| 00:00.02 | finlay | it makes floating puddles |
| 00:00.05 | Pandepic | really cool idea |
| 00:00.06 | finlay | in the sky |
| 00:00.21 | casperb | finlay: how it's supposed to work |
| 00:00.34 | casperb | a water state has a set height |
| 00:00.45 | casperb | in this case your terrain is lower than the water |
| 00:00.48 | depthsofchaos | not my idea intirely, theres a similar weapon in unreal tournament :) |
| 00:00.55 | Pandepic | =P |
| 00:01.23 | Sixen | Yeah, shock rifle was awesome. |
| 00:01.24 | Sixen | :) |
| 00:01.25 | Pandepic | I like the idea of attacking the ball of energy to make it explode |
| 00:01.43 | `3ICE | casperb i can give you a key |
| 00:01.49 | depthsofchaos | i made it hard to hit so it takes skill :o |
| 00:01.49 | `3ICE | i have like 30 war3 keys |
| 00:01.54 | `3ICE | from friends who quit |
| 00:01.58 | Pandepic | haha |
| 00:02.05 | finlay | casperb: can I make the lowest level water? |
| 00:02.41 | AsaPhelps | is there a way to make a search area scale, like at first its 1, then it moves to 5 with a blend time? |
| 00:02.49 | casperb | `3ICE: heck yeah :D |
| 00:03.00 | depthsofchaos | nope |
| 00:03.12 | finlay | in Monlyth the lowest terrain level is water |
| 00:03.15 | depthsofchaos | you can connect increasing search areas with peristent effects |
| 00:03.19 | finlay | but I wanted a green texture :( |
| 00:03.31 | wOlfLinG | How do i increase the health bar size? My scale 2 hero looks really wierd with a scale 1 health bar :/ |
| 00:03.34 | casperb | finlay: water != terrain, so yes you can, just set it to around 0 height |
| 00:03.41 | depthsofchaos | wolf, in the actor |
| 00:03.46 | casperb | exact height depends on the cliff set |
| 00:04.39 | depthsofchaos | all clifset has like the same height and i couldnt change it :/ |
| 00:04.46 | finlay | casperb: you're saying I can sleect it or something and set the height? |
| 00:04.58 | finlay | cause I can't seem to |
| 00:05.09 | casperb | edit the water state of the water you're palcing |
| 00:05.11 | casperb | placing * |
| 00:05.43 | finlay | found it |
| 00:05.44 | heysparky | later folks |
| 00:05.44 | finlay | thanks |
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| 00:06.33 | casperb | depthsofchaos: level A varies in different cliffsets so you should be able to |
| 00:07.05 | depthsofchaos | but willl that change the model? |
| 00:07.31 | casperb | nah cliffmesh = model |
| 00:07.52 | Repo | New map: http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/spell-contest-frost-nova/. Spell Contest - Frost Nova. Slypoos (Manager/Author). Approved by Bifuu. |
| 00:07.57 | Repo | New map: http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/defenders/. Defenders. Paaage (Manager/Author). Approved by Bifuu. |
| 00:07.57 | casperb | cliffset has many cliffmeshes |
| 00:08.00 | Repo | New map: http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/temple-lore-neodym/. Temple of Lore (By Neodym). neodymSC (Manager/Author). Approved by Bifuu. |
| 00:08.07 | casperb | terrain set has many cliffsets |
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| 00:08.50 | Madkipz | Im trying to convert a broodwar map: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/images/thumb/3/3c/195_Tears_of_the_Moon.jpg/400px-195_Tears_of_the_Moon.jpg but the conversion tool gave me very little to work with and i eventually ended up with http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/6038/tearsofprotoss.jpg. and i feel i should rather than convert, start out from scratch and try to get the basic shape down without converting because it scewers |
| 00:08.51 | Bifuu | in the last 2 hours i got netflix and cancelled it |
| 00:08.54 | Bifuu | was epic |
| 00:09.26 | depthsofchaos | cliff meshes got a cliff height field |
| 00:09.30 | depthsofchaos | so thats only the model |
| 00:09.40 | depthsofchaos | but wheres the actual height |
| 00:10.12 | casperb | It's in there somewhere, can't remember 100% |
| 00:10.28 | casperb | Went through the entire stack of relationships to figure out terrain objects |
| 00:10.40 | casperb | Major waste of time since no one bothered to even read the post :P |
| 00:11.21 | depthsofchaos | on mapster?:o gona read it |
| 00:11.25 | depthsofchaos | thx |
| 00:11.26 | Dustin| | Wtf are terrain objects anyway |
| 00:11.36 | casperb | Just terrain decals more or less |
| 00:11.44 | Dustin | Ahh |
| 00:11.51 | casperb | Replacement geeometry for xy terrain cells |
| 00:12.01 | casperb | geometry* |
| 00:12.18 | casperb | depthsofchaos: yeah on the forums |
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| 00:12.42 | Dustin | Was it just me or did zerg hatchery have the only decals in the game? |
| 00:13.27 | casperb | Hm most melee buildings have some sort of decal uvw |
| 00:13.38 | depthsofchaos | explosions got decals dont they? |
| 00:13.50 | depthsofchaos | like nuke |
| 00:14.00 | casperb | they create actual actors i think |
| 00:14.23 | casperb | decals refer more to textures applied to a specific texture channel |
| 00:17.27 | AsaPhelps | I don't think the nuke crater is a actor is it? |
| 00:18.06 | casperb | would have to be? |
| 00:19.05 | Alpha_vst | does killing player return a int? |
| 00:19.09 | Atlos | im surprised the editor doesn't have terrain mirroring |
| 00:19.14 | Atlos | like SCMDraft did for SC1 |
| 00:19.26 | casperb | Atlos: copy paste rotate |
| 00:19.32 | Atlos | not the same thing |
| 00:19.35 | Atlos | and its harder |
| 00:19.37 | Atlos | to do it that way |
| 00:19.44 | AsaPhelps | looks like its part of the explosion |
| 00:19.53 | casperb | Alpha_vst: yeah |
| 00:20.06 | casperb | Alpha_vst: anything dealing with player is just an int index |
| 00:20.22 | Atlos | ok now that I've cooled off on losing 3-4 hours of triggering I guess I'll go start at it again :P |
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| 00:20.37 | casperb | Atleast your map still opens :P |
| 00:20.46 | Atlos | yours doesn't? :O |
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| 00:20.54 | Atlos | hey Beider |
| 00:21.02 | casperb | mine always end up crashing at arbitrary stages |
| 00:21.09 | Alpha_vst | ok just making sure :P |
| 00:21.16 | Alpha_vst | working on this custom value thing 0.o |
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| 00:21.43 | ZeroAme | Ygh |
| 00:21.46 | ZeroAme | ugh* |
| 00:22.05 | ZeroAme | For some reason my boss bar for energy is displaying the units HP and not energy |
| 00:22.13 | ZeroAme | http://paste.sc2mapster.com/2101/ |
| 00:22.40 | Alpha_vst | its not adding to the value im still doign something wrong |
| 00:22.41 | Alpha_vst | :( |
| 00:23.20 | casperb | Alpha_vst: grab the gist of it into a gist? |
| 00:23.22 | casperb | er pastie * |
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| 00:23.32 | Alpha_vst | Unit - Set (Picked unit) custom value PlayerThreat[(Killing player)] to ((Real(PlayerThreat[(Killing player)])) +1.0) |
| 00:23.42 | quadir | hm, is there a way to add a mod to your map after you've already created it? |
| 00:23.46 | Alpha_vst | its only doing the value i set to add... |
| 00:23.50 | casperb | Wrong index |
| 00:24.00 | casperb | that index is always going to move |
| 00:24.16 | Alpha_vst | how? |
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| 00:24.18 | casperb | custom value (Killing player] to ((Real(PlayerThreat[(Killing player)])) +1.0) |
| 00:24.37 | casperb | but isn't the custom value storing the threat value? |
| 00:24.41 | quadir | found it |
| 00:25.02 | Alpha_vst | oh i get it |
| 00:25.32 | Alpha_vst | it is |
| 00:25.50 | Jonanin | how can I spawn a new 'thread' in galaxy script |
| 00:25.51 | ZeroAme | Anyone know why my boss bar for energy is displaying units HP instead of energy? |
| 00:26.20 | casperb | Seems like you would want Set Custom Value [Killing Player] To ((Custom Value(Picked Unit, Killing Player) + 1)) |
| 00:26.54 | casperb | So set the threat value against killing player, to my current threat against him plus one |
| 00:27.11 | Alpha_vst | yeah this custom value stuff is confusing lol |
| 00:27.22 | casperb | It's just an array stored with the unit |
| 00:27.28 | Alpha_vst | yeah i know |
| 00:27.37 | Ziron | The boss does have energy right? (just checking) |
| 00:27.43 | Alpha_vst | im not thinking straighteither |
| 00:27.44 | ZeroAme | yes |
| 00:27.48 | ZeroAme | has 100 energy |
| 00:27.54 | ZeroAme | but ingame is displaying 45 |
| 00:28.01 | ZeroAme | which is units HP |
| 00:28.10 | ZeroAme | http://paste.sc2mapster.com/2101/ |
| 00:28.27 | Ziron | your trigger seems very straightforward |
| 00:28.39 | ZeroAme | yeah |
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| 00:30.45 | Spoofed | anyone know how I can create an animation for a skill? |
| 00:30.49 | Spoofed | well use an animation |
| 00:31.05 | Spoofed | Should I be looking into actors? |
| 00:31.07 | AsaPhelps | like when a unit uses an ability it runs an animation? |
| 00:31.07 | Spoofed | effects? |
| 00:31.11 | Spoofed | yeah |
| 00:31.15 | AsaPhelps | actor events+ |
| 00:31.24 | AsaPhelps | Effect.SkillName.Start |
| 00:31.33 | AsaPhelps | Or wait let me think |
| 00:32.16 | AsaPhelps | yeah then under it do Play Animation |
| 00:32.19 | AsaPhelps | Animation Play |
| 00:32.22 | AsaPhelps | something like that |
| 00:32.29 | Triceron | actors confuse the hell out of me |
| 00:32.30 | quadir | how do the OR and AND work in if statements? |
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| 00:32.44 | quadir | does it just OR or AND all the sub-conditions? |
| 00:33.39 | Jonanin | each different trigger is in it's own 'thread' and won't block the others if it loops continuously right? |
| 00:33.52 | Alpha_vst | i think i got this |
| 00:36.48 | Triceron | if I wanted to make a copy of a unit |
| 00:36.57 | Triceron | does it mean I have to make a copy of its actor as well? |
| 00:37.10 | Triceron | say Im duplicating a marine |
| 00:37.23 | Spoofed | ... |
| 00:37.23 | Triceron | and I wanted this new marine to look different from the regular |
| 00:37.28 | Spoofed | FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU |
| 00:37.42 | Spoofed | Sc2 hates me |
| 00:37.45 | Spoofed | :( |
| 00:37.49 | Triceron | sc2 hates us all |
| 00:38.10 | Spoofed | I created a skill to shoot |
| 00:38.15 | Spoofed | and it works fine for a ghost |
| 00:38.21 | Spoofed | but when i use it on a marine |
| 00:38.24 | Spoofed | it fucks up |
| 00:38.28 | Spoofed | and crashes sc2 |
| 00:39.17 | Spoofed | I give |
| 00:39.18 | Spoofed | up |
| 00:39.24 | Spoofed | my players will be using marines |
| 00:39.27 | Spoofed | instead of ghosts |
| 00:39.28 | Spoofed | >.> |
| 00:39.38 | Spoofed | I mean other way around |
| 00:40.46 | Spoofed | anyone good with actors? |
| 00:40.49 | Alpha_vst | so i realized i dont need an array if im using the player integer as the custom value |
| 00:40.52 | Spoofed | cause my map is really fucking up |
| 00:41.02 | Spoofed | ... |
| 00:41.54 | Alpha_vst | and it looks like custom values are reset each time they are called... |
| 00:42.05 | Alpha_vst | so i cant add math |
| 00:42.35 | Alpha_vst | makes this more complex |
| 00:43.12 | Pandepic | *sigh* up to part 10 of this tutorial |
| 00:43.16 | Pandepic | and getting bored again |
| 00:43.28 | casperb | Hmph how to specify the include path for a trigger lib? |
| 00:44.11 | Alpha_vst | casperb custom values are treated as local :( and not saved |
| 00:44.16 | Pandepic | include "TriggerLibs/NativeLib" |
| 00:44.26 | Pandepic | like that, but with your library path |
| 00:44.30 | casperb | Pandepic: Not what i asked :P |
| 00:44.40 | casperb | Pandepic: a triggerlib, i.e the generated XML files for GUI |
| 00:44.51 | casperb | automatically includes a file |
| 00:45.11 | quadir | casperb: right click, libraries -> import |
| 00:45.18 | casperb | Again, no -.- |
| 00:45.32 | FVCKEDbytheEDITO | anyone know what I need to remove so the GUI is clean? |
| 00:45.37 | quadir | casperb: you make no sense then |
| 00:45.44 | quadir | casperb: you have to elaborate on your question |
| 00:45.57 | Pandepic | so the GUI is clean? =O |
| 00:46.00 | Pandepic | what a strange question |
| 00:46.01 | Spoofed | so only |
| 00:46.09 | Spoofed | the top menue thining is showing |
| 00:46.11 | Spoofed | nothing else |
| 00:46.28 | Pandepic | view -> show UI panel |
| 00:46.32 | Pandepic | turn that off |
| 00:46.42 | casperb | As i said, how to specify the include path for the trigger lib xml specification |
| 00:46.55 | Alpha_vst | IT WORKS |
| 00:47.08 | casperb | sure this time Alpha_vst? :P |
| 00:47.12 | Alpha_vst | yes |
| 00:47.14 | Pandepic | for it's XML specification? |
| 00:47.22 | Alpha_vst | its returning diffrent numbers |
| 00:47.25 | quadir | Spoofed: you can turn off each individual (well group) using a UI action |
| 00:47.25 | Alpha_vst | :D |
| 00:47.43 | Spoofed | but which ones? |
| 00:47.46 | quadir | casperb: could you check an exported example? |
| 00:47.51 | Pandepic | Spoofed, I just told you how to do it =P |
| 00:47.53 | Alpha_vst | http://pastebin.com/eQ7fUcjH |
| 00:47.57 | Pandepic | <Pandepic> view -> show UI panel |
| 00:47.57 | Spoofed | I just found an annoying bug |
| 00:47.57 | Pandepic | <Pandepic> turn that off |
| 00:48.01 | Alpha_vst | I had to save the value and then add to it |
| 00:48.02 | casperb | quadir: am looking at the natives but can't find anything :S |
| 00:48.03 | Spoofed | disabling entire game ui |
| 00:48.05 | Jonanin | is it possible to pass arguments to a trigger in galaxy script? |
| 00:48.06 | Atlos | hmm, what's the difference between a custom action definition and a function? |
| 00:48.07 | Spoofed | means you cant use skills |
| 00:48.09 | Spoofed | >.> |
| 00:48.14 | Atlos | the action definition just shows up on the trigger list? |
| 00:48.18 | Atlos | well action list? |
| 00:48.25 | Pandepic | oh wait, do you mean the ingame GUI? |
| 00:48.35 | quadir | casperb: what is the spec? a DTD or a xs:schema? |
| 00:48.38 | Spoofed | yeah |
| 00:48.48 | Pandepic | Jonanin: you can pass arguments to a function |
| 00:48.54 | Pandepic | or an action |
| 00:48.57 | casperb | quadir: It's called Ntve, yet it imports NativeLib, while for me it wants to import a random hexedecimal it's assigned somewhere |
| 00:48.57 | Pandepic | not a trigger |
| 00:49.02 | casperb | quadir: SC2Lib |
| 00:49.03 | Alpha_vst | now to do something with that data |
| 00:49.25 | casperb | Details more or less unknown |
| 00:49.33 | Jonanin | Pandepic: but how would I do that in script? |
| 00:49.47 | quadir | casperb: my generic xml/dtd/schema knowledge isn't helping here :( |
| 00:49.50 | Pandepic | the same way you call any function or action in script |
| 00:50.16 | Jonanin | but I need to do it through a trigger because it needs to run in parallel |
| 00:50.27 | Pandepic | triggers don't have arguments |
| 00:50.35 | Jonanin | yeah :( |
| 00:50.39 | Pandepic | you could work around it by setting variables |
| 00:50.45 | Pandepic | before you call the trigger |
| 00:51.00 | Pandepic | but you're really supposed to use functions for that |
| 00:51.26 | Jonanin | i am trying to control any number of AI, so i need multiple control loops to run in parallel |
| 00:51.30 | Jonanin | but i need to pass to it the player number |
| 00:52.02 | casperb | quadir: thing is, libntve is around 170 000 lines of XML so not the quickest thing to find the syntax for :P |
| 00:52.33 | Pandepic | why do you need them to run in parallel? |
| 00:52.47 | Pandepic | seems like not the best way to be controlling your AI |
| 00:52.49 | Jonanin | because theye are control loops for the AI |
| 00:52.53 | Jonanin | how else? |
| 00:52.55 | Spoofed | RAGE! |
| 00:53.07 | Spoofed | anyone know how to dissable the bottom part of the GUI? |
| 00:53.10 | casperb | AI can just be a flat script |
| 00:53.12 | Pandepic | what kind of AI is it first of all? |
| 00:53.21 | Spoofed | and still retain the ability to use skills? |
| 00:53.32 | Jonanin | it's a melee AI |
| 00:53.35 | Pandepic | an easy way to do AI is to just use UnitIssueOrder and the unit's order queue, along with standard trigger events |
| 00:53.47 | Pandepic | are you using the built in AI functions? |
| 00:54.01 | casperb | Spoofed: There's a hide panel function |
| 00:54.02 | Jonanin | Some of them. but i need to control micro, macro, etc |
| 00:54.19 | Jonanin | it's not just unit ai it's a full-blown melee ai |
| 00:54.23 | Pandepic | I know |
| 00:54.39 | Spoofed | hide ui frame? |
| 00:54.39 | Pandepic | but in the AI what you're actually doing it controlling units |
| 00:54.42 | Pandepic | is* |
| 00:54.43 | Spoofed | or am I missing something? |
| 00:54.50 | Jonanin | ok, so? |
| 00:55.02 | Pandepic | so that's probably how I would do it |
| 00:55.42 | Jonanin | but how does that make it not necessary for a loop |
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| 00:57.29 | AsaPhelps | anyone have any idea what a ability of type "revive" does? |
| 00:57.37 | casperb | Jonanin: Check out how generated code spins up a new thread |
| 00:57.44 | Atlos | probably kills the unit |
| 00:57.45 | Atlos | :P |
| 00:57.47 | Atlos | I have no clue |
| 00:58.06 | casperb | Jonanin: i.e check off run in thread of an action, it creates some trigger setup IIRC |
| 00:58.41 | Spoofed | so... |
| 00:58.42 | Spoofed | anyone? |
| 00:59.16 | casperb | Spoofed: fullscreen hides it |
| 00:59.42 | Spoofed | wait wat? |
| 00:59.43 | Spoofed | how? |
| 00:59.48 | casperb | Set Screen Mode |
| 00:59.50 | ekcolnovkol | revive is BROEKN |
| 00:59.54 | ekcolnovkol | DEAL WEET IT |
| 01:00.01 | ekcolnovkol | :o |
| 01:00.08 | ekcolnovkol | waits impatiently for it to be fixed |
| 01:00.16 | `3ICE | it wont |
| 01:00.19 | ekcolnovkol | :( |
| 01:00.19 | Spoofed | but I can't use skills |
| 01:00.20 | Spoofed | >.> |
| 01:00.26 | Spoofed | this is a really annoying bug |
| 01:00.55 | ekcolnovkol | why won't it be fixed? :u |
| 01:00.58 | ekcolnovkol | WHY |
| 01:01.01 | ekcolnovkol | I'VE COME SO FAR |
| 01:01.11 | ekcolnovkol | T.T |
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| 01:04.01 | Pandepic | anyone want to give an opinion on this tutorial so far? |
| 01:04.12 | casperb | linky linky |
| 01:04.18 | Pandepic | https://docs.google.com/document/edit?id=1M1iVN0-ivv4m6Cd7ih-eQy8qV07sgkXzBdkAE6--nho&hl=en |
| 01:04.21 | casperb | be warned, i'm pessimistic :P |
| 01:04.32 | Pandepic | lol |
| 01:04.41 | casperb | ah but i do love naming conventions! |
| 01:04.53 | casperb | And the title got me interested, gimme a few mins ^^ |
| 01:05.10 | Pandepic | haha ok |
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| 01:06.49 | Spoofed | I never new about libraries till now... |
| 01:06.55 | casperb | Pandepic: would atleast expand upon what the naming conventions are, as they are rather deeply rooted |
| 01:06.59 | Spoofed | I feel kinda stupid |
| 01:07.07 | Pandepic | aming conventions are pretty subjective though |
| 01:07.11 | Pandepic | everyone prefers different ones |
| 01:07.16 | Pandepic | naming* |
| 01:07.25 | Spoofed | We could create on |
| 01:07.28 | Pandepic | the tutorial is just meant to give people enough information to develop best practices |
| 01:07.28 | casperb | It's pretty common to follow the standard libraries tho |
| 01:07.29 | Spoofed | for sc2mapster maps |
| 01:07.55 | Pandepic | I might add links to each section |
| 01:08.01 | Pandepic | for more in-depth reading on specific subjects |
| 01:08.04 | casperb | i.e our standard library would be the natives, which have a PascalCase for functions, camelCase for variables etc |
| 01:08.29 | casperb | as a developer/artist i cry inside when i see ugly code :P |
| 01:08.40 | Pandepic | lol yeah, I do as well |
| 01:08.43 | Pandepic | that's why I'm writing this |
| 01:08.46 | `3ICE | ...so do I! |
| 01:09.46 | Pandepic | also because some people were using 100 variables instead of arrays etc =P |
| 01:09.53 | Pandepic | so hopefully this will save some people |
| 01:09.58 | Spoofed | argh |
| 01:10.04 | Spoofed | I hate it when people do that |
| 01:10.13 | Pandepic | sometimes they just don't know about arrays |
| 01:10.16 | Pandepic | or what arrays are for |
| 01:10.20 | casperb | decent primer for someone who's never touched programming or had math |
| 01:10.21 | Spoofed | it just seems so wrong |
| 01:10.36 | Spoofed | I wish there where dynamic arrays though |
| 01:10.37 | Pandepic | feel free to suggest anything casperb =) |
| 01:11.06 | Pandepic | not many languages have dynamic arrays lol |
| 01:11.13 | Pandepic | if by that you mean able to dyanmically change size |
| 01:11.18 | Pandepic | dynamically* |
| 01:11.30 | casperb | err.. all languages have dynamic arrays |
| 01:11.32 | Spoofed | yeah well |
| 01:11.34 | casperb | as in dynamic allocation |
| 01:11.36 | Spoofed | java and C# have em |
| 01:11.38 | Pandepic | they have alternatives to arrays |
| 01:11.40 | Pandepic | that do it |
| 01:11.41 | Spoofed | and yeah |
| 01:11.46 | Pandepic | but standard arrays almost never do that |
| 01:11.52 | Spoofed | well sc2 needs one |
| 01:11.59 | Alpha_vst | i hate math |
| 01:12.10 | Spoofed | it'd be really cool if we could set the array size to that of a variable |
| 01:12.11 | `3ICE | i used to love math |
| 01:12.12 | casperb | changing size is just a matter of creating a new one and copying one, usually handled in another type, list, vector, etc |
| 01:12.18 | Pandepic | casperb: dynamic allocation = <3 malloc =) |
| 01:12.18 | `3ICE | but then i stopped getting A grades... |
| 01:12.20 | Spoofed | that'd just be amazing |
| 01:12.21 | Pandepic | I miss those days |
| 01:12.33 | casperb | i miss ruby :( |
| 01:12.34 | Spoofed | ehh |
| 01:13.03 | Spoofed | casperb: then it doesn't look as nice |
| 01:13.03 | Pandepic | ruby is getting more popular I think |
| 01:13.03 | Spoofed | and I'd have to extrapolate for all possiblities |
| 01:13.29 | Spoofed | never seen it |
| 01:14.03 | casperb | Pandepic: mostly due to rails and it's dynamic nature, kinda crazy you can mixin to any object at any time |
| 01:14.14 | casperb | absolutly everything is an object, even literals |
| 01:14.17 | Pandepic | the most popular usage is probably actually in rpg maker lol |
| 01:14.31 | Pandepic | not that I approve of game maker programs usually |
| 01:14.41 | Pandepic | but rpg maker had a really clever ruby engine that you could rewrite inside the editor |
| 01:14.42 | casperb | we're using oen :P |
| 01:14.44 | casperb | one * |
| 01:15.03 | Pandepic | making mods for an existing game is different to making standalone games with one though =P |
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| 01:15.23 | casperb | well, i don't mind engines etc, but they attract alot of newbs who are to lazy to figure out stuff on their own |
| 01:15.30 | Pandepic | yeah |
| 01:15.54 | Pandepic | I've always thought that before using an engine, you should write your own engine |
| 01:16.00 | Pandepic | so that you learn enough to know which engine you need |
| 01:16.06 | Pandepic | and how to fix problems that come up when using one |
| 01:16.22 | casperb | Only developers should do mods etc IMO :P |
| 01:16.28 | casperb | developers with their artsy friends |
| 01:16.52 | Pandepic | I think I'm going to add a section on raw view vs normal view |
| 01:16.54 | Alpha_vst | or people with almost 20mb game 0.o |
| 01:16.54 | Pandepic | in the trigger editor |
| 01:16.55 | Spoofed | I've use game maker programs that don't come with an engine |
| 01:16.56 | Spoofed | O.o |
| 01:17.02 | Spoofed | used* |
| 01:17.14 | Pandepic | how can a game maker program not come with an engine? << |
| 01:17.16 | casperb | a game maker essentially is an engine |
| 01:17.21 | Alpha_vst | yeah |
| 01:17.23 | Pandepic | yeah lol |
| 01:17.28 | casperb | or scratch that, that's all it is |
| 01:17.33 | fatal5101 | ruby is my friend |
| 01:17.45 | Pandepic | yay fatal is here, the creative scientist |
| 01:17.48 | Pandepic | =D |
| 01:17.57 | Atlos | hmm |
| 01:18.01 | fatal5101 | wrong |
| 01:18.03 | fatal5101 | the creative strategist |
| 01:18.05 | Atlos | how could I make it so that |
| 01:18.05 | Pandepic | oh |
| 01:18.06 | Pandepic | sorry |
| 01:18.25 | Atlos | if only one of the two variables matches another set of two variables |
| 01:18.28 | Atlos | then the trigger won't run |
| 01:18.28 | Spoofed | GM |
| 01:18.36 | Atlos | basically I have 2 2dimensional arrays |
| 01:18.36 | Spoofed | gamemaker* |
| 01:18.50 | Spoofed | its just a simple GUI for a coding language |
| 01:18.52 | allenmelon | hey |
| 01:18.52 | Atlos | and I want to make sure tempX and tempY are different than my normal X and Y |
| 01:18.59 | Spoofed | that's specifically geared to gamemaking |
| 01:19.01 | allenmelon | how do you play maps that you downloaded on bnet? |
| 01:19.34 | quadir | allenmelon: load them up in the editor then 'test document' |
| 01:20.28 | allenmelon | o.o |
| 01:20.32 | allenmelon | where are they? |
| 01:20.37 | casperb | Pandepic: comments in GUI aren't really used for docs tho |
| 01:20.45 | quadir | in your documents folder |
| 01:21.07 | Pandepic | what are you referring to casperb? |
| 01:21.33 | Pandepic | allenmelon: you can also drag and drop it on your beta shortcut |
| 01:21.46 | casperb | Pandepic: Best Practices document |
| 01:21.50 | Pandepic | which part? |
| 01:22.07 | Atlos | d'oh I figured it out |
| 01:22.12 | Atlos | forgot there was an OR comparison lol |
| 01:22.16 | casperb | Pandepic: comments ;) |
| 01:22.25 | allenmelon | i know how to play maps |
| 01:22.32 | allenmelon | i just dont know how to locate maps that i played on bnet |
| 01:22.58 | quadir | allenmelon: do a file search your HD for *.sc2map |
| 01:23.07 | quadir | and you'll find them all |
| 01:23.10 | casperb | Meh anyone have any idea how to specify the include path for a triggerlib? can't figure this one out :S |
| 01:23.13 | Pandepic | did I say they did generate docs or something? =O |
| 01:23.21 | Pandepic | I don't remember |
| 01:23.54 | casperb | Pandepic: That they where a good way to annotate function arguments, but AFAIK you can't inline comments in params even in the GUI |
| 01:24.08 | Pandepic | you can drag and drop comments anywhere |
| 01:24.21 | Pandepic | I just said that because it's a good way to make your function easy to read |
| 01:24.25 | Pandepic | =P |
| 01:24.33 | Alpha_vst | AH HA |
| 01:24.34 | Alpha_vst | WOOT |
| 01:24.42 | casperb | Hm might be, i just figure since we only have single line comments that would mess with the generated code :P |
| 01:24.52 | Alpha_vst | players generate more threat when they are injured |
| 01:24.56 | Pandepic | I don't think it affects it |
| 01:25.03 | Alpha_vst | this is going to be one bad ass mother fucking game |
| 01:25.06 | Alpha_vst | fuck yeah |
| 01:25.11 | Pandepic | haha |
| 01:25.38 | casperb | Pandepic: another section to add is long running triggers vs short reccuring |
| 01:25.53 | Pandepic | hmm |
| 01:25.54 | casperb | Still trying to benchmark that |
| 01:26.08 | Pandepic | I'll think about it |
| 01:26.14 | Alpha_vst | that would be nice to know |
| 01:26.16 | quadir | casperb: isn't it easy? |
| 01:26.19 | quadir | casperb: with wait's |
| 01:26.36 | casperb | both are easy, but which one performs better and has the smaller footprint |
| 01:26.36 | quadir | then just have 1 trigger then runs em |
| 01:26.48 | Alpha_vst | i use big long triggers |
| 01:26.59 | Alpha_vst | that are designed to do one thing |
| 01:27.03 | Spoofed | anyone know a good resource for java functions, classes, etc? |
| 01:27.04 | quadir | each of them increments a global after the wait |
| 01:27.06 | allenmelon | didnt find any maps |
| 01:27.15 | Spoofed | that's searchable? |
| 01:27.15 | allenmelon | only the ones i dled from sc2mapster or curse myself |
| 01:27.17 | quadir | then in the main trigger, once the global = # of trigger |
| 01:27.18 | quadir | you're done |
| 01:27.22 | quadir | and take the diff in timestamps |
| 01:27.32 | casperb | I tend to use a long running trigger as it seems logical because it will be running for the duration, and i have no idea when the recurring events will schedule |
| 01:27.33 | quadir | seems straight forward |
| 01:27.39 | allenmelon | so where are the maps that you played on bnet? |
| 01:27.43 | Pandepic | Spoofed: http://java.sun.com/reference/index.jsp |
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| 01:27.58 | quadir | allenmelon: I already told you. |
| 01:28.03 | quadir | allenmelon: in 2 ways, read above. |
| 01:28.08 | allenmelon | tried both |
| 01:28.17 | quadir | allenmelon: then you're out of luck |
| 01:28.37 | quadir | allenmelon: if you searched your HD and didn't find any sc2 maps, then you don't have any. |
| 01:28.47 | Pandepic | lol |
| 01:28.48 | xgalaxy | hello |
| 01:28.53 | Pandepic | hey xgalaxy |
| 01:29.07 | casperb | yo :P |
| 01:29.07 | Pandepic | uuuugh casperb, now that I stopped writing |
| 01:29.10 | Pandepic | it's so hard to start again |
| 01:29.30 | Pandepic | I should have just done it all in one go =( |
| 01:29.38 | Spoofed | thanks |
| 01:29.45 | Pandepic | you're welcome |
| 01:30.18 | casperb | Hehe yeah from knowhow to paper tends to get lost in translation |
| 01:30.32 | xgalaxy | anyone have any ideas on how to make two units share a single health bar? as if they were a single unit? i found this behavior called CBehaviorConjoined which seems to indicate that this is possible |
| 01:30.53 | casperb | Conjoined makes them share the same health pool |
| 01:30.56 | quadir | man I love all this shit that people are thinking of :) |
| 01:31.16 | casperb | Do that and hide the status bar of one |
| 01:31.23 | casperb | should do it |
| 01:32.23 | Cromalic | god |
| 01:32.33 | casperb | does not exist :D |
| 01:32.39 | Cromalic | lol |
| 01:32.50 | Cromalic | it's horrible to edit lights |
| 01:32.59 | Cromalic | they keep changing back by themselves |
| 01:33.00 | Cromalic | wtf |
| 01:33.03 | Pandepic | lol |
| 01:33.09 | Pandepic | ghost in the machine |
| 01:33.11 | casperb | Hm no they don't? :P |
| 01:33.18 | Cromalic | ya they do :D |
| 01:33.21 | casperb | you must have the wrong light set on the map :P |
| 01:33.26 | casperb | compared to what you're editing |
| 01:33.31 | Cromalic | nah nah |
| 01:33.35 | Cromalic | it's not ingame that's wrong |
| 01:33.38 | Cromalic | it's the editor |
| 01:33.44 | casperb | yeah what i meant |
| 01:33.58 | casperb | view -> show lighting -> game |
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| 01:34.03 | Cromalic | naaah |
| 01:34.05 | Cromalic | i mean the settings |
| 01:34.07 | Cromalic | not the display |
| 01:34.13 | Cromalic | i copy light set time 7, and paste it on time 5 |
| 01:34.31 | Cromalic | review everything, they look alike, key etc |
| 01:34.35 | Cromalic | then close |
| 01:34.39 | Cromalic | when i then reopen |
| 01:34.42 | casperb | ah |
| 01:34.52 | Cromalic | suddenly time 5 is the same as time 19 or some weird shiet |
| 01:35.00 | Cromalic | i don't get it |
| 01:35.03 | Cromalic | GHOST IN THE MACHINE |
| 01:35.03 | Cromalic | :D |
| 01:35.07 | Cromalic | aaaaaaaaaah |
| 01:35.30 | casperb | seriously how hard should it be to modify my triggerlibs include path -.- |
| 01:35.37 | Pandepic | what are you trying to include? |
| 01:36.11 | Pandepic | wait, do you mean the path it uses to include things? |
| 01:36.42 | allenmelon | alright, time to learn how to make maps |
| 01:36.45 | casperb | nah have my code in triggerlibs/battlefield.galaxy |
| 01:37.04 | casperb | have a GUI trigger lib to show the public functions in the GE |
| 01:37.17 | casperb | however, it wants to include include "Lib0AE17DE9" as my galaxy code file |
| 01:37.57 | Pandepic | I'm not sure about that, I haven't tried using external script files yet |
| 01:38.23 | casperb | libnative does it tho, don't think they would hardcode that? |
| 01:38.47 | casperb | also libnative is called Ntve in GUI, yet includes triggerlibs/nativelib |
| 01:39.04 | ekcolnovkol | i HATE how sometimes you need to reboot to solve the bug |
| 01:39.05 | ekcolnovkol | ;( |
| 01:39.34 | casperb | gotta love how simple things can have you stumped for hours ^^ |
| 01:40.31 | ekcolnovkol | i raged so hard |
| 01:40.33 | ekcolnovkol | ;( |
| 01:40.41 | Cromalic | this is ridiculous |
| 01:40.55 | Cromalic | completely different lights end up being edited than the ones i have selected! |
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| 01:41.28 | casperb | oh yeah you have to have the current time set to the time you want to edit aswell |
| 01:41.36 | casperb | you have current time, and time of light |
| 01:41.43 | casperb | current time being editor time |
| 01:41.50 | casperb | pain in the ... |
| 01:42.46 | Cromalic | hmmm |
| 01:43.33 | Cromalic | i don't know, seems to me that the 'current test time' is always the same as the 'light time of day' |
| 01:43.36 | Cromalic | and i never messed with it |
| 01:43.44 | Cromalic | i don't watch the light in the terrain editor even |
| 01:43.49 | Cromalic | i just edit in the data editor |
| 01:44.02 | Cromalic | i already figured out the settings i want |
| 01:44.15 | Spoofed | so |
| 01:44.17 | Cromalic | but for some reason some of the other lights change |
| 01:44.21 | Spoofed | anyone know how to get rid of the GUI |
| 01:44.28 | Spoofed | but still retain the ability to use skills? |
| 01:44.33 | Cromalic | hide UI? |
| 01:44.39 | Spoofed | can't use skills |
| 01:44.45 | Cromalic | use triggers to execute skills |
| 01:44.46 | Cromalic | i guess |
| 01:45.01 | Spoofed | I highly doubt that's what other people are doing though |
| 01:45.04 | Spoofed | and If it is |
| 01:45.11 | Spoofed | then Blizz needs to fix that bug |
| 01:47.17 | casperb | hotkeys still work with fullscreen |
| 01:47.46 | Alpha_vst | no they dont |
| 01:47.54 | Alpha_vst | unless they fixed it |
| 01:48.01 | quadir | Spoofed: can't you hide each individual ui dialog instead of (hide UI)? |
| 01:48.06 | casperb | yes they do, know for a fact that i had to disable hot keys specifically because of that |
| 01:48.22 | Alpha_vst | last time i tried hot keys didnt work :( |
| 01:48.29 | Alpha_vst | that was a few patches ago though |
| 01:49.04 | casperb | 3 days ago or so, whenver i wrote the prototype for my current proejct |
| 01:49.06 | casperb | project * |
| 01:49.52 | Alpha_vst | thats nice to know |
| 01:50.19 | allenmelon | how do you erase items? |
| 01:50.25 | casperb | define items |
| 01:50.43 | allenmelon | or objects |
| 01:50.51 | Alpha_vst | define objects |
| 01:50.53 | casperb | again, really broad term |
| 01:51.03 | casperb | might aswell say things or stuff :P |
| 01:51.12 | allenmelon | terrain |
| 01:51.21 | Cromalic | casperb i figured out what was wrong |
| 01:51.23 | Cromalic | with the lighting |
| 01:51.26 | Alpha_vst | you dont delete you replace allenmelon |
| 01:51.36 | allenmelon | cant delete at all?? |
| 01:51.42 | Alpha_vst | you can hide |
| 01:51.47 | casperb | Cromalic: what was it? |
