| 00:00.08 | rrowland | For more money probably |
| 00:00.13 | AsaPhelps | 150 mb? |
| 00:00.24 | Furyhunter | oh? |
| 00:00.25 | Arthas- | fios? |
| 00:00.42 | Furyhunter | Well, I get 256KB/s up, that was the highest a couple years ago |
| 00:01.01 | rrowland | Uhhh that's fios speed? |
| 00:01.05 | Arthas- | A third (or higher) service tier, when available for residential service, provides higher still bandwidth, in some areas reaching 30/15, 35/35 or 50/20 Mbit/s download and upload. (bundled with FiOS TV Ultimate HD) |
| 00:01.06 | rrowland | What fios were you looking at |
| 00:01.07 | Furyhunter | It was for a while. |
| 00:01.07 | Linera | I placed this into a custom script thinking it would actually create a trigger during runtime but I get a syntax error. http://pastebin.org/255859 |
| 00:01.08 | Arthas- | spounds like vdsl 1 |
| 00:01.10 | Arthas- | errr |
| 00:01.11 | Arthas- | vdsl2 |
| 00:01.29 | Arthas- | although im not sure wether or not vdsl2 does 35/35 |
| 00:01.30 | AsaPhelps | Google is trying to get 1gb aren't they |
| 00:01.30 | Furyhunter | And I said KILOBYTES, not kilobits |
| 00:01.41 | Furyhunter | Upstream, not down. |
| 00:01.50 | Furyhunter | Almost all ISPs in the US limit the upstream severely. |
| 00:01.52 | Statcomm | So uh, I'm going to assume my porblem is actually a bug? Couldn't find anything on the forums about worker and missing buttons in the actual command card. |
| 00:01.59 | Statcomm | problem* |
| 00:02.00 | Arthas- | Furyhunter well |
| 00:02.04 | Arthas- | not really the isp |
| 00:02.06 | AsaPhelps | What happened stat |
| 00:02.07 | Arthas- | rather the solutions |
| 00:02.22 | Furyhunter | A solution that gets 25mbps down should be able to do 25mbps up too. |
| 00:02.24 | Linera | okay then, I guess this isn't a chat room for Galaxy Editor or Starcraft 2. |
| 00:02.30 | Statcomm | My worker I created in the data editor has only 2 buttons in his in-game command card AsaPhelps. |
| 00:02.33 | rrowland | It's not |
| 00:02.35 | Arthas- | Furyhunter not simultaneously |
| 00:02.36 | rrowland | What gave you that idea? |
| 00:02.37 | Arthas- | so no |
| 00:02.42 | Skizot | this is the gay pedophile resistraion channel. |
| 00:02.42 | AsaPhelps | Instead of how many |
| 00:02.44 | Furyhunter | Not simultaneously |
| 00:02.49 | Arthas- | DSL place upstream on the lower frequenceies since its important for that to be stable |
| 00:02.50 | Statcomm | AsaPhelps, I'll copy paste what I wrote: Ok let's put it in a different perspective: what I did next to see where my error was, was to create a new worker that is a total and complete clone the SCV. I looked up SCV, right clicked on it, duplicated it and renamed the new unit "New SCV", copying EVERY abillity (all the checkboxes). Now logic would imply that nothing would change. I placed the unit, launched the map with both th |
| 00:02.51 | Furyhunter | But regardless there's imposed limitations |
| 00:02.56 | *** mode/#sc2mapster [+v Skizot] by ChanServ |
| 00:03.00 | Arthas- | and the solutions are not designed for that |
| 00:03.15 | Arthas- | thus the isp (who have nothing w the hardware they buy to do) cant get you higher upload |
| 00:03.21 | heysparky | YES... the Create Unit action does trip Unit Created event |
| 00:03.22 | Linera | everyone is just talking about other crap instead of SC2 related stuff |
| 00:03.24 | AsaPhelps | what abilities does it have |
| 00:03.34 | Arthas- | Linera it happens, if you have a question just post it |
| 00:03.38 | Skizot | well we've BEEN talking about sc2 for WEEKS |
| 00:03.42 | Arthas- | I mean |
| 00:03.47 | Arthas- | if someone knows the answer, they will answer |
| 00:03.48 | Arthas- | really |
| 00:03.50 | Statcomm | AsaPhelps it should have the "New SCV" I built should have every ability the normal scv has. Instead it just has gather and move/stop, |
| 00:03.51 | Linera | I did post it. like 20 million times |
| 00:03.54 | Lyrrad | internet is sorta sc2 related since thats how most of us will play it MP |
| 00:03.59 | Arthas- | Linera and i dont know the answer! |
| 00:04.00 | heysparky | that's not necesarily true, Arthas |
| 00:04.11 | Arthas- | heysparky it is if the person on the other end isnt a douche! |
| 00:04.16 | Skizot | <Linera> I placed this into a custom script thinking it would actually create a trigger during runtime but I get a syntax error. http://pastebin.org/255859 |
| 00:04.21 | *** part/#sc2mapster Rectifier (~ranctifie@71.67.145.50) |
| 00:04.26 | rrowland | Linera you're inside a function |
| 00:04.27 | heysparky | Linera's not a douche |
| 00:04.28 | Statcomm | AsaPhelps, all I did was duplicate it, create a complete clone. In the data editor, eveyrthing seems to be exact, but in game, it's only coming up with 3-2 buttons. |
| 00:04.31 | AsaPhelps | I'm not sure stat |
| 00:04.32 | Arthas- | heysparky jesus |
| 00:04.32 | heysparky | and even Galois gets help |
| 00:04.33 | rrowland | You can't declare a function inside a function |
| 00:04.42 | Arthas- | I meant the person on the other and, opposit to Lineras :p |
| 00:04.47 | Arthas- | ie, us |
| 00:04.49 | Linera | its in a Action Definition |
| 00:04.49 | heysparky | oh lol |
| 00:04.56 | rrowland | And action definition is a function |
| 00:04.59 | Arthas- | i only have one person i dont like in here |
| 00:05.07 | Arthas- | no name mentioned though |
| 00:05.08 | Arthas- | ! |
| 00:05.14 | Linera | so how do I create triggers during runtime? |
| 00:05.19 | Statcomm | But AsaPhelps, you agree that, all things being logical, if I duplicate a worker, the new unit should have everything from the old one right? With all checkboxes checked in the duplication screen right? |
| 00:05.42 | AsaPhelps | Logic has no place here |
| 00:05.49 | Arthas- | asa speaks the truth |
| 00:06.00 | Statcomm | My Blown is Mind |
| 00:06.03 | rrowland | There's no intended way to do it. If you want to "hack" it you can end the function and start your own |
| 00:06.03 | Arthas- | logic guidelines yes |
| 00:06.08 | Arthas- | full blown logic, hell no :D |
| 00:06.16 | Statcomm | But seriously, bug, or something I did wrong? |
| 00:06.22 | Arthas- | bug most likely |
| 00:06.33 | rrowland | For instance, this is how it adds your code: functionname () { // your code } |
| 00:06.35 | AsaPhelps | Do you have stop copy instead of stop etc etc? |
| 00:06.41 | Lyrrad | Stat - make sure when you dupicated it updated the various links |
| 00:06.46 | rrowland | So if your code is "} anotherfunction (){" |
| 00:06.59 | Statcomm | Let met check Lyrrad |
| 00:07.12 | rrowland | It'll combine as "functionname(){ } anotherfunction () {} |
| 00:07.38 | Lyrrad | I have duplicated and had effects pointing to the orginal effect and not the freshly duplicated one |
| 00:07.53 | Statcomm | Lyrrad, yes, all links are present, except they are named like "Something Copy". Does the fact of adding "copy" in the end change it? |
| 00:08.04 | AsaPhelps | Yes |
| 00:08.08 | Statcomm | I'm assuming it's normal. |
| 00:08.13 | Statcomm | Oh |
| 00:08.15 | Lyrrad | yes |
| 00:08.19 | Linera | so if I place a } at the beginning it should work? |
| 00:08.24 | Statcomm | Rename it then? |
| 00:08.37 | Lyrrad | since when you dupicate it just names the new <whatever> the same name + copy |
| 00:09.00 | rrowland | There will be a stray } at the end |
| 00:09.08 | rrowland | So you need to make sure there's a bracket to close |
| 00:09.21 | rrowland | Or you will get a syntax error |
| 00:09.33 | Arthas- | btw |
| 00:09.44 | Arthas- | the "compile" in editor isnt anything but a syntax checker right? |
| 00:09.54 | Statcomm | Lyrrad, how do I fix this then? Do I just rename it? |
| 00:10.04 | Linera | I planned to have groups of if then statements that checked various parameters and run various custom scripts which would create new triggers during runtime for performing certain tasks for me. |
| 00:10.23 | Linera | now I basically can't do so. |
| 00:10.24 | Linera | :( |
| 00:10.27 | Lyrrad | it doesn't sound like thats your problem |
| 00:11.00 | Statcomm | Ok, I'll compare some more between the SCV and the "New SCV" |
| 00:11.11 | rrowland | Not really sure why that's necessary linera |
| 00:11.24 | rrowland | You can just have triggers disabled by default and enable them when you need them |
| 00:11.36 | Linera | I have a need for it |
| 00:11.47 | Lyrrad | but if its buttons not appearing then the problem is probably related to the command card |
| 00:11.49 | Linera | I want to make special triggers |
| 00:12.12 | Linera | triggers which can't be create pre-runtime |
| 00:12.25 | Linera | as I won't know them before runtime |
| 00:12.43 | Statcomm | Lyrrad, I checked the Command Card. Everything's there. I even followed the instructions exactly as described here: http://www.sc2galaxyeditor.com/tutorials/a-simple-td-part-4-creating-a-builder-unit-and-data-editor-overview/ |
| 00:12.55 | rrowland | Well it'll be some messy code |
| 00:13.00 | AsaPhelps | upload your map stat |
| 00:13.00 | rrowland | Hope you can keep track of it |
| 00:13.10 | Hati | yumyum project ten dollar ... |
| 00:13.20 | Statcomm | Ok AsaPhelps |
| 00:13.49 | Linera | now since triggers can't be created runtime from the looks of it. so much for making what i need |
| 00:13.54 | Arthas- | http://forums.battle.net/thread.html?topicId=25001940140&sid=5000 |
| 00:13.59 | Arthas- | clearly never played starcraft! |
| 00:14.01 | Linera | :'( |
| 00:14.08 | Lyrrad | What are you trying to do Linera? |
| 00:14.10 | rrowland | Well I just explained how to hack it |
| 00:14.18 | rrowland | But no I don't think it's intended |
| 00:14.29 | depthsofchaos | linera they can |
| 00:14.30 | Linera | I tried that. but it still syntax errored |
| 00:14.37 | depthsofchaos | you have to use custom script |
| 00:14.51 | rrowland | It's probably just a syntax error |
| 00:14.54 | rrowland | Which line is it pointing to |
| 00:15.06 | Linera | depthsofchaos: I ran this in a custom script and get a syntax error http://pastebin.org/255859 |
| 00:15.08 | Statcomm | AsaPhelps, I'm going to upload the SCV-New SCV map, I scraped the other TD map because I thought I had to redo it for some reason. |
| 00:15.36 | Linera | syntax error on this line |
| 00:15.38 | Linera | bool TriggerCustom (bool checkConds, bool doActions) { |
| 00:16.13 | rrowland | Did you add } before it? |
| 00:16.29 | Statcomm | AsaPhelps, err..how do I upload the map ? ^^' Don't think SC2mapster is appropriate for a test map right>? |
| 00:16.32 | Triceron | oh god, that post |
| 00:16.33 | rrowland | And add an opening bracket at the end? |
| 00:16.41 | rrowland | Something like bool fakefunction() { |
| 00:16.42 | Motive | http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/9394/screenshot019re.jpg |
| 00:16.51 | Motive | FPS weapon/WASD movement library at work :P |
| 00:16.58 | Triceron | you're forbidden from linking battle.net forum posts here now. That hurt my brain. |
| 00:17.08 | depthsofchaos | cant you just create the trigger and add the events later? |
| 00:17.13 | depthsofchaos | or it has to be that dynamic |
| 00:17.21 | AsaPhelps | just use mediafire |
| 00:17.23 | Linera | I tried placing a } before it, and it still gave me a syntax error |
| 00:17.25 | Statcomm | ok |
| 00:17.50 | rrowland | Because there's a stray } it places after your code to end the function your code is supposed to be in |
| 00:17.50 | Lyrrad | Triceron - no kidding, it made my eyes bleed |
| 00:17.57 | Linera | depthsofchaos: I need to make the triggers during runtime as I'll be using items created during runtime |
| 00:18.52 | Statcomm | AsaPhelps here it is: http://www.mediafire.com/?znqdwnbe2zm |
| 00:18.58 | depthsofchaos | well items can be identified so you could add all the events to the same trigger |
| 00:19.06 | Linera | depthsofchaos: also there are no actions for adding events to a trigger |
| 00:19.12 | Statcomm | My SCV and New SCV are close together. |
| 00:19.25 | Linera | I would need multiple triggers |
| 00:19.31 | depthsofchaos | adding events via custom script is definetly working |
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| 00:19.32 | Linera | like one per item |
| 00:19.38 | depthsofchaos | i tested |
| 00:20.02 | Linera | you can't copy a trigger either |
| 00:20.11 | Linera | during runtime at least |
| 00:20.28 | Linera | I planned to have groups of if then statements that checked various parameters and run various custom scripts which would create new triggers during runtime for performing certain tasks for me. |
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| 00:21.02 | heysparky | SWEEET... finally |
| 00:21.02 | depthsofchaos | what if you used a previously created array of triggers |
| 00:21.02 | heysparky | debris works |
| 00:21.02 | rrowland | nice |
| 00:21.02 | heysparky | thanks for the workaround rrowland |
| 00:21.05 | rrowland | np |
| 00:21.09 | rrowland | I take it you got it to work |
| 00:21.25 | Linera | depthsofchaos: problem there is no way to know pre-runtime how many triggers I'll need |
| 00:21.44 | depthsofchaos | well there has to be a maximum, inefficient i know :o |
| 00:21.59 | heysparky | I ended up initializing a group and just iterating through it giving htem the Hold command, then kick off a trigger that looks for new debris to be created and issues the same order |
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| 00:22.30 | Statcomm | I don't know, but I think I might've brought in the anti-tech mojo |
| 00:22.30 | rrowland | Ah that works |
| 00:22.30 | `228zip | Hey, Mojache's here |
| 00:22.30 | Statcomm | Huh? |
| 00:22.30 | `228zip | What the hell just happened ? |
| 00:22.30 | Triceron | whooosh |
| 00:22.36 | AsaPhelps | we appear to have been invaded |
| 00:22.38 | rrowland | netsplit |
| 00:22.44 | Statcomm | I requested something? |
| 00:22.44 | Linera | looks like someone spamming |
| 00:22.48 | `228zip | Explain ? |
| 00:22.50 | Triceron | is that like an E-Earthquake? |
| 00:22.51 | Statcomm | "frigg [~frigg@freenode/utility-bot/frigg] requested CTCP VERSION from Statcomm: " |
| 00:23.05 | Statcomm | I apparently ordered a CTCP VERSION, whatever that is. |
| 00:23.15 | rrowland | Server issue |
| 00:23.42 | `228zip | So it got fragmented for half a minute ? |
| 00:23.50 | `228zip | Or did all these people really disconnect ? |
| 00:23.50 | rrowland | Basically |
| 00:24.14 | `228zip | Well, I still have that question |
| 00:24.15 | Statcomm | If they dc'd I'd be impressed by how they choreographed their simultaneous reconnecting |
| 00:24.31 | `228zip | "[02:20] <`228zip> How the hell can the various methods or repairing a CD/DVD work ?" |
| 00:24.44 | Statcomm | Anyway, AsaPhelps, here's my map : http://www.mediafire.com/?znqdwnbe2zm |
| 00:25.00 | Statcomm | Playing Field Map at least. |
| 00:25.22 | `228zip | I don't understand the logic behind them; If a CD is scratched the data is fucked and that's it, is it not ? |
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| 00:25.56 | heysparky | is it more or less ridiculous for an overlord to pick up a ultralisk than it is for an overlord to pick up 4x4 debris? |
| 00:26.09 | rrowland | I think the data is stored on a pretty thin piece of material |
| 00:26.21 | rrowland | And scratching the CD just warps the light that is refracted |
| 00:26.25 | Lyrrad | 4x4 is bigger then an ultra |
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| 00:26.45 | RingBearer | At least the Thor... transforms! |
| 00:27.08 | heysparky | okay.. I'll stick to 2x2 debris then |
| 00:27.14 | `228zip | rrowland: Well from what I understand, the data on the CD is coded with recesses |
| 00:27.15 | `228zip | Wait |
| 00:27.16 | heysparky | poor overlord, all that poky metal |
| 00:27.18 | `228zip | Not the right word |
| 00:27.27 | heysparky | pits |
| 00:27.52 | rrowland | Well it's covered by a layer of plastic |
| 00:27.56 | rrowland | So if you scratch the plastic |
| 00:28.00 | rrowland | It warps the light |
| 00:28.08 | rrowland | But doesn't damage the actual data |
| 00:28.27 | `228zip | But then how can you actually fix that ? |
| 00:28.34 | rrowland | Fill in the missing plastic |
| 00:28.52 | Andernerd | How can I make teams? For some reason I just can't figure it out. And hello. |
| 00:29.27 | `228zip | Map -> Player properties |
| 00:30.09 | Andernerd | I don't see it there |
| 00:30.32 | RingBearer | you can always use triggers |
| 00:30.38 | Lyrrad | Stat - found your problem |
| 00:30.47 | Statcomm | Lyrrad thanks! What happened |
| 00:30.54 | Andernerd | I suppose I could. |
| 00:31.01 | Lyrrad | Links were brpken when you copied, open up the command card |
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| 00:31.30 | Statcomm | Ok I'm at the Command Card |
| 00:31.34 | Skizot | i still need voice actors for http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-OjwZcrjCQ |
| 00:31.55 | Jerub | `228zip: for every 8 bit byte on a CD, there's approximately 17 bits storing that data. |
| 00:32.16 | Lyrrad | Select the repair button |
| 00:32.21 | Jerub | `228zip: and those bits aren't consequtive either, they're spread as far around the disc as possible. |
| 00:32.42 | `228zip | So you mean there are backups all around the disc ? |
| 00:32.43 | Statcomm | Ok Lyrrad, I'm on repair. |
| 00:33.12 | Lyrrad | now change the ability to repair copy |
| 00:33.35 | Jerub | `228zip: i saw a demonstration once of a (non-production, lab only) cd player successfully playing a cd that had 3mm wide radial /total removal/ of cd surface scratches. it played fine. |
| 00:33.46 | Statcomm | Oh I get it, I have to make it so all buttons are the ability name + copy? |
| 00:33.52 | Lyrrad | yep |
| 00:34.01 | Statcomm | Is this a bug or intended? |
| 00:34.17 | Lyrrad | probably not really either |
| 00:34.53 | Statcomm | Hrm, I see. Alright, thanks alot! |
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| 00:35.22 | Lyrrad | when duplicating you should really only copy things that you intend to change |
| 00:35.44 | Alpha_vst | GRRRR |
| 00:35.53 | Statcomm | Aight, otherwise there'd be too much reselecting |
| 00:35.54 | Lilianna | Oh noes! |
| 00:36.24 | AsaPhelps | Stat did you fix it |
| 00:36.27 | Lyrrad | well and it will clutter up the data editor with a bunch of identical thingies |
| 00:36.32 | AsaPhelps | All you do is change the abilities from Stop Copy to Stop etc |
| 00:36.37 | Alpha_vst | how do i let not disable shortcut keys when i hide the ui? |
| 00:36.47 | Lyrrad | Asa- Welcome to 5 minutes ago |
| 00:36.57 | AsaPhelps | I was in a time vortex |
| 00:37.02 | Lyrrad | well 3 minutes ago :-) |
| 00:37.14 | Skizot | any audio guys here?? |
| 00:37.14 | Statcomm | AsaPhelps, yes although I'm wondering how to apply the change to the Build order |
| 00:37.27 | Statcomm | Incidentally thanks to both Lyrrad and AsaPhelps |
| 00:38.22 | Skizot | fuck. need audio help. |
| 00:38.24 | Skizot | NAO |
| 00:38.29 | Skizot | my + commands it! |
| 00:38.46 | Statcomm | I can voice act if you want |
| 00:39.01 | Skizot | well i need a mp3 cut up and made into a good loop. |
| 00:39.05 | Skizot | for background music. |
| 00:39.13 | AsaPhelps | What do you want to build Stat |
| 00:39.18 | AsaPhelps | Lets say you want to build a pylon from the SCV |
| 00:39.22 | Vailreth | any one here know how to unpack the sounds from UT2004 |
| 00:39.29 | Statcomm | AsaPhelps, right now I'm just trying to make the new unit be exactly like the SCV |
| 00:39.41 | RingBearer | Easiest way is to open up the map editor |
| 00:39.44 | RingBearer | and then export I think |
| 00:40.12 | AsaPhelps | Whats different about your SCV from the original? |
| 00:40.26 | Lyrrad | Nothing yet |
| 00:40.28 | Statcomm | Nothing AsaPhelps, I'm just trying to learn. |
| 00:40.55 | Statcomm | Like I said, I was doing another map, found some screwy things with my TD worker, so started a new map where I tried to replicate SCV to figure out what I was doing wrong. |
| 00:41.00 | heysparky | send it to me, Skiz, I'll see if my sweetie will do it |
| 00:41.23 | heysparky | no promises |
| 00:42.12 | Statcomm | So far I got everything else to work Lyrrad and AsaPhelps. Now gotta figure out how to have the build command (or in Command Card language, how to access the second sub-menu) |
| 00:43.17 | Andernerd | So how do I delete a unit? |
| 00:43.27 | Alpha_vst | delete how |
| 00:43.38 | Andernerd | I mean off of the terrain |
| 00:43.42 | Statcomm | Andernerd, in the editor you can just right click on it and remove it, in the map you just select it and hit "delete" |
| 00:43.43 | Alpha_vst | space |
| 00:43.53 | Alpha_vst | so you can select it |
| 00:44.14 | Andernerd | Alright, thanks |
| 00:44.17 | AsaPhelps | Go to the command card, build structure should be Command Type: Submenu Req: None Command Card: 2 |
| 00:45.22 | Hati | http://www.cracked.com/photoshop_85_if-video-games-were-realistic_p27#27 |
| 00:45.24 | Statcomm | That's what it is AsaPhelps |
| 00:45.35 | AsaPhelps | Then go to the second submenu |
| 00:46.06 | Statcomm | ok |
| 00:46.08 | AsaPhelps | Click the button and do Command type Ability req n/a, Ability: Build (SCV) Ability Command: Build Command Center etc |
| 00:46.31 | AsaPhelps | If you want to add buildings go to the ability and look at info+ |
| 00:47.01 | Statcomm | Gonna test it |
| 00:47.37 | Statcomm | Ah I see! So it wasn't showing because there was nothing according to the editor in the second submenu! |
| 00:47.40 | AsaPhelps | MercCompound whats that suppose to be |
| 00:47.45 | Statcomm | Whew, thanks AsaPhelps! |
| 00:47.46 | `228zip | Hati: Video games heroes have warpbags, it's a well-known fact. |
| 00:48.02 | AsaPhelps | rrow are you making a colliding rocket? |
| 00:49.08 | AsaPhelps | Do reapers have a speed upgrade in melee? |
| 00:49.21 | Andernerd | Now I get an error, "Unable to open map" and AsaPhelps, yes |
| 00:50.00 | AsaPhelps | From where? |
| 00:50.07 | Linera | go figure, WC3 jass allowed you to create triggers on the fly but SC2 doesn't |
| 00:50.11 | Andernerd | The barracks tech lab |
| 00:50.41 | `228zip | Hati: I really like the Gordon Freeman one =D |
| 00:50.49 | Andernerd | And Linera, this isn't quite complete; besides the fact that this is a beta, there are two more expansions |
| 00:50.57 | Andernerd | So cross your fingers |
| 00:51.35 | Andernerd | Anyways, it would take time for SCII to compile the trigger after completing it. That might be a problem |
| 00:51.46 | Linera | so much for making the systems i need for my map |
| 00:52.30 | Andernerd | What did you need it to do? |
| 00:52.54 | Alpha_vst | how do i hide the ui but let hotkeys still work? |
| 00:53.09 | Linera | Create triggers during runtime. |
| 00:53.25 | Linera | but can't so my stuff is a no go :( |
| 00:54.41 | Lyrrad | What is the trigger supposed to do? |
| 00:55.17 | AsaPhelps | I wonder if Good guys will get canceled in less than a month |
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| 00:55.34 | Linera | I planned to have groups of if then statements that checked various parameters and run various custom scripts which would create new triggers during runtime for performing certain tasks for me. |
| 00:56.07 | Linera | stuff that can't be done pre-runtime |
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| 00:57.13 | Linera | as there is no one to know how many I'll need and each item has its own set of triggers |
| 00:57.28 | Andernerd | Does anyone know how to solve the error, "Map cannot start?" |
| 00:57.38 | AsaPhelps | oh rrowland made reaper madness |
| 00:57.42 | AsaPhelps | He's suddenly my hero |
| 00:57.44 | Lyrrad | Chaneg player 14 to none or computer |
| 00:57.46 | Hati | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8kcUjuXBFA8 |
| 00:57.56 | Hati | no wonder old ppl hate computers :/ |
| 00:58.12 | Andernerd | Was that aimed at me, Lyrrad? |
| 00:59.04 | Linera | :'( |
| 00:59.36 | Lyrrad | Ander - yes |
| 00:59.40 | AsaPhelps | That thing looks so fun |
| 00:59.45 | `228zip | What the hell is this. |
| 01:01.24 | AsaPhelps | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QO2OocOVcJo&feature=related |
| 01:01.57 | AsaPhelps | Oh man some of these are funny |
| 01:02.36 | AsaPhelps | So who's made a colliding missile before? |
| 01:02.50 | rrowland | Colliding? |
| 01:03.03 | Linera | Today has been a sad day for me is Galaxy Editor |
| 01:03.36 | Lyrrad | rrow thats what you were working on isn't it? |
| 01:03.50 | Motive | is there like a limit to the # of boss bars you can display at once? :( |
| 01:04.16 | rrowland | Well not anymore, but I was working on missiles that collide only once per unit and don't get destroyed on impact |
| 01:04.24 | rrowland | I decided to go with triggers |
| 01:04.31 | AsaPhelps | You traitor |
| 01:04.37 | rrowland | But I did move all of my non-missile abilities to the data editor |
| 01:05.35 | rrowland | I just showed my GF my map for the first time in like a week |
| 01:05.40 | rrowland | She thought it was pretty sweet. |
| 01:05.53 | rrowland | AMAZING even |
| 01:06.02 | Lyrrad | after working on the map for a week you still have a gf? |
| 01:06.05 | `228zip | Why the hell do I say "Hell" so much ? |
| 01:06.05 | `228zip | on this chat. |
| 01:06.05 | `228zip | AsaPhelps This doll is scary. |
| 01:06.05 | `228zip | In the data editor ? I don't touch that thing. |
| 01:06.05 | `228zip | It's dangerous. |
| 01:06.25 | rrowland | Yeah been with her for 3 years |
| 01:06.29 | rrowland | She likes that I'm a huge nerd |
| 01:06.39 | Lyrrad | 228 - could be worse, he could have linked "baby wee wee" |
| 01:07.16 | AsaPhelps | Did you fill her nydus canal with zerglings? |
| 01:07.18 | Skizot | rrowland my wife, used to give me a blowjob for every purple item i got in wow. |
| 01:07.27 | rrowland | lol |
| 01:07.45 | AsaPhelps | Are those pants from MC? Because that ass is epic |
| 01:07.47 | rrowland | No asa, I don't want any roaches on my hands 9 months from now |
| 01:08.29 | rrowland | "What's the drop rate on those pants?" |
| 01:08.58 | AsaPhelps | So I'm trying to make an ability that: Shoots a missile at a random target, collidies on impact, and switch targets if its target dies |
| 01:09.02 | AsaPhelps | Anyone want to help? D: |
| 01:09.27 | rrowland | Ooh I do |
| 01:09.29 | rrowland | Use triggers |
| 01:09.42 | AsaPhelps | Well I'd be willing to use triggers at this point |
| 01:10.28 | Lyrrad | Asa you traitor |
| 01:10.48 | `228zip | Asa: Join the Trigger side! We have cookies. |
| 01:10.50 | rrowland | Sounds like you need a behavior with a periodic random search that goes off if you: have no target or your target is dead, and assigns a random target in a certain radius around it |
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| 01:10.56 | pirate | oh god |
| 01:11.00 | rrowland | If you're doing it in data |
| 01:11.05 | Motive | AsaPhelps, you can probably change my FPS bullet system around enough to get it working in triggers. |
| 01:11.12 | Motive | Won't be as nice though |
| 01:11.13 | pirate | all unit actors in the editor have a fusion core model |
| 01:11.20 | pirate | how do i undo this? |
| 01:11.37 | rrowland | cut out all your triggers and make a new map? lol |
| 01:11.43 | pirate | like, all units placed in my map look like a fusion core |
| 01:11.56 | AsaPhelps | Thats...weird? |
| 01:11.59 | Lyrrad | pirate - go the the actor for fusion core |
| 01:12.12 | rrowland | And set it to fusion core! |
| 01:12.15 | rrowland | Cause it's set to null! |
| 01:12.19 | rrowland | And null means everything! |
| 01:12.34 | rrowland | Beat you to it |
| 01:12.34 | rrowland | :P |
| 01:12.35 | AsaPhelps | Maybe he likes fusion cores |
| 01:12.53 | pirate | hmmm |
| 01:13.56 | Lyrrad | pirate - Did rrow's ramblings help? |
| 01:14.05 | rrowland | Ughhhh |
| 01:14.09 | rrowland | It's in the TOKEN box |
| 01:14.10 | rrowland | At the top |
| 01:14.12 | rrowland | It's empty |
| 01:15.04 | pirate | its not empty though |
| 01:15.21 | Lyrrad | open up the events + field |
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| 01:15.41 | lapin_sc | hi |
| 01:15.47 | Lyrrad | hello |
| 01:16.02 | lapin_sc | Is there an alternative download site for sc2 patches? Oneof my friend is having problems with the tracker. |
| 01:16.15 | pirate | what about events? |
| 01:16.28 | Lyrrad | pirate - make sure that all the UnitBirth are UnitBirth.FusionCore |
| 01:16.52 | Linera | lets hope blizzard gives us a way to create new triggers during runtime using custom scripts |
| 01:17.08 | Linera | I doubt they will though |
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| 01:18.37 | NeoDeathXp | hello! |
| 01:18.39 | Lyrrad | pirate - are they all UnitBirth.FusionCore.<something> and not UnitBirth.*.<Something>? |
| 01:18.42 | Lyrrad | hello |
| 01:18.50 | rrowland | hello |
| 01:18.57 | pirate | they werent |
| 01:19.55 | Lyrrad | Then you just need to make them UnitBirth.FusionCore.<Something> and that should fix your problem |
| 01:19.57 | rrowland | What's in the token field? |
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| 01:20.43 | pirate | Fusion Core is in the token field for Fusion Core Actor |
| 01:20.51 | pirate | The only time I |
| 01:21.16 | pirate | ve touched the fusion core in this map, is that I used a mini one for a grenade item model |
| 01:21.43 | Lyrrad | pirate - is it fixed now? |
| 01:21.56 | pirate | no |
| 01:22.03 | rrowland | Did you create an actor for your mini one? |
| 01:22.06 | pirate | yes |
| 01:22.12 | rrowland | Go check its token field |
| 01:22.18 | pirate | it was working fine 20 mins ago |
| 01:22.19 | Lyrrad | and its events |
| 01:22.49 | pirate | Token for actor Grenade Item is set to Grenade Item |
| 01:23.54 | Lyrrad | you don't have another stray actor hanging around do you? |
| 01:24.44 | pirate | when i test the map things work again |
| 01:24.59 | pirate | and look normal... |
| 01:25.19 | Lyrrad | The terrain editor doesn't always properly refresh |
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| 01:29.35 | Statcomm | Oh crap, the SC2 Editor keeps crashing T_T |
| 01:29.43 | Statcomm | I can't test out my new TD probe builder :( |
| 01:30.26 | Statcomm | Oddly enough, it happens only when I try to build with it. |
| 01:32.31 | pirate | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:32.38 | pirate | thanks rrowland and lyrrad |
| 01:33.11 | AsaPhelps | Do you have the right buildings stat |
| 01:33.56 | Statcomm | Should be |
| 01:33.59 | Statcomm | AsaPhelps |
| 01:34.07 | Statcomm | Oh wait, Photon Cannon Copy |
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| 01:43.40 | Statcomm | Haha! AsaPhelps, thanks so much, the guy's working! |
| 01:45.32 | Andernerd | Does anyone know how to make a respawn timer, such as in WC3 DOTA or Battleships? |
| 01:45.48 | AsaPhelps | There's a dota type map with waves |
| 01:46.56 | deliverancelost | Like a respawn timer for when your hero unit dies? |
| 01:47.07 | AsaPhelps | It doesn't have a timer but it respawns him |
| 01:48.34 | deliverancelost | If you wanted it to wait a duration before respawning a unit it wouldn't be to hard. Have the unit set as a unit variable, and a trigger that starts on "Unit dies" event that creats a dialog with a countdown timer in it or something like that |
| 01:48.49 | Andernerd | That' |
| 01:49.04 | Andernerd | That's not the problem; it's remaking the unit that's killing me |
| 01:49.25 | Andernerd | Do you know what the dotalike map is called? |
| 01:49.29 | deliverancelost | If you wanted it to be visible to all players you would have to do it in a leaderboard or something I would imagine, but I don't have much experience with those. |
| 01:49.40 | Andernerd | I already did that |
| 01:49.54 | Andernerd | But actually recreating the unit is proving to be a challenge for me |
| 01:50.01 | deliverancelost | Is it a hero type unit? |
| 01:50.04 | Andernerd | Yes |
| 01:50.13 | Andernerd | Do you know what the command is? |
| 01:50.40 | deliverancelost | Let me check something... |
| 01:50.44 | Andernerd | k |
| 01:50.52 | AsaPhelps | http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/survival/ |
| 01:51.03 | AsaPhelps | http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/survival/files/9-defence-of-the-ancients-0-8/ |
| 01:51.14 | AsaPhelps | If you die you keep the exp but not the skills |
| 01:51.21 | AsaPhelps | Like you have to redistibute them |
| 01:51.29 | Andernerd | That's not an issue |
| 01:51.41 | AsaPhelps | Then what is? |
| 01:51.42 | Andernerd | The skills don't even exist in my map yet =D |
| 01:51.52 | Andernerd | Keeping the experience and items is the problem |
| 01:52.12 | Andernerd | And getting the unit to come back at all |
| 01:53.02 | deliverancelost | The "create unit with default facing" isn't working for you? |
| 01:53.49 | AsaPhelps | Couldn't you just do |
| 01:53.53 | Andernerd | OK, I can use that, but how do I save the inventory and the experience? |
| 01:53.56 | AsaPhelps | Unit dies, spawn unit |
| 01:54.01 | Andernerd | Or can I set it to create the dead unit? |
| 01:54.14 | AsaPhelps | I don't know if that saves inventory |
| 01:54.17 | AsaPhelps | But it does save exp |
| 01:54.41 | deliverancelost | I don't know about inventory either. |
| 01:54.57 | TheLaughingMan | Barg |
| 01:55.12 | deliverancelost | I know you can make it drop inventory on death. |
| 01:55.26 | TheLaughingMan | Does anyone know how to setup Custom Event Definitions? |
| 01:56.25 | AsaPhelps | Events scare me |
| 01:57.02 | deliverancelost | I don't think you can, at least not from what i've seen |
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| 01:57.34 | TheLaughingMan | \Well you can create events, I am assuming it is just a piece of code that fires an event off |
| 01:58.15 | Vailreth | you can set up a structure with an auto cast revive ability to revive heros |
| 01:58.50 | Andernerd | Not a bad idea, Vailreth |
| 01:59.11 | Andernerd | How would I get it to revive to a certain spot, though? |
| 01:59.19 | Linera | damn, another idea to create triggers during runtime and not even that worked |
| 01:59.21 | Linera | :( |
| 02:00.09 | Andernerd | I can't imagine why you would ever need to do that, Linera |
| 02:00.11 | Vailreth | well they would revive at the building so you would have to have it where you wanted them to revive.. |
| 02:00.32 | Linera | i guess its just not possible to create triggers during runtime :( |
| 02:00.44 | Vailreth | maybe a Xel Naga tower with its events edited |
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| 02:02.01 | Linera | Andernerd: I have needs to create triggers on the fly |
| 02:02.18 | Motive | Can I steal one of you to test my shooter and movement system? :P |
| 02:02.45 | Vailreth | which server Eu Or Us? |
| 02:02.49 | Motive | US |
| 02:03.07 | Vailreth | i am game how would i go about testing? |
| 02:03.19 | Motive | Have you ever used a map patcher/swapper thing to play multiplayer? |
| 02:03.28 | Vailreth | not yet |
| 02:03.35 | Motive | I guess you get to learn. :P |
| 02:03.37 | Motive | What OS are you on? |
| 02:03.39 | Andernerd | Actually, I still need to try that |
| 02:03.49 | Vailreth | Vista 64 ultimate |
| 02:03.56 | Motive | Sec then. :P |
| 02:04.18 | Motive | http://www.sc2mapster.com/assets/mac-map-launcher/files/9-map-craft-1-2-windows-release/ |
| 02:04.25 | AsaPhelps | Vista |
| 02:04.27 | AsaPhelps | Really? |
| 02:04.31 | Motive | Download MapCraft 1.2. It's a basic map swapping program. |
| 02:04.54 | Vailreth | yes Vista |
| 02:05.08 | Motive | Vista isn't THAT bad. He at least gets the security upgrades. :P |
| 02:05.18 | Andernerd | I had Vista... I deleted it. It sucked |
| 02:05.34 | Andernerd | Replaced it with Dualboot XP and Ubuntu |
| 02:05.41 | Motive | It's not a great OS but it's certainly more secure and faster than XP. |
| 02:06.00 | Andernerd | Did you just say that Vista is faster than something else? |
| 02:06.04 | Linera | Blizzard must really hate me |
| 02:06.09 | Andernerd | Heretic! |
| 02:06.11 | Motive | Yes, yes I did. |
| 02:06.14 | Furyhunter | dual booting 7 and ubuntu |
| 02:06.27 | Motive | I personally don't like Vista but I give it credit where credit is due. |
| 02:06.30 | Vailreth | ok i have mapcraft |
| 02:06.33 | Furyhunter | Andernerd, Vista is WAY faster than XP now that people actually have the RIGHT hardware to run the damn thing |
| 02:06.35 | Andernerd | I'll be replacing my XP with 7, probably this summer |
| 02:06.39 | Motive | Ok, vailreth, can you verify it runs alright? |
| 02:06.46 | Furyhunter | I get almost 20 more FPS in dalaran on Vista/7 |
| 02:07.01 | Motive | It has issues with Windows sometimes. |
| 02:07.08 | Andernerd | WOW doesn't count |
| 02:07.12 | Alpha_vst | lol wow |
| 02:07.13 | Motive | Why wouldn't WoW count? |
| 02:07.13 | Motive | :P |
| 02:07.31 | Andernerd | You can run WOW no problem on a single core... |
| 02:07.39 | Vailreth | it seems to be i dont have a map to test it with yet |
| 02:07.40 | Motive | It doesn't matter whether you can or can't. |
| 02:07.42 | Linera | :( |
| 02:08.03 | Motive | Ok, Vailreth, download this map http://www.mediafire.com/?mmtyloujzky |
| 02:08.33 | Andernerd | I'm also dling it |
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| 02:08.41 | Motive | I can have a few people test it I guess. :P |
| 02:09.13 | Motive | Once you have it, get on SC2 and send a message to TheBlackMage.motive with your Charactername.identifier. |
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| 02:12.22 | Repo | New map: http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/test-1-2-3/. Test 1-2-3. DominicEverest (Manager/Author). Experimental. Approved by sixen. |
| 02:12.24 | Andernerd | I might as well just say I'm Andernerd.andernerd |
| 02:12.44 | Motive | That works, invited. |
| 02:13.00 | Motive | How goes it, Vailreth? |
| 02:13.20 | Linera | Can anyone see if they can get this to work? http://www.mediafire.com/?zoiwokzdzl2 |
| 02:13.38 | Vailreth | how do i send a message sorry i never have before |
| 02:13.47 | Motive | Just give me your charactername.identifier now then |
| 02:13.59 | Vailreth | Vailreth.telrade |
| 02:14.13 | Motive | Invited you |
| 02:14.14 | rrowland | Got 4 people? What map is it |
| 02:14.24 | Motive | We got 3 but I don't think it'll work with 4 |
| 02:14.28 | Motive | It's just a test map anyways |
| 02:14.29 | rrowland | ah k |
| 02:14.31 | Motive | nothing too fancy |
| 02:15.38 | Linera | I guess no one then :( |
| 02:16.52 | AsaPhelps | Work single player lin? |
| 02:17.12 | AsaPhelps | Or make it work? |
| 02:18.38 | Linera | its a map where i tried to make actions that allowed you do access Triggercreate and add events using GUI |
| 02:18.59 | Linera | it works almost but can't find the function when the event goes off |
| 02:20.12 | Linera | I guess blizzard just hates me... :( |
| 02:21.08 | Andernerd | Well, that was interesting. Anyone else want to test something? |
| 02:21.18 | Andernerd | (Not my map) |
| 02:21.30 | Motive | Demonstrates how things can go from perfect to horrible with only multiplayer |
| 02:21.31 | Motive | :( |
| 02:21.37 | Andernerd | Yeah |
| 02:21.55 | Andernerd | But at least it started perfect. I'm just stuck with horrible |
| 02:22.11 | Andernerd | I tried emulating Battleships; it's not working well |
| 02:22.11 | Motive | But yeah the plan is to eventually have an arena-like thing where you run around and kill other players and possibly random hostile units. |
| 02:22.41 | AsaPhelps | If you giv eup motive you can always help me |
| 02:22.48 | rrowland | How's the lag feeling motive? |
| 02:22.49 | Motive | Also possibly swap/upgrade weapons since I made a whole system to do that. |
| 02:22.54 | Motive | The lag was fine, actually. |
| 02:22.54 | Andernerd | You may also want to make people spawn at slightly different spots, instead of on top of each other |
| 02:23.04 | Motive | I didn't really have any problems aside from turning and that's just because I hardcoded 10 degree turns |
| 02:23.08 | Motive | Yes, that too |
| 02:23.22 | AsaPhelps | I don't know why I'm finding it so hard to make a colliding missile |
| 02:23.40 | Motive | My missiles collide, I just can'tu se the data editor so I have to do it all with triggers. Lol |
| 02:23.58 | Andernerd | Why can't you use the data editor? |
| 02:24.03 | Motive | I suck too hard at it. |
| 02:24.06 | Andernerd | Same |
| 02:24.07 | AsaPhelps | I'd be willing to use triggers at this point |
| 02:24.10 | Andernerd | It's confusing |
| 02:24.22 | Motive | You can take a look at my FPS system if you want, AsaPhelps. I don't know if it's really portable to your game though. |
| 02:24.23 | Andernerd | I thought you meant your comp crashed when you tried |
| 02:24.30 | AsaPhelps | Try making that uberlisk in the data editor if you want confusion |
| 02:25.08 | Andernerd | So is it really that much easier to use XML? |
| 02:25.26 | AsaPhelps | No idea |
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| 02:25.54 | Linera | sighs |
| 02:26.21 | AsaPhelps | There there Linera, there there. |
| 02:26.36 | AsaPhelps | I'll give you a cookie if you want to take a break from that and help me |
| 02:26.44 | mikelat | hi there everyone |
| 02:26.50 | mikelat | say cheese, you're on camera |
| 02:27.11 | Motive | Hmm. I can't for the life of me figure out how the shooting got mixed up. o_O |
| 02:27.39 | Linera | AsaPhelps: you just don't know how much i need to be able to create triggers during runtime |
| 02:27.44 | Motive | I wrote the map from the ground up to support multiplayer and I'm looking at it and all the right things are in the right places. :/ |
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| 02:28.27 | Andernerd | Anyone want to try a map online? |
| 02:28.34 | AsaPhelps | What genre |
| 02:28.36 | Ignorance | No. |
| 02:28.39 | Andernerd | Any |
| 02:28.50 | AsaPhelps | Is it your map? |
| 02:28.53 | Andernerd | No |
| 02:28.59 | Andernerd | My map doesn't work yet |
| 02:29.03 | Andernerd | But I want a break |
| 02:29.26 | Alpha_vst | :( |
| 02:29.49 | AsaPhelps | Is shadowTD multiplayer |
| 02:29.56 | Andernerd | No clue |
| 02:30.02 | Andernerd | Never tried it |
| 02:31.12 | Andernerd | Just checked; it's not |
| 02:31.49 | AsaPhelps | I'd say you could try my map but its pretty bad |
| 02:32.02 | Linera | sighs |
| 02:32.05 | Motive | I liked your map :P |
| 02:32.22 | Andernerd | You didn't try it; or are you taking to someone else |
| 02:32.29 | Motive | AsaPhelps I mean |
| 02:32.39 | Andernerd | What did he make? |
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| 02:33.17 | Alpha_vst | wow thats lame as shit at least i fixed it lol |
| 02:33.38 | AsaPhelps | Its like a tower wars kinda |
| 02:33.43 | AsaPhelps | You build stuff |
| 02:33.51 | AsaPhelps | And you shoot stuff that lags me because you spam so many lasers |
| 02:34.03 | Andernerd | Great; can you post a link to it? |
| 02:34.22 | Skizot | zip left :( |
| 02:34.31 | Andernerd | Also, do you know what component it's hardest on? My video card can handle it, but my processor might not |
| 02:34.49 | AsaPhelps | Yeah let me change a couple things |
| 02:35.11 | Alpha_vst | Note if you dont set a low poly model things wont show up in game if you are on low quality lol |
| 02:35.49 | Motive | My Mac could run it, he'll be fine. Lol |
| 02:35.51 | Skizot | after i test this one edit... |
| 02:35.57 | Skizot | anyone interested in testing mp? |
| 02:36.05 | Motive | Sure :P |
| 02:36.10 | Andernerd | My Radeon HD 5770 means I can always be on Ultra =D |
| 02:36.15 | Skizot | you US motive? |
| 02:36.23 | Motive | Yup :D |
| 02:36.28 | Andernerd | If you're up to a 3rd person, I'll go too |
| 02:36.32 | Linera | I just get why blizzard didn't give us a way to create new triggers during runtime |
| 02:36.38 | rrowland | How many players skiz? |
| 02:37.03 | Motive | Technically, all triggers are created during runtime |
| 02:37.07 | Andernerd | I already told you Linera; the triggers would also need to compile in runtime |
| 02:37.08 | Motive | see: TriggerCreate() |
| 02:37.32 | Linera | wc3 jass allowed you to create new triggers during runtime |
| 02:37.40 | nuknfuts | i noticed this game is a lot more CPU intense than i thought it would be |
| 02:37.40 | Skizot | it's 2p :( |
| 02:37.49 | nuknfuts | granted RTS's always are... but still for a blizz game |
| 02:37.50 | Andernerd | Note that C++ doean't |
| 02:37.56 | Andernerd | doesn't* |
