IRC log for #sc2mapster on 20100612

`00:00.05`	`Vulfe`	`it's not some magical property of motherships`
`00:00.08`	`P_R_Deltoid`	`another mothership`
`00:00.08`	`bam_ftw`	`i had 2 motherships`
`00:00.16`	`bam_ftw`	`and it didnt work`
`00:00.23`	`Vulfe`	`mothership cloaking explicitly excludes motherships`
`00:00.35`	`Vulfe`	`otherwise it would affect itself`
`00:02.06`	`Vulfe`	`the mothership has so many fields in the editor`
`00:02.06`	`Vulfe`	`lol`
`00:02.12`	`Vulfe`	`under effects`
`00:02.26`	`Alpha_vst`	`yeah`
`00:02.28`	`Vulfe`	`vortex is a greedy ability`
`00:03.20`	`ekcolnovkol`	`why did they have to make the vortex actor so bad`
`00:03.32`	`Alpha_vst`	`why is it bad`
`00:03.33`	`ekcolnovkol`	`fun to look at, terrible implementation`
`00:03.37`	`ekcolnovkol`	`it's too static`
`00:03.42`	`ekcolnovkol`	`you have to make it spin on your own`
`00:03.47`	`ekcolnovkol`	`:\|`
`00:03.54`	`Alpha_vst`	`not really`
`00:04.01`	`ekcolnovkol`	`it doesn't spin`
`00:04.10`	`Alpha_vst`	`so`
`00:04.14`	`casperb`	`For AI, data editor defines hints for the AI scripts to use`
`00:04.18`	`ekcolnovkol`	`how is that a vortex >O`
`00:04.33`	`Alpha_vst`	`how does the effect nto spin?`
`00:04.34`	`*** join/#sc2mapster Jcup (ad37e762@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.55.231.98)`
`00:04.51`	`ekcolnovkol`	`it doesn't, it warps what you see, but doesn't move`
`00:04.56`	`ekcolnovkol`	`think of it as a spiral prism`
`00:05.31`	`Vulfe`	`Effects link to behaviors and not vice versa...`
`00:05.32`	`Vulfe`	`interesting`
`00:05.35`	`Vulfe`	`at least in some cases`
`00:05.53`	`Alpha_vst`	`i have to restart my game like 100 times`
`00:05.55`	`Alpha_vst`	`GAH`
`00:05.58`	`finlay`	`man I had a way of turning visiblity on for a whole map`
`00:06.09`	`Alpha_vst`	`...`
`00:06.10`	`finlay`	`but now I can't find it, it has seconds and`
`00:06.16`	`finlay`	`I can't find the 'infinity'`
`00:06.19`	`Alpha_vst`	`00`
`00:06.21`	`Alpha_vst`	`lol`
`00:06.26`	`Alpha_vst`	`0 is forever`
`00:06.44`	`finlay`	`ah there we go, thanks`
`00:06.46`	`Alpha_vst`	`OMG Its to soon to tell`
`00:06.50`	`Zironic`	`lies, diamonds are forever`
`00:07.03`	`Alpha_vst`	`but i might of fixed this bug with one simple check`
`00:07.49`	`Alpha_vst`	`im only on my 5th test`
`00:09.03`	`Alpha_vst`	`i need to make this generator faster`
`00:09.18`	`Zironic`	`make it generate less :p`
`00:09.24`	`Alpha_vst`	`i cant`
`00:09.33`	`Helral`	`how long does your generator take?`
`00:09.34`	`Alpha_vst`	`it takes 10 seconds`
`00:09.49`	`Alpha_vst`	`for a 256x256 map`
`00:10.16`	`Alpha_vst`	`hmmm well still have the bug`
`00:10.18`	`Helral`	`hmmm I was at 3 secs for 50x50 ;p let's see 225x225 then. (that's playable size)`
`00:10.54`	`Helral`	`15 seconds orso`
`00:11.01`	`Alpha_vst`	`so mines not bad`
`00:11.41`	`Vulfe`	`what are you generating, alpha`
`00:13.40`	`Alpha_vst`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6HZOpr1GnJk`
`00:13.42`	`Alpha_vst`	`that`
`00:13.48`	`Alpha_vst`	`how do u people not see my videos :P`
`00:14.14`	`*** join/#sc2mapster onetwo (ae070b69@gateway/web/freenode/ip.174.7.11.105)`
`00:14.14`	`*** mode/#sc2mapster [+v onetwo] by ChanServ`
`00:14.25`	`Alpha_vst`	`its slower cause of fraps`
`00:14.41`	`Helral`	`hmmm that was a much better generation speed on my side.`
`00:14.44`	`Zironic`	`that should go much faster`
`00:15.05`	`Helral`	`although I pushed the game memory to it's limit with optimizing for speed ;p`
`00:15.24`	`Zironic`	`you're just filling a grid with random 0's and 1's right?`
`00:15.47`	`Vulfe`	`are the maps somehow guaranteed to be playable?`
`00:15.55`	`Alpha_vst`	`i have defined grids`
`00:16.13`	`Alpha_vst`	`nope Vulfe :P`
`00:16.19`	`Jcup`	`Yay got a spell done for the contest :)`
`00:16.28`	`Helral`	`hmmmm my game is whining about memory roflol`
`00:16.48`	`Vulfe`	`I guess you could do it oldschool and just have a remake map vote thing if it's unplayable`
`00:16.50`	`Vulfe`	`:P`
`00:16.57`	`Zironic`	`Helrals awesome map, 4gb+ ram minimum!`
`00:17.03`	`Alpha_vst`	`Vulfe it will always be playable`
`00:17.09`	`Helral`	`btw anyone know how to trigger an effect/ability ondeath?`
`00:17.11`	`Vulfe`	`simple game?`
`00:17.20`	`ekcolnovkol`	`HE AT MY HEART`
`00:17.24`	`ekcolnovkol`	`HE A-A-A-ATE MY HEART`
`00:17.25`	`Alpha_vst`	`i have to add in things like teleport which are a part of the game`
`00:17.36`	`finlay`	`what happens to a vairable you specify as 'multiple'?`
`00:17.39`	`Zironic`	`the banelings have a trigger on death`
`00:17.40`	`Vulfe`	`Helral, take a look at the baneling death behavior`
`00:17.42`	`Alpha_vst`	`so even if you get stuck you have a way out`
`00:17.42`	`finlay`	`er parameter`
`00:17.54`	`finlay`	`does it become an array?`
`00:17.59`	`Vulfe`	`ah`
`00:18.00`	`ekcolnovkol`	`messing with dialog is AWESOMEFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF`
`00:18.05`	`Vulfe`	`okay, Alpha_vst, that makes sense`
`00:18.11`	`Alpha_vst`	`the way i set up my grids it rarely happens though`
`00:18.21`	`Vulfe`	`it would be very difficult to generate terrain for a game unlike that`
`00:18.23`	`Alpha_vst`	`unless i get a long string of the same thing`
`00:18.53`	`Alpha_vst`	`but for being completely random it makes some amazing things`
`00:19.13`	`Vulfe`	`what is the premise of the game?`
`00:19.31`	`Alpha_vst`	`survival and extermination`
`00:19.47`	`Vulfe`	`give me some verbs`
`00:19.56`	`Alpha_vst`	`um team work :D`
`00:20.05`	`Vulfe`	`thats a noun`
`00:20.13`	`Vulfe`	`What I mean is, what do you do in the game`
`00:20.14`	`Vulfe`	`lol`
`00:20.22`	`Vulfe`	`it obviously has to do with zombies`
`00:20.52`	`Alpha_vst`	`its a control defend capture`
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`00:21.01`	`payne`	`lol, this is still alive?`
`00:21.15`	`ekcolnovkol`	`your mom is still alive`
`00:21.18`	`ekcolnovkol`	`o.o`
`00:21.21`	`Alpha_vst`	`you ruined it`
`00:21.22`	`ekcolnovkol`	`right?`
`00:21.27`	`Alpha_vst`	`no one was suppose to talk`
`00:21.27`	`payne`	`she commited suicide when i was 1 yo ;o`
`00:21.30`	`casperb`	`troll food!`
`00:21.33`	`payne`	`that's quite funny that you've said this XD`
`00:21.36`	`ekcolnovkol`	`sorry Q_Q`
`00:21.40`	`Alpha_vst`	`lol sucks for you`
`00:21.46`	`payne`	`i dun rly care`
`00:21.48`	`payne`	`i was 1 yo`
`00:21.51`	`Jcup`	`yay Check out my spell for spell contest guys :D`
`00:21.55`	`payne`	`... not like i had any memory or even feelings about her`
`00:21.57`	`Alpha_vst`	`NO`
`00:22.01`	`ekcolnovkol`	`link it Jcup`
`00:22.06`	`ekcolnovkol`	`i will use it immediately ;D`
`00:22.09`	`Pandepic`	`lol`
`00:22.19`	`onetwo`	`hey everybody`
`00:22.21`	`Jcup`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvhbPrPnosU`
`00:22.22`	`ekcolnovkol`	`howdy`
`00:23.02`	`ekcolnovkol`	`WHAT THE F IS THAT`
`00:23.07`	`Jcup`	`lolz`
`00:23.07`	`Alpha_vst`	`so you burn on the zerglings`
`00:23.10`	`payne`	`lol`
`00:23.13`	`payne`	`takes years to load under HD D:`
`00:23.20`	`Jcup`	`lolzlol`
`00:23.30`	`ekcolnovkol`	`i love the cast animation`
`00:23.32`	`ekcolnovkol`	`dat be sick`
`00:23.34`	`onetwo`	`lol epic music makes it good`
`00:23.39`	`Vulfe`	`lol`
`00:23.43`	`onetwo`	`but yeah that ability should be only for the final boss`
`00:23.46`	`ekcolnovkol`	`oh wait`
`00:23.46`	`Jcup`	`Basically it lights the unit u target that target freaks out cuz its burning and it lights everyone else on fire if they are nearby`
`00:23.46`	`onetwo`	`of the hardest RPG`
`00:23.46`	`payne`	`vulva! >:O`
`00:23.47`	`ekcolnovkol`	`is that`
`00:23.47`	`onetwo`	`ever made`
`00:23.52`	`Vulfe`	`the video is actually pretty funny`
`00:23.53`	`finlay`	`can anyone tell me how the parameter - multiple: works?`
`00:23.53`	`ekcolnovkol`	`IS THAT A COLOSSUS LASER`
`00:23.58`	`ekcolnovkol`	`THAT'S A COLLOSSUS LASER`
`00:24.03`	`ekcolnovkol`	`i GOT you`
`00:24.04`	`Vulfe`	`just because it's a giant stalker setting things on fire`
`00:24.07`	`Jcup`	`uh no actually`
`00:24.10`	`ekcolnovkol`	`no?`
`00:24.10`	`ekcolnovkol`	`:o`
`00:24.15`	`Jcup`	`Used missiles`
`00:24.21`	`Jcup`	`a create persistant`
`00:24.22`	`Zironic`	`god that's awesome`
`00:24.25`	`Jcup`	`a issueorder`
`00:24.31`	`onetwo`	`wander behavior?`
`00:24.36`	`Jcup`	`nope`
`00:24.38`	`onetwo`	`ah`
`00:24.39`	`Alpha_vst`	`LIES`
`00:24.46`	`onetwo`	`http://forums.sc2mapster.com/development/map-development/3426-passive-aura-ability/#p1`
`00:24.49`	`Jcup`	`The behavior uses a periodic issue order`
`00:24.50`	`onetwo`	`can anyone solve my dilemma`
`00:24.51`	`onetwo`	`with auras`
`00:24.57`	`Jcup`	`along with a create persistent`
`00:25.15`	`ekcolnovkol`	`you know what`
`00:25.18`	`ekcolnovkol`	`i'm going to make a spell`
`00:25.26`	`Alpha_vst`	`that makes a spell`
`00:25.28`	`Alpha_vst`	`DO IT`
`00:25.30`	`casperb`	`Jcup: Atleast not lacking in flashyness`
`00:25.35`	`Jcup`	`Yay :)`
`00:25.36`	`Jcup`	`lol`
`00:25.49`	`ekcolnovkol`	`oh lord`
`00:25.51`	`Jcup`	`I have plans for more :D`
`00:25.52`	`ekcolnovkol`	`this is going to be sickkkk`
`00:26.12`	`Jcup`	`I just need somebody to accept my project or w.e`
`00:26.13`	`ekcolnovkol`	`you will be liek`
`00:26.13`	`ekcolnovkol`	`WAT`
`00:26.14`	`Alpha_vst`	`i dont have any spells i need some though`
`00:26.16`	`payne`	`jcup, it makes no sense that a Mech unit goes crazy ;o`
`00:26.24`	`Alpha_vst`	`why does it have to`
`00:26.28`	`Alpha_vst`	`its burning`
`00:26.34`	`Alpha_vst`	`wouldnt you freak the fuck out`
`00:26.39`	`Jcup`	`lol id freak out if my plan was on fire!`
`00:26.39`	`Alpha_vst`	`yeah i know you would`
`00:26.40`	`payne`	`no in an helicopter`
`00:26.42`	`Jcup`	`haha`
`00:26.45`	`payne`	`i wouldnt start to fuck around like a mofo`
`00:26.55`	`payne`	`i'd actualy try to land in a very linear way`
`00:26.55`	`payne`	`XD`
`00:27.00`	`ekcolnovkol`	`actually`
`00:27.00`	`Jcup`	`Dude if my helicopter was on fire id doo some barrel rolls`
`00:27.06`	`ekcolnovkol`	`the guys doing FF have ALOT of spells`
`00:27.07`	`payne`	`lol`
`00:27.09`	`ekcolnovkol`	`like`
`00:27.10`	`ekcolnovkol`	`really`
`00:27.12`	`ekcolnovkol`	`shittons`
`00:27.17`	`Alpha_vst`	`FF?`
`00:27.20`	`ekcolnovkol`	`final fantasy`
`00:27.22`	`Zironic`	`onetwo, isn't reaver jump a passive ability that shows up on the command card?`
`00:27.23`	`Alpha_vst`	`oh`
`00:27.40`	`onetwo`	`yeah thats fine`
`00:27.42`	`onetwo`	`BUT`
`00:27.51`	`onetwo`	`reaper jump isnt an ability learned through "Learn"`
`00:27.53`	`onetwo`	`ability`
`00:27.57`	`onetwo`	`which cant take behaviors`
`00:28.00`	`onetwo`	`like reaper jump`
`00:28.08`	`onetwo`	`i think reaper jump is a behavior`
`00:28.09`	`onetwo`	`not an ability`
`00:28.22`	`ekcolnovkol`	`Jcup`
`00:28.27`	`ekcolnovkol`	`did you replace broodlings with lights`
`00:28.27`	`Jcup`	`yush`
`00:28.30`	`ekcolnovkol`	`:o`
`00:28.36`	`Jcup`	`Dude i made it from scratch lol`
`00:28.45`	`Jcup`	`U can dl the map once they approve it`
`00:28.46`	`Jcup`	`:D`
`00:28.51`	`ekcolnovkol`	`:( lemme dl it nao`
`00:28.59`	`ekcolnovkol`	`i just want to learn <3`
`00:29.56`	`Jcup`	`lol`
`00:30.01`	`ekcolnovkol`	`i do :(`
`00:30.05`	`onetwo`	`hands it in under my name`
`00:30.10`	`Alpha_vst`	`my package is in SSF`
`00:30.11`	`Alpha_vst`	`WOOT`
`00:30.18`	`ekcolnovkol`	`pff you can all protest my submission if i do anyway`
`00:30.19`	`ekcolnovkol`	`;/`
`00:30.58`	`Zironic`	`I wonder why it can't take behaviors.`
`00:31.05`	`*** join/#sc2mapster Razernok (~cvdsaf@adsl-66-140-56-227.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net)`
`00:31.06`	`Alpha_vst`	`what cant`
`00:31.23`	`Zironic`	`"learn"`
`00:32.37`	`ekcolnovkol`	`he ate my heart`
`00:32.42`	`Alpha_vst`	`lol`
`00:32.45`	`ekcolnovkol`	`HE A-A-A-A-ATE MY HEART`
`00:32.52`	`Alpha_vst`	`because you have to give behaviors`
`00:33.13`	`Jcup`	`http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/infernal-ignite-sc2mapster-spell/`
`00:33.17`	`Jcup`	`:D`
`00:33.20`	`ekcolnovkol`	`YES`
`00:33.41`	`ekcolnovkol`	`saved and opened`
`00:33.44`	`Jcup`	`Ur welcomed lol`
`00:33.48`	`ekcolnovkol`	`<3`
`00:33.49`	`Jcup`	`welcome*`
`00:33.56`	`ekcolnovkol`	`that goes without say ;D`
`00:34.07`	`ekcolnovkol`	`that is one huge stalker`
`00:34.16`	`Jcup`	`:3 it had to be epic`
`00:34.30`	`ekcolnovkol`	`how about an ultralisk that boomerangs his claws`
`00:34.32`	`ekcolnovkol`	`:U`
`00:34.43`	`ekcolnovkol`	`holy tits`
`00:34.47`	`ekcolnovkol`	`your triggers are empty`
`00:34.50`	`ekcolnovkol`	`i must see this`
`00:34.54`	`Jcup`	`Yup noo triggers`
`00:34.56`	`Jcup`	`:3`
`00:35.02`	`ekcolnovkol`	`the pro way`
`00:35.19`	`ekcolnovkol`	`i made a chargeslash in the db`
`00:35.20`	`ekcolnovkol`	`;D`
`00:35.31`	`Jcup`	`haha nice`
`00:35.40`	`ekcolnovkol`	`super easy`
`00:35.44`	`finlay`	`is there a way to have a something trigger when a unit arrives at ANY point?`
`00:35.55`	`ekcolnovkol`	`just reduce collision to 0 and damage/freeze everything within a radius`
`00:35.58`	`finlay`	`similar to how you have something when any timer goes off`
`00:36.14`	`Jcup`	`Okay guys im off to work :D`
`00:36.17`	`Jcup`	`Cyaaaa`
`00:36.19`	`ekcolnovkol`	`peace`
`00:36.26`	`Zironic`	`I wonder how much easier mapping will be once they release the campaign and we can steal all their hero mechanics and campaign triggers.`
`00:36.28`	`finlay`	`or at least you can use a variable for timers`
`00:36.48`	`ekcolnovkol`	`you already can`
`00:36.48`	`ekcolnovkol`	`:o`
`00:37.03`	`Zironic`	`on the subject of auras, does the mothership cloak show up on the command card? checks`
`00:37.38`	`onetwo`	`yeah Zironic`
`00:37.40`	`*** join/#sc2mapster Phaos (cba0745e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.160.116.94)`
`00:37.41`	`onetwo`	`to the campaign note`
`00:37.47`	`onetwo`	`the mothership cloak let me see`
`00:38.29`	`Zironic`	`hmm, that's yet again just a behavior`
`00:38.37`	`Vulfe`	`it doesn't show up on command card`
`00:38.37`	`onetwo`	`yeah :/`
`00:38.48`	`Vulfe`	`what is your problem zir`
`00:38.53`	`ekcolnovkol`	`woot, my map is 2 steps away from release ;D`
`00:39.05`	`onetwo`	`not his`
`00:39.05`	`onetwo`	`http://forums.sc2mapster.com/development/map-development/3426-passive-aura-ability/#p1`
`00:39.06`	`onetwo`	`mine`
`00:39.07`	`Zironic`	`I'm trying to help onetwo find a way to make his aura non-toggle`
`00:39.18`	`Vulfe`	`non-toggle?`
`00:39.19`	`Vulfe`	`wut`
`00:39.23`	`ekcolnovkol`	`use cloaking field`
`00:39.28`	`ekcolnovkol`	`and rework it's behaviours`
`00:39.29`	`ekcolnovkol`	`ez`
`00:39.31`	`ekcolnovkol`	`o.o`
`00:39.31`	`Zironic`	`btw, what happens if you just remove the toggle flag?`
`00:39.50`	`ekcolnovkol`	`then you don't have the decloak/cancel option`
`00:39.55`	`ekcolnovkol`	`:o`
`00:40.47`	`onetwo`	`heres the issue`
`00:40.54`	`onetwo`	`you can only display passive buttons for behaviors`
`00:40.56`	`onetwo`	`on the command card`
`00:40.58`	`Vulfe`	`hmm`
`00:41.06`	`onetwo`	`but aura abilities that are learnable through a hero's learn ability`
`00:41.06`	`Vulfe`	`can't you just make an ability that doesn't do anything`
`00:41.07`	`Vulfe`	`lol`
`00:41.11`	`onetwo`	`cant be behaviors straight up`
`00:41.24`	`Vulfe`	`you can make an ability and then...`
`00:41.25`	`Vulfe`	`dammit.`
`00:41.27`	`ekcolnovkol`	`yes you can`
`00:41.28`	`onetwo`	`lol`
`00:41.30`	`ekcolnovkol`	`triggers`
`00:41.31`	`onetwo`	`i covered every base`
`00:41.33`	`onetwo`	`in my post`
`00:41.34`	`onetwo`	`if you read it`
`00:41.36`	`Vulfe`	`read it.`
`00:41.37`	`onetwo`	`you should be stumped`
`00:41.41`	`onetwo`	`unless you have a brilliant solution`
`00:41.42`	`onetwo`	`from left field`
`00:41.43`	`onetwo`	`lol`
`00:42.16`	`Pandepic`	`hey onetwo`
`00:42.20`	`onetwo`	`?`
`00:42.48`	`*** join/#sc2mapster FireryRage (~FireryRag@CPE001b2476d3e9-CM00159a07499a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com)`
`00:42.52`	`Vulfe`	`how does the Learn ability work, onetwo`
`00:43.08`	`onetwo`	`well ill explain it here`
`00:43.14`	`onetwo`	`but on my youtube page i explain it better and show it`
`00:43.16`	`onetwo`	`but anyway`
`00:43.18`	`Vulfe`	`ah`
`00:43.23`	`onetwo`	`it can have abilities`
`00:43.26`	`onetwo`	`that you can set the count`
`00:43.27`	`onetwo`	`etc`
`00:43.30`	`onetwo`	`and it takes care of the points`
`00:43.32`	`onetwo`	`and learning`
`00:43.34`	`onetwo`	`and allowing of spells`
`00:43.47`	`onetwo`	`so if i give my command card Charge.. it wont show until hero has learned charge`
`00:43.54`	`Vulfe`	`yeah.`
`00:43.55`	`onetwo`	`as long as the hero has the learn ability and has learned charge`
`00:43.57`	`Vulfe`	`i understand that`
`00:43.58`	`onetwo`	`so thats great`
`00:44.11`	`onetwo`	`but it wont take Behaviors`
`00:44.13`	`onetwo`	`only abilities`
`00:44.19`	`ekcolnovkol`	`link your video`
`00:44.22`	`onetwo`	`and the ability of basetype Behavior (which exists btw)`
`00:44.28`	`onetwo`	`seems to be click only`
`00:44.30`	`onetwo`	`:/`
`00:44.37`	`Vulfe`	`that's dumb`
`00:44.38`	`Vulfe`	`lol`
`00:44.42`	`onetwo`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1et41pqbJsM`
`00:44.48`	`onetwo`	`maybe we just arent thinking about it right`
`00:44.49`	`onetwo`	`i dont know`
`00:44.58`	`Vulfe`	`is there a way to add the learning of an ability as an event`
`00:45.03`	`Vulfe`	`because that might solve your problem`
`00:45.09`	`Zironic`	`What happens if you don't make it a toggle? does it then just activate when you click it?`
`00:45.14`	`onetwo`	`thats fine`
`00:45.15`	`onetwo`	`but you cant see it`
`00:45.21`	`onetwo`	`the command card atleast`
`00:45.40`	`onetwo`	`i think it doesnt auto activate`
`00:45.41`	`Zironic`	`that's just wierd o.O`
`00:45.43`	`onetwo`	`unless you set toggled on`
`00:45.47`	`onetwo`	`flag`
`00:46.38`	`Vulfe`	`you could make a dummy ability that, when learned, satisfies the condition for a validator on an ability`
`00:46.42`	`Vulfe`	`behavior*`
`00:46.47`	`Vulfe`	`validator on a behavior`
`00:46.56`	`Alpha_vst`	`lol`
`00:46.56`	`onetwo`	`yeah thats what i was hoping to avoid`
`00:46.59`	`onetwo`	`doing it custom like that`
`00:47.02`	`onetwo`	`and placing fake buttons on CC`
`00:47.05`	`Vulfe`	`idk if there's any other way : (`
`00:47.24`	`onetwo`	`: (`
`00:47.25`	`Alpha_vst`	`THIS BUG SUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!`
`00:47.27`	`onetwo`	`guess ill wait till editor patch`
`00:47.28`	`Alpha_vst`	`SUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!`
`00:47.30`	`Zironic`	`Zealot -charge is an passive ability that shows up on the card, however it's an augment`
`00:47.31`	`onetwo`	`or seeing campaign heroes`
`00:47.36`	`onetwo`	`yeah`
`00:47.45`	`onetwo`	`augments are bugged though because`
`00:47.47`	`onetwo`	`they cant have levels`
`00:47.49`	`onetwo`	`more than 1 rank`
`00:47.53`	`onetwo`	`all other abilities can`
`00:47.57`	`onetwo`	`just not augment atm`
`00:47.59`	`Vulfe`	`laaame.`
`00:48.00`	`Vulfe`	`they don't do anything except what is needed for charge either`
`00:48.05`	`onetwo`	`:(`
`00:48.11`	`Pandepic`	`what does augment do?`
`00:48.22`	`Vulfe`	`Charge.`
`00:48.26`	`Vulfe`	`lol`
`00:48.27`	`Zironic`	`augment activates when you use another ability`
`00:48.43`	`Alpha_vst`	`how does that work`
`00:48.52`	`Pandepic`	`charge activates when you use another ability?`
`00:48.57`	`Alpha_vst`	`so when you use attack it uses charge`
`00:48.58`	`Alpha_vst`	`?`
`00:49.00`	`Zironic`	`ye, it actives from attack`
`00:49.00`	`Vulfe`	`kind of cool that they have health fractions as preset validators... <3 blizz`
`00:49.05`	`Pandepic`	`oh I see`
`00:49.29`	`Glynn`	`it's an effect set, with one of the effects having a requirement`
`00:50.14`	`Pandepic`	`the invisibility effect on cloaking kinda sucks`
`00:50.24`	`Pandepic`	`it's way too easy to see invisible units`
`00:50.27`	`Vulfe`	`I wonder what the "ZergBleedProfusely" validator does`
`00:50.28`	`onetwo`	`yeah`
`00:50.49`	`Zironic`	`in theory you should easily be able to modify charge to drop psi storms every time you give a move order, i should try that out :P`
`00:50.49`	`Vulfe`	`the point is that you can't attack them`
`00:50.53`	`Vulfe`	`but yeah`
`00:50.57`	`Pandepic`	`but you can do other things to them`
`00:50.59`	`Pandepic`	`like forcefield them`
`00:51.18`	`Pandepic`	`or just run away =P`
`00:51.27`	`Vulfe`	`and nuke them.`
`00:51.35`	`Vulfe`	`lol`
`00:51.37`	`Pandepic`	`hah`
`00:51.40`	`Vulfe`	`although that takes awhile`
`00:51.43`	`Vulfe`	`true`
`00:51.53`	`Vulfe`	`where does the nuke go when the ghost cancels it before it hits`
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`00:51.59`	`Vulfe`	`orbit?`
`00:52.03`	`Vulfe`	`lol`
`00:52.10`	`Pandepic`	`back home to it's family`
`00:52.13`	`Pandepic`	`to live another day`
`00:52.36`	`Pandepic`	`it is kinda silly though`
`00:52.41`	`Pandepic`	`it should launch after the targetting is done`
`00:52.49`	`Vulfe`	`it's a nuke, not a bunny`
`00:52.59`	`Pandepic`	`bunnies and nukes have a lot in common Vulfe`
`00:53.01`	`Pandepic`	`duh`
`00:53.17`	`Zironic`	`i think it's more of a gameplay thing then meant to make sense`
`00:53.21`	`Vulfe`	`if it launched when the targeting was done, everyone would wonder how ti got there so fast`
`00:53.27`	`Pandepic`	`it's a missile =P`
`00:53.29`	`Pandepic`	`they are fast`
`00:53.34`	`Vulfe`	`it gets shot straight up`
`00:53.37`	`Vulfe`	`out of the silo`
`00:53.57`	`Vulfe`	`I think that if you cancel it, it should hit a random point on the map`
`00:54.01`	`Vulfe`	`because that would be hilarious`
`00:54.03`	`Pandepic`	`lol`
`00:54.08`	`Pandepic`	`especially if it hits your base`
`00:54.11`	`Zironic`	`"Shit, I nuked my own base,again!"`
`00:54.16`	`Vulfe`	`basically`
`00:54.26`	`Vulfe`	`blow up an expo you didn't know about`
`00:54.30`	`Vulfe`	`etc.`
`00:54.40`	`Pandepic`	`lol`
`00:54.42`	`Pandepic`	`hax`
`00:54.54`	`Vulfe`	`i played a 2v2 with my friend`
`00:55.03`	`Vulfe`	`against my friend, I should say`
`00:55.06`	`Vulfe`	`he had like 4 bases`
`00:55.14`	`Vulfe`	`and when I nuked, he was checking which one I nuked`
`00:55.25`	`Vulfe`	`not his base`
`00:55.27`	`Vulfe`	`Lol.`
`00:55.28`	`Vulfe`	`Unfortunately, it was his massive army I was nuking`
`00:56.05`	`Vulfe`	`65 kills ghost`
`00:57.43`	`Vulfe`	`jesus, not another text about JRPGs`
`00:57.47`	`Vulfe`	`stopppp`
`00:58.12`	`Phaos`	`eh ?`
`00:58.14`	`onetwo`	`jamaican rpgs?`
`00:58.25`	`Phaos`	`japanese rpgs`
`00:58.28`	`Vulfe`	`My friend is currently obsessed with Kingdom Hearts 2`
`00:58.30`	`Vulfe`	`don't ask why`
`00:58.42`	`Vulfe`	`he beat the game, and now he's power-leveling to fight Sephiroth`
`00:59.06`	`Vulfe`	`the first one`
`00:59.06`	`Vulfe`	`yes`
`00:59.19`	`Vulfe`	`idk how jamaican rpgs are`
`00:59.21`	`Vulfe`	`probably either nonexistant or cool`
`00:59.34`	`Phaos`	`oh lawdy, nah there are MANY kingdom hearts 2 fan boys and girls -_- all i have to say about that is, they are obsessed with a universe where sephiroth is rampaging and mikey mouse is king of the universe`
`00:59.40`	`Vulfe`	`or really involved in marijuana`
`01:00.04`	`Phaos`	`and people hit other people with giant keys`
`01:00.57`	`onetwo`	`someone should just make a hilarious map for the sake of being funny`
`01:00.59`	`onetwo`	`like make it REALLY good`
`01:01.02`	`onetwo`	`and polished`
`01:01.09`	`onetwo`	`but then the content is like jamaican rpg`
`01:01.13`	`onetwo`	`"get high " ability`
`01:01.17`	`ekcolnovkol`	`anyone know why icons don't show up on the leaderboard`
`01:01.18`	`ekcolnovkol`	`:(`
`01:01.56`	`Phaos`	`leaderboards are a engima wrapped in a paradox, there are many tutorials because of this`
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`01:03.14`	`Alpha_vst`	`lol`
`01:03.23`	`Vulfe_`	`Time to wait for my doppelganger to time out`
`01:03.37`	`Alpha_vst`	`at least your not fixing this bug`
`01:03.46`	`Vulfe_`	`Does anyone have any cool ideas for behaviors that would be useful on a constantly moving unit?`
`01:03.47`	`Alpha_vst`	`it doesnt make sense`
`01:03.59`	`onetwo`	`poop creep`
`01:04.01`	`onetwo`	`poop mine`
`01:04.04`	`onetwo`	`poop in general`
`01:04.05`	`onetwo`	`immolate`
`01:04.14`	`Vulfe_`	`hmm`
`01:04.15`	`Alpha_vst`	`sex the screen`
`01:04.20`	`onetwo`	`sex in general`
`01:04.22`	`Phaos`	`they build up static charge as they move, so if they move a certain distance it eventually pops dealing damage in a burst ?`
`01:04.39`	`Vulfe_`	`tbh`
`01:04.41`	`Vulfe_`	`i'm thinking mainly of a projectile`
`01:04.42`	`onetwo`	`how about if it moves back and forth between a narrow cliff passage`
`01:04.44`	`onetwo`	`it'll eventually pop`
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`01:05.06`	`Vulfe_`	`onetwo, isn't that a little uncomfortably specific?`
`01:05.31`	`onetwo`	`well, your name is already half of a female organ`
`01:05.40`	`onetwo`	`so lets call it even`
`01:05.56`	`Vulfe_`	`three fifths`
`01:05.56`	`Vulfe_`	`and that's unfair.`
`01:06.20`	`Phaos`	`lol sex`
`01:06.32`	`Vulfe_`	`it is rather funny, is it not?`
`01:06.40`	`Vulfe_`	`inb4 zerg mating game`
`01:06.51`	`onetwo`	`spine crawlers and spore crawlers`
`01:06.59`	`onetwo`	`there was a video of spine crawlers attacking spore crawlers`
`01:07.01`	`onetwo`	`was so funny`
`01:07.05`	`onetwo`	`bliizz took down the post`
`01:07.08`	`Vulfe_`	`lol....`
`01:07.24`	`Vulfe_`	`that's so badd`
`01:07.32`	`Alpha_vst`	`lol`
`01:07.34`	`Alpha_vst`	`i saw that`
`01:07.36`	`Alpha_vst`	`awesome`
`01:07.38`	`onetwo`	`haha`
`01:09.04`	`Alpha_vst`	`I FIXED ONE ISSUE`
`01:09.06`	`Alpha_vst`	`WOOT`
`01:09.17`	`Alpha_vst`	`idono if it fixed the other`
`01:09.20`	`Alpha_vst`	`need more testing`
`01:09.42`	`Alpha_vst`	`and by testing i mean restarting the game about 50 times`
`01:09.44`	`Alpha_vst`	`GAH`
`01:10.35`	`Pandepic`	`lol`
`01:10.48`	`Pandepic`	`don't you just love testing 1/100 bugs`
`01:11.04`	`Pandepic`	`and you think it's fixed because it doesn't happen 50 times`
`01:11.40`	`Alpha_vst`	`yeah`
`01:11.40`	`Pandepic`	`then next time you test with someone else it happens`
`01:11.40`	`Alpha_vst`	`at least it came up again sadly`
`01:11.40`	`Alpha_vst`	`lol`
`01:11.56`	`Phaos`	`ghost bugs ! woooo`
`01:12.01`	`Phaos`	`check your vars`
`01:12.06`	`Phaos`	`ALWAYS check your vars`
`01:12.13`	`Pandepic`	`check your Phaos`
`01:12.16`	`Pandepic`	`always check your Phaos`
`01:12.16`	`onetwo`	`ghost bugs, not to be confused with ghost poop`
`01:12.17`	`onetwo`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xV--gIaYxGI`
`01:12.20`	`Phaos`	`;_;`
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`01:12.49`	`Phaos`	`I don't need checking! I'm a big boy now :(`
`01:12.49`	`Vulfe_`	`oh right, stealing neighbor's internet, video bad idea`
`01:12.57`	`Vulfe_`	`: (`
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`01:13.07`	`onetwo`	`yeah the video is the bad idea... not the stealing thing`
`01:13.07`	`onetwo`	`lol`
`01:13.11`	`Alpha_vst`	`lol`
`01:13.22`	`Vulfe`	`neighbor in this case = best friend`
`01:13.24`	`Alpha_vst`	`i watched that the other day`
`01:16.57`	`Alpha_vst`	`im pinpointing the error`
`01:17.06`	`Phaos`	`I am not quite sure what I just watched. maybe it was a home video ?`
`01:17.06`	`Alpha_vst`	`i jsut dont know why it happens randomly yet`
`01:22.16`	`Alpha_vst`	`FRUSTRATION!!!!!!!!!`
`01:23.36`	`Vulfe`	`what is it that frustrates you`
`01:23.39`	`Vulfe`	`ALPHA_VST`
`01:23.50`	`Alpha_vst`	`you wanna see`
`01:24.30`	`Alpha_vst`	`http://pastebin.com/64KKP4jd`
`01:24.32`	`Vulfe`	`that depends`
`01:24.40`	`Alpha_vst`	`that frustrates me :P`
`01:24.47`	`ekcolnovkol`	`has anyone figured out how to retain levels on death yet?`
`01:24.51`	`ekcolnovkol`	`i am still raging on this`
`01:25.02`	`Pandepic`	`you lose levels on death?`
`01:25.05`	`ekcolnovkol`	`yeah`
`01:25.14`	`ekcolnovkol`	`i thought this was obvious o.O`
`01:25.26`	`AsaPhelps`	`how do you respawn your hero?`
`01:25.26`	`Pandepic`	`I haven't done stuff with levels yet`
`01:25.39`	`ekcolnovkol`	`you can't`
`01:25.40`	`Pandepic`	`I don't think you should lose them though`
`01:25.43`	`ekcolnovkol`	`the hero dies and never comes back`
`01:25.46`	`Vulfe`	`that's pretty much a tl;dr, alpha_vst`
`01:25.57`	`Alpha_vst`	`yeah but its my trigger`
`01:26.01`	`Pandepic`	`I think you can respawn a unit`
`01:26.04`	`Alpha_vst`	`and it have to fix it`
`01:26.08`	`ekcolnovkol`	`i'd love to...`
`01:27.09`	`Alpha_vst`	`so if you wanna be nice you can look for any errors but im sure you wont find any`
`01:27.11`	`Alpha_vst`	`lol`
`01:27.27`	`onetwo`	`afk`
`01:30.34`	`Spoofed`	`how can I make a skill usuable even with animation cool down?`
`01:30.38`	`Phaos`	`does anyone have an issue with the "temple column walls" doodad, changing color on you after you have already placed it ?`
`01:30.43`	`Spoofed`	`so I want to use a skill`
`01:30.45`	`Spoofed`	`then istantly again`
`01:30.51`	`Spoofed`	`even if the animation isn't done`
`01:30.54`	`Spoofed`	`well not isntantly`
`01:30.55`	`Alpha_vst`	`yes it does that`
`01:31.01`	`Spoofed`	`ideally there should be a timer?`
`01:31.04`	`Alpha_vst`	`Phaos someone had that issue before`
`01:31.27`	`Phaos`	`is there a known solve? or is it just a problem ?`
`01:31.36`	`Alpha_vst`	`i dont think so`
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`01:32.38`	`Phaos`	`guess it will just have to stay bugged until release`
`01:32.49`	`Alpha_vst`	`i think for some reason this trigger is some how selecting a point even when it shouldnt`
`01:32.50`	`Spoofed`	`So anyone know?`
`01:32.54`	`Spoofed`	`I used to know what it was`
`01:32.59`	`redmarine`	`Anyone knows how I can retrieve a custom value from a unit?`
`01:33.01`	`Spoofed`	`but now with the gui change I can't find it`
`01:33.13`	`Alpha_vst`	`no idea Spoofed`
`01:33.16`	`Spoofed`	`redmarine: you mean like hp?`
`01:33.19`	`redmarine`	`Like set i = (custom value of unit)?`
`01:33.33`	`Spoofed`	`well what kind of value?`
`01:33.36`	`redmarine`	`integer`
`01:33.39`	`Glynn`	`alpha.. pretty sure you need BOTH conditions under the AND, instead of just one`
`01:33.45`	`Glynn`	`right now it's an OR`
`01:33.47`	`Spoofed`	`cause you can get things like energy, hp, and sheild levels`
`01:33.51`	`Spoofed`	`using triggers`
`01:34.04`	`redmarine`	`Well, I mean custom values not stats`
`01:34.14`	`Spoofed`	`like what?`
`01:34.20`	`Spoofed`	`an example would help`
`01:34.30`	`redmarine`	`<PROTECTED>`
`01:34.34`	`Glynn`	`nvm, default is AND`
`01:34.47`	`redmarine`	`I'd like to set i = custom value`
`01:34.52`	`Alpha_vst`	`FUCK THIS IM REDOING THIS TRIGGER :D`
`01:34.58`	`redmarine`	`of a unit without making some insane loop`
`01:35.02`	`Spoofed`	`Do what alpha did`
`01:35.19`	`Alpha_vst`	`what did i do?`
`01:35.28`	`Spoofed`	`<Alpha_vst> FUCK THIS IM REDOING THIS TRIGGER :D`
`01:35.35`	`redmarine`	`Well, not an option`
`01:35.37`	`redmarine`	`I need a reference`
`01:35.51`	`redmarine`	`Don't know any other method than using custom values`
`01:36.01`	`Alpha_vst`	`Glynn what is an or... i dont see it`
`01:36.01`	`Spoofed`	`woot`
`01:36.10`	`Spoofed`	`got my data editor only ammo system done`
`01:36.15`	`Spoofed`	`WOOOO!`
`01:36.23`	`Spoofed`	`No I need to do the trigger version`
`01:36.25`	`Spoofed`	`and make the tut`
`01:36.27`	`Spoofed`	`>.>`
`01:36.34`	`Glynn`	`just.. you don't need the AND in your conditions.. you can have both together`
`01:36.37`	`redmarine`	`ammo system is easily made via triggers`
`01:36.41`	`Spoofed`	`yeah`
`01:36.42`	`Helral`	`<PROTECTED>`
`01:36.45`	`Spoofed`	`well mine is only data editor`
`01:36.47`	`Alpha_vst`	`what`
`01:36.50`	`Spoofed`	`so its unit specific`
`01:36.56`	`redmarine`	`Helral, oh right thanks`
`01:37.00`	`Spoofed`	`and can be used in multiplayer games`
`01:37.05`	`Spoofed`	`with no tweaking`
`01:37.05`	`Glynn`	`take the ANDs out and just put the two conditions one under the other`
`01:37.06`	`Helral`	`Conversion Integer - real`
`01:37.15`	`Glynn`	`here, I'll change your pastebin`
`01:37.16`	`Alpha_vst`	`but then its an or`
`01:37.22`	`Alpha_vst`	`or either`
`01:37.26`	`Alpha_vst`	`or what ever`
`01:37.36`	`Glynn`	`no.. they both have to be true`
`01:37.48`	`Alpha_vst`	`then why have and?`
`01:37.50`	`Alpha_vst`	`wtf`
`01:37.53`	`redmarine`	`Helral, thanks mate.`
`01:38.13`	`Helral`	`@Alpha: to place beneath an OR statement.`
`01:38.36`	`Glynn`	`yeah for more complex conditions`
`01:38.46`	`Alpha_vst`	`but it still works...`
`01:38.58`	`Glynn`	`right cause default is AND`
`01:39.02`	`Glynn`	`but if you did:`
`01:39.05`	`Glynn`	`condition 1`
`01:39.10`	`Glynn`	`OR condition 2`
`01:39.16`	`Glynn`	`it wouldn't work`
`01:39.30`	`Glynn`	`you need to put the OR or AND first, and the conditions under it`
`01:39.57`	`Alpha_vst`	`it works fine`
`01:40.05`	`Glynn`	`do you use OR in any triggers?`
`01:40.11`	`Alpha_vst`	`yes`
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`01:40.24`	`Alpha_vst`	`but i do and or`
`01:40.35`	`Alpha_vst`	`i put or in and`
`01:40.51`	`Glynn`	`ah bother, just got a call, I gtg for now.. I'll try to explain later`
`01:40.57`	`Alpha_vst`	`lol`