| 01:51.59 | Cromalic | appearantly, if you don't have the lights in the same order as they are when edited (meaning first one has to be 00:00, second 02:00, and so on) |
| 01:52.04 | Cromalic | you end up editing the wrong lights |
| 01:52.11 | Cromalic | like they are assigned wrong or something |
| 01:52.21 | Cromalic | so you need to sort them |
| 01:52.27 | Alpha_vst | thats fun |
| 01:52.32 | Cromalic | like i had 06:00 first |
| 01:52.37 | Cromalic | instead of 00:00 |
| 01:53.00 | Cromalic | so it's a bug really |
| 01:53.57 | allenmelon | so once you place a destructible rock somewhere, you cant delete it at all? |
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| 01:54.10 | Alpha_vst | thats a unit |
| 01:54.16 | allenmelon | other than undo? |
| 01:54.24 | Cromalic | ummm |
| 01:54.28 | Cromalic | ok it's still completely bugged |
| 01:54.29 | Cromalic | wtf |
| 01:54.33 | Alpha_vst | press space bar to switch from placement to selecting mode |
| 01:56.00 | Alpha_vst | Pandepic you might want to add in some information on the differances between units doodads terrain and such 0.o |
| 01:56.31 | Pandepic | not sure if that fits into best practices |
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| 02:03.09 | Alpha_vst | DO IT :P |
| 02:03.14 | Alpha_vst | im kidding |
| 02:08.20 | Alpha_vst | but seriously someone needs to inform people what those are it looks like |
| 02:12.55 | Alpha_vst | silly question... |
| 02:13.25 | Alpha_vst | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:16.55 | Alpha_vst | .... |
| 02:17.00 | Alpha_vst | did everyone die? |
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| 02:21.33 | quadir | no, I have another question ;) |
| 02:21.51 | quadir | 'Unit - Any Unit Becomes idle' event, but in my conditions/actions 'Triggering Unit' is grayed out... what gives? |
| 02:22.55 | Alpha_vst | idono i did it a diffrent way though |
| 02:22.57 | Alpha_vst | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:23.03 | quadir | yeah same |
| 02:23.19 | quadir | but I would of though that triggering unit would of been active |
| 02:23.23 | quadir | I just do a pick afterwards |
| 02:23.37 | quadir | but the trigger only runs if there is something to run on |
| 02:23.47 | quadir | instead of polling |
| 02:23.52 | Alpha_vst | periodic event? :P |
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| 02:31.32 | Alpha_vst | see whys it so dae din here |
| 02:33.08 | allenmelon | is a wheres waldo map possible? |
| 02:33.23 | Alpha_vst | very |
| 02:33.29 | allenmelon | cause it sounds like it could be pretty challenging and fun |
| 02:33.51 | allenmelon | whoever finds him first wins the round |
| 02:33.54 | quadir | how to do you a C++/Java style 'continue' in a for loop? |
| 02:33.59 | quadir | is it 'Skip Remaining Actions'? |
| 02:34.15 | quadir | they have 'Break' but I want continue! |
| 02:34.19 | Alpha_vst | if i knew what a continue was... |
| 02:34.27 | quadir | Alpha_vst: you know what a break is? |
| 02:34.43 | Alpha_vst | yeah it stops the if else then |
| 02:34.49 | Alpha_vst | or what ever |
| 02:34.49 | quadir | Alpha_vst: you mean loop |
| 02:35.01 | quadir | Alpha_vst: it does nothing to a if else then |
| 02:35.05 | quadir | Alpha_vst: only works on while for repeat |
| 02:35.16 | Alpha_vst | really you sure |
| 02:35.20 | quadir | Alpha_vst: anyways, a 'break' stops the remaining actions and stops the loop |
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| 02:35.30 | quadir | Alpha_vst: a continue stops the remaining actions, then REPEATS the loop again |
| 02:36.03 | allenmelon | anyone wanna link me to a tutorial on how to start mapmaking for first time? |
| 02:36.07 | Alpha_vst | then break and at the end of the trigger run it self |
| 02:36.09 | Alpha_vst | :P |
| 02:36.18 | Alpha_vst | but thats bad |
| 02:36.21 | quadir | nevermind >_< |
| 02:36.39 | Alpha_vst | there is nothing for that |
| 02:36.41 | Alpha_vst | though |
| 02:37.02 | quadir | there is 'Skip remaining actions' but the tooltip says it's for the whole trigger |
| 02:37.08 | quadir | I'm gona try it and see |
| 02:37.09 | Alpha_vst | yes |
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| 02:37.12 | quadir | if it's really just for that action set |
| 02:37.17 | Alpha_vst | it wont run it again |
| 02:37.19 | quadir | instead of whole trigger |
| 02:37.56 | Alpha_vst | its the whole trigger im sure |
| 02:39.40 | Alpha_vst | maybe critical selection... i have no idea what that does |
| 02:39.41 | quadir | I think it's just that set of actions... exacly what I wanted |
| 02:40.42 | Alpha_vst | its the everything below that trigger |
| 02:40.54 | quadir | I think it's just everything in that action set |
| 02:40.59 | quadir | not whole trigger |
| 02:41.05 | Alpha_vst | everything below that trigger :P |
| 02:41.06 | quadir | but I'm verifying now |
| 02:41.19 | quadir | it's an action. it skips actions. not triggers. |
| 02:41.28 | Alpha_vst | what ever same thing |
| 02:41.42 | Alpha_vst | i only pretend to know what im talking about :P |
| 02:43.48 | Alpha_vst | is it possible to set a custom value of a unit in the data editor? |
| 02:44.24 | RickA | No |
| 02:44.36 | Alpha_vst | thats crappy |
| 02:44.43 | RickA | Data cannot read or write cvs |
| 02:44.48 | quadir | harsh RickA, let the man retain some dignity |
| 02:45.02 | quadir | or woman |
| 02:45.05 | Alpha_vst | thats not harsh |
| 02:45.07 | Alpha_vst | 0.o |
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| 02:45.22 | Alpha_vst | maybe if he said " no you fucking idiot" |
| 02:45.29 | Alpha_vst | but he didnt |
| 02:45.30 | SockWizard | Hey kids. |
| 02:45.40 | Alpha_vst | hey SockWizard |
| 02:46.17 | SockWizard | I just wanted to say- My graphics card can handle almost everything but shaders higher than low. |
| 02:46.42 | casperb | how informative? :P |
| 02:46.49 | SockWizard | Well it's integrated graphics.... so It's better than nothing |
| 02:46.56 | SockWizard | and it's my dad's computer.. |
| 02:47.13 | SockWizard | I hate that shaders is what makes sc2 look so awesome. |
| 02:47.18 | SockWizard | Im talking to myself now |
| 02:47.23 | SockWizard | explodes |
| 02:48.33 | Alpha_vst | its really slow right now |
| 02:48.35 | Alpha_vst | :P |
| 02:48.58 | Alpha_vst | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N2CqXmjZkSE watch that be excited |
| 02:49.13 | quadir | Alpha_vst: you were right about the 'skip remaining actions', it's the whole trigger. those bastards |
| 02:49.22 | Alpha_vst | I KNOW RIGHT |
| 02:49.37 | Alpha_vst | you need to break and run the trigger again |
| 02:50.22 | Alpha_vst | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:50.50 | quadir | Alpha_vst: oh, I get what you're saying now |
| 02:51.10 | Bifuu | hey trigger guys |
| 02:51.10 | quadir | or you can just use an if |
| 02:51.17 | Alpha_vst | but thats bad pratice to run a trigger from a trigger |
| 02:51.19 | Bifuu | is there no move order for issue order? |
| 02:51.31 | Alpha_vst | bifuu |
| 02:51.33 | quadir | Bifuu: I ran into the same thing.. there is |
| 02:51.39 | Alpha_vst | you need to change it to tagering point |
| 02:51.50 | Alpha_vst | targeting |
| 02:51.55 | Glynn | have to click the ( |
| 02:51.57 | Bifuu | o ya |
| 02:52.04 | Bifuu | thanks |
| 02:52.10 | Alpha_vst | smarter than bifuu WOOT |
| 02:52.13 | Alpha_vst | lol |
| 02:52.31 | quadir | Bifuu: Unit - Order unit <> to ( Move targeting <Point>) (Replace Existing Orders) |
| 02:52.38 | Alpha_vst | quadir also Trigger - Allow this trigger to be skipped by (All players), requiring at least All, and run No Trigger if skipped (Check Conditions, Don't Wait until it finishes) |
| 02:52.39 | quadir | yeah what Alpha_vst said.... |
| 02:52.44 | Alpha_vst | idono if that will help you |
| 02:53.41 | Alpha_vst | wait maybe |
| 02:54.01 | Alpha_vst | idono im looking for something doesnt seem to be anything though lol |
| 02:54.13 | SockWizard | Yeah that paper zombies map seems cool. |
| 02:54.46 | Alpha_vst | then you realize my zombie ai is going to be fucking amazing :P |
| 02:54.49 | SockWizard | It's not much of ai right now though, it's just a swarm in a line that moves and turns. |
| 02:55.18 | SockWizard | or did u update it a bit already? |
| 02:55.27 | Alpha_vst | i have threat added right now |
| 02:55.34 | SockWizard | threat? |
| 02:55.52 | Alpha_vst | yeah players generate threat |
| 02:55.57 | SockWizard | Oh I get it |
| 02:56.02 | SockWizard | aggro pretty much |
| 02:56.15 | Alpha_vst | yes you wow player... |
| 02:56.26 | SockWizard | But I only played it for a week. :c |
| 02:56.30 | SockWizard | Well cool |
| 02:57.11 | Alpha_vst | and also they search the level |
| 02:57.27 | SockWizard | can you hide from 'em? |
| 02:57.28 | Alpha_vst | and aquire points of intrest |
| 02:58.04 | Alpha_vst | yeah you will be able to |
| 02:58.49 | Alpha_vst | you stop them from finding points and stuff also |
| 03:00.14 | SockWizard | random suggestions: Special zombies? Player controlled zombies? Player abilties/turrents/ any other stuff that pops from my head / cats/ sneaky zombies that randomly decide to come from behind and/or are not on the minimap |
| 03:00.47 | Alpha_vst | yeah ive been working on the basics :D |
| 03:00.58 | SockWizard | kay |
| 03:01.21 | Alpha_vst | ive gotten all the bugs out of the map so far also :P |
| 03:04.15 | SixTwo | any idea why I can't get my scv to build a refinery at a certain spot. I used Issue order targetting item, and picked the geyser using the "select item and press Q" |
| 03:04.36 | Alpha_vst | wait what |
| 03:04.38 | Pandepic | Sixen: you around? |
| 03:04.40 | SixTwo | same thing goes when i give an order to a scv to mine minerals |
| 03:04.40 | Pandepic | or Bifuu |
| 03:07.06 | Alpha_vst | so threat is now done based on life type of the unit and damage it has done |
| 03:07.13 | Alpha_vst | what else should i check for |
| 03:07.18 | Pandepic | I finally finished this tutorial |
| 03:07.36 | Pandepic | hopefully it isn't terrible and useless =P |
| 03:07.47 | Alpha_vst | it looked good and helpful |
| 03:08.24 | Pandepic | <3 |
| 03:08.49 | Alpha_vst | your done with your thing my map has no bugs :P |
| 03:08.52 | Alpha_vst | its a good day |
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| 03:10.33 | Alpha_vst | so threat is now done based on life, type of the unit, and damage it has done... what else should i add? |
| 03:12.27 | SixTwo | anyone knows why a simple thing like this won't work, I must be missing something |
| 03:12.30 | SixTwo | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:13.05 | SixTwo | it says this " Trigger Error in 'gt_MeleeInitialization_Func': The ability command 'TerranBuild(2) ' is missing a target |
| 03:13.05 | SixTwo | " |
| 03:13.07 | Alpha_vst | do u have enough minerals |
| 03:13.43 | SixTwo | yeah its a brand new geyser he can't place it on it, same thing if i send him to mine minerals |
| 03:14.11 | Alpha_vst | but do u have enough minerals to do so |
| 03:14.28 | SixTwo | yes |
| 03:14.45 | Alpha_vst | idono |
| 03:14.52 | SixTwo | it says missing target, |
| 03:17.15 | Alpha_vst | i dont do that kinda of ai stuff :P |
| 03:19.33 | Alpha_vst | I could talk about other kinda of ai though :P |
| 03:19.49 | BoltHead | gosh.... data editor... |
| 03:20.14 | BoltHead | how do i modify my photon cannon so it doesn't require a forge? |
| 03:20.25 | Pandepic | well, here it is: http://forums.sc2mapster.com/development/tutorials/3515-trigger-trigger-editor-best-practices/ |
| 03:26.03 | Alpha_vst | BoltHead you would think it would be a req on the probe comand card |
| 03:26.11 | Alpha_vst | but its not so i have no idea |
| 03:26.18 | Pandepic | in the build ability |
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| 03:26.35 | SockWizard | Its a trap. |
| 03:26.40 | BoltHead | no thats differant cause i looked |
| 03:26.58 | BoltHead | it says (none) on the builder's card |
| 03:27.12 | BoltHead | its in the build ability? |
| 03:27.20 | SockWizard | That little tut is probably gonna help me out a bit. Thanx |
| 03:27.37 | SockWizard | I'm too lazy to read it now. My mom's probably gonna make me get off in 30 minutes.. |
| 03:28.02 | Pandepic | BoltHead: |
| 03:28.10 | Pandepic | go to Probe - Build(Probe) |
| 03:28.13 | BoltHead | yes |
| 03:28.13 | Pandepic | in Abilities |
| 03:28.21 | Pandepic | then the field is |
| 03:28.25 | Pandepic | Info - Button - Default Button |
| 03:28.34 | Pandepic | double click "Warp in Pylon" |
| 03:28.49 | Pandepic | and then click the red X below requirements |
| 03:29.23 | Pandepic | wait |
| 03:29.25 | Pandepic | not pylong |
| 03:29.27 | Pandepic | photon cannon lol |
| 03:29.38 | Pandepic | pylon* |
| 03:29.41 | Alpha_vst | hmmm |
| 03:29.45 | Pandepic | sorry, my brain is everywhere |
| 03:29.54 | Alpha_vst | i cant even find teh button field |
| 03:30.01 | Pandepic | which button field? |
| 03:30.08 | Alpha_vst | Info - Button - Default Button |
| 03:30.16 | Pandepic | do you have advanced values on? |
| 03:30.20 | Alpha_vst | yeah |
| 03:30.24 | Pandepic | actually that doesn't matter |
| 03:30.27 | Pandepic | it shows either way |
| 03:30.33 | BoltHead | I'm to that window cause I moved the cannon so the SCV could build it |
| 03:30.43 | BoltHead | and made it an SCV builder skill |
| 03:30.44 | Pandepic | did you find it BoltHead? |
| 03:30.55 | Alpha_vst | im trying to find it i cant |
| 03:30.59 | BoltHead | I see requirements but it says none maybe i'm overlooking something else |
| 03:31.11 | Pandepic | are you sure you're looking at the right ability? |
| 03:31.17 | BoltHead | yeah probolly let me doube check |
| 03:31.26 | Pandepic | by default it will say |
| 03:31.29 | Pandepic | Requirements: Have Forge |
| 03:31.38 | Pandepic | make sure you're looking at "warp in photon cannon" |
| 03:31.49 | BoltHead | woah.... uhh thats differant |
| 03:32.03 | BoltHead | I made a click phonton to crash SC button |
| 03:32.28 | Pandepic | I'm just going by the default probe build ability lol |
| 03:32.31 | Alpha_vst | i cant even find that |
| 03:32.33 | Alpha_vst | fuck me |
| 03:32.36 | Pandepic | you fail alpha =D |
| 03:32.40 | BoltHead | weird s |
| 03:32.44 | Alpha_vst | your directions |
| 03:32.46 | Alpha_vst | fail |
| 03:32.49 | Pandepic | alpha |
| 03:32.50 | Triceron | hey |
| 03:32.54 | Pandepic | go to Probe - Build(Probe) |
| 03:32.57 | Pandepic | and click on it lol |
| 03:32.59 | BoltHead | so the button is enabled as if I can build it but when i click it it freezes |
| 03:33.04 | BoltHead | and SC crashes |
| 03:33.05 | Pandepic | it freezes? >> |
| 03:33.07 | Triceron | do you guys know where I can change all the voices of a unt? |
| 03:33.08 | Pandepic | lolwhat |
| 03:33.14 | Pandepic | Triceron: in it's actor |
| 03:33.20 | BoltHead | yeah i know i did it twice |
| 03:33.22 | Alpha_vst | i did that |
| 03:33.28 | Alpha_vst | both under unit and abilites |
| 03:33.30 | Alpha_vst | nothing |
| 03:33.31 | Pandepic | the field is there alpha |
| 03:33.35 | Triceron | so I have to make little voice clips |
| 03:33.38 | Pandepic | right under Info - Alerts |
| 03:33.43 | quadir | aw crap I got a 'Nested iteration detected;. >_< debugging time |
| 03:33.49 | Triceron | then source them all to my imported sound clips right? |
| 03:33.49 | Pandepic | lol |
| 03:34.00 | Alpha_vst | no info tags any where |
| 03:34.03 | Alpha_vst | .o |
| 03:34.04 | Pandepic | you want to use custom sound files Triceron? |
| 03:34.09 | Pandepic | alpha: lolwhat |
| 03:34.11 | Triceron | I have custom sound files |
| 03:34.19 | Pandepic | are you sure you have the ability selected? |
| 03:34.21 | Triceron | and I want to change the marines as a test |
| 03:34.31 | Pandepic | I don't know how to import the custom files Triceron, I assume with the assets manager |
| 03:34.36 | Triceron | yeah |
| 03:34.39 | Pandepic | but you choose which files to use in the Unit's actor |
| 03:34.40 | Alpha_vst | are you saying i should be under the unit or in the abilties tab? |
| 03:34.43 | Triceron | I'll prolly have to do each clip |
| 03:34.48 | Pandepic | it doesn't matter alpha |
| 03:34.53 | BoltHead | 3rd time is not the charm |
| 03:34.54 | BoltHead | wow |
| 03:34.55 | Pandepic | just choose the ability anywhere |
| 03:35.06 | BoltHead | the screen turns white and it crashes |
| 03:35.14 | Pandepic | that's very strange BoltHead |
| 03:35.15 | Alpha_vst | oh thats why |
| 03:35.21 | quadir | if you have a 'Timer - Every X seconds of Game Time' event trigger, will it spawn multiple copies of itself? |
| 03:35.25 | Alpha_vst | you dont have your shit compressed |
| 03:35.34 | Pandepic | multiple copies of itself? |
| 03:35.42 | BoltHead | yeah thats what i was thinking.... |
| 03:35.42 | Pandepic | my save file is compressed |
| 03:35.56 | Alpha_vst | Abiltiy info + |
| 03:35.56 | quadir | ima try now, to see if multiple concurrect copies run... if the trigger runs longer the X |
| 03:35.58 | Alpha_vst | NOOB |
| 03:36.00 | Alpha_vst | god |
| 03:36.09 | Pandepic | what |
| 03:36.28 | Alpha_vst | learn to combine your structure values :P |
| 03:36.40 | Pandepic | you just click on the ability >> |
| 03:36.44 | Pandepic | and the field is right there |
| 03:36.45 | quadir | yup it does |
| 03:37.04 | Alpha_vst | yeah for the freaks who like to look at a long list lol |
| 03:37.05 | quadir | that means Timer X second triggers need locks. |
| 03:37.48 | Pandepic | locks as in mutexes quadir? |
| 03:38.11 | Pandepic | because I'm assuming sc2 has those for pretty much everything lol, since any action can run in it's own thread |
| 03:38.12 | BoltHead | well it can build a turret without the bay |
| 03:38.16 | BoltHead | so I got the concept down |
| 03:38.22 | Pandepic | good job BoltHead |
| 03:38.27 | quadir | Pandepic: nyes. |
| 03:38.30 | Pandepic | you don't fail like alpha |
| 03:38.34 | BoltHead | cannon still crashes |
| 03:38.51 | Pandepic | I have no idea why your cannon is crashing the game lol |
| 03:38.54 | Pandepic | I've never seen that |
| 03:39.14 | quadir | Pandepic: trigger [event: timer - every 2 seconds of game time] [actions: debug "start" wait 5 debug "stop"] |
| 03:39.21 | Sixen | Pandepic: What's up? |
| 03:39.33 | quadir | Pandepic: you will see a bunch of "start,start,start" in your debug window... before your first "stop" |
| 03:39.34 | Sixen | Heya Bolty |
| 03:39.36 | Pandepic | Sixen: was just going to ask if you can put my tutorial on the front page |
| 03:39.43 | Alpha_vst | no you fail for having a diffrent data editor view than i do :P |
| 03:39.45 | Sixen | Mhmm, just saw the link |
| 03:39.46 | Sixen | checking it out |
| 03:39.58 | quadir | Pandepic: meaning if you're using it for some kind of polling, you may be better off to put a mutex on it. |
| 03:40.07 | Sixen | Whoa, that's pretty extensive. |
| 03:40.14 | quadir | Pandepic: which bliz provided in the "critical section" action, which requires a global boolean variable. |
| 03:40.35 | Pandepic | mutexes are expensive, and I don't use those timers for polling things |
| 03:40.39 | Sixen | Looks good man. |
| 03:40.44 | Pandepic | usually there's a better way to do whatever you want to do |
| 03:40.57 | quadir | Pandepic: care to enlighten me then? |
| 03:41.05 | Pandepic | I'm not sure what you're doing exactly |
| 03:41.17 | quadir | Pandepic: trying to move my creeps on a TD where I have an array of Points defining the path |
| 03:41.28 | Pandepic | can't you just que move orders? |
| 03:41.29 | Pandepic | queue* |
| 03:41.37 | Alpha_vst | yes he could |
| 03:41.41 | quadir | hmmmm |
| 03:41.47 | quadir | I hadn't really thought of that |
| 03:41.50 | Pandepic | =P |
| 03:41.52 | quadir | that's interesting |
| 03:41.56 | Alpha_vst | lol |
| 03:41.56 | quadir | what happened when they bug out? |
| 03:42.04 | Pandepic | if you have no MeleeInitAI |
| 03:42.05 | quadir | right now some of them bug out :( |
| 03:42.05 | BoltHead | hey sixen |
| 03:42.07 | Pandepic | they shouldn't bug out |
| 03:42.11 | Alpha_vst | how can they |
| 03:42.13 | BoltHead | i made a Build button that crashes SC |
| 03:42.16 | Pandepic | but you can just check any units that are not moving |
| 03:42.21 | Pandepic | and reset their move queue |
| 03:42.25 | Alpha_vst | yeah |
| 03:42.30 | quadir | but I don't know how far along they are |
| 03:42.35 | Pandepic | sure you do |
| 03:42.35 | quadir | well I guess I do |
| 03:42.39 | Pandepic | if each part of your TD is a region |
| 03:42.40 | Pandepic | =P |
| 03:42.44 | quadir | nah |
| 03:42.45 | quadir | no regions |
| 03:42.47 | quadir | all Points |
| 03:42.54 | Pandepic | you could use regions to unstuck units |
| 03:42.55 | Pandepic | if you need to |
| 03:43.16 | BoltHead | my friend Chris tried it and it crashed his comp too |
| 03:43.19 | quadir | right now for unstuck I loop through my points and calculate which one they are the closest to |
| 03:43.29 | Pandepic | ah |
| 03:43.31 | quadir | but I guess that tells me where in the queue they are |
| 03:43.35 | Alpha_vst | quadir use pathing layer |
| 03:43.37 | quadir | and I could re-queue all points after that one |
| 03:43.37 | Pandepic | yeah it does |
| 03:43.41 | Alpha_vst | and issue one oder |
| 03:43.51 | quadir | Alpha_vst: does that really work? |
| 03:43.53 | Sixen | It crashes SC, BoltHead? |
| 03:43.56 | Alpha_vst | then if the units are idle reissue that order |
| 03:44.05 | Pandepic | yeah alpha's way will work for most mazes |
| 03:44.13 | Pandepic | I can't think of a map it wouldn't work on |
| 03:44.16 | Pandepic | unless like |
| 03:44.18 | quadir | Alpha_vst: does the pathing layer really work? |
| 03:44.19 | BoltHead | yes lol |
| 03:44.22 | Pandepic | you have some open areas where they can go multiple ways |
| 03:44.23 | Alpha_vst | yes |
| 03:44.24 | Sixen | How? :X |
| 03:44.33 | Pandepic | and they have to go one way and then the other later |
| 03:44.51 | BoltHead | I was trying to get an SCV to build a phonton cannon using the SCV builder skill |
| 03:44.56 | quadir | Pandepic: hm, that is a minor issue |
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| 03:45.16 | quadir | Pandepic: can't do a path where they cross an intersection in 2 directions |
| 03:45.19 | quadir | yeah that kind of sucks |
| 03:45.24 | Pandepic | you couldn't with one order |
| 03:45.25 | quadir | and is pretty basic |
| 03:45.25 | BoltHead | i'll try to replicate it with a differant building but right now I'm looking at my buddies map |
| 03:45.27 | Pandepic | but if you queue orders |
| 03:45.28 | Pandepic | you still can |
| 03:45.35 | Sixen | interesting |
| 03:45.37 | quadir | yeah I'm going to try this queue order thing |
| 03:45.40 | Alpha_vst | i was jsut giving a suqggestiong |
| 03:45.40 | Pandepic | k |
| 03:45.47 | quadir | the "Simple TD" tutorial hadn't mentioned that :) |
| 03:45.53 | Pandepic | alpha's suggestions is better for any maze without that kind of area |
| 03:45.59 | Sixen | Bolt, can you post something about it in the mapster GalaxyEdit Bugs forum whenever you get some spare time? |
| 03:46.10 | Alpha_vst | yeah i assumed it was a basic maze |
| 03:46.17 | Pandepic | so did I pass your news page tests Sixen? =D |
| 03:46.29 | Sixen | Yeah, already posted in our news noets |
| 03:46.29 | Sixen | :) |
| 03:46.34 | Pandepic | my life is now complete <3 |
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| 03:48.07 | Alpha_vst | LOL |
| 03:49.16 | Alpha_vst | im thinking about turning fog back on... |
| 03:50.17 | Alpha_vst | should i turn fog on? or keep it off? |
| 03:50.27 | Pandepic | depends on one thing |
| 03:50.35 | Pandepic | should people know where the enemy points are? |
| 03:50.39 | Pandepic | or have to find them |
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| 03:51.03 | Alpha_vst | my reason is only for performance issues :P |
| 03:51.35 | Alpha_vst | the frame rate drops the larger my map gets |
| 03:51.39 | Pandepic | hha |
| 03:51.40 | Pandepic | haha* |
| 03:51.55 | Pandepic | does fog improve the performance much? |
| 03:52.08 | Alpha_vst | full view of a 256 map is a lot it seems |
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| 03:54.02 | Olat | Any one know of a good Tutorial for the Data Editor.. I mean I get most of it.. and ive made a hero watching the tutorials... but like how do you guys make new spells with it? |
| 03:55.26 | RickAx | Spells are either done through data editor or triggers |
| 03:55.54 | Olat | I got a really cool spell Idea, just no idea how to go about making it in the Data Editor |
| 03:56.12 | RickAx | Well, tell me what it does and I'll give you suggestions |
| 03:56.23 | Alpha_vst | im running a fps test right now |
| 03:56.51 | Alpha_vst | im starting at 60 fps average for a 70x70 map |
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| 03:57.13 | BoltHead | well building nexus worked... |
| 03:58.10 | BoltHead | Pandepic how do I make it so my toss buildings don't require a pylon? |
| 03:58.20 | Pandepic | I think it's a behaviour |
| 03:58.38 | Pandepic | Power User |
| 03:59.10 | Alpha_vst | hmmmmmmmm |
| 03:59.13 | Pandepic | remove that from the behaviours field |
| 04:00.20 | Alpha_vst | im confused |
| 04:00.31 | AsaPhelps | can you revive units in the data editor or do you need triggers |
| 04:01.12 | Alpha_vst | triggers... |
| 04:01.17 | quadir | is there a way to clear the unit order queue? |
| 04:01.29 | quadir | asside from a 'replace orders' order |
| 04:01.35 | Alpha_vst | stop |
| 04:01.36 | Pandepic | you can set the next order to replace all existing ones |
| 04:01.52 | quadir | Alpha_vst: I was thinking stop too, but I can't find it in issue order |
| 04:01.56 | BoltHead | can't stop it ingame without replacing order too |
| 04:02.07 | Pandepic | just make the next order replace all existing orders |
| 04:02.09 | Alpha_vst | hold postion |
| 04:02.28 | quadir | neg |
| 04:02.36 | quadir | also not there |
| 04:02.37 | Alpha_vst | targeting no point |
| 04:02.40 | Alpha_vst | it is |
| 04:03.01 | Alpha_vst | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:03.18 | quadir | hm, I'll maybe try another unit - order then |
| 04:03.22 | quadir | cause my current one won't let me |
| 04:03.36 | BoltHead | Have a stack keep track of the order queue - order to stop replacing then reorder ha ha |
| 04:03.36 | Alpha_vst | because you are targeting a point |
| 04:03.44 | BoltHead | sounds good in theory anyways lol |
| 04:03.56 | quadir | ah right |
| 04:04.33 | Alpha_vst | so the map size isnt the preformance issue |
| 04:04.48 | Alpha_vst | if its blank at least |
| 04:05.08 | Alpha_vst | i wonder why |
| 04:05.36 | Alpha_vst | this is odd :P |
| 04:05.47 | Pandepic | so I just found something cool |
| 04:05.51 | Pandepic | Records in Libraries |
| 04:05.51 | Alpha_vst | yeah? |
| 04:06.05 | Pandepic | they seem to be like a struct in C |
| 04:06.12 | Pandepic | you can make variables where the type is your record |
| 04:06.16 | Pandepic | and your record has it's own variables |
| 04:06.48 | BoltHead | Pandepic I fixed it.... sort of |
| 04:06.54 | Pandepic | how did you fix it? |
| 04:07.34 | BoltHead | do dialog boxes support word-wrap? |
| 04:07.50 | BoltHead | I replaced the copied cannon I had with the original one |
| 04:07.56 | Alpha_vst | probably not |
| 04:08.06 | BoltHead | so i didn't fix... i worked around |
| 04:08.12 | Pandepic | lol |
| 04:08.18 | BoltHead | i'm going to place on on the map and see if it crashes |
| 04:09.11 | BoltHead | ok when the building is placed on the minimap it is unveiwable |
| 04:09.18 | BoltHead | in the map* |
| 04:10.17 | BoltHead | Ok i bet it was because there were no actors for the building.... |
| 04:10.36 | BoltHead | and the build skill called for one |
| 04:11.12 | Pandepic | lol |
| 04:11.38 | BoltHead | err silly starcraft |
| 04:11.57 | Alpha_vst | woot so |
| 04:12.13 | Alpha_vst | my zombies max size scales to the size of the map... |
| 04:13.06 | Alpha_vst | not that its exciting :P |
| 04:13.20 | Alpha_vst | but it makes the difficulty harder |
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| 04:15.16 | Alpha_vst | lol |
| 04:16.08 | Alpha_vst | woot max zombie is amount is 1024 |
| 04:16.26 | Alpha_vst | i really cant type |
| 04:17.53 | BoltHead | how do I add an actor to a unit that doesn't have it? |
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| 04:18.59 | Phaos | Hey'o |
| 04:18.59 | Alpha_vst | under actor |
| 04:19.20 | Alpha_vst | do raw view and at the top you will see unitname |
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| 04:19.22 | Alpha_vst | chagne it |
| 04:20.25 | Alpha_vst | hmmm |
| 04:20.28 | BoltHead | CUnit_Name? |
| 04:20.52 | Alpha_vst | its under token |
| 04:21.22 | Alpha_vst | you really odnt have to change to raw view :P |
| 04:27.35 | Phaos | I seem to have an issue on my map where vespene geysers will "dissapear" or rather the model will, and thus their selection area is only clickable by box selecting where it should be |
| 04:28.28 | Phaos | anyone know of this ? |
| 04:28.58 | Alpha_vst | sounds like a bug |
| 04:29.06 | Alpha_vst | does it only happen on your map? |
| 04:29.10 | Alpha_vst | maybe you did something |
| 04:29.32 | Phaos | it only happens when I reload the map |
| 04:29.47 | Phaos | reopen* |
| 04:30.23 | Phaos | if I place new geysers they are normal |
| 04:32.00 | Pandepic | sometimes my models disappear from my terrain in the editor |
| 04:32.04 | Pandepic | for no reason |
| 04:32.06 | Pandepic | and I have to reload my map |
| 04:32.18 | Pandepic | I haven't been able to work out why |
| 04:32.21 | Phaos | that happens to me as well, but reloading fixes it |
| 04:32.29 | Pandepic | might just be a bug |
| 04:32.51 | Alpha_vst | ive never seen it before |
| 04:32.52 | Phaos | this, they just seem to dissapear, they are still there, selectable and everything (tiny selection circle to boot) just have no model |
| 04:32.57 | Pandepic | oh |
| 04:33.04 | Pandepic | don't think I've seen it quite like that |
| 04:33.05 | Alpha_vst | you have bad models |
| 04:33.14 | Pandepic | alpha, your face is a bad model =D |
| 04:33.41 | Alpha_vst | if you delete a unit and dont delete them in the map they will stay around |
| 04:33.42 | Phaos | you mean the model has a bad link somewhere. because if I place a new geyser of the same type, it appears as it should |
| 04:34.18 | Pandepic | no it doesn't happen because I did anything |
| 04:34.21 | Pandepic | it just happend randomly |
| 04:34.24 | Pandepic | when I wasn't doing anything |
| 04:34.29 | Pandepic | happens* |
| 04:34.35 | Pandepic | I think it might be my video card |
| 04:34.53 | Alpha_vst | probably |
| 04:34.56 | Phaos | i get the whole vanishing building act that pandepic is talking about if I leave my tools on pathing mode for too long O.o |
| 04:34.59 | Alpha_vst | i dont get that issue |
| 04:35.06 | Pandepic | haha pathing mode huh? |
| 04:35.11 | Pandepic | I wonder if I was doing that as well |
| 04:35.11 | Phaos | yep |
| 04:35.44 | Phaos | something to try next time any of these two bugs happens to me is to shove it on wireframe and see if they are still there |
| 04:36.03 | Pandepic | I didn't think of trying wireframe |
| 04:36.20 | Phaos | I only thought of it now |
| 04:36.20 | Pandepic | I just reload my map and it's fixed |
| 04:36.27 | BoltHead | meh the way these triggers are confuse me |
| 04:36.42 | BoltHead | I just want to specifiy a unit type belonging to a player.... |
| 04:37.18 | Phaos | triggers = what happens? why does it happen? Whats your response? |
| 04:37.27 | Alpha_vst | what would be a cause of fps loss? |
| 04:38.00 | Phaos | losts of listeners alpha |
| 04:38.06 | Phaos | lots* |
| 04:38.10 | Alpha_vst | whats a listener? |
| 04:38.20 | Phaos | anything that is watching for something to happen |
| 04:38.33 | Phaos | like a "wait till x happens" |
| 04:38.56 | Alpha_vst | hmmm |
| 04:39.01 | Alpha_vst | i dont think i have a lot... |
| 04:39.12 | BoltHead | How do you specify a SCV when it wants a "unit group" |
| 04:39.14 | Alpha_vst | and it only happens when i have a lot of units in the game |
| 04:39.28 | Alpha_vst | i lowered the max basic unit type to 800 |
| 04:39.36 | Phaos | probably your AI code running for each individual zombie |
| 04:39.55 | Alpha_vst | i dont ever select all units |
| 04:39.59 | Alpha_vst | or anything like that |
| 04:40.20 | Alpha_vst | well thats a lie i do once |
| 04:40.25 | Pandepic | having lots of units in the game is a cause of lag lol |
| 04:40.26 | Alpha_vst | evry 1 sec |
| 04:40.28 | Alpha_vst | FUCK |
| 04:40.42 | Phaos | :D |
| 04:40.51 | BoltHead | i want to select all SCVs? |
| 04:40.53 | Alpha_vst | every second im selecting all units :( |
| 04:40.56 | BoltHead | can i not do that? |
| 04:40.57 | Pandepic | lol |
| 04:41.02 | Phaos | that will be the issue |
| 04:41.08 | Alpha_vst | that is the issue |
| 04:41.19 | BoltHead | I want the trigger to say this... |
| 04:41.23 | Alpha_vst | i will try every 3 srconds |
| 04:41.40 | BoltHead | "Pan the camera for picked player to SCV owned by picked player" |
| 04:41.54 | Alpha_vst | its like the very most important trigger in my whole game |
| 04:41.56 | Alpha_vst | GAH!!!!!!! |
| 04:42.19 | Phaos | there is always a way to make it more functional |
| 04:42.50 | Phaos | do you really need the zombies rethinking their orders every second ? |
| 04:43.00 | quadir | if you set a background image for your map loading screen, any way to remove it? |
| 04:43.01 | Alpha_vst | no |
| 04:43.16 | Alpha_vst | its my entering of regions trigger |
| 04:43.36 | Alpha_vst | and no unit enters region wont work |
| 04:43.40 | Alpha_vst | :( |
| 04:43.55 | Phaos | even 2 seconds will be fast enough |
| 04:44.04 | Alpha_vst | i set it to 3 |
| 04:44.13 | Phaos | until you find a better solution |
| 04:44.18 | Alpha_vst | i have a global peridoc event |
| 04:44.23 | Alpha_vst | of 3 seconds |
| 04:44.25 | BoltHead | can you not ever select units from a tree for triggers? |
| 04:44.35 | Alpha_vst | ? |
| 04:44.45 | BoltHead | I want to choose units of SCV type... |
| 04:45.35 | Alpha_vst | HAHA OMG |
| 04:45.39 | Alpha_vst | I JUST SAW SOMETHING |
| 04:45.44 | Phaos | ? |
| 04:45.53 | Alpha_vst | i was running the trigger in my periodic event alraedy |
| 04:46.01 | Alpha_vst | and running itevery 1 seconds |
| 04:46.03 | SixTwo | BoltHead can you not do pick each unit in ( units in region matching condition) then select the scv as value ? |
| 04:46.10 | Alpha_vst | so i was running it every 3 and every 1 |
| 04:46.13 | Phaos | sweet running it twice :D |
| 04:46.43 | xgalaxy | i don't understand how this conjoined behavior works. does it only work if two units are in the same group, have the behavior, and are within the radius? |
| 04:46.43 | Alpha_vst | so every 3 seonds it was running 2 times |
| 04:46.45 | BoltHead | i'll look... |
| 04:47.05 | SixTwo | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:47.21 | SixTwo | that should pick all the scvs of player that you wish |