| 02:38.07 | AsaPhelps | Ander are you US? |
| 02:38.11 | Andernerd | Yes |
| 02:38.14 | AsaPhelps | http://www.mediafire.com/?wuwtmjdooid |
| 02:38.39 | Andernerd | I'm Andernerd.andernerd |
| 02:39.24 | Andernerd | Is your map 1p? |
| 02:39.31 | Andernerd | Or are we playing together? |
| 02:39.39 | Linera | I made an action definition that pointed to the native TriggerCreate(trigger) and made one for a event so i could add it to the trigger, it works except when the trigger's event fires it can't find the function it was pointed to |
| 02:40.09 | Andernerd | Sorry, send that invite again |
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| 02:40.22 | Skizot | mmmmm |
| 02:40.28 | Skizot | sexy ranged bullets |
| 02:40.48 | SevenSeven | hey guys |
| 02:40.56 | SevenSeven | How do you grab the sub thing from a chat message |
| 02:41.01 | SevenSeven | i.e. -speed x |
| 02:41.04 | SevenSeven | grab x |
| 02:41.16 | Motive | StringWord(EventChatString(false), 2) |
| 02:41.21 | SevenSeven | GUI trigger? |
| 02:41.32 | Motive | String Word( Entered Chat String(something), 2 ) |
| 02:41.34 | SevenSeven | found it |
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| 02:41.36 | SevenSeven | lol |
| 02:41.38 | SevenSeven | thanks :P |
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| 02:42.50 | ILoveZerg | Is there an easy way to increase the size of a unit with an ability or behavior |
| 02:43.22 | heysparky | howdy folks |
| 02:44.02 | Vailreth | i dont think there is an Easy way.. |
| 02:46.25 | TheLaughingMan | Linera, Action Definitions can only be used as a step in the actions of another trigger |
| 02:46.34 | Linera | no |
| 02:46.42 | Linera | see the option: Native |
| 02:47.08 | TheLaughingMan | what about it? |
| 02:47.20 | Motive | I don't think anyone that doesn't work at Blizzard has a purpose for "native" |
| 02:47.26 | Linera | which makes it point to a native which is the same name as the definition |
| 02:48.00 | Linera | some natives have no gui item |
| 02:48.15 | Motive | Ah I see |
| 02:48.16 | Linera | like TriggerCreate |
| 02:49.00 | allenmelon | another patch? |
| 02:49.30 | TheLaughingMan | So your trying to make a trigger from what? |
| 02:49.41 | FrozenFirebat | Sixen, on a rampage on the forums XD |
| 02:49.47 | Linera | so by making a function defintion named TriggerCreate(trigger) i can call it and get the return value trigger it gives off to set a variable to the trigger that was just created |
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| 02:50.04 | TheLaughingMan | TriggerCreate(string) |
| 02:50.14 | Linera | I'm trying to find a way to create triggers during runtime |
| 02:50.22 | Linera | so far its impossible |
| 02:50.34 | Motive | The problem is that you can't create functions during runtime. |
| 02:50.37 | TheLaughingMan | Well first of all it is TriggerCreate(Stringe) |
| 02:50.40 | Linera | and no one will help |
| 02:50.49 | TheLaughingMan | And you can't create functions |
| 02:50.50 | Motive | Triggers can be created, but all triggers are represented by a function. |
| 02:50.55 | Linera | you point to an existing funtion |
| 02:51.16 | TheLaughingMan | If the function already exists then why not just put it into a trigger then? |
| 02:51.19 | Linera | which doesn't work |
| 02:51.39 | Linera | i have a need for this |
| 02:51.58 | SevenSeven | anyone know how to make a battlecruiser tilt more quickly? |
| 02:51.58 | Linera | but sadly you can't create triggers during runtime. |
| 02:52.11 | Motive | tilt? |
| 02:52.15 | TheLaughingMan | Well you might want to make sure it is TriggerCreate(string) instead of TriggerCreate(trigger) |
| 02:52.17 | SevenSeven | like when you make it move in a circle |
| 02:52.24 | Motive | You can create TRIGGERS in runtime. you can't create functions at runtime. |
| 02:52.25 | SevenSeven | it tilts to the side |
| 02:52.27 | Linera | i just don't get why blizzard didn't give us the ability to do so when wc3 could |
| 02:52.31 | Motive | I create triggers during runtime all over my library |
| 02:52.43 | Sixen | :) |
| 02:52.44 | Linera | I tried and nothing works |
| 02:52.49 | Sixen | That's how I roll, FF. |
| 02:52.56 | Motive | trigger t = TriggerCreate("myfunctionname"); |
| 02:53.07 | Linera | doesn't work |
| 02:53.09 | Motive | so create a GUI native function that returns a trigger and takes a string as a parameter |
| 02:53.10 | Linera | I tried to |
| 02:53.12 | Motive | yes it does |
| 02:53.14 | Motive | I do it in my map |
| 02:53.18 | Linera | http://www.mediafire.com/?zoiwokzdzl2 |
| 02:53.20 | Linera | see |
| 02:53.24 | Linera | that won't work |
| 02:53.24 | Motive | I can't download your map |
| 02:53.26 | Linera | failed |
| 02:53.28 | Motive | I just existed Windows |
| 02:53.49 | SevenSeven | any ideas on the battlecruiser thing? |
| 02:54.59 | Linera | i made a function for TriggerCreate, and had trigger t = TriggerCreate("lib1_gf_test") which worked, but when the trigger fires it can't find the function |
| 02:55.11 | Linera | so that way doesn't work |
| 02:55.13 | Motive | I dont see how that's possible. o_O |
| 02:55.14 | Motive | I know it works |
| 02:55.20 | Motive | My library uses it for every single chat command. |
| 02:55.22 | Linera | using custom script doesn't work either |
| 02:55.55 | Motive | Congratulations on moderator, btw, Skizot. |
| 02:56.20 | Linera | i even made an action to add an event to the trigger which worked but it still fails |
| 02:56.31 | Skizot | ?? |
| 02:56.35 | Linera | nothing works to create a damn trigger during runtime |
| 02:56.40 | Motive | http://svn2.assembla.com/svn/CortexDev/trunk/Chat/Chat.galaxy |
| 02:56.46 | Motive | take a look at libcrtx_command_create |
| 02:56.47 | Linera | so its just not possible, Thanks Blizzard |
| 02:56.53 | Motive | specifically the TriggerCreate(lp_func) part |
| 02:57.06 | Motive | I maintain a list of triggers in the Data Table that are all dynamically created during runtime. |
| 02:57.11 | Motive | Then I use them to run chat commands that the user enters. |
| 02:57.17 | Motive | It definitely works. Something's just wrong in your implementation. |
| 02:57.58 | Linera | i have a similar setup |
| 02:58.05 | AsaPhelps | How do you make it so an ability has 2 effects, but has a period between them |
| 02:58.06 | FrozenFirebat | Anybody creates a includable mod for heroes yet? I dont want to have to recreate the wheel XD |
| 02:58.14 | Linera | just not custom script as that doesn't work |
| 02:58.19 | AsaPhelps | Ie, if I want a zergling to fire a yamato then an emp 2 seconds apart |
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| 02:58.33 | FrozenFirebat | AsaPhelps, Persistent effects |
| 02:58.35 | Motive | Try doing it in just custom script as a test. Make a function that just prints something to the screen then make another trigger that runs at Game Time = 0 and in custom script does "trigger t = TriggerCreate("myfunction"); TriggerExecute(t, false, false);" |
| 02:58.36 | FrozenFirebat | It has periods |
| 02:58.42 | Motive | I believe that syntax is ok |
| 02:58.46 | FrozenFirebat | that seperate the effects in a series |
| 02:58.47 | Motive | don't quote me on it though, check the natives |
| 02:58.57 | AsaPhelps | ty fire |
| 02:59.26 | Linera | i did but when the trigger tried to fire it can't find the function |
| 03:00.18 | Motive | Then you have the function name wrong. |
| 03:00.25 | Motive | Make sure it's a function and if it's make in GUI it'll be something like |
| 03:00.28 | Motive | "gf_myfunction" |
| 03:00.30 | Motive | I believe. |
| 03:00.49 | Linera | it is |
| 03:00.57 | Linera | lib1_gf_test |
| 03:01.10 | Motive | Try viewing the .galaxy code generated. |
| 03:01.17 | Motive | Ctrl + F11 I think to open the Script Editor. |
| 03:01.18 | Linera | even tried placing it outside of a library so it was gf_test |
| 03:01.32 | Motive | Look at the code. Something has to just not be adding up. |
| 03:01.35 | Motive | Because the feature DOES work |
| 03:02.00 | Linera | lv_t = TriggerCreate("lib1_gf_test"); |
| 03:02.06 | Linera | in script view |
| 03:02.22 | Motive | why don't you add in custom script beneath that something like |
| 03:02.34 | Skizot | SHIT |
| 03:02.37 | Skizot | sorry motive. |
| 03:02.40 | Skizot | but it's gonna be a few |
| 03:02.40 | Motive | if( lv_t == null ) { UIDisplayMessage( PlayerGroupAll(), c_messageAreaDebug, "can't find function!"); } |
| 03:02.43 | Motive | lol it's ok, skizot. |
| 03:02.51 | Skizot | and if what i'm doing WORKS... |
| 03:02.54 | Motive | I know how annoying those bullet systems are. :P |
| 03:03.00 | Skizot | you'll understand why and be all like DAMMMMNNN |
| 03:03.26 | xttocs | Skizot likes to YELLLL |
| 03:03.39 | Motive | I think that DAMMMMMMNNN wasn't like a yell more of |
| 03:03.49 | Motive | like how you imagine someone saying it when a hot chick walks by. |
| 03:03.50 | xttocs | Not just the DAMMMMM but everything |
| 03:03.54 | Linera | motive: i did TriggerAddEventKeyPressed(t, 1, Escape, Down, Exclude, Exclude, Exclude) |
| 03:04.08 | Andernerd | Hey AsaPhelps, want to try my map now? I think it's http://www.mediafire.com/?zfzmydljtij |
| 03:04.15 | Motive | in custom script? |
| 03:04.17 | Linera | and i pressed esc, and said it can't find lib1_gf_test |
| 03:04.20 | xttocs | Motive, that form of damn is spelled with a Y. |
| 03:04.30 | Motive | usually, xttocs. |
| 03:04.39 | Linera | no TriggerAddEventKeyPressed(t, 1, Escape, Down, Exclude, Exclude, Exclude) is a custom action native definition |
| 03:05.13 | Motive | Oh, I know why it won't work |
| 03:05.14 | Motive | :P |
| 03:05.18 | Linera | ??? |
| 03:05.29 | Motive | The function has to be declared ABOVE where the trigger references it. |
| 03:05.33 | Motive | Make sure that's happening. |
| 03:06.11 | rrowland | lol procedural programming 101 |
| 03:06.12 | Linera | when looking in the script view the function is above the trigger create |
| 03:06.39 | Motive | Upload the map, I'll start up windows... lol |
| 03:07.05 | Linera | http://www.mediafire.com/?zoiwokzdzl2 |
| 03:08.59 | AsaPhelps | so how do persistant effects work? |
| 03:09.57 | TheLaughingMan | Linera, make sure that it |
| 03:10.10 | Andernerd | Does anyone know a fun, working map? |
| 03:10.30 | TheLaughingMan | Linera, the function your creating the trigger for has to have the following... |
| 03:10.30 | Motive | explicit madness |
| 03:10.32 | Motive | great map |
| 03:10.33 | AsaPhelps | shadowtd is good for single player |
| 03:10.34 | TheLaughingMan | 1) Returns a bool |
| 03:10.44 | TheLaughingMan | 2) Takes there following 2 parameters |
| 03:10.51 | TheLaughingMan | bool testConds, bool runActions |
| 03:11.36 | TheLaughingMan | When your trying to run the trigger it runs the function with the parameters, and if it doesn't have it then it can't find it |
| 03:12.17 | Motive | Yup, there you go |
| 03:12.26 | Vailreth | doogeyb ever one one |
| 03:12.27 | Motive | missing bool testConds, bool runActions |
| 03:12.36 | Skizot | i don't yell... i EMPHASIZE |
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| 03:12.39 | Vailreth | i mean goodbye ... |
| 03:12.41 | Motive | I'm sorry I should've been more clear. |
| 03:12.41 | Skizot | as irc lacks italics. |
| 03:12.44 | TheLaughingMan | You can have multiple functions with the same names and different parameters |
| 03:12.51 | Motive | not in galaxy |
| 03:12.58 | TheLaughingMan | Yes you can |
| 03:13.01 | Motive | You can? o_O |
| 03:13.07 | Motive | News to me. Lol |
| 03:13.18 | Linera | omfg |
| 03:13.21 | TheLaughingMan | You can have a function that is gf_blarg(int) |
| 03:13.21 | Motive | Anyways, I got mixed up. Everything's called a function in Galaxy but in GUI a function and a trigger are two different things. |
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| 03:13.27 | TheLaughingMan | and gf_blarg(unit) |
| 03:13.29 | Linera | and no one said anything :( |
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| 03:13.39 | TheLaughingMan | and if you call it with a unit or an int it runs the respective ones |
| 03:13.46 | Motive | I'm gonna test that now, LaughingMan. :P |
| 03:13.52 | rrowland | lol programming 102 |
| 03:13.55 | Linera | now it works :0 |
| 03:14.07 | Motive | Lol rrowland. I knew you could do that. Just not in Galaxy. |
| 03:14.13 | AsaPhelps | And you thought blizzard hated you |
| 03:14.16 | TheLaughingMan | Well Galaxy is C/C++ |
| 03:14.29 | Motive | Stripped away, removed of all awesome features. :( |
| 03:14.44 | TheLaughingMan | Well they have to make it safe |
| 03:14.45 | Motive | Well, GUI won't even let me create two functions of the same name |
| 03:14.47 | Motive | gonna try in script now. |
| 03:14.55 | TheLaughingMan | Well the GUI is GUI |
| 03:15.04 | Tehwildcard | Look what I found in textures >.> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4155997/sc2/wtf2.PNG |
| 03:15.06 | rrowland | Pointers I understand |
| 03:15.09 | rrowland | But bulk copy? |
| 03:15.20 | rrowland | Well, actually |
| 03:15.25 | rrowland | Pointers should stick anyway |
| 03:15.26 | Motive | yeah it doesn't work |
| 03:15.28 | Motive | sorry laughingman. |
| 03:15.35 | Motive | void omgtest(unit a) |
| 03:15.35 | Motive | { |
| 03:15.35 | Motive | } |
| 03:15.36 | Motive | void omgtest(int abc) |
| 03:15.36 | Motive | { |
| 03:15.36 | Motive | } |
| 03:15.37 | Motive | compile errors |
| 03:15.40 | Motive | Function already defined |
| 03:15.41 | Furyhunter | viking's wife Tehwildcard! |
| 03:15.44 | TheLaughingMan | oh damn |
| 03:15.51 | TheLaughingMan | they removed that feature to! |
| 03:15.59 | rrowland | Looks like blizzard needs to take programming 101 |
| 03:16.19 | TheLaughingMan | Still want to figure out how to use custom events |
| 03:16.26 | Furyhunter | well to be fair that was a C++ thing |
| 03:16.27 | Tehwildcard | Isnt the viking a chick |
| 03:16.31 | Furyhunter | and this is based loosely on C |
| 03:16.33 | Furyhunter | yes |
| 03:16.34 | Furyhunter | maybe |
| 03:16.38 | Furyhunter | no? |
| 03:16.47 | Motive | @TLM: they don't work in GUI |
| 03:16.50 | Motive | blizzard fudged up big time |
| 03:17.01 | Motive | the first implicit parameter of trigger is hidden in some places and not in others, and it's just a giant mess. |
| 03:17.20 | Motive | and you have to be responsible for holding your own array of triggers for the callbacks, so it's just messy all around. |
| 03:17.26 | Tehwildcard | Fury, they have a lot of random things added |
| 03:17.26 | poiuy_qwert | have you guys seen the Andromeda language? |
| 03:17.28 | Tehwildcard | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4155997/sc2/wtf3.PNG |
| 03:17.30 | davidcramer | zomg dota |
| 03:17.31 | davidcramer | http://sc2.nibbits.com/maps/project/74896/defence-of-the-ancients |
| 03:17.33 | Tehwildcard | thats on a tower |
| 03:17.33 | davidcramer | already!? |
| 03:17.37 | Furyhunter | HAHAHAHAHA |
| 03:17.47 | Motive | oh god |
| 03:17.49 | Motive | whyyyy |
| 03:18.11 | Motive | Well it looks like a clone at least. |
| 03:18.13 | Motive | It won't be as well done. |
| 03:18.24 | rrowland | Too bad they don't know how to spell defense |
| 03:18.26 | Motive | I mean, he misspelled Defense. |
| 03:18.26 | Motive | Yeah |
| 03:18.28 | Motive | nice catch :D |
| 03:18.32 | Furyhunter | yeah |
| 03:18.34 | Furyhunter | first thing I saw |
| 03:18.39 | rrowland | I bet people who don't know how to spell make great maps |
| 03:18.41 | davidcramer | it depends on where you're from |
| 03:18.46 | Motive | I stopped making that mistake at like 10 |
| 03:18.47 | davidcramer | defence is English |
| 03:18.55 | davidcramer | (literally, English) |
| 03:19.00 | rrowland | You mean British |
| 03:19.03 | rrowland | English is a language |
| 03:19.08 | Motive | British English you mean.* |
| 03:19.13 | davidcramer | rrowland: British is the dialect :P |
| 03:19.17 | Furyhunter | I am amazed with ur work in such a primitive editor(since its only a beta editor) |
| 03:19.21 | Furyhunter | > primitive beta |
| 03:19.21 | davidcramer | American English is like secondary English, since it came second :0 |
| 03:19.22 | Furyhunter | > only beta |
| 03:19.25 | poiuy_qwert | some guy is making an extension to Galaxy called Andromeda, it looks really nice so far: http://sc2armory.com/forums/topic/14643 |
| 03:19.28 | Furyhunter | > primitive editor |
| 03:19.30 | Furyhunter | lololololololol |
| 03:19.35 | rrowland | British english is wasteful |
| 03:19.44 | rrowland | Throwing in unnecessary Us everywhere |
| 03:19.49 | Motive | yeah, poiquy, it's really nice. :) |
| 03:19.55 | rrowland | Colour? pshhh 5 letters bro, color |
| 03:19.55 | davidcramer | rrowland: I agree, but still :) |
| 03:19.56 | Motive | I love british english. |
| 03:19.58 | TheLaughingMan | Tehwildcard, that is in the background of the viking portrait |
| 03:20.03 | Motive | It gets me around reserved words like color in Galaxy. |
| 03:20.06 | Motive | I just spell it "colour" |
| 03:20.06 | davidcramer | poiuy_qwert: ya hes a really good wc3 mapper |
| 03:20.07 | Motive | fuck yeah! |
| 03:20.17 | poiuy_qwert | i see |
| 03:20.33 | AsaPhelps | default_reflection.dds |
| 03:21.58 | AsaPhelps | so will editor/map testing be available after may 31? |
| 03:22.10 | davidcramer | AsaPhelps: editor will be |
| 03:22.11 | davidcramer | so yes |
| 03:22.20 | davidcramer | hopefully mac editor is out before may 31st :( |
| 03:22.40 | Zoxc | poiuy_qwert: thinks for the link to the link |
| 03:22.43 | Motive | hopefully :( |
| 03:22.46 | Motive | fuckin' windows |
| 03:22.51 | Motive | killing my poor mac on parallels |
| 03:23.16 | Tehwildcard | >.> for one the singleplayer missions/cinematics you're going to be in the viking cockpit, now the photo makes sense |
| 03:23.17 | xttocs | Zoxc: =P |
| 03:24.04 | Ignorance | that's crazy |
| 03:24.34 | AsaPhelps | Is that a bird in the corner of that viking pic? |
| 03:25.00 | rrowland | The map isn't localized |
| 03:25.03 | rrowland | That's pro status |
| 03:25.21 | poiuy_qwert | Zoxc: yeah sorry i pasted the wrong link :P |
| 03:25.27 | davidcramer | Motive: trying vmware fusion? |
| 03:25.30 | davidcramer | *tried |
| 03:25.37 | Motive | yeah. it's not that parallels is bad or anything |
| 03:25.46 | Motive | it's just very very annoying and I have to give it 2.5 GB of my RAM |
| 03:25.51 | Motive | and it can only use 256 MB of my VRAM |
| 03:26.24 | davidcramer | ah |
| 03:26.34 | davidcramer | i think i only have 256mb of vram |
| 03:26.51 | Motive | I've got 512 so that's the difference between low and medium for me. |
| 03:26.53 | davidcramer | ya |
| 03:27.05 | Motive | I can even pull off high on OS X |
| 03:27.20 | davidcramer | how much actual memory? |
| 03:27.29 | Motive | I have no idea how much SC2 actually uses. |
| 03:27.36 | Motive | I never bothered checking. |
| 03:27.51 | davidcramer | no i mean, how much in your machine? |
| 03:27.52 | davidcramer | 4gb? |
| 03:27.55 | Motive | ah 4GB yeah |
| 03:27.58 | davidcramer | gotcha |
| 03:28.05 | Motive | mid '09 macbook pro |
| 03:28.07 | davidcramer | friend just upped to 8gb and can now run it on high/ultra i guess |
| 03:28.12 | davidcramer | ya i have a new mbp with 8gb |
| 03:28.15 | Motive | Nice. |
| 03:28.16 | davidcramer | but just the 256mb nvidia |
| 03:28.21 | Motive | I wish I could get this one upgraded. :P |
| 03:28.26 | davidcramer | but thats the work machine |
| 03:28.27 | Motive | A nice core i7 would be so fun. |
| 03:28.40 | davidcramer | my desktop pc handles it fine so im content |
| 03:28.45 | davidcramer | i just want to be able to do the stuff at work :P |
| 03:28.53 | Motive | If I can come up with the money I'll definitely buy another 17" mbp |
| 03:29.09 | davidcramer | i wish i could get a 13" with same specs |
| 03:29.42 | Motive | Apple's just so damn expensive. :( |
| 03:30.07 | nuknfuts | you need a good CPU as much as a good GPU |
| 03:30.08 | davidcramer | this is true |
| 03:30.14 | nuknfuts | lots of physics effects in game etc. |
| 03:30.15 | davidcramer | i have a high end core 2 duo |
| 03:30.19 | davidcramer | in desktop |
| 03:30.22 | davidcramer | (i think the best?) |
| 03:30.26 | davidcramer | and it runs it like a champ |
| 03:30.29 | Motive | not anymore. |
| 03:30.32 | Motive | core i7s kicked our ass. |
| 03:30.34 | nuknfuts | i have an m11x... |
| 03:30.35 | davidcramer | i mean the best core 2 duo |
| 03:30.37 | Motive | Ah |
| 03:30.38 | nuknfuts | the GT335M is a great GPU |
| 03:30.42 | davidcramer | bought it about a year ago |
| 03:30.43 | Motive | yeah I got the best core2 as well in the macbook |
| 03:30.47 | Motive | lemme see... |
| 03:30.50 | nuknfuts | but the 1.73 GHz Core 2 duo isnt cutting it on high settings for CPU effects |
| 03:31.04 | Zoxc | poiuy_qwert: oh and old news =P |
| 03:31.05 | davidcramer | you cant beat my beastly 13" mb |
| 03:31.07 | nuknfuts | however... desktop 2.13 GHz Core 2 Duo... and ATI 4850 = all settings ULtra, no lag despite having 500+ units on screen |
| 03:31.13 | Motive | 2.8 Ghz was the best thing for the macbook I think. |
| 03:31.16 | Motive | C2D |
| 03:31.17 | davidcramer | fuck whats that command |
| 03:31.23 | nuknfuts | i hvaent tried it on myd esktop yet lol... |
| 03:31.30 | nuknfuts | quad extreme + 4870x2... already old news |
| 03:31.32 | nuknfuts | but on a 30" ^^ |
| 03:31.34 | davidcramer | System Info: Model: MacBook (Core 2 Duo) "David-Cramers-MacBook". CPU: Dual Core i486 (unknown) @ 2.2 GHz. RAM: 2.0GB. OS X Version: 10.6.3 Boot Disk Size: 119808MB ( 117GB ). Used: 98%. Uptime: 11 days 5:48. User: 'dcramer'. Time: 8:31PM. Time zone: GMT -7. Load Averages (1min/5min/15min): { 0.50 0.56 0.72 }. Network Traffic: Hardware: 61 MB in, 19 MB out; Hardware: 36516 MB in, 45684 MB out.R |
| 03:31.34 | davidcramer | on: Charger. Client: Colloquy 2.3 |
| 03:31.36 | davidcramer | oh there it is |
| 03:31.37 | davidcramer | haha |
| 03:31.46 | davidcramer | i bet this wouldnt even runs c2 |
| 03:31.49 | Motive | Colloquy! :D |
| 03:31.56 | Motive | nah it probably could |
| 03:32.01 | davidcramer | no worries |
| 03:32.06 | davidcramer | i wouldnt play it on here |
| 03:32.06 | nuknfuts | too bad the game doesn't have a larger field of view iwth more resolution... |
| 03:32.15 | Jerub | if it's got an ati or nvidia card it will run it fine |
| 03:32.16 | davidcramer | nuknfuts: that'd make it imba tho |
| 03:32.19 | nuknfuts | i want to utilize the full 2560x1600 experience~ |
| 03:32.21 | Motive | I'm pretty sure it does, nuknfuts |
| 03:32.21 | nuknfuts | yah of course |
| 03:32.23 | davidcramer | Jerub: nah its an old 13" its got onboard |
| 03:32.25 | Jerub | it's faster than the pc i put together for the purpose of playing sc2. |
| 03:32.36 | Motive | or at least widescreens do get a wider field of view |
| 03:32.45 | nuknfuts | nah Motive... 1366 x 768 and 1680 x 1050 didn't show much difference |
| 03:32.51 | nuknfuts | well yeah both arew idescreen |
| 03:32.51 | Motive | I remember reading all these whiners posting about that |
| 03:33.11 | nuknfuts | i dont have any 4:3 monitors laying around or i'd test it out myself.. |
| 03:33.13 | davidcramer | wasnt that just widescreen vs non |
| 03:33.36 | Motive | I think widescreen has become the normal screen |
| 03:33.37 | Motive | xD |
| 03:34.03 | nuknfuts | exactly! |
| 03:34.41 | Motive | Whoa. Is SC2 still isometric? |
| 03:34.55 | Motive | Oh nevermind |
| 03:34.56 | Motive | wa |
| 03:35.00 | Motive | was using the diamond tool. Haha |
| 03:35.01 | Alpha_vst | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FRdAc0LEE5A&feature=player_embedded#! |
| 03:35.05 | rrowland | I have 2 monitors |
| 03:35.07 | Motive | Oh man this is what I get for using terrain editor late. |
| 03:35.11 | rrowland | 1 is wide 1 is 4:3 :P |
| 03:35.20 | Motive | I have my 17" macbook monitor and a 24" dell hooked up together. |
| 03:35.28 | Motive | using the del for windows, and Macbook for Mac |
| 03:35.30 | Motive | works nicely. |
| 03:35.35 | rrowland | I use my 4:3 to keep mIRC maximized and AIM up lol |
| 03:35.40 | FrozenFirebat | so when using test document on a Mod, how do you set it up on the preferences to run it through a map? |
| 03:35.46 | nuknfuts | 30" dell 2560x1600 with a 20" dell 1200 x 1600 (portrait mode) on my main |
| 03:35.53 | nuknfuts | thank god its water cooled too, or i wouldnt even use it during the summer |
| 03:35.59 | nuknfuts | it made my room 10 degrees hotter during the winter though! |
| 03:36.07 | Motive | I know, it's so great |
| 03:36.09 | Motive | :D |
| 03:36.22 | rrowland | My computer's gonna die this summer, I know it |
| 03:36.38 | nuknfuts | good excuse to get new hardware~ |
| 03:36.40 | rrowland | Being in so cal with limited AC sucks for computers |
| 03:36.50 | nuknfuts | yeah socal here also |
| 03:37.01 | nuknfuts | the ATI 58xx series runs pretty damn cool for the performance though.. |
| 03:37.16 | nuknfuts | after seeing my friends 5870 < 70C at load i was sold... no more 90C+ cards for me |
| 03:38.09 | rrowland | Wow I don't think any of my cards have ever gotten that hot |
| 03:38.18 | Motive | Ok, I don't get this. |
| 03:38.19 | Motive | H |
| 03:38.22 | rrowland | Most of my cards bluescreened at 80 lol |
| 03:38.27 | nuknfuts | lol |
| 03:38.28 | Lyrrad | Alpha - wtf is up with that "protoss" strategy, its gotta be a joke |
| 03:38.29 | Motive | How can the SQUARE tool create a not-square cliff after one click? |
| 03:38.39 | nuknfuts | i ran my 4870X2 without a water cooler for a few weeks... easily 90C during the summer |
| 03:38.39 | Motive | Especially if the square is huge and the rest of the terrain is blank |
| 03:38.52 | Jerub | heh, workmate is in copper league, and was saying he's had a lot of wins lately. |
| 03:39.05 | Jerub | "You voidray rush don't you" ".... yes" "Tee hee" |
| 03:39.10 | Skizot | NUBS |
| 03:39.18 | heysparky | Who's 3rd in plat? Moongoat? |
| 03:40.59 | Motive | psh |
| 03:41.00 | Motive | melee |
| 03:41.06 | heysparky | lol |
| 03:41.08 | Motive | who does that? :P |
| 03:41.43 | nuknfuts | 1v1 melee bored me out already |
| 03:41.50 | nuknfuts | i know im going to play just to get the icons at release... and thats about it |
| 03:42.05 | AsaPhelps | Void Rays |
| 03:42.11 | AsaPhelps | ruined my melee experience |
| 03:42.12 | rrowland | I was top 10 plat before GE came out =/ |
| 03:42.19 | nuknfuts | at least 2's are more dynamic and you can actually get past mid-game |
| 03:42.35 | rrowland | The game is balanced around 1v1 |
| 03:42.44 | rrowland | So undoubtedly 2v2 is imbalanced |
| 03:42.48 | nuknfuts | it is, but 90% of my plat matches were some form of cheese |
| 03:42.53 | nuknfuts | and it got tiring |
| 03:43.03 | rrowland | I play with another top plat player in 2v2 |
| 03:43.06 | nuknfuts | esp. playing protoss, where everyone has some kind of trick against them |
| 03:43.10 | rrowland | And.. well the competition isn't very flattering |
| 03:43.16 | AsaPhelps | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wry6Vu8oWqo&feature=related if you watch all those parts, thats what I wish melee was everytime, crazy fun |
| 03:43.18 | nuknfuts | yeah |
| 03:43.21 | rrowland | We both play random and win 90% of games |
| 03:43.33 | nuknfuts | 2's are definitely still not balanced... |
| 03:43.38 | nuknfuts | i still cant think of a way as dual toss to beat dual T |
| 03:43.40 | nuknfuts | if the game gets to mid game |
| 03:43.42 | rrowland | I've played like 1k games as zerg, maybe 30-40 of terran and protoss |
| 03:43.43 | nuknfuts | err past it |
| 03:43.56 | Alpha_vst | geez |
| 03:44.22 | heysparky | can you not see general rankings? wth? |
| 03:44.53 | heysparky | from the beta client |
| 03:44.53 | nuknfuts | thats one match up i cant ever seem to figure out how to beat assuming evenly skilled players |
| 03:44.53 | AsaPhelps | I like zerg |
| 03:44.53 | AsaPhelps | but if they get air before you get tier 2 you die |
| 03:44.53 | nuknfuts | in fact we outplayed the other guys twice and still lost just cause of the terran unit combo |
| 03:44.58 | rrowland | That's why you go tier 2 |
| 03:45.05 | rrowland | Or get a lot of queens |
| 03:45.12 | nuknfuts | its true for P a lot too... Stalkers and Sentries too late = gg |
| 03:45.14 | AsaPhelps | then what if they cheese maruders and marines |
| 03:45.20 | rrowland | Sounds funny, but lots of queens works |
| 03:45.23 | nuknfuts | scout :P |
| 03:45.32 | AsaPhelps | yeah but you can get stalkers a lot sooner than hydras can't you? |
| 03:45.35 | nuknfuts | sac zerglings at the door |
| 03:45.42 | nuknfuts | of course, but Protoss is almost always one tihng or the other |
| 03:45.48 | nuknfuts | they have the worst flexibility of any race |
| 03:45.55 | nuknfuts | if you go down the wrong path, its gg most of the time |
| 03:45.58 | AsaPhelps | I remember one guy built cannons in my base as zerg |
| 03:46.03 | rrowland | Stalkers are 1.5 |
| 03:46.03 | AsaPhelps | because I was so pro I let him |
| 03:46.10 | AsaPhelps | so I raped his base with lings and was he like gg |
| 03:46.17 | nuknfuts | i like when guys cannon rush lol |
| 03:46.23 | rrowland | Zerg has no t1 AA, but if you consider queens it's not so bad |
| 03:46.24 | nuknfuts | some guy walls in my ramp as T |
| 03:46.27 | nuknfuts | i send 2 reapers around the cliff gg |
| 03:46.30 | rrowland | Queens actually do a lot of damage vs air |
| 03:46.32 | nuknfuts | yah |
| 03:46.38 | nuknfuts | dual Queens transfusing each other |
| 03:46.39 | AsaPhelps | can't a single void ray kill a queen though |
| 03:46.43 | nuknfuts | the only time its unsafe is if they use Phoenix |
| 03:46.54 | rrowland | Void ray is like 300/200, a queen is 150/0 |
| 03:46.55 | AsaPhelps | if roaches could attack it then it'd b fine |
| 03:46.59 | rrowland | So yeah a void ray can kill a queen |
| 03:46.59 | nuknfuts | yeah, but 2 void rays will lose to 2 queens if they have enough energy for transfusion |
| 03:47.09 | rrowland | Or 200/150 or something |
| 03:47.11 | nuknfuts | and assuming the void ryas arent charged already |
| 03:47.13 | rrowland | It's more than a queen anyway |
| 03:47.14 | nuknfuts | 250/150 |
| 03:47.21 | nuknfuts | yeah its a pretty ridiculous cost |
| 03:47.29 | nuknfuts | if you lose 4 void rays you're out 1k minerals + a ton of gas |
| 03:47.33 | rrowland | Plus if you're not cheesing |
| 03:47.42 | rrowland | You should have lair by the time a VR gets there |
| 03:47.45 | rrowland | And be ready to throw down a den |
| 03:47.48 | AsaPhelps | why don't people attack creep tumors, do they go invisible or something after they spread once? |
| 03:47.52 | rrowland | hydra den |
| 03:47.54 | nuknfuts | yeah they go invisible |
| 03:48.00 | rrowland | Now that roaches are nerfed so bad |
| 03:48.06 | rrowland | I'd assume hydras are fast teched |
| 03:48.14 | rrowland | So you should already have them anyway |
| 03:48.15 | nuknfuts | or just as a good practice, get an evo chamber and put up a spore colony or two |
| 03:48.20 | AsaPhelps | I wonder if they'd ever let burrowed units pass under buildings |
| 03:48.24 | nuknfuts | since you should be upgrading your units anyways |
| 03:48.28 | AsaPhelps | moving burrowed that is |
| 03:48.41 | nuknfuts | dont think so.... that'd be way cheesy |
| 03:48.42 | Alpha_vst | you can turn it off |
| 03:48.44 | nuknfuts | plus people would hide units under buildings :P |
| 03:48.45 | Bemoliph | They technically borrow, rather than actually become invisible |
| 03:48.50 | Bemoliph | Creep Tumors, that is |
| 03:49.01 | nuknfuts | yah... |
| 03:49.06 | nuknfuts | although the GE says its one and the same! |
| 03:49.11 | Bemoliph | Oh? |
| 03:49.20 | AsaPhelps | I like in 2v2 if I die I just spend the rest of the game seeing how far I can spread my creep |
| 03:49.23 | nuknfuts | you can bury units but you still have to flag em invisible |
| 03:49.30 | Bemoliph | o.O |
| 03:50.02 | AsaPhelps | I miss reavers |
| 03:50.22 | lapin_sc | AsaPhelps yes and no |
| 03:50.33 | nuknfuts | i like Colossus a bit more~ |
| 03:50.37 | lapin_sc | dont you hate whent hat freaking canon ball would take forever to NOT GO ANYWHERE |
| 03:50.43 | lapin_sc | that* |
| 03:50.44 | AsaPhelps | yes |
| 03:50.49 | nuknfuts | nothign like 2v2s where multiple colossus have 30+ kills |
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| 03:51.31 | AsaPhelps | so why are ultras so lackluster compared to colossus and thor |
| 03:51.42 | Jerub | AsaPhelps: they're a rockpaperscissors thing. |
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| 03:52.01 | nuknfuts | that and they're melee |
| 03:52.05 | Alpha_vst_ | how do i stop auto turrets from being built on top of a unit |
| 03:52.05 | Jerub | AsaPhelps: they're expensive and bloody excellent against certain units, useless against others |
| 03:52.08 | nuknfuts | you can line up 5 colossus behind a wall of units |
| 03:52.13 | AsaPhelps | useless against all air |
| 03:52.14 | nuknfuts | and they can hit anything |
| 03:52.19 | Lyrrad | melee and big so they can't get to anything to hit it |
| 03:52.25 | nuknfuts | ultralisks can only hit melee |
| 03:52.41 | nuknfuts | Thors really shine in 2v2s too |
| 03:52.47 | nuknfuts | cause you can have another plaayer create a wall for you |
| 03:52.49 | Skizot | Motive |
| 03:52.52 | Skizot | you around? |
| 03:52.53 | nuknfuts | then Thors can no longer be focus fired down so easily |
| 03:53.00 | AsaPhelps | they should make an upgrade for ultras to carry spine crawlers on their back |
| 03:53.03 | nuknfuts | plus they have insane AA range |
| 03:53.18 | Motive | yes |
| 03:53.21 | nuknfuts | i wish Blizz would just teach us how to attach units to each other... |
| 03:53.24 | Motive | lagging sec |
| 03:53.26 | nuknfuts | w/o triggers |
| 03:53.32 | AsaPhelps | did you see the tutorial nukn? |
| 03:53.37 | AsaPhelps | its like 10 pages long but you can do it |
| 03:53.39 | nuknfuts | the uberlisk one? |
| 03:53.44 | AsaPhelps | yes |
| 03:53.49 | nuknfuts | yeah ive done it |
| 03:53.53 | nuknfuts | it works, but its incredibly complicated |
| 03:54.19 | nuknfuts | my big dilemma recently was attaching a marine to ride the head of an Ultralisk |
| 03:54.29 | AsaPhelps | that sounds entetaining |
| 03:54.34 | nuknfuts | the marine does the Marine attack animation... but how to attach the gauss rifle firing from the muzzle at the marine and not the ultralisk |
| 03:54.41 | Motive | Lagging a ton. Shutting down windows for you, Skizot. :P |
| 03:54.49 | Skizot | : |
| 03:54.53 | Skizot | shhh |
| 03:54.57 | nuknfuts | i managed to bug the ultralisk unit tho... added a unit actor to attach to the Ultralisk... |
| 03:55.07 | nuknfuts | you cant select the Ultra anymore, but the Ultra stillr etains its HP/attacks etc. |
| 03:55.12 | nuknfuts | and the Marine is the portrait and wireframe.. |
| 03:57.07 | AsaPhelps | did you just attach an actor? |
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| 03:57.42 | Alpha_vst_ | fixing minor bugs woot |
| 03:57.54 | Furyhunter | so is the next patch on the patch servers yet |
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| 03:58.49 | xttocs | Skizot |
| 03:58.51 | xttocs | Wakey wakey |
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| 03:59.42 | nuknfuts | AsaPhelps actually i just copied a unit actor, and made it based on model attachment |
| 04:00.00 | nuknfuts | gave it an SOpAttach target and event to create when the unit i want to attach to takes over |
| 04:00.24 | Alpha_vst_ | fuck man |
| 04:00.24 | Ignorance | Hey guys, does anyone here know anything about arithmetic (integer)? |
| 04:00.24 | nuknfuts | 1 + 1 = 2? |
| 04:00.27 | Ignorance | I want to know about division. |
| 04:00.28 | nuknfuts | ask away |
| 04:00.28 | xttocs | d1/dx = 0 |
| 04:00.30 | Ignorance | would it be |
| 04:00.44 | Ignorance | 7 / 4 = 1 or 7 / 4 = 2 |
| 04:00.56 | Ignorance | It's super important. I want to get the first one, without any remainder. |
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| 04:01.05 | xttocs | Why don't you just test it? |
| 04:01.13 | Skizot | what? |
| 04:01.15 | Ignorance | Well, fine. |
| 04:01.18 | xttocs | Skizot |
| 04:01.23 | Skizot | what? |
| 04:01.26 | xttocs | Let's start a map project together. |
| 04:01.28 | nuknfuts | its always rounded down |
| 04:01.33 | Skizot | what kind? |
| 04:01.36 | nuknfuts | 450/500 = 0 |
| 04:01.38 | xttocs | Something badass that people will play |
| 04:01.40 | nuknfuts | for instance |
| 04:01.49 | nuknfuts | 499/500 = 0 |
| 04:01.53 | Skizot | well that's what TERRAN CONFLICT is. |
| 04:01.56 | xttocs | heh |
| 04:02.00 | xttocs | but that's your solo project |
| 04:02.00 | Ignorance | It's always rounded down? |
| 04:02.01 | nuknfuts | just imagine everything after the decimal point doesnt matter Ignorance |
| 04:02.01 | Ignorance | Thanks. |
| 04:02.09 | Ignorance | I was worried. |
| 04:02.13 | nuknfuts | yep |
| 04:02.17 | Ignorance | I would've been like...better round down. |
| 04:02.25 | Ignorance | cause I need the other half of modulo :O |
| 04:02.35 | Ignorance | which is division |
| 04:02.49 | xttocs | What? |
| 04:02.56 | Alpha_vst | my unit has a 6x6 foot print but when i place a auto turret over it the footprint is only a 2x2... |
| 04:02.59 | Alpha_vst | how do i fix that? |
| 04:03.14 | AsaPhelps | so how does shooting eggs hurt the queen |
| 04:03.17 | Ignorance | Suits in a card deck. Imagine 0-3 represents all 2's, 4-7 represents all 3's, etc. |
| 04:03.37 | Ignorance | I use modulo 4 to find the suit, and / 4 to find the card. |
| 04:03.42 | AsaPhelps | are you using a 6x6 contour? |
| 04:03.50 | AsaPhelps | i mean |
| 04:03.53 | AsaPhelps | there's 2 footprints |
| 04:04.00 | nuknfuts | ah |
| 04:04.05 | nuknfuts | yeah that should work no problem |
| 04:04.11 | nuknfuts | i keep a hidden counter of score in the back.. |
| 04:04.21 | nuknfuts | everytime counter/500 >= 1, i do an action |
| 04:04.23 | Alpha_vst | no :P |
| 04:04.28 | Alpha_vst | is that what contour is? |
| 04:04.29 | nuknfuts | so when its 450/500, it wont fire so 450/500 = 0 |
| 04:04.43 | nuknfuts | theres 2 footprints... set both to 6 x6 and see |
| 04:04.46 | nuknfuts | theres a placement one |
| 04:04.59 | heysparky | is there a way to lock terrain? |
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| 04:06.05 | Alpha_vst | no if i add pathing footprint it removes what i had :( |
| 04:06.14 | Alpha_vst | is the foor print messaed up? |
| 04:06.33 | nuknfuts | so pet peeve... but i hate the fact |
| 04:06.37 | nuknfuts | that selection of a unit is based on model |
| 04:06.51 | nuknfuts | if you subermege a unit underwater, you cant click it individually... you have to lasso to select that unit |
| 04:07.36 | Alpha_vst | yeah my footprint was screwed :P |
| 04:07.39 | Alpha_vst | lame |
| 04:07.54 | Motive | ahahaha |
| 04:08.02 | Motive | found out how to kill spotlight indexing |
| 04:08.14 | Motive | there goes lag :D |
| 04:08.23 | Alpha_vst | ? |
| 04:08.27 | Motive | Mac thing. |
| 04:08.28 | Motive | Lol |
| 04:08.33 | Alpha_vst | oh |
| 04:08.53 | Alpha_vst | i thought you where talking about the game indexing spotlight doodads i was like wtf |
| 04:09.40 | Alpha_vst | hmmm so anyone have any ideas on how i should random generate maps? |
| 04:09.58 | Alpha_vst | im using units as walls... |
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| 04:10.26 | Motive | what do you mean by how? |
| 04:10.29 | Motive | what part specifically |
| 04:10.41 | Alpha_vst | how would i go about it :P |
| 04:11.02 | Alpha_vst | programing wise what makes the most sense |
| 04:11.48 | Motive | what kind of map are you trying to generate specifically? |
| 04:11.54 | Motive | like what kind of structure do you want the map to have? |
| 04:12.36 | Alpha_vst | something usable :D |
| 04:12.50 | Motive | Well I mean, melee map, arena, maze, etc |
| 04:13.32 | Alpha_vst | um more like a dungeon map like dnd |
| 04:13.42 | Motive | ok I have no idea :P |
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| 04:14.38 | AsaPhelps | spawn random walls in a region and use some type of pathing to figure out how it looks |
| 04:14.56 | AsaPhelps | like a dummy with move to the end |
| 04:14.58 | AsaPhelps | or something |
| 04:15.12 | Motive | all the pathing in the re trigger editor only checks terrain iirc, so he'd have to write his own somehow. |
| 04:15.19 | Alpha_vst | wouldnt that take forever to load... |
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| 04:16.48 | Motive | LOL |
| 04:17.03 | Motive | I have 50 GB in my trash can just from emptying out my documents, not even including my DVDs or ISOs. |
| 04:17.06 | Motive | jesus christ |
| 04:17.15 | Motive | where the fuck did I get 35,000 files from? |
| 04:17.16 | Alpha_vst | maybe i should sectors like d2 did and randomly spawn them |
| 04:18.34 | Alpha_vst | but i would need a lot and then i would need to spawn them some how :( |
| 04:18.41 | Alpha_vst | gah |
| 04:19.01 | AsaPhelps | porn and lots of it? |
| 04:19.12 | AsaPhelps | well |
| 04:19.16 | AsaPhelps | 50 gb isn't that much |
| 04:19.28 | AsaPhelps | thats only one blu-ray |
| 04:20.03 | Alpha_vst | when i spawn a unit in a zone can i set the absolute position of it in that region? |
| 04:20.31 | nuknfuts | so this is probably a bug but you can't change the unit for the event actor for the range of a units weapon |
| 04:20.34 | nuknfuts | like when you select a siege tank |
| 04:20.58 | Alpha_vst | you can |
| 04:21.04 | Motive | thats the thing though, asaphelps |
| 04:21.06 | Alpha_vst | but you have to edit it in the files |
| 04:21.10 | Motive | I didn't delete video files, ISOs, etc. |
| 04:21.12 | Motive | nothing large. |
| 04:21.26 | Motive | also I found a video message my friend sent me july 6th, 2009. I never saw it before today. |
| 04:21.27 | Motive | bahahaha |
| 04:21.53 | nuknfuts | files? as in the xml? |
| 04:22.11 | Alpha_vst | hmmmm |
| 04:22.18 | nuknfuts | cause that does no good for a multiplayer map |
| 04:22.18 | deathnight114 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGckFZQzDOI |
| 04:22.31 | deathnight114 | finilized version of my song |
| 04:22.34 | deathnight114 | please give opinions |
| 04:23.19 | Motive | Newbknight, I'm not going to lie to you. |
| 04:23.28 | Motive | I clicked on it expecting it to be horrible, and even turned down my volume. |
| 04:23.35 | Motive | But you know, it wasn't horrible. |
| 04:23.38 | Motive | In fact I turned it back up. |
| 04:23.40 | deathnight114 | rofl |
| 04:23.47 | Motive | I'm going to listen to the entire thing. |
| 04:23.56 | deathnight114 | rofl |
| 04:24.04 | deathnight114 | Why do you keep calling me newbknight |
| 04:24.07 | deathnight114 | That's kindof annoying |
| 04:24.09 | deathnight114 | rofl |
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| 04:24.34 | Motive | It's from like 2006 when I was working in WoW emulation. There had been a russian guy who went by deathnight who always broke the code of the emulator, so he was just called newbknight. |
| 04:24.44 | Motive | so, can't break habits. |
| 04:25.14 | deathnight114 | ahhhhhhh |
| 04:25.17 | deathnight114 | I'm a different guy |
| 04:25.18 | deathnight114 | LOL |
| 04:25.21 | Motive | obviously. :P |
| 04:25.53 | pkol | OR ARE YOU? |
| 04:26.00 | Motive | OH SHI- |
| 04:26.17 | Motive | My vote: it's good. |
| 04:26.19 | Motive | would listen again. |
| 04:26.26 | Motive | but I'm not, cause I have itunes. |
| 04:26.52 | Motive | it was a nice change from the usual stuff I listen to though. |
| 04:27.10 | deathnight114 | <(^^,)> |
| 04:27.23 | Motive | oh, FUCK |
| 04:27.27 | Motive | miley cyrus is #1 on iTunes? |
| 04:27.29 | Motive | come on. |
| 04:27.31 | Motive | really? |
| 04:27.37 | pkol | wow |
| 04:27.45 | rrowland | Well, think about who uses itunes |
| 04:27.48 | deathnight114 | motive |
| 04:27.54 | deathnight114 | Can you leave a comment? |
| 04:27.55 | deathnight114 | ^^ |
| 04:28.06 | pkol | disapointed in her, thought she'd be a be bigger whore by now |
| 04:28.17 | Motive | I have a youtube account but it's private lol |
| 04:28.19 | Motive | has RL stuff on it. |
| 04:28.24 | rrowland | People too retarded to steal music |
| 04:28.27 | rrowland | AKA little girls |
| 04:28.32 | Motive | I buy music from iTunes. :/ |
| 04:28.47 | deathnight114 | rofl |
| 04:28.47 | Motive | I'll steal music that's not on it, or if I don't have money. But $0.99/song isn't bad if I have the money. |
