IRC log for #sc2mapster on 20100518

`00:00.43`	`hyarion`	`that looks just strange to me, probably correct though :P`
`00:01.01`	`hyarion`	`where can i read more about that scheiß?`
`00:01.02`	`Galois-evariste`	`they said galois' papers were strange too and look what he did`
`00:01.07`	`Galois-evariste`	`galois' work*`
`00:01.28`	`Arthas-`	`Galois-evariste id suggest you test it`
`00:01.37`	`Arthas-`	`have it print the result out on the screen`
`00:01.41`	`Arthas-`	`compare it to the expected value`
`00:01.46`	`Arthas-`	`if in doubt`
`00:02.56`	`hyarion`	`trial and error ftw`
`00:03.31`	`Alpha_vst`	`yeah`
`00:03.41`	`Arthas-`	`hyarion how many snes console do you have atm?`
`00:03.50`	`hyarion`	`just 3`
`00:03.51`	`Repo`	`New map: http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/death-overmind/. Death of the Overmind [Cut Scene Contest]. Docablo (Manager/Author). Approved by xhatix.`
`00:03.52`	`Arthas-`	`and nes for that matter`
`00:04.04`	`hyarion`	`Arthas-: that works or totaly?`
`00:04.10`	`Arthas-`	`totally`
`00:04.18`	`Galois-evariste`	`alright`
`00:04.19`	`Arthas-`	`also, do you know how the broken ones are broken`
`00:04.31`	`Arthas-`	`i could use a semi-fresh connector as spare part`
`00:04.31`	`hyarion`	`7 with all parts and 6 more without cpu and ppu i think`
`00:04.39`	`Arthas-`	`aight`
`00:04.48`	`hyarion`	`need parts? :P`
`00:04.51`	`Arthas-`	`ordered some cables for my sega`
`00:04.53`	`Arthas-`	`aswell`
`00:04.58`	`Arthas-`	`but he didnt reply to me yet`
`00:05.01`	`hyarion`	`what cables?`
`00:05.05`	`Arthas-`	`power and antenna`
`00:05.12`	`hyarion`	`mkaay`
`00:05.13`	`Arthas-`	`i want original`
`00:05.16`	`hyarion`	`yeah`
`00:05.31`	`hyarion`	`btw, when should we fix your old noname-console?`
`00:05.42`	`Arthas-`	`the chinese pirate one?`
`00:05.59`	`hyarion`	`the one where the batteries had leaked`
`00:06.05`	`Arthas-`	`thats the one`
`00:06.08`	`Arthas-`	`dunno`
`00:06.11`	`Beider`	`wow that is amazing, the file that you linked Arthas-`
`00:06.14`	`Arthas-`	`i dont expect the games to be any good`
`00:06.18`	`hyarion`	`don't think it's a chinese pirate at all btw :)`
`00:06.18`	`Arthas-`	`Beider ?`
`00:06.22`	`Beider`	`All the zelda 3 music in less than 100 kb`
`00:06.34`	`Arthas-`	`Beider its instructions for how its supposed to sound`
`00:06.39`	`Galois-evariste`	`okay guys`
`00:06.42`	`Galois-evariste`	`here's a challenge`
`00:06.42`	`Arthas-`	`and it sounds exactly as when you play it on the snes :)`
`00:06.46`	`Galois-evariste`	`<PROTECTED>`
`00:06.49`	`Arthas-`	`i agree, its wonderful!`
`00:06.52`	`Galois-evariste`	`i want to do X/2 + 0.5`
`00:06.57`	`Galois-evariste`	`however arithmetic only works for integers`
`00:07.01`	`Galois-evariste`	`and ideas?`
`00:07.01`	`Beider`	`no matter, less than 100 kb for all the music in that game...`
`00:07.02`	`hyarion`	`Beider: there is a reason why it's so small, everything had to be put in the sound hardware's RAM`
`00:07.06`	`Beider`	`I would never have imagined`
`00:07.09`	`hyarion`	`which wasn't much bigger than that :P`
`00:07.11`	`Arthas-`	`(+ ( ( ( Number of Living units in The Attacking Units) / 2), 1) ) times`
`00:07.17`	`Beider`	`aye that is obvious hyarion, but I would have thought the music would be more`
`00:07.21`	`Arthas-`	`i could bring it to the space`
`00:07.23`	`Arthas-`	`then we hax it!`
`00:07.29`	`Arthas-`	`if you wanna space sometime this week`
`00:07.31`	`Galois-evariste`	`i want to add 0.5 not 1`
`00:07.32`	`Beider`	`I thought the SNES casets would have at least 2-4 mb`
`00:07.32`	`hyarion`	`Arthas-: sounds like a plan :)`
`00:07.33`	`Galois-evariste`	`(+ ( ( ( Number of Living units in The Attacking Units) / 2), 1) ) times`
`00:07.44`	`Galois-evariste`	`(+ ( ( ( Number of Living units in The Attacking Units) / 2), 0.5) ) times is what I want`
`00:07.46`	`Arthas-`	`ya i just separated the ()`
`00:07.57`	`Arthas-`	`Galois-evariste i would supposed so`
`00:07.57`	`Galois-evariste`	`i got it`
`00:07.58`	`hyarion`	`Beider: you had to upload the sound part to another part of the system that couldn't read from the cartridge`
`00:08.06`	`Galois-evariste`	`i'll just add 2 and divide the whole thing by 2`
`00:08.13`	`Galois-evariste`	`i mean`
`00:08.21`	`Galois-evariste`	`add 1 and divide all by 2`
`00:08.33`	`hyarion`	`couldn't read directly from`
`00:08.49`	`Beider`	`ah I see hyarion, didn't know that`
`00:08.54`	`hyarion`	`:)`
`00:08.58`	`Beider`	`Still it proves how impressive the game was`
`00:09.03`	`Galois-evariste`	`<PROTECTED>`
`00:09.07`	`Galois-evariste`	`i like this - you like this?>`
`00:09.08`	`Arthas-`	`all old consoles where impressive imo`
`00:09.10`	`Beider`	`most of the songs ar eno longer than 1 minute, with a few exceptions`
`00:09.14`	`Arthas-`	`not like todays crap :p`
`00:09.20`	`Beider`	`and I never really got annoyed by the music repeating itself`
`00:09.23`	`Arthas-`	`Beider less is more!`
`00:09.27`	`Arthas-`	`:)`
`00:09.31`	`Beider`	`because the music is just so damn ogod`
`00:09.32`	`Beider`	`good`
`00:09.40`	`Arthas-`	`spc are snes only right?`
`00:09.43`	`Galois-evariste`	`i think tht AVGN would disagree with you guys`