`01:41.09`	`Alpha_vst`	`the condtions dont seem to be the issue though`
`01:41.18`	`Alpha_vst`	`i need to go afk also :P`
`01:42.15`	`Alpha_vst`	`its able to reselect the same postion even if its taken like my Trigger - Run ActivePoints (Check Conditions, Wait until it finishes)`
`01:42.22`	`Alpha_vst`	`isnt being waited for`
`01:43.20`	`Alpha_vst`	`im going to redo the trigger it needs it anyways`
`01:43.22`	`Alpha_vst`	`afk`
`01:46.20`	`Spoofed`	`anyone know if you can rename stats in the unit tooltip?`
`01:46.34`	`Spoofed`	`It'd make my data ammo system perfect`
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`01:55.37`	`ekcolnovkol`	`why does Zifoon have my EXACT SAME MAP`
`01:55.40`	`ekcolnovkol`	`WHAT IS THIS`
`01:56.13`	`ekcolnovkol`	`mine looks better >(`
`01:57.10`	`Helral`	`yay I've finally created my area experience data-set ;p`
`01:58.09`	`Helral`	`or should I name it my onDeathGiveExperienceToNearbyUnitsBehavior....`
`01:58.32`	`Phaos`	`you mean dharedExperience ?`
`01:58.34`	`Phaos`	`shared*`
`01:58.40`	`Helral`	`sortof ;p`
`01:58.52`	`Helral`	`the killing unit gets a bit more xp then the units near it.`
`02:00.02`	`Phaos`	`thats standard I thought :P ?`
`02:00.37`	`Helral`	`well when my unit killed a mob the other players unit didn't get xp.`
`02:01.03`	`Phaos`	`which is normal for galaxy, by standard`
`02:01.04`	`Phaos`	`I mean`
`02:01.14`	`Phaos`	`isn't it standard as far as shared xp systems go ?`
`02:01.32`	`Helral`	`hehehe try implementing it in sc2 ;p`
`02:01.43`	`Phaos`	`where the prime character gets the majority, and nearby party memebers get a percentage`
`02:02.04`	`Helral`	`well the percentage isn't always standard ;p some rpgs say 100% to all who joined the fight.`
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`02:02.50`	`Helral`	`or the amount of experience is divided amongst the players. so 1 player would get twice as much xp as 2 players.`
`02:03.23`	`Helral`	`with that I mean that solo'ing gives double xp compared to killing mobs with a partner. ;p`
`02:04.10`	`Phaos`	`right :P`
`02:07.50`	`*** join/#sc2mapster Motive_ (~motive@c-68-39-176-236.hsd1.nj.comcast.net)`
`02:12.01`	`Helral`	`hmmm I blew up the sc2mapster model in my map ;p`
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`02:15.52`	`Vulfe`	`I don't think exploding their logo is very good advertising`
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`02:18.34`	`Helral`	`;p critter-explode behavior ;p`
`02:18.45`	`onetwo`	`back`
`02:18.54`	`Helral`	`well I'm off to bed ;p`
`02:22.35`	`Epicpanda`	`alpha`
`02:22.50`	`Vulfe`	`bed`
`02:22.52`	`Vulfe`	`what's that`
`02:22.58`	`ekcolnovkol`	`yer mum's lap`
`02:22.59`	`ekcolnovkol`	`o.o`
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`02:27.12`	`latszer`	`Hey I was wondering why this action wasn't removing all units from my map...`
`02:27.13`	`latszer`	`Unit Group - Remove all units from (Any units in (Entire map) owned by player Any Player matching Excluded: Missile, Dead, Hidden, with at most Any Amount)`
`02:27.57`	`onetwo`	`cause thats not gonna work`
`02:27.59`	`onetwo`	`with Any Player`
`02:28.10`	`onetwo`	`i think youll have to do a loop`
`02:28.17`	`onetwo`	`and do it for each player`
`02:28.25`	`onetwo`	`so change any player to be picked player`
`02:28.43`	`onetwo`	`and put that action inside the action of "Player group - Pick each player in player group"`
`02:28.48`	`onetwo`	`and choose the player group to be all players`
`02:28.56`	`heysparky`	`later folks`
`02:28.59`	`*** part/#sc2mapster heysparky (~heysparky@216.40.136.42)`
`02:29.34`	`latszer`	`makes sense`
`02:33.33`	`onetwo`	`it must be so annoying for manufacturers in this country i realized`
`02:33.33`	`latszer`	`like this onetwo? http://pastebin.com/embed_js.php?i=kK3nsfFi`
`02:33.35`	`onetwo`	`(canada)`
`02:33.38`	`onetwo`	`having to put french on everything`
`02:33.42`	`onetwo`	`and hire translating team`
`02:33.44`	`onetwo`	`etc`
`02:33.59`	`onetwo`	`latszer, change player 11`
`02:34.01`	`onetwo`	`to instead be`
`02:34.07`	`onetwo`	`Function-> Picked Player`
`02:34.10`	`onetwo`	`click on the 11`
`02:34.15`	`onetwo`	`change to function radial button`
`02:34.19`	`onetwo`	`scroll down to Picked Player`
`02:34.47`	`onetwo`	`so then it will pick each player and for that picked player remove all units`
`02:34.56`	`onetwo`	`picking from all players`
`02:34.56`	`onetwo`	`:D`
`02:37.17`	`latszer`	`=/ didnt work`
`02:37.39`	`latszer`	`let me make sure the trigger is getting to the right place`
`02:38.55`	`onetwo`	`k`
`02:39.10`	`onetwo`	`as a less efficient method you could`
`02:39.12`	`onetwo`	`do`
`02:39.18`	`onetwo`	`instead of Unit Group - Remove all units...`
`02:39.20`	`onetwo`	`instead`
`02:39.28`	`onetwo`	`put a Unit Group - Pick Each unit in Unit Group`
`02:39.33`	`onetwo`	`inside the pick player`
`02:39.41`	`onetwo`	`then pick unit group to be units in region matching condition`
`02:39.45`	`onetwo`	`pick region to be entire map`
`02:40.27`	`onetwo`	`pick player to be Picked Player`
`02:40.34`	`onetwo`	`leave rest`
`02:40.43`	`onetwo`	`then INSIDE this pick each unit (which is inside the pick each player)`
`02:40.48`	`onetwo`	`do a Unit - Remove Unit`
`02:40.55`	`onetwo`	`and pick unit to be picked unit`
`02:40.59`	`onetwo`	`this HAS to work`
`02:41.04`	`onetwo`	`for sure`
`02:42.33`	`latszer`	`hold on, I forgot to copy the trigger into both places it needed to be`
`02:42.39`	`latszer`	`the first one might work`
`02:43.41`	`onetwo`	`k`
`02:46.58`	`Alpha_vst`	`<PROTECTED>`
`02:47.03`	`Alpha_vst`	`IM A MORON`
`02:47.05`	`Alpha_vst`	`I THINk`
`02:47.08`	`fatal5101`	`yep`
`02:47.11`	`Spoofed\|AFK`	`Yes you are`
`02:47.11`	`*** join/#sc2mapster Baron (~thebaron8@24.130.3.252)`
`02:47.27`	`Alpha_vst`	`i think i fixed my spawning issue`
`02:47.28`	`Alpha_vst`	`0.o`
`02:47.43`	`Spoofed`	`:O`
`02:47.55`	`Alpha_vst`	`becasue i moved a trigger to run above another one`
`02:48.11`	`onetwo`	`.`
`02:48.13`	`onetwo`	`lol`
`02:48.18`	`Alpha_vst`	`i was running the triggers in the wrong order`
`02:48.25`	`Alpha_vst`	`i have to test it`
`02:48.28`	`Alpha_vst`	`but so far`
`02:48.36`	`Atlos`	`omg all this logic is killing my braincells`
`02:48.58`	`Alpha_vst`	`Atlos...`
`02:49.09`	`Atlos`	`Alpha...`
`02:49.31`	`latszer`	`onetwo = hero`
`02:49.43`	`latszer`	`thanks man`
`02:49.46`	`onetwo`	`np`
`02:49.54`	`Alpha_vst`	`whats wrong`
`02:49.56`	`Alpha_vst`	`:(`
`02:49.57`	`onetwo`	`Atlos`
`02:50.02`	`onetwo`	`your time has come to face the truth`
`02:50.06`	`Atlos`	`:O`
`02:50.09`	`onetwo`	`sc2mapster can stand no longer`
`02:50.13`	`onetwo`	`unless you come forth`
`02:50.17`	`onetwo`	`and challenge the dragon`
`02:50.19`	`onetwo`	`aka Sixen`
`02:50.21`	`onetwo`	`to a duel`
`02:50.23`	`Atlos`	`;_;`
`02:50.25`	`Atlos`	`oh, that's it?`
`02:50.27`	`onetwo`	`no wait... a dual`
`02:50.35`	`onetwo`	`gl figuring that grammar out`
`02:50.39`	`Atlos`	`lol`
`02:50.41`	`onetwo`	`GRAMMAR`
`02:50.53`	`Atlos`	`GRAMA AMMA`
`02:51.01`	`Sixen`	`Orly?`
`02:51.04`	`Alpha_vst`	`HIT`
`02:51.04`	`Vulfe`	`respiratory disease`
`02:51.06`	`Vulfe`	`it's the smoooke`
`02:51.06`	`Sixen`	`Hai Atlos.`
`02:51.11`	`Alpha_vst`	`the dragon`
`02:51.12`	`Atlos`	`hey sixen`
`02:51.14`	`Sixen`	`And Baron! :P`
`02:51.16`	`Alpha_vst`	`ON the head`
`02:51.20`	`Vulfe`	`hello sixen`
`02:51.22`	`Vulfe`	`i don't realy know you`
`02:51.24`	`*** part/#sc2mapster Sixen (~Sixen@173-25-23-10.client.mchsi.com)`
`02:51.27`	`*** join/#sc2mapster Sixen (~Sixen@173-25-23-10.client.mchsi.com)`
`02:51.28`	`*** mode/#sc2mapster [+o Sixen] by ChanServ`
`02:51.29`	`Sixen`	`erm`
`02:51.30`	`Sixen`	`oops`
`02:51.34`	`Alpha_vst`	`OMG`
`02:51.35`	`Sixen`	`Wrong butotn :\|`
`02:51.40`	`Alpha_vst`	`i think this is actually working`
`02:51.40`	`onetwo`	`yeah ok pal`
`02:51.41`	`Vulfe`	`what an embarrasing mistake`
`02:51.42`	`onetwo`	`good one`
`02:51.44`	`onetwo`	`:D`
`02:51.48`	`Atlos`	`trying to create functions when you are half asleep doesn't seem to be working out too well`
`02:51.53`	`Vulfe`	`kind of like misspelling embarrassing`
`02:51.53`	`Alpha_vst`	`lol`
`02:52.09`	`Alpha_vst`	`or kinda of like a pickle`
`02:52.14`	`onetwo`	`it really makes you look embarrASSed`
`02:52.17`	`Sixen`	`Hehe`
`02:52.35`	`Vulfe`	`I think creating functions when you're asleep is much better than when you're half asleep`
`02:52.35`	`Alpha_vst`	`ok...`
`02:52.41`	`Vulfe`	`half of my ideas I think of when I'm asleep`
`02:52.43`	`Alpha_vst`	`ive done like 10 tests so far nothing`
`02:52.44`	`Vulfe`	`go to bed`
`02:52.50`	`Alpha_vst`	`im starting to feel stupid`
`02:52.52`	`Atlos`	`lol my mom was making a slideshow for her class on moviemaker and out of "Mrs. blahblah's 2010 class"`
`02:52.53`	`Alpha_vst`	`really stupid`
`02:52.56`	`Atlos`	`it centered right on ASS`
`02:53.07`	`Alpha_vst`	`WHEW`
`02:53.09`	`Alpha_vst`	`IT BROKE`
`02:53.10`	`Atlos`	`so of course her kids are going to point it out`
`02:53.13`	`Alpha_vst`	`thank god`
`02:53.23`	`Alpha_vst`	`why the fuck am im glad it broke`
`02:53.24`	`Alpha_vst`	`GAH`
`02:53.26`	`Atlos`	`lol`
`02:53.32`	`onetwo`	`lol`
`02:53.32`	`Atlos`	`it shows that you are human`
`02:53.42`	`Vulfe`	`what is being human anyway`
`02:53.50`	`Vulfe`	`what is it to be existentialist...`
`02:53.52`	`Alpha_vst`	`I DONT WANT IT BROKEN L*`
`02:53.54`	`Alpha_vst`	`:(`
`02:53.58`	`onetwo`	`Alpha_vst: you never have any idea what he is doing but he seems to be struggling with some sort of test all the time`
`02:54.13`	`Vulfe`	`I think he's just uncomfortably self-conscious`
`02:55.15`	`Alpha_vst`	`0.o`
`02:56.51`	`Spoofed`	`I have no isparation to finish my tutorial`
`02:56.52`	`Spoofed`	`>.>`
`02:56.56`	`Spoofed`	`ugh`
`02:57.08`	`onetwo`	`you better finish it`
`02:57.13`	`onetwo`	`or youre kicked`
`02:57.14`	`onetwo`	`from life`
`02:57.24`	`Spoofed`	`you can't kick me!`
`02:57.27`	`Spoofed`	`my name is spoofed`
`02:57.30`	`Spoofed`	`so haha!`
`02:57.37`	`onetwo`	`yeah and pretty soon you'll be POOFED gone`
`02:57.45`	`onetwo`	`thanks guys its been great`
`02:57.49`	`onetwo`	`leaves stage`
`02:58.01`	`Spoofed`	`Elvis has left the building!`
`02:58.27`	`Spoofed`	`anyone know if its possible to change the stat labels`
`02:58.37`	`Spoofed`	`for unit toolpopups?`
`02:58.46`	`Spoofed`	`I want to change energy to ammo`
`02:59.17`	`onetwo`	`check text editor`
`02:59.22`	`Spoofed`	`I did`
`02:59.22`	`onetwo`	`look under UI category`
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`02:59.27`	`onetwo`	`thats how i changed minerals`
`02:59.28`	`onetwo`	`and vespene`
`02:59.30`	`Motive`	`Oh noes, there's two of me.`
`02:59.34`	`Motive_`	`:O`
`02:59.41`	`onetwo`	`which one is the real one`
`02:59.43`	`Motive`	`both`
`02:59.44`	`onetwo`	`i dont know who to shoot`
`02:59.47`	`Sixen`	`Hrm?`
`02:59.48`	`onetwo`	`WRONG ANSWER`
`02:59.49`	`onetwo`	`BOOM`
`02:59.51`	`Motive`	`one is my MacBook pro, the other is my Mac Mini`
`02:59.51`	`Motive`	`xD`
`02:59.53`	`Sixen`	`:P`
`03:00.01`	`Atlos`	`I hate how much time you have to invest in one little feature to save the player of your game one second of their time`
`03:00.02`	`Sixen`	`lol onetwo`
`03:00.12`	`onetwo`	`Atlos thats so true though`
`03:00.17`	`Atlos`	`I'm coding the weapon equip system for my map and I have 5 scenarios to account for`
`03:00.27`	`onetwo`	`like blizzard spent 7 years on features that players dont even notice`
`03:00.31`	`onetwo`	`that make bnet 2.0 smooth`
`03:00.35`	`Atlos`	`when in reality I could just not code it at all and have them take 1 more second to scroll around their inventory`
`03:00.38`	`Atlos`	`yea exactly`
`03:00.53`	`onetwo`	`thats computing though`
`03:00.58`	`onetwo`	`making things easy for people who dont get it`
`03:01.03`	`Atlos`	`like I'm making it so if you drop a weapon, it finds if you have a similar weapon and then auto equips it`
`03:01.08`	`onetwo`	`ah`
`03:01.09`	`Atlos`	`and if you don't it auto equips your default weapon`
`03:02.27`	`Spoofed`	`ARGHHHHHHHHHH`
`03:02.49`	`Spoofed`	`meh`
`03:03.00`	`Spoofed`	`as long as I can output it as a variable`
`03:03.08`	`Spoofed`	`anyone can just craft a custom UI for it`
`03:03.28`	`Alpha_vst`	`im getting pissed now`
`03:03.37`	`Alpha_vst`	`so i set a debug after every trigger`
`03:03.43`	`Alpha_vst`	`FUCK YOU GAME`
`03:04.00`	`Spoofed`	`lol`
`03:04.11`	`Alpha_vst`	`I will fix this`
`03:04.19`	`Spoofed`	`Dam its late`
`03:04.38`	`Alpha_vst`	`8pm`
`03:04.42`	`Spoofed`	`I'll make the tutorial tomorrow and hoplefuly get the trigger system version done too`
`03:04.43`	`Alpha_vst`	`grow up wimp`
`03:04.45`	`Spoofed`	`11pm`
`03:04.48`	`Spoofed`	`>.>`
`03:04.49`	`Alpha_vst`	`LIES`
`03:04.55`	`Spoofed`	`YOU LIE`
`03:05.00`	`Spoofed`	`THE CLOCK LIES`
`03:05.03`	`onetwo`	`spoofed go to bed`
`03:05.04`	`Spoofed`	`THE CAKE IS A FUCKING LIE`
`03:05.05`	`Alpha_vst`	`LIES`
`03:05.05`	`onetwo`	`alpha fix your trigger`
`03:05.09`	`Alpha_vst`	`im trying`
`03:05.17`	`Alpha_vst`	`im running my game over and over again`
`03:05.19`	`Spoofed`	`g'night`
`03:05.24`	`onetwo`	`night`
`03:05.25`	`onetwo`	`alpha`
`03:05.27`	`onetwo`	`run it harder`
`03:05.28`	`onetwo`	`and longer`
`03:05.29`	`Alpha_vst`	`i have to wait for it to break`
`03:05.34`	`onetwo`	`thanks guys its been great`
`03:05.35`	`Alpha_vst`	`lol`
`03:05.36`	`onetwo`	`gets off stage`
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`03:06.05`	`Alpha_vst`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2cYWfq--Nw`
`03:06.10`	`Alpha_vst`	`something liek that`
`03:08.50`	`Alpha_vst`	`why does it never break when i want it to`
`03:09.12`	`Alpha_vst`	`did i fix it? NO`
`03:09.15`	`Alpha_vst`	`i jsut set messages`
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`03:10.14`	`Alpha_vst`	`wow this level it made was awesome`
`03:10.32`	`Alpha_vst`	`it made a box :P`
`03:10.55`	`Alpha_vst`	`with a spawn point inside it`
`03:10.57`	`Alpha_vst`	`weeee`
`03:11.05`	`onetwo`	`anyone want to take bets`
`03:11.08`	`onetwo`	`on when Martul returns`
`03:11.12`	`onetwo`	`im guessing sunday`
`03:11.13`	`Motive`	`Hm...`
`03:11.17`	`Motive`	`when was he here last?`
`03:11.21`	`onetwo`	`and his complaint is going to be regarding data`
`03:11.24`	`onetwo`	`~seen Martul`
`03:12.00`	`purl`	`martul <~chatzilla@unaffiliated/martul> was last seen on IRC in channel #sc2mapster, 11d 2h 6m 6s ago, saying: 'and still no one'.`
`03:12.00`	`onetwo`	`~seen Razernok`
`03:12.01`	`purl`	`razernok <~cvdsaf@adsl-66-140-58-84.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 2d 20h 2m 40s ago, saying: 'btw, i didn't write it'.`
`03:12.01`	`Motive`	`oh noes :(`
`03:12.01`	`Motive`	`purl died`
`03:12.01`	`Alpha_vst`	`the bot broke`
`03:12.01`	`onetwo`	`give her time`
`03:12.01`	`onetwo`	`she'll hold`
`03:12.01`	`Motive`	`Good, free, Windows FTP client`
`03:12.01`	`onetwo`	`and Purl should be ok too`
`03:12.01`	`Motive`	`go!`
`03:12.01`	`Alpha_vst`	`i tired it yesterday and it didnt work :(`
`03:12.02`	`Motive`	`I need FTP and I'm used to my OS X one. :(`
`03:12.16`	`onetwo`	`~seen Blayzin`
`03:12.16`	`purl`	`blayzin <~chatzilla@ppp-70-243-208-38.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #sc2mapster, 19d 14m 29s ago, saying: 'I never see anyone helping a single person'.`
`03:12.20`	`onetwo`	`lets see his average period`
`03:12.21`	`onetwo`	`of return`
`03:12.26`	`onetwo`	`seems to be 8-9 days`
`03:12.33`	`Motive`	`~seen mcraider`
`03:12.34`	`purl`	`mcraider <~chatzilla@ppp-70-243-208-37.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #sc2mapster, 18d 22h 24m 42s ago, saying: 'No, because you don't share knowledge of the galaxy editor or help others'.`
`03:12.34`	`onetwo`	`between re-entry into the vag- err i mean into irc`
`03:12.49`	`Motive`	`I like how he's like a legend now`
`03:12.59`	`onetwo`	`hes a boss in my rpg`
`03:13.03`	`Motive`	`LOL!`
`03:13.05`	`Alpha_vst`	`lol`
`03:13.12`	`Motive`	`Seriously though, what's a good FTP client for Windows? Someone here has to use FTP :P`
`03:13.22`	`Motive`	`SmartFTP is beautiful but I'm not paying $30 for it.`
`03:13.34`	`Alpha_vst`	`lol`
`03:13.42`	`Alpha_vst`	`google ftp gosh`
`03:13.53`	`Motive`	`half the programs don't offer screenshots of themselves`
`03:13.55`	`Motive`	`:(`
`03:13.58`	`Sixen`	`Oh my god.`
`03:14.00`	`Alpha_vst`	`ask purl`
`03:14.03`	`Sixen`	`Why doesn't he quit?`
`03:14.05`	`Alpha_vst`	`purl knows all`
`03:14.05`	`purl`	`and don't you forget it`
`03:14.08`	`Atlos`	`Motive: FileZilla is a good FTP`
`03:14.15`	`Sixen`	`I use FireFTP`
`03:14.20`	`Sixen`	`It's a fireFox addon`
`03:14.23`	`Alpha_vst`	`yeah`
`03:14.25`	`Sixen`	`If not that, use TotalCommander`
`03:14.27`	`Motive`	`eww firefox`
`03:14.27`	`Motive`	`xD`
`03:14.33`	`Motive`	`I'll look at TotalCommander`
`03:14.36`	`Atlos`	`I don't like using addons for stuff like that, filezilla is standalone`
`03:14.46`	`Motive`	`I just don't like Firefox anymore. It's bloatware imo.`
`03:14.54`	`Atlos`	`yea I switched to chrome`
`03:14.54`	`Alpha_vst`	`?`
`03:15.04`	`Motive`	`When you can put an FTP client in your web browser, it becomes bloatware. xD`
`03:15.24`	`Alpha_vst`	`its just flexible like that`
`03:15.34`	`Alpha_vst`	`should you do it probably not`
`03:16.01`	`Alpha_vst`	`but the addon feature is very open to being anything :P`
`03:16.05`	`Motive`	`FileZilla it is I guess.`
`03:16.22`	`Alpha_vst`	`i used it for a while because it was handy`
`03:16.47`	`Motive`	`One thing I miss about OS X, they always took program design ridiculously seriously. It's hard to find an ugly OS X program.`
`03:17.08`	`onetwo`	`firefox is the rosie o donnel of software?`
`03:17.21`	`Atlos`	`lmao`
`03:17.22`	`Sixen`	`Fat Lesbian?`
`03:17.25`	`onetwo`	`thanks guys its been great`
`03:17.27`	`Atlos`	`after south park, I can't view her the same`
`03:17.28`	`onetwo`	`leaves stage`
`03:17.30`	`Motive`	`xD`
`03:17.30`	`Atlos`	`TRAPPER KEEPER`
`03:17.32`	`Alpha_vst`	`IM GETTING PISSED AT MY GAME FOR NOT BREAKING`
`03:17.35`	`Alpha_vst`	`FUCK YOU GAME`
`03:17.35`	`onetwo`	`lol`
`03:17.39`	`Sixen`	`Alpha, i'd be mad if my game worked fine too.`
`03:17.40`	`Alpha_vst`	`BREAK I COMMAND YOU`
`03:17.40`	`Sixen`	`Don't worry.`
`03:17.43`	`onetwo`	`yeah i agree about OSX`
`03:17.46`	`onetwo`	`windows is good now too`
`03:17.52`	`onetwo`	`i think linux is still ugly`
`03:17.53`	`onetwo`	`in comparison`
`03:17.56`	`Motive`	`Not really, Windows has gotten better though`
`03:17.57`	`onetwo`	`but hence its freeness`
`03:18.05`	`Alpha_vst`	`Sixen its broken but the error is random`
`03:18.05`	`Motive`	`stuff like filezilla still oozes ugly from every pore`
`03:18.06`	`Motive`	`xD`
`03:18.09`	`onetwo`	`iphone design is slick too`
`03:18.12`	`onetwo`	`i appreciate it`
`03:18.25`	`onetwo`	`its interesting how certain design can get dated`
`03:18.27`	`onetwo`	`and certain is timeless`
`03:18.31`	`Atlos`	`I never said it was the prettiest app :P`
`03:18.35`	`onetwo`	`like greek/roman architecture ALWAYS looks good`
`03:18.38`	`*** join/#sc2mapster Seyon (~chatzilla@124.40.58.162)`
`03:18.38`	`onetwo`	`throughout history`
`03:18.39`	`Atlos`	`just that it's a nice FTP :P`
`03:18.45`	`onetwo`	`but apartment buildings from 70s are UGLY`
`03:18.52`	`Motive`	`It's all about elegance in simplicity, IMO.`
`03:19.17`	`Alpha_vst`	`woot the bug but its not the one i wanted`
`03:19.21`	`Alpha_vst`	`and i thought i fixed that one`
`03:19.23`	`Alpha_vst`	`GOD`
`03:19.33`	`Alpha_vst`	`this issue is like 3 random issues`
`03:20.16`	`Motive`	`Now to figure out how to make a cronjob on my shared host... xD`
`03:20.27`	`onetwo`	`oh... cronjob`
`03:20.27`	`Alpha_vst`	`what are you doing?`
`03:20.31`	`onetwo`	`hes doing a cronjob`
`03:20.34`	`onetwo`	`dont look`
`03:20.35`	`onetwo`	`its pretty gross`
`03:20.41`	`Alpha_vst`	`not really...`
`03:20.43`	`Motive`	gotta' grab the contents of `svn log` on my svn repository and throw it in a file
`03:20.51`	`Motive`	`doing it with every page load is laggy`
`03:20.53`	`onetwo`	`yeah cronjobs.. hes grabbing and throwing`
`03:20.55`	`onetwo`	`all over his svn`
`03:20.59`	`Alpha_vst`	`lol`
`03:21.00`	`onetwo`	`its very sexual and`
`03:21.02`	`onetwo`	`physical`
`03:21.06`	`Motive`	`:O`
`03:21.09`	`Alpha_vst`	`not really`
`03:21.16`	`onetwo`	`[20:20] <Alpha_vst> not really...`
`03:21.20`	`onetwo`	`[20:21] <Alpha_vst> not really`
`03:21.23`	`Motive`	`if my host had the PECL PHP extension or whatever it is, this would be so much nicer :(`
`03:21.24`	`onetwo`	`ARE YOU MARTUL`
`03:21.26`	`onetwo`	`!?!?!?`
`03:21.28`	`Motive`	`gotta' spawn an actual process now.`
`03:21.31`	`onetwo`	`haha Motive`
`03:21.34`	`Alpha_vst`	`its a automated script that is set to run every so often`
`03:21.35`	`onetwo`	`PHP extension`
`03:21.38`	`Motive`	`err not PECL PHP extension`
`03:21.39`	`onetwo`	`theres an easy penis joke`
`03:21.41`	`Motive`	`the svn extension`
`03:21.41`	`Motive`	`xD`
`03:21.52`	`Motive`	`there's an svn_log function and it just would save me`
`03:21.55`	`Motive`	`so. much. time.`
`03:22.02`	`Alpha_vst`	`:P`
`03:22.12`	`Alpha_vst`	`bitch at your host to add it`
`03:22.14`	`Alpha_vst`	`:D`
`03:22.21`	`onetwo`	`mm all this talk on cronjobs and SVN extensions and grabbing contents`
`03:22.21`	`Motive`	`too lazy haha`
`03:22.25`	`onetwo`	`you guys`
`03:22.28`	`onetwo`	`:O`
`03:22.29`	`Motive`	`xD`
`03:22.58`	`Sixen`	`u guys don't give me any help`
`03:23.03`	`Sixen`	`i've never had any real help here before`
`03:23.06`	`Sixen`	`you're all selfish and unhelpful`
`03:23.12`	`Motive`	`yeah well`
`03:23.14`	`Motive`	`ur fat`
`03:23.15`	`Alpha_vst`	`wtf Sixen`
`03:23.15`	`Motive`	`haha!`
`03:23.22`	`Motive`	`It's the best comeback since comebacks.`
`03:23.24`	`Sixen`	`I think Alpha missed the joke.`
`03:23.25`	`Sixen`	`:\|`
`03:23.30`	`Alpha_vst`	`no i got it`
`03:23.33`	`Sixen`	`:P`
`03:23.41`	`Alpha_vst`	`you dont ask for help`
`03:23.43`	`Alpha_vst`	`:D`
`03:23.47`	`Sixen`	`sure I do`
`03:23.50`	`Sixen`	`u just dunt gieb eet`
`03:23.54`	`Sixen`	`EET.`
`03:23.58`	`onetwo`	`why is no one helping me`
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`03:24.01`	`Alpha_vst`	`lol im kidding`
`03:24.12`	`Motive`	`NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO`
`03:24.20`	`Motive`	`Filezilla can't create blank files on the remote server?`
`03:24.25`	`Motive`	`how do you miss a feature like that?`
`03:24.25`	`Motive`	`god`
`03:24.37`	`onetwo`	`no one helps...`
`03:24.54`	`Alpha_vst`	`LOL`
`03:25.36`	`Sixen`	`:P`
`03:25.49`	`Alpha_vst`	`im about to call this bug fixed`
`03:25.56`	`Alpha_vst`	`and do soemthing else till it breaks`
`03:27.24`	`Motive`	`$r = new SvnLogRetriever("/usr/bin/svn log http://svn2.assembla.com/svn/CortexDev"); $handle = fopen('content/svnlog.txt', 'w'); while($s = $r->Data()) { fputs($handle, $s); } $r->Close();`
`03:27.27`	`Motive`	`god that is ugly :D`
`03:27.40`	`Motive`	`gonna' have to parse it, too, to get it into divs and everything`
`03:27.40`	`Motive`	`ugh`
`03:27.44`	`onetwo`	`that looks uglier than rosie o donnel`
`03:27.45`	`Motive`	`thank god for sscanf`
`03:27.45`	`onetwo`	`sheesh`
`03:28.15`	`onetwo`	`as you can see im contributing nothing to constructive discussion`
`03:29.41`	`Alpha_vst`	`yeah`
`03:29.43`	`Alpha_vst`	`your a dick`
`03:30.03`	`Alpha_vst`	`a selfish one who always puts him self first`
`03:30.05`	`Motive`	`and now we wait and see if the cronjob runs`
`03:30.05`	`Motive`	`:D`
`03:30.23`	`Alpha_vst`	`to many threads`
`03:30.24`	`Motive`	`and it does, woot`
`03:30.26`	`Alpha_vst`	`WOOT`
`03:30.28`	`Alpha_vst`	`WTF IS THAT`
`03:30.36`	`Motive`	`it's a w and a t separated by two o's`
`03:31.14`	`onetwo`	`were splits implemented to make irc more dynamic and random?`
`03:31.15`	`Alpha_vst`	`to many threads<---- what is that`
`03:31.32`	`Motive`	`there aren't even threads in Galaxy`
`03:31.35`	`Motive`	`they're all lies`
`03:31.45`	`onetwo`	`did the shareholders lie to us?`
`03:31.47`	`Motive`	`yes`
`03:31.51`	`onetwo`	`fuckkkkkkkkkk`
`03:31.53`	`Alpha_vst`	`why dont you do something helpful`
`03:32.06`	`Motive`	`because we're busy raiding molten core`
`03:32.11`	`onetwo`	`afk raiding mc`
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`03:33.05`	`TheLaughingMan`	`I feel so so bad now`
`03:33.13`	`Alpha_vst`	`why`
`03:33.29`	`Motive`	`He killed a man.`
`03:33.39`	`TheLaughingMan`	`Backtrack 4 + New Apartment = Fun`
`03:33.40`	`Sixen`	`Motive, i'm almost positive we can edit UI.`
`03:33.47`	`Sixen`	`We did it before GE was released.`
`03:33.50`	`Alpha_vst`	`backtrack 4?`
`03:34.01`	`Motive`	`I think it's just a beta issue they broke w/o realizing it`
`03:34.06`	`Pandepic`	`onetwo: can I get some more opinions? =)`
`03:34.10`	`Motive`	`but we still need to bitch at 'em to fix it. xD`
`03:34.17`	`onetwo`	`sure featuring R Kelly`
`03:34.39`	`Pandepic`	`what if it isn't featuring R Kelly?`
`03:34.50`	`onetwo`	`no no im featuring R Kelly`
`03:34.53`	`Pandepic`	`oh`
`03:34.59`	`onetwo`	`you just bring the info along`
`03:35.00`	`Atlos`	`fuuuuu`
`03:35.17`	`Atlos`	`I have facebook alerts sent to my phone and I just got tagged in an epicly long message`
`03:35.22`	`Atlos`	`with like 20 people in it`
`03:35.24`	`Pandepic`	`lol`
`03:35.30`	`Atlos`	`so now EVERY time somebody replies, I get a text`
`03:35.33`	`TheLaughingMan`	`Alpha_vst, BackTrack promotes a quick and easy way to find and update the largest database of security tools collection to-date`
`03:35.34`	`Pandepic`	`that's why I never use facebook on my phone`
`03:35.42`	`Atlos`	`usually it works nicely`
`03:35.42`	`Motive`	`I used to`
`03:35.43`	`Alpha_vst`	`oh`
`03:35.44`	`Motive`	`stopped that shit fast.`
`03:35.46`	`Atlos`	`if only I could disable this`
`03:35.49`	`Motive`	`3 am texts telling me:`
`03:35.54`	`Motive`	`"Brian wrote on your wall"`
`03:35.55`	`Motive`	`No`
`03:35.57`	`Motive`	`I really don't care.`
`03:35.58`	`Motive`	`xD`
`03:35.58`	`Atlos`	`lol`
`03:36.00`	`onetwo`	`haha pandepic i like how serious you are: [20:34] <Pandepic> what if it isn't featuring R Kelly?`
`03:36.14`	`onetwo`	`like this is a serious consideration`
`03:36.16`	`onetwo`	`for you`
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`03:36.18`	`Pandepic`	`I would never joke about sc2 mapping onetwo`
`03:36.19`	`TheLaughingMan`	`I think the person below us has the default on the wireless router`
`03:36.23`	`Pandepic`	`it's a serious business`
`03:36.33`	`Alpha_vst`	`what causes a thread to be made?`
`03:36.34`	`Pandepic`	`gives a stern look`
`03:36.58`	`Alpha_vst`	`i think its my issue with this whole issue`
`03:37.11`	`Pandepic`	`does the issue you have with this issue have any issues alpha?`
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`03:37.53`	`onetwo`	`na`
`03:38.03`	`onetwo`	`there seems to be more of an issue with the issue he mentioned regarding that second issue`
`03:38.09`	`onetwo`	`its not a big issue`
`03:38.16`	`Pandepic`	`oh I see`
`03:38.19`	`RodOfNOD`	`sounds like lots of issues to me`
`03:38.22`	`RodOfNOD`	`hehe`
`03:38.27`	`RodOfNOD`	`hey pande onetwo`
`03:38.27`	`Pandepic`	`^ you confused him too much onetwo`
`03:38.29`	`Pandepic`	`he had to quit IRC`
`03:38.38`	`Pandepic`	`hey rod`
`03:38.50`	`onetwo`	`[20:37] <Alpha_vst> i think its my issue with this whole issue [20:37] <Pandepic> does the issue you have with this issue have any issues alpha? 20:38] <+onetwo> there seems to be more of an issue with the issue he mentioned regarding that second issue== Alpha_vst [~Alpha_vst@c-24-5-9-172.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit`
`03:38.52`	`onetwo`	`LOL`
`03:39.13`	`*** join/#sc2mapster Gatling (~Gatling@pD951FB14.dip.t-dialin.net)`
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`03:39.34`	`RodOfNOD`	`any of u near seattle`
`03:39.34`	`onetwo`	`vancouver`
`03:39.52`	`RodOfNOD`	`i need a week in ur house watching u code and getting up to speed`
`03:39.53`	`RodOfNOD`	`:P`
`03:40.08`	`RodOfNOD`	`RL is eating my time for another couple weeks`
`03:40.20`	`onetwo`	`what the`
`03:40.22`	`onetwo`	`whats going on`
`03:40.26`	`RodOfNOD`	`just work`
`03:40.31`	`onetwo`	`oh`
`03:40.35`	`RodOfNOD`	`just want to get up to speed`
`03:40.39`	`RodOfNOD`	`feel so far behind cuz of no time`
`03:40.43`	`RodOfNOD`	`when i do have time im tired`
`03:40.44`	`RodOfNOD`	`:P`
`03:40.47`	`onetwo`	`meh youre not far behind`
`03:40.49`	`onetwo`	`beta is down`
`03:40.52`	`onetwo`	`we're all slacking`
`03:40.59`	`RodOfNOD`	`lol no ur not`
`03:41.04`	`RodOfNOD`	`i see and read good things`
`03:41.11`	`onetwo`	`i havent made a vid tutorial in weeks`
`03:41.14`	`onetwo`	`:O`
`03:41.14`	`RodOfNOD`	`wish someone would make some documentation`
`03:41.23`	`RodOfNOD`	`things like wtf is an actor really`
`03:41.28`	`RodOfNOD`	`wtf is a behavior`
`03:41.29`	`RodOfNOD`	`etc`
`03:41.30`	`onetwo`	`lol`
`03:41.30`	`Pandepic`	`actor is`
`03:41.35`	`Pandepic`	`what does something look and sound like`
`03:41.46`	`Pandepic`	`basically that's all an actor is`
`03:41.53`	`RodOfNOD`	`so the UI?`
`03:42.05`	`Pandepic`	`yeah I think actors decide how units look in the UI as well`
`03:42.07`	`Pandepic`	`like icons and stuff`
`03:42.27`	`RodOfNOD`	`ok so i see ability, behavior and effect`
`03:42.34`	`RodOfNOD`	`what are they`
`03:42.41`	`Pandepic`	`abilities are like spells in wc3`
`03:42.41`	`RodOfNOD`	`from a wc3 perspective`
`03:42.51`	`Pandepic`	`effects are things that modify other things I think`
`03:43.07`	`onetwo`	`actors are any visual or sound representations of abilities, behaviors, and units`
`03:43.15`	`onetwo`	`abilities are things that are pressed to perform actions`
`03:43.20`	`onetwo`	`behaviors are passive abilities`
`03:43.22`	`Pandepic`	`onetwo: no need to outdo me with your fancier explanations =(`
`03:43.25`	`onetwo`	`perform actions with no even`
`03:43.26`	`onetwo`	`event`
`03:43.30`	`onetwo`	`no i think i will`
`03:43.32`	`onetwo`	`cause i entered this convo late`
`03:43.48`	`RodOfNOD`	`i will take it all so i can digest it`
`03:43.49`	`Pandepic`	`things that modify other things onetwo!`
`03:43.50`	`onetwo`	`side note:`
`03:43.53`	`Pandepic`	`no need for your fancy words`
`03:44.09`	`onetwo`	`items require a unit which require an actor`
`03:44.14`	`onetwo`	`3 objects for 1 item`
`03:44.37`	`Pandepic`	`I love this ability`
`03:44.42`	`Pandepic`	`the Rollin' Out one`
`03:44.44`	`RodOfNOD`	`so a aura would be a behavoir?`
`03:44.54`	`Pandepic`	`but I don't know if it will be really useless`
`03:45.09`	`Pandepic`	`yes rod`
`03:45.18`	`RodOfNOD`	`with no ability and maybe an effect?`
`03:45.21`	`Pandepic`	`usually behaviours are like`
`03:45.26`	`Pandepic`	`if a unit can build a building`
`03:45.28`	`Pandepic`	`or enter a bunker`
`03:45.29`	`onetwo`	`sidenote 2: a cool ability is an aura... but to do it you need a behavior that periodically searches around the hero (effect- search), then the effect for the search is (effect - behavior) so it will search around the hero for allied units, then for the ones it finds, it applies effect-behavior, and this effect applies the behavior of +armor or w/e buff you want`
`03:45.47`	`onetwo`	`so 2 behaviors`
`03:45.48`	`onetwo`	`2 effects`
`03:46.01`	`RodOfNOD`	`has someone made a tut to show how to make those?`
`03:46.06`	`onetwo`	`one behavior that runs the search effect every 0.1 sec (example)`
`03:46.10`	`onetwo`	`not really`
`03:46.15`	`RodOfNOD`	`fracken neighbor kids are driving me crazy`
`03:46.18`	`onetwo`	`well i think bifuu did`
`03:46.22`	`onetwo`	`actually`
`03:46.22`	`Pandepic`	`wait I lied, building stuff is an ability`
`03:46.32`	`Pandepic`	`throw oranges at them rod`
`03:47.17`	`RodOfNOD`	`lol pande now ur confusing me :P`
`03:47.23`	`Pandepic`	`it's what I do`
`03:47.32`	`RodOfNOD`	`nickelback - rockstar is just so damn awesome`
`03:47.42`	`Pandepic`	`the simple way I think of it is`
`03:47.45`	`Pandepic`	`ability = spell`
`03:47.51`	`Pandepic`	`behaviour = aura/passive`
`03:48.01`	`Pandepic`	`to compare it to wc3`
`03:48.15`	`RodOfNOD`	`by spell u mean targeted by user?`
`03:48.22`	`Pandepic`	`activated by user`
`03:48.35`	`RodOfNOD`	`ok so what is mineral colleciton?`
`03:48.38`	`RodOfNOD`	`god i cant type`
`03:48.40`	`onetwo`	`ability`
`03:48.44`	`onetwo`	`because the unit does it`
`03:48.46`	`onetwo`	`on autocast`
`03:48.47`	`onetwo`	`i believe`
`03:48.48`	`RodOfNOD`	`because u can target it`
`03:48.50`	`onetwo`	`I BELIEVE`
`03:48.51`	`onetwo`	`yeah`
`03:48.53`	`RodOfNOD`	`k`
`03:48.58`	`RodOfNOD`	`so effect?`
`03:49.07`	`Pandepic`	`effect is something that modifies something else`
`03:49.10`	`onetwo`	`effects are really anything`
`03:49.11`	`onetwo`	`yeah`
`03:49.18`	`RodOfNOD`	`i dont get what u mean by that`
`03:49.24`	`onetwo`	`its a means of doing actions and going between behaviors / abilities`
`03:49.24`	`Pandepic`	`like every unit with a weapon`
`03:49.26`	`Olat`	`Any one here mess with Unit Groups alot?`
`03:49.28`	`Pandepic`	`the weapon has to have a damage effect`
`03:49.32`	`Pandepic`	`to apply damage to the enemy`