| 04:28.49 | deathnight114 | offensive |
| 04:29.07 | nuknfuts | pkol same here! |
| 04:29.09 | deathnight114 | I wonder if i should put my music on ITunes |
| 04:29.11 | deathnight114 | Hmm |
| 04:29.20 | Motive | I also use it to buy the season pass for How I Met Your mother. :P |
| 04:29.33 | Motive | then I upload the episodes to a server I own and all my friends watch it using my account. |
| 04:29.35 | pkol | great show |
| 04:29.35 | Motive | works well. |
| 04:29.37 | Motive | indeed. |
| 04:29.46 | pkol | although |
| 04:29.52 | pkol | it needs more barney these days |
| 04:29.53 | pkol | :p |
| 04:29.57 | Motive | I agree. |
| 04:30.14 | Skizot | anyone here pro with actor messages yet? |
| 04:30.25 | Motive | I know how to use them. |
| 04:30.26 | Motive | not pro though |
| 04:30.27 | Motive | Lol |
| 04:30.29 | Skizot | i lost my animations after sending an actor message and i want them back |
| 04:30.32 | Motive | if it involves animations I'm clueless. |
| 04:30.38 | Motive | woops :( |
| 04:30.46 | probalon | hey does anyone know if I can make my ability created units have a time limit? |
| 04:31.01 | davidcramer | a cooldown? |
| 04:31.11 | probalon | not the same |
| 04:31.11 | pkol | like mules probalon? |
| 04:31.16 | probalon | yessss pkol |
| 04:31.17 | davidcramer | a construction timer? |
| 04:31.18 | probalon | shit |
| 04:31.23 | probalon | I should just check that out |
| 04:31.27 | nuknfuts | yeah you can |
| 04:31.28 | pkol | ya |
| 04:31.30 | nuknfuts | you have to apply the same effect |
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| 04:31.35 | nuknfuts | that they do for MULE/infested terran etc |
| 04:31.46 | probalon | haha slipped by me completely |
| 04:31.47 | probalon | ty |
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| 04:32.02 | pkol | MULE - Timed Life |
| 04:32.06 | pkol | behavior |
| 04:32.21 | Motive | jesus I have 8 new iTunes downloads. |
| 04:32.27 | Motive | getting my money's worth at least. :P |
| 04:32.51 | nuknfuts | can anyone explain what Damage Point in a weapon does? |
| 04:33.03 | nuknfuts | and for that matter... whats Scan/Continuous Scan |
| 04:33.27 | pkol | i havn't done too much |
| 04:33.37 | pkol | but scan is for chosing targets iirc |
| 04:33.41 | Motive | I imagine Scan is one-shot whereas Continuous scan is... well, not. |
| 04:34.31 | nuknfuts | ic.. actually i just noticed they put a definition under scan filters... |
| 04:34.35 | nuknfuts | what the unit automatically targets |
| 04:34.41 | nuknfuts | so i guess continuous just does it continuously? :P |
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| 04:35.04 | pkol | guess so |
| 04:35.16 | pkol | no way to put a unit's 3d model into a dialog is there? |
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| 04:35.45 | Motive | why did I /part? o_O |
| 04:36.18 | pkol | mylie cyrus heard you |
| 04:36.22 | Motive | :( |
| 04:36.26 | Motive | fuckin' miley. |
| 04:37.05 | Motive | Lol ugh. |
| 04:37.12 | Motive | "Eenie Meenie" |
| 04:37.15 | Motive | just had to have justin bieber. |
| 04:37.18 | Motive | fucking bieber. |
| 04:37.26 | Motive | why'd you do it sean? whyyyy? :( |
| 04:37.42 | pkol | that girl is annoying |
| 04:37.51 | nuknfuts | puberty is going to hit him hard |
| 04:38.01 | pkol | her* |
| 04:38.06 | Motive | haha |
| 04:38.21 | Motive | puberty = he can't sing anymore imo |
| 04:38.25 | Motive | at least not the songs he has been at least. |
| 04:39.00 | nuknfuts | see its okay for 30 year old women to go crazy over an underaged boy but if it were reversed, someone would call the cops |
| 04:39.16 | pkol | fucking feminisrs |
| 04:39.20 | pkol | feminists |
| 04:39.29 | pkol | they've screwed up the world |
| 04:39.33 | Alpha_vst | woot i got diffrent map sizes to work :D |
| 04:39.44 | Motive | I'd be upset over the blatant hypocrisy if I actaully wanted to go insane over a young underaged girl. |
| 04:39.47 | Motive | But it's just fucking sick so I'm not. |
| 04:39.48 | probalon | there are some pretty fucked up guys out there too though |
| 04:39.48 | Motive | Lol |
| 04:39.48 | Alpha_vst | not that it was hard |
| 04:43.06 | nuknfuts | yay re-did my uberlisk~ got all teh crawlers to work |
| 04:43.12 | nuknfuts | now to figure out how to make this actually work for other things |
| 04:48.04 | Linera | anyone know of a way to get a unique id or something like that that applies to a trigger? |
| 04:48.25 | Linera | i.e. i create a trigger and get an id of said trigger |
| 04:49.41 | rrowland | I wish I could make my variables local to a specific folder |
| 04:49.47 | rrowland | So I don't have to make them all into libraries |
| 04:49.56 | rrowland | So that my variable list isn't 50 variables long |
| 04:52.27 | Linera | guess no one knows |
| 04:53.07 | nuknfuts | alright so does anyone know what Damage Point is? |
| 04:55.29 | rrowland | Maybe the point of the damage effect |
| 04:55.35 | rrowland | Like if it's an AoE it would be the center? |
| 04:56.11 | rrowland | I think Damage Source is the unit that dealt the damage |
| 04:56.21 | pkol | oh wow you can anchor dialog items to other dialog items |
| 04:56.25 | pkol | shit that would have saved me time |
| 04:56.27 | pkol | sigh |
| 04:56.30 | rrowland | lol |
| 04:56.52 | Furyhunter | bustin jeiber |
| 05:02.58 | probalon | crap lol I just bugged out my map |
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| 05:04.30 | probalon | could anyone walk me through giving created units a set lifetime(a la MULE)? |
| 05:09.19 | pkol | duplicate the mule effect |
| 05:09.29 | pkol | change the duration to what you want it to be |
| 05:09.38 | pkol | add the behavior to your unit |
| 05:11.39 | Skizot | one of you figure out how to restart animations on a unit via send actor message. |
| 05:11.40 | Skizot | GO |
| 05:15.33 | probalon | got it. here goes |
| 05:16.19 | probalon | (@ pkol lol) I know nothing about actors other than duping them and clicky to unit |
| 05:16.24 | probalon | :B |
| 05:18.06 | Motive | I like the idea of actors. |
| 05:18.14 | Motive | Simplifies work when managing doodads/units/effects/etc |
| 05:18.25 | Motive | don't like how they were done in the data editor but still |
| 05:19.15 | pkol | i think once either a better data editor interface comes out or actors are more fully documented, they'll be alot more accesable to all mappers |
| 05:19.22 | pkol | right now alot of people are scared of them |
| 05:19.32 | Motive | the main problem I have is that actors bind to units rather than units bind to actors |
| 05:19.33 | Motive | makes no sense to me. |
| 05:19.47 | Motive | also creates unnecessary work with making more actors that don't necessarily do anything new. |
| 05:20.02 | Motive | or you can edit the default ones to add new units on, but that still edits the default set of units. |
| 05:20.19 | Motive | default set of actors* |
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| 05:27.39 | Repo | New map: http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/space-td-dev/. Space TD (for Dev). Ulab (Manager/Author). Experimental. Approved by sixen. |
| 05:28.25 | Sixen | Motive |
| 05:28.32 | Motive | sixen |
| 05:28.41 | Sixen | I wanted to tell you, your Mac patcher is going to come in even handier when Beta goes down. |
| 05:28.43 | Sixen | So, I love you. |
| 05:28.52 | Motive | Haha. <3 |
| 05:28.56 | Sixen | <333 |
| 05:29.04 | Sixen | K, brb again. My girlfriend needs me to watch TV, -_- |
| 05:29.05 | pkol | going to miss beta |
| 05:29.07 | pkol | *sniff |
| 05:29.10 | Motive | Haha. :P |
| 05:29.13 | Motive | k |
| 05:29.13 | Sixen | We can have a funeral for it, pkol. |
| 05:29.20 | pkol | yay |
| 05:29.22 | Sixen | ;) |
| 05:29.23 | nuknfuts | any idea how long they plan on being gone? |
| 05:29.34 | Motive | well now I have a timeline to build my new bullet/movement/weapon system |
| 05:29.38 | Motive | it's gonna be fucking kickass when I'm done :P |
| 05:30.02 | pkol | but will it work on b.net without horrific lag? :( |
| 05:30.05 | Motive | yes |
| 05:30.10 | Motive | initial testing shows lag isn't that big of a problem. |
| 05:30.39 | Motive | supports weapon swapping, accurate bullets, fairly nice camera movement, and maybe jumping up cliffs. |
| 05:31.13 | Sixen | nuknfuts, only a few weeks. |
| 05:31.18 | Motive | you get to reload your weapon, you can specify how many shots in a clip, etc. |
| 05:31.22 | nuknfuts | cool |
| 05:31.26 | Motive | all handled interally and you can build your UI and stuff around it. |
| 05:31.33 | Motive | http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/9394/screenshot019re.jpg |
| 05:31.42 | Motive | I made the UI a bit better recently. Lol |
| 05:31.45 | Motive | But that's just a test anyways |
| 05:32.22 | probalon | pklol temp units successful, ty |
| 05:33.06 | Alpha_vst | lol |
| 05:33.07 | rrowland | Ungh, anybody know why seemingly random skills that I have added to my hero learn would initially start at level 1? |
| 05:33.19 | rrowland | Unlike the rest which start at 0 and need to be trained |
| 05:33.36 | Alpha_vst | you giving them req? |
| 05:33.39 | rrowland | And they're all basically copy+pastes of eachother with small changes like name |
| 05:33.42 | rrowland | Yeah |
| 05:34.03 | rrowland | Everything looks to be set up right, and there's really no difference between the set ups that I can see |
| 05:34.11 | rrowland | With the ones that do and don't work |
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| 05:35.02 | Odonen | so, anyone know how to set a duration on a unit? |
| 05:35.09 | Odonen | similar to the point defense drone? |
| 05:35.26 | Alpha_vst | did you look at the drone? |
| 05:35.32 | Odonen | aye |
| 05:35.45 | nuknfuts | timed life effect |
| 05:35.52 | pkol | ask probalon, he just did the same thing |
| 05:36.05 | nuknfuts | the unit must be spawned w/ the effect |
| 05:36.14 | Motive | oh god stuck listening to 90s music. |
| 05:36.30 | Motive | I cant stop lolol |
| 05:36.35 | probalon | wait what |
| 05:36.35 | Odonen | hmm, I see what you are talking about now, Nuk, thanks |
| 05:36.46 | probalon | copy the timed life effect |
| 05:37.18 | probalon | and attach it to unit |
| 05:37.43 | nuknfuts | its not just the effect... its gotta spawn with it |
| 05:37.54 | nuknfuts | cause you can place PDDs that lats forever in editor |
| 05:37.56 | Odonen | can that be done with the 'Train' style abilities? |
| 05:38.01 | nuknfuts | yah |
| 05:38.12 | nuknfuts | effect: |
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| 05:38.46 | FireryRage | blah, I've yet to mess around with the editor, any suggestions what I should do with it? |
| 05:38.48 | nuknfuts | very bottom of the info+ -> train unit |
| 05:39.02 | FireryRage | *suggestions what I should start with? |
| 05:39.06 | nuknfuts | make a kerrigan has sex with ______ |
| 05:39.12 | FireryRage | GENIUS |
| 05:39.16 | Odonen | I see, thanks guys =D |
| 05:39.25 | Alpha_vst | lol |
| 05:39.43 | probalon | lolll |
| 05:39.47 | FireryRage | speaking of editor, is it out for mac yet? |
| 05:40.16 | probalon | wait for a new gui to come out first lol |
| 05:40.29 | xttocs | new gui? |
| 05:40.44 | FireryRage | ~_~ |
| 05:40.47 | probalon | better editing environment |
| 05:41.00 | FireryRage | dammit, I don't like having to reboot under windows :( |
| 05:41.16 | Motive | iirc they have to write the GUI in Cocoa |
| 05:41.24 | Motive | which is supposedly a pain to do multiplatform |
| 05:41.53 | FireryRage | considering cocoa is mac-only... yeah |
| 05:41.58 | Motive | well no I mean |
| 05:42.08 | Motive | you have to have basically two GUI drawing systems |
| 05:42.10 | Motive | one for PC, one for Mac |
| 05:42.12 | Motive | can't really merge them |
| 05:42.15 | FireryRage | mmhmm |
| 05:42.16 | Alpha_vst | they wont update the gui 0.o |
| 05:42.17 | nuknfuts | yeah they dont port well |
| 05:42.19 | FireryRage | gotcha |
| 05:42.24 | nuknfuts | the editor is going to be as-is |
| 05:42.32 | nuknfuts | blizzard knows its complicated... but they made the whole game with it |
| 05:42.40 | nuknfuts | so if they can do it in campaign, you can do it with the editor :P |
| 05:42.53 | FireryRage | alpha: the mac and windows version of the SC1 editor looked significantly different |
| 05:43.09 | Motive | well that was back in the days of Carbon |
| 05:43.12 | Alpha_vst | i know they did |
| 05:43.15 | Motive | so that doesn't really reflect on the present. |
| 05:43.24 | Alpha_vst | but they never updated them |
| 05:43.38 | Motive | iirc I still have to run SC1 in Rosetta |
| 05:43.59 | FireryRage | yeah, you had OS9 SC |
| 05:44.08 | Alpha_vst | but more importantly how can i use math in spawning a unit in a region? |
| 05:44.10 | FireryRage | then they did the OS X carbon version |
| 05:44.11 | Motive | psh I had windows 2000/XP |
| 05:44.16 | Motive | mac sucked ass back then :P |
| 05:44.20 | Galois-evariste | i got xp right now |
| 05:44.21 | Galois-evariste | what's up |
| 05:44.25 | Alpha_vst | lol |
| 05:44.28 | Alpha_vst | upgrade |
| 05:44.36 | Motive | XP is 10 years old. It's time to let it die. :( |
| 05:44.38 | Galois-evariste | give me the money for that |
| 05:44.40 | FireryRage | which is technically for the G3-5 series |
| 05:44.48 | Alpha_vst | how can i use math in spawning a unit in a region? |
| 05:44.49 | Galois-evariste | check out my comp specs |
| 05:44.50 | xttocs | I believe the current editor was coded in MFC. |
| 05:44.52 | Galois-evariste | get ready to laugh |
| 05:45.00 | Motive | I remember Windows XP was the first OS I actually bought at a store and upgraded. |
| 05:45.09 | Motive | I had Windows 98 and I was on dialup and I was like lolol this is so much faster |
| 05:45.15 | FireryRage | I have XP as my dual-boot |
| 05:45.19 | Galois-evariste | 1.8ghz amd sempron single core, nvidia 6200 |
| 05:45.19 | Alpha_vst | how can i use math in spawning a unit in a region? im going to keep asking :D |
| 05:45.23 | Galois-evariste | what's up |
| 05:45.28 | Alpha_vst | wow |
| 05:45.30 | nuknfuts | move to win 7... |
| 05:45.33 | Motive | that's not TOO terrible, Galois. |
| 05:45.37 | nuknfuts | lol how do you even play sc2 |
| 05:45.43 | Alpha_vst | i know |
| 05:45.45 | Motive | my old windows PC came with a sempron 2.2 ghz |
| 05:45.47 | FireryRage | thinking about 7 at some point, but I need to check the bootcamp drivers and crap |
| 05:45.48 | Galois-evariste | actually i just bought the graphics card like last year |
| 05:45.54 | Motive | though I upgraded it to a Dual Core AMd |
| 05:45.57 | pkol | what do you mean "use math" ? |
| 05:46.01 | Galois-evariste | he means |
| 05:46.04 | Galois-evariste | arithmetic (integer) |
| 05:46.09 | Galois-evariste | when it asks for a value |
| 05:46.09 | Alpha_vst | fireryRage im running win7 on a mini |
| 05:46.11 | davidcramer | amd is still around? |
| 05:46.16 | nuknfuts | yes |
| 05:46.20 | Alpha_vst | how can i use math in spawning a unit in a region? lalalalala |
| 05:46.21 | nuknfuts | theyre actually my choice to build stuff now |
| 05:46.21 | Galois-evariste | pick arithmetic (integer) and then be like "VARIABLE + 1" in the 3 things |
| 05:46.24 | davidcramer | im surprised they didnt keel over with the i3/5/7 line of procs |
| 05:46.35 | Motive | They compete w/ lower prices. |
| 05:46.35 | nuknfuts | i thought they would keel over at core 2 + the ATI 2900 debacle |
| 05:46.40 | nuknfuts | but they survived |
| 05:46.44 | Motive | They don't need the best processors |
| 05:46.45 | davidcramer | Motive: do they even have something that compares? |
| 05:46.45 | nuknfuts | and now are on top in GPUs so go figure |
| 05:46.55 | nuknfuts | yeah the 6-cores |
| 05:46.56 | davidcramer | amd doesnt count as GPU :P |
| 05:47.07 | nuknfuts | amd owns ati :P |
| 05:47.09 | davidcramer | thats totally ATi, even if its same owner now |
| 05:47.10 | Motive | AMD is doing fine imo. I'd rather buy an AMD than an intel since money's an issue. |
| 05:47.13 | Alpha_vst | fuck... people |
| 05:47.16 | nuknfuts | their fusion stuff is due sometimes soon |
| 05:47.20 | nuknfuts | yah |
| 05:47.28 | nuknfuts | you can get a 6-core black edidtion for $300 |
| 05:47.28 | davidcramer | but ya, seems like AMD is always behind in procs |
| 05:47.35 | davidcramer | nvidia/ati are usually close |
| 05:47.42 | nuknfuts | not true.. their Athlon K8's were dominating Pentium 4 |
| 05:47.48 | davidcramer | i wouldnt say dominating |
| 05:47.53 | Jamash | I would |
| 05:47.54 | davidcramer | maybe good share of market |
| 05:48.03 | davidcramer | ever since core 2 duo's ive never went amd |
| 05:48.11 | nuknfuts | they gained like 10+% of market share on Intel |
| 05:48.13 | nuknfuts | which is insane |
| 05:48.23 | nuknfuts | K8 to P4 was Core 2 Duo to K8... |
| 05:48.31 | nuknfuts | theyre pretty even now... at least on the price points |
| 05:48.38 | Galois-evariste | you know what my favorite word is right now? |
| 05:48.41 | Galois-evariste | roflopterus |
| 05:48.44 | nuknfuts | a X6 core matches its i5/i7 price equivalent pretty well overall |
| 05:48.44 | Galois-evariste | i don't know why |
| 05:48.47 | xttocs | gunderplunk |
| 05:48.55 | nuknfuts | bustin jieber |
| 05:49.19 | *** join/#sc2mapster Gohla (~user@53543F60.cable.casema.nl) |
| 05:49.28 | Galois-evariste | can i throw some dubs on my amd sempron? |
| 05:49.38 | nuknfuts | its funny cause |
| 05:49.40 | nuknfuts | if you have an AM2 |
| 05:49.44 | nuknfuts | you can put a 6-core in there possibly :P |
| 05:49.54 | Galois-evariste | i don't know |
| 05:49.58 | Motive | meh |
| 05:50.01 | Motive | I'm gonna buy a new PC soon |
| 05:50.02 | nuknfuts | my friends motherboard went from an AM2+ dual core to a 6 core in teh span of 3 years... |
| 05:50.12 | Motive | I can't keep switching between Mac and PC like this |
| 05:50.16 | Motive | over parallels |
| 05:50.16 | Motive | it' |
| 05:50.19 | Motive | fucking blows. |
| 05:50.21 | nuknfuts | Intel really pissed me off with the Core i5/i7s being different sockets/boards |
| 05:50.30 | FireryRage | why not motive? |
| 05:50.40 | Motive | well it uses half my RAM just to run and not even at nice speeds |
| 05:50.47 | Motive | only can use 256 MB of VRAM, etc. |
| 05:50.49 | FireryRage | ahhh right |
| 05:50.57 | Motive | I'd rather just run native and I'm not gonna keep rebooting for that. |
| 05:50.59 | Motive | 'cause that's even worse |
| 05:51.07 | FireryRage | mmhmm |
| 05:51.07 | Motive | IM logs get divided between two partitions, etc. |
| 05:51.14 | Alpha_vst | parallels sucks :P |
| 05:51.19 | FireryRage | it's one of the reasons I haven't been playing with the SC2 editor |
| 05:51.36 | Motive | I'm fine with the Mac client in it's current unoptimized state. Jesus, just give me the editor. Lol |
| 05:51.42 | FireryRage | plus I'm tight on HD space :( |
| 05:51.51 | FireryRage | amen motive |
| 05:51.53 | Motive | I can deal with lower FPS than windows. I've never been an FPS buff. |
| 05:51.55 | Alpha_vst | if my mini can run win 7 you should be ablke to run win |
| 05:52.10 | Motive | Anything over 20 fps is fine for me. Lol |
| 05:52.12 | Motive | 30 is nice. |
| 05:52.21 | FireryRage | I can run win, I just don't like having to reboot over and over again |
| 05:52.34 | Motive | I can't run Windows. Freak liquid damage prevents it. |
| 05:52.34 | Motive | Lol |
| 05:52.41 | FireryRage | o.O |
| 05:52.47 | Motive | OS X will run perfectly, but Windows will just black screen if I even put in the cd. |
| 05:52.51 | Motive | Weirdest shit ever. |
| 05:52.58 | FireryRage | crazy |
| 05:53.03 | Motive | It's like my Mac is allergic to Windows. |
| 05:53.05 | FireryRage | was it holy water? |
| 05:53.05 | Motive | It's kind of hilarious. |
| 05:53.08 | Motive | Maybe. |
| 05:53.08 | Motive | LOL |
| 05:53.12 | FireryRage | cause that would completely explain it |
| 05:53.37 | Alpha_vst | do you have a intel max motive? |
| 05:53.38 | Motive | Mac diagnostic tools, linux, etc, will all work |
| 05:53.39 | Motive | yes |
| 05:53.46 | Motive | but Windows just won't even get to the setup screen |
| 05:53.49 | Motive | it just goes black |
| 05:53.49 | Motive | haha |
| 05:53.53 | Alpha_vst | lol |
| 05:53.57 | Alpha_vst | odd :P |
| 05:53.59 | Motive | and that's windows xp, windows 7, and vista |
| 05:54.01 | FireryRage | but yeah, I really want the editor on mac, so I can mess around while I'm doing the rest of the stuff I usually do |
| 05:54.05 | Motive | so it's just something really low level |
| 05:54.10 | nuknfuts | weird |
| 05:54.10 | Alpha_vst | same |
| 05:54.24 | Alpha_vst | ive been very unproductive on not being in osx |
| 05:54.25 | Alpha_vst | lol |
| 05:54.36 | Motive | I've come to love OS X more than Windows. |
| 05:54.37 | Alpha_vst | i never switch im lazy :D |
| 05:54.39 | Motive | It's freakish. :P |
| 05:54.45 | Alpha_vst | its sexy |
| 05:55.04 | Motive | That and it just is easier. |
| 05:55.06 | FireryRage | I come from a macwhore family |
| 05:55.14 | Motive | Dock > having to minimize apps to get to the desktop |
| 05:55.21 | FireryRage | to demonstrate: my father bought the apple TV when it came out. |
| 05:55.25 | Motive | And screens is a godsend for hiding stuff in class |
| 05:55.26 | Motive | :D |
| 05:55.34 | Alpha_vst | apple tv is a joke... |
| 05:55.37 | nuknfuts | eh i prefer win 7 now |
| 05:55.37 | Alpha_vst | lol |
| 05:55.39 | FireryRage | like I said |
| 05:55.41 | Motive | and having a nice terminal is fun, too |
| 05:55.43 | FireryRage | macwhore family |
| 05:55.53 | nuknfuts | i loathed xp~ but win 7 is really really good |
| 05:55.57 | Motive | I've even come to prefer Colloquy to mIRC. |
| 05:56.02 | xttocs | bah |
| 05:56.03 | Motive | And Mac applications usually have a cleaner UI. |
| 05:56.04 | davidcramer | mac ftw |
| 05:56.05 | FireryRage | I use x-chat aqua |
| 05:56.06 | nuknfuts | been rock solid stable on my 3 comps |
| 05:56.07 | xttocs | Fuck colloquy |
| 05:56.08 | Mittsies | is there a dynamic, non-horrible of making lots of new units (perhaps without using data-editor, and instead using triggers)? For instance, you want to make a bunch of different structures for a TD but don't want to go through the tedius process of changing ten thousand fields. |
| 05:56.09 | xttocs | get linkinius |
| 05:56.15 | davidcramer | Motive: not so much thats its cleaner, its just consistent |
| 05:56.15 | Mittsies | way of making** |
| 05:56.19 | Motive | Yeah, that. |
| 05:56.23 | davidcramer | ya linkinus is nice |
| 05:56.24 | nuknfuts | not really mittsies |
| 05:56.26 | xttocs | http://conceitedsoftware.com/products/linkinus |
| 05:56.27 | davidcramer | but so is colloquy |
| 05:56.33 | Motive | The only inconsistent app I can think of is iTunes and that still looks very clean and professional. |
| 05:56.35 | Mittsies | God why is the data editor is awful |
| 05:56.53 | xttocs | Eeh |
| 05:56.53 | Motive | Silly iTunes Carbon. :P |
| 05:56.58 | Alpha_vst | omg this is sexy |
| 05:57.02 | xttocs | Colloquy is too much mac flare. |
| 05:57.03 | Alpha_vst | i almsot have this working |
| 05:57.10 | FireryRage | oh pshhhh |
| 05:57.19 | xttocs | IRC is.. old school. I like it to look less chromed out. |
| 05:57.19 | FireryRage | linkinus costs money |
| 05:57.24 | xttocs | Not if you... steal it |
| 05:57.29 | FireryRage | >.> |
| 05:57.32 | Motive | I also find that Mac seems to multitask better. This may just be my perception but I feel like the OS is more responsive, even if one app is being a CPU whore. |
| 05:57.44 | xttocs | Best site ever: http://codez4mac.com/ |
| 05:57.49 | FireryRage | I like my free-to-start-with-X-Chat-Aqua |
| 05:57.51 | xttocs | thank me later |
| 05:58.07 | Motive | and don't even get me started about Adium. |
| 05:58.09 | Motive | such a sexy IM beast. |
| 05:58.26 | Alpha_vst | lol |
| 05:58.27 | Motive | the only thing I dislike is not being able to copy and paste clean chat logs out of the chatbox, but I'm sure a different skin could fix that. |
| 05:58.34 | Alpha_vst | im a meebo whore... |
| 05:58.41 | Alpha_vst | im a browser whore more like it |
| 05:58.47 | Motive | and Safari <3 |
| 05:58.48 | Motive | oh man |
| 05:58.48 | FireryRage | I like my aMSN for msn use |
| 05:58.50 | Alpha_vst | i hate programs |
| 05:58.51 | Motive | it's so minimalistic. |
| 05:59.03 | Motive | Minimalism ftw. |
| 05:59.08 | FireryRage | hehe |
| 05:59.14 | FireryRage | I use both firefox and safari |
| 05:59.18 | Skizot | CONTEST TIME! |
| 05:59.19 | Motive | I can't use Firefox anymore. |
| 05:59.22 | Motive | I hate it. |
| 05:59.24 | Motive | Chrome or Safari, that's it. |
| 05:59.25 | FireryRage | firefox is usually my main browser |
| 05:59.26 | nuknfuts | firefox sucks now |
| 05:59.27 | davidcramer | I like Safari but cant use the hotkeys |
| 05:59.31 | davidcramer | and firefox is too slow for my macbook |
| 05:59.35 | FireryRage | <3 addons |
| 05:59.37 | Skizot | whoever can tell me why THIS screenshot is so awesome... get's an e-cookie! |
| 05:59.38 | nuknfuts | they have more vulnerabilities than ever... and the worst memory leak issue |
| 05:59.38 | Skizot | http://i46.tinypic.com/2czdlc3.jpg |
| 05:59.40 | davidcramer | chrome/safari have really kicked firefox's ass |
| 05:59.43 | Alpha_vst | can i show a region in game? |
| 05:59.46 | nuknfuts | chrome is my go-to now |
| 05:59.47 | Motive | psh |
| 05:59.49 | Motive | I know why :OP |
| 05:59.50 | davidcramer | i use firefox at work only cause its an i5/8gb of mem |
| 05:59.53 | davidcramer | so it can handle the bloat |
| 05:59.55 | Motive | clearly that SS was taken on a Mac |
| 05:59.57 | davidcramer | + the extensions are nice for work |
| 05:59.59 | Motive | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:00.09 | Skizot | no cookie for motive. |
| 06:00.13 | Alpha_vst | skizot is he laying down or dead? |
| 06:00.14 | Motive | lies. |
| 06:00.18 | Skizot | laying down. |
| 06:00.20 | Skizot | :D |
| 06:00.24 | Skizot | http://www.babble.com/CS/blogs/strollerderby/2009/06/chocolate_chip_cookie.jpg |
| 06:00.26 | Skizot | alpha wins. |
| 06:00.36 | Alpha_vst | pretty awesome |
| 06:01.01 | Skizot | my NEXT project... is a bit more... pain in the nuts. |
| 06:01.03 | Skizot | BUT. |
| 06:01.04 | FireryRage | yeah |
| 06:01.07 | Skizot | should be better |
| 06:01.10 | FireryRage | I thought he was dead at first |
| 06:01.10 | xttocs | BUT!?!? |
| 06:01.20 | FireryRage | then I realized that fire must've been a ling or something |
| 06:01.28 | FireryRage | and on the same level as his gun |
| 06:02.02 | Alpha_vst | almsot got it :P |
| 06:02.08 | Alpha_vst | but it works woot |
| 06:02.10 | Alpha_vst | goodnight |
| 06:02.23 | Alpha_vst | Unit - Create 1 Wall for player 0 at ((Center of Region 001) offset by (-9.0, 9.0)) facing 0.0 degrees (Ignore Placement) weeee |
| 06:02.51 | xttocs | Skizot |
| 06:02.56 | xttocs | Have you released that map yet? |
| 06:05.16 | Skizot | no... |
| 06:05.19 | Skizot | still a wip. |
| 06:05.39 | Skizot | there's a weird bug that freezes the model when model swapping. |
| 06:05.50 | xttocs | So you have just been tantalizing people with screenshots? |
| 06:05.53 | Skizot | and for somereason my marine gains a free sheild when he gets up from the groun. |
| 06:05.57 | Skizot | and movies. |
| 06:09.37 | nuknfuts | disable it in events? |
| 06:09.46 | nuknfuts | its kinda annoying the marine shares the same model |
| 06:09.50 | nuknfuts | shield or not |
| 06:09.57 | nuknfuts | the roach has two different models, no? |
| 06:10.31 | *** join/#sc2mapster Jcup (~ad3a00ce@gateway/web/freenode/session) |
| 06:10.39 | Jcup | Heyooo |
| 06:11.40 | probalon | wut's a codez4mac? |
| 06:12.06 | Jcup | o.O |
| 06:12.10 | probalon | skizot, awesome |
| 06:12.15 | Myst[DarkBlizz] | hello |
| 06:12.38 | Jcup | oh guys check it out :3 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UwVJaNXl7NA |
| 06:13.31 | xttocs | Is your map available, jcub? |
| 06:13.33 | xttocs | cup* |
| 06:13.48 | Jcup | its not yetttt |
| 06:13.59 | xttocs | Feel free to send me a copy ahead of time |
| 06:14.06 | Jcup | lolz |
| 06:14.21 | Jcup | I wanna make it more user friendly before I release it |
| 06:14.36 | xttocs | Heh |
| 06:18.20 | nuknfuts | whatd you use for your cloud effect |
| 06:18.24 | nuknfuts | which model rather |
| 06:20.24 | probalon | (anyone know how I might alter the height of where my spell is cast? I made a custom spell, but it shoots from the feet and it looks weird @_@ |
| 06:21.08 | probalon | there's lots of stuff from his map that I am clueless about lol, esp the lighting effects and how he got things to patrol |
| 06:23.15 | Jcup | Nuknfuts its just smoke |
| 06:23.22 | Jcup | Look at the smoke models |
| 06:23.38 | nuknfuts | ah |
| 06:24.13 | Jcup | and probalon the lighting you mess through the tileset lighting for the back and fourth patroling that was easy and I did a loop for the circle patrol |
| 06:24.29 | Jcup | wait it wasnt a loop |
| 06:24.34 | Jcup | it was a periodic event :D |
| 06:24.58 | probalon | ah |
| 06:25.01 | Skizot | can anyone convert a mp3 to a wav for me real fast? |
| 06:25.25 | Motive | oops |
| 06:25.30 | Motive | I got carried away and spent like $20 on itunes |
| 06:25.31 | Motive | lolol |
| 06:25.37 | Motive | I guess that's the downside of actually paying |
| 06:26.36 | Skizot | noone? |
| 06:26.43 | Skizot | no wave converters? |
| 06:29.25 | Motive | Lemme see if I can DL audacity. :P |
| 06:30.05 | probalon | shit was looking for one |
| 06:30.05 | Skizot | you can do it with WINAMP. |
| 06:30.10 | probalon | http://download.cnet.com/MP3-to-WAV-Decoder/3000-2140_4-10060498.html was all i found, looks crap imo |
| 06:30.14 | Skizot | i just don't feel like downloading it :( |
| 06:30.33 | Motive | oh those bitches don't even give audacity a folder for /Applications/? |
| 06:30.36 | Motive | what fags. |
| 06:31.03 | Motive | oh wow the interface is ugly. |
| 06:31.13 | Jcup | Ouch lol |
| 06:31.14 | Motive | well, looks like I can do it. |
| 06:31.18 | Motive | send that .mp3 over :P |
| 06:31.24 | Skizot | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/7102389/contra_start.mp3 |
| 06:32.15 | Motive | lol |
| 06:32.22 | Motive | mac os x has no "fetch" or wget :( |
| 06:32.26 | Motive | yay for curl I guess |
| 06:33.39 | Motive | http://www.mediafire.com/?jjozgxgmwc0 |
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| 06:39.46 | pom_pom | anyone on here used the "Random Spawn Point" trigger (finds a random point far away from enemies) ... it gives me errors when I use it |
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| 06:40.32 | probalon | you don't have to assign a region? |
| 06:41.54 | pom_pom | yeah it needs a region |
| 06:42.06 | pom_pom | just finds point in there that's at least min distance away from stuff |
| 06:42.13 | pom_pom | very useful imo |
| 06:42.16 | pom_pom | but it doesn't work? |
| 06:42.43 | probalon | how do you know how it works then? |
| 06:48.04 | pom_pom | look in the editor |
| 06:48.12 | pom_pom | at Random Spawn Point |
| 06:48.13 | pom_pom | action |
| 06:48.18 | pom_pom | it has a description |
| 06:48.20 | pom_pom | of what it should do |
| 06:48.24 | rrowland | AHHH I HAVE NO GOD DAMN IDEA WHY THIS IS HAPPENING |
| 06:48.30 | pom_pom | but when i run it i get a red "trigger error" thingy |
| 06:48.33 | Motive | oh, shit |
| 06:48.36 | Motive | 3 episode left of 24. :( |
| 06:48.39 | Motive | and 1 movie. |
| 06:48.50 | Jcup | >.< what rrowland |
| 06:49.01 | rrowland | FOR NO REASON |
| 06:49.13 | rrowland | 2 of my like 15 abilities |
| 06:49.20 | rrowland | That are ALL SET UP EXACTLY THE SAME |
| 06:49.24 | rrowland | Are starting off at level 1 |
| 06:49.34 | rrowland | Instead of having to be trained by leveling hero |
| 06:49.54 | Jcup | Make sure they are added correctly |
| 06:50.07 | rrowland | I've been double triple quadruple checking for like 3 hours |
| 06:50.10 | rrowland | They're all the fucking same |
| 06:50.41 | Jcup | check the command card? |
| 06:51.04 | rrowland | Did that like 20 times |
| 06:52.11 | Jcup | lol its prolly the smalles tthing |
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| 06:55.19 | Skizot | also Motive |
| 06:55.26 | Skizot | i know how to fix your map laucher on 7. |
| 06:55.29 | Skizot | :P |
| 06:55.31 | Motive | it works on 7 :P |
| 06:55.36 | Skizot | no it doesn't |
| 06:55.40 | Motive | yes it does |
| 06:55.45 | Skizot | not on maps over 5 mb |
| 06:55.47 | Motive | o_O |
| 06:55.53 | Motive | oh do tell then :P |
| 06:56.22 | Motive | was wondering what caused that bug with the "Unable to load map" |
| 06:56.27 | Motive | 5 MB would explain it... |
| 06:56.27 | Skizot | rename the LT sma to .sma.bak |
| 06:56.32 | Skizot | and COPY the new map there. |
| 06:56.44 | Skizot | restore should delete the sma |
| 06:56.47 | *** join/#sc2mapster Computerpunk (~Computerp@95.76.177.207) |
| 06:56.50 | Skizot | and rename the original. |
| 06:57.13 | Motive | hm, will do that tomorrow. |
| 06:57.45 | PatchOne | anyone out there that successfully made next map load work? |
| 06:58.01 | Skizot | yes |
| 06:58.29 | Skizot | the maps HAVE to be in your SC2 dir in the maps folder. |
| 06:59.07 | Motive | Why would that make any difference though, Skizot? |
| 06:59.20 | Skizot | because that's where it check for the maps at :P |
| 06:59.23 | Skizot | no map, no load. |
| 06:59.25 | Motive | No I mean |
| 06:59.34 | Motive | rename the L2 .s2ma to .s2ma.bak |
| 06:59.37 | Motive | instead of moving it out, etc |
| 06:59.52 | Skizot | saves the trouble of having to hunt it down ;) |
| 07:00.01 | Motive | ah |
| 07:00.05 | Motive | well it's better method anyways |
| 07:00.05 | Skizot | and it wouldn't restore it for me period. |
| 07:00.08 | Motive | so I will change it later. |
| 07:00.13 | Motive | weird |
| 07:00.29 | PatchOne | does not work |
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| 07:01.04 | PatchOne | it simply goes into the main menu, login screen of sc2 after the trigger gets executed |
| 07:02.46 | Skizot | it works fine for me :/ |
| 07:02.51 | PatchOne | hmm |
| 07:02.57 | PatchOne | how you did it exactly? |
| 07:03.11 | *** join/#sc2mapster Clord (~Clord@62-165-184-40.bb.dnainternet.fi) |
| 07:03.13 | Skizot | G:\games\StarCraft II Beta\Maps |
| 07:03.18 | Skizot | that's my maps folder |
| 07:03.25 | Skizot | i installed sc2 to g:\games\ |
| 07:03.58 | PatchOne | i meant the trigger himself |
| 07:04.07 | *** join/#sc2mapster kumorig (~kumorig@host98-202.bornet.net) |
| 07:04.16 | PatchOne | i mean, a simple on event set next map and end game in win should be enough, right? |
| 07:04.31 | Skizot | one sec |
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| 07:05.06 | heysparky | howdy folks |
| 07:05.16 | thunderzak | hi buddy |
| 07:05.55 | Clord | my contest map has since yesterday loading screen |
| 07:06.44 | Clord | and I added garage there so it looks like they have somewhere put their resources |
| 07:08.24 | Jcup | herro heysparky |
| 07:08.35 | Skizot | hey sparky |
| 07:08.37 | Jcup | lol its weird to say hi to someone with hey in their name |
| 07:08.46 | Jcup | Hi Hey! |
| 07:08.54 | thunderzak | 'scuse me i got a question 'bout the contest |
| 07:09.06 | Clord | that's why he is called Sparky |
| 07:09.08 | Clord | lol |
| 07:09.20 | Jcup | lol |
| 07:09.27 | thunderzak | in ur advice, should i add off-voice or should i just left subtitles ? |
| 07:09.27 | Jcup | Yeah i guess that worrrks |
| 07:10.33 | heysparky | bound to come up at some point, but heysparky == she |
| 07:11.02 | Jcup | Clord did it! |
| 07:11.06 | Jcup | :P |
| 07:11.25 | Skizot | how modern of you to have a computer in the kitchen! |
| 07:11.28 | Skizot | lol just kidding. |
| 07:11.36 | Jcup | ROFL |
| 07:11.40 | Jcup | that was messed |
| 07:11.54 | heysparky | lol it IS in the kitchen :D |
| 07:11.55 | Skizot | my wife's online nick is KittyBit... |
| 07:12.01 | Skizot | it's short for kitchen bitch |
| 07:12.03 | Jcup | I was just about to say maybe that was a bad idea to tell everyone |
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| 07:12.18 | Motive | LOL |
| 07:12.36 | heysparky | well, I don't usually until it comes up directly |
| 07:13.10 | Skizot | i wasn't gonna say anything :( |
| 07:13.31 | FrozenFirebat1 | Impossibles... Womenz on teh interwebs? |
| 07:13.35 | heysparky | :D |
| 07:13.55 | heysparky | that's the 4th reference to that I've heard since joining sc2mapster... crack up |
| 07:13.56 | Jcup | The first woman to play sc2 :O maybe |
| 07:14.08 | Denomination | lol |
| 07:14.11 | Denomination | wait |
| 07:14.14 | Denomination | denomination...? |
| 07:14.15 | Clord | don't boil your food too much |
| 07:14.28 | Clord | or put computer there |
| 07:14.38 | FrozenFirebat1 | don't boil your computer? |
| 07:14.54 | Jcup | it happens |
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| 07:15.29 | Clord | it is probably laptop |
| 07:16.10 | FrozenFirebat1 | so it's ok to boil a laptop?> |
| 07:16.11 | Jcup | uhm pretty sure a desktop can boil too just takes a little determination |
| 07:16.58 | FrozenFirebat1 | boil computers full of porn, it makes a thick soup. |
| 07:17.30 | Motive | http://standardmadness.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/weighted-companion-cube.jpg |
| 07:17.33 | Motive | omg it's the companion cube cake! |
| 07:17.35 | Motive | the cake is not a lie. :D |
| 07:17.45 | rrowland | the cake is a lie :( |
| 07:18.28 | Clord | that is why females fail to hide that they are female |
| 07:18.30 | Jcup | Lie or not a liee... |
| 07:18.39 | Clord | if someone mistakes them they tell instantly |
| 07:18.40 | Jcup | wait cuz of cake? |
| 07:18.44 | Jcup | oh lol |
| 07:18.53 | Clord | yummu |
| 07:18.58 | Clord | it is like eating your best friend! |
| 07:19.09 | Clord | yummy |
| 07:19.10 | Motive | yum |
| 07:19.13 | Jcup | D: |
| 07:19.22 | Motive | best friends taste even better than friends! |
| 07:19.33 | Jcup | :O |
| 07:19.47 | Clord | however there is special rule.... best friend must be food and not anything living |
| 07:19.48 | Clord | lol |
| 07:19.53 | Motive | psh |
| 07:19.55 | Motive | screw that rule |
| 07:19.59 | Clord | I rather not resort to cannibalism |
| 07:20.12 | nuknfuts | grrr |
| 07:20.15 | Motive | Everyone should eat their friends once in a while. |
| 07:20.16 | nuknfuts | i need to stop editing maps at night |
| 07:20.20 | nuknfuts | overwrote one of my test maps sigh |
| 07:20.40 | FrozenFirebat1 | backups, nuknfuts |
| 07:20.49 | Clord | set on automatic backup option |
| 07:20.57 | Clord | and make it do for example up to five backups |
| 07:21.08 | nuknfuts | yeah i shouldve |
| 07:21.14 | nuknfuts | it wasnt an important map |
| 07:21.20 | nuknfuts | i just dont want to make 5 actors over again lol |
| 07:21.24 | Clord | buy storage space from internet and backup maps there too to secure areas |
| 07:21.28 | Clord | ^^ |
| 07:21.38 | Clord | so even HD burn not cause lose them |
| 07:21.48 | probalon | anyone know how to manipulate missile origin on spell casts? |
| 07:22.00 | Clord | I did backup my maps to internet |
| 07:22.01 | Clord | lol |
| 07:22.18 | FrozenFirebat1 | question: anybody know if the "default map" in preferences - test document will make a map load with a mod when you goto test the mod |
| 07:23.55 | rrowland | Okay so |
| 07:24.04 | rrowland | If you EVER rename an ability |
| 07:24.25 | rrowland | It will always start you at level 1 even if you want it to be a leveled ability with hero levels |
| 07:24.31 | rrowland | Until you delete it and make a new one. |
| 07:24.37 | Motive | o_o |
| 07:24.44 | Motive | Eat moar friends. |
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| 07:25.42 | Clord | no.. bad Motive... |
| 07:26.05 | Clord | no more spine for you |
| 07:26.14 | Motive | psh I'm not talking cannibalism |
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| 07:26.23 | Clord | =) |
| 07:26.32 | Clord | I was defending cake's rights |
| 07:26.33 | Motive | oh I'm not talking sex either |
| 07:26.34 | Motive | LOL |
| 07:26.37 | Motive | just thought of that |
| 07:26.47 | nuknfuts | im starting to wonder how blizzard ever attached units to each other |
| 07:26.50 | Clord | why to defend humans when you can defend cakes? |
| 07:26.55 | Clord | just like those hippies |
| 07:26.58 | Motive | http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs566.snc3/30935_413950597248_70728022248_4203068_5722341_n.jpg |
| 07:26.59 | Motive | ugh |
| 07:27.00 | Motive | justin bieber |
| 07:27.03 | Clord | they defend animal over human even if human is about to get eaten |
| 07:27.04 | Motive | why do you even bother? |
| 07:27.04 | Motive | LOL |
| 07:27.05 | Clord | XD |
| 07:27.36 | Clord | with glue |
| 07:27.53 | Clord | they did that stuff becaues mappers |
| 07:28.02 | Clord | and necause they wanted upgrades for campaign |
| 07:28.05 | Clord | what alternate unit looks |
| 07:28.26 | nuknfuts | well i know how to attach models.. thats not a problem |
| 07:28.30 | nuknfuts | i meant making that model function as a unit |
| 07:28.34 | nuknfuts | or i assumed blizzard did that~ |
| 07:28.37 | Clord | for example campaign has that upgrade for bunkers what adds missile turrets over them |
| 07:28.44 | nuknfuts | yeah |
| 07:28.50 | nuknfuts | i think its a completely different model though |
| 07:28.56 | Clord | melee mode that would be called rather imba |
| 07:29.01 | Clord | XD |
| 07:29.05 | nuknfuts | i cant wait to get my hands on what the data though |
| 07:29.09 | Clord | yeah |
| 07:29.15 | Clord | then I can too redesign my maps |
| 07:29.17 | Clord | made before release |
| 07:29.25 | nuknfuts | yeah i think a lot of us will have to lol |
| 07:29.25 | Clord | and put stuff how I wanted them to be |
| 07:29.35 | Clord | I want my firebats for terran tier 2 spawns |
| 07:29.36 | nuknfuts | my main thing right now is that i want to attach a marine to an ultralisk~ |
| 07:29.37 | Clord | =) |
| 07:29.45 | nuknfuts | the firebat icon is already in... its a red marauder lols |
| 07:29.53 | Clord | also my final fantasy battle square wants footed medic |
| 07:29.55 | Clord | =) |
| 07:30.10 | Jcup | useee a whitemaruauder :D |
| 07:30.21 | Jcup | he can does it |
| 07:30.43 | Clord | it was probably because they did need remove stuff so manually for beta |
| 07:30.48 | Clord | they kinda forgot few things |
| 07:30.51 | Clord | like few statues |
| 07:31.03 | nuknfuts | its amazing how much stuff they have in there |
| 07:31.04 | Clord | there is that villain's statues |
| 07:31.07 | nuknfuts | obfuscate incubation etc |
| 07:31.12 | nuknfuts | jotun boosters... |
| 07:31.19 | nuknfuts | all the brood wars unit upgrades |
| 07:31.34 | Clord | they probably appear in campaign |
| 07:32.02 | Clord | they are way more creative in campaign because they don't have to worry balancing them other than make them somewhat balanced |
| 07:32.05 | Clord | ^^ |
| 07:32.28 | heysparky | MP balance is out the window for SP |
| 07:32.34 | Clord | yeah |
| 07:32.37 | heysparky | all about the gameplay experience |
| 07:32.55 | Clord | and singleplayer would be dull like melee mode if they didn't make more creative stuff there |
| 07:33.16 | nuknfuts | i still cant believe RTSs |
| 07:33.18 | nuknfuts | for the longest time |
| 07:33.21 | nuknfuts | were just melee maps over and over |
| 07:33.23 | pkol | i think the medic is just a white textured sheild marine |
| 07:33.25 | heysparky | lol |
| 07:33.31 | nuknfuts | it is pkol |
| 07:33.39 | nuknfuts | they do have unique Goliath model though |
| 07:33.40 | nuknfuts | and Scout |
| 07:33.44 | pkol | and wraith |
| 07:33.53 | pkol | and i assume lurker |
| 07:33.55 | nuknfuts | Dropship is just Medivac with a black texture |
| 07:34.03 | nuknfuts | bring back Arbiters damnit |
| 07:34.08 | pkol | is there a dragoon? |
| 07:34.11 | nuknfuts | im waiting for the Starcraft: Brrood Wars mod |
| 07:34.12 | nuknfuts | yes |
| 07:34.20 | nuknfuts | SC2 -> SC:BW |
| 07:34.27 | pkol | you could skin a arbiter from a warp prisim |
| 07:34.27 | nuknfuts | never in the history of games have people wanted a mod to go backwards as much as this one |
| 07:34.33 | pkol | might take a few model edits |
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| 07:34.36 | nuknfuts | i bet they have Arbiters too |
| 07:34.44 | nuknfuts | but i bet we might not get all of these models until the 2nd and 3rd expansion/campaigns |