`00:09.45`	`hyarion`	`it's actually possible to get near CD quallity on the SNES, you can't do much more than playing audio though since the rutin takes up almost all cpu time :P`
`00:09.58`	`hyarion`	`Arthas-: yes it is`
`00:10.06`	`Arthas-`	`anything similar for sega, nes etc`
`00:10.11`	`rrowland`	`Turning this set of functions for my leaderboard into a legitimate library actually made it take more trigger space, lol`
`00:10.14`	`hyarion`	`sony made that the SPC chip for the snes only`
`00:10.32`	`hyarion`	`Arthas-: nes has the nsf format`
`00:10.33`	`Arthas-`	`rrowland that kinda sucks :\`
`00:10.39`	`hyarion`	`sega gym?`
`00:11.22`	`hyarion`	`not really sure about sega, havn't listen so much on music for those consols`
`00:11.23`	`Arthas-`	`i dont like wikipedias new design`
`00:11.34`	`Arthas-`	`hyarion ty`
`00:11.51`	`hyarion`	`Arthas-: and why is it only for the english page?`
`00:12.06`	`hyarion`	`it's the same old layout for sv.wikipedia.org ^^`
`00:12.06`	`Arthas-`	`sega had vgm according to ocremix`
`00:12.22`	`Arthas-`	`nooo`
`00:12.26`	`Arthas-`	`nothing like it for n64`
`00:12.49`	`Arthas-`	`too bad sv is useless :p`
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`00:13.29`	`Alpha_vst`	`i need a break from my map :P`
`00:13.34`	`hyarion`	`Arthas-: yeah that's it vgm :)`
`00:13.36`	`Galois-evariste`	`crazy`
`00:13.37`	`Galois-evariste`	`okay guys`
`00:13.39`	`Galois-evariste`	`im having a problem`
`00:13.42`	`hyarion`	`VideoGameMusic? :P`
`00:13.44`	`Arthas-`	`n64 = vgm?`
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`00:13.44`	`Galois-evariste`	`this is tough`
`00:13.44`	`Alpha_vst`	`?`
`00:13.52`	`hyarion`	`Arthas-: don't forget about .sid :)`
`00:13.53`	`Beider`	`well I am still completely baffled, zelda 3 is by far one of the most awesome games ever made. And the music is just iconic. To imagine all the music for the game being compressed to just 75 kb... that is just amazing. The composer writing the music must have been really limited.`
`00:13.58`	`Galois-evariste`	`ugh`
`00:13.59`	`Arthas-`	`i love sid :p`
`00:14.05`	`Arthas-`	`well beider`
`00:14.07`	`Arthas-`	`just like mid`
`00:14.10`	`Arthas-`	`I take its just notes`
`00:14.12`	`Triceron`	`Link to the Past was awesome`
`00:14.13`	`Arthas-`	`like a note paper`
`00:14.13`	`Galois-evariste`	`i'll wait for your nerd chat to finish before i bring up something actually relevant to this chatroom`
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`00:14.26`	`Triceron`	`Midi's are tiny tho`
`00:14.27`	`Arthas-`	`then the tones to use are the ones that the console itself has on the chip`
`00:14.39`	`hyarion`	`Beider: think he only made the music composing, not the programming ;)`
`00:14.41`	`Triceron`	`it was just synthesized midis for that era of games, no?`
`00:14.42`	`Arthas-`	`depending on whos playing, it sounds diferent`
`00:14.42`	`Beider`	`aye, that is obvious now`
`00:14.50`	`Lyrrad`	`Galois - Everything relevant to this chatroom falls into the category of Nerd Chat`
`00:14.59`	`Beider`	`hyarion: yes but I assume the notes the console can put out is limited`
`00:15.01`	`Arthas-`	`Lyrrad damn right it is`
`00:15.10`	`Galois-evariste`	`ANYWAY`
`00:15.15`	`Galois-evariste`	`here's the problem`
`00:15.15`	`Arthas-`	`Galois-evariste jusrt type it out`
`00:15.16`	`Triceron`	`Michael Jackson did the soundtrack for Sonic 3`
`00:15.22`	`Arthas-`	`if someone has an answer they will say so`
`00:15.26`	`Beider`	`hyarion: not to mention the total duration of the music score is limited, making it hard to create something that sounds good but doesn't get repetetive`
`00:15.26`	`Galois-evariste`	`let X be an odd number`
`00:15.28`	`Triceron`	`but he hated the beeps and clicks and didn't want credit for it`
`00:15.30`	`hyarion`	`Beider: well yeah, it's almost like a mix of MOD and MIDI`
`00:15.35`	`Galois-evariste`	`then X/2 is equal to an integer plus 0.5`
`00:15.38`	`Triceron`	`I wonder what that music woulda sounded like if it wasn't just beeps and clicks.`
`00:15.48`	`Galois-evariste`	`Starcraft will round up or down without letting me control it for some reason`
`00:15.53`	`Galois-evariste`	`when I say`
`00:15.54`	`hyarion`	`Beider: that is true, it's verry good tunes`
`00:15.55`	`Galois-evariste`	`X/2 + 1`
`00:15.56`	`Beider`	`and I could frankly listen to the zelda 3 score all day... well I already did back in my childhood :P`
`00:15.58`	`Galois-evariste`	`it will round up`
`00:16.04`	`Galois-evariste`	`when I say X/2 - 1 it will round down`
`00:16.05`	`Arthas-`	`are you using integers then?`
`00:16.08`	`rrowland`	`Does the built-in leaderboard support sorting by multiple columns?`
`00:16.11`	`hyarion`	`it's almost that you like it more and more when you hear it :)`
`00:16.13`	`Galois-evariste`	`I cannot use real numbers so yes of coruse they're integers dur`
`00:16.17`	`hyarion`	`Arthas-: http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/196244/wikipedia_upgrades_layout_features.html`
`00:16.23`	`hyarion`	`you can change to the old layout`
`00:16.34`	`Galois-evariste`	`anyway`
`00:16.36`	`Arthas-`	`moar liek downgrade amiright`
