.25 | ekcolnvkol | might blow too many minds |
| 13:46.54 | Krakarn | my pokemon brings all the nerds to the yard, and theyre like: "do you wanna trade cards?" damn right! i wanna trade cards |
| 13:47.06 | ekcolnvkol | :< |
| 13:47.08 | ekcolnvkol | i had |
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| 13:47.15 | ekcolnvkol | a pro-level pokemon deck |
| 13:47.21 | ekcolnvkol | but by the time i made it, it was too late T.T |
| 13:47.44 | Krakarn | didnt even bother with it:) |
| 13:48.26 | Krakarn | it was considered as childish among my friends :) |
| 13:55.18 | Wihl | think im was a bit too old for the pokemon thing |
| 13:55.24 | Wihl | -m |
| 13:55.41 | Clord | yet if you was enough young when you started |
| 13:55.43 | Clord | people are cool |
| 13:55.45 | Clord | XD |
| 13:56.26 | Clord | usually intended target audience is clear from game's difficulty |
| 13:56.43 | Clord | pokemon games overall are extremely no challenge easy most part |
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| 13:59.45 | Clord | added image to my card game project as requested |
| 13:59.47 | Clord | XD |
| 13:59.59 | Clord | not most amazing action packet one but it tells bit what it is |
| 14:01.05 | Repo | New announcement: http://www.sc2mapster.com/announcements/spell-contest-vote-m3-animation-starcraft-survivors/ |
| 14:01.05 | vjeux | omg news! |
| 14:02.21 | Clord | http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/card-game-vs-ai/ |
| 14:02.23 | Clord | :) |
| 14:02.24 | Jum-Jum | wooooooooooooooooooot |
| 14:02.35 | Jum-Jum | using the wc3 models like that |
| 14:02.37 | Jum-Jum | so smooth |
| 14:03.07 | vjeux | great Clord |
| 14:03.14 | vjeux | make a youtube video and you get in the next news :) |
| 14:03.26 | Clord | okay |
| 14:03.39 | Clord | I wonder if I should just referee and let AI guys play or beat crap out of AI video |
| 14:03.40 | Clord | =) |
| 14:04.13 | Clord | I'm somewhat becoming AI fanatic |
| 14:04.18 | Clord | they are always almost facinated me |
| 14:04.19 | Clord | lol |
| 14:05.18 | Clord | time to set up fraps and record my awesome victory |
| 14:05.24 | Clord | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:05.36 | Jum-Jum | me too Clord |
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| 14:08.02 | Clord | oops quick brood lord balance change for recording |
| 14:08.03 | Clord | :) |
| 14:08.48 | Clord | those brood supporters are not really intended at least yet |
| 14:08.48 | Clord | lol |
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| 14:13.29 | Clord | bah they work as intended... got alarmed for moment :) |
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| 14:32.35 | Clord | stuff recorded... time to make it video |
| 14:32.36 | Clord | :) |
| 14:32.54 | vjeux | :) |
| 14:36.47 | Clord | my 4:3 1600X1200 resolution bit stomps HD video |
| 14:36.51 | Clord | but it will look fine |
| 14:36.51 | Clord | XD |
| 14:38.16 | Wihl | Clord - should use the animated unit image although i guess that might not be possible |
| 14:38.55 | vjeux | http://forums.sc2mapster.com/general/off-topic/3756-offtopic-but-the-best-cs-movie/ |
| 14:39.00 | vjeux | pretty cool cs movie |
| 14:39.33 | nicoli_s | cs? |
| 14:39.55 | vjeux | counter strike |
| 14:39.59 | nicoli_s | ahh |
| 14:42.42 | Clord | Wihl..... still images works just fine |
| 14:42.45 | Clord | they are cards after all |
| 14:42.56 | Arthas-zzz | ok vjeux that was wicked |
| 14:43.29 | Clord | http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/card-game-vs-ai/files/4-the-card-game-vs-ai-v1-03/ |
| 14:43.33 | Clord | fixed broodlings |
| 14:43.40 | Clord | 30 hit points broodlings was not really intended |
| 14:43.40 | Clord | XD |
| 14:44.25 | vjeux | :p |
| 14:44.52 | Arthas-zzz | now a nap |
| 14:44.55 | Arthas-zzz | dead tired |
| 14:50.43 | nicoli_s | so vjeux how is yer site holding up? |
| 14:51.21 | vjeux | Clord: the ai isn't doing anything, i s that normal? |
| 14:51.33 | vjeux | what do you mean by holding up? |
| 14:51.42 | vjeux | nevermind, he was just slow to send units ... |
| 14:54.19 | vjeux | the ai is a noob :p |
| 14:54.36 | nicoli_s | like is everything working and is the load alright |
| 14:55.22 | vjeux | yeah |
| 14:55.30 | vjeux | not much visits so far |
| 14:55.46 | vjeux | i'm worried about me using order by rand() everywhere :p |
| 14:56.06 | vjeux | but the website is hosted on a dedicated server so except that it should be alright |
| 14:56.31 | Clord | actually AI is made to rush with entire card pack |
| 14:57.42 | vjeux | i've got 50 vespene but not enough cards :( |
| 14:58.08 | Clord | I sometimes get plenty minerals but lack vespene |
| 14:58.12 | Clord | it can go easily either way |
| 14:58.13 | Clord | ^^ |
| 14:59.01 | vjeux | omg, there's an unit that prevents you from getting minerals? |
| 14:59.46 | vjeux | you need to speed up the gameplay |
| 14:59.55 | vjeux | and make it more strategic :) |
| 15:00.40 | Grum | vjeux: order by rand shouldnt be that harsh :) |
| 15:00.57 | vjeux | i've read everywhere that it was killing the performances |
| 15:01.03 | Clord | lol... it has barely all intended cards even yet :) |
| 15:01.12 | Clord | but now away for bit |
| 15:01.23 | vjeux | anyway since there's no registrations, I will be able to easily make a caching system |
| 15:01.28 | vjeux | ok |
| 15:08.20 | Hati | meh |
| 15:08.42 | Hati | http://img716.imageshack.us/img716/5162/mh3meh.png |
| 15:08.44 | Hati | uncool! |
| 15:10.23 | nicoli_s | is that in sc2? |
| 15:11.24 | Hati | no thats not :x |
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| 15:14.30 | vjeux | challenge: make it in sc2 xD |
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| 15:21.33 | Hati | newest nvidia driver ? |
| 15:21.36 | Hati | 257.21 |
| 15:21.47 | Hati | wasnt the latest something like 198 ? |
| 15:22.30 | Twiner | what? |
| 15:22.35 | Twiner | its been over 200 for a while now |
| 15:24.40 | Hati | well not for 9 series |
| 15:25.57 | Twiner | yeah for the 9 series |
| 15:26.04 | Twiner | I mean, they haven't made updates to the 9 series in some time |
| 15:27.24 | Helral|asleep | meow |
| 15:27.27 | Twiner | http://www.sc2mapster.com/assets/m3-export-plugin-3ds-max/ this is awesome |
| 15:27.38 | Twiner | I'm going to import the Warcraft 3 heros into SC2 for my map |
| 15:27.57 | Twiner | i've been concerned about the fact that my player models are not realyl all that good for the game type |
| 15:29.26 | vjeux | Twiner: if you manage to import them, would be nice to make a sample map that uses them |
| 15:29.35 | vjeux | so people can just copy & paste from the map :) |
| 15:29.57 | Twiner | vjeux: I but you the guy who made that link I just pasted already has one |
| 15:30.09 | Twiner | it would be nice, because then i don't actually have to do all the work involved :p |
| 15:30.16 | nicoli_s | "I but you the guy" - huh? |
| 15:30.42 | Twiner | s/but/bet |
| 15:30.55 | nicoli_s | ahh |
| 15:31.00 | nicoli_s | that makes more sense :P |
| 15:31.26 | Twiner | but I could make cool models for my spells now |
| 15:33.45 | Helral | @Twiner: invalid regex ;p |
| 15:34.02 | Twiner | :p |
| 15:34.07 | Twiner | hows your map comin? |
| 15:34.16 | Helral | working on version 0.4 atm |
| 15:34.23 | Twiner | have any new vids? |
| 15:34.42 | Helral | http://forums.sc2mapster.com/development/project-workplace/2407-helrals-random-dungeon-map/ |
| 15:34.47 | Helral | dunno how many vids you've seen ;p |
| 15:34.52 | Helral | but I've posted them all there. |
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| 15:35.25 | Twiner | you've improved the map generator |
| 15:35.38 | Twiner | less chaotic now |
| 15:35.48 | Helral | less chaotic? |
| 15:36.24 | Twiner | before it looked kinda like a thousand interlocking cooridors |
| 15:36.43 | Twiner | its more room hall like now |
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| 15:36.51 | *** mode/#sc2mapster [+v Hati] by ChanServ |
| 15:37.22 | Twiner | its still a little wierd though, because you can't tell where rooms are vs not rooms |
| 15:38.03 | Twiner | but who am I to talk, I haven't even built my RDG |
| 15:38.23 | Helral | lol |
| 15:38.26 | ekcolnvkol | rdg? |
| 15:38.39 | Helral | want me to make it more rooms, and corridors like then? ;p |
| 15:38.46 | Hati | Random Dungeon Generator |
| 15:38.47 | Hati | i guess |
| 15:38.55 | Clord | video is still uploading |
| 15:39.07 | Clord | 68% |
| 15:39.15 | Helral | yup |
| 15:39.34 | Twiner | Helral: I'm concerned about usage of WASD/Point and click ont hese maps though |
| 15:39.45 | Twiner | I want to use on click events for everythign |
| 15:39.53 | Twiner | but I'm concerned about its viability in mulitplayer |
| 15:40.02 | Helral | I'm using both ;p |
| 15:40.04 | Twiner | I've been waiting for the next beta phase to see if they change it at all |
| 15:40.20 | Twiner | I also need to figure out if its possible to have a mini map while removing the standard AI |
| 15:40.48 | Helral | removing the standard AI? |
| 15:40.51 | Twiner | err UI |
| 15:40.55 | Twiner | failtyper I am |
| 15:40.56 | Helral | ahhh |
| 15:40.58 | Helral | roflol |
| 15:41.51 | Helral | I actually plan on using the standard UI... maybe adjust the command cards so it doesn't have some actions but instead some other things. |
| 15:48.12 | Wihl | anyone else watching the slovakia - usa game? |
| 15:48.18 | Wihl | usa got robbed |
| 15:49.20 | Twiner | I wonder if there is a way for me to change command cards on the flyt |
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| 15:50.24 | Alpha_vst | rawr |
| 15:50.43 | Twiner | meow |
| 15:51.01 | Helral | meow |
| 15:51.29 | Helral | btw Twiner. |
| 15:51.38 | Alpha_vst | lol |
| 15:51.57 | Alpha_vst | http://i48.tinypic.com/2l8c0b4.jpg my new floor and wall textures... |
| 15:52.10 | Alpha_vst | does it look better than the old? |
| 15:52.30 | Helral | smaller grid? |
| 15:52.37 | Alpha_vst | yeah |
| 15:52.58 | Alpha_vst | i wanted a grid that matched the placement grid 0.o |
| 15:53.01 | Twiner | awww |
| 15:53.03 | Alpha_vst | but its impossible |
| 15:53.06 | Twiner | I wish I could do mouse over stuff :/ |
| 15:53.19 | Krakarn | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPuu9xIO-54&feature=related |
| 15:53.23 | Alpha_vst | so i went for a 3x3 = one |
| 15:53.24 | Krakarn | lol |
| 15:53.45 | Alpha_vst | cause well 1024/96 doesnt = a event number :P |
| 15:53.53 | Alpha_vst | even |
| 15:54.47 | Twiner | Helral: btw wghat? |
| 15:55.10 | Alpha_vst | i made it darker so its not so hard on the eyes and you can tell what yoru doign more like |
| 15:56.36 | ekcolnvkol | today |
| 15:56.38 | ekcolnvkol | i told me doctor |
| 15:56.47 | ekcolnvkol | "i thought it was cancer, so i ignored it" |
| 15:56.55 | ekcolnvkol | and he was like |
| 15:56.56 | Alpha_vst | 0.o |
| 15:56.58 | Helral | swipes at Twiner |
| 15:56.58 | ekcolnvkol | <.< |
| 15:57.03 | Helral | I'm the only one who may meow ;p |
| 15:57.17 | Alpha_vst | so anyone give me some feedback on my new texture... |
| 15:57.39 | Twiner | looks good? |
| 15:57.43 | Helral | uhm... it looks gray? ;p |
| 15:58.16 | Alpha_vst | well the thing is doing anything was hard to see |
| 15:58.47 | Alpha_vst | the white really fucked everything up pretty badly |
| 15:59.03 | Helral | hehehe |
| 15:59.25 | Helral | damn can't remember my plan for v0.4 ;p |
| 16:00.57 | Alpha_vst | what was it? |
| 16:01.23 | Helral | ahh now I remember the thing I need to fix... |
| 16:01.41 | Helral | sometimes my "hidden" doors get spawned in the wrong position... |
| 16:02.07 | Helral | and I need to decide to go with a room view or to allow bigger rooms as I currently have... |
| 16:02.25 | Alpha_vst | u need doors |
| 16:02.33 | Alpha_vst | lol |
| 16:03.03 | ekcolnvkol | anyone here play SF4 :( |
| 16:03.08 | ekcolnvkol | on ps3 |
| 16:03.25 | Alpha_vst | sf4? |
| 16:03.29 | ekcolnvkol | <.< |
| 16:03.32 | Twiner | I want to make multi-level rooms |
| 16:03.34 | ekcolnvkol | street |
| 16:03.35 | ekcolnvkol | fighter |
| 16:03.36 | Helral | well I currently use "Hidden" doors until I get a door model done ;p |
| 16:03.36 | ekcolnvkol | four |
| 16:04.32 | Helral | "Hidden" doors are walls through which you can walk ;p but I do prevent LOS through them ;p |
| 16:05.32 | Alpha_vst | lol |
| 16:05.56 | ekcolnvkol | SUPER KAZIFREEJILLASTIC |
| 16:07.21 | Alpha_vst | should i fix my ui or work on my powerups for controlling points? |
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| 16:11.46 | Twiner | Helral: false walls |
| 16:12.11 | Helral | :D |
| 16:12.46 | Helral | my current implementation of secret doors ;p |
| 16:16.11 | Twiner | just make it so you can attack any wall |
| 16:16.29 | Twiner | and make it so that false walls have less life than real walls |
| 16:16.43 | Twiner | digging is integral to roguelike! |
| 16:17.25 | Helral | the walls aren't attackable atm. you can just walk through them ;p |
| 16:17.32 | Helral | the fake walls that is. |
| 16:17.41 | Helral | I don't want ppl to be able to select the walls. |
| 16:19.05 | Twiner | you can't select anything in my map |
| 16:19.12 | Twiner | you can set units to unselectable |
| 16:19.16 | Helral | you can select chests in mine ;p |
| 16:19.21 | Twiner | I want a way to do mouse overs |
| 16:19.23 | Helral | and enemy units |
| 16:19.38 | Helral | and the heroes themselves. |
| 16:19.39 | Twiner | I'm going to set up a system to set targets |
| 16:19.53 | Twiner | oh you don't need to select your hero in mine |
| 16:20.20 | Helral | I only said that you can select him ;p |
| 16:20.27 | Helral | you don't need to select him to move though ;p |
| 16:20.57 | Helral | but ability increases/lvl ups etc. will all be triggered through an ability the hero has. |
| 16:21.01 | Twiner | I really am concerned abotu click lag though |
| 16:21.17 | Twiner | on my computer even in single player, clicking to order a unit seems to make the game chop once |
| 16:21.50 | Helral | hmmm? not for me. |
| 16:22.00 | Twiner | maybe my settings are too high |
| 16:22.09 | Helral | got a long trigger? |
| 16:22.12 | Twiner | no |
| 16:22.15 | Twiner | its a simple order trigger |
| 16:22.40 | Helral | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:22.47 | Helral | that's the only action in my trigger atm ;p |
| 16:23.24 | Helral | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:24.01 | vjeux | sc2mapster is being slow, for you too? |
| 16:24.21 | revolu7ion | yes |
| 16:24.25 | Helral | yup |
| 16:24.28 | Twiner | <> - Player 1 Move 2 |
| 16:24.57 | Twiner | http://pastebin.com/HufK6puL |
| 16:25.10 | vjeux | ok we are investigating why |
| 16:25.26 | Twiner | I'm DDOSing it |
| 16:25.30 | Arthas-zzz | yup slow as hell |
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| 16:26.55 | ekcolnvkol | maybe everybody is spamming the dota page |
| 16:27.01 | vjeux | :) |
| 16:27.02 | depthsofchaos | hai |
| 16:27.07 | Twiner | you should get rid of the dota page |
| 16:27.11 | ekcolnvkol | q.q |
| 16:27.15 | Twiner | it will fix everything |
| 16:27.34 | Helral | hmmm @Twiner why do you trigger it on mouse down? |
| 16:27.55 | Twiner | it doesn't relaly make a different |
| 16:27.56 | depthsofchaos | does anyone know if you can build on terrain objects ?:o |
| 16:27.57 | Alpha_vst | what kind of powerup should i have hmmmm |
| 16:28.06 | Alpha_vst | they are terrain |
| 16:28.08 | Twiner | it only triggers once regardless |
| 16:28.20 | Alpha_vst | so unless you set no building |
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| 16:28.23 | Alpha_vst | i would assume so |
| 16:28.39 | depthsofchaos | well i need to know for sure,but i guess ill test |
| 16:28.45 | Nooblet | Hey guys my water looks a little bland does anyone know of some stuff to spicen it up to look a little better? |
| 16:29.00 | Helral | uhm... alcohol? |
| 16:29.03 | depthsofchaos | turn graphics to ultra |
| 16:29.13 | Nooblet | My graphics are at ultra |
| 16:29.19 | Nooblet | i meant more to what there already is |
| 16:29.22 | Helral | never played around with water. |
| 16:29.23 | depthsofchaos | then increasereflection etc |
| 16:29.30 | vjeux | cpu is running 100%, we are going to reboot the server |
| 16:29.39 | depthsofchaos | abandon ship! |
| 16:29.39 | ekcolnvkol | kay |
| 16:29.41 | ekcolnvkol | lol |
| 16:29.42 | Nooblet | lol |
| 16:29.47 | ekcolnvkol | i was just visiting |
| 16:29.51 | ekcolnvkol | noticed it was down |
| 16:29.52 | ekcolnvkol | :o |
| 16:30.15 | ekcolnvkol | vjeux are you running this off a home server |
| 16:30.16 | vjeux | http://sc2movie.com/ is up! Hurray :p |
| 16:30.21 | ekcolnvkol | o.o |
| 16:30.33 | vjeux | nah, sc2mapster is on a real server |
| 16:30.41 | ekcolnvkol | what provider? |
| 16:30.48 | vjeux | have no idea :p |
| 16:31.03 | ekcolnvkol | wat |
| 16:31.51 | vjeux | ok it's back online, should be slow while the cache is filling up |
| 16:32.39 | nicoli_s | vjeux:dont let people click the button if they havent entered anything :P |
| 16:32.55 | vjeux | where? |
| 16:33.01 | nicoli_s | at the top |
| 16:33.11 | nicoli_s | if you just click the button it says it cant handle that site |
| 16:33.16 | vjeux | oh |
| 16:33.19 | vjeux | will fix thanks |
| 16:33.37 | nicoli_s | np |
| 16:36.28 | vjeux | i've added a bunch of custom maps videos |
| 16:36.43 | vjeux | grr, haven't coded the latest video listing :p |
| 16:36.59 | nicoli_s | its looking good though |
| 16:37.03 | Alpha_vst | lol |
| 16:37.08 | nicoli_s | it does use a moderation queue right? |
| 16:37.18 | Alpha_vst | that would be lame |
| 16:37.19 | Alpha_vst | :P |
| 16:37.20 | vjeux | nah there's no moderation or anything |
| 16:37.32 | Alpha_vst | SWEET |
| 16:37.34 | nicoli_s | i would suggest at least a basic one |
| 16:37.35 | Alpha_vst | GOING TO ADD PORN |
| 16:37.39 | Alpha_vst | brb |
| 16:37.45 | nicoli_s | otherwise i might have to abuse it to force you to add one :P |
| 16:37.47 | vjeux | yeah need to do that too :P |
| 16:37.59 | vjeux | too much things to do when creating a new website from scratch |
| 16:38.25 | vjeux | 217 videos in there so far :) |
| 16:39.03 | nicoli_s | nice |
| 16:39.13 | Alpha_vst | lol |
| 16:39.18 | nicoli_s | do you use the youtube api? |
| 16:39.22 | vjeux | no |
| 16:39.28 | vjeux | didn't know there was one |
| 16:39.50 | nicoli_s | yep, using it for my current project |
| 16:39.53 | vjeux | i'm using a home made parser :p |
| 16:39.54 | nicoli_s | very easy to use |
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| 16:41.07 | Jcup | Hello world |
| 16:41.11 | vjeux | hey |