| 07:34.48 | nuknfuts | when they cover Zerg and Protoss |
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| 07:34.59 | nuknfuts | i bet theyll try and explain how Goliath upgraded (not really) to Thor |
| 07:35.16 | pkol | they have storys things |
| 07:35.18 | pkol | on the sc2 site |
| 07:35.21 | heysparky | anyone know which is fisrt of the two expansions? Zerg or Protoss? |
| 07:35.22 | pkol | about the thor |
| 07:35.25 | pkol | zerg |
| 07:35.32 | nuknfuts | zerg yah |
| 07:35.44 | pkol | Wings of Liberty -> Heart of the Swarm - > Legacy of the Void |
| 07:35.54 | nuknfuts | it kinda spoilers the ending though |
| 07:36.00 | nuknfuts | knowing that the Protoss end up finding what theyre looking for |
| 07:36.04 | pkol | not really |
| 07:36.05 | nuknfuts | well maybe not, but its a good hint |
| 07:36.06 | pkol | like |
| 07:36.11 | pkol | it's the same order as SC1 |
| 07:36.15 | pkol | campagns |
| 07:36.18 | pkol | if you remember |
| 07:36.20 | nuknfuts | it is |
| 07:36.24 | nuknfuts | but it spoils it kinda :P |
| 07:36.31 | pkol | and the protoss got fucked over in their campaign |
| 07:36.34 | pkol | losing their home world |
| 07:36.36 | heysparky | assuming the story is a linear one |
| 07:36.36 | pkol | :p |
| 07:36.46 | heysparky | and not 'meanwhile' |
| 07:36.49 | nuknfuts | yeah but you still know that they end up meeting their overall objectives |
| 07:36.51 | nuknfuts | right |
| 07:36.53 | heysparky | that would be rad |
| 07:37.09 | nuknfuts | that'd be cool but they have a mission with Zeratul |
| 07:37.16 | nuknfuts | so i dont think itll be a meanwhile at all |
| 07:37.26 | heysparky | there could be overlaps |
| 07:37.27 | nuknfuts | since you'll have limited control of other races during teh campaign i think to further the story |
| 07:37.35 | pkol | in the terran campaign |
| 07:37.42 | heysparky | or the WoL missions where you see him are 'interludes' |
| 07:37.46 | pkol | zeratul comes to you and is like "OMG DIS HAPPENED" |
| 07:37.49 | pkol | and then you play that |
| 07:37.56 | pkol | its like a mini campaign |
| 07:38.13 | nuknfuts | after playing beta... im actaully more excited about the single player |
| 07:38.16 | nuknfuts | than the multiplayer lol |
| 07:38.25 | pkol | i like MP |
| 07:38.27 | pkol | but yeah |
| 07:38.28 | nuknfuts | maybe its cause ive been playing beta since week 1 but multiplayer has reallllly burned me out already |
| 07:38.34 | pkol | campaign will be pro |
| 07:38.42 | pkol | i go back and forth between melee and mapping |
| 07:38.42 | nuknfuts | thats why i only log in to 2v2 w/ friends |
| 07:38.58 | pkol | but yeah |
| 07:39.04 | nuknfuts | im sure ill melee more... but more to get my icons than anything |
| 07:39.06 | pkol | i got starcraft when i was like 10 |
| 07:39.17 | pkol | i didn't actually play the campaign without cheats till i was like 16 |
| 07:39.28 | nuknfuts | lol i dont know how you managed to do that |
| 07:39.29 | pkol | now i replay it every few months |
| 07:39.31 | pkol | :P |
| 07:39.33 | nuknfuts | it was so boring without cheats |
| 07:39.37 | nuknfuts | some maps took forever |
| 07:39.40 | pkol | i was young |
| 07:39.46 | pkol | leave me alone |
| 07:39.52 | nuknfuts | the only campaign i dont think i bothered cheating on was TFT's |
| 07:39.59 | nuknfuts | cause they took it to another level |
| 07:40.09 | pkol | beating the last mission of brood war zerg was so pro though |
| 07:40.10 | Motive | I cheated cause I was only interested in the story |
| 07:40.32 | nuknfuts | it was sad that the campaign AI was so bad they had to script everything |
| 07:40.37 | nuknfuts | we've come pretty damn far |
| 07:40.43 | pkol | well |
| 07:40.47 | pkol | that was 10 years ago |
| 07:40.48 | pkol | more |
| 07:40.51 | pkol | like |
| 07:40.52 | pkol | 15? |
| 07:40.54 | pkol | no |
| 07:40.57 | pkol | 12 |
| 07:41.04 | Motive | 12 years of excellence. |
| 07:41.17 | pkol | 1998 |
| 07:41.17 | FrozenFirebat1 | Hell, it's about time, tho |
| 07:41.17 | Motive | it says a lot when I still play SC1 fairly regularly. |
| 07:41.17 | Motive | :) |
| 07:41.23 | pkol | imagine 12 years before THAT, 1986 :P |
| 07:41.31 | pkol | how far was sc1 from that |
| 07:41.42 | pkol | and now imagine 10 years from now :p |
| 07:41.53 | nuknfuts | actually sc2 is pretty scaled back |
| 07:41.55 | FrozenFirebat1 | StarCraft 3, plugged into the brainstem |
| 07:41.55 | nuknfuts | compared to what some games do |
| 07:41.59 | Motive | tbh 10 years from now might not be that impressive. |
| 07:42.02 | nuknfuts | but its in the interest of multiplayer competition |
| 07:42.16 | Motive | we'll prolly still be on a standard screen. no brain interface yet. |
| 07:42.22 | Motive | and you can only make graphics so realistic. |
| 07:42.25 | nuknfuts | we're rapidly nearing the limit |
| 07:42.28 | nuknfuts | of transistors |
| 07:42.31 | Motive | before they become a hassle to even look at. |
| 07:42.41 | nuknfuts | we need something like 24 megapixels to match the human eye |
| 07:42.43 | Motive | ex: some people who play on ultra actually turn it down just because it's distracting. xD |
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| 07:43.03 | Motive | I don't think graphics matter so much. It'll always be about gameplay. |
| 07:43.12 | nuknfuts | of course |
| 07:43.16 | nuknfuts | its why i still play Civilization 2 and 4 |
| 07:43.22 | FrozenFirebat1 | Motive... go play a MuD =P |
| 07:43.26 | Motive | ewww |
| 07:43.30 | nuknfuts | Dwarf Fortress |
| 07:43.32 | nuknfuts | is amazing |
| 07:43.39 | nuknfuts | i still cant believe the guy doesnt just get hired and bring a GUI to it |
| 07:44.21 | nuknfuts | i actually think RTS's will start diverging in the future though... if not already |
| 07:44.21 | heysparky | DWARF FORTRESS |
| 07:44.56 | heysparky | Tarn is my hero |
| 07:44.56 | nuknfuts | if only an individual SC2 map could be as in depth as Dwarf Fortress~ |
| 07:44.57 | nuknfuts | that would be an amazing mod |
| 07:44.57 | heysparky | lol |
| 07:44.58 | heysparky | yeah |
| 07:45.04 | heysparky | hmmmm |
| 07:45.09 | pkol | as with transisitors, i think they're not expecting 11nm till 2020+ |
| 07:45.10 | nuknfuts | you could scale it down though.. |
| 07:45.12 | heysparky | that's the first mod that I've EVER been interetsed in |
| 07:45.19 | pkol | we're on 32nm now |
| 07:45.20 | nuknfuts | you really could lol |
| 07:45.31 | heysparky | it'd be hard ot scale it down and keep the charm |
| 07:45.33 | nuknfuts | well.. 2020 is 10 years from now :P |
| 07:45.35 | nuknfuts | yeah |
| 07:45.44 | pkol | till |
| 07:45.45 | nuknfuts | you'd have to make it at a "local" level |
| 07:45.50 | nuknfuts | as in here's a slice of the world |
| 07:45.56 | nuknfuts | and here's your dwarves~ have at it |
| 07:46.25 | nuknfuts | well thats what i mean by RTS's diverging... |
| 07:46.33 | nuknfuts | SC2 is built around multiplayer competition |
| 07:46.42 | nuknfuts | other RTS's are built around other features now etc. |
| 07:47.10 | pkol | cause they can't do starcraft better than starcraft |
| 07:47.12 | heysparky | what RTSes aren't built for MP? |
| 07:47.18 | FrozenFirebat1 | well i'm glad blizzard hasn't changed their formula... cause C&C4 was terribad |
| 07:47.18 | pkol | they need gimmicks to sell |
| 07:47.41 | pkol | DOW "OMG GUYS BUY ME, I HAVE LIKE 12 UNBALANCED AS FUCK RACES!" |
| 07:47.56 | rrowland | Wow, so this bug is amazingly awesome |
| 07:48.01 | rrowland | If I delete this skill |
| 07:48.11 | rrowland | Even though I've removed it from my hero |
| 07:48.28 | rrowland | When I issue a move command, upon reaching it, my hero will cast the deleted skill every 0.0 seconds |
| 07:48.39 | FrozenFirebat1 | lmao |
| 07:48.53 | FrozenFirebat1 | crash? |
| 07:49.04 | nuknfuts | i dont even bother with EA's creations now |
| 07:49.06 | rrowland | Extreme lag obviously |
| 07:49.23 | nuknfuts | the original DoW/COH engine was pretty damn good though |
| 07:49.24 | rrowland | I guess I'm not allowed to delete this skill |
| 07:49.28 | nuknfuts | it was obviously geared around single player though |
| 07:49.35 | pkol | CoH was a great game actually |
| 07:49.38 | pkol | i enjoyed it |
| 07:49.43 | nuknfuts | yeah at the engine level |
| 07:49.50 | nuknfuts | its possibly superior to SC2's... not in terms of customization |
| 07:49.52 | nuknfuts | but in unit AI/environment interaction |
| 07:50.01 | pkol | yeah |
| 07:50.04 | nuknfuts | if that game had SC2's killer customization / editor, it wouldve been ridiculous |
| 07:50.06 | heysparky | CoH was great |
| 07:50.20 | heysparky | Normandy... BEST TUTORIAL SCENARIO EVER |
| 07:50.29 | heysparky | (I know, I know, there was bootcamp) |
| 07:50.30 | nuknfuts | i stlil dread that hill missoin |
| 07:50.41 | nuknfuts | getting shelled with 5 mins left was insane |
| 07:50.42 | heysparky | Carentan was my achilles heel |
| 07:50.42 | pkol | should have dumped DoW and make CoH |
| 07:50.47 | nuknfuts | i was like crap ive got 3 units left.... shit shit shit |
| 07:50.53 | pkol | haha i remember that |
| 07:51.09 | pkol | apparently the latest CoH expansion is very good single player wise |
| 07:51.15 | pkol | i havn't played it |
| 07:51.15 | nuknfuts | yeah tales of valor |
| 07:51.21 | nuknfuts | i havent checked it out but they introduced new modes etc |
| 07:51.53 | pkol | too busy playing wow heh |
| 07:52.08 | nuknfuts | i might be the only person who played WoW at beta and managed to quit within a year :P |
| 07:52.16 | pkol | only thing that could get me off wow, was sc2 :P |
| 07:52.18 | nuknfuts | that was what... 6 years ago now? |
| 07:52.26 | nuknfuts | damn time flies by fast |
| 07:52.37 | nuknfuts | but yeah, i played since closed beta lol... |
| 07:52.44 | nuknfuts | god i hope blizzard FINALLY learned their lesson about servers on relesae day |
| 07:52.47 | FrozenFirebat1 | because you didn't like it, nuknfuts, or because you don't care for the MMO genre? |
| 07:52.58 | nuknfuts | oh i played MMOs a lot, been playing since UO actually |
| 07:53.05 | nuknfuts | i just ended up deciding i didnt want it to consume my life any further lol |
| 07:53.08 | nuknfuts | i picked up drinking instead :) |
| 07:53.10 | FrozenFirebat1 | lol... ya... I didn't loot anything for the first week WOW came out |
| 07:53.23 | nuknfuts | yah i thought D2 was bad enough |
| 07:53.31 | nuknfuts | but WoW made me wonder what they even learned from the Stress Test |
| 07:53.54 | FrozenFirebat1 | that 100k people can be a bit laggy... they didn't expect 3 million sales in the first day tho |
| 07:53.57 | pkol | you should have seen when they released TBC |
| 07:54.16 | heysparky | lol |
| 07:54.18 | pkol | they had the WHOLE server in one zone |
| 07:54.25 | pkol | pretty much |
| 07:54.28 | heysparky | I recall that |
| 07:54.31 | heysparky | lots of skating |
| 07:54.38 | pkol | they were actually pretty stable |
| 07:54.42 | pkol | at least mine was |
| 07:54.42 | FrozenFirebat1 | that's why WOTLK had 2 starting zones |
| 07:54.50 | pkol | but shit there was alot of people |
| 07:55.00 | Clord | MMORPG games are not yet very well coded for that "massive" part when it literally means thousands of people in one area |
| 07:55.07 | nuknfuts | yeah |
| 07:55.24 | nuknfuts | WoWs system amplified it too, since each part of the world = one zone |
| 07:55.28 | FrozenFirebat1 | EQ used to have hundreds in one spot and that was bad at the time |
| 07:55.36 | pkol | opening of the AQ gates world event |
| 07:55.36 | FrozenFirebat1 | used to have to fight while looking at my shoes |
| 07:55.37 | nuknfuts | i remember with EQ2, they split up places into zones, so you could instance the new areas on release day |
| 07:55.48 | pkol | i think almost every sever went down at one stage |
| 07:55.49 | nuknfuts | haha EQ was one great experience |
| 07:55.53 | nuknfuts | its kinda sad theyll never have another EQ |
| 07:56.06 | FrozenFirebat1 | nuknfuts, aion did the same thing with zones on release |
| 07:56.11 | nuknfuts | it was literally a graphical MUD |
| 07:56.21 | Clord | MMO companies deal with launches in form of long queues ;) |
| 07:56.24 | nuknfuts | didn't know you played EQ FrozenFirebat1 lol |
| 07:56.54 | FrozenFirebat1 | yeah... raided all the content up until wow came out pretty much |
| 07:57.16 | Motive | the problem with so many people in one zone is that every action has to be sent to every player in range, and it becomes exponential. :/ |
| 07:57.25 | heysparky | damn you nukfuts and your dwarf fortress mod idea |
| 07:57.46 | nuknfuts | theyre working on the algorithms for it |
| 07:57.47 | nuknfuts | lol |
| 07:57.51 | nuknfuts | im thinking about it too |
| 07:58.25 | nuknfuts | it'll be Dwarf Fortress Lite |
| 07:58.25 | heysparky | working in the Z would be hard... would have to be several versions back |
| 07:58.38 | heysparky | lol |
| 07:58.40 | heysparky | so great |
| 07:58.53 | Clord | maybe in future they figure out like..... ignore most players in zone if there is tons in x range.... expect party members |
| 07:58.55 | nuknfuts | its like sorry we can't be as in depth as Dwarf Fortress, but hey look shiny graphics! |
| 07:59.08 | nuknfuts | well they've tried fixing the issue by instancing more things Clord |
| 07:59.10 | heysparky | how well would that play to DF fans, really? |
| 07:59.26 | nuknfuts | true but i figure it's SC2's crowd we should worry about :P |
| 07:59.34 | Clord | what I like about WoW that it is hardly instanced... |
| 07:59.35 | nuknfuts | w/ a multiplayer twist |
| 07:59.41 | Clord | other than obvious like dungeons |
| 07:59.53 | nuknfuts | i prefer non instanced myself |
| 07:59.56 | nuknfuts | then again im partial to EQ lol |
| 08:00.02 | nuknfuts | oh god, fighting over raid content was the best |
| 08:00.03 | FrozenFirebat1 | Camp check |
| 08:00.14 | nuknfuts | esp. since i played on PvP servers most of my career |
| 08:00.44 | FrozenFirebat1 | There was a Guild Rotation site on my server that all the raiding guilds were a part of besides mine. |
| 08:00.46 | nuknfuts | those early MMO days were awesome though... creating new terms like mob, kite, etc. which all became common today |
| 08:00.46 | Clord | must be feel great to call it "career" |
| 08:00.47 | Clord | lol |
| 08:01.05 | nuknfuts | yeah its kinda cool and shameful at the same time lol |
| 08:01.39 | FrozenFirebat1 | Remember how broken Bards were for years, nuknfuts? |
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| 08:01.52 | FrozenFirebat1 | they didn't fix them until 4 or 5 expansions in |
| 08:01.52 | nuknfuts | they actually got "fixed" i heard |
| 08:02.00 | nuknfuts | and every patch broke em further |
| 08:02.16 | Clord | reminds of my "career experience" system... play any of my map and it adds career experience... and then it is shown off others in any of my multiplayer maps |
| 08:02.27 | nuknfuts | there were great bugs, i remember my friend used to charm animals in western wastes and have them attack dragons, which would cause the dragon to assist the mob later and summon players to their death |
| 08:02.29 | FrozenFirebat1 | yeah... Let me Snare all mobs in a radius, Increase my movement speed, and do a Unlimited target AE spell. |
| 08:02.32 | FrozenFirebat1 | and just run in circles kiting |
| 08:02.41 | nuknfuts | Kiting was unintentional haha |
| 08:02.50 | heysparky | nukfuts> SCV cancels task: interrupted by zergling |
| 08:02.59 | nuknfuts | that game was the ultimate unintentional |
| 08:03.17 | nuknfuts | that was one thing about EQ though that i loved that WoW and newer MMOs miss... |
| 08:03.20 | nuknfuts | that strange character |
| 08:03.28 | nuknfuts | where its like i know this is stupid and it sucks, but ill never forget it |
| 08:03.32 | Clord | I didn't got monthy fee MMO genre until WoW came as it was first what met some kind standards |
| 08:03.40 | rrowland | God damn, I finally fixed all of the data editor's wacky ass problems |
| 08:03.44 | rrowland | I deserve some ice cream |
| 08:03.44 | nuknfuts | like getting owned by Dorn B'Dynn |
| 08:03.49 | nuknfuts | or those madmen in the desert |
| 08:03.58 | FrozenFirebat1 | lol |
| 08:03.59 | Arrowmaster | nuknfuts: mob isnt from MMO's its from MUD's |
| 08:04.01 | Clord | plus naturally... WoW was advertised to me |
| 08:04.02 | heysparky | nice rrowland |
| 08:04.03 | Clord | while others not |
| 08:04.12 | FrozenFirebat1 | I remember abusing the Plane of Mischief with my druid |
| 08:04.16 | FrozenFirebat1 | and they never fixed it |
| 08:04.18 | nuknfuts | good call arrow, i forgot about that... |
| 08:04.20 | FrozenFirebat1 | just banned people who got caught |
| 08:04.26 | nuknfuts | they carried it over though since mmos were the graphical muds of the day :P |
| 08:04.55 | Clord | and to add btw to that MOB term.... typically lowest scum to kill in RPG game is bandits, thiefs etc |
| 08:04.58 | nuknfuts | WoW definitely had more standards... its a Blizzard game after all |
| 08:05.42 | Arrowmaster | mob = mobile object |
| 08:05.44 | nuknfuts | and RPGs go back to D&D which goes back to Tolkien which goes back to history and folklore :P |
| 08:05.45 | Clord | I bought it back in 2005... lost interst quickly.... came back few years later |
| 08:05.47 | Clord | and got hooked |
| 08:06.00 | Motive | I never liked WoW. It's kind of funny. |
| 08:06.06 | Motive | From patch 0.11.0 I just liked emulating it. |
| 08:06.07 | nuknfuts | thats kinda why sci-fi MMOs and games never picked up... |
| 08:06.17 | Motive | Never actually playing it. |
| 08:06.25 | nuknfuts | like Alpha Centauri was exactly Civ 2 but set in the future w/ a few tweaks... and it wasnt nearly as popular |
| 08:06.41 | Clord | well.. current popular space SCI-FI game is not exactly WoW player friendly |
| 08:06.46 | Arrowmaster | i think i have that somewhere |
| 08:06.50 | heysparky | I think Scifi is too 'close' to real life |
| 08:06.54 | Arrowmaster | i could never figure out how to play it |
| 08:07.10 | FrozenFirebat1 | Eve Online is actually rather popular now that it includes a tutorial... being so complicated and all |
| 08:07.15 | heysparky | and doesn't resonate wiht fantasy/folklore imprints we all carry around |
| 08:07.18 | heysparky | dragons etc |
| 08:07.32 | Clord | civilization series and alpha centauri is bit connected... in civilization iv one of possible objectives is to get means to travel tehre |
| 08:07.34 | Clord | there... |
| 08:07.42 | heysparky | because wtf is that disgusting alien creature? I dunno, kill it |
| 08:07.47 | Skizot | QUESTION |
| 08:07.47 | heysparky | you have to learn everything |
| 08:07.57 | heysparky | Starwars approaches that level of mythic resonance |
| 08:08.07 | Skizot | anyone know how to turn off the "jump to where you ally was attacked when you press space bug? |
| 08:08.07 | heysparky | though the games are ... not what they should be |
| 08:08.09 | nuknfuts | exactly... |
| 08:08.16 | nuknfuts | fantasy and historical games are easy to comprehend |
| 08:08.20 | nuknfuts | cause we all have at least an inkling of it |
| 08:08.33 | nuknfuts | like civilization, i might not be literate, but i have an idea what its about :P |
| 08:08.45 | nuknfuts | but alpha centauri... build fusion phase gun... err what? |
| 08:08.51 | Clord | yeah my japanese shall rule the map! |
| 08:09.10 | Clord | lol |
| 08:09.14 | nuknfuts | star wars... im hoping BioWare's The Old Republic lives up to the hype |
| 08:09.26 | nuknfuts | if anyones going to pull it off it would be BioWare though |
| 08:10.04 | Arrowmaster | needs to bug friend again for alpha invite |
| 08:10.13 | nuknfuts | lucky |
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| 08:10.16 | Clord | I gotta say... ligthsabers + rpg = not that exciting mechanic... unless they pause it sometimes to pick next move while they slash |
| 08:10.18 | Clord | ^^ |
| 08:10.32 | nuknfuts | something like Rogues in wow |
| 08:10.37 | nuknfuts | add in combos |
| 08:10.39 | nuknfuts | and unique animations etc |
| 08:10.47 | FrozenFirebat1 | the japaneese will rule the world, clord... They will soften us up first by introducing a product to destroy our minds... call it Nintendo... or something... and then introduce something addictive and bad for you to make you more dosile... Call it Pepsi... I know it might be an american product, but look at the name... It HAS to be Japaneese... Then when we are all fat and stupid... taking over the world will be easy. |
| 08:11.09 | nuknfuts | i mean who doesnt want a dual wielding jedi being able to do all sorts of moves~ |
| 08:11.09 | Arrowmaster | have you watched the recent videos for swtor on gametrailers.com? |
| 08:11.14 | Clord | with their superior humanoid robot army |
| 08:11.14 | nuknfuts | sadly thats what everyone will do |
| 08:11.21 | nuknfuts | no i havent... what should i look for? |
| 08:11.37 | nuknfuts | i actually hoped they would have allowed us to play bounty hunter droids.... /sigh HK-47! |
| 08:11.54 | Clord | star wars got poor timing terms of technology it was made |
| 08:12.06 | Clord | it makes then robots look so useless and dumb |
| 08:12.16 | Clord | then episode 1 robots suddenly are way more advanced |
| 08:12.38 | FrozenFirebat1 | R2D2 was a badass, I donno what your talking about Clord |
| 08:12.55 | Clord | C3-PO or whatever.... that guy could use some better movement not to look robot of technology before ep1 |
| 08:12.59 | Clord | ^^ |
| 08:13.20 | Arrowmaster | http://www.gametrailers.com/video/exclusive-combat-star-wars/64689 |
| 08:13.21 | Arrowmaster | this one |
| 08:13.36 | FrozenFirebat1 | C3PO was built by a little boy... not to be confused with Android War Machines built in factories by Huge Companies |
| 08:13.56 | Clord | then again it is odd that once he became jedi he never upgraded that robot |
| 08:13.57 | nuknfuts | its funny half hte technology in Star Wars original trilogy |
| 08:13.59 | Clord | XD |
| 08:14.01 | nuknfuts | we already have better versoins of |
| 08:14.09 | FrozenFirebat1 | XD |
| 08:14.11 | Clord | same with aliens universe |
| 08:14.17 | Arrowmaster | lies |
| 08:14.17 | nuknfuts | yeah lol |
| 08:14.19 | nuknfuts | they still run DOS |
| 08:14.22 | nuknfuts | on their computers |
| 08:14.31 | Clord | and their weaponry can track movement! |
| 08:14.39 | Arrowmaster | i dont have a cargo loader mec yet |
| 08:14.40 | Clord | we already have that and no need two hands to handle |
| 08:14.45 | Clord | I mean |
| 08:14.47 | Clord | tracking gun |
| 08:15.08 | Clord | lol some make tracking guns home made |
| 08:15.59 | Clord | I guess this is just that marines typically are poorly equipped |
| 08:16.05 | Clord | and considering their travelling takes hundreds of years |
| 08:16.12 | Clord | when they arrive they use hundreds of years old technology |
| 08:16.21 | FrozenFirebat1 | Well look at Battlestar Galactica (the new one even), Nukes and Bullets... that's all they had... You'd figure by that point they would have Plasma Weapons... Firing Super-heated mass at 0.9999~ * lightspeed |
| 08:16.48 | pkol | New BSG was in the past though firebat |
| 08:16.51 | pkol | :P |
| 08:17.09 | Arrowmaster | old BSG was in the past too |
| 08:17.21 | pkol | wassn't it more |
| 08:17.22 | pkol | present |
| 08:17.26 | pkol | when it was made anyway |
| 08:17.29 | Arrowmaster | maybe |
| 08:17.41 | pkol | cause they arrive at 19080s earth |
| 08:17.42 | Clord | they can use easy excuse.... when they have limited supply... I would guess they didn't got much high tech stuff with them |
| 08:17.46 | heysparky | don't need more than bullets to kill a person |
| 08:17.47 | pkol | 1980s* |
| 08:17.54 | heysparky | plasma doesn't make em any deaders |
| 08:18.01 | heysparky | just less.. uh... recognizable |
| 08:18.10 | FrozenFirebat1 | I don't remember neanderthols roaming around in the 1980s, pkol |
| 08:18.13 | FrozenFirebat1 | ohh wait |
| 08:18.16 | pkol | old |
| 08:18.18 | pkol | bsg |
| 08:18.50 | Clord | battlestar galactica.. take some random street and blurry it so that sign in background are unreadable |
| 08:18.58 | Clord | and make actor run |
| 08:19.04 | Clord | then do some five dollar robot animations |
| 08:19.10 | nuknfuts | damnit Arrowmaster... that trailer is getting my hopes up |
| 08:19.34 | nuknfuts | i love the "its not very heroic when its multiple people beating up on one target" |
| 08:19.50 | Clord | but useful |
| 08:19.54 | Clord | and you win |
| 08:19.58 | pkol | i like tor is good |
| 08:20.04 | pkol | i loved kotor |
| 08:20.08 | pkol | and II |
| 08:20.11 | pkol | people didnt like II |
| 08:20.13 | pkol | but i did |
| 08:20.51 | Clord | those jedi master or whatever games got nice combat AI for other jedis/siths |
| 08:21.59 | nuknfuts | well i trust BioWare |
| 08:22.05 | nuknfuts | theyre really good at making encounters where you BARELY make it out |
| 08:22.13 | nuknfuts | and only through some smart positioning and luck |
| 08:22.23 | nuknfuts | like i dont know if any of you guys played Baldurs Gate I/II, etc. |
| 08:22.28 | nuknfuts | or more recently DA:O |
| 08:23.59 | nuknfuts | i stlil say the greatest selling MMO of all time though... would be a Pokemon MMO |
| 08:24.25 | pkol | honestly suprised there isn't one yet |
| 08:24.48 | nuknfuts | the entire gameplay is literally mmo-ready..... and its a $$$$$$ cash cow |
| 08:24.59 | rrowland | It's a cash cow BECAUSE it's not an mmo |
| 08:25.11 | rrowland | If you didn't need a copy of every $20-50 pokemon game ever made |
| 08:25.15 | rrowland | It would make like 1/10 the cash |
| 08:25.24 | nuknfuts | i dunno... you charge people $10/mo |
| 08:25.29 | nuknfuts | and release an expansion every year |
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| 08:25.38 | nuknfuts | id say you can make more than $20-50 every year |
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| 08:27.44 | heysparky | I play BG and DA on easy |
| 08:27.48 | heysparky | ... |
| 08:27.56 | heysparky | well, most games |
| 08:28.09 | nuknfuts | lol |
| 08:28.12 | rrowland2 | DA was too easy :( |
| 08:28.15 | rrowland2 | Wait |
| 08:28.17 | rrowland2 | What's DA |
| 08:28.18 | nuknfuts | they had to tone down normal mode |
| 08:28.20 | nuknfuts | dragona ge |
| 08:28.22 | heysparky | Dragon Age |
| 08:28.23 | nuknfuts | age* |
| 08:28.24 | rrowland2 | Okay yea |
| 08:28.27 | rrowland2 | DA was too easy |
| 08:28.28 | rrowland2 | :( |
| 08:28.33 | heysparky | It was pretty easy |
| 08:28.35 | nuknfuts | if you played mage and wtfpwned everything |
| 08:28.41 | rrowland2 | Yeah |
| 08:28.44 | nuknfuts | try starting the game as a warrior on insane... oops! |
| 08:28.44 | rrowland2 | I played the hardest mode |
| 08:28.49 | rrowland2 | All I had to do was get 2 mages |
| 08:28.49 | Clord | Pokemon MMO would be indeed cash cow... when you add collect them all spam |
| 08:28.57 | Clord | talk about hooked kids |
| 08:28.57 | rrowland2 | Both had AoE freeze and then the earth fist |
| 08:29.07 | rrowland2 | So right away I disabled their entire team and killed 2 instantly |
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| 08:29.34 | Clord | let's say there would be 500 pokemon types to collect and even then would have different quality... perfectionists would be hooked for years |
| 08:29.41 | rrowland2 | Yep |
| 08:29.47 | rrowland2 | Putting the breeding system in? |
| 08:29.48 | rrowland2 | loool |
| 08:29.54 | nuknfuts | and taking time... lols |
| 08:30.09 | nuknfuts | breeding + hatching things |
| 08:30.14 | nuknfuts | and then you add in a pet system |
| 08:30.20 | nuknfuts | kids would quite elementary school |
| 08:30.21 | nuknfuts | quit,* |
| 08:30.22 | rrowland | lol |
| 08:30.28 | rrowland | I won't lie |
| 08:30.30 | rrowland | I might play it |
| 08:30.33 | Clord | lol some added realism... aka pokemons has some random stats added and reduced to make them persons |
| 08:30.49 | nuknfuts | i probably would too lol |
| 08:31.00 | nuknfuts | i never thought of pokemon as mmo style play til i saw my little cousin playing it |
| 08:31.09 | nuknfuts | then i was like... wow thats exactly how mmos are laid out today |
| 08:31.25 | Clord | oh and don't forget brain dead combat system |
| 08:31.28 | nuknfuts | just add in other real players and battle~ |
| 08:31.36 | Clord | you have pokemon and four attack choices... or switch pokemon |
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| 08:31.40 | nuknfuts | that too lol |
| 08:31.53 | nuknfuts | but hey with 100000000 pokemon the possibilties are endless! |
| 08:32.02 | Clord | too bad most of them are useless |
| 08:32.23 | Clord | combat system is too basic to make them that different from each other |
| 08:32.29 | Clord | but that game is made for kids |
| 08:32.42 | pkol | METAPOD: USE HARDEN! |
| 08:32.52 | rrowland | There are "grown" adults who play the game competitively |
| 08:32.53 | nuknfuts | god |
| 08:32.54 | rrowland | I'm talking like |
| 08:32.58 | rrowland | 30 years old here |
| 08:33.08 | nuknfuts | yah |
| 08:33.13 | rrowland | And it's basically the leased balanced game |
| 08:33.16 | rrowland | I've ever played |
| 08:33.19 | rrowland | least* |
| 08:33.37 | Clord | well.. entire combat could be automated besides every turn asking if want switch pokemon |
| 08:33.46 | Clord | because it is obvious what is best attack |
| 08:34.38 | nuknfuts | i remember there being pokemon maps in sc1 lols |
| 08:34.49 | nuknfuts | actually the fondest old map i remember was the magic the gathering maps |
| 08:34.57 | nuknfuts | they had nothing to do with magic the gathering, cept the unit names |
| 08:35.00 | nuknfuts | but hey it was killer |
| 08:35.13 | Clord | I kinda like that catching idea so I attempted to make monster catching map with tons of different levels in each monster type |
| 08:35.14 | Clord | but meh |
| 08:35.23 | Clord | I probably implement it with SCII zergs somepoint |
| 08:35.42 | Clord | banks storing system makes it rather easier |
| 08:36.13 | nuknfuts | i havnet looked at banks but from what i understand,banks is a way for data to be stored between multiplayer games? |
| 08:36.37 | Clord | yeah |
| 08:36.41 | Clord | it stores variables and even units |
| 08:36.43 | Clord | ^^ |
| 08:37.00 | nuknfuts | universal or by player name? |
| 08:37.11 | Clord | you specify key and category |
| 08:37.15 | Clord | so you can store tons |
| 08:37.19 | heysparky | who was it that wanted to standardize the data so that data could be shared between different mappers' maps? |
| 08:37.29 | heysparky | a meta data |
| 08:37.40 | Clord | I probably didn't get what they was talking about |
| 08:37.57 | Clord | because I assumed it is some kind rank tracking stuff |
| 08:38.00 | nuknfuts | how would you store different units/items across different mappers? |
| 08:38.02 | nuknfuts | err maps* |
| 08:38.28 | nuknfuts | i think teh best use of banks anyways is to have multiple maps all running the same mod |
| 08:38.46 | nuknfuts | which is why i push people to use data editor first before triggers |
| 08:39.18 | Clord | banks are used via triggers so no idea what you mean |
| 08:39.20 | Clord | lol |
| 08:39.45 | nuknfuts | no no i mean for effects |
| 08:39.48 | nuknfuts | and so on |
| 08:40.02 | nuknfuts | cause you can import data from data editor a lot easier than from triggers ;) |
| 08:40.28 | Clord | oh right since there is two ways now to do spells etc... data or triggers |
| 08:40.30 | Clord | lol |
| 08:40.44 | nuknfuts | exactly |
| 08:40.52 | nuknfuts | half of wc3s awesome spells were trigger run... if unit casts this, do x |
| 08:40.57 | heysparky | the thought was that if mappers used a set of variables in common, stuff could be shared from map to map |
| 08:41.00 | heysparky | a form of persistence |
| 08:41.14 | nuknfuts | hmm what kind of stuff? |
| 08:41.29 | heysparky | so if I earn a thing in my map I can use it on any map that shares those data types |
| 08:41.37 | nuknfuts | id assume each map would have to have that particular unique item also created? |
| 08:42.05 | heysparky | I don't know what the idea was, just that someone was talking about it |
| 08:42.31 | heysparky | but I think he mentioned earning a santa hat... which made my brain powerdown |
| 08:42.55 | Clord | my maps look unorganized mess for mappers but as far I know I have no intention to make my maps as tutorials |
| 08:43.21 | Clord | or even openable of that matter mostly |
| 08:43.58 | Clord | I use my own memory greatly to know where is what |
| 08:44.03 | Clord | so I'm not really organizer type |
| 08:44.53 | nuknfuts | my complex maps i dont bother |
| 08:44.59 | nuknfuts | but the coder inside me makes everything neat anyways :P |
| 08:45.06 | nuknfuts | i used to comment the hell out of my code back in school |
| 08:45.15 | nuknfuts | i probably wrote more essays inside a C++ file than i did outside |
| 08:45.57 | nuknfuts | of course, we dont even know how maps will publish... |
| 08:46.04 | nuknfuts | like if we can even open maps other players put on b.net |
| 08:46.13 | nuknfuts | without them hosting it externally |
| 08:46.28 | rrowland | Got about 4k lines of trigger code on this map so far, I think I'm doing a pretty good job at organization still :P |
| 08:46.36 | Lyrrad | My last job we hardly used any comments, the theory was if it had to be explained by a comment it was bad code and should be rewritten so that a comment wasn't needed |
| 08:46.37 | rrowland | I like to make everything I do modular |
| 08:46.44 | Clord | we know that published maps are protected |
| 08:46.52 | heysparky | ...really Lrrad? |
| 08:47.00 | Clord | you need to hack something to get them open |
| 08:47.08 | Lyrrad | yep, it actually worked quite well |
| 08:47.42 | rrowland | I bet you used a lot of constants then |
| 08:47.53 | Clord | I don't bother with comments in my maps as.... you know XD |
| 08:47.58 | Clord | why I would need comment for myself |
| 08:48.07 | pkol | what if you hit your head |
| 08:48.08 | Clord | I'm one who does map |
| 08:48.09 | rrowland | It makes things look neater |
| 08:48.13 | pkol | and get amesia |
| 08:48.21 | rrowland | When you're looking through your giant mass of code |
| 08:48.27 | rrowland | You see nice green text saying |
| 08:48.33 | rrowland | "What you're looking for is here" |
| 08:48.36 | nuknfuts | thats pretty cool Lyrrad |
| 08:48.36 | Clord | I have my maps in my long term memory |
| 08:48.45 | Clord | I don't need comments unless I hit my head |
| 08:48.50 | Clord | XD |
| 08:48.55 | pkol | and if you do? |
| 08:49.00 | nuknfuts | it makes sense though sometimes i wonder wth people are tihnking |
| 08:49.33 | pkol | but yeah |
| 08:49.34 | Clord | my estimated IQ is somewhere... 140 by official testing thing.. my brothers are around same |
| 08:49.39 | Lyrrad | Through good choices for variable names and function names(and keep functions fairly small) you can large do without comments |
| 08:49.42 | Clord | I remember what I want easily |
| 08:50.26 | pkol | 140? get off wow and go cure cancer |
| 08:50.49 | pkol | wow? |
| 08:50.50 | Clord | of course when I learn languages etc I need repeat word multiple times over time but once I get it to long term memory... voila ^^ when I see word in context I know what it is obviously |
| 08:50.51 | pkol | wow |
| 08:50.52 | pkol | i mean sc2 |
| 08:51.41 | nuknfuts | thats how i learn too |
| 08:51.44 | Clord | high IQ comes with great laziness |
| 08:51.49 | Clord | XD |
| 08:51.50 | nuknfuts | like i always attended classes to write shit down to remember |
| 08:51.58 | nuknfuts | even if i didnt need the notes, i still wrote it down and it was stuck in my head |
| 08:52.05 | nuknfuts | amen Clord |
| 08:52.10 | nuknfuts | you reach that point where you realize... |
| 08:52.17 | nuknfuts | hey i can do 90% of the work with 10% of the effort, forget the other 10% :P |
| 08:52.37 | Lyrrad | nuk - damn straight |
| 08:52.49 | nuknfuts | its awful when i tell undergrads that my mantra was: "get the most out of the least possible you have to do" |
| 08:52.50 | Clord | in here finland... 4/10 is fail.. 10/10 is best score... I got from ATK or whatever it is called 10/10 |
| 08:52.58 | Clord | doing some basic programming |
| 08:53.04 | Clord | with visual basic >_> |
| 08:53.05 | heysparky | 80/20 is the typical ratio |
| 08:53.11 | heysparky | the 20 is where the polish is :) |
| 08:53.18 | heysparky | and the hard, tedious stuff |
| 08:53.26 | heysparky | (hard because it's tedious) |
| 08:53.28 | nuknfuts | i read polish as poland polish cause he just said finland |
| 08:53.53 | rrowland | Ooooh can we compare IQs |
| 08:53.57 | rrowland | My IQ penis is huge |
| 08:54.01 | Clord | XD |
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| 08:54.12 | liq3 | Anyone here use a stand up desk? |
| 08:54.21 | Clord | my primary language is Finnish, my secondary is English and my third what I try to learn is Japanese |
| 08:54.21 | nuknfuts | ive been looking into one |
| 08:54.23 | rrowland | I'm using a lie down desk |
| 08:54.40 | nuknfuts | rrowland... a true innovator |
| 08:54.54 | rrowland | Next week I'm going to build an on-the-toilet desk |
| 08:55.08 | Lyrrad | Wireless Mouse and keyboard so I don't have to even sit at the desk |
| 08:55.23 | rrowland | It's going to have a fridge and microwave in place of the drawers |
| 08:55.31 | liq3 | Lyrrad: where you sit? |
| 08:56.11 | heysparky | I typically work at an architect-style drawing board |
| 08:56.13 | Lyrrad | Usually at my desk(my computer chair is by far the most comfortable) but other times in front of the TV |
| 08:56.32 | heysparky | house guest is in the office/guest room |
| 08:56.53 | nuknfuts | wi-fi was teh greatest bathroom invention ever |
| 08:57.10 | heysparky | so I'm at the kitchen table.. that's a standup desk, but I rarely stand at it |
| 08:57.14 | liq3 | Heh. Turns out best way to work at a PC health wise is standding up. :D |
| 08:57.28 | liq3 | actually any desk work full stop is best done standing up. :/ |
| 08:57.56 | Lyrrad | You mean leaning back in a reclining chair with your feet on the top of the desk isn;t good? |
| 08:57.56 | nuknfuts | http://www.marksdailyapple.com/standing-at-work/ |
| 08:58.00 | nuknfuts | i was actually reading that today |
| 08:58.10 | liq3 | Lyrrad: Sadly so. |
| 08:58.11 | nuknfuts | so this is very coincidental lol |
| 08:58.16 | liq3 | haha. |
| 08:58.27 | nuknfuts | that page talks about it pretty good |
| 08:58.35 | liq3 | Yeh I'm gonna buy an adjustable desk. $1500. Gotta wait for that damn ash cloud in Europe to pass before they'll ship it though. :( |
| 08:58.50 | nuknfuts | well if nothing else, standing at work will solve back problems that something like 50% of all westerners have |
| 08:58.52 | nuknfuts | if not more |
| 08:58.57 | Lyrrad | well I think I will stay sitting in my comfy chair, screw standing 8 hours a day |
| 08:58.58 | liq3 | haha yeh. |
| 08:59.19 | liq3 | I'm one of those lazy bums that sits at his PC all day. I can barley stand for 2 hours before I get too tired. :( |
| 08:59.31 | liq3 | I figure a standing desk is the closest thing i'll get to exercise. |
| 08:59.51 | Lyrrad | Well before I got layed off I would bike to work 4 days a week |
| 08:59.52 | liq3 | Lyrrad: My Goal is it be spending 14+ hours a day. :D |
| 08:59.55 | liq3 | standing* |
| 09:00.09 | nuknfuts | hey i dont call it laid off, i call it funemployment |
| 09:00.12 | nuknfuts | and damn it was fun for me lol |
| 09:00.13 | liq3 | Lyrrad: it's not enough. 30 minutes of biking doesn't counter 8 hours of sitting. |
| 09:00.42 | liq3 | has only ever had one job... had... ;D |
| 09:00.44 | Lyrrad | well it was 15 minutes to work and 45 minutes back from work |
| 09:00.52 | liq3 | still isn't enough. :D |
| 09:01.01 | nuknfuts | its kinda amazing actually how few calories you burn |
| 09:01.03 | nuknfuts | by laying down |
| 09:01.04 | liq3 | The 8 hours of sitting is still bad for you, and badly outweighs the 60 min bike. |
| 09:01.13 | liq3 | nuknfuts: eh? |
| 09:01.20 | nuknfuts | i mean the difference |
| 09:01.25 | Lyrrad | well sitting down is more funner |
| 09:01.27 | liq3 | I dunno what it is. |
| 09:01.28 | nuknfuts | between sitting in a bed all day vs. walking |
| 09:01.38 | liq3 | Lyrrad: actually most people seems to enjoy standing up more. |
| 09:01.39 | nuknfuts | for a 165 lb male age 25 or so |
| 09:01.42 | rrowland | Even if you live a sedimentary lifestyle laying in bed doing nothing for 24 hours a day |
| 09:01.46 | nuknfuts | i think its anywhere from 300-500 calories |
| 09:01.49 | rrowland | You still burn over 2000 calories |
| 09:01.56 | liq3 | I got a bunch of books and propper all my computer stuff up for a few hours. I liked it much more then sitting. :D |
| 09:01.56 | nuknfuts | between sedentary and mild activity |
| 09:02.11 | nuknfuts | i dont recall what it is but your heart rate goes up by 10 or so just by standing |
| 09:02.16 | nuknfuts | and over 8 hours that equals a certain # of calories |
| 09:02.39 | liq3 | Thing is, I bet most people in here can't even stand for 8 hours a day. |
| 09:02.44 | nuknfuts | i spent the last year becoming a nutrition freak :P |
| 09:02.45 | liq3 | Which imo is really unfit. |
| 09:02.51 | nuknfuts | well... its like how squatting |
| 09:02.54 | nuknfuts | is the natural position for humans |
| 09:02.59 | liq3 | nuknfuts: i'm vegan. xD |
| 09:03.00 | nuknfuts | we all did it as babies but suddenly forgot how.. |
| 09:03.04 | Lyrrad | I often pace when I am think, so I guess I don't sit down all the time |
| 09:03.18 | nuknfuts | nice |
| 09:03.47 | liq3 | eh I doubt squatting is the naturual position. |
| 09:03.51 | liq3 | It's extremely uncomfortable. |
| 09:03.56 | liq3 | And VERY tiring. |
| 09:04.00 | nuknfuts | it is... for westerners |
| 09:04.03 | nuknfuts | but heres the thing |
| 09:04.10 | nuknfuts | look at toddlers in a playground |
| 09:04.10 | Lyrrad | yeah, squatting is much worse then standing |
| 09:04.13 | liq3 | It's like 5x more tiring then standing at least. |
| 09:04.13 | nuknfuts | they all know how to squat naturally |
| 09:04.24 | nuknfuts | its cause we're used to it |
| 09:04.28 | Lyrrad | Standing also depends on what you are standing on |
| 09:04.38 | nuknfuts | so back 20 years ago+ or so, one of the ways the police in Hong Kong |
| 09:04.41 | Lyrrad | if you are standing on grass its a lot easier then concrete |
| 09:04.45 | nuknfuts | would identify those from Hong Kong and those from mainland china |
| 09:04.48 | nuknfuts | was they'd make them squat |
| 09:04.53 | liq3 | nuknfuts: nah it's more because when you squad, all your weight goes into your muscles. STanding a lot of the weight is taken by your bones. |
| 09:04.53 | nuknfuts | the mainlanders could squat for hours on end |
| 09:05.14 | liq3 | nuknfuts: they could probably also stand for days on end. ;P |
| 09:05.44 | nuknfuts | that may be so, but squatting is the natural position for doing activities low to the ground |
| 09:05.44 | rrowland | I like how that article says sitting isn't natural; We're not designed to sit |
| 09:05.50 | nuknfuts | not bending over at the waist |
| 09:05.52 | nuknfuts | or sitting on the ground |
| 09:05.56 | liq3 | nuknfuts: well yeh sure. It's just physically less optimal energy wise. |
| 09:05.58 | rrowland | Yeah, before chairs we only had 2 modes: standing and laying down |
| 09:06.07 | rrowland | Whatever, I don't buy that lol |
| 09:06.11 | nuknfuts | of course, although id say shifting weight to the muscles isnt bad :P its how you develop them after all |
| 09:06.30 | liq3 | Yeh. Humans never used to sit before chairs. |
| 09:06.36 | nuknfuts | and squatting... look at some videos of pacific islanders / amazon jungle tribes |
| 09:06.38 | liq3 | Not volunteerly anyway. |
| 09:06.47 | Lyrrad | you could sit on the ground, or on stumps |
| 09:06.47 | nuknfuts | they dont sit ever, they squat |
| 09:06.49 | Jamash | we used to live in trees yo |
| 09:06.50 | rrowland | I'd like to see evidence supporting that |
| 09:06.57 | liq3 | Lyrrad: you could, but most humans were so fit there was no reason to. |
| 09:06.59 | rrowland | Because it's completely unintuitive thinking |
| 09:07.04 | liq3 | They can stand/walk all day and barley get tired. |
| 09:07.20 | nuknfuts | i dont think its unintuitive... |
| 09:07.21 | rrowland | Wild animals like lions are fit too |
| 09:07.25 | rrowland | But they don't stand all day |
| 09:07.27 | rrowland | They lay down |