`00:16.39`	`Galois-evariste`	`I have an odd number`
`00:16.43`	`Arthas-`	`why cant you use real`
`00:16.51`	`Galois-evariste`	`show me the Arithmetic (Real) function`
`00:16.53`	`Arthas-`	`isnt typecasting available?`
`00:16.53`	`Galois-evariste`	`and i'll use it`
`00:16.59`	`Arthas-`	`i havent looked`
`00:17.02`	`Galois-evariste`	`well its not there`
`00:17.03`	`Arthas-`	`but it seems very dumb if we cant`
`00:17.07`	`Galois-evariste`	`so we need to work with integers here`
`00:17.11`	`Galois-evariste`	`i'm trying to figure out a clever way of doing this`
`00:17.17`	`Lyrrad`	`There is a Arithmetic (Real)`
`00:17.24`	`Arthas-`	`well if you then use x/2 + 0.5`
`00:17.24`	`Galois-evariste`	`well i'd love to see it in this list`
`00:17.32`	`Arthas-`	`0.5 will be rounded to 1 before anything happens`
`00:17.38`	`Lyrrad`	`your gonna make me open the editor aren't you`
`00:17.42`	`rrowland`	`Anybody here use the built-in leaderboard functionality?`
`00:17.43`	`Galois-evariste`	`that's why what i've done`
`00:17.47`	`Galois-evariste`	`is (x+1)/2`
`00:17.50`	`Arthas-`	`rrowland nope`
`00:17.52`	`Galois-evariste`	`and yet it still rounds too high`
`00:17.57`	`Galois-evariste`	`so`
`00:17.58`	`Arthas-`	`not thats around at least :p`
`00:18.01`	`Galois-evariste`	`I end up with 1 more than I need`
`00:18.06`	`Galois-evariste`	`actually`
`00:18.10`	`Galois-evariste`	`why not just add an extra - 1 operation`
`00:18.12`	`rrowland`	`ehh`
`00:18.15`	`Arthas-`	`did you try just using x/2`
`00:18.16`	`Galois-evariste`	`YOURE A GENIUS GALOIS`
`00:18.20`	`Arthas-`	`Galois-evariste no`
`00:18.26`	`Galois-evariste`	`x/2 is when X mod 2 is 0`
`00:18.29`	`Galois-evariste`	`i'm covering the odd case`
`00:18.31`	`Galois-evariste`	`not even`
`00:18.31`	`Arthas-`	`x/2 +1 -1 would be the same as x/1`
`00:18.33`	`Arthas-`	`x/2`
`00:18.35`	`Galois-evariste`	`no`
`00:18.40`	`Arthas-`	`ofc it is`
`00:18.49`	`Galois-evariste`	`[(x+1)/2]-1 is not x/2+1-2`
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`00:18.52`	`Galois-evariste`	`x/2+1-1 i mean`
`00:19.01`	`Galois-evariste`	`the second one is whatever you tried to say`
`00:19.01`	`rrowland`	`I built my own and made a library for it, before I post it anywhere I want to make sure it's not redundant lol`
`00:19.02`	`Arthas-`	`x/2 +1 -1 becomes x/(2+1-1)`
`00:19.04`	`Arthas-`	`ie`
`00:19.05`	`Arthas-`	`x/2`
`00:19.11`	`Galois-evariste`	`wtfuck are you talking about`
`00:19.20`	`hyarion`	`Arthas-: what?`
`00:19.23`	`Galois-evariste`	`nevermind i'm pretty sure i got this`
`00:19.29`	`Arthas-`	`hyarion what :p`
`00:19.34`	`hyarion`	`<PROTECTED>`
`00:19.40`	`hyarion`	`atleast in normal math`
`00:19.42`	`Arthas-`	`true!`
`00:19.47`	`Arthas-`	`but`
`00:19.49`	`Arthas-`	`that doesnt matter`
`00:19.50`	`hyarion`	`perhapse not GE stupid math :P`
`00:19.57`	`Arthas-`	`x/2 +1 -1 till still be the same as x/2`
`00:20.02`	`hyarion`	`yeah`
`00:20.16`	`Lyrrad`	`I had no trouble finding Arithmetic (Real)`
`00:20.21`	`AsaPhelps`	`Anyone on US want to help me test my map?`
`00:20.30`	`Arthas-`	`Lyrrad thought so`
`00:20.41`	`hyarion`	`x/2+1-1 = (x/2)+(1-1) = (x/2)+0 = x/2`
`00:20.47`	`hyarion`	`:)`
`00:21.14`	`Lyrrad`	`ah, but it does not show up in cases where it is calling for an int`
`00:21.31`	`Lyrrad`	`so a Set Variable where the variable is an int, it will not display`
`00:21.49`	`Arthas-`	`Lyrrad suspected that aswell, left it out though! :D`
`00:21.54`	`Galois-evariste`	`<PROTECTED>`
`00:22.10`	`Arthas-`	`that line is so ugly :(`
`00:22.11`	`Lyrrad`	`oh? should I pretend I didn't type those lines and hope he doesn't see them?`
`00:22.20`	`Arthas-`	`Lyrrad yup :)`
`00:22.36`	`Arthas-`	`Galois-evariste read up on lyrrads lines :p`
`00:22.40`	`Arthas-`	`there are real`
`00:22.40`	`Lyrrad`	`ok, I'll need help spamming the channel`
`00:22.43`	`rrowland`	`God, I download a map and I can't run it because of the "Unable to load map" error. I know this is caused by the 16 player bug in multiplayer, what do I need to fix for test document/`
`00:22.46`	`rrowland`	`?*`
`00:23.08`	`Lyrrad`	`make player 14 empty or computer is what I have heard`
`00:23.15`	`rrowland`	`Yeah, works for multiplayer`
`00:23.17`	`Galois-evariste`	`if what i just did isn't right ill try doing what you siad`
`00:23.20`	`rrowland`	`But player 14 is empty`
`00:23.29`	`rrowland`	`And I'm running from GE`
`00:23.31`	`Arthas-`	`control none?`
`00:23.31`	`Lyrrad`	`and it doesn't work?`
`00:23.38`	`rrowland`	`Nope, unable to load map`
`00:23.47`	`Lyrrad`	`I guess the Galazy Editor hates you`
`00:23.47`	`Arthas-`	`* Open the map`
`00:23.47`	`Arthas-`	`* Go to Map / Player Properties`
`00:23.48`	`Arthas-`	`* Select the player 14`
`00:23.48`	`Arthas-`	`* On the right panel set Control to None`
`00:23.51`	`Arthas-`	`thats from the news post`
`00:23.55`	`rrowland`	`Yeah I know`
`00:24.02`	`rrowland`	`Player 14 is already empty`
`00:24.03`	`Arthas-`	`if that doesnt work, no idea`
`00:24.15`	`Lyrrad`	`and who can blame it, spawn of evil`
`00:24.32`	`Galois-evariste`	`FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK`