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| 16:44.51 | depthsofchaos | bah when i change terrain object cell settings i cant place them anymore -.- |
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| 16:47.12 | Alpha_vst | LOL |
| 16:50.02 | Alpha_vst | omg i figgured out why my mod was so huge the console ui texture is 1mb each and its like 3 parts |
| 16:50.50 | vjeux | xD |
| 16:51.46 | Helral | roflol |
| 16:52.30 | Alpha_vst | hoyl fuck nuts |
| 16:56.46 | Alpha_vst | you know the scary thing about my map is you can beat it in about 10 min if your good enough 0.o |
| 16:57.03 | Alpha_vst | but thats almost impossible for me |
| 16:57.53 | Arthas-zzz | RodOfNOD |
| 16:57.54 | Arthas-zzz | there? |
| 17:00.21 | Arthas-zzz | nvm :) |
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| 17:02.12 | Alpha_vst | lol |
| 17:07.53 | depthsofchaos | anyone got an idea on how to reproduce this kind route placement?:o http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Cz_SkFrovA |
| 17:08.00 | depthsofchaos | i got a way but its ugly |
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| 17:08.47 | deathnight114 | can i get some feedback on this? |
| 17:08.49 | deathnight114 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNQLw4MNLrU |
| 17:09.09 | deathnight114 | it's music i know, but i don't have really any other active irc channels right now |
| 17:09.58 | Nooblet | Can i send my map to someone and have them even some things out?? Just some terrain is un even with the other side and i would like it all 100% centered. |
| 17:10.24 | zrbecker | My maps are a cluster fuck of terrain. |
| 17:10.26 | depthsofchaos | some too high pitches for me :o |
| 17:10.28 | zrbecker | heh |
| 17:10.29 | depthsofchaos | death |
| 17:10.36 | deathnight114 | lol |
| 17:10.39 | depthsofchaos | but other then that its good in its style :p |
| 17:10.41 | deathnight114 | it's a remake of melody from heaven |
| 17:10.49 | deathnight114 | it's nearly perfect pitches |
| 17:11.00 | deathnight114 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ouBJTv_OqJA |
| 17:11.06 | deathnight114 | theres the original |
| 17:11.14 | deathnight114 | mines not done yet, i just want feedback on what i've god |
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| 17:12.22 | zrbecker | It sounds like something these kids listen to these days. that help? =) |
| 17:12.37 | deathnight114 | lol :P |
| 17:12.56 | deathnight114 | i'm one of "these kids" you speak of |
| 17:12.58 | deathnight114 | i'm only 14 |
| 17:13.00 | deathnight114 | LOL |
| 17:13.05 | Clord | video upload failed even though it went to 100% and said it was succesful |
| 17:13.06 | Clord | lol |
| 17:13.15 | deathnight114 | lol? |
| 17:13.29 | deathnight114 | didn't say video failed for m |
| 17:13.32 | deathnight114 | me* |
| 17:13.37 | RedWraith | hey guys |
| 17:13.41 | RedWraith | Clord, you can suck it. |
| 17:13.45 | RedWraith | ~seen tehwildcard |
| 17:13.47 | purl | tehwildcard <~Jer@pool-71-122-122-129.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #sc2mapster, 7d 9h 30m 30s ago, saying: 'http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0u5HwLR9Brc'. |
| 17:13.50 | depthsofchaos | so does anyone know a way to make a valley but still make it possible to go over it |
| 17:14.02 | depthsofchaos | and no not terrain objects |
| 17:14.04 | RedWraith | Make a bridge and get over it, depthsofchaos. |
| 17:14.06 | RedWraith | That's how. |
| 17:14.16 | depthsofchaos | i need my whole map covered with it |
| 17:14.18 | depthsofchaos | not gona work |
| 17:14.36 | depthsofchaos | id need 200 bridges |
| 17:14.48 | zrbecker | better get started then |
| 17:15.31 | RedWraith | Think of a better way to do your map |
| 17:15.38 | RedWraith | because we both know that's not gonna happen. |
| 17:15.41 | Clord | RedWraith lol.. in youtube stuff.. it means just trying upload again |
| 17:15.44 | Clord | but you can suck it if you want |
| 17:15.53 | depthsofchaos | im asking for help lol |
| 17:16.21 | Dustin | Sup my gangstas |
| 17:16.29 | RedWraith | Clord, I'm talking about my anti-walling solution. |
| 17:16.36 | RedWraith | Which I made. |
| 17:16.36 | depthsofchaos | i guess ill just delete terrain cells and use a doodad to simulate cliff :! |
| 17:16.46 | RedWraith | Haven't done remove yet. It promises to be a total bitch. |
| 17:17.05 | deathnight114 | lawl |
| 17:17.06 | deathnight114 | damn |
| 17:18.37 | RedWraith | I need to make a remove that works 'cumulatively' i.e. not re-checking the same thing multiple times. |
| 17:20.36 | Repo | New map: http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/wallpaper-contest-entry-battle-s/. Wallpaper Contest Entry - Battle for the Shrine . 38dedo (Manager/Author). Approved by vjeux. |
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| 17:21.00 | depthsofchaos | anyone knows how to change skybox? |
| 17:21.15 | Clord | RedWraith... my sincere apologies then XD |
| 17:21.19 | Clord | lol |
| 17:21.26 | RedWraith | Yup. |
| 17:21.27 | RedWraith | My solution |
| 17:21.30 | RedWraith | kicks your solution's |
| 17:21.31 | RedWraith | ass |
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| 17:22.00 | Clord | errrm |
| 17:22.02 | RedWraith | It can pre-empt without any problems, being literally instantaneous. |
| 17:22.16 | *** join/#sc2mapster gwho (45ed4f93@gateway/web/freenode/ip.69.237.79.147) |
| 17:22.26 | gwho | i have a question in viewing triggers |
| 17:22.30 | Clord | still your reply didn't make really sense of what I said :) |
| 17:22.32 | RedWraith | Yes, gwho? |
| 17:22.36 | gwho | the very bottom right area, |
| 17:22.40 | gwho | seems to be in a differnet mode |
| 17:22.50 | RedWraith | what? |
| 17:22.51 | Alpha_vst | differnt mode? |
| 17:22.52 | gwho | theres no grammar, it's like, commas, separating variables |
| 17:22.55 | RedWraith | oh |
| 17:23.03 | RedWraith | O_o |
| 17:23.08 | gwho | like for timerwindowcreate |
| 17:23.08 | Helral | hit ctrl+d ;p |
| 17:23.21 | depthsofchaos | skybox, anyone ?:/ |
| 17:23.26 | gwho | it doesnt say "initially visible" |
| 17:23.35 | gwho | it just says ", false" |
| 17:23.40 | gwho | tyt |
| 17:23.41 | gwho | y |
| 17:23.48 | Helral | you were in raw data mode |
| 17:23.52 | gwho | oic |
| 17:23.58 | gwho | i learnsed =] |
| 17:24.00 | RedWraith | raw data mode is badass mode |
| 17:24.04 | gwho | haha |
| 17:24.13 | gwho | that was driving me insane |
| 17:24.14 | RedWraith | Even I'm too scared to use it. |
| 17:24.25 | gwho | i was like "my triggers don't look like onetwoSC's triggers!" |
| 17:24.36 | gwho | "Wtf, blizzard sucks" lol |
| 17:24.39 | Alpha_vst | lol |
| 17:25.25 | RedWraith | onetwoSC? |
| 17:25.30 | RedWraith | I thought he was just onetwo |
| 17:25.31 | RedWraith | lol |
| 17:25.40 | gwho | his youtube channel is onetwoSC |
| 17:25.43 | RedWraith | oh |
| 17:25.49 | RedWraith | yeah, we pretty much all have to do that |
| 17:25.50 | RedWraith | it's lame |
| 17:25.51 | RedWraith | :( |
| 17:26.03 | Helral | I didn't ;p |
| 17:26.37 | RedWraith | Well, Helral, we picked cooler names than you did. |
| 17:26.46 | Helral | roflol |
| 17:26.47 | RedWraith | Obviously, RedWraith is a super popular name. |
| 17:26.53 | RedWraith | Because what's cooler than a red wraith? |
| 17:26.56 | RedWraith | Answer: Nothing |
| 17:27.04 | Helral | at least my name is unique. |
| 17:27.13 | RedWraith | Yeah, enjoy your uniqueness. |
| 17:27.26 | RedWraith | I'll enjoy my awesomeness. |
| 17:27.34 | Alpha_vst | helral you just need ort 0.o |
| 17:27.39 | zrbecker | Isuckadonkeyssweatynuts is probably unique too. |
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| 17:28.24 | zrbecker | uniqueness, not always a good thing |
| 17:30.09 | Helral | damn ... is there any way to detect if a unit is shown on the minimap? |
| 17:32.24 | Twiner | you could probably do something with checking revealers? |
| 17:32.25 | gwho | for Bound, they should make zerglins look like yoshies |
| 17:32.49 | gwho | green yellow blue red yohi s |
| 17:32.52 | gwho | yoshis |
| 17:33.05 | gwho | they hatch out of eggs |
| 17:33.10 | gwho | and then mario comes (fat ass marauder) |
| 17:33.15 | gwho | and tries to ride them |
| 17:33.24 | gwho | *pool of blood* |
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| 17:37.00 | gwho | onetwoSC can put spaces in his names when naming variables and i cant |
| 17:38.12 | RedWraith | gwho, that's because he's cool |
| 17:38.26 | gwho | lol |
| 17:38.30 | gwho | no biggie |
| 17:38.37 | gwho | kinda more convenient by disallowing |
| 17:38.55 | gwho | u all have version .18 of the editor? |
| 17:39.15 | gwho | 0.18.0 (15655) |
| 17:39.44 | RedWraith | I have version 1.0.0 |
| 17:39.46 | RedWraith | ;) |
| 17:40.06 | RedWraith | I stole it when I snuck into Blizzard headquarters last month. |
| 17:40.39 | RedWraith | Whoever owns all of those containers of tuna salad really needs to put his name on it. |
| 17:40.47 | Krakarn | hungary |
| 17:40.49 | Krakarn | hungry |
| 17:41.35 | RedWraith | HIPPOS |
| 17:41.45 | RedWraith | Sorry. |
| 17:42.51 | gwho | wow, |
| 17:43.03 | gwho | the left side of my trigger editor is in raw data mode |
| 17:43.08 | gwho | when my right side is not |
| 17:43.14 | gwho | i cna't have it ALL just one way |
| 17:43.56 | gwho | if my right side is in nooby view, the left side all turns into "untitled" |
| 17:46.09 | RedWraith | http://www.sc2mapster.com/assets/m3-export-plugin-3ds-max/ |
| 17:46.12 | RedWraith | This makes me happy. |
| 17:46.21 | RedWraith | But at the same point, worried about maximum map size. |
| 17:48.12 | AsaPhelps | anyone know of a tutorial with hero spells have levels, I know there's one with stim pack but I can't find it |
| 17:51.41 | Twiner | I'm so fucking bored |
| 17:51.44 | Twiner | i should just work on my map |
| 17:51.53 | Jcup | Im on the bored boat too |
| 17:51.54 | Jcup | :P |
| 17:52.10 | Jcup | and I dont have the urge to work on my map |
| 17:52.33 | Twiner | I haven't for a while |
| 17:52.46 | Twiner | since my first attemped at a random dungeon generator failed |
| 17:53.02 | Helral | gl Twiner ;p |
| 17:53.22 | Helral | I'm currently using a buff to detect if a wall has been seen or not. |
| 17:53.32 | Twiner | seen? |
| 17:53.35 | Helral | gonna put up an exploration counter on the screen ;p |
| 17:53.37 | Twiner | you mean in generation? |
| 17:53.43 | Helral | no afterwards. |
| 17:53.46 | Helral | when they explore ;p |
| 17:53.49 | Twiner | ah okay |
| 17:53.54 | Twiner | is LOS simple? |
| 17:54.09 | Twiner | I want to have roguelike LOS |
| 17:54.15 | Helral | roguelike LOS? |
| 17:54.16 | Twiner | so if you enter a lit room you can see the whole room |
| 17:54.24 | Twiner | but in a dark room you can only see in your light radius |
| 17:54.27 | Helral | ahhh. like in CoW? |
| 17:54.32 | Twiner | I donno what CoW is |
| 17:54.37 | Helral | Castle of the Winds. |
| 17:54.37 | Twiner | Castle of the Winds? |
| 17:54.40 | Twiner | ah ok |
| 17:54.41 | Helral | ;p |
| 17:54.45 | Twiner | yeah, it should be the same |
| 17:54.49 | Helral | :D |
| 17:54.50 | Twiner | but its been a long time since I've played it |
| 17:55.07 | Helral | you can do that simply with revealers and decreasing unit sight radius. |
| 17:55.27 | Helral | just set the unit sight radius lower, and when he enters a room he doesn't automatically see all walls. |
| 17:55.38 | Helral | if the room is lit then you trigger a revealer for that room. |
| 17:55.54 | Helral | (don't know how to set that up in a random generator ;p |
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| 17:57.56 | Alpha_vst | sigh |
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| 17:58.17 | Twiner | Helral: easy enough |
| 17:58.47 | Alpha_vst | how do you get the terrain window back |
| 17:58.49 | Alpha_vst | ? |
| 17:58.51 | Alpha_vst | lol |
| 17:58.52 | Twiner | T |
| 17:58.55 | Twiner | no |
| 17:59.00 | Twiner | F something |
| 17:59.03 | Twiner | I think its F5 |
| 17:59.08 | Alpha_vst | oh got it lol |
| 17:59.27 | Twiner | I was right! |
| 18:00.31 | Twiner | ALEM@! |
| 18:01.56 | Twiner | the map Base Height has to do with Cliff height right? |
| 18:02.40 | Twiner | Are game attributes stuff that show up in the game lobby? |
| 18:04.46 | gwho | anyone know how to make it all homogeneous? |
| 18:04.53 | gwho | man, i can only have half of my window non-raw view data at one time. i have to keep switching back and forth |
| 18:05.05 | Alpha_vst | lol |
| 18:05.07 | Alpha_vst | what |
| 18:05.18 | Alpha_vst | restart 0.o |
| 18:05.21 | gwho | if u press ctrl D |
| 18:05.28 | gwho | does the left side in th etrigger window |
| 18:05.32 | gwho | all turn into "untitled" |
| 18:05.32 | gwho | ? |
| 18:05.33 | Alpha_vst | no |
| 18:05.36 | Twiner | wait |
| 18:05.47 | Twiner | can clifs only go 2 levels up |
| 18:05.49 | Twiner | or way down? |
| 18:05.50 | Alpha_vst | you should restart and see if it fixes it |
| 18:06.29 | Repo | New map: http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/bioship/. Bioship. Slims20 (Manager/Author). Approved by vjeux. |
| 18:06.36 | zrbecker | gwho you probably don't have based on name clicked for you variables |
| 18:06.42 | vjeux | omg 823 maps on mapster |
| 18:06.53 | vjeux | we are going to hit the 1000 maps soon! |
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| 18:06.57 | Jum-Jum | thats too many vjeux |
| 18:06.58 | gwho | even my triggers turn into "untitled" |
| 18:06.59 | Jum-Jum | delete them! |
| 18:07.02 | vjeux | :p |
| 18:07.10 | vjeux | rm -Rf / |
| 18:07.13 | vjeux | oops |
| 18:07.20 | zrbecker | one sec let me look at my editor. opening |
| 18:07.36 | Twiner | is my map screwed up or are there only 4 cliff heights |
| 18:07.53 | zrbecker | I need donuts, but they are all the way across the street. >< |
| 18:08.16 | zrbecker | Someone come to Irvine and get me donuts |
| 18:09.04 | vjeux | zrbecker: i'm coming! :P |
| 18:09.14 | vjeux | (if you buy me the flight tickets :P) |
| 18:09.28 | zrbecker | gwho click on the trigger, then click on the trigger name in the right pane. See if based on name is clicked. |
| 18:09.30 | zrbecker | lol |
| 18:09.34 | Alpha_vst | where do i find Utilities drop down menu in 3dmax? |
| 18:09.38 | Alpha_vst | 0.o lol |
| 18:09.45 | zrbecker | Did you click on the hammer? |
| 18:09.45 | gwho | ty |
| 18:09.52 | gwho | i have to rename it after that |
| 18:09.58 | gwho | i just had to rename it after i did that |
| 18:09.59 | gwho | * |
| 18:10.01 | Alpha_vst | what hammer |
| 18:10.05 | zrbecker | yeah i had that happen to me. I had to rename too |
| 18:10.14 | zrbecker | Alpha_vst: It should be all the way to the right |
| 18:10.23 | zrbecker | one sec ill open 3ds max heh |
| 18:10.32 | Alpha_vst | oh |
| 18:10.38 | Alpha_vst | found it |
| 18:10.46 | zrbecker | then click on max script |
| 18:10.55 | zrbecker | then a utilities drop down should be there |
| 18:11.07 | gwho | wheres max script? |
| 18:11.41 | zrbecker | gwho: your talking about 3dsmax or your Untitled thing still? |
| 18:11.54 | gwho | i dont even knwo what 3dmax is |
| 18:12.07 | gwho | but i was in the middle of renaming, and ten it all got unchecked again, magically |
| 18:12.30 | zrbecker | heh yeah, i was talking to Alpha. You have to do the renaming. When you create varaibles in raw mode it fucks things up. |
| 18:12.40 | zrbecker | I did the same thing |
| 18:13.34 | RedWraith | I wonder how much it costs to legally purchase 3DSMAX |
| 18:13.52 | MotiveMe | Arm, leg, first born child. |
| 18:13.59 | MotiveMe | And a few hundred bucks. |
| 18:14.15 | gwho | ooooo ok, so don't creat things WHILE ur in raw data mode |
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| 18:14.17 | gwho | TY so much zr |
| 18:14.20 | RedWraith | hoshit |
| 18:14.24 | RedWraith | thousands of dollars |
| 18:14.25 | gwho | i just need to recreate everything |
| 18:14.25 | zrbecker | $3495 |
| 18:14.39 | Alpha_vst | ok new question |
| 18:15.08 | RedWraith | Well, good thing all of my models are property of Blizzard once I put them in a map. |
| 18:15.11 | Alpha_vst | where can i find a tutorial on how to use this stupid thing |
| 18:15.12 | RedWraith | Means I can't be sued. |
| 18:15.20 | Alpha_vst | WOOT |
| 18:15.24 | Clord | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTAj0vHzFoU |
| 18:15.28 | zrbecker | Alpha_vst: Barnes and Noble |
| 18:15.33 | MotiveMe | Lol |
| 18:15.43 | MotiveMe | How do people expect us to buy 3dsmax legally when it costs that much? |
| 18:15.46 | Alpha_vst | i cant even figgure out how to edit soemthing |
| 18:15.48 | Alpha_vst | :( |
| 18:15.50 | vjeux | Clord: wtf the quality :x |
| 18:15.56 | RedWraith | That looks |
| 18:15.56 | MotiveMe | There should be a student version for $50 with the only restriction being you can't use it in commercial applications. |
| 18:15.58 | RedWraith | absolutely terrible |
| 18:16.20 | RedWraith | MotiveMe, what are they going to do to you if you pirate it and don't use it commercially? lol |
| 18:16.34 | MotiveMe | If it makes its way into commercial software? |
| 18:16.39 | MotiveMe | Sue the company making the software for big bucks. |
| 18:16.45 | RedWraith | lol |
| 18:16.55 | RedWraith | inb4 3ds max sues Blizzard |
| 18:16.57 | MotiveMe | If not, they prolly won't care |
| 18:17.02 | MotiveMe | They can't sue Blizzard for it |
| 18:17.06 | MotiveMe | Blizzard didn't pirate it. |
| 18:17.14 | RedWraith | Blizzard is the one selling the product, though. |
| 18:17.23 | MotiveMe | Blizzard only sells SC2, which was made legally. |
| 18:17.26 | MotiveMe | YOU made the map illegally. :P |
| 18:17.27 | RedWraith | Marketplace. |
| 18:17.41 | MotiveMe | You surrender all content rights to Blizzard, but you still made the map. |
| 18:17.45 | RedWraith | It's Blizzard's map, hosted on Blizzard's service/ |
| 18:17.46 | MotiveMe | You can't have some 3rd party responsible for your actions. :P |
| 18:17.54 | MotiveMe | You still were the one to commit the crime. |
| 18:18.04 | vjeux | blizz is going to sue you .p |
| 18:18.05 | RedWraith | I can't be held responsible for selling something I'm not selling, though. |
| 18:18.08 | MotiveMe | That's not how the law works. |
| 18:18.42 | Alpha_vst | i got this now |
| 18:18.44 | Alpha_vst | sorta |
| 18:18.56 | MotiveMe | In all likelihood, nobody would sue anyone, but if they did, they'd only have a case against you for the piracy, and maybe Blizzard for their part of the money that they made from the map. But I doubt it'd ever make it to court because Blizzard would just take it down and give them the $0.99 * 100 people that downloaded it. |
| 18:18.56 | RedWraith | Moreover, they have no way of proving whether or not I pirated the software or got the models from other people. :P |