| 09:07.28 | liq3 | they lay down. |
| 09:07.31 | Sixen | Rawr. |
| 09:07.34 | liq3 | But animals like that are lazy. :D |
| 09:07.38 | Jamash | there's a hypothesis that humans had a semiaquatic period |
| 09:07.42 | rrowland | Yeah okay, and humans weren't |
| 09:07.44 | rrowland | BEFORE CHAIRS! |
| 09:07.46 | nuknfuts | actually lately people have gotten into running barefoot for example since we're meant to run barefoot |
| 09:07.48 | rrowland | Give me a break |
| 09:07.49 | Lyrrad | My parent's cats sleep like 23 hours a day |
| 09:07.57 | liq3 | rrowland: afaiak they actually weren't... |
| 09:08.11 | liq3 | They were always doing something from my knowledge. :/ |
| 09:08.18 | nuknfuts | its not that humans didnt know how to sit |
| 09:08.20 | liq3 | even if it was just "squatting and watching for enemies" |
| 09:08.23 | rrowland | What exactly is your knowledge? |
| 09:08.26 | nuknfuts | its thta if you're out in the africa savannahs |
| 09:08.28 | liq3 | ,... not much. :D |
| 09:08.31 | nuknfuts | where are you going to sit anyways? |
| 09:08.33 | Lyrrad | I remember reading a joke, How do you know your cat is planning to take over the world? They cut back to 22 hours of sleep a day |
| 09:08.39 | rrowland | Your knowledge is "What you'd imagine"? |
| 09:08.43 | nuknfuts | look at monkeys... |
| 09:08.48 | nuknfuts | and how they act |
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| 09:09.12 | rrowland | Monkeys sit down |
| 09:09.12 | liq3 | monkies are predator. |
| 09:09.21 | liq3 | I'm mostly going by aborinigals btw. |
| 09:09.27 | liq3 | Which were effectively predators. |
| 09:09.30 | nuknfuts | they do, they also squat a hell of a lot :P |
| 09:09.37 | liq3 | aren't* |
| 09:09.57 | rrowland | So we went straight from |
| 09:10.06 | rrowland | Aboriginal predators |
| 09:10.07 | rrowland | To |
| 09:10.10 | rrowland | Inventing the chair |
| 09:10.11 | rrowland | I see |
| 09:10.25 | liq3 | rrowland: well i'm talking natives. |
| 09:10.29 | nuknfuts | i think the key actually... |
| 09:10.37 | nuknfuts | is that humans (if you believe teh earth is older than 4000 years anyways) |
| 09:10.41 | nuknfuts | have been on earth for 200,000 years |
| 09:10.47 | nuknfuts | civilization has been around for 10,000 at most |
| 09:10.52 | liq3 | You gotta remember aboriginals were still mostly naked when the english came and took over australia. |
| 09:11.06 | rrowland | Uhhh |
| 09:11.12 | rrowland | But the english had chairs |
| 09:11.15 | rrowland | Did they sit? |
| 09:11.25 | liq3 | Yes, because they'd been civilized for hundres of years already. :D |
| 09:11.31 | heysparky | monkies sit, but they sit on the ground |
| 09:11.43 | liq3 | Anyway, I dunno. |
| 09:11.50 | heysparky | I think the point of the article (good read btw) was that our 'chair posture' isn't found 'in nature' |
| 09:12.00 | nuknfuts | yeah |
| 09:12.03 | nuknfuts | and keep in mind... |
| 09:12.03 | liq3 | actually that's a good point. |
| 09:12.06 | rrowland | But the aboriginals, who are at the same stage of evolution as any other human, never sat down? |
| 09:12.06 | nuknfuts | anthropometrically |
| 09:12.07 | Jamash | pants aren't found in nature |
| 09:12.12 | Jamash | WE MUST DESTROY PANTS |
| 09:12.18 | nuknfuts | we have long legs |
| 09:12.23 | nuknfuts | most animals who sit have short legs |
| 09:12.27 | liq3 | Jamash: no one is saying destroy chairs. Go troll elsewhere. |
| 09:12.27 | nuknfuts | like pandas.. |
| 09:12.39 | Jamash | I'm not trolling |
| 09:12.44 | nuknfuts | he said pants |
| 09:13.04 | rrowland | Dogs sit. |
| 09:13.11 | rrowland | Dogs can have pretty long legs. |
| 09:13.18 | Jamash | I'm stating a philosophical objection to the existence of pants |
| 09:13.22 | liq3 | rrowland: they don't get sore backs from sitting. :p |
| 09:13.49 | rrowland | How do you know? |
| 09:13.51 | Jamash | pants are a tool that THE MAN uses to KEEP US DOWN |
| 09:14.14 | liq3 | Actually I think the problem isn't even chairs or sitting. It's 1. sitting 8+ hours a day. 2. Back rests. lets us slouch. No back rest = we need to keep our back straight. |
| 09:14.14 | Lyrrad | They don't complain about it? |
| 09:14.46 | rrowland | So when you're standing, and you're not slouching OR keeping your back straight |
| 09:14.51 | rrowland | What exactly are you doing |
| 09:15.02 | heysparky | good grief this map is hard to design |
| 09:15.04 | liq3 | relaxing. |
| 09:15.18 | rrowland | Isn't slouching relaxing your back? |
| 09:15.21 | Lyrrad | how do you stand that doesn't keep your back fairly straight? |
| 09:15.22 | liq3 | dunno. |
| 09:15.46 | rrowland | So yeah I'm gonna put my "BS" stamp on this one |
| 09:15.48 | rrowland | In my head |
| 09:15.53 | liq3 | erm, which one? |
| 09:16.03 | heysparky | I linked to the posture article and have no idea what posture is described... if it goes wiht or against what I've learned is good posture |
| 09:16.11 | nuknfuts | i dont think people naturally slouch their back |
| 09:16.18 | nuknfuts | they end up getting it from issues |
| 09:16.28 | rrowland | The whole concept that humans were never meant to sit down (Which is why we have a padded ass by the way) |
| 09:16.36 | liq3 | good postures afiak is a ruler straight back. :/ |
| 09:16.42 | nuknfuts | its not |
| 09:16.45 | nuknfuts | theres a slight curve |
| 09:16.51 | nuknfuts | im actually reading a book about it |
| 09:16.54 | nuknfuts | it has an interesting point |
| 09:16.55 | liq3 | rrowland: ah yeh. Yeh I gave up on that one. I agree humans probably naturally sit. |
| 09:16.55 | rrowland | Yeah your spine isn't naturally straight |
| 09:16.59 | nuknfuts | if you look at babies just learning to walk |
| 09:17.00 | liq3 | Chairs on the other hand! |
| 09:17.02 | liq3 | >:( |
| 09:17.02 | nuknfuts | they have it perfectly down |
| 09:17.06 | nuknfuts | years later though... it goes to hell |
| 09:17.16 | heysparky | it's nto that humans don't sit |
| 09:17.18 | heysparky | it's chair posture |
| 09:17.20 | liq3 | yep. |
| 09:17.23 | liq3 | my chair is terrible. |
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| 09:17.27 | liq3 | It FORCES me to slouch. |
| 09:17.33 | liq3 | I can't use the backrest without slouching. |
| 09:17.34 | rrowland | Are you insinuating we never sat on rocks? |
| 09:17.35 | heysparky | 90d bend and relaxed un-engaged glutes |
| 09:17.43 | heysparky | not even a little |
| 09:17.44 | nuknfuts | we did but not for 8+ hours |
| 09:17.50 | liq3 | rrowland: not a chair. I'm talkin chairs. Stools with no backrest are fine. |
| 09:17.58 | liq3 | Which are basically rocks. |
| 09:17.58 | Lyrrad | really? My chair is far more comfortable if I don't slouch |
| 09:18.02 | Clord | as far I know I can sit perfectly fine |
| 09:18.08 | Clord | XD |
| 09:18.11 | liq3 | Lyrrad: well my chair is badly desigend. :( |
| 09:18.13 | rrowland | Didn't you just say anything without a back rest forces you to straighten your back which is also bad? |
| 09:18.24 | liq3 | rrowland: uh no... Must have misread it. |
| 09:18.48 | liq3 | straight back is good. Slouching is bad. |
| 09:18.52 | Clord | I have heard that humans are not meant to walk |
| 09:18.57 | Clord | so are we meant to do anything? |
| 09:18.57 | rrowland | So I think the problem here is that liq3 and nuk have poorly designed chairs and are painting all chairs with the same brush |
| 09:18.58 | Clord | XD |
| 09:19.00 | liq3 | Most common chairs encourage or allow slouching. |
| 09:19.01 | rrowland | Tisk tisk, racists |
| 09:19.24 | liq3 | rrowland: actually I find anything except specially designed chairs allow slouching. |
| 09:19.39 | Lyrrad | Clord - What the drunk at the local bar tells you 15 drinks in doesn't count as good information |
| 09:19.40 | rrowland | Well I would hope all chairs allow slouching |
| 09:19.45 | liq3 | or even encourage it (normal couches...) |
| 09:20.05 | Jamash | humans are in an intermediate evolutionary state |
| 09:20.07 | liq3 | stools don't allow slouching. No back resct. :D |
| 09:20.28 | rrowland | Uh, what species of animal isn't? |
| 09:20.35 | Lyrrad | Everything is an intermediate state for evolution |
| 09:20.48 | nuknfuts | i have a pretty decent chair, my issue is actually i have a much longer torso |
| 09:20.49 | nuknfuts | than legs |
| 09:20.55 | nuknfuts | which makes any slouching horrible for my lower back |
| 09:20.55 | liq3 | I think he means we're adapting to the NEW environment. |
| 09:21.11 | rrowland | So in other words |
| 09:21.14 | rrowland | We're evolving |
| 09:21.14 | nuknfuts | so sitting is an active thing to keep track of |
| 09:21.17 | rrowland | Like every other animal |
| 09:21.30 | rrowland | Except the ones that are going extinct |
| 09:21.31 | Lyrrad | These days I think its more we are adapting the envirment for us |
| 09:21.40 | rrowland | Because we dump thick black sludge into their habitat |
| 09:21.40 | heysparky | apparently our great adaptation (in america at least) is being overweight |
| 09:21.42 | liq3 | rrowland: Aboriginals had adapted to the point where they didn't really need to evolve anymore for their enviroment. |
| 09:21.54 | Jamash | I mean our ancestors lived in trees, and we are only partially adapted for living on the ground and walking upright |
| 09:22.07 | rrowland | liq3: You're wrong and no nothing about evolution if you really believe they stopped evolving. |
| 09:22.13 | liq3 | heysparky: standing desks! :D |
| 09:22.19 | rrowland | know* |
| 09:22.20 | liq3 | rrowland: not stopped, slowed down. |
| 09:22.44 | Lyrrad | Jamash its been a long time since human ansestors left the trees |
| 09:22.47 | liq3 | Their envoriment was mostly unchanging. |
| 09:22.57 | heysparky | I'm gonna give standing at my architect's desk a shot when our houseguest leaves, I think it's a bit too low though |
| 09:23.00 | rrowland | You environment doesn't have to change for you to evolve? |
| 09:23.02 | Jamash | Lyrrad: so? |
| 09:23.13 | rrowland | Do you know how evolution works? |
| 09:23.22 | Jamash | Evolution is a slow process |
| 09:23.23 | liq3 | rrowland: no it doesn't. But a changing one makes you evolve much faster. |
| 09:23.24 | Lyrrad | Humans are far better adapted for life on the ground then in a tree |
| 09:23.32 | heysparky | well, environment is a huge factor rrowland |
| 09:23.37 | Jamash | Lyrrad: So? |
| 09:24.40 | liq3 | Still, standing desks are awesome. Can't wait for mine. <# |
| 09:24.41 | liq3 | <3 |
| 09:25.06 | Skizot | yawn. |
| 09:25.13 | rrowland | All this conversation has done is make my butt start being a hypochondriac |
| 09:25.18 | rrowland | And prettending it hurts from sitting down |
| 09:25.19 | Skizot | my map is one thing from being pretty much done. |
| 09:25.24 | Skizot | well for the base movement. |
| 09:25.25 | rrowland | pretending* |
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| 09:25.52 | Paras1te | End of exams! Finally free! xP |
| 09:25.58 | rrowland | hello |
| 09:26.04 | heysparky | yay Parasite! |
| 09:26.09 | Lyrrad | Did you pass? |
| 09:26.15 | Paras1te | dunno xD |
| 09:26.25 | Lyrrad | so maybe not free yet :-) |
| 09:26.33 | Paras1te | Dont even say that :O |
| 09:26.37 | heysparky | funny rrowland, it's made sitting up straight feel more comfortable to me |
| 09:26.44 | Lyrrad | in fact you might have to start all over again from scratch |
| 09:26.58 | Paras1te | No way ;/ |
| 09:27.04 | nuknfuts | man i remember nearly not passign my final for my last class to graduate |
| 09:27.05 | nuknfuts | that was brutal |
| 09:27.15 | nuknfuts | wouldve been a major fml moment |
| 09:28.16 | Lyrrad | I never failed any class that was important |
| 09:30.09 | nuknfuts | i... partied too hard |
| 09:30.14 | nuknfuts | it happens ;) |
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| 09:35.09 | Clord | hmm |
| 09:35.23 | rrowland | HAH! My ability system is complete |
| 09:35.32 | Clord | lol |
| 09:35.35 | rrowland | And it is amazing |
| 09:35.35 | Lyrrad | I'm sure it sucks |
| 09:35.38 | rrowland | Oh boy is it amazing |
| 09:35.50 | Lyrrad | Probably some evil trigger hell |
| 09:35.54 | Clord | horse poop cannon? |
| 09:36.07 | rrowland | Well since dialogs can't be made in data |
| 09:36.11 | rrowland | That part was made in triggers |
| 09:36.38 | rrowland | You get to PICK which abilities you want at the start of the map :O |
| 09:36.45 | rrowland | And then level them up :O |
| 09:36.53 | rrowland | And it adds them to your hero dynamically :O |
| 09:36.56 | Clord | dialog cards is also what rocks lol |
| 09:37.43 | rrowland | Hmm good advice from a youtubian |
| 09:37.50 | rrowland | "you should really try to find other people who are working on a third person custom sc2 game cause I know for sure one day someones gonna develop their own sc2 mmorpg or something, and if you chip in you can probably make some money" |
| 09:38.01 | Lyrrad | So everyone is going to vote for my cinematic scene right? |
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| 09:38.27 | rrowland | I'm going to vote for every scene except yours to effectively give you negative one vote |
| 09:38.45 | nuknfuts | cold blooded |
| 09:38.56 | Clord | I know that my cinematic will not receive that much votes |
| 09:39.07 | nuknfuts | well once those people realize that gameplay stlil stands above third person views for teh sake of third person views :P |
| 09:39.10 | Lyrrad | I expected nothing else from an evil minion of evil |
| 09:39.28 | Lyrrad | Which one is your Clord? |
| 09:39.57 | rrowland | Since my game is so beautiful it looks like a cinematic all the time, I'll just submit a minute of gameplay |
| 09:39.59 | Clord | one of my internet friends opinion is that people want original maps like in WCIII over these gimmick maps with 3rd person cameras etc |
| 09:40.13 | Clord | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:40.31 | Lyrrad | The nuke that goes straight up and then straight back down |
| 09:40.33 | Clord | better download map to have readable quality text |
| 09:40.56 | Clord | I added proper loading screen to fill contest requirement.. yesterday |
| 09:40.58 | Clord | XD |
| 09:41.05 | Clord | or was it day before that |
| 09:41.34 | Lyrrad | There are certianly a lot worse, there was the one added today that is a bunch of collsus killing a bunch of zerglings |
| 09:41.47 | Clord | I tried to do short and fun |
| 09:41.55 | Clord | so I desired to go bit simple side |
| 09:41.58 | Clord | so it not ruin joke |
| 09:42.11 | Clord | it is basically about melee chokes and how to not guard bases |
| 09:42.37 | Xan | I'll vote for yours |
| 09:42.43 | Xan | even though I havent seen any |
| 09:43.07 | Lyrrad | woohoo, thats one vote, 4 more and I'll pass the number of votes i got for my clock |
| 09:43.14 | Xan | not you |
| 09:43.15 | Xan | :D |
| 09:43.23 | Lyrrad | well...you suck then |
| 09:43.33 | Xan | :D |
| 09:43.48 | Lyrrad | I'm not talking to you anymore, and I can't hear you |
| 09:43.55 | Xan | :( |
| 09:43.58 | Lyrrad | sticks fingers in his ears |
| 09:44.03 | Lyrrad | lalalalalalala I can't hear you |
| 09:44.08 | Clord | it might be that I view my map as worser contest entry than it actually is compared to some maps |
| 09:44.14 | nuknfuts | Clord... what original maps? |
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| 09:44.58 | Lyrrad | Clord I thought your was pretty funny(I saw it coming, but that just made it funnier) |
| 09:45.45 | Clord | lyrrad... aka what I intended |
| 09:45.48 | Lyrrad | and in my opinion its a lot more creative then the ones where is a mass of zerg overwhelming a mass of terrans in a defensive position |
| 09:46.35 | nuknfuts | whatd you mean yb that comment anyways clord |
| 09:46.54 | Clord | ? |
| 09:48.41 | Lyrrad | *crickets chirping* |
| 09:49.10 | nuknfuts | one of my internet friends opinion is that people want original maps like in WCIII over these gimmick maps with 3rd person cameras etc |
| 09:49.13 | nuknfuts | thats what yo uwrote |
| 09:49.18 | nuknfuts | sorry was messing with Uberlisks again... |
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| 09:49.25 | Clord | that nuke deals 10000 damage |
| 09:49.25 | nuknfuts | i think ive memorized hwo to make it lol |
| 09:49.52 | Clord | it is just that my online friend loves custom maps |
| 09:49.56 | Clord | and he knows what people like |
| 09:50.10 | Clord | so he guess that people gonna mostly like maps with RTS style |
| 09:50.17 | Clord | or something like that |
| 09:50.26 | Lyrrad | I think that is likely |
| 09:51.07 | Clord | some like one unit maps while some others like to command army |
| 09:51.11 | Clord | some love co-op |
| 09:51.12 | Clord | lol |
| 09:51.32 | rrowland | I prefer controlling 1 unit |
| 09:52.00 | Lyrrad | I will probably play the occasional 1st or 3rd person shooter, but if I really want to play those there are games out there that do that better then the sc2 engine will be able to do it |
| 09:52.02 | rrowland | Well... both can be fun |
| 09:52.12 | rrowland | As long as I'm not trying to micro manage like 3-4 units |
| 09:52.21 | rrowland | Like beastmaster in dota |
| 09:52.24 | rrowland | Shudder |
| 09:52.25 | Lyrrad | I really enjoyed some of the 1 unit maps from wc3 |
| 09:52.55 | rrowland | Like, I'm pretty good at sc2 melee |
| 09:52.56 | rrowland | And it's fun |
| 09:53.11 | rrowland | And stuff like footman frenzy etc is fun |
| 09:53.19 | Clord | I prefer top down view.. sake of playability |
| 09:53.21 | rrowland | And stuff like archer wars was fun |
| 09:53.26 | Lyrrad | I was pretty good at sc1, but I haven't been able to find my game in sc2 |
| 09:53.27 | Clord | I don't want everyone lag in map and need to reduce their settings |
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| 09:53.33 | Nuknfuts_ | lame |
| 09:53.42 | Nuknfuts_ | dont know if u got my 2 msgs lol |
| 09:53.49 | rrowland | Yeah I halted on reaper madness because of that |
| 09:53.52 | Nuknfuts_ | but agreed Lyrrad, if in reall ywant to play a 1st person TF2 ill go play TF2 |
| 09:53.56 | rrowland | The lag, some other issues |
| 09:54.02 | Nuknfuts_ | whats your comp specs rrowland? |
| 09:54.06 | Clord | SCII has insane view distance |
| 09:54.12 | rrowland | Oh it wasn't graphic lag |
| 09:54.16 | rrowland | Mostly network |
| 09:54.20 | Nuknfuts_ | ohh |
| 09:54.26 | rrowland | But there was some stuttering |
| 09:54.29 | Lyrrad | and *cough* trigger *cough* |
| 09:54.32 | Nuknfuts_ | people forget that the game is still a RTS engine |
| 09:54.42 | rrowland | Yeah it was probably a lot of triggers fault too |
| 09:54.49 | Clord | top down view with keyboard controls is way to go |
| 09:54.49 | Nuknfuts_ | there's a reason you dont play 1st person shooters built on RTS engines and vice versa :) |
| 09:54.57 | rrowland | Ever 0.0 seconds or something |
| 09:55.01 | rrowland | I was running a traceline |
| 09:55.01 | Nuknfuts_ | imagine if the Source engine were for an RTS... |
| 09:55.07 | rrowland | For each person in the game |
| 09:55.09 | Nuknfuts_ | actually that wouldnt be that bad |
| 09:55.22 | Clord | actually... there is that HL2 RTS mod... top down view and you command combine etc forces and they act with their own combat AI during combats |
| 09:55.34 | Clord | FPS turned to RTS |
| 09:56.20 | Clord | FPS engine makes greater RTS than RTS engine makes FPS |
| 09:56.21 | Clord | lol |
| 09:56.29 | Lyrrad | yes |
| 09:56.36 | Xan | Half Life: Tactics ? |
| 09:56.47 | Lyrrad | but rts engine still makes a better rts then fps engine does |
| 09:57.08 | Nuknfuts_ | yeah i was just thinking that lol |
| 09:57.12 | Nuknfuts_ | its just a matter of incorporating unit AI |
| 09:57.13 | Nuknfuts_ | and hit boxes etc. |
| 09:57.19 | Nuknfuts_ | and a RTS is doable w/ an FPS engine |
| 09:57.22 | Clord | no.. not grid based... it has even building system |
| 09:57.27 | rrowland | And neither rts nor fps engines make a very good car engine |
| 09:57.34 | Nuknfuts_ | i mean im sure Crysis could run as a RTS |
| 09:57.56 | Xan | although there is car physics etc in HL2 |
| 09:57.57 | Xan | ^^ |
| 09:58.00 | Nuknfuts_ | it actually has the AI |
| 09:58.13 | Clord | http://www.moddb.com/mods/half-life-2-wars |
| 09:58.18 | Clord | this is that FPS turned to RTS |
| 09:58.19 | Clord | it rocks |
| 09:58.20 | Clord | ^^ |
| 09:58.31 | Xan | still beta though |
| 09:59.14 | Lyrrad | well its time for me to head to bed |
| 09:59.22 | Lyrrad | and Xan |
| 09:59.28 | Clord | there was also that free to play korean crap or something what was advertised "RTS vs FPS"... other team is FPS style |
| 09:59.36 | Clord | while other team masses units in RTS style |
| 09:59.46 | Xan | wtf bed |
| 09:59.47 | Xan | :D |
| 09:59.49 | Lyrrad | There was Savage that tried to combine the 2 |
| 09:59.59 | Lyrrad | its 3 am |
| 10:00.02 | Xan | its like noon here |
| 10:00.03 | Xan | :D |
| 10:00.11 | Nuknfuts_ | rts vs fps sounds interesting lol |
| 10:00.15 | Sixen | 3am here too :x |
| 10:00.21 | Lyrrad | oh and lalalalala I can't hear you |
| 10:00.23 | Xan | noon ftw |
| 10:00.24 | Xan | :( |
| 10:00.28 | Clord | it was imba withotu full room |
| 10:00.31 | Clord | without |
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| 10:00.41 | Nuknfuts_ | but yah i agree though Clord with your friends opinion |
| 10:00.41 | Clord | it was imba anyways.... FPS players was gods.. untouchable |
| 10:00.49 | Nuknfuts_ | at the end of the day... the games engine is best handled from the RTS camera view |
| 10:01.00 | Nuknfuts_ | its why dota and turret d's are still the most popular maps in wc3 etc |
| 10:01.13 | Nuknfuts_ | granted wc3 engine was not nearly as capable |
| 10:01.13 | Clord | I wonder if they have trick in retail to limit view distance for their 3rd person maps |
| 10:01.22 | Lyrrad | I was not a big fan of TDs |
| 10:01.24 | Nuknfuts_ | hmmm probably |
| 10:01.59 | Paras1te | Lyrrad: TD are mostly for casuals: select, point and watch ;) |
| 10:02.04 | Lyrrad | so many of them, and most of them were really poorly made |
| 10:02.17 | rrowland | Hey |
| 10:02.19 | rrowland | I like TDs too |
| 10:02.36 | Nuknfuts | well.. i think if nothing else |
| 10:02.36 | rrowland | The balanced/hard ones are really fun |
| 10:02.43 | Nuknfuts | the SC2 editor will make good maps shine |
| 10:02.43 | Lyrrad | yeah, well we already know my opinions about you spawn of evil |
| 10:02.50 | Clord | there is that YouTD what gives generic crap |
| 10:02.51 | Nuknfuts | the learning curve automaticcally makes it so you have to be good to understand it :P |
| 10:02.52 | Clord | ^^ |
| 10:02.52 | Xan | a good engine can handle all types of games |
| 10:03.09 | Nuknfuts | true, but some better than others.. |
| 10:03.10 | rrowland | Not exactly nuk |
| 10:03.20 | rrowland | For example, galois |
| 10:03.25 | rrowland | Has made 3 maps with the editor |
| 10:03.25 | Clord | YouTD... concept is good... execution is bit meh |
| 10:03.36 | rrowland | And he is clinically retarded |
| 10:04.18 | Lyrrad | thats not very nice rrow |
| 10:04.24 | Xan | lololol |
| 10:04.38 | rrowland | Sometimes the truth isn't very pleasant |
| 10:04.59 | heysparky | he's socially retarded, that's for damn sure |
| 10:05.01 | Lyrrad | true, but why be mean to the clinical retards |
| 10:05.05 | Xan | hahahhaha |
| 10:05.08 | rrowland | lol |
| 10:05.17 | heysparky | abusive |
| 10:05.33 | Xan | dont know why, but I laughed my ass off on that one |
| 10:05.42 | heysparky | and on that cheery note, gnight folks! |
| 10:05.55 | Clord | YouTD... opinions? |
| 10:06.01 | rrowland | I don't know what YouTD is |
| 10:06.12 | Lyrrad | night Evil Eye slave driver |
| 10:06.12 | rrowland | Link? |
| 10:06.15 | Xan | galois has made 3 maps? |
| 10:06.15 | Clord | author of castle fight did it after stopped doing castle fight |
| 10:06.16 | Xan | ^^ |
| 10:06.20 | rrowland | Yes |
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| 10:06.28 | Clord | it has hundreds of towers and items |
| 10:06.33 | rrowland | And by made I mean spent 10 hours each remakign exactly SC1 maps |
| 10:06.47 | Xan | sc1 maps? |
| 10:06.49 | Xan | which ones |
| 10:06.52 | rrowland | That weren't even fun 10 years ago |
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| 10:07.00 | rrowland | The sniper capture the flag |
| 10:07.05 | Lyrrad | how many of those towers and items were actually used? |
| 10:07.07 | Xan | ah lol |
| 10:07.09 | Nuknfuts_ | blargh keep getting disconnected |
| 10:07.11 | rrowland | Where you click someone once |
| 10:07.14 | rrowland | And they instantly die |
| 10:07.19 | Clord | SC1 maps are worth remaking if they are modermized |
| 10:07.23 | Clord | modernized |
| 10:07.25 | Clord | whatever |
| 10:07.30 | Nuknfuts_ | there were some good ones... i remember the stacking map though |
| 10:07.31 | Nuknfuts_ | hilarious |
| 10:07.35 | rrowland | Nah he made no changes |
| 10:07.36 | Nuknfuts_ | innovative at itst ime |
| 10:07.44 | rrowland | Just remakes |
| 10:07.48 | Lyrrad | I don't remember playing many ums maps in sc1 |
| 10:07.57 | Clord | I mean... don't use some forge structure in other side of map |
| 10:07.58 | Clord | etc |
| 10:08.01 | Lyrrad | but in wc3 I played them far more then the normal game |
| 10:08.02 | Clord | to get upgrades |
| 10:08.42 | Clord | SC1 maps needed use tricks like that... add structures to even get upgrades |
| 10:09.01 | Lyrrad | ok, well good night all cya tomorrow(aka later today) |
| 10:09.07 | Paras1te | At last I finished Card Level System :D |
| 10:09.08 | Paras1te | http://static.sc2mapster.com/content/images/21/94/SC2_2010-05-20_12-05-39-34.jpg |
| 10:09.23 | Clord | we gonna probably see tons card maps |
| 10:09.33 | Clord | thanks to dialogs |
| 10:09.53 | Lyrrad | hmmm...someone should make solitaire |
| 10:10.01 | Lyrrad | and with that I am gone |
| 10:10.35 | Clord | idea to do card game is tempting |
| 10:10.46 | Clord | lol idea to do monopoly is also tempting |
| 10:11.00 | Sixen | Whoa, paras1te that's sick |
| 10:11.06 | Sixen | Make Final Fantasy |
| 10:11.09 | Nuknfuts | thats pretty damn cool |
| 10:11.09 | rrowland | Yeah that looks pretty cool parasite |
| 10:11.17 | Nuknfuts | make Magic the Gathering :p |
| 10:11.18 | Paras1te | Final Fantasy? |
| 10:11.26 | Paras1te | Card Game? |
| 10:11.41 | rrowland | What are the three buttons? |
| 10:11.43 | Sixen | No, but the FF battles used heroes like that :P |
| 10:11.46 | rrowland | On top of the EXP bar |
| 10:12.08 | Paras1te | those are abilities, that card gets after leveling |
| 10:12.11 | Jamash | make a card game based on starcraft then implement it in starcraft and then make it into a card game |
| 10:12.13 | Clord | I have my turn based FF battle system... my map is work in progress however |
| 10:12.25 | Sixen | Orly clord? |
| 10:12.34 | Clord | lol yeah |
| 10:12.36 | rrowland | Let me know if you need help testing, that game looks fun |
| 10:12.44 | Clord | first battle is two zerglings + baneling |
| 10:13.00 | Clord | baneling gains one energy per turn |
| 10:13.04 | Clord | when it has three it blows up |
| 10:13.29 | Clord | bomb in baneling form |
| 10:13.30 | rrowland | Sounds a lot like a BABOMB RIPOFF! |
| 10:13.43 | Sixen | =) |
| 10:13.55 | rrowland | Does it grow every turn? :) |
| 10:14.02 | rrowland | That's a necessity I say |
| 10:14.06 | Skizot | sixen is a nub |
| 10:14.41 | Sixen | :( |
| 10:14.46 | Clord | I plan to give number how many forces are left in both sieds ^^ |
| 10:14.54 | Fisker | slaps Sixen around a bit with a large trout |
| 10:14.57 | Clord | once you run out of forces you don't get replacement to battle |
| 10:14.59 | Clord | lol |
| 10:15.02 | Sixen | :| |
| 10:15.05 | Skizot | i had to have nicoli_s fix my video in your news post |
| 10:15.52 | Clord | I plan to make few units as bosses |
| 10:15.59 | Nuknfuts | so some unfortunate news, though this wont pertain to everyone~ |
| 10:16.07 | Nuknfuts | is that until the campaign stuff comes out |
| 10:16.13 | Nuknfuts | i dont think we can legitimately attach units to units w/o triggers :( |
| 10:16.16 | Motive | I could use some opinions on how to do a projectile system for a shooter game. I'm having trouble deciding just how far projectiles should be able to go, and what obstacles they should go over. |
| 10:16.30 | pkol | why do you say that nuknfuts? |
| 10:16.31 | Motive | Atm, you click on a unit or in a unit's direction to make the bullet fire there. |
| 10:16.34 | Sixen | Motive, I still love your launcher. |
| 10:16.34 | Sixen | <3 |
| 10:16.38 | Motive | :D |
| 10:16.43 | rrowland | Can't you use data editor missiles motive? |
| 10:16.48 | Nuknfuts | pkol, i broke down the uberlisk... |
| 10:16.54 | Sixen | I'm going to advertise it a bit within the near future, so... <3. |
| 10:16.56 | rrowland | Or is it first person? |
| 10:16.57 | Nuknfuts | and its animation is animating, but the actual unit is just a simulated unit |
| 10:16.58 | Motive | Woo :D |
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| 10:17.11 | Nuknfuts | theres no actual spine crawler involved, just events to make its tentacle move |
| 10:17.18 | Motive | rrowland: The same problem still would apply though, right? |
| 10:17.25 | rrowland | What's the problem? |
| 10:17.32 | Motive | How far should missiles be able to go? |
| 10:17.34 | pkol | what makes you think campaignstuff will help? |
| 10:17.35 | Fisker | hey Sixen |
| 10:17.37 | Motive | And what obstacles should they pass over? |
| 10:17.40 | Fisker | did you get slapped tonight? |
| 10:17.44 | Nuknfuts | because blizzard might have other methods to attach units |
| 10:17.45 | Motive | Ex: If I target a unit on another cliff level, will the missile fire over it |
| 10:17.54 | rrowland | Well if it's a first-person game you want to be able to shoot over cliffs |
| 10:17.55 | Nuknfuts | for instance those upgradeable bunkres... maybe theyre separate autonomous units |
| 10:17.56 | Sixen | by you fisker, you beast. |
| 10:17.57 | Nuknfuts | or maybe its just one model |
| 10:18.10 | rrowland | If it's top-down you might want it to always go over or crash into the cliff |
| 10:18.10 | Motive | it's not entirely first person, and over-cliffs w/ unlimited range is kind of OP |
| 10:18.15 | Fisker | awesome |
| 10:18.23 | Motive | http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/1939/screenshot020au.jpg |
| 10:18.26 | Motive | it'll look like that |
| 10:18.27 | Nuknfuts | we'll find out if the uberlisk creation they made for the video was actual spine crawler units or if it was through some data editor trickery |
| 10:18.36 | rrowland | Do projectiles have Z vector? |
| 10:18.41 | Motive | not atm but I can add it. |
| 10:18.46 | Motive | I'm still in the very early stages. |
| 10:19.05 | rrowland | Well if you plan to use Z |
| 10:19.17 | rrowland | Then I'd imagine you should be able to shoot over cliffs |
| 10:19.27 | rrowland | If you aim over it |
| 10:19.37 | Motive | Well I'm thinking in terms of balance as well. |
| 10:19.41 | rrowland | As far as distance, it's pretty arbitrary |
| 10:19.51 | Motive | If anyone can shoot anywhere on the map there's not much point in moving. |
| 10:19.51 | rrowland | It can change depending on weapon |
| 10:20.16 | rrowland | Well you can't shoot up a cliff if you're at a bad angle, if you hit the edge of the cliff the missile should explode |
| 10:20.36 | rrowland | And if you apply some form of physics, or at least gravity, the simplest of the physics world |
| 10:20.40 | Motive | IIRC when you click the click position is translated into a 3d world coordinate |
| 10:20.43 | rrowland | Range shouldn't be a problem |
| 10:20.52 | Motive | not sure how that'd handle above the cliffs though |
| 10:20.59 | Nuknfuts | so hopefully someone figures out how to attach units together if at all possible :P |
| 10:21.01 | Motive | like if you're aiming over them and onto a unit's head |
| 10:21.18 | rrowland | Are we talking missiles or bullets? |
| 10:21.23 | Motive | Potentially both. |
| 10:21.33 | Motive | The system is gonna' be entirely dynamic |
| 10:21.38 | rrowland | Well you can give the ammo unit the ignore terrain flag |
| 10:21.45 | liq3 | rrowland: i think inertia is simplier. ;] |
| 10:21.56 | rrowland | That way it's at a constant height regardless of cliff level |
| 10:22.05 | Motive | ah that would help |
| 10:22.16 | rrowland | And the only time you check cliff level is to make sure it didn't collide |
| 10:22.22 | rrowland | And blow it up if it did |
| 10:22.34 | Motive | the problem is really that we rely on blizzard accurately translating 2d screen coordinates into the 3d world |
| 10:22.38 | Motive | and by definition that can't be perfect |
| 10:22.55 | rrowland | You don't need that |
| 10:23.01 | Motive | that's the way it's done though |
| 10:23.07 | Motive | look at the mouse click response functions |
| 10:23.15 | Motive | They respond in the 3d world not the 2d screen coords |
| 10:23.16 | rrowland | You can calculate a directional vector by getting the camera pitch and yaw |
| 10:23.25 | Motive | Oh this should be fun. :> |
| 10:23.44 | rrowland | I did it in reaper madness, it's not that hard |
| 10:23.59 | rrowland | I can give you some of my functions if it helps |
| 10:24.00 | Motive | well I guess I'll start by seeing just how accurate the click method is by spawning dummy units. |
| 10:24.04 | Motive | is it on Mapster? |
| 10:24.12 | rrowland | No, I never released the code |
| 10:24.19 | rrowland | It's all in Galaxy, no gui |
| 10:24.19 | Motive | Ah, well I'll let you know then. |
| 10:24.28 | Motive | Bleh. I finally decide to do something in GUI... |
| 10:24.28 | Motive | LOL |
| 10:24.34 | rrowland | lol |
| 10:24.37 | rrowland | Well |
| 10:24.43 | rrowland | You can always make a custom function |
| 10:24.47 | rrowland | And just add it as script |
| 10:24.59 | Motive | I'll try it in GUI first just to keep everything on one medium. |
| 10:25.32 | Nuknfuts | so heres a fun bug if you guys want to play around and see whats up |
| 10:25.37 | Nuknfuts | copy the marine actor |
| 10:25.51 | Nuknfuts | double click the copy, name it whatever you want, change the based on to ModelAddition |
| 10:26.06 | Nuknfuts | in events, go to UnitBirth.Marine and change it to UnitBirth.Ultralisk |
| 10:26.49 | Nuknfuts | and under host site operations, do SOpAttachHead |
| 10:26.58 | Nuknfuts | and under model make sure its Marine |
| 10:27.00 | Nuknfuts | fun bug |
| 10:27.05 | Nuknfuts | you now have a Marine that rides an Ultralisk |
| 10:27.08 | Nuknfuts | but you cant select the Ultralisk model |
| 10:27.19 | Nuknfuts | but the Marine portrait and wireframe are there, and you keep the Ultralisk's weapons and hit points etc |
| 10:27.24 | liq3 | o.O |
| 10:27.27 | rrowland | The same thing happens when you attach via triggers |
| 10:27.27 | Motive | Ultralisk Rodeo -- the SC2 map! |
| 10:27.29 | Motive | Do it. |
| 10:27.34 | rrowland | What you need to do |
| 10:27.39 | rrowland | If I remember correctly |
| 10:27.51 | rrowland | Is make it so the marine can't be targetted |
| 10:28.23 | Nuknfuts | under unit flags? |
| 10:28.30 | rrowland | I'm not sure, it was like a month ago |
| 10:28.34 | rrowland | I'll open a new map and test |
| 10:28.41 | Nuknfuts | or through triggers |
| 10:28.53 | Nuknfuts | cause if the solution is there we just found out how to attach units :P |
| 10:28.53 | rrowland | I believe it was in data editor |
| 10:30.43 | Nuknfuts | imade the attachment untargettable via editor and it doesnt do anything... |
| 10:30.48 | Nuknfuts | the issue here is that you cant select the larger model... |
| 10:30.58 | rrowland | Sec looking at how I did it |
| 10:31.00 | Nuknfuts | or rather the host |
| 10:32.18 | Nuknfuts | howd you figure it out anyways? |
| 10:32.31 | Repo | New map: http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/starship-troopers-outpost-99/. Starship Troopers Outpost 99. NakDotNak (Manager/Author). Approved by grum. |
| 10:32.37 | rrowland | I was attaching a giant hydralisk to a hellion |
| 10:32.53 | rrowland | Cause a friend was over and he was like, "Make a racing game" |
| 10:32.56 | rrowland | So I amused him for an hou |
| 10:32.57 | rrowland | r |
| 10:33.55 | Sixen | w00t, grum's alive |
| 10:34.11 | Nuknfuts | lol |
| 10:34.13 | Nuknfuts | well that would do it |
| 10:34.20 | Nuknfuts | but a giant hydralisk model makes it easy to select the unit.. |
| 10:34.26 | Nuknfuts | problem right now for me is attaching smaller things to larger things |
| 10:34.30 | rrowland | Yeah, I'm looking over it |
| 10:34.37 | rrowland | I'm not sure if it was what you're looking for |
| 10:35.45 | Skizot | OMG crazy blimps! |
| 10:37.09 | Nuknfuts | hmm |
| 10:37.12 | Nuknfuts | what do you mean |
| 10:37.27 | Motive | rrowland: if you could pastebin the part where you take the clicked coord and camera angle to calculate the final hit position or whatnot, I'd greatly appreciate it. |
| 10:38.00 | Nuknfuts | basically the only things i need are one or the either.. |
| 10:38.05 | Nuknfuts | either a) some way to enlarge a model's hit box |
| 10:38.11 | Nuknfuts | by hit box i mean the selection thing |
| 10:38.19 | Nuknfuts | as of right now, it appears taht selecting a unit is 100% based on being able to see the actual model |
| 10:38.27 | Nuknfuts | for instance, if you submerge a viking underwater, you cant select it at all |
| 10:38.43 | Nuknfuts | however, if you let it sit where some of it is above water, you can select it |
| 10:38.56 | Nuknfuts | this also applies to force attacking a unit.. |
| 10:39.15 | Nuknfuts | eithre that, or b) find how the data editor interprets it (if it isn't a bug) and how you can merge them |
| 10:39.40 | Fisker | you didn't say that when you found out i was alive Sixen |
| 10:39.46 | rrowland | So, I'm pretty sure this is what you're talking about |
| 10:39.55 | rrowland | Now I just need to figure out how I did it |
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| 10:40.56 | rrowland | I'll take a screenshot |
| 10:41.22 | Sixen | you're alive, fisker? |
| 10:42.11 | Fisker | indeed |
| 10:42.22 | Nuknfuts | cause yeah triggers do indeed do the same issue |
| 10:42.32 | Nuknfuts | so im inclined to believe its a bug... |
| 10:42.33 | Nuknfuts | which is too bad |
| 10:42.38 | rrowland | Well |
| 10:42.41 | Nuknfuts | cause theres some seriously awesome capabilities here |
| 10:42.43 | rrowland | The problem is you can't select it right? |
| 10:42.48 | rrowland | Let me send you my screenie |
| 10:42.57 | Nuknfuts | you can select the unit.. only if you select the attached model |
| 10:43.02 | Nuknfuts | for instance, the marine on the ultralisk... |
| 10:43.07 | rrowland | Yeah let me show you |
| 10:43.10 | Nuknfuts | clicking the ultralisk wont select the unit... click the marine it works |
| 10:43.58 | rrowland | Not for me |
| 10:44.00 | rrowland | Clicking ultra works |
| 10:44.36 | rrowland | http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v206/Llam4/?action=view¤t=marineonultra.jpg |
| 10:45.22 | Nuknfuts | clicking the rear of the ultralisk/ |
| 10:45.26 | Nuknfuts | like not teh actual unit itself |
| 10:45.31 | Nuknfuts | err marine |
| 10:45.37 | rrowland | I can click it anywhere I can click a normal ultra |
| 10:45.39 | rrowland | And select it |
| 10:45.42 | Nuknfuts | i see |
| 10:45.43 | Nuknfuts | how did you get that? |
| 10:45.52 | rrowland | I have no idea, that's what I'm looking for lol |
| 10:45.58 | rrowland | I remember setting a flag or something that fixed it |
| 10:46.00 | Nuknfuts | do u mind saving the file and sending it to me? |
| 10:46.15 | Nuknfuts | i can dig through it too and test it |
| 10:47.14 | Sixen | lol |
| 10:47.49 | rrowland | Trying to send through DCC |
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| 10:47.57 | Nuknfuts | im not on dcc.. |
| 10:48.05 | Nuknfuts | err |
| 10:48.06 | Nuknfuts | mirc |
| 10:48.14 | Nuknfuts | im using the web browser |
| 10:48.18 | rrowland | ew |
| 10:48.26 | Nuknfuts | i know i know :P |
| 10:49.01 | rrowland | http://rapidshare.com/files/389516569/HydraRancher.SC2Map.html |
| 10:49.12 | Nuknfuts | thx |
| 10:51.08 | Nuknfuts | okay |
| 10:51.09 | Nuknfuts | thats too weird |
| 10:51.15 | Nuknfuts | in game i can't select the Ultralisk at all |
| 10:51.20 | Nuknfuts | through the model |
| 10:51.27 | Nuknfuts | i can select it if i click near the marine... the cursor changes to single click |
| 10:52.27 | rrowland | oO |
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| 10:55.21 | Nuknfuts | so it works for you in game? just testing the document w/ no other changes? |
| 10:59.37 | rrowland | It could be something local |
| 10:59.44 | rrowland | I dunno, that's weird as hell though |
| 10:59.58 | Nuknfuts | just tried it on another comp... no dice |
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| 11:15.01 | Clord | considering all localization crap and more............ not surprised that stuff acts weird |
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| 11:20.21 | rrowland | haha |
| 11:20.26 | rrowland | I figured out what the problem was |
| 11:20.29 | rrowland | Now that he left |
| 11:24.24 | rrowland | Wonder what his SC2mapster name is |
| 11:25.04 | rrowland | Ah well, that sucks. He won't know until I wake up and drag my ass to the computer |
| 11:25.33 | pkol | is it possible to change the mineral/gas/supply images ingame? |
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| 11:50.17 | Sixen | ~seen TheDudeAbides |
| 11:50.18 | purl | thedudeabides <~Jeremie@modemcable116.207-37-24.mc.videotron.ca> was last seen on IRC in channel #sc2mapster, 11d 17h 48m 27s ago, saying: 'that would rock'. |
| 11:50.21 | Sixen | -_- |
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| 11:53.53 | Playah | Hey there guys |
| 11:54.34 | Playah | I just wanted to ask how to get on of the beta keys cause im totally into SC and I want to play and test as fast as possible |
| 11:55.19 | pkol | preorder the game |
| 11:55.22 | pkol | and you should get a key |
| 11:56.16 | Skizot | i'll sell you a key. |
| 11:56.20 | Skizot | i have two spares. |
| 11:56.26 | Skizot | lol |
| 11:57.28 | Skizot | i mean i DO have two spares. |
| 11:58.27 | Playah | if u would gimme one for free I would take one -.^ |
| 11:58.42 | Playah | but im not in the situation to pay for a beta key ^^ |
| 12:04.50 | Motive | Any idea why a missile would travel basically instantly or invisibly between two locations? I'm creating it and just issuing it a move order to a point. |
| 12:04.57 | Motive | I've verified that the speed is within reason in the data editor. |
| 12:07.21 | Hati | Playah: the beta only last approx 11days |
| 12:07.34 | Hati | then you can't play again for ~4weeks+ :x |
| 12:08.03 | Hati | Motive: does it have a model ? |
| 12:08.08 | Motive | Yes |
| 12:09.21 | Motive | Lol ok, I attached a text tag to it |
| 12:09.30 | Motive | it's moving slowly, it's just invisible. hmm |
| 12:09.43 | Motive | or maybe it's under the world... |
| 12:12.25 | Motive | Got it, z data was lost on the origin point. wtf. |
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| 12:14.04 | Motive | works again. :D |
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| 12:36.56 | ubdead-imposter | a |
| 12:36.58 | ubdead-imposter | wtf |
| 12:38.36 | pkol | http://img25.imageshack.us/i/screenshot006bz.jpg/ |
| 12:38.43 | pkol | what do you guys think of my sexy dialogskies |
| 12:39.14 | Arthas- | I like it. :) |
| 12:39.39 | pkol | needs a few alignment tweaks and such |
| 12:39.44 | pkol | but i'm happy |
| 12:39.50 | Arthas- | it deos however look like a bf clone :p |
| 12:39.55 | Arthas- | or rather, something similar |
| 12:39.56 | Arthas- | :D |
| 12:39.56 | pkol | pretty much |
| 12:39.57 | pkol | :P |
| 12:40.07 | Arthas- | hmm |
| 12:40.11 | Arthas- | map is transparent? |
| 12:40.19 | Arthas- | that came automatically or did you use your magic |
| 12:40.24 | pkol | map is pretty much a battlefield/AoS hybrid |
| 12:40.25 | pkol | um |
| 12:40.27 | Arthas- | a neat touch anyhow |
| 12:40.27 | pkol | just |
| 12:40.53 | pkol | set blend mode to add |
| 12:40.57 | pkol | on an image |
| 12:41.00 | pkol | and it does that |
| 12:41.07 | Skizot | pkol you DO know the medic icon is ingame right? |
| 12:41.13 | pkol | is it really? |
| 12:41.32 | Arthas- | pkol nice |
| 12:41.51 | Arthas- | Skizot |
| 12:41.55 | Skizot | hmmm |
| 12:41.57 | Arthas- | did you get to see how diablo ui was done yet |