`00:24.37`	`rrowland`	`Already shitting all over the concept of backwards compatibility`
`00:24.40`	`Galois-evariste`	`its still one larger than i want it to be`
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`00:24.46`	`Galois-evariste`	`i must not have written it correctly`
`00:24.51`	`Galois-evariste`	`because it still kills one more than i want it to`
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`00:25.02`	`Arthas-`	`hyarion`
`00:25.06`	`Arthas-`	`school tomorrow?`
`00:25.44`	`Galois-evariste`	`oh`
`00:25.48`	`Galois-evariste`	`well no wonder - i didnt divide by 2`
`00:25.49`	`Galois-evariste`	`<PROTECTED>`
`00:26.05`	`hyarion`	`Arthas-: oh fuck`
`00:26.10`	`Arthas-`	`?`
`00:26.11`	`Lyrrad`	`That line is really evil`
`00:26.11`	`hyarion`	`it's kinda late :S`
`00:26.14`	`Arthas-`	`indeed`
`00:26.17`	`Arthas-`	`Lyrrad yeah`
`00:26.22`	`hyarion`	`btw: http://forums.sc2mapster.com/development/map-development/1574-map-editor-math-calculation-incorrectly/`
`00:26.25`	`hyarion`	`lol`
`00:26.29`	`Arthas-`	`it looks like something from an unparsed line`
`00:26.37`	`rrowland`	`I get the warning "Unable to load 'MapInfo' from ''" when I open the map, so I'm pretty sure that's the problem`
`00:26.37`	`hyarion`	`why in hell do they use fixpoint?`
`00:26.46`	`Arthas-`	`hahahaha`
`00:26.48`	`rrowland`	`They felt like being retarded`
`00:27.03`	`rrowland`	`They encourage FPS and physics`
`00:27.16`	`rrowland`	`But they use fixed points instead of floating points`
`00:28.02`	`Galois-evariste`	`this is fucking stupid`
`00:28.08`	`Galois-evariste`	`if i leave it alone`
`00:28.12`	`hyarion`	`there is no real speed diff between float and fixed on modern PC CPU:s`
`00:28.19`	`Galois-evariste`	`it is equal to 1 + what i want it to be`
`00:28.20`	`Galois-evariste`	`if i add 1`
`00:28.25`	`Lyrrad`	`Blizzard is probably sitting around a computer watching the b.net forums laughing their asses off at people complaining about fixed point, after they deleted the float datatype in the beta editor for fun`
`00:28.26`	`Galois-evariste`	`it is equal to 2 + what i want it to be`
`00:28.28`	`Galois-evariste`	`if i subtract one`
`00:28.35`	`Galois-evariste`	`then it is equal to what i want it to be - 1`
`00:28.45`	`Galois-evariste`	`this is fucking DUMB`
`00:29.13`	`Lyrrad`	`if it is equal to what you want, why are you subtracting 1?`
`00:29.20`	`Galois-evariste`	`read that shit again`
`00:29.24`	`Galois-evariste`	`it is NEVER EQUAL TO WHAT I WANT`
`00:29.29`	`Galois-evariste`	`leave it alone and it is X + 1`
`00:29.33`	`Galois-evariste`	`add 1 and it is X + 2`
`00:29.37`	`Galois-evariste`	`take away one and it is X - 1`
`00:29.44`	`Galois-evariste`	`it makes no sense!`
`00:30.11`	`Galois-evariste`	`i'm not working modulo 2 here`
`00:30.26`	`Lyrrad`	`What are you trying to do?`
`00:30.35`	`Galois-evariste`	`ffs ive been talking about this for 20 minutes`
`00:30.38`	`Arthas-`	`( Lyrrad ): Blizzard is probably sitting around a computer watching the b.net forums laughing their asses off at people complaining about fixed point, after they deleted the float datatype in the beta editor for fun - Sadistic mofos :D`
`00:30.52`	`Galois-evariste`	`yes because blizzard is a lonely 40 year old guy who lives with his mother`
`00:30.56`	`Galois-evariste`	`come on man`
`00:31.11`	`Lyrrad`	`A few of them probably are`
`00:31.16`	`Arthas-`	`hahaha`
`00:31.19`	`Arthas-`	`\o`
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`00:31.45`	`hyarion`	`Arthas-: btw i have a wireless router again now :D now i can sit on the toilet and irc at the same time :D`
`00:31.53`	`Arthas-`	`nice`
`00:31.55`	`Lyrrad`	`tmi`
`00:31.58`	`Arthas-`	`are you pooping?`
`00:32.05`	`Lyrrad`	`WAY tmi`
`00:32.25`	`hyarion`	`na, havn't turned it on yet ^^`
`00:32.33`	`Arthas-`	`so you are pooping in bed`
`00:32.34`	`Arthas-`	`nice`
`00:32.39`	`hyarion`	`höhö`
`00:32.43`	`Galois-evariste`	`<PROTECTED>`
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`00:32.46`	`Galois-evariste`	`<PROTECTED>`
`00:32.47`	`Galois-evariste`	`wtf is the problem`
`00:32.49`	`Galois-evariste`	`i dont know`
`00:32.58`	`hyarion`	`i'll promise i'll tell you on /msg when i'm poping ;)`
`00:33.01`	`Lyrrad`	`is BLAH BLAH BLAH a valid action?`
`00:33.10`	`Galois-evariste`	`if you're gonna be a smartass you can just fuck off`
`00:33.17`	`Arthas-`	`Galois-evariste seriously :p`
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`00:33.26`	`Arthas-`	`you are always in such a bad mood when in here :p`
`00:33.37`	`Arthas-`	`anyway`
`00:33.45`	`Arthas-`	`what does the code look like if you take it from galaxy?`
`00:33.49`	`Arthas-`	`out of pure interest`
`00:33.51`	`Galois-evariste`	`i have no idea`
`00:33.55`	`Arthas-`	`ctrl + f11`
`00:33.56`	`Arthas-`	`GO!`
`00:34.33`	`Galois-evariste`	`if ((ModI(UnitGroupCount(gv_theAttackingUnits, c_unitCountAlive), 2) == 0)) {`
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`00:34.33`	`Galois-evariste`	`<PROTECTED>`
`00:34.33`	`Galois-evariste`	`<PROTECTED>`
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`00:34.38`	`Galois-evariste`	`<PROTECTED>`
`00:34.50`	`Arthas-`	`wtf`
`00:35.01`	`Arthas-`	`the horror of gui :p`