`03:49.44`	`onetwo`	`for instance, if you want an ability of type Effect-target... well it needs to apply a damage`
`03:49.51`	`onetwo`	`the damage is done through Effect(Damage)`
`03:49.52`	`onetwo`	`type`
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`03:49.56`	`RodOfNOD`	`so effect isnt about visual its about what happens in the world ?`
`03:50.00`	`Pandepic`	`yeah`
`03:50.00`	`onetwo`	`yeah`
`03:50.08`	`onetwo`	`but you can apply actors that come up when effects are done`
`03:50.13`	`RodOfNOD`	`and the actual vision of the "effect" wuild be an actor?`
`03:50.14`	`onetwo`	`EG when the effect of roach damage begins`
`03:50.19`	`onetwo`	`theres an actor that makes the bile spew`
`03:50.22`	`Pandepic`	`yep the effects have their own actor`
`03:50.23`	`onetwo`	`to the target unit`
`03:50.37`	`onetwo`	`and an actor for the sound too`
`03:50.39`	`RodOfNOD`	`ok i think that really helps`
`03:50.43`	`Pandepic`	`pretty much everything has an actor lol`
`03:50.48`	`RodOfNOD`	`i hated asking cuz it seemed to be such newb questions`
`03:50.49`	`Pandepic`	`anything that looks or sounds like something`
`03:50.55`	`RodOfNOD`	`but i just wasnt getting it in my old brain`
`03:51.02`	`Pandepic`	`it's not a noob question`
`03:51.04`	`Pandepic`	`if you come from wc3`
`03:51.07`	`Olat`	`Looking to set a unit Cap on differnt types of units.. Marines, Mercs, and Hero's, but when I Create the unit then add last created to unit group. the Number of Living in UnitGroup is always off by one because you create it before you add it.. so if I wanted a cap of 20. I have to set it at 19... is there an easy way to fix this ?`
`03:51.11`	`Pandepic`	`the data editor looks weird and all over the place`
`03:51.14`	`RodOfNOD`	`so footprints are pathing right?`
`03:51.21`	`Twiner`	`I need a solution`
`03:51.23`	`Pandepic`	`no idea about footprints`
`03:51.23`	`onetwo`	`i believe so`
`03:51.25`	`Pandepic`	`I haven't used them`
`03:51.27`	`RodOfNOD`	`are their "footprints" ?`
`03:51.28`	`onetwo`	`but footprints can also prevent creep`
`03:51.31`	`onetwo`	`etc`
`03:51.41`	`onetwo`	`prevent ground`
`03:51.42`	`onetwo`	`prevent air`
`03:51.44`	`onetwo`	`prevent building`
`03:51.45`	`onetwo`	`prevent all`
`03:51.49`	`RodOfNOD`	`as in visual model footprints when units walk?`
`03:51.57`	`onetwo`	`no`
`03:52.01`	`onetwo`	`as in pathing blocker`
`03:52.02`	`RodOfNOD`	`serious?`
`03:52.03`	`Pandepic`	`I think footprints relate to collision stuff?`
`03:52.06`	`onetwo`	`yes`
`03:52.08`	`Olat`	`Footprint is the Grid space a unit takes up in the game`
`03:52.14`	`Pandepic`	`^ this`
`03:52.21`	`RodOfNOD`	`so footprints are part of the model if u want them?`
`03:52.41`	`RodOfNOD`	`u know what i mean by footprints as in the knight or demon in wc3 when it walked it left them behind it`
`03:52.53`	`Olat`	`They set how wide something is so when you take a 4x4 unit through a 2x2 passage way it doesnt fit`
`03:53.15`	`Olat`	`Footprints are not the actual FOOT leaving a print in the ground when a unit walks`
`03:53.18`	`RodOfNOD`	`thats not handled by collision ie radius i think its called`
`03:53.29`	`Pandepic`	`no idea about the visual footprints`
`03:53.40`	`Pandepic`	`I don't even know if sc2 has them since I play on low graphics`
`03:53.43`	`Olat`	`a footprint is used for Objects that are buildings like Towers in TD`
`03:53.48`	`RodOfNOD`	`well it just surprises me they call it footprints when it should be called pathing`
`03:54.07`	`RodOfNOD`	`im trying to follow blizzards logic on the name change`
`03:54.14`	`Olat`	`Its not really pathing`
`03:54.14`	`RodOfNOD`	`hehe pande`
`03:54.18`	`RodOfNOD`	`u have the laptop right?`
`03:55.30`	`RodOfNOD`	`ok then if i have a structure and i want it to take up "space" what do use to accomplish this?`
`03:55.37`	`Olat`	`Footprint`
`03:55.41`	`RodOfNOD`	`in wc3 it would have been under pathing`
`03:55.50`	`RodOfNOD`	`and thus the confusion`
`03:56.05`	`Olat`	`Ya but pathing is more about units going from 1 spot to another...`
`03:56.13`	`Olat`	`and allowed pathing and spots to not allow pathing..`
`03:56.23`	`RodOfNOD`	`as far as i can tell there are no default items are they working and just no samples or what?`
`03:56.26`	`Olat`	`TBH i think the WC3 terminology was a lil off`
`03:56.29`	`Atlos`	`is there ways to add comments within if then else statements?`
`03:56.32`	`Atlos`	`so that I don't get lost lol`
`03:56.48`	`RodOfNOD`	`what is it called atlos hehe i saw it`
`03:57.03`	`Olat`	`Atlos, I loved your Inventory system.. watched the Video today.. bravo man thats pro`
`03:57.15`	`Atlos`	`thanks I'm working on touching it up right now`
`03:57.25`	`Olat`	`I saw one issue though you had soo many sub menu's`
`03:57.29`	`Pandepic`	`you can put comments anywhere Atlos`
`03:57.31`	`Olat`	`using an item takes like 5 clicks`
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`03:57.36`	`Pandepic`	`just drag and drop them`
`03:57.41`	`RodOfNOD`	`link to inv system?`
`03:57.44`	`Atlos`	`oh didn't know you could do that`
`03:57.50`	`Atlos`	`its on the front page rod`
`03:57.50`	`Pandepic`	`=)`
`03:58.00`	`Atlos`	`although the one in the map database is a little outdated`
`03:58.06`	`Atlos`	`I restructured a couple triggers since then`
`03:58.17`	`Atlos`	`Olat it only takes a few clicks to use an item`
`03:58.37`	`Atlos`	`it's based off of console's inventory systems, idk if you every played resident evil`
`03:58.45`	`Pandepic`	`using items should always be 1 click or button press`
`03:58.46`	`Pandepic`	`imo`
`03:58.54`	`Atlos`	`I could add a quick use button`
`03:58.57`	`Vulfe`	`nimo`
`03:59.00`	`Vulfe`	`that's a new abbreviation`
`03:59.04`	`Pandepic`	`well it really depends on the map`
`03:59.06`	`Atlos`	`that probably wouldn't be a bad idea actually`
`03:59.08`	`Olat`	`a quick use or something would be nice.`
`03:59.09`	`Vulfe`	`what if your item targets something`
`03:59.10`	`Pandepic`	`but a lot of the time you want to aim for 1 action`
`03:59.12`	`Pandepic`	`to use the item`
`03:59.18`	`Pandepic`	`or even for just the important ones`
`03:59.19`	`Pandepic`	`like hp potions`
`03:59.22`	`Atlos`	`so you press maybe F to use it and then G to bring up the context menu`
`03:59.25`	`Vulfe`	`what if I want to farm APM?`
`03:59.25`	`Olat`	`a few clicks is life or death if your trying to br pro and wait till you have like 10 hp left`
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`03:59.39`	`Atlos`	`lol I designed my system to be clunky so that you can't really use it in battle`
`03:59.43`	`Atlos`	`to make it more difficult`
`03:59.46`	`Olat`	`BAH`
`03:59.50`	`Vulfe`	`Make it so all of your items require 10 clicks to use`
`03:59.51`	`Atlos`	`I would've added quick slots and such otherwise :P`
`03:59.54`	`Olat`	`Blasphemy!!!`
`03:59.59`	`Vulfe`	`that way it takes realistic amounts of time to get them out`
`04:00.00`	`Vulfe`	`XD`
`04:00.01`	`Pandepic`	`10 clicks to get to the submenus`
`04:00.03`	`Atlos`	`I'm going to make a puzzle that you have to solve`
`04:00.05`	`Pandepic`	`and 10 submenus`
`04:00.06`	`Atlos`	`in order to use the item`
`04:00.07`	`Pandepic`	`to get to one item`
`04:00.07`	`Olat`	`Make it so you have to type in the item your using to use it`
`04:00.12`	`Atlos`	`like a matching game`
`04:00.13`	`Olat`	`like an old school DoS game`
`04:00.16`	`Vulfe`	`One moment, let me find my ultimate weapon...`
`04:00.19`	`Atlos`	`that you have to solve in 1 minute or less`
`04:00.21`	`Olat`	`use health pot`
`04:00.24`	`Pandepic`	`lol beat an advanced tetris AI to use your health potion`
`04:00.27`	`Atlos`	`if you don't then you can't try again for another 2 minutes`
`04:00.27`	`Olat`	`I dont know what a pot is`
`04:00.28`	`Atlos`	`lol`
`04:00.37`	`Vulfe`	`Lol`
`04:00.41`	`Olat`	`lol`
`04:00.42`	`RodOfNOD`	`looks cool atlos`
`04:00.42`	`Vulfe`	`Solve this puzzle to advance`
`04:00.43`	`Vulfe`	`What?`
`04:00.56`	`Atlos`	`thanks Rod`
`04:01.05`	`RodOfNOD`	`so we have inventory data type what do we use this for since there are no examples`
`04:01.15`	`RodOfNOD`	`sorry item data type`
`04:02.42`	`Atlos`	`is that question for me Rod?`
`04:02.46`	`RodOfNOD`	`anyone`
`04:02.55`	`Atlos`	`oh, as a variable type?`
`04:03.04`	`RodOfNOD`	`yes`
`04:03.28`	`Atlos`	`Hmm, I've never come across is yet. I've only used like 5 of the things under that dropdown list lol`
`04:03.35`	`RodOfNOD`	`is the gal in the sc2 preview rosemary daul?`
`04:04.10`	`RodOfNOD`	`or a ghost character?`
`04:04.11`	`Alpha_vst`	`RodOfNOD read bifuu hero tutorial`
`04:04.20`	`Alpha_vst`	`he uses it`
`04:04.33`	`RodOfNOD`	`k i assume that is on sc2mapster?`
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`04:05.19`	`RodOfNOD`	`ok how about LOOT and MOVERS and VALIDATORS and i get what a TURRET would be but why isnt it just a structure?`
`04:05.21`	`Alpha_vst`	`yeah`
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`04:05.55`	`Alpha_vst`	`RodOfNOD turrets are special`
`04:06.04`	`RodOfNOD`	`of course`
`04:06.05`	`RodOfNOD`	`but why`
`04:06.09`	`Alpha_vst`	`its an attachment to a unit`
`04:06.22`	`RodOfNOD`	`oh`
`04:06.25`	`onetwo`	`ill be doing a loot/item tutorial soon, once i iron out item-buying`
`04:06.48`	`RodOfNOD`	`cool just kinda want to know what they are atm`
`04:07.25`	`onetwo`	`right now items are the weakest form of editor`
`04:07.29`	`onetwo`	`in terms of completion imo`
`04:07.33`	`onetwo`	`should get better on release`
`04:07.38`	`onetwo`	`seeing examples`
`04:07.42`	`onetwo`	`of proper way to do things`
`04:09.24`	`RodOfNOD`	`ya no examplke makes it harder to figure out hehe`
`04:10.23`	`RodOfNOD`	`cant wait for really good data scripting`
`04:10.52`	`RodOfNOD`	`u want to make a hero bam everything that is important is asked for in one spot and bam ur hero is made`
`04:11.29`	`onetwo`	`afk`
`04:11.35`	`Vulfe`	`I'm waiting until release to even touch heroes`
`04:11.47`	`Vulfe`	`there are more important things`
`04:11.53`	`Alpha_vst`	`lol`
`04:12.09`	`Alpha_vst`	`like basic mechanics for your game`
`04:12.20`	`Alpha_vst`	`that are pretty complex like mine :P`
`04:12.53`	`Alpha_vst`	`i probably will be fixing this one bug all weekend :(`
`04:13.00`	`RodOfNOD`	`whats the problem?`
`04:13.30`	`RodOfNOD`	`debuggin is both an art and a skill :>`
`04:14.48`	`Alpha_vst`	`it looks to be more than one :P`
`04:15.03`	`Alpha_vst`	`and its completely random thanks to my game being random`
`04:15.52`	`Alpha_vst`	`some times selection of the game start points is bugged`
`04:16.12`	`RodOfNOD`	`care for me to take a look?`
`04:16.30`	`Alpha_vst`	`so i will either lose auto by nto spawning units some times i will spawn 2 on top of each other`
`04:16.49`	`Alpha_vst`	`or some times i wont even spawn enough`
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`04:17.08`	`RodOfNOD`	`how are u spawning the units?`
`04:17.16`	`Alpha_vst`	`randomly :P`
`04:17.51`	`RodOfNOD`	`lol no i mean`
`04:17.53`	`RodOfNOD`	`via trigger`
`04:17.56`	`RodOfNOD`	`?`
`04:18.08`	`Alpha_vst`	`im selecting a set of starting potions creating a point resetting the random postions and creating again`
`04:18.24`	`RodOfNOD`	`starting potions = positions?`
`04:18.34`	`Alpha_vst`	`yeah... i cant type`
`04:18.41`	`RodOfNOD`	`well it could have been potions`
`04:18.45`	`RodOfNOD`	`just want to make sure hehe`
`04:18.58`	`RodOfNOD`	`what genere map is this?`
`04:19.06`	`RodOfNOD`	`genre`
`04:19.14`	`Alpha_vst`	`right now im seeing if setting the regions to nothing helps`
`04:19.19`	`Alpha_vst`	`which i wasnt doing`
`04:20.18`	`Alpha_vst`	`its a survival map`
`04:20.38`	`Alpha_vst`	`its sorta like risk lol`
`04:20.54`	`RodOfNOD`	`:>`
`04:21.23`	`RodOfNOD`	`well if u want id be happy to look at it for u im pretty good with debuggin and i wont give it out to anyone, up to u of course`
`04:22.11`	`Alpha_vst`	`http://pastebin.com/rU1uSyQ8`
`04:22.36`	`Alpha_vst`	`im not handing this over to anyone :P`
`04:24.09`	`RodOfNOD`	`lol np`
`04:24.19`	`Alpha_vst`	`yeah i have a lot of debugs in there :P`
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`04:24.40`	`RodOfNOD`	`when i am having issues that are really troublesome i try to craete a test map with just the issues that are the problems`
`04:24.45`	`RodOfNOD`	`then i can hand just that part out`
`04:24.53`	`Alpha_vst`	`see thats my issue`
`04:24.54`	`Alpha_vst`	`i cant`
`04:25.17`	`Alpha_vst`	`everything is so intertwined in my map`
`04:25.28`	`onetwo`	`fyi i dont use switch`
`04:25.29`	`Alpha_vst`	`if one thing isnt working perfectly it all breaks`
`04:25.33`	`onetwo`	`ive had people who had bugs because of switch`
`04:25.38`	`onetwo`	`i stick to if-then-else`
`04:25.38`	`onetwo`	`for now`
`04:25.48`	`Alpha_vst`	`really?`
`04:25.56`	`onetwo`	`yes`
`04:25.58`	`Alpha_vst`	`so i should just use 2 triggers?`
`04:26.06`	`onetwo`	`at this point.. give it a try`
`04:26.10`	`onetwo`	`if it doesnt change anything`
`04:26.13`	`onetwo`	`we both learn something`
`04:26.22`	`onetwo`	`but a while back someone had a trigger that looked fine`
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`04:26.24`	`Alpha_vst`	`well i have to run my game like 100 times to see if it does`
`04:26.25`	`onetwo`	`and the bug was with switch`
`04:26.30`	`RodOfNOD`	`variable type of CurrentSpawnPoints ?`
`04:26.32`	`onetwo`	`so im just putting that out there`
`04:26.43`	`Alpha_vst`	`int`
`04:27.03`	`Alpha_vst`	`i will switch it`
`04:27.12`	`Alpha_vst`	`even though it seems to seitch fine`
`04:27.19`	`Alpha_vst`	`but yeah`
`04:28.44`	`RodOfNOD`	`fyi i always assigned Last created unit to a local as soon as i entered the event because SOMETIMES in wc3 it would actually change value before the thread ended :P`
`04:29.37`	`onetwo`	`thats so true rod`
`04:29.41`	`onetwo`	`but i think now its limited to teh trigger`
`04:29.42`	`onetwo`	`that is in`
`04:29.45`	`onetwo`	`that it is in`
`04:29.49`	`RodOfNOD`	`we sure?`
`04:29.52`	`onetwo`	`not sure`
`04:29.55`	`RodOfNOD`	`hehe`
`04:29.55`	`onetwo`	`but i think so`
`04:30.02`	`RodOfNOD`	`so u think its not a global anymore?`
`04:30.05`	`RodOfNOD`	`easy to test if it is`
`04:30.05`	`Motive`	`hooray`
`04:30.09`	`Alpha_vst`	`yes`
`04:30.10`	`Motive`	`I just wrote quite possibly my worst PHP code ever`
`04:30.11`	`Alpha_vst`	`it is`
`04:30.12`	`Motive`	`xD`
`04:30.20`	`Alpha_vst`	`it says it is`
`04:30.21`	`Alpha_vst`	`lol`
`04:30.27`	`RodOfNOD`	`yes what is`
`04:30.39`	`Motive`	`http://pastebin.com/hVJ637Ub`
`04:30.42`	`Motive`	`ITS SO UGLY OH MY GOD /puke`
`04:30.43`	`Alpha_vst`	`kast created can only be used in the same trigger`
`04:30.49`	`onetwo`	`no idea wtf that is`
`04:30.50`	`onetwo`	`lol`
`04:30.51`	`RodOfNOD`	`k`
`04:31.31`	`Atlos`	`oh man I have a feeling that this test is going to blow up in my face`
`04:31.35`	`Alpha_vst`	`WOOT`
`04:31.37`	`Atlos`	`I just added a lot of code`
`04:31.42`	`Alpha_vst`	`I GOT SOME GOOD INFO`
`04:31.44`	`Alpha_vst`	`for once`
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`04:32.14`	`Atlos`	`eww regular expressions?`
`04:32.20`	`Atlos`	`my eyes burn Motive`
`04:32.22`	`Motive`	`xD`
`04:32.25`	`Motive`	`http://cortexrp.com/beta/?page=changelog`
`04:32.28`	`Motive`	`the page comes out alright though`
`04:32.31`	`Motive`	`all I really care about atm`
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`04:32.46`	`Motive`	`I'll redo it when I migrate to git`
`04:32.47`	`Motive`	`haha`
`04:32.51`	`Atlos`	`man what's up with everyone using the blizzard fansite kit lol`
`04:32.54`	`Motive`	`hey`
`04:32.56`	`Motive`	`that fansite kit`
`04:32.58`	`Motive`	`saves me from /efforting`
`04:33.02`	`Alpha_vst`	`lol`
`04:33.12`	`RodOfNOD`	`what info is that alpha?`
`04:33.23`	`Bifuu`	`O.o`
`04:33.30`	`Bifuu`	`9 projects to approve woo`
`04:33.31`	`Atlos`	`lol that's true`
`04:33.38`	`Atlos`	`I was surprised when SC2Mapster used it lol`
`04:33.43`	`Alpha_vst`	`actually it wasnt to helpful i thought it was inside one of my debug messages`
`04:33.49`	`Atlos`	`not that it's a bad image set`
`04:33.55`	`Atlos`	`just that I was toying around with the same images lol`
`04:34.03`	`Alpha_vst`	`but my trigger finished`
`04:34.40`	`Repo`	`New map: http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/warpgate-defense/. Warpgate Defense. KTSunstrider (Manager/Author). Experimental. Approved by Bifuu.`
`04:34.45`	`Repo`	`New map: http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/infernal-ignite-sc2mapster-spell/. Infernal Ignite Sc2Mapster Spell Contest. J_cup (Manager/Author). Experimental. Approved by Bifuu.`
`04:34.52`	`RodOfNOD`	`so still have bug alpha?`
`04:35.21`	`RodOfNOD`	`where do u INIT CurrentSpawnPoints ?`
`04:35.48`	`Bifuu`	`Protip guys`
`04:35.54`	`Bifuu`	`When you submit a map to the site`
`04:35.59`	`Bifuu`	`Make sure you include the map`
`04:36.02`	`Motive`	`xD`
`04:36.03`	`Bifuu`	`and a screenshot`
`04:36.17`	`Pandepic`	`lolwhat`
`04:36.44`	`Alpha_vst`	`http://pastebin.com/k28SP3x9`
`04:37.25`	`Alpha_vst`	`now your going to ask where i set everything else :P`
`04:37.48`	`Pandepic`	`I wasn't going to ask alpha`
`04:38.11`	`Alpha_vst`	`thats not broken and works fine :P`
`04:38.27`	`Repo`	`New map: http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/frigate-orpheon-part-3-deck-gamm/. Frigate Orpheon Part 3 (Deck Gamma). Wunterwaffen (Manager/Author). Approved by Bifuu.`
`04:38.30`	`RodOfNOD`	`i dont se CurrentSpawnPoints = something`
`04:38.31`	`Repo`	`New map: http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/infernal-ignite-sc2mapster-spell/. Infernal Ignite Sc2Mapster Spell Contest. J_cup (Manager/Author). Approved by Bifuu.`
`04:38.35`	`RodOfNOD`	`in that code u just game me`
`04:39.29`	`Alpha_vst`	`oh`
`04:40.09`	`onetwo`	`haha jcups map`
`04:40.13`	`onetwo`	`that spell was nuts`
`04:40.29`	`onetwo`	`if anyone missed it:`
`04:40.29`	`onetwo`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvhbPrPnosU`
`04:40.33`	`onetwo`	`thats what jcup made for the contest`
`04:40.34`	`onetwo`	`hahaha`
`04:41.14`	`RodOfNOD`	`firey!`
`04:43.24`	`Bifuu`	`Anyone planning on getting that MMO All Points Bulletin?`
`04:43.42`	`Bifuu`	`Theys ent me a pre launch Key and i dont think imma use it`
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`04:45.48`	`onetwo`	`nope`
`04:46.53`	`Bifuu`	`well fine!`
`04:50.12`	`Atlos`	`I hate how it doesn't let you save when you have a script error`
`04:50.22`	`Atlos`	`kinda frustrates me to fix the error before I sign off`
`04:51.19`	`fatal5101`	`OR just dont close the editor`
`04:52.39`	`Atlos`	`it has a tendency to crash on me`
`04:52.40`	`Atlos`	`:(`
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`04:56.47`	`Kaseano`	`hey... Any1 know how to have a slot in an item container that can hold any class? "None" doesn't seem to work for any class`
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`05:03.13`	`onetwo`	`just give it all classes`
`05:03.17`	`onetwo`	`thats what you have to do`
`05:03.25`	`onetwo`	`give it each class`
`05:03.26`	`onetwo`	`that you made`
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`05:06.13`	`Olat`	`Any of you guys play Marine Arena?`
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`05:09.28`	`onetwo`	`haha`
`05:09.37`	`onetwo`	`[22:06] <Olat> Any of you guys play Marine Arena? [22:09] == Olat [61659d2f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.97.101.157.47] has quit [Quit: Page closed]`
`05:09.44`	`onetwo`	`guess that failed`
`05:10.12`	`onetwo`	`~seen onetwo`
`05:10.48`	`purl`	`onetwo is currently on #sc2mapster (4h 56m 34s). Has said a total of 356 messages. Is idling for 36s, last said: '~seen onetwo'.`
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`05:15.20`	`Pandepic`	`Bifuu: I was planning on trying APB out`
`05:19.08`	`picklefish`	`hey sixen, or other peoples. Is SC2 really going to get a visual studio type map editor?`
`05:19.25`	`picklefish`	`well script editor`
`05:19.35`	`Pandepic`	`looks like someone is working on one`
`05:20.06`	`picklefish`	`oh I see... Galaxy Editor is going to have add-on support at release?`
`05:21.00`	`RodOfNOD`	`maybe`
`05:21.03`	`RodOfNOD`	`maybe not :P`
`05:21.42`	`picklefish`	`I want to know where sixen is getting the "GE will be able to do yada yada"`
`05:22.01`	`RodOfNOD`	`hope i think but i know that we have some contacts at blizz so maybe`
`05:22.08`	`Pandepic`	`man, Jcup's spell really is crazy`
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`05:22.12`	`Pandepic`	`but also pretty awesome`
`05:22.19`	`Dkrchris`	`sup guys`
`05:22.23`	`Pandepic`	`hey`
`05:22.26`	`RodOfNOD`	`hi`
`05:22.27`	`Alpha_vst`	`hey donky kong`
`05:22.29`	`Kaseano`	`+onetwo it only lets me choose one class :(`
`05:22.39`	`RodOfNOD`	`well zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz time for me.......`
`05:22.43`	`Dkrchris`	`>.>`
`05:22.48`	`onetwo`	`well that means youve only made 1 class`
`05:22.49`	`RodOfNOD`	`nite nite`
`05:22.50`	`onetwo`	`in Item Classes`
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`05:22.59`	`onetwo`	`brb 5 mins`
`05:23.01`	`Kaseano`	`no i mean I can't choose an array I dont think`
`05:23.08`	`Kaseano`	`unless that's how the double index thing works`
`05:23.20`	`Dkrchris`	`hey pan i used ur creep idea it worked`
`05:23.24`	`Kaseano`	`there's only 1 drop down bar tho`
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`05:24.54`	`Pandepic`	`night rof`
`05:24.55`	`Pandepic`	`rod*`
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`05:25.20`	`Pandepic`	`oh you used the creep idea dkrchris? =D`
`05:25.24`	`Dkrchris`	`yea`
`05:25.27`	`Pandepic`	`cool`
`05:25.34`	`Pandepic`	`did you find a way to make it invisible or something?`
`05:25.35`	`Dkrchris`	`it works how i wanted the trigger to work`
`05:25.37`	`Dkrchris`	`na`
`05:25.45`	`Dkrchris`	`i cant find any way to do it`
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`05:25.51`	`Dkrchris`	`Creep has no model or anything..`
`05:25.51`	`Pandepic`	`maybe onetwo knows of a way`
`05:26.07`	`Dkrchris`	`i tried changeing lighting, looked no actor`
`05:26.10`	`Pandepic`	`or maybe you can hide it somehow etc.`
`05:26.39`	`Dkrchris`	`no one knows so far`
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`05:27.00`	`Dkrchris`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixqrfwUNN2s shows how the creep works`
`05:27.07`	`Sixen`	`picklefish: Yes.`
`05:27.20`	`Sixen`	`picklefish: Not like how Moonlite is setup, but the functionality is there.`
`05:27.31`	`picklefish`	`Interesting..`
`05:27.51`	`Sixen`	`Just trust me ;)`
`05:28.09`	`picklefish`	`sounds good :)`
`05:28.13`	`picklefish`	`i'`
`05:28.47`	`Dkrchris`	`i wonder how ill do diffrent properties tho ill prob need triggers unless i can do something with Behaviors and abilities`
`05:29.05`	`picklefish`	`I'm just constantly checking up on the landscape of development for when I can finally start coding up some idea`
`05:29.30`	`Ignorance`	`Ignorance is your new best friend.`
`05:30.41`	`Pandepic`	`much better music dkrchris =P`
`05:30.51`	`Dkrchris`	`lol`
`05:31.22`	`Dkrchris`	`i used youtube soundtracks in the back of SC while i filmed`
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`05:32.12`	`onetwo`	`fuck haha that music`
`05:32.14`	`onetwo`	`lol cool`
`05:32.29`	`Jcup`	`Hai guys`
`05:33.04`	`Dkrchris`	`now i gotta test my next effect of properties`
`05:33.36`	`onetwo`	`uh the only way i can think to override creep, if there is no data editor way, is to simply figure out which textures it's made from by browsing for icons or w/e... the browser for images... search for creep.. then export them and in photoshop or w/e, set them to blank or set an alpha channel of all black`
`05:33.40`	`Pandepic`	`must be cool to be a farmer`
`05:33.43`	`onetwo`	`then re-import them with the same folder structure/name`
`05:33.44`	`Pandepic`	`and have a drill for an arm`
`05:33.48`	`onetwo`	`but thats a last resort`
`05:35.17`	`Dkrchris`	`how do i find aplha channel?`
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`05:35.25`	`onetwo`	`2nd tab of layers`
`05:35.27`	`Dkrchris`	`i heard some1 talking about alpha and creep`
`05:35.29`	`onetwo`	`in photoshop`
`05:35.45`	`onetwo`	`e.g. if you export btn-minerals.dds`
`05:35.49`	`onetwo`	`oh and you need the dds plugin for photoshop`
`05:35.56`	`onetwo`	`and you go to the 2nd tab of layers`
`05:35.58`	`onetwo`	`aka alpha channels`
`05:36.03`	`Dkrchris`	`dont got photoshop so meh`
`05:36.07`	`onetwo`	`k nvm`
`05:36.11`	`onetwo`	`just give up actually`
`05:36.12`	`onetwo`	`too much work`
`05:36.13`	`onetwo`	`lol`
`05:38.20`	`Alpha_vst`	`FUCK ME`
`05:39.02`	`Jcup`	`uhhhh`
`05:40.00`	`Dkrchris`	`hmmm`
`05:40.37`	`Dkrchris`	`should i make it so u can build ur farm how you please or set it up as crappy starter houses`
`05:40.42`	`Alpha_vst`	`im completly redoing a bunch of my game`
`05:40.55`	`onetwo`	`crappy starter`
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`05:44.58`	`ZeroAme`	`http://forums.sc2mapster.com/general/general-chat/3464-no-lan-in-sc2/`
`05:46.06`	`TheLaughingMan`	`that is old news`
`05:46.10`	`Nevir`	`Heh. Tournaments will be fun (or have custom builds)`
`05:46.23`	`onetwo`	`Written by: Netto and posted at: August 24, 2009, 10:00 AM.`
`05:46.25`	`onetwo`	`lol`
`05:46.41`	`onetwo`	`but good find`
`05:46.50`	`ZeroAme`	`I know its old news`
`05:46.58`	`ZeroAme`	`but there are people who still dont know`
`05:47.03`	`ZeroAme`	`so just making it known`
`05:47.32`	`onetwo`	`ah`
`05:47.45`	`TheLaughingMan`	`They will add Lan one way or another`
`05:47.58`	`onetwo`	`yeah i think they took too much of a WoW approach`
`05:48.04`	`onetwo`	`that doesnt realy work as well with this type of game`
`05:48.09`	`onetwo`	`where you cant depend on servers all the time`
`05:48.13`	`onetwo`	`especially when money is on the line`
`05:48.19`	`onetwo`	`and you have a room of 100 people`
`05:48.20`	`onetwo`	`in a tourney`
`05:48.26`	`TheLaughingMan`	`Nah`
`05:48.34`	`onetwo`	`and fyi atm max bnet connections from one IP is 100`
`05:48.42`	`TheLaughingMan`	`They will just release a custom battle.net 2.0 server`
`05:48.42`	`onetwo`	`so any tournies in one building with > 100 people`
`05:48.43`	`onetwo`	`dont work`
`05:48.59`	`onetwo`	`im guessing it wont be long until someone finds a way to exploit the "Test document" function in editor`
`05:49.02`	`onetwo`	`to go to a custom server`
`05:49.03`	`onetwo`	`somehow`
`05:49.20`	`Nevir`	`How much do the bnet servers interact with running games, though? Isn't most of the game chatter still just a lot of delegation between each client?`
`05:49.28`	`onetwo`	`oh im sure thats fine`
`05:49.31`	`onetwo`	`its just connecting`
`05:49.33`	`onetwo`	`and relying`
`05:49.42`	`onetwo`	`if bnet doesnt exist`
`05:49.45`	`onetwo`	`neither does the game`
`05:49.48`	`onetwo`	`even if it doesnt mettle in the game much`
`05:49.50`	`onetwo`	`during the game`
`05:49.54`	`onetwo`	`PERSONALLY though`
`05:49.54`	`Nevir`	`Ah gotcha`
`05:49.56`	`onetwo`	`i could care less`
`05:50.02`	`onetwo`	`i do like chat channels and clans etc`
`05:50.05`	`onetwo`	`clans is coming for sure`
`05:50.08`	`onetwo`	`so thats good`
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`05:52.20`	`ZeroAme`	`I think the whole popularity shit is a bad joke and whoever in blizzard came up with the idea needs to be fired.`
`05:52.34`	`Pandepic`	`yeah popularity sucks`
`05:52.46`	`onetwo`	`in theory it prevents the gay DOTA spam list`
`05:52.51`	`onetwo`	`but in practice it had its own problems`
`05:52.52`	`onetwo`	`HOWEVER`
`05:53.00`	`Pandepic`	`lol @ that guy who got "fuck the popularity system" into the top 10 list`
`05:53.00`	`onetwo`	`once finished`
`05:53.02`	`onetwo`	`its going to be great`
`05:53.06`	`onetwo`	`lol`
`05:53.25`	`ZeroAme`	`great for who exactly?`
`05:53.31`	`Nevir`	`It didn't seem finished either, though - will be interesting once there's support for game variants and whatnot (I assume that's coming).`
`05:53.36`	`ZeroAme`	`I don't see greatness in it at all`
`05:53.40`	`Alpha_vst`	`not people who make a map after a week of beta`
`05:53.41`	`Pandepic`	`for me 'cause 10 of my RPG's maps will be the top 10 maps`
`05:53.43`	`Pandepic`	`and onetwo will cry`
`05:53.46`	`onetwo`	`once they have custom game joiner to this level`
`05:53.46`	`onetwo`	`http://sclegacy.com/features/sc2beta/b.netconcerns/Join-Custom-Game.jpg`
`05:53.49`	`onetwo`	`itll be great`
`05:53.54`	`onetwo`	`map list, lobby list inside it`
`05:54.14`	`onetwo`	`should make the lobby list inside it in order of 10 newest`
`05:54.16`	`onetwo`	`and keep refreshing`
`05:54.17`	`onetwo`	`the stack`
`05:54.18`	`onetwo`	`imo`
`05:54.31`	`ZeroAme`	`is that an offical image or someone with photoshop`
`05:54.31`	`onetwo`	`and on TOP of this popularity list`
`05:54.33`	`Nevir`	`Hell, just roll them up by game variant - only one of each`
`05:54.35`	`onetwo`	`someone`
`05:54.53`	`onetwo`	`i think by default it should display the rolling 10 last hosted maps list`
`05:54.55`	`Pandepic`	`it's completely ridiculous to have every single published map`
`05:54.56`	`onetwo`	`refreshing every 10 secs`
`05:54.56`	`Pandepic`	`in one list`
`05:55.04`	`onetwo`	`then as a 2ndary option`
`05:55.06`	`onetwo`	`popularity`
`05:55.15`	`Pandepic`	`that link doesn't work for me =(`
`05:55.16`	`onetwo`	`but popularity as shown in the link`
`05:55.37`	`onetwo`	`pandepic`
`05:55.38`	`onetwo`	`http://sclegacy.com/news/23-sc2/732-battlenet-20-concerns`
`05:55.40`	`onetwo`	`scroll down`
`05:55.48`	`Pandepic`	`can't open that website at all`
`05:55.53`	`onetwo`	`http://sclegacy.com/articles/730-battlenet-20-concerns`
`05:55.55`	`onetwo`	`err`
`05:55.56`	`onetwo`	`damnit`
`05:56.31`	`Pandepic`	`still can't see it`
`05:56.32`	`onetwo`	`http://tinyurl.com/29lyef6`
`05:56.36`	`onetwo`	`does this tinurl link work?`
`05:56.38`	`Pandepic`	`I can't open teamliquid at all either`
`05:56.44`	`onetwo`	`what are you on an iphone`
`05:56.48`	`Pandepic`	`no`
`05:56.50`	`Pandepic`	`PC`
`05:56.51`	`onetwo`	`lol`
`05:57.22`	`onetwo`	`http://img822.imageshack.us/img822/4192/joincustomgame.jpg`
`05:57.22`	`onetwo`	`there`
`05:57.48`	`onetwo`	`and actually it might be an old image`
`05:57.50`	`onetwo`	`made by blizz`
`05:57.57`	`onetwo`	`i forget if its that or if its photoshopped`
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`05:58.11`	`Pandepic`	`ugh this is so annoying`
`05:58.14`	`ZeroAme`	`says it was presented at blizzcon 2009`
`05:58.19`	`onetwo`	`k`
`05:58.24`	`Pandepic`	`I could open teamliquid until a month ago`
`05:58.26`	`Pandepic`	`and now it never works`
`05:58.31`	`Alpha_vst`	`awwwwwwww`
`05:58.37`	`Alpha_vst`	`that site sucks :D`
`05:58.46`	`Alpha_vst`	`no my trigger sucks`
`05:58.52`	`Alpha_vst`	`still not working :P`
`05:58.54`	`Alpha_vst`	`correctly`
`05:58.55`	`Pandepic`	`why does it suck?`
`05:59.01`	`Pandepic`	`other than retarded strategy threads`
`05:59.08`	`onetwo`	`i love retarded strategy threads`
`05:59.15`	`onetwo`	`everyone trying to make a famous 10000 view thread`
`05:59.18`	`Pandepic`	`same, lots of fun to read`
`05:59.18`	`onetwo`	`every few mins`
`05:59.19`	`onetwo`	`a new one`
`05:59.29`	`Pandepic`	`but now I can never open the website`
`05:59.36`	`onetwo`	`claims to be in platinum`
`05:59.38`	`Pandepic`	`chrome even loads the website's icon`
`05:59.38`	`onetwo`	`then says stuff`
`05:59.41`	`onetwo`	`that just sounds so copper`
`05:59.44`	`Pandepic`	`and then says it can't find the server`
`05:59.45`	`finlay`	`can you use unit enters region? I heard there was problems and mine is not working`
`05:59.50`	`onetwo`	`you can`
`05:59.52`	`onetwo`	`unit in bounds doesnt work`
`05:59.54`	`onetwo`	`i heard`
`05:59.55`	`Alpha_vst`	`it works`
`05:59.58`	`onetwo`	`but unit enters region should be fine`
`06:00.02`	`Alpha_vst`	`yes it is`
`06:00.07`	`Alpha_vst`	`i use it in my map`
`06:00.08`	`finlay`	`I'm using the convert point to region`
`06:00.09`	`Alpha_vst`	`its fine`
`06:00.13`	`finlay`	`er convert point to circle`
`06:00.21`	`Alpha_vst`	`also works`
`06:00.34`	`Alpha_vst`	`its making a region lol`
`06:00.37`	`Pandepic`	`you can convert a point to a region? lol`
`06:00.43`	`onetwo`	`point with radius`
`06:00.44`	`Alpha_vst`	`yes...`
`06:00.44`	`onetwo`	`circle`
`06:00.48`	`Dkrchris`	`lol awsome made a gate fly >.>`
`06:00.50`	`Pandepic`	`oh`
`06:00.56`	`Pandepic`	`was going to say`
`06:00.59`	`Pandepic`	`a 1 point sized region`
`06:01.00`	`Pandepic`	`lol`
`06:01.02`	`Alpha_vst`	`how do you think i generate regions`
`06:01.10`	`Alpha_vst`	`0.o`
`06:01.19`	`Pandepic`	`alpha I don't try to think about how you do things`
`06:01.24`	`Alpha_vst`	`lol`
`06:01.25`	`Pandepic`	`else I might start using capslock =P`
`06:01.31`	`ZeroAme`	`lol`
`06:01.41`	`Alpha_vst`	`dont laugh you dont know`
`06:01.42`	`finlay`	`it just won't detect no matter what I try`
`06:01.55`	`Pandepic`	`you did something wrong finlay`
`06:01.57`	`Alpha_vst`	`are you use you did it right`
`06:02.01`	`finlay`	`no`
`06:02.03`	`finlay`	`I'm not sure :)`
`06:02.16`	`Pandepic`	`the way you can tell you did something wrong`