| 12:41.59 | Skizot | could have swore i saw it. |
| 12:42.01 | Arthas- | or did you figure it out |
| 12:42.04 | Skizot | no. |
| 12:42.17 | Skizot | been busy with my sidescroller |
| 12:42.20 | pkol | no results when i search for medic on the image browser thing |
| 12:42.30 | Skizot | the code monkies have been doing code. |
| 12:42.40 | Hati | pkol: its Heal |
| 12:43.10 | pkol | think Shiz is talking about the wireframe of the medic, not the heal icon |
| 12:43.11 | pkol | i got that |
| 12:45.12 | Skizot | you can use the wireframe as a button |
| 12:45.13 | Skizot | :P |
| 12:45.52 | pkol | i know |
| 12:45.57 | pkol | but i can't see the wireframe |
| 13:09.52 | LuxusElg | hm |
| 13:10.23 | LuxusElg | what value changes the range at which a unit will charge at and attack another unit? |
| 13:10.32 | LuxusElg | Minimum Scan Range? |
| 13:16.07 | LuxusElg | yay! Progress! |
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| 13:30.26 | Repo | New map: http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/starcraft-2-invasion-char/. Starcraft 2: Invasion of Char. Eiviyn (Manager/Author). Approved by xhatix. |
| 13:35.38 | Skizot | LuxusElg |
| 13:35.42 | Skizot | is that what did it? |
| 13:40.01 | LuxusElg | apparently |
| 13:40.09 | LuxusElg | atleast it works now |
| 13:40.24 | Skizot | it gave me an idea for a pickup system. |
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| 13:40.34 | LuxusElg | :o |
| 13:42.03 | Vailreth | hello every body |
| 13:42.37 | Vailreth | i wanted to change my nick to Dr. Nick before i said that but that nick is taken.. |
| 13:43.49 | Xan | Anyone knows how one would add custom decal doodads? |
| 13:45.17 | Skizot | you have to replace the texture for an exisiting one. |
| 13:45.35 | Xan | but where can I find the texture? |
| 13:45.45 | Xan | I cant add new textures (and keep existing ones)? |
| 13:45.47 | Skizot | assets/textures/decal* |
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| 13:47.30 | LuxusElg | hm, anyone know of a good tutorial on custom UI and dialogs? |
| 13:47.32 | Xan | cant find a way in data editor to do so :/ |
| 13:48.26 | Clord | today's possible patch (99% possible?) with map publishing feature or not really makes it finally clear then when to get that feature |
| 13:50.05 | pkol | i dont think so clord |
| 13:50.09 | pkol | why release publishing now |
| 13:50.19 | pkol | like 9 days before beta goes doen |
| 13:50.21 | pkol | down |
| 13:50.41 | Xan | well they have to test it before release |
| 13:50.49 | Xan | 9 days is better than none |
| 13:50.49 | pkol | they're bringing beta back |
| 13:50.50 | Hati | Clord: they won't release publishing feature right before the planned beta-break |
| 13:51.22 | pkol | they're taking it down to fix somethings and get it properly hooked up with WoW i think |
| 13:51.31 | Hati | Xan: if the servers go up the game will look quite different from it current state i guess - they are also doing this kind of break for internal testing |
| 13:51.45 | pkol | cause the wow real ID patch is coming soon too |
| 13:51.59 | pkol | and they'll probally release map publishing when they bring it all back up |
| 13:52.43 | Xan | possibly |
| 13:53.52 | Clord | Hati... everyone tells how blizzard promised it to mid may lol.... but yeah... they can try it if it breaks down |
| 13:53.53 | Clord | XD |
| 13:54.38 | Clord | rule number one... companies are above to need to keep their promises |
| 13:54.49 | Clord | so yeah... we are screwed eh? |
| 13:54.58 | Xan | well they didnt exactly "promise" it |
| 13:55.34 | Hati | promissed what? |
| 13:56.25 | Clord | yeah Xan... people kinda change meaning |
| 13:56.35 | Clord | it is like when one person tells to another and he tells to someone else |
| 13:56.51 | Clord | they probably mentioned in blue post that they might |
| 13:57.13 | Hati | i think they said something like "We try to throw it out mid may" |
| 13:58.01 | Clord | they even could open map publishing but not actual playing them yet |
| 13:58.08 | Clord | so they keep some nice database waiting |
| 13:58.09 | Clord | lol |
| 13:58.45 | Arthas- | Xan |
| 13:58.58 | Arthas- | http://img714.imageshack.us/i/orlyh.png/ |
| 13:59.05 | Arthas- | do the test and see what you get |
| 13:59.10 | Clord | their protection method is not supported without bounding map to account.. (submitted version) |
| 13:59.11 | Arthas- | that test is very fucked up |
| 13:59.20 | Arthas- | except for KD, it should be more or less reversed :p |
| 13:59.23 | Azu | 15:55 &Azu-Nyan • hahaha |
| 13:59.23 | Azu | 15:55 &Azu-Nyan • "omg she is so hot" |
| 13:59.23 | Azu | 15:55 &Azu-Nyan • "smoking" |
| 13:59.23 | Azu | 15:56 &Azu-Nyan • "shut your mouth that is my sister!! .. i got dibs" |
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| 14:00.22 | Arthas- | Azu where is that from |
| 14:00.28 | Azu | reaper |
| 14:00.29 | Arthas- | i remember it but cant pinpoint it |
| 14:00.30 | Arthas- | ah |
| 14:00.32 | Arthas- | thats right |
| 14:00.33 | Azu | s2e1 |
| 14:00.35 | Azu | :p |
| 14:00.54 | Arthas- | Azu http://www.svd.se/nyheter/politik/valet2010/Valkompassen/ |
| 14:00.55 | Arthas- | do it :p |
| 14:01.33 | Azu | orka :p |
| 14:01.35 | Clord | lol that USA community.. it is 10AM in america and they scream where is patch? |
| 14:01.36 | Clord | XD |
| 14:02.20 | Azu | hm |
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| 14:02.33 | Azu | 36% på alliansen |
| 14:02.39 | Azu | svara max på 1 fråga |
| 14:02.42 | Azu | vet inte på rästen :p |
| 14:02.47 | Clord | big bara bum! |
| 14:03.11 | TheLaughingMan | Clord, it isn't 10AM |
| 14:03.23 | Clord | well in eastern usa |
| 14:03.23 | Clord | lol |
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| 14:05.43 | Azu | Arthas- http://i45.tinypic.com/2hi1hxu.png |
| 14:05.59 | Arthas- | indeed |
| 14:06.12 | Arthas- | but i dont see why i GET 43.5% on SD |
| 14:06.20 | Arthas- | since there is only one question related to that party |
| 14:06.37 | Arthas- | and I vote Against or In favor, ie 2 or 3 |
| 14:06.47 | Arthas- | then i mark that im most interested in the pirate questions in the end |
| 14:07.35 | Azu | haha |
| 14:07.43 | Azu | Arthas- you damn racist! |
| 14:07.49 | Arthas- | ^^ |
| 14:07.52 | Azu | and lol |
| 14:07.54 | Arthas- | apparently |
| 14:08.01 | Azu | i got like ~30% on everything :p |
| 14:08.05 | Arthas- | I cant deny the conclusion of this test |
| 14:08.11 | Azu | :P |
| 14:08.12 | Azu | well |
| 14:08.16 | Arthas- | I apparently like the fuckerr, god Lars Ohly and SD! |
| 14:08.18 | Azu | im gonna vote on pp :P |
| 14:08.30 | Arthas- | Im PP -> S -> SD in that order |
| 14:08.31 | Arthas- | :p |
| 14:08.37 | Motive | I'm gonna need some testers in a few if anyone's interested. :P |
| 14:08.44 | Arthas- | and SD is the same reason as PP |
| 14:08.46 | Azu | eu/us? |
| 14:08.50 | Motive | Testing WASD movement, and a new intelligent shooting system |
| 14:08.50 | Motive | US |
| 14:08.54 | Arthas- | To get them fucking politicians to start discussing it |
| 14:08.58 | Azu | sorrycant then ;< |
| 14:09.08 | Arthas- | Motive we are euro! :D |
| 14:09.32 | Motive | oh man this is so sexy |
| 14:09.45 | Motive | it uses three different formulas depending on how you're shooting |
| 14:10.04 | Motive | one for even level terrain, one for shooting downwards that maximizes descent at the end, and one for shooting upwards that maximizes ascent at the beginning |
| 14:10.14 | Azu | :p |
| 14:10.56 | Clord | it is gimmick or does it actually help? XD |
| 14:11.00 | Azu | ive been trying to get a us account aswell :< |
| 14:11.07 | Azu | but place where i could get keys ranout ;< |
| 14:11.09 | Motive | I can't aim successfully w/o it, Clord :P |
| 14:11.13 | Motive | I implemented it 'cause of that |
| 14:11.17 | Motive | otherwise you hit the edge of the cliffs |
| 14:11.28 | Motive | it's still possible to, but with decent skill you can get it over the majority of the time |
| 14:11.35 | Motive | shooting down is easier |
| 14:11.39 | Motive | but that's just because height is an advantage |
| 14:12.32 | Motive | it's a little weird to get used to because you're not aiming at the units, you're aiming at where they're standing to get accurate results. |
| 14:12.45 | Clord | I personally use system what enables attack ability to let unit attack but not turn |
| 14:12.46 | Clord | ^^ |
| 14:12.47 | Motive | but once you do that you'll start hitting a lot more |
| 14:12.53 | Clord | so it hits anything it would hit without turning |
| 14:13.07 | Clord | can easily make almost any unit playable |
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| 14:13.25 | Motive | I only need a small set of units playable but I've made the entire system very dynamic |
| 14:13.34 | Motive | When I'm done every player may use different weapons, units, etc. |
| 14:14.13 | LuxusElg | hm, anyone know of a good tutorial on custom UI and dialogs? |
| 14:15.36 | Skizot | WHERE THE HELL IS 228ZIP? |
| 14:15.38 | pkol | they're pretty easy to learm |
| 14:16.21 | pkol | dialogs that is |
| 14:16.23 | pkol | i mean |
| 14:16.31 | pkol | its just positioning the elements mostly |
| 14:16.45 | pkol | which is just fiddling with offsets and anchors |
| 14:17.00 | LuxusElg | yeah, but how do you get the buttons to work? xD |
| 14:17.15 | pkol | when you make it |
| 14:17.23 | pkol | set your dialog items to a variable |
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| 14:17.49 | LuxusElg | wat |
| 14:18.45 | LuxusElg | which items? the buttons? |
| 14:18.51 | pkol | yeah |
| 14:18.58 | pkol | or whatever you want to do something |
| 14:19.02 | pkol | then |
| 14:19.14 | pkol | any dialog button is used/clicked or whatever |
| 14:19.29 | pkol | condition used dialog item == your button variable |
| 14:19.33 | pkol | actions: do shit |
| 14:19.42 | LuxusElg | aha |
| 14:19.45 | LuxusElg | thanks :p |
| 14:20.00 | Clord | top of that it is quite easy |
| 14:20.24 | LuxusElg | yeah, the rest i can pretty much figure out |
| 14:21.12 | Motive | WTB US Testers for Shooter Map Testing. |
| 14:21.22 | pkol | hi |
| 14:21.25 | pkol | pkol.pkol |
| 14:21.28 | Motive | :D |
| 14:21.34 | Motive | lemme upload the map somewhere |
| 14:21.41 | Clord | oh and I one point got bug what made if multiple dialogues was needed... they didn't close right somepoint... I fixed it so that I called them all in same trigger... =) |
| 14:21.45 | Azu | wts (steal) us sc2 account |
| 14:23.02 | Motive | http://www.mediafire.com/?zwarlm2mjw3 |
| 14:23.03 | Clord | so basically dialogs itself prevent that they are not clicked in totally chaotic order |
| 14:23.10 | Motive | hop on and I'll invite you |
| 14:23.14 | Motive | anyone else feel like coming? |
| 14:23.27 | Azu | ;_; |
| 14:24.07 | pkol | theres' a patch? |
| 14:24.09 | pkol | oh |
| 14:24.10 | pkol | heh |
| 14:24.14 | pkol | be there in 2secs |
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| 14:28.25 | pkol | online now motive |
| 14:28.27 | pkol | had to patch |
| 14:28.30 | pkol | pkol.pkol |
| 14:28.50 | Motive | invited |
| 14:30.39 | nicoli_s | new patch? |
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| 14:35.19 | nicoli_s | guess not |
| 14:37.09 | Halleck | Any idea how I can make a custom hud display a unit's current energy? I'm currently modding the 3PShooter map to use a ghost instead of a marine. |
| 14:38.17 | Halleck | on the plus side i managed to get cloaking working, and it's a third-person shooter already. yay. :) |
| 14:41.15 | Clord | I have trigger thing what shows energy in boss bar ^^ |
| 14:41.20 | Clord | it is rather easy |
| 14:41.23 | Clord | just modify max number |
| 14:41.26 | Clord | and current number |
| 14:41.38 | Clord | based to unit's stats |
| 14:42.03 | Halleck | okay... first off how do i access the current unit's stats |
| 14:42.09 | Halleck | I see this GameLink thing |
| 14:42.21 | Halleck | but I don't know how to get any deeper than just the unit |
| 14:42.24 | Clord | put your unit to variable |
| 14:42.37 | Clord | then trigger knows what to pick |
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| 14:56.13 | Halleck | I still can't figure out how to get the energy from the unit... I have the unit already in a variable. :/ |
| 14:56.40 | Halleck | oh wait... |
| 14:56.57 | Halleck | this would be a trigger for the change of that stat? |
| 14:57.01 | Halleck | i think i get it |
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| 15:00.20 | Clord | yeah.... boss bar integers can be edited even without |
| 15:00.24 | Ousnius | http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/4347/sc2tankteamstartingzone.jpg isn't it beautiful? O.O <3 XD |
| 15:00.25 | Clord | giving it unit |
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| 15:03.03 | Ousnius | what do u think of my starting region? http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/4347/sc2tankteamstartingzone.jpg |
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| 15:03.23 | Ousnius | nice, not nice, very nice, bad, very bad, very very bad, ugly or too bright or too dark? xD |
| 15:04.29 | pkol | sexy |
| 15:04.54 | Ousnius | :P |
| 15:05.04 | Clord | hmmm |
| 15:05.05 | Clord | overdone |
| 15:05.08 | Clord | looks too good |
| 15:05.53 | Clord | also in case if map rely to light sources... you want to make probably sure that lower setting players see map too |
| 15:05.54 | Clord | ^^ |
| 15:06.00 | Clord | lol |
| 15:06.07 | Ousnius | holy sh!t |
| 15:06.08 | Ousnius | xD |
| 15:06.17 | Ousnius | I jsut got owned |
| 15:10.32 | Clord | patch 13... -thor became wrestler and grew in size... |
| 15:11.39 | Xan | patch is out? |
| 15:12.06 | Clord | ./facepalm |
| 15:12.26 | Xan | just wondering ^^ |
| 15:12.37 | Clord | not yet |
| 15:12.40 | Clord | wait few hours |
| 15:12.42 | Clord | lol |
| 15:14.09 | Clord | anyway there is massive size difference between amount EU testers compared to USA ones |
| 15:14.21 | Clord | thus I often read USA forum too |
| 15:14.37 | Xan | which one is bigger? |
| 15:16.33 | Halleck | so I made a new trigger with the event "Unit - PlayerGhostUnit Energy changes" (PlayerGhostEnergy is a variable that definitely references the player's avatar.) |
| 15:16.56 | Halleck | now how do I get at that value so I can use it to set a variable? |
| 15:20.21 | Clord | lol USA like I said |
| 15:20.32 | Clord | as thats why I read it often |
| 15:20.38 | Clord | it is good place for quick updates |
| 15:20.39 | Clord | lol |
| 15:20.47 | Xan | how large is the difference? |
| 15:21.45 | Clord | well let's see |
| 15:21.55 | Clord | battle.net guys online somewhere 6000-7000 |
| 15:21.56 | Clord | whatever |
| 15:22.02 | Clord | in EU side |
| 15:22.24 | Clord | once game is released this is not issue however |
| 15:22.27 | Clord | game sells millions |
| 15:24.23 | Vailreth | yesterday i made a zerg drone that fires zergling missles that explode like nukes and heal their target.. |
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| 15:28.01 | Quak0r | ohai |
| 15:28.56 | Quak0r | so i'm watching mikelat's editor tutoreal |
| 15:29.06 | Quak0r | and it told me to enter this irc |
| 15:29.09 | Quak0r | what now? |
| 15:29.50 | Vailreth | now you must make a zerg drone that fires zergling missles that explode like nukes and heal their targets |
| 15:29.55 | Vailreth | not really |
| 15:29.58 | Vailreth | hello |
| 15:30.44 | Quak0r | hi ^^ |
| 15:30.48 | depthsofchaos | vailreth you should upload this stuff id definetly check it :p |
| 15:31.33 | Vailreth | its too late i didnt save the map with that feature but i can always remake it some time |
| 15:31.40 | Alpha_vst | lol |
| 15:31.43 | Alpha_vst | howdy |
| 15:33.14 | Alpha_vst | woot my random level generator concept works :D |
| 15:33.25 | Vailreth | sweet. |
| 15:35.07 | Alpha_vst | i just need to make more walls :D |
| 15:35.24 | Vailreth | more walls? |
| 15:35.57 | `228zip`o_Q | A random level generator ? |
| 15:36.01 | `228zip`o_Q | For what kind of map ? |
| 15:36.05 | Alpha_vst | yeah have you seen my new game? |
| 15:36.08 | Alpha_vst | or map |
| 15:36.28 | `228zip`o_Q | The stealth-kickass one ? |
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| 15:36.58 | depthsofchaos | thats jcup :p |
| 15:37.00 | Alpha_vst | http://i47.tinypic.com/1zwke10.jpg |
| 15:37.03 | Alpha_vst | that one... |
| 15:37.09 | depthsofchaos | when will you release it?:p |
| 15:37.47 | `228zip`o_Q | I like the design |
| 15:40.20 | Vailreth | i was thinking of making a metal gear zergling map |
| 15:41.14 | Vailreth | where you are a zergling who can hide its self in a crate and marines pass by and think its just a crate |
| 15:41.49 | Alpha_vst | lol |
| 15:42.42 | Alpha_vst | im having issues with visibility how do i take it away once i set it? |
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| 15:43.24 | Vailreth | i have no idea i JUST now learned how to allow terrazine to be a disaplayble resource |
| 15:45.43 | vjeux | Alpha_vst: that's sexy! |
| 15:45.43 | Skizot | vjeux! |
| 15:45.43 | Alpha_vst | thanks :D |
| 15:45.54 | AsaPhelps | what icon does terrazine have? |
| 15:46.10 | Skizot | http://i46.tinypic.com/2czdlc3.jpg |
| 15:46.11 | Skizot | :D |
| 15:46.12 | vjeux | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJ5kk5cDN-I&translated=1 |
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| 15:46.17 | vjeux | Skizot: you want to talk with that guy |
| 15:46.47 | Skizot | seen it, Thought about it, built better |
| 15:46.49 | Vailreth | i am about to find out |
| 15:47.08 | vjeux | lol :) |
| 15:47.36 | Skizot | my map now has sheild pickups and FOUR types of weaponry |
| 15:47.47 | Skizot | even a weapon so awesome it can KILL WEAK COMPUTERS. |
| 15:47.59 | vjeux | kewl |
| 15:48.17 | Vailreth | blue lightingish gas ball |
| 15:48.23 | Skizot | when i get the new item models made, i'll post a screenshot. |
| 15:48.38 | Clord | vertical camera maps or whatever |
| 15:48.45 | Clord | this is good to make arcade games lol |
| 15:48.58 | Skizot | errr.. video. |
| 15:49.15 | Vailreth | ashame displaying terrazine pushes the food diplay out of the window |
| 15:49.28 | vjeux | did you do something special to blur the trees that are far behind? |
| 15:49.33 | depthsofchaos | anyone figured a way to prevent abilities from interrupting movement?:o |
| 15:49.36 | Skizot | depth of feild. |
| 15:49.39 | vjeux | ok |
| 15:50.27 | Skizot | I need an AWESOME 80's nintendo cover style loading screen. |
| 15:50.49 | Skizot | if you wanna run a contest for it, i'll put up a beta key |
| 15:51.15 | Skizot | http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/65/Contra_cover.jpg |
| 15:51.20 | Skizot | something in that vein. |
| 15:51.22 | Clord | reminds me... hopefully contest keepers has realized I updated my entry map |
| 15:51.27 | Clord | added loading screen etc |
| 15:51.36 | Clord | I kinda forgot to do that first |
| 15:51.37 | Clord | XD |
| 15:51.46 | Skizot | no seal or gold text. |
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| 15:52.16 | AsaPhelps | Nintendo presents a Skizot production |
| 15:52.51 | Skizot | lol |
| 15:53.05 | Skizot | i'm doing item models now for my weapon pickups. |
| 15:53.32 | Clord | we with no real modelling skill wait that community might do something useful |
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| 15:53.43 | Skizot | lol |
| 15:53.47 | Skizot | i have contests. |
| 15:53.51 | `228zip | Got disconnected |
| 15:54.01 | `228zip | Alright |
| 15:54.03 | `228zip | Got a question |
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| 15:54.17 | `228zip | The latency for event detection on keyboard events |
| 15:54.35 | `228zip | Is it the local player's latency or that of the player with the worst latency in the game ? |
| 15:54.49 | `228zip | Because every player is synchronized right ? |
| 15:54.58 | AsaPhelps | Anyone familiar with persistant effects? |
| 15:55.15 | Clord | hehe obviously it keeps synched with worst connection |
| 15:55.19 | Clord | oh the fun! |
| 15:55.20 | Clord | ^^ |
| 15:56.00 | Clord | they ruin your matches and they ask "what is processor?" |
| 15:56.01 | Clord | ;) |
| 15:56.36 | `228zip | I wish I could just desynchronize players like in any normal multiplayer game |
| 15:57.19 | Clord | hehe.. dawn of war II... it kicks those who can't handle match well |
| 15:58.10 | vjeux | Skizot: just make a forum post, i'm pretty sure someone will help you out |
| 15:59.17 | `228zip | What's skizot's problem ? |
| 15:59.30 | Skizot | <+Skizot> I need an AWESOME 80's nintendo cover style loading screen. |
| 15:59.30 | Skizot | <+Skizot> if you wanna run a contest for it, i'll put up a beta key |
| 15:59.30 | Skizot | <+Skizot> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/65/Contra_cover.jpg |
| 15:59.30 | Skizot | <+Skizot> something in that vein. |
| 15:59.37 | AsaPhelps | http://www.coverbrowser.com/covers/nes-games |
| 15:59.51 | AsaPhelps | lol |
| 15:59.56 | AsaPhelps | that tom sawyer one is funny |
| 16:00.10 | AsaPhelps | http://www.coverbrowser.com/image/nes-games/36-1.jpg |
| 16:01.13 | AsaPhelps | http://www.coverbrowser.com/image/nes-games/14-1.jpg |
| 16:01.40 | Clord | ^^ |
| 16:01.50 | Clord | reminds btw me that during 2D era |
| 16:01.58 | Clord | games what was released based to movies was actually good |
| 16:01.59 | Clord | lol |
| 16:02.05 | Clord | at least that is my theory |
| 16:03.23 | AsaPhelps | okay my mission today is to make a colliding rocket launcher |
| 16:04.45 | Alpha_vst | okay fuck me |
| 16:04.59 | Dustin| | AsaPhelps, if you need any help with it pm me |
| 16:06.13 | Clord | lol |
| 16:06.24 | Clord | wrong chat |
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| 16:07.14 | AsaPhelps | when was the last game based on a movie that was good |
| 16:07.48 | Xan | star wars something? |
| 16:07.55 | Xan | knights of the old republic |
| 16:07.55 | Xan | :D |
| 16:07.59 | ILoveZerg | Does anybody know how to change the fungal growth ability so it does not stop the movement of the enemy |
| 16:08.03 | AsaPhelps | that wasn't really based on a movie though |
| 16:08.25 | Xan | well |
| 16:08.27 | Xan | same universe |
| 16:08.36 | AsaPhelps | Fungal growth - appply root |
| 16:08.55 | AsaPhelps | change that period to 0 or just get rid of it |
| 16:09.29 | ILoveZerg | k ty I will try that |
| 16:09.29 | depthsofchaos | asa, i just dled this :p http://static.sc2mapster.com/content/attachments/2/554/Rocket.SC2Map |
| 16:09.31 | AsaPhelps | change the infestro - fungal growth search to 0 |
| 16:09.44 | AsaPhelps | yeah depth i've tried that a couple tries, i couldn't get it to work |
| 16:09.49 | `228zip | The LOTR games weren't bad either |
| 16:09.56 | AsaPhelps | though i did make it crash whenever i attacked |
| 16:10.09 | AsaPhelps | i mean work when i copied it |
| 16:10.10 | depthsofchaos | the map didnt work without any change? |
| 16:10.30 | depthsofchaos | oh |
| 16:11.01 | depthsofchaos | i wish there were emitters in this game :o |
| 16:11.10 | Repo | New map: http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/stargate-galaxies/. Stargate Galaxies. PatchOne (Manager/Author). Experimental. Approved by xhatix. |
| 16:11.50 | Alpha_vst | SWEET |
| 16:11.58 | Alpha_vst | FIXED MY MAP BOUNDS |
| 16:12.11 | `228zip | You didn't know how to change map bounds ? |
| 16:12.45 | Alpha_vst | i did but readjusting the fow gave me issues :( |
| 16:14.12 | Alpha_vst | i have 3 map sizes and i wanted them all to have that edge of world look |
| 16:15.09 | Skizot | is patchone here? |
| 16:15.18 | `228zip | Skziot |
| 16:15.24 | `228zip | The thing you told me to do |
| 16:15.29 | `228zip | It actually made the thing worse |
| 16:15.34 | Alpha_vst | lol |
| 16:16.44 | `228zip | OOps |
| 16:16.51 | `228zip | Forgot to update the code to go with it |
| 16:19.37 | Skizot | ... |
| 16:19.50 | Skizot | you set hieghtmap? |
| 16:19.52 | Skizot | or pathing? |
| 16:19.59 | `228zip | Height map |
| 16:20.04 | Skizot | weird. |
| 16:20.10 | Skizot | it works awesome for me :( |
| 16:20.18 | `228zip | Well, I just said I forgot to update the code to with it |
| 16:20.30 | Skizot | oh. lol |
| 16:20.58 | `228zip | I did a test with WorldHeight(c_heightMapAir, u), because that's what's supposed to work |
| 16:21.22 | `228zip | Obviously it didn't work and my unit was following the height of the ground |
| 16:21.30 | `228zip | So then I changed the mover with that code |
| 16:21.37 | `228zip | And that wasn't good =/ |
| 16:21.41 | `228zip | Now it works like a charm |
| 16:22.32 | Skizot | :D |
| 16:24.47 | Alpha_vst | woot |
| 16:24.54 | Skizot | now i better see some buggy awesome ness happen |
| 16:24.56 | Skizot | :P |
| 16:25.38 | `228zip | Well, the implementation of the latency module is done, so next step is making it possible to move backwards |
| 16:27.19 | AsaPhelps | anyone know much about attaching actors to units? |
| 16:28.17 | Skizot | what about it? |
| 16:29.06 | depthsofchaos | anyone knows how to tint an actor? or model |
| 16:29.46 | Alpha_vst | actor message |
| 16:29.51 | Alpha_vst | only way |
| 16:30.51 | depthsofchaos | thx |
| 16:31.15 | Alpha_vst | :P |
| 16:31.58 | depthsofchaos | and how do i refer with it to a just created actor:o |
| 16:32.14 | depthsofchaos | i mean with an ability i create the actor |
| 16:32.37 | Alpha_vst | save the actor to a variable? idono :P |
| 16:33.28 | Skizot | what would be a good weapon model for a nuke launcher? |
| 16:33.54 | `228zip | It needs to be a BFG, that's for sure |
| 16:33.58 | Dustin | deathnight114 |
| 16:34.08 | Dustin | Is the actor attached to anything |
| 16:36.19 | depthsofchaos | nope |
| 16:36.30 | Dustin | Where's it coming from then |
| 16:36.48 | depthsofchaos | its attackhed to an ability sry |
| 16:37.56 | Skizot | preferably a gun attached to a unit. |
| 16:38.07 | Skizot | so i can snatch it. |
| 16:38.18 | Alpha_vst | lol |
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| 16:38.41 | `228zip | Maybe the Thor's gun ? |
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| 16:39.55 | depthsofchaos | ok im stupid i should set tint color in the creation event :/ |
| 16:40.14 | Alpha_vst | i dont think that works |
| 16:40.20 | Alpha_vst | but if it does let me know :D |
| 16:40.39 | Skizot | ooooohhhh... good idea zip. |
| 16:40.43 | Skizot | TO THE THOR! |
| 16:41.19 | Alpha_vst | how about the turret of a siege tank thats huge :D |
| 16:42.09 | Skizot | thor is fun and witty |
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| 16:42.13 | Dustin | Wtf, can I not import a TGA and then display it as a screen image... |
| 16:42.15 | depthsofchaos | alpha, it worked :p |
| 16:42.23 | Skizot | AND CRASHES 3DSMAX |
| 16:42.24 | Alpha_vst | sweet |
| 16:42.27 | Skizot | damn |
| 16:42.29 | Skizot | dustin |
| 16:42.35 | Skizot | did you SAVE after importing? |
| 16:42.38 | `228zip | It can't handle the manliness. |
| 16:42.40 | Repo | New knowledge base page: http://www.sc2mapster.com/api-docs/tutorials/ by vjeux |
| 16:42.41 | Dustin | I did not |
| 16:42.48 | Alpha_vst | you must save |
| 16:42.53 | Alpha_vst | of it doesnt commit |
| 16:43.01 | Alpha_vst | or it does not :D |
| 16:43.07 | Dustin | Mother fuckers need to tell me I gotta save then! |
| 16:43.15 | `228zip | well |
| 16:43.22 | Alpha_vst | it does dustin 0.o |
| 16:43.23 | Dustin | Much better, gracias porfivours |
| 16:43.24 | Alpha_vst | sorta |
| 16:43.28 | `228zip | We kinda assumed you knew the most basic thing about importing Dustin. |
| 16:43.39 | `228zip | SAVE SAVE SAVE |
| 16:43.51 | Dustin | First thing i've imported :P |
| 16:44.04 | Alpha_vst | imported files are green or something deleted files are red and files inside a map are black |
| 16:44.15 | `228zip | Moved files are blue |
| 16:44.21 | `228zip | and renamed ones are pink |
| 16:44.25 | Alpha_vst | really? |
| 16:44.25 | Dustin | Interesting |
| 16:44.41 | `228zip | I don't know what happens if you import a new file, rename it, move it and then delete it |
| 16:44.59 | `228zip | The editor probably explodes in a burst of color |
| 16:45.05 | Alpha_vst | yeah |
| 16:45.25 | Skizot | oh man |
| 16:45.36 | Skizot | the thor arm is a fucking AWESOME looking gun pickup |
| 16:45.44 | Clord | blizzard should add map publisher nickname ^^ so can hide in match ;) |
| 16:46.09 | Alpha_vst | but you cant even publish... |
| 16:46.32 | Clord | it is called thinking ahead |
| 16:46.34 | `228zip | You probably won't be able to publish anything before the game comes out |
| 16:46.44 | `228zip | maybe on the last weeks of beta |
| 16:46.46 | Clord | I didn't say when lol |
| 16:46.56 | Clord | I just said they should add such thing lol |
| 16:47.23 | `228zip | How dare you question Blizzard's judgement ?! |
| 16:47.37 | Clord | lol |
| 16:47.42 | Clord | blizzard is not my king yet |
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| 16:47.48 | `228zip | They are the one who are balancing WoW, that's a good proof to say they always do the right decision |
| 16:47.49 | `228zip | . |
| 16:47.50 | Clord | and second.. I lvie in democracy |
| 16:47.56 | Dustin | Fuck |
| 16:48.05 | Clord | balancing WoW... chuckle |
| 16:48.06 | Dustin | I wish we could grab the size of the players window |
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| 16:48.06 | Clord | XD |
| 16:48.13 | Dustin | or set shit to a Percentage |
| 16:48.16 | Clord | nice sarcasm there :) |
| 16:48.21 | Alpha_vst | yeah its a bitch |
| 16:48.31 | `228zip | It is indeed. |
| 16:48.47 | `228zip | However |
| 16:49.00 | `228zip | It could cause desynchronizations |
| 16:49.13 | `228zip | And Blizzard apparently doesn't want that to happen |
| 16:49.23 | `228zip | Actually |
| 16:49.33 | `228zip | Is there ANY way to desynchronize players ? |
| 16:49.53 | Clord | tons of data is loaded again and again when map start to prevent desynch because custom maps... |
| 16:49.58 | Clord | good example of fail EALA |
| 16:50.05 | Clord | and their custom map "supporT" |
| 16:50.06 | Rectifier | im sure there are many ways to de-sync |
| 16:50.23 | Clord | play custom map and next map is desynch |
| 16:51.03 | `228zip | Rectifier: If there are many, mention one. |
| 16:51.06 | `228zip | Only one. |
| 16:51.26 | `228zip | WC3 had its GetLocalPlayer() which was the obvious way to do it |
| 16:51.29 | Rectifier | spawn 1000 units for everyone |
| 16:51.50 | `228zip | And ? |
| 16:52.01 | Clord | unless some player has dial up |
| 16:52.06 | Clord | that would not do the trick yet |
| 16:52.15 | `228zip | SC2 can have up to 16383 units on at the same time |
| 16:52.25 | Alpha_vst | fuck shit |
| 16:52.28 | `228zip | And I don't see what spawning units can do. |
| 16:53.46 | Rectifier | cause lag? |
| 16:53.58 | `228zip | And ? |
| 16:54.10 | `228zip | Once I caused lag, what do I do with it ? |
| 16:54.28 | Rectifier | laugh when everyone ragequits of course |
| 16:54.45 | Skizot | YAY |
| 16:54.54 | Rectifier | voluntary de-sync ;) |
| 16:55.10 | `228zip | i wasn't talking about that kind of desync |
| 16:55.30 | Rectifier | you mean a server split ? |
| 16:55.33 | `228zip | I was talking about desynchronizing players while keeping them in the same game |
| 16:55.35 | Skizot | new item models, working drop system, MULTIPLE WEAPONS, laying down, custom jump model, and WOKRING MULTIPLAYER! not bad for a nights work. |
| 16:55.45 | nicoli_s | very sweet skizot |
| 16:55.53 | Rectifier | your a machine |
| 16:56.09 | xttocs | Skizot, did you get with your wife last night? |
| 16:56.10 | Dustin | Skizot, wtf you talking about |
| 16:56.17 | Skizot | yes i did. |
| 16:56.19 | Clord | does not compute... grammatical "your" error... anyways jokes aside |
| 16:56.23 | xttocs | =P |
| 16:56.35 | Skizot | and i'm talking about terran conflict dustin |
| 16:56.39 | `228zip | When I do that kind of stuff it usually takes me two weeks to actually put it into the map |
| 16:56.53 | Dustin | I want to play it! |
| 16:56.56 | Dustin | Send it over :P |
| 16:57.05 | Skizot | let me test some stuff |
| 16:57.10 | Skizot | then we'll do a multi |
| 16:57.19 | Dustin | Woot |
| 16:57.26 | xttocs | I'll join you in multi Skiz |
| 16:57.37 | Skizot | it's 2p only :/ |
| 16:57.44 | xttocs | So kick Dustin out =P |
| 16:57.49 | Skizot | though i COULD add a third pretty easily i'd think. |
| 16:57.53 | Skizot | he asked first :P |
| 16:58.04 | xttocs | Yeah I know |
| 16:58.11 | Dustin | Dont you be kickin me out :P |
| 16:58.19 | xttocs | When are we gonna make PR2 |
| 16:58.23 | Dustin | slaps xttocs! |
| 16:58.30 | xttocs | I wanna play those maps |
| 16:59.31 | Repo | Knowledge base page update: http://www.sc2mapster.com/api-docs/tutorials/ by vjeux |
| 16:59.43 | Dustin | Should I leave my character selection as it is, looks like D2 selectino screen, or make it more Arcade fighter like this http://www.videogamesblogger.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/03/turtle-select-screen.jpg |
| 16:59.46 | vjeux | 91 - 6 tutorials left :p |
| 17:00.09 | Skizot | FUCK. |
| 17:00.16 | Skizot | i can't hit my blimps. |
| 17:00.18 | Skizot | lol |
| 17:00.35 | Clord | people usually prefer grid like systems |
| 17:00.39 | Clord | easy to select character |
| 17:01.14 | xttocs | Shit |
| 17:01.23 | xttocs | I should make TNMT for SC2 |
| 17:01.27 | xttocs | Dustin, great idea! |
| 17:01.30 | Dustin | ;) |
| 17:01.46 | Dustin | Ive been wanting to make a side scrolling Beat 'em up since wc3 |
| 17:01.47 | xttocs | Or some other NES/SNES styled game |
| 17:02.00 | Dustin | I even tried, but controls were a bit wonky |
| 17:03.37 | Skizot | oh dude.. |
| 17:03.43 | Skizot | a tmnt fighter would be EASY |
| 17:03.49 | Dustin | Ya |
| 17:03.53 | Dustin | Be fun as fuck to |
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| 17:04.20 | Skizot | would need 4 good melee classes though |
| 17:04.44 | Alpha_vst | lol is there 4 melee units? |
| 17:04.48 | Dustin | Zealot, DArk Templar, Zergling and make the marauder punch shit hehe |
| 17:05.22 | Skizot | zergling = hydra. |
| 17:06.00 | Alpha_vst | but hydra is ranged i guess it does have a melee animation though... |
| 17:06.08 | Skizot | that's all it needs. |
| 17:06.09 | Dustin | You could do range classes to |
| 17:06.14 | Alpha_vst | fuck that |
| 17:06.15 | Skizot | no. |
| 17:06.18 | Dustin | Simple projectile system |
| 17:06.29 | Alpha_vst | no projectile system is simple :P |
| 17:06.33 | Dustin | hehe |
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| 17:06.59 | Arthasyouthere | Arthas-, up for a test ? |
| 17:07.05 | Arthasyouthere | ~seen Arthas- |
| 17:07.09 | purl | arthas- is currently on #sc2mapster. Has said a total of 37 messages. Is idling for 2h 58m 1s, last said: 'Motive we are euro! :D'. |
| 17:07.48 | Arthasyouthere | ~seen HP-X|Arthas |
| 17:07.49 | purl | hp-x|arthas is currently on #sc2mapster (16h 45m 29s), last said: 'www.ronniejamesdio.com'. |
| 17:08.12 | Skizot | lol i was thinking of doing a pilotwings style skydiving map. |
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| 17:08.36 | `228zip | Skizot : Got a video ? I have no idea what game you are talking about |
| 17:09.43 | Alpha_vst | you never played pilotwings? |
| 17:10.43 | Alpha_vst | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tyjfExO6diE |
| 17:11.04 | Skizot | why are my blimps god?! |
| 17:11.19 | marine63 | quest 64 was awesome :0 |
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| 17:11.40 | HelixDnB | Morning everyone |
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| 17:12.56 | Alpha_vst | quest 64 was the best |
| 17:13.00 | lololol | whoah didn't know ppl still use fail irc lol |
| 17:13.28 | lololol | skype/ajax ftw |
| 17:13.36 | Alpha_vst | then go away |
| 17:13.40 | Skizot | go back to your faggotry. |
| 17:14.01 | Skizot | that was easy |
| 17:14.02 | AsaPhelps | quest 64 was the best rpg for n64 |
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| 17:14.10 | Alpha_vst | yeah |
| 17:14.28 | Alpha_vst | even though it was super easy :( |
| 17:14.45 | AsaPhelps | quest 64 was also the worst rpg for n64 |
| 17:14.53 | Alpha_vst | LIES |
| 17:14.56 | Alpha_vst | okay |
| 17:15.11 | Alpha_vst | it wasnt the best but it was awesome |
| 17:15.14 | AsaPhelps | name an rpg for n64 besides quest 64 |
| 17:15.27 | Alpha_vst | was orge battle a rpg? |
| 17:15.31 | AsaPhelps | no |
| 17:15.52 | Alpha_vst | never got to play it :( |
| 17:17.21 | Alpha_vst | if i stiand i would have to say Paper Mario was the best rpg on 64 |
| 17:18.04 | Alpha_vst | ignore if i stiand... :D |
| 17:18.38 | Alpha_vst | and um wasnt harvest moon a rpg :P |
| 17:18.49 | Alpha_vst | that sorta wins over quest 64 |
| 17:19.02 | Rectifier | i think its funny when people call a timesink an rpg |
| 17:19.17 | Vailreth | HM was a Sim |
| 17:19.28 | Rectifier | e.g. mmorpgs... |
| 17:20.23 | AsaPhelps | how was paper mario an rpg |
| 17:21.09 | Alpha_vst | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jZz7cpYoTs |
| 17:21.13 | Alpha_vst | how was it not? |
| 17:21.18 | vjeux | Alpha_vst: pilotwings was so great! |
| 17:21.39 | AsaPhelps | i don't remember |
| 17:21.43 | AsaPhelps | touche then sir |
| 17:22.17 | Skizot | :D |
| 17:22.19 | Skizot | items rock! |
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| 17:24.09 | Alpha_vst | Gauntlet Legends is also a rpg :P |
| 17:24.17 | Kalekin | *waves* |
| 17:24.46 | AsaPhelps | anyone know how to make a weapon shoot dummy units? |
| 17:25.01 | Alpha_vst | look at a unit that shoots dummy units? |
| 17:25.28 | probalon | anyone know what damage dealt (scaled) means? |
| 17:25.41 | HelixDnB | so Alpha, how'd the ghost turn out? |
| 17:26.02 | Alpha_vst | um i have not fixed it yet :P |
| 17:26.05 | HelixDnB | haha |
| 17:26.06 | HelixDnB | k |
| 17:26.11 | Skizot | hmmmmm... |
| 17:26.12 | Alpha_vst | but i did other units |
| 17:26.15 | Alpha_vst | that turned out good |
| 17:26.21 | HelixDnB | alright so I have 2 questions that maybe you guys can help me out with |
| 17:26.30 | Vailreth | ok |
| 17:26.45 | Alpha_vst | http://i49.tinypic.com/smc7mf.jpg |
| 17:26.45 | Skizot | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:26.53 | Skizot | why won't that facing work? |
| 17:27.02 | HelixDnB | 1: is there a way to create a button that when pushed sends an attack to a specific location on the map? |
| 17:27.16 | Alpha_vst | yes |
| 17:27.21 | probalon | I know how to do that with triggers |
| 17:27.27 | HelixDnB | alpha, the box/crate looks great man |
| 17:27.43 | vjeux | Alpha_vst: are you editing the textures or is that using lightning thingies? |
| 17:27.48 | Alpha_vst | both |
| 17:27.52 | vjeux | ok |
| 17:28.04 | Alpha_vst | but the textures are black and white... |
| 17:28.12 | Alpha_vst | and grey also lol |
| 17:28.17 | Kalekin | That's not in the editor is it? |
| 17:28.35 | HelixDnB | and 2: is there a way to restrict building to a larger grid than is currently in SC2? |
| 17:28.45 | Alpha_vst | http://i47.tinypic.com/1zwke10.jpg one with blood.... |
| 17:28.58 | Skizot | make the blood greyscale! |
| 17:29.03 | HelixDnB | alpha, I really like the look |
| 17:29.06 | Alpha_vst | what do u mean by larger? |
| 17:29.16 | HelixDnB | actually skizz I like that it's red |
| 17:29.23 | Kalekin | Hehe, that looks pretty neat. |
| 17:29.25 | Xan | are those flat cliffs alpha? |
| 17:29.25 | Xan | ^^ |
| 17:29.26 | Alpha_vst | skizot i want the effects to not be grey scale lol |
| 17:29.33 | Alpha_vst | nope its a unit xan |
| 17:29.34 | HelixDnB | think shindler's list and the red being the only color |
| 17:29.51 | HelixDnB | alright here's what I mean |
| 17:30.05 | Skizot | sin city lol |
| 17:30.10 | HelixDnB | I want to have like an 8x8 "game board" |
| 17:30.21 | Alpha_vst | they have a 8x8 footprint |
| 17:30.25 | Alpha_vst | there you go |
| 17:30.31 | HelixDnB | so |
| 17:30.52 | HelixDnB | with that they'd have to be moved over 8 "units"/"spaces" before they could be built? |
| 17:30.53 | nicoli_s | Alpha_vst: is that a in game shot or something you overlaid? |
| 17:30.55 | probalon | helix for 1, event>unit uses ability action>create unit issue last created order attack target |
| 17:31.02 | Alpha_vst | thats in game.... |
| 17:31.24 | nicoli_s | very cool |
| 17:31.33 | HelixDnB | as in I couldn't have the building being built in between 2 squares? |
| 17:31.33 | probalon | does anyone know the difference between (scaled) and (unscaled) for damage dealt in mod+? |
| 17:31.42 | Alpha_vst | yeah |
| 17:31.45 | Skizot | hmmmm |
| 17:31.46 | HelixDnB | maybe having something to do with veterency prob |
| 17:31.47 | Alpha_vst | scaled doubles |
| 17:31.53 | Alpha_vst | or triples |
| 17:31.59 | Kalekin | Anyone here done a bit of work with turrets and triggers? |
| 17:32.19 | Skizot | i need help with actor messages... would fix my LAST bug. |
| 17:32.20 | Alpha_vst | scaled is x(3) |
| 17:32.33 | Kalekin | Which message Skizot? |
| 17:32.34 | Alpha_vst | unscaled is +(#) |
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| 17:32.43 | Kalekin | Or rather, what is the issue? |
| 17:32.47 | Aegis_Runestone | Oh hai |
| 17:33.02 | Skizot | i need to RESET a unit animation.. do it doesn't freeze after telling it to play an animation |
| 17:33.30 | Kalekin | Freeze it's position? |
| 17:33.42 | probalon | he meant so it doesn't freeze |
| 17:33.55 | Skizot | watch my video on the front page.. |
| 17:33.59 | Skizot | watch the wueen |
| 17:34.00 | probalon | can't you just order to clear animation? |
| 17:34.05 | Skizot | after she spits out the eggs |
| 17:34.09 | Skizot | she freezes solid |
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| 17:34.13 | Kalekin | I see. |
| 17:34.20 | Demonette | Hi Guys |
| 17:34.21 | Skizot | i want her to go back to the stand animation. |
| 17:34.41 | Kalekin | My first thought would be to fiddle with events on the actor |
| 17:34.45 | Kalekin | not attempt it through triggers |
| 17:34.58 | Alpha_vst | skizot make her fidget 100% chance to stand? |
| 17:35.19 | Kalekin | An untidy approach :p |
| 17:35.19 | probalon | someone please tell me the difference between (scaled) and (unscaled) damage dealt |
| 17:35.43 | Alpha_vst | i did probalon scaled is x(#) and unscaled is +(#) |
| 17:36.00 | probalon | ah I missed it, ty |
| 17:37.06 | HelixDnB | ok so Alpha |
| 17:37.33 | HelixDnB | with the footprint, making it 8x8, would that prevent it from being built in between 2 squares? |
| 17:37.55 | Alpha_vst | what do u mean inbetween 2 squares ? |
| 17:37.59 | HelixDnB | ok |
| 17:38.09 | HelixDnB | sec, lemme draw up a picture real fast |
| 17:38.23 | Alpha_vst | lol |
| 17:38.27 | Skizot | Alpha_vst... they don't fidget anymore. |
| 17:38.30 | Skizot | they FREEZE |
| 17:38.37 | Alpha_vst | :( |
| 17:38.47 | Kalekin | Skizot, I think it's difficult to say how to fix it |
| 17:38.54 | Kalekin | without knowing how you shoot out the banelings |
| 17:38.59 | Kalekin | is it an ability you created in the data editor? |
| 17:39.00 | Skizot | i need to thaw them after calling an actor animation |
| 17:39.05 | Kalekin | or do you do it through tirggers? |
| 17:39.11 | Skizot | banelings? |
| 17:39.12 | Kalekin | okay |
| 17:39.32 | Kalekin | eggs sorry |
| 17:39.34 | Kalekin | not banelings |
| 17:39.40 | Skizot | yeah it's all triggered |
| 17:39.57 | Aegis_Runestone | Hey, Skizot, how does one go about adding small archons to attachment points? I never found the attachments for the model. |
| 17:40.09 | Skizot | open the model in the previewer |
| 17:40.18 | Skizot | and check the attchment points folder. |
| 17:40.25 | Aegis_Runestone | okay... |
| 17:40.28 | Skizot | those are all the AVAILABLE attachment points. |
| 17:40.52 | HelixDnB | ok alpha |
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| 17:41.10 | HelixDnB | here: http://www.1217design.com/pics/grid1.png |
| 17:41.27 | HelixDnB | ok you looking at that image? |
| 17:41.37 | Arthas- | `228zip |
| 17:41.39 | Arthas- | here now |
| 17:42.25 | Alpha_vst | yeah.... |
| 17:42.36 | HelixDnB | ok, so you see the smaller squares |
| 17:42.40 | Alpha_vst | yeah |
| 17:42.52 | HelixDnB | say those are the current 1x1 squares of SC2 right now |
| 17:43.01 | Alpha_vst | ok... |
| 17:43.10 | HelixDnB | I want to make the squares bigger, hence the bigger grid square |
| 17:43.15 | HelixDnB | now |
| 17:44.05 | Alpha_vst | uh huh |
| 17:44.10 | HelixDnB | sec |
| 17:44.36 | HelixDnB | http://www.1217design.com/pics/grid2.png |