`00:35.14`	`Lyrrad`	`those are really evil vairable names`
`00:35.18`	`Arthas-`	`indeed`
`00:35.21`	`Arthas-`	`well Galois-evariste`
`00:35.22`	`Galois-evariste`	`hey faggots`
`00:35.34`	`rrowland`	`The player-defined variables are decent`
`00:35.40`	`rrowland`	`lv_ gv_ lp_ etc`
`00:35.43`	`rrowland`	`At least they make sense`
`00:35.44`	`Lyrrad`	`yes, that makes us want to help you`
`00:35.46`	`Arthas-`	`you should change your tone as soon as possible if you want help :p`
`00:35.48`	`Galois-evariste`	`i'm not interested in what you think of my cologne i'm interested in what you think of my problem`
`00:35.55`	`rrowland`	`The iterators are ghastly though`
`00:36.02`	`Arthas-`	`and i am no longer interested in looking at your problem`
`00:36.04`	`Arthas-`	`:)`
`00:36.06`	`Galois-evariste`	`then don't`
`00:36.09`	`Arthas-`	`have fun solving it`
`00:36.17`	`Galois-evariste`	`you weren't going anywhere anyway - you dont even know congruence`
`00:36.19`	`rrowland`	`Oh is he being a douchebag again?`
`00:36.23`	`heysparky`	`yup`
`00:36.26`	`rrowland`	`I'm not sure because I still have him ignored`
`00:36.26`	`Arthas-`	`rrowland yeah`
`00:36.33`	`Arthas-`	`I save all the douce logs and post em on my webpage :p`
`00:36.36`	`Arthas-`	`fun times`
`00:36.37`	`Lyrrad`	`oh damn slave driver sparky is back`
`00:36.47`	`heysparky`	`:D`
`00:36.53`	`heysparky`	`lol`
`00:36.54`	`Galois-evariste`	`is that bastard still here? i muted his ass long ago`
`00:36.57`	`heysparky`	`I'm not cracking any whips`
`00:36.59`	`Lyrrad`	`time to go back to work of he will make me work on his spine crawler`
`00:38.01`	`hyarion`	`would be nice to have the irc-client to output a dummy line if an /ignore :d person writes somethng`
`00:38.18`	`AsaPhelps`	`Anyone want to help me test my map? I'm on US`
`00:38.19`	`heysparky`	`like 'Hi, I'm an asshat yammering again.'`
`00:38.23`	`hyarion`	`it's hard some times to understand wtf some ppl talk about whe you only see it as a monolog`
`00:38.36`	`Arthas-`	`yeah :p`
`00:38.44`	`heysparky`	`I never ban folks`
`00:39.04`	`heysparky`	`rather /ignore`
`00:39.15`	`Arthas-`	`i did ignore * once`
`00:39.20`	`heysparky`	`lol`
`00:39.22`	`Lyrrad`	`only time I ignore is when its spam`
`00:39.24`	`Arthas-`	`the sweet sweet silence`
`00:39.50`	`Arthas-`	`anyway`
`00:39.53`	`Arthas-`	`whats up with copy to text`
`00:39.54`	`Arthas-`	`General - Repeat (Actions) (- ((/ (((Number of Living units in The Attacking Units) + 1), 2)), 1)) times`
`00:40.01`	`Arthas-`	`that doesnt really make sense in any way`
`00:40.12`	`Arthas-`	`ok it does but its hell to read`
`00:40.22`	`Arthas-`	`that would be x+1/2-1`
`00:40.27`	`Arthas-`	`i think`
`00:40.28`	`Arthas-`	`what a mess`
`00:40.52`	`Galois-evariste`	`there i figured it out`
`00:40.59`	`Galois-evariste`	`and no you were wrong`
`00:41.09`	`Arthas-`	`looks like postfix or something`
`00:41.18`	`Galois-evariste`	`what i wrote is [(x+1)/2] + 1`
`00:41.21`	`hyarion`	`Arthas-: do you need to write (/ a, b) for a / b? :S`
`00:41.24`	`Galois-evariste`	`and that was not the right answer as well`
`00:41.36`	`Arthas-`	`hyarion in the gui?`
`00:41.38`	`Arthas-`	`a/b`
`00:41.44`	`Galois-evariste`	`interesting gay piece of shit fact about this editor`
`00:42.02`	`Galois-evariste`	`[(x+1)/2]+1 = X + 1, but [(x+1)/2]+0 = X`
`00:42.05`	`Galois-evariste`	`for some gay reason`
`00:42.06`	`Galois-evariste`	`when X is odd`
`00:42.19`	`Galois-evariste`	`excuse me`
`00:42.20`	`rrowland`	`Arg which license is the opensource license? It's one of the GNUs I'm pretty sure`
`00:42.24`	`Galois-evariste`	`that doesn't highlight the gayness`
`00:42.26`	`Galois-evariste`	`let me retype that`
`00:42.29`	`Arthas-`	`rrowland gpl?`
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`00:42.41`	`Galois-evariste`	`[(x+1)/2]+1 = X + 1 = [(x+1)/2], but [(x+1)/2]+0 = X`
`00:42.43`	`Galois-evariste`	`for X odd`
`00:42.45`	`Galois-evariste`	`makes no sense`
`00:42.52`	`Galois-evariste`	`whatsoever in Z`
`00:42.53`	`rrowland`	`Not sure what diff between GPL and lesser GPL is`
`00:43.00`	`Galois-evariste`	`maybe Z/2Z`
`00:43.01`	`Arthas-`	`lesser gpl is lib license iirc`
`00:43.06`	`Arthas-`	`ie`
`00:43.11`	`hyarion`	`no`
`00:43.18`	`hyarion`	`lgpl is not lib license`
`00:43.20`	`Arthas-`	`ppl can use your library without redistributing the code which they use the libarary in?`
`00:43.33`	`Arthas-`	`well, used for libraries then?`
`00:43.48`	`hyarion`	`lgpl is used for libs, but it's not only for that`
`00:43.54`	`Arthas-`	`while, with normal gpl, if they use your code, their code has to be released`
`00:44.07`	`rrowland`	`Ahh okay`
`00:44.11`	`Arthas-`	`hyarq`
`00:44.13`	`Arthas-`	`hyarion`
`00:44.17`	`Arthas-`	`correct me on that if im wrong plz`
`00:44.26`	`rrowland`	`And with the LGPL they're free to modify my lib right?`
`00:44.31`	`Arthas-`	`yes`
`00:44.33`	`rrowland`	`Cool`
`00:44.33`	`Arthas-`	`but if they mod the lib`
`00:44.37`	`hyarion`	`gpl = all your base are belong to us (to gpl)`
`00:44.38`	`Arthas-`	`they will have to give out the changes`
`00:44.39`	`Arthas-`	`or well`
`00:44.44`	`Arthas-`	`not really as the lib is never compiled`