| 04:47.47 | BoltHead | k |
| 04:48.40 | BoltHead | guess i have to make the picked each trigger first... |
| 04:48.52 | Alpha_vst | i just got a big ass preformance boost |
| 04:48.53 | Alpha_vst | WOOT |
| 04:50.10 | SixTwo | yes first create an action (pick each unit in unit group) then click on last created units and set it to Units in region matching condition. then click on where it says ANY and set it to SCV in value |
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| 04:50.24 | SixTwo | then you can use Picked unit, in actions |
| 04:50.28 | Alpha_vst | yup |
| 04:50.59 | quadir | awesome, you can do: for 0 to -1 do actions |
| 04:51.13 | BoltHead | you have to type the unit name in? |
| 04:51.33 | SixTwo | no, click on (ANY and then go to value |
| 04:51.50 | BoltHead | ohh... silly me thanks |
| 04:52.06 | SixTwo | nps say if it doesnt work |
| 04:52.14 | BoltHead | thats alot work for that.. |
| 04:52.30 | SixTwo | yeah but its also very powerfull :) |
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| 04:53.02 | BoltHead | yeah.... hard to get used to |
| 04:53.13 | Alpha_vst | i got a question... how would i show a placement model of a unit... |
| 04:53.18 | Alpha_vst | which out actually building it |
| 04:53.45 | Alpha_vst | with |
| 04:54.43 | BoltHead | Can you predefine global array values or do you have to use triggers to define each element? |
| 04:54.56 | Alpha_vst | triggers |
| 04:57.11 | quadir | BoltHead: use the default value |
| 04:57.16 | quadir | BoltHead: of the array variable |
| 04:57.29 | BoltHead | yeah I set them in my map init |
| 04:57.42 | BoltHead | Is there a way to do Array.length to some degree? |
| 04:58.06 | Alpha_vst | what do u mean? |
| 04:58.35 | BoltHead | A function that returns the number of elements in an array |
| 04:58.42 | Alpha_vst | dont think so |
| 04:58.50 | Alpha_vst | i use a counter variable... |
| 04:58.51 | BoltHead | meh thats frusterating |
| 04:59.10 | Alpha_vst | i have to reference that shit a lot |
| 04:59.15 | Alpha_vst | AND I MEAN A LOT |
| 04:59.50 | Alpha_vst | every loop i do in my map has to be a number i have no idea what it is :P |
| 04:59.53 | BoltHead | problem is since it is a global varable |
| 05:00.16 | BoltHead | the size is predefined and I'd rather have a function return that value than hardcode it |
| 05:00.23 | BoltHead | or have to change it in two places |
| 05:00.42 | Alpha_vst | you cant change the max size of a array in game |
| 05:01.13 | BoltHead | can you define globals in game |
| 05:01.22 | Alpha_vst | nope |
| 05:01.42 | Alpha_vst | you cant create variables afaik |
| 05:02.09 | BoltHead | meh i'll do it sloppy way then lol thanks =) |
| 05:03.01 | Alpha_vst | the way i do it :P |
| 05:03.16 | Alpha_vst | i have a max of 100 regions that can be from 1 to 100 |
| 05:03.30 | Alpha_vst | so when i create one i have to add a counter |
| 05:04.13 | Alpha_vst | otherwise when i loop though those regions if all 100 don't exist i get a error for each one that doesnt :P |
| 05:05.43 | Alpha_vst | i have 50 variables in my map so far :( |
| 05:06.04 | BoltHead | yeah thats basicly what happened to me |
| 05:06.22 | BoltHead | I essentually had an array index out of bounds error |
| 05:06.33 | Alpha_vst | yeah |
| 05:06.50 | Alpha_vst | I have lots of counters |
| 05:07.03 | Alpha_vst | keeping track of data |
| 05:07.10 | Alpha_vst | and referances |
| 05:07.15 | Alpha_vst | between variables |
| 05:07.25 | Alpha_vst | random is fucking hard |
| 05:07.27 | BoltHead | so I created a global varable to represent the length of the array then for each trigger referancing that i can use the array size varable instead incase i have to change it down the line |
| 05:07.48 | Alpha_vst | yeah |
| 05:07.49 | BoltHead | I havn't even tried doing any random things... |
| 05:08.00 | Alpha_vst | lol my whole map is random... |
| 05:08.28 | BoltHead | I should write a sort array function lol |
| 05:08.36 | BoltHead | that would be funny |
| 05:09.07 | Alpha_vst | im in the process of doing that... |
| 05:11.19 | BoltHead | lol |
| 05:11.57 | BoltHead | is there a more economical way to do a "wait for trigger" than using a boolean? |
| 05:12.07 | Alpha_vst | wait for trigger... |
| 05:12.51 | Alpha_vst | i like how people name the action they want :P |
| 05:13.34 | SixTwo | just a normal Wait, or wait for condition if you need it |
| 05:13.34 | BoltHead | yeah... wait until another trigger had been used =) |
| 05:13.41 | Alpha_vst | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:13.42 | BoltHead | thats an action right? |
| 05:13.58 | Alpha_vst | yes |
| 05:13.59 | SixTwo | yup |
| 05:14.42 | *** join/#sc2mapster Ignorance (~daviddavi@cpe-98-155-15-226.san.res.rr.com) |
| 05:14.55 | BoltHead | I see it now |
| 05:15.05 | BoltHead | thx |
| 05:15.20 | Ignorance | ~seen tehwildcard |
| 05:15.42 | purl | tehwildcard <~Jer@pool-71-122-122-129.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #sc2mapster, 1d 21h 32m 25s ago, saying: 'http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0u5HwLR9Brc'. |
| 05:15.42 | Ignorance | seen tehwildcard |
| 05:16.01 | Ignorance | holy fuck it's up to 80k |
| 05:16.07 | Alpha_vst | what is |
| 05:16.44 | Alpha_vst | with 800 units in the game im gettings 20 fps and not 5 like i was woot |
| 05:16.52 | Triceron | Has anyone played with importing voice clips? |
| 05:16.59 | Ignorance | video of my map |
| 05:17.05 | Alpha_vst | really |
| 05:17.07 | Alpha_vst | which one? |
| 05:17.08 | Ignorance | yup |
| 05:17.12 | Triceron | I'm trying to figure out how to replace sound clips with custom ones |
| 05:17.17 | rrowland | Nice ignorance |
| 05:17.19 | Ignorance | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0u5HwLR9Brc |
| 05:17.31 | Alpha_vst | oh :P |
| 05:17.36 | Ignorance | yuuuup |
| 05:17.39 | Alpha_vst | husky did yours? |
| 05:17.42 | Alpha_vst | awesome |
| 05:17.43 | Ignorance | yuuuup |
| 05:17.55 | Ignorance | To be honest, the only mapmaker |
| 05:18.04 | Ignorance | I see as on-par with me complicated logical shit wise |
| 05:18.08 | Ignorance | is probably rrowland |
| 05:18.26 | Ignorance | I'm sure there's at least a few I don't know, though. |
| 05:18.28 | rrowland | lol Where'd that come from |
| 05:18.30 | Bifuu | pffffffffffffffffffffffffft |
| 05:18.42 | SixTwo | doing your name justice ^^ |
| 05:18.48 | Ignorance | well, I was thinking about how shitty most of the maps were |
| 05:18.48 | Alpha_vst | what about me? QQ :P |
| 05:18.49 | Ignorance | that came out |
| 05:18.54 | BoltHead | wellcome back Mr.FullOfHimself |
| 05:19.08 | rrowland | Me? I didn't say anything lol |
| 05:19.08 | Ignorance | and then I was like |
| 05:19.12 | Ignorance | wow, they're really bad. |
| 05:19.27 | rrowland | Most maps are really bad |
| 05:19.38 | rrowland | To be fair a lot of the ones from the people here are good :) |
| 05:19.39 | Ignorance | and then I was like...who has actually made anything on par with me in terms of how complex it is... |
| 05:19.49 | BoltHead | I've been making SC2 maps for 3 days... |
| 05:20.02 | Ignorance | I'm full of myself for a reason, though. |
| 05:20.08 | BoltHead | I am Ignorant Ignorance |
| 05:20.10 | Ignorance | If anyone knows me from HoN...they'll know. ;) |
| 05:20.18 | BoltHead | what is HoN? |
| 05:20.22 | Ignorance | Heroes of Newerth |
| 05:20.36 | rrowland | That's what I'm playing now that SC2 is down :P |
| 05:20.44 | Ignorance | I made right click deny. |
| 05:20.46 | Ignorance | :O |
| 05:20.50 | Alpha_vst | ? |
| 05:20.56 | BoltHead | oh well thats fine, i'm sure you will learn your not as awsome as you think you are as you improve |
| 05:20.58 | rrowland | Why? lol |
| 05:20.59 | Ignorance | Mod for HoN. Made me famous round there. |
| 05:21.01 | rrowland | Too lazy to hit A? |
| 05:21.19 | Ignorance | Bangerz was like...rofl you should make it |
| 05:21.22 | Ignorance | and then I was like |
| 05:21.23 | Ignorance | kay |
| 05:21.26 | Ignorance | and I made it in like a day |
| 05:21.40 | Ignorance | but I also made like nine other mods |
| 05:21.52 | Alpha_vst | lol |
| 05:22.01 | rrowland | I tried to mod the lobby to show player stats based on k:d ratio |
| 05:22.03 | rrowland | So I knew who to boot |
| 05:22.08 | SixTwo | rrowland you are working on that behemot AI right, is it just me or does alot of the AI code not work proper in the editor ? |
| 05:22.19 | Alpha_vst | yeah im not as good as you guys but i make up for it :P |
| 05:22.20 | BoltHead | If you belive you are the best and can't improve you will limit your horizons durasticly. |
| 05:22.24 | rrowland | But there was some problem with the way player info was updated in the lobby |
| 05:22.26 | Ignorance | rrowland, I'm also the one who fixed Fatal's autokicker to boot people based on other things. ;D |
| 05:22.42 | rrowland | Yeah I am sixtwo |
| 05:22.57 | rrowland | The AI code works it's just not very self explanatory |
| 05:23.03 | Alpha_vst | :P |
| 05:23.05 | Ignorance | well, boot people instantly. It actually had to look up their stats |
| 05:23.06 | rrowland | There are flags that need to be set |
| 05:23.07 | Bifuu | oh yeah im the popular kid at work! |
| 05:23.08 | Ignorance | shit was hilarious |
| 05:23.20 | Ignorance | Bifuu, I still don't know anything you've done. :p |
| 05:23.26 | Alpha_vst | lol |
| 05:23.42 | Ignorance | I don't even think we were friends during the beta phase. Do you know how much that hurts? :_( |
| 05:23.56 | Bifuu | Ignorance: im not working anything to release before Jul 27th |
| 05:24.06 | Ignorance | Sadface. |
| 05:24.09 | Alpha_vst | same |
| 05:24.20 | Ignorance | Okay, that just doesn't make sense. |
| 05:24.23 | rrowland | I'm not sure which map I want to prep for release |
| 05:24.36 | Ignorance | Alpha, do you have no self-confidence? I bet you could complete that map in two weeks if you tried! |
| 05:24.44 | Alpha_vst | im trying |
| 05:24.53 | Alpha_vst | ive been working on it for a while |
| 05:25.03 | Alpha_vst | i keep adding to it :P |
| 05:25.06 | Bifuu | i never even played any custom maps |
| 05:25.08 | Ignorance | meh, it doesn't matter for me. So long as I'm working with tehwildcard, our popularity powers multiply against eachother, so anything we touch turns to gold. |
| 05:25.24 | rrowland | I could: Make Sniper Wars amazing, make Behemoth AI super smart and amazing or make a map of micro-intensive WoW boss fight remakes extending from my thaddius fight everyone seems to like |
| 05:25.25 | Triceron | anyone know much about unit sound/voice files? |
| 05:25.29 | Alpha_vst | im determined to get this map done |
| 05:25.40 | Ignorance | rrowland, make reaper madness. ;) |
| 05:25.49 | rrowland | With bnet lag? No way |
| 05:25.51 | Alpha_vst | i currently have no bugs in my map |
| 05:25.55 | SixTwo | rrowland behemot ai do it ! you know you want to |
| 05:25.57 | Alpha_vst | so thats awesome |
| 05:26.01 | Ignorance | That's how I felt about baneling busters. :( |
| 05:26.10 | Ignorance | Too much math in too little time in too much network latency. |
| 05:26.14 | Phaos | make something new :D and not a remake :D :D |
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| 05:26.29 | rrowland | lol I'm sure I could ask 10 people and I'd get people telling me I should do all 3 |
| 05:26.41 | rrowland | They're all good projects |
| 05:26.43 | Neodeathxp | hey guys |
| 05:26.43 | Ignorance | To be fair, I think when it's done, if you play Sentry Scramble alone, you could actually play pacman. |
| 05:27.08 | Phaos | play and enjoy pacman ? no |
| 05:27.17 | Alpha_vst | lol |
| 05:27.22 | Ignorance | sadface :( |
| 05:27.27 | Ignorance | well, that's not the point, though |
| 05:27.28 | Alpha_vst | i want husky to do a video on my map |
| 05:27.31 | Ignorance | pacman mode would be a joke |
| 05:27.32 | Ignorance | ;D |
| 05:27.36 | Ignorance | but your map isn't finished |
| 05:27.41 | Ignorance | also, Husky never played it :P |
| 05:27.43 | Alpha_vst | i know once its done :P |
| 05:27.49 | rrowland | Husky was playing Micro Tournament |
| 05:27.52 | Alpha_vst | it would be awesome |
| 05:27.54 | rrowland | But never did anything on it |
| 05:28.03 | rrowland | I think it's a map deserving some popularity |
| 05:28.15 | BoltHead | is the "timer" mentioned in "Wait for Timer" like a countdown that is displayed? |
| 05:28.19 | Phaos | who is husky and why do people herald him ? |
| 05:28.26 | Ignorance | Because he likes me. |
| 05:28.29 | rrowland | He's an announcer |
| 05:28.32 | Ignorance | Well, likes my map. |
| 05:28.36 | Ignorance | We've never actually met. |
| 05:28.37 | Alpha_vst | lol |
| 05:28.54 | Ignorance | Honestly, I should probably subscribe to him, though. |
| 05:29.01 | Ignorance | Damn, that was his plan all along! |
| 05:29.02 | Alpha_vst | people watch his shit and if people watched something i made that would rock |
| 05:29.06 | Ignorance | To get me as a subscriber! |
| 05:29.08 | Ignorance | I knew it! |
| 05:29.10 | Alpha_vst | lol |
| 05:29.31 | Alpha_vst | back to my threat system 0.ol |
| 05:29.31 | Bifuu | Ignorance: honestly, the more i read what you type the less i like you |
| 05:29.36 | Ignorance | Good. |
| 05:29.39 | Ignorance | You should hate me. |
| 05:29.47 | Ignorance | I'm a full-of-himself stuck up prick. |
| 05:29.55 | rrowland | I think Bifuu already hates me :P |
| 05:29.56 | Alpha_vst | ignorance hes awesome |
| 05:29.59 | Bifuu | dont have to tell me twice |
| 05:30.11 | Alpha_vst | im sure people hate me :D |
| 05:30.13 | Bifuu | no reason to hate you rrowland |
| 05:30.25 | Ignorance | To be honest, you can't be nice as a modder. You have to push yourself out there. |
| 05:30.28 | Bifuu | you dont stoke your cock in public |
| 05:30.31 | pkol | you guys should throw down |
| 05:30.37 | rrowland | Not that you know of |
| 05:30.38 | rrowland | ;) |
| 05:30.44 | Ignorance | I give people stuff they want all the time. |
| 05:30.45 | Alpha_vst | lol |
| 05:30.53 | rrowland | I do it under my coat |
| 05:30.58 | Ignorance | I do have a problem with getting overwhelmed with requests if I say I'm accepting them. |
| 05:31.07 | Alpha_vst | awwwwwww |
| 05:31.15 | Ignorance | It makes me sad. :( |
| 05:31.24 | rrowland | tbh I thought sentry scramble was pretty simple |
| 05:31.26 | Ignorance | Because I loooooove requests. |
| 05:31.31 | quadir | Alpha_vst: can you use the unit custom value for anything? |
| 05:31.36 | Ignorance | The maze generation took me like a week to figure out. |
| 05:31.37 | Alpha_vst | yeah |
| 05:31.39 | Ignorance | well, two days in class. |
| 05:31.44 | Alpha_vst | lol |
| 05:31.55 | Alpha_vst | yeah its impressive |
| 05:32.07 | Ignorance | It's honestly really simple. |
| 05:32.08 | rrowland | But really that's the only thing it's got going for it |
| 05:32.10 | Alpha_vst | my generation is very simple but its not designed to be hard |
| 05:32.18 | rrowland | I mean, alpha figured it out |
| 05:32.19 | rrowland | So |
| 05:32.20 | rrowland | :P |
| 05:32.24 | Ignorance | rrowland, that's because I didn't have the time |
| 05:32.30 | Ignorance | Alpha DIDN'T figure it out. |
| 05:32.34 | Alpha_vst | ouch what |
| 05:32.38 | Ignorance | maze generation |
| 05:32.44 | Ignorance | you still use random generation |
| 05:32.45 | Ignorance | :P |
| 05:32.53 | Alpha_vst | i could add a bit of checking to my code |
| 05:32.57 | Alpha_vst | and it would work |
| 05:32.58 | Ignorance | lol checking |
| 05:33.13 | SixTwo | rrowland, when I use the Train action, do you know how the priority works ? is higher number higher priority or does priority 0 mean build first ? |
| 05:33.15 | quadir | Alpha_vst: what was the weirdness you saw with custom fields? |
| 05:33.15 | Ignorance | I only check to prevent dead-ends and it's forethought. |
| 05:33.30 | Alpha_vst | quadiri was being a idiot :P |
| 05:33.31 | Ignorance | It's only theoretically possible for one to form in the dead end. |
| 05:33.38 | Ignorance | I've never seen it or heard of it happening. |
| 05:33.41 | Ignorance | err |
| 05:33.45 | Ignorance | in the dead center* |
| 05:33.59 | rrowland | sixtwo I believe higher number is higher priority |
| 05:34.22 | SixTwo | alright thanks, |
| 05:34.32 | Ignorance | but yeah, I'm going to have to make an AI if I intend on making a 'fire mode' |
| 05:34.34 | Ignorance | where you're the fire |
| 05:34.39 | Ignorance | and that's going to be a pain |
| 05:34.44 | rrowland | Couldn't you just start the map out as all 1s (occupied) and then remove outlines of squares? |
| 05:34.48 | rrowland | To form paths |
| 05:34.54 | Ignorance | Yes. |
| 05:35.02 | rrowland | That took me like 2 minutes |
| 05:35.05 | rrowland | Not a week |
| 05:35.05 | Ignorance | Well, except I actually use half squares. |
| 05:35.16 | Ignorance | and I connect from one to the next to the next |
| 05:35.37 | Ignorance | generate a list of random points |
| 05:35.48 | Ignorance | half square between each, unless it's a straight line |
| 05:35.58 | rrowland | Yeah |
| 05:36.02 | rrowland | Not exactly rocket science |
| 05:36.04 | Reactorex | Does anyone here use a Mac? I've got a question about Mac map development. |
| 05:36.06 | Ignorance | in which case I skip that point or do some handling if it's for the center |
| 05:36.21 | Ignorance | It's kind of a pain to make though. |
| 05:36.22 | Alpha_vst | i do Reactorex im on boot camp... |
| 05:36.37 | Reactorex | O.o - didn't expect that. |
| 05:36.40 | Ignorance | Either way, I think we can agree that there's no way Alpha could've figured that out on his own. |
| 05:36.56 | rrowland | You could get elaborate too and do some variance of automatons |
| 05:37.11 | Ignorance | ? |
| 05:37.14 | Alpha_vst | yeah i wouldnt have im not good with math and shit :P |
| 05:37.16 | *** join/#sc2mapster Jcup (ad37e762@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.55.231.98) |
| 05:37.16 | Reactorex | .. is it possible to test out a map with a new library without having to open up the map with the GE? |
| 05:37.28 | Ignorance | oh, non-square edges? :P |
| 05:37.37 | Jcup | Herrro peopleeees |
| 05:37.42 | Reactorex | I'm thinking about writing a lib in Textedit. |
| 05:37.47 | rrowland | Iterate between each cell and set 1 or 0 based on the amount / pattern of 1s/0s around it |
| 05:37.51 | Sixen | AI talk. Interesting. |
| 05:38.10 | Ignorance | oh |
| 05:38.14 | Sixen | reactor, use MapCraft if you don't want to use GE. |
| 05:38.19 | Alpha_vst | i use a simple set of grids and spawn them :P |
| 05:38.21 | Sixen | http://www.sc2mapster.com/assets/mapcraft/ |
| 05:38.31 | Reactorex | That doesn't help with wanting to edit a library. |
| 05:38.45 | Reactorex | I'm already set as far as testing, but not modifying my map. |
| 05:39.03 | Sixen | (10:37:16 PM) Reactorex: .. is it possible to test out a map with a new library without having to open up the map with the GE? |
| 05:39.04 | Ignorance | actually |
| 05:39.05 | Sixen | "testing" |
| 05:39.07 | Ignorance | that was my original plan |
| 05:39.08 | Alpha_vst | i plan to redo my whole map generation though 0.o |
| 05:39.10 | Ignorance | I figured out, though |
| 05:39.10 | rrowland | For instance if a cell has 7 walls around it, it's a dead end |
| 05:39.16 | Ignorance | that there was a serious issue about it |
| 05:39.20 | Reactorex | "new library" :P |
| 05:39.27 | Ignorance | the formation of "islands" |
| 05:39.45 | Ignorance | because there's no way to distinguish between an area covering the whole maze and one covering only a tiny area |
| 05:39.54 | Repo | New map: http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/roadrunnersc2/. tRUMmBRUMR. tRUMR (Manager/Author). Experimental. Approved by Bifuu. |
| 05:39.59 | Repo | New map: http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/zephyr/. Zephyr. irninja (Manager/Author). Approved by Bifuu. |
| 05:40.04 | Repo | New map: http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/lost-maruader/. Lost Maruader. Gemini19 (Manager/Author). Approved by Bifuu. |
| 05:40.08 | Repo | New map: http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/cannon-defense/. Cannon Defense. WarGodz (Manager/Author). Approved by Bifuu. |
| 05:40.13 | Repo | New map: http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/astral-planes/. Astral Planes. Praepo (Manager/Author). Experimental. Approved by Bifuu. |
| 05:40.15 | Reactorex | Bifspam. |
| 05:40.16 | Ignorance | Though, I suspect if I used a single one that always originated at a random point and kept iterating from new points when I hit dead ends, I could make a maze that way. |
| 05:40.18 | Reactorex | o.o |
| 05:40.40 | Ignorance | However, it's kind of an issue since there's no really way to avoid dead ends with it and prevent islands. |
| 05:40.47 | rrowland | Well you could start with all 0s and iterate through the whole map until there were no changes made |
| 05:40.53 | Alpha_vst | i use a moving region |
| 05:41.00 | Bifuu | Reactorex: someone had to do it |
| 05:41.17 | Reactorex | I know. xD |
| 05:41.19 | rrowland | Assuming that your automaton rules are good |
| 05:41.32 | Ignorance | yeah, that's it, though, I could do it via all zeros and just make 'branches' from the side that never touch |
| 05:41.42 | Ignorance | but that would make hellish dead-ends everywhere |
| 05:42.10 | rrowland | Well the second iteration should come and see the dead ends |
| 05:42.16 | rrowland | And fix em up based on rules |
| 05:42.19 | Ignorance | The thing is, the way you make a maze, no matter what the constraints, will give you a different style based on its randomization. |
| 05:42.27 | Ignorance | err |
| 05:42.32 | Ignorance | how it determines its randomization |
| 05:42.39 | Ignorance | and I think I picked a really good one :P |
| 05:42.58 | rrowland | Are you using the box outline method then? |
| 05:43.05 | Ignorance | box outline method? |
| 05:43.08 | Ignorance | oh |
| 05:43.09 | Ignorance | err |
| 05:43.12 | Ignorance | not exactly |
| 05:43.18 | rrowland | That's probably the best / easiest for your purpose |
| 05:43.24 | rrowland | Since you don't want to get stuck in a corner |
| 05:43.25 | Ignorance | It's a lot like it, though. |
| 05:43.36 | Ignorance | I start in the exact center |
| 05:44.06 | Ignorance | then, I go up/down then left/right to the next point about 35 times, don't go to the next point if it's a straight line, except if it's the center, where I'll adjust it one up or one down. |
| 05:44.23 | Ignorance | THen, I go left/right then up/down 35 times to random points then back to the center. |
| 05:44.44 | rrowland | Ah |
| 05:44.53 | Ignorance | The back to the center both ensures proper 'looping' and guarantees an empty point at the center. |
| 05:44.58 | Ignorance | Both key facets of my maze building. |
| 05:45.21 | Ignorance | The even-ness of methods ensures there isn't a right-left or up-down preference in how the maze builds itself. |
| 05:45.39 | Alpha_vst | thats nifty |
| 05:46.03 | Ignorance | Originally, I did one method then the next in sequence |
| 05:46.06 | Ignorance | which was lulzy |
| 05:46.12 | Ignorance | since it maximized the number of dead-ends |
| 05:46.17 | Ignorance | basically put them fucking everywhere |
| 05:46.25 | Alpha_vst | lol |
| 05:46.35 | Ignorance | then I went into theory about how the mazing goes about |
| 05:46.56 | Ignorance | and found by separating them, I could avoid dead ends, and by looping them, I could avoid forming a necessary dead end. |
| 05:47.07 | Ignorance | The center is just a bonus. |
| 05:47.25 | Alpha_vst | bonus :P |
| 05:47.56 | Ignorance | That's what took me about a week. Certainly, understanding a good method after-the-fact is easy, it's finding a good one when you're not even 100% what you want. |
| 05:48.59 | Alpha_vst | yeah that was my issue and why i plan to redo my generating trigger over again |
| 05:49.16 | Alpha_vst | i had 0 clue what to do and how to do it though :P |
| 05:49.37 | Pandepic | <Ignorance> and then I was like...who has actually made anything on par with me in terms of how complex it is... |
| 05:49.38 | Pandepic | lol |
| 05:49.53 | Pandepic | you always give me a laugh when you login Ignorance =P |
| 05:49.58 | Alpha_vst | lol |
| 05:50.03 | Ignorance | I have a very low opinion of most mapmakers, Pandepic. |
| 05:50.12 | Ignorance | w0lfLing, for instance, is a dense motherfucker. |
| 05:50.17 | Alpha_vst | lol |
| 05:50.21 | Alpha_vst | do me do me |
| 05:50.35 | casperb | prone to bugs |
| 05:50.41 | Ignorance | Alpha, you're a lazy fucker who cannot figure out what he wants to do unless it's staring him in the face. :P |
| 05:50.41 | Pandepic | have you seen me and Bifuu's project plans? >> |
| 05:50.50 | Ignorance | But then again, that's pretty obvious. |
| 05:51.03 | Ignorance | Nope. |
| 05:51.04 | Pandepic | also, there are plenty of other good maps that have been made, just most of the public ones were bad |
| 05:51.04 | Alpha_vst | your pretty good at that |
| 05:51.13 | Pandepic | alpha's map is good |
| 05:51.17 | Pandepic | he just rages a lot =P |
| 05:51.20 | Ignorance | Pretty good? I take that as an insult. |
| 05:51.37 | Ignorance | ;) |
| 05:52.03 | Alpha_vst | hopefully tomorrow my new ai will be done :P |
| 05:52.09 | Alpha_vst | i can make a new video :P |
| 05:52.10 | Ignorance | I don't even know what you're working on at all, Pandepic, seriously. |
| 05:52.41 | casperb | hey rrowland you're a decent developer, know how to specify the include path for GUI libs? :P |
| 05:52.41 | Pandepic | sec, on the phone |
| 05:55.12 | Ignorance | I'm really hoping to get options down and make my map more general over the next several days. |
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| 05:55.57 | Alpha_vst | awesome it looked a lot better from the one time i played it |
| 05:56.38 | Alpha_vst | did you tone down the colors? |
| 05:57.03 | Ignorance | I want people to 'vote' on what mode they'll play during matches and have it automatically save their votes. I think I'll have it so they can pick a mode, none or random. I'm also considering letting them pick the modes they're voting for, but that might undermine my ability to save the data in a bank for later use. |
| 05:57.19 | Ignorance | Also might have cameras down so if you scroll it'll detect it. |
| 05:57.25 | Ignorance | like, with the mouse scroll |
| 05:57.35 | Ignorance | and set it to default, so you don't have to double click |
| 05:57.46 | Ignorance | also, with added generality -> new modes easier -> lots of new modes |
| 05:57.47 | Ignorance | ;D |
| 05:57.53 | Ignorance | Sentry Party! |
| 05:57.58 | Alpha_vst | lol |
| 05:58.00 | Alpha_vst | woot |
| 05:59.12 | Alpha_vst | man when i start to get into this trigger its bed time :( |
| 05:59.30 | Alpha_vst | go to bed at 11 cause im awesome |
| 05:59.43 | SixTwo | one of the modes could be instead of having to stay alive longest, have them collect stuff troughout the map for points (Ã la pacman) those points they then can spend somehow, maybe while dead allow purchasing of items, bombs to put down, grease traps etc etc |
| 06:00.11 | Alpha_vst | thats crazy |
| 06:00.22 | Ignorance | Might work. I was thinking of a mode like that. |
| 06:00.39 | Ignorance | I'm also going to try to make it so all of the modes give players something to do while 'dead' |
| 06:01.00 | Ignorance | or the possibility of coming back |
| 06:01.06 | SixTwo | also don't take this the wrong way, but atleast have an option to remove the weird lightning :P makes my eyes hurt playing :/ |
| 06:01.09 | Ignorance | i.e. beacon revival already has this -> ally goes on being |
| 06:01.21 | Ignorance | I think lighting affects all players |
| 06:01.22 | Ignorance | sadface |
| 06:01.23 | Ignorance | :( |
| 06:01.33 | Ignorance | if there's a way to make lighting player specific, I'll do it. |
| 06:01.58 | Ignorance | because I hear two very opposing sides on the issue |
| 06:02.02 | Ignorance | some players loooove the lighting |
| 06:02.03 | Ignorance | others hate it |
| 06:02.36 | casperb | can be turned off in gfx settings tho |
| 06:02.43 | Alpha_vst | really? |
| 06:02.48 | Alpha_vst | thats a pain though |
| 06:03.10 | Ignorance | thing is, though |
| 06:03.12 | Ignorance | there's no way |
| 06:03.15 | Alpha_vst | it made my head hurt playing for to long why i asked if he turned it down seems better |
| 06:03.15 | Ignorance | to give players |
| 06:03.17 | casperb | i.e lowest setting is just diffuse shading |
| 06:03.18 | Ignorance | different lighting right now |
| 06:03.22 | Ignorance | as long as I can tell |
| 06:03.30 | Ignorance | and it can't be turned down because lighting isn't custom |
| 06:03.33 | Ignorance | we 'get' lighting options |
| 06:03.37 | Alpha_vst | yeah |
| 06:03.42 | Alpha_vst | true |
| 06:03.46 | Alpha_vst | sad face |
| 06:03.47 | SixTwo | another mode you could do is, have a planning mode before playing, you setout a path for your sentry to take, and others do so too, players can only view their own paths in the planning mode, then once a timer runs out Play mode enables and sentry's run to the specified spot. then planning mode goes in again |
| 06:04.09 | Ignorance | No, no. That's a terrible idea. |
| 06:04.16 | Ignorance | We want players to be in action |
| 06:04.17 | Ignorance | constantly |
| 06:04.20 | Ignorance | That's the whole point. |
| 06:04.26 | SixTwo | never played frozen synapse ? :) awesome game |
| 06:04.39 | Ignorance | It's a map which has replay value because of its extremely competitive nature and lack of downtime. :P |
| 06:05.37 | Ignorance | That game is built around the turn-based mentality, though. |
| 06:05.41 | Ignorance | Mine...not so much. :P |
| 06:06.18 | Alpha_vst | yeah |
| 06:06.29 | Ignorance | If I ever make a turned-based game or even pseudo-turn based game like Risk |
| 06:06.35 | Ignorance | It'll be based on Settlers of Catan. |
| 06:07.10 | Alpha_vst | goodnight alls |
| 06:08.23 | Ignorance | good night Alpha |
| 06:08.35 | Ignorance | sleep well...unless nightmares make you happier in the long run |
| 06:08.37 | Ignorance | then have nightmares |
| 06:08.40 | Ignorance | :O |
| 06:08.57 | casperb | nn Alph |
| 06:10.49 | casperb | o.O, moved my triggerlibs folder into Base.SC2Data and now it's automagically linked up with the GUI definition even tho the file it's including does not exist.. o.O |
| 06:11.17 | casperb | Also the whole library prefixing thing, taken care off for free it seems |
| 06:12.08 | casperb | Happy and confused :P |
| 06:14.06 | allenmelon | yay, made my first map i guess |
| 06:14.24 | allenmelon | followed the video guide and did the same, made a marine use hunter seeker missile |
| 06:14.33 | allenmelon | against several lings |
| 06:14.49 | allenmelon | awesome, the map editor is easy to use and very flexible |
| 06:15.04 | allenmelon | i still needa learn about triggers though |
| 06:16.02 | Pandepic | ~seen onetwo |
| 06:16.04 | purl | onetwo <ae070b69@gateway/web/freenode/ip.174.7.11.105> was last seen on IRC in channel #sc2mapster, 8h 25m 33s ago, saying: 'haha'. |
| 06:16.13 | Pandepic | allenmelon: read my tutorial =) |
| 06:16.18 | BoltHead | hey Pandepic |
| 06:16.22 | allenmelon | link me? |
| 06:16.30 | Pandepic | http://forums.sc2mapster.com/development/tutorials/3515-trigger-trigger-editor-best-practices |
| 06:16.33 | Pandepic | hey BoltHead |
| 06:16.47 | BoltHead | =) is there some trick to changing the text size in a dialog? |
| 06:16.55 | BoltHead | for a lable |
| 06:16.57 | Pandepic | no idea, I can have a look for you |
| 06:17.02 | Pandepic | I haven't used dialogues yet |
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| 06:18.20 | casperb | BoltHead: Change the Style |
| 06:18.35 | casperb | (of the text itself) |
| 06:18.55 | Pandepic | that's what I was going to try =P |
| 06:19.08 | BoltHead | yeah ... don't know why I hadn't seen that |
| 06:19.12 | BoltHead | thanks |
| 06:19.23 | allenmelon | will read guide pandepic |
| 06:19.27 | Pandepic | yay |
| 06:19.31 | allenmelon | sounds good |
| 06:19.32 | casperb | we need to write a markup reference to text o.O |
| 06:19.36 | allenmelon | its for beginners right? |
| 06:19.40 | allenmelon | noob-friendly? |
| 06:19.44 | casperb | oh yea |
| 06:19.47 | Pandepic | beginners or anybody that needs to learn best practices |
| 06:19.57 | allenmelon | kk, cause i dont know anything about triggers yet |
| 06:20.01 | Pandepic | some veteran programmers could do with reading it >> |
| 06:20.18 | Pandepic | it wont teach you how to write triggers exactly |
| 06:20.30 | Pandepic | it teaches you why things are useful and how to make clean code etc. |
| 06:20.41 | Pandepic | you need to read other tutorials for specific things |
| 06:20.42 | allenmelon | oh |
| 06:20.48 | allenmelon | still worth reading |
| 06:20.50 | Pandepic | =) |
| 06:21.33 | ekcolnovkol | pandepic |
| 06:21.41 | ekcolnovkol | will revive be a lie forever? :( |
| 06:21.43 | Pandepic | hey |
| 06:21.47 | Pandepic | no idea |
| 06:21.49 | ekcolnovkol | q_q |
| 06:21.50 | Pandepic | does it not work at the moment? |
| 06:21.55 | ekcolnovkol | of course not |
| 06:21.56 | Pandepic | I was going to test it out |
| 06:22.00 | ekcolnovkol | else i would not cry about it Q.Q |
| 06:22.05 | Pandepic | I'm reviving my heros with my standard load/save functions |
| 06:22.07 | Pandepic | haha |
| 06:22.10 | ekcolnovkol | does it work? |
| 06:22.15 | ekcolnovkol | do they retain levels? |
| 06:22.17 | ekcolnovkol | o.o |
| 06:22.19 | ekcolnovkol | because if they do |
| 06:22.20 | Pandepic | I'm not doing it yet, but it will work |
| 06:22.25 | Pandepic | when I get around to making it |
| 06:22.25 | ekcolnovkol | i am going to hell |
| 06:22.29 | ekcolnovkol | oh |
| 06:22.33 | ekcolnovkol | so you haven't retained levels yet |
| 06:22.40 | ekcolnovkol | >.> |
| 06:22.41 | Pandepic | I'm doing levels in variables =P |
| 06:22.49 | ekcolnovkol | so no leveling bar? |
| 06:22.56 | Pandepic | I'll do my own |
| 06:22.59 | ekcolnovkol | cheater |
| 06:23.00 | ekcolnovkol | :( |
| 06:23.02 | Pandepic | <3 |
| 06:23.06 | ekcolnovkol | that doesn't count |
| 06:23.08 | ekcolnovkol | q.q |
| 06:23.13 | ekcolnovkol | on the other hand |
| 06:23.14 | Pandepic | no other way to do it that I can see |
| 06:23.17 | ekcolnovkol | my map is almost finished |
| 06:23.18 | ekcolnovkol | xD |
| 06:23.21 | ekcolnovkol | just ffffffffffff revive |
| 06:23.22 | Pandepic | for some reason there's no set exp for hero trigger |
| 06:23.28 | Pandepic | which is lame |
| 06:23.29 | ekcolnovkol | yes i noticed |
| 06:23.31 | ekcolnovkol | ;/ |
| 06:23.36 | Pandepic | you can set most other things ll |
| 06:23.37 | Pandepic | lol* |
| 06:23.48 | *** part/#sc2mapster MaxMode (~Adium@ip68-227-87-18.sb.sd.cox.net) |
| 06:23.55 | ekcolnovkol | q.q blizzard |
| 06:23.56 | Nevir | Pandepic: On variable naming conventions: You might want to delve into choosing good variable names (i.e. something that actually describes what the variable represents - not just "unit1" "unit2" etc) |