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| 17:44.56 | HelixDnB | I don't want what's happening with the red square to happen |
| 17:45.01 | HelixDnB | only the green square |
| 17:45.04 | HelixDnB | get it? |
| 17:45.13 | Skizot | lol carcassone! |
| 17:45.47 | Alpha_vst | cant do it 0.o |
| 17:45.58 | HelixDnB | there's no way to do that? |
| 17:46.17 | Alpha_vst | the grid is hard coded into the game... |
| 17:46.20 | HelixDnB | nah, not carcassone haha, never heard of that game before |
| 17:46.31 | HelixDnB | hmmmm |
| 17:46.48 | HelixDnB | well, I suppose I could do it by just having a REALLLLLLLY tiny map |
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| 17:47.58 | Alpha_vst | welll hmmmm |
| 17:47.59 | HelixDnB | well see this is what I'm wondering, cause the guy that did the tetris with SC2 kinda had it restricted that way... |
| 17:48.27 | Alpha_vst | but your not placing units with tetris... |
| 17:48.33 | Alpha_vst | its all triggers |
| 17:48.47 | HelixDnB | well |
| 17:49.02 | HelixDnB | could you setup triggers at the start of the game for something like that |
| 17:49.19 | HelixDnB | to where it moved the stuff into place and then once the "placement" stage was over with |
| 17:49.31 | HelixDnB | they weren't able to be moved again |
| 17:49.32 | Wiz10011 | hey, how do i set a trigger to only operate when theres a unit present in a region? |
| 17:49.45 | Alpha_vst | what are you trying to do helix? |
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| 17:49.54 | HelixDnB | pm me |
| 17:50.24 | Repo | Knowledge base page update: http://www.sc2mapster.com/api-docs/tutorials/ by vjeux |
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| 17:50.48 | `228zip | ~seen mikelat |
| 17:50.49 | purl | mikelat <~mikelat@H112.C204.cci.switchworks.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #sc2mapster, 15h 23m 59s ago, saying: 'say cheese, you're on camera'. |
| 17:54.42 | Arthas- | `228zip |
| 17:54.44 | Arthas- | ! |
| 17:54.49 | Arthas- | you called |
| 17:55.07 | `228zip | Yes! |
| 17:55.14 | `228zip | I need you for a test =o |
| 17:55.33 | Arthas- | aight |
| 17:55.35 | Arthas- | any minute |
| 17:55.40 | Arthas- | patching |
| 17:55.44 | Arthas- | go pm |
| 17:56.06 | Xan | patch is out? |
| 17:56.37 | Arthas- | i havent patched since last yet |
| 17:56.38 | Arthas- | :p |
| 17:56.41 | Xan | oh lol |
| 17:56.44 | Arthas- | frankly because i dont trust it! |
| 17:57.01 | nicoli_s | i dont see a message about a patch |
| 17:57.11 | MaxMode | it was a mac only patch |
| 17:57.16 | Xan | the patch is a lie |
| 17:57.17 | nicoli_s | that was from a week ago |
| 17:57.23 | MaxMode | fixed a prob with crash logs |
| 17:57.25 | Arthas- | MaxMode exactly |
| 17:57.29 | Arthas- | then why is it patching on windows |
| 17:57.36 | MaxMode | i had a 10 gig crash log |
| 17:57.40 | nicoli_s | so version numbers are insync id assume |
| 17:57.50 | Arthas- | well nicoli_s |
| 17:57.53 | Arthas- | the patchfile is 5 mb |
| 17:57.54 | Arthas- | :p |
| 17:58.00 | nicoli_s | and they upped the build number by like 60 |
| 17:58.06 | nicoli_s | so i doubt it was JUST that |
| 17:58.14 | vjeux | they announced it to be just that |
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| 17:58.52 | jven | anyone here playing any SC2 ums? :S |
| 17:58.53 | vjeux | i really need to make a little tool that does a diff of the patch |
| 17:59.05 | nicoli_s | vjeux: people already do that |
| 17:59.11 | vjeux | who? |
| 17:59.13 | nicoli_s | Grum has a diff site setup |
| 17:59.19 | vjeux | well, it's only for xml files |
| 17:59.39 | vjeux | and I have to rely on him |
| 18:01.32 | `228zip | Got a good uploading/downloading website ? |
| 18:01.47 | vjeux | sc2mapster? |
| 18:02.22 | `228zip | It's for a private and temporary reason |
| 18:02.31 | `228zip | not reason, version |
| 18:02.49 | Skizot | ugh |
| 18:03.04 | Skizot | all this work for a STUPID "movable" checkbox :( |
| 18:05.10 | Arthas- | holy shit |
| 18:05.43 | Grum | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:05.57 | Arthas- | when patching the game, it actually takes the latest patch and applies the new data to that |
| 18:05.59 | Grum | but we have a patch? |
| 18:06.04 | Grum | yes that sucks ;( |
| 18:06.09 | Arthas- | meaning after editor patch, all patches take ~800 MB |
| 18:06.14 | Arthas- | what kind of shit is that |
| 18:06.34 | Grum | well you can probably toss the old patches away and you cannot see the replays from those patches |
| 18:06.35 | Arthas- | 4.82 gb for versions folder :\ |
| 18:06.40 | Arthas- | Grum exactly |
| 18:06.45 | Arthas- | which i want to be able too |
| 18:06.50 | Grum | they set it up really nice and then they fucked it up |
| 18:06.51 | Arthas- | but why doesnt it just append the patchies |
| 18:07.06 | Grum | well if that was the case you'd need to read *EVERY* patch *EVERY* time |
| 18:07.13 | Grum | which could be way worse |
| 18:07.15 | Dustin | :O |
| 18:07.24 | Arthas- | i can handle the waiting time :p |
| 18:07.32 | *** join/#sc2mapster Gohla (~user@53543F60.cable.casema.nl) |
| 18:07.33 | Grum | yes but it would get longer every patch |
| 18:07.33 | Dustin | Skizot, Let's play that map! |
| 18:07.34 | Arthas- | much rather than wasting movie space to this! :< |
| 18:07.40 | Grum | hehehe |
| 18:07.49 | Grum | a movie per patch |
| 18:07.50 | Arthas- | ah well |
| 18:07.53 | Arthas- | map testing ahead! |
| 18:08.01 | Grum | or 0.16 movies per patch if you watch hd shit ;) |
| 18:09.49 | Repo | Knowledge base page update: http://www.sc2mapster.com/api-docs/tutorials/ by vjeux |
| 18:11.48 | vjeux | they should have made a consolidated system: some versions (like the last) are full ones and the majority is only a diff |
| 18:13.09 | *** join/#sc2mapster iHaveReturnd (~45ff1002@gateway/web/freenode/x-yzhhzbaorpnannys) |
| 18:13.16 | Repo | Knowledge base page update: http://www.sc2mapster.com/api-docs/tutorials/ by vjeux |
| 18:13.53 | Repo | Knowledge base page update: http://www.sc2mapster.com/api-docs/tutorials/ by vjeux |
| 18:14.42 | iHaveReturnd | hello |
| 18:15.23 | vjeux | hey |
| 18:16.22 | iHaveReturnd | I didnt realize there was an IRC until i just saw someones post lol |
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| 18:17.56 | Grum | vjeux: i think they might revert to that yeah |
| 18:18.10 | Grum | they prolly see its taking shitloads of space |
| 18:18.12 | *** part/#sc2mapster Rectifier (~ranctifie@71.67.145.50) |
| 18:18.22 | iHaveReturnd | ....what? |
| 18:18.58 | Aegis_Runestone | Hey, iHaveReturnd |
| 18:19.30 | iHaveReturnd | hello, i haven't used IRC's much so is there anything I should know about how to use it? |
| 18:19.58 | Xan | no |
| 18:20.05 | `228zip | ~8ball Anything he should know ? |
| 18:20.06 | purl | Are you smoking crack? |
| 18:20.14 | `228zip | He shouldn't know that. |
| 18:20.18 | Aegis_Runestone | well, there's the /me command |
| 18:20.22 | Aegis_Runestone | does something |
| 18:20.45 | Aegis_Runestone | And it depends on the client you use for the rest. |
| 18:20.52 | iHaveReturnd | lol alright |
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| 18:21.32 | *** mode/#sc2mapster [+o vjeux_] by ChanServ |
| 18:21.53 | Arthas- | ok |
| 18:21.58 | Arthas- | anyone else having troubles with mapcraft? |
| 18:22.07 | Alpha_vst | everyone always does :P |
| 18:22.21 | Arthas- | what directory is lt, anyone knows? =p |
| 18:22.42 | vjeux_ | lower than |
| 18:22.45 | iHaveReturnd | it deleted my map o.O but I had a backup - I think its because I didn't do restore or something |
| 18:22.45 | vjeux_ | oops |
| 18:23.54 | Arthas- | hmmm |
| 18:24.04 | Arthas- | `228zip did you get correct loading screen? |
| 18:24.27 | `228zip | Yes, every time |
| 18:24.30 | *** join/#sc2mapster Ignorance (~daviddavi@ip98-164-217-125.oc.oc.cox.net) |
| 18:24.40 | `228zip | I don't understand though |
| 18:24.43 | Ignorance | Hey guys, are there any tutorials/explanations of what preset types are out? |
| 18:24.50 | Ignorance | I've been wondering how to use them. |
| 18:24.53 | `228zip | What kind of loading screen did you have ? |
| 18:25.06 | Arthas- | LT classic |
| 18:25.13 | Arthas- | just as it doesnt swap |
| 18:25.15 | Arthas- | so ima swap manually |
| 18:25.27 | `228zip | Did you change your SC2 folder recently ? |
| 18:25.32 | `228zip | its location I mean |
| 18:25.44 | Arthas- | nope |
| 18:26.53 | Arthas- | aight ready fortest! |
| 18:27.57 | Ignorance | ooohhhh I see |
| 18:28.03 | Ignorance | dude, preset types are AWESOME |
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| 18:28.12 | Ignorance | wait, no |
| 18:28.16 | Ignorance | preset variables are awesome |
| 18:28.24 | Ignorance | not sure what preset types do still |
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| 18:29.19 | TriGuN | zzz |
| 18:30.27 | Ignorance | okay, I think I get how this works. |
| 18:31.52 | `228zip | ~seen rrowland ? |
| 18:31.55 | purl | `228zip: i haven't seen 'rrowland ' |
| 18:32.05 | Arthas- | ~seen rrowland |
| 18:32.06 | purl | rrowland is currently on #sc2mapster (3m 54s), last said: 'Ah well, that sucks. He won't know until I wake up and drag my ass to the computer'. |
| 18:32.06 | rrowland | Sup |
| 18:32.26 | `228zip | Did you test c_heightMapAir ? |
| 18:32.31 | `228zip | I don't get what it gives |
| 18:32.39 | rrowland | It gives you the heightmap for an air unit |
| 18:33.14 | `228zip | Well it doesn't add the ground height |
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| 18:33.29 | `228zip | So |
| 18:33.37 | `228zip | It's the fly height of the units on that point ? |
| 18:33.42 | rrowland | It's the same as c_heightMapGround except it has steady invisible ramps leading up and down cliffs |
| 18:34.02 | `228zip | Isn't that exactly what you were looking for actually ? |
| 18:34.08 | rrowland | No |
| 18:34.22 | rrowland | The opposite actually |
| 18:34.31 | rrowland | I'd want a heightmap that has no ramps |
| 18:34.50 | rrowland | The invisible ramps are what cause the jitter |
| 18:35.11 | Xan | ramps? |
| 18:35.20 | `228zip | Well but if you know the height of these invisible ramps |
| 18:35.26 | `228zip | You can correct the height, can't you ? |
| 18:35.34 | rrowland | Nope |
| 18:35.40 | Xan | why dont you just remove the auto-height thing? |
| 18:35.48 | `228zip | Because it's on the cam |
| 18:35.52 | rrowland | I can, for my unit |
| 18:35.55 | rrowland | The unit moves smoothly |
| 18:36.00 | rrowland | The camera jitters |
| 18:36.07 | Xan | oh |
| 18:36.08 | Xan | weird |
| 18:36.14 | Repo | Knowledge base page update: http://www.sc2mapster.com/api-docs/tutorials/ by vjeux |
| 18:36.26 | `228zip | What you set about the cam is the point it's looking at, right ? |
| 18:36.39 | Arthas- | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a324ykKV-7Y&feature=player_embedded |
| 18:36.41 | `228zip | and you can define the offset Z ? |
| 18:36.42 | Arthas- | worth watching |
| 18:37.16 | rrowland | Yep |
| 18:37.34 | Ignorance | Okay, guys, I've figured out how preset types work. They're effectively watered down functions. I can find no difference, other than that one appears in preset and the other in functions. I suppose they're also organized slightly differently if that is at all helpful. |
| 18:38.02 | Ignorance | You make one and it'll appear in your preset list for the type you specified. It has to be scripted too. |
| 18:38.04 | `228zip | I assume what you're doing right now is WorldHeight(c_heightMapGround, p) + height |
| 18:38.07 | TriGuN | prolly pointless to ask but has anyone heard any news on custom games multiplayer in the beta ( not third party) |
| 18:38.24 | `228zip | You could do WorldHeight(c_heightMapGround, p) + WorldHeight(c_heightMapAir, p) + height, right ? |
| 18:38.30 | rrowland | No |
| 18:38.41 | rrowland | Just take out the first worldheight |
| 18:38.53 | rrowland | The heightmaps are the same except the ramps |
| 18:38.58 | rrowland | If you add them you get double |
| 18:39.12 | `228zip | It's not what it returned for me but whatever |
| 18:39.27 | `228zip | why won't it work with WorldHeight(c_heightMapAir, p) + height ? |
| 18:39.45 | rrowland | Cause it's an even bigger ramp which will cause an even bigger stutter |
| 18:40.13 | `228zip | it's not the same ramp for cam and units ? what the hell |
| 18:40.34 | `228zip | I guess you tried with the gliding height map too |
| 18:40.46 | rrowland | Yeah I don't get what the difference with gliding is |
| 18:40.50 | rrowland | Seems the same as ground |
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| 18:41.58 | Mariehane | can someone answer my question? |
| 18:41.59 | Arthas- | btw |
| 18:42.00 | Arthas- | im currently looking for Roland MT-32 & Gravis Ultrasound audio card |
| 18:42.06 | Arthas- | if anyone has one im interested :) |
| 18:42.33 | Mariehane | i need to make a unit attack-move |
| 18:43.12 | Mariehane | how do i do so |
| 18:45.25 | *** join/#sc2mapster iHaveReturnd_ (~45ff1002@gateway/web/freenode/x-oaqgokcrdfbajixi) |
| 18:46.44 | FiBsTeR | anyone here want to play some ums? :] |
| 18:46.55 | Alpha_vst | im making walls... |
| 18:46.59 | Alpha_vst | its fun 0.o |
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| 18:47.13 | Skizot | oh hells yeah bitches |
| 18:47.17 | Skizot | EASTER EGGS |
| 18:47.21 | Alpha_vst | ? |
| 18:47.28 | Alpha_vst | did you get that sound file to play? |
| 18:47.35 | Alpha_vst | i never tried it :P |
| 18:47.48 | HelixDnB | lunch time, be back in a bit |
| 18:47.56 | Skizot | qwhat sound file? |
| 18:48.10 | Alpha_vst | the sound file named easter egg |
| 18:49.22 | Skizot | BWAHAHAHAHA |
| 18:49.26 | Skizot | AWESOME. |
| 18:49.42 | Alpha_vst | no idea where i saw it.... |
| 18:52.02 | Vailreth | is it me or should the medivac sound a little more like the dryad from wc3 just not as ditzy |
| 18:52.15 | Arthas- | nor do windows earch wanna find it |
| 18:52.16 | Arthas- | :p |
| 18:52.58 | Arthas- | well |
| 18:53.01 | Alpha_vst | i know i saw it though more than once... |
| 18:53.02 | Arthas- | we got car blinkers sound! |
| 18:54.29 | Skizot | i have cheat codes |
| 18:54.30 | Skizot | :P |
| 18:54.41 | Arthas- | from the game? |
| 18:54.42 | Arthas- | share! |
| 18:54.47 | Arthas- | or in your map |
| 18:54.51 | Arthas- | :p |
| 18:55.39 | Repo | Knowledge base page update: http://www.sc2mapster.com/api-docs/tutorials/ by vjeux |
| 18:55.43 | vjeux | 2 pages to go ... |
| 18:55.47 | vjeux | there are so much tutorials |
| 18:55.49 | vjeux | :) |
| 18:55.57 | Azu | zzz |
| 18:56.09 | Skizot | my map. |
| 18:56.11 | Arthas- | ima make another xml! :p |
| 18:56.16 | Azu | practice was tiering ;_; |
| 18:56.45 | Skizot | tiring? |
| 18:57.11 | Arthas- | so since we have geeks in here, does anyone have a roland lapc-1 mt-32 :p |
| 18:57.45 | Arthas- | hmm foudn one on ebay |
| 18:57.47 | Xan | wtf is that, a motorsaw? |
| 18:57.48 | Arthas- | 72 pount so far |
| 18:57.49 | Xan | :D |
| 18:57.53 | Arthas- | xan, a soundcard |
| 18:57.56 | Arthas- | http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Roland-LAPC-I-LAPC-1-CM-32L-MTU-401-Vintage-/230475808208?cmd=ViewItem&pt=UK_Computing_ComputerComponents_SoundCards&hash=item35a96dbdd0 |
| 18:57.59 | Xan | o |
| 18:58.07 | Xan | why would you want a crap sound card |
| 18:58.11 | Arthas- | from end of 80-ish |
| 18:58.16 | Arthas- | screw you |
| 18:58.23 | Arthas- | you obviously never played games w old sound cards :p |
| 18:58.34 | Xan | didnt have a computer until like 2000 |
| 18:58.35 | Xan | :P |
| 18:59.14 | probalon | anyone know if there is a way to un-import files? I got some WoW icons and now it takes me forever to test out my maps x_x |
| 18:59.25 | Xan | remove them from import list? |
| 18:59.31 | Xan | right click - remove |
| 19:00.47 | Vailreth | i found out were to edit the help text that appeares on the loading screens ..if that is important and no one knows yet |
| 19:01.18 | vjeux | Map > Loading Screen? :) |
| 19:01.58 | Vailreth | no its in the ut settings |
| 19:02.03 | Vailreth | ui ahem |
| 19:02.12 | Skizot | awwwweeesome. |
| 19:02.36 | Skizot | i THINK it might be time for a new video .... it's that awesome. |
| 19:02.53 | Clord | Blizzard is probably coffee break and does not remember to press button yet |
| 19:02.54 | Skizot | but i really want to fix up me boss a bit. |
| 19:03.53 | Skizot | anyone mind helping me figure out how to get a model to reanimate after getting actor called? |
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| 19:04.30 | Vailreth | what are you doing thats causing the animation to freeze? |
| 19:05.46 | iHaveReturnd_ | are hydras, lings, marines, marauders, and zealots the only units that dance? |
| 19:05.51 | HelixDnB | You can make a unit attack a specific regions correct? |
| 19:06.00 | HelixDnB | I didn't even know there was dancing in the game :O |
| 19:06.13 | iHaveReturnd_ | i would use a point for attacking, but yea you can helix |
| 19:06.21 | Aegis_Runestone | Thors dance, too |
| 19:06.25 | HelixDnB | k, that works too |
| 19:06.26 | deliverancelost | You can make them attack a random point in a region, but I don't know about a region in general |
| 19:06.39 | HelixDnB | yea, point works instead |
| 19:06.41 | deliverancelost | or top left of region, etc |
| 19:06.48 | HelixDnB | forgot about that |
| 19:06.51 | HelixDnB | nice |
| 19:07.05 | iHaveReturnd_ | i wonder if they will make all the units dance for the release or not o.O |
| 19:07.23 | HelixDnB | probably |
| 19:07.25 | deliverancelost | I think so, there's a lot of animation names that don't work right now |
| 19:07.36 | Skizot | Vailreth Actor - Send message "AnimPlay {} Attack" to actor (Actor for Queen - Queen (Burrowed) [142.22, 190.12]) |
| 19:07.44 | Skizot | she is unburrowed by this time. |
| 19:07.54 | Skizot | and DOES attack. |
| 19:07.56 | Skizot | but after |
| 19:08.00 | Skizot | she freezes solid. |
| 19:08.23 | HelixDnB | is there an animation loop that isn't looping? |
| 19:08.26 | deliverancelost | You can't use a play animation for actor for unit trigger? |
| 19:08.41 | deliverancelost | instead of send message to actor i mean |
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| 19:09.44 | Skizot | hmmm. |
| 19:09.47 | Skizot | that would work. |
| 19:09.57 | Skizot | okay how would you restart it after a model swap? |
| 19:10.15 | Vailreth | what are you trying to achieve? |
| 19:10.23 | deliverancelost | restart the attack animation? |
| 19:10.35 | Skizot | no, restart ALL animation. |
| 19:11.07 | deliverancelost | walk me through it, you're changing the model for the queen, and want it to restart animation loop? |
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| 19:13.32 | deliverancelost | If that's the case, you can "set animation completion" for the old model to 100% before the swap, and then use another play animation for actor for unit trigger. It will play the animation of whatever the current actor is |
| 19:14.07 | Skizot | ugh... pm incoming. |
| 19:15.57 | Aegis_Runestone | Ping is getting everybody! |
| 19:16.00 | Aegis_Runestone | run! |
| 19:16.22 | Wiz10011 | there a way to close SC2 after a trigger causing it to freeze completly? (it wont minimaze, covering the task manager, cant alt tab,or alt F4) |
| 19:17.07 | xttocs | unplug your computer |
| 19:17.10 | iHaveReturnd_ | ive had that happen, but ctrl alt delete works.... so i don't know why it wont work for you lol |
| 19:17.38 | Vailreth | that happens to me sometimes and i have had to turn off my computer |
| 19:18.51 | Wiz10011 | it wouldnt work when i started the task manager because SC2 wouldnt minimaze and the task manager would be behind the game. |
| 19:19.46 | Wiz10011 | but the alt control delete made the task manager pop up, thanks |
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| 19:21.29 | NeoDeathXp | Hey folks |
| 19:21.35 | iHaveReturnd_ | hello |
| 19:21.39 | Vailreth | hello |
| 19:22.10 | NeoDeathXp | i am having some crazy problems with my battle UI functionality |
| 19:22.31 | NeoDeathXp | mostly the enemy HP bars |
| 19:22.52 | NeoDeathXp | alsot there though |
| 19:22.57 | NeoDeathXp | almost* |
| 19:24.29 | Alpha_vst | im fucking confused |
| 19:24.37 | Vailreth | why? |
| 19:25.42 | Alpha_vst | because im using the same footprints with the same sizes and everything but these walls are 2 diffrent footprints... |
| 19:26.17 | Alpha_vst | one is 8x8 and the other is 6x6 0.o |
| 19:28.51 | Alpha_vst | so hmm it might be the model im using but i would think it was the same... |
| 19:29.04 | Repo | New map: http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/tropical-ridge/. Tropical Ridge. arhpositive (Manager/Author). Approved by grum. |
| 19:29.20 | Repo | New map: http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/trials-khali-episode-ii/. The Trials of the Khali, Episode II. deliverancelost (Manager/Author). Approved by grum. |
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| 19:30.05 | deliverancelost | Hey, I was just about to ask you guys what you thought about that, good timing. |
| 19:30.10 | Repo | Knowledge base page update: http://www.sc2mapster.com/api-docs/tutorials/ by vjeux |
| 19:30.20 | Repo | New asset: http://www.sc2mapster.com/assets/list-library/. List Library. Thalassicus (Manager/Author). Approved by grum. |
| 19:30.54 | Alpha_vst | about what |
| 19:31.49 | deliverancelost | http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/trials-khali-episode-ii/pages/main/ posted a new youtube video about some new abilities, any feedback is appreciated |
| 19:33.33 | vjeux | psiwave is awesome :) |
| 19:33.53 | deliverancelost | Thanks :) |
| 19:34.06 | Clord | patch would be even more awesome |
| 19:34.44 | deliverancelost | I'm off to work folks (ugh), catch you all later this evening |
| 19:34.59 | nicoli_s | later |
| 19:35.44 | vjeux | the aiblities are really cool :) |
| 19:35.45 | xttocs | Oh no |
| 19:35.47 | xttocs | REAL LIFE |
| 19:36.01 | vjeux | do you have to press jump to go across a cliff? |
| 19:36.08 | vjeux | or does it jump automatically |
| 19:39.26 | Alpha_vst | how could i duplicate a m3 model? |
| 19:40.11 | Skizot | ? |
| 19:40.13 | Skizot | for what? |
| 19:40.32 | Alpha_vst | so i could give it different textures... |
| 19:40.47 | Alpha_vst | or how do i give the same model more than 1 texture? |
| 19:41.07 | Skizot | ummm. |
| 19:41.14 | Skizot | i THINK you chan change the texture |
| 19:41.22 | Skizot | as you changing EVERYTHING? |
| 19:41.26 | Skizot | normals specs etc? |
| 19:41.30 | Alpha_vst | yeah |
| 19:41.38 | Demonette | What you think of this http://www.archina.ebytehost.com/Ressources/Maps/Watching_Overmind.png? |
| 19:41.43 | Alpha_vst | i would need to change the footpritn also... |
| 19:41.49 | Skizot | oh.. then maybe you DO need to hex edit the m3. |
| 19:41.59 | Skizot | footprint is done in the data editor |
| 19:42.05 | Alpha_vst | yeah |
| 19:44.02 | HelixDnB | so how easy are animated UIs with GE if I can create the animated UI ahead of time? |
| 19:44.16 | HelixDnB | or at least the animations |
| 19:44.30 | HelixDnB | or is Blizz using Scaleform for that? |
| 19:45.52 | Demonette | =( |
| 19:46.27 | Aegis_Runestone | pokes everyone and points out the link that Demonette put up. |
| 19:46.43 | xttocs | It looks like a vagina |
| 19:46.44 | xttocs | slightly |
| 19:46.46 | HelixDnB | looks ok, what's it really supposed to be tho? |
| 19:46.58 | Aegis_Runestone | The overmind |
| 19:47.04 | Skizot | :( |
| 19:47.18 | Skizot | only one "entry" so far for my loading screen contest |
| 19:47.19 | Skizot | http://static.sc2mapster.com/content/attachments/3/109/TC.jpg |
| 19:47.31 | Skizot | it's nice.. but not 80's enough |
| 19:47.39 | HelixDnB | nice skiz |
| 19:47.43 | Skizot | not mine :P |
| 19:47.44 | HelixDnB | are you going for a Frazetta look? |
| 19:47.46 | Aegis_Runestone | I wonder if people here have actually PLAYED SC1? The eye should be obvious as to what it is. |
| 19:47.47 | HelixDnB | oh |
| 19:47.49 | HelixDnB | hah |
| 19:47.59 | HelixDnB | I only played the skirmish mode |
| 19:48.05 | Skizot | *I* want this.. |
| 19:48.06 | Skizot | http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/65/Contra_cover.jpg |
| 19:48.09 | Skizot | but starcraft. |
| 19:48.12 | Triceron | its gotta look like NES cover art |
| 19:48.20 | HelixDnB | ahhhhh |
| 19:48.22 | Skizot | bingo! |
| 19:48.25 | HelixDnB | interesting |
| 19:48.40 | Skizot | i'm giving a beta key to the winner |
| 19:48.44 | Triceron | you need like, bad ripoffs of movie poster covers, painted |
| 19:48.58 | Skizot | also triceron.. YOU found out how to do TC huh? |
| 19:49.00 | Skizot | lol |
| 19:49.05 | Triceron | i never said that |
| 19:49.08 | Triceron | I said I got it working |
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| 19:49.53 | Skizot | okay.. good point :P |
| 19:49.56 | Alpha_vst | tc? |
| 19:50.06 | Skizot | team colors. |
| 19:50.49 | Triceron | I wouldn't be so shameless to steal credit like that! |
| 19:51.04 | Repo | Knowledge base page update: http://www.sc2mapster.com/api-docs/tutorials/ by vjeux |
| 19:51.08 | vjeux | wow, all the tutorial listed |
| 19:51.11 | vjeux | there are many of them! |
| 19:51.15 | Kalekin | Skizot, I can't tell my your video, does the characters aiming direction follow your mouse cursor passively? |
| 19:51.19 | Skizot | i was just messing with you :P |
| 19:51.22 | Kalekin | Or does it only update it when attacking? |
| 19:51.32 | Skizot | no, it's active. |
| 19:51.47 | Skizot | and it only goes up. |
| 19:51.57 | Skizot | 53 degrees weird enough. |
| 19:52.08 | Skizot | it's the marines attack_supieror animation |
| 19:52.30 | Kalekin | No I mean, from my understanding it isn't possible to passively poll for the cursors position |
| 19:52.35 | Kalekin | except when the mouse clicks a button |
| 19:53.21 | Alpha_vst | yup |
| 19:53.29 | Skizot | yeah |
| 19:53.34 | Skizot | no passive, only active. |
| 19:53.40 | Kalekin | Okey dokes |
| 19:53.46 | Skizot | i WISH for passive. |
| 19:53.52 | Kalekin | :)\ |
| 19:53.58 | Skizot | my flamethrower would be WICKED. |
| 19:54.09 | HelixDnB | so when working with the UI, how large of an area do you have to work with? |
| 19:54.13 | Skizot | as it is it can crash sc2 without even thinking. |
| 19:54.23 | HelixDnB | yea skiz, I'm working on a flamethrower myself |
| 19:54.24 | Skizot | the entire screen. |
| 19:54.24 | NeoDeathXp | how how do i get my tutorial on there? |
| 19:55.14 | Kalekin | Meh, turrets are driving me insane, time to move onto something else. ;/ |
| 19:55.22 | Skizot | i HAVE a flamer, and it's freaking sweet. |
| 19:55.28 | HelixDnB | nice |
| 19:55.38 | HelixDnB | does it have a burn effect on the unit ala napalm? |
| 19:55.39 | Skizot | but i have to figure out how to make it NOT suck. |
| 19:55.45 | NeoDeathXp | Vjeux: How to i get my tutorial on that page? do i just create a new page? |
| 19:55.52 | Skizot | they die before they can burn to death |
| 19:55.56 | HelixDnB | hmmmm |
| 19:55.58 | vjeux | you can edit that page |
| 19:56.00 | Skizot | but yes. |
| 19:56.05 | HelixDnB | word |
| 19:56.08 | vjeux | http://www.sc2mapster.com/api-docs/tutorials/edit/ |
| 19:56.11 | Skizot | it uses the hellions attack effect. |
| 19:56.21 | Skizot | with it's own missle model. |
| 19:56.21 | HelixDnB | yea, that's what I used for my Pyro |
| 19:56.30 | HelixDnB | oh nice |
| 19:56.30 | NeoDeathXp | ah and just post the link to the tutorial |
| 19:56.41 | Skizot | missle,attack,and effect. |
| 19:56.46 | HelixDnB | very cool |
| 19:56.47 | Skizot | i can mix and match as i see fit. |
| 19:56.58 | HelixDnB | you'll have to lemme check it out sometime |
| 19:57.00 | Skizot | grogian and i have been busting our asses making it work right. |
| 19:57.31 | Triceron | are you gonna add droppable power ups? |
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| 19:57.38 | Skizot | already in. |
| 19:57.42 | Triceron | sweet |
| 19:57.44 | Skizot | :D |
| 19:57.54 | Skizot | so far only sheilds, and 3 guns. |
| 19:58.08 | Skizot | i had to disable the flame thrower until i know what to do with it. |
| 19:58.17 | Triceron | how'd you get the marine laying btw? is that model swap? |
| 19:58.28 | Skizot | yeah |
| 19:58.31 | Triceron | haha nice |
| 19:58.32 | Skizot | :) |
| 19:58.39 | Skizot | looks good though right? |
| 19:58.41 | Triceron | yah |
| 19:58.45 | Triceron | very Contra :D |
| 19:59.28 | Skizot | i have a jump too. |
| 19:59.43 | nicoli_s | looking very cool |
| 19:59.50 | Skizot | and if i can get it to set the fucking rotation WHILE setting height he'll front flip like a pro |
| 19:59.51 | nicoli_s | all the people in my office were impressed when they saw it |
| 19:59.52 | Repo | Knowledge base page update: http://www.sc2mapster.com/api-docs/tutorials/ by NeoDeathXp |
| 20:00.03 | Skizot | i'll so a livestream real fast. |
| 20:00.04 | NeoDeathXp | cool |
| 20:00.10 | Skizot | show off the new stuff |
| 20:00.34 | Triceron | hey Helix, how are you gonna do the scout double jumping? |
| 20:00.42 | Skizot | that's EASY |
| 20:00.44 | Skizot | lol |
| 20:01.03 | HelixDnB | triceron, right now I don't think I'm going to |
| 20:01.12 | HelixDnB | it might just be a speed burst instead |
| 20:01.13 | Triceron | ah |
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| 20:01.31 | HelixDnB | because I don't know how indepth the first person/third person will be |
| 20:01.35 | Repo | Knowledge base page update: http://www.sc2mapster.com/api-docs/tutorials/ by NeoDeathXp |
| 20:02.00 | HelixDnB | mainly like say for instance with 2forts, I'd have to make the entire base, import it, proper scale, etc |
| 20:02.09 | Skizot | stream is up! Http://www.livestream.com/skizot |
| 20:02.13 | HelixDnB | and I don't know how in-depth of a process that'd be |
| 20:02.33 | HelixDnB | my idea for the mean-time is to recreate like the layout of 2forts using terrain |
| 20:02.42 | HelixDnB | instead of going in-doors |
| 20:03.04 | HelixDnB | if I have the time though I'll absolutely be doing that and the double-jump will be added |
| 20:03.41 | HelixDnB | tonight though I'll be working on a quick project that should only take me the night |
| 20:03.43 | Skizot | anyone watching? |
| 20:03.48 | Skizot | like am i too loud? |
| 20:03.52 | HelixDnB | lemme see if I can watch at work skiz |
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| 20:05.38 | nicoli_s | nooooo adddds! |
| 20:06.23 | Arthas- | ok |
| 20:06.25 | Arthas- | Triceron |
| 20:06.30 | Arthas- | WHO THE HELL IS TALKING TO YOU |
| 20:06.34 | *** part/#sc2mapster TriGuN (~liz@pool-173-72-74-161.cmdnnj.fios.verizon.net) |
| 20:06.35 | Arthas- | I have voices in my speakers |
| 20:06.37 | Arthas- | now music |
| 20:06.39 | Arthas- | O_o |
| 20:06.47 | Arthas- | and among 50 tabs i cant find it :D |
| 20:07.07 | Arthas- | Skizot |
| 20:07.10 | Arthas- | is it you |
| 20:07.35 | Arthas- | found it |
| 20:07.58 | Arthas- | you seriously scared the crap out of me Skizot |
| 20:08.04 | Alpha_vst | okay so i think im on to something |
| 20:08.07 | HelixDnB | have you tried modifying his height while he does that |
| 20:08.10 | HelixDnB | flip thing |
| 20:09.15 | Alpha_vst | hex editor and mpqs for the win |
| 20:09.25 | Alpha_vst | unlimited walls :D |
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| 20:12.01 | xttocs | Alpha_vst |
| 20:12.03 | xttocs | What do you mean? |
| 20:12.04 | HelixDnB | skiz - make a drop weapon function for the gun you don't want |
| 20:12.37 | Alpha_vst | i mean i can copy one model over and over again and set diffrent textures with a hex editor... |
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| 20:14.01 | Lyrrad | good afternoon |
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| 20:17.36 | Arthas- | imba hydra! |
| 20:17.54 | Lyrrad | new patch? |
| 20:18.16 | Arthas- | nah |
| 20:18.18 | Arthas- | skizots map |
| 20:19.17 | Lyrrad | oh, well Hydras should be imba as long as they are uber good since they are the coolest unit |
| 20:19.31 | Arthas- | wraith = coolest |
| 20:19.35 | Arthas- | nuf sai |
| 20:19.35 | Arthas- | d |
| 20:21.02 | Lyrrad | Hydras are way cooler then wraith |
| 20:21.21 | Ignorance | mmm I think I'm going to try to make a quicksort algorithm as an action in the trigger editor. |
| 20:22.04 | Galois-evariste | wraiths are like THE symbol of starcraft |
| 20:22.09 | Lyrrad | Wraith weren't even cool enough to make it into sc2 |
| 20:22.10 | Galois-evariste | they've been the icon of the game since 1998 ffs |
| 20:22.16 | Demonette | where a new patch? oO |
| 20:22.19 | Galois-evariste | they made it into turret defense! |
| 20:22.29 | Demonette | and good evening lyrrad |
| 20:22.49 | Ignorance | Wraiths aren't important to multiplayer. I'd rather have banshees. |
| 20:24.40 | Arthas- | nice touch |
| 20:24.51 | Arthas- | dropping the hydras! |
| 20:35.04 | Demonette | anyone here knows if it's able to get an energy wireframe to work? |
| 20:35.57 | *** join/#sc2mapster Cr0n0s (~mattb@network173-210.wctc.net) |
| 20:36.09 | Demonette | Or to greate an range acteur on an outer unit on ability.ontarget |
| 20:40.00 | Demonette | Nobody knows or everybody is busy/quitting? |
| 20:40.20 | probalon | idk |
| 20:40.48 | Demonette | idk? |
| 20:41.02 | Lyrrad | idk = I don't know |
| 20:42.08 | Demonette | at least this question gets answered ^^ |
| 20:42.42 | Lyrrad | Cause I knew the answer to that question |
| 20:43.38 | rrowland | I was processing your question but got to acteur and threw a syntax error |
| 20:44.24 | Clord | the famous patch day |
| 20:44.25 | Demonette | with the wireframe or the range? |
| 20:44.36 | Clord | friday it is |
| 20:44.37 | Clord | lol |
| 20:44.44 | rrowland | You mean thursday |
| 20:44.49 | Demonette | so i conclude nobody knows the answers to my questions |
| 20:44.57 | rrowland | Good conclusion |
| 20:45.27 | Demonette | but that won't help muc |
| 20:45.34 | Clord | I mean that this rate we see patch release friday |
| 20:45.35 | Demonette | h |
| 20:45.37 | Ignorance | Any patches that will happen before May 31st don't matter anyway. |
| 20:45.45 | Ignorance | It wont be THE patch. |
| 20:45.48 | Clord | matter of where you live |
| 20:46.25 | Lyrrad | It depends on what you are looking for in a "The" patch, if you just want publishing then maybe it would be The Patch |
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| 20:46.43 | Clord | lol? |
| 20:46.55 | Ignorance | Lyrrad, I couldn't see Blizzard letting us publish maps for a week before taking down the beta for a month |
| 20:47.23 | Lyrrad | true, probably coming after |
| 20:47.27 | Galois-evariste | agree^ |
| 20:47.46 | Clord | I think 4v4 gonna keep somewhat hooked to try stuff while team is not really cooperating |
| 20:47.50 | Lyrrad | on the other hand, maybe someone there is sadistic |
| 20:47.54 | rrowland | Hey galois what does bald +locks mean |
| 20:48.27 | Clord | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:48.33 | Clord | it would tank |
| 20:49.00 | Clord | I'm more curious to see mechanic in action |
| 20:49.37 | depthsofchaos | it will only be available to friends anyway :o |
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| 20:50.13 | Clord | there is private choice for that or so rumors say |
| 20:50.20 | Clord | you can publish map also private for only your friends |
| 20:50.38 | Clord | if some strange reason you hate to gain audience |
| 20:50.39 | Clord | lol |
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| 20:51.04 | Lyrrad | Clord - I'd proabbly use it for early test versions |
| 20:51.18 | *** join/#sc2mapster heysparky (~heysparky@216.40.136.42) |
| 20:51.35 | heysparky | howdy folks |
| 20:51.36 | Lyrrad | and the Sparky said ...oh hi sparky |
| 20:51.40 | heysparky | :) |
| 20:51.46 | Clord | Lyrrad.. yeah I know it is handy for that too ^^ |
| 20:51.54 | Clord | but generally should share |
| 20:52.13 | Clord | I just have theory of friend list exploding because that |
| 20:52.23 | Clord | imagine people who like map and some of them contact via system |
| 20:53.18 | depthsofchaos | well somehow they have to separate all the maps, there will be thousands |
| 20:53.21 | depthsofchaos | no way to choose |
| 20:53.53 | Lyrrad | search filters |
| 20:54.38 | depthsofchaos | yeah but that wont mean others want to play it as well :o |
| 20:54.47 | Clord | they could pick maps randompy per user |
| 20:54.49 | Clord | to show |
| 20:54.54 | Clord | from least played ones |
| 20:55.08 | Clord | so they would not show entire database at once in face |
| 20:55.13 | Clord | XD |
| 20:55.34 | Lyrrad | The least played ones are probably least played for a reason |
| 20:56.27 | Clord | anyways current system looks like this... what interface indicates |
| 20:56.32 | Clord | it shows new maps for users |
| 20:56.43 | Clord | then they will be mass played |
| 20:56.50 | Clord | and if they have some standards people play them more |
| 20:57.24 | depthsofchaos | could work, but how will they filter maps from useless |
| 20:57.50 | depthsofchaos | i mean i can make maps where 5000 ultra is created :p and laugh as their server crashes |
| 20:58.18 | Lyrrad | Keep track of how often a map is played |
| 20:58.53 | Lyrrad | if a map has been up for 3 months and has only a dozen plays, you can be fairly sure its a crap map |
| 20:59.26 | Skizot | making a health and sheild model. |
| 20:59.51 | Clord | they can make automatic trash cleaner |
| 21:00.10 | Clord | they could bring least played maps over and over again and if they don't pick up |
| 21:00.12 | Clord | they are threw away |
| 21:01.27 | depthsofchaos | id just keep reuploading it |
| 21:01.40 | depthsofchaos | anyway its hard to control i wonder how they solve it |
| 21:01.55 | Lyrrad | be easy to come up with some sort of popularity rating, Times played / days since published |
| 21:03.05 | Lyrrad | I am hoping that they include some sort of versioning system so that you don't end up with 200 slightly different copies of the same map |
| 21:03.29 | Lyrrad | as bugs and balances get fixed |
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| 21:08.15 | Repo | New map: http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/fighting-spirit/. (4) Fighting Spirit. GGprodiG (Manager/Author). Approved by sixen. |
| 21:08.18 | Repo | New map: http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/impervious/. (2) Impervious. GGprodiG (Manager/Author). Approved by sixen. |
| 21:08.40 | rrowland | So |
| 21:08.46 | rrowland | 3 people to play sniper wars with me? |
| 21:09.10 | Lyrrad | work or play |
| 21:09.27 | rrowland | It's my awesome map from the dark side |
| 21:09.30 | rrowland | You know you want to play |
| 21:09.32 | Furyhunter | Please say Patch 13 is imminent |
| 21:09.49 | Lyrrad | Patch 13 is imminent |
| 21:10.05 | Motive | Nooo :( |
| 21:10.09 | Motive | Patching on two OSes sucks. |
| 21:10.25 | rrowland | Threeeee people for sniper wars, let's go people |
| 21:10.27 | Lyrrad | Please realize I don't actually have any idea if that statement is true, but I was asked to say it |
| 21:10.31 | Motive | Lol |
| 21:10.57 | Galois-evariste | nice! |
| 21:11.00 | Galois-evariste | fighting spirit is done |
| 21:11.39 | Lyrrad | I guess I better figure out how you play custom maps online |
| 21:15.05 | Repo | Knowledge base page update: http://www.sc2mapster.com/api-docs/tutorials/ by NeoDeathXp |
| 21:15.30 | rrowland | Pretty easy, you just use a tool to switch LT out with a custom map once you're in an LT custom game lobby |
| 21:16.49 | Hati | master sword! |
| 21:18.25 | Lyrrad | ok rrow where do I get this evil map? |
| 21:18.42 | Lyrrad | I feel dirty just typing that |
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| 21:19.13 | rrowland | I'll put it on rapidshare or something in a sec |
| 21:19.16 | rrowland | Need 2 more people! |
| 21:19.17 | rrowland | !!! |
| 21:20.53 | rrowland | You're US right? |
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| 21:21.52 | Lyrrad | ewww, US no way |
| 21:22.11 | rrowland | I have an EU account but I'm in Us |
| 21:22.14 | rrowland | So I'll lag balls |
| 21:22.22 | Lyrrad | I'm in Canada |
| 21:22.33 | rrowland | Okay so you're on the US server |
| 21:22.38 | Lyrrad | yes |
| 21:22.45 | rrowland | They like to call it NA |
| 21:22.45 | rrowland | But |
| 21:23.00 | rrowland | We all know as far as NA goes, it's just US with a hat and a beard |
| 21:23.39 | rrowland | Anybody else here on the US/NA server? |
| 21:23.40 | Lyrrad | A really cool wickedly awesome hat |
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| 21:24.05 | rrowland | I'm gonna start listing names to ping people in a second |
| 21:24.13 | ubdead | hello |
| 21:24.17 | rrowland | ubdead, US/NA? |
| 21:24.20 | Lyrrad | ub wants to |
| 21:24.21 | ubdead | nope |
| 21:24.31 | rrowland | Why not |
| 21:24.36 | rrowland | You suck |
| 21:24.38 | ubdead | im EU |
| 21:24.39 | ubdead | lol |
| 21:25.06 | Lyrrad | ub don't feel bad, I more or less got told the same thing and I am on the NA server |
| 21:25.35 | rrowland | Skizot Motive Ignorance Sixen Hati heysparky |
| 21:25.36 | ubdead | lol |
| 21:25.50 | Hati | ? |
| 21:25.52 | Lyrrad | sparky is in the USA |
| 21:25.54 | rrowland | If your IRC just pinged you it's because you've been selected to play sniper wars on the US servers |
| 21:26.05 | Hati | iam EU |
| 21:26.09 | rrowland | >=[ |
| 21:26.13 | Sixen | =o |
| 21:26.30 | Lyrrad | that means I am free! I didn;t get pinged |
| 21:26.33 | rrowland | I know sixen wants to play |
| 21:26.36 | Furyhunter | Sixen, patch on the patch servers? :D |
| 21:26.49 | Furyhunter | squirms with anxiety |
| 21:26.59 | rrowland | Fury, are you NA? |
| 21:27.15 | Furyhunter | yes |
| 21:27.17 | Lyrrad | Did you just call Fury fat? |
| 21:27.31 | rrowland | How does NA mean fat? lol |
| 21:27.32 | ubdead | lol |
| 21:27.42 | ubdead | (he's implying all Americans are fat) |
| 21:27.45 | Lyrrad | you asked him if he was NA, not if he was on NA |
| 21:27.54 | rrowland | Even though NA includes canada |
| 21:27.59 | rrowland | You canadian retard |
| 21:28.00 | heysparky | did someone say my name? |
| 21:28.09 | rrowland | Yes |
| 21:28.10 | Motive | woo, just found an evil bug in the editor |
| 21:28.20 | rrowland | You're going to play sniper wars with us |
| 21:28.23 | Motive | Action Queue seems to not preserve the parameters of any call you pass it. |
| 21:28.25 | rrowland | (my map) |
| 21:28.32 | Motive | Lol once I test this maybe :P |
| 21:28.33 | Lyrrad | Sparky you got volunteered for a trip to evil |
| 21:28.40 | heysparky | sweet |
| 21:28.47 | heysparky | lemme pack my sunblock |
| 21:29.00 | ubdead | nerd lol |
| 21:29.10 | rrowland | fury, play sniper wars with us as the fourth |
| 21:29.38 | Furyhunter | maybe! |
| 21:29.53 | rrowland | You mean "Boy howdy, why sure" and right now |
| 21:30.05 | ubdead | mnn does anybody know how to set the distance units will follow when they aquire an enemy? |
| 21:30.17 | heysparky | heysparky.sparky |
| 21:30.24 | rrowland | rrowland.rwr |
| 21:30.40 | Lyrrad | lyrrad.lyrrad |
| 21:30.59 | heysparky | my apologies to anyone on my team |
| 21:31.08 | rrowland | No teams today |
| 21:31.09 | ubdead | lol |
| 21:31.10 | rrowland | FFA |
| 21:31.20 | rrowland | (Since I haven't added teams yet) |
| 21:31.22 | rrowland | Plus ffa is more fun |
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| 21:31.59 | Vailreth | youknow i am a texan because only a texan would consider a nice steak to be a snack |
| 21:32.00 | Motive | Blah I'm going to tear my head off. |
| 21:32.11 | rrowland | So my map only has 1 download lol |
| 21:32.12 | Motive | Map works fine on single player, even with multiple computers. As soon as I do it on Battle.net w/ AI it breaks. |
| 21:32.13 | Motive | Ugh |
| 21:32.15 | Triceron | Hey Skizot, are you keeping that marine or are you gonna model swap when animations become available? |
| 21:32.34 | Triceron | custom model I mean |
| 21:32.35 | Skizot | huh? |
| 21:32.44 | Triceron | for the player characters |
| 21:32.48 | Skizot | when animations ARE available... |
| 21:32.50 | rrowland | sparky logging on? |
| 21:32.51 | heysparky | not seeing you as addable rowland |
| 21:32.54 | Skizot | i'll add them to the model. |
| 21:33.00 | rrowland | You on US? |
| 21:33.01 | heysparky | already in |
| 21:33.05 | Triceron | but are you keeping the player character a marine? |