`06:02.21`	`Pandepic`	`is that it's not working =)`
`06:02.42`	`Alpha_vst`	`yes`
`06:02.48`	`Alpha_vst`	`or my way`
`06:02.53`	`finlay`	`I wish I could use unit enters within of Point, but it won't accept a variable as an argument for Point`
`06:03.05`	`Alpha_vst`	`bull shit`
`06:03.06`	`Wihl`	`Pandepic - are you EU or US?`
`06:03.14`	`Pandepic`	`US server`
`06:03.16`	`Pandepic`	`I'm Australian`
`06:03.18`	`Wihl`	`ah.`
`06:03.24`	`Alpha_vst`	`wait is that for an event finlay`
`06:03.28`	`Pandepic`	`why do you ask Wihl?`
`06:03.31`	`finlay`	`yeah`
`06:03.33`	`finlay`	`Alpha_vst: for an event`
`06:03.34`	`Alpha_vst`	`cant use cariables in events`
`06:03.38`	`Alpha_vst`	`variables`
`06:03.44`	`finlay`	`what?`
`06:03.44`	`Wihl`	`Looking for someone to take a look at this water state thing`
`06:03.50`	`Alpha_vst`	`yup`
`06:03.53`	`Wihl`	`im not sure why it happens, i even reinstalled`
`06:04.01`	`Pandepic`	`water state?`
`06:04.04`	`finlay`	`boo Unit Enters Region From Circle (Point) I can use a variable :(`
`06:04.06`	`finlay`	`but it won't work`
`06:04.23`	`Wihl`	`if i go to place water and i click modify. I then add a water state and click ok`
`06:04.27`	`Wihl`	`then i click modify again`
`06:04.29`	`Wihl`	`both are then gone`
`06:04.33`	`Pandepic`	`I don't know anything about water states`
`06:04.38`	`Pandepic`	`haven't played with them yet`
`06:04.47`	`Pandepic`	`sorry`
`06:04.57`	`onetwo`	`lol wow razernok was in here today`
`06:04.58`	`onetwo`	`anyway`
`06:05.02`	`onetwo`	`i think you guys might enjoy this`
`06:05.06`	`Pandepic`	`razernok?`
`06:05.07`	`Alpha_vst`	`wihl when i opened your map it did the same thing for me`
`06:05.09`	`onetwo`	`from last 5 hours:`
`06:05.10`	`onetwo`	`[22:38] <Alpha_vst> FUCK ME [20:30] <Alpha_vst> WTF IS THAT [20:29] <Alpha_vst> your a dick [20:23] <Alpha_vst> wtf Sixen [20:22] <Alpha_vst> bitch at your host to add it [20:19] <Alpha_vst> GOD [20:17] <Alpha_vst> FUCK YOU GAME [20:03] <Alpha_vst> FUCK YOU GAME [19:53] <Alpha_vst> GAH [19:47] <Alpha_vst> IM A MORON [17:47] <Alpha_vst> SUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!`
`06:05.14`	`Alpha_vst`	`i forgot to sat that`
`06:05.15`	`Pandepic`	`LOL`
`06:05.22`	`Wihl`	`Alpha_vst - that would have helped :p`
`06:05.32`	`Nevir`	`Triggers get registered at map start - you could use a variable if you wanted, but you'd have to re-register the trigger each time. (call TriggerAddEventUnitRangePoint). Will likely "leak", too`
`06:05.34`	`Wihl`	`Thats really odd though, if i make a new map it does the same thing`
`06:05.45`	`Pandepic`	`alpha is the local source of positive emotions`
`06:05.49`	`onetwo`	`lol`
`06:06.02`	`Alpha_vst`	`FUCK YEAH!!!!!!!`
`06:06.08`	`finlay`	`Alpha_vst: I have a library that work on an array of points... suggestions for detecting when units get near them?`
`06:06.26`	`Alpha_vst`	`yup`
`06:06.33`	`Alpha_vst`	`custom condtion`
`06:06.38`	`Alpha_vst`	`like mine`
`06:06.44`	`finlay`	`but what's my event?`
`06:06.53`	`finlay`	`a 1 second polling?`
`06:06.56`	`Alpha_vst`	`yes`
`06:07.02`	`Alpha_vst`	`or what ever i use 3`
`06:07.05`	`onetwo`	`at 5:30`
`06:07.06`	`onetwo`	`[17:31] == Razernok [~cvdsaf@adsl-66-140-56-227.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] has joined #sc2mapster [17:31] <Alpha_vst> what cant [17:31] == Razernok [~cvdsaf@adsl-66-140-56-227.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] has quit [Client Quit]`
`06:07.17`	`finlay`	`ugh think that will slow down the map if I have a lot of them?`
`06:07.35`	`Alpha_vst`	`lol`
`06:07.38`	`Alpha_vst`	`u only need 1`
`06:07.50`	`Nevir`	`the points he's got an array of`
`06:08.04`	`finlay`	`but then I need to iterate through to figure out which one happened`
`06:08.10`	`Alpha_vst`	`http://pastebin.com/R4fJjQXM`
`06:08.22`	`Pandepic`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qh_IFymXS9o`
`06:08.38`	`Pandepic`	`^ Martul when he finds a new impossible editor job`
`06:08.39`	`Alpha_vst`	`and use something like`
`06:08.42`	`Alpha_vst`	`<PROTECTED>`
`06:08.43`	`Alpha_vst`	`<PROTECTED>`
`06:08.45`	`Alpha_vst`	`<PROTECTED>`
`06:08.46`	`Alpha_vst`	`<PROTECTED>`
`06:08.57`	`onetwo`	`haha`
`06:08.59`	`onetwo`	`no thats us`
`06:09.00`	`onetwo`	`laughing`
`06:09.10`	`Pandepic`	`lol`
`06:09.21`	`finlay`	`yeah I see now`
`06:09.27`	`finlay`	`thanks`
`06:09.39`	`Alpha_vst`	`map loop a global variable...`
`06:09.43`	`Alpha_vst`	`make`
`06:10.10`	`Nevir`	`Why a global?`
`06:10.16`	`onetwo`	`anyone want to play hit custom game map_loop`
`06:10.19`	`onetwo`	`released by alpha`
`06:10.28`	`onetwo`	`its the most popular map in korea`
`06:10.37`	`*** join/#sc2mapster Ka[L]ekin (~Ka_L_ekin@dsl-145-84-161.telkomadsl.co.za)`
`06:11.09`	`Alpha_vst`	`so you can use it any where`
`06:12.33`	`Pandepic`	`lol`
`06:12.40`	`Alpha_vst`	`finlay pointlocations is your region array`
`06:12.43`	`Alpha_vst`	`fyi`
`06:13.34`	`Alpha_vst`	`why where you making fun of my loop?`
`06:13.43`	`Alpha_vst`	`:(`
`06:14.18`	`onetwo`	`map_loop`
`06:14.20`	`onetwo`	`greatest map ever`
`06:14.22`	`onetwo`	`im going to make it`
`06:14.29`	`onetwo`	`the gameplay will shock you all`
`06:14.34`	`Alpha_vst`	`really?`
`06:14.41`	`onetwo`	`yeah`
`06:14.50`	`finlay`	`Alpha_vst: yeah saw that`
`06:14.56`	`onetwo`	`the entire gameplay`
`06:14.59`	`Alpha_vst`	`why you got to be such a jerk face :P`
`06:14.59`	`onetwo`	`will be based off of loops`
`06:15.14`	`Nevir`	`Lol`
`06:15.16`	`onetwo`	`im already making it`
`06:15.29`	`Alpha_vst`	`same its caleld attack of the paper zombies...`
`06:15.33`	`Alpha_vst`	`0.o`
`06:15.37`	`onetwo`	`dude`
`06:15.56`	`Alpha_vst`	`everything i do is in a fucking loop`
`06:16.03`	`Alpha_vst`	`:P`
`06:16.47`	`Ka[L]ekin`	`Sixen`
`06:17.07`	`Alpha_vst`	`oh god im using to many arrays`
`06:17.13`	`onetwo`	`ive already come up with the gamplay for map_loop`
`06:17.43`	`Alpha_vst`	`the [L] in Ka[L]ekin first thing i wondered was what l was referancing`
`06:17.49`	`Alpha_vst`	`i need sleep`
`06:18.50`	`Alpha_vst`	`goodnight`
`06:18.53`	`finlay`	`Alpha_vst: I avoided using globals by not using a condition, just going straight into the actions`
`06:19.26`	`onetwo`	`wait`
`06:19.28`	`Alpha_vst`	`same thing i guess`
`06:19.30`	`onetwo`	`alpha`
`06:19.33`	`onetwo`	`you have to see this`
`06:19.36`	`Alpha_vst`	`what`
`06:19.43`	`onetwo`	`sec uploading`
`06:20.24`	`Pandepic`	`onetwo: someone was saying before that their hero loses levels on death or something`
`06:20.30`	`Pandepic`	`and they can't revive it with those levels`
`06:20.32`	`Alpha_vst`	`yup`
`06:20.41`	`Pandepic`	`what is your response to that?`
`06:21.09`	`onetwo`	`havent figured that issue myself`
`06:21.10`	`onetwo`	`yet`
`06:21.23`	`onetwo`	`k`
`06:21.24`	`onetwo`	`alpha`
`06:21.28`	`Alpha_vst`	`...`
`06:21.29`	`onetwo`	`check out v1 of map_loop`
`06:21.31`	`onetwo`	`http://img812.imageshack.us/img812/6629/maploop.jpg`
`06:21.49`	`Pandepic`	`lol`
`06:22.08`	`Alpha_vst`	`FUCK YOU`
`06:22.14`	`onetwo`	`its going good`
`06:22.23`	`onetwo`	`ive got bifuu making some custom banelings`
`06:22.26`	`onetwo`	`for added gameplay variance`
`06:22.38`	`Pandepic`	`banelings that spawn zerglings`
`06:22.48`	`onetwo`	`and you can buy baneling items`
`06:22.53`	`onetwo`	`from the hive monster`
`06:22.59`	`onetwo`	`but when you buy 1`
`06:23.02`	`Nevir`	`They'd better be spawning those zerglings on their own loop`
`06:23.03`	`onetwo`	`it loops through your inventory`
`06:23.04`	`onetwo`	`and buys it all`
`06:23.11`	`Sixen`	`What's up Ka[L]ekin?`
`06:23.19`	`Alpha_vst`	`goodnight`
`06:23.21`	`onetwo`	`night`
`06:23.22`	`onetwo`	`:D`
`06:23.28`	`Pandepic`	`so onetwo, on your WoW map`
`06:23.32`	`onetwo`	`yeah?`
`06:23.34`	`Alpha_vst`	`onetwo your poop`
`06:23.35`	`Pandepic`	`what happens when the hero dies?`
`06:23.37`	`Pandepic`	`it's gone forever?`
`06:23.38`	`onetwo`	`:O`
`06:23.40`	`Sixen`	`map loop`
`06:23.42`	`Sixen`	`wuzzat?`
`06:23.42`	`onetwo`	`yeh`
`06:23.45`	`onetwo`	`Alpha_vst`
`06:23.46`	`Pandepic`	`fail`
`06:23.49`	`onetwo`	`i love your map :D`
`06:23.57`	`Pandepic`	`but it's ok, I have an amazing solution`
`06:23.57`	`Alpha_vst`	`lol awwww ok i forgive you`
`06:24.07`	`onetwo`	`store it evertyime hero levels`
`06:24.08`	`onetwo`	`pandepic?`
`06:24.11`	`onetwo`	`what about the revive ability`
`06:24.14`	`Wihl`	`anyone here that has done something with raising/lowering water or lava?`
`06:24.16`	`onetwo`	`have you LOOKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKed at that?`
`06:24.21`	`Pandepic`	`no`
`06:24.28`	`Pandepic`	`obviously I will do it via triggers`
`06:24.32`	`onetwo`	`pfft`
`06:24.35`	`onetwo`	`this calls for competition`
`06:24.38`	`Alpha_vst`	`Wihl: you seriously broke something in your map`
`06:24.38`	`Pandepic`	`ahaha`
`06:24.48`	`Wihl`	`Alpha_vst - but it happens on every other map as well :<`
`06:24.51`	`Alpha_vst`	`or you game`
`06:24.52`	`Pandepic`	`I'm just going to use my hero load/save library to save the hero on death`
`06:24.55`	`Pandepic`	`and reload the hero again`
`06:24.56`	`Wihl`	`reinstalled the game`
`06:25.11`	`onetwo`	`kk ill use my data library and corroberate it with the FBI`
`06:25.16`	`onetwo`	`and then route back to HQ`
`06:25.22`	`onetwo`	`we'll see who wins`
`06:25.24`	`onetwo`	`mr scientist`
`06:25.25`	`Pandepic`	`not if I hax your HQ`
`06:25.32`	`Pandepic`	`and put banelings in there`
`06:25.38`	`Pandepic`	`and make them loop`
`06:25.42`	`onetwo`	`map_loop: the greatest map ever`
`06:25.52`	`finlay`	`Alpha_vst: what did you use to cycle through all available units?`
`06:26.02`	`onetwo`	`i seriously bet this map http://img812.imageshack.us/img812/6629/maploop.jpg just that trigger and 64x64 terrain with some trees`
`06:26.05`	`onetwo`	`would top popularity`
`06:26.07`	`onetwo`	`and id be most hated mapper`
`06:26.08`	`onetwo`	`of all time`
`06:26.16`	`Pandepic`	`lol`
`06:26.24`	`onetwo`	`what you think Sixen`
`06:26.28`	`onetwo`	`is it page 1 material?`
`06:26.31`	`Pandepic`	`do a tutorial on it`
`06:26.37`	`Sixen`	`What is it? :\|`
`06:26.50`	`Sixen`	`Mass baneling FFA?`
`06:27.03`	`onetwo`	`i took a joke too far`
`06:27.03`	`onetwo`	`[23:09] <Alpha_vst> map loop a global variable... [23:09] <Alpha_vst> make [23:14] <+onetwo> map_loop [23:14] <+onetwo> greatest map ever [23:14] <+onetwo> im going to make it`
`06:27.08`	`onetwo`	`from his typo`
`06:27.13`	`Sixen`	`lol`
`06:27.24`	`onetwo`	`this map would be insane`
`06:27.29`	`onetwo`	`just mass banelings on center of the map`
`06:27.31`	`onetwo`	`for all players`
`06:27.41`	`Pandepic`	`the ultimate micro war`
`06:27.56`	`onetwo`	`LOL it becomes DOTA popular`
`06:28.01`	`onetwo`	`screws over Alpha for life`
`06:28.04`	`onetwo`	`hahaha`
`06:28.04`	`Nevir`	`Give 'em a high turning radius for added hilarity`
`06:29.00`	`onetwo`	`ive been working on my rpg for too long`
`06:29.02`	`onetwo`	`its too serious`
`06:29.05`	`Pandepic`	`lol`
`06:29.08`	`onetwo`	`i think i will make this map_loop map`
`06:29.10`	`onetwo`	`and just go nuts`
`06:29.14`	`onetwo`	`like make the weirdest thing ever`
`06:29.21`	`Pandepic`	`a baneling only map`
`06:29.24`	`Pandepic`	`no other units allowed`
`06:29.31`	`Pandepic`	`gogo`
`06:29.31`	`onetwo`	`and EVERYTHING has to loop`
`06:29.34`	`Pandepic`	`lol`
`06:29.42`	`onetwo`	`you spawn a unit`
`06:29.45`	`onetwo`	`it just loop makes it`
`06:29.46`	`onetwo`	`forever`
`06:29.49`	`onetwo`	`no action is not looped`
`06:29.53`	`Nevir`	`Player colors loop?`
`06:29.55`	`onetwo`	`game is over when bnet crashes`
`06:29.58`	`onetwo`	`sure`
`06:29.59`	`onetwo`	`sounds good`
`06:29.59`	`Pandepic`	`lol`
`06:30.18`	`onetwo`	`send any wacky ideas this way`
`06:30.20`	`onetwo`	`im going to do it`
`06:30.42`	`onetwo`	`hey i just had an interesting idea`
`06:30.46`	`onetwo`	`to wake people up`
`06:32.25`	`onetwo`	`ah too much work`
`06:33.54`	`*** join/#sc2mapster MiSu (~MiSu@p54B46F7D.dip.t-dialin.net)`
`06:42.22`	`Dkrchris`	`hey got a question`
`06:42.35`	`Sixen`	`brb`
`06:43.19`	`Dkrchris`	`tryin to make my "pawn shop" sell a deed for property, can i make it have a ability to change the "property" buildings change user command or is it a trigger i gotta do`
`06:45.01`	`Nevir`	`you want the deed to give a unit an ability that can change the owner of a target property to the player?`
`06:45.49`	`*** join/#sc2mapster LaptopFury (~furyhunte@cpe-70-112-108-97.austin.res.rr.com)`
`06:46.06`	`Dkrchris`	`yea`
`06:46.10`	`Dkrchris`	`but multiple buildings`
`06:46.59`	`Dkrchris`	`do i buy 1 deed and it gives me permant command of like 5 buildings in the "property" area`
`06:50.17`	`Sozer`	`im trying to make a single player computer melee map with as hard as i can get the computers`
`06:50.31`	`Nevir`	`could use a search effect to do that I guess - and have it apply modify unit effects (try setting the "Owner" flag and see if that works)`
`06:50.38`	`Sozer`	`i have alliances working, and the computers do play, but they are easy as shit and dont acttually make armies`
`06:50.54`	`*** join/#sc2mapster pkol (~chatzilla@60-242-161-18.static.tpgi.com.au)`
`06:51.07`	`Sozer`	`anyone know how to change the difficulty of computer AI`
`06:52.06`	`onetwo`	`you cant`
`06:52.07`	`onetwo`	`atm`
`06:52.12`	`onetwo`	`unless you make your own AI`
`06:52.17`	`onetwo`	`which theres a contest taht was on for it`
`06:52.21`	`onetwo`	`so look out for the results from that :D`
`06:52.58`	`Sozer`	`dam`
`06:53.07`	`Sozer`	`its weird the variables for the diffierent difficulty are even in the editor at all then`
`06:53.23`	`Nevir`	`what about the "Set Difficulty Parameter" for specific AI behaviors?`
`06:53.25`	`onetwo`	`meh they will be used`
`06:53.29`	`onetwo`	`when we get full AI`
`06:53.47`	`Sozer`	`i mean, i can get the insane ai to work for a coop vs ai gametype`
`06:53.58`	`Sozer`	`but not for coop w/computer allies gametype`
`06:55.17`	`onetwo`	`oh`
`06:55.30`	`Sozer`	`in the game variants menu`
`06:55.36`	`Sozer`	`under the gametype tab`
`06:55.48`	`Sozer`	`put the category to coop vs ai`
`06:55.53`	`Sozer`	`and it lets you select a difficulty`
`06:55.56`	`onetwo`	`cool`
`06:56.33`	`Sozer`	`wait.. maybe if i set alliances w/that gametype using triggers :O`
`06:57.24`	`onetwo`	`lol just hand that in`
`06:57.26`	`onetwo`	`to the AI contest`
`06:57.28`	`onetwo`	`you beat everybody`
`06:57.29`	`onetwo`	`hahah`
`06:57.30`	`Nevir`	`ahah`
`06:58.00`	`Sozer`	`hahahahaha`
`06:58.08`	`Sozer`	`im testing now`
`06:58.20`	`Sozer`	`me and 3 insane comps vs 4 other insane comps`
`06:58.42`	`Sozer`	`crossing my fingers`
`06:58.54`	`Sozer`	`hoping to get my dose of sc2 melle action`
`06:59.10`	`onetwo`	`melle: melee's ugly cousin`
`06:59.55`	`Sozer`	`its not working`
`07:00.03`	`Sozer`	`of course`
`07:00.26`	`Sozer`	`terran ai makes 2 supply depots and a bunker then they make 2 marines and micro`
`07:00.31`	`Sozer`	`...`
`07:03.20`	`Pandepic`	`lol very easy AI`
`07:03.23`	`Sozer`	`ya this AI is insane...ly gay`
`07:03.34`	`Pandepic`	`it kinda just flops around helplessly`
`07:03.40`	`Pandepic`	`until you put it out of it's misery`
`07:03.41`	`onetwo`	`lol`
`07:03.49`	`Sozer`	`i wouldnt even give it a compliment of calling it a flop`
`07:03.52`	`onetwo`	`kind of like battle net 2.0?`
`07:03.54`	`onetwo`	`ZINGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG`
`07:03.55`	`Sozer`	`i dont believe it coudl do something so useful`
`07:03.56`	`onetwo`	`woooooooooooo`
`07:04.01`	`Pandepic`	`icwatudidthar onetwo`
`07:04.30`	`*** join/#sc2mapster Maul (~Tom@CPE-124-184-177-17.lns17.cht.bigpond.net.au)`
`07:06.42`	`Pandepic`	`~seen wacko`
`07:07.18`	`purl`	`wacko is currently on #sc2mapster, last said: 'lol'.`
`07:07.18`	`onetwo`	`~seen Blayzin`
`07:07.19`	`purl`	`blayzin <~chatzilla@ppp-70-243-208-38.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #sc2mapster, 19d 4h 9m 32s ago, saying: 'I never see anyone helping a single person'.`
`07:07.19`	`onetwo`	`~seen mcraider`
`07:07.19`	`purl`	`mcraider <~chatzilla@ppp-70-243-208-37.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #sc2mapster, 19d 2h 19m 27s ago, saying: 'No, because you don't share knowledge of the galaxy editor or help others'.`
`07:07.19`	`onetwo`	`~seen Martul`
`07:07.20`	`purl`	`martul <~chatzilla@unaffiliated/martul> was last seen on IRC in channel #sc2mapster, 11d 6h 1m 26s ago, saying: 'and still no one'.`
`07:07.20`	`onetwo`	`~seen Razernok`
`07:07.21`	`purl`	`razernok <~cvdsaf@adsl-66-140-58-84.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 2d 23h 58m ago, saying: 'btw, i didn't write it'.`
`07:07.21`	`onetwo`	`lets see :D`
`07:07.21`	`Maul`	`i can see`
`07:07.22`	`Maul`	`:\|`
`07:07.35`	`onetwo`	`hahahah`
`07:07.36`	`onetwo`	`so funny`
`07:08.12`	`onetwo`	`the effect of create persistent Martul`
`07:08.15`	`onetwo`	`has a period of 9 days`
`07:08.21`	`onetwo`	`duration: unlimited`
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`07:16.49`	`Sozer`	`hey onetwo`
`07:16.52`	`onetwo`	`yo?`
`07:16.55`	`Sozer`	`i finally believe u now`
`07:17.02`	`Sozer`	`i made a trigger`
`07:17.11`	`Sozer`	`<PROTECTED>`
`07:17.20`	`Sozer`	`annnnd`
`07:17.24`	`Sozer`	`as soon as i start the map`
`07:17.28`	`Sozer`	`error message comes up`
`07:17.35`	`Pandepic`	`lol 5000APM`
`07:17.44`	`Pandepic`	`is it going to move it's 2 marines 5000 times per minute?`
`07:17.58`	`Sozer`	`sais player 2 has reached the end of the aio something... then notes that more AI code coming soon`
`07:17.59`	`onetwo`	`wait`
`07:18.01`	`onetwo`	`believe me on what`
`07:18.22`	`Sozer`	`that it wasnt poss to make comp players actually contain what we human players refer to as ... skill`
`07:18.31`	`onetwo`	`i said that?`
`07:18.41`	`Sozer`	`u said cant do it in editor`
`07:18.50`	`Sozer`	`that ppl are havin competitions for makin an ai`
`07:19.07`	`onetwo`	`oh`
`07:19.07`	`Sozer`	`I HATE NOT HAVING MY MELEE`
`07:19.08`	`onetwo`	`haha`
`07:19.13`	`Sozer`	`DAM U BLIZZ FOR MAKING ME LOVE THIS GAME`
`07:19.50`	`Sozer`	`violently punches a wall`
`07:20.07`	`Pandepic`	`Sozer you should always listen to onetwo, he makes tutorials and doesn't afraid of the data editor`
`07:20.34`	`Sozer`	`oh hes given great advice in the past, and his tower defence tut was awesome... but i didnt WANT to believe him lol`
`07:21.29`	`Sozer`	`now im gonna go crawl up in the fetis position in front of my toilet and await sc2 release`
`07:21.34`	`onetwo`	`you can choose to believe me or not`
`07:21.42`	`onetwo`	`but here in the matrix... i decide who makes it`
`07:21.44`	`onetwo`	`and who doesn't`
`07:21.55`	`Sozer`	`yes, mr anderson`
`07:22.03`	`onetwo`	`no one can tell you who you are`
`07:22.08`	`onetwo`	`you will find out when the time is right`
`07:22.16`	`onetwo`	`the AI are just like us`
`07:22.20`	`onetwo`	`do not be so scared`
`07:22.36`	`onetwo`	`they bleed, we bleed.`
`07:22.51`	`onetwo`	`walks away with trench coat trailing in wind`
`07:24.16`	`Sozer`	`now feels so spiritually enlightened - starts taking classes in philosophy`
`07:24.24`	`onetwo`	`lol`
`07:24.39`	`Sozer`	`im out for the night`
`07:24.44`	`onetwo`	`k bye`
`07:24.48`	`Sozer`	`ty for the attempted, and denied, help`
`07:24.48`	`Sixen`	`Deuces!`
`07:25.00`	`Sixen`	`Oh god. Is that Blayzin?`
`07:25.00`	`Sozer`	`:D`
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`07:25.05`	`onetwo`	`is it?`
`07:25.09`	`Sixen`	`Oh no, it's a smiley face`
`07:25.11`	`Sixen`	`Guess not.`
`07:25.13`	`onetwo`	`lol`
`07:25.18`	`Sozer`	`huh?`
`07:25.22`	`Sixen`	`Nothing :)`
`07:25.27`	`Sozer`	`lol`
`07:25.31`	`onetwo`	`Sixen has become like the insane`
`07:25.32`	`onetwo`	`wizard`
`07:25.35`	`onetwo`	`who mutters to himself`
`07:25.39`	`Sixen`	`:P`
`07:25.39`	`onetwo`	`and sees things`
`07:25.45`	`onetwo`	`"IS THAT BLAYZIN?"`
`07:25.46`	`Sixen`	`It's true :(`
`07:25.48`	`onetwo`	`just a ghost`
`07:26.07`	`Sozer`	`calls a burelesque queen to put him to bed`
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`07:27.44`	`onetwo`	`bye`
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`07:33.22`	`BoltHead`	`Hello =)`
`07:37.26`	`Dkrchris`	`whats up there bolthead`
`07:43.51`	`Dkrchris`	`i dont get it i changed a Supply Depot's model to a chai n linked fence, it lowers, stays a fence, but when i raise it , turns back to a depot`
`07:45.04`	`BoltHead`	`i had a similer thing happen with a command center`
`07:45.33`	`Dkrchris`	`whats up with that`
`07:45.34`	`BoltHead`	`i think you have to edit the skill`
`07:45.53`	`Dkrchris`	`i had a command center as a fence take off and land perfectly`
`07:46.00`	`BoltHead`	`so it replaces the compressed supplydepo with the edited one instead`
`07:46.21`	`BoltHead`	`thats my guess I didn't really look into fixing mine cause i was just fooling around and gave and SCV liftoff`
`07:47.46`	`Dkrchris`	`xD`
`07:47.51`	`Dkrchris`	`did it work?`
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`07:52.20`	`Coding_Newb`	`I accidentally deleted something in my data editor, and now my photon cannon damage panel is not showing (when you put your mouse over it tells you how much dmg tower does). Does anyone know what i need to duplicate to get it back? or what the data type is called?`
`07:53.26`	`Coding_Newb`	`any help would be appreciated`
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`07:54.04`	`Maul`	`is there a way to lock your maps without using the publish feature?`
`07:54.21`	`3ICE	`sure, mpq editing`
`07:54.41`	`Coding_Newb`	`I accidentally deleted something in my data editor, and now my photon cannon damage panel is not showing (when you put your mouse over it tells you how much dmg tower does). Does anyone know what i need to duplicate to get it back? or what the data type is called?`
`07:55.23`	`Maul`	`if you havent done too much work on it you can right click on the unit and restore it to parent`
`07:55.51`	`Coding_Newb`	`hmm..thanks ill do that :)`
`07:57.18`	`Maul`	`how do you do that 3ICE?`
`07:58.05`	`3ICE	`Maul basically you get an mpq editor and delete some editor-critical files from a copy of your map.`
`07:58.10`	`3ICE	`for example triggers`
`07:58.22`	`3ICE	`then it will not be openable in the editor anymore`
`07:58.29`	`3ICE	`at least triggers won't show up*`
`07:58.42`	`Maul`	`ah i see`
`07:58.42`	`Maul`	`ty`
`07:58.54`	`3ICE	`oph and make sure you don't wreck your original map, because protection protects it from everyone, including you :)`
`07:59.17`	`Maul`	`haha yeah im always backing up all over my hard drives`
`07:59.28`	`Coding_Newb`	`is there any way i can resize the map size? i wouldnt want to lose all my work ...`
`07:59.41`	`Maul`	`Map > Map Bounds`
`07:59.48`	`Maul`	`from the top menu`
`08:00.04`	`Maul`	`changing the map size cant be undone though so backup first`
`08:00.47`	`Coding_Newb`	`gotcha`
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`08:05.04`	`Sixen`	`Hai ice`
`08:06.04`	`3ICE	`hi`
`08:06.31`	`Coding_Newb`	`hey, is there a quick way to duplicate the map and paste it onto a resized map`
`08:06.42`	`3ICE	`just resize the original`
`08:07.12`	`3ICE	`Map --> Map Bounds --> check the checkbox that says resize map and then click the little arrows`
`08:07.31`	`Coding_Newb`	`yea i did that, but now i want to copy what i have and duplicate it for multiple players`
`08:07.49`	`3ICE	`i think we still have a map size limitation, like only map sizes divisible by 4 are allowed or something`
`08:08.08`	`3ICE	`oh, you can copy/paste terrain just like any other object (units doodads)`
`08:08.26`	`Coding_Newb`	`since i already have a layout of player 1 terrain (TD), i would like to duplicate for player 2, 3, 4 etc..`
`08:08.47`	`3ICE	`terrain palette --> press spacebar --> highlight --> copy --> paste`
`08:09.11`	`3ICE	`it helps to view --> view entire map`
`08:09.15`	`3ICE	`to zoom you out :)`
`08:09.25`	`Coding_Newb`	`ahh thanks a lot 3ICE... just started with the editor =]`
`08:09.25`	`3ICE	`./afk`
`08:09.28`	`3ICE	`np np`
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`08:12.50`	`Madkipz`	`Document dependency header file is not avaiable: Teams 01 (mod) / Liberty Multi (mod) , tried resetting teams and fiddled with the dependency section. what am i doing wrong xD`
`08:13.36`	`Nevir`	`As of the last few patches, I've been getting that as well with custom mods :-/`
`08:13.59`	`Nevir`	`Or it fails to load triggers`
`08:16.23`	`Madkipz`	`so i can safely assume that there is no way to fix it before phase two beta?`
`08:18.51`	`Nevir`	`Not sure what the cause is - can probably get around it somehow`
`08:37.25`	`Madkipz`	`i tried going to Map > Team Placement (Advanced) and remove any teams there. You may also need to go to Team Placement (Basic) and hit "Reset to Defaults." but still get the Document dependency header file error.Anyone have time to lend a hand?`
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`08:43.26`	`Olat`	`has any one made any Flag Models or anything for a CTF Game?`
`08:44.11`	`3ICE	`You could use a resized beacon (temp solution)`
`08:45.03`	`Olat`	`ya I was thinking of scaling something just didnt know what. Thanks ill give that a look`
`08:45.33`	`3ICE	`np np`
`08:46.40`	`Olat`	`what about a point Defense drone that follows a player when picked up ?`
`08:47.06`	`Olat`	`Is it easy to attach 1 unit to another for flag carrying.. Im just trying to think of game modes for Marine Arena and wanted to work on this one`
`08:47.24`	`ZeroAme`	`Anyone know wtf is with this?`
`08:47.24`	`ZeroAme`	`http://forums.sc2mapster.com/mapping-utilities/editor-bugs-and-feedback/3470-xil-manmade-cliffs-model-missing-o_o/`
`08:49.52`	`Olat`	`<--- not a terrain guy.. Sorry`
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`08:53.50`	`alp82`	`Helral\|sleepzzzz`
`08:53.59`	`alp82`	`still sleeping i guess ^^`
`08:54.01`	`3ICE	`shh, don't wake him.`
`08:55.35`	`mikelat1`	`hey, I have an interesting problem: I want a neutral building to not be able to attack when a player gets close (they are treated as allies). I currently have it set up as a debuff, where it's supposed to autocast on itself to debuff itself when someone gets close... but yet it never does it properly. Anyone want to try to have a look and give me a hand?`
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`09:00.26`	`Olat`	`Is there a trigger to see if a unit is 'Right CLICKED' on.. I wanna make it so a player must be in melee range and right click on the Flag to pick it up... Only trigger I see is 'Unit is Clicked'`
`09:01.47`	`3ICE	`make the flag an item`
`09:01.52`	`3ICE	`and use the event: item is picked up`
`09:02.52`	`Olat`	`ok, not a big fan of the Data Editor yet... its massive and i havent conquered learning it... So I know its gunna be noobish.. but where in the Data Editor can I change the Point Defense Drone I made as the flag.. an Item`
`09:04.10`	`3ICE	`you will need to duplicate the point def drone actor`
`09:04.15`	`Olat`	`did that`
`09:04.35`	`3ICE	`i gotta check something-.- hold on`
`09:04.39`	`Olat`	`k`
`09:04.52`	`3ICE	`my guess is, items work the same way untis do, so you assign the acotr to the item`
`09:05.02`	`3ICE	`gotta check that`
`09:05.10`	`Olat`	`how do i make an item?`
`09:05.29`	`3ICE	`data editor --> items`
`09:06.26`	`Olat`	`you mean a Doodad? I dont see any 'Items' in the data editor... I got units actors behavior effects buttons and abilities`
`09:06.43`	`3ICE	`and how did you get those?`
`09:06.57`	`3ICE	`you use the same method for opening the items tab`
`09:07.02`	`Olat`	`TBH I dont remember...`
`09:07.15`	`3ICE	`look above the tabs`
`09:07.29`	`3ICE	`Data Type: [DROPDOWN LIST] and click no the list`
`09:07.34`	`3ICE	`and find items`
`09:07.34`	`Olat`	`aww`
`09:07.36`	`Olat`	`the drop down`
`09:07.36`	`3ICE	`:)`
`09:07.38`	`Olat`	`got it!`
`09:07.41`	`ZeroAme`	`so i guess in blizzard removed xil manmade cliffs. everyone i ask doesnt have them anymore`
`09:08.13`	`3ICE	`blizzard decided xil is too harsh for humans to make cliffs on`
`09:08.32`	`3ICE	`i mean there is no way to support life on xil, not even in space-domes`
`09:08.40`	`ZeroAme`	`lol`
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`09:11.28`	`3ICE	`Olat items need item containers not actors`
`09:11.45`	`3ICE	`so multiple items can use the same container. Yay!`
`09:12.00`	`3ICE	`oh wait`
`09:12.05`	`3ICE	`nvm container = inventory`
`09:13.40`	`Olat`	`So if I made an Item.. I dont need the Point Drone Copy?`
`09:13.40`	`Olat`	`I can just use its model?`
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`09:13.40`	`3ICE	`i have noo idea. :)`
`09:13.40`	`ZeroAme`	`Is there anyway at all to place a manmade cliff ontop of a organic cliff?`
`09:13.40`	`Olat`	`lol... Ya.. I dont either im trying to work it out now`
`09:13.55`	`Madkipz`	`yes there is, but dont know how`
`09:13.58`	`Madkipz`	`blizzard did it`
`09:13.59`	`3ICE	`ZeroAme just keep them as manmade. next patch will have those fixed`
`09:14.08`	`3ICE	`...or not`
`09:14.36`	`Clord`	`awesomely stated as fact with changed of menaing second line`
`09:14.37`	`Clord`	`XD`
`09:14.40`	`Clord`	`meaning...`
`09:14.49`	`ZeroAme`	`Im using tarsonis now but like i mean i want to have like raised organic cliffs(lvl1) and then ontop of them(lvl2) manmade cliffs.`
`09:15.16`	`3ICE	`yeah that is possible i remember doing it`
`09:15.29`	`3ICE	`there is an option for allowing cliff types to merge`
`09:15.38`	`3ICE	`...find it.`
`09:15.43`	`ZeroAme`	`>_<\`
`09:15.45`	`3ICE	`:)`
`09:15.49`	`ZeroAme`	`hmm`
`09:15.55`	`3ICE	`i'd find it 4 ya but my editor crashes in terain view`
`09:16.21`	`ZeroAme`	`im looking`
`09:16.33`	`3ICE	`(it isnt in preferences)`
`09:17.01`	`ZeroAme`	`lol kk`
`09:17.07`	`ZeroAme`	`any idea where it might be?`
`09:17.14`	`3ICE	`terrain view, main menu`
`09:17.22`	`3ICE	`probably view`
`09:18.15`	`alp82`	`damn i still dont get all the problems i'm producing with the data editor`
`09:18.22`	`Olat`	`damn I cant find how to make my Actor or unit a Container.. or how the hell to pick up a flag`
`09:18.40`	`3ICE	`Olat there are tutorials on how to create items`
`09:19.02`	`Olat`	`3ICE if i knew how to whisper i would lol... but ya im looking to see if Beider has one`
`09:19.04`	`Olat`	`but he doesnt`
`09:19.14`	`3ICE	`whisper?`
`09:19.20`	`3ICE	`oh i don't respond to private mnessages`
`09:19.24`	`3ICE	`get too many...`
`09:19.28`	`Olat`	`lol`
`09:19.40`	`Olat`	`is that what the red name means is a shiwper?`
`09:19.45`	`Olat`	`whisper *`
`09:19.46`	`Clord`	`lol but he said he does not even know how`
`09:19.53`	`Clord`	`XD`
`09:19.58`	`3ICE	`basically doubleclick my name`
`09:20.13`	`Clord`	`mirc ftw`
`09:20.16`	`3ICE	or /msg `3ICE <message>
`09:20.24`	`3ICE	or /query `3ICE
`09:20.27`	`Olat`	`im not using MIRC im using the web based shit`
`09:20.40`	`3ICE	`web base shit has right click too :)`
`09:20.45`	`3ICE	`+d`
`09:20.54`	`ZeroAme`	`tools > brush > allow cliff merging`
`09:20.59`	`3ICE	`yay!`
`09:20.59`	`JamesObscura`	`Is there a better way to make a cinematic then making the camera move from region to region? There's the cinematic type, but I don't know what it's for or how to set things in it.`
`09:21.21`	`JamesObscura`	`*move from camera to camera`
`09:21.25`	`3ICE	`JamesObscura what do you need?`
`09:21.53`	`3ICE	`you can mvoe camera from unit to unit too btw`
`09:22.07`	`3ICE	`or attack camera to unit and order the unit to walk around`
`09:22.10`	`3ICE	`attach*`
`09:22.18`	`JamesObscura`	`I'm messing around with cinematics in my map and atm I have a bunch of camera objects set up on the map and I just apply each one in sequence, but I noticed there's an actual cinematic object, but I don't know what it's for.`
`09:22.32`	`3ICE	`yeah... me neither. :)`
`09:23.19`	`Olat`	`I bet you the cinematic object can follow a path and then you attach your camera to it`
`09:23.30`	`Olat`	`and so Your camera would follow that exact path made by the object?`
`09:23.42`	`3ICE	`yeah with Cinematics - Run Cinematic for (All players), and Wait until done`
`09:24.04`	`JamesObscura`	`But you can't really do anything with a cinematic variable.`
`09:24.09`	`3ICE	`Cinematic right there is a cinematic object created in the cinematic object editor`
`09:24.17`	`JamesObscura`	`You can do something related to data tables but idk.`
`09:24.31`	`JamesObscura`	`Cinematic object editor?`
`09:25.33`	`JamesObscura`	`Woah... Didn't know this existed... gonna play around with it for a bit.`
`09:25.36`	`Olat`	`Fucking a.. there is a guy explaining items and inventory but in XML...`
`09:25.58`	`3ICE	`there is a cinematics window`
`09:26.00`	`3ICE	`in the editor`
`09:26.19`	`Pandepic`	`so bored of writing this tutorial`
`09:26.24`	`3ICE	`Olat xml is much cleaner than the data editor :)`
`09:26.25`	`Pandepic`	`3ICE, inspire me!`
`09:26.31`	`3ICE	`inspires Pandepic`
`09:26.35`	`JamesObscura`	`3ICE, it looks like it does exactly what my triggers do except a lot more simply... I had a lot of loops so that the cinematic would effect each player.