| 06:24.04 | Pandepic | oh good catch nevir |
| 06:24.07 | Pandepic | I was intending to do that |
| 06:24.08 | ekcolnovkol | yes |
| 06:24.08 | Pandepic | but forgot |
| 06:24.11 | ekcolnovkol | people tend to do that <.< |
| 06:24.15 | Pandepic | I'll fix it right nowe |
| 06:24.16 | Pandepic | now* |
| 06:24.18 | ekcolnovkol | annoying when i'm trying to 'learn from them |
| 06:24.19 | ekcolnovkol | ;) |
| 06:24.19 | Nevir | It's surprising how non-obvious that is to a lot of people :( |
| 06:24.34 | ekcolnovkol | i neatly organize my stuff :D |
| 06:24.47 | Triceron | woo! I got custom sounds working |
| 06:24.53 | ekcolnovkol | gr84u |
| 06:24.58 | BoltHead | changing the style worked but the tile was just random text... that was default for that trigger |
| 06:25.04 | Triceron | but some of the original unit voices are still being used |
| 06:25.18 | Triceron | I don't know how to get rid of the previous unit voices. THe actor's not sourcing it, so I don't know what gives |
| 06:25.41 | BoltHead | set style to "ObjectiveTitleDisplay" and that was a text input... |
| 06:25.54 | BoltHead | value* |
| 06:26.19 | Pandepic | nevir: just fixed it |
| 06:26.22 | Pandepic | let me know what you think |
| 06:26.49 | Nevir | Looks good :) |
| 06:26.54 | Pandepic | =) |
| 06:27.24 | BoltHead | oh here gues this works... http://static.sc2mapster.com/content/attachments/3/164/3ICE_s_SC2_Styles.jpg |
| 06:27.38 | ekcolnovkol | this again? |
| 06:27.44 | BoltHead | weird way to do styles... |
| 06:29.12 | Nevir | In defining actions - would probably help to have a quick tutorial on how to write action grammar text. Having nicely named actions helps a ton for readability |
| 06:30.07 | Nevir | And a few tips w/ that: if you're dealing with a player, it helps to have "blahblah player _PlayerVar_" in the grammar text, so it reads "blahblah player 1" as opposed to "blahblah 1" |
| 06:31.12 | Pandepic | I didn't know you could do _PlayerVar_ in the grammer text lol |
| 06:31.50 | Nevir | Once you uncheck default grammar text - highlight the word (or words) that you want to be a reference to the variable, and then choose it from the dropdown on the bottom left |
| 06:32.55 | Pandepic | cool |
| 06:33.01 | Pandepic | I'll look at it a bit and then add it |
| 06:33.11 | Pandepic | I completely didn't think about telling people to write good grammer text |
| 06:33.41 | rrowland | grammer huh |
| 06:33.44 | Nevir | It's probably more important for libraries than map triggers, but helpful all around :P |
| 06:34.03 | Pandepic | rrowland totally just saw my tutorial and was like |
| 06:34.07 | Pandepic | "pfft what a noob =D" |
| 06:34.30 | rrowland | I haven't seen it |
| 06:34.52 | Pandepic | good =P |
| 06:35.53 | Nevir | Hmm. So I've got an ability that targets units matching a given validator, all is fine and dandy except that it refuses to target units that are out of the player's vision. E.g. anything that's in fog is untargetable and I get a |
| 06:35.59 | Nevir | ... "must target unit" error |
| 06:36.26 | Nevir | For the love of me, I can't find the flag to let me target outside of vis range, if there is one |
| 06:37.09 | Pandepic | I don't know if there is a flag for that |
| 06:37.21 | Pandepic | I think you're meant to have vision to target things |
| 06:37.22 | Ignorance | oh, I write everything in a single line of galaxy code. |
| 06:37.32 | Ignorance | It's about 750 screenwidths at this point. |
| 06:37.32 | Nevir | Oh, humph |
| 06:37.35 | Ignorance | ;) |
| 06:37.38 | Pandepic | 2good Ignorance |
| 06:37.44 | Nevir | Someone needs to write a whitespace -> galaxy compiler |
| 06:37.50 | Pandepic | *renames his tutorial "how to not code like Ignorance"* |
| 06:37.51 | Pandepic | =D |
| 06:38.17 | Nevir | Or LOLCode, though that'd probably actually get traction -_- |
| 06:38.22 | Phaos | omg only one more terrain cell on my 256 map before it's all prettied up :O |
| 06:38.30 | Phaos | phew this took a long time |
| 06:38.37 | Pandepic | screenshots Phaos! |
| 06:39.00 | Phaos | I will! sooooon |
| 06:39.10 | Phaos | when I actually add it as a project to mapster |
| 06:39.31 | ekcolnovkol | I AM A GENIUS |
| 06:39.33 | ekcolnovkol | :o |
| 06:39.43 | Phaos | why for ? |
| 06:39.48 | ekcolnovkol | just because |
| 06:39.50 | ekcolnovkol | :o |
| 06:39.54 | Ignorance | Lies. |
| 06:39.58 | Ignorance | There is only one genius here. |
| 06:39.59 | ekcolnovkol | it's tru |
| 06:40.03 | ekcolnovkol | oh yeah? |
| 06:40.06 | Ignorance | Yes. |
| 06:40.08 | genius | WHAT NOW |
| 06:40.13 | Ignorance | That's too bad. |
| 06:40.24 | genius | :o |
| 06:40.27 | Ignorance | Genius cannot self-reference make unless it's done in ignorance. |
| 06:40.46 | genius | wat |
| 06:40.55 | genius | why speak in shakespearian |
| 06:41.01 | genius | or yoda |
| 06:41.55 | Phaos | shake-yodian |
| 06:42.00 | rrowland | Man I like how everyone assumed you were talking about yourself when obviously you were referring to me |
| 06:42.22 | ekcolnovkol | oh dame |
| 06:42.52 | Ignorance | rofl |
| 06:43.04 | ekcolnovkol | riffles |
| 06:43.12 | Phaos | man how I like you talking about yourself obviously when reffering you were me |
| 06:43.23 | rrowland | r-r-r-ruffles have r-r-r-ridges |
| 06:43.29 | Ignorance | mmmm ruffles |
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| 06:43.50 | Phaos | I think I missed a couples yous when rearranging that sentence |
| 06:49.55 | rrowland | I need someone who's a million times better than me to do my artwork for sniper wars |
| 06:52.37 | Triceron | :D |
| 06:52.59 | Triceron | How's sniper wars work? I haven't played |
| 06:53.05 | Triceron | is it all ghosts? |
| 06:53.11 | rrowland | Yeah |
| 06:53.17 | Ignorance | rofl rrowland can't do art |
| 06:53.19 | rrowland | You get aimed abilities |
| 06:53.30 | rrowland | I'm a right-side-of-the-brain kinda guy mostly |
| 06:53.50 | Triceron | what kind of art you need? |
| 06:53.54 | Triceron | a splash screen or something? |
| 06:54.04 | rrowland | I can make attractive looking web pages etc but I can't paint, draw, etc for my life |
| 06:54.13 | rrowland | Like |
| 06:54.17 | Triceron | I've gota custom model if you wanna use it :D |
| 06:54.28 | Triceron | uses the ghosts animations |
| 06:54.46 | rrowland | Splash screen, UI stuff, backgrounds for certain dialogs |
| 06:54.56 | rrowland | What is it? |
| 06:55.13 | Triceron | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8PgunmkEgTc |
| 06:55.27 | Triceron | that vid has marine anims, but I exported with ghost anims today, and it works better than marine |
| 06:56.03 | rrowland | Those look pretty cool |
| 06:56.09 | rrowland | But they do look more marine-y |
| 06:56.19 | Triceron | http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v293/Triceron/Commando_Ingame2.jpg |
| 06:56.35 | Triceron | yeah, they're kinda grunty |
| 06:56.47 | Triceron | prolly not ideal sniper |
| 06:56.51 | rrowland | They look different in that one |
| 06:56.53 | rrowland | More slender |
| 06:57.00 | Triceron | its the animations |
| 06:57.15 | Triceron | my comp chugs at frapsing so I haven't done a new vid yet |
| 06:57.20 | Triceron | trying to get voices in |
| 06:57.28 | Triceron | but it keeps defaulting back to the Ghosts |
| 06:57.31 | rrowland | Well I could definitely plug them in and test them out, and let you know what I think |
| 06:57.34 | Triceron | after it runs through |
| 06:57.36 | rrowland | If you were serious |
| 06:57.42 | Triceron | yah |
| 06:58.13 | Triceron | I still have to fix some bug stuff |
| 06:58.24 | Triceron | but it works for the most part |
| 06:58.34 | rrowland | Is it useable now or should I wait? |
| 06:58.45 | Triceron | it's usable |
| 06:58.50 | Triceron | but not perfect |
| 06:59.02 | rrowland | enough to test whether I like the feel or not I'm sure |
| 06:59.11 | Triceron | you use MSN? |
| 06:59.23 | rrowland | Usually AIM but I can get on MSN if you don't have AIM |
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| 06:59.31 | NeoDeathXp | hey guys |
| 06:59.32 | Triceron | yeah I don't use AIM |
| 06:59.48 | NeoDeathXp | Sixen are you there? |
| 07:00.30 | NeoDeathXp | can people access the team pages ok on the website? |
| 07:00.41 | NeoDeathXp | http://www.sc2mapster.com/teams/team-excision/ |
| 07:00.48 | NeoDeathXp | i cannot get here |
| 07:00.51 | NeoDeathXp | and others |
| 07:01.29 | Nevir | Failing for me too - got stuck in an endless redirect |
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| 07:07.12 | Olat | Any one else have the DE messing up when you create a unit first then Duplicate an Actor.. that Unit you created doesnt show up for TokenID of the Actor...? |
| 07:07.43 | Olat | I always have to Duplicate my Actor First if I want to attach it to a differnt Token Id... it doesnt do this for Created Actors.. only duplicated ones |
| 07:08.47 | allenmelon | wheres the map where you control a hero to defend base? it was top on bnet |
| 07:08.53 | allenmelon | resurgence? |
| 07:14.01 | allenmelon | sc2 doesnt start without an internet connection? |
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| 07:14.49 | Dkrchris | hey |
| 07:16.17 | Olat | This damn Actor bug is pissing me off |
| 07:16.48 | Dkrchris | what bug is it |
| 07:17.24 | Olat | Everytime I duplicate an Actor |
| 07:17.31 | Olat | and then try to assign the TokenID to a unit I made |
| 07:17.35 | Olat | The Unit doesnt show up |
| 07:17.43 | Olat | I have to Delete The Unit Delete the Actor |
| 07:17.46 | Dkrchris | i know why |
| 07:17.48 | Olat | Re Duplicate the actor first |
| 07:17.53 | Olat | then make the unit |
| 07:18.17 | Olat | Please enlighten me... this is infurirating when im trying to make items for my heros |
| 07:18.19 | Dkrchris | go back to units (click on that unit until the desctiption tab pops up) hit ok |
| 07:18.32 | Dkrchris | and go back to the actor > assign and it will be there |
| 07:18.35 | Dkrchris | it did that to me too |
| 07:18.38 | Olat | you mean just double click |
| 07:18.44 | Olat | so the pop up window shows? |
| 07:18.50 | Dkrchris | yea just double click on the unit u made |
| 07:18.53 | Dkrchris | and hit ok |
| 07:18.56 | Dkrchris | then redo actor |
| 07:19.02 | Dkrchris | yea |
| 07:19.06 | Olat | any reason why that fixes it? |
| 07:19.09 | Nevir | Note that the editor doesn't refresh unit actors that are attached to the cusor, but *does* refresh them when you place them. It's entirely possible to have no actor on your cursor, but have one when you place |
| 07:19.11 | Dkrchris | idk |
| 07:19.12 | Olat | and why the hell its bugged like that |
| 07:19.19 | Dkrchris | it re recognizes it |
| 07:19.48 | Dkrchris | i just messed up my map somehow =/ all my "units" have freakin splats on them |
| 07:19.52 | Dkrchris | and idk how to take it off |
| 07:20.00 | Olat | Aight ill give that a try.. Im doing this Hero Creation and every time I make an item and do go through all the hoops it just gets annoying |
| 07:20.10 | Nevir | check the events for the splat - make sure it's create is UnitBirth.<unit name> |
| 07:20.35 | Nevir | and/or set the unit token for the splat |
| 07:21.32 | Dkrchris | wheres the event for splat |
| 07:22.15 | Nevir | It's the Events - Events + field of the splat actor |
| 07:24.42 | Dkrchris | hmm but its on all my stuff... like units, structors, 1x1 creep blockers theres huge black smudges all over |
| 07:24.55 | BoltHead | How do I change the units max HP with a trigger? |
| 07:25.14 | Nevir | Yeah; if the actor's event doesn't have a specific unit name, it'll create it for *all* units :-/ |
| 07:25.31 | Dkrchris | aw crap |
| 07:25.40 | Dkrchris | so i gotta go through em all x.x |
| 07:26.13 | Nevir | Filter to just units you've changed and it should be a splat (hopefully you don't have too many modified splat actors!) |
| 07:27.32 | Dkrchris | i see i think i found it |
| 07:28.38 | Nevir | You may want to close/reopen the terrain window after tweaking the event, it might not refresh |
| 07:28.40 | Dkrchris | awsome it worked |
| 07:28.43 | Nevir | swoot! |
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| 07:28.47 | Dkrchris | thx nevir |
| 07:28.52 | Nevir | welcome :) |
| 07:28.54 | Dkrchris | jst saved my map xd |
| 07:28.55 | Dkrchris | xD |
| 07:29.12 | Dkrchris | i have a back up map but dont feel like doing it all over again x.x |
| 07:29.20 | Olat | Bolt |
| 07:29.23 | Olat | You still there? |
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| 07:29.52 | Dkrchris | did it work olat? |
| 07:29.57 | Olat | Bolthead, In Action - Unit Tab - Set Unit Property |
| 07:30.08 | Olat | I havent made any new items Dk, hadta take a leak |
| 07:30.38 | Olat | I got a question. Right now I want to make my Weapon Model be a Doodad or Prop. |
| 07:30.46 | Olat | but when I duplicate the Crate Model |
| 07:30.56 | Olat | I cant get it to appear on screen in game |
| 07:31.12 | Dkrchris | ok ez |
| 07:31.13 | Olat | I am forced to use a Unit Model like a Medivac for a health kit or weapon |
| 07:31.18 | Dkrchris | this is what u do |
| 07:31.30 | Dkrchris | use a unit or a building actor |
| 07:31.38 | Dkrchris | change the art models to the crate |
| 07:31.58 | Olat | So just go into Art - Model and pick crate? |
| 07:32.01 | Dkrchris | i use doodads for my "gates" |
| 07:32.02 | Olat | I thought I tried that. 1 sec |
| 07:32.23 | Dkrchris | let me see ill help ya |
| 07:32.58 | Dkrchris | yes you can |
| 07:33.00 | Dkrchris | it works |
| 07:33.08 | Dkrchris | for example |
| 07:33.24 | Dkrchris | if you go to Zergling > actor > art -model you can set it to Crate |
| 07:33.26 | Olat | so i just duplicated the wrong thing |
| 07:33.35 | Olat | I was duplicating the doodad actor and that was the issue |
| 07:33.36 | Dkrchris | yea u cant dupe doodads |
| 07:33.44 | Olat | Use a Unit Actor but use the Doodad Model |
| 07:33.44 | Dkrchris | just dupe Units/Structures |
| 07:33.46 | Dkrchris | for id tags |
| 07:33.49 | Olat | cool |
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| 07:34.02 | *** mode/#sc2mapster [+o Sixen] by ChanServ |
| 07:34.09 | Olat | Im good at triggers.. Data editor is my worst nightmare |
| 07:34.20 | Olat | Just sooo much shit and its confusing and overwhelming |
| 07:34.27 | Dkrchris | lol funny |
| 07:34.35 | Dkrchris | im perfect at data editor and terrian jobs |
| 07:34.42 | Dkrchris | but i suck at triggers and scripts |
| 07:34.43 | Olat | We should be best friendsd |
| 07:34.46 | Dkrchris | xD |
| 07:34.48 | Olat | <--- Programmer |
| 07:34.55 | Olat | I went to school for Game Design and Dev |
| 07:35.07 | Olat | Triggers is just crappy code in a UI |
| 07:35.24 | Dkrchris | hey if you get what i need i can gladly do what u need |
| 07:35.51 | Olat | Im just learning the editor right now.. im on like day 4 of working with any of Blizzards editor for the first time |
| 07:36.06 | Dkrchris | ull get the data editor fast |
| 07:36.08 | Dkrchris | its easy |
| 07:36.12 | Olat | Im following tuturoials and working my way through everything before i go balls to the walls fast |
| 07:36.19 | Dkrchris | but ill never understand the triggers >.> |
| 07:36.23 | Olat | I got a GREAT idea to win this spell Contest |
| 07:36.30 | Olat | BUT i have no idea how to use the Editor to make it |
| 07:37.01 | Dkrchris | i got a question for anyone who knows |
| 07:38.01 | Dkrchris | i got a assimulator that has "building share on it" the building is neut. for players but i want the Assimulator to build, buildings for the player that uses it, in my test it build the building for neut how do i get it to work for that player useing it |
| 07:38.37 | Olat | You need to assign a player to the building based on the triggering units player |
| 07:38.43 | Olat | That would be my best guess |
| 07:38.56 | Dkrchris | i got it set up through the data editor |
| 07:39.04 | Dkrchris | no triggers on my map :P |
| 07:39.09 | Olat | *laugh* No idea then |
| 07:39.17 | Olat | Im pretty sure in triggers I can get it done |
| 07:39.53 | Dkrchris | brb bathroom break |
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| 07:42.57 | *** mode/#sc2mapster [+o Sixen] by ChanServ |
| 07:44.19 | *** part/#sc2mapster Olat (61659d2f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.97.101.157.47) |
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| 07:50.59 | Sixen | Hai Motive |
| 07:51.04 | MotiveMe | Hai Sixen |
| 07:52.12 | MotiveMe | I'm slightly ashamed to say I just woke up from a 14-hour "nap." |
| 07:52.21 | MotiveMe | I was totally not expecting to sleep that long. |
| 07:53.22 | casperb | 14 hour long nap? |
| 07:53.28 | casperb | How long do you sleep for? o.O |
| 07:53.47 | MotiveMe | Usually less than half that long. xD |
| 07:54.00 | casperb | hehe |
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| 08:01.05 | Demonette | Hi guys |
| 08:01.48 | *** join/#sc2mapster Repo (~supybot@repos.curseforge.net) |
| 08:02.08 | Demonette | Lol... nobod is there =) |
| 08:05.11 | casperb | Am here ^^ |
| 08:06.48 | MotiveMe | 4am xD |
| 08:07.09 | casperb | 10 am :P |
| 08:07.12 | casperb | and still up o.o |
| 08:07.17 | Demonette | ^^ |
| 08:07.19 | Demonette | woho |
| 08:07.28 | Demonette | 2 ones are there =) |
| 08:07.41 | Demonette | and the rest is away ;) |
| 08:08.15 | casperb | Any IRC channel, 90% idlers, 10% regulars, and 1% online :P |
| 08:08.18 | Jcup | meow :D |
| 08:09.06 | Demonette | and still up? OMG I think i would turn sleeping directly after more then 24 h awake |
| 08:09.15 | Demonette | Meow... that makes 3 ones =) |
| 08:09.24 | Jcup | lol |
| 08:09.26 | Jcup | yay |
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| 08:09.51 | Demonette | well and 90 + 10 +1 are more then 100 ^^ i think that should be ;) |
| 08:09.58 | Demonette | shouldn't... |
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| 08:10.29 | rrowland | Well there are 90 + 10 % here but only 1% are actually not AFK |
| 08:10.33 | rrowland | Makes sense |
| 08:10.43 | casperb | Anyone have any idea on how to specify include's for a GUI lib spec? |
| 08:11.36 | rrowland | As far as I know you can't include anywhere in trigger editor |
| 08:12.28 | casperb | Lib's have to have the ability tho? o.o |
| 08:12.39 | casperb | otherwise how can you include your code |
| 08:12.56 | MotiveMe | You import a library |
| 08:13.01 | MotiveMe | or export it by right-clicking it I believe |
| 08:13.03 | casperb | yeah |
| 08:13.10 | casperb | but not inlining the code |
| 08:13.24 | casperb | i.e actual written code rather than GUI click and click and click and click |
| 08:13.32 | Pandepic | Jcup |
| 08:13.33 | MotiveMe | I don't think their VM is smart enough to inline. |
| 08:13.35 | Pandepic | you crazy |
| 08:14.07 | casperb | not inline in that sense, inline in the xml definition |
| 08:15.53 | Jcup | why am I crazy |
| 08:15.57 | Jcup | DDDDDD:::::: |
| 08:16.19 | Sixen | Jesus |
| 08:16.21 | Sixen | 14 hours? |
| 08:16.22 | Pandepic | you craaaazy |
| 08:16.29 | Pandepic | (youtube video) |
| 08:16.46 | Jcup | oh :3 fiiire is fun |
| 08:16.47 | Jcup | :D |
| 08:16.50 | Pandepic | haha |
| 08:16.53 | Pandepic | such a pyro! |
| 08:16.55 | MotiveMe | Yeah |
| 08:16.55 | MotiveMe | xD |
| 08:17.18 | MotiveMe | On the bright side, I'm not going to be tired for a very long time. |
| 08:17.18 | MotiveMe | LOL |
| 08:17.22 | Sixen | Rofl, no doubt. |
| 08:17.23 | Jcup | Im having brain farts with other spells I wanna make, I made another but I dont like it lol |
| 08:17.38 | Sixen | :P |
| 08:17.51 | Pandepic | try to make one even more fiery than the last |
| 08:17.53 | Pandepic | =P |
| 08:18.00 | Jcup | o.o |
| 08:18.09 | Jcup | sc2 will asplode! |
| 08:18.12 | Pandepic | =D |
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| 08:19.46 | Beer | derp? |
| 08:20.05 | Beer | hurpa derpa? |
| 08:20.07 | Jcup | the new spell I made it turned a unit into a bomb and it ticked down for 10 seconds the bombs strength was based off of its energy percent and as the bomb ticked down it stole energy from enemy units |
| 08:20.07 | Pandepic | LOL funny foreign hotel signs |
| 08:20.09 | Pandepic | "In a Zurich hotel: |
| 08:20.10 | Pandepic | Because of the impropriety of entertaining guests of the opposite sex in the bedroom, it is suggested that the lobby be used for this purpose." |
| 08:20.37 | Beer | is this heaven? |
| 08:20.47 | Pandepic | wat |
| 08:20.50 | Beer | Where am i? |
| 08:21.02 | Pandepic | in Sixen's torture chamber |
| 08:21.04 | Jcup | Ur in Beer |
| 08:21.11 | Beer | wat?! |
| 08:21.13 | Jcup | ew wtf thats kinky |
| 08:21.26 | Jcup | :P |
| 08:21.34 | Beer | O.O |
| 08:22.00 | Pandepic | "In a Rome laundry: |
| 08:22.00 | Pandepic | Ladies, leave your clothes here and spend the afternoon having a good time." |
| 08:22.38 | Beer | im scared. |
| 08:23.48 | Jcup | yay I skurred uu |
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| 08:24.48 | Sixen | I smell a rat. |
| 08:25.06 | Liquidor | Hi |
| 08:25.16 | sixen_ | lol |
| 08:25.19 | Demonette | a rat oO |
| 08:25.44 | Jcup | :O there is a baby sixen hurr |
| 08:25.53 | Sixen | lawl |
| 08:25.59 | casperb | evil twin brother perhaps? |
| 08:26.18 | Jcup | sixen jr :D |
| 08:26.25 | Pandepic | Sixen already has a fanboy =O |
| 08:27.03 | sixen_ | :D |
| 08:27.05 | Demonette | XD |
| 08:27.06 | Jcup | *screams* AHHH SIXEN *screams* *Pass out* |
| 08:27.14 | Sixen | :P |
| 08:27.14 | sixen_ | i am your son. |
| 08:27.18 | Sixen | Who's the mother? |
| 08:27.26 | sixen_ | myself |
| 08:27.30 | Jcup | o.o |
| 08:27.32 | Sixen | That's interesting |
| 08:27.40 | sixen_ | i am also my father |
| 08:27.46 | Jcup | u had sex with ur son mother father!? |
| 08:27.51 | Pandepic | Jcup you scared away Beer |
| 08:27.52 | sixen_ | no |
| 08:27.54 | Pandepic | =P |
| 08:27.57 | sixen_ | i am my father |
| 08:28.04 | Jcup | son mother? |
| 08:28.12 | sixen_ | ... |
| 08:28.14 | Jcup | lol Pandepic yay :D |
| 08:28.35 | *** kick/#sc2mapster [sixen_!~Sixen@173-25-23-10.client.mchsi.com] by Sixen (This place ain't big 'nuff for the two of us. DRAW! Pow. You died.) |
| 08:28.36 | Jcup | So he had sex with his son... lady man? |
| 08:28.44 | Jcup | o.o |
| 08:28.47 | Sixen | He's dead. |
| 08:28.54 | Liquidor | Aww I was just about to tell him ! |
| 08:28.55 | Jcup | U murdered ur own son! |
| 08:28.57 | *** part/#sc2mapster SouLCarveR (~appletong@adsl-99-145-125-36.dsl.applwi.sbcglobal.net) |
| 08:29.00 | Sixen | I'm a terrible person |
| 08:29.00 | Sixen | :( |
| 08:29.05 | Demonette | XD |
| 08:29.08 | Jcup | Ehh u can make more its ok |
| 08:29.10 | Jcup | :D |
| 08:29.16 | Demonette | He diead!! Yeah |
| 08:29.17 | Sixen | Oh so true :) |
| 08:29.33 | Jcup | U can have an army of sixen jrs :D |
| 08:29.36 | Liquidor | Just spam "sixenXXX" at http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=SC2Mapster |
| 08:29.51 | Jcup | and they can raid enemy irc's! |
| 08:29.58 | Jcup | or wow... |
| 08:30.06 | Jcup | W.e tickles ur fancy |
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| 08:31.10 | meow | Mreow |
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| 08:31.21 | rawr | rawr |
| 08:31.24 | meow | No! |
| 08:31.31 | Liquidor | lol |
| 08:31.35 | meow | MEOW |
| 08:31.39 | rawr | RAWR |
| 08:31.45 | meow | ME FREAKIN OW! |
| 08:31.49 | Sixen | =o |
| 08:32.11 | meow | Muahahaheow :D |
| 08:32.20 | rawr | rawr D: |
| 08:32.41 | meow | Meow! |
| 08:32.47 | meow | (I almost typed Moo :D) |
| 08:32.56 | meow | Moo :3 |
| 08:33.10 | meow | I can see myself typing |
| 08:33.14 | meow | Its spooky |
| 08:33.23 | Jcup | o.o |
| 08:33.28 | Jcup | Spooky wooky |
| 08:33.58 | Liquidor | Jcup [ad37e762@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.55.231.98] |
| 08:34.00 | Liquidor | meow [ad37e762@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.55.231.98] has joined #sc2mapster |
| 08:34.17 | Jcup | wtf did u do too me! |
| 08:34.32 | Jcup | oh lol |
| 08:34.37 | Jcup | IVE BEEN EXPOSED |
| 08:34.59 | Jcup | >.> <.< |
| 08:35.12 | Jcup | that was cheating |
| 08:36.45 | Liquidor | rawr go away! |
| 08:37.13 | Jcup | :"DD |
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| 08:41.41 | XYZ-Muffun | o.O |
| 08:42.15 | XYZ-Muffun | *echo* |
| 08:43.05 | XYZ-Muffun | hai? |
| 08:43.25 | Jcup | *echo* |
| 08:43.31 | Jcup | *echo* |
| 08:43.32 | XYZ-Muffun | ... |
| 08:43.38 | Jcup | hi :D |
| 08:43.43 | Jcup | *echo* |
| 08:43.51 | XYZ-Muffun | Are you a Wizard? |
| 08:44.18 | Jcup | Only if im a lizard :3 |
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| 10:33.06 | *** topic/#sc2mapster is #sc2mapster http://sc2mapster.com/ | Post Bugs/Errors/Feedback with GE in our forums! | Patch 14-16 Undocumented Editor Changes: http://bit.ly/9zWrph | Unit Spells Contest: http://bit.ly/dk1P0E | Idle in #MWE for Milky Way Editor! |
| 10:33.10 | Clord | as far I know... those turrets make their gun turn while unit does not need to..... like in siege tank siege mode |
| 10:33.37 | BoltHead | yeah it doesn't have one...whatsw the turret locking ability (yes i gave it attack) |
| 10:34.41 | Triceron | CAbilAttack_AcquireFilters |
| 10:34.49 | Triceron | do you have that set for your bunker? |
| 10:35.07 | Triceron | so it knows what it's gonna attack? |
| 10:35.31 | BoltHead | sec.. |
| 10:36.03 | BoltHead | ok I managed to add the turret and it works!!! |
| 10:36.15 | BoltHead | thanks i don't know why it wouldn't let me click it a minute ago |
| 10:37.11 | Wihl | er, is there a tutorial for bridges somewhere, i might just be dumb <.< |
| 10:37.24 | Sixen | :P |
| 10:37.25 | xgalaxy | bridges require terrain under them |
| 10:37.49 | Wihl | really? o.O that seems kinda dumb |
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| 10:38.58 | BoltHead | yeah |
| 10:39.01 | wOlfLinG | how would i check to see if a unit can see an enemy, and if so, attack the nearest one? |
| 10:39.11 | BoltHead | I tried giving my bridge pathing |
| 10:39.17 | BoltHead | and it worked but they were under the bridge |
| 10:39.35 | BoltHead | so i thought about making a trigger to modify the unit height while it was in that region... |
| 10:39.40 | BoltHead | but decided i didn't care |
| 10:40.06 | xgalaxy | can someone explain to me how to use this conjoined behavior :/ |
| 10:40.24 | Repo | New map: http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/spell-contest-reflective-shield/. Spell Contest - Reflective Shield. gh0st00 (Manager/Author). Approved by vjeux. |
| 10:40.28 | Repo | New map: http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/queen-macro-trainer/. Queen Macro Trainer. ajfirecracker (Manager/Author). Approved by vjeux. |
| 10:40.35 | Repo | New map: http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/snipers-bald-locks/. Snipers Bald + Locks. sc2snipers (Manager/Author). Approved by vjeux. |
| 10:44.19 | BoltHead | Whats name of the field that I edit to change a units tooltip on the command card? |
| 10:46.16 | Clord | lol it took simple dialogue system to make maps more creative than WCIII.... |
| 10:46.45 | BoltHead | I never made maps for War3 =) |
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| 10:47.15 | BoltHead | there isn't a built in word-wrap is there? |
| 10:47.24 | BoltHead | for the dialogs |
| 10:49.00 | wOlfLinG | I have 2 player groups, zombies and survivors. How would i get it so that when a survivor dies, it gets allied with the zombie player group and enemy to the survivor group? |
| 10:51.36 | Ziron | You make an alliance trigger that does just that? |
| 10:52.20 | Ziron | something like event (survivor dies) triggering player ally group (zombies), triggering player unally group (players) |
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| 10:54.22 | Ziron | you probably want player->set alliance for player group->convert player to player group(triggering player) |
| 10:59.02 | wOlfLinG | What i have now is basically: Unit dies, all players in survivors regard each other as enemy, dead player gets removed and added to the other player group, all players in survivors treat each other as ally |
| 11:03.21 | BoltHead | How do i make a custom tooltip for my buildings on the command card? |
| 11:03.34 | Maul | in buttons in the data editor |
| 11:03.51 | Maul | for instance if you want to change "morph in zergling" |
| 11:04.03 | Maul | search for zergling under the button tab |
| 11:05.08 | BoltHead | ok what is ##id## ? |
| 11:05.20 | Maul | ? |
| 11:05.40 | BoltHead | alot of them are like " Button/Name/##id## |
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| 11:06.18 | Maul | what button do you want to change? |
| 11:06.34 | BoltHead | for my bunker |
| 11:06.52 | BoltHead | i found the button in the data editor and Im guessing CButton_Tooltip |
| 11:07.07 | BoltHead | ohhh |
| 11:07.11 | BoltHead | I was in raw data |
| 11:07.12 | Maul | i just see it as Tooltip |
| 11:07.25 | BoltHead | I see it now |
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| 11:12.13 | depthsofchaos | is it only me or wander behaviour cant be removed?:o |
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| 11:12.48 | BoltHead | Thanks Maul =) |
| 11:13.21 | Maul | np |
| 11:13.40 | Maul | ^-- an example of something to be thrown into the "how to" compilation if anyone's read the thread |
| 11:14.33 | ekcolnovkol | hey maul, i have a complicated question for you :O |
| 11:14.50 | ekcolnovkol | how do i boogie down? |
| 11:14.50 | Maul | i like simple questions :( |
| 11:15.00 | ekcolnovkol | :o |
| 11:15.05 | Maul | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:15.11 | ekcolnovkol | boogie -downs |
| 11:15.30 | ekcolnovkol | i'm too pro to ask questions anymore :( |
| 11:15.32 | ekcolnovkol | q.q |
| 11:15.48 | sjaak | anyone has an idea why this circle is never triggered whether or not I hold shift when clicking on a dialog? http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/5918/hmmmnx.jpg |
| 11:16.42 | Maul | because the event is on a mouse click not button press? |
| 11:17.26 | sjaak | hmm, I want a unit to be added to a selection by clicking on a button |
| 11:17.33 | sjaak | but only if shift is holded |
| 11:18.02 | sjaak | ...and not using the event that generates all the network traffic for each key pressed.. |
| 11:19.22 | Clord | currently I mainly use Warcraft III style dialogs for voting |
| 11:19.32 | Clord | simple and people get instantly what to do |
| 11:19.33 | Clord | XD |
| 11:20.45 | Clord | could easily make checkbox styled one however... so not need multiple dialogues |
| 11:21.02 | Maul | im not sure but i think for your if then to work the player would have to press the shift key the instant the event happens |
| 11:21.06 | Maul | which would be hard |
| 11:26.10 | Maul | if it's just for the start of the map you could use the button press event and turn it off once it's finished |
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| 11:29.06 | sjaak | hmm, maybe I should remove that feature, its not that neccesary :) |
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| 11:34.20 | Clord | sphere grid XD would be crazy ^^ |
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| 11:51.20 | wOlfLinG | How do i get a unit created via a spawn behaviour to follow the spawning unit? |
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| 12:00.42 | Hati | http://pocket.playxp.com/thumbs/678x/1093196?0aa096db23b3f466 can someone translate ? |
| 12:01.31 | Ziron | I don't know korean |
| 12:02.04 | wOlfLinG | Right, ive made a spawn unit behaviour and a trigger to get the unit to auto-follow the creating unit. However its not working. My trigger is here: http://pastebin.com/0fG67kvj |
| 12:02.08 | Ziron | but I'm betting it says "something starcraft related released the 24th day of the 6th month at 11:00!!!" |
| 12:03.25 | Ziron | There has to be a better way to make a move order then that |
| 12:03.45 | Ziron | I'd look into it but my HoN game just started |
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| 12:07.50 | bam_ftw | isnt Closest unit to (Position of (Last created unit) == last created unit? |
| 12:08.09 | bam_ftw | which would make last created unit move to it self |
| 12:08.20 | Hati | depends if it excludes self |
| 12:08.46 | bam_ftw | it cant |
| 12:08.50 | Hati | which i guess it isn't |
| 12:08.51 | bam_ftw | coz it takes point |
| 12:08.54 | Hati | as you check for point |
| 12:09.01 | Hati | meh |
| 12:09.23 | Hati | you cannot morph Missiles :( |
| 12:10.26 | bam_ftw | i think move last cerated unit to triggering unit could work |
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| 12:32.36 | Ziron | ye, last created to triggering should work |
| 12:43.34 | Darkparasit | anyone knows if there is a bug with upgrades with max lvl more than 100?, i just createt a map with upgrades max lvl 100, works fin, then i changend max lvl to 200 and the upgrades dident worked anymore, also after changing back with the "<-" button it doesent work anymore, any idea? |
| 12:50.40 | Demonette | Why my editor crashes before i got to save the map? |
| 12:51.30 | hyarion | you need to save more often ;) |
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| 12:58.58 | Repo | 10yabot: 03xorpwnz * r24 YABOT (8 files in 1 directory): added many new builds and two new maps |
| 13:02.50 | Maul | i think the max size for upgrades is 100 which can't be right |
| 13:03.04 | Maul | either that or 255 but i may be thinking of something else |
| 13:03.22 | Maul | also the max life you can enter is 100,000, which seems rather low also |
| 13:04.15 | Repo | 10yabot: 03xorpwnz 04v0.1.7 * r25 : Tagging as v0.1.7 |
| 13:14.13 | Hati | yay The HitchhikerÂ’s Guide to the Galaxy |
| 13:17.19 | Clord | I found major bug what I tought blizzard's resource system was bugged but in fact XD¨ |
| 13:17.30 | Clord | it was my own mistake with vespene giving |
| 13:23.18 | Motive | max life isn't 100000 |
| 13:23.23 | Motive | somewhere around 500K in my testing |
| 13:23.33 | Motive | lemme look |
| 13:24.10 | Motive | 524287 HP |
| 13:25.25 | wOlfLinG | Is there a comparison to check whether a unit is within 6 range of an enemy? |
| 13:25.55 | Motive | Yes, Point -> Distance |
| 13:29.42 | wOlfLinG | hmm... Can't find how to set the second point to any enemy unit |
| 13:31.36 | Maul | not when you go to type it in, motive |
| 13:32.18 | `3ICE | wOlfLinG units are not points |
| 13:32.26 | `3ICE | you are looking for "position of unit" |
| 13:32.43 | Motive | not when you type it in, but that IS the max health :P |
| 13:33.06 | wOlfLinG | well, i have this so far. CAn't find how to make it any enemy unit though :/ (Distance between (Position of (Picked unit)) and (Position of (Unit 1 from (Any units in (Entire map) owned by player (Player 1 from Survivors) matching Excluded: Missile, Dead, Hidden, with at most Any Amount)))) <= 6.0 |
| 13:33.19 | Maul | still seems a bit low |
| 13:33.38 | Maul | don't see why you can't set health to 10^99999 |
| 13:33.48 | Maul | doesnt it only take up a couple of bytes of memory? |