| 18:20.02 | MotiveMe | They could just monitor the torrent for 3dsmax and gather a list of all the seeders/peers. |
| 18:20.12 | MotiveMe | Then subpoena the ISPs for their names, and compare it to the list of legal owners. |
| 18:20.13 | MotiveMe | :P |
| 18:20.36 | RedWraith | And that's why I don't acquire things via torrent at my own address. :) |
| 18:20.53 | MotiveMe | Basically, anything you do is eventually traceable to you. |
| 18:20.57 | MotiveMe | It jsut requires varying amounts of effort. |
| 18:21.05 | zrbecker | And by that time the company has spend millions of dollars trying to find out if you pirated their thousand dollar software. |
| 18:21.07 | RedWraith | Yes, but legality gets in their way horribly. |
| 18:21.14 | MotiveMe | Not really |
| 18:21.20 | MotiveMe | whether you like it or not, they're on the right side of the law. |
| 18:21.28 | MotiveMe | Piracy is illegal, whether everyone does it or not. |
| 18:21.31 | MotiveMe | It is still stealing. |
| 18:21.41 | RedWraith | MotiveMe, it's actually copyright infringement. |
| 18:21.44 | RedWraith | Not stealing. |
| 18:21.47 | RedWraith | Huge difference. |
| 18:21.49 | MotiveMe | You get software you didn't pay for. |
| 18:21.54 | MotiveMe | That's theft. :P |
| 18:22.03 | RedWraith | No, theft is about someone else losing that thing. |
| 18:22.05 | RedWraith | Not you gaining it. |
| 18:22.11 | zrbecker | "Piracy" is illegal and still probably wrong. Philosophically I don't consider it stealing. |
| 18:22.15 | RedWraith | You make a copy of it without their permission. |
| 18:22.19 | RedWraith | That's copyright infringement. |
| 18:22.23 | MotiveMe | If I have a box that says 3dsmax in a store |
| 18:22.27 | MotiveMe | and you run away without paying for it, that's theft |
| 18:22.34 | MotiveMe | you're doing the same thing here, except online. |
| 18:22.45 | MotiveMe | The only difference is there's no box or DVD. |
| 18:22.48 | RedWraith | If you have a box in the store, I take out the CD, burn a copy and put it back... |
| 18:22.50 | RedWraith | :P |
| 18:22.52 | MotiveMe | And I doubt the box and DVD is worth $3000 |
| 18:22.57 | MotiveMe | It's still theft. |
| 18:23.04 | RedWraith | The point is, that's copyright infringment, not theft. |
| 18:23.13 | RedWraith | Theft is about the physical loss of an item which holds value. |
| 18:23.30 | RedWraith | Copyright infringement is an intellectual property rights violation. |
| 18:23.46 | RedWraith | You're undermining the value of real theft by calling pirating theft. :p |
| 18:23.59 | Alpha_vst | you cant import things with more than one object :( |
| 18:24.00 | zrbecker | Someones been reading GNU articles |
| 18:24.08 | MotiveMe | If it's not legally theft, imo, it's still theft in the same moral sense. |
| 18:24.27 | RedWraith | Well, that's all about your true scotsman, sir. |
| 18:24.54 | zrbecker | Id say its more likey the opposite. Theft legally and not morally. If you take a philosophical standpoint you have to well define what you mean by theft. |
| 18:24.58 | Krakarn | who the fuck cares about piracy, i dont have enough money to get through the day i dont care about these corporations and their losses |
| 18:25.04 | zrbecker | If theft is the physical los sof something, it is not theft. |
| 18:25.06 | RedWraith | They sell licenses, not software. |
| 18:25.08 | MotiveMe | If you're accomplishing the same thing as robbing the store, imo, it's the same theft. |
| 18:25.17 | RedWraith | Their goal is to make money off of people who want to sell. |
| 18:25.21 | RedWraith | Not people who want to make models. |
| 18:25.25 | RedWraith | Hence why it costs 3.5k |
| 18:25.40 | MotiveMe | 3ds is marketed at big companies like Blizzard |
| 18:25.44 | MotiveMe | that can afford 3.5k for their teams |
| 18:25.54 | RedWraith | Exactly. |
| 18:26.02 | RedWraith | They don't want to get in Blizzard's way. |
| 18:26.18 | RedWraith | And if they sue people for making models for Blizzard, Blizzard will get pissed and cancel their contract. |
| 18:26.32 | RedWraith | So, no one will sue anyone. :P |
| 18:26.48 | vjeux | that deosn't mean you can freely steal things |
| 18:26.54 | MotiveMe | That doesn't make any sense at all, RedWraith. |
| 18:26.59 | MotiveMe | Blizzard can keep making models |
| 18:27.03 | MotiveMe | because they get all the models they need from their own team |
| 18:27.05 | MotiveMe | not map-makers. |
| 18:27.16 | MotiveMe | 3dsmax can sue to their heart's content at anyone that infringes their IP rights. |
| 18:27.30 | RedWraith | They could, but I don't think they do. :P |
| 18:27.37 | Repo | New map: http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/monsoon/. Monsoon. Twinmold20 (Manager/Author). Approved by vjeux. |
| 18:27.38 | MotiveMe | They don't, because it's mostly a waste of time. |
| 18:27.41 | MotiveMe | But that doesn't mean it's not a crime. |
| 18:27.48 | depthsofchaos | yay i made my custom skybox :o |
| 18:27.49 | RedWraith | It is a crime. |
| 18:27.56 | RedWraith | It's just not theft. :P |
| 18:28.02 | MotiveMe | It's the same thing as theft. |
| 18:28.11 | MotiveMe | Maybe not legally, but it fits the basic definition. |
| 18:28.25 | RedWraith | We have clearly defined the differences. You just want to call it theft and there's no way I'll ever change your mind. |
| 18:28.32 | RedWraith | So why are we talking about this? |
| 18:28.34 | MotiveMe | Get rid of the whole legal institution for a moment and just think about what exactly you're doing: taking something without paying. That's theft. |
| 18:28.58 | zrbecker | So taking something for free is theft? |
| 18:29.04 | RedWraith | You're simplifying it to theft, which is my problem. |
| 18:29.05 | RedWraith | :P |
| 18:29.06 | MotiveMe | Unless it's free itself, yes. |
| 18:29.13 | RedWraith | You're using words like taking instead of copying. |
| 18:29.16 | zrbecker | Sorry lol i like tearing apart peoples definitions. |
| 18:29.22 | MotiveMe | It's fine, so do I :D |
| 18:29.26 | MotiveMe | taking == copying |
| 18:29.27 | MotiveMe | in the online sense. |
| 18:29.44 | RedWraith | Online, theft doesn't make sense. |
| 18:29.46 | RedWraith | as a word |
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| 18:30.02 | RedWraith | Because you can copy things instantly |
| 18:30.02 | vjeux | anyway RedWraith using non official verison of 3ds is not something allowed |
| 18:30.03 | MotiveMe | You're obtaining a copy of something that you have no right to obtain. |
| 18:30.08 | RedWraith | Agreed, vjeux. |
| 18:30.12 | RedWraith | I don't do that. |
| 18:30.25 | depthsofchaos | i do |
| 18:30.25 | vjeux | so, calling it theft, crime ... it doesn't matter |
| 18:30.28 | RedWraith | And I will never post a map to sc2mapster.com that does. |
| 18:30.34 | depthsofchaos | i will |
| 18:30.39 | Krakarn | take from the rich and give to the poor :) |
| 18:30.44 | MotiveMe | eugh. |
| 18:30.49 | MotiveMe | It's not even a victimless crime. :P |
| 18:31.10 | ekcolnvkol | what are we talking about |
| 18:31.12 | ekcolnvkol | i want to know |
| 18:31.19 | MotiveMe | Intellectual Property laws |
| 18:31.22 | MotiveMe | ie. piracy |
| 18:31.23 | RedWraith | MotiveMe, that's true. I have no right to obtain it, but they're not losing product. They're losing me as a potential customer. I'm stealing their hard work, if I'm stealling anything. |
| 18:31.24 | ekcolnvkol | on what |
| 18:31.26 | depthsofchaos | real thievery causes harm to the owner using a copy of something you wouldnt buy otherwise isnt doing that |
| 18:31.27 | ekcolnvkol | just in general? |
| 18:31.29 | Krakarn | i dont know, im just throwing these random sentences out when i feel like it |
| 18:31.36 | MotiveMe | It does cause harm to the owner. |
| 18:31.43 | depthsofchaos | in what way |
| 18:31.43 | MotiveMe | 3dsmax loses out on potentially $3500 |
| 18:31.47 | depthsofchaos | no |
| 18:31.48 | ekcolnvkol | 4 PIRATES SEARCH FOR ONE PIECE |
| 18:31.50 | depthsofchaos | i wouldnt buy it |
| 18:31.52 | depthsofchaos | otherwise |
| 18:32.03 | RedWraith | The thing is, if I could never afford their product, and I don't share it with anyone, are they losing money in the process? |
| 18:32.03 | MotiveMe | No but there are people that would. |
| 18:32.05 | ekcolnvkol | 4 I WANT TO EAT GUM GUM FRUIT :O |
| 18:32.10 | depthsofchaos | if im not a potential buyer they dont loose it |
| 18:32.17 | MotiveMe | Yes, they are, RedWraith. |
| 18:32.23 | RedWraith | How? |
| 18:32.40 | MotiveMe | Because if you can now model for people, why should anyone else buy 3dsmax legally when they can simply steal it and pocket $3500? |
| 18:32.49 | vjeux | omg photoshop costs 1k euros :x |
| 18:32.52 | RedWraith | If anything, I'm helping them by spreading word of their product and its value, and there's no way I could ever buy it. :P |
| 18:33.01 | MotiveMe | I doubt many people here with jobs and $3500 would actually spend the $3500 just to feel good about themselves. |
| 18:33.01 | RedWraith | But what if I don't model for people, don't talk about pirating it? |
| 18:33.05 | RedWraith | only for myself |
| 18:33.08 | C-H | keep in mind gum gum fruit didnt make him strong |
| 18:33.10 | ekcolnvkol | piracy is responsible for 100% of BAD ARTIST PUBLICATIONS |
| 18:33.20 | RedWraith | MotiveMe, you do it so you can legally sell models. :P |
| 18:33.47 | ekcolnvkol | YOU WANTED US TO BE DECENT MEN, IN AN INDECENT TIME |
| 18:33.49 | ekcolnvkol | :o |
| 18:33.51 | Krakarn | if you want to make something professional with any program, and sell it, you HAVE To buy it, since you have to have a license to use the program. otherwise its illegal. but imo if u just want to play around withit or make free stuff, then by all means use it for free |
| 18:33.51 | MotiveMe | It all goes back to sustainability though. If you didn't have 3dsmax you might pay say, $20 to some guy who does, for him to model for you. |
| 18:33.59 | MotiveMe | And that $20 would help him, say, finance that purchase. |
| 18:34.00 | ekcolnvkol | i think that summarizes the problem |
| 18:34.08 | RedWraith | But MotiveMe, you're forgetting something. |
| 18:34.11 | RedWraith | I would never do that. |
| 18:34.17 | MotiveMe | That doesn't make it right though. xD |
| 18:34.26 | ekcolnvkol | it doesn't matter if it's right :o |
| 18:34.31 | RedWraith | My use of products like 3ds max is for my own personal use and for publishing on my own maps only. |
| 18:34.32 | ekcolnvkol | all that matters is if you get arrested |
| 18:34.33 | ekcolnvkol | :> |
| 18:34.41 | RedWraith | There is no harm done, only good. |
| 18:34.49 | MotiveMe | There is harm done. |
| 18:34.53 | RedWraith | How? |
| 18:34.55 | MotiveMe | If there were no other way for you to get 3dsmax, at all |
| 18:34.57 | ekcolnvkol | NONE OF THIS MATTERS |
| 18:34.59 | ekcolnvkol | :( |
| 18:35.01 | RedWraith | There are none. |
| 18:35.02 | MotiveMe | you would probably pay $20 for a kickass model. I would. |
| 18:35.06 | RedWraith | No, I wouldn't. |
| 18:35.18 | MotiveMe | Then you'd have no models. |
| 18:35.25 | MotiveMe | Which would make your map less appealing to an audience. |
| 18:35.26 | RedWraith | I'd have Blizzard ones. |
| 18:35.30 | RedWraith | That's fine. |
| 18:35.36 | MotiveMe | Then why pirate 3dsmax at all? |
| 18:35.38 | MotiveMe | If that's fine. |
| 18:35.38 | MotiveMe | :P |
| 18:35.52 | depthsofchaos | cause stealing is in my blood |
| 18:35.55 | RedWraith | Because I'd prefer it be better, but don't like commisioning artists as a matter of principle? |
| 18:35.57 | ekcolnvkol | i pirate food |
| 18:35.58 | ekcolnvkol | o.o |
| 18:36.05 | MotiveMe | "as a matter of principle" |
| 18:36.07 | ekcolnvkol | buy i'm just testing it out |
| 18:36.09 | depthsofchaos | i pirate little babies |
| 18:36.09 | ekcolnvkol | i'll buy it later |
| 18:36.09 | MotiveMe | so you won't pay a man to work, out of principle |
| 18:36.11 | ekcolnvkol | if it's good |
| 18:36.13 | MotiveMe | but you'll steal other's work? |
| 18:36.18 | RedWraith | Yes. |
| 18:36.20 | MotiveMe | That makes no sense. |
| 18:36.59 | RedWraith | I wont commision an artist for the sake of the map being slightly better, but I will do the work myself if I don't have to pay anyone for it. |
| 18:37.01 | RedWraith | Make sense? :P |
| 18:37.09 | ekcolnvkol | imo, if it REALLY made that much of an impact, there would be MUCH stricter policies on tracking who has what |
| 18:37.22 | ekcolnvkol | like |
| 18:37.23 | ekcolnvkol | execution |
| 18:37.24 | ekcolnvkol | :o |
| 18:37.25 | Krakarn | i would pirate sc2 if i could, but they have disabled lan |
| 18:37.32 | MotiveMe | But you shouldn't be able to do the work w/o paying the software developers. |
| 18:37.45 | RedWraith | I would never pirate Starcraft 2. It's worth the price I pay for it and I value it as a product. |
| 18:37.51 | ekcolnvkol | i would :> |
| 18:37.53 | RedWraith | MotiveMe, who care about should? :P |
| 18:38.02 | vjeux | RedWraith: want to buy me a copy? :P |
| 18:38.04 | Alpha_vst | I JSUT GOT AN AMAZING IDEA!!!!!!! |
| 18:38.07 | RedWraith | It's their fault for making it cost 3500 dollars. |
| 18:38.09 | MotiveMe | If nobody bought 3dsmax at all, there wouldn't be a 3dsmax. |
| 18:38.18 | Krakarn | yes but ur giving money to fucking blizzard, they have enough money as it is |
| 18:38.21 | RedWraith | Then someone would make a chaper equivalent. |
| 18:38.22 | MotiveMe | In any case, we do agree on that. |
| 18:38.24 | RedWraith | cheaper* |
| 18:38.26 | MotiveMe | $3500 is a bad price. |
| 18:38.32 | MotiveMe | They should have it be $3500 for commercial use and say |
| 18:38.36 | MotiveMe | $50 for student personal use only. |
| 18:38.45 | MotiveMe | If I were a modeller, I would buy it for $50. |
| 18:38.54 | MotiveMe | It's a reasonable price for that kind of advanced software. |
| 18:38.55 | RedWraith | It's a problem, though, MotiveMe. |
| 18:38.56 | MotiveMe | Even $100 would be. |
| 18:38.59 | gwho | if u were a model i'd do u for 50 |
| 18:39.05 | gwho | jp |
| 18:39.13 | RedWraith | Because I could turn around |
| 18:39.15 | RedWraith | and sell it |
| 18:39.20 | RedWraith | I'd buy it |
| 18:39.23 | RedWraith | if it cost 50$ |
| 18:39.27 | RedWraith | Definitely. |
| 18:39.27 | MotiveMe | "personal use only" |
| 18:39.32 | MotiveMe | So you could use it for your own map |
| 18:39.35 | MotiveMe | as long as you didn't sell the map. |
| 18:39.41 | MotiveMe | I think everyone wins in that case. |
| 18:39.41 | RedWraith | That's actually for Blizzard product. :P |
| 18:39.55 | RedWraith | Since that contributes to the value of Starcraft 2. |
| 18:39.56 | Krakarn | the map doesnt cost money :) |
| 18:40.00 | MotiveMe | No it doesn't. |
| 18:40.02 | MotiveMe | The map is free. |
| 18:40.03 | Helral | http://students.autodesk.com/ <-- 3ds Max student stuff |
| 18:40.06 | RedWraith | MotiveMe, question. |
| 18:40.07 | MotiveMe | It qualifies as user-made stuff. |
| 18:40.13 | RedWraith | Why do people still buy Warcraft 3? |
| 18:40.21 | depthsofchaos | as if programmers dont get paid well and they need our money :o |
| 18:40.21 | RedWraith | DotA. :P |
| 18:40.22 | MotiveMe | Because it's a fun game. |
| 18:40.32 | RedWraith | There are people |
| 18:40.33 | RedWraith | who buy it |
| 18:40.34 | Alpha_vst | if i cant remove the ui i will just ah ha |
| 18:40.35 | RedWraith | for DotA |
| 18:40.36 | MotiveMe | Yes |
| 18:40.37 | RedWraith | specifically |
| 18:40.37 | RedWraith | though? |
| 18:40.39 | RedWraith | Exactly., |
| 18:40.42 | MotiveMe | they're dumbasses imo. xD |
| 18:40.49 | RedWraith | Contributing to Blizzard product. |
| 18:41.01 | MotiveMe | It probably wouldn't stand up in court though. |
| 18:41.03 | monop | MotiveMe: any idea on whats causing the unable to load map error? |
| 18:41.09 | MotiveMe | Blizzard isn't involved in the theft of the models, etc. |
| 18:41.15 | MotiveMe | And they'd comply with any DMCA takedown requests I'm sure. |
| 18:41.26 | RedWraith | Anyway, my first 'paid' maps wont have 3ds max. If I make enough to afford it, I'll buy it to use on the 'paid' maps. |
| 18:41.26 | MotiveMe | It'd probably fall under the same laws that govern forum postings. |
| 18:41.31 | MotiveMe | The admin isn't responsible for anything his users post. |
| 18:41.37 | Alpha_vst | IT WORKS |
| 18:41.39 | MotiveMe | He's only responsible for removing content as requested by law. |
| 18:41.41 | Alpha_vst | IT WORKS :D |
| 18:41.52 | Krakarn | besides this stealing thingy discussion, i wonder why blizzard is banning all starcraft-related mods |
| 18:42.01 | Krakarn | because it really just promotes the game |
| 18:42.04 | RedWraith | Krakarn, what? |
| 18:42.22 | Krakarn | i mean someone did a wc3 mod for starcraft, and it was banned for some reason |
| 18:42.26 | Jcup | Vjeux! can u approve my mappy thingy? |
| 18:42.37 | RedWraith | Never heard of that. |
| 18:42.38 | Jcup | please |
| 18:42.46 | MotiveMe | It infringes on Blizzard's IP, so it's up to them to let it fly or not anyways. |
| 18:42.54 | Krakarn | and anything with 'craft' in it is bound to be sued :P |
| 18:43.03 | MotiveMe | There's no way we can check in-game whether they own WC3 while distrubiting a WC3 mod. |
| 18:43.08 | Krakarn | they are really touchy on that one |
| 18:43.20 | Krakarn | well it wasnt even wc3 |
| 18:43.41 | Krakarn | it was wc2 graphics inside the starcraft game, with another demon race added. it came before wc3 was out |
| 18:43.49 | MotiveMe | Ah |
| 18:44.00 | MotiveMe | /shrug |
| 18:44.08 | MotiveMe | Maybe WC2 was still popular then? |
| 18:44.09 | MotiveMe | I don't know. |
| 18:44.26 | Repo | New map: http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/zombie-island/. Zombie Island. zombiemedic (Manager/Author). Experimental. Approved by vjeux. |
| 18:44.30 | Repo | New map: http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/twisted-meadows/. Twisted Meadows. justnick343 (Manager/Author). Experimental. Approved by vjeux. |
| 18:44.46 | RedWraith | I'm going to make a really simple remove for the anti-walling problem, but I fear it has too much overhead when there's a lot of towers. |
| 18:45.02 | Krakarn | it was a really cool mod and it wouldve strengthened their product, all mods should be able to exist, not banned, since theey only add to the game |
| 18:45.08 | RedWraith | Since it un-declares the whole side then redeclares from all the wall pieces. :P |
| 18:45.51 | RedWraith | I hate when people post a map project |
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| 18:45.57 | RedWraith | without actually posting a map |
| 18:46.32 | ekcolnvkol | why |