| 21:33.06 | rrowland | Someone said you're in US |
| 21:33.10 | heysparky | UD |
| 21:33.11 | heysparky | er |
| 21:33.13 | Triceron | or making something completely custom |
| 21:33.13 | heysparky | US |
| 21:33.21 | rrowland | Okay I'll relog |
| 21:33.26 | heysparky | I got lyrrad |
| 21:33.32 | Skizot | probably marine... BUT a custom model might be possible. |
| 21:33.34 | Skizot | why? |
| 21:34.04 | Skizot | you want to model me a contra dude? |
| 21:34.05 | Skizot | :D |
| 21:34.05 | Triceron | just curious for your splash screen |
| 21:34.43 | Skizot | if you do want to... |
| 21:35.03 | Skizot | i will make a custom animation that has him busting out of the terran armor. |
| 21:35.04 | Skizot | :D |
| 21:35.06 | Vailreth | i think i am going to make a link gun like in UT |
| 21:35.10 | Triceron | hahaha |
| 21:35.21 | ubdead | Skizot: thats awesome lol |
| 21:35.22 | rrowland | Hey, any of you talking people. |
| 21:35.33 | rrowland | Come play sniper wars. We need 1 more |
| 21:35.37 | rrowland | US server |
| 21:35.43 | ubdead | i would but im EU |
| 21:36.00 | Vailreth | i would but i am too oh wait im not >..>] |
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| 21:36.10 | Vailreth | where can i find the map? |
| 21:36.18 | ubdead | lol |
| 21:37.32 | Lyrrad | WTS: rrow's maps, do as you want with it, claim is as yur own just $5 |
| 21:37.56 | ubdead | ill give you a sock and some beads |
| 21:38.01 | Dustin | Skizot |
| 21:41.53 | Skizot | yo |
| 21:42.02 | Dustin | TC, lets play that shit |
| 21:42.43 | Skizot | tc? |
| 21:42.46 | Dustin | Your map |
| 21:42.48 | Skizot | oh |
| 21:42.51 | Skizot | in a bit |
| 21:42.51 | Dustin | :P |
| 21:43.17 | Skizot | working on item drops |
| 21:43.19 | Skizot | DUH |
| 21:43.24 | Dustin | Tisk tisk! |
| 21:43.31 | Skizot | making them more visible. |
| 21:43.46 | Dustin | They gonna do the cool up and down flying thing like contra? |
| 21:44.39 | ubdead | Skizot: try a "GlowStart" event on the Actor |
| 21:44.42 | ubdead | work's wonders |
| 21:44.50 | ubdead | makes the item flash |
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| 21:46.03 | redmarine | So, what variable is able to store abilities? |
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| 21:54.39 | Skizot | health drops are in. |
| 21:54.42 | Skizot | :D |
| 21:56.09 | Skizot | dustin, glowstart = actor message? |
| 21:56.35 | Dustin | Yes it is |
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| 22:00.08 | Skizot | testing some stuff now. |
| 22:00.10 | Demonette | Good night everyone |
| 22:00.16 | Skizot | new sheilds icon, totally new health item. |
| 22:00.30 | Skizot | and glowstart on weapons. |
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| 22:03.29 | Skizot | dustin be a pro. |
| 22:03.36 | Skizot | find out how to kick start animations |
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| 22:04.42 | ubdead-imposter | a |
| 22:04.45 | ubdead-imposter | really.... |
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| 22:05.28 | ubdead | arthas lol |
| 22:05.30 | ubdead | wtf u doing |
| 22:05.31 | Dustin | I dont know shit about animations lol |
| 22:05.38 | ubdead | i guess i do |
| 22:05.43 | ubdead | what's up Skizot? |
| 22:05.58 | Skizot | issues. |
| 22:05.59 | Skizot | lol |
| 22:06.09 | Rectifier | here's a tissue |
| 22:06.23 | Skizot | if i could fix the frozen animation / sheild bug |
| 22:06.33 | Skizot | i MIGHT be ready for a prelim release. |
| 22:06.48 | ubdead | mind sending me the map so i can have a go at it? |
| 22:06.51 | Rectifier | im waiting for release to dabble in custom models/anim... |
| 22:07.00 | Skizot | it's easy to setup ubdead. |
| 22:07.10 | Skizot | make a simple jump function using set height |
| 22:07.20 | ubdead | well could you be so kind send me a demo map |
| 22:07.24 | Skizot | do a swap model at the start and a swap model back at the end. |
| 22:07.26 | ubdead | im so bad at explaining things |
| 22:07.27 | Arthas-2 | ubdead upon disconnect my nick will swap |
| 22:07.28 | Arthas-2 | :D |
| 22:07.29 | Skizot | ugh. |
| 22:07.35 | Skizot | gimme a few and i will. |
| 22:07.36 | Arthas-2 | and since i nicked ubdead-impostor a day ago or so well |
| 22:07.37 | Arthas-2 | :p |
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| 22:07.46 | ubdead | lulz |
| 22:07.56 | Arthas-2 | it seems to remember it by server |
| 22:08.06 | Arthas-2 | i nicked arthas, arthas1 - 3 |
| 22:08.12 | Arthas-2 | still picks ubdead though! |
| 22:08.42 | Rectifier | hey, the terrain i want is the interior of a building, are there any good walls/cliffs i can use for that |
| 22:08.42 | Arthas-2 | my computer loves you more than i do |
| 22:08.42 | ubdead | figures |
| 22:08.42 | Arthas-2 | so if i wake up and its gone, well |
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| 22:11.14 | Arthas-2 | hmmm |
| 22:11.15 | Halleck | does anyone know how I can force a ghost to launch a nuke in a custom campaign? i'm trying to make a 3rd-person shooter |
| 22:11.26 | Arthas-2 | when is cinematic deadline? |
| 22:11.28 | Dustin | Guys, is it technically possible to make a unit with no actor model, give it a turret and set the turret model a Zealot, then just point the turret in the direction I want without it affecting the units movement? |
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| 22:11.47 | Halleck | I have made an allied ghost unit and am able to use a key press to order him to move to my position |
| 22:11.54 | NakDotNak | Hello everyone |
| 22:12.21 | Halleck | but when I try to issue the "tac nuke strike" command to my position he doesn't do anything |
| 22:12.26 | ubdead | Dustin: well i dont see any obvious errors in that, so yea could be possible i guess |
| 22:12.35 | Dustin | Ill try it out then |
| 22:13.02 | Halleck | i also added a tac nuke magazine both to him and to an allied silo - we are all under player 1 |
| 22:13.21 | rrowland | Yay, it worked except for the permanent slow |
| 22:13.22 | ubdead | hallack, try calling Nuke Launch (Persistent) on the unit |
| 22:13.22 | Lyrrad | rrow is a cheater |
| 22:13.25 | rrowland | gg guys |
| 22:13.42 | ubdead | (it's an event) |
| 22:13.46 | ubdead | effect* |
| 22:13.46 | Rectifier | in the data editor, i want units that attack once every six seconds, but the amount of time it takes to finish their weapon's "swing" will differ, what field do i alter for that |
| 22:14.01 | rrowland | So aside from being permanently slowed |
| 22:14.03 | ubdead | period: 6.0 |
| 22:14.06 | rrowland | What did you guys think |
| 22:14.11 | Arthas-2 | so, idea for cinematic competition |
| 22:14.26 | Arthas-2 | Interactive cinematic ala Heavy Rain, God of War or Fahrenheit |
| 22:14.30 | heysparky | [Sniper Feeback] Nice, man. Apart from being a total newb. |
| 22:14.37 | rrowland | lol |
| 22:14.37 | Lyrrad | I liked it when sparky stood in one place beisde the command ceneter, I could both kill sparky and hit the command ceneter |
| 22:14.39 | Vailreth | it was very fun and i liked the learn sytem and the unreal announcer |
| 22:14.41 | Arthas-2 | that goes for ~60s w different outcome |
| 22:14.48 | Rectifier | make avatar in the editor, go. |
| 22:14.50 | Arthas-2 | would that be allowed entering the contest? |
| 22:14.52 | heysparky | [Sniper Feeback] I think grenade should be a default ability |
| 22:14.55 | heysparky | that everyone has |
| 22:15.04 | Halleck | ubdead, can i call the event through an action? i'm just starting to learn the editor.. |
| 22:15.07 | Lyrrad | I took two sniper options |
| 22:15.09 | heysparky | short range, quick toss, small explosion, good damage |
| 22:15.10 | Lyrrad | I think |
| 22:15.12 | rrowland | Nobody got scattershot (the default) that round |
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| 22:15.18 | rrowland | Which is actually pretty comparable to grenade |
| 22:15.29 | ubdead | Yes Halleck, you could do a trigger with an "Create Effect At Unit from Player" |
| 22:15.33 | rrowland | It'll 1shot most players at point-blank range |
| 22:15.35 | heysparky | the sniper missiles fly REALLY slow |
| 22:15.44 | ubdead | and set the effect to "Ghost - Nuke Calldown (Create persistent) |
| 22:15.44 | heysparky | [SF] frustrating |
| 22:15.44 | Lyrrad | and the spinning thing didn;t seem to be as good as nuke |
| 22:15.48 | rrowland | Yeah they start off slow but pick up speed |
| 22:15.57 | rrowland | They also do more damage |
| 22:15.59 | ubdead | (names my be slighty different) |
| 22:16.11 | Lyrrad | yes, my sniper shots were both 1 hit kills |
| 22:16.11 | rrowland | Lyrrad was using the snipe shot well |
| 22:16.13 | heysparky | [SF] yeah, but if you have to lead someone... beh |
| 22:16.17 | ubdead | rrowland do a youtube :D |
| 22:16.25 | ubdead | sounds like fun |
| 22:16.43 | rrowland | Alright so who wants to play a 4 player FFA so I can FRAPS it |
| 22:16.44 | rrowland | :P |
| 22:16.48 | Lyrrad | it took us awhile to figure out what we were doing |
| 22:16.54 | heysparky | [SF] definitely need a 'get to know the ui' pause at the beginning when you hvae new players |
| 22:17.04 | Lyrrad | sparky and I spent the first 30 seconds or so chasing each other doing nothing |
| 22:17.07 | Vailreth | maybe once the speed issue is fixed. |
| 22:17.11 | rrowland | lol |
| 22:17.15 | rrowland | Yeah I'm gonna fix that now |
| 22:17.26 | heysparky | [SF] I also think a double reward for kills (more money and more XP) helps folks who are good be that much better |
| 22:17.46 | Lyrrad | yeah |
| 22:17.54 | Vailreth | well i am off to emplemnt a link gun |
| 22:18.20 | heysparky | [SF] maybe that's by design, so folks who are good can put folks who aren't out... but after a while I just felt like I couldn't keep up at all |
| 22:18.31 | Vailreth | wait no first i need to get my Heal gun art working bah |
| 22:18.33 | Lyrrad | I took all the weapon upgrades and then discovered there were other upgrades |
| 22:18.35 | heysparky | [SF] and stood by my CC waiting for death ... /violins |
| 22:18.42 | rrowland | haha |
| 22:18.53 | rrowland | Hmm |
| 22:18.54 | Lyrrad | thanks for that sparky, thats how I made most of my money |
| 22:19.13 | rrowland | Maybe I can add something like +10hp per level |
| 22:19.20 | Lyrrad | but that perma slow + sniper shot just didn;t work well |
| 22:19.28 | rrowland | haha Yeah |
| 22:19.29 | HelixDnB | so how easy is it to do texture overlays to terrain? |
| 22:19.32 | Halleck | ubdead, I don't see a Nuke Launch (Persistent) value but there are other ones.. .I tried Nuke (Calldown) but it didn't do anything |
| 22:19.34 | rrowland | The weapons are pretty fun man |
| 22:19.41 | rrowland | I was using the ice shot |
| 22:19.44 | rrowland | Which is why you were all slow |
| 22:19.47 | rrowland | Acid blinds you |
| 22:19.50 | rrowland | Fire sets you on fire |
| 22:19.52 | HelixDnB | ie if I want to create grid lines on my terrain |
| 22:20.01 | Lyrrad | where did you get the extra shots? |
| 22:20.03 | ubdead | Halleck: ill look up the exact name |
| 22:20.16 | rrowland | What do you mean |
| 22:20.20 | heysparky | I'd like to see powerups |
| 22:20.22 | heysparky | health |
| 22:20.24 | heysparky | that sorta thing |
| 22:20.30 | heysparky | though |
| 22:20.32 | Lyrrad | There was health power ups |
| 22:20.33 | rrowland | Like around the map sparky? |
| 22:20.33 | heysparky | with a sniping game |
| 22:20.39 | heysparky | that'd just be a trap |
| 22:20.40 | ubdead | Halleck: it's called Ghost - Nuke (Persistent) |
| 22:20.40 | rrowland | Or as upgrades? |
| 22:20.40 | heysparky | :) |
| 22:20.51 | heysparky | I don't like futzing with the interface |
| 22:20.59 | heysparky | I want to keep my attention on the game screen |
| 22:21.01 | heysparky | on the action |
| 22:21.13 | rrowland | Well you gotta pause to buy sometime :P |
| 22:21.19 | heysparky | pause? |
| 22:21.23 | rrowland | Yeah |
| 22:21.24 | Lyrrad | rrow, when you die, I think you need to clear the action queue |
| 22:21.26 | rrowland | Stop shooting people |
| 22:21.32 | rrowland | Yeah I noticed that lyrrad |
| 22:21.39 | Halleck | ubdead, yeah I just tried that one, it totally works! thanks so much :D |
| 22:21.42 | HelixDnB | also, how would I go about getting rid of the default UI? |
| 22:21.46 | ubdead | great good to hear! |
| 22:21.55 | heysparky | well, when I did pause to buy I'm browsing the gear and - BAM dead |
| 22:21.59 | heysparky | interface goes away |
| 22:22.01 | heysparky | fuck |
| 22:22.01 | rrowland | haha |
| 22:22.07 | rrowland | You can move your CC :P |
| 22:22.10 | Halleck | I now have a 3rd person shooter where you are a ghost and can cloak/decloak and call down nukes B) |
| 22:22.15 | rrowland | Or just multitask |
| 22:22.16 | heysparky | that'd go away with experience, knowing where what I wanted was |
| 22:22.19 | rrowland | I thought chicks were good at that |
| 22:22.24 | Halleck | just have to figure out nuke targeting now |
| 22:22.45 | heysparky | I'm not great at it, actually |
| 22:22.46 | Vailreth | i was hoping there would be upgrades in the command center for the sniper |
| 22:22.57 | Skizot | okay... |
| 22:22.58 | rrowland | There are items there, did you see those? |
| 22:23.06 | Lyrrad | Did everyone choose the sniper? |
| 22:23.07 | Vailreth | no. |
| 22:23.08 | Skizot | NEW new sheild model. |
| 22:23.22 | heysparky | I don't even know waht you're talking about. hah |
| 22:23.25 | rrowland | They cover your unit bar |
| 22:23.26 | Skizot | and back to default weapon at death. |
| 22:23.33 | rrowland | On bottom middle |
| 22:23.42 | rrowland | It's a shop interface |
| 22:24.00 | heysparky | you can switch weapons? good grief |
| 22:24.15 | rrowland | You can't switch abilities |
| 22:24.22 | rrowland | Equipping a weapon is like equipping any other item |
| 22:24.26 | rrowland | You get bonuses |
| 22:25.04 | Lyrrad | rrow, you should almost have money as something you pick up around the map |
| 22:25.16 | Lyrrad | force people to move around a bit |
| 22:25.27 | Skizot | switch weapons? |
| 22:25.27 | heysparky | yes |
| 22:25.31 | Skizot | yeah |
| 22:25.36 | rrowland | It's a pretty big map |
| 22:25.37 | Skizot | it's freaking contra. |
| 22:25.40 | Lyrrad | pretty much the entire game was down in that corner |
| 22:25.42 | Skizot | what do you expect :P |
| 22:25.48 | rrowland | Without the observer skill you'd never find anyone |
| 22:25.50 | heysparky | well we're inexperience |
| 22:25.52 | heysparky | +d |
| 22:25.56 | rrowland | I guess you guys had no idea |
| 22:25.56 | Skizot | hehe |
| 22:26.04 | rrowland | That there was a weapon/armor shop |
| 22:26.07 | heysparky | nope |
| 22:26.09 | rrowland | 2 of them |
| 22:26.14 | rrowland | With the same stuff |
| 22:26.15 | Skizot | oh wait. |
| 22:26.15 | Lyrrad | is that what those were? |
| 22:26.17 | rrowland | One on each side of the map |
| 22:26.20 | rrowland | The armories |
| 22:26.21 | Skizot | you are talking about the map. |
| 22:26.21 | rrowland | Yeah |
| 22:26.23 | heysparky | what was above the portrait? |
| 22:26.35 | rrowland | Your equipment/inventory buttons |
| 22:26.37 | Lyrrad | I saw them at the very end, but was trying to run away |
| 22:26.53 | Lyrrad | I had figured out about the inventory |
| 22:27.01 | Lyrrad | but that was near the end too |
| 22:27.06 | rrowland | lol Damn |
| 22:27.17 | rrowland | Well I'll fix that perma slow bug |
| 22:27.38 | rrowland | And I don't know if anyone's up for it but I want to get some FRAPS of the map with 4 players |
| 22:27.48 | rrowland | And whoever plays I'll give like 5 minutes before the game, no attacking |
| 22:27.48 | heysparky | would be good to do a youtube on the interface for folks who are going to play (if you don't plan on an ingame tutorial) |
| 22:27.50 | rrowland | To explore shit lol |
| 22:28.09 | heysparky | It's fun |
| 22:28.11 | heysparky | I'm terrible |
| 22:28.14 | Lyrrad | Tho, playing that does inspire me to work on my map more |
| 22:28.16 | heysparky | but it was fun |
| 22:28.21 | heysparky | grenades are the bomb |
| 22:28.26 | rrowland | Yeah they're fun huh |
| 22:28.42 | Lyrrad | at least until I open it up and see my terrain |
| 22:28.50 | heysparky | so, nice work (and a lot of it!) rrowland |
| 22:28.54 | rrowland | ty |
| 22:29.05 | Vailreth | i need a hand if any one knows actor events well enougth to offer help |
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| 22:29.12 | rrowland | It finally feels like a real map |
| 22:29.15 | rrowland | That just needs balancing |
| 22:29.28 | Vailreth | rrowland: i am jealous of your triggers .. |
| 22:29.48 | rrowland | haha Which ones |
| 22:30.00 | Lyrrad | triggers are evil |
| 22:30.03 | Vailreth | the kill dispays the announcer ... |
| 22:30.06 | Lyrrad | EVVVIIIIIILLLLL |
| 22:30.16 | Lyrrad | Those are from UT |
| 22:30.26 | Vailreth | i have the sounds from ut |
| 22:30.37 | Vailreth | but i havent a clue how to implement them yet |
| 22:30.39 | rrowland | The leaderboard took like 30 minutes, compared to my item system and skill system |
| 22:30.44 | rrowland | Which took like 1-2 days each lol |
| 22:31.04 | rrowland | Which I guess you guys didn't even notice until the end |
| 22:31.21 | Vailreth | i noticed the inventor but didnt get what it was for |
| 22:31.24 | Lyrrad | leaderboard? |
| 22:31.27 | rrowland | I thought being able to pick skills and have they dynamically added to your unit was pretty awesome |
| 22:31.31 | Lyrrad | jk, I saw it |
| 22:31.37 | rrowland | them* |
| 22:31.51 | rrowland | It's all 1 unit |
| 22:32.21 | Vailreth | cool |
| 22:32.44 | Vailreth | i am planning a mod with the weapons from unreal or as many as i can reproduce |
| 22:32.59 | heysparky | OOOHhhh... wait, rrowland, I remember you posting a screenshot of your inventory :) |
| 22:33.10 | Vailreth | even some TF2 class weapons and abilities |
| 22:33.11 | rrowland | I posted a video too |
| 22:33.52 | rrowland | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j69f4xJ4djs |
| 22:34.17 | Vailreth | i should make a youtub of my machine virus ability taking down an ultralisk |
| 22:35.14 | Lyrrad | I think we shoud get a 4 player game going without rrow :-) |
| 22:35.22 | rrowland | =[ |
| 22:35.30 | rrowland | You'd probably have more fun |
| 22:35.30 | rrowland | lol |
| 22:35.31 | Guest64583 | :o |
| 22:35.46 | rrowland | Do it, and get me a video to put on youtube lol |
| 22:36.38 | Lyrrad | well we need you to fix the slow first |
| 22:36.46 | rrowland | It's fixed |
| 22:36.53 | rrowland | But I haven't uploaded it yet |
| 22:37.14 | Lyrrad | and need 4 people |
| 22:37.14 | rrowland | Was thinking of other quick changes to make |
| 22:37.19 | Lyrrad | that doesn't include rrow |
| 22:37.23 | rrowland | :( |
| 22:37.31 | Lyrrad | cause he is like a uber cheater |
| 22:37.35 | rrowland | lol |
| 22:37.39 | rrowland | I know how to play my own game ;P |
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| 22:37.49 | rrowland | And didn't spend the first 5 minutes dying trying to read items haha |
| 22:38.15 | Lyrrad | None of us spent the first 5 minutes dying trying to read the items |
| 22:38.19 | rrowland | I'm gonna buff desperation a little bit |
| 22:38.26 | Lyrrad | We didn;t know they where there |
| 22:38.29 | rrowland | It has a 0.3 second delay before it casts |
| 22:38.36 | rrowland | Gonna remove that so it's instant |
| 22:38.47 | rrowland | Should make it easier to run up to somebody and kill them |
| 22:39.01 | Repo | New map: http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/hell-td/. Hell TD. Fropper (Manager/Author). Approved by xhatix. |
| 22:39.12 | rrowland | Or maybe I'll just make the spin faster |
| 22:39.15 | Lyrrad | I still think I would take the nuke over it |
| 22:39.27 | rrowland | Well, try both |
| 22:39.35 | Lyrrad | you are an easy target when you use it since you have to just stand there for a second |
| 22:39.36 | rrowland | When people stack speed boost items |
| 22:39.47 | Lyrrad | you could stack speed boost? |
| 22:40.00 | rrowland | Stack not really |
| 22:40.08 | rrowland | Since you can only wear 1 of each type |
| 22:40.15 | Lyrrad | I had some +90 speed boost item |
| 22:40.16 | rrowland | But there's like the muscular which is +90 |
| 22:40.37 | rrowland | Then you can get one of the armors which gives +crit +dodge and like +20 movespeed |
| 22:40.46 | Lyrrad | which is why I guess I wasn't quite as slowed as the others |
| 22:40.47 | rrowland | Then you get +10 movespeed per physical training level |
| 22:40.56 | rrowland | Which is that passive ability you can get in your skills |
| 22:40.58 | Lyrrad | pysical training? |
| 22:40.59 | rrowland | By levelling |
| 22:41.11 | rrowland | Yeah |
| 22:41.12 | Lyrrad | oh, those |
| 22:41.13 | rrowland | Looks like a syringe |
| 22:41.24 | rrowland | Gives you movespeed and hp |
| 22:41.31 | Lyrrad | I only discovered those after I had gotten all the weapon upgrades(I didn;t notice them bfore that) |
| 22:41.37 | rrowland | Yeah |
| 22:41.43 | rrowland | They are available at level 5/10/15 |
| 22:41.46 | rrowland | Like the ultimates |
| 22:41.51 | rrowland | And the recon is available at level 2 |
| 22:41.56 | rrowland | It pings everyone on your minimap |
| 22:42.07 | Lyrrad | thats how you kept finding me |
| 22:42.08 | Skizot | http://i49.tinypic.com/288jee.jpg |
| 22:42.10 | Skizot | :) |
| 22:42.12 | rrowland | Yeah |
| 22:42.21 | rrowland | But it's got probably about a 30 second cooldown |
| 22:42.31 | Lyrrad | I thought you were following my bullets |
| 22:42.31 | rrowland | Gonna package and upload fixed map |
| 22:42.45 | rrowland | Sometimes I was |
| 22:42.49 | rrowland | A lot of it was recon though |
| 22:42.56 | Lyrrad | since I was randomly and blindly firing into the unknown |
| 22:42.57 | rrowland | It looks like scanner sweep |
| 22:42.58 | rrowland | The button |
| 22:43.02 | rrowland | lol |
| 22:43.19 | Lyrrad | I got a couple people off in the dark blind firing |
| 22:43.30 | rrowland | You got a couple people off huh |
| 22:44.05 | Lyrrad | just ask sparky, she liked it |
| 22:44.13 | rrowland | lol |
| 22:44.47 | heysparky | lol |
| 22:45.05 | Skizot | who wants to see the CRASH YO SHIT flamethrower? |
| 22:45.13 | rrowland | Let's see it |
| 22:45.16 | xttocs | screams me me me me me |
| 22:45.24 | Azu | Skizot gogo |
| 22:46.50 | Skizot | loading |
| 22:46.51 | Skizot | http://www.livestream.com/skizot |
| 22:46.55 | Skizot | should be up |
| 22:46.57 | Triceron | crash it good |
| 22:47.42 | ubdead | im on skizot's livestream |
| 22:47.53 | Lyrrad | me too |
| 22:48.01 | Lyrrad | and he keeps hitting the mic |
| 22:48.03 | rrowland | It's like you're movie stars |
| 22:48.10 | Azu | Skizot mute your stream :P |
| 22:48.13 | ubdead | lol wtf |
| 22:48.30 | ubdead | OMG IS THAT A CHICK |
| 22:48.33 | rrowland | lol Close/muta your screen |
| 22:48.42 | rrowland | mute* |
| 22:48.51 | Azu | fail |
| 22:48.52 | Azu | >< |
| 22:49.04 | Azu | ya |
| 22:49.07 | rrowland | no echo |
| 22:49.07 | ubdead | sounds good |
| 22:49.14 | Lyrrad | screw you, put the chick back on |
| 22:49.23 | ubdead | lolwat |
| 22:49.46 | ubdead | oh shit let me get my telescopic eyes |
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| 22:50.19 | Galois-evariste | For what its worth, I think that the new design style of sc2mapster.com should maintain its blue/white color scheme |
| 22:50.25 | Azu | haha |
| 22:50.28 | Galois-evariste | rather than going to the complete opposite of black/red-orange |
| 22:50.28 | Azu | cool :o |
| 22:50.38 | ubdead | doesnt crash silly |
| 22:50.46 | Azu | haha |
| 22:50.51 | ubdead | oh i know your problem ski |
| 22:50.57 | xttocs | lol |
| 22:51.08 | Azu | >< |
| 22:51.15 | ubdead | you need to unflag "Missiles" from the search filter |
| 22:51.25 | ubdead | it's causing never ending loop |
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| 22:51.54 | pirate | where can i get the game model SC2Mapster logo? |
| 22:52.04 | Azu | sc2 sucks at crashing ;< |
| 22:52.12 | Galois-evariste | personally i think its very good at that |
| 22:52.15 | ubdead | ctrl+alt+esc lol |
| 22:52.37 | Azu | you should keep that name |
| 22:52.46 | Azu | after youve fixed it |
| 22:52.46 | Azu | :p |
| 22:53.08 | ubdead | ok well looks like it's gonne be a fun map :) |
| 22:53.16 | Azu | yeah |
| 22:53.22 | Azu | wants video of 2player |
| 22:53.57 | Skizot | i actually HAVE a 2player vid. |
| 22:54.02 | Skizot | but we were fucking around. |
| 22:54.03 | Skizot | lol |
| 22:54.04 | Azu | :o |
| 22:54.08 | Azu | upload :O |
| 22:54.18 | Skizot | EVEN BETTER |
| 22:54.23 | Skizot | i'll playit over the stream |
| 22:54.26 | Azu | !! |
| 22:54.31 | rrowland | Anybody on the NA servers want to play sniper wars? |
| 22:55.29 | Azu | yeah |
| 22:55.41 | heysparky | okay... need to focus on mapping and letting chat distract |
| 22:55.43 | heysparky | catch you cats later |
| 22:55.44 | Azu | yez |
| 22:56.23 | Azu | :p |
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| 22:56.48 | Azu | nice teamplay :p |
| 22:57.50 | Azu | much delay when playing multiplayer? |
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| 22:58.03 | rrowland | Azu you NA? |
| 22:58.07 | Lyrrad | don't play with rrow, he cheats |
| 22:58.08 | Azu | no ;_; |
| 22:58.29 | rrowland | Well you and UB are on EU |
| 22:58.35 | rrowland | Get 2 more and play ffa with 4 :P |
| 22:58.38 | Atlos | hey, think somebody could help me out? |
| 22:58.39 | Triceron | that was madness |
| 22:58.56 | Lyrrad | Whats the problem Atlos |
| 22:59.10 | Atlos | well I made a topic about it a while ago but I can't find it so I figured I'd ask here |
| 22:59.13 | Atlos | I'm making a reload system |
| 22:59.27 | Atlos | and I'm trying to get the player's unit to stop attacking enemy units while reloading |
| 22:59.30 | Atlos | but can't find a good way |
| 22:59.43 | Azu | looks like fun Skizot :p |
| 23:01.34 | Skizot | atlos |
| 23:01.45 | Skizot | you CAN remove the attack ability from the unit that is reloading |
| 23:02.00 | Atlos | wouldn't he still attack while being idle near units? |
| 23:02.08 | Atlos | I thought that only removed the A + click somewhere ability |
| 23:02.11 | Skizot | no |
| 23:02.17 | Skizot | he has no attack ability |
| 23:02.45 | HelixDnB | k, I'm out guys, adios |
| 23:02.55 | Atlos | let me go dig that up then and report back, I'm not used to doing things so directly compared to making maps from SC1 with all the workarounds :P |
| 23:03.08 | Skizot | just remember to give attack back to him |
| 23:04.41 | Atlos | sweet, works perfectly. I think I tried it before but made the mistake of using Triggering Unit instead of my specific unit |
| 23:04.51 | Atlos | also, another problem I'm having is having my leaderboards update :S |
| 23:05.26 | Skizot | what part? |
| 23:05.26 | Atlos | when I shoot, it subtracts a bullet from a leaderboard and when I reload it doesn't update, only when I go to shoot again |
| 23:05.43 | Skizot | did you remember to update the leaderboard? |
| 23:05.49 | Skizot | at the end of the reload? |
| 23:05.57 | Atlos | so I'll start with 10 on the leaderboard, shoot twice to go to 8, reload, still shows 8, then shoot again and it goes to 9 instead of 10 |
| 23:06.05 | Atlos | is there a specific command to update? |
| 23:06.26 | Atlos | these leaderboards confuse the hell out of me lol |
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| 23:07.08 | Atlos | after I set the ammo to 10 I use "Set Last created leaderboard item text at column 1 and row1 to (text(ammo)) |
| 23:07.10 | Skizot | how do you get it to update when you shoot? |
| 23:07.27 | Skizot | set that to 10 |
| 23:07.27 | Atlos | oooooh let me try something real quick |
| 23:07.33 | Skizot | instead of text ammo |
| 23:07.44 | Atlos | well I did it that way incase the player only has 7 bullets left |
| 23:07.48 | Atlos | it would only do to 7 instead of 10 |
| 23:08.05 | Skizot | well you are reloading |
| 23:08.13 | Skizot | you can set it to the max ammo |
| 23:08.30 | Atlos | I fixed it |
| 23:08.44 | Atlos | I used last created scoreboard instead of my leaderboard variable |
| 23:08.48 | Atlos | so I changed that and it updates now |
| 23:09.10 | Atlos | thanks, I guess I just needed to say it aloud to myself lol |
| 23:09.19 | Skizot | lol |
| 23:10.56 | ubdead | lolwat |
| 23:11.05 | ubdead | i made an attack, and it launches itself |
| 23:11.09 | ubdead | to the enemy |
| 23:11.11 | ubdead | and explodes |
| 23:11.15 | ubdead | looks funny as hell |
| 23:11.19 | Atlos | lol |
| 23:11.22 | ubdead | but pure accidental |
| 23:11.38 | Ignorance | Make a recursive attack that produces a fractal. :O |
| 23:12.23 | Atlos | hmm, so if I wanted to make a health pack that somebody could pick up, in SC1 I would center a location on a unit and when a healthpack was brought to the location I'd remove and set the player's health back. I'm assuming there's a better way to do it for SC2? |
| 23:12.23 | Ignorance | Infinite recursion! Infinite perimeter!!! |
| 23:12.41 | Atlos | uggh, don't remind me about recursion lol |
| 23:12.44 | Ignorance | Make an item, store it in the unit? |
| 23:12.50 | Ignorance | Recursion is everything! |
| 23:13.38 | Atlos | I had an A+ in my java class this past semester and then got a 61 on my HAND WRITTEN final which dropped me to a B+, so now I cringe whenever I hear recursion lol |
| 23:13.54 | Atlos | apparently I fail at handwriting code... |
| 23:14.08 | Atlos | Also, I can store items in units? |
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| 23:14.42 | Atlos | I was planning on making an inventory but it's beyond my understanding right now. |
| 23:16.03 | ALpha_vst | altos they have tutorials for it :P |
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| 23:18.16 | Atlos | ok I'll dig through some then :P |
| 23:19.26 | ALpha_vst | go for bifuu he has the heros and everything |
| 23:20.14 | Bifuu | wut |
| 23:20.45 | ALpha_vst | your hero tutorial is all :P didnt want you :P |
| 23:21.06 | ubdead | no we didnt mean to highlight you bifuu |
| 23:21.26 | Atlos | bifuu and one.two have some nice vid tutorials that I've been watching |
| 23:21.27 | ALpha_vst | im actually trying to be productive gah :P doing photo shopy weeee |
| 23:21.40 | ALpha_vst | they do indeed atlos :P |
| 23:21.43 | Atlos | were you all WC3 mappers? |
| 23:21.47 | Atlos | beforehand |
| 23:21.47 | ubdead | not me |
| 23:21.56 | ALpha_vst | not me sc1 :D |
| 23:22.09 | ubdead | but i pick up on this kind of stuff pretty fast i guess |
| 23:22.25 | Atlos | yea I'm still stuck in the old ways |
| 23:22.25 | ALpha_vst | lol |
| 23:22.41 | Atlos | so when I find a good way to do something in SC2 I'm like NO WAY I don't have to make 50 triggers for this |
| 23:22.43 | Atlos | and waste my time |
| 23:22.46 | ALpha_vst | i dont remember the ways of sc1 just the general format |
| 23:23.02 | ALpha_vst | oh god i do remember that nightmare |
| 23:23.24 | ALpha_vst | copy paste change copy paste change GAH |
| 23:23.42 | Atlos | yea lol |
| 23:23.56 | Atlos | luckily SCM Draft came out with text triggers and it became much faster |
| 23:24.14 | ALpha_vst | never heard of it |
| 23:24.37 | ALpha_vst | but i have not touched the sc editor in years... |
| 23:25.08 | ALpha_vst | and by years i mean probably the last time was 2000 |
| 23:25.46 | Atlos | oh wow lol, it's evolved quite a bit since then. |
| 23:26.10 | ALpha_vst | yeah back when i was still a teen 0.o |
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| 23:26.39 | probalon_ | ok so my mothership vortex is killing units lol |
| 23:26.47 | ALpha_vst | sexy |
| 23:27.02 | probalon_ | i wish |
| 23:27.03 | rrowland | Alpha, you NA or EU server? |
| 23:27.08 | ALpha_vst | now reverse the pull and send them flying across the map |
| 23:27.12 | ALpha_vst | NA |
| 23:27.15 | Linera | anyone know how I could make a unique id for my buttons? (not using variables) |
| 23:27.24 | probalon_ | I would except the killing thing is unintentional |
| 23:27.47 | ALpha_vst | califorina 0.o |
| 23:28.02 | Bifuu | im a bit late answering but |
| 23:28.09 | Bifuu | Atlos: nope, never touched wc3 |
| 23:28.20 | Bifuu | well i lied i opened it once |
| 23:28.22 | Bifuu | then closed it |
| 23:28.24 | Atlos | lol |
| 23:28.27 | Linera | I guess no one knows then (as always) |
| 23:28.37 | Atlos | just seems like you already know your way around the editor quite a bit from watching your tutorials |
| 23:29.06 | rrowland | Scrounging people up to play my map with me on NA server |
| 23:29.19 | Linera | rrowland: no thanks |
| 23:29.20 | Bifuu | i learn programs fast |
| 23:29.57 | Linera | I'm way too busy to test any maps |
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| 23:30.29 | ALpha_vst | linera why cant you use variables? |
| 23:30.52 | Linera | no set number of them can be created, could be 100s |
| 23:31.21 | rrowland | Do they need to be tracked? |
| 23:31.48 | rrowland | If so, what's the absolute maximum number that can exist? |
| 23:31.57 | rrowland | Make an array of that size and use that |
| 23:32.04 | rrowland | Dialog items are really just integers |
| 23:32.09 | rrowland | So int[300] isn't a big deal |
| 23:32.12 | ALpha_vst | yeah i was just going to say that |
| 23:32.18 | Linera | basically, I create the button and assign it to a newly created trigger with a dialog item used event |
| 23:32.23 | ALpha_vst | not like that but :D |
| 23:32.40 | Linera | rrowland: it could be bigger then 300 |
| 23:32.46 | Linera | no way to tell really |
| 23:33.28 | ALpha_vst | there has to be a way to know 0.o |
| 23:33.43 | ALpha_vst | or your just overthinking it and doing it wrong :D |
| 23:33.44 | Linera | also when creating some of these buttons i might also create a new trigger with a timer for it so when the timer expires it does something with said button |
| 23:34.01 | rrowland | If for some reason your map has the ability to create over 1000 custom buttons and you have no idea how many there will be |
| 23:34.07 | rrowland | I'd say that's some kind of design flaw |
| 23:34.09 | Linera | ALpha_vst: no there isn't anyway to know as it happens runtime |
| 23:34.24 | depthsofchaos | did you manage to create trigers dynamically?:o |
| 23:34.33 | Linera | each player sees a different group of these buttons |
| 23:34.46 | Linera | depthsofchaos: yes, finally |
| 23:35.14 | depthsofchaos | could you share the correct syntax? |
| 23:35.58 | Linera | I made a new Action native definition which takes the parameter of 'string' |
| 23:36.14 | rrowland | Why don't you elaborate on WHY you are going to have an unknown amount of buttons |
| 23:36.17 | rrowland | What exactly are you doing |
| 23:36.20 | rrowland | What are the buttons |
| 23:36.23 | rrowland | Why are the buttons |
| 23:36.25 | rrowland | How are the buttons |
| 23:36.27 | Linera | so i call the action Variable - Set t = (TriggerCreate("lib1_gf_test")) |
| 23:36.29 | rrowland | When and where are the buttons |
| 23:36.32 | ALpha_vst | yeah we really cant help unless you explain :P |
| 23:36.52 | Linera | its a custom buff/debuff system |
| 23:37.19 | depthsofchaos | thanks |
| 23:37.28 | Linera | basically used for displaying icons on the screen which if clicked they can be dismissed |
| 23:37.46 | ALpha_vst | way overthinking it then |
| 23:37.59 | Linera | I'm not using the standard UI |
| 23:38.35 | Linera | so I'm making my own buff/debuff system |
| 23:38.54 | rrowland | Why do you need an unknown amount of buttons for a buff/debuff system? |
| 23:39.05 | ALpha_vst | how can you have a unknown amount of buttons... |
| 23:39.08 | ALpha_vst | what he said |
| 23:39.32 | liq3 | ALpha_vst: you can't count? :D |
| 23:39.37 | Linera | as they are created during runtime and unable to know pre-runtime |
| 23:39.45 | ALpha_vst | you can only have as many buttons as you have buffs debuffs |
| 23:39.55 | rrowland | Okay |
| 23:40.02 | rrowland | Are you trying to answer without actually answering? |
| 23:40.15 | rrowland | I understand "they are created dring runtime", WHY? |
| 23:40.21 | liq3 | I'm wondering why you need a custom buff/debuff system. |
| 23:40.21 | rrowland | during* |
| 23:40.41 | Linera | i want a way to create a unique id for each button that includes the player number in it |
| 23:40.52 | ALpha_vst | um |
| 23:40.58 | ALpha_vst | you can do it by player group |
| 23:41.04 | ALpha_vst | each player can be its own group |
| 23:41.10 | ALpha_vst | problem solved |
| 23:41.19 | Linera | like create button then set id for button to x |
| 23:41.26 | rrowland | That's easy linera |
| 23:41.29 | rrowland | It's called a 2d array |
| 23:41.41 | Linera | no idea how i could make a unique id for a button |
| 23:41.55 | Linera | that would apply to only said button |
| 23:41.58 | Atlos | why is placing water so dumb |
| 23:42.01 | Atlos | maybe I'm doing it wron |
| 23:42.03 | Atlos | wrong* |
| 23:42.08 | rrowland | The create dialog item function assigns the button's id to the next available number |
| 23:42.15 | rrowland | There's no way to customize it |
| 23:42.25 | rrowland | It's like a SQL iterator |
| 23:42.58 | ALpha_vst | you can get the player who pressed a button... you dont need them to be per player... |
| 23:43.04 | Linera | no way to retrieve that id i bet? |
| 23:43.32 | rrowland | The id is the dialog item variable |
| 23:43.34 | Linera | ALpha_vst: each player sees their own set of buff/debuffs |
| 23:43.43 | Linera | aka own dialog |
| 23:43.54 | rrowland | When you say dialogItemX = last created dialog item |
| 23:43.57 | rrowland | You're really saying |
| 23:44.05 | rrowland | int dialogItemX = id of last created dialog item |
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| 23:44.52 | ALpha_vst | yeah linera you can show the same button and have it return who clicked it for each player |
| 23:44.53 | Linera | but no way to get the id of dialog item, right? |
| 23:44.59 | heysparky | howdy folks |
| 23:45.00 | rrowland | Are you kidding? |
| 23:45.52 | rrowland | <rrowland> When you say dialogItemX = last created dialog item |
| 23:45.52 | rrowland | <rrowland> You're really saying |
| 23:45.52 | rrowland | <rrowland> int dialogItemX = id of last created dialog item |
| 23:45.52 | heysparky | if I want to fill an array with points do I have to 'for each int' to fill it, or can I preset it in the gui? |
| 23:45.52 | rrowland | There's no other way to call a dialog item |
| 23:45.54 | rrowland | Other than by referencing its ID |
| 23:45.59 | rrowland | So yes, you can get the id of a dialog item |
| 23:46.03 | Linera | ALpha_vst: but each buff/debuff needs a unique id so the game know which buff and buff's image to remove on click/or timer expire |
| 23:46.28 | Linera | rrowland: i meant the number version of id |
| 23:46.32 | ALpha_vst | you can set timers and everything based on the player linera |
| 23:46.44 | Linera | dialog item's id can't be seen |
| 23:46.52 | rrowland | Yes they can |
| 23:46.55 | rrowland | They're stored as int |
| 23:47.05 | heysparky | I'll check back on array question |
| 23:47.08 | rrowland | Make a dialog item variable and an int variable |
| 23:47.16 | Skizot | why an int variable? |
| 23:47.27 | rrowland | Then assign a dialog item to your dialog item variable |
| 23:47.29 | Linera | each timer applies to a certain buff (but there may not always be a timer assigned to the buff) |
| 23:47.40 | rrowland | then run a custom script, IntVariable = DialogVariable |
| 23:47.53 | Linera | can't use variables |
| 23:48.03 | ALpha_vst | omg |
| 23:48.06 | rrowland | You're stupid |
| 23:48.07 | rrowland | Sorry |
| 23:48.30 | ALpha_vst | your over complexing what doesnt need to be really |
| 23:49.12 | rrowland | You're not listening to what people are telling you |
| 23:49.23 | rrowland | You're stuck on "No you're wrong" mode or something |
| 23:49.39 | Linera | no way to know how many buffs/debuffs there will be at any given time so can't use variables. I want to create a unique id for each buff that will only apply to said buff |
| 23:49.40 | rrowland | If you know then you don't need to be asking for help |
| 23:49.59 | rrowland | I just told you, you can't make unique IDs because they're assigned via an iterator |
| 23:50.10 | Linera | not what i mean |
| 23:50.38 | Linera | i mean as in create my own int id to use to store the button,image, timer |
| 23:50.50 | ALpha_vst | then making a 2d array and have the 2nd number be your player number |
| 23:51.29 | ALpha_vst | linera store that as a a players interger |
| 23:51.38 | Linera | store what? |
| 23:51.44 | ALpha_vst | and keep an array |
| 23:51.50 | rrowland | This is your array |
| 23:52.00 | Linera | can't use a variable dude |
| 23:52.00 | rrowland | Buttons[16][255] |
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| 23:52.12 | rrowland | 16 players, max of 255 buttons each |
| 23:52.18 | rrowland | I think that's more than enough |
| 23:52.20 | Linera | can't use a variable dude |
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| 23:52.25 | rrowland | WHY |
| 23:52.33 | `228zip | You mean you can have players desync on buttons ? |
| 23:52.38 | Linera | no way to know how many buffs/debuffs there will be at any given time so can't use variables. |
| 23:52.54 | rrowland | Yes... Yes you can |
| 23:53.00 | depthsofchaos | creating a new trigger for every single buff will kill multiplayer |
| 23:53.07 | `228zip | LOL |
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| 23:53.26 | Linera | the triggers only run once |
| 23:53.26 | `228zip | I created triggers for every single attack in WC3 |
| 23:53.32 | rrowland | If it runs only once |
| 23:53.34 | `228zip | And that didn't lag |
| 23:53.36 | rrowland | Then you don't need a trigger for it |
| 23:54.07 | depthsofchaos | well did wc3 have 125 ping delay ?:o |
| 23:54.16 | `228zip | It probably had more |
| 23:54.18 | Linera | the trigger detects the click of the button for said buff and will remove the button and image tied to said button |
| 23:54.49 | `228zip | Linera, do you have unlimited space on the UI ? |
| 23:55.14 | AlphA_vst_ | grrr |
| 23:55.15 | `228zip | Why would you display an unlimited amount of buffs ? |
| 23:55.34 | `228zip | 16 will probably be more than enough |
| 23:55.37 | rrowland | wc3 has a 250ms delay |
| 23:55.53 | depthsofchaos | whoa thats crazy :o |
| 23:55.55 | Linera | think 14 players with each having its own set of buffs |
| 23:56.09 | `228zip | Still 16 buttons. |
| 23:56.21 | `228zip | And you can have up to 16 players in a game. |
| 23:56.40 | Linera | so one moment it could be 300 buffs/debuffs then another its 600 buffs/debuffs |
| 23:56.54 | Linera | 14 players + 2 computer players |
| 23:57.09 | depthsofchaos | 600 buff wtf??? |
| 23:57.15 | `228zip | Are we talking about the UI or the triggers here ? |
| 23:57.15 | rrowland | So if a player has 100 buffs on him |
| 23:57.17 | Linera | i said buffs/debuffs |
| 23:57.22 | AlphA_vst_ | you only need as many buttons as you have buffs |
| 23:57.22 | rrowland | Are you going to display 100 buffs at the same time? |
| 23:57.35 | Linera | say 50 buffs and 50 debuffs |
| 23:57.39 | rrowland | Okay |
| 23:57.44 | `228zip | Yea, same question as rrowland |
| 23:57.44 | AlphA_vst_ | you need 100 buttons |
| 23:57.44 | rrowland | Say a player has 50 of each |
| 23:57.49 | rrowland | You're going to display |
| 23:57.55 | rrowland | 100 buff/debuff icons |
| 23:58.00 | rrowland | On the player's screen, at the same time? |
| 23:58.07 | AlphA_vst_ | thats pretty dumb if you do |
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| 23:58.38 | `228zip | As an example |
| 23:59.01 | `228zip | Blizzard's MMO only allows for 40 buffs and 40 debuffs to be on a single target at any given time |
| 23:59.11 | rrowland | Not only that |
| 23:59.17 | rrowland | But it doesn't even show all 40 does it? |
| 23:59.19 | rrowland | Like 20 of each |
| 23:59.27 | `228zip | I think, like 16 of each |
| 23:59.29 | AlphA_vst_ | unless you have custom addons |
| 23:59.30 | Durrean | Aion even only allows 8 on a mob |
| 23:59.39 | AlphA_vst_ | but yeah |
| 23:59.42 | LuxusElg | WoW used to be capped lower, too |
| 23:59.49 | LuxusElg | around 8-12 |
| 23:59.52 | `228zip | WoW originally allowed 16 buffs and 16 debuffs iirc |
| 23:59.53 | Linera | anyways why the hell are you even questioning me on this? Its my map, I'll display as many as I want to |
| 23:59.59 | rrowland | No you won't |