| 13:33.48 | `3ICE | you can, using behaviors |
| 13:33.56 | Motive | I don't think you can, `3ICE |
| 13:34.07 | `3ICE | well like a life system :) |
| 13:34.10 | Motive | I did my 524287 HP by modifying the life property |
| 13:34.18 | Motive | so it should be the SC2 max. |
| 13:34.32 | `3ICE | once the unit goes below say 1k hp, remove 1 buff and restore health to full |
| 13:34.42 | Motive | yeah but I mean normal life |
| 13:34.48 | `3ICE | unit starts with 10^99999 buffs |
| 13:34.59 | Motive | There's probably a buff limit, too |
| 13:35.02 | Motive | like 128 or something |
| 13:35.10 | `3ICE | i had to use such system for 3ICE's Click Wars for RoC |
| 13:35.17 | Maul | bah sc2 was meant to break limits |
| 13:35.30 | Motive | You're always going to have some limits |
| 13:35.37 | Motive | everything in SC2 is bound by some # of bytes |
| 13:35.38 | Maul | "can galaxy give units more than 524287 life?" "ye- um..." |
| 13:35.53 | Motive | I don't know where 524287 comes from but it's certainly not random |
| 13:37.06 | `3ICE | 524287 is the seventh Mersenne prime |
| 13:37.16 | wOlfLinG | So, could anyone help with this trigger? Unit groups are confusing :/ |
| 13:37.23 | Motive | See, not random. :P |
| 13:37.33 | Maul | still seems low |
| 13:38.01 | Motive | it prolly seems low since it's a real |
| 13:38.07 | Motive | prolly goes from -524287 to 524287 |
| 13:38.11 | `3ICE | btw its 1111111111111111111 in binary |
| 13:38.21 | `3ICE | :)) |
| 13:38.44 | Maul | oh well armor is fun |
| 13:39.00 | `3ICE | so a blizz employee just facerolled a couple 1s in and ended up with 7ffff |
| 13:39.08 | Maul | lol |
| 13:39.23 | `3ICE | five hundred twenty four thousand two hundred eighty seven |
| 13:39.35 | wOlfLinG | Gyahhh!!! >< Why is the GE so confusing with unit groups? |
| 13:39.45 | `3ICE | it really isn't, |
| 13:40.09 | Motive | It's not |
| 13:40.12 | Motive | Unit Groups are awesome :P |
| 13:40.28 | Motive | it's like an std::set but with units |
| 13:41.35 | wOlfLinG | Well, i have this trigger, and i can't find out how to check to see if the unit is within range of an enemy unit, and if not, follow a super zombie. http://pastebin.com/pGNB8ymg |
| 13:41.56 | Motive | because you're approaching the problem wrong |
| 13:41.57 | Motive | use a function |
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| 13:42.12 | Motive | Is In Range of Enemy(unit) |
| 13:42.36 | Motive | unit group - all those in a reasonable range of unit matching condition: enemy of owner of unit |
| 13:42.44 | Motive | return count units in group > 0 |
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| 13:43.15 | wOlfLinG | Right, im off to find a function tutorial, bacause i seem to have no idea where to start with one of them xD |
| 13:43.56 | Motive | Same way you make a trigger |
| 13:43.59 | Motive | except hit function |
| 13:43.59 | Motive | :P |
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| 13:45.05 | Clord | my random spawn locations system checks if anything is in x range of point and if not.. place unit there |
| 13:45.06 | Clord | XD |
| 13:45.20 | Clord | it can easily be used to other purposes too |
| 13:45.25 | Clord | as it is boolean for true and false |
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| 13:47.09 | Liquidor | Could some nice fella explain to me how creating a new ability 100% with the data editor works? Actors? Models? Effects? Behaviors? How is it all connected? |
| 13:47.40 | Clord | just check out those abilities in editor |
| 13:48.50 | `3ICE | it is better to copy an already existing ability. |
| 13:49.01 | `3ICE | less work to do that way |
| 13:49.38 | Liquidor | Oh my bad, I was going to say "new spell" |
| 13:50.25 | Liquidor | I'm looking at the spells in the contest thread and some of them look like to be chained (ie move unit first, morph then do damage), and that kinda makes me confused |
| 13:51.02 | `3ICE | they work jsut like triggers |
| 13:51.14 | Soudeus | anyone know if you can easily change an ability (pure data ability) that targets the ground, to allow also target an enemy unit (so the cursor changes and enemy is highlighted) |
| 13:51.16 | `3ICE | you can wait, spawn units, start timers etc |
| 13:51.21 | `3ICE | triggers are less confusing |
| 13:52.14 | Liquidor | what? do they work like triggers? actions? how? |
| 13:52.18 | Soudeus | ive tried looking at attack move ability, setting the target poitns to target unit/point, cant get it to work |
| 13:53.36 | wOlfLinG | Basically: An ability can chain stuff (eg, an ability could vortex then immidiatly nuke the same place, simply by putting nuke and vortex in the effects box). You can add waits etc as well (So, vortex, wait 2 seconds, nuke) |
| 13:54.20 | Liquidor | So it's all controlled by effects? |
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| 13:54.59 | wOlfLinG | pretty much |
| 13:55.23 | wOlfLinG | The actual ability just calls the effects, sets the cost, and other things |
| 13:56.33 | wOlfLinG | For instance, a build ability with say a Nexus, without setting any costs, would let you build free nexus's, due to the cost being on the actual ability rather than the effect or building |
| 13:56.51 | Liquidor | Yeah that part I get |
| 13:56.58 | depthsofchaos | anyone found a way to prevent ebilities from canceling movement orders? |
| 13:57.01 | Liquidor | It's just for spells that I'm lost |
| 13:57.04 | depthsofchaos | abilities |
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| 13:58.25 | wOlfLinG | a spell = an ability pretty much. Just give a damage effect, and other stuff |
| 13:58.40 | wOlfLinG | Liquidor, in flags, set it to movable |
| 13:58.58 | Liquidor | Wrong guy |
| 13:59.06 | wOlfLinG | sorry xD |
| 13:59.16 | wOlfLinG | Dephsofchaos, what i just said ^^ |
| 13:59.39 | wOlfLinG | <- Is utterly crap at triggers, yet good at data editing xD |
| 14:00.06 | wOlfLinG | Talking of which, i still have no idea how to make a function :/ |
| 14:00.40 | depthsofchaos | theres an allow movement flag |
| 14:00.45 | depthsofchaos | that doesnt work |
| 14:01.06 | wOlfLinG | Theres another one i think. Could be in effect |
| 14:01.28 | wOlfLinG | also, it may have to be instant to be able to move |
| 14:02.02 | depthsofchaos | well i need targeted :/ |
| 14:02.35 | wOlfLinG | Could you get it auto-targeted? As in, it selects the best unit to cast on using a search area effect |
| 14:03.04 | depthsofchaos | nah the point is to make the aiming a challange :o |
| 14:03.09 | depthsofchaos | for my shock combo |
| 14:03.10 | Demonette | -.- The SC2 Editor messes always up my light settings |
| 14:03.57 | zrbecker | For a Create Persistent Effect if I set it's location to outer point can I choose a location on the map for the effect not relative to my units location? |
| 14:05.16 | wOlfLinG | I give up! Ill stick to triggers :(. |
| 14:05.25 | wOlfLinG | Functions are consusing |
| 14:05.30 | wOlfLinG | confusing* |
| 14:05.53 | Liquidor | What's the difference between "Effect - Effect - Final" and "Effect - Expire Effect" ? |
| 14:06.39 | Liquidor | wOlfLinG: Need help? I'm good at triggering and coding |
| 14:07.13 | Repo | 10yabot: 03xorpwnz * r26 YABOT (5 files in 1 directory): urgent bug fix |
| 14:07.42 | Repo | 10yabot: 03xorpwnz 04v0.1.7.1 * r27 : Tagging as v0.1.7.1 |
| 14:10.21 | Spoofed | anyone have a good gui tutorial? |
| 14:10.41 | Soudeus | functions arent confusing |
| 14:11.18 | Soudeus | you talking about script functions or action defintions? |
| 14:13.23 | zrbecker | Functions are basically the same as they are in any language. |
| 14:44.54 | Repo | New map: http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/freezy3testing/. Freezy3Testing. Freezy3 (Manager/Author). Experimental. Approved by vjeux. |
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| 14:46.11 | Repo | New map: http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/ordinary-map/. Ordinary Map. intsants (Manager/Author). Experimental. Approved by vjeux. |
| 14:46.23 | Repo | New map: http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/spell-contest-unbound-wrath/. Spell Contest - Unbound Wrath. Unabsurdity (Manager/Author). Approved by vjeux. |
| 14:46.37 | Repo | New map: http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/the-unit-defence/. THE Unit Defence. RestyPL (Manager/Author). Approved by vjeux. |
| 14:46.51 | Repo | New map: http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/soulfire/. Soulfire. irninja (Manager/Author). Approved by vjeux. |
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| 15:15.00 | Repo | New map: http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/shock-rifle-spell-contest/. Shock Rifle [Spell Contest]. depthsofchaos (Manager/Author). Approved by vjeux. |
| 15:21.03 | wOlfLinG | so i've sortof got the hang of functions/ action definitions etc. However, could someone check this? It says theres a syntax error :/ http://pastebin.com/Nsr6agPa |
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| 15:29.30 | Dustin | hung...over....ughhh |
| 15:30.22 | `3ICE | one of the most miserable moments in life... |
| 15:30.27 | `3ICE | teaching my mother how to make a music cd |
| 15:32.32 | wOlfLinG | How do i check whether a function returns true or not? |
| 15:34.36 | bam_ftw | if( your_function() == true ) |
| 15:34.58 | bam_ftw | or set var x = your_function(); |
| 15:35.08 | bam_ftw | and if( x = true) |
| 15:36.06 | wOlfLinG | think ive done it. Ive changed it from a function to a condition then asked that |
| 15:40.49 | Helral | is there a way to check if something is not set? |
| 15:41.26 | Helral | like Triggering unit is not set when the event is player property changes. |
| 15:42.26 | Helral | ah found it. |
| 15:42.32 | Helral | Unit is Valid (Boolean) ;) |
| 15:43.27 | Repo | New announcement: http://www.sc2mapster.com/announcements/solo-trigger-libs-shadow-contest-andromeda-stl/ |
| 15:45.46 | wOlfLinG | can i have an array of a unit group? |
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| 15:49.37 | ProsausMcGee | Hey, would anyone mind helping me really quick with a custom effect? |
| 15:50.08 | `3ICE | wOlfLinG yes of course |
| 15:50.48 | ProsausMcGee | PM sent |
| 15:51.00 | Repo | New announcement: http://www.sc2mapster.com/announcements/blizzard-video-contest-winners/ |
| 15:51.29 | `3ICE | lol "just been revealed" |
| 15:51.51 | `3ICE | actually it was posted on blizz forums like a couple weeks ago... |
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| 15:52.04 | `3ICE | epic news |
| 15:52.08 | wOlfLinG | Ok, this is retarded. I spent ages working on doing this with triggers. Then i saw the 'Effect when unit spawned' field in the data editor. So i made an issue order to move to origin unit. It works! So simple, yet i tried functions, action definitions and condition definitions! GRAGGGHHH!!! |
| 15:52.09 | `3ICE | one criticism: |
| 15:52.10 | `3ICE | [2010-06-13 17:51:37] <+`3ICE> lol "just been revealed" |
| 15:52.10 | `3ICE | [2010-06-13 17:51:59] <+`3ICE> actually it was posted on blizz forums like a couple weeks ago... |
| 15:52.14 | Jum-Jum | that is old Repo, oooooooold! |
| 15:52.19 | Jum-Jum | OOOOOOOOLLLLLDDDDDDD! *explodes* |
| 15:52.28 | vjeux | ok, going to rename that :p |
| 15:53.14 | Jum-Jum | theres winner for US and EU vjeux |
| 15:53.19 | Jum-Jum | winners* |
| 15:53.44 | vjeux | the US winner has clearly nothing to do with galaxy :p |
| 15:54.01 | vjeux | the eu winner at least has gme sounds :p |
| 15:55.26 | vjeux | ok added "EU" before Winner :p |
| 15:56.22 | depthsofchaos | the us winner is hoddibad anyway :p |
| 15:56.29 | depthsofchaos | horribad |
| 15:57.11 | vjeux | it's us! :p |
| 15:57.17 | Jum-Jum | I thought you were posting all of it |
| 15:57.25 | Jum-Jum | and yea, us winners were meh :/ |
| 15:58.11 | depthsofchaos | the 2nd place eu is the best imo |
| 15:58.18 | depthsofchaos | that space ship is so sick :o |
| 15:58.23 | vjeux | 1st eu is good too |
| 15:59.04 | depthsofchaos | too random for my taste :o |
| 16:00.25 | Jum-Jum | the winner of EU |
| 16:00.28 | `3ICE | http://us.blizzard.com/en-us/community/contests/scvideo/video-winners-us.html |
| 16:00.29 | `3ICE | http://us.blizzard.com/en-us/community/contests/scvideo/video-winners-eu.html |
| 16:00.29 | Jum-Jum | isnt even good... |
| 16:00.31 | `3ICE | all winners |
| 16:01.06 | Jum-Jum | man it annoys me watching these videos |
| 16:01.14 | Jum-Jum | I would so made it to the top 3 |
| 16:01.17 | Jum-Jum | raaaaaaaaaaaaage |
| 16:01.36 | depthsofchaos | they also made the music themselves |
| 16:01.49 | depthsofchaos | i guess |
| 16:03.35 | Hati | well synthesiser + voice :D |
| 16:04.44 | wOlfLinG | What makes an ability target a point rather than a unit? |
| 16:04.59 | Hati | ImpactLocation = Target Point |
| 16:05.06 | Hati | or Target+ |
| 16:05.10 | Hati | all this values in the effect |
| 16:11.10 | Demonette | Mmmmhh... does anybody know how i can turn a daytime value to a text value? |
| 16:12.45 | `3ICE | say "daytime" in editor-language |
| 16:13.24 | Demonette | so i have to write a galaxy code? |
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| 16:13.36 | `3ICE | so you mean GameTimeOfDayGet() to string |
| 16:13.38 | `3ICE | hmm |
| 16:14.59 | Hati | GameLink maybe |
| 16:15.24 | `3ICE | simplest workaround is making a timer |
| 16:15.43 | `3ICE | then using the convert time to text function |
| 16:17.04 | `3ICE | eery 1 sec add +1 to var_Timer |
| 16:17.30 | Demonette | So it isn't simple to make an conversion function that converts a daytime to an text -.- well but this will broken if i start to modify the daytime speed oO |
| 16:18.03 | `3ICE | yeah well the editor is still missing tons of functions |
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| 16:26.45 | RodOfNOD | morn' |
| 16:27.14 | `3ICE | 'ing RodOfNOD, 'ing |
| 16:27.23 | RodOfNOD | :P |
| 16:27.30 | rrowland | aft' |
| 16:27.32 | rrowland | eve' |
| 16:27.38 | rrowland | nig' |
| 16:27.54 | `3ICE | I disagree with your usage of "nig'" there. |
| 16:27.55 | rrowland | noo' |
| 16:28.08 | rrowland | mid' |
| 16:29.14 | slightlyrandom | nig? short for the N word? |
| 16:29.32 | slightlyrandom | Also, being a map author is hard work. People keep breaking stuff |
| 16:29.34 | rrowland | Obviously short for night, racist |
| 16:29.41 | Helral | meow |
| 16:29.46 | slightlyrandom | Pfft |
| 16:30.03 | slightlyrandom | The N word is Nigeria |
| 16:30.37 | rrowland | I need to think of a new, more popular game mode for Sniper Wars |
| 16:30.49 | rrowland | Really don't want to do capture the flag |
| 16:30.59 | Hati | Next-generation of sniper wars? |
| 16:31.12 | Helral | King of the Hill already in it? |
| 16:31.22 | rrowland | Well right now the game mode is basically like this |
| 16:31.34 | rrowland | It's a deathmatch, and when you're dead your command center is vulnerable |
| 16:31.35 | `3ICE | inc. wall of text! |
| 16:31.37 | rrowland | If it dies you lose |
| 16:31.45 | Helral | hmmm |
| 16:32.14 | Helral | Deathmatch with kill limit for victory instead of cc? |
| 16:32.15 | rrowland | And people don't really like that, and I'll concede it makes the game sort of crawl despite the game mechanics being fun |
| 16:32.44 | rrowland | Well I'd like to ultimately aim for team play |
| 16:32.50 | wOlfLinG | 2 things are wrong with my insta-kill AoE spell. 1) Its not AoE, 2) Theres no splat to show its range |
| 16:32.58 | Helral | Team Deathmatch then? |
| 16:33.10 | rrowland | Yeah that's an option I might go with |
| 16:33.16 | rrowland | I'd just rather have a more in-depth goal |
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| 16:33.35 | rrowland | Like DotA is about score but it isn't exactly deathmatch |
| 16:33.56 | Helral | uhm dota is about score? |
| 16:34.03 | depthsofchaos | make a mode where you save starving children? |
| 16:34.04 | Hati | It must be |
| 16:34.07 | rrowland | Yeah it is |
| 16:34.15 | Helral | I've won dota matches with a group that barely got Hero-kills compared to the other group... |
| 16:34.17 | rrowland | More kills and less deaths means more items |
| 16:34.19 | Hati | It contains excessive flaming - so ppl actually care about smth :D |
| 16:34.31 | rrowland | Well and creep kills / denies |
| 16:34.34 | rrowland | So that's added depth |
| 16:34.40 | Jum-Jum | So you mean the hero kills mean nothing Helral? |
| 16:34.46 | Helral | think those were less as well. |
| 16:34.52 | Soudeus | you could modify capture the flag for teamplay, have 2 flag locations, and to gain a point, each teammate (2 per team) have to capture one flag each at the same time |
| 16:34.56 | Helral | it was all about pushing the lanes at the same time ;p |
| 16:35.17 | rrowland | If your team is 2-3 levels behind you're going to get creamed in one lane |
| 16:35.39 | Helral | if you see no heroes of the other team then go creep until they show up. |
| 16:35.50 | rrowland | If one guy on your team is 1-8 you're probably going to lose |
| 16:35.55 | Helral | when they show up all go into a different lane than their heroes and push it through. |
| 16:36.25 | rrowland | Not talking about -em btw |
| 16:36.29 | Helral | it really depends on the heroes though. if you have antimage, or heroes like him you'll have problems pushing lanes. |
| 16:37.04 | Helral | but if you have uhm... the one with the explosions around him, you can storm towers really fast. |
| 16:37.18 | rrowland | You can push the lanes as far as you want but if you don't have the strong heroes who leveled by ganking to follow up when you actually get to their base you have nothing |
| 16:37.31 | rrowland | Anyway this is way offtopic as it was just an example of more depth |
| 16:37.35 | Helral | hehehe |
| 16:37.57 | Helral | I've had real turn arounds with a 1-8 player in my group. |
| 16:38.15 | rrowland | I don't want it to be dota, but I want it to be the same caliber |
| 16:38.18 | rrowland | Same depth |
| 16:38.23 | Helral | hehehe |
| 16:39.18 | rrowland | Just not sure which direction to take to get it there |
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| 16:41.53 | Soudeus | could have spawns around the map that players can pick up or do something to gain a level towards a point spawn, when they get so many a point starts spawning to a certain locatino that all players are notified of, only that team can pick it up and have to bring it to their base, or other teams can kill them and pick it up (steal it), first team to certain amount of poitns wins |
| 16:43.15 | rrowland | hmm |
| 16:43.26 | Soudeus | points being an object |
| 16:43.39 | rrowland | I might go with something like that as well |
| 16:43.40 | `3ICE | cto |
| 16:43.44 | `3ICE | capture the object |
| 16:44.04 | rrowland | If my firing didn't seem so awkward against NPCs |
| 16:44.14 | Soudeus | so teams can spend their time trying to setup ambushes on other teams to steal their work, and/or work towards their own and make sure they get it back to their base heh |
| 16:44.28 | rrowland | I could have some for of objectives |
| 16:44.31 | rrowland | form |
| 16:44.49 | `3ICE | you could also split them up to two teams: terrorist vs counter terrorists and basically copy counter strike :) |
| 16:44.55 | rrowland | lol |
| 16:45.08 | rrowland | That would be kind of cool |
| 16:45.09 | Soudeus | place the bomb heh |
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| 16:45.15 | rrowland | But I'd rather have it one long 20-30 minute game |
| 16:45.23 | rrowland | Instead of rounds |
| 16:45.41 | rrowland | Maybe rounds would be more popular though |
| 16:46.12 | Soudeus | longer game gives a bigger sense of accomplishment though |
| 16:46.38 | rrowland | Yeah, DotA gives that feeling |
| 16:46.44 | rrowland | Since you level up, customize a character, etc |
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| 16:46.49 | rrowland | Go from weak to stong |
| 16:46.51 | rrowland | strong* |
| 16:47.08 | Helral | hmmm I want to hide a dialog after a certain period. but how do I do this without the trigger stopping to wait for it? :S |
| 16:47.30 | rrowland | Launch it as a new thread with a wait |
| 16:47.44 | Helral | hmmm good point ;) |
| 16:47.55 | Hati | <3 GE graphic tablet compatibility |
| 16:49.17 | `3ICE | wtb graphic tablet |
| 16:49.22 | Wihl | er, is there any way to insert an image into the editor as like an overlay? <.< |
| 16:49.31 | Wihl | i'd like to paint something at the ground |
| 16:49.43 | RodOfNOD | just make ur own terrain |
| 16:49.46 | `3ICE | use decals |
| 16:49.57 | `3ICE | i saw a good tutorial on it last week |
| 16:50.28 | Hati | http://www.sc2mapster.com/api-docs/tutorials/ |
| 16:50.36 | rrowland | I'm about 10 minutes from just making 3 lanes where creeps rush eachother if I can't think of anything else lol |
| 16:51.12 | depthsofchaos | dont do it !!!!!! |
| 16:51.14 | Hati | for what purpose rrow ? |
| 16:51.32 | rrowland | Adding some layer of depth past "kill people" |
| 16:51.44 | Hati | salvage them |
| 16:51.44 | depthsofchaos | just make a new map |
| 16:51.54 | depthsofchaos | dont bother trying to repair somethin forever |
| 16:51.57 | Hati | after you've killed them |
| 16:52.00 | rrowland | Fuck you sniper wars is awesome |
| 16:52.10 | Hati | you have limited ammo |
| 16:52.14 | Hati | and death provides ammo |
| 16:52.20 | Hati | and other items |
| 16:52.22 | rrowland | That would suck to run out of ammo |
| 16:52.23 | rrowland | lol |
| 16:52.26 | Hati | why |
| 16:52.28 | rrowland | And not be able to kill someone for more |
| 16:52.33 | Hati | knife |
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| 16:56.06 | ZeroAme | How can I set the zoom of the camera for my FPS and lock the zoom? the default camera zoom tirgger is confuesing and I don't understand it. |
| 16:56.26 | rrowland | Set the camera's distance |
| 16:56.41 | rrowland | And lock the input to mouselook |
| 16:57.25 | ZeroAme | Ok, but how do i set the distance? |
| 16:58.28 | ZeroAme | I dont know what needs to be changed in this action to do that |
| 16:58.28 | ZeroAme | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:58.48 | rrowland | It's pretty straight forward |
| 16:58.53 | rrowland | It even puts it into a sentence for you |
| 17:00.05 | ZeroAme | Aw |
| 17:00.06 | ZeroAme | alright |
| 17:00.10 | ZeroAme | now I feel like a noob |
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| 17:02.58 | depthsofchaos | hmm apply force only seems to work properly on air units :o |
| 17:03.04 | depthsofchaos | why is that |
| 17:03.21 | rrowland | Try it on a woker |
| 17:03.23 | rrowland | worker* |
| 17:03.29 | rrowland | Like probe |
| 17:03.32 | RodOfNOD | dont pick on the workers! |
| 17:03.40 | depthsofchaos | it works on them? |
| 17:03.45 | rrowland | I don't know |
| 17:03.48 | rrowland | But I think they use glide |
| 17:03.50 | rrowland | so it might |
| 17:05.24 | ZeroAme | rrowland how do I lock input to mouselook? "Camera - Lock camera input for player 1" Disables the camera movement entirely |
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| 17:06.14 | rrowland | Set mouselook and mouse rotation to true |
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| 17:09.42 | ZeroAme | there is no action at all that has anything to do with "mouselook" |
| 17:10.47 | Helral | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:10.47 | Helral | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:10.47 | Helral | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:10.47 | Helral | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:11.05 | Helral | respond to mouse click and do that when he moves the mouse ;p |
| 17:11.14 | Helral | reset to default on mouse release. |
| 17:12.24 | Hati | meh collision <.< |
| 17:12.25 | ZeroAme | I have my camera set-up like this at map int. |
| 17:12.27 | ZeroAme | Camera - Turn Camera Mouse Rotation On/Off(1, On) |
| 17:12.29 | ZeroAme | Camera - Lock Camera Mouse Relative Mode On/Off(1, On) |
| 17:12.31 | ZeroAme | Camera - Set the camera bounds for (Player group(1)) to CameraView (Do Not adjust the minimap) |
| 17:12.33 | ZeroAme | Camera - Follow for player 1 (Unit group(Hero)) with the camera and Clear Current Target |
| 17:12.35 | ZeroAme | Camera - Zoom camera for player 1 at (Start location of player 1) from 0.01 to 3.0 over 0.0 seconds |
| 17:13.05 | Helral | hmmm |
| 17:13.22 | Helral | so you don't want the player to be able to use the mouse for other stuff then looking around? |
| 17:13.31 | ZeroAme | I have a crosshair |
| 17:13.40 | ZeroAme | thats all they need |
| 17:13.46 | Helral | hehehe ;) |
| 17:14.05 | Helral | making a fps? |
| 17:14.09 | ZeroAme | yeah |
| 17:14.38 | ZeroAme | which is why i'd like to disable camera zoom with scroll wheel or the hotkeys set-up for it |
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| 17:15.15 | ZeroAme | I guess i could make a trigger that runs constantly setting camera distance |
| 17:15.21 | RodOfNOD | is it me or does the zealot loook a little tooo much like the predator :P |
| 17:15.25 | Alpha_vst | what are you trying to do? |
| 17:15.41 | ZeroAme | disable user ability to zoom in and out with camera |
| 17:15.56 | Alpha_vst | go to the data camera |
| 17:16.22 | ZeroAme | ok? |
| 17:16.34 | Alpha_vst | my editor just crashed :P |
| 17:16.44 | ZeroAme | lawl |
| 17:17.21 | Alpha_vst | change the zoom levels :P |
| 17:17.41 | ZeroAme | aw |
| 17:17.43 | ZeroAme | nice |
| 17:17.50 | Alpha_vst | distance |
| 17:17.52 | ZeroAme | thanks |
| 17:18.17 | Alpha_vst | yeah just set it to what ever you cam distance is and bam :D |
| 17:18.36 | Helral | or disable it I guess ;p |
| 17:18.44 | Alpha_vst | that also |
| 17:20.02 | Alpha_vst | you can do a lot with that though :P |
| 17:20.10 | Alpha_vst | and have it triggerless |
| 17:20.31 | ZeroAme | yeah but setting it this way alows there to be aditinal lvls of zoom but none that will gicve the player a large view |
| 17:20.32 | Alpha_vst | RodOfNOD i ended up fixing that bug :D |
| 17:20.48 | Alpha_vst | yeah thats what i mean |
| 17:21.16 | Alpha_vst | you can have 2 completely different cameras also like a first person and 3rd person |
| 17:21.28 | Alpha_vst | and use the mouse scroll to change it |
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| 17:24.22 | slightlyrandom | Is the Weapon Period absolute, or modified by stuff like Backswing ? |
| 17:24.45 | ZeroAme | Alpha, in zoom levels if i set HeightOffset to -1 does that make it 1 lower then usual height then? |
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| 17:25.48 | ZeroAme | cause currently the camera is way above the unit |
| 17:26.21 | Alpha_vst | i have no idea :P you going to have to play with it |
| 17:27.37 | ZeroAme | ya i did, set it to -2 and camera went underground >_< |
| 17:28.21 | Alpha_vst | now try something else |
| 17:28.22 | Alpha_vst | :D |
| 17:28.31 | Alpha_vst | its called trail and error |
| 17:28.41 | Alpha_vst | do it till its right lol |
| 17:28.42 | `3ICE | trial |
| 17:28.47 | Alpha_vst | yes |
| 17:28.54 | `3ICE | spellcheck win! |
| 17:29.21 | Alpha_vst | im sorta dyslexic :P |
| 17:29.35 | `3ICE | my fingers are too :) |
| 17:29.43 | `3ICE | i type so far, i hit one key before the other registers |
| 17:29.46 | `3ICE | fast* |
| 17:30.11 | Helral | I'm finally done with implementing an achievement system in my map. ;p |
| 17:30.13 | ZeroAme | how did you get far from fast? |
| 17:30.21 | Helral | since the default SC2 achievements crashes the editor :( |
| 17:30.41 | Alpha_vst | no duh |
| 17:30.48 | ZeroAme | heh |
| 17:30.52 | Alpha_vst | its for actuall achivements |
| 17:30.54 | Alpha_vst | lol |
| 17:31.00 | ZeroAme | i tried making a custom acheievement to give me all the portraits xD |
| 17:31.20 | Alpha_vst | i dont know why they gave us access to that shit |
| 17:31.29 | ZeroAme | so you can make them in your own map |
| 17:31.29 | Alpha_vst | and not ui moding |
| 17:31.31 | ZeroAme | dur |
| 17:31.42 | Helral | I basicly wanted to use the "actual achievement system" for generating my own achievements. |
| 17:31.49 | Alpha_vst | achievements are for the bnet ones |
| 17:32.38 | Alpha_vst | you cant hand out custom achievements that would be dumb and everyones profile would be full of random crap |
| 17:32.40 | Helral | well why then mention them in the editor at all? |
| 17:32.43 | Alpha_vst | what would be the point |
| 17:33.02 | Helral | No I wanted an in my map only achievement screen and achievement gaining possibility. |
| 17:33.03 | Alpha_vst | [10:31]<Alpha_vst>i dont know why they gave us access to that shit |
| 17:33.28 | Alpha_vst | yeah you have to do it with triggers |
| 17:33.46 | rrowland | ugh roads are so ugly |
| 17:33.57 | Helral | yeah I created my own achievement making trigger which uses records and achievement checking trigger which triggers on certain events to check the achievements. |
| 17:34.05 | Alpha_vst | how do i check to see if a unit is in a unit group? |
| 17:34.40 | A1win | "Unit Group - Unit in unit group" action? |
| 17:35.00 | A1win | err, condition |
| 17:35.18 | Alpha_vst | yeah thanks |
| 17:35.28 | Alpha_vst | they should word that better :P |
| 17:36.02 | A1win | it's worded just like the other conditions :P |
| 17:37.05 | Alpha_vst | should be unit is in unit group |
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| 17:37.28 | Alpha_vst | unit in unit group sounds like your selecting a unit from a unit group |
| 17:37.36 | Alpha_vst | not checking if it is |
| 17:37.53 | A1win | it's a condition, it's always checking |
| 17:38.31 | Alpha_vst | nm |
| 17:38.32 | A1win | just like "unit in region matching conditions" or "unit type", or whatever |
| 17:38.39 | Alpha_vst | you dont get it |
| 17:39.51 | A1win | or well, it's a boolean unlike those |
| 17:40.04 | A1win | I don't know, makes enough sense to me ;p |
| 17:40.04 | Helral | @A1win: unit[2] in unit group (all units) == unit X <-- that's what I'd expect. |
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| 17:40.38 | A1win | that's just an extension of Unit == Unit D: |
| 17:41.29 | Helral | yup. but what I'd expect from unit in unit group is telling the game to select a unit at a certain position in a certain unit group. |
| 17:42.22 | Helral | while unit IS in unit group <-- it sounds like it results in a boolean, whether unit is in it or not. (true/false) |
| 17:43.16 | RodOfNOD | classic: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XUxF4XWtj4g&feature=related |
| 17:43.45 | ZeroAme | ugh wtf |
| 17:43.46 | Alpha_vst | i think i have my basic zombie search and capture done |
| 17:44.07 | ZeroAme | alpha when i walk forward with my unit the camera raises up |
| 17:44.40 | Alpha_vst | displacement |
| 17:44.43 | Alpha_vst | turn it off |
| 17:46.21 | ZeroAme | i set all displacements to 0 and its still doing it |
| 17:46.46 | ZeroAme | ill make a quick vid and show you |
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| 17:47.38 | Alpha_vst | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:48.30 | ZeroAme | ooo |
| 17:49.25 | ZeroAme | Still does it :3 |
| 17:54.17 | slightlyrandom | So |
| 17:54.57 | ZeroAme | aw its doing it because of how i have my camera set-up on following :/ |
| 17:55.09 | slightlyrandom | "WhenUnitADies PickEachUnitInGroupB and OrderPickedUnit to MoveTargetingPoint" |
| 17:55.23 | slightlyrandom | Why does this only work for the unit doing the killing :( |
| 17:55.48 | Alpha_vst | i forgot to run my trigger no wonder it didnt work |
| 17:56.07 | RodOfNOD | lol |
| 17:56.16 | slightlyrandom | Or rather, it only appears to be working for units not currently on the move, despite the "ReplaceExistingOrder" tag |
| 17:56.43 | Alpha_vst | hmmmm |
| 17:57.02 | slightlyrandom | Can't even get them to stop, damnit |
| 17:58.18 | Alpha_vst | what units are in PickEachUnitInGroupB |
| 17:58.23 | slightlyrandom | http://pastebin.com/GN8jZHd9 |
| 17:58.33 | slightlyrandom | All units for player 15 |
| 17:58.42 | slightlyrandom | I did a check, the units are in the group |
| 17:59.06 | Helral | uhm. |
| 17:59.13 | Helral | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:59.22 | slightlyrandom | Aye, no worky |
| 17:59.22 | Helral | only the last unit of the group moves. |
| 17:59.31 | Helral | the rest gets the order to stop |
| 17:59.42 | Helral | move that action out of the pick each unit group. |
| 17:59.44 | slightlyrandom | None of the orders go through, though |
| 17:59.55 | slightlyrandom | They neither stop nor move to the correct location |
| 18:00.03 | Helral | hmmm |
| 18:00.22 | slightlyrandom | You do have a point, of course, that was shit poor syntax |
| 18:00.30 | Helral | ;p |
| 18:00.42 | ZeroAme | i need a better 3rd person camera view set up |
| 18:00.46 | Helral | I assume that Region is a valid region ;p |
| 18:00.49 | ZeroAme | better then this http://forums.sc2mapster.com/development/tutorials/425-trigger-3rd-person-movement/#posts |
| 18:00.55 | slightlyrandom | It is |
| 18:01.00 | slightlyrandom | The situation is this: |
| 18:01.07 | slightlyrandom | I order the mobs to move to Region |
| 18:01.12 | slightlyrandom | but the place is blocked off by towers |
| 18:01.18 | Alpha_vst | make your own ZeroAme |
| 18:01.29 | slightlyrandom | They move to the closest point to region they can reach, stop, shoot a tower, then get issued a new move order |
| 18:01.32 | Hati | someone knows if there's a method to disable a player ? |
| 18:01.44 | slightlyrandom | to the same Region |
| 18:01.50 | Alpha_vst | disable hati? |
| 18:01.53 | Hati | no scrolling,commanding etc |
| 18:01.54 | Alpha_vst | like in game? |
| 18:01.56 | Hati | yeah |
| 18:01.59 | Hati | for countdown ie |
| 18:02.14 | Alpha_vst | you can give all the units to a diffrent player |
| 18:03.13 | Alpha_vst | OMG THESE ZOMBIES ARE BEASTS |
| 18:03.28 | Alpha_vst | this ai is going to be unforgiving |
| 18:04.07 | Darkparasit | anyone a idea how to get intercept marin shoots with a Defense Drone? |
| 18:04.33 | Repo | New map: http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/volcanic-survival/. Volcanic Survival. aquax123 (Manager/Author). Approved by xhatix. |
| 18:04.41 | Repo | New map: http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/jungle-crunk-2v2/. Jungle Crunk 2v2. Castona1 (Manager/Author). Experimental. Approved by xhatix. |
| 18:04.55 | Repo | New map: http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/planetary-battle/. Planetary Battle. 38dedo (Manager/Author). Approved by xhatix. |
| 18:08.52 | Alpha_vst | hmmmm |
| 18:10.28 | slightlyrandom | What would you imagine this would do: ? Unit - Order all units in (Any units in (Entire map) owned by player 15 matching Excluded: Missile, Dead, Hidden, with at most Any Amount) to ( Stop) (Replace Existing Orders) |
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| 18:11.08 | Alpha_vst | stop all units till they found a new target |
| 18:11.15 | Alpha_vst | or were attacked |
| 18:11.39 | slightlyrandom | That's what I thought, too |