`09:26.36`	`Pandepic`	`=D`
`09:26.39`	`Pandepic`	`falls asleep`
`09:26.45`	`JamesObscura`	`This is much better, thank you.`
`09:26.52`	`3ICE	`plays loud alarm for Pandepic.`
`09:26.56`	`3ICE	`np np`
`09:27.03`	`Pandepic`	`=O`
`09:27.09`	`Pandepic`	`5 more minutes`
`09:27.14`	`Olat`	`#3ICE it may be but i dunno how to import XML in and out.. ive been working on maps for like 3 days now. Just started helping Crayon add some modes to his MArine Arena, made a simple TD map and im learning on the fly`
`09:27.24`	`JamesObscura`	`Olat, http://www.sc2mapster.com/api-docs/getting-started-with-galaxy-edit/complete-hero/ this tutorial has stuff about inventory and items in it.`
`09:27.55`	`Olat`	`TY James. this might help me alot`
`09:28.02`	`JamesObscura`	`np`
`09:28.09`	`3ICE	`im gonan read that too`
`09:28.44`	`JamesObscura`	`It's incredibly in depth. It's true to it's word when it says it's a complete hero tutorial.`
`09:29.07`	`3ICE	`it was updated with a lot of info reently.`
`09:29.10`	`Olat`	`Arent they supposed to release a hero editor or some shit when the Release of SC2 comes out ?`
`09:29.15`	`3ICE	`last time i read it it didnt have items inventories etc`
`09:29.22`	`3ICE	`Olat nope`
`09:29.43`	`3ICE	`heroes are in the game already`
`09:31.18`	`3ICE	`so items' model is controlld by units`
`09:31.19`	`3ICE	`good to know`
`09:31.27`	`JamesObscura`	`Olat, They probably wont add much to the galaxy editor, but I'm sure someone will build a 3rd party hero creator.`
`09:31.42`	`Olat`	`Cool.`
`09:31.49`	`3ICE	`we'll prolly have a copyable hero`
`09:31.51`	`3ICE	`in the editor`
`09:31.55`	`3ICE	`./afk Killing a tree`
`09:31.55`	`Olat`	`this is gunna help me tons James. TY for this link`
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`09:32.03`	`Olat`	`that mean taking a shit?`
`09:32.09`	`JamesObscura`	`Well yeah... At the very least we'll get all the heroes from campaign.`
`09:32.39`	`JamesObscura`	`Olat, no problem, it helped me out a lot with creating heroes... It's the only tutorial I've found that goes over everything.`
`09:33.11`	`Olat`	`Like i just need a hero im gunna make that is like a buffed Marine. Carry a Flag`
`09:33.17`	`Olat`	`Youve played Marine Arena right ?`
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`09:33.47`	`3ICE	`killing a tree means picking up a saw and sawing at the tree until it dies...`
`09:34.04`	`3ICE	`we had a big storm last week and some trees need to be cut down and im the one who has to do it`
`09:34.10`	`Clord`	`COOL crash happened XD`
`09:34.42`	`3ICE	`one of the trees fell on our garage, i cleaned that up last week`
`09:35.19`	`Olat`	`lol.. its like 5:35 am where i am`
`09:35.22`	`Olat`	`thats why i was like WTF`
`09:35.32`	`Pandepic`	`marine arena is so imbalanced`
`09:35.33`	`Clord`	`suddenly game crash, windows crash.. black screen..... fans go to max speed`
`09:35.33`	`Clord`	`XD`
`09:35.51`	`Clord`	`emergency shut down needed for recover lol`
`09:36.08`	`Pandepic`	`if just one team is bad it messes up the balance of the whole game for another team`
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`09:36.12`	`Olat`	`Pandepic, how do ?`
`09:36.14`	`Olat`	`how so?`
`09:36.22`	`Olat`	`1 bad team doesnt mean the end of the game`
`09:36.27`	`Pandepic`	`it usually does`
`09:36.31`	`Pandepic`	`unless the other teams are also bad`
`09:36.58`	`Pandepic`	`also last time I played there was no reason to buy anything except marine upgrades`
`09:37.02`	`JamesObscura`	`Olat, are you the creator of marine arena or are your doing a remix?`
`09:37.11`	`Pandepic`	`Crayon created it`
`09:37.18`	`JamesObscura`	`Ah.`
`09:37.37`	`Olat`	`Im helping Crayon`
`09:37.39`	`JamesObscura`	`Also: Marine upgrades were rigged.`
`09:37.50`	`Olat`	`He just invited me to work with him on the Updates and different game modes`
`09:37.50`	`Pandepic`	`yeah marines just destroy everything`
`09:37.52`	`JamesObscura`	`They got better though.`
`09:37.56`	`Pandepic`	`buying mercs is just feeding money to people`
`09:38.09`	`Olat`	`Lol Pan when was the last time you played?`
`09:38.23`	`Olat`	`Marine Upgrades are still good, but Mercs and heroes got a real boost and are damn good`
`09:38.24`	`Pandepic`	`not that long ago I think, not sure which version it was`
`09:38.33`	`Olat`	`He needs to nerf the Hellions`
`09:38.41`	`Olat`	`the hellions he changed to get a bonus to light and bio`
`09:38.46`	`Olat`	`so they rape everything early game`
`09:38.47`	`Pandepic`	`hellions last time I played were big time feeding`
`09:38.56`	`JamesObscura`	`I used the colossus extensively. With proper micro it was invincible.`
`09:39.05`	`Olat`	`Ya, Well today I added in a Squad Mode`
`09:39.07`	`Pandepic`	`unless you don't get any armor`
`09:39.10`	`JamesObscura`	`Idk how recent the last version I played was though.`
`09:39.18`	`Pandepic`	`the main problem with the game though`
`09:39.24`	`Olat`	`Basically it caps your Marines and your Mercs. so you cant just amass your units`
`09:39.25`	`Pandepic`	`is that when you have 3 competent teams and one bad team`
`09:39.29`	`Pandepic`	`it messes the game up`
`09:39.38`	`Olat`	`Marines get capped at 40 and the mercs get capped at 20`
`09:39.42`	`Pandepic`	`that sounds interesting Olat`
`09:39.44`	`Olat`	`So this makes you Micro alot more`
`09:39.56`	`Olat`	`No more getting 100000 units and just sending them to die`
`09:40.08`	`Pandepic`	`micro kinda dies to superios upgrades though`
`09:40.18`	`Pandepic`	`superior*`
`09:40.18`	`Olat`	`Micro is how you get them though`
`09:40.30`	`Olat`	`In the start of the game i micro and kill off people trying to destroy the terrain`
`09:40.44`	`Olat`	`i get like enough kills to get Zealots or Zerg and rape Marine face`
`09:40.49`	`Pandepic`	`ah lol`
`09:41.04`	`Pandepic`	`I remember when mercs used to spawn for the wrong player`
`09:41.29`	`Olat`	`ya we fixxed alot of issues. Im trying to get more different modes implemented`
`09:41.33`	`Olat`	`I got CTF in the Works`
`09:41.43`	`Olat`	`Each team has a flag.. and you have to cap it 10 times to win`
`09:41.47`	`Pandepic`	`ah`
`09:41.48`	`Olat`	`thats why i want this item container thing`
`09:42.02`	`Pandepic`	`I'm kinda over those type of maps`
`09:42.07`	`Pandepic`	`too much lag for my PC`
`09:42.16`	`Olat`	`Squad Mode wouldnt lag you at all`
`09:42.25`	`Olat`	`and he had alot of excess triggers im trying to clean up`
`09:42.52`	`Pandepic`	`the worst map was OMFG the zerglings`
`09:42.56`	`Pandepic`	`that lag was terrible`
`09:43.07`	`Olat`	`lol`
`09:43.13`	`Olat`	`Nah any of those Evolve Maps`
`09:43.18`	`Olat`	`they suck to begin with`
`09:43.29`	`Pandepic`	`lol there's a lot of lazy custom maps`
`09:43.32`	`Olat`	`and 2.. after taking like 5 nodes you spanwed like 10000 units`
`09:43.34`	`Pandepic`	`that are just basically a create unit trigger`
`09:43.37`	`Pandepic`	`and stock units`
`09:43.40`	`Olat`	`yup`
`09:44.13`	`Olat`	`Im trying to make Marine Arena have many game modes and make it versatile.. it will be fun in different game modes for different people`
`09:44.23`	`Olat`	`one that i wanna make is 3 headed Hydra`
`09:44.23`	`Pandepic`	`I'm sure it'll be fun`
`09:44.27`	`Olat`	`if you played MTG`
`09:44.27`	`Pandepic`	`not really my kind of map though`
`09:44.43`	`JamesObscura`	`Olat, lol 2-headed giant format?`
`09:44.48`	`Olat`	`ya James`
`09:44.49`	`Pandepic`	`I like phantom bgh`
`09:44.50`	`JamesObscura`	`Nice.`
`09:44.54`	`JamesObscura`	`Pandepic, me too.`
`09:44.59`	`Olat`	`But the third CC is the main one`
`09:45.00`	`Pandepic`	`but it's too easy for the phantom`
`09:45.04`	`JamesObscura`	`It was funner in SC1 imo.`
`09:45.05`	`Olat`	`and unless the front 2 CC's are dea`
`09:45.10`	`Olat`	`you cant attack the back one`
`09:45.15`	`Pandepic`	`there's no way the phantom can lose unless they are bad`
`09:45.26`	`Olat`	`I REALLY like the Zealot Vs predator map`
`09:45.33`	`Olat`	`BUT then I died and lost all my upgrades`
`09:45.34`	`Pandepic`	`never tried zealot vs predator`
`09:45.37`	`JamesObscura`	`I haven't played that one.`
`09:45.42`	`Olat`	`and the Ghost just kept running away`
`09:45.47`	`Pandepic`	`I played phantom bgh with some guy`
`09:45.50`	`Olat`	`and like 1 shotting people`
`09:45.53`	`Pandepic`	`who every game made like 100 ghost academies`
`09:45.57`	`Pandepic`	`and just nuked random bases`
`09:46.02`	`Pandepic`	`with like 10 nukes at a time`
`09:46.03`	`JamesObscura`	`lol`
`09:46.13`	`Pandepic`	`you would just hear "nuclear launch detected"`
`09:46.14`	`JamesObscura`	`I used to play zerg and just go 400+ overseers.`
`09:46.18`	`Pandepic`	`and hald a base would vanish from the minimap`
`09:46.20`	`Pandepic`	`half*`
`09:46.28`	`JamesObscura`	`Surprisingly effective in combat too.`
`09:46.30`	`Pandepic`	`lol`
`09:46.33`	`Pandepic`	`infested terrans?`
`09:46.37`	`JamesObscura`	`Yeaaah`
`09:46.39`	`JamesObscura`	`It was great.`
`09:46.46`	`Pandepic`	`I just mass carriers`
`09:46.48`	`Pandepic`	`=P`
`09:46.59`	`Pandepic`	`carriers are 2cool`
`09:47.35`	`Pandepic`	`ok time to start writing out all these quests`
`09:47.43`	`Pandepic`	`so bored of that tutorial`
`09:47.55`	`Olat`	`Lol.. I gotta make my Hero and Flag Item`
`09:48.27`	`Pandepic`	`I'm drawing out a battle plan on my whiteboard and linking quests into it`
`09:48.54`	`Pandepic`	`can't believe nobody did an RPG like this before`
`09:48.57`	`Pandepic`	`it's so much fun`
`09:50.04`	`Pandepic`	`what game modes are you adding Olat?`
`09:52.07`	`ZeroAme`	`Is there an event to detect when a unit come close to a doodad? Im not seeing one so just checking if anyone has found a way to do this without points or regions`
`09:53.41`	`Pandepic`	`you'll probably have to use a region`
`09:54.18`	`ZeroAme`	`Ya thats what im thinking`
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`09:55.12`	`RainGame`	`allo people`
`09:58.25`	`ZeroAme`	`ello`
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`09:59.03`	`JamesObscura`	`Doodads are weird... I can't find anyway to fully delete them... even the remove doodad trigger doesn't remove the footprint.`
`10:00.32`	`Olat`	`Pandepic, CTF, Steal the Bacon, Squad Mode, King of the Hill, Mineral Race( first to save to 10k Minerals.. do you save or spend on upgrades)`
`10:00.47`	`Pandepic`	`bacon? =O!`
`10:01.02`	`Olat`	`its like CTF but there is 1 flag and it spawns in the middle of the map`
`10:01.10`	`Olat`	`so every 1 fights for that 1 flag`
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`10:05.21`	`Pandepic`	`no bacon? =(`
`10:07.16`	`RainGame`	`james`
`10:07.26`	`RainGame`	`send an actor message to the doodad with Destroy`
`10:07.40`	`JamesObscura`	`Bleh... Cameras are so annoying... So to restore my camera after a applying a camera object I'm making a copy of the default game camera and moving that, but when I set it to that camera the camera is the wrong way around.`
`10:08.02`	`JamesObscura`	`RainGame, Oh yeah that will probably work... Thanks.`
`10:08.26`	`RainGame`	`np`
`10:09.15`	`ZeroAme`	`So Im attepting to make a door system and this is what Im trying and it doesn't work so I'm wondering if anyone has any ideas how to make this work.`
`10:09.26`	`ZeroAme`	`dorm_1 open`
`10:09.28`	`ZeroAme`	`Events`
`10:09.30`	`ZeroAme`	`Unit - Any Unit Enters dormDoor_1`
`10:09.32`	`ZeroAme`	`Local Variables`
`10:09.34`	`ZeroAme`	`Conditions`
`10:09.36`	`ZeroAme`	`Actions`
`10:09.38`	`ZeroAme`	`Unit - Order (Unit attached to dormDoor_1) to (Supply Depot - Lower (Supply Depot)) (Replace Existing Orders)`
`10:12.24`	`JamesObscura`	`Hmm... does it work when you refer to the unit specifically?`
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`10:20.18`	`ZeroAme`	`@James yes that works, wish there was a more general way to do it.`
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`10:20.34`	`Darkparasit`	`hi, anyone knows what option i have to change to allow multiple medivacs heal 1 target? :)`
`10:21.17`	`3ICE	`you cant just change tarets=1 to targets=5`
`10:21.20`	`3ICE	`more work is involved`
`10:21.24`	`3ICE	`btw i killed the tree :)`
`10:21.33`	`3ICE	`and i am exhaused now...`
`10:21.37`	`3ICE	`*t`
`10:22.14`	`Darkparasit`	`kk i will try thx`
`10:22.47`	`3ICE	`try what?`
`10:23.03`	`3ICE	`I didn't tell you anything specific :)`
`10:23.14`	`Darkparasit`	`to find target = 1^^`
`10:23.19`	`JamesObscura`	`lol`
`10:23.24`	`JamesObscura`	`He's saying you can't do that.`
`10:23.29`	`JamesObscura`	`It's more complicated then that.`
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`10:23.41`	`Darkparasit`	`ah ok^^`
`10:24.13`	`JamesObscura`	`Personally I can't think off the top of my head how to do it...`
`10:24.20`	`JamesObscura`	`I'll think about it though.`
`10:24.35`	`RainGame`	`for the medivacs... dont you just go to the effect`
`10:24.43`	`RainGame`	`for the validators, take off no markers`
`10:24.45`	`RainGame`	`that should do it`
`10:25.30`	`JamesObscura`	`Hmm...`
`10:25.39`	`JamesObscura`	`Yeah it might, I'll test it real quick`
`10:26.28`	`Darkparasit`	`nice it works thx :D`
`10:26.42`	`RainGame`	`np mate`
`10:27.32`	`Darkparasit`	`juste a little bug the + + symbols stay for ever on the unit after healing g`
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`10:30.22`	`ZeroAme`	`Is there a way to remove decals from units?`
`10:30.45`	`RainGame`	`hmm`
`10:30.49`	`RainGame`	`well i dunno about that :\`
`10:31.05`	`ZeroAme`	`they are visually annoying for my rpg`
`10:31.12`	`RainGame`	`i just no that markers are used to tell which units have been or are being affected by stuff`
`10:31.22`	`RainGame`	`know*`
`10:31.42`	`ZeroAme`	`hmmm`
`10:32.13`	`Olat`	`JAmes`
`10:32.55`	`Olat`	`Im following this tutorial and im trying to make the speed CHarm... When I make the Item: Speed charm. and it says to set the Stats - Item: to Speed charm... When I try to do that and i click the dropdown... there is nothing to select`
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`10:38.54`	`JamesObscura`	`Olat, Hmm... did you do this part: "After this Load up Data Type Items and add a new object, Set its name to Speed Charm and suggest, Leave Item Type at Generic, choose Item Class MiscClass and hit ok. Thanks to the Editor being smart, most fields we need are filled in for us, all you need to add is an Equip Behavior, Modify its value and add the Speed Charm Behavior."?`
`10:39.11`	`Olat`	`I did`
`10:39.18`	`JamesObscura`	`Hmm... That is strange.`
`10:39.31`	`Olat`	`Im looking at my item right now`
`10:39.38`	`Olat`	`class : Misc Class`
`10:39.47`	`Olat`	`Equip Behaviors: Speedcharm`
`10:40.26`	`JamesObscura`	`I'd try saving and reopening your map... Sometimes things don't show up for me.`
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`10:40.52`	`Olat`	`Just tried that`
`10:42.14`	`Olat`	`ya.. I dunno WTH, i followed it step by step and so far ive gotten everything o work.. but i get nothing when I try to link the unit Stats - Item to the speed charm item..`
`10:43.24`	`JamesObscura`	`That's really weird.`
`10:44.57`	`Olat`	`ya, I dunno what to do to fix it either. and im like ugh. I was going so well just trucking through it`
`10:49.37`	`Olat`	`lol... well i deleted the old item`
`10:49.38`	`Olat`	`and remade it`
`10:49.40`	`Olat`	`and it works`
`10:49.47`	`Olat`	`shrug`
`10:50.16`	`JamesObscura`	`Yeah, galaxy editor still needs some work.`
`10:50.43`	`JamesObscura`	`I have problems like that occasionally as well.`
`10:51.01`	`Olat`	`well now i cant see my speed charm actor`
`10:51.09`	`Olat`	`I picked Zergling and I dont see it when I add one to the map`
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`10:52.36`	`Olat`	`stupid TokenID giot messed up.. ya this editor i hope gets the bugs worked out`
`10:59.29`	`3ICE	`how funny... i created hundreds of units and such problems never happen to me`
`11:00.14`	`Olat`	`Its when you duplicate them`
`11:00.16`	`Olat`	`I dunno`
`11:00.24`	`Olat`	`Doesnt matter. My Hero Class and Inventory works...`
`11:00.51`	`Olat`	`im fucking ecstatic about that.. soo cool`
`11:01.45`	`Olat`	`Alrighty, with that done and squared away.. Im going to bed. You guys have a good night`
`11:01.50`	`Olat`	`Thanks for the help`
`11:02.43`	`3ICE	`np np`
`11:10.00`	`zrbecker`	`Can you change a models color from within galaxy editor or do you have to use a seperate program to do that?`
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`11:39.22`	`Wihl`	`Anyone here that makes a lot of melee maps?`
`11:40.20`	`Wihl`	`Wondering how big of an issue ramps really are, realised that my map has quite a few <.< most of them are 2 or 3 times as wide as a normal base ramp`
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`11:52.22`	`ZeroAme`	`Hey sleepy heads`
`11:52.45`	`ZeroAme`	`I need help with a loop for a WASD movement`
`11:53.03`	`ZeroAme`	`Ive got this trigger`
`11:53.05`	`ZeroAme`	`MoveForwardKeyDown`
`11:53.07`	`ZeroAme`	`Events`
`11:53.09`	`ZeroAme`	`UI - Player 1 presses W key Down with shift Allow, control Allow, alt Allow`
`11:53.11`	`ZeroAme`	`Local Variables`
`11:53.13`	`ZeroAme`	`Conditions`
`11:53.15`	`ZeroAme`	`Actions`
`11:53.17`	`ZeroAme`	`Unit - Order Player to ( Move targeting ((Position of Player) offset by 1.0 towards (Camera Yaw of Player(1)) degrees)) (Replace Existing Orders)`
`11:53.30`	`ZeroAme`	`Problem is it only moves the unit once`
`11:53.40`	`ZeroAme`	`I have to press key over and over to make it move`
`11:53.51`	`ZeroAme`	`how can I make it so I only have to hold it down?`
`11:54.05`	`zrbecker`	`You should watch OneTwoSC tutorial Camera and Controls. Its on youtube.`
`11:54.18`	`zrbecker`	`There is another way to do it, but its kind of long to explain`
`11:54.54`	`ZeroAme`	`Im folowing Kylegar's tutorial`
`11:55.03`	`ZeroAme`	`and he origanlly has it in a loop`
`11:55.20`	`ZeroAme`	`but it lags and causes and error everytime I use`
`11:55.49`	`exxor`	`so then follow the other tutorial :p`
`11:56.30`	`zrbecker`	`Yeah, or use a library that already does it for you. heh. I think OneTwoSC's works pretty well, and it is really easy to understand.`
`11:56.42`	`ZeroAme`	`ya im watching it right now`
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`11:57.07`	`zrbecker`	`It is kind of long because he also does the mouse look in it, but never hurts to learn more than you need.`
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`12:05.26`	`ZeroAme`	`Hey, boolean is all i needed`
`12:06.03`	`exxor`	`anyone know how to display a progress bar for a unit?`
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`12:17.26`	`Demonette`	`has someone until jet created an own splat cursor?`
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`12:20.51`	`3ICE	`Demonette splat cursors can be easily changed to anything`
`12:21.04`	`3ICE	`not sure if that's the correct term for them though :)`
`12:21.07`	`ZeroAme`	`Bla`
`12:21.13`	`3ICE	`rgh!`
`12:21.22`	`ZeroAme`	`3ICE help!1!`
`12:21.24`	`ZeroAme`	`lol`
`12:21.25`	`3ICE	`okay`
`12:21.40`	`3ICE	`I will help you!!!!1111oneone111eleven!!!`
`12:21.44`	`ZeroAme`	`Im working on a WASD movement and i got W to work fine and dandy`
`12:22.01`	`3ICE	`just use an already made wasd system`
`12:22.05`	`ZeroAme`	`and then I added in S and it worked but then i combined the move trigger and now it doesnt work at all`
`12:22.23`	`3ICE	`s means stop`
`12:22.25`	`ZeroAme`	`but mine is unique`
`12:22.41`	`3ICE	`unselect the unit you are controlling`
`12:22.41`	`ZeroAme`	`no i made it so S moves unit -1 offset of camera yaw`
`12:22.48`	`3ICE	`oh, use -50`
`12:22.51`	`3ICE	`boom`
`12:23.00`	`ZeroAme`	`that would be tooo far`
`12:23.03`	`3ICE	`-1 is probably a special value, like "do not change" :)`
`12:23.09`	`ZeroAme`	`and ive disabled all the selections and such`
`12:23.14`	`3ICE	`use -5 just to see if it does anything`
`12:23.33`	`3ICE	`btw facing of unit is too hard?`
`12:23.35`	`ZeroAme`	`well when i first implimented it it worked he would walk backwards to camera but W didnt work`
`12:23.36`	`Repo`	`New map: http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/quetzalcoatl/. Quetzalcoatl. irninja (Manager/Author). Approved by xhatix.`
`12:23.36`	`3ICE	`camera yaw is like wtf`
`12:24.01`	`ZeroAme`	`like i sauid`
`12:24.04`	`ZeroAme`	`said*`
`12:24.07`	`ZeroAme`	`unique`
`12:24.12`	`3ICE	`oh`
`12:24.21`	`Repo`	`New map: http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/jigglypuff-zone/. Jigglypuff zone. Madkipz (Manager/Author). Approved by xhatix.`
`12:24.34`	`Repo`	`New map: http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/valley-runs-through-it/. A Valley Runs Through It. irninja (Manager/Author). Approved by xhatix.`
`12:24.37`	`3ICE	`yeah well, I have no idea. Need moar detailz...`
`12:24.49`	`Repo`	`New map: http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/spell-contest-whirlwind/. Spell Contest - Whirlwind. Slypoos (Manager/Author). Approved by xhatix.`
`12:24.54`	`ZeroAme`	`Events`
`12:24.56`	`ZeroAme`	`Timer - Every 0.0001 seconds of Game Time`
`12:24.58`	`ZeroAme`	`Actions`
`12:25.00`	`ZeroAme`	`General - If (Conditions) then do (Actions) else do (Actions)`
`12:25.01`	`3ICE	`holy fuck`
`12:25.02`	`Hati`	`dont do this`
`12:25.02`	`ZeroAme`	`If`
`12:25.04`	`ZeroAme`	`S_On == true`
`12:25.05`	`3ICE	`0.0001 is crazy`
`12:25.05`	`Hati`	`0.0001 is not worth`
`12:25.06`	`ZeroAme`	`Then`
`12:25.08`	`ZeroAme`	`Unit - Order Player to ( Move targeting ((Position of Player) offset by -1.0 towards (Camera Yaw of Player(1)) degrees)) (Replace Existing Orders)`
`12:25.10`	`ZeroAme`	`Else`
`12:25.12`	`ZeroAme`	`Unit - Order Player to ( Stop) (Replace Existing Orders)`
`12:25.14`	`ZeroAme`	`General - If (Conditions) then do (Actions) else do (Actions)`
`12:25.16`	`ZeroAme`	`If`
`12:25.18`	`ZeroAme`	`W_On == true`
`12:25.18`	`Hati`	`and stop paste stuff in here please`
`12:25.20`	`ZeroAme`	`Then`
`12:25.21`	`3ICE	`dude pastebin`
`12:25.22`	`ZeroAme`	`Unit - Order Player to ( Move targeting ((Position of Player) offset by 1.0 towards (Camera Yaw of Player(1)) degrees)) (Replace Existing Orders)`
`12:25.23`	`3ICE	`pastebin!!!`
`12:25.24`	`ZeroAme`	`Else`
`12:25.26`	`JamesObscura`	`He can't stop it.`
`12:25.26`	`ZeroAme`	`Unit - Order Player to ( Stop) (Replace Existing Orders)`
`12:25.28`	`3ICE	`this is unusable`
`12:25.30`	`3ICE	`pastebin it`
`12:25.30`	`JamesObscura`	`It's queued.`
`12:25.36`	`ZeroAme`	`ya`
`12:25.43`	`Hati`	`http://paste.sc2mapster.com/`
`12:25.48`	`Hati`	`for more than 3 lines`
`12:25.53`	`3ICE	`queued? weird i always send my spam lines instantly`
`12:26.01`	`3ICE	`even 20 of them :)`
`12:26.05`	`3ICE	`did that once got kicked`
`12:26.08`	`ZeroAme`	`mine doesnt lol`
`12:26.17`	`3ICE	`ofc not here`
`12:26.23`	`3ICE	`i cant be kicked here`
`12:26.30`	`3ICE	`evil laughter!`
`12:26.47`	`ZeroAme`	`lol`
`12:26.52`	`ZeroAme`	`but ya`
`12:26.54`	`3ICE	`wheres mah pastebin`
`12:27.01`	`ZeroAme`	`O_o`
`12:27.44`	`ZeroAme`	`hold on`
`12:27.53`	`3ICE	`holding on...`
`12:28.03`	`3ICE	`...held successfully!`
`12:28.47`	`ZeroAme`	`xD`
`12:28.50`	`Hati`	`but still`
`12:28.55`	`Hati`	`Timer 0.00001 is useless`
`12:28.57`	`3ICE	`yup`
`12:29.01`	`Hati`	`minimum is 0.0065`
`12:29.02`	`3ICE	`not that it causes any trouble`
`12:29.09`	`3ICE	`blizz enforces a 0.27 or something value`
`12:29.21`	`3ICE	`oh wow 0.065 that does cause problems then`
`12:29.29`	`3ICE	`nvm it doesnt`
`12:29.36`	`Hati`	`its half latency`
`12:29.37`	`3ICE	`i like 0.03 in other programming languages`
`12:29.47`	`3ICE	`makes everything look smooth`
`12:30.03`	`3ICE	`i have a useless program in c# that lets you take control of a checkbox`
`12:30.07`	`3ICE	`slide it around your screen`
`12:30.09`	`3ICE	`fun! :)`
`12:30.20`	`Clord`	`lol`
`12:30.20`	`ZeroAme`	`http://paste.sc2mapster.com/2098/`
`12:31.06`	`3ICE	`simple error`
`12:31.10`	`3ICE	`releasing of keys doesnt work`
`12:31.27`	`3ICE	`haha gotcha! i lied. it does work.`
`12:32.01`	`3ICE	`you need to nest those ifs`
`12:32.04`	`3ICE	`or dont order them to stop`
`12:32.08`	`3ICE	`because...`
`12:32.17`	`3ICE	`first if checks S`
`12:32.23`	`3ICE	`if it is pressed it moves backwards`
`12:32.24`	`3ICE	`BUT!!!`
`12:32.28`	`3ICE	`the second if checks W`
`12:32.35`	`3ICE	`and if it isnt pressed you tell the unit to stop`
`12:32.37`	`3ICE	`problem there`
`12:32.45`	`ZeroAme`	`oo`
`12:32.47`	`ZeroAme`	`Ic`
`12:32.48`	`3ICE	`fix'd`
`12:32.52`	`3ICE	`say thank you 3ICE`
`12:32.55`	`3ICE	`or 3ICE is god`
`12:32.56`	`3ICE	`<3`
`12:33.06`	`ZeroAme`	`hopefully/probably THANKS 3ICE, meh lord :P`
`12:33.12`	`3ICE	`lol`
`12:33.17`	`Clord`	`intellectal respect -5`
`12:33.18`	`Clord`	`^^`
`12:33.22`	`3ICE	`i collect all "thank you"s for presonal use`
`12:33.23`	`ZeroAme`	`xD`
`12:33.25`	`Zironic`	`I suspect that you might be limited by the framerate.`
`12:33.25`	`Clord`	`religion respect +10`
`12:33.26`	`zrbecker`	`conditional thanks?`
`12:33.27`	`Clord`	`;)`
`12:33.57`	`Clord`	`if someone does not get it.. in tropic game series`
`12:34.01`	`3ICE	`nice try Zironic bot no`
`12:34.03`	`3ICE	`but*`
`12:34.03`	`Clord`	`there is tons those weird choices`
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`13:09.34`	`Bifuu`	`morning guy`
`13:10.20`	`Bifuu`	`s`
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`13:10.36`	`Repo`	`New map: http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/changeling-rpg/. Changeling RPG. Talon0815 (Manager/Author). Approved by Bifuu.`
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`13:13.50`	`Phaos`	`lo`
`13:13.54`	`3ICE	`and behold`
`13:14.11`	`3ICE	`http://www.google.com/search?q=lo+and+behold`
`13:14.16`	`Phaos`	`i c wut u did thar`
`13:14.23`	`3ICE	`continuation!`
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`13:15.36`	`Ka[L]ekin`	`I see a lot of people talking about new stuff being put in for the release client?`
`13:15.41`	`Ka[L]ekin`	`Where is this coming from?`
`13:16.24`	`Ka[L]ekin`	`Some sort of announcement I missed? O.o`
`13:16.44`	`Phaos`	`I havn't heard of that at all O.o`
`13:17.22`	`Ka[L]ekin`	`Okay, I shouldn't say a lot`
`13:17.34`	`Ka[L]ekin`	`Just seen a few mentions of it`
`13:18.54`	`3ICE	`maybe they mean the campaign units`
`13:19.15`	`3ICE	`also, the war3 editor was a pice of crap back then`
`13:19.24`	`3ICE	`not it is a lot better (compared to the first version...)`
`13:19.27`	`3ICE	`now*`
`13:19.40`	`Phaos`	`it's true`
`13:19.49`	`3ICE	`ofc it is :) 3ICE speaks the golden truth`
`13:19.57`	`Phaos`	`I imagine alot of things are not actually in the editor because they want to keep stuff from us for now`
`13:20.04`	`3ICE	`disclaimer: except when he is not`
`13:20.18`	`3ICE	`yeah like figuring out the campaign story/lore`
`13:20.25`	`3ICE	`we cant see that yet :)`
`13:20.41`	`Phaos`	`not to mention actually documentation on the editor by blizz`
`13:20.45`	`Phaos`	`actuall*`
`13:20.56`	`3ICE	`yeah war3 documentation was so useful`
`13:20.59`	`3ICE	`yet no1 used it...`
`13:21.10`	`3ICE	`i always told people to read it :) when they asked stupid questions`
`13:21.56`	`3ICE	`hmm i am going to play some war3`
`13:22.02`	`3ICE	`fasstest map possible ftw`
`13:22.09`	`3ICE	`btw i still play reign of chaos`
`13:22.36`	`zrbecker`	`Can you enable a trigger, or call an action with a Effect?`
`13:23.18`	`Zironic`	`I think you can have an event trigger from the effect.`
`13:24.02`	`zrbecker`	`that might do`
`13:24.52`	`zrbecker`	`Ah you can do it from an ability. So yeah that works.`
`13:24.53`	`Coding_Newb`	`i changed my ground unit to be flying. I tried to block pathing using doodads patch blocker but, it seems flying units dont get affected.. how would i block flying units pathing?`
`13:24.55`	`Zironic`	`Anyhow, there's two things I'd expect them to add to the editor on release 1) All campaign assets (and there will be a ton of that) and 2) they've said they're going to expand the help a little bit`
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`13:25.14`	`Phaos`	`also`
`13:25.23`	`3ICE	`wow, apparently wc3 crashes my pc`
`13:25.26`	`Phaos`	`they are adding in all the sc1 models as well are they not`
`13:25.37`	`3ICE	`fixing... :s`
`13:25.45`	`Zironic`	`there are no sc1 models, they used to be sprites.`
`13:25.56`	`Phaos`	`no kidding`
`13:25.57`	`Phaos`	`as in`
`13:26.01`	`3ICE	`a lot of fan-made sc2 models exist though`
`13:26.02`	`Phaos`	`they are rebuilding them for the game`
`13:26.03`	`3ICE	`in mdx firm`
`13:26.06`	`3ICE	`format*`
`13:26.15`	`Coding_Newb`	`hey, 3ICE, do u know how to block flying units pathing? pathing blocker 2x2 or 1x1 doesnt seem to work`
`13:26.20`	`Zironic`	`I don't think they've said all of them are going to be in`
`13:26.21`	`3ICE	`no fly zone?`
`13:26.28`	`Zironic`	`but most of them are expected to be seen in the campaign (and thus in)`
`13:26.42`	`Phaos`	`I remember an early release for the Q&A of the editor being that they were adding in the SC1 stuff at least in the editor`
`13:26.54`	`Coding_Newb`	`yea`
`13:27.20`	`Coding_Newb`	`gotcha :)`
`13:27.22`	`Zironic`	`anyhow coding_newb, did you check the data for the pathing blocker?`
`13:27.31`	`Zironic`	`I'd be willing to bet it has a setting for what it blocks`
`13:27.32`	`3ICE	`no fly zone?`
`13:27.51`	`3ICE	`pathing blocker=ground`
`13:27.53`	`3ICE	`no fly zone = air`
`13:28.05`	`3ICE	`its in the pathing layer, it looks like a doodad`
`13:28.17`	`3ICE	`and i think it is silly.`
`13:28.18`	`3ICE	`:)`
`13:28.53`	`Zironic`	`Why silly?`
`13:28.56`	`3ICE	`all right, try#2 on opening warcraft 3 reign of chaos... wish me luck! crosses fingers`
`13:29.05`	`3ICE	`cause we should be able to paint air poathing`
`13:29.08`	`3ICE	`not use silly doodads`
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`13:29.16`	`3ICE	`war3 had it right`
`13:29.18`	`Zironic`	`true`
`13:29.20`	`3ICE	`with pathing`
`13:29.32`	`3ICE	`everything had a color, and mixing those colors gave a result`
`13:29.37`	`Helral`	`good afternoon everyone ;p`
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`13:30.13`	`devilesk`	`http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/6586/1276020924869.jpg`
`13:30.39`	`3ICE	`inc SPAM`
`13:30.40`	`3ICE	`ColorBuildableWalkableFlyableRedGreenBlue`
`13:30.40`	`3ICE	`Whiteno buildno walkno fly255255255`
`13:30.40`	`3ICE	`Redbuild okno walkfly ok25500`
`13:30.40`	`3ICE	`Yellowbuild okno walkno fly2552550`
`13:30.40`	`3ICE	`Greenbuild okwalk okno fly02550`
`13:30.40`	`3ICE	`Cyanno buildwalk okno fly0255255`
`13:30.41`	`3ICE	`Blueno buildwalk okfly ok00255`
`13:30.41`	`3ICE	`Magentano buildno walkfly ok2550255`
`13:30.42`	`3ICE	`Blackbuild okwalk okfly ok000`
`13:30.46`	`3ICE	`there, i want that system for sc2.`
`13:31.11`	`3ICE	`(http://world-editor-tutorials.thehelper.net/pathmaps.php)`
`13:31.15`	`3ICE	`now, afk`
`13:31.55`	`Phaos`	`wow that feature comparison is pretty accurate`
`13:32.06`	`Phaos`	`I still blame kotik. and his activisioness`
`13:32.50`	`Zironic`	`I agree, it's effin wierd that it's a doodad rather then painted`
`13:34.01`	`Phaos`	`isn't pretty much everything air pathable by default ?`
`13:34.46`	`3ICE	`yep`
`13:34.58`	`Phaos`	`therefore why do you actually need air pathing paint ?`
`13:35.02`	`3ICE	`air pathing is only affected by no fly zones`
`13:35.11`	`3ICE	`to restrict air pathing!`
`13:35.13`	`Azu`	`qwe`
`13:35.16`	`Phaos`	`and no fly is paintable`
`13:35.25`	`3ICE	`really?`
`13:35.36`	`3ICE	`i remember it as a doodad...`
`13:35.40`	`Phaos`	`you mean you want something which makes the unit favor one route over another ?`
`13:35.41`	`3ICE	`oh well cant test now`
`13:35.49`	`3ICE	`nope, much simpler`
`13:36.10`	`Phaos`	`oh my apologies n fly is a doodad`
`13:36.14`	`Phaos`	`no fly *`
`13:36.25`	`3ICE	`just outright disallow air units to cross over the no-air-pathing i paint in the pathing layer`
`13:36.32`	`3ICE	`which i cant do, because no fly zones are doodads`
`13:36.37`	`Phaos`	`yah`
`13:36.43`	`3ICE	`unless paintable air pathing was added in a patch`
`13:36.53`	`Phaos`	`well you can make dynamicly shaped regions`
`13:37.02`	`Phaos`	`could just make a triger and paint hte region :P`
`13:37.02`	`3ICE	`nothx :)`
`13:37.12`	`3ICE	`no triggers cant change pathing`
`13:37.13`	`3ICE	`yet`
`13:37.25`	`3ICE	`nor terrain tiles`
`13:37.26`	`3ICE	`...`
`13:37.26`	`Phaos`	`can change footprints tho can't you :P ?`
`13:37.31`	`3ICE	`how am i going to remake maze designer`
`13:37.32`	`3ICE	`without that`
`13:37.52`	`3ICE	`probably with decals`
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`13:51.58`	`Maul`	`oh didnt know maverck was an aussie`
`13:52.19`	`Maul`	`my evil tower d rival`
`13:52.22`	`Maul`	`shakes fist`
`13:54.52`	`MavercK`	`eh? lol`
`13:55.02`	`Maul`	`i dont know lol`
`13:55.14`	`MavercK`	`which td am i apparently rivaling? :P`
`13:55.45`	`Maul`	`the one with my name in the title :P`
`13:55.56`	`Maul`	`not really rivalling though`
`13:56.02`	`Maul`	`yours is quite polished`
`13:56.16`	`MavercK`	`lolz. what kind of td is yours`
`13:56.27`	`MavercK`	`i havn't played many other TDs`
`13:56.35`	`MavercK`	`testing my own burns me out on TDs pretty fast T_T`
`13:56.50`	`Maul`	`spiral`
`13:56.54`	`Maul`	`and i know what you mean`
`13:56.55`	`MavercK`	`ah ok`
`13:57.08`	`MavercK`	`similar to the spiral one from wc3?`
`13:57.15`	`Maul`	`not sure`
`13:57.24`	`Maul`	`similar to the sc1 one though`
`13:57.29`	`MavercK`	`ah ok`
`13:58.04`	`MavercK`	`yea being aussie is fun map making`
`13:58.17`	`MavercK`	`release a new version. goto sleep. wake up. 10 billion comments on my section.`
`13:58.20`	`MavercK`	`im like "o god"`
`13:59.35`	`Maul`	`ive had the last week off work so ive been up to 8am or whenever which has been helpful`
`13:59.41`	`Maul`	`some guy stole your map too`
`13:59.55`	`MavercK`	`oh? lol`
`13:59.55`	`Maul`	`for awhile it was higher on the list than your own`
`14:00.01`	`MavercK`	`oh. yea. harmless`
`14:00.11`	`MavercK`	`annoying but o well`
`14:00.20`	`Ka[L]ekin`	`can't you lock maps?`
`14:00.41`	`MavercK`	`can't publish them or something if you lock them atm`
`14:00.43`	`Repo`	`New announcement: http://www.sc2mapster.com/announcements/marine-selection-team-lights-out/`
`14:00.47`	`MavercK`	`dunno if they fixed that at any time`
`14:00.49`	`Ka[L]ekin`	`hm :/`
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`14:01.10`	`vjeux`	`omg Ã¼ber news ! :p`
`14:01.46`	`MavercK`	`nice`
`14:02.04`	`MavercK`	`yea i didn't really care when harmless published that old version.`
`14:02.14`	`MavercK`	`i rushed out 1.6 so i could get it out before beta went down`
`14:02.22`	`MavercK`	`and it was pretty broken`
`14:02.39`	`MavercK`	`anyway. just got access to elemental war of magic huzzah`
`14:03.56`	`MavercK`	`fingers crossed blizzard makes major changes to battle.net and the whole custom game browser while beta is down tho`
`14:04.49`	`Maul`	`i imagine they will`
`14:06.08`	`zrbecker`	`Is there a way to copy terrain from one map into another?`
`14:06.54`	`Helral`	`think only terrain can't be copied.`
`14:07.33`	`vjeux`	`yeah`
`14:07.34`	`vjeux`	`select it`
`14:07.36`	`vjeux`	`copy`
`14:07.37`	`Ka[L]ekin`	`zrbecker, I assume there must be some file inside your S2Map MPQ that contains all your terrain info.`
`14:07.37`	`vjeux`	`and paste :;`
`14:07.37`	`vjeux`	`p`
`14:07.43`	`Ka[L]ekin`	`Or tht. :P`
`14:07.51`	`Helral`	`you can select terrain?`
`14:07.57`	`vjeux`	`yes`
`14:08.01`	`vjeux`	`can even rotate`
`14:08.02`	`MavercK`	`drag a box like normal`
`14:08.07`	`MavercK`	`you'll see on the minimap`
`14:08.16`	`MavercK`	`big green selection box over the terrain you selected`
`14:08.34`	`MavercK`	`good for mirroring maps. i wasn't aware you could do it across maps tho`
`14:08.41`	`Helral`	`ohhh cool didn't know that at all.`
`14:09.04`	`MavercK`	`/ and * on the numpad rotate when you goto paste`
`14:09.22`	`zrbecker`	`I trieds selecting copy and pasting it and it does not seem to work between maps. I have copied it within a map before, so I knew about that.`
`14:09.32`	`3ICE	`Clíck héré fór somé übér néws! http://www.sc2mapster.com/announcements/marine-selection-team-lights-out/`
`14:09.42`	`Helral`	`my entire map has no terrain setup at all. ;p`
`14:09.48`	`MavercK`	`yea some interesting stuff in that news post'`
`14:09.54`	`vjeux`	`lol`
`14:10.03`	`MavercK`	`wish i knew how to do nice UI work like that`
`14:10.55`	`3ICE	`it doesnt impress me`
`14:11.10`	`3ICE	`i imagine it can be done in a couple hours`
`14:11.32`	`3ICE	`anyway, copy/pasting between maps only works if you have both maps open and switch between them using the window menu`
`14:11.45`	`3ICE	`for some reason clipboard gets loset if you open a new map`
`14:11.56`	`3ICE	`lots of people have trouble with this here`
`14:12.06`	`3ICE	`lots=2`
`14:12.07`	`3ICE	`:)`
`14:12.30`	`zrbecker`	`ah, lol. What if you totally f up your data editor stuff. Can u reset it all to default?`
`14:16.14`	`MavercK`	`most things`
`14:16.33`	`MavercK`	`you can simply delete everything in green`
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`14:17.28`	`ZeroAme`	`I need help with Catalog Field Value Set`
`14:17.51`	`ZeroAme`	`Im trying to change a ground units collide to flying and then back to ground`
`14:18.13`	`zrbecker`	`My problem is it is saying the Hydralisk Unit's source is my map. But I didn't change anything with it, or at least remember doing so. And a few other things look wrong too.`
`14:18.33`	`Zironic`	`right click it and choose reset`
`14:18.54`	`MavercK`	`i dunno ZeroAme. maybe check out that spell contest one`
`14:18.57`	`MavercK`	`something grenade`
`14:19.09`	`ZeroAme`	`hmm :?`
`14:19.09`	`MavercK`	`see how it works. it seems to levitate the unit temporarily`
`14:19.16`	`ZeroAme`	`oh`
`14:19.22`	`ZeroAme`	`thats not what im trying to do`
`14:19.30`	`ZeroAme`	`just want to change the collide`
`14:19.31`	`zrbecker`	`The only reset is reset to parent unit. And that sets it to a default unit.`
`14:19.36`	`ZeroAme`	`setting unit height is easy`
`14:19.54`	`Zironic`	`You should just be able to make a behavior that changes it from ground to air pathing`
`14:20.11`	`ZeroAme`	`hmm`
`14:20.18`	`ZeroAme`	`not a bad idea`
`14:23.23`	`ZeroAme`	`Whoa`
`14:23.31`	`ZeroAme`	`theres a behavior type called jump`
`14:23.42`	`zrbecker`	`When I duplicate a unit it fucks everything up. I duplicated Ultralisk and it it deleted Ultralisk (Burrowed) then made the Ultralisk Copy the main Ultralisk. WTF this thing is so weird.`
`14:23.44`	`Zironic`	`it's what the reavers use to change level`
`14:24.10`	`ZeroAme`	`ohh`
`14:24.33`	`Maul`	`duplicating is like a box of chocolates`
`14:25.27`	`zrbecker`	`apparently`
`14:25.46`	`zrbecker`	`I kind of imagined the point of duplicating an object is so that it would not f with the original.`
`14:25.58`	`Zironic`	`yeh`
`14:26.24`	`zrbecker`	`Apparently Blizzard does not share my philosophy.`
`14:27.23`	`Phaos`	`polarity shift is my fav contest spell so far\`
`14:27.58`	`ZeroAme`	`Ok so how do I change collide in a behavior O_o`
`14:29.19`	`Zironic`	`buff->modification+->movement->plane delta would be my guess (havn't tried it)`
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`14:31.55`	`Zironic`	`have you tried looking at the terran buildings liftoff?`
`14:34.02`	`ZeroAme`	`thats a morph ability`
`14:34.20`	`ZeroAme`	`flying buildings are complete seperate units`
`14:36.15`	`ZeroAme`	`Im not going to do it now though because im seeing where it could be a bad thing and exploitful`
`14:36.22`	`Zironic`	`Suppose that could be a backup solution, just morph into a flyer with the same model`
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`14:41.36`	`flope`	`i can not for the life of me seem to be able to make a placeholder spell that i can then make triggers for "when any unit uses SPELL"`
`14:41.38`	`flope`	`like`
`14:41.40`	`flope`	`it should work`
`14:41.41`	`flope`	`but its not`
`14:43.28`	`Phaos`	`I am super impressed by the interface vids on the home page now :O`
`14:56.44`	`Clord`	`I stick with mouse method`
`14:56.45`	`Clord`	`lol`