`00:44.48`	`Arthas-`	`a loophole in gpl :p`
`00:44.52`	`Arthas-`	`v2`
`00:45.05`	`Arthas-`	`if i dload php code for example, i dont need to give out my changes`
`00:45.09`	`hyarion`	`lgpl = all your modificcations are belong to us, but not your code as long as you don't link it staticly but dynamic linkage is ok :D`
`00:45.12`	`Arthas-`	`due to the fact its never distributed with a binary`
`00:45.15`	`hyarion`	`HA HA HA HA !!!`
`00:45.25`	`Arthas-`	`and since map files are not binaries`
`00:45.25`	`Arthas-`	`well`
`00:45.30`	`Arthas-`	`gpl3 would be the way to go`
`00:45.42`	`Arthas-`	`unless other open source licenses are available :p`
`00:46.10`	`hyarion`	`why not the zlib license or BSD?`
`00:46.18`	`rrowland`	`Well I'm putting my lib up so that it can be improved / used for maps / discussed. My only real concern is that the credit sticks to me`
`00:46.19`	`hyarion`	`do almost what ever you want`
`00:46.35`	`Arthas-`	`rrowland then gpl would be fine`
`00:46.44`	`rrowland`	`Well I don't want them to have to post open source maps`
`00:46.47`	`hyarion`	`but then the src would need to be available too`
`00:46.53`	`rrowland`	`Just for using the lib`
`00:47.01`	`rrowland`	`LGPL is the way to go it seems`
`00:47.02`	`AsaPhelps`	`I need someone to help me test my map please, I'm on US`
`00:47.02`	`hyarion`	`and all maps that uses it needs to be GPL:ed aswell`
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`00:47.12`	`Arthas-`	`hyarion not if he go lgpl`
`00:47.23`	`hyarion`	`yeah, lgpl would work fine`
`00:47.27`	`rrowland`	`kk Cool`
`00:47.28`	`rrowland`	`Thanks guys`
`00:47.32`	`Arthas-`	`np`
`00:47.40`	`rrowland`	`v3 or v2? :P`
`00:47.46`	`rrowland`	`You were talking about a loop hole in v2 right`
`00:47.49`	`hyarion`	`rrowland: but then you will force them to show their modifications to your source`
`00:47.50`	`Arthas-`	`yeah`
`00:47.52`	`Arthas-`	`v3`
`00:48.03`	`hyarion`	`but perhapse that's ok`
`00:48.09`	`rrowland`	`Yeah it they improve my source`
`00:48.10`	`Arthas-`	`im not sure if the whole is in lgpl v2 , but it is in gpl v2 :)`
`00:48.16`	`rrowland`	`They show it, I can use it to improve my source`
`00:48.21`	`Arthas-`	`I mean, you are free to change the license at any time :)`
`00:48.46`	`hyarion`	`aslong as everyone who commited src agrees with the license change`
`00:48.46`	`Arthas-`	`-( hyarion ): rrowland: but then you will force them to show their modifications to your source - thats only fair in arthas eyes`
`00:48.54`	`rrowland`	`Ooh I get to add my own license text`
`00:48.59`	`Arthas-`	`Arthas, even after becoming the dark prince is really a nice person`
`00:49.19`	`rrowland`	`"You must be wearing a pretty princess crown any time you are looking at this code"`
`00:49.21`	`heysparky`	`any data folks who haven't seen.... I'm trying to make destructibles transportable and hvae given them movement, made them not default to neural and given them a cargo space value... so wtf won't my transports pick em up?`
`00:49.26`	`Arthas-`	`rrowland DO IT!`
`00:49.43`	`rrowland`	`lol`
`00:50.09`	`hyarion`	`rrowland: lgpl should work fine in your case`
`00:50.34`	`hyarion`	`and aslong you are the only one who makes changes to the code it wont be any problem to change the license`
`00:50.49`	`Arthas-`	`heysparky`
`00:50.58`	`Arthas-`	`according to what i see on the medivacs load/unload ability`
`00:51.02`	`rrowland`	`Well I want to invite others to improve it if they have improvements`
`00:51.04`	`Arthas-`	`destructibles are already transportable`
`00:51.12`	`heysparky`	`I'm trying to use overlords`
`00:51.20`	`heysparky`	`to pick up braxis debris`
`00:51.26`	`rrowland`	`It's not just one library, I'll be converting a lot of my functions to libraries and uploading them under the same license`
`00:51.29`	`Arthas-`	`ut the same is true for air`
`00:51.31`	`Arthas-`	`so thats not it`
`00:51.36`	`Arthas-`	`lemme look around for a bit`
`00:51.40`	`heysparky`	`ty`
`00:51.42`	`Arthas-`	`i might find something`
`00:52.54`	`Arthas-`	`heysparky destructible neutral?`
`00:52.56`	`hyarion`	`rrowland: do you always want the src to be opensource or might there be a time when you want to close it?`
`00:53.09`	`rrowland`	`It will always be open source`
`00:53.24`	`heysparky`	`no, arthas`
`00:53.38`	`rrowland`	`I don't think you can really close the source on galaxy library anyway`
`00:53.46`	`heysparky`	`transport moves up to debris and then stops`
`00:54.00`	`Arthas-`	`and debris is owned by player`
`00:54.06`	`heysparky`	`I've gotten it to where I don't get any 'you can't do that' errors, but it doesn't pick it up`
`00:54.07`	`hyarion`	`rrowland: then i see no problem with lgpl:ing it`
`00:54.08`	`heysparky`	`yeah`
`00:54.12`	`Arthas-`	`is the debris an actualy unit w/o movement`
`00:54.25`	`heysparky`	`has the ability+ movement`
`00:54.32`	`rrowland`	`Hmmmmmm I have an idea. Maybe I can create libraries that are pure Galaxy code and have no triggers attached`
`00:54.35`	`heysparky`	`and some small movement values (though it doesn't actually move)`
`00:54.48`	`rrowland`	`That way they wouldn't add to the trigger file size`