| 18:11.41 | Alpha_vst | stop clears current actions |
| 18:11.47 | slightlyrandom | Can't really imagine why it would do nothing |
| 18:12.14 | Alpha_vst | :P |
| 18:14.11 | Alpha_vst | it should at least stop them |
| 18:14.27 | Alpha_vst | do you have anything else that would give them another order... |
| 18:14.47 | Cromalic | is there any way you can hide the default UI except the minimap? |
| 18:14.53 | Alpha_vst | nope |
| 18:15.05 | Alpha_vst | stupid huh |
| 18:15.18 | slightlyrandom | Doesnt seem like it Alpha_vst |
| 18:16.12 | ZeroAme | alpha |
| 18:16.19 | ZeroAme | this is what my camera is doing when i walk |
| 18:16.20 | ZeroAme | http://www.wegame.com/watch/camera-offsets-on-its-own/ |
| 18:17.04 | ZeroAme | dont mind my friends in the background on skype XD |
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| 18:17.47 | Helral | are you resetting the camera while moving or something? |
| 18:18.00 | Alpha_vst | i told you |
| 18:18.10 | Alpha_vst | how to fix that |
| 18:18.36 | Alpha_vst | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:18.58 | ZeroAme | yeah |
| 18:18.59 | ZeroAme | i did that |
| 18:19.03 | ZeroAme | it still does it |
| 18:19.24 | Alpha_vst | well another camera setting might be iterfearing with it |
| 18:19.43 | ZeroAme | Camera - Turn Camera Mouse Rotation On/Off(1, On) |
| 18:19.45 | ZeroAme | Camera - Lock Camera Mouse Relative Mode On/Off(1, On) |
| 18:19.47 | ZeroAme | Camera - Follow for player 1 (Unit group(Hero)) with the camera and Clear Current Target |
| 18:19.47 | Alpha_vst | i had the same issue in one of my maps |
| 18:19.49 | ZeroAme | Camera - Turn camera height displacement Off for player 1 |
| 18:19.51 | ZeroAme | Camera - Follow for player 1 (Unit group(Hero)) with the camera and Clear Current Target |
| 18:19.52 | Alpha_vst | thats why then |
| 18:19.55 | ZeroAme | those are the only camera settings i change in triggers |
| 18:20.02 | Alpha_vst | >Camera - Turn Camera Mouse Rotation On/Off(1, On) |
| 18:20.04 | Alpha_vst | [11:19]<ZeroAme>Camera - Lock Camera Mouse Relative Mode On/Off(1, On) |
| 18:20.29 | Alpha_vst | and |
| 18:20.36 | ZeroAme | if i turn that off how would i rotate the camera then |
| 18:20.47 | Alpha_vst | pan it behind the unit |
| 18:22.11 | Alpha_vst | oh wait try |
| 18:22.15 | Alpha_vst | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:22.19 | Alpha_vst | try that |
| 18:22.47 | onetwo | YAY |
| 18:22.53 | onetwo | i was kind of tired of working on my rpg |
| 18:22.57 | onetwo | and you just reminded me |
| 18:22.59 | onetwo | of my map_loop map |
| 18:23.01 | onetwo | oh boy |
| 18:23.02 | onetwo | im excited |
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| 18:23.46 | Alpha_vst | LOL |
| 18:23.53 | Alpha_vst | why you got to be an ass? :P |
| 18:24.57 | ZeroAme | that worked alpha |
| 18:24.58 | onetwo | ? |
| 18:25.04 | ZeroAme | now i have tpo change my heightoffset |
| 18:25.17 | onetwo | im actually making it a legitimate map |
| 18:25.21 | Alpha_vst | i mixed up the settings :P |
| 18:25.29 | onetwo | too often do we think inside the box and from war3/sc1 |
| 18:25.34 | onetwo | map_loop is totally left field |
| 18:25.36 | Alpha_vst | i know right |
| 18:25.50 | Alpha_vst | people need to expand |
| 18:25.56 | onetwo | agreed |
| 18:26.08 | Alpha_vst | im trying to push the possibilities with my map |
| 18:26.22 | onetwo | i wasnt |
| 18:26.24 | onetwo | but now i am! |
| 18:26.30 | Alpha_vst | HIGH FIVE!!!!!!!!!! |
| 18:26.38 | onetwo | YAY |
| 18:26.55 | Alpha_vst | I might work on darkness after im done with paper zombies |
| 18:27.04 | Alpha_vst | its a mind fuck map weee |
| 18:27.49 | Alpha_vst | the whole game is just trying to make you think twice about whats going on and what is real |
| 18:28.01 | ZeroAme | thanks for all the help alpha :D |
| 18:28.11 | Alpha_vst | and the game never ends really |
| 18:28.30 | Alpha_vst | when you play it again its like you didnt stop playing |
| 18:29.03 | onetwo | cool! |
| 18:29.20 | Alpha_vst | yeah its a first person game lol |
| 18:30.14 | onetwo | alpha |
| 18:30.15 | onetwo | when we high five |
| 18:30.17 | onetwo | thisll be playing |
| 18:30.18 | onetwo | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNT7uZf7lew#t=0m30s |
| 18:30.19 | onetwo | lol |
| 18:31.09 | Alpha_vst | gah this is confusing |
| 18:31.21 | onetwo | 80's music? |
| 18:31.25 | Alpha_vst | i cant use idle units :P |
| 18:31.42 | Alpha_vst | i have to find a better way to select units that are doing nothing |
| 18:31.43 | Triceron | so, I got custom voices working, and I am able to replace a unit's voice files, but I'm hitting a snag where it defaults back to the original unit voices inbetween |
| 18:32.23 | Alpha_vst | cause sometimes i have units not doing anything but they are doign something lol |
| 18:32.25 | Triceron | I can't figure out how to get rid of the original unit's voice sourcing |
| 18:32.43 | slightlyrandom | Triceron: You changed all the units sounds? |
| 18:32.47 | Alpha_vst | override it |
| 18:33.03 | slightlyrandom | It has a number of catagories, Move, Pissed, What |
| 18:33.08 | Triceron | the ones that I need, like 'Yes' 'What' and 'Attack' |
| 18:33.16 | Alpha_vst | use the same path as the soudn file when you import it Triceron |
| 18:33.21 | slightlyrandom | Remove the sounds from the ones you dont need, then |
| 18:33.22 | Triceron | the sounds work |
| 18:33.28 | Triceron | but like it'll play maybe 3 of mine |
| 18:33.33 | Triceron | then play the original |
| 18:33.38 | Triceron | then loop back to mine |
| 18:33.50 | slightlyrandom | You didnt replace all of them, then |
| 18:34.01 | Triceron | I'm modifying the Ghost, and it has like 16 pissed |
| 18:34.05 | Triceron | I added in 2 pissed |
| 18:34.11 | Triceron | how do I remove the other 14? |
| 18:34.17 | slightlyrandom | Unit -> Ghost |
| 18:34.23 | slightlyrandom | The tree view thing in the bottom left |
| 18:34.33 | slightlyrandom | Bottom of that, there is a list of the sounds it does |
| 18:34.49 | slightlyrandom | Check the Assets it uses |
| 18:34.50 | Triceron | yeah, I changed the source files there |
| 18:34.55 | slightlyrandom | Remove any you dont want to play |
| 18:34.58 | Triceron | I removed all of them and replaced with mine |
| 18:35.04 | Triceron | but it STILL plays the original |
| 18:35.08 | Triceron | which is confusing me |
| 18:35.15 | slightlyrandom | Then I am guessing it doesnt play the pissed sounds, but the What sounds |
| 18:35.29 | Triceron | no no, lemme explain again |
| 18:35.36 | Triceron | pissed sounds are working |
| 18:36.24 | Triceron | I imported 2 custom pissed sounds, and they work. The problem is the ghost has like 16 of em in the game. I removed all 16, replaced with my 2; but in game it's playing my 2 THEN playing 14 others of the original ghost |
| 18:37.12 | Triceron | I don't know why it's defaulting back to the game when I specifically tell it to use only 2 files |
| 18:37.40 | slightlyrandom | I can tell you I removed all the pissed sounds there from one of my units, and they arent playing |
| 18:38.41 | slightlyrandom | Did you place the unit on the map before you changed the sounds? That sometimes messes up certain values |
| 18:38.57 | Wihl | er.. i installed that nvidia dds plugin for photoshop |
| 18:39.01 | Wihl | how do i actually use it? |
| 18:39.11 | Wihl | i want to save a png as dds |
| 18:39.36 | Helral | I use "DDS Converter 2" for creating dds. |
| 18:39.57 | Wihl | I tried using that but it just gives me a "image failed to load" error |
| 18:40.01 | Wihl | dont know why |
| 18:40.04 | Triceron | oooh, I think I see the problem |
| 18:40.07 | Barter | I use paint.net |
| 18:40.10 | Triceron | some didn't get deleted |
| 18:40.19 | Triceron | which is weird cuz I swear I cleaned out all the files |
| 18:40.22 | Triceron | before I added my onw in |
| 18:40.31 | Barter | it can save as .dds |
| 18:42.31 | Alpha_vst | Wihl just save and select .dds |
| 18:42.38 | Alpha_vst | the addon will run |
| 18:42.44 | Wihl | doesnt appear in the list though |
| 18:42.47 | Alpha_vst | and bring up a box |
| 18:42.51 | Alpha_vst | then you installed it wrong |
| 18:43.04 | Alpha_vst | or didnt install it at all |
| 18:43.10 | Wihl | the other stuff appears under export though |
| 18:43.31 | Wihl | meh, just installing paint.net |
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| 18:43.37 | Wihl | didnt think it was such a small program |
| 18:44.18 | Alpha_vst | lol |
| 18:44.25 | Alpha_vst | way to give up |
| 18:44.45 | Wihl | I'm just frustrated when shit doesnt work |
| 18:44.57 | Wihl | still annoyed about the water states that I couldnt get working |
| 18:46.34 | Alpha_vst | it sounds like your computer is pretty fucked up |
| 18:46.41 | Alpha_vst | you might want to reformat :P |
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| 18:47.17 | XYZ-Muffun | derpa derpa :D |
| 18:47.34 | Gwypaas | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LOLCODE |
| 18:47.39 | Gwypaas | that is so awesome |
| 18:48.19 | XYZ-Muffun | brainfuck interpreter? lol??? |
| 18:48.37 | XYZ-Muffun | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brainfuck |
| 18:48.38 | Gwypaas | read the code examples :D |
| 18:50.20 | XYZ-Muffun | lol |
| 18:50.51 | Alpha_vst | my ai is getting to be tasty |
| 18:51.18 | Wihl | Alpha_vst - that would be admitting defeat |
| 18:51.22 | Wihl | Never surrender! |
| 18:51.30 | Alpha_vst | what would be? |
| 18:51.39 | Wihl | 20:45 Alpha_vst • you might want to reformat :P |
| 18:52.04 | Alpha_vst | do you check your system? |
| 18:52.18 | Alpha_vst | liek ever? :P |
| 18:52.24 | Wihl | its fine :p |
| 18:54.55 | Cromalic | in the data editor, you can set a unit's minimap icon |
| 18:54.58 | Cromalic | but anyone know if it's possible to change the minimap icon of a unit through triggers? |
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| 18:55.02 | Alpha_vst | im sure your system is in need of a defrag or something |
| 18:56.00 | Alpha_vst | cromalic you could make a bunch of units with diffrent minimap icons and morph between them |
| 18:56.33 | wOlfLinG | how do i let a unit jump up and down cliffs reaper style if they have a certain item equipped? I have a jump behaviour and its connected to my item, but its not working. |
| 18:56.58 | Alpha_vst | the mover needs to be cliff jumping i think |
| 18:58.01 | wOlfLinG | well, the behaviours mmover is cliff-jumping. Im not sure how to change the actual unit mover though |
| 18:58.10 | wOlfLinG | could try a buff or unit modifier |
| 18:58.40 | Alpha_vst | i dont really know :P |
| 18:59.11 | onetwo | anyone want to play DDS revolution |
| 18:59.19 | onetwo | it involes converting images in a dancing motion |
| 18:59.29 | onetwo | involves* |
| 19:00.24 | Ziron | I wonder if they'll ever allow triggers to directly change data |
| 19:00.28 | Ziron | because that would be neat |
| 19:00.39 | onetwo | what is this talk of herecy |
| 19:00.40 | onetwo | Sixen |
| 19:00.43 | onetwo | take this man away |
| 19:01.15 | `3ICE | triggers can directly change data already. |
| 19:01.23 | onetwo | take 3Ice away too |
| 19:01.28 | onetwo | his actions are against the emperor |
| 19:01.44 | onetwo | *strips the + from 3Ice* |
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| 19:02.14 | Lulz | Wtf? |
| 19:02.50 | Guest34536 | I cant create an account, every cool username is taken?? |
| 19:03.06 | Ziron | random name generator to the resque! |
| 19:03.21 | Ziron | http://www.rinkworks.com/namegen/ |
| 19:03.35 | onetwo | lol |
| 19:04.54 | Guest34536 | So whats everyone upto?? |
| 19:05.24 | onetwo | rendering a new tutorial |
| 19:05.32 | Ziron | I still don't have a map to work on so I'm just going to the store :p |
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| 19:06.04 | Olat | Hey hey |
| 19:06.19 | Ziron | what sort of tutorial are you doing this time onetwo? |
| 19:06.20 | Guest34536 | Yeah I wish their were more tutorials and stuff on mapster. I find the data editor hard |
| 19:06.25 | XYZ-Muffun | is there no way to check somones previouse posts? on mapster? |
| 19:06.26 | Alpha_vst | hahah |
| 19:06.28 | Alpha_vst | ops |
| 19:06.47 | Ziron | you should watch onetwo's, they're pretty good |
| 19:06.57 | Alpha_vst | i used 1 instead of i :D im a noob |
| 19:06.58 | Ziron | bifuu's unit and hero tutorials are also a good start |
| 19:07.08 | Alpha_vst | very good start |
| 19:07.16 | Olat | Got a Data Editor / Trigger question.... How can I get the data editor to check a boolean and set the cost of a tech item based on that boolean? |
| 19:07.16 | onetwo | a beginner one trying to teach how to do stuff in general |
| 19:07.20 | XYZ-Muffun | is there anyway to check somones previouse posts?? |
| 19:07.21 | Alpha_vst | i leared a lot from that shit |
| 19:07.24 | onetwo | but i ended up making an aura in this tutorial too |
| 19:07.38 | Alpha_vst | Olat: you cant |
| 19:07.43 | XYZ-Muffun | wat??? |
| 19:07.43 | Ziron | did you solve your aura problem? |
| 19:07.47 | XYZ-Muffun | thats lame.. |
| 19:07.48 | onetwo | no |
| 19:07.54 | onetwo | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ING276z7quA i love this |
| 19:08.13 | Guest34536 | True..But you know now, the data editor is capable of doing everything the trigger editor can do and more..So I wish there more explanations relating to unit events/behaviours and what everything means and stands for in the data editor. |
| 19:08.28 | XYZ-Muffun | race like a big boy? |
| 19:09.10 | Ziron | hmm |
| 19:09.16 | Ziron | has anyone made sc2 mariokart yet? |
| 19:09.22 | Alpha_vst | yeah race like a big boy |
| 19:09.27 | Ziron | I remember blizzard made one for wc3 |
| 19:09.29 | Alpha_vst | cause you have a small penis |
| 19:09.41 | Olat | Alpha, sooo how can I get my idea to work.... Basically I want it soo if Player one buys a Mercanary say Zerglings.... then no one else can buy Zerglings |
| 19:09.53 | Guest34536 | So, any news when the premium system(aka market place) will come about and how it will work? |
| 19:09.58 | onetwo | 1 year |
| 19:10.00 | onetwo | and no idea |
| 19:10.14 | XYZ-Muffun | whats a .pov file? |
| 19:10.36 | Alpha_vst | they will probably contact the top map creators and offer them a spot 0.o |
| 19:10.46 | onetwo | map_loop 50$ |
| 19:10.50 | XYZ-Muffun | nvm |
| 19:11.02 | Alpha_vst | it will probably be out of yoru control |
| 19:11.10 | Alpha_vst | how much you charge |
| 19:11.12 | Ziron | I'm just hoping for blizzard top picks or something, maps they consider good, like they had on the b.net homepage. |
| 19:11.12 | onetwo | it will be... all the loops running |
| 19:11.29 | onetwo | just copy apple Imo |
| 19:11.34 | onetwo | their editors handpick top ones |
| 19:11.37 | onetwo | when they review all incoming apps |
| 19:11.43 | Guest34536 | Ya but I wonder what criteria it will be. Personally I like fun gameplay above all else. Not total conversion mods and stuff like that. I cant do the latter. But am assuming the former is better anyways |
| 19:11.52 | Alpha_vst | custom content |
| 19:11.55 | onetwo | fully featured insane custom mods |
| 19:11.57 | onetwo | are fun once |
| 19:11.59 | onetwo | custom games |
| 19:12.01 | onetwo | are fun forever |
| 19:12.09 | onetwo | unfortunatly you can only charge for one |
| 19:12.30 | Alpha_vst | they said maps would have to haev custom content to be premium |
| 19:12.35 | onetwo | yeah |
| 19:12.35 | Olat | Blizzard already said mods like DOTA that do nothing but use content that is already created but in a new form.. will not meet the criteria |
| 19:12.40 | onetwo | totally |
| 19:12.50 | Triceron | i have a feeling it's like xbla |
| 19:12.52 | Alpha_vst | BUT |
| 19:12.55 | Alpha_vst | THEY FUCKED US |
| 19:12.58 | Guest34536 | Look at dota. No radical graphics like in other maps(dbz conversions etc etc). The guys took what they had, and made a fun system. And its the most popular Warcraft 3 map. |
| 19:13.03 | Alpha_vst | we have 10mb to create custom content |
| 19:13.05 | Ziron | Personally I think it'll be really hard to sell maps for more then pennies, the competition fromn the free maps will be fierce |
| 19:13.06 | Triceron | pay to upload |
| 19:13.06 | Alpha_vst | its not enough |
| 19:13.24 | Triceron | like a monthly mapping fee |
| 19:13.32 | Triceron | but you can sell maps |
| 19:13.33 | Alpha_vst | fucking stupid |
| 19:13.35 | onetwo | lol yeah... |
| 19:13.40 | *** join/#sc2mapster RodOfNOD (~rodofnod@pool-71-112-197-158.sttlwa.dsl-w.verizon.net) |
| 19:13.42 | onetwo | its too bad the way it works is everything is free |
| 19:13.45 | Olat | Guest, doesnt matter. DoTA did nothing but use content already there and wont be able to be on the Premium service... they even Singled DOTA out when they explained it in a blue post |
| 19:13.57 | XYZ-Muffun | i am going to have to pay every month for sc2? |
| 19:13.57 | Alpha_vst | yeah |
| 19:14.11 | Alpha_vst | even though dota was epic it wasnt epic enough |
| 19:14.11 | Olat | Muffin do you live in Russia? |
| 19:14.17 | XYZ-Muffun | lol what? |
| 19:14.21 | Ziron | Though how will you be able to sell your massive custom content map when everyone plays DotA :P? |
| 19:14.24 | onetwo | for some reason, even though people can spend months-years on maps (where they could spend their time doing REAL programming making 50$ an hour)... its expected that they be free |
| 19:14.28 | Olat | If you live in Russia there is a pay to play subscription |
| 19:14.30 | onetwo | and im a mapper and i expect maps to be free too |
| 19:14.34 | onetwo | its just the way it is |
| 19:14.34 | XYZ-Muffun | i live in Vancouver. |
| 19:14.35 | onetwo | oddly enough |
| 19:14.38 | onetwo | me too muffin |
| 19:14.43 | onetwo | mapping = labor of love |
| 19:14.49 | Guest34536 | Yes I know. Im just curious to see what is on the market place though. Will it actually be fun?. Or just "Lord of rings conversion mod" Starwars conversion mod..etc etc etc. Stuff that looks impressive, but eventually fails in offering long term fun |
| 19:14.57 | Olat | They also pay less money for the game Muffin.. if they want a non pay to play service they must pay the full 50 bucksa for a FULL EU version |
| 19:15.00 | Ziron | I think it's because mapping/modding is generally a hobby |
| 19:15.08 | onetwo | it is |
| 19:15.09 | XYZ-Muffun | FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU.. |
| 19:15.14 | XYZ-Muffun | thats gay |
| 19:15.17 | onetwo | but the stuff made is way more impressive than 90% of what i see on app store |
| 19:15.19 | onetwo | for ipod |
| 19:15.19 | Ziron | Though I remember hearing that some of the best wc3 mappers got employed to make the sc2 campaign |
| 19:15.20 | onetwo | etc |
| 19:15.24 | onetwo | and those guys are getting money |
| 19:15.33 | onetwo | that may be true |
| 19:15.34 | onetwo | :D |
| 19:15.52 | Olat | Mapping and Modding can get you a job at other places. Its basically a portfolio to become a level designer or game designer at a game company |
| 19:15.55 | Ziron | So if you want to make it more then a hobby, it's always possible |
| 19:16.02 | Alpha_vst | a lot of people who have done impressive things have been hired for custom mpas |
| 19:16.20 | Olat | Your custom maps become basically your Resume |
| 19:16.28 | Guest34536 | Like the guys that made CS. Got hired by Valve |
| 19:16.38 | Alpha_vst | yeah |
| 19:16.42 | XYZ-Muffun | cs? |
| 19:16.46 | Olat | Look at the students from Digipen who made Tubinacular Drop |
| 19:16.48 | Guest34536 | Counter strike |
| 19:16.52 | XYZ-Muffun | o |
| 19:16.57 | Olat | They got picked up by Valve to make Portal |
| 19:16.59 | Olat | and Portal 2 |
| 19:17.06 | onetwo | yeah |
| 19:17.12 | Olat | Portal was a bunch of grad students final project |
| 19:17.40 | Olat | Next thing they know Valve calls them up and a week later all of them are working on Portal but for Valve. getting paid 60 k a year |
| 19:17.49 | Ziron | Counter-Strike always confused me, I can't understand why it's so popular. |
| 19:17.49 | onetwo | haha |
| 19:17.53 | XYZ-Muffun | if i live in canada i want to play with somone in the us am i going to have to buy the us vlient for another $50? |
| 19:17.56 | rrowland | Because it's good? |
| 19:17.57 | onetwo | i liked it, but team fortress has more depth |
| 19:18.01 | Ziron | and I wonder why Portal 2 is taking so long ^^ |
| 19:18.03 | Olat | Muffin, No |
| 19:18.09 | XYZ-Muffun | orly? |
| 19:18.11 | Olat | Canada and Us are both the same client |
| 19:18.15 | Guest34536 | Its probably best working in a team then, on mapmaking. Get things done faster and better, and if it fails, you would have personally only put in much less as compared if you did the entire thing yourself |
| 19:18.16 | Alpha_vst | Ziron they canceled portal 2 |
| 19:18.19 | Alpha_vst | didnt you hear |
| 19:18.21 | XYZ-Muffun | but everywhere els then |
| 19:18.25 | Olat | only EU versions for Europe and Russian clients |
| 19:18.28 | Ziron | no, I just heard it was taking really long |
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| 19:18.37 | XYZ-Muffun | how about australia? |
| 19:18.39 | Olat | They didnt cancel it lol... |
| 19:18.47 | Olat | They pushed it back from E3 display |
| 19:18.56 | Alpha_vst | i know :P |
| 19:19.07 | Olat | There will be no Valve Portal 2 Display at E3... dont you dare ruin Portal 2 for me Alpha |
| 19:19.08 | Guest34536 | Quake 3 > Counter strike |
| 19:19.08 | Guest34536 | ^^ |
| 19:19.13 | Ziron | I really dislike that b.net 2.0 is regional, and their explanation makes no sense |
| 19:19.14 | Olat | If you jinx it im using your IP to hunt you down! |
| 19:19.16 | Alpha_vst | way to not have a joke :P |
| 19:19.39 | Guest34536 | What was portal about?. Maybe they cant make portal 2, because there is nothing to expand on> |
| 19:19.40 | Olat | Muffin, Aussie version, I have no idea. |
| 19:19.41 | Ziron | they're blaming the ISP's for having too slow internet, but shouldn't that be your own choice? If I want 500 ping by choosing the asian gateway that should be my problem. |
| 19:19.47 | Alpha_vst | so basicly my zombie ai right now is fucking to good |
| 19:19.52 | XYZ-Muffun | . |
| 19:19.54 | Alpha_vst | and im making it better |
| 19:19.56 | Alpha_vst | :P |
| 19:20.07 | Olat | Guest, Its good to make a team to make maps for many reasons |
| 19:20.20 | Olat | Guest, 1. You can get people that are good at differnt things |
| 19:20.26 | Alpha_vst | IM A ONE MAP FUCKKING TEAM |
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| 19:20.30 | Ziron | I'd like to join a mapping team, but it seems everyone needs terrainers, noone needs more programmers xD |
| 19:20.34 | Olat | Guest 2. You can get alot of new ideas and opinions |
| 19:20.46 | Olat | Guest, 3. You have more people to play test your game and work the bugs out. |
| 19:21.00 | Olat | Ziron, alot of people need a Data Editor |
| 19:21.08 | Olat | Like My self.. Im good at triggers, hate the DE |
| 19:21.10 | onetwo | i really dont know what the regional motivations were, or what is TRULY going on inside blizzard |
| 19:21.12 | XYZ-Muffun | how did you modelers start modeling?? o.O |
| 19:21.16 | onetwo | but my guess is they thought it was a good idea |
| 19:21.17 | onetwo | or someone did |
| 19:21.22 | onetwo | and mike morhaime said okay |
| 19:21.25 | onetwo | then now people realize |
| 19:21.26 | onetwo | ah crap |
| 19:21.27 | Guest34536 | I must say though, the editor is pretty powerful. |
| 19:21.27 | Darkparasit | in the requiremets if i use a: Show->Less Than or Equal To->Count Upgrade XY; Constant 100, my upgrade should disapear once it reach lvl 100 rigth? |
| 19:21.30 | Alpha_vst | i actually need someone to do models and animations.... |
| 19:21.34 | Ziron | I think it's because WoW is regional, and for WoW it sorta made sense |
| 19:21.43 | Ziron | and b.net 2.0 is probably tied to the WoW servers |
| 19:21.47 | Alpha_vst | of course it makes sense for wow |
| 19:21.54 | Olat | I got a guy who is a WIZ at the Data Editor.. hes making a fucking map using almost NOTHING but the Data Editor |
| 19:22.03 | Olat | and I was like WTF dude.. Triggers can help you do soo much |
| 19:22.30 | Guest34536 | I wish I was a fast learner like him :( :p |
| 19:22.43 | Olat | So I started helping him do Trigger stuff to make his work load less in the Data editor... Terrain and models Im not artsy so im not good at it |
| 19:22.49 | Ziron | the data editor is cool, and I wouldn't mind learning it better. Though I havn't explored it too much since I have a hard time motivating myself to go through all that crap when I don't have somehting to work towards ^^ |
| 19:23.10 | onetwo | hehe |
| 19:23.10 | Olat | Ziron, have you done the Hero Tutorial from Bifuu ? |
| 19:23.12 | Guest34536 | Idk its odd. Some people have the ideas, but cant do much with them. Others can program or whatever but dont have the ideas or design focus! lol |
| 19:23.15 | Ziron | yah |
| 19:23.21 | Ziron | I made a little hero defense map |
| 19:23.21 | Alpha_vst | right now my ai does everything but target the players |
| 19:23.22 | Alpha_vst | lol |
| 19:23.23 | onetwo | so true Guest |
| 19:23.29 | Olat | Ive learned alot about the Data Editor from Bifuu |
| 19:23.30 | Ziron | with a hero defending against 1000 zerglings |
| 19:23.31 | onetwo | the most common thing is people with huge goals |
| 19:23.35 | onetwo | that go pretty far |
| 19:23.38 | onetwo | then dont finish the project |
| 19:23.44 | Alpha_vst | yeah |
| 19:23.46 | onetwo | but thats the beauty of mods |
| 19:23.47 | onetwo | and maps |
| 19:23.49 | onetwo | it doesnt matter |
| 19:23.50 | onetwo | you move on |
| 19:23.57 | Olat | Guest, Im a programmer / Designer... I have the ideas and some of the know how.. its just picking shit and getting started. |
| 19:24.10 | Alpha_vst | same |
| 19:24.18 | Olat | Like take Marine Arena for example... Crayon made that and I loved it... and now Im on his team helping him make it better |
| 19:24.26 | Alpha_vst | lol |
| 19:24.31 | Ziron | The point isn't so much to finnish, but rather if you know that you want to do X and Y, it's much easier to spend 5 hours beating yourself senseless against the editor ^^ |
| 19:24.32 | Alpha_vst | nifty was fun |
| 19:24.39 | Olat | Im actually in the process of implementing a Real Merc Mode to Marine Arena... |
| 19:24.48 | Olat | So when 1 player buys a mercenary no other play can buy it |
| 19:24.55 | Guest34536 | Yeah.. I love creating stuff. I like playing too, but my desire to create has always been greater. I remember early days of warcraft 2 pud editing, doom wad editing...Starts at a young age:p |
| 19:25.02 | Olat | So you cant have 5 players with the Hellions running around only 1. |
| 19:25.20 | Ziron | anyhow I'm off for a while before the store closes xD |
| 19:25.21 | Alpha_vst | olat do it with triggers and disable the creation of the units |
| 19:25.26 | Alpha_vst | with a behaviour |
| 19:25.32 | Alpha_vst | or something |
| 19:25.35 | Olat | Alpha, I say that trigger to disable unit tech |
| 19:25.39 | Olat | Problem with that is its per player |
| 19:25.44 | Olat | So if Player 1 buys Zerg |
| 19:25.51 | Alpha_vst | select the other players lol |
| 19:25.52 | Olat | I need 7 other actions turning it off for other people |
| 19:25.58 | Alpha_vst | LOOPS |
| 19:25.59 | Alpha_vst | GOD |
| 19:26.02 | Olat | I wanted to make a Boolean Array |
| 19:26.06 | onetwo | lol alpha |
| 19:26.11 | onetwo | youre gonna love my new map_loop design |
| 19:26.14 | Olat | and just check if Zerg was bought then disallow it |
| 19:26.16 | Alpha_vst | GOOD |
| 19:26.33 | Olat | TBH ive yet to use a damn loop in the Trigger Editor.. |
| 19:26.35 | Alpha_vst | I SWEAR IF I SEE ANYTHING ABOUT ZOMBIES IN ANY COMMENT..... |
| 19:26.40 | Olat | Shits confusing to me a programmer in this GE |
| 19:26.41 | Alpha_vst | olat 0.o |
| 19:27.04 | Alpha_vst | loops are gods amount variables |
| 19:27.11 | Alpha_vst | among |
| 19:27.13 | onetwo | lol |
| 19:27.19 | Olat | is there a For Each Player? |
| 19:27.23 | Alpha_vst | yes |
| 19:27.30 | JamesObscura | Wat. |
| 19:27.31 | JamesObscura | Where? |
| 19:27.38 | Olat | So ... For Each Player - Action - Dissalow Unit |
| 19:27.45 | Olat | then just turn Player 1 on |
| 19:27.46 | Guest34536 | Laterz Everyone |
| 19:27.49 | JamesObscura | I've always written my For Each Player loops from scratch. |
| 19:27.50 | Olat | Later |
| 19:27.53 | Alpha_vst | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:27.58 | onetwo | lol Alpha wtf |
| 19:27.59 | Alpha_vst | LOL |
| 19:27.59 | onetwo | my map |
| 19:28.01 | wOlfLinG | hmm... Would checking to see if something is true, and if so making it false then true in a forever loop crash the game? |
| 19:28.16 | Olat | whaddya mean Wolf |
| 19:28.16 | onetwo | for some reason if i move the camera to the top right of the map in the editor... the camera goes straight under the ground |
| 19:28.17 | onetwo | into blackness |
| 19:28.21 | onetwo | must be some endless loop bug |
| 19:28.26 | Alpha_vst | must be |
| 19:28.28 | Olat | Has any one here found out how to Hide Creep? |
| 19:28.38 | Alpha_vst | you cant |
| 19:28.44 | Olat | Lies |
| 19:28.45 | Olat | You can |
| 19:28.53 | Olat | Ive done it.. but it also hides everything else |
| 19:28.57 | Alpha_vst | you can make a custom texture thats invisible |
| 19:28.58 | Olat | Creep is Terrain |
| 19:29.03 | Alpha_vst | no its not |
| 19:29.06 | Alpha_vst | its a texture |
| 19:29.07 | Olat | Wanna bet |
| 19:29.12 | Olat | In the Trigger Editor |
| 19:29.21 | Olat | You can click Enviroment - Hide Terrain |
| 19:29.24 | Alpha_vst | LOL |
| 19:29.25 | Olat | and it will hide Creep |
| 19:29.31 | Olat | but it also hides EVERYTHING else |
| 19:29.39 | Alpha_vst | NO SHIT |
| 19:29.46 | Alpha_vst | it hides everything including creep |
| 19:29.49 | Alpha_vst | DUH |
| 19:29.53 | Alpha_vst | you have it backwards lol |
| 19:30.11 | Olat | I dont have it bass ackwards |
| 19:30.29 | wOlfLinG | As in, would this crash SC2? http://pastebin.com/3u8rkXRA |
| 19:30.54 | Alpha_vst | hey wolf if you have the trigger |
| 19:30.54 | Olat | yes |
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| 19:30.58 | Olat | thats an infinite loop |
| 19:30.58 | Alpha_vst | run the game |
| 19:31.00 | Alpha_vst | and see |
| 19:31.02 | Alpha_vst | DUH |
| 19:31.08 | Olat | Its an infinite loop |
| 19:31.17 | Olat | It doesnt checl to see if the variable is True again |
| 19:31.22 | Olat | until the start of the loop |
| 19:31.28 | Olat | So you going hey ON OFF |
| 19:31.31 | Olat | doent do shit |
| 19:31.54 | onetwo | haha all this loop talk is hilarious |
| 19:32.04 | Alpha_vst | loops are hot |
| 19:32.29 | wOlfLinG | looks like it just stops it if it runs too long xD |
| 19:32.36 | Alpha_vst | like a sexy woman my eyes loop from the top of her body to the bottom |
| 19:32.55 | Olat | You can put Bool = True, Bool = False as many times as you want.. the last change to the Bool is what the Loop will check when it starts... |
| 19:33.04 | Alpha_vst | the game will stop infinite loops or try to |
| 19:33.25 | Olat | Soo if your like on off on off on off on off on... then all that matters is that last on... because when it goes to check again that bool is true... so it goes back into the loop |
| 19:33.43 | Alpha_vst | yeah |
| 19:35.52 | Olat | For Each Player in Player Group wants a variable |
| 19:36.22 | Olat | For Each Player (Player) in (all Players) do (Actions) |
| 19:36.43 | Alpha_vst | players are variables |
| 19:36.49 | Olat | So i need a count of how many players I have ? |
| 19:36.50 | XYZ-Muffun | >:O |
| 19:36.51 | Alpha_vst | 0-15 |
| 19:36.51 | XYZ-Muffun | >:O |
| 19:37.01 | Olat | ya problem is if we have 8 players |
| 19:37.05 | Olat | and like 2 are dead |
| 19:37.23 | Olat | I dont want it only going through players 1-6.. if player 5 and 6 are dead but 7 and 8 are alive |
| 19:37.32 | XYZ-Muffun | will somone explain to me why my water tastes like dog hair? |
| 19:37.43 | XYZ-Muffun | anyone? |
| 19:37.44 | Alpha_vst | then do 1-14 or what ever |
| 19:37.50 | Olat | Simple... there is a dead dog in your water system |
| 19:37.51 | Alpha_vst | check if they are playing |
| 19:37.54 | Alpha_vst | then do actions |
| 19:37.59 | XYZ-Muffun | oh shi rly? |
| 19:38.04 | XYZ-Muffun | ... |
| 19:38.09 | slightlyrandom | Olat: For Each Player in Group(Active Players) |
| 19:38.28 | slightlyrandom | That excludes Computers, though |
| 19:38.32 | XYZ-Muffun | "there is a dead dog in your water system" |
| 19:38.34 | Alpha_vst | nope |
| 19:38.41 | Alpha_vst | activeplayers can be computers |
| 19:38.56 | Kalekin | Olat, create a Player Group that keeps track of the live and dead players |
| 19:39.00 | Kalekin | then perform a for loop on that |
| 19:39.05 | Alpha_vst | but yes you want active players |
| 19:39.12 | Kalekin | and just remove/add players from the group as they die/res/whatever |
| 19:39.16 | Alpha_vst | nope |
| 19:39.16 | Olat | When i create the For Each Player Player in (All Players) |
| 19:39.22 | Helral | @XYZ: you've tasted dog hair? |
| 19:39.23 | Olat | It takes in 2 things |
| 19:39.27 | Olat | a Player Variable |
| 19:39.29 | Olat | and a Group |
| 19:39.31 | Alpha_vst | then pick each |
| 19:39.34 | Olat | I got the Group part |
| 19:39.39 | Olat | (Activr Players) |
| 19:39.44 | wOlfLinG | So, what abilitys could my survivors and Super Zombies have? |
| 19:39.47 | Olat | but what Player Variable am i passing it ? |
| 19:39.50 | Alpha_vst | pick each instead of for each |
| 19:39.51 | slightlyrandom | Eat Brain |
| 19:39.56 | Kalekin | Olat, it is a storage variable |
| 19:39.59 | slightlyrandom | and the zombies could have shotguns |
| 19:40.09 | Kalekin | It picks a player from the group |
| 19:40.13 | Helral | @Wolf: Get brain eaten, and lunch time ;p |
| 19:40.15 | Kalekin | then puts it into the Player variable |
| 19:40.20 | Alpha_vst | olat the variable is for return the value within the loop |
| 19:40.23 | Kalekin | and then you can perform operations with that player variable |
| 19:40.40 | slightlyrandom | Anyway, it seems you want PickEachPlayerInGroup (ActivePlayers) |
| 19:40.55 | Alpha_vst | olat pick each instead of for each if you dotn want the variable |
| 19:41.00 | Alpha_vst | and use picked player |
| 19:41.12 | Olat | Ok |
| 19:41.13 | Olat | cool |
| 19:41.18 | Olat | Thats exactly what i want |
| 19:41.22 | Olat | I dont need a return variable |
| 19:41.58 | slightlyrandom | Alpha_vst: I figured out my weird ass problem... The unit I was testing on had neither the ability to stop nor move |
| 19:42.03 | Kalekin | it's not a return variable |
| 19:42.06 | slightlyrandom | Sort of threw a wrench in the whole thing |
| 19:42.09 | Kalekin | I don't even know what that is |
| 19:42.10 | Alpha_vst | lol |
| 19:42.21 | Kalekin | Say for example you have a unit array |
| 19:42.24 | Kalekin | with 32 units |
| 19:42.25 | slightlyrandom | How I got it to move in the first place, I dont know |