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`15:00.15`	`Clord`	`considering some people's awarness with interfaces and their need of tutorials`
`15:00.35`	`Clord`	`probably tons people gonna ask when playing map`
`15:00.38`	`Clord`	`where is inventory`
`15:00.39`	`Clord`	`XD`
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`15:07.38`	`Helral`	`hmmmm anyone know when the event: Player - Player 1 Minerals changes is triggered?`
`15:08.03`	`Maul`	`when their minerals change?`
`15:08.03`	`Helral`	`cause it doesn't seem to trigger when I change the minerals using a behavior :(`
`15:10.38`	`zrbecker`	`What is Lateral Acceleration for in the Unit Movement tab? Do the movements ever walk sideways?`
`15:11.26`	`Phaos`	`well immortals strafe don't they ?`
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`15:11.59`	`zrbecker`	`I guess so, I just noticed very specific values are set for each unit so I figured it might be something more than I am missing.`
`15:12.00`	`Phaos`	`although thats probably only the impression of strafing because of the turret`
`15:15.26`	`Phaos`	`I love going nuts with doodads :P`
`15:27.55`	`Phaos`	`possible to with triggers swap out the doodads in an area for a different set. example: area is a forest, but after complting objectives, it's turned into a terazine plant`
`15:27.58`	`Phaos`	`?`
`15:28.14`	`Phaos`	`completeing*`
`15:30.16`	`Hati`	`someone ever tested what happens if you morph a Projectile on half the way ?`
`15:38.05`	`Hati`	`hmm noone :/`
`15:39.55`	`ZeroAme`	`Woo! I got a data corruption in my core.sc2mod file...`
`15:40.27`	`Phaos`	`great :D`
`15:40.33`	`ZeroAme`	`ya`
`15:40.36`	`Phaos`	`and no DL for you to recover from WOO`
`15:40.55`	`ZeroAme`	`ya i can`
`15:41.02`	`ZeroAme`	`dling of the beta is still enabled`
`15:41.15`	`casperb`	`web servers are still up, i.e DL`
`15:42.09`	`Ziron`	`yeh, just login that's disabled`
`15:42.26`	`Ziron`	`they're being nice to us poor map editors`
`15:43.43`	`Clord`	`lol`
`15:43.45`	`Clord`	`map editer`
`15:44.55`	`Clord`	`I have learnt some weird rare words`
`15:46.39`	`Ziron`	`hm?`
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`15:50.17`	`Vestras`	`Hey`
`15:50.28`	`Clord`	`hi`
`15:52.23`	`Hati`	`hi`
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`15:56.49`	`Phaos`	`homg, nearly finished furnishing my 256x map`
`15:57.08`	`Phaos`	`so much detailllllllllling`
`15:57.30`	`Clord`	`you could go famous custom map route... nice gameplay but ugly as hell`
`15:57.31`	`Clord`	`^^`
`15:57.50`	`Phaos`	`I like it the other way round`
`15:57.57`	`Phaos`	`terrible flow... but pretty!`
`15:58.34`	`Phaos`	`my aim is always that no matter where the camera rests there will always be something to catch your eye`
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`16:05.51`	`Ziron`	`256x is huuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuge`
`16:06.41`	`Ziron`	`Though it sounds like you should be making the terrain for other peoples maps ^^`
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`16:06.51`	`*** join/#sc2mapster depthsofchaos (~depthsofc@adsl177.adsl.hungarnet.hu)`
`16:07.06`	`Phaos`	`I honestly want 512 maps :P`
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`16:07.52`	`Phaos`	`that reminds me I need to start a project on the website so I can post bits and pieces and vanity shots`
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`16:10.37`	`Clord`	`Phaos it is mostly technical thing... maps need tons room to make sure stuff goes smoothly XD not to mention building areas etc`
`16:10.50`	`depthsofchaos`	`is it possible to watch replays without beta ?:o`
`16:11.06`	`depthsofchaos`	`i mean offline`
`16:11.26`	`Phaos`	`drag and drop replay files onto the shortcut O.o I think...`
`16:11.35`	`Phaos`	`can't hurt giving it a try`
`16:11.39`	`depthsofchaos`	`k`
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`16:12.34`	`Hati`	`mah damnit why you cannot change Mover on the fly <.<`
`16:13.10`	`depthsofchaos`	`you can`
`16:13.15`	`depthsofchaos`	`upgrades`
`16:13.26`	`Hati`	`yea but that will upgrade all units of that type`
`16:13.41`	`Hati`	`i just want to change it on a small selection of them`
`16:13.56`	`Bifuu`	`look at vikings?`
`16:14.00`	`depthsofchaos`	`hmm replays dont work :/`
`16:14.09`	`depthsofchaos`	`viking is morphing`
`16:14.11`	`Hati`	`Bifuu: that's morphin`
`16:14.17`	`Bifuu`	`power rangers?`
`16:14.34`	`Bifuu`	`well when i joined all i saw was you wanting to change mover`
`16:14.38`	`Bifuu`	`look at`
`16:14.40`	`Hati`	`and i dunno if morphed units have their previous target still`
`16:14.48`	`Bifuu`	`Phoenix gravatron thingy for its target`
`16:14.57`	`Hati`	`not mover either`
`16:15.02`	`Hati`	`just changing height via ModifyUnit`
`16:15.32`	`depthsofchaos`	`well no other way then :o whats your exact goal?`
`16:15.48`	`Hati`	`launch predefined missiles at a target`
`16:16.02`	`Phaos`	`yeah morphers do keep orders, you can tell a viking to attack something, then tell it to morph, and it will continue to give chase`
`16:16.08`	`casperb`	`You can't change a mover period`
`16:16.20`	`Hati`	`casperb - that's wrong`
`16:16.31`	`Hati`	`you can change it. but not without creating a dummy unit`
`16:16.46`	`depthsofchaos`	`like how`
`16:16.49`	`casperb`	`You aren't changing it then, you are creating a new unit :P`
`16:17.05`	`casperb`	`collision flags and movers are immutable`
`16:17.10`	`depthsofchaos`	`if it works for upgrades im sure it will be possible`
`16:17.35`	`casperb`	`Nah upgrades change the catalog for a player`
`16:17.39`	`Phaos`	`man I wish I could make a map that played in wireframe mode, that would rule`
`16:18.12`	`depthsofchaos`	`catalog?`
`16:18.22`	`depthsofchaos`	`never knew what thats was :p`
`16:18.43`	`casperb`	`XML data definitions, what you are editing in the data editor`
`16:19.20`	`depthsofchaos`	`ah :o well im sure its not an engine limitation`
`16:19.25`	`Phaos`	`honestly I would just do what blizzard do and make a morpher`
`16:19.44`	`depthsofchaos`	`but making a morph for every possible unit`
`16:19.46`	`depthsofchaos`	`is pain`
`16:20.09`	`Phaos`	`all of your units can go from ground to sky ?`
`16:22.08`	`depthsofchaos`	`you could also just make 1 morph and put the appropriate actor on it :p`
`16:22.13`	`Hati`	`well, let's see if morphs also work for missiles`
`16:22.40`	`Hati`	`otherwise i can just do a unit, which will run invisible to the target`
`16:22.49`	`Hati`	`and change the speed from 0 to 50`
`16:22.55`	`Hati`	`if it should move`
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`16:28.35`	`Bifuu`	`installing sc2 on my friend's new laptop`
`16:28.37`	`Bifuu`	`lol`
`16:28.41`	`Bifuu`	`taking forever to update`
`16:30.27`	`casperb`	`blizz games usually take days to update :P`
`16:31.00`	`Phaos`	`it's because they never update their base installers >: \|`
`16:31.42`	`casperb`	`yeah usually atleast 16 updates`
`16:31.50`	`casperb`	`each overwriting the previous :P`
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`16:32.53`	`Bifuu`	`on patch 9 >.<`
`16:32.54`	`Bifuu`	`lol`
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`16:34.51`	`casperb`	`UnitCustomSet/GetValue used for anything internally?`
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`16:38.12`	`madlion`	`hi`
`16:38.28`	`madlion`	`anybody here played wc3?`
`16:38.54`	`Hati`	`3 matches`
`16:38.57`	`madlion`	`ill introduce myself, im mad[lion] from wc3, i made mad balls arena and the physic engine mados`
`16:38.57`	`Hati`	`then i played custom games :x`
`16:39.09`	`madlion`	`im looking for a script editor for sc2`
`16:39.14`	`madlion`	`so i can make a physic engine there`
`16:39.22`	`madlion`	`but so far i cant seem to find any release`
`16:39.27`	`madlion`	`anyone got any info about this?`
`16:39.54`	`casperb`	`buildt in script viewer works`
`16:40.08`	`casperb`	`other than that, just grab your favorite text editor, gedit or whatever`
`16:40.15`	`madlion`	`it does not let me code in galaxy language or does it?`
`16:40.35`	`madlion`	`im looking for something that has function lookup`
`16:41.10`	`depthsofchaos`	`is it porrible to prevent the plaer from moving a unit but still issue order to it?`
`16:41.15`	`depthsofchaos`	`possible*`
`16:41.26`	`depthsofchaos`	`player*:p`
`16:41.34`	`Ziron`	`remove it's mover?`
`16:41.59`	`depthsofchaos`	`i only want it for a time period`
`16:42.14`	`Ziron`	`create a behavior that lowers movement speed to 0?`
`16:42.15`	`madlion`	`look in all the natives`
`16:42.17`	`madlion`	`teres always something`
`16:42.27`	`casperb`	`not true :p`
`16:42.31`	`madlion`	`gui is about explore`
`16:42.32`	`madlion`	`^^`
`16:42.33`	`depthsofchaos`	`if i set it to 0 i wont be bale to move it`
`16:42.47`	`Ziron`	`wasn't that what you wanted?`
`16:42.52`	`madlion`	`maybe teres something to remove player control :D`
`16:42.53`	`Phaos`	`no :P`
`16:42.58`	`depthsofchaos`	`i can move the unit but player cant`
`16:43.07`	`Phaos`	`he just wants his unit to be uncommandable (movment only)`
`16:43.17`	`casperb`	`uncommandable still allows programmatic control tho?`
`16:43.21`	`Ziron`	`remove the move ability?`
`16:43.33`	`madlion`	`ziron`
`16:43.35`	`madlion`	`lol...`
`16:43.37`	`casperb`	`he just wants to remove control`
`16:43.47`	`madlion`	`i havent tried sc2 editor but hmm u dont get him`
`16:43.51`	`madlion`	`he wanna remove player control`
`16:43.55`	`madlion`	`not trigger control`
`16:44.07`	`madlion`	`he wanna keep trigger control`
`16:44.25`	`madlion`	`let me browse n see if i find`
`16:44.25`	`madlion`	`:D`
`16:44.31`	`casperb`	`i think uncommandable should work depthsofchaos`
`16:44.39`	`depthsofchaos`	`is it a unit flag?`
`16:44.42`	`depthsofchaos`	`gona try`
`16:44.45`	`casperb`	`yeah`
`16:44.46`	`madlion`	`sounds like it`
`16:44.49`	`madlion`	`uncommandable`
`16:44.52`	`Phaos`	`issues with uncommandable is it turns off abilities too`
`16:45.20`	`casperb`	`Hm gimme a sec`
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`16:46.17`	`casperb`	`what if you just make it unselectable?`
`16:46.33`	`Phaos`	`then how does he use it's abilities ?`
`16:46.38`	`casperb`	`script`
`16:46.45`	`Phaos`	`good point`
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`16:47.03`	`depthsofchaos`	`well what if its selected alreafy`
`16:47.10`	`depthsofchaos`	`how to make it unselectable?`
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`16:48.00`	`depthsofchaos`	`hmm gona check the vortex ability`
`16:48.03`	`casperb`	`SetUnitState`
`16:48.10`	`casperb`	`Ups, i mean UnitSetState`
`16:48.36`	`casperb`	`if it is selected, remove it from the selection`
`16:48.44`	`depthsofchaos`	`i can only use data :p`
`16:48.48`	`depthsofchaos`	`cause im an elitist`
`16:48.55`	`depthsofchaos`	`and making it ofr the contest`
`16:49.25`	`madlion`	`oki`
`16:49.26`	`casperb`	`what's the exact behavior you want?`
`16:49.30`	`madlion`	`u can use uncommandable`
`16:49.32`	`madlion`	`as base`
`16:49.34`	`madlion`	`but modify`
`16:49.37`	`madlion`	`so u can control`
`16:49.39`	`madlion`	`other things`
`16:49.41`	`madlion`	`just not movement`
`16:49.55`	`casperb`	`sounded like it was for campaign scripting that's why i suggested that :P`
`16:50.13`	`casperb`	`but if it's for an ability i need more info on what you want`
`16:50.20`	`depthsofchaos`	`i want to issue order but the player shouldnt escape`
`16:50.32`	`depthsofchaos`	`sucks in a player into a spot basically`
`16:50.35`	`depthsofchaos`	`unit*`
`16:50.46`	`madlion`	`oh`
`16:50.54`	`Phaos`	`yeah :P thats alot simpler`
`16:50.56`	`madlion`	`why not set unit position`
`16:50.56`	`madlion`	`:D`
`16:51.02`	`madlion`	`and move it over time`
`16:51.02`	`madlion`	`XD`
`16:51.09`	`casperb`	`Or just use the force`
`16:51.14`	`madlion`	`ya`
`16:51.31`	`Soudeus`	`for scripting, does anyone know if theres an easy way to find the function you are looking for, proper sytax, etc.. or is the only way to try find it in GUI or do it in GUI and look at the generated script?`
`16:51.34`	`casperb`	`(as in apply force, which applies a psuedo physics effect)`
`16:51.46`	`depthsofchaos`	`nah apply force is bad`
`16:51.51`	`madlion`	`oh`
`16:51.55`	`madlion`	`there is apply force ?`
`16:51.56`	`madlion`	`nice`
`16:51.58`	`depthsofchaos`	`barely does anything`
`16:52.20`	`Phaos`	`you can jack up apply forces power`
`16:52.32`	`depthsofchaos`	`you can turn it 5000 and no change :o`
`16:52.36`	`casperb`	`Soudeus: There's a pastie on sc2mapster`
`16:52.57`	`Soudeus`	`@casperb: forums?`
`16:53.21`	`Phaos`	`I'm not sure on that side of things yet, but knowing the data editor you probably have to set a direction too`
`16:53.38`	`casperb`	`Soudeus: http://paste.sc2mapster.com/1979/`
`16:54.13`	`depthsofchaos`	`you cant set direction :o`
`16:54.25`	`Phaos`	`i guessed wrong`
`16:55.01`	`depthsofchaos`	`but yeah maybe the unit field is the direction :o`
`16:55.37`	`Soudeus`	`@casperb: thanks`
`16:55.39`	`depthsofchaos`	`but i rly cba to remake my skill for this :P`
`16:56.22`	`Phaos`	`off to sleep I go`
`16:56.35`	`casperb`	`nn`
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`17:04.01`	`madlion`	`i found a method`
`17:04.08`	`madlion`	`but its a bit annoying`
`17:04.09`	`madlion`	`lol`
`17:04.16`	`madlion`	`tat is only if u still wanna keep the pathing`
`17:04.31`	`madlion`	`else the best is to use timer`
`17:04.35`	`madlion`	`and slide it to the location`
`17:06.22`	`depthsofchaos`	`:p cant do it in data editor:/`
`17:06.41`	`depthsofchaos`	`maybe gona try enabling the ability only for a milisecond`
`17:06.45`	`depthsofchaos`	`and issue the order`
`17:06.49`	`depthsofchaos`	`not sure if that works`
`17:07.23`	`AsaPhelps`	`did you ever make that ultra terrain deformation work depth?`
`17:07.57`	`depthsofchaos`	`doesnt look good but works, the terrain gets deleted without blending`
`17:09.49`	`AsaPhelps`	`how'd you do it?`
`17:10.51`	`depthsofchaos`	`theres a stupid option in the deformation: restore after destroy`
`17:10.59`	`AsaPhelps`	`ooh`
`17:11.00`	`depthsofchaos`	`you gota check that and thats iit`
`17:11.02`	`AsaPhelps`	`wish I knew about that`
`17:11.46`	`depthsofchaos`	`btw casperb thanks the uncommandable stuff worked`
`17:11.46`	`AsaPhelps`	`and apparently when voids charge they get a ring around the crystal, never notice that until I changed the color`
`17:11.58`	`casperb`	`good ^^`
`17:12.30`	`depthsofchaos`	`void rays are mistreious :p`
`17:13.01`	`depthsofchaos`	`you cant just change the beams scale either`
`17:13.18`	`depthsofchaos`	`and the beam is not only the beam but a stupid effect at the source`
`17:14.03`	`AsaPhelps`	`i made the beam it shoot be red`
`17:14.06`	`AsaPhelps`	`it looks cool`
`17:14.15`	`AsaPhelps`	`but for some reason the double charge beam doesn't get bigger`
`17:15.15`	`MindWorX	`That's the general way the data editor works. Obscure methods of doing simple things :P`
`17:15.15`	`AsaPhelps`	`hmm yeah changing the scale just makes it look weird`
`17:15.33`	`MindWorX	`I mean, in wc3, you'd change the attack to "Lightning", and you could make it do whatever kind of beam :P`
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`17:17.40`	`depthsofchaos`	`asa you need to only change the x scale`
`17:17.44`	`depthsofchaos`	`and leave the others at 1`
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`17:18.17`	`AsaPhelps`	`i changed all of them`
`17:18.27`	`AsaPhelps`	`x scale of the actor or the model?`
`17:18.44`	`depthsofchaos`	`actor`
`17:18.47`	`depthsofchaos`	`doesnt matter i gues`
`17:19.15`	`depthsofchaos`	`the beam is 2 dimensional it seems`
`17:19.42`	`AsaPhelps`	`my beam looks so weird`
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`17:24.44`	`AsaPhelps`	`http://i49.tinypic.com/2e3ddvl.jpg`
`17:25.58`	`casperb`	`nine tails beam o.o`
`17:26.38`	`AsaPhelps`	`those white void rays look pretty cool if you want to make a ghost void ray or something`
`17:26.40`	`Repo`	`New map: http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/excavation/. Excavation. shockelite (Manager/Author). Approved by Ackis.`
`17:26.43`	`s3rius`	`impressive`
`17:26.44`	`Repo`	`New map: http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/broken-land/. Broken Land. ORPH4NUS (Manager/Author). Approved by Ackis.`
`17:27.14`	`depthsofchaos`	`asa thats the stupid source effect`
`17:29.15`	`AsaPhelps`	`wow I found a super ugly model`
`17:30.22`	`AsaPhelps`	`http://i50.tinypic.com/2zi4uuw.jpg`
`17:30.25`	`Bifuu`	`they made me in 3d?`
`17:30.56`	`AsaPhelps`	`I need to find something constructive to do`
`17:31.29`	`depthsofchaos`	`not that ugly bifuu`
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`17:31.59`	`depthsofchaos`	`thats the corruption effect`
`17:31.59`	`casperb`	`old nydus maybe`
`17:32.09`	`AsaPhelps`	`yeah`
`17:32.13`	`casperb`	`ah`
`17:32.15`	`AsaPhelps`	`I never use corruption though :X`
`17:32.43`	`casperb`	`mass roach and brute force ftw? :P`
`17:33.57`	`Bifuu`	`god im so rusty at the editor lol`
`17:34.48`	`s3rius`	`mass roach vs mass rauder, then we will see who cnan brute forcce ^^`
`17:35.08`	`AsaPhelps`	`what if the roaches burrow`
`17:35.44`	`s3rius`	`scan D:`
`17:36.13`	`casperb`	`roaches kinda blow, tend to go lings/muta`
`17:36.15`	`depthsofchaos`	`mass marauder vs anythin = you won`
`17:36.30`	`casperb`	`everyone always expects mass roach so you'll win if you go with anything else`
`17:36.40`	`s3rius`	`mass rauder is rather sucky vs Hydra+Infestor though`
`17:37.03`	`s3rius`	`After the food nerf of roaches no one seems to build them anymore`
`17:37.11`	`s3rius`	`ecept of chopper lvl`
`17:37.34`	`depthsofchaos`	`they are still good early/mid game`
`17:37.37`	`casperb`	`Can attack be made to work with point?`
`17:37.43`	`depthsofchaos`	`yes`
`17:37.57`	`s3rius`	`definately. But everyone thinks that double the food = half the roaches -.-`
`17:38.26`	`depthsofchaos`	`well you wont reach cap early sothats barely a problem`
`17:38.45`	`depthsofchaos`	`if mara and immortal was balanced roach would be used`
`17:39.08`	`s3rius`	`yep, also even with roaches youll reach cap much faster than you enemy and can gather resources for after the fight. Zerg can replenish their troops sooo fast`
`17:39.32`	`s3rius`	`Wel, in general it's just stupid to have all armored units to deal dmg vs armored`
`17:39.48`	`s3rius`	`it's like rock paper scissors - except that rock beats rock ..`
`17:40.07`	`depthsofchaos`	`well zerg got no damage vs amrored`
`17:40.10`	`depthsofchaos`	`which is rly lame`
`17:40.17`	`s3rius`	`kind of yea`
`17:40.32`	`s3rius`	`but is there ANY unit that deals damage to armored and is NOT armored himself?`
`17:40.37`	`depthsofchaos`	`if they are going to make the game of hard counter they btter give one`
`17:40.48`	`depthsofchaos`	`hmm no clue`
`17:40.57`	`s3rius`	`Rauder, tank, immortal, stalker, viking, ultra`
`17:41.03`	`s3rius`	`they're all armored`
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`17:41.35`	`s3rius`	`It sucks if Rauders are supposed to counter Stalkers and Stalkers are supposed to counter Rauders. Doesn't make sense`
`17:41.48`	`Beider`	`neither is supposed to counter the other`
`17:41.53`	`s3rius`	`They are`
`17:41.57`	`Beider`	`no, they are not`
`17:42.00`	`s3rius`	`bth are made to counter Heavy armor`
`17:42.06`	`s3rius`	`since they both do +dmg to armored`
`17:42.10`	`Beider`	`they do more damage towards certain armor types yes`
`17:42.19`	`Beider`	`but that doesn't mean they automatically is the best and only counter to a unit`
`17:42.29`	`Beider`	`marauders do well against stalkers until stalkers get blink`
`17:42.38`	`Beider`	`then stalkers slaughter marauders quite easily`
`17:42.40`	`s3rius`	`true, but why give stalker +armor damage if it's not for the sake of killing armored units?`
`17:43.03`	`s3rius`	`why would blink stalk kill rauders?`
`17:43.10`	`Beider`	`Well it is for killing armor unites but that doesn't automatically mean "opponent is going armored so I should build stalkers"`
`17:43.12`	`s3rius`	`rauders have stims, are cheaper and do more damage`
`17:43.34`	`Beider`	`because normally a good player would use marauders to kite stalkers around, very few stalkers get to shoot while marauders get a good concave`
`17:43.48`	`Beider`	`with blink stalkers can pop in and pick off a few marauders while all of them get to shoot then blink back out`
`17:44.03`	`s3rius`	`still, 1 rauder wins vs 1 stalker. Since stalks are more expensive they'll lose.`
`17:44.14`	`Beider`	`you can't look at the game like that`
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`17:44.22`	`s3rius`	`Ok, good stalker micro with blink will help you, but stimmed rauders are a bitch`
`17:44.30`	`Beider`	`in theory it is like that, but in practice the game doesn't work like that`
`17:44.32`	`Alpha_vst`	`lies`
`17:44.40`	`AsaPhelps`	`I heard stimmed marauders have the highest dps vs armored of any unit in the game`
`17:44.43`	`s3rius`	`well, I do have quite a bit of practice ^^`
`17:44.47`	`Beider`	`not to mention, you should add more units to your army compesition than just stalkers`
`17:44.53`	`s3rius`	`Nope, immortals do more ^.^`
`17:44.58`	`Beider`	`s3rius? what rating in 1v1?`
`17:45.17`	`s3rius`	`I was mediocre plat in 1v1 (before diamond)`
`17:45.26`	`s3rius`	`after diamond patch I couldn`
`17:45.32`	`s3rius`	`t play so much :/`
`17:45.44`	`Beider`	`well once you get up to the higher levels of play you will see that it works out more complicated than just "X counters Y"`
`17:46.08`	`s3rius`	`I don't think that now, either.`
`17:46.08`	`Alpha_vst`	`for sure`
`17:46.10`	`s3rius`	`But it doesn`
`17:46.19`	`s3rius`	`gah damn laptop keyboard`
`17:46.30`	`s3rius`	`It doesnt make sense what they did with armored units`
`17:46.53`	`s3rius`	`having all armored units to +damage to armored is stupid^^`
`17:47.03`	`Beider`	`if they didn't it would be rock/paper/scissors`
`17:47.16`	`Ziron`	`Why does it feel like everyone plays at platinum?`
`17:47.24`	`Beider`	`imagine if all light did heavy damage to armor, all armor did heavy damage to bio and all bio did heavy damage to light`
`17:47.32`	`Beider`	`it would just be all about who picked the right unit to mass`
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`17:47.34`	`s3rius`	`Go to blizard beta forum, there's about 95% coppers ^^`
`17:47.50`	`Beider`	`Ziron: because platinum is really easy to get into`
`17:48.07`	`s3rius`	`yea kind of. 5 wins in placement and you're plat`
`17:48.37`	`s3rius`	`What was your rating, beider?`
`17:48.46`	`Beider`	`before diamond patch i was 1800 platinum when I stopped`
`17:48.52`	`Beider`	`could probably have broken 2000 if I had bothered to play`
`17:49.03`	`s3rius`	`^^ nice`
`17:49.12`	`casperb`	`with resets every other week it gets old to do placements tho :p`
`17:49.16`	`AsaPhelps`	`I'm more of a copper guy myself`
`17:49.21`	`Beider`	`agreed casperb`
`17:49.31`	`s3rius`	`I love placements, I usually do funky play styles in there`
`17:49.36`	`casperb`	`cheese!`
`17:49.41`	`s3rius`	`like tripple expand into battlecruiser rush :D`
`17:49.48`	`s3rius`	`cause you can do it vs noobs`
`17:49.50`	`zrbecker`	`I love placements because I win some.`
`17:49.56`	`Clord`	`I remember when I went to practice league way and won five times straight.... >_>`
`17:49.59`	`Clord`	`in 2v2 XD`
`17:49.59`	`Beider`	`I switched from terran only to random when the diamond patch hit, was so nervous about losing placement when I got zerg (my worst race)`
`17:50.13`	`Clord`	`and I don't even much like ladders`
`17:50.24`	`casperb`	`last 2v2 placements was pretty hilarious, went mass muta every round with two zergs`
`17:50.34`	`casperb`	`got cussed at alot etc :P`
`17:50.35`	`s3rius`	`same here, random with zerg as worst race.. but zerg macro is damn hot once you have 2-3 running basses`
`17:50.57`	`Beider`	`well zerg is fun once you get the macro/expansion lead. I usually just do extremely risky strategies`
`17:51.04`	`Beider`	`but I struggle so hard vs terran mech`
`17:51.06`	`s3rius`	`In my early days every muta masser would defeat me in 2v2 lol :/`
`17:51.13`	`s3rius`	`until I discovered anti-air :D`
`17:51.31`	`s3rius`	`ya terr mech ich probably still imba`
`17:51.34`	`s3rius`	`is`
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`17:51.36`	`Beider`	`I love mass muta players in FFA`
`17:51.41`	`AsaPhelps`	`1 phoenix > 200 mutas`
`17:51.45`	`casperb`	`hehe`
`17:51.51`	`Beider`	`I always go mass raven with terran in FFA, destroyed 200 mutas in less than 3 seconds with seeker missile :P`
`17:51.52`	`s3rius`	`haha ya`
`17:52.08`	`Beider`	`the guy went "wtf ;( gg" and quit :P`
`17:52.15`	`casperb`	`in 3v3 baneling rush is prolly the most hilarious thing to do`
`17:52.17`	`s3rius`	`well, at least he gg'd`
`17:52.26`	`depthsofchaos`	`1 banshee > unlimited roach`
`17:52.27`	`s3rius`	`4v4 mass reaper rush ^.^`
`17:52.34`	`casperb`	`take out 3 bases at once XD`
`17:52.44`	`casperb`	`and ofc, get cussed at o.O`
`17:52.54`	`Beider`	`casperb: but only works against bad players though`
`17:53.02`	`casperb`	`placement/custom games tend to be all bad palyers`
`17:53.03`	`casperb`	`players *`
`17:53.09`	`s3rius`	`mostly`
`17:53.24`	`AsaPhelps`	`I remember one time I was zerg and got cannoned`
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`17:53.31`	`AsaPhelps`	`so I just attacked his base with lings and won`
`17:53.34`	`Beider`	`I just hate doing 3v3 with my friends, most of us play random and we all have good/bad races. Can pretty much know from the races we spawn with if we are going to win / lose`
`17:53.51`	`s3rius`	`hehe`
`17:54.01`	`s3rius`	`I became a random just because of the beta crusher awards ^.^`
`17:54.07`	`s3rius`	`well... when they were still a challenge to get..`
`17:57.33`	`AsaPhelps`	`I need a creative spell but I can't think of one`
`17:58.07`	`casperb`	`Creativity Bomb, AoE splash painting! :P`
`17:58.07`	`MindWorX	`Flame Strike`
`17:58.11`	`depthsofchaos`	`steal!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!`
`17:58.32`	`s3rius`	`Spider mines D:`
`17:59.58`	`AsaPhelps`	`I love spider mines`
`18:00.13`	`Beider`	`make a umm`
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`18:00.32`	`Beider`	`vortex mine, placed like a spider mine then jumps up and sucks the unit under ground for 10 seconds`
`18:00.34`	`Beider`	`or something :P`
`18:00.35`	`Jcup`	`Heyooozzz`
`18:01.00`	`AsaPhelps`	`vortex is fun if you attach the actor to a unit`
`18:01.08`	`AsaPhelps`	`it'll distort everything nearby`
`18:01.14`	`Jcup`	`lol I hate how they did that`
`18:01.29`	`Jcup`	`I wish they made it so you coul distort without that thing`
`18:01.31`	`Beider`	`hmm so the vortex distortion is actually just an actor`
`18:01.33`	`Jcup`	`could*`
`18:01.41`	`Beider`	`didn't know that`
`18:02.30`	`depthsofchaos`	`you can set the actor opacity 0 and it sitll had distort`
`18:03.00`	`AsaPhelps`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ALYFuyWraI`
`18:03.07`	`AsaPhelps`	`watch that beider :P`
`18:04.32`	`Jcup`	`Makes me wonder like how, is it like hardcoded in?`
`18:04.43`	`depthsofchaos`	`is monorail a built in stuff?`
`18:04.48`	`depthsofchaos`	`or just triggers`
`18:04.58`	`AsaPhelps`	`its triggers to make it move`
`18:05.17`	`AsaPhelps`	`someone did a better one that that thats like a month old when I was still a noob`
`18:05.32`	`AsaPhelps`	`thats a lot of thats`
`18:06.52`	`Soudeus`	`Anyone know what exactly the bool "current" represents in this function? int UnitGetPropertyInt (unit u, int property, bool current);`
`18:07.12`	`Jcup`	`alive maybe?`
`18:07.18`	`MindWorX	`current = current ? :P`
`18:07.20`	`Jcup`	`hidden?`
`18:07.21`	`MindWorX	`false = max value?`
`18:07.38`	`Soudeus`	`in examples c_unitPropCurrent is used in the function call`
`18:07.44`	`AsaPhelps`	`might be current and default`
`18:07.52`	`Jcup`	`prolly`
`18:08.20`	`Jcup`	`Is there a way to show the number of stacks of a buff on a unit without triggers?`
`18:08.24`	`Helral`	`hmmm I just made sc2 crash ;p`
`18:08.41`	`Helral`	`<PROTECTED>`
`18:08.41`	`Helral`	`it didn't like that action....`
`18:08.43`	`s3rius`	`nothing unusual^^`
`18:09.25`	`Alpha_vst`	`lol`
`18:09.28`	`s3rius`	`i think achievement dialogsdont work yet, no`
`18:09.34`	`s3rius`	`?`
`18:09.46`	`Helral`	`they crash the game atm ;p so I guess that means that they don't work ;p`
`18:09.48`	`casperb`	`Soudeus: current value vs unit type value`
`18:09.52`	`Alpha_vst`	`i have a overflwo problem now :(`
`18:10.06`	`Alpha_vst`	`this bug is pissing me off`
`18:10.12`	`Jcup`	`Is there a way to show the number of stacks on a buff on a unit without triggers?`
`18:10.15`	`Alpha_vst`	`probably take me all day to fix it`
`18:10.31`	`depthsofchaos`	`hmm behaviours can remove collision`
`18:10.34`	`depthsofchaos`	`didnt know that`
`18:10.39`	`Alpha_vst`	`yeah`
`18:10.53`	`Alpha_vst`	`ghost units ftw`
`18:11.54`	`casperb`	`depthsofchaos: how? o.o`
`18:12.08`	`Helral`	`seems like I'll just have to create an achievement system of my own for usage :(`
`18:12.14`	`depthsofchaos`	`theres a suppress collision flag or`
`18:12.25`	`depthsofchaos`	`on buffs`
`18:13.11`	`AsaPhelps`	`I don't see it`
`18:13.15`	`Jcup`	`Anybody know how to show the stack number on buffs?`
`18:13.33`	`Jcup`	`it is in state or modify flags AsaPhelps`
`18:13.51`	`depthsofchaos`	`its in modifications/behaviour`
`18:14.49`	`casperb`	`ah but it's all collisions`
`18:15.18`	`AsaPhelps`	`I still don't see it :(`
`18:15.30`	`AsaPhelps`	`now I see it`
`18:15.37`	`depthsofchaos`	`yeah but its still usefull if you want to ignore pathing`
`18:15.44`	`AsaPhelps`	`maybe I see it`
`18:15.51`	`Jcup`	`Modfication - State Flags`
`18:15.56`	`Jcup`	`Suppress Collision`
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`18:17.32`	`AsaPhelps`	`I see it`
`18:17.45`	`AsaPhelps`	`Suppress passenger sounds interesting`
`18:17.53`	`zrbecker`	`How can I determine how many units a player has with triggers?`
`18:18.09`	`Jcup`	`Count the units a in a unit group`
`18:18.15`	`Alpha_vst`	`in the entire map`
`18:18.23`	`Jcup`	`yeah`
`18:18.25`	`casperb`	`Looks like weapons are able to search for targets along it's search path, but doesn't seem to be possible to fire at a point?`
`18:18.46`	`Alpha_vst`	`pick each unit owned by a player in the whole map and count all the units in the group set it to a variable`
`18:18.48`	`zrbecker`	`Are all of a players units in some default unit group?`
`18:18.54`	`Alpha_vst`	`nope`
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`18:19.00`	`Jcup`	`casperb u have to use create persistent offsets`
`18:19.00`	`depthsofchaos`	`casper why?`
`18:19.07`	`Jcup`	`when launch the missile`
`18:19.10`	`Alpha_vst`	`well they are owned by that player`
`18:19.16`	`depthsofchaos`	`make the attack able to target point`
`18:19.24`	`casperb`	`trying to not reinvent the weel`
`18:19.31`	`Jcup`	`lolz`
`18:19.35`	`Alpha_vst`	`Unit Group - Pick each unit in (Any units in (Entire map) owned by player (Picked player) matching Excluded: Structure, Missile, Dead, Hidden, Invulnerable, with at most Any Amount) and do (Actions)`
`18:19.35`	`Jcup`	`Its already out`
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`18:19.54`	`casperb`	`depthsofchaos: just breaks everything, unit moves to target point rather than firing`
`18:20.31`	`depthsofchaos`	`hmm it works for me not sure what i changed you need to change it in the effect also`
`18:20.35`	`depthsofchaos`	`and ability`
`18:20.59`	`depthsofchaos`	`i made a drone spit banelings im sure xD`
`18:21.25`	`casperb`	`but using an effect ability or attack ability?`
`18:21.43`	`depthsofchaos`	`well attack ability uses attack move`
`18:21.51`	`depthsofchaos`	`you cant override that i guess`
`18:21.52`	`JamesObscura`	`Is it possible to do the portrait+text box thing in the cinematics editor or is it usually done in normal triggers?`
`18:22.27`	`zrbecker`	`Ah ha! Thanks Alpha_vst.`
`18:22.35`	`Alpha_vst`	`yup`
`18:23.15`	`casperb`	`Afaik i can't make an ability effect reference the current weapon effect?`
`18:23.18`	`Alpha_vst`	`wtf is this cinematics editor i keep hearing about`
`18:23.53`	`casperb`	`the crappy version of triggers? has like move unit and move camera actions`
`18:23.58`	`casperb`	`and that's it`
`18:24.54`	`depthsofchaos`	`you can casper`
`18:25.07`	`casperb`	`ah sweet`
`18:25.09`	`JamesObscura`	`Alpha_vst, Map>Cinematics`
`18:25.19`	`depthsofchaos`	`but only the effect`
`18:25.26`	`depthsofchaos`	`you cant use the weapon`
`18:25.33`	`Jcup`	`lol thats rather biased`
`18:25.55`	`Alpha_vst`	`WTF IS THAT SHIT`
`18:26.12`	`casperb`	`depthsofchaos: can't read cooldown for example?`
`18:26.18`	`Alpha_vst`	`why would you use that over triggers?`
`18:26.40`	`depthsofchaos`	`well you can add a cooldown to the ability`
`18:27.04`	`casperb`	`yeah but can i read the cooldown value from a field on the current weapon (in pure data)`
`18:27.16`	`Jcup`	`no pretty sure u cant`
`18:27.46`	`Jcup`	`u can link cooldown but I dont think with a weapon and ability but I could be wrong`
`18:28.08`	`JamesObscura`	`Alpha_vst, Triggers are messier when doing simple camera fly arounds.`
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`18:28.46`	`casperb`	`Cinematics aren't allowed to modify anything`
`18:28.54`	`casperb`	`guess that can be a good thing in some cases`
`18:29.17`	`casperb`	`lacks things like kill unit etc tho`
`18:29.52`	`JamesObscura`	`You can run triggers while running a cinematinc.`
`18:29.56`	`JamesObscura`	`*cinematic`
`18:30.09`	`casperb`	`anyways back to abilities and weapon, how to reference the effect then?`
`18:30.24`	`casperb`	`JamesObscura: but then you might aswell do the entire thing in triggers so you know the timing is right`
`18:30.35`	`depthsofchaos`	`you make an ability of effect- target`
`18:31.12`	`casperb`	`duh but how to link them up`
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`18:31.35`	`depthsofchaos`	`grr im starting to hate firefox`
`18:31.53`	`casperb`	`chrome's pretty decent`
`18:32.05`	`depthsofchaos`	`does it crash a lot?`
`18:32.12`	`casperb`	`never`
`18:32.18`	`depthsofchaos`	`cause firefox does :/`
`18:32.31`	`casperb`	`worst case, a tab crashes`
`18:32.31`	`depthsofchaos`	`and ets all the memory`
`18:32.36`	`JamesObscura`	`casperb, I did mine in trigger initially... It looked like this: Loop players: move camera for everyone; wait 3 sec; move camera for everyone; wait 3 sec; etc. It was really really messy. The cinematics menu is totally unnecessary, but it simplifies things and cleans things up, which I think Galaxy editor needs a lot more of.`
`18:33.15`	`Nevir`	`Hmm, how do you rotate an actor, but not via rotating the unit? (I've got a couple actors on a unit, only one of them is off)`
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`18:34.12`	`Ignorance`	`soup guise`
`18:34.29`	`casperb`	`depthsofchaos: so, referencing the effect?`
`18:34.55`	`depthsofchaos`	`you mean exactly? chech whats the starting effect of the weapon`
`18:34.57`	`depthsofchaos`	`use that`
`18:35.26`	`casperb`	`So have to go triggers?`
`18:35.40`	`depthsofchaos`	`no, why`
`18:35.42`	`Alpha_vst`	`LAME`
`18:35.47`	`depthsofchaos`	`ability - effect target`
`18:35.59`	`depthsofchaos`	`and place it in there`
`18:36.08`	`Alpha_vst`	`I THINK I FIXED MY SPAWNING`
`18:36.17`	`Alpha_vst`	`im excited`
`18:36.33`	`depthsofchaos`	`anyone got an idea of how to make a units corpse fall on the ground even if i changed its height`
`18:37.03`	`casperb`	`depthsofchaos: think you misunderstood then, wanted to reference the units weapon's effect, and since you can't know what that is in an ability i asked if there was some supported syntax for it in raw data ;)`
`18:37.39`	`casperb`	`i.e have the data editor figure out the link at run time`
`18:37.40`	`depthsofchaos`	`ah i see`
`18:37.47`	`depthsofchaos`	`then i duno :/`
`18:38.04`	`casperb`	`Guess i'll just make a dummy ability, and catch when that's being used and do the logic there`
`18:38.18`	`casperb`	`Kinda messy but not that bad, still allowing weapons, inventory etc to be used as normal`
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`18:38.26`	`Alpha_vst`	`yeah`
`18:38.41`	`Alpha_vst`	`I THINK I FIXED MY RANDOM BUG ISSUE`
`18:38.50`	`casperb`	`w00t`
`18:39.20`	`Alpha_vst`	`yeah i took out the loop and added in a reference variable`
`18:40.13`	`Alpha_vst`	`Variable - Set ActiveLocations[RandomRegionReferance[PickedRandom]] = 2 sexy long thing :P`
`18:41.45`	`Alpha_vst`	`:( looks like i didnt gah`
`18:41.54`	`Ignorance`	`Alpha, no you haven't.`
`18:42.06`	`Ignorance`	`Bahahahahaha`
`18:42.14`	`Alpha_vst`	`i forgot 2 add in my other checks`
`18:42.22`	`Alpha_vst`	`back in :(`
`18:42.31`	`Ignorance`	`Victory today is held by the great Ignorance!`
`18:42.41`	`Ignorance`	`I'm working on making my map more organized.`
`18:42.47`	`Alpha_vst`	`lol`
`18:42.50`	`Ignorance`	`so that I can more easily add modes that are different`
`18:42.51`	`Alpha_vst`	`thats my next goal`
`18:42.56`	`Ignorance`	`I blame tehwildcard. :P`
`18:43.02`	`Alpha_vst`	`lol`
`18:43.08`	`AsaPhelps`	`Are there any flag type models in the game?`
`18:43.15`	`Ignorance`	`No.`
`18:43.16`	`Alpha_vst`	`i want to comment all my code...`
`18:43.24`	`Alpha_vst`	`YES`
`18:43.25`	`Ignorance`	`Commenting?`
`18:43.26`	`Alpha_vst`	`DOODADS`
`18:43.32`	`Ignorance`	`That's only for people with imperfect memories.`
`18:43.35`	`Alpha_vst`	`its a banner`
`18:43.40`	`AsaPhelps`	`i know I saw one`
`18:43.43`	`AsaPhelps`	`whats it called though?`
`18:43.56`	`AsaPhelps`	`temple banner`
`18:43.57`	`AsaPhelps`	`BAM`
`18:44.01`	`Alpha_vst`	`yeah`
`18:44.19`	`Alpha_vst`	`or people with complex code Ignorance 0.o`
`18:44.25`	`Alpha_vst`	`and my memory sucks`
`18:46.24`	`s3rius`	`commenting code is a good thing`
`18:46.31`	`s3rius`	`esp when working with several peepz`
`18:47.14`	`s3rius`	`or if you have a function like abc(int a, int b, int c, int d, string e, fixed f, unit g) ^^`
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`18:47.48`	`casperb`	`s3rius: then you should learn to use proper variable names and probally refactor that function into smaller units :P`
`18:47.50`	`Ignorance`	`well, thing is I do the heavy lifting. Also, s3rius, use grammar.`
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`18:48.18`	`Ignorance`	`Grammar = an ability in functions`
`18:48.21`	`Ignorance`	`to give them proper inputs`
`18:48.32`	`Nevir`	`o.O`
`18:49.01`	`Ignorance`	`rather than Noobfunction(int ar1, int ar2, int ar3, int ar4, string pandas, unit dog)`
`18:49.10`	`Ignorance`	`like, I would rephrase that to`
`18:49.30`	`Ignorance`	`The function of noobs where Artist 1 references`
`18:49.55`	`Ignorance`	`Artist 2 references Artist 3 and Artist 4 for the Name of Pandas and unit Pet Dog.`
`18:50.06`	`Ignorance`	`just gotta use grammar`
`18:50.32`	`casperb`	`Any idea how to define GUI xml libraries with external code btw?`
`18:50.33`	`depthsofchaos`	`i used grammar so good that my ismissile validator returned the opposite xD`
`18:50.40`	`Nevir`	`Yeah`
`18:50.47`	`Nevir`	`flag the action/function/whatever as native`
`18:50.57`	`Nevir`	`and change the identifier to whatever you use as your function name in the code`
`18:51.01`	`casperb`	`native refers to c++ tho?`
`18:51.04`	`Nevir`	`Nope`
`18:51.09`	`Nevir`	`just means there's no definition`
`18:51.21`	`casperb`	`ah so it's essentially extern?`
`18:51.28`	`Nevir`	`Yeah, seems to act that way`
`18:51.33`	`casperb`	`neat ^^`
`18:52.26`	`Jonanin`	`Is there any kind of galaxy editor in development?`
`18:52.40`	`casperb`	`hum.. how about the galaxy editor? :P`
`18:52.40`	`Jonanin`	`or like plugins for an existing editor`
`18:52.48`	`Jonanin`	`galaxy script editor.`
`18:52.50`	`casperb`	`mean scripting tho?`
`18:53.01`	`casperb`	`yeah uhm, I'm considering writing some for gedit`
`18:53.12`	`casperb`	`language spec and snippets`
`18:53.17`	`s3rius`	`milkyway, no?`
`18:54.05`	`casperb`	`there is something called moonlite ide (not to be confused with linux's silverlight implementation)`