| 18:46.34 | Twiner | anyone know how to change water height |
| 18:46.35 | ekcolnvkol | because you can't pirate it? ;> |
| 18:46.35 | depthsofchaos | is there any smoother way to hide terrain other than deleting the cells?:o |
| 18:46.41 | depthsofchaos | edit water |
| 18:46.49 | Twiner | wehere? |
| 18:46.53 | MotiveMe | Oh wow, look at that. 3dsmax is free for certain students. |
| 18:47.28 | depthsofchaos | windows is free for me too but i still pirate it |
| 18:47.29 | nicoli_s | yep |
| 18:47.57 | Alpha_vst | SWEET |
| 18:48.05 | vjeux | I got 4 keys of each version of windows from my school |
| 18:48.06 | vjeux | that's cool |
| 18:48.22 | Krakarn | someone tried to make an aura yesterday that added cliff jumping behaviour but couldnt figure it out, now im doing the same thing anyone help |
| 18:48.25 | Krakarn | ? |
| 18:48.37 | depthsofchaos | krakarn i uploaded an example map |
| 18:49.01 | Krakarn | the aura buff pops up as it should but the behaviour isnt added it seems, is "behaviour enabled" under modification on the buff behaviour enough? |
| 18:49.20 | Twiner | oh in the data editor |
| 18:49.20 | Twiner | I see |
| 18:49.29 | Twiner | oh so I can have multiple water heights? |
| 18:50.05 | nicoli_s | anyone here tried APB yet? |
| 18:50.09 | Krakarn | deö |
| 18:50.10 | Helral | APB? |
| 18:50.10 | Krakarn | lt |
| 18:50.13 | Krakarn | depthsofchaos where? |
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| 18:50.19 | depthsofchaos | behaviour enabled only enables to apply it |
| 18:50.24 | nicoli_s | helral:its like a mmo gta |
| 18:50.27 | depthsofchaos | as far as i know |
| 18:50.37 | Krakarn | hmm |
| 18:50.39 | Helral | hmmm |
| 18:50.41 | Krakarn | so you have to use triggerS? |
| 18:50.45 | depthsofchaos | no |
| 18:50.47 | depthsofchaos | sec |
| 18:50.52 | depthsofchaos | try ckecking the chat log |
| 18:50.52 | Helral | never heard of APB ;p |
| 18:50.55 | depthsofchaos | of yesterday |
| 18:50.57 | nicoli_s | its pretty fun |
| 18:51.05 | depthsofchaos | cant find the link sec |
| 18:51.05 | nicoli_s | we still have keys for the beta at curse.com actually |
| 18:51.21 | Helral | lol |
| 18:51.28 | Helral | you couldn't get rid of them? |
| 18:51.44 | nicoli_s | we just started the giveaway recently and we had thousands i believe |
| 18:52.08 | Alpha_vst | http://i48.tinypic.com/6rqcdx.jpg now all i have to do is make some custom dialog with some custom textures :D |
| 18:52.11 | Alpha_vst | weee |
| 18:52.18 | depthsofchaos | http://www.mediafire.com/?2zjyz22ztdm |
| 18:52.21 | depthsofchaos | ok here it is |
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| 18:54.19 | gwho | cool terrain, alpha |
| 18:54.26 | gwho | wahts that nifty looking doodad? |
| 18:54.39 | Alpha_vst | what doodad? |
| 18:54.51 | gwho | the center P circle |
| 18:54.58 | Alpha_vst | its a "point" |
| 18:54.59 | gwho | as well as those blocks that look like they're drawn |
| 18:55.05 | Alpha_vst | its a wall |
| 18:55.06 | depthsofchaos | heh dds files are sure small :o |
| 18:55.11 | Alpha_vst | yes |
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| 18:55.21 | Alpha_vst | but http://i48.tinypic.com/6rqcdx.jpg <--- no console UI |
| 18:55.42 | Jcup | vjeux how do I resubmit the map for approval? |
| 18:55.57 | vjeux | there's a link on the right |
| 18:56.05 | vjeux | resubmit ofr approval :P |
| 18:56.21 | depthsofchaos | would it be possible to use a cliff doodad without actually placing the cliff |
| 18:56.23 | depthsofchaos | ? |
| 18:56.26 | vjeux | what's your map already |
| 18:56.32 | Jcup | oh thankz |
| 18:56.36 | Alpha_vst | yes depthsofchaos |
| 18:56.45 | depthsofchaos | how?:o |
| 18:56.46 | Alpha_vst | you just change the height |
| 18:56.50 | Jcup | resubmitted :D |
| 18:56.51 | Helral | @gwho did you get that egg thing working? |
| 18:57.06 | depthsofchaos | what height |
| 18:57.11 | Alpha_vst | on the doodad |
| 18:57.13 | Alpha_vst | 0.o |
| 18:57.25 | Krakarn | depthsofchaos ty |
| 18:57.26 | Alpha_vst | when its selceted hit enter |
| 18:57.26 | Repo | New map: http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/red-revenge/. Red Revenge. J_cup (Manager/Author). Approved by vjeux. |
| 18:57.28 | depthsofchaos | cliffs got some crazy looking models |
| 18:57.39 | Alpha_vst | when you have the doodad selected hti enter |
| 18:57.45 | Jcup | Huzzah thanks vjeux :D |
| 18:57.49 | vjeux | :) |
| 18:57.50 | Alpha_vst | you can change all sorts of things |
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| 18:57.53 | depthsofchaos | yeah but i need cliff doodad |
| 18:58.06 | Jcup | http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/red-revenge/ guys check out my old red revenge I finally releaseded it :3 |
| 18:58.13 | vjeux | this looks really cool |
| 18:58.16 | vjeux | let me try it :) |
| 18:58.19 | depthsofchaos | you know cliffs with different levels |
| 18:58.36 | Jcup | I started it a while back |
| 18:58.45 | Jcup | been wondering if I should release or not ha |
| 18:58.51 | Alpha_vst | now i need to work on my UI :P |
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| 18:59.06 | vjeux | hey your map isn't localized :( |
| 18:59.09 | Clord | it was just processing video |
| 18:59.10 | Clord | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTAj0vHzFoU |
| 18:59.17 | Jcup | D: |
| 18:59.18 | Clord | 1080P is not exactly bad quality |
| 18:59.23 | Jcup | pewp |
| 18:59.25 | Clord | ^^ |
| 18:59.32 | Jcup | brb ill fix it |
| 18:59.48 | vjeux | Clord: even in 1080 we hardly can read text :X |
| 19:00.24 | Jcup | Agh do u rlly have to edit the mpq's still to fix localizing? |
| 19:00.40 | Clord | it is because different ratio |
| 19:00.43 | Clord | I have 1600X1200 resolution |
| 19:00.48 | Clord | so it "stomps" it |
| 19:00.48 | Clord | XD |
| 19:02.32 | Alpha_vst | they have a tool for that |
| 19:04.26 | vjeux | Jcup: you should make a mini training to learn the controls |
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| 19:04.38 | vjeux | i'm a bit lost :p |
| 19:04.42 | Jcup | yeah ha I had a feeling the controls would be a challenge |
| 19:05.26 | Jcup | argh I couldnt upload the localized version D: |
| 19:05.35 | Jcup | But it let me reupload the first one |
| 19:05.38 | Jcup | x.x |
| 19:05.47 | Jcup | It was like no to my localized one |
| 19:06.30 | Jcup | since its not localized can u even see the Tips and Help buttons I put there? |
| 19:07.51 | Clord | it is still pending but http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/card-game-vs-ai/ |
| 19:07.56 | Clord | shameless advertising ;) |
| 19:08.31 | RedWraith | Clord, isn't the team who made WC3 Card Game making a card game map? |
| 19:09.05 | exxor | does anyone know when/if the beta will go back up before release? |
| 19:09.11 | Clord | would not be surprised if they are |
| 19:09.27 | Clord | but as far I know.. they have no copyright over idea |
| 19:09.28 | Clord | XD |
| 19:09.45 | Jcup | exactly |
| 19:09.48 | Jcup | U can compete |
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| 19:10.05 | vjeux | you need to give incencitives |
| 19:10.09 | vjeux | like gold, xp ... |
| 19:10.28 | Alpha_vst | porn |
| 19:10.32 | vjeux | or porn :p |
| 19:10.41 | Alpha_vst | what wait |
| 19:10.53 | ekcolnvkol | here's some news |
| 19:10.57 | Jcup | lol xD yeah well Ive been working on a different map lately a multiplayer one |
| 19:11.05 | ekcolnvkol | GE is INCAPABLE of computing time domains < 0.1 |
| 19:11.07 | Jcup | So this one is idling |
| 19:11.07 | Triceron | tits and explosions |
| 19:11.14 | ekcolnvkol | SO MUCH FAIL |
| 19:11.17 | Jcup | D: |
| 19:11.32 | Clord | I also like to note that AI is secondary enemy |
| 19:11.37 | Clord | it is meant to be played vs human |
| 19:11.48 | Clord | :) |
| 19:11.53 | Clord | which reminds me |
| 19:12.00 | Clord | I probably need give cheats for AI as optional thing ;) |
| 19:12.28 | Jcup | vjeux how come I cant upload my localized version of my map |
| 19:12.29 | Jcup | x.x |
| 19:12.40 | vjeux | define "can't" |
| 19:12.45 | Jcup | it says its already been uploaded |
| 19:12.58 | Jcup | but its obviously not there |
| 19:13.05 | Jcup | I dont have any maps added to my thingy |
| 19:13.15 | Jcup | and no one has ever had my map before this |
| 19:13.29 | vjeux | you have to add a file in your project |
| 19:13.34 | vjeux | not create a new project |
| 19:13.34 | Clord | maybe it hitted to cap |
| 19:13.38 | Jcup | yeah thats what ive been doing |
| 19:13.41 | Jcup | +Upload File |
| 19:13.46 | vjeux | change the file name maybe |
| 19:13.50 | Jcup | Tried lol |
| 19:14.01 | vjeux | i'm in the middle of something |
| 19:14.03 | vjeux | give me 5min |
| 19:14.08 | Jcup | kk |
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| 19:14.08 | nicoli_s | time domains ekcolnvkol? |
| 19:14.13 | nicoli_s | you mean time spans? |
| 19:14.35 | Alpha_vst | FUCK ME |
| 19:14.42 | Clord | YES SIR! |
| 19:15.01 | Alpha_vst | is there anyway to set the layer of a image on the ui? |
| 19:15.10 | Alpha_vst | so it show behind shit? |
| 19:16.18 | Clord | I doubht it |
| 19:16.26 | Clord | unless you can somehow make it transparent XD |
| 19:16.42 | Jcup | ugh fuuh I broke sc2mapster lol |
| 19:17.08 | depthsofchaos | is there any way to enable the lowest cliff level ?:o |
| 19:17.09 | Alpha_vst | has to be a way |
| 19:17.18 | depthsofchaos | you cant place units there :/ |
| 19:17.22 | Alpha_vst | you can |
| 19:17.24 | Alpha_vst | hold shift |
| 19:17.25 | nicoli_s | how did you break it Jcup? |
| 19:17.36 | depthsofchaos | but i want to build there with a unit |
| 19:17.45 | Jcup | Well I uploaded my map then realized it wasnt localized |
| 19:17.50 | Jcup | So I tried to upload the local |
| 19:17.53 | ekcolnvkol | he typed the address into his DDOS client by accident |
| 19:17.54 | Jcup | but it said it existed |
| 19:17.59 | Jcup | so I changed the name it still didnt work |
| 19:18.07 | Jcup | so I deleted my map that wasnt localized |
| 19:18.11 | Jcup | and tried to add it then |
| 19:18.21 | Jcup | tried adding the local again |
| 19:18.23 | Jcup | didnt work |
| 19:18.29 | Jcup | so I added the original |
| 19:18.44 | Jcup | and now I tried adding my local again! and it didnt work so I deleted my original |
| 19:18.49 | Jcup | and now I cant get either back on lol |
| 19:18.54 | Jcup | D:::::: |
| 19:19.09 | Jcup | Cuz it says all my files exist still |
| 19:19.34 | nicoli_s | jcup, msg kaelten he can help you |
| 19:19.42 | Kaelten | huh? |
| 19:19.54 | Jcup | Hai kaelten I need uuu |
| 19:19.55 | Jcup | ha |
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| 19:20.11 | Kaelten | ya the localization system is inconsistent in how it treats deleted items |
| 19:20.23 | Kaelten | can you give me your project name? |
| 19:20.36 | Jcup | http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/red-revenge/ |
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| 19:22.16 | Kaelten | so you're just wanting to setup locals? |
| 19:22.19 | wOlfLinG | so, leik, hi pplz |
| 19:22.39 | Kaelten | Jcup: http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/red-revenge/localization/ |
| 19:22.39 | Kaelten | ? |
| 19:22.46 | Repo | New map: http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/paintball/. Paintball. alexkates (Manager/Author). Experimental. Approved by xhatix. |
| 19:23.03 | nicoli_s | kaelten:he means localization done to his mao |
| 19:23.24 | Jcup | map |
| 19:23.25 | Jcup | ha |
| 19:23.26 | Hati | think so too, |
| 19:23.33 | Jcup | xD |
| 19:23.33 | Kaelten | Jcup: oh you mean a file? |
| 19:23.40 | Jcup | yeah i cant upload anything lol |
| 19:23.56 | Kaelten | ya, it's because it checks to make sure that it's not already uploaded |
| 19:23.56 | Jcup | It says all my files exist on the system when I deleted them or they never were on there |
| 19:24.03 | Hati | the flags show the available localization for a file can be set on "edit project " iirc |
| 19:24.39 | Kaelten | Jcup: http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/red-revenge/files/ |
| 19:24.44 | Kaelten | I undeleted them for you |
| 19:24.50 | Triceron | <3 normal maps |
| 19:25.19 | Jcup | oh thank you hm they r both the same map the one that says localized needs to be changed im gonna try and add the localized version of my map |
| 19:26.02 | vjeux | hmm ok Kaelten was too quick :P |
| 19:26.04 | Hati | just reupload it as with version numbers |
| 19:26.10 | Hati | them* |
| 19:26.24 | wOlfLinG | I <3 Build order testers :D. Lets me get my starcraft 2 fix 8D |
| 19:26.53 | Alpha_vst | thats not goign to work gah |
| 19:27.04 | depthsofchaos | is it possible to set the terrain transparent with a texture?:o |
| 19:27.12 | Jcup | how Hati? like change the file name to the same and just add version numbers? |
| 19:27.20 | Alpha_vst | why? |
| 19:27.56 | depthsofchaos | cause removing terrain cell is ugly |
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| 19:27.56 | Hati | well the download button on project page will automaticly points the ppl to the latest release file |
| 19:29.13 | Jcup | yeah but it is just saying my localized map has already been uploaded im gonna try and change something and see if it work |
| 19:29.13 | Jcup | s |
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| 19:29.28 | Clord | changed page type to wikiceole and youtube linking works |
| 19:29.30 | Clord | XD |
| 19:30.22 | Hati | Jcup: tried changing the "Name" (not filename) to "Red Revenge Localized r2" ? |
| 19:30.46 | Jcup | yeah ive used all kinds of different names lol |
| 19:30.54 | Jcup | I was getting desperate |
| 19:31.45 | Clord | must blow |
| 19:31.48 | Clord | that it bugs |
| 19:32.17 | Hati | yet it worked right? |
| 19:32.22 | Jcup | Alright i figured it out localizing doesnt change the map at all I guess and the server just thought it was a duplicate of the original |
| 19:32.31 | Krakarn | ok now i got the aura working as i wanted it to great :) another step in the learning process |
| 19:32.36 | Jcup | It was saying I had duplicates of the file |
| 19:32.41 | Clord | I need more card ideas lol |
| 19:32.41 | Jcup | so its all good now |
| 19:32.43 | Hati | ah |
| 19:32.51 | Clord | I have tought out.. medivac card... it would insta heal all forces |
| 19:32.52 | Clord | ^^ |
| 19:32.59 | Hati | so no changes in file "bits" |
| 19:33.18 | Jcup | yeah |
| 19:33.43 | Hati | well yeah |
| 19:34.00 | Hati | there's no reason to let ppl dump the server with multiple unnecessary files i guess |
| 19:34.38 | Jcup | yeah it makes sense I was just hoping that localizing would fix it, and what didnt make sense was when I deleted the original map why didnt it let me upload the the localized one |
| 19:34.41 | Hati | but why you named it localized ? |
| 19:35.00 | Hati | it's not localized :x |
| 19:35.19 | Jcup | blah the 1.1 didnt localized!? |
| 19:35.36 | Jcup | Did u just try it? |
| 19:35.39 | Hati | localizing usually adds 10-50kb to the file |
| 19:35.42 | Demonette | Anyone an idea how to convert the daytime value to a percentage value? |
| 19:35.44 | Hati | i just looked into the mpq |
| 19:36.06 | Jcup | I used that sc2localizing tool or w.e |
| 19:36.21 | Jcup | did it just deny my map |
| 19:36.27 | Hati | OS ? |
| 19:36.29 | Hati | admin mode ? |
| 19:36.31 | Demonette | Mmmhhh |
| 19:36.34 | Demonette | so nobody? |
| 19:36.37 | Jcup | Windows and yes im in admin |
| 19:36.46 | Hati | there's some bug on some OSes it does not localize |
| 19:37.00 | Hati | on other's (which are available to me) it works just fine |
| 19:37.22 | Jcup | Unless it doesnt like vista 32bit |
| 19:37.52 | Hati | well i tested it on 25 pcs available to me :x from WinXP 32bit to Win7 64bit |
| 19:37.53 | Hati | all worked fine |
| 19:37.55 | vjeux | http://google-opensource.blogspot.com/2010/06/introducing-google-command-line-tool.html |
| 19:37.57 | casperb | Demonette: well you know how many hours have passed, and how many hours is in a day so shouldn't be an issue |
| 19:38.41 | Hati | it must be a setting somewhere in the OS etc. |
| 19:40.57 | Triceron | Clord you're doing the cardcraft map? |
| 19:41.01 | Demonette | and if i convert this string value to an real i get only zero |
| 19:41.09 | Clord | yeah.... just won in it 477/0 XD |
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| 19:42.59 | Triceron | how can you stop 2 thor cards :S |
| 19:43.03 | Triceron | they seem really powerful |
| 19:43.23 | Clord | personally I deal with them |
| 19:43.29 | Clord | cannon fodder and then ghosts |
| 19:43.30 | Clord | ^^ |
| 19:44.03 | Clord | oh and their power... that would mean I uses 140 gas to bring two thors :) |
| 19:44.11 | Clord | I say it is rather expensive rare card ;) |
| 19:44.44 | depthsofchaos | casperb , what was it you told exatctly yesterday? how to make remove terrain cell less ugly ?:o |
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| 19:45.12 | casperb | depthsofchaos: hum, we where talking about terrain deformations i think? |
| 19:45.40 | depthsofchaos | ye to simulate islands |
| 19:46.25 | depthsofchaos | and i need to remove the terrain cells for the skybox :o |
| 19:46.37 | depthsofchaos | but you can only remove huge chunks :/ |
| 19:46.52 | casperb | Cells are the same size as the grid |
| 19:46.59 | casperb | But it's semi bugged with the skybox atm |
| 19:47.12 | Nooblet | Can i send my map to someone to fix my terrain alligning problem? |
| 19:47.17 | depthsofchaos | works for me but i cant remove them properly by the cliffs |
| 19:48.50 | casperb | depthsofchaos: use another cliff set, some meshes have both the bottom and top terrain attached to them |
| 19:49.59 | casperb | depthsofchaos: braxis alpha one is nice for floating sky islands ^^ |
| 19:50.08 | Krakarn | i have small problem, i dont have beta access, so the maps i make cannot be tested in multiplayer by myself... :( |
| 19:50.15 | casperb | organic one, just add it into the current cliff set, you can have up to four or something |
| 19:50.24 | Clord | Krakarn.. don't worry |
| 19:50.25 | depthsofchaos | ye but the problem is i want to be able to walk on the level where the skybox is |
| 19:50.27 | Clord | next beta is open beta |
| 19:50.28 | Clord | ^^ |
| 19:50.31 | depthsofchaos | the lowest cliff level doesnt allow this |
| 19:50.38 | Krakarn | Clord omg i didnt know that |
| 19:50.42 | depthsofchaos | and those nice cliffs are only for the lowest level |
| 19:51.01 | Krakarn | and i was going to buy the game just to get beta key, but now i can wait with the buy to make price go down |