| 19:42.32 | Alpha_vst | jsut stop Kalekin :P |
| 19:42.36 | Kalekin | that stores the hero of each player |
| 19:42.43 | Kalekin | Stop? |
| 19:42.44 | Kalekin | Fine. |
| 19:42.52 | Olat | Well hold on |
| 19:42.56 | Olat | cause this Pick Each doesnt work |
| 19:43.02 | Alpha_vst | why not? |
| 19:43.06 | Olat | or this stupid Tech Dissallow doesnt |
| 19:43.15 | Olat | the Tech Tree Disallow wants you to give it a player # |
| 19:43.33 | Kalekin | They both work |
| 19:43.38 | Alpha_vst | do picked player |
| 19:43.38 | Kalekin | They are just structured differently |
| 19:43.48 | Kalekin | Olat, for the player # you want to use the function |
| 19:43.50 | Kalekin | PickedPlayer |
| 19:43.51 | Kalekin | or something |
| 19:44.03 | Olat | ok i got it i hope lol |
| 19:44.07 | Alpha_vst | its picked player yes |
| 19:44.17 | Olat | Pick Each - Tech Tree - Picked Player... yadda yadda |
| 19:44.38 | Alpha_vst | eah |
| 19:44.51 | Olat | is there a way to test multiplayer in test mode.. like can a Editor swap between players? |
| 19:44.54 | Olat | So i can test this out |
| 19:45.33 | Alpha_vst | yeah |
| 19:45.44 | Olat | Enlighten me oh great one |
| 19:45.45 | Alpha_vst | you go to player properties |
| 19:45.52 | Alpha_vst | change the setting of player 1 |
| 19:46.05 | Alpha_vst | to not use |
| 19:46.09 | Alpha_vst | user |
| 19:46.27 | Alpha_vst | you will be player 2 when you test map |
| 19:46.47 | Olat | Well i need to be able to buy zerglings with player 1 |
| 19:46.50 | Olat | then swap to player 3 |
| 19:46.55 | Olat | and see if i can buy them with him |
| 19:47.01 | Alpha_vst | you have to make the computer do it |
| 19:47.42 | Alpha_vst | make stalkers better for me also |
| 19:47.43 | Alpha_vst | :P |
| 19:48.00 | Olat | If Player = = Alpha then Stalkers == OP |
| 19:48.04 | Olat | Ill see if that works? |
| 19:48.06 | Alpha_vst | YES |
| 19:48.13 | Alpha_vst | not that they are not already |
| 19:48.18 | Alpha_vst | i stoped playign that game |
| 19:48.24 | Olat | Lol we changed alot |
| 19:48.29 | Olat | there is only 1 op unit now |
| 19:48.30 | Alpha_vst | cause i would have like 4000 more kills than the next highest player |
| 19:48.34 | Olat | and I plan on fixing that |
| 19:48.39 | Olat | The Hellion is broken |
| 19:48.46 | Olat | his AoE fire kills Light and Bio |
| 19:48.48 | Alpha_vst | me playing that game is broken |
| 19:49.05 | Olat | lol I love to go roaches and just snipe people |
| 19:49.17 | Olat | have my partner suicide into thier base just to burn down the missle Detector |
| 19:49.31 | Olat | then I burrow and sneak like 40 roaches in.. and pop up then 3 shot his CC |
| 19:49.53 | Olat | Hes got all theese units and then out of no where he dies and players are like WTF |
| 19:50.13 | Alpha_vst | yeah i just over power everyone fuck that shit |
| 19:50.50 | Alpha_vst | that center area was hard to use when i last played also i didnt get it either :P |
| 19:51.05 | Olat | ya We made the Icon alot bigger |
| 19:51.19 | Olat | His control checks are jacked up. Im gunna try to make them simpler |
| 19:51.32 | Alpha_vst | yeah that was the issue :P |
| 19:51.51 | Olat | Right now he just checks to see if some one is in it every like 15 secs and then if not gives it to neutral.. |
| 19:52.19 | Olat | Im just gunna habe 3 triggers... Upon entering if IsControlled == False then give Control to Triggering Unit (Owner) |
| 19:52.38 | Alpha_vst | yeah |
| 19:52.40 | Olat | Upon Exiting set IsControlled == False Change owner to Nuetral |
| 19:52.49 | depthsofchaos | oh i realised why my map laged like crazy after 5 minutes :p forgot to use actor destroy on invisible actors xD |
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| 19:53.00 | Alpha_vst | :P |
| 19:53.05 | Olat | Leaking Memory is always bad |
| 19:53.06 | Alpha_vst | oh noes |
| 19:53.22 | Alpha_vst | i was runing the same trigger in 2 diffrent areaas :( |
| 19:53.25 | Alpha_vst | that was bad |
| 19:53.31 | Alpha_vst | and it was selecting all units in the map |
| 19:53.39 | Alpha_vst | every 3 and 1 sec |
| 19:53.54 | Olat | Crayon has a trigger Any unit Dies then checks to see if its a hero so he can spam the screen about your hero dying... |
| 19:53.57 | Alpha_vst | i got a huge preference boost |
| 19:54.06 | Alpha_vst | yeah that shits lame |
| 19:54.07 | Olat | I was like Jesus in a game of mass killing.. your gunna have a if any unit dies trigger |
| 19:54.36 | Olat | I think he rewards people minerals through the Triggers like that |
| 19:54.43 | Alpha_vst | i have a unit is attacked trigger :P |
| 19:54.52 | Olat | Im gunna make it use the Data Editor to give rewards to people and take out theese Any Unit Dies trigger |
| 19:54.53 | Alpha_vst | not so bad |
| 19:55.05 | Olat | Why not put in some When Mouse Clicked triggers |
| 19:55.11 | Olat | Wont cause any lag i promise! |
| 19:55.15 | Alpha_vst | FUCK YEAH |
| 19:55.35 | Alpha_vst | have you seen my map? nope here you go |
| 19:55.37 | Alpha_vst | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N2CqXmjZkSE |
| 19:55.37 | depthsofchaos | game tick event i want :o |
| 19:55.39 | Ziron | When mouse clicked, start a 1000 long for loop |
| 19:55.55 | Alpha_vst | repeat actions 1000 times |
| 19:55.57 | Alpha_vst | WOOT |
| 19:56.42 | Olat | Alpha so your going black and white to make it look like paper and pencil drawing |
| 19:56.53 | Alpha_vst | actually its custom tetxures... |
| 19:57.07 | Olat | cant see that well on youtube =P |
| 19:57.14 | Olat | Why Hydralisks for Zombies? |
| 19:57.18 | Alpha_vst | http://i47.tinypic.com/1zwke10.jpg |
| 19:57.30 | Alpha_vst | melee animation... |
| 19:57.40 | Alpha_vst | its a place holder anyways |
| 19:57.40 | Olat | Nah you need like a Infested Terran |
| 19:57.43 | Alpha_vst | NO |
| 19:57.49 | Olat | YES |
| 19:57.56 | Olat | Texture looks awesome |
| 19:57.57 | Alpha_vst | everyone says that like a idiot |
| 19:58.03 | Olat | lol |
| 19:58.12 | Olat | Hydralisk isnt a zombie... |
| 19:58.13 | Alpha_vst | infested terran dont have a melee animation |
| 19:58.17 | Olat | so whos the idiot? |
| 19:58.28 | Alpha_vst | infested terran isnt a zombie either |
| 19:58.36 | Olat | Looks more like a zombie then a Hydra =P |
| 19:58.45 | Alpha_vst | but it doesnt have a melee attack |
| 19:58.49 | Alpha_vst | which would be stupid |
| 19:58.55 | Alpha_vst | and its only a place holder |
| 19:59.33 | Olat | Im trying to think of a better unit for a zombie |
| 19:59.36 | Olat | Maybe a Zealot |
| 19:59.43 | Olat | but it wouldnt look right |
| 19:59.54 | Alpha_vst | what is it about that its a place holder you dont get |
| 19:59.59 | Olat | I do get it |
| 20:00.07 | Olat | but for now to make an improvement over a hydra |
| 20:00.09 | Alpha_vst | hydra is the best choice |
| 20:00.41 | rrowland | duh infested terrans |
| 20:00.55 | Olat | lol |
| 20:00.58 | Olat | ZOMG No melee!! |
| 20:01.03 | Olat | Jesus! IDIOT! |
| 20:01.12 | Glynn | hmm.. what's the difference between source and caster, in the data editor? |
| 20:01.20 | Alpha_vst | im sorry i like my usits to do correct animations when they attack |
| 20:01.35 | rrowland | ultralisk zombies |
| 20:01.46 | Alpha_vst | continue arguing if you want im done with it again today |
| 20:01.50 | Olat | Glynn, Caster is the unit I think.. the Source can be a ground location.... |
| 20:01.55 | Olat | Im not 100% sure though |
| 20:01.59 | Alpha_vst | sure someone will say use infested again tomorrow |
| 20:02.10 | Glynn | k, and unit origin? :P |
| 20:02.10 | rrowland | You should probably use infested terran |
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| 20:02.24 | Olat | So like if a Hightemplar tosses out Psi storm at point 5, 5 the Caster = Templar the Source is point 5, 5 |
| 20:02.34 | Alpha_vst | anyways |
| 20:02.34 | ZeroAme | Hey is there a way through triggers to detect if a player rotates scroll wheel? |
| 20:02.42 | Glynn | ah, k, thanks |
| 20:02.44 | Alpha_vst | my ai is almost at a good point to make a movie again |
| 20:03.05 | Olat | Your textures look awesome thats for sure. Id love to see it when its done |
| 20:03.08 | Alpha_vst | yeah and it will lag yoru game ZeroAme |
| 20:03.13 | ZeroAme | o |
| 20:03.42 | slightlyrandom | I have a ton of "Unit Dies" triggers ^^ |
| 20:03.54 | Alpha_vst | you should compress them |
| 20:03.58 | Alpha_vst | into one trigger |
| 20:04.03 | Alpha_vst | and do ifs |
| 20:04.15 | slightlyrandom | That'd fuck up my organization |
| 20:04.23 | Alpha_vst | lol |
| 20:04.54 | slightlyrandom | There isn't enough stuff going on in my map to warrant crazy optimization like that anyway |
| 20:04.54 | Olat | Well if you have 1000 triggers for the same event.. then your organization is already fucked |
| 20:05.05 | Alpha_vst | yeah |
| 20:05.19 | Olat | If then else Multple's are there for that reason |
| 20:05.20 | slightlyrandom | I might have 7 or 8 triggers that happen when various units die |
| 20:05.42 | Olat | and imagine all of them running at once 100's of times every split second |
| 20:05.58 | slightlyrandom | That'd require 100's of units dying every split second |
| 20:06.08 | Olat | most maps thats the case. |
| 20:06.20 | slightlyrandom | Then your map needs optimization |
| 20:06.22 | slightlyrandom | clearly |
| 20:06.29 | Alpha_vst | lol |
| 20:06.48 | Olat | Common map types... TD, Surival, RPG, |
| 20:06.57 | Olat | all of which have tons of units dying |
| 20:07.13 | depthsofchaos | trigger events do the same as an if condition imo :o |
| 20:07.16 | depthsofchaos | not much dieference |
| 20:07.21 | depthsofchaos | event gets raides it checks it |
| 20:07.48 | Olat | an Event is more of a WHEN trigger |
| 20:07.54 | Olat | not an if |
| 20:08.13 | depthsofchaos | more of an if event type of event |
| 20:08.25 | Olat | If = your not sure of some data... When = you know its gunna happen and WHEN it does you want this to happen |
| 20:08.46 | Olat | like If unit Dies you dont put a trigger like that cause you might have a unit die... |
| 20:08.51 | Olat | That event is for WHEN units die |
| 20:08.53 | slightlyrandom | Whatever, don't get religious on me here |
| 20:09.05 | Alpha_vst | lol |
| 20:09.08 | Olat | but IF unit owner == 15 then give minerals |
| 20:09.14 | slightlyrandom | Why is this shoddy editor so poor at linking stuff... |
| 20:09.25 | Olat | key word... Shoddy |
| 20:09.40 | ZeroAme | Anyone wanna test my map :) |
| 20:09.41 | slightlyrandom | Duplicating a weapon shouldn't be this convulted |
| 20:09.50 | slightlyrandom | What kind of map might that be ZeroAme ? |
| 20:09.55 | Alpha_vst | you shouldnt duplicate :P |
| 20:09.58 | ZeroAme | 3rd person rpg |
| 20:10.06 | ZeroAme | nothing is really done |
| 20:10.09 | slightlyrandom | hehe |
| 20:10.10 | Olat | Create(LastCreatedItem) |
| 20:10.13 | slightlyrandom | Sure, hit me |
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| 20:10.15 | ZeroAme | juts got done with the movement system and camera |
| 20:10.20 | ZeroAme | +starting area |
| 20:10.22 | ZeroAme | http://nightwarriors.org/Custom/Fallout%20RPG.SC2Map |
| 20:10.45 | slightlyrandom | Alpha_vst: I want two units to attack with the same attack, just have different damages |
| 20:11.11 | slightlyrandom | The cool way to do that is to make two weapons, have them link to all the same shit except EffectDamage |
| 20:11.19 | slightlyrandom | But nooooo |
| 20:11.40 | Alpha_vst | you need to make 2 diffrent weapons |
| 20:12.09 | Olat | Why not have 1 weapon with 2 differnt Effects |
| 20:12.16 | Olat | 1 Initial Effect 1 Final Effect |
| 20:12.21 | rrowland | So it's 5v5. The point of the game is to get into the other player's base and destroy it. The method of doing so is leveling and getting minerals. There are control points around the map that give an income to the team, and you get exp/gold bounties when you kill another player. I need a second way to get exp. I don't really want to use creeps. |
| 20:13.07 | rrowland | Nor control points for exp |
| 20:13.14 | Alpha_vst | do a event system |
| 20:13.22 | Olat | do Trivia! |
| 20:13.23 | Alpha_vst | have random events |
| 20:13.59 | Alpha_vst | like team 1 has more units at thsi area than another or someone kills a specific player |
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| 20:14.38 | rrowland | Well I need it to give a steady stream of exp to people who are trying to get it |
| 20:14.59 | depthsofchaos | pretty much like guild wars faction battles |
| 20:15.02 | slightlyrandom | ZeroAme: Neat, except I get a headache from that camera angle combined with the input lag |
| 20:15.07 | Alpha_vst | pick the player with the least amount of exp and give them some? |
| 20:15.07 | rrowland | More like dota :P |
| 20:15.09 | Alpha_vst | LOL |
| 20:15.10 | slightlyrandom | Or maybe its just my computer lagging graphically |
| 20:15.31 | Olat | DoTA uses Creeps |
| 20:15.39 | Alpha_vst | its not dota |
| 20:15.41 | Alpha_vst | GOD |
| 20:15.42 | rrowland | Yeah I know |
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| 20:15.57 | Olat | Your giving EXP fro killing other players |
| 20:16.00 | slightlyrandom | You can have training dummies |
| 20:16.02 | Olat | but you dont wanna use creeps |
| 20:16.04 | rrowland | I don't want to use creeps |
| 20:16.04 | slightlyrandom | Attack to get exp |
| 20:16.18 | rrowland | That's kinda gay |
| 20:16.19 | rrowland | lol |
| 20:16.19 | Olat | thats the same thing as a creep |
| 20:16.20 | slightlyrandom | :D |
| 20:16.27 | slightlyrandom | No it isn't |
| 20:16.31 | Olat | You can have items that randomly spawn |
| 20:16.33 | slightlyrandom | Creeps fight back and move and shit |
| 20:16.37 | Olat | and first one to pick it ups gets 100 exp |
| 20:16.41 | Olat | or what ever |
| 20:16.51 | depthsofchaos | give bonus auras and items for control points |
| 20:16.54 | Olat | This causes a race and a battle over the item |
| 20:16.58 | rrowland | I'm thinking of giving exp for capturing points |
| 20:17.03 | Olat | Have a king of the hill system |
| 20:17.05 | rrowland | But I need it to be steady |
| 20:17.13 | Olat | Where you take points over and get EXP for controlling it |
| 20:17.19 | slightlyrandom | Give exp for being in the process of capturing something |
| 20:17.23 | rrowland | I'm doing that, but with minerals |
| 20:17.30 | slightlyrandom | That is, for being in a contested area |
| 20:17.32 | rrowland | That's what I was thinking random |
| 20:17.51 | Alpha_vst | GAH |
| 20:18.00 | rrowland | I want to add another layer of depth though and make it possible to deny that exp gain by a skilled player |
| 20:18.05 | Alpha_vst | Making the zombies attack players is the hardest part lol |
| 20:18.07 | rrowland | Sound familiar? :P |
| 20:18.55 | rrowland | Ehh dunno I'll have to think about it |
| 20:19.40 | Alpha_vst | yeah |
| 20:20.39 | depthsofchaos | whats wrong with attack move :p |
| 20:20.50 | depthsofchaos | are you using wander behavour? |
| 20:20.54 | Alpha_vst | i would do a event system targeted to the player with the lowest exp |
| 20:21.14 | Alpha_vst | depthsofchaos its a bit more complex than that |
| 20:22.11 | Alpha_vst | im using a threat system and zombies dont have a wander behavour but they use a attack move to a random point as a search |
| 20:22.52 | depthsofchaos | and they are still too strong? |
| 20:23.09 | Alpha_vst | they get over powering realyl fast :P |
| 20:23.37 | Alpha_vst | im sure when i get the other abilities in it wont be so bad though |
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| 20:24.01 | Alpha_vst | im trying to decide how i should make them attack |
| 20:24.11 | depthsofchaos | yeah just give some aoe skills :o |
| 20:24.35 | Alpha_vst | i have a aoe unit already but yeah i plan on it |
| 20:24.56 | Alpha_vst | im just trying to decide how and when a unit should swarm attack a unit |
| 20:25.15 | Alpha_vst | err the zombies should swarm attack |
| 20:25.55 | depthsofchaos | make them wait each other |
| 20:25.58 | Alpha_vst | im thinking about a behavior |
| 20:26.58 | Alpha_vst | like if they have enough threat i just dont know what amount it should be and who to give it to |
| 20:28.02 | ZeroAme | i forget where to change so a unit doesnt flee |
| 20:28.41 | Alpha_vst | Behavior - ResponseAcquire |
| 20:28.50 | Helral | Behavior - Response |
| 20:34.12 | ZeroAme | Ok so for my attack I have it so there is a point created at position of mouse click but how do I add a unit thats there to a variable unit/unit group? |
| 20:34.21 | Alpha_vst | right now though my whole capturing points is amazing the units will call for help and wait tillt he point is taken before roaming off again |
| 20:34.25 | Alpha_vst | its pretty awesome |
| 20:36.57 | depthsofchaos | sounds nice, did you do the zombie evolving stuff? |
| 20:40.10 | XYZ-Muffun | What do lamb steaks taste like? |
| 20:40.48 | XYZ-Muffun | lol |
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| 20:42.42 | Bifuu | Some of Blizz's ACtor Events make no sense at all lol |
| 20:42.49 | Everlast | Hey guys |
| 20:43.02 | Everlast | Would any1 be so kind to dedicate 1-2 minutes and help me with a launch problem im having? ;[ |
| 20:44.30 | XYZ-Muffun | à ² _à ² |
| 20:44.46 | Bifuu | Everlast: whast your issue |
| 20:44.48 | XYZ-Muffun | what? |
| 20:45.03 | XYZ-Muffun | what program? |
| 20:45.35 | Alpha_vst | i would guess sc2 |
| 20:45.40 | Alpha_vst | the editor |
| 20:45.43 | Alpha_vst | you know |
| 20:45.51 | Everlast | SC2, editor/map launcher I guess. |
| 20:46.03 | Everlast | I just partitioned my Windows drive (Normally a Mac-side user) |
| 20:46.25 | Alpha_vst | boot camp? |
| 20:46.29 | Everlast | And I am trying to get Behemoth AI to work, however seeing as how I have never used the windows side before.. Maplauncher isn't working and I cant figure out how to launch the AI |
| 20:46.50 | BoltHead | can i make an invisable dialog box with no borders? |
| 20:46.58 | Everlast | Not bootcamp, just partitioned the drive, I get the choice to load mac/pc when the comp boots up |
| 20:47.05 | Alpha_vst | sure BoltHead |
| 20:47.13 | Alpha_vst | hide the background |
| 20:47.28 | BoltHead | seems like I can still view the borders tho |
| 20:47.34 | Alpha_vst | thats bootcamp... |
| 20:47.53 | bam_ftw | you can set its background to blank.dds |
| 20:47.56 | Everlast | Like I said.. complete newbie here :[ |
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| 20:48.18 | Alpha_vst | no idea about getting ai to work |
| 20:48.22 | Everlast | I tried following the directions per Teamliquid and also obviously, sc2mapster.. however I can't find the most rudamentary steps like.. : Where to place files, what to launch first.. etc etc |
| 20:48.44 | Everlast | Essentially, I have Behemoth.sc2map downloaded, but how do I launch it! |
| 20:48.46 | Everlast | Lol |
| 20:49.11 | XYZ-Muffun | wtf is that > ☞ < |
| 20:49.34 | Alpha_vst | um you open the map in sc2 editor |
| 20:49.36 | Alpha_vst | hit test map |
| 20:50.04 | Everlast | I guess thats my problem. |
| 20:50.11 | Everlast | Im assumin Mac/PC files are exactly the same? |
| 20:50.16 | Everlast | There wasnt a SC2 editor on my mac side... |
| 20:50.19 | Alpha_vst | for maps yes |
| 20:50.27 | Alpha_vst | no map editor ont he mac side |
| 20:50.42 | Alpha_vst | you can use teh map launcher for the mac side though |
| 20:51.36 | BoltHead | blank.dds doesn't seem to make it clear ither |
| 20:51.53 | Alpha_vst | hide the background bolthed |
| 20:51.55 | Alpha_vst | OMG |
| 20:52.15 | Alpha_vst | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:52.54 | BoltHead | k i'll change it back |
| 20:52.55 | Everlast | Thanks for your help Alpha... |
| 20:53.02 | Everlast | Are you familiar with the Behemoth AI map however? |
| 20:53.04 | Alpha_vst | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:53.10 | Everlast | Maplauncher doesn launch it for some reason.. |
| 20:53.11 | Alpha_vst | nope |
| 20:53.13 | Everlast | So that is why I am here :[ |
| 20:53.20 | Everlast | http://www.sc2mapster.com/assets/behemoth-ai/ |
| 20:53.24 | Everlast | Trying to get that to load.. |
| 20:53.26 | Alpha_vst | i know it |
| 20:53.53 | Everlast | So on the PC side, all I need to do is launch the map editor/open the map and then I can play it? |
| 20:54.11 | Alpha_vst | its a map start the editor laod the map |
| 20:54.11 | Alpha_vst | test map |
| 20:54.22 | BoltHead | meh i thought I tried that thanks Alpha =) |
| 20:54.32 | Everlast | Wow thats pretty neat. So you can actually make the map interactive and not simply edit it. Completely wasn't aware you can actually play the COMPUTER ON THEM |
| 20:54.49 | Aegis_Runestone | Does anyone know how to create a validator for a spell so that it ignores Debuffs when targeting? |
| 20:54.51 | XYZ-Muffun | ;_; |
| 20:55.40 | Everlast | Last question Alpha.. thanks again |
| 20:55.48 | Everlast | Since I am downloadin the beta client on the PC side.. |
| 20:56.09 | Everlast | Will it still allow me to update to the correct version? If not, will the map editor still load behemoth and similar maps? if NOT, are there any alternatives/solutions |
| 20:58.00 | Alpha_vst | no idea |
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| 21:00.32 | Everlast | :[ anyone have an answer? |
| 21:02.16 | Alpha_vst | you will find out |
| 21:02.34 | Alpha_vst | it will load the map though |
| 21:02.39 | Alpha_vst | it doesnt matter what version it is |
| 21:03.06 | Ziron | yes |
| 21:03.11 | Ziron | the client downloads the newest version |
| 21:03.13 | allenmelon | whats the period? |
| 21:03.22 | allenmelon | im trying to make a seige tank fire at a faster rate |
| 21:03.28 | Ziron | you don't login until after you're fully updated |
| 21:03.36 | allenmelon | the only thing i found was period, is higher faster? or lower? |
| 21:03.42 | Ziron | lower is faster |
| 21:03.50 | Ziron | but remember that there's other variables there too |
| 21:03.53 | Ziron | like backswing |
| 21:06.03 | Alpha_vst | gah |
| 21:06.14 | Everlast | Ziron, the client downloads the newest version... however, when would I be logging in? I'm simply trying to use map editor to play the behemoth AI map... |
| 21:06.17 | Alpha_vst | once i get this i will do it fast like |
| 21:06.27 | Alpha_vst | but i cant seem to figure out how to start it |
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| 21:10.26 | Everlast | ?? |
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| 21:11.17 | Alpha_vst | dont worry about it Everlast |
| 21:11.25 | BoltHead | Is there an image viewer in the map editor? I want to know what it looks like instead of just seeing a name.. |
| 21:11.43 | Everlast | Thanks for your help alpha1 |
| 21:11.44 | Everlast | take care |
| 21:11.48 | Alpha_vst | window previewer |
| 21:11.50 | Alpha_vst | 0.o |
| 21:11.52 | slightlyrandom | BoltHead: There is a previewer |
| 21:12.12 | BoltHead | its called previewer? |
| 21:12.28 | Alpha_vst | under window |
| 21:12.39 | BoltHead | found it thanks |
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| 21:14.37 | slightlyrandom | If you find a value with an asset in the Data Editor (Assets/Textures/name-of-graphics.dds) you can double click the field, then click "View" |
| 21:17.03 | BoltHead | Yeah I'd seen it before but I am trying to select an image in the triggers and it doesn't preview them |
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| 21:19.31 | Alpha_vst | this ai is confusing the shit out of me :( |
| 21:21.22 | allenmelon | how do i make seige tank be able to forminto seige mode without upgrade? |
| 21:21.35 | slightlyrandom | Find the ability, remove the requirement |
| 21:22.12 | depthsofchaos | alpha give make them player controled :p zombie master |
| 21:22.18 | depthsofchaos | ahh that was a great mod |
| 21:22.40 | Bifuu | dumb Blizzard bugs |
| 21:23.02 | Alpha_vst | i might make that a mode |
| 21:23.06 | allenmelon | foudn the ability, but there is no requirement already |
| 21:23.13 | BoltHead | oh yeah I feel smart I scaled the image correctly =) |
| 21:23.18 | Alpha_vst | but it wouldnt be very fun for the zombie guy :P |
| 21:23.34 | ZeroAme | UGH |
| 21:23.37 | slightlyrandom | allenmelon: In that case the requirement is on the button on the Unit |
| 21:23.45 | ZeroAme | i dont get how to target with mouse point |
| 21:23.50 | slightlyrandom | Unit -> Siege Tank -> CommandCard |
| 21:24.23 | Alpha_vst | im trying to sort soem data but i dont even know how im trying to get the data |
| 21:24.25 | Alpha_vst | GAH |
| 21:24.35 | depthsofchaos | i would enjoy being the zombie master :o |
| 21:24.45 | Alpha_vst | and slowly moving around the map :P |
| 21:25.12 | depthsofchaos | well need different zombie types |
| 21:25.17 | Alpha_vst | controlling up to 99 points |
| 21:25.27 | Alpha_vst | every 3 seconds |
| 21:25.52 | allenmelon | the button also has requirements at None |
| 21:26.18 | Alpha_vst | im going to maybe add it in |
| 21:26.21 | Alpha_vst | once the game is done |
| 21:26.29 | Alpha_vst | but its a maybe |
| 21:26.59 | Alpha_vst | i might keep it mostly automated |
| 21:27.16 | Alpha_vst | and have the zombie guy control the bosses and little things |
| 21:27.18 | Alpha_vst | lol |
| 21:27.37 | depthsofchaos | yeah it was like that in the mod too and there were traps activateably |
| 21:27.48 | Alpha_vst | im afraid the player controled would make the game to easy |
| 21:28.13 | depthsofchaos | for who?:p |
| 21:28.23 | Alpha_vst | it would unblance it in favor of the human side |
| 21:28.57 | Alpha_vst | no way a player could decide what to do fast enough and quick enough |
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| 21:29.18 | allenmelon | anyone know how to remove the siege mode requirement? |
| 21:29.27 | Alpha_vst | under the ability |
| 21:30.21 | allenmelon | tried under ability and button |
| 21:30.29 | allenmelon | it doesnt show any requirements |
| 21:30.34 | Alpha_vst | then you didnt look under abiltiy commands |
| 21:30.37 | Alpha_vst | YES IT DOES |
| 21:30.38 | Coding_Newb | how would i activate player 2 builder if user is present? |
| 21:31.03 | depthsofchaos | wut? |
| 21:31.19 | HotPotatoe | How do .sc2mods work? Do I make all my changes there, make it a dependency, and maps published with it automatically download/run the .mod file? |
| 21:31.31 | Alpha_vst | yes |
| 21:31.40 | HotPotatoe | cool! :D |
| 21:31.41 | depthsofchaos | but youcan only use data :(((( |
| 21:31.43 | depthsofchaos | so sad |
| 21:31.56 | HotPotatoe | does it overwrite existing units too? |
| 21:31.57 | depthsofchaos | makes moding useless |
| 21:32.02 | HotPotatoe | yeah. |
| 21:32.19 | Coding_Newb | i can make a unit initially not activated, how would i activate this unit through triggers? |
| 21:32.20 | Alpha_vst | yeah and it wont overwrite unit textures... |
| 21:32.22 | Alpha_vst | :( |
| 21:32.33 | Alpha_vst | im guessing i have to move my units to the mod |
| 21:32.35 | Alpha_vst | and it would |
| 21:32.37 | Alpha_vst | GAH |
| 21:32.47 | Alpha_vst | even though it works localy |
| 21:32.50 | depthsofchaos | well give it a behaviour that disables abilities |
| 21:32.53 | Alpha_vst | it doesnt in bnet |
| 21:32.53 | depthsofchaos | then remove it |
| 21:33.38 | BoltHead | Is there an event for resources change (gained or lost)? |
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| 21:33.53 | depthsofchaos | player property |
| 21:33.57 | SixTwo | allenmelon maybe you have to remove FieldUseSiegeMode (Use Siege Mode) |
| 21:33.57 | SixTwo | CRequirement_NodeArray +(CountUpgradeSiegeTechCompleteOnly1316718431|) from the requirements |
| 21:34.05 | Demonette | How can i modify a missle speed? oO |
| 21:34.11 | depthsofchaos | mover settings |
| 21:34.11 | BoltHead | k |
| 21:35.24 | Demonette | Oh damn... i should used precreated movers... thanks chaos |
| 21:35.56 | Sixen | Rawr! |
| 21:36.14 | Demonette | A rawring one =) |
| 21:36.27 | Sixen | [= |
| 21:36.47 | depthsofchaos | someone make zombie master for sc (the hl2 mod) ill help him :p |
| 21:37.10 | Alpha_vst | whats that? |
| 21:37.46 | Bifuu | Meow! |
| 21:37.54 | Alpha_vst | kitten |
| 21:38.06 | depthsofchaos | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5HMPQtaKYU |
| 21:38.57 | depthsofchaos | basically you follow objectives while the zombie master uses traps and spawns zombies |
| 21:39.58 | allenmelon | thanks sixtwo |
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| 21:40.59 | Bifuu | Working on a single player TD =D |
| 21:41.01 | Bifuu | cuz im bored |
| 21:41.22 | `3ICE | i made a single player td and figued i'd convert it to 3player cause my name begins with a 3 |
| 21:41.32 | `3ICE | was easy, just split starting cash 3 ways and done |
| 21:41.47 | Bifuu | haha |
| 21:42.02 | `3ICE | all the systems already used triggering player and not player 1 |
| 21:42.02 | `3ICE | yay |
| 21:42.04 | ZeroAme | is it possible to set max amount of units possible in a unit group? |
| 21:42.09 | Bifuu | im making based on the TD thats a mini game in 3d dot game heroes |
| 21:42.39 | `3ICE | ZeroAme if you are adding units 1 by 1 then jsut do count and compare it to max |
| 21:42.40 | allenmelon | how do i make all the opponents units come after my one unit in center of map? |
| 21:42.41 | depthsofchaos | zero, array or keep track of the size |
| 21:42.53 | `3ICE | and refuse to add any more if max is hit |
| 21:43.02 | SixTwo | try the Issue Order to unit group allenmelon |
| 21:43.23 | BoltHead | Can you convert "Triggering Player" to a integer? |
| 21:43.27 | SixTwo | and unitgroup choose, all living units for player in region entire map |
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| 21:44.29 | heysparky | howdy folks |
| 21:44.42 | Alpha_vst | HEY heysparky |
| 21:44.45 | RickA | hey sparky |
| 21:45.05 | Alpha_vst | so i figured out my needs for the sorting by writing it out and gah |
| 21:45.17 | holasparky | xD |
| 21:45.59 | HotPotatoe | hola |
| 21:46.20 | Alpha_vst | lol |
| 21:46.31 | ekcolnovkol | hey alpha i have a complicated question for you |
| 21:46.34 | BoltHead | sweet i can... Integer((Controler of Player(Triggering Player)) |
| 21:46.38 | Alpha_vst | no you dont but ok |
| 21:46.39 | ekcolnovkol | how do i boogie down? |
| 21:46.40 | Alpha_vst | :D |
| 21:46.43 | ekcolnovkol | :o |
| 21:46.46 | ekcolnovkol | how'd you know |
| 21:46.52 | ekcolnovkol | YOU READ MY MIND |
| 21:47.09 | Alpha_vst | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9H20MjJbJPo |
| 21:47.11 | Alpha_vst | ther you go |
| 21:47.23 | ekcolnovkol | dat be fast |
| 21:47.32 | Alpha_vst | should get you in teh mood |
| 21:47.43 | Alpha_vst | get to booging down |
| 21:47.51 | ekcolnovkol | i see half naked men |
| 21:48.06 | ekcolnovkol | ok now they're putting clothes on |
| 21:48.12 | Alpha_vst | dont question it just boogie |
| 21:48.13 | heysparky | hola :D |
| 21:50.20 | Alpha_vst | whats you doing sparky? |
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| 21:50.54 | allenmelon | what does hostile player control do? |
| 21:51.20 | Alpha_vst | what do u mean? |
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| 21:53.04 | allenmelon | player properties, |
| 21:53.15 | allenmelon | if i set player 2 to control>hostile, what does that mean? |
| 21:53.17 | heysparky | trying to figure out my poor-ass triggering |
| 21:53.33 | heysparky | causing errors and crashes |
| 21:53.34 | heysparky | wheee |
| 21:55.24 | Alpha_vst | allenmelon just think of it as a special type of computer player that will attack anyone |
| 21:55.32 | Alpha_vst | and it wont show up on the list of players |
| 21:55.58 | Alpha_vst | heysparky :( thats never fun |
| 21:56.24 | Alpha_vst | im selecting units and sorta data based on there location :( |
| 21:56.26 | Alpha_vst | GAH!!!!!!!!! |
| 21:56.37 | Alpha_vst | im slowly getting it |
| 21:57.00 | allenmelon | hm |
| 21:57.16 | allenmelon | cause im trying to make player two atack player one right away |
| 21:57.24 | allenmelon | but player two just stands still |
| 21:57.36 | allenmelon | i put observers for player two where player one is |
| 21:57.42 | allenmelon | still stays still |
| 21:58.52 | Alpha_vst | did you make thsoe units? |
| 21:59.04 | Alpha_vst | do they have the correct abilties to do so? |
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| 22:00.12 | allenmelon | correct abilities? |
| 22:00.21 | Alpha_vst | yeah |
| 22:00.27 | allenmelon | i just want all the player2 units to start attacking the siege tank in the center |
| 22:00.28 | Alpha_vst | do they have the abitlie to attack |
| 22:00.31 | SixTwo | allenmelon try putting Player - Make player 1 and player 2 treat each other as Enemy in your map initialization |
| 22:00.32 | allenmelon | yes |
| 22:01.41 | allenmelon | uhh |
| 22:01.46 | SixTwo | what happens exactlly ? does your player two not move towards player one ? or is player two in range but not attacking at all |
| 22:01.59 | allenmelon | theyre lings |
| 22:02.03 | allenmelon | all around the map |
| 22:02.08 | allenmelon | siege tank in middle |
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| 22:02.21 | allenmelon | player two, the lings, has observer ontop of siege tank so lings can see it |
| 22:02.26 | allenmelon | but they just stay still |
| 22:02.43 | SixTwo | yeah, they are too far away to attack propablly, no matter if they can see him |
| 22:02.58 | allenmelon | oh really? |
| 22:02.59 | SixTwo | you can issue an order for them to attack-move towards the tank |
| 22:03.02 | allenmelon | i thought they could |
| 22:03.03 | Alpha_vst | they would auto aquire or they should |
| 22:03.17 | allenmelon | i thought once they saw it theyd start moving towards it |
| 22:03.32 | allenmelon | issue an order? uhh im noob |
| 22:03.44 | SixTwo | easy to test no ? move the lings closer and see if they attack, you'll know where the problem is |
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| 22:04.25 | Pandepic | ~seen onetwo |
| 22:04.30 | purl | onetwo is currently on #sc2mapster (3h 46m 52s). Has said a total of 92 messages. Is idling for 2h 32m 36s, last said: 'haha all this loop talk is hilarious'. |
| 22:04.41 | allenmelon | but theres a LOT of lings... |
| 22:05.13 | Pandepic | what did you think of my tutorial allenmelon? |
| 22:05.34 | BoltHead | Are Dialog boxes scaled by resolution or are they absolute pixels? |
| 22:05.37 | allenmelon | not yet read it |
| 22:05.47 | BoltHead | err i worded that bad |
| 22:06.08 | Alpha_vst | maybe heysparky should read is also Pandepic :P |
| 22:06.17 | SixTwo | allenmelon k try this, create a new action, Pick each unit in unitgroup, then click on last created units and choose Units in region matching condition |
| 22:06.29 | Pandepic | hey alpha |
| 22:06.36 | BoltHead | Like if you have a left aligned dialog box that is offset 800 so it appears in the middle. If someone has a smaller resolution will it appear further to the right? |
| 22:06.36 | Alpha_vst | yeah |
| 22:06.45 | Demonette | my rocket got a ugly selection circle and only have 1 HP =( |