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`18:54.14`	`Nevir`	`http://forums.sc2mapster.com/mapping-utilities/third-party-tools/3191-moonlite-map-studio-open-beta-release/`
`18:54.18`	`casperb`	`Can't get it running tho`
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`18:55.58`	`MindWorX	`Jonanin, There's a project on the way, which adds a custom galaxy coding editor and custom parsers to SE`
`18:56.07`	`MindWorX	`Dunno when it's getting released tho`
`18:56.13`	`casperb`	`SE?`
`18:56.19`	`MindWorX	`Starcraft Editor?`
`18:56.40`	`MindWorX	`GE is a bad name, since when you start it, it actually calls itself "Starcraft II Editor" and not "Galaxy Editor" :P`
`18:56.50`	`MindWorX	`GE is a bad abrevation*`
`18:57.07`	`casperb`	`hehe yeah i guess, but blizzard's the one who's been refering to it as the galaxy editor`
`18:57.17`	`s3rius`	`why not ge?`
`18:57.26`	`MindWorX	`Yea, silly blizzard, consistency must be a challenge for those poor people :P`
`18:57.39`	`casperb`	`Yep.. can be noticed in the data`
`18:57.43`	`MindWorX	`Indeed`
`18:57.53`	`casperb`	`Naming conventions? heck no we'll just use whatever we feel like at the time`
`18:58.06`	`Repo`	`Knowledge base page update: http://www.sc2mapster.com/api-docs/functions/unit-group-alliance/ by Joshjje`
`18:58.07`	`s3rius`	`oh it was worse with jass2`
`18:58.20`	`casperb`	`Galaxy code is consistent tho, i'm thankful for that`
`18:58.34`	`s3rius`	`yep`
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`18:58.56`	`casperb`	`Let's just hope the community retains that, ususally where things get ugly`
`18:59.40`	`casperb`	`code functionality doesn't matter, just has to look pretty and have nice abstractions :P`
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`19:00.16`	`Barter1`	`http://www.code-gen.net/sc2beta/`
`19:00.36`	`s3rius`	`:P`
`19:00.55`	`Ignorance`	`BARTER`
`19:00.57`	`Ignorance`	`WHAT'S UP BRO`
`19:01.10`	`Barter`	`:D`
`19:01.11`	`Barter`	`hey`
`19:01.27`	`Ignorance`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0u5HwLR9Brc`
`19:01.36`	`Ignorance`	`Tehwildcard and I made that map.`
`19:01.37`	`Ignorance`	`;D`
`19:01.44`	`Barter`	`really?`
`19:01.46`	`Barter`	`nice`
`19:01.46`	`Ignorance`	`It was mostly me >_>`
`19:01.49`	`Barter`	`:P`
`19:02.01`	`Ignorance`	`but yeah`
`19:02.04`	`Ignorance`	`we been hard at work`
`19:02.05`	`Ignorance`	`or something`
`19:02.13`	`Ignorance`	`and fatal's making tower line wars`
`19:02.48`	`AsaPhelps`	`was thet video recorded before bnet went down I'm guessing?`
`19:02.53`	`Raharu`	`yes`
`19:02.57`	`Ignorance`	`I'm currently reworking some shit so I can add more modes more easily.`
`19:03.01`	`Ignorance`	`I want to have like 6+ modes`
`19:03.04`	`Ignorance`	`when it comes back up`
`19:03.39`	`depthsofchaos`	`make a pac man mod :o`
`19:03.47`	`Barter`	`I was making a top down wasd rpg, had some nice stuff done but the wasd lag put me off of it`
`19:03.57`	`AsaPhelps`	`is huskystarcraft a pro announcer?`
`19:04.01`	`Barter`	`just not playable on bnet`
`19:04.09`	`Ignorance`	`Yeah.`
`19:04.12`	`depthsofchaos`	`payed? no`
`19:04.20`	`Ignorance`	`depthsofchaos, I might. :P`
`19:04.44`	`Ignorance`	`I'm definitely going to make 'infection' and players are fires who eat AI sentries if I can.`
`19:05.20`	`depthsofchaos`	`haha and how are you going to make the fleeing?`
`19:05.29`	`Ignorance`	`I don't know how a pacman mode would work, though. I'd assume I would just do it based on points.`
`19:05.41`	`Ignorance`	`I'm just not sure how to make a good AI for them.`
`19:05.44`	`Ignorance`	`We shall see.`
`19:06.02`	`Ignorance`	`fleeing isn't as hard as say...using hallucinations properly`
`19:06.09`	`Ignorance`	`or force fields`
`19:06.11`	`Ignorance`	`at the right time`
`19:06.17`	`Ignorance`	`infection would be interesting for scoring`
`19:06.19`	`depthsofchaos`	`is there already pvp mod?`
`19:06.24`	`Ignorance`	`nope`
`19:06.25`	`Ignorance`	`well`
`19:06.25`	`Ignorance`	`yeah`
`19:06.26`	`Ignorance`	`ffa`
`19:06.27`	`Ignorance`	`;)`
`19:06.34`	`Ignorance`	`you don't hurt other people directly though, no.`
`19:06.39`	`depthsofchaos`	`i mean fire vs sentry all human controled`
`19:06.42`	`Ignorance`	`nope`
`19:06.51`	`Ignorance`	`that'll probably be infection of some sort.`
`19:07.34`	`Ignorance`	`like, there's two blue fires at the start. If they win, they get two points. Otherwise, anyone who survives...`
`19:07.36`	`Ignorance`	`;)`
`19:07.55`	`Ignorance`	`I'll have a handful of red fires spawn too`
`19:08.00`	`Ignorance`	`so players don't just dodge him perpetually`
`19:08.09`	`Ignorance`	`might make sentries stronger for the round`
`19:08.10`	`Ignorance`	`etc. etc.`
`19:08.27`	`Ignorance`	`my issue right now with it is that`
`19:08.29`	`Ignorance`	`one player`
`19:08.30`	`Ignorance`	`could go afk`
`19:08.31`	`depthsofchaos`	`i hope you upload it to eu :p`
`19:08.34`	`Ignorance`	`and it would ruin the game`
`19:08.45`	`Ignorance`	`Can I even do that without an EU account? :P`
`19:08.47`	`depthsofchaos`	`well you could add atributes`
`19:08.55`	`depthsofchaos`	`based on the players missing`
`19:08.59`	`depthsofchaos`	`thats what i do`
`19:09.03`	`Ignorance`	`my issue is if a player goes afk`
`19:09.04`	`Ignorance`	`I need`
`19:09.06`	`Ignorance`	`afk detection`
`19:09.08`	`Ignorance`	`pretty much`
`19:09.16`	`Ignorance`	`I'm also adding the ability to choose modes during round`
`19:09.17`	`depthsofchaos`	`you cant :/ right now`
`19:09.21`	`Ignorance`	`or auto-pick modes`
`19:09.30`	`Bifuu`	`why not just`
`19:09.41`	`Bifuu`	`compare location with last known location`
`19:09.48`	`Bifuu`	`if its the same they arnt moving`
`19:09.53`	`Bifuu`	`so probably afk`
`19:10.01`	`Barter`	`yeah`
`19:10.01`	`Ignorance`	`rofl`
`19:10.04`	`Ignorance`	`if a blue fire stays still`
`19:10.05`	`AsaPhelps`	`that guy's voice gives me a headache after a while`
`19:10.06`	`Ignorance`	`for 20s`
`19:10.11`	`Ignorance`	`= auto-win for everyone else ;)`
`19:10.14`	`depthsofchaos`	`well hard to tel if hes camping or afk :p`
`19:10.20`	`Bifuu`	`then again standing still is a strat possibly`
`19:10.25`	`Ignorance`	`that's another problem`
`19:10.29`	`Ignorance`	`exactly`
`19:10.35`	`depthsofchaos`	`you could add damage overtime if a target isnt moving`
`19:10.43`	`Beider`	`umm is the open problem in the news post really a problem?`
`19:10.49`	`Ignorance`	`how do I know if he's afk or sitting there? there's no way to tell...`
`19:10.52`	`Ignorance`	`I could make it so`
`19:10.55`	`Ignorance`	`the 'human' fires`
`19:10.57`	`Ignorance`	`have to consume`
`19:10.59`	`Ignorance`	`pellets`
`19:11.00`	`Ignorance`	`or they die`
`19:11.02`	`Beider`	`The unit stays in memory for a few seconds after being killed, you can extract all the info of the unit at that time`
`19:11.04`	`depthsofchaos`	`you add a behaviour that gets cast away on move`
`19:11.20`	`Ignorance`	`the thing is, a player could not do anything at all`
`19:11.23`	`Ignorance`	`and still be there`
`19:11.33`	`Ignorance`	`there's no way to detect a true afker except after long periods of time`
`19:11.44`	`depthsofchaos`	`give him a dialog :p`
`19:11.46`	`depthsofchaos`	`are you afk?:p`
`19:11.51`	`JamesObscura`	`I could have sworn seeing a solution to it...`
`19:11.51`	`Ignorance`	`I'll just make it so that`
`19:11.58`	`Ignorance`	`the fire player HAS TO move to survive`
`19:12.01`	`Ignorance`	`that way, he'll just die`
`19:12.03`	`Ignorance`	`if he's afk`
`19:12.09`	`Ignorance`	`and all the sentries will rejoice`
`19:12.17`	`Ignorance`	`and go like YAY HAIL IGNORANCE!`
`19:12.34`	`Barter`	`lol`
`19:12.42`	`Bifuu`	`what about`
`19:12.44`	`Bifuu`	`if afk`
`19:12.47`	`Bifuu`	`switch to ai?`
`19:12.48`	`Ignorance`	`the thing is, though`
`19:12.49`	`Ignorance`	`I need`
`19:12.50`	`JamesObscura`	`I think the solution was using a bank to save/load the unit as an alternative to reviving. Could be wrong though, I haven't personally messed with banks.`
`19:12.51`	`Ignorance`	`afk host detection`
`19:12.51`	`Bifuu`	`so the game doesnt auto end`
`19:12.54`	`Ignorance`	`for like`
`19:12.56`	`Nevir`	`Have the fire's health tick down if it hasn't moved in the last little bit?`
`19:12.57`	`Ignorance`	`if he doesn't pick a mode`
`19:13.03`	`Ignorance`	`or if he's just being indecisive`
`19:13.13`	`Ignorance`	`though, I could just make it a 'vote' system`
`19:13.16`	`Ignorance`	`mmm`
`19:13.35`	`Barter`	`I think vote is better`
`19:13.56`	`Ignorance`	`yeah, I think I'll ditch the host dependency, because vote is good if you have the ability to auto-vote or vote in-round`
`19:13.59`	`Bifuu`	`is the map made to switch modes mid game?`
`19:14.07`	`Ignorance`	`Yes.`
`19:14.16`	`Bifuu`	`k then yeah id do votes`
`19:14.19`	`Ignorance`	`It can rebuild the entire maze in a random way`
`19:14.21`	`Ignorance`	`in a second`
`19:14.25`	`Bifuu`	`nice`
`19:14.45`	`Alpha_vst`	`yeah i need to work on my random map spawning :P`
`19:14.45`	`Soudeus`	`why dont you have a timer, and if the host hasnt hit a key in so long = hes AFK, so he could still stand still, but hitting keys back and forth or something`
`19:14.52`	`Bifuu`	`make sure one mode is like Roulette, it auto chooses a mode`
`19:14.53`	`Bifuu`	`haha`
`19:14.53`	`Ignorance`	`I think the latency is from placing like 1000 units, rather than anything more intensive.`
`19:15.13`	`Bifuu`	`1000 units? what do you use for the walls? lol`
`19:15.56`	`Alpha_vst`	`cubes`
`19:16.01`	`Bifuu`	`O.o`
`19:16.17`	`Alpha_vst`	`at least i think thats what he uses`
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`19:17.33`	`Bifuu`	`id try to work with terrain deforms then haha`
`19:17.54`	`Alpha_vst`	`thats hard to reset`
`19:18.03`	`Alpha_vst`	`ask helral 0.o`
`19:18.04`	`depthsofchaos`	`wow im impressed at how good i am at my shock combo spell xD`
`19:18.11`	`Bifuu`	`i havnt tried`
`19:18.19`	`Bifuu`	`but im sure in the end its better than 43285738297293874 cube units`
`19:18.30`	`Alpha_vst`	`he uses terrain deform is his map`
`19:19.03`	`Alpha_vst`	`i use big 6x6 squares :P`
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`19:20.20`	`Bifuu`	`i got 2 projects for mapping lol im so happy i finally have something to do`
`19:21.16`	`Alpha_vst`	`you should make me some stuff :P`
`19:21.17`	`Soudeus`	`heh`
`19:21.33`	`Soudeus`	`same here, Bifuu, im just getting into it though`
`19:22.04`	`Bifuu`	`well im not creative`
`19:22.04`	`Bifuu`	`so`
`19:22.07`	`Alpha_vst`	`is it possible to make a comand card and use it with multi units?`
`19:22.10`	`Bifuu`	`its hard for me to make my own ideas`
`19:22.19`	`Alpha_vst`	`or do you have to make the same thing for each unit`
`19:22.25`	`Bifuu`	`so im working with Pandepic on a pretty large map`
`19:22.35`	`Bifuu`	`and then imma make a TD just cuz i can`
`19:22.41`	`Bifuu`	`TD is a side project of sorts`
`19:22.42`	`Soudeus`	`yeah im not too creative either, im an experienced programmer, but not in SC map making`
`19:22.43`	`casperb`	`Being creative and being original is not the same thing :P`
`19:22.50`	`Alpha_vst`	`then your going to make me some shit right bifuu :D`
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`19:22.56`	`Bifuu`	`lol`
`19:22.59`	`Bifuu`	`make you what?`
`19:23.05`	`Alpha_vst`	`idono yet`
`19:23.06`	`Bifuu`	`im only good at the Data editor`
`19:23.10`	`Alpha_vst`	`i need bosses`
`19:23.12`	`Alpha_vst`	`that are epic`
`19:23.28`	`Bifuu`	`thats more AI than Data`
`19:23.47`	`Alpha_vst`	`not when i want them to eat zombies and other shit`
`19:23.55`	`Ziron`	`doesn't most bosses autoattack while activating an ability every X seconds?`
`19:23.58`	`Soudeus`	`unless he just wants some awesome models/weapons/etc and use hte default AI`
`19:25.27`	`Bifuu`	`Ziron: depends on the game`
`19:25.31`	`Bifuu`	`if this was WoW, sure`
`19:25.49`	`Ziron`	`WoW is my main experiance with bosses ^^`
`19:26.10`	`Ziron`	`Though it's similar in many action games like devil may cry`
`19:26.15`	`Soudeus`	`thatd be pretty cool, a WoW type boss encounter, close cameras, large boss, with a very strategic approach to beating it`
`19:26.20`	`Alpha_vst`	`im going to start coding my first boss soon my list so far Queen - Eat zombies to heal / aura that makes zombies stronger and faster / Puke which Makes special zombies / with some crazy AI`
`19:26.50`	`casperb`	`Someone shoul dmake lemmings for SC2 :P`
`19:26.58`	`casperb`	`Started on it, but have other ideas i prefer`
`19:27.43`	`Barter`	`I dunno if I should continue working on my map which uses WASD movement, you guys think blizzard is gonna fix the lag?`
`19:27.51`	`Alpha_vst`	`so yeah i need some abilites`
`19:27.51`	`Ziron`	`hmm, I suppose you'd turn the map sideways, would be a bit bothersome to make the tunneling and crap`
`19:27.59`	`Alpha_vst`	`Barter "they want to"`
`19:28.03`	`Ziron`	`I wouldn't count on them fixing it any time soon.`
`19:28.15`	`Barter`	`hmm`
`19:28.22`	`Soudeus`	`can you use multithreading for input code?`
`19:28.27`	`Alpha_vst`	`lol`
`19:28.28`	`finlay`	`has blizzard decided what the file size is going to be for maps?`
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`19:28.33`	`finlay`	`for publishing`
`19:28.36`	`finlay`	`at release`
`19:28.36`	`casperb`	`10mb?`
`19:28.43`	`Alpha_vst`	`so far is what was in beta`
`19:28.45`	`Alpha_vst`	`....`
`19:28.46`	`Barter`	`I suppose they should cause of all the hype they made for FPS maps and so on`
`19:28.47`	`Alpha_vst`	`:(`
`19:28.51`	`Ziron`	`the file size depends on how much crap you embed I'd guess.`
`19:28.59`	`Barter`	`bah`
`19:29.00`	`finlay`	`I mean 'max file size'`
`19:29.15`	`Alpha_vst`	`Ziron my map is almost 20mb`
`19:29.21`	`Soudeus`	`are you able to have your WASD/whatever input triggers be multithreaded?`
`19:29.26`	`Alpha_vst`	`im fucked because they hate me`
`19:29.29`	`Ziron`	`how did you get it to 20mb o.O?`
`19:29.49`	`Alpha_vst`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N2CqXmjZkSE`
`19:29.55`	`Alpha_vst`	`plus a lot of shit you dont see`
`19:29.55`	`Soudeus`	`anyone know...`
`19:30.12`	`casperb`	`define multithreaded`
`19:30.18`	`Ziron`	`that background image took 20mb?`
`19:30.24`	`Alpha_vst`	`im doing a big conversion...`
`19:30.33`	`Alpha_vst`	`no Ziron...`
`19:30.46`	`Soudeus`	`uh, having your input handling run concurrently with other triggers`
`19:30.49`	`casperb`	`You're triggers are going to fire in whatever thread SC2 deems appropriate`
`19:30.49`	`Alpha_vst`	`plus a lot of shit you dont see`
`19:31.01`	`casperb`	`but it is already concurrent`
`19:31.41`	`casperb`	`wish we had an asyncronious UI API`
`19:32.04`	`casperb`	`would eliminate all the lag issues with key/mouse`
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`19:32.24`	`Nevir`	`How is it sync right now?`
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`19:32.33`	`Alpha_vst`	`not really they send all that data to prevent cheating`
`19:32.35`	`Soudeus`	`well ive seen the lag problem youve mentioned, and i know the editor has some sort of threading capability, albeit maybe not true thrteading, i dont know, but any input handling definitely needs to be handled in parallel with other things so you can detect input, or many inputs, during laggy parts, etc`
`19:32.42`	`Alpha_vst`	`HEY heysparky`
`19:33.15`	`Nevir`	`I don't think spawning triggers in their own threads would help this one, though - seems like most of the lag is just the volume of network chatter about the keypresses`
`19:33.16`	`finlay`	`Alpha_vst: neat concept`
`19:33.31`	`Alpha_vst`	`how have you not seen that finlay?`
`19:33.33`	`Alpha_vst`	`lol`
`19:33.45`	`finlay`	`only got in here yesterday`
`19:33.59`	`Alpha_vst`	`lies`
`19:34.02`	`Ziron`	`As far as I can tell, right now if you have a kepress event trigger, all your keypresses get sent to each other player and the trigger won't respond until you got an answer back from them.`
`19:34.08`	`Alpha_vst`	`i showed it a few times yesterday`
`19:34.14`	`Soudeus`	`its probably just poorly written input detection then, on their part`
`19:34.16`	`Nevir`	`Oh wow - waits for a response too? Ugh`
`19:34.39`	`Soudeus`	`@zircon that def is bad`
`19:34.41`	`Ziron`	`I'm just speculating, but that would explain the extreme lag`
`19:34.48`	`RickA`	`Anybody know how I can make a unit give itself a buff as long as its channeling an ability?`
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`19:35.30`	`Barter`	`Ziron: but even if you are the only one playing on the map it lags if you are playing on bnet`
`19:35.58`	`Ziron`	`I guess then it's sending every keypress to b.net and waiting for response, seems silly.`
`19:36.16`	`Alpha_vst`	`Ziron they send all key presses to prevent cheating`
`19:36.22`	`Ziron`	`Why is B.net hosting singleplayer games o.O?`
`19:36.40`	`Alpha_vst`	`because of cheating`
`19:37.11`	`casperb`	`but all the input code does is delegate further commands`
`19:37.19`	`casperb`	`as it should do`
`19:37.50`	`casperb`	`well in theo you could write it in other ways but no sane developer would do that`
`19:37.53`	`Alpha_vst`	`its the only thing that makes sense eveyrthing you do is sent to the server and checked`
`19:37.53`	`casperb`	`theory *`
`19:38.29`	`casperb`	`just saying that UI could be handled locally`
`19:39.04`	`Alpha_vst`	`it could and then you have hacks like maphacks not saying it will prevent it but...`
`19:39.05`	`Nevir`	`Might be more difficult to keep clients (and some b.net server?) in sync if you have to sync the result of events rather than just firing the same events across the board and ensuring that each client's internal state keeps in step`
`19:39.15`	`heysparky`	`howdy folks!`
`19:39.21`	`RickA`	`Hey sparky`
`19:39.28`	`heysparky`	`heya Alpha :D`
`19:39.49`	`Alpha_vst`	`oh yeah`
`19:39.51`	`casperb`	`Not really anything that's more hackable if UI is handled locally :P`
`19:40.03`	`heysparky`	`Heya Rick :D`
`19:40.05`	`casperb`	`any decent networking arc does it this way`
`19:40.37`	`Hackx`	`As someone with absolutely no modding/mapping experience where would a good place to start be?`
`19:40.43`	`Ziron`	`the UI should be able to be handled locally, but stuff like WASD movement would have to be synced anyhow.`
`19:40.43`	`casperb`	`menu's are handled locally AFAIK`
`19:40.44`	`heysparky`	`Soudeus, I think it's less that it's poorly written than it is that the game is totally optimized for RTS camera and inputs`
`19:40.49`	`Alpha_vst`	`I think i actually fixed my spawning bug this time`
`19:40.50`	`Ziron`	`Depends what you're more interested in doing`
`19:40.59`	`Ziron`	`OneTwo SC has some awesome video tutorials`
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`19:41.11`	`casperb`	`Hackx: developer?`
`19:41.17`	`Hackx`	`that a website or youtube channel?`
`19:41.22`	`Hackx`	`umm`
`19:41.30`	`Hackx`	`im in school for game design`
`19:41.40`	`Hackx`	`and want to start getting stuff for a portfolio`
`19:41.41`	`Jonanin`	`is there any way to put myself in an 'observer' slot when i test my map, to let two AI play`
`19:41.46`	`Ziron`	`http://www.youtube.com/user/OneTwoSC`
`19:41.51`	`heysparky`	`Hackx, Beider and Mikelat have some good intro tutorials`
`19:42.01`	`heysparky`	`you can find them on teh youtubes`
`19:42.06`	`Ziron`	`You default to player 1, so just program player 1 to be an observer`
`19:42.17`	`Jonanin`	`how do I do that?`
`19:42.20`	`Hackx`	`ok, thanks`
`19:42.32`	`Bifuu`	`onetwo has some good ones too`
`19:42.41`	`Nevir`	`So, actor events and opacity. Setting the unit's opacity on actor creation seems to consistently do nothing, or get overwritten. I've been setting a 0 second timer and then setting the opacity when it fires. There's got to be a better way to do this, though? :-/`
`19:42.43`	`Bifuu`	`my old ones might still be a little relevant aswell`
`19:42.48`	`Alpha_vst`	`but yours are awesome bifuu :P`
`19:42.51`	`Alpha_vst`	`lol`
`19:42.51`	`Ziron`	`you could just make a trigger that gives you complete map vision (my editor is busy crashing <.<)`
`19:43.00`	`heysparky`	`I thought onetwo's were more advanced?`
`19:43.03`	`heysparky`	`and Bifuu's`
`19:43.08`	`RickA`	`Anybody know how I can make a unit give itself a buff as long as its channeling an ability?`
`19:43.19`	`Ziron`	`onetwo goes all the way from the basics to pretty advanced.`
`19:43.29`	`heysparky`	`ah, okay, sorry to leave him out`
`19:43.30`	`heysparky`	`:)`
`19:43.32`	`Alpha_vst`	`yeah abiltiy start ricka`
`19:43.42`	`RickA`	`So triggers are the way to go?`
`19:43.42`	`Alpha_vst`	`make it give a buff`
`19:43.45`	`Alpha_vst`	`nope`
`19:43.48`	`heysparky`	`so, hackx, lots of things available to you`
`19:43.49`	`Jonanin`	`how can I destroy all units owned by a player?`
`19:43.50`	`Alpha_vst`	`its under the ability`
`19:43.59`	`casperb`	`beider has some two, but he writes terrible code imo (sorry dude :P)`
`19:44.03`	`heysparky`	`jonanin, triggers?`
`19:44.06`	`Ziron`	`you could make a for each loop that destroys them`
`19:44.13`	`Alpha_vst`	`Jonanin select all units owned by a player in the whole map`
`19:44.22`	`Alpha_vst`	`then kill them`
`19:44.29`	`RickA`	`What's the exact field?`
`19:44.30`	`Alpha_vst`	`<PROTECTED>`
`19:44.34`	`RickA`	`name of the field, that is`
`19:45.16`	`Ziron`	`You could also go map->game variant->observer type`
`19:45.20`	`Ziron`	`and set player 1 to observer`
`19:45.21`	`Alpha_vst`	`i was wrong :P i have no idea`
`19:45.51`	`RickA`	`Well, you gave me the idea to use triggers. That'll at least get this off the ground.`
`19:46.01`	`Alpha_vst`	`ricka its actually a behavior`
`19:46.01`	`heysparky`	`the World Cup sounds like it's being swarmed by bees`
`19:46.15`	`Hackx`	`^`
`19:46.22`	`RickA`	`You're confusing me now.`
`19:46.24`	`Hackx`	`i muted it`
`19:46.26`	`Bifuu`	`its the hiorns`
`19:46.29`	`Bifuu`	`horns`
`19:47.13`	`heysparky`	`it's bees`
`19:47.15`	`heysparky`	`I know it`
`19:47.22`	`Hackx`	`very angry bees`
`19:47.46`	`heysparky`	`yes`
`19:47.50`	`Ziron`	`I wish I was better at data, but what you basically want to do is have your ability trigger a behavior buff with the same duration as the channel.`
`19:47.53`	`heysparky`	`maybe that's why players fall over periodically`
`19:49.04`	`RickA`	`Alpha, what's a behavior?`
`19:49.30`	`RickA`	`Ziron, its a channeling ability, which means you can interrupt it`
`19:49.33`	`AsaPhelps`	`but what if he stops channeling`
`19:50.07`	`Jcup`	`RickA maybe look at Nueral Parasite`
`19:50.08`	`RickA`	`Right now my best bet may be having a period .5 buff placer which lasts .6 seconds....`
`19:50.13`	`Jcup`	`That channels a behavior`
`19:50.26`	`RickA`	`That's the ONLY channeling ability, right?`
`19:50.33`	`Jcup`	`uhh`
`19:50.37`	`heysparky`	`Neural Parasite is a good, meaty behavior`
`19:50.48`	`RickA`	`Right, which means its too complex for something simpler.`
`19:50.50`	`AsaPhelps`	`there's a validator rick`
`19:50.55`	`AsaPhelps`	`Target Not Channeling`
`19:50.56`	`heysparky`	`No, Rick - nukes too`
`19:51.02`	`heysparky`	`right ?`
`19:51.03`	`RickA`	`Oooh, you're right`
`19:51.13`	`AsaPhelps`	`you could give the behavior a valiator`
`19:51.27`	`AsaPhelps`	`so while channeling its applied or vice versa`
`19:51.44`	`RickA`	`Does Target Not Channeling mean the target or the casting unit?`
`19:51.48`	`AsaPhelps`	`oh wait I can't read`
`19:51.53`	`AsaPhelps`	`it says target not changeling`
`19:51.53`	`Jcup`	`U can change it`
`19:51.58`	`Jcup`	`Lol`
`19:51.59`	`Jcup`	`xD`
`19:52.16`	`AsaPhelps`	`wait`
`19:52.20`	`AsaPhelps`	`validator has a field`
`19:52.25`	`RickA`	`If the behavior gets removed because of the validator, it still does the Effect - Final part right?`
`19:52.27`	`AsaPhelps`	`"Ignore while channeling"`
`19:52.41`	`AsaPhelps`	`hmm`
`19:52.46`	`Jcup`	`thats not what ur looking for tho`
`19:52.48`	`AsaPhelps`	`well infestor needs to channel`
`19:52.49`	`Alpha_vst`	`HMMM`
`19:52.54`	`RickA`	`Let me explain the whole thing`
`19:53.01`	`RickA`	`A unit starts channeling an ability`
`19:53.05`	`Alpha_vst`	`sorry for confusing you ricka :P`
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`19:53.25`	`RickA`	`It places a buff on any unit in range`
`19:53.39`	`Alpha_vst`	`OMG`
`19:53.41`	`RickA`	`If the unit dies, a new unit of its type is created for the channeling caster`
`19:53.50`	`Ignorance`	`I use cubes for the walls, Bifuu.`
`19:53.52`	`Ignorance`	`That's why.`
`19:53.59`	`RickA`	`Once the unit stops channeling, any units created by that effect die.`
`19:54.02`	`Bifuu`	`o`
`19:54.17`	`Ignorance`	`I might be able to make a better algorithm.`
`19:54.19`	`Ignorance`	`for like`
`19:54.20`	`Alpha_vst`	`i said that`
`19:54.21`	`Alpha_vst`	`:P`
`19:54.23`	`Ignorance`	`placing 2x2 cubes`
`19:54.30`	`Ignorance`	`<PROTECTED>`
`19:54.30`	`Ignorance`	`<+Bifuu> 1000 units? what do you use for the walls? lol`
`19:54.38`	`RickA`	`What I'm trying to do now`
`19:54.42`	`Alpha_vst`	`yeah then i said he uses cubes :P`
`19:54.48`	`RickA`	`Is create a buff for the unit when its starts channeling`
`19:54.50`	`Alpha_vst`	`then bifuu was liek 0.o`
`19:54.53`	`RickA`	`and goes away when it stops`
`19:54.53`	`Ignorance`	`I need to test if it's the algorithm or the unit placement that takes so long.`
`19:54.59`	`Ignorance`	`I suspect it to be the unit placement.`
`19:55.06`	`RickA`	`and its final effect would be to kill any units that were created`
`19:55.07`	`rrowland`	`I bet it's the algorithm`
`19:55.11`	`rrowland`	`How many units do you place`
`19:55.13`	`Ignorance`	`1000`
`19:55.21`	`Alpha_vst`	`im offically calling it`
`19:55.22`	`rrowland`	`That wouldn't cause any lag imo`
`19:55.26`	`Ignorance`	`hmm`
`19:55.27`	`Alpha_vst`	`my spawning is fixed`
`19:55.29`	`Ignorance`	`I'll test it.`
`19:55.41`	`Alpha_vst`	`ive ran this thing liek 50 times`
`19:55.57`	`Ignorance`	`rrowland, if it's the algorithm, that makes me saddened. :(`
`19:56.02`	`Ignorance`	`it takes 70 or so spots`
`19:56.04`	`Ziron`	`the infestor seems to channel a persistent that applies a behavior`
`19:56.06`	`Ignorance`	`and draws lines between them`
`19:56.07`	`Ignorance`	`in a row`
`19:56.18`	`RickA`	`I've made a channeling ability before`
`19:56.19`	`Alpha_vst`	`yeah`
`19:56.21`	`rrowland`	`70x70 lines?`
`19:56.24`	`finlay`	`are banks persistant on each player's computer for any map of the same name/id? are they stored on bnet instead? does each player get a bank or is it a common bank for all players of a given map?`
`19:56.35`	`RickA`	`I just don't know exactly why it works.`
`19:56.48`	`Ignorance`	`no, 70 spots and it draws a line from the first one to the second to the third to the fourth, by changing booleans in a grid`
`19:56.55`	`Alpha_vst`	`finlay currently its locally saved`
`19:56.55`	`Ignorance`	`so, like, it makes a right angle of empty spots in the grid`
`19:56.57`	`Jcup`	`RickA can u use "Unit Order Queue" Validator`
`19:57.02`	`Ignorance`	`____\|`
`19:57.13`	`Jcup`	`U can check if the caster is using the channeled ability`
`19:57.20`	`casperb`	`finlay: AFAIK banks are only stored locally,and are stored by the name you give the bank`
`19:57.22`	`finlay`	`Alpha_vst: so the 'version checker' thing only really works to tell the person they have played a later version then they are currently playing`
`19:57.23`	`Jcup`	`and remove accordingly`
`19:57.38`	`Alpha_vst`	`finlay and anything can overwrite your banks if they knwo the name :(`
`19:57.38`	`finlay`	`casperb: so I could conceivably load another map's bank?`
`19:57.38`	`Ziron`	`banks are stored in my documents`
`19:57.44`	`rrowland`	`If you only do it once though it shouldn't be a big deal`
`19:57.47`	`rrowland`	`How much does it lag?`
`19:57.52`	`casperb`	`finlay: quite easily`
`19:58.06`	`Alpha_vst`	`afk`
`19:58.06`	`RickA`	`Good idea Jcup`
`19:58.11`	`Jcup`	`:DD thanks`
`19:58.26`	`finlay`	`k, the security issues don't bother me with banks`
`19:58.29`	`casperb`	`finlay: first thing i would do is to just to generate a SHA1 hash or something like that and make that the bank name`
`19:58.33`	`finlay`	`not for waht I want them for`
`19:58.46`	`finlay`	`casperb: yeah, I was thinking that`
`19:58.50`	`finlay`	`casperb: and prefix with map name`
`19:59.29`	`rrowland`	`I have a loop that runs 168x168x4 times with some moderately intensive code that only adds like 3-4 seconds to load time`
`19:59.32`	`finlay`	`then I'll start dumping wads of text from a loop into it until the person's hd fills up and explodes`
`19:59.36`	`casperb`	`or even a UUID, the probability for someone ending up with the same one is rather low`
`19:59.52`	`Ziron`	`lol, i wonder if the banks have a size limit`
`19:59.57`	`casperb`	`there's a max size of like 90 kb :P`
`20:00.08`	`rrowland`	`For multiplayer only`
`20:00.13`	`finlay`	`casperb: just make sure to put the map name so someone can clean up their bank files manually`
`20:00.20`	`rrowland`	`single player is limitless I think`
`20:00.37`	`casperb`	`same API tho`
`20:00.54`	`finlay`	`it's too bad we can't 7zip the bank files`
`20:01.05`	`finlay`	`sure it would add load time for large banks`
`20:01.09`	`finlay`	`but damn that's a lot of text.`
`20:01.14`	`Ziron`	`Why would you ever need more then like 90kb? That's a pretty huge amount of stuff to save.`
`20:01.28`	`Ziron`	`considering that back in WC3 you have like 12 characters.`
`20:01.35`	`Ziron`	`*had`
`20:01.39`	`depthsofchaos`	`im gona make a map that deletes all data from all popular maps :p`
`20:01.46`	`Nevir`	`People always find reasons, Ziron :P`
`20:02.08`	`MindWorX	`[22:02] <Ziron> considering that back in WC3 you have like 12 characters.`
`20:02.11`	`MindWorX	`What do you mean?`
`20:02.24`	`rrowland`	`It's 90kb combines`
`20:02.28`	`finlay`	`Ziron: "640K ought to be enough for anybody." - Bill Gates, 1981`
`20:02.30`	`Ziron`	`People used to make their map spew out a 4x4 charstring that you were meant to printscreen`
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`20:02.43`	`MindWorX	`Ah`
`20:02.44`	`Ignorance`	`rrowland, it only takes a second.`
`20:02.51`	`rrowland`	`so if there are 14 players it's 6kb each`
`20:02.57`	`MindWorX	`That's more like 30 characters, but yea`
`20:03.17`	`Ziron`	`4x4 as in xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx`
`20:03.17`	`Ignorance`	`Is there a way to reset an array? i.e. so all of its values are true?`
`20:03.18`	`finlay`	`rrowland: really? even though it's on diff comps?`
`20:03.21`	`AsaPhelps`	`You figure it out rick?`
`20:03.22`	`Ignorance`	`without going through it line by line?`
`20:03.29`	`Nevir`	`Ignorance - loop over it and set each value`
`20:03.32`	`casperb`	`loop and set`
`20:03.50`	`Ignorance`	`I'm asking if there's a way other than that. :p`
`20:03.58`	`rrowland`	`Yeah the limit is combined banks`
`20:04.01`	`fatal5101`	`its IGNORANCE!`
`20:04.04`	`casperb`	`we can't get the array size, so we can't write libraries to deal with arrays :P`
`20:04.04`	`rrowland`	`So about 6kb per player`
`20:04.04`	`Nevir`	`Nope - that's how GE sets them to begin with`
`20:04.06`	`Ignorance`	`:p`
`20:04.24`	`rrowland`	`Then if you let each player have 6 characters that's 1kb per character`
`20:04.24`	`Barter`	`its FATAL!`
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`20:04.33`	`rrowland`	`Which is still plenty imo`
`20:04.44`	`finlay`	`I know there's a limit of things we can publish. Does that apply to libraries as well?`
`20:04.50`	`rrowland`	`You just need to not store strings`
`20:04.55`	`rrowland`	`And only store things in byte/bit form`
`20:05.05`	`fatal5101`	`omg its Barter!!!`
`20:05.10`	`fatal5101`	`more old timers!`
`20:05.14`	`Barter`	`:D`
`20:05.16`	`casperb`	`one byte can represent alot :P`
`20:05.27`	`rrowland`	`Yeah`
`20:05.31`	`rrowland`	`Can be 8 boolean flags`
`20:05.36`	`fatal5101`	`what cool things are you doing here Barter?`
`20:05.39`	`rrowland`	`Or 4 0-3 values`
`20:05.52`	`Ziron`	`or 256 options`
`20:05.55`	`rrowland`	`Or 2 0-15 values`
`20:05.59`	`casperb`	`255 ?`
`20:06.02`	`Barter`	`not much lately`
`20:06.07`	`Ziron`	`bleh, 255 :p`
`20:06.07`	`rrowland`	`0-255 is 256`
`20:06.23`	`Nevir`	`I'm curious why these limitations are such an issue though - does the game prevent you from opening multiple banks in a map?`
`20:06.36`	`rrowland`	`You can open as many banks as you want`
`20:06.42`	`rrowland`	`As long as they are under 90kb total`
`20:06.57`	`finlay`	`is there a reason why to make one big library vs many small libs?`
`20:06.57`	`Ziron`	`They're not an issue unless you want to store images or something in there.`
`20:07.01`	`MindWorX	`Do you have any testes to prove that rrowland?`
`20:07.04`	`finlay`	`specifically thinking of publishing`
`20:07.12`	`Ziron`	`it's annoying to download 15 libraries?`
`20:07.27`	`finlay`	`okay but there's no bnet limit?`
`20:07.33`	`finlay`	`like X maps can be published to bnet`
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`20:07.38`	`casperb`	`libraries are embedded into mods AFAIK?`
`20:07.41`	`Nevir`	`Don't libs get inlined in your map?`
`20:07.43`	`casperb`	`mods or maps`
`20:07.47`	`finlay`	`yeah`
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`20:07.55`	`finlay`	`but they have IDs`
`20:08.02`	`finlay`	`and GE talks about publishing`
`20:08.04`	`rrowland`	`http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/galaxy-editor-help-zone-647/sc2-bank-files-critics-167005/`
`20:08.06`	`finlay`	`and wanting a unique ID`
`20:08.16`	`Nevir`	`I think that's more for maps that depend on multiple mods that pull in libraries`
`20:08.17`	`rrowland`	`I actually don't know where 80k came from, I just got that from someone in here saying it`
`20:08.24`	`Nevir`	`so the dependencies don't conflict with each other`
`20:08.27`	`Ignorance`	`wait, so`
`20:08.28`	`rrowland`	`This link says it's like 6kb though`
`20:08.29`	`finlay`	`so you publish mods?`
`20:08.30`	`Ignorance`	`banks are stored locally?`
`20:08.40`	`Nevir`	`Yeah`
`20:08.43`	`Nevir`	`to finaly`
`20:08.44`	`casperb`	`id is just a naming prefix for generated code`
`20:08.45`	`Ignorance`	`so, if I played on two separate comps, would I be screwed?`
`20:08.52`	`finlay`	`Nevir: does a mod contain many maps?`
`20:08.54`	`Ziron`	`mail the file around`
`20:08.55`	`Ziron`	`xD`
`20:09.02`	`Ignorance`	`also inb4 decryption`
`20:09.04`	`Barter`	`Ignorance: yep afaik`
`20:09.07`	`Nevir`	`Mods contain no maps - they're just a collection of triggers & data`
`20:09.13`	`Barter`	`but you can copy the file`
`20:09.14`	`Nevir`	`but maps can depend on mods`
`20:09.18`	`rrowland`	`they're just a collection of data*`
`20:09.23`	`rrowland`	`You can't put triggers in a mod`
`20:09.28`	`Barter`	`its under documents/sc2/banks`
`20:09.28`	`finlay`	`why would you do a mod vs a library?`
`20:09.30`	`Nevir`	`err right, but you can put libs in them`
`20:09.33`	`casperb`	`rrowland: you can`
`20:09.53`	`finlay`	`seems like libs are a clear winner here`
`20:09.54`	`MindWorX	`rrowland, That link kinda disagrees with you :P`
`20:09.54`	`rrowland`	`Oh, you can put libs in a mod?`
`20:09.56`	`casperb`	`rrowland: embed the galaxy code and write a library definition for it so mod users will have a pretty API`
`20:10.07`	`Nevir`	`DotA's a great example: DotA could be a mod that defines all the units and whatnot, and then you have a variety of maps which just are different terrain`
`20:10.10`	`MindWorX	`No wait, nevermind rrowland :P`
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`20:10.15`	`MindWorX	`I misread your claim :P`
`20:10.18`	`Nevir`	`don't have to duplicate the units/whatnot for every map`
`20:10.19`	`casperb`	`you can ofc do GUI library aswell but only insane people do that :P`
`20:10.48`	`rrowland`	`I will need to look into making sniper wars a mod`
`20:10.52`	`casperb`	`btw rrowland in your WASD lib, why don't you just use a vector instead of all those hardcoded bitflags?`
`20:11.08`	`casperb`	`if you had a direction vector instead the user could rotate it on camera rotation aswell`
`20:11.22`	`ShadowLight`	`Hello..`
`20:11.36`	`rrowland`	`It does turn based on camera`
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`20:12.30`	`casperb`	`Hmm okay, only looked at the code briefly the other day`
`20:12.51`	`ShadowLight`	`Can someone tell me how to make a spell target either a unit or a point, as opposed to just a point (my spell targets the ground no matter what)?`
`20:13.46`	`Ziron`	`Why would you need unit or point, wouldn't unit be a subset of point?`
`20:14.57`	`depthsofchaos`	`nope`
`20:15.21`	`depthsofchaos`	`change target to point/unit`
`20:15.24`	`depthsofchaos`	`:o`
`20:16.08`	`Ziron`	`Apparently the bank can store exactly 781 characters`
`20:17.59`	`allenmelon`	`I wish there was a singleplayer compatible category`
`20:20.31`	`Jcup`	`ok seriously wtf x.x My damage effect is ticking twice x.x on one unit x.x.x.x.x`
`20:20.54`	`Ziron`	`with 91 valid characters, that's 71071 bits of information you can cram in unless I failed math.`
`20:21.08`	`fatal5101`	`is it set to 2 attacks ?`
`20:21.34`	`casperb`	`XML definitions also take up space tho`
`20:21.46`	`Jcup`	`No its on expire effect of a buff it does one damage attack its aoe and it hits the unit with the buff twice and everyone around it takes 1 hit from it`
`20:21.49`	`Alpha_vst`	`ziron but you can have more than 1 bank...`
`20:22.05`	`Jcup`	`x.x`
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`20:24.53`	`Jonanin`	`have pointers been removed from galaxy script or something?`
`20:25.10`	`casperb`	`believe so`
`20:25.13`	`Jonanin`	`:\`
`20:25.14`	`Ziron`	`Apparently all players and all banks share the same space limit.`
`20:25.35`	`Ziron`	`So if you have 4 players and 4 banks they still only got 71k bits to share between them.`
`20:25.49`	`casperb`	`Jonanin: was never really useful for anything so`
`20:26.04`	`Jonanin`	`casperb: um...`
`20:26.21`	`Jonanin`	`casperb: but then when i pass structs into a function they are duplicated`
`20:26.38`	`casperb`	`you couldn't have function pointers, you couldn't allocate anything`
`20:27.05`	`casperb`	`yeah but any struct you can make will be really small anyways`
`20:27.13`	`Jonanin`	`casperb: what baout..... MyStruct blah; blah.foo = 5; test(&blah);`
`20:27.26`	`Jonanin`	`if i change something in test function`
`20:27.36`	`casperb`	`you couldn't dereference a pointer :P`
`20:27.46`	`Jonanin`	`it's not a pointer.`
`20:27.58`	`Jonanin`	`???`
`20:27.59`	`casperb`	`still, you couldn't do that AFAIK`
`20:28.03`	`Jonanin`	`why not?`
`20:28.11`	`casperb`	`wasn't possible to dereference anything`
`20:28.14`	`Jonanin`	`then what exactly were pointers for...`
`20:28.39`	`casperb`	`design mistake i guess`
`20:28.41`	`Jonanin`	`so that means I have to use globals for everything.`
`20:28.47`	`Jcup`	`How x.x is this stupid damage effect applying twice it makes no sense x.x`
`20:29.12`	`casperb`	`Jonanin: not really, it just means structs are immutable`
`20:29.34`	`Alpha_vst`	`okay now to work on my zombie ai so i can make a new video :D`
`20:29.37`	`Jonanin`	`well if I want to use structs to keep track of state... then yes i do`
`20:30.37`	`casperb`	`Jonanin: why?`
`20:31.11`	`casperb`	`i mean at some point the top level variable has to be global (can be private tho)`
`20:31.22`	`casperb`	`but functions can still deal with structs perfectly fine`
`20:31.22`	`Jonanin`	`MyUnit foo; foo.ammo = 5; fireWeapon(foo); // subtracts one from ammo`
`20:31.30`	`Jonanin`	`foo.ammo will still be 5 in that function`
`20:32.05`	`Jonanin`	`because it's not passed by reference... so a local copy is made in fireWeapon`
`20:32.14`	`Jonanin`	`I have to use globals for everything./`
`20:32.18`	`casperb`	`yep, would have to return it`
`20:32.23`	`casperb`	`misuse of structs in this case tho`
`20:32.27`	`Jonanin`	`how?`
`20:32.49`	`casperb`	`foo is immutable`
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`20:32.55`	`casperb`	`which means you can't change it`
`20:33.06`	`Jonanin`	`um?...`
`20:33.19`	`Jonanin`	`how is it immutable?`