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| 19:52.44 | casperb | depthsofchaos: hm lowest level is just a footprint issue tho isn't it? |
| 19:52.59 | depthsofchaos | hmm might be ill check |
| 19:53.18 | casperb | AFAIK units can walk just fine there |
| 19:53.18 | depthsofchaos | but footprints can only be attached to textures |
| 19:53.28 | depthsofchaos | ye but i need to build also |
| 19:53.31 | casperb | but buildings can't be placed because their placement footprint disallows it |
| 19:53.38 | casperb | yeah that's jus the footprint |
| 19:53.41 | casperb | just * |
| 19:53.47 | casperb | placement, levels = cliff levels |
| 19:53.55 | depthsofchaos | removing the building footprint didnt work either |
| 19:54.06 | casperb | Don't remove it, modify it :p |
| 19:54.19 | casperb | explictly set it to allow level 0 |
| 19:54.24 | casperb | should work (in theory) |
| 19:56.00 | depthsofchaos | wheres this placement levels? |
| 19:56.30 | Nooblet | Hey guys where is the area that you choose where you want to generate it and where not to generate with a button ? |
| 19:56.45 | Nooblet | Like mini random placed doodad things |
| 19:57.22 | casperb | depthsofchaos: footprint -> layers -> sets |
| 19:58.06 | casperb | Nooblet: what? o.O |
| 19:58.22 | casperb | Nooblet: talking about foliage i guess? |
| 19:58.28 | Nooblet | Yeah that!! |
| 19:58.29 | Nooblet | Lol |
| 19:58.36 | Nooblet | casperb where is that? |
| 19:58.45 | casperb | terrain module |
| 19:59.04 | casperb | in it's own sub palette |
| 19:59.18 | Nooblet | ahhh gotcha |
| 19:59.20 | Nooblet | thanks ! |
| 19:59.57 | Clord | I improve AI nuke logic in my card map so it does not nuke so much own forces |
| 19:59.58 | Clord | lol |
| 20:00.49 | redmarine | Alright, so, how do I actually remove a doodad? Can't seem to delete it via the remove actor function. |
| 20:01.44 | casperb | runtime? |
| 20:01.51 | redmarine | nvm think I found it |
| 20:02.43 | Repo | New map: http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/defendandmine/. Desolate Defense. iRandomFail (Manager/Author). Experimental. Approved by xhatix. |
| 20:03.03 | Twiner | blah |
| 20:03.05 | depthsofchaos | hmm i cant find any placement stuff related to cliff level |
| 20:03.06 | Twiner | 3 terrain heights |
| 20:03.07 | Twiner | stupid |
| 20:03.09 | Twiner | very stupid |
| 20:03.14 | depthsofchaos | indeed :o |
| 20:03.52 | casperb | 4 technically' |
| 20:04.01 | Twiner | only 3 are usable though |
| 20:04.11 | Twiner | you can't put units on the lowest height |
| 20:04.18 | vjeux | http://www.sc2mapster.com/announcements/spell-contest-vote-m3-animation-starcraft-survivors/#comments |
| 20:04.21 | vjeux | I sense anger ... |
| 20:04.58 | nicoli_s | lol wtf is that about |
| 20:05.05 | vjeux | have no idea |
| 20:05.26 | nicoli_s | we noticed it cuz it popped up in my facebook thing for trillian |
| 20:05.29 | redmarine | Animation - Kill Doodads In Region(Region, Any) doens't kill actors? |
| 20:05.35 | depthsofchaos | im gona give cretid to my friend who mentioned sc2 first |
| 20:06.06 | nicoli_s | vjeux:did you see the staredit guy like dissing us in the facebook post too? pretty funny |
| 20:06.10 | depthsofchaos | ok lowest cliff level has somekind of stupid special coding |
| 20:06.13 | vjeux | nop |
| 20:06.15 | depthsofchaos | thats engine related |
| 20:06.19 | vjeux | checking that out |
| 20:06.40 | nicoli_s | staredit have a much better moderation ;o |
| 20:06.47 | nicoli_s | from one of their admins |
| 20:06.52 | vjeux | Jérémi 'Gilmour' Berthiaume staredit have a much better moderation ;o |
| 20:06.53 | vjeux | lol |
| 20:07.14 | nicoli_s | lol sixens mom posted |
| 20:07.16 | casperb | Guess they need more moderation then :p |
| 20:07.19 | casperb | lol o.O |
| 20:07.38 | vjeux | Stephanie Carlino That's my boys website!!!! |
| 20:07.39 | vjeux | LOL |
| 20:07.43 | vjeux | excellent :p |
| 20:08.04 | vjeux | (i'm going to tip my parents not to reply it :P) |
| 20:08.14 | nicoli_s | haha |
| 20:09.13 | Clord | new version of my yet to be approved map :) http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/card-game-vs-ai/files/5-the-card-game-vs-ai-v1-04/ |
| 20:09.22 | Clord | lol now tuning is done |
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| 20:09.37 | vjeux | Clord: approving is done only for the project |
| 20:09.44 | vjeux | we don't have to approve each version of it |
| 20:10.09 | vjeux | oh ... you have to click resubmit for approval |
| 20:10.14 | vjeux | or we don't see it :p |
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| 20:10.21 | vjeux | http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/card-game-vs-ai/resubmit-for-approval/ |
| 20:11.24 | Clord | vjeux.... lol |
| 20:11.47 | Clord | that is just plain epic |
| 20:11.48 | Clord | ^^ |
| 20:11.56 | Repo | New map: http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/card-game-vs-ai/. THE Card Game (vs AI). Clord (Manager/Author). Approved by vjeux. |
| 20:12.06 | casperb | lol @ husky & gang's mass mass mass pheonix |
| 20:12.23 | nicoli_s | screw husky man |
| 20:12.34 | Clord | anyways... I got time to fix balance etc |
| 20:12.36 | Clord | :) |
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| 20:19.47 | Hati | http://forums.sc2mapster.com/general/general-chat/3789-good-news-about-b-net/#p3 |
| 20:20.04 | Hati | http://forums.battle.net/thread.html?topicId=25399622869&pageNo=1&sid=3000#11 |
| 20:21.43 | redmarine | Not much different from 3-4 months ago. |
| 20:22.08 | redmarine | Blizzard did state that chat channels would be released shortly after the game. |
| 20:22.11 | redmarine | in a patch |
| 20:22.17 | Furyhunter | yep |
| 20:22.21 | Furyhunter | oooolololololod |
| 20:22.26 | Furyhunter | but at least we're getting a response now |
| 20:22.26 | redmarine | Sadly a Blizzard employee said otherwise. |
| 20:22.26 | vjeux | Hati: are you going to whine if I don't put you in the next news? :P |
| 20:22.30 | redmarine | and caused one hell of confusion |
| 20:22.41 | Hati | about what? |
| 20:22.45 | nicoli_s | lol i love they are adding back identifiers |
| 20:22.47 | P_R_Deltoid | put me in the next news |
| 20:22.55 | vjeux | ( http://www.sc2mapster.com/announcements/spell-contest-vote-m3-animation-starcraft-survivors/ ) |
| 20:22.58 | redmarine | Now identifiers are randomly chosen |
| 20:23.05 | redmarine | 3 digits after your nicknames |
| 20:23.12 | vjeux | yeah i'm vjeux666 |
| 20:23.12 | redmarine | however, they won't be visible everywhere |
| 20:23.16 | vjeux | how lame this is .... |
| 20:23.27 | Twiner | oh good |
| 20:23.31 | casperb | after? So you'll be ingame as 417? :P |
| 20:23.34 | nicoli_s | i just dont understand why they dont make u use emails for conflicts |
| 20:23.42 | Twiner | we don't have to use that retarded system of giving everyone your battlenet account email |
| 20:23.50 | nicoli_s | so if they name is unique, it just adds it, if not, they ask you to put in their email or part of it |
| 20:23.55 | redmarine | that's a plus :P |
| 20:24.03 | Zironic | I wonder why it takes them several months to code in something as simple as chat systems |
| 20:24.05 | redmarine | Now we just give nickname+random 3 digits |
| 20:24.16 | Twiner | Zironic: go make an irc client |
| 20:24.20 | Twiner | and come back and talk to me then |
| 20:24.21 | Hati | I still don't got it |
| 20:24.28 | redmarine | get |
| 20:24.36 | Hati | yeah whatever :x |
| 20:24.38 | Triceron | it's not vjeux666, it's vjeux.666 |
| 20:24.39 | redmarine | lol |
| 20:24.50 | Zironic | I could make you an IRC client |
| 20:24.57 | Twiner | go do iyt |
| 20:24.59 | Zironic | but that seems like a bit of a waste since you're not going to use it ;) |
| 20:25.00 | redmarine | sure it has dots? |
| 20:25.16 | vjeux | but, that's a cool news indeed, I will be able to be legolas.167 |
| 20:25.18 | redmarine | this new version I mean of the idendifier |
| 20:25.21 | Twiner | I expect something worth while and functional with integration with facebook and a video game |
| 20:25.21 | redmarine | identifier* |
| 20:25.30 | Twiner | I expect you to be finished within the next month |
| 20:25.31 | Triceron | no one sees the last letters normally |
| 20:25.41 | Triceron | you will see prolly in certain cases |
| 20:25.46 | vjeux | hmm, what if there are more than 1k people with the same nick ? :P |
| 20:25.52 | Triceron | like profile, maybe replay or score screen |
| 20:25.57 | redmarine | then shit happens lol |
| 20:26.02 | Triceron | it's not just number I think |
| 20:26.04 | nicoli_s | oh man thatd be fin |
| 20:26.10 | nicoli_s | try and break the system |
| 20:26.11 | Twiner | oh, also, you'll have to program the protocol handler yourself |
| 20:26.13 | redmarine | For now they've only said numbers |
| 20:26.15 | nicoli_s | i bet we could do it here |
| 20:26.19 | P_R_Deltoid | 1000 people with the same nick seems like a stretch |
| 20:26.19 | Triceron | it could be a number/letter combo |
| 20:26.24 | Twiner | and while you're at it, write a irc chat server aswel |
| 20:26.25 | redmarine | I'm guessing they'll go for letters as well |
| 20:26.26 | nicoli_s | just get as many people to get the same nick |
| 20:26.30 | Hati | vjeux: they swap to a |
| 20:26.33 | Hati | a00 - a99 |
| 20:26.37 | Twiner | making a quality functional chat system is NOT trivial |
| 20:26.38 | Hati | b00-b99 |
| 20:26.40 | Triceron | so 36*36*36 |
| 20:26.44 | redmarine | One person is bound to get .sex |
| 20:26.56 | Hati | or gay |
| 20:27.00 | vjeux | :p |
| 20:27.01 | nicoli_s | Twiner:not trivial, but its something that they have experience with, that you think they would have worked on a while ago |
| 20:27.03 | redmarine | hehe |
| 20:27.19 | Zironic | It's fairly trivial, especially since they already have a couple they can more or less copy paste |
| 20:27.20 | Triceron | .wtf |
| 20:27.21 | Twiner | nicoli_s: its a low priority item |
| 20:27.30 | Triceron | .lol |
| 20:27.33 | Zironic | It's not like it's an advanced physics simulator or anything |
| 20:27.39 | Twiner | I would definetly make it the last thing I put into my game |
| 20:28.07 | redmarine | Alright, how the heck so I remove doodads? |
| 20:28.09 | redmarine | Actors* |
| 20:28.32 | Twiner | no its not a physics simulator of complexity |
| 20:28.35 | Zironic | even flashgames have integrated chat systems nowadays :p |
| 20:28.42 | Twiner | but you shouldn't underestimate it |
| 20:28.58 | Twiner | a lot of flash games use a already built component someone else made |
| 20:29.22 | vjeux | http://sc2movie.com/video/1-H5tblQ-ZuXQ/sc2-spell-temporal-generator.html |
| 20:29.22 | casperb | Everything is in programming is pretty straight forward, just takes time |
| 20:29.25 | Twiner | and making in game chat, vs a full chat system with channels, and control systems and the like, is not nearly as trivial |
| 20:29.36 | vjeux | 12 votes for this spell, it's getting a way ahead :) |
| 20:29.46 | Twiner | casperb: thats not true |
| 20:29.55 | Twiner | loops go in circles :p |
| 20:30.30 | ekcolnvkol | http://sc2movie.com/video/1-4Wl8KlrzWrw/starcraft-2-3d-space-shooter.html |
| 20:30.31 | ekcolnvkol | holy jesus |
| 20:30.38 | ekcolnvkol | really? |
| 20:30.56 | Jcup | lol yeah I remember that announcement |
| 20:30.56 | nicoli_s | wow thats cool |
| 20:31.03 | ekcolnvkol | that is insane |
| 20:31.29 | depthsofchaos | meh every crappy spell will have more vote then mine in the ned :o |
| 20:31.33 | depthsofchaos | *end |
| 20:32.10 | nicoli_s | vjeux:can you like as many things as you want? |
| 20:32.16 | vjeux | yep |
| 20:32.24 | Jcup | >:O I only haz 6 |
| 20:32.34 | vjeux | it's just going to spam your facebook friends that's it :p |
| 20:32.49 | nicoli_s | so you can vote on as many spells as you like then? |
| 20:33.21 | Jcup | Yeah everyone is gonna advertise and just bug everybody for free votes |
| 20:33.44 | vjeux | that's the goal nicoli_s |
| 20:33.55 | depthsofchaos | but no one in europe uses facebook so i lost again :p |
| 20:33.58 | vjeux | you can't just chose 1 over 40 entries |
| 20:34.28 | vjeux | if everyone choses like 5, this is going to be more representative |
| 20:34.46 | Zironic | Some things in programming are genuinely hard, some things take time, integrating chat channels into your game is neither. I bet what's taking so long is hireing another 1,000 chat moderators and turning b.net into some wierd community portal >.< |
| 20:35.08 | nicoli_s | is there no category for the spell contest vjeux? |
| 20:35.11 | Hati | ... still 16 pounds of sauerkraut left |
| 20:35.13 | vjeux | it's a tag |
| 20:35.15 | nicoli_s | yech |
| 20:35.16 | vjeux | "ability" |
| 20:35.34 | vjeux | and they are in the Experiment category. that's probably a really bad name btw :p |
| 20:35.54 | Jcup | well Temporal thingy prolly won ha |
| 20:36.15 | Zironic | Now I want to make an illiterate magician hero |
| 20:36.27 | Zironic | with spell names like "Temporal thingie" and "Sets things on fire"! |
| 20:36.31 | vjeux | http://sc2movie.com/video/1-4_--dGYCow0/starcraft-2-spell-contest-entry-reflective-shield.html |
| 20:36.35 | vjeux | i like this one better :P |
| 20:36.38 | Jcup | haha :D totally |
| 20:36.49 | nicoli_s | that one is cool |
| 20:36.54 | nicoli_s | i like the reverse movement one too |
| 20:37.05 | vjeux | http://sc2movie.com/video/1-5pGsKgj3Yyg/reverse-movement-sc2mapster-spell-contest.html |
| 20:37.05 | vjeux | yeah |
| 20:37.10 | vjeux | this one in pvp would be SO imba |
| 20:37.44 | vjeux | there are really cool entries in that contest |
| 20:38.13 | Twiner | vjeux: that reflection spell is pretty cool |
| 20:38.21 | Twiner | I want to make a time warp spell like the diablo 2 wizard |
| 20:39.20 | ekcolnvkol | uh |
| 20:39.21 | ekcolnvkol | vjeux |
| 20:39.35 | vjeux | yes? |
| 20:39.39 | ekcolnvkol | i'm finding links to our map from brazil and spain |
| 20:39.42 | ekcolnvkol | lol |
| 20:39.47 | Jcup | ha |
| 20:39.59 | ekcolnvkol | it feels wierd :s |
| 20:40.05 | Jcup | my infernal ignite spell got linked to a korean blogging site myself |
| 20:40.12 | Jcup | it was weird |
| 20:40.13 | ekcolnvkol | i want your infernal ignite |
| 20:40.19 | ekcolnvkol | oh wait you gave it to me |
| 20:40.25 | ekcolnvkol | *dissect* |
| 20:40.27 | Jcup | lol I showed u it yeah ha |
| 20:41.03 | ekcolnvkol | if you complete a hero i'll paste it right into the map :> |
| 20:41.15 | ekcolnvkol | make a fire-based stalker :U |
| 20:41.21 | Jcup | haha |
| 20:41.42 | Jcup | I was gonna make a bunch of abilities but yeah work kicked in all of a sudden when this contest came around |
| 20:41.45 | ekcolnvkol | i wish tint didn't mess with player-designated colors |
| 20:41.47 | ekcolnvkol | it's so stupid |
| 20:41.49 | Jcup | so I got one lol |
| 20:42.01 | ekcolnvkol | yeah you'd need 3 moar spells |
| 20:42.08 | Jcup | lol this is the korean thingy http://babelfish.yahoo.com/translate_url?doit=done&tt=url&intl=1&fr=bf-home&trurl=http%3A%2F%2Fblog.naver.com%2FPostView.nhn%3FblogId%3Dc4_tnt%26logNo%3D30087951619%26categoryNo%3D24%26parentCategoryNo%3D0%26viewDate%3D%26currentPage%3D1%26post&lp=ko_en&btnTrUrl=Translate |
| 20:42.15 | Jcup | ha ill see what i can do |
| 20:42.22 | ekcolnvkol | awesomebeans |
| 20:42.35 | nicoli_s | i need to start a blog |
| 20:42.38 | nicoli_s | im just too lazy |
| 20:42.42 | Jcup | haha |
| 20:42.46 | Jcup | This one is weird |
| 20:43.00 | Jcup | Like some korean dude took a couple of the spells from sc2mapster |
| 20:43.03 | Jcup | and posted it there |
| 20:43.06 | ekcolnvkol | yeah |
| 20:43.08 | ekcolnvkol | in my case |
| 20:43.13 | ekcolnvkol | they linked my video |
| 20:43.29 | ekcolnvkol | which is why my video has been getting those exponential views |
| 20:43.32 | ekcolnvkol | :X |
| 20:43.52 | vjeux | when i started mapster and made the first tower defense |
| 20:43.55 | ekcolnvkol | some guy said something about fruit |
| 20:44.06 | Jcup | yeah I got like 200 something from that naver place |
| 20:44.13 | vjeux | i discovered that there were sc2 mapping sites from every country in the world |
| 20:44.25 | vjeux | and started to like google translation :p |
| 20:44.54 | Nooblet | Should i make a video of my map when i release it?? |
| 20:44.59 | vjeux | of course |
| 20:45.01 | Helral | hmmm anyone know how text-styles work in sc2? |
| 20:45.01 | Nooblet | And put it on youtube? |
| 20:45.14 | Helral | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:45.33 | Jcup | waiiiit |
| 20:45.44 | vjeux | Nooblet: making youtube videos is a great way to promote your work |
| 20:45.45 | Jcup | Karate Chop! http://static.sc2mapster.com/content/attachments/3/164/3ICE_s_SC2_Styles.jpg |
| 20:45.51 | Jcup | Is that wat ur looking for Helral? |
| 20:45.58 | vjeux | and, it allows me to news it :) |
| 20:46.10 | Jcup | which is like a monster boost :D |
| 20:46.17 | Helral | nope doesn't have what I want :( |
| 20:46.23 | Jcup | aw sowee |
| 20:46.35 | Helral | is quite nice to know though. |
| 20:47.18 | Nooblet | Alright thank you. |
| 20:47.21 | Helral | I want to know how they're setup ;p |
| 20:48.13 | Jcup | Liiiike? |
| 20:49.25 | Helral | I want to know how to center the text both vertical and horizontal in a dialog item - label ;p |
| 20:49.54 | Twiner | I need to learn how to use the data editor to create spells and recreate my spell |
| 20:50.20 | Twiner | http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/spell-contest-temporal-generator/ because this is rediculous |
| 20:51.11 | Helral | http://www.sc2mapster.com/api-docs/functions/string-to-text/ <-- that is some of the stuff possible... but I want to know if vertical/horizontal centering is possible. |
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| 20:53.27 | *** mode/#sc2mapster [+v `3ICE] by ChanServ |
| 20:59.04 | *** join/#sc2mapster Pierro (5a2010d3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.90.32.16.211) |
| 20:59.18 | Pierro | hi ! |
| 20:59.58 | `3ICE | Hi. Did Nooblet (a8677a1d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.168.103.122.29) say anything before leaving? (Quit: Page closed) |
| 21:01.07 | Pierro | I made a plant using data editor. Actually it increases its scale each time an effect apply. However, i d like to set the modification so that the plant grow to scale 1.1.1 (i put the model to 0.4 0.4 0.4) automatically |
| 21:01.12 | Pierro | any ideas ? |
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| 21:02.04 | `3ICE | Pierro: Hmm... A periodic trigger springs to mind. |
| 21:02.48 | Pierro | i was thinkig of it but id like to use this behavior +effect to make it easier to create fertilizer or item that speed things up |