`00:54.51`	`hyarion`	`and if you choose lgpl instead of gpl then it's possible for other ppl to use it without needing to use gpl aswell :)`
`00:55.30`	`rrowland`	`Cool`
`00:55.33`	`hyarion`	`rrowland: that sounds like a good idea, modulize it as much as you can :)`
`00:55.34`	`rrowland`	`Looks like LGPL is perfect`
`00:55.42`	`hyarion`	`purrfect even :)`
`00:55.45`	`hyarion`	`mijau`
`00:55.48`	`rrowland`	`lolwut`
`00:56.04`	`hyarion`	`<_<`
`00:56.06`	`hyarion`	`>_>`
`00:56.12`	`hyarion`	`is looking for missy`
`00:56.18`	`rrowland`	`Man I'm excited about this idea`
`00:56.24`	`rrowland`	`I hope it really does reduce trigger filesize`
`00:56.40`	`rrowland`	`Then I'll actually have a reason to code galaxy only libraries 8)`
`00:56.41`	`hyarion`	`btw, you don't plan to sell it are you?`
`00:56.43`	`rrowland`	`Like the nerd I am`
`00:56.50`	`rrowland`	`The libraries no`
`00:56.51`	`hyarion`	`cause it might be a bit hard if it's lgpl`
`00:56.56`	`Neko`	`mjeoowwww`
`00:57.02`	`Neko`	`registered nick? wtf :(`
`00:57.23`	`rrowland`	`I may or may not use these libraries in the future in a premium map`
`00:57.27`	`Arthas-`	`heysparky give me some time on this one`
`00:57.33`	`rrowland`	`Is that a problem?`
`00:57.38`	`hyarion`	`cause you would have to release the src for it if anyone askes, and then they can use it for free as it's lgpl :)`
`00:57.52`	`hyarion`	`rrowland: no that's ok`
`00:57.54`	`rrowland`	`Only the library though right? Not my actual map source`
`00:58.15`	`heysparky`	`arthas, no worries`
`00:58.21`	`hyarion`	`map src shouldn't be lgpl or gpl if you want to sell it :)`
`00:58.27`	`rrowland`	`Yeah`
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`00:58.38`	`rrowland`	`I won't be licensing it, just my libraries`
`00:59.38`	`AsaPhelps`	`I need someone to help me test my map, I'm on US. Cookies will be given`
`00:59.56`	`heysparky`	`Is my cookie otw?`
`01:00.00`	`Arthas-`	`<TargetFilters value="Player,Visible;Ally,Neutral,Enemy,Dead,Hidden,Buried"/>`
`01:00.04`	`rrowland`	`uhhh`
`01:00.06`	`AsaPhelps`	`You already ate it`
`01:00.07`	`Arthas-`	`ithey dont even seem to restrict air there`
`01:00.09`	`rrowland`	`.SC2Lib is a .MPQ isn't it?`
`01:00.16`	`Arthas-`	`rrowland yes`
`01:00.27`	`Arthas-`	`but it still doesnt allow air units to be transported`
`01:00.28`	`rrowland`	`Trying to open it in my MPQ editor is crashing it, wtf`
`01:00.43`	`hyarion`	`you sould write something like "copyright (C) rrowland 2010, all rights reserved" in those files so ppl don't think they are lgpl aswell`
`01:00.43`	`heysparky`	`debris isn't an air unit... : /`
`01:00.50`	`Arthas-`	`heysparky i know`
`01:00.53`	`heysparky`	`ah`
`01:00.56`	`Arthas-`	`but im trying to figure out how it chooses its targets`
`01:01.00`	`heysparky`	`gotcha`
`01:01.05`	`Arthas-`	`it might be in the transport ability itself`
`01:01.08`	`Arthas-`	`debris is what`
`01:01.12`	`Arthas-`	`a normal unit?`
`01:01.16`	`heysparky`	`unit type destructible`
`01:01.21`	`heysparky`	`but that didn't seem to matter either`
`01:01.30`	`heysparky`	`I made 2 versoins`
`01:01.31`	`heysparky`	`neither worked`
`01:01.35`	`jmac`	`so 2 gigs of ddr2 ram, 256mg geforce 6800... athlon 64 2.0 ghz...sc2 runs poorly. any suggestions on first upgrade?`
`01:01.46`	`Arthas-`	`and the mover is set to ground?`
`01:01.49`	`heysparky`	`I thought the same, about load/unload... but didn't make any headway there`
`01:01.56`	`AsaPhelps`	`geforce 6800`
`01:01.57`	`Arthas-`	`jmac graphics`
`01:02.00`	`heysparky`	`yeah, the mover is ground even if it doesn't have movment`
`01:02.12`	`Arthas-`	`and the plane array?`
`01:02.22`	`jmac`	`ok, how can i tell if my mobo supports pci express gfx cards?`
`01:02.34`	`Arthas-`	`that looks like agp to me`
`01:02.49`	`jmac`	`its agp/pci e but i think i have it hooked up as agp`
`01:03.02`	`Arthas-`	`the mobo that is`
`01:03.11`	`Arthas-`	`ive never seen a computer w that old specs that is pci-e`
`01:03.15`	`Arthas-`	`but ive been wrong before :p`
`01:03.18`	`Arthas-`	`what mobo do you have`
`01:03.34`	`Arthas-`	`heysparky the planearray was for you :p`
`01:03.45`	`heysparky`	`planearray is gorund`
`01:04.00`	`Arthas-`	`hmmm`
`01:04.06`	`jmac`	`arthas, not sure how to check`
`01:04.34`	`hyarion`	`jmac: that should be agp`
`01:05.10`	`hyarion`	`jmac: what mobo do you have?`
`01:05.42`	`Arthas-`	`heysparky seriously, this is a tough one :p`
`01:06.00`	`heysparky`	`It so shouldn't be though... or it seems like it`
`01:06.08`	`jmac`	`hyarion how do i reply?`
`01:06.14`	`heysparky`	`how is it I come up with the hardest things to do in data?`
`01:06.21`	`heysparky`	`:)`
`01:06.26`	`hyarion`	`jmac: huh?`
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`01:06.46`	`Arthas-`	`heysparky good question`
`01:07.02`	`Arthas-`	`you hate us! :p`
`01:07.05`	`heysparky`	`I don't!`
`01:07.20`	`hyarion`	`jmac: what do you mean?`
`01:07.31`	`heysparky`	`I just want a spinecrawler that pins and debris that can be loaded onto a transport`
`01:07.35`	`rrowland`	`Can't seem to open SC2Lib as an MPQ`
`01:07.57`	`jmac`	`are you sending private tells hyarion your name is in red`