`20:33.26`	`Xan`	`is it possible to disable the "pushing" mechanics in the data editor? (i.e. a unit pushes another unit to get through to a point)`
`20:33.34`	`Jonanin`	`so a misuse of structs is to actually use them?`
`20:33.41`	`casperb`	`exactly!`
`20:33.42`	`casperb`	`:P`
`20:34.02`	`Jonanin`	`seems like they just designed galaxy to fit the very specific needs of code generation for triggers`
`20:34.13`	`Jonanin`	`not like it's actually that useful as a programming language or anything.`
`20:34.22`	`casperb`	`pretty much`
`20:34.49`	`casperb`	`But if you take for example vector3 as struct, structs work fine`
`20:35.18`	`Alpha_vst`	`xan you have to set pushable for allies but own units use the flag of pushable`
`20:35.22`	`Jonanin`	`yeah, I know, but it seems like it would be useful to use them to keep track of state`
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`20:35.31`	`Alpha_vst`	`Xan so you have to unset the pushable flyag`
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`20:36.18`	`Jonanin`	`but I'm sure people will come around with their crazy 3rd party tools that makes it rival C++ :)`
`20:36.21`	`Dustin\|`	`Anyone know of a good SinglePlayer SC2 map up on mapster?`
`20:36.30`	`AsaPhelps`	`Can you make your own custom unit type, like instead of armored be like super awesome or whatever?`
`20:37.17`	`casperb`	`unit classification? doubt it`
`20:37.18`	`3ICE	`are those unit types assigned using flags? if so, then you will have to overwrite one`
`20:37.39`	`AsaPhelps`	`what would overwriting them require?`
`20:37.44`	`3ICE	`you will no longer have "Light", but you can rename it to "Awesome" (somehow...)`
`20:37.55`	`Nevir`	`Dig through the text module for the string for that flag`
`20:38.05`	`AsaPhelps`	`Sounds complicated :\|`
`20:38.08`	`3ICE	`probably an edit to the gamestrings file`
`20:38.24`	`casperb`	`Could just change the locale?`
`20:38.29`	`Nevir`	`Yeh`
`20:38.31`	`casperb`	`i.e open up the text module`
`20:38.41`	`Nevir`	`sort by text :P`
`20:38.48`	`casperb`	`and dig trough the endless ocean of keys`
`20:38.51`	`3ICE	`ctrl+f doesnt work there?`
`20:38.53`	`3ICE	`fail fail`
`20:38.59`	`casperb`	`can't search either`
`20:39.00`	`Nevir`	`that'd be too easy!`
`20:39.26`	`casperb`	`Easier to open the XML file and search for it`
`20:39.43`	`Helral`	`you can sort ;p`
`20:39.47`	`3ICE	`its a txt file`
`20:39.52`	`Nevir`	`looks like the text ID is going to be e_unitAttributeFoo - e_unitAttributeStructure for example`
`20:40.17`	`casperb`	`locale is plain text?`
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`20:41.17`	`Nevir`	`yeah`
`20:41.21`	`Nevir`	`key=value\n`
`20:43.36`	`casperb`	`ah just assumed it was XML since just about everything else is`
`20:43.41`	`Demonette`	`has anyone here used an destroy persitent effect?`
`20:43.43`	`3ICE	`correction: \r\n :)`
`20:43.57`	`Nevir`	`How DARE Blizz use Windows-style!`
`20:44.05`	`3ICE	`yeah, waste of space`
`20:44.06`	`Demonette`	`because we get some trubble to destroy persitant effects`
`20:44.06`	`Nevir`	`:(`
`20:44.38`	`Ziron`	`in what sort of situation do you want to destroy them?`
`20:45.16`	`Demonette`	`well we want to destroy all persitant effect in an search area`
`20:48.38`	`Ziron`	`I think you could possibly use an enumerate area validator on the effect so it cancels if your destroy thingie is in range.`
`20:51.35`	`Nevir`	`Hmm. Trying to turn off a unit actor's shadow - where should I look?`
`20:52.03`	`casperb`	`model/actor?`
`20:52.26`	`casperb`	`check model first`
`20:52.39`	`Nevir`	`Ah k, been focusing on actors`
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`20:54.28`	`AsaPhelps`	`US got a draw vs england, is that like a win?`
`20:54.37`	`casperb`	`Nevir: Shadow Radius maybe`
`20:54.40`	`Alpha_vst`	`its a draw`
`20:54.47`	`Ziron`	`i never expected US to do that well.`
`20:54.54`	`Nevir`	`Setting it to 0 doesn't seem to do much. Guessing that's just for blob shadows`
`20:55.32`	`casperb`	`most mortals only see blob shadows :P`
`20:55.49`	`depthsofchaos`	`wow when i mute my tv it cant change channels by itself this is the weirdest thing ever`
`20:55.56`	`Nevir`	`Hah, truth! I should start testing at different settings :P`
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`20:57.23`	`casperb`	`Nevir: can only find actor -> unit flags -> show blob shadow and model -> blob shadow radius`
`20:57.55`	`Nevir`	`alright, thanks - will play with both and see what I can do :P`
`20:58.32`	`casperb`	`nothing happends if you turn of blob shadows?`
`20:59.39`	`RickAx`	`Can somebody help me troubleshoot a trigger?`
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`20:59.58`	`casperb`	`just post me a pastie and i'll have a look`
`21:00.02`	`casperb`	`preferably the real code`
`21:00.24`	`Nevir`	`no dice w/ disabling blob shadows`
`21:01.07`	`Ziron`	`you and your real code, real mean use GUI, or how was it...`
`21:01.21`	`Nevir`	`Pff! Real men use both!`
`21:01.26`	`casperb`	`I use GUI :P`
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`21:02.00`	`Nevir`	`I only wish GUI-generated vars weren't so hard to look at`
`21:02.04`	`onetwo`	`actually be back later`
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`21:03.04`	`Ziron`	`yikes, I just looked at my gui code in script form. It names the variables insane things like GJKJKDSSDH_123 even though I have given them proper names in the gui.`
`21:03.31`	`Nevir`	`It's nice like that :P`
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`21:04.06`	`casperb`	`Only auto variables have crazy crazy names`
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`21:04.27`	`casperb`	`otherwise it's like mymap_gv_stillUglyButNotAsUgly`
`21:04.32`	`RickA`	`Casper, if you're talking to me I disconnected a minute ago but it hasn't dropped me yet.`
`21:04.41`	`casperb`	`ah kk`
`21:04.42`	`Alpha_vst`	`lol`
`21:04.48`	`casperb`	`Well the trigger, it doesn't run at all?`
`21:04.48`	`RickA`	`You're going to have to repeat everything.`
`21:04.57`	`Scyn`	`Can someone help me with something?`
`21:04.58`	`RickA`	`Nope. If I switch the condition from true to false it does`
`21:05.16`	`Nevir`	`Have you looked at the GUI-generated "mutex"? It's surprising. (Are all variable accessors/getters thread safe? o.O)`
`21:05.32`	`RickA`	`So it seems to be reversed`
`21:05.38`	`casperb`	`So the behavior isn't applied?`
`21:06.03`	`RickA`	`It requires a previous buff to be placed`
`21:06.15`	`RickA`	`I know it gets that buff because it appears on the unit`
`21:06.32`	`RickA`	`So I don't understand why it doesn't recognize that the unit has the buff, so run the trigger.`
`21:06.40`	`RickA`	`Lets see.... should be dropping,,,`
`21:06.43`	`RickA`	`damn it`
`21:06.47`	`RickA`	`It beat me to it`
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`21:08.16`	`RickA`	`So Casper, can you repeat what you were saying while I was gone?`
`21:08.25`	`casperb`	`I'm thinking :P`
`21:08.39`	`casperb`	`I think the behaviours are all gone when the unit dies`
`21:08.44`	`RickA`	`Ah`
`21:08.47`	`RickA`	`That could be it`
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`21:09.01`	`RickA`	`That's the cause of the veterancy bug, right?`
`21:09.31`	`RickA`	`In that case, I need to redo the trigger. Any ideas?`
`21:09.56`	`depthsofchaos`	`i dont get why theres a search filter on dead units tho`
`21:10.11`	`RickA`	`Yeah, that's baffled me.`
`21:10.14`	`Scyn`	`help me ffs`
`21:10.15`	`casperb`	`Really pain in the butt, the unit you get in unit dies should be a snapshot of the unit when it died`
`21:10.21`	`RickA`	`Sup Scyn?`
`21:10.32`	`casperb`	`It's like basic common sense -.-`
`21:10.50`	`casperb`	`But if you look at jace hall show, you know how the dev team works :P`
`21:11.59`	`Scyn`	`Just something simple. An overlord must drop banelings for the respective owner every 2 seconds. I cant do it in trigger editor:(`
`21:12.26`	`casperb`	`RickA: I suppose you can check unit takes damage event`
`21:12.30`	`depthsofchaos`	`you should do it in data :o`
`21:12.35`	`casperb`	`RickA: If the unit has this behaviour and the damage is fatal, then do whatever`
`21:12.46`	`RickA`	`Good idea`
`21:13.22`	`RickA`	`Depths, I was considering that. Do you know how to use data death events? I've seen fields for them but the tooltips are awful.`
`21:14.07`	`depthsofchaos`	`i said that to scyn but whats your goal?`
`21:14.46`	`casperb`	`RickA: Effect Final might be used in this case`
`21:14.54`	`Scyn`	`How do I do it in data?. What the basic events, actions etc that will make it happen?`
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`21:15.45`	`depthsofchaos`	`use a behaviour with periodic effect that creates unit at caster point`
`21:15.45`	`RickA`	`Scyn: make a buff with period count 0, period 2, and create an effect that creates a unit.`
`21:15.45`	`casperb`	`RickA: Is the buff a passive thing or cast on units?`
`21:16.33`	`Scyn`	`ok thx`
`21:16.39`	`RickA`	`Uh, hmmm....`
`21:16.54`	`RickA`	`The buff is cast onto units`
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`21:18.53`	`casperb`	`RickA: Will need to ponder on how to do it in data but the trigger fix should work`
`21:18.55`	`RickA`	`Casper, Effect Final sounds great in theory, but what happens if the duration of the buff expires?`
`21:19.02`	`casperb`	`yeah i know`
`21:19.10`	`RickA`	`What trigger fix?`
`21:19.11`	`casperb`	`only works for passive, such as revival ankh i.e`
`21:19.24`	`casperb`	`switch from unit dies to unit takes damage`
`21:19.41`	`RickA`	`Alright.`
`21:19.48`	`depthsofchaos`	`srsly tell me what you doing :p`
`21:19.55`	`depthsofchaos`	`in 1 sentence`
`21:20.17`	`RickA`	`Yeah, Effect Final would have worked`
`21:20.20`	`RickA`	`If it was passive`
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`21:21.58`	`Dustin\|`	`Anyone figured out how to stop projectiles with the data editor?`
`21:24.14`	`depthsofchaos`	`you mean like matrix style?`
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`21:25.20`	`Ziron`	`you could probably make a search for projectiles`
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`21:25.26`	`AsaPhelps`	`You could make an aura that sets movement speed to 0 and filter to projectiles`
`21:25.26`	`Ziron`	`and apply some effect on them`
`21:25.36`	`depthsofchaos`	`projectiles have no movement speed`
`21:26.05`	`AsaPhelps`	`do they have movers?`
`21:26.07`	`depthsofchaos`	`what i would do is destroy it and replace it with the actor`
`21:26.10`	`depthsofchaos`	`ye`
`21:26.22`	`AsaPhelps`	`can you change movers with behaviors?`
`21:26.28`	`AsaPhelps`	`or effects`
`21:26.30`	`depthsofchaos`	`nope`
`21:26.38`	`depthsofchaos`	`you could morph the projectile tho`
`21:27.17`	`Ziron`	`the jump behavior changes mover, but it's sorta specialised to reapers.`
`21:27.18`	`RickA`	`Casperb, it didn't work :(`
`21:27.31`	`casperb`	`Sure? o.o`
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`21:27.43`	`casperb`	`Paste`
`21:27.52`	`wOlfLinG`	`So, any working AIs around yet? I really want a game of sc2 right now :(`
`21:27.58`	`depthsofchaos`	`jump looks like an advanced morph to me :p`
`21:28.27`	`depthsofchaos`	`and its rly weird :o`
`21:29.13`	`AsaPhelps`	`what are you trying to do again rick?`
`21:29.56`	`casperb`	`Logic dictates that this should work o.o`
`21:30.32`	`wOlfLinG`	`So i need an idea of what to do with the GE`
`21:30.46`	`casperb`	`wOlfLinG: lemmings`
`21:30.46`	`depthsofchaos`	`a porn movie`
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`21:31.00`	`casperb`	`oo zerling porn o.O`
`21:31.07`	`wOlfLinG`	`Lemmings. Is. EPIC!!!`
`21:31.12`	`depthsofchaos`	`a lemming porn movie`
`21:31.17`	`wOlfLinG`	`How would i do it though? :/`
`21:31.20`	`casperb`	`Yep, and doable in GE, just to lazy to do it :P`
`21:31.27`	`wOlfLinG`	`Lemming pr0n! Even better :D`
`21:31.39`	`casperb`	`I did a quick version, with blockers and terrain deformers`
`21:31.41`	`depthsofchaos`	`lemmings would be rly easy`
`21:32.12`	`wOlfLinG`	`trouble is, lemmings is 2D. It would be hard to get falling implemented`
`21:32.24`	`AsaPhelps`	`is there a height limit?`
`21:32.40`	`depthsofchaos`	`well you could use reaper jump`
`21:33.01`	`casperb`	`jump with infinite distance dow n`
`21:33.02`	`casperb`	`down *`
`21:33.12`	`casperb`	`or just a high value like 255`
`21:33.35`	`RickA`	`Asa, you always help me out. If a unit loses all behaviors when it dies, how do I check if a dying unit has a certain buff?`
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`21:34.09`	`wOlfLinG`	`Btw, anyone up for a programming challenge? If so, download a program called scratch and make a Space invaders game using only 1 enemy, one ship and 1 laser. (May not sound hard, but with lack of object duplication, you'll be stuck for ages >:D)`
`21:34.25`	`AsaPhelps`	`are you trying to make it so when a unit has an effect when it dies something happens?`
`21:34.32`	`RickA`	`Yes`
`21:34.40`	`RickA`	`And by effect I mean a buff`
`21:34.50`	`wOlfLinG`	`Meh, my map will be 'Zombie invasion' now`
`21:34.51`	`AsaPhelps`	`so channeling applies it?`
`21:34.58`	`depthsofchaos`	`ricka you coul use a periodic effect`
`21:35.15`	`depthsofchaos`	`periodic behaiour sry`
`21:35.15`	`RickA`	`What would I do with a periodic`
`21:35.17`	`AsaPhelps`	`doesn't effect final work?`
`21:35.23`	`depthsofchaos`	`keep saving the results`
`21:35.33`	`depthsofchaos`	`if you get no response check the last data`
`21:35.34`	`RickA`	`Effect Final works, but the buff has a duration.`
`21:35.52`	`AsaPhelps`	`hmm`
`21:36.14`	`RickA`	`I thought about using a fatal damage response, but that's not going to help me much either.`
`21:36.34`	`depthsofchaos`	`why?`
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`21:37.10`	`RickA`	`I could detect the response with a trigger, and possibly even the unit, but if its dead its still going to lose all behaviors before I can check it.`
`21:37.21`	`AsaPhelps`	`maybe make the final effect have a life validator so it has to be above 0?`
`21:37.25`	`AsaPhelps`	`or less than 1`
`21:37.30`	`RickA`	`Ooooh, that's good.`
`21:37.33`	`Xan`	`hey - is it possible (in data editor) to make an ability that makes e.g. a hellion turret increase size over 1-2 seconds (and then another ability to make it go back to its original size) (using command card buttons)? :)`
`21:37.38`	`RickA`	`Thanks Asa`
`21:37.49`	`casperb`	`There's no validator per stage tho?`
`21:38.01`	`RickA`	`Xan, somebody made an inflate spell for the spell contest`
`21:38.03`	`RickA`	`Check it out`
`21:38.19`	`RickA`	`If you want just the turret, that's probably not possible`
`21:38.19`	`Xan`	`oh`
`21:38.26`	`Xan`	`really? :/`
`21:38.28`	`RickA`	`But the entire hellion should work`
`21:39.10`	`Xan`	`I just need the turret to change size - not possible by using 2 turrets in different sizes and morph between them or something? :/`
`21:39.12`	`casperb`	`well a bit more work but you could add another turret in that state`
`21:39.13`	`Alpha_vst`	`anyone know anything about custom values?`
`21:39.22`	`RickA`	`I know all about custom values`
`21:39.51`	`Alpha_vst`	`i cant get this to work :(`
`21:39.57`	`casperb`	`Xan: Having two turrets and swapping them should work (requires a bit of actor stuff to get the visuals tho)`
`21:39.57`	`Alpha_vst`	`it just returns 0`
`21:40.06`	`RickA`	`0 is the default value`
`21:40.07`	`Alpha_vst`	`oh wait nm`
`21:40.26`	`Alpha_vst`	`i see what i did my error message is wrong`
`21:40.27`	`Alpha_vst`	`:P`
`21:40.28`	`RickA`	`Asa, I have an additional condition to complicate the problem.`
`21:40.42`	`AsaPhelps`	`uh oh`
`21:40.54`	`RickA`	`When the unit dies, I want a new unit of the same type created right where it was.`
`21:41.02`	`RickA`	`I was relying on triggers and unit-type to save me.`
`21:41.22`	`Pandepic`	`alpha`
`21:41.25`	`Alpha_vst`	`how would i do a text message of the value of a custom value`
`21:41.29`	`Pandepic`	`can I get your opinion on this tutorial so far?`
`21:41.33`	`Alpha_vst`	`sure`
`21:42.09`	`Pandepic`	`the formatting is bad because I'm just going to do that in the post later`
`21:42.11`	`AsaPhelps`	`i'd have to think about that one rick`
`21:42.25`	`Alpha_vst`	`i need to see what the current value is for testing`
`21:42.27`	`Alpha_vst`	`:(`
`21:42.28`	`depthsofchaos`	`ricka theres an ability called revive`
`21:42.35`	`depthsofchaos`	`duno what that does tho :p`
`21:42.46`	`RickA`	`Good idea.`
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`21:43.57`	`depthsofchaos`	`hmm got no idea how it works`
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`21:45.08`	`Epin3phrin3`	`Rrowland did you get my PM on SC2Mapster?`
`21:45.12`	`finlay`	`so sometimes when I'm clicking on things in the GE on the left pane it starts to 'move it' and I have to click to place it somewhere... is this an option I can turn off?`
`21:45.15`	`AsaPhelps`	`blizzard really named something eggplosion`
`21:45.41`	`Alpha_vst`	`anyone know how i can output the current value of a custom value on a unit?`
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`21:46.35`	`Epin3phrin3`	`Hey Mike...awesome job with dodge the nuke`
`21:46.51`	`casperb`	`Alpha_vst: just do UnitGetCustomValue(index)`
`21:47.11`	`casperb`	`cast from int to text`
`21:47.27`	`Alpha_vst`	`.... galaxy no idea`
`21:47.44`	`casperb`	`meh just pop open a chat message node`
`21:47.51`	`casperb`	`enter a cast from int to text`
`21:47.55`	`Alpha_vst`	`it beaks my game`
`21:47.58`	`casperb`	`and find the custom value funnction`
`21:48.35`	`Epin3phrin3`	`anyone able to get the lobby of a custom game to choose teams appropriately?`
`21:48.50`	`wOlfLinG`	`Hmm... shall i add ranged zombies and melee zombies or just melee?`
`21:48.52`	`Epin3phrin3`	`when the host moves people they dont' necessarily get placed in the team they are moved to`
`21:48.58`	`Alpha_vst`	`thanks but that helps me none :(`
`21:49.05`	`Pandepic`	`I don't see a UnitGetCustomValue function =O`
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`21:49.41`	`casperb`	`It's there atleast`
`21:49.59`	`casperb`	`actually it might be a fixed value`
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`21:50.20`	`onetwo`	`yay just recorded new tutorial`
`21:50.23`	`onetwo`	`on the basics of using editor`
`21:50.28`	`onetwo`	`but i ended up showing an aura`
`21:50.31`	`onetwo`	`haha`
`21:50.54`	`Alpha_vst`	`well UnitGetCustomValue(index) does me no good`
`21:51.55`	`casperb`	`Alpha_vst: in gui or script?`
`21:52.05`	`casperb`	`params aren't exactly right`
`21:52.13`	`Alpha_vst`	`gui`
`21:52.29`	`Alpha_vst`	`i dont do galaxy`
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`21:53.05`	`Alpha_vst`	`this is what i tried cause i have no idea what im doing.... UI - Display (Text(UnitGetCustomValue(playerThreat[PlayerGroupLoopCurrent()][1]) )) for (All players) to Subtitle area`
`21:53.08`	`Alpha_vst`	`and it didnt work`
`21:53.11`	`Alpha_vst`	`so`
`21:53.19`	`finlay`	`what's the max array size? 127?`
`21:53.28`	`casperb`	`the correct definition is, fixed UnitGetCustomValue (unit u, int index)`
`21:53.50`	`casperb`	`Why player index?`
`21:54.45`	`casperb`	`finlay: is there one?`
`21:54.57`	`Alpha_vst`	`<PROTECTED>`
`21:55.00`	`Alpha_vst`	`still broken`
`21:55.12`	`wOlfLinG`	`Anyone know about items?`
`21:55.37`	`casperb`	`finlay: at some point you're going to get a stack overflow but not sure about when`
`21:55.42`	`depthsofchaos`	`heres my spell contest entry http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ooMj5z9wJ8I ^^`
`21:55.42`	`casperb`	`wOlfLinG: yep`
`21:55.44`	`finlay`	`casperb: I thought I saw somewhere that 1-127 was the max size for arrays`
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`21:55.53`	`finlay`	`but that's how rumours get started`
`21:55.56`	`casperb`	`finlay: 127 is very very very small`
`21:55.57`	`wOlfLinG`	`Im trying to add something that resores a units energy when run over`
`21:56.09`	`Alpha_vst`	`WTF`
`21:56.22`	`Alpha_vst`	`thats super bad ass like`
`21:56.39`	`casperb`	`Alpha_vst: playerThread is an array of units right?`
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`21:56.44`	`depthsofchaos`	`thx :)`
`21:56.50`	`casperb`	`Threat*`
`21:56.59`	`Alpha_vst`	`its a array int`
`21:56.59`	`HotPotatoe`	`I made my first ability: Consume. omg im s0 l33t`
`21:57.13`	`HotPotatoe`	`thank you sc2mapster.`
`21:57.14`	`casperb`	`Alpha_vst: It expects a unit tho..`
`21:57.16`	`HotPotatoe`	`You all are awesome.`
`21:57.27`	`Alpha_vst`	`did i do it backwards`
`21:57.29`	`Alpha_vst`	`?`
`21:57.36`	`Alpha_vst`	`the unit its unitgroup loop`
`21:57.56`	`casperb`	`o wait`
`21:58.23`	`casperb`	`nah it's the right order, just missed the unitgrouploop`
`21:58.36`	`casperb`	`i suck at reading gui annotations :P`
`21:58.52`	`Alpha_vst`	`i suck at anything galaxy`
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`21:59.03`	`casperb`	`well check that playerThreat[x][x] is the right value`
`21:59.17`	`Alpha_vst`	`I CANT`
`21:59.29`	`Alpha_vst`	`because i cant check the value`
`21:59.50`	`casperb`	`Why are you using a two dimensional array btw?`
`21:59.57`	`Alpha_vst`	`one for the player`
`22:00.05`	`Alpha_vst`	`and the other is its theat amount`
`22:00.10`	`wOlfLinG`	`epic ability there depthsofchaos :)`
`22:00.16`	`wOlfLinG`	`utter pwnage`
`22:00.18`	`Alpha_vst`	`so [player] [thret]`
`22:00.26`	`Alpha_vst`	`thrat`
`22:00.29`	`Alpha_vst`	`what ever`
`22:00.51`	`depthsofchaos`	`thx hehe im gona make a map where you can only use this skill xD`
`22:00.56`	`Alpha_vst`	`depthsofchaos do you actually have to target that shit?`
`22:01.10`	`wOlfLinG`	`so how do i make an item that restores the unit energy by 50 when it hits a unit?`
`22:01.10`	`depthsofchaos`	`not the ball`
`22:01.12`	`depthsofchaos`	`the direction`
`22:01.33`	`depthsofchaos`	`but yeah it takes damn skill to pull of like 3 at a time`
`22:02.02`	`Alpha_vst`	`lol`
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`22:02.18`	`wOlfLinG`	`btw, allpha, did you get your bugs sorted out yet?`
`22:03.28`	`Alpha_vst`	`yeah`
`22:03.32`	`Alpha_vst`	`i actually fixed it`
`22:03.44`	`Alpha_vst`	`at least i really seem to have`
`22:04.08`	`wOlfLinG`	`waits for next bug`
`22:04.24`	`depthsofchaos`	`wolf you could apply a buff before the damage effect`
`22:04.26`	`Alpha_vst`	`i set a reference variable instead of looping though the list of points`
`22:04.34`	`depthsofchaos`	`on the target`
`22:04.48`	`depthsofchaos`	`and the targets damage response is an effect`
`22:04.52`	`depthsofchaos`	`that gives 50 energy`
`22:04.59`	`Alpha_vst`	`i have a new bug i cant find get the current value of a custom value :(`
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`22:05.18`	`Dustin\|`	`Wait`
`22:05.23`	`depthsofchaos`	`or duno how you wnat it exactly`
`22:05.24`	`Dustin\|`	`bug, or you jsut cant search right?`
`22:07.23`	`depthsofchaos`	`hmm is it necessary to release the map when entering the contest?:o`
`22:07.24`	`Alpha_vst`	`?`
`22:07.34`	`Alpha_vst`	`i would hope not`
`22:07.36`	`depthsofchaos`	`dun wana see my effect stolen before i use it:o`
`22:08.52`	`Alpha_vst`	`:(`
`22:08.54`	`Alpha_vst`	`this sucks`
`22:09.08`	`Alpha_vst`	`how do you get the value of a custom value`
`22:10.00`	`casperb`	`Your index must be fubared`
`22:10.10`	`Alpha_vst`	`no`
`22:10.19`	`Alpha_vst`	`you cant get the value once you set it`
`22:10.29`	`Alpha_vst`	`so whats the point`
`22:10.37`	`casperb`	`works fine for me`
`22:10.47`	`casperb`	`use them to store direction vectors`
`22:10.51`	`Ziron`	`since the point is to teach eachother about the editor, wouldn't it defeat the point to not release the map?`
`22:10.51`	`Alpha_vst`	`unless im doing something completely wrong`
`22:11.17`	`Alpha_vst`	`well your little help didnt help at all`
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`22:12.03`	`casperb`	`Well i don't know how you're setting the values nor what the value of your arrays are s o`
`22:12.05`	`casperb`	`so *`
`22:12.30`	`depthsofchaos`	`yeah but i release it and someone uses in their map then i will be called stealer later on`
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`22:14.30`	`Alpha_vst`	`http://pastebin.com/f62zSAGA there is my code`
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`22:15.17`	`rrowland`	`Picked player is an index`
`22:15.20`	`rrowland`	`Not a player number`
`22:15.43`	`rrowland`	`You want to use pick player from player group and save player as an int variable`
`22:15.47`	`3ICE	`god that is not logical :(`
`22:15.52`	`rrowland`	`Then use if (killing player) == (that variable)`
`22:16.13`	`rrowland`	`For each PlayerVar in Active Players()`
`22:16.19`	`Alpha_vst`	`really i swear i use it the same way some place else 0.o`
`22:16.36`	`casperb`	`You don't need to loop trough all players since it will always be killing player`
`22:16.49`	`casperb`	`Also, Unit - Set (Picked unit) custom value PlayerThreat[(Picked player)][1] to (Real((PlayerThreat[(Picked player)][1] + 1)))`
`22:17.09`	`casperb`	`This index will always be changing`
`22:17.16`	`Dustin\|`	`Im gonna go code a unit indexing system`
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`22:17.35`	`rrowland`	`And yeah the loop is unnecessary`
`22:17.50`	`Alpha_vst`	`lol i was just trying to make it work :(`
`22:18.06`	`rrowland`	`Well`
`22:18.17`	`rrowland`	`Pick each player is used for doing something to each player, not comparing player numbers`
`22:18.28`	`rrowland`	`If you need the player number you need to use the other for each`
`22:18.35`	`Alpha_vst`	`yeah :P`
`22:18.39`	`casperb`	`What you want is UnitSetCustomValue(u, MyPresetIndexWhichWillNeverEverChange, value)`
`22:18.44`	`wOlfLinG`	`:/ Can't get my item to work`
`22:19.23`	`Alpha_vst`	`which would be the player number...`
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`22:19.57`	`casperb`	`Alright so you want each unit to have a threat value against a player?`
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`22:21.03`	`Alpha_vst`	`yeah`
`22:21.14`	`Alpha_vst`	`thats why im useing PlayerThreat = 0 <Integer[5][1]>`
`22:21.16`	`rrowland`	`Yeah player number would be fine`
`22:21.19`	`Alpha_vst`	`i have 5 players`
`22:21.27`	`rrowland`	`uh`
`22:21.33`	`rrowland`	`Why would you make an array size of 1`
`22:21.45`	`rrowland`	`int[5] = int[5][1]`
`22:21.48`	`Alpha_vst`	`for the threat :P`
`22:21.53`	`rrowland`	`= int[5][1][1][1][1][1]`
`22:21.54`	`Alpha_vst`	`OH YEAH`
`22:22.20`	`Alpha_vst`	`im not thinking very straight right now`
`22:22.26`	`rrowland`	`But you don't even need that array`
`22:22.35`	`rrowland`	`If you have them in custom values`
`22:22.35`	`Soudeus`	`yeah but int[5] != to int[1][5]`
`22:22.38`	`rrowland`	`You can pull them from there`
`22:22.44`	`casperb`	`Then Unit - Set (Picked unit) custom value (Picked player)] to (UnitCustomValue(PickedUnit, PickedPlayer) + 1 )`
`22:22.54`	`rrowland`	`It holds the same amount of values soudeus`
`22:22.59`	`rrowland`	`It's pretty much the same thing`
`22:23.33`	`Soudeus`	`stored differently or somethin, not sure, but yeah, was just sayin :D`
`22:23.34`	`casperb`	`yeah what rrowland said`
`22:23.45`	`Alpha_vst`	`yeah i need to take a break :P`
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`22:23.58`	`Alpha_vst`	`im thinking like a crazy fool`
`22:24.15`	`casperb`	`Do we have any idea how large the custom value array is btw?`
`22:24.18`	`casperb`	`err`
`22:24.27`	`casperb`	`Do we have any idea how large the custom value array is btw? *`
`22:24.35`	`rrowland`	`I have no idea, good question`
`22:24.42`	`casperb`	`That's what you get for rephrasing in the middle of typing`
`22:24.58`	`Alpha_vst`	`thats the same questng...`
`22:25.04`	`Soudeus`	`how large it can be or how much memory it takes up?`
`22:25.04`	`Alpha_vst`	`question`
`22:25.13`	`casperb`	`whut, i'm tired o.o`
`22:25.26`	`Alpha_vst`	`afk`
`22:25.28`	`Alpha_vst`	`break`
`22:26.06`	`Soudeus`	`like the size of int[1] or int[maxsize]`
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`22:27.25`	`casperb`	`meh we have growing unit arrays but not normal arrays :S`
`22:28.05`	`casperb`	`and with no way to identify the size of an array at runtime there's nothing to be done about it either`
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`22:36.09`	`Xan`	`Is it possible (in data editor) to make an ability that makes e.g. a hellion turret increase scale over 1-2 seconds?`
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`22:38.52`	`Vlaeder`	`Hello~~`
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`22:48.17`	`depthsofchaos`	`xan, use the actor set sclae event`
`22:48.24`	`depthsofchaos`	`set scale`
`22:48.26`	`RickA`	`Somebody want to help me with a movement problem?`
`22:48.42`	`depthsofchaos`	`depends :o`
`22:48.48`	`casperb`	`RickA: shoot`
`22:49.38`	`RickA`	`I want a behavior that prevents a unit from moving, but still able to turn. What parts do I have to enable/disable to do that?`
`22:49.48`	`RickA`	`Also, by switching to triggers, I got the rest of my ability to work.`
`22:50.11`	`depthsofchaos`	`set speed to 0`
`22:50.14`	`RickA`	`If worse comes to worse, I suppose I could have the ability do a .00001x movement speed, but I'd like something more specific`
`22:50.27`	`RickA`	`Oh, 0 might work.`
`22:50.31`	`depthsofchaos`	`why is that bad?`
`22:50.40`	`depthsofchaos`	`maximum movement speed 0`
`22:50.43`	`RickA`	`I didn't think of outright setting it to 0`
`22:51.10`	`Hackx`	`What is an easy way of giving complete map vision to a player`
`22:51.18`	`casperb`	`revealer`
`22:51.22`	`depthsofchaos`	`trigger`
`22:51.24`	`casperb`	`with bounds entire map`
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`22:54.56`	`Cromalic`	`anyone got experience with Lighting?`
`22:56.45`	`casperb`	`just ask what you wanted to ask :p`
`22:57.12`	`Cromalic`	`ye well`
`22:57.23`	`Cromalic`	`i'm able to adjust the lighting of the map just fine`
`22:57.25`	`Cromalic`	`in the data editor`
`22:58.06`	`Cromalic`	`but how do you set up a system where it's dynamic, as in the sun (key) moving as time passes, getting darker at night, then ligher during the day again, etc`
`22:58.14`	`casperb`	`add keys`
`22:58.15`	`Vlaeder`	`~IDLE~`
`22:58.25`	`casperb`	`i.e add new lights to a light set`
`22:58.43`	`Cromalic`	`well i saw i could add more 'time' values sort of`
`22:58.45`	`Cromalic`	`is that what you mean?`
`22:59.00`	`Cromalic`	`one for like 00:00 and then one for like 06:00, 12:00, 18:00 etc`
`22:59.05`	`casperb`	`yep`
`22:59.13`	`casperb`	`add a new light set and change it's current time setting`
`22:59.18`	`casperb`	`add a new light to the set *`
`23:00.14`	`Cromalic`	`hmmm ok`
`23:00.26`	`Cromalic`	`and then use trigger to change the time?`
`23:00.34`	`casperb`	`nah it's built in`
`23:01.16`	`casperb`	`you can set the time directly, but it can also be set in data`
`23:01.34`	`casperb`	`So no need unless you're doing a cutscene then turning to nighttime or something like it`
`23:02.12`	`Cromalic`	`so time passes automaticly if several lights with different times are added?`
`23:02.17`	`Cromalic`	`automatically*`
`23:02.29`	`Cromalic`	`err but how fast does the time pass?`
`23:02.42`	`Cromalic`	`anywhere i can adjust that?`
`23:02.58`	`casperb`	`default is set in the terrain texture set i belive, can be modified with triggers`
`23:04.43`	`Cromalic`	`ok`
`23:04.45`	`Cromalic`	`thx`
`23:04.47`	`Cromalic`	`looking into it`
`23:12.17`	`Cromalic`	`can i display the time somehow?`
`23:12.24`	`Cromalic`	`debug window every 5 sec for instance`
`23:12.34`	`Cromalic`	`i can't seem to find the right converter`
`23:12.42`	`Cromalic`	`if you can even get it`
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`23:16.26`	`casperb`	`well time would be (start time + time_elapsed * rate)`
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`23:16.37`	`casperb`	`but there's a function called TimeOfDay i think`
`23:17.02`	`casperb`	`string GameTimeOfDayGet();`
`23:17.39`	`Cromalic`	`hmmm`
`23:17.47`	`casperb`	`so string to text`
`23:18.23`	`ZeroAme`	`Can someone help me figure out why this doesnt work? http://paste.sc2mapster.com/2100/`
`23:18.49`	`casperb`	`ZeroAme: what doesn't work?`
`23:19.16`	`ZeroAme`	`The supply depots dont lower`
`23:19.42`	`ZeroAme`	`Srry for not stating that lol`
`23:19.48`	`casperb`	`Well supply depot's arent going to be moving about are they`
`23:19.55`	`ZeroAme`	`No`
`23:20.01`	`casperb`	`conditions are if triggering unit == supply depot`
`23:20.05`	`ZeroAme`	`Yes`
`23:20.20`	`casperb`	`that's never going to happend`
`23:20.23`	`ZeroAme`	`the region is attached to a unit that walks up to the supply depot`
`23:21.02`	`casperb`	`ah nvm, what's the radius of the region?`
`23:21.07`	`ZeroAme`	`2.0`
`23:21.11`	`ZeroAme`	`circle`
`23:21.21`	`ZeroAme`	`attached to a marine atm`
`23:22.53`	`ZeroAme`	`Im going to test it at 3.5 radi, 1 sec`
`23:23.11`	`casperb`	`usually do it the other way around tho`
`23:23.32`	`casperb`	`when a unit enters a door then open doors in a radius around the unit`
`23:23.44`	`casperb`	`one region can contain many subregions`
`23:24.21`	`ZeroAme`	`Yes but I have alot of doors and wanted simplicity and not a mass of triggers just for doors, making region to 3.5 made it work`
`23:24.37`	`casperb`	`It's one trigger still ;)`
`23:24.40`	`casperb`	`Also one region`
`23:24.45`	`casperb`	`but regions can be more customized`
`23:25.29`	`ZeroAme`	`This is the only way that I have come up with that works with so few triggers`
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`23:25.49`	`casperb`	`Reversing it works with just one trigger tho`
`23:25.58`	`casperb`	`Again doesn't really matter, just saying ;)`
`23:26.04`	`ZeroAme`	`Meh`
`23:26.17`	`ZeroAme`	`Now I need to make my camera stop shaking when the unit moves`
`23:28.04`	`Cromalic`	`casperb i'm looking at everything in the data editor on the light, but having trouble finding how i adjust the time to be faster :(`
`23:28.45`	`casperb`	`Cromalic: Time Per Game Loop`
`23:28.48`	`casperb`	`Cromalic: in lights`
`23:29.20`	`Cromalic`	`i adjusted it`
`23:29.24`	`Cromalic`	`didn't change anything :(`
`23:29.36`	`casperb`	`Sure the light is active?`
`23:29.39`	`Cromalic`	`yes`
`23:29.42`	`casperb`	`i,e the correct light set`
`23:29.53`	`Cromalic`	`oh ok`
`23:29.55`	`Cromalic`	`i figured out why`
`23:30.03`	`Cromalic`	`if you only adjust the hour it didn't do anything`
`23:30.04`	`Cromalic`	`it seems :P`
`23:30.18`	`Cromalic`	`ok this is pretty awesome`
`23:30.18`	`Cromalic`	`:D`
`23:31.09`	`AsaPhelps`	`~seen depthofchaos`
`23:31.10`	`purl`	`i haven't seen 'depthofchaos', AsaPhelps`
`23:31.20`	`AsaPhelps`	`~seen depthsofchaos`
`23:31.21`	`purl`	`depthsofchaos is currently on #sc2mapster (4h 59m 50s). Has said a total of 81 messages. Is idling for 39m 59s, last said: 'trigger'.`
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`23:32.08`	`depthsofchaos`	`hmhm?`
`23:33.08`	`HotPotatoe`	`queston on unit animations, and spell stages`
`23:33.32`	`ZeroAme`	`Is it possible to make a half-circle shapped region?`
`23:33.39`	`casperb`	`ZeroAme: yep`
`23:33.43`	`ZeroAme`	`How?`
`23:33.51`	`casperb`	`Positive + Negative`
`23:33.53`	`ZeroAme`	`well`
`23:33.54`	`ZeroAme`	`ya`
`23:34.08`	`ZeroAme`	`but like any different ways?`
`23:34.14`	`HotPotatoe`	`can an animation play during the casting of a spell, it finish, and the animation is still playing?`
`23:34.28`	`depthsofchaos`	`sure`
`23:34.32`	`ZeroAme`	`Yeah`
`23:34.37`	`AsaPhelps`	`do you have a download for that map you submitted depths?`
`23:34.43`	`depthsofchaos`	`use use play animation bracket`
`23:34.43`	`HotPotatoe`	`Would I set the animation to start of the spell channel?`
`23:34.51`	`HotPotatoe`	`oh, alright`
`23:34.53`	`casperb`	`ZeroAme: what other ways do you want?`
`23:34.53`	`depthsofchaos`	`asa, not yet :o still not complete`
`23:35.41`	`AsaPhelps`	`That frost nova one is pretty good`
`23:35.53`	`Atlos`	`I don't get how to update my files on the site`
`23:36.08`	`Atlos`	`it's saying don't upload files with the same name more than once`
`23:36.10`	`Atlos`	`...`
`23:36.15`	`Atlos`	`well how do i update then lol`
`23:36.28`	`finlay`	`how do you rotate a doodad when placing?`
`23:36.47`	`depthsofchaos`	`add version number`
`23:36.51`	`Atlos`	`select it`
`23:36.55`	`Atlos`	`and then press enter`
`23:37.01`	`Atlos`	`and then change the rotation in that menu`
`23:37.01`	`finlay`	`Atlos: thank you!`
`23:37.17`	`Atlos`	`np`
`23:37.30`	`depthsofchaos`	`the spell i liked is that energy balls thingy`
`23:37.31`	`finlay`	`Atlos: enter, really?`
`23:37.55`	`Cromalic`	`really really`
`23:38.36`	`Atlos`	`that's what works for me to bring up the menu`
`23:38.49`	`Atlos`	`OMG, are you fucking kidding me`
`23:38.54`	`Atlos`	`the editor wouldn't let me save me map`
`23:39.01`	`Atlos`	`because I had a slight error in the triggers`
`23:39.03`	`Atlos`	`so it wouldn't compile`
`23:39.16`	`Atlos`	`so I left the editor open overnight since I had to sleep to wake up for work today`
`23:39.25`	`Atlos`	`I find out the editor crashed and closed without saving over the night`
`23:39.36`	`Atlos`	`it wouldn't autosave because it I had the trigger error`
`23:39.36`	`Nevir`	`:(`
`23:39.43`	`Atlos`	`so now I lost like 3-4 hours of triggering`
`23:39.46`	`Atlos`	`are you kidding me`
`23:39.46`	`Atlos`	`...`
`23:39.56`	`Atlos`	`and I realised what the mistake was too`
`23:40.18`	`Atlos`	`I made a custom action definition and thought I had made a function so I was trying to call the function instead of the action definition`
`23:40.49`	`Atlos`	`uggh, I don't get why the map can't save anyways`
`23:40.56`	`Atlos`	`and just give me an error if I try to play`
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`23:41.07`	`casperb`	`the GE does alot of weird things :P`
`23:41.17`	`casperb`	`in-house tool after all`
`23:41.38`	`Atlos`	`uggh, this is just so frustrating I was planning on testing it tonight`
`23:41.43`	`Atlos`	`and now i need to code it all again`
`23:42.08`	`Atlos`	`over something that would've taken 10 seconds to fix >_<`
`23:43.42`	`casperb`	`script editor is just as bad`
`23:44.05`	`casperb`	`ctrl + s doesn't save, ctrl +o brings up a save as dialog`
`23:44.23`	`casperb`	`for someone who's been hitting ctrl + s for twenty years that messes you up :P`
`23:44.27`	`wOlfLinG`	`hmm... Can't choose my hero class, even though ive created some`
`23:44.35`	`wOlfLinG`	`item class, not hero class xD`
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`23:45.06`	`casperb`	`open the item and change the class there`
`23:45.10`	`AsaPhelps`	`hmm for that frost nova spell someone submitted,how did he have that nova effect, like the circle spread to get bigger at the cast?`
`23:45.50`	`wOlfLinG`	`ah, had to close then open the map`
`23:45.54`	`wOlfLinG`	`working now :)`
`23:46.32`	`wOlfLinG`	`btw, next time someone sees Bifuu, thank him for me. Im using his tutorial xD`
`23:47.45`	`casperb`	`He's here`
`23:47.53`	`casperb`	`or was`
`23:48.39`	`Sixen`	`Rawr.`
`23:48.53`	`Sixen`	`Anything fun going on?`
`23:49.08`	`depthsofchaos`	`asa i thin khe just uses like 3-4 search effects`
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`23:49.19`	`3ICE	`playing war3 :) fun`
`23:49.40`	`casperb`	`drinking beer, fun :P`
`23:49.43`	`Dkrchris`	`sup`
`23:53.59`	`Ziron`	`Bifuu's tutorial rocks`
`23:54.34`	`wOlfLinG`	`i should get war 3 sometime :/`
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`23:55.07`	`casperb`	`lost my key so no bnet :S`
`23:55.27`	`casperb`	`from the ancient times, when you had to actually have hard copies of games :P`
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`23:57.52`	`finlay`	`how does water work? I'm using Bel'Shir`
`23:57.57`	`finlay`	`and I want to make an island`
`23:58.25`	`finlay`	`the 'add water' command seems very buggy, maybe I'm using it wrong?`
`23:59.49`	`casperb`	`finlay: not buggy, just not the best design`
`23:59.57`	`Pandepic`	`depthsofchaos: your shock rifle is craaaaazy`

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