| 21:03.45 | `3ICE | ...I am definitely going to play your map once it's done. |
| 21:03.45 | Pierro | right now if i lower the duration of "growing" behavior the plant won't grow up to the scale 1.1.1 |
| 21:03.45 | `3ICE | Growing plants... Yay! |
| 21:03.45 | Pierro | :) |
| 21:03.45 | nicoli_s | very cool idea pierro |
| 21:03.49 | Pierro | thank you |
| 21:04.28 | Clord | you are giving me ideas |
| 21:04.29 | Clord | dammit |
| 21:04.35 | Pierro | != |
| 21:04.37 | Pierro | :) |
| 21:04.40 | Clord | ^^ |
| 21:05.16 | Clord | in fact... tons of my maps are inspired of what I see |
| 21:05.17 | Clord | lol |
| 21:05.21 | `3ICE | Blizz artists like detail: http://us.media.blizzard.com/starcraft2/images/artwork/ss21-hires.jpg |
| 21:05.27 | Pierro | in fact i put a behavior so that the plant loot something when its off |
| 21:05.36 | `3ICE | (Yes that's a hand ...of something.) |
| 21:05.52 | Pierro | my fertilizer would lower the growing dration |
| 21:05.52 | `3ICE | Marine! |
| 21:06.21 | Pierro | i have an idea ! |
| 21:06.25 | Pierro | lets try |
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| 21:08.06 | vjeux | [23:05] <Clord> in fact... tons of my maps are inspired of what I see |
| 21:08.18 | vjeux | quoted for truth :P |
| 21:08.36 | `3ICE | Truther for quote! |
| 21:08.40 | ekcolnvkol | grammar engine explodes |
| 21:08.41 | ekcolnvkol | :( |
| 21:08.41 | `3ICE | truthed* :o |
| 21:08.53 | Clord | lol but same can be said of tons other mappers maps |
| 21:08.54 | Clord | ;) |
| 21:09.05 | `3ICE | i jsut steal ideas left & right :) |
| 21:09.07 | Clord | I have lately played magic the gathering PC game... that 2010 one |
| 21:09.09 | Clord | ^^ |
| 21:09.18 | Clord | so I got inspired |
| 21:09.24 | Clord | how to do real time card game bit like it ;) |
| 21:09.29 | Clord | but with resource system and realtime |
| 21:09.30 | Clord | XD |
| 21:09.39 | `3ICE | "got inspired" is just a nicer way of "steal idea" |
| 21:09.43 | `3ICE | saying* |
| 21:10.01 | ekcolnvkol | real time card game = starcraft 2 |
| 21:10.03 | ekcolnvkol | >.> |
| 21:10.09 | ekcolnvkol | aka |
| 21:10.10 | ekcolnvkol | rts |
| 21:10.18 | Clord | lol |
| 21:10.21 | Clord | btw |
| 21:10.26 | Clord | that is great name idea |
| 21:10.26 | ekcolnvkol | each unit is a card... ? |
| 21:10.40 | ekcolnvkol | STARGATE BEAMMMMMMMMMM |
| 21:10.45 | ekcolnvkol | :/ |
| 21:10.48 | Clord | well check out my "THE Card Game" map ;) |
| 21:11.05 | Clord | I'm still in progress to add more stuff |
| 21:11.13 | `3ICE | BEAMMMMMMMMM |
| 21:11.23 | ekcolnvkol | 8BEAMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM |
| 21:11.26 | ekcolnvkol | o.o |
| 21:12.06 | Clord | in fact... it feels somewhat like turtle card game |
| 21:12.07 | Clord | lol |
| 21:12.16 | Clord | saving up is rather effective way to beat enemy |
| 21:12.19 | Clord | if done right |
| 21:13.17 | EternalWraith | Cant wait until phase 2. I enjoy editing, but I want to play!. I have "map editing fatigue" at the moment :/ |
| 21:13.22 | Clord | get 350 gas worth Thors to field and enemy uses nuke |
| 21:13.31 | RickA | Anybody know where the like button is on the sc2movie page is? I want to vote for the contest but can't figure out how. |
| 21:13.33 | Clord | lol |
| 21:13.39 | depthsofchaos | what the hell does the ground pathing brush do ?:o |
| 21:13.47 | ekcolnvkol | it makes a path |
| 21:13.48 | Pierro | ok gentlemen |
| 21:13.49 | ekcolnvkol | on the ground |
| 21:13.51 | ekcolnvkol | ._. |
| 21:13.54 | `3ICE | it forces pathable over unpathable terrain? |
| 21:14.00 | `3ICE | just a guess :) |
| 21:14.40 | depthsofchaos | heh i want to build on unpathable but duno how |
| 21:14.44 | Pierro | Is there a way to put a validator in the Actor-event so that it compares the scale of the model and if the scale is Less or egal to 1 it increases |
| 21:14.46 | `3ICE | so lets say you have a cliff and you draw ground pathing over the whole thing --> you've got yourself a "ramp" |
| 21:15.24 | depthsofchaos | gona test sounds good |
| 21:15.40 | `3ICE | do tell me if I was right or not :) |
| 21:15.47 | depthsofchaos | but still not solving the build on unpathable ground :/ |
| 21:16.35 | `3ICE | you can edit the building... make it not require pathable |
| 21:16.57 | `3ICE | What's this? http://us.media.blizzard.com/starcraft2/images/artwork/ss62-hires.jpg |
| 21:17.04 | depthsofchaos | i cant |
| 21:17.11 | depthsofchaos | footprint is not restrictable |
| 21:17.26 | depthsofchaos | and structures are considered units |
| 21:17.41 | depthsofchaos | btw it work but the units have a weird movement |
| 21:17.47 | `3ICE | let me get this straight: you want players to be able to build anywhere, regardless of pathing? |
| 21:17.50 | depthsofchaos | walking off cliff |
| 21:18.03 | depthsofchaos | yep |
| 21:18.26 | ekcolnvkol | i have a question |
| 21:18.35 | ekcolnvkol | can 13EVERYBODY DANCE NOW? |
| 21:18.38 | ekcolnvkol | dun |
| 21:18.41 | `3ICE | FieldBarracks |
| 21:18.41 | `3ICE | Movement - Pathing Footprint - Placement |
| 21:18.45 | ekcolnvkol | dun, dun dun, dun, dun |
| 21:19.04 | `3ICE | This should do the trick: Movement - Pathing Footprint - Placement(none) * |
| 21:19.23 | depthsofchaos | didnt wokr tryed that |
| 21:19.27 | `3ICE | bursts out in dance! He's got some slick moves, yo. |
| 21:20.12 | depthsofchaos | but this would make it possible to put buildings on buildings |
| 21:20.16 | depthsofchaos | and i dun want that |
| 21:20.25 | `3ICE | But I sure as hell do! |
| 21:20.28 | `3ICE | :) |
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| 21:22.55 | Helral | I've updated my map to version 0.4 will be thinking about what I want to do for version 0.5 |
| 21:23.22 | Coding_Newb | what kind of map is it Helral |
| 21:23.51 | Pierro | ok |
| 21:23.57 | Pierro | I found a way |
| 21:24.06 | Twiner | Helral: you make me feel like weaksauce |
| 21:24.10 | Pierro | If i use my fertilizer |
| 21:24.19 | Pierro | i will lower the duration of the behavior |
| 21:24.26 | Pierro | but keep the same number of periods |
| 21:24.30 | Helral | hehehe |
| 21:24.36 | Helral | @Twiner: check out my map. |
| 21:24.46 | Pierro | in Addition it will show a quicker growing effect |
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| 21:25.02 | Twiner | Helral: your method wont work for what I want to do unfortunately |
| 21:25.08 | Helral | hehehe |
| 21:25.15 | ekcolnvkol | Stepping Strikes: Shadow.Geminus takes a step forward with each attack, allowing him to maintain his strikes while his enemies escape. |
| 21:25.19 | Twiner | I admit that what I'm doing is considerably more complex |
| 21:25.36 | Helral | @Twiner: you're adjusting the entire terrain aren't you? |
| 21:25.39 | Twiner | I'm making pre-designed rooms (lots of them) and then randomly placing them |
| 21:25.43 | Twiner | yeah |
| 21:25.50 | Twiner | well, thats not actually necessary |
| 21:26.00 | Twiner | I could do what you did and use a doodad for wlals |
| 21:26.01 | Twiner | walls |
| 21:26.08 | Twiner | or a unit, whatever it is you use |
| 21:26.10 | Helral | hehehe |
| 21:26.27 | Twiner | I think what I'm going to do is actually use units, so I can make multi height dungeons |
| 21:26.36 | vjeux | http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/elite-operations/ |
| 21:26.39 | Twiner | I just wish maps were actually 3d |
| 21:26.53 | nicoli_s | they are :P |
| 21:26.58 | vjeux | this map has great concepts implemented: talents, ability choice, equipment |
| 21:27.08 | Twiner | nicoli_s: technically |
| 21:27.21 | RickA | What are talents? |
| 21:27.25 | Twiner | but whatI mean is, I cant make room that has two heights |
| 21:27.30 | nicoli_s | like in wow ricka |
| 21:27.35 | nicoli_s | basically just passive skills |
| 21:27.37 | RickA | <- Hasn't played Wow |
| 21:27.39 | RickA | Oh |
| 21:27.47 | Pierro | well it is working |
| 21:28.32 | Pierro | i made 3 talents trees |
| 21:28.49 | Jcup | Talent trees rr hoes |
| 21:28.51 | Pierro | but in my editor version the dialog trigger is not written |
| 21:28.59 | Jcup | x.x I had to make some too |
| 21:29.05 | Pierro | its a white line |
| 21:29.32 | depthsofchaos | whyyy oh why does no pathing prevent building if theres a separate brush for that...... |
| 21:30.02 | vjeux | Helral: mind adding a picture to your map |
| 21:30.19 | vjeux | it looks ugly in the map listing :p |
| 21:30.26 | Coding_Newb | sometimes when i load my map in the editor, water does not show up... is there any way to fix this ? |
| 21:31.48 | ekcolnvkol | yes |
| 21:31.52 | Pierro | if i want to do lets say a fertilizer. Do i need to do a complete behavior or can i modify on the fly the growing behavior directly ? |
| 21:31.54 | ekcolnvkol | o.o |
| 21:32.18 | Jum-Jum | hey uh |
| 21:32.21 | Jum-Jum | I was just thinking |
| 21:32.32 | Jum-Jum | the whole creep thing... can that be changed with different texture? |
| 21:32.35 | Pierro | Can't i just make something like on use divide the duration by 2 ? |
| 21:32.38 | ekcolnvkol | yes |
| 21:32.46 | Jum-Jum | so imagine I have this 'dirt' texture... could you make a "creep" but it has the grass texture? |
| 21:33.05 | Coding_Newb | damn can someone reply me to a simple question |
| 21:33.06 | Jum-Jum | so grass grows on the dirt |
| 21:33.07 | Jum-Jum | :P |
| 21:33.08 | Triceron | just replace/copy creep texture? |
| 21:33.24 | Jum-Jum | guess that works |
| 21:33.27 | depthsofchaos | simple answer: its a bug |
| 21:33.45 | Coding_Newb | im aware of that |
| 21:33.46 | Jum-Jum | what if its not suppose to be creeping over other textures then? wouldnt you have ot make that "unbuildable" pathing thingy |
| 21:33.59 | Twiner | anyone know of a way to check if a players mouse is over a unit? |
| 21:34.09 | Coding_Newb | reloading the map wouldnt fix it, how to get around the bug |
| 21:34.21 | vjeux | anyone knows a cool solo map, i'm bored and want to play :p |
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| 21:34.28 | depthsofchaos | i just keep clicking on the water edit part like crazy |
| 21:34.30 | `3ICE | you are looking for the "hover" or "highlight" event, which is currently broken (i think) |
| 21:34.31 | heysparky | howdy folks |
| 21:34.32 | depthsofchaos | it usually works |
| 21:34.38 | vjeux | hey heysparky |
| 21:34.45 | `3ICE | hey hey heysparky |
| 21:34.56 | heysparky | na na na na na |
| 21:35.37 | Coding_Newb | hmm i c |
| 21:36.14 | Pierro | Is it possible to make an ability that take off a behavior and apply an other instead ? |
| 21:36.21 | Twiner | hmm |
| 21:36.22 | Pierro | hmm yes |
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| 21:36.35 | Twiner | I could use AI for my pets instead of what I'm doing now |
| 21:37.13 | `3ICE | Those are some serious man-boobs: http://us.media.blizzard.com/starcraft2/images/artwork/ss77-hires.jpg |
| 21:37.18 | Helral | hey sparky |
| 21:37.32 | vjeux | lol `3ICE xD |
| 21:37.47 | EternalWraith | +`3ICE why do you spam that pic? |
| 21:37.54 | `3ICE | I spam? |
| 21:38.02 | Jcup | haha |
| 21:38.06 | nicoli_s | that guy looks like the leader who gets climbed inside of in aeon flux |
| 21:38.07 | ekcolnvkol | steriods will do that to you |
| 21:38.10 | ekcolnvkol | :/ |
| 21:38.33 | EternalWraith | Oh I see its a different one. My mistake |
| 21:38.38 | `3ICE | no prob |
| 21:39.07 | Clord | blizzard does nice CGI |
| 21:39.10 | Clord | actually they don't |
| 21:39.13 | Clord | they use other company |
| 21:39.14 | Clord | ^^ |
| 21:39.38 | Krakarn | heysparky did u figure out the aura thingy yesterdy? |
| 21:39.56 | heysparky | I'm just sitting down to work out what depthsofchaos sent me. |
| 21:40.56 | Krakarn | i made a map, you should check it out to see if it helps. |
| 21:41.57 | heysparky | great! thanks heaps :D |
| 21:42.17 | Pierro | my plants are growing pretty neatly |
| 21:42.58 | Krakarn | hehe and dont worry about the queen birtyh ability, i didnt know how to make the inventory come up. so i added that ability to the buttons of the queen. but it can be removed since the button shows up anyway on top of the ui |
| 21:44.41 | Helral | anyone need some help with something? |
| 21:45.33 | heysparky | Krakarn... was that to me? |
| 21:45.39 | `3ICE | Check this out... Blizzard has a psd file RENAMED to jpg in their artworks... What a rookie mistake! http://us.media.blizzard.com/starcraft2/images/artwork/ss109-hires.jpg |
| 21:45.42 | Krakarn | heysparky ye |
| 21:45.43 | depthsofchaos | ye tell me how to build on unpathable terrain :o |
| 21:45.47 | `3ICE | (instead of converted) |
| 21:45.55 | Krakarn | heysparky did the map help you? |
| 21:46.51 | Pierro | my space farming is going well !! |
| 21:46.57 | ekcolnvkol | oh my god |
| 21:47.05 | ekcolnvkol | the daytime lighting on my map is INCREDIBLE |
| 21:47.06 | `3ICE | god reporting. |
| 21:47.08 | heysparky | Ah, I can't open it. I get an error. I PMed you a second ago |
| 21:47.12 | ekcolnvkol | AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH |
| 21:47.52 | heysparky | Space farming... what're you doing, Pierro? |
| 21:47.53 | vjeux | `3ICE: there are no cool layers or anything in that psd :( |
| 21:48.11 | `3ICE | Still, its 12MB :) |
| 21:48.14 | Pierro | a profit map |
| 21:48.18 | vjeux | it's 6meg :p |
| 21:48.21 | Coding_Newb | where can i modify the selection priority? (when it selects 2 different unit/structure, select the one with higher priority) |
| 21:48.24 | `3ICE | photoshop says 12 |
| 21:48.26 | Pierro | a man got a piece of land |
| 21:48.31 | Pierro | and try to make money |
| 21:48.32 | vjeux | filesize says 6 :p |
| 21:48.40 | `3ICE | yeah photoshop is a liar |
| 21:48.47 | Zoxc | filesize > photoshop |
| 21:48.49 | `3ICE | probably compressed vs uncompressed size |
| 21:49.02 | depthsofchaos | damn no pathing area is possible to bug through :/ |
| 21:49.03 | depthsofchaos | annoying |
| 21:49.04 | Pierro | right now i am xworking on the growing part |
| 21:49.05 | Zoxc | probably memory usage in photoshop |
| 21:49.07 | Pierro | of my map |
| 21:49.08 | depthsofchaos | no chance making my map |
| 21:49.16 | vjeux | the image is 3591 * 1180 :p |
| 21:49.26 | EternalWraith | Progress going well ekcolnvkol?. I look forward to playing your map, seems interesting. |
| 21:49.39 | Pierro | i can even make my plants to grow during night or day |
| 21:50.32 | heysparky | cool Pierro |
| 21:50.46 | Pierro | but actually the day and night thing won't be used |
| 21:51.03 | vjeux | make a youtube video :) |
| 21:51.14 | Pierro | who ? |
| 21:52.24 | vjeux | you |
| 21:52.26 | `3ICE | everyone! |
| 21:52.46 | nicoli_s | not you, that guy over there |
| 21:52.48 | nicoli_s | by that thing |
| 21:52.53 | Pierro | there is nothing to see right now just a plant growing from 0.4 scale to 1 in 32 sec |
| 21:53.06 | `3ICE | good enough |
| 21:53.09 | `3ICE | make a vid :) |
| 21:53.27 | nicoli_s | pierro:do you just scale it, or do you also move it upwards? |
| 21:53.42 | `3ICE | flying plant! (jk) |
| 21:53.53 | Pierro | i m just scaling the model using the actor event |
| 21:54.12 | Pierro | with the setscale things |
| 21:54.17 | Pierro | for one pklant |
| 21:54.31 | Pierro | for the other i use multiply scale |
| 21:54.43 | Pierro | by 1.03 each time the effect apply |
| 21:55.13 | Pierro | it renders quite well |
| 21:55.17 | `3ICE | StarCraft2 made me sign up for Facebook :( |
| 21:55.47 | Zoxc | fail @`3ICE |
| 21:56.01 | Pierro | why did u ask nicoli_s ? |
| 21:56.36 | ekcolnvkol | ZA WARUDO |
| 21:56.39 | johanw123 | does triggered spells with wait triggers and a bunch of setting unit variables and triggering unit etc work if several people use it at the same time or does that fuck things up? |
| 21:57.07 | `3ICE | using local variables is the key to MUI spells |
| 21:57.22 | johanw123 | yea they'r local so i should be fine right? |
| 21:57.29 | `3ICE | yup, but go ahead and try :) |
| 21:57.41 | Twiner | if you need globals for some reason, then you have to make a variable for each player |
| 21:57.58 | `3ICE | Twiner means array |
| 21:58.06 | vjeux | http://paste.sc2mapster.com/2116/ |
| 21:58.08 | johanw123 | yea got it :P wont be needed tho ^^ |
| 21:58.08 | Twiner | its the same thing |
| 21:58.09 | vjeux | omg look at that trigger :x |
| 21:58.10 | Coding_Newb | how does the subgroup priority work..the higher the number the more priority? |
| 21:58.16 | Twiner | I mean, there are differences |
| 21:58.41 | Twiner | sighs |
| 21:59.11 | Jum-Jum | lol funny looking trigger :D |
| 21:59.19 | vjeux | when the trigger gets out the window this should indicate that it's not the way to do it :X |
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| 22:00.52 | Pierro | Do you think it s possible to make a Dune 2 energy system? |
| 22:01.09 | vjeux | explain it please |
| 22:01.17 | Jum-Jum | What power system? |
| 22:01.22 | Pierro | a generator supply X energy |
| 22:01.30 | Pierro | building use y energy |
| 22:01.32 | Jum-Jum | well you can create custom resources |
| 22:01.38 | Pierro | per sec |
| 22:01.54 | Jum-Jum | I dont know how to do it, but im sure you can do it |
| 22:02.03 | Pierro | if x < y then building switch off |
| 22:02.19 | Pierro | like in C&C i think |
| 22:02.46 | Twiner | buildings have a custom value you could use to do that |
| 22:02.52 | Twiner | units I should say |
| 22:02.53 | Pierro | i guess it is doable with trigger |
| 22:03.03 | EternalWraith | Pierro, In GE, just about anything is possible I believe. That does not sound too hard |
| 22:03.11 | Twiner | I feel like you could do it in the data editor |
| 22:03.36 | Helral | @depths: I assume it was building off of a cliff that didn't work? |
| 22:03.43 | Pierro | i m making a watering system |
| 22:04.01 | Pierro | and watering devices need energy !! |
| 22:04.06 | Sholdak | pierro: isnt that system just like food... |
| 22:04.25 | Sholdak | or supply rather |
| 22:04.32 | Pierro | not exactly |
| 22:04.50 | Pierro | generator give a certain amoutn of energy / seconde |
| 22:05.08 | Sholdak | oh ok |
| 22:05.09 | Pierro | and other building use a certain amount of energy / second |
| 22:06.00 | gwho | can someone explain "picked player"? |
| 22:06.06 | gwho | that function has to have a reference right? |
| 22:06.15 | RickA | Its only used after the action |
| 22:06.21 | RickA | Pick Each Player in Group |
| 22:06.57 | Sholdak | if you absolutely dont want to do it with triggers, you can make a global aura that acts only on buildings |
| 22:07.05 | Sholdak | and applies a buff that allows them to function |
| 22:07.10 | Pierro | but i ll be able to figure it out my self i guess. An other question. Could someone give me hints on how to make a simple AI or something that make a unit to harvest plants and bring them to a building ? |