| 22:06.54 | SixTwo | then click on (Any and go to value, set it to zergling, click on ANy Player and set it to player 2 |
| 22:07.11 | BoltHead | can you get a players resolution with triggers? |
| 22:08.32 | SixTwo | lol actually allenmelon you can do without the pick each unit, all you need is Issue order to unitgroup, and you can choose zerglings like that aswell |
| 22:09.12 | BoltHead | My borrind defense is almost playable now!!! |
| 22:09.21 | BoltHead | boring* |
| 22:09.30 | heysparky | my ears are burning |
| 22:10.00 | Coding_Newb | how do u activate a unit through triggers? |
| 22:10.24 | SixTwo | activate ? like create one ? |
| 22:10.46 | Alpha_vst | defien activate |
| 22:10.52 | Alpha_vst | define |
| 22:10.53 | Coding_Newb | i placed a unit somewhere in map, but initially made it not activated |
| 22:10.53 | heysparky | what am I reading Alpha? |
| 22:11.09 | Coding_Newb | i would like to activate it when player is present |
| 22:11.32 | Coding_Newb | if you double click on the unit, its under AI tab..its called "initially activated" |
| 22:11.36 | Alpha_vst | Pandepic best pratcies thing he wont since you have issues it seems :P |
| 22:11.59 | XYZ-Muffun | fuck............ |
| 22:12.10 | Coding_Newb | i meant "initially created" |
| 22:12.34 | Alpha_vst | no idae |
| 22:12.47 | depthsofchaos | you want the ai to start building or wut? |
| 22:13.06 | SixTwo | maybe that is there so in your triggers you can choose create unit and pick that units position as placement |
| 22:13.06 | Alpha_vst | i think i got my threat sorting done |
| 22:13.18 | Coding_Newb | i want to create a unit for each player that is present.. so if player 2 exists, it will create the unit, if player 3 doesnt exist, it wont be created |
| 22:13.49 | Alpha_vst | check the status of a player |
| 22:13.52 | depthsofchaos | for each player in active player create unit |
| 22:13.55 | Alpha_vst | create unit if its player |
| 22:14.46 | Durrean | thats easy. do a each for integer, go for every player number you want, i.e. number 1-10 and check if the player is playing if yes than create your unit |
| 22:14.48 | Coding_Newb | so do we not have to manually place the unit? just create it through triggers ? |
| 22:15.27 | SixTwo | Coding_Newb yes, its easier to create untis trough triggers for what you need |
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| 22:15.43 | Coding_Newb | gotcha :) |
| 22:16.16 | depthsofchaos | are you galoise ?:p |
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| 22:24.16 | Alpha_vst | probably |
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| 22:27.08 | Alpha_vst | my sxorting isnt working :( |
| 22:27.10 | Alpha_vst | QQ |
| 22:28.22 | Alpha_vst | never mind its working sorta |
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| 22:29.17 | slightlyrandom | I've never made triggers weird enough to crash anything |
| 22:29.26 | slightlyrandom | am I doing someting wrong? |
| 22:30.10 | Alpha_vst | lol no your just doing it right and simple |
| 22:30.36 | Alpha_vst | i see what is causing my error weeee |
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| 22:32.06 | Alpha_vst | idono if im selecting the right custom value |
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| 22:33.39 | Alpha_vst | hmmm |
| 22:34.06 | Alpha_vst | damaging player does return a int right? |
| 22:34.19 | onetwo | hAHAHAHA |
| 22:34.20 | onetwo | alpha |
| 22:34.22 | onetwo | oops |
| 22:34.26 | onetwo | i started my map_loop and left |
| 22:34.29 | onetwo | and came back and my game was froze |
| 22:34.32 | onetwo | with about 5000 banelings |
| 22:34.33 | onetwo | on the map |
| 22:34.35 | Alpha_vst | LOL |
| 22:34.37 | Alpha_vst | ops |
| 22:35.13 | Alpha_vst | so i should be able to get the custom value of a unit with a int or damaging player since tehy are the saem right? |
| 22:35.34 | onetwo | holy fuck |
| 22:35.41 | onetwo | i gave the baneling a behavior that spawns a unit every second |
| 22:35.44 | onetwo | but it spawns banelings |
| 22:35.47 | onetwo | so it double loops |
| 22:36.01 | onetwo | 1 baneling->2->4->8->16 |
| 22:36.06 | onetwo | exponential |
| 22:36.07 | Alpha_vst | the custom value will be 1 if its player one no matter what right |
| 22:36.26 | onetwo | not sure |
| 22:36.40 | onetwo | custom value 0 of unit XXXX is w/e you set it to |
| 22:36.43 | heysparky | Alpha... "01Pandepic best pratcies thing he wont since you have issues it seems" What? |
| 22:36.43 | onetwo | custom value 1 is w/e you set it to |
| 22:36.49 | onetwo | custom value 500 is w/e you set it to |
| 22:36.52 | Alpha_vst | yeah |
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| 22:37.13 | Alpha_vst | but im asking if damaging player returns the int of the player |
| 22:37.20 | Alpha_vst | so it would be player one |
| 22:37.30 | Alpha_vst | and i could call 1 in another trigger |
| 22:37.32 | onetwo | i think so |
| 22:37.36 | slightlyrandom | Sounds right |
| 22:37.49 | onetwo | cause i dont think you can do Player Numbr of player damaging player |
| 22:37.53 | onetwo | i think damaging player is already a number |
| 22:38.04 | Alpha_vst | yeah its what i assume it is also |
| 22:38.45 | Alpha_vst | Variable - Set CurrentThreat = (Custom value i of (Picked unit)) |
| 22:38.51 | Alpha_vst | but it doesnt seem to be working :( |
| 22:39.03 | heysparky | Pandepic, do you have any idea what Alpha is talking about? |
| 22:39.20 | Alpha_vst | i set it like this Variable - Set CurrentThreat = (Custom value (Damaging player) of (Picked unit)) |
| 22:39.55 | onetwo | alpha watch out for i being 0 and damaging player being 1 |
| 22:39.59 | onetwo | players start at 1 |
| 22:40.31 | Alpha_vst | im doign a loop of players 1-5 |
| 22:40.34 | onetwo | k |
| 22:40.41 | Pandepic | heysparky: I think he was telling you to read my tutorial lol |
| 22:40.55 | Pandepic | onetwo </3 |
| 22:41.11 | Alpha_vst | yeah i am in a retarded way |
| 22:41.23 | onetwo | lol |
| 22:41.26 | Alpha_vst | 00:00:45.69 Checked distance |
| 22:41.28 | Alpha_vst | 00:00:45.69 Is CLose |
| 22:41.29 | Alpha_vst | 00:00:45.69 0 |
| 22:41.41 | Alpha_vst | my debug works but its sayign the value is 0 |
| 22:41.55 | heysparky | oh, it's out? |
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| 22:44.11 | Olat | Is there a way to apply a buff on a unit as long as another unit is casting something on it.. Say I wanna channel a life drain spell on a unit that increases all dmg taken by said unit until life drain stops being channelled |
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| 22:47.00 | depthsofchaos | theres a life leach per dmage option on behaviours |
| 22:55.01 | Alpha_vst | hmmm okay... |
| 22:55.04 | Alpha_vst | this is odd |
| 22:55.35 | Alpha_vst | Debug - Display (Text((Custom value 1 of (Picked unit))) with Any Precision decimal places) as debug output using Type 1, and Do Not display it in the game window |
| 22:55.36 | Alpha_vst | that works |
| 22:56.25 | Helral | what's odd about it? |
| 22:56.46 | Alpha_vst | when i use a loop its not working |
| 22:57.20 | Helral | you want a constant display of that value for testing? |
| 22:57.28 | JamesObscura | lol wait... The guy who's doing andromeda wants generic data structures... But that's impossible in C without pointers. |
| 22:57.58 | Alpha_vst | andromeda? |
| 22:58.10 | JamesObscura | It's an IDE for galaxy code. |
| 22:58.28 | JamesObscura | It's on the front page of sc2mapster atm. |
| 22:58.30 | Alpha_vst | oh |
| 22:58.42 | Alpha_vst | so idono what the fuck im doing wrong |
| 22:58.51 | Alpha_vst | it might be the way im selecting units |
| 22:58.52 | ekcolnovkol | WHAT THE FUCK |
| 22:58.56 | ekcolnovkol | STORED UNITS DO NOT RETAIN LEVELS? |
| 22:58.58 | ekcolnovkol | WHAT IS THIS |
| 22:59.01 | Helral | all I've done in custom code so far is calling a function that isn't available in the trigger item. |
| 22:59.04 | ekcolnovkol | FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF |
| 22:59.05 | Alpha_vst | ITS A FUCKIGN BUG |
| 22:59.14 | ekcolnovkol | I HATE YOU BLIZZARD |
| 22:59.21 | Alpha_vst | THEY HATE US |
| 22:59.25 | ekcolnovkol | WAH |
| 22:59.39 | ekcolnovkol | just when i finally got banks working Q_Q |
| 22:59.55 | Alpha_vst | so my loop works in return the custom value when i do it by it self |
| 22:59.56 | ekcolnovkol | i was like I"M A GENIUS |
| 22:59.59 | ekcolnovkol | and then FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF |
| 23:00.06 | Alpha_vst | i must have a conflicting sort some place |
| 23:00.12 | Alpha_vst | or selector |
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| 23:02.46 | ekcolnovkol | banks are so kooky i just want to take a gun to my head and PARTY ALL DAY |
| 23:02.58 | onetwo | what i wonder is how they finished making the campaign already |
| 23:03.01 | onetwo | if we cant save hero levels |
| 23:03.02 | onetwo | and items |
| 23:03.07 | onetwo | when they die |
| 23:03.10 | ekcolnovkol | they're holding something back |
| 23:03.16 | Alpha_vst | FUCK THIS TRIGGER |
| 23:03.16 | ekcolnovkol | THEY'RE HIDING THINGS FROM US |
| 23:03.23 | Alpha_vst | of course they are |
| 23:03.35 | ekcolnovkol | FUCK YEW BLIZZARD, GIMME MY SWEET SELACIOUS |
| 23:03.44 | ekcolnovkol | cries |
| 23:03.51 | Alpha_vst | if a hero dies in the campaign you have to restart i bet :P |
| 23:03.57 | ekcolnovkol | oh yeah |
| 23:03.59 | ekcolnovkol | or |
| 23:04.00 | ekcolnovkol | game over |
| 23:04.01 | ekcolnovkol | ;( |
| 23:04.05 | Alpha_vst | same thing |
| 23:04.21 | ekcolnovkol | some guy tried to emulate retaining experience |
| 23:04.30 | ekcolnovkol | by saving all the unit's kills in an array |
| 23:04.40 | ekcolnovkol | then killing X number of units when the unit respawns to give it back its levels |
| 23:04.46 | ekcolnovkol | ._. |
| 23:04.48 | Helral | anyone know how to disable the white border on the minimap that displays the area that the camera shows? |
| 23:04.57 | ekcolnovkol | you take a gun to your head |
| 23:04.59 | ekcolnovkol | AND PARTY ALL DAY |
| 23:05.07 | Alpha_vst | hmmm this trigger isnt savign the picked unit it seems or idono |
| 23:05.09 | Alpha_vst | WTF |
| 23:05.13 | Alpha_vst | GAH |
| 23:05.20 | ekcolnovkol | are you messing with banks? |
| 23:05.26 | Alpha_vst | me? no |
| 23:05.31 | Alpha_vst | custom values |
| 23:05.35 | ekcolnovkol | ah |
| 23:05.37 | Alpha_vst | the code works |
| 23:05.41 | onetwo | LOLOL this is the longest action line... all it does is order the picked unit to attack a random enemy unit |
| 23:05.42 | Alpha_vst | but not in this trigger |
| 23:05.42 | onetwo | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:05.50 | ekcolnovkol | tl;dr |
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| 23:05.57 | finlay | for casperb if he shows later: include "TriggerLibs/NativeLib" |
| 23:06.13 | onetwo | fyi run_loop_unit_1 is the new name for baneling |
| 23:06.14 | onetwo | in my map |
| 23:06.15 | onetwo | haha |
| 23:06.23 | Helral | ahhh @Alpha: picked unit is a global (bad blizzard) so if another action also sets the picked unit it gets changed. |
| 23:06.24 | ekcolnovkol | 4 I AM SO ANGRY I'M CRYING |
| 23:06.28 | ekcolnovkol | T_T |
| 23:06.35 | Alpha_vst | WAIT WHAT |
| 23:06.45 | ekcolnovkol | oh yeah |
| 23:06.48 | ekcolnovkol | picked unit iz global |
| 23:06.55 | Alpha_vst | ARE YOU SERIOUS!!!!!!! |
| 23:06.59 | ekcolnovkol | iz funnie |
| 23:07.02 | Helral | yup |
| 23:07.05 | Alpha_vst | WTF |
| 23:07.20 | Helral | while it should have been a local variable if you ask me. |
| 23:07.28 | Alpha_vst | very much so |
| 23:07.48 | JamesObscura | Does anyone know whether or not you can use pointers in the galaxy language... I was under the impression that blizzard removed them, but some places(including the SC2Mapster wiki) mention them without saying anything about them being removed. |
| 23:07.57 | Alpha_vst | this makes this impossible |
| 23:08.22 | ekcolnovkol | if you save it to a global |
| 23:08.26 | ekcolnovkol | then set a local variable to the global |
| 23:08.28 | ekcolnovkol | then you have your local |
| 23:08.31 | ekcolnovkol | :O |
| 23:08.49 | Alpha_vst | but i would have to recode everything |
| 23:08.54 | ekcolnovkol | or you could just use the global |
| 23:08.58 | ekcolnovkol | what are you working on again? |
| 23:09.00 | ekcolnovkol | was it risk? |
| 23:09.07 | Alpha_vst | paper zombies |
| 23:09.10 | ekcolnovkol | :o |
| 23:09.11 | Alpha_vst | its risk like |
| 23:09.18 | onetwo | OMFG |
| 23:09.21 | onetwo | map_loop is the greatest |
| 23:09.21 | Alpha_vst | what |
| 23:09.22 | BoltHead | Can you set a units Kill Resource with a trigger? |
| 23:09.23 | onetwo | hahaha this is awesome |
| 23:09.26 | ekcolnovkol | what's map_loop |
| 23:09.31 | ekcolnovkol | EZPLOIN |
| 23:09.41 | onetwo | alpha_vst made a typo a few days ago |
| 23:09.43 | onetwo | where he said map loop |
| 23:09.44 | Helral | @Alpha, can you not use set var = picked unit. and then use that var? ;p would take some adjusting ;p |
| 23:09.50 | onetwo | and i jokingly said ill make a map called map_loop |
| 23:09.53 | onetwo | and then i actually did it |
| 23:09.54 | ekcolnovkol | o.0 |
| 23:10.00 | onetwo | and all it is is a map where every second |
| 23:10.03 | onetwo | your baneling spawns another baneling |
| 23:10.07 | onetwo | and keeps looping |
| 23:10.14 | onetwo | the map design is also in a circular loop |
| 23:10.20 | onetwo | its pretty interesting because |
| 23:10.23 | Alpha_vst | yeah hes making fun of me |
| 23:10.25 | onetwo | if you lose all your banelings, game over |
| 23:10.30 | BoltHead | Oh i thought you were saying it kept reloading the loop |
| 23:10.32 | onetwo | but you want to send some |
| 23:10.33 | onetwo | to the enemy |
| 23:10.33 | BoltHead | the map* |
| 23:10.57 | BoltHead | that could be kind of cool actually you get so far and you upgrade your hero and bam map restarts ! |
| 23:11.09 | onetwo | haha |
| 23:11.10 | BoltHead | and it restarts very frequently =) |
| 23:11.22 | Alpha_vst | you cant reload maps on bnet |
| 23:11.30 | Alpha_vst | it ends the game :( |
| 23:11.33 | BoltHead | can't you load a specific map? |
| 23:11.44 | Alpha_vst | your suppose to be able to |
| 23:11.56 | Helral | anyways: anyone know of a way to disable the camera rectangle on the minimap? |
| 23:11.59 | finlay | make 1 map that instantly loads another map |
| 23:12.05 | finlay | and that map loads the original |
| 23:12.14 | finlay | person will be stuck in loading screen perpetually |
| 23:12.21 | finlay | will need to alt-f4 |
| 23:12.43 | BoltHead | so... Is there a trigger to modify a unit's Kill Resource? |
| 23:12.54 | BoltHead | i can do it in the data editor... but |
| 23:13.24 | Alpha_vst | i set a local variable and testing this shit now |
| 23:13.56 | Alpha_vst | still not working |
| 23:13.58 | Alpha_vst | :( |
| 23:14.46 | BoltHead | what is Set Unit Custom Value? do? |
| 23:15.36 | onetwo | anything you want |
| 23:15.41 | onetwo | its something for us to use |
| 23:15.50 | Alpha_vst | yeah |
| 23:15.56 | BoltHead | guess i'll do it old school... |
| 23:16.08 | Alpha_vst | its a way to store a int per unit |
| 23:16.43 | BoltHead | ohhh so it can basicly attach varables or what not to units? |
| 23:17.09 | Alpha_vst | yeah |
| 23:17.32 | Alpha_vst | so far i find it a pain to work with :P |
| 23:18.28 | allenmelon | sc2 mapping is hard... |
| 23:18.35 | onetwo | its fun |
| 23:18.37 | allenmelon | some parts, |
| 23:18.40 | onetwo | imagine trying to do this from the ground up |
| 23:18.44 | allenmelon | actually, most of its pretty easy |
| 23:18.44 | onetwo | with that piece of crap |
| 23:18.45 | onetwo | C++ |
| 23:18.46 | onetwo | lol |
| 23:19.01 | allenmelon | just when you dont know how to make the editor do something |
| 23:19.11 | Ziron | There are some things I find odd, like why are actors referencing the unit rather then the unit referencing the actor? |
| 23:19.23 | allenmelon | but yeah, its fun. |
| 23:19.33 | allenmelon | i want to make a wheres waldo map lol |
| 23:19.43 | allenmelon | where players try to find waldo first, |
| 23:20.23 | Alpha_vst | its really easy |
| 23:20.30 | allenmelon | not for me |
| 23:20.31 | Alpha_vst | you can do it in a day |
| 23:20.33 | allenmelon | idk how to do anything |
| 23:20.37 | BoltHead | I'm not sure how to indicate that a triggering player has killed a unit owned by player X as a condition and/or event |
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| 23:20.50 | allenmelon | well, i know a little bit on how to use data, but nothing on triggers |
| 23:20.52 | Alpha_vst | create 1 unit in random map area of waldo |
| 23:20.56 | Ziron | event -> unit dies |
| 23:20.59 | Alpha_vst | spawn a lot more units that are not |
| 23:21.05 | Alpha_vst | show the level |
| 23:21.08 | Ziron | condition: triggering unit is owned by player X |
| 23:21.14 | zrbecker | Is duplicating objects suppose to f everything up in your data editor. lol. Because that seems like it is its primary function in my editor. |
| 23:21.14 | Ziron | condition: triggering player is player Y |
| 23:21.47 | Ziron | duplicating causes a huge mess |
| 23:22.06 | zrbecker | Right now I have one of my units actors set as a Dark Templar but he is showing up as a Stalker model on top of a Roach model. |
| 23:22.07 | BoltHead | would that mean player Y killed the unit? |
| 23:22.08 | Alpha_vst | dont duplicate |
| 23:22.27 | zrbecker | and about 3x as large. |
| 23:22.29 | zrbecker | lol |
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| 23:22.38 | Alpha_vst | AHHHH HA |
| 23:22.39 | Ziron | hmm, now I'm not sure |
| 23:22.42 | zrbecker | Giant Stalker/Roach hybrids. |
| 23:22.43 | depthsofchaos | youve done somthing horribly wrong :o |
| 23:22.43 | Alpha_vst | ITS SLECTING PLAYER 0 |
| 23:22.45 | Alpha_vst | WTF |
| 23:22.51 | depthsofchaos | i like the acurrent actor system tho |
| 23:22.59 | Ziron | But! |
| 23:23.04 | Ziron | I have a trigger i can look at |
| 23:23.17 | Ziron | oh right |
| 23:23.28 | Ziron | There's a player called "Killing Player" |
| 23:23.51 | zrbecker | I don't think there is an easy way to copy terrain from one map to another. Copy and Paste doesn't seem to work between maps. Is there a difficult one yet? lol. I am looking to reset my data editor. It is fubar. |
| 23:23.56 | Ziron | and there's also "killing unit" |
| 23:24.07 | Ziron | So my trigger uses (Owner of (Killing unit)) != 14 |
| 23:24.20 | BoltHead | yeah I just saw that awsome thanks Ziron |
| 23:24.44 | BoltHead | triggering player = Y doesn't seem to indicate that he was the player that killed it |
| 23:24.46 | Ziron | You need to have both maps open at the same time |
| 23:24.50 | Alpha_vst | WHY THE FUCK IS THIS RETURNING PLAY 0 |
| 23:24.55 | Ziron | ye, you need killing player |
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| 23:25.10 | Ignorance | seen tehwildcard |
| 23:25.17 | Ignorance | ~seen tehwildcard |
| 23:25.18 | purl | tehwildcard <~Jer@pool-71-122-122-129.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #sc2mapster, 2d 15h 42m 1s ago, saying: 'http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0u5HwLR9Brc'. |
| 23:25.25 | zrbecker | I didn't know you could open both at same time |
| 23:25.25 | Alpha_vst | HAHAHAHAHAHAHA |
| 23:25.27 | Alpha_vst | OMG |
| 23:25.30 | Alpha_vst | IM A NOOB |
| 23:25.37 | Ignorance | So, I've decided on how I'll do modes. |
| 23:25.50 | Ziron | Yes we know Alpha :p |
| 23:25.55 | Helral | yay I found out how to disable that camera thing on the minimap. ;) |
| 23:26.02 | Alpha_vst | i was useing a interger with General - Pick each integer from 1 to 5, and do (Actions) |
| 23:26.08 | Alpha_vst | grrrrr |
| 23:26.13 | Helral | lol |
| 23:26.14 | Ignorance | Each player can pick modes, as many as he wants. It'll random among the ones he picks. He can pick 'random' if he wants, or even 'random' with other modes. A player can also cede his mode choosing, which is assumed automatically. |
| 23:26.24 | Alpha_vst | no wonder |
| 23:26.39 | Ignorance | If I can, I'll be saving these settings in banks so it automatically loads. |
| 23:26.52 | Ignorance | It picks a player and goes with his choices, then the next the next round, etc. |
| 23:27.01 | Ignorance | A rotating host system with no wait or necessary downtime. |
| 23:27.17 | Ziron | some kind of uther's party thing? |
| 23:27.24 | Ignorance | I'm going to make the game as independent of afkers and remove as much downtime as possible to increase replayability. |
| 23:27.25 | Ignorance | Yeah... |
| 23:27.28 | Ignorance | Sentry Scramble |
| 23:27.47 | Ignorance | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0u5HwLR9Brc |
| 23:27.50 | Ignorance | good go |
| 23:27.51 | Ignorance | god |
| 23:27.53 | Ignorance | 125000 views |
| 23:27.54 | Alpha_vst | thats pretty good idea Ignorance |
| 23:28.00 | rrowland | sentry scramble is nothing like uther party lol |
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| 23:28.03 | ekcolnovkol | is the spell contest over |
| 23:28.07 | ekcolnovkol | o.0 |
| 23:28.08 | Ignorance | yeah, at first I was like voting |
| 23:28.10 | Pandepic | husky always gets a lot of views |
| 23:28.14 | ekcolnovkol | aw |
| 23:28.20 | Pandepic | I've kinda stopped watching his videos though |
| 23:28.28 | ekcolnovkol | i'm almost done with my STARGATE BEAMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM |
| 23:28.31 | ekcolnovkol | :( |
| 23:28.31 | Ignorance | but then I was like...but that'll stagnate the games they play if like two players always pick the same mode. |
| 23:28.49 | Ziron | maybe they like those modes :P |
| 23:28.51 | Ziron | don't overthink it |
| 23:29.07 | Pandepic | somebody should remake uther party |
| 23:29.10 | Pandepic | but call it zergling party |
| 23:29.17 | Pandepic | maybe I'll do that when I'm bored |
| 23:29.18 | Ignorance | I'll actually be adding a shitton more modes. |
| 23:29.30 | Ignorance | It's like uther party...except every game somehow relies on a maze. :P |
| 23:29.46 | zrbecker | How do you open two maps at the same time? It looks like i have two maps open but I can only access the last one I opened. |
| 23:29.50 | Ignorance | my plan is to make as many modes as they'll still be good, probably like 12. |
| 23:30.03 | Alpha_vst | do 20 |
| 23:30.03 | Ignorance | There's an option on the taskbar |
| 23:30.12 | Ignorance | under like |
| 23:30.14 | Alpha_vst | make so super rare |
| 23:30.14 | Ignorance | the second to last one |
| 23:30.17 | Ignorance | it lists your open map |
| 23:30.24 | Ignorance | 20 modes kind of overwhelms it |
| 23:30.26 | Ziron | I think it's so hilarious that the teamliquid community just skipped wc3 and compare the map editor to the sc1 editor |
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| 23:30.30 | Ignorance | I want every mode to be played a lot. |
| 23:30.46 | Ignorance | Also, I've made it so that the camera |
| 23:30.53 | Ignorance | will change it back on one click regardless |
| 23:30.58 | depthsofchaos | i hate the tl community :p |
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| 23:31.09 | Ignorance | so, like, if you're in original view, it'll always go to top-down and vice veras |
| 23:31.13 | zrbecker | Ignorance: Thanks |
| 23:31.17 | Ignorance | regardless if you went there via scroll or what |
| 23:31.21 | Ignorance | Thanks for what? :P |
| 23:31.40 | Ignorance | oh right |
| 23:31.41 | Ignorance | that |
| 23:31.42 | Ignorance | lol |
| 23:31.45 | Ignorance | wasn't paying attention |
| 23:31.48 | Ignorance | god I'm hungry |
| 23:32.04 | Ignorance | food will be ready in 15 minutes, takes 10 minutes to drive there raaaaa |
| 23:32.10 | Ignorance | I will be back later. |
| 23:32.29 | Ignorance | but srsly, I plan to revolutionize options with my next release of the game,. |
| 23:32.39 | Ignorance | I'm so sick of this 'host chooses' or 'auto-random' bullshit. |
| 23:32.42 | Ignorance | or even voting |
| 23:32.44 | Ignorance | all terribad |
| 23:33.26 | Alpha_vst | yeah |
| 23:33.28 | Ziron | you know the best thing about b.net being the host? The host will no longer completely dominate all the quick reaction minigames. |
| 23:33.51 | Alpha_vst | lol |
| 23:33.51 | Pandepic | I used to win uther party all the time on wc3 without needing to host it =D |
| 23:34.39 | Alpha_vst | MY THREAT SYSTEM IS COMPELTE!!!!!!!! |
| 23:34.41 | Alpha_vst | WOOT |
| 23:35.59 | Alpha_vst | i just have to localize it so im not selecting every unit in the game |
| 23:37.32 | BoltHead | i got this error... Trigger Error in 'gt_MineralsPerKill_Func': Could not get 'player' from parameter in 'PlayerModifyPropertyInt' (value: 16) |
| 23:37.49 | Alpha_vst | paste bin you code |
| 23:37.54 | Alpha_vst | your |
| 23:38.07 | BoltHead | is there a conveniant way to copy it? |
| 23:38.17 | Alpha_vst | http://pastebin.com/ |
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| 23:38.42 | Helral | btw for anyone who wants to see a minimap that moves with the player as he walks around in my map: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqtjfFU7dE0 |
| 23:38.49 | Ziron | there is no player 16 |
| 23:38.54 | Ziron | i think you got a loop or something to fix |
| 23:39.00 | BoltHead | yeah... |
| 23:39.03 | Olat | player 15 is player 16 |
| 23:39.03 | Ziron | The players are 0-15 |
| 23:39.06 | Olat | it goes 0 - 15 |
| 23:39.09 | BoltHead | Event: Unit - Any Unit Dies |
| 23:39.09 | Alpha_vst | helral did you use the files on the site? its been done before |
| 23:39.13 | Olat | so player 15 is the 16th player |
| 23:39.16 | Helral | it has? ;p |
| 23:39.33 | Helral | I only used 1 action to be honest. |
| 23:39.41 | Alpha_vst | oh |
| 23:39.42 | BoltHead | Conditions: (Owner of (triggering unit) == 15 & Owner of (Killing Unit) != 15 |
| 23:39.46 | Alpha_vst | i misunderstood you |
| 23:39.55 | Helral | hehehe |
| 23:39.59 | Alpha_vst | but yeah thats easy to do :P |
| 23:40.00 | BoltHead | Actions Player - Modify Player (Owner of (Killing Unit) Minerals Add 1 |
| 23:40.33 | Helral | my random map now contains some walls through which you can walk (Secret Doors) ;) |
| 23:40.39 | Ziron | interesting, somehow player 16 killed a unit? |
| 23:40.52 | Alpha_vst | i was about to ask |
| 23:40.55 | ekcolnovkol | 4I'M ON A BOAT |
| 23:40.57 | BoltHead | what Olat says makes since |
| 23:41.18 | Alpha_vst | oh wait the mini map actually moves... :P |
| 23:41.21 | BoltHead | weird but i suppose that could be the reason it says that |
| 23:41.24 | Alpha_vst | thats nifty |
| 23:41.36 | HotPotatoe | E3 in 2 days. |
| 23:41.59 | Alpha_vst | yeah who cares |
| 23:42.03 | HotPotatoe | I do |
| 23:42.06 | HotPotatoe | oh! |
| 23:42.16 | Alpha_vst | not a good year |
| 23:42.27 | HotPotatoe | iyo |
| 23:42.28 | Alpha_vst | im not excited for anything |
| 23:42.34 | BoltHead | it gave me that error but I still got my Mineral |
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| 23:42.41 | Helral | you thought I meant something else then moving the minimap like that? |
| 23:42.51 | Alpha_vst | yeah lol |
| 23:43.02 | depthsofchaos | player 16 kills a unit if you use triggers to kill it |
| 23:43.09 | depthsofchaos | cause it got no owner |
| 23:43.28 | Ziron | I wonder if it's possible to add a killing player != null condition |
| 23:43.45 | depthsofchaos | just add killing player !=16 |
| 23:43.59 | Ziron | or <14 |
| 23:44.01 | depthsofchaos | or no player maybe |
| 23:44.05 | Ziron | then you got 15 and 16 covered in one condition |
| 23:44.13 | Alpha_vst | lol <=0 |
| 23:44.19 | Helral | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:44.26 | Helral | ;p |
| 23:44.43 | BoltHead | whats an in-valid killing unit? |
| 23:44.47 | BoltHead | lol |
| 23:44.47 | Pandepic | would anyone in here happen to be a good spriter? |
| 23:44.48 | Ziron | a trigger |
| 23:44.49 | depthsofchaos | well not only units can kill |
| 23:44.49 | Ziron | suicide |
| 23:44.56 | Pandepic | or graphics designer for user interfaces |
| 23:44.56 | Helral | ;) |
| 23:45.07 | BoltHead | the unit was a missle turret |
| 23:45.14 | BoltHead | killing carriors |
| 23:45.34 | depthsofchaos | spriter?:p are there sprites in ge? |
| 23:45.46 | Helral | some of my triggers have multiple events. so I filter out which event triggers it at some point using that condition amongst others. |
| 23:46.05 | Alpha_vst | lol woot |
| 23:46.14 | Alpha_vst | my triggers dont have multi events |
| 23:46.18 | Alpha_vst | im to good for that |
| 23:46.34 | Helral | I'm not going to create 15 triggers that do the same thing. |
| 23:46.45 | Alpha_vst | in fact 90% of my triggers have no event |
| 23:46.47 | Helral | just because they trigger at 15 different events ;p |
| 23:47.00 | Alpha_vst | wtf is with that |
| 23:47.16 | Alpha_vst | most of my triggers are not used by it self |
| 23:47.21 | Helral | my achievement gain event ;p |
| 23:47.24 | Helral | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:47.30 | Helral | one of the conditions. ;p |
| 23:47.36 | Alpha_vst | or are on a pereodic trigger event |
| 23:47.44 | Alpha_vst | periodic trigger rungs like 14 triggers |
| 23:47.46 | Alpha_vst | wtf |
| 23:48.08 | Helral | no I sometimes trigger that event with another trigger cause I change a certain value ;p |
| 23:48.14 | Alpha_vst | yeah |
| 23:48.37 | Alpha_vst | i need to swtich my ai now |
| 23:48.42 | Helral | currently I got 2 achievement types: kills and dungeon depth ;p |
| 23:48.49 | Alpha_vst | sexy |
| 23:48.52 | Ziron | I wonder if we'll be seeing any "Quad core only" maps because someone got trigger happy |
| 23:48.53 | BoltHead | Im kinda wondering how much I should continue to work on my Crappy Turret D before I decide to try something new =) |
| 23:49.18 | Alpha_vst | Ziron my map is very very lag friendly |
| 23:49.21 | Helral | <-- is amongst the some |
| 23:49.22 | BoltHead | I suppose I should add a Level Counter an a Victory lol |
| 23:49.34 | Alpha_vst | im making my map with the most minimal lag i can create |
| 23:49.34 | Ziron | bah |
| 23:49.40 | Ziron | we'll stay on lvl 1 forever |
| 23:49.41 | Ziron | more fun that way |
| 23:49.45 | Alpha_vst | i care about playablity |
| 23:49.53 | Helral | I got wasd movement in my map. |
| 23:50.04 | Alpha_vst | i have a threat system what now |
| 23:50.08 | Helral | that should provide enough lag ;p |
| 23:50.11 | Ziron | wasd movement is awesome and I hope blizzard fixes it |
| 23:50.37 | Helral | although my map allows for wasd not to be used. |
| 23:50.52 | Helral | maybe I'll even add an enable disable trigger so that it can be disabled at the start of the game. |
| 23:50.56 | Ziron | Do you want to lag down the entire game yes/no/maybe |
| 23:50.58 | Alpha_vst | helral i say you get rid of the map and add in a diffrent sort of map |
| 23:51.06 | Alpha_vst | one that adds rooms |
| 23:51.07 | Helral | lol |
| 23:51.13 | Alpha_vst | as you explore |
| 23:51.25 | onetwo | hahaha alpha |
| 23:51.25 | Alpha_vst | might take a lot of work but :P |
| 23:51.28 | Helral | @Alpha: that's laggy. |
| 23:51.30 | onetwo | map_loop is actually getting really fun |
| 23:51.32 | onetwo | i added AI |
| 23:51.34 | onetwo | ill send you it later |
| 23:51.36 | Alpha_vst | WOOT |
| 23:51.45 | *** join/#sc2mapster FireryRage (~FireryRag@CPE001b2476d3e9-CM00159a07499a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) |
| 23:51.51 | onetwo | it takes a lot of skill |
| 23:51.54 | Alpha_vst | my map is getting more awesome |
| 23:51.56 | Helral | cause it will need to calculate the room specs during play and spawn them. |
| 23:51.58 | onetwo | cause you have to try and send single banelings at the enemies |
| 23:52.02 | onetwo | so you dont waste them all |
| 23:52.04 | onetwo | takes good micro |
| 23:52.09 | BoltHead | I'm trying to think of a simple in concept map to create that will be a bit unique and creative |
| 23:52.19 | Alpha_vst | fuck that add regions helral to y our halways |
| 23:52.24 | ZeroAme | Hey guys got a question on why my energy bossbar isnt working properly |
| 23:52.25 | ZeroAme | http://paste.sc2mapster.com/2102/ |
| 23:52.26 | Alpha_vst | or to the room them self |
| 23:52.31 | Helral | ;p |
| 23:52.50 | onetwo | how do i go afk |
| 23:52.55 | onetwo | with the tag |
| 23:53.04 | ZeroAme | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:53.11 | onetwo | nope |
| 23:53.27 | ZeroAme | -shrugs- |
| 23:53.42 | onetwo | well im afk |
| 23:53.44 | onetwo | for a couple hours |
| 23:53.45 | Alpha_vst | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:53.53 | onetwo | nope |
| 23:53.54 | onetwo | oh wait |
| 23:53.58 | onetwo | yes |
| 23:54.01 | SixTwo | have you tried /nick onetwo<SixTwo ? |
| 23:54.04 | ZeroAme | it auto sets you to afk after like 10 minutes |
| 23:54.04 | Ziron | Ame, you do get two boss bars right? |
| 23:54.14 | ZeroAme | Yes |
| 23:54.42 | Helral | bossbar automatically only shows health it seems. you need to manually update it for energy I think. |
| 23:54.59 | Alpha_vst | your probably setting the interger as life in your energy one |
| 23:55.05 | ZeroAme | http://paste.sc2mapster.com/2102/ |
| 23:55.09 | ZeroAme | read it |
| 23:55.14 | ZeroAme | it sets it to energy |
| 23:55.20 | ZeroAme | and does do a refreash |
| 23:55.43 | Alpha_vst | then you have no issue |
| 23:55.48 | Alpha_vst | next |
| 23:56.02 | ZeroAme | ... |
| 23:56.05 | Cromalic | heh |
| 23:56.07 | ZeroAme | I do have an issue |
| 23:56.11 | Cromalic | i just think this is a bit annoying |
| 23:56.13 | ZeroAme | it displays units health |
| 23:56.16 | Helral | I don't see it setting it to energy... which line is that? |
| 23:56.29 | Cromalic | but any of you guys experience that the CTRL key seems to be sort of stuck after a play test? |
| 23:56.33 | ZeroAme | 12 |
| 23:56.40 | Helral | I see you setting a title to energy. |
| 23:56.42 | ZeroAme | UI - Display boss bar 2 with title "Energy", portrait Assets\Textures\btn-ability-protoss-arguslink.dds and maximum value (Integer((Hero Maximum Energy (Current)))) for (Player group(1)) |
| 23:56.49 | ZeroAme | scroll over |
| 23:57.10 | Helral | yeah and? you set the max value to your energy supply.... but nothing is said about setting the current value. |
| 23:57.22 | BoltHead | Whats a Function do that an Action Definition can't? |
| 23:57.28 | ZeroAme | Energy (Current)))) |
| 23:57.33 | BoltHead | I was using my Action Defs as functions... |
| 23:57.42 | Helral | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:58.01 | Alpha_vst | yeah |
| 23:58.05 | ZeroAme | yes |
| 23:58.17 | Alpha_vst | should we tell him boss bars are for hp only? |
| 23:58.32 | ZeroAme | -_- |
| 23:58.47 | ZeroAme | ive seen numours maps that have used bossbars for energy |
| 23:58.48 | Helral | UI - Set boss bar 2 current value to (Integer((Hero Maximum Energy (Current)))) (Do refresh the boss bar) <-- maybe you want to do that. |
| 23:59.00 | Alpha_vst | use progress dailog bars |
| 23:59.31 | Helral | well something like that at least. |
| 23:59.45 | ZeroAme | helral it does do refresh |