| 22:07.30 | Sholdak | then have the building apply a buff only on the generators |
| 22:07.31 | RickA | Do you want actual AI or trigger-simulated AI? |
| 22:07.51 | Sholdak | that would lower their energy |
| 22:08.07 | Sholdak | if generator energy < 0, then they stop applying their activation aura |
| 22:08.13 | Sholdak | something like that would work i think |
| 22:08.28 | Pierro | RickA : i don't know :) |
| 22:08.35 | EternalWraith | Pierro, its pretty obvious you doing CnC?. Remake of CnC4?:p |
| 22:08.36 | Pierro | Sholdak : thx |
| 22:08.47 | gwho | what am i doing wrong here with picked players? http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/7934/65626559.png |
| 22:08.48 | Jum-Jum | whatcha making Pierro, it sounds interesting :P |
| 22:08.53 | Pierro | EternalWraith : no |
| 22:08.58 | Pierro | :) |
| 22:09.32 | Twiner | can you get the current position of the mouse while the mouse is down? |
| 22:09.37 | Jum-Jum | gwho: Move the ally trigger to the actions? |
| 22:09.39 | Pierro | the generator thing will be easy i think. |
| 22:09.52 | Jum-Jum | or what |
| 22:09.53 | Pierro | What afraid me is the AI for the harvesting robot |
| 22:09.54 | RickA | gwho, you need to nest your actions inside th epick |
| 22:10.04 | gwho | which actions? |
| 22:10.14 | RickA | everything below the pick each player action |
| 22:10.21 | RickA | select them all |
| 22:10.26 | RickA | then drag them onto the action |
| 22:10.46 | Pierro | I was thinking of making the robot carries the plants like an overlord or medivac |
| 22:10.52 | RickA | Pierro: Does it need to be a specific building or any building with a dropoff point |
| 22:11.10 | Jum-Jum | overlord would look cool Pierro, you could use the animation from when overlords creep :P |
| 22:11.20 | Jum-Jum | actually I guess you could add that to the medivac aswell |
| 22:11.28 | gwho | i tested that the enemy treatment works no matter where it's placed, but the visibliity and camera triggers are not working |
| 22:11.31 | Pierro | RickA : It will be a specific building |
| 22:11.46 | Pierro | the Plant Processing building |
| 22:11.48 | Jcup | Guys can I get help with this x.x http://forums.sc2mapster.com/development/map-development/3808-okay-bullets-hit-once-please/ |
| 22:11.59 | Jum-Jum | yeah thats because its not in the Actions of your group event gwho, do like RickA said |
| 22:11.59 | RickA | Are you going to be harvesting actual resources? |
| 22:12.00 | gwho | oh |
| 22:12.01 | gwho | im a retard |
| 22:12.12 | gwho | desired actions are not under there |
| 22:12.13 | gwho | ty |
| 22:12.16 | Pierro | Jum-Jum ; Not the Overlord unit just the ability of carrying units |
| 22:12.33 | Pierro | RickA ; No they are not ressources |
| 22:12.50 | RickA | Alright, here's what I would do |
| 22:12.51 | `3ICE | I'd like to point out that the corrent way to spell teir is Tier. |
| 22:13.06 | Jcup | lol |
| 22:13.17 | Jcup | the correct way to spell correct is correct :P |
| 22:13.19 | RickA | Trigger 1: Check if cargo is full. If full, go to dropoff building |
| 22:13.22 | `3ICE | whatevs |
| 22:13.29 | Jcup | :3 sorry it was ironic |
| 22:13.33 | Jcup | I couldnt help myself |
| 22:13.33 | `3ICE | yeah :) <3 |
| 22:14.02 | RickA | Trigger 2: Is cargo empty? If not, is it next to dropoff building? If so, keep unloading cargo |
| 22:14.43 | RickA | Trigger 3: Is cargo empty? If so, search for the nearest resource and issue order (Smart command targetting resource) |
| 22:15.29 | RickA | Trigger 3 should also run if its not empty but not near the dropoff building |
| 22:15.42 | `3ICE | I'd like to further point out that pressing ALT+PrintScreen will not capture your taskbar. :) |
| 22:15.50 | RickA | I think that should do everything for you pierro. |
| 22:16.05 | Jcup | SHHH! haha |
| 22:16.12 | Jcup | :3 |
| 22:16.15 | RickA | It also does a greedy search, so it would pick 2 in the following example: |
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| 22:16.29 | Jcup | I didnt know that actually |
| 22:16.30 | RickA | 111111111 *unit* 2 |
| 22:16.37 | RickA | With spaces indicating distance to resource |
| 22:16.38 | Pierro | RickA ; thank you |
| 22:16.41 | Jcup | But ha I usually cut it out |
| 22:16.46 | Jcup | but i forgotted |
| 22:17.27 | Jcup | But besides that any idea on where to put the marker? |
| 22:18.52 | depthsofchaos | did anyone succeed with removing pathing restriction in game? |
| 22:18.57 | depthsofchaos | i use this and not working |
| 22:19.02 | depthsofchaos | PathingModify (lv_myreg, 0, false); |
| 22:19.04 | depthsofchaos | PathingUpdate (); |
| 22:19.58 | depthsofchaos | supposed to remove it in a region:o |
| 22:20.21 | Helral | @depths: is it about pathing on cliffs? |
| 22:20.48 | depthsofchaos | no just a pathing i added with brush |
| 22:21.00 | depthsofchaos | no pathing area |
| 22:21.33 | Pierro | there is a problem |
| 22:21.54 | Pierro | unit that don't move can't be carried |
| 22:22.54 | Pierro | Is it possible to make them object unit and then be carried in inventory ? |
| 22:23.03 | Pierro | by the robots ? |
| 22:24.31 | gwho | can i just use "for each player in player group" instead of "pick player in player group" + "picked player"? |
| 22:24.50 | RickA | Not a good idea, but you can |
| 22:24.58 | gwho | whats the diff? |
| 22:25.19 | depthsofchaos | nothing |
| 22:25.27 | RickA | If you're ever going to refer to which player is currently picked |
| 22:25.32 | RickA | you can only guess using integers |
| 22:25.52 | depthsofchaos | not rly theres a picked player global |
| 22:26.06 | gwho | but if u use pick each + picked player, u dont have to use integers? |
| 22:26.19 | gwho | erm. idk wat im talking about |
| 22:26.23 | RickA | Picked player is an integer that intelligently updates for you |
| 22:26.33 | depthsofchaos | and? |
| 22:27.08 | gwho | "for each player" just applies it to all in the group |
| 22:27.31 | gwho | so whats th ereason u like pick each player + picked player? |
| 22:27.42 | gwho | over the other |
| 22:27.53 | depthsofchaos | no reason its theee sameee |
| 22:28.22 | gwho | ic, "for each player" does seem like a shortcut to that other cmobo |
| 22:29.14 | MotiveMe | two ways of doing the same thing |
| 22:29.32 | MotiveMe | I prefer (Picked Player) because you can't break it by doing something stupid like i = 0 in the middle of the loop |
| 22:29.35 | gwho | it seems like u still need to select "picked player" even if u do "for each player" |
| 22:29.38 | MotiveMe | It reminds me of iterators |
| 22:29.38 | Helral | @gwho: "for each player in player group" requires a local variable. "pick player in player group" uses picked player as the variable. |
| 22:29.45 | Helral | that's the only difference that I know off. |
| 22:29.51 | gwho | ooooo |
| 22:29.52 | gwho | ty |
| 22:29.59 | gwho | so pick each is just better |
| 22:30.03 | MotiveMe | Neither is better. |
| 22:30.09 | Helral | depends how long your actions are. |
| 22:30.10 | gwho | harder to break if u mess up |
| 22:30.12 | MotiveMe | It's like using your left hand or your right hand. |
| 22:30.13 | MotiveMe | :/ |
| 22:30.16 | depthsofchaos | im not sure tho if picked player i a global variable |
| 22:30.17 | MotiveMe | They both can do the same thing. |
| 22:30.17 | gwho | ic |
| 22:30.18 | depthsofchaos | someone said it |
| 22:30.22 | Helral | Picked player is global. |
| 22:30.24 | depthsofchaos | if its a global dont useit |
| 22:30.32 | MotiveMe | There's nothing wrong with using globals :P |
| 22:30.38 | Helral | so it is only usefull if you're doing short actions. |
| 22:30.43 | gwho | isn't picked player always in reference to the defined group? |
| 22:30.43 | Helral | like setting a single variable. |
| 22:30.43 | MotiveMe | I don't see how that applies? |
| 22:30.52 | depthsofchaos | 2 triggers using picked player will infterfere |
| 22:30.55 | Helral | it's to prevent corruption. |
| 22:30.56 | MotiveMe | No they won't. |
| 22:31.02 | depthsofchaos | why ? |
| 22:31.03 | MotiveMe | Galaxy doesn't actually have multiple threads. |
| 22:31.09 | depthsofchaos | it does actually |
| 22:31.11 | MotiveMe | It's all an illusion. |
| 22:31.13 | MotiveMe | It doesn't. |
| 22:31.15 | Helral | some people already had 2 triggers interfere using picked player. |
| 22:31.32 | MotiveMe | If you use bad coding practices like using waits it can. |
| 22:31.35 | gwho | my trigger didnt' work if i if i didn't reference a group, when using "picked player" |
| 22:31.39 | depthsofchaos | illusion? |
| 22:31.40 | Helral | because it was picked player bla bla bla wait 0.1 game seconds bla bla bla . |
| 22:31.52 | depthsofchaos | i tested it and there are multiple threads |
| 22:31.53 | MotiveMe | If you do little bits of the work every 0.1 seconds and switch between multiple jobs |
| 22:31.59 | MotiveMe | it appears like you're using threads. |
| 22:32.09 | MotiveMe | Galaxy does not have multiple threads. |
| 22:32.24 | MotiveMe | I've already confirmed it with a developer and my own testing. |
| 22:32.32 | MotiveMe | It wouldn't make sense if it did anyways |
| 22:32.41 | Helral | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:32.42 | MotiveMe | then some malicious idiot map maker could just spawn threads infinitely and kill people's computers. |
| 22:32.45 | MotiveMe | It's not a real thread :P |
| 22:32.58 | depthsofchaos | you could just spawn units and kill it :o |
| 22:33.08 | gwho | is there a place where u can activate a player to zoom innout with the middle mouse scroll? or do u have to write triggers for that? |
| 22:33.12 | Helral | @Motive: real threads don't exist mate. |
| 22:33.19 | MotiveMe | It's not a real OS-level thread |
| 22:33.39 | depthsofchaos | doesnt matter variables can still interfere |
| 22:33.40 | MotiveMe | It's an abstraction that just sets the bool in "wait" to false when using TriggerExecute |
| 22:33.46 | MotiveMe | Variables can interfere, if you're using waits |
| 22:34.02 | MotiveMe | or if you're using unnecessary threads |
| 22:34.05 | MotiveMe | "threads"* |
| 22:34.30 | Jcup | http://forums.sc2mapster.com/development/map-development/3808-okay-bullets-hit-once-please/ Can anyone help please |
| 22:35.11 | MotiveMe | In practice, you won't have a problem with interfering globals unless you're doing something very bad. |
| 22:35.12 | depthsofchaos | motive not only with waits but whatever |
| 22:35.36 | MotiveMe | From what I understand, all events and such are occuring in the same thread context so they can't really overlap. |
| 22:35.56 | depthsofchaos | kill a unit when it enters a region |
| 22:36.00 | MotiveMe | Unless you start doing bad things like having triggers that run infinitely |
| 22:36.02 | depthsofchaos | and use a boolean to test it |
| 22:36.06 | MotiveMe | without a separate isolated "thread" |
| 22:36.14 | `3ICE | I hate triggers that run infinitely. :) |
| 22:36.24 | `3ICE | have** omg what a typo |
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| 22:36.58 | MotiveMe | You're safe using (Picked Player) in almost every possible case. I wouldn't recommend not using it just because of that. |
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| 22:37.16 | MotiveMe | You only need to isolate new threads you spawn, unless you're doing very bad things to begin with. |
| 22:37.39 | Nooblet | Hey everyone, How do i set the unit immage. What i mean is i duplicated a hydralisk to make an advanced one and changed some things and its name. When i place it, its just the spaceless ball. What do i do? |
| 22:37.46 | depthsofchaos | anyway can anyone get this work?:o |
| 22:37.46 | MotiveMe | For example, if I had a trigger that was running in it's own thread 24/7 changing some values on picked players, I'd use For Each. |
| 22:37.49 | depthsofchaos | const int c_pathingNoPathing = 0; |
| 22:37.51 | depthsofchaos | const int c_pathingNoBuilding = 1; |
| 22:37.51 | MotiveMe | But otherwise, Picked Player is fine. |
| 22:37.52 | depthsofchaos | const int c_pathingGround = 2; |
| 22:37.54 | depthsofchaos | native void PathingModify (region inArea, int inType, bool inAdd); |
| 22:37.55 | depthsofchaos | native void PathingUpdate (); |
| 22:38.55 | Nooblet | Hey everyone, How do i set the unit immage. What i mean is i duplicated a hydralisk to make an advanced one and changed some things and its name. When i place it, its just the spaceless ball. What do i do? |
| 22:38.58 | MotiveMe | <depthsofchaos> PathingModify (lv_myreg, 0, false); <-- try 'true'? |
| 22:39.17 | depthsofchaos | tryed not workin :( |
| 22:39.25 | depthsofchaos | my map depends on it pretty much :o |
| 22:40.47 | MotiveMe | Have you tried other values? |
| 22:40.53 | MotiveMe | Like 1? |
| 22:41.28 | Nooblet | Can anyone help me? |
| 22:41.47 | EternalWraith | Nooblet, there are guides to that on mapster. Try a search |
| 22:42.00 | depthsofchaos | ye aint working seems its broken |
| 22:42.16 | Nooblet | Because i hate searching when someone could easily tell me |
| 22:42.55 | heysparky | Nooblet, there are some good tutorials at the SC2mapster site, and it's not that easy to explain, but the short version is that what you call a unit is actually comprised of several different data entities |
| 22:42.59 | Helral | @Nooblet: Create an actor with the same name. |
| 22:43.04 | heysparky | the unit, which contains stuff like HP |
| 22:43.14 | heysparky | the actor, which contains the art and stuff |
| 22:43.34 | Nooblet | ok |
| 22:43.52 | heysparky | and other related stuff - the key with getting an actor assigned to a unit is making sure that the actor's token is set (this is at the top of data) |
| 22:44.08 | heysparky | (top of the data list, it has a special entry) |
| 22:44.20 | Nooblet | Could you find me the tutorial?? :P |
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| 22:45.14 | xgalaxy | roflmao @ futurama |
| 22:45.21 | heysparky | This is where tons of good map-building info is |
| 22:45.22 | heysparky | http://forums.sc2mapster.com/development/ |
| 22:45.54 | heysparky | There's a forum just for tutorials, and I recommend searching on 'duplicate unit' or something like that |
| 22:45.57 | depthsofchaos | anyone did dynamic pathing? |
| 22:46.06 | depthsofchaos | block part of the map the enable them |
| 22:47.28 | wOlfLinG | I need some help with a map design. Im thinking of making a more hands-off sc2 map where you choose what units to send in and where, then spawned units attack-move from there. Eg, zerg creates nydus worms and a random unit spawns from one every x seconds, protoss sends in a warp prism which warps in a unit and im not sure about terran. Maybe mule drops at a beacon. So, any ideas on how i could make this better? Its a bit rubbish |
| 22:48.18 | heysparky | hmm... so (don't bash) like DOTA, but you tell your npcs where to go? |
| 22:48.21 | depthsofchaos | make the uberlisk unburrow at their base? |
| 22:49.28 | Triceron | I had that sort of idea for a macro RPG, where you have to continuously spawn units and tell em where to go |
| 22:49.54 | heysparky | depthsofchaos, I'm looking at your reaperaura and I see one chief difference between the two - and probably why this doesn't work on my end... |
| 22:50.00 | Triceron | you get unlimited resources but your units are weak, and you gotta take down a boss by pure overwhelming |
| 22:50.32 | depthsofchaos | once chief? |
| 22:51.09 | heysparky | but I can't get around it... in my jump search, the marker is pointing at a different effect than the jumpsearch... and I can't find my abilitiy in the list of effects to select... |
| 22:51.28 | heysparky | jumpsearch > Markers > Link |
| 22:51.38 | vjeux | I just had an idea of map |
| 22:51.44 | vjeux | a pve instance like in wow |
| 22:51.45 | depthsofchaos | markers arent involved at all |
| 22:51.54 | depthsofchaos | leave them |
| 22:52.10 | heysparky | that's the only difference |
| 22:52.18 | heysparky | so I'm not sure what's not working |
| 22:52.50 | heysparky | well, the only one I've spotted so far... :) |
| 22:54.13 | wOlfLinG | So im thinking a 2v2, FFA or 1v1 kind of map, with a HQ with things like scan etc |
| 22:54.33 | wOlfLinG | and you just call units to the centre and tell them the direction to attack in |
| 22:56.02 | wOlfLinG | btw, is it possible to install sc1 onto a memory stick so me and my bro can play LAn, but him using the memory stick version? He doesnt want me installing things on his PC. Although after last time i dont blame him xD |
| 22:56.20 | depthsofchaos | theres a portable version |
| 22:56.33 | heysparky | aha! depthsofchaos - it was the search effect - I had the impact location set differently works now! |
| 22:56.39 | heysparky | thanks! |
| 22:56.49 | depthsofchaos | np:) |
| 22:57.06 | heysparky | and - awesome - by eating toxic waste my queen can 'learn' cliff-jumping! |
| 22:57.10 | Jcup | immmm sorry butttt can anyone help http://forums.sc2mapster.com/development/map-development/3808-okay-bullets-hit-once-please/ |
| 22:57.16 | Helral | @Wolfling: just copy it to the memory stick. also copy the install.exe from the cd and rename it to brooddat.mpq or something. it's on blizzards site |
| 22:57.23 | heysparky | converserly she can regurgitate the waste and forget it.... |
| 22:57.32 | wOlfLinG | Well, im installing it now anyway. My 2 gb mem stick already had 1.2 gb of BW files already xD. So i moved the installer files and am installing |
| 22:57.41 | Helral | in the patch notes. |
| 22:58.43 | Nooblet | How do i activate the tree effect while in data editor |
| 22:58.56 | Nooblet | OneTwo uses it alot but mine isnt there |
| 22:59.28 | wOlfLinG | View i think |
| 22:59.52 | depthsofchaos | jcup why not just put a behaviour on the unit and validate it? |
| 23:00.10 | Nooblet | found it |
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| 23:01.58 | wOlfLinG | omg, lol, a blue made a joke |
| 23:02.24 | wOlfLinG | and theres 2 blue posts next to each other. And not by the same guy |
| 23:02.25 | Jum-Jum | call the news! |
| 23:02.36 | wOlfLinG | Heres the historic thread http://forums.battle.net/thread.html?sid=5010&topicId=25482058179 |
| 23:02.41 | wOlfLinG | *faints* |
| 23:04.31 | johanw123 | wtf, emp missiles rly act strange when fired from a unit at 1000 height down on the group o.O |
| 23:05.12 | depthsofchaos | like? |
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| 23:05.26 | johanw123 | like omg flying around random looping in the air ;s |
| 23:05.52 | heysparky | Nooblet, did you find it? |
| 23:05.53 | johanw123 | speeding up slowing down random |
| 23:05.55 | jayruy | is there a way to paste text back into a + field in the data editor after using "Copy as Text" to extract it? |
| 23:06.13 | Nooblet | heysparky Yes i did, Thank you. |
| 23:06.46 | depthsofchaos | well try changing the move to something linear |
| 23:06.51 | depthsofchaos | *mover |
| 23:06.56 | rrowland | That voting system looks pretty unorganized... and we need to vote with facebook by liking? |
| 23:07.06 | vjeux | yep rrowland |
| 23:07.10 | vjeux | it sucks |
| 23:07.19 | vjeux | but well, the easiest way to go :( |
| 23:07.30 | vjeux | if you have suggestions to make it better, go ahead :) |
| 23:07.33 | depthsofchaos | just read the result backwards :p |
| 23:07.34 | Sixen | Has anyone played Nexus Wars? |
| 23:07.39 | Triceron | it's a pretty meaningless fan thing |
| 23:07.46 | depthsofchaos | vjeux, have the moderators vote |
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| 23:07.51 | depthsofchaos | and make it count 5 times |
| 23:07.52 | depthsofchaos | or 10 |
| 23:07.54 | Sixen | lol |
| 23:07.58 | rrowland | Also can't you vote on mutliple? |
| 23:08.03 | vjeux | you can |
| 23:08.08 | rrowland | Since there's no limit on how many +likes you can do |
| 23:08.52 | rrowland | Who made this site? Is it curse-hosted? |
| 23:08.53 | vjeux | depthsofchaos: the goal is to promote the content made for the contest |
| 23:09.04 | vjeux | I made it |
| 23:09.20 | Sixen | vjeux made it, unrelated to curse though |
| 23:09.24 | vjeux | I wasn't going to release it just yet but I didn't know what to do with the 35 submissions :x |
| 23:09.24 | rrowland | ah |
| 23:09.50 | rrowland | I like the graphics, wish I could make shit like that |
| 23:09.56 | depthsofchaos | i understand vjeux but if a crappy spell wins that laggs the game and is totally inefficient its not the best material to learn from |
| 23:10.01 | rrowland | I can lay it out, can't make the art though |
| 23:10.24 | rrowland | I'm totally right-brained lol |
| 23:10.33 | Triceron | made what? |
| 23:10.43 | rrowland | sc2movie.com |
| 23:10.48 | Triceron | ooh |
| 23:11.13 | vjeux | (profet, the guy that did the new mapster design also did sc2movie design) |
| 23:11.15 | rrowland | Oooh tiled background fail :P |
| 23:11.29 | Sixen | Yeah |
| 23:11.31 | Sixen | I saw that too :P |
| 23:11.53 | vjeux | depthsofchaos: the goal of the contest is mostly to show people that the data editor is awesome |
| 23:12.11 | vjeux | and make people say: "WoW, we can do that with it!!! Let's give it a try" |
| 23:12.21 | Repo | New map: http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/taucross/. taucross. Madkipz (Manager/Author). Approved by sanktanglia. |
| 23:12.31 | vjeux | more than having spells that are copy & pastable in your map |
| 23:12.39 | Triceron | hah! you said WoW |
| 23:13.04 | rrowland | lol this temporal generator one must have taken forever to make |
| 23:13.41 | depthsofchaos | it has 30 actor events to handle the rotation xD |
| 23:13.46 | rrowland | TOO complex imo :P |
| 23:13.48 | depthsofchaos | while he could do it with 1 |
| 23:14.12 | rrowland | Looks cool at least |
| 23:14.13 | rrowland | :P |
| 23:14.20 | depthsofchaos | indeed |
| 23:14.58 | rrowland | I'm not sure what the deal with the portal gun is though |
| 23:14.59 | Sixen | Can anyone do me a favor? :| |
| 23:15.21 | rrowland | Maybe |
| 23:15.32 | Sixen | I need someone who has played Nexus Wars to send me the map |
| 23:15.39 | rrowland | Ew why |
| 23:15.48 | depthsofchaos | the portal gun is a bit buggy |
| 23:15.49 | Sixen | Just search *.s2ma on your computer and zip 'em all up. I'll find the right one myself. |
| 23:16.04 | rrowland | I just don't think it's a big deal |
| 23:16.14 | rrowland | It just moves a unit from one spot to another |
| 23:16.16 | depthsofchaos | it isnt :o |
| 23:16.32 | depthsofchaos | i wonder how could you do it in data editor |
| 23:16.39 | depthsofchaos | to identify which portal belongs to the other |
| 23:16.47 | depthsofchaos | if a player has more than 1 gun |
| 23:16.50 | rrowland | Portal was cool because of the unique things you could do with it by manipulating physical forces |
| 23:17.26 | rrowland | These are just teleport pads, nothing like portal imo |
| 23:18.04 | rrowland | I like your entry though lol |
| 23:18.40 | rrowland | Having to shoot the energy balls |
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| 23:19.15 | depthsofchaos | i will try if its useable online:o |
| 23:19.20 | depthsofchaos | the delay might ruin it |
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| 23:20.56 | Helral | anyone know how to make a unit hidden in Fog of War. |
| 23:21.03 | Helral | like a command center ;p |
| 23:21.14 | Alpha_vst | modeling is kinda fun 0.o |
| 23:21.24 | Alpha_vst | once you understand how to use things :P |
| 23:21.34 | Sixen | :P |
| 23:22.09 | rrowland | Guh |
| 23:22.11 | depthsofchaos | rowland those boss batles will be popular you made im sure ^^ |
| 23:22.23 | rrowland | Yeah the fight is |
| 23:22.29 | rrowland | The spells themselves aren't really |
| 23:22.31 | depthsofchaos | you should make dungeons :o |
| 23:22.37 | rrowland | Well |
| 23:22.48 | rrowland | I've got 2 in-demand projects I should work on |
| 23:22.49 | wOlfLinG | btw, is there a blender exporter? Because i have a friend who is a self proclaimed 'expert' at it and id like models for a map |
| 23:22.52 | rrowland | And then one that I want to work on |
| 23:22.53 | rrowland | lol |
| 23:23.10 | rrowland | I want to work on sniper wars, but people seem to like the boss fights and the AI more |
| 23:23.23 | rrowland | Right now I'm revamping sniper wars |
| 23:23.27 | rrowland | Like completely |
| 23:23.46 | depthsofchaos | i find it better not to stick to 1 map in the beginning |
| 23:24.10 | rrowland | I have this weird kind of long-term ADD lol |
| 23:24.16 | rrowland | I get bored of one project and jump to another |
| 23:24.22 | wOlfLinG | personally im making around 5 bigish maps at the same time xD |
| 23:24.45 | rrowland | Right now sniper wars is the flavor of the week |
| 23:24.49 | rrowland | Next week maybe AI |
| 23:25.11 | wOlfLinG | My squad arena, Zombie invasion, my new 3rd person strategy map and a hero map that may become a dota type map |
| 23:25.15 | depthsofchaos | did you make that ai only in galaxy ? |
| 23:25.17 | rrowland | Last week was do nothing productive and play HoN all week flavor |
| 23:25.24 | Sixen | lol |
| 23:25.51 | vjeux | I'm installing LoL, I really think i'm making a mistake :p |
| 23:25.56 | rrowland | You are |
| 23:25.59 | rrowland | There's no denying |
| 23:26.10 | rrowland | The skill cap is slightly above tic tac toe |
| 23:26.31 | vjeux | lol |
| 23:26.40 | rrowland | HoN is the best route imo, $30 and no sub |
| 23:26.59 | rrowland | You get the same elitist losers in both communities |
| 23:27.13 | vjeux | LoL is free :p |
| 23:27.17 | vjeux | best part of it xD |
| 23:27.24 | rrowland | Yeah if you don't mind only playing 1 character a week |
| 23:27.31 | johanw123 | HoN >>>>>>> LoL |
| 23:27.35 | wOlfLinG | lol is ok for a game every now and then, but gets boring |
| 23:27.35 | rrowland | And you guys have jobs you can afford $30 lol |
| 23:27.51 | rrowland | If you played dota and you didn't suck |
| 23:27.54 | rrowland | You won't like LoL |
| 23:28.23 | johanw123 | HoN is awesome! :p |
| 23:28.25 | vjeux | I want a game playable with a trackpad :p |
| 23:28.39 | rrowland | HoN is basically just dota with better graphics, new improvements, new heroes |
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| 23:28.44 | Sixen | DotA ftw. |
| 23:28.45 | rrowland | And matchmaking |
| 23:28.57 | rrowland | And measures against leavers |
| 23:29.08 | rrowland | And the ability to reconnect |
| 23:29.38 | rrowland | And modding |
| 23:29.40 | Helral | so anyone got any idea about preventing a building from being shown in the fog? |
| 23:29.40 | rrowland | The list goes on |
| 23:29.59 | johanw123 | i cant stand the shopping system in dota after playing hon :x |
| 23:30.04 | rrowland | I don't, sorry helral |
| 23:30.14 | casperb | Helral: talking FoW or just 3d fog? |
| 23:30.22 | Helral | Fog of War. |
| 23:30.32 | rrowland | Okay so my sniper wars triggers are all packed into my map, is there any easy way to stuff them into a mod? |
| 23:30.40 | depthsofchaos | you mean after they see it you wnat it to disappear? |
| 23:30.55 | Helral | yup. |
| 23:30.57 | rrowland | And do my mod libraries count toward my map's 2mb triggers? |
| 23:30.59 | Triceron | we should get a bunch of guys together |
| 23:31.02 | Triceron | and make an uber campaign |
| 23:31.05 | depthsofchaos | sec i saw that setting somewhere :o |
| 23:31.13 | casperb | rrowland: copy paste into a library, import the library in the mod |
| 23:31.31 | Helral | they walk into it with LoS. the building is there. they walk away, Building isn't in LoS anymore. building isn't visible on map anymore. |
| 23:31.48 | casperb | FoW data maybe |
| 23:31.48 | depthsofchaos | actor/fog visibility |
| 23:32.26 | rrowland | And if I want to edit my mod while I'm working on my map, do I have to switch between open files? |
| 23:32.37 | Helral | thx. I couldn't find it anymore :S found it now |
| 23:33.12 | Helral | hmmmm |
| 23:33.15 | casperb | rrowland: yep |
| 23:33.31 | rrowland | Lame |
| 23:34.07 | depthsofchaos | casper the dynamic pathing seting you said didnt work for me :/ |
| 23:34.11 | depthsofchaos | did you test it? |
| 23:34.28 | casperb | yeah did a flying platform thingy with it |
| 23:34.56 | depthsofchaos | i use these settings: PathingModify(lv_myreg, 0,true); |
| 23:34.58 | depthsofchaos | PathingUpdate(); |
| 23:35.00 | depthsofchaos | and not working |
| 23:35.15 | depthsofchaos | this is to add unpathable areas |
| 23:36.19 | casperb | const int c_pathingNoPathing = 0; const int c_pathingNoBuilding = 1; const int c_pathingGround = 2; |
| 23:36.36 | depthsofchaos | do i have to declare these? |
| 23:36.44 | depthsofchaos | are they native? |
| 23:36.51 | casperb | natives |
| 23:37.18 | Helral | @depths: :( Actor - Fog VisibilityHidden <-- didn't help :( |
| 23:37.33 | casperb | depthsofchaos: so it's type of pathing, and add/remove |
| 23:38.03 | depthsofchaos | yeah i want to add unpathable to that region |
| 23:38.06 | depthsofchaos | but nothings hapening |
| 23:38.14 | depthsofchaos | helral i duno then it should be that |
| 23:38.25 | casperb | should be using c_pathingGround |
| 23:38.36 | Hati | ps3 gamepads are way to small >.< |
| 23:38.45 | depthsofchaos | oh ok gona text thx |
| 23:38.48 | rrowland | Hmm |
| 23:38.59 | rrowland | Any way to set the name of my mod? So it doesn't show up blank |
| 23:39.03 | rrowland | In the dependency list |
| 23:39.04 | Hati | rrowland |
| 23:39.08 | Hati | do mods as maps |
| 23:39.12 | Hati | first |
| 23:39.14 | heysparky | I want to make a unit hold position when idle in the data editor, possible? |
| 23:39.19 | Hati | and remove the terrain stuff on "publishing" |
| 23:39.21 | casperb | Pain to get rid off terrain tho Hati |
| 23:39.28 | Hati | why |
| 23:39.33 | Hati | you know what is part of terrain |
| 23:39.45 | Jcup | >.< can anyboooty help mah http://forums.sc2mapster.com/development/map-development/3808-okay-bullets-hit-once-please/ |
| 23:39.46 | casperb | Can end up corrupt |
| 23:39.50 | Hati | yeah true |
| 23:39.50 | rrowland | I want to get a feel for doing it right |
| 23:40.01 | Hati | but otherway it can corrupt too |
| 23:40.06 | Jcup | heysparky yes it is |
| 23:40.11 | Hati | if you change the file in mpq |
| 23:40.20 | Hati | which handles author,name,desc and so on |
| 23:40.21 | rrowland | I don't want to touch the MPQs for this |
| 23:40.29 | casperb | rrowland: overview |
| 23:40.29 | Hati | you actually have to |
| 23:40.41 | casperb | nah |
| 23:40.41 | rrowland | Cool, there it is |
| 23:40.42 | rrowland | :) |
| 23:40.44 | rrowland | ty |
| 23:40.48 | casperb | mod name etc can be changed in the overview manager |
| 23:40.56 | Hati | oh right there's smth for it :O |
| 23:41.03 | Hati | good to know |
| 23:41.41 | Jcup | heysparky you give the unit a behavior that ticks however often and the periodic effect will be issue order move index of 3 i think and have validator checking to see if the unit is idle |
| 23:41.56 | Jcup | and wallah! |
| 23:42.47 | wOlfLinG | How do i get a nydus wom to unload a zergling every 1 second, and then when upgraded a hydra every 5 seconds? |
| 23:43.25 | casperb | trigger i guess? |
| 23:43.36 | casperb | just do conditions |
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| 23:44.09 | wOlfLinG | i want the animation to play when unloading. Would that be in triggers as well? |
| 23:44.29 | casperb | animation plays regardless |
| 23:45.05 | rrowland | Ahhh so many triggers to turn into modular libraries |
| 23:45.06 | wOlfLinG | ok |
| 23:45.08 | rrowland | ./wrists |
| 23:45.40 | rrowland | They're all spaghetti-coded |
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| 23:48.32 | *** mode/#sc2mapster [+v Beider] by ChanServ |
| 23:48.38 | Sixen | Hai Beider |
| 23:48.40 | Beider | hey |
| 23:48.49 | Beider | just came by to mention |
| 23:48.56 | Beider | New Video Tutorial: Trigger Debugging: http://forums.sc2mapster.com/development/tutorials/3812-video-tutorial-trigger-debugging/ |
| 23:48.59 | Sixen | :) |
| 23:49.25 | Sixen | pfft |
| 23:49.28 | Beider | pfft? |
| 23:49.31 | Sixen | you didn't put sc2mapster in the descriptiong :P |
| 23:49.38 | Beider | ops, I did mention it in the video though |
| 23:49.41 | Sixen | ah |
| 23:49.49 | Beider | but I'll slap it into description as well |
| 23:49.55 | Sixen | :) |
| 23:51.12 | Soudeus | very nice spell contest, just voted |
| 23:51.34 | Beider | there you go, now you are in description as well :P |
| 23:51.43 | Beider | Just so tired of people sending me mails with the same questions over and over |
| 23:51.45 | wOlfLinG | Right, so how do i force a nydus worm to have units in it? |
| 23:51.52 | Soudeus | good way to generate traffic eh? all these youtube videos and stuff, heh |
| 23:51.59 | Sixen | :) |
| 23:52.06 | Sixen | lol Beider |
| 23:52.13 | Beider | I get three mails a week saying my unit spawning tutorial doesn't work and every darn time I open their map they use 0 as array index instead of a variable |
| 23:52.22 | Sixen | hahahaha |
| 23:52.28 | casperb | wOlfLinG: create them as cargo units |
| 23:53.08 | Beider | now I shall look at these spell contest entries |
| 23:53.20 | Beider | Sixen: Make an ingame scripting language competition and I can enter :P |
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| 23:53.43 | heysparky | dangit - depthsofchaos - the jump aura doesn't work for me afterall, I had granted the jump ability to the unit and forgot to take it off before testing |
| 23:53.46 | Beider | is there any way on sc2movie to only see the spell contest entries? |
| 23:53.47 | heysparky | false positive |
| 23:53.50 | Sixen | In-game scripting? |
| 23:53.51 | wOlfLinG | how would i unload a certain unit? I can only find unload all |
| 23:54.02 | Sixen | They all have the Ability Tag, I believe. |
| 23:54.15 | Sixen | vjeux put a link up on the front page |
| 23:54.27 | casperb | wOlfLinG: you can only unload the first unit in the stack |
| 23:54.35 | Sixen | And Beider, what do you mean in-game scipritng? |
| 23:54.35 | depthsofchaos | huh |
| 23:54.40 | depthsofchaos | i tested it im sure |
| 23:54.44 | wOlfLinG | ah. So ill have to make a new nydus network for my hydras then |
| 23:54.50 | depthsofchaos | i couldnt jump until i went near the aura |
| 23:54.51 | Soudeus | http://sc2movie.com/tag/312-ability.html |
| 23:54.52 | casperb | no.. |
| 23:54.59 | Jcup | im totally spamming sorry D: http://forums.sc2mapster.com/development/map-development/3808-okay-bullets-hit-once-please/ Helppppp |
| 23:55.00 | casperb | spawn them just before unloading o.O |
| 23:55.16 | wOlfLinG | i could do that |
| 23:55.19 | heysparky | I know yours works |
| 23:55.20 | heysparky | mine doesn't |
| 23:55.24 | Beider | Sixen: it's something I made for my new map. Ever seen lego mindstorms? |
| 23:55.25 | depthsofchaos | casper, pathing aint working :/ could you send that map?:O |
| 23:55.27 | heysparky | trying to figure out how they differ |
| 23:55.30 | depthsofchaos | or link |
| 23:55.35 | Beider | You make scripts with icons to code the behavior of your unit |
| 23:55.50 | Sixen | Yeah, I had to build one for my Comp Science project :p |
| 23:55.51 | Beider | so you can do IF unithp < variable1 then cast heal |
| 23:56.03 | Sixen | That's interesting... |
| 23:56.17 | Beider | it's for my battlebots map |
| 23:56.20 | Sixen | Did you release the map yet or nah? |
| 23:56.27 | Beider | you buy a bot, buy items, then program the bot and fight other bots |
| 23:56.29 | Beider | nah not released yet |
| 23:56.34 | wOlfLinG | also, i still cant find the unload last created unit action :/ |
| 23:56.35 | Beider | still a few things left before it is ready for release |
| 23:56.52 | Beider | I hope to have a playable alpha version during next beta phase |
| 23:57.24 | Helral | @wolfing: issue order - order targeting unit: order - unload, unit - last created unit. |
| 23:57.25 | Soudeus | @beider, how customizable is the ingame "scripting"? |
| 23:57.47 | casperb | Depends on your needs :p |
| 23:57.51 | Beider | Soudeus: When I am done with it, it should have over 100 different commands at least |
| 23:58.01 | Soudeus | nice |
| 23:58.01 | Helral | nn all |
| 23:58.03 | casperb | ah nvm -.- |
| 23:58.06 | casperb | nn Helral |
| 23:58.13 | Beider | right now it got the basic structure. IF THEN ELSE, WHile, for loops, etc... Set variable, get variable, get property |
| 23:58.14 | Beider | etc... |
| 23:58.37 | Soudeus | i like hte concept |
| 23:58.51 | casperb | Hm reminds me of a flash game someone in #ruby wrote |
| 23:58.59 | Beider | also you can run threads on your bots :P So you can have one thread that searches for enemies and fires the weapon while the other one does the pathing |
| 23:59.10 | Beider | yeah there are plenty of games like that in java/flash |
| 23:59.13 | casperb | basically set up the FSM states then duked it out |
| 23:59.22 | Beider | yep |
| 23:59.28 | Beider | thats all it is, but it's fun :P |
| 23:59.30 | Soudeus | if it isnt customizable enough though seems it would quickly get to a point where everyone just looks up the best code or button combination to use to pwn all |
| 23:59.40 | Beider | implementing a career mode so your code is saved between plays |
| 23:59.56 | Beider | So you can work on your inventions over multiple plays |