`01:08.19`	`hyarion`	`ah no that's just because i'm writing your name`
`01:08.28`	`hyarion`	`jmac <--- like that`
`01:08.39`	`Arthas-`	`rrowland`
`01:08.41`	`Arthas-`	`weird`
`01:08.50`	`hyarion`	`it's the same when you wirte hyarion :)`
`01:08.57`	`hyarion`	`it's not priv though`
`01:08.58`	`Arthas-`	`they should be mpqs`
`01:09.07`	`rrowland`	`Doesn't look like they are... Sigh`
`01:09.11`	`Arthas-`	`or are they text only perhaps?`
`01:09.16`	`hyarion`	`you need to write /msg hyarion stuff to send priv for that`
`01:09.25`	`Arthas-`	`rrowland that is one possibility :p`
`01:09.30`	`rrowland`	`I'll check`
`01:09.41`	`jmac`	`hyarion ah ok, checking my mobo now 1 sec`
`01:09.56`	`hyarion`	`or what type of computer is it?`
`01:10.06`	`rrowland`	`haha Yeah they're straight text`
`01:10.06`	`hyarion`	`compaq, dell, hp?`
`01:10.07`	`rrowland`	`Sweet`
`01:10.21`	`hyarion`	`cause if so the model number should be enough`
`01:10.23`	`rrowland`	`Actually, not sweet`
`01:10.30`	`rrowland`	`It's 100% trigger data`
`01:10.37`	`rrowland`	`No place for galaxy code`
`01:10.52`	`jmac`	`its custom built`
`01:10.56`	`hyarion`	`ok`
`01:12.40`	`Arthas-`	`figured it out heysparky`
`01:12.44`	`heysparky`	`yes!`
`01:12.47`	`Arthas-`	`at least for auir units`
`01:12.50`	`Arthas-`	`go the the unit`
`01:12.54`	`Arthas-`	`then look for cargo size`
`01:13.00`	`Arthas-`	`if that is unset, they wont load into the transport`
`01:13.01`	`heysparky`	`the debris?`
`01:13.04`	`Arthas-`	`yes`
`01:13.09`	`heysparky`	`I already hae that set...`
`01:13.10`	`Arthas-`	`hopefully the debris have that field`
`01:13.13`	`Arthas-`	`hmmm`
`01:13.14`	`heysparky`	`they do`
`01:13.15`	`pkol`	`<PROTECTED>`
`01:13.16`	`heysparky`	`first thing I did`
`01:13.31`	`FrozenFirebat`	`soooo annoying... getting the Map cannot load error, but there is no P14`
`01:13.32`	`heysparky`	`because I was hopefuly that that field carried all the transporrt behavior with it`
`01:13.36`	`Lyrrad`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQ85Q0o0L78`
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`01:14.26`	`NeoDeathXp`	`hai!`
`01:14.33`	`Lyrrad`	`hello`
`01:14.40`	`AsaPhelps`	`Does anyone want to help me test a terrible map?`
`01:14.47`	`jmac`	`lol`
`01:14.55`	`heysparky`	`hey pretty cool Lyrrad`
`01:15.01`	`NeoDeathXp`	`only if its extra terrible`
`01:15.04`	`Lyrrad`	`wow, with a sales pitch like that who can say no`
`01:15.17`	`pkol`	`thats pretty awesome lyrrad`
`01:15.27`	`AsaPhelps`	`Anyone who helps gets a choice of a cookie or a mystery box`
`01:15.31`	`pkol`	`stole jeriko from ironman :p`
`01:15.33`	`heysparky`	`I like the camera that pulls up from the hellion through the battle cruiser`
`01:15.39`	`Lyrrad`	`whats in the mystery box?`
`01:15.49`	`Lyrrad`	`yep`
`01:15.59`	`heysparky`	`if it's a spinecrawler with a pin attack, I'm in!`
`01:16.02`	`Lyrrad`	`I considered doing that scene from Ironman`
`01:16.03`	`jmac`	`hyarion idk man belarc wont show me mobo info for some reason`
`01:16.13`	`NeoDeathXp`	`i dunno`
`01:16.15`	`AsaPhelps`	`I think thats going to do better than your cloak Lyrra`
`01:16.50`	`AsaPhelps`	`clock*`
`01:17.06`	`AsaPhelps`	`It wouldn't be a mystery box if its contents were revealed`
`01:17.40`	`hyarion`	`jmac: guess you need to open the copy up then`
`01:17.52`	`hyarion`	`then google whateever it sais on the board :)`
`01:18.41`	`hyarion`	`don't remove any cards when it's on though ^^`
`01:18.52`	`jmac`	`heh i know, let me check`
`01:18.59`	`hyarion`	`:)`
`01:19.03`	`hyarion`	`well i'm off to sleep`
`01:19.08`	`hyarion`	`jmac: good luck`
`01:19.40`	`hyarion`	`Arthas-: go get some zZzZz too ;)`
`01:20.12`	`AsaPhelps`	`Can you make multiple units share health without triggers?`
`01:20.44`	`Alpha_vst`	`im making a movie for the thingy`
`01:21.45`	`Alpha_vst`	`might be possible with behaviors`
`01:21.51`	`Alpha_vst`	`idono`
`01:22.12`	`heysparky`	`gnight hyarion`
`01:22.22`	`Arthas-`	`soon`
`01:22.23`	`Arthas-`	`im so close`
`01:22.25`	`Arthas-`	`nn hyarion`
`01:22.40`	`heysparky`	`I've been there all day, off and on`
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`01:29.31`	`Arthas-`	`im now loading destructibles`
`01:29.31`	`Arthas-`	`hmm`
`01:30.40`	`Arthas-`	`heysparky`
`01:30.41`	`Arthas-`	`ok`
`01:30.57`	`Arthas-`	`i can now load the destructible`
`01:31.13`	`Arthas-`	`dont know if planearray etc is required`
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`01:31.14`	`Arthas-`	`BUT`
`01:31.30`	`Arthas-`	`hmm`
`01:31.32`	`Arthas-`	`lemme test`
`01:31.42`	`RingBearer`	`gah... I have somehow made negative progress`
`01:31.48`	`RingBearer`	`stupid data editor`
`01:32.18`	`AsaPhelps`	`Don't hate`
`01:33.13`	`heysparky`	`sweet!`
`01:33.17`	`Arthas-`	`well`
`01:33.22`	`Arthas-`	`its not that nice`
`01:33.38`	`Arthas-`	`in order to load a unit it has to be movable`
`01:33.47`	`Arthas-`	`checking to see if its away around that atm`
`01:33.57`	`heysparky`	`I gave my debris the move ability in abilities+`
`01:33.59`	`Arthas-`	`but you need to give the unit move ability, acceleration and speed`
`01:34.06`	`Lyrrad`	`Looks like the contest is up to 23 or 24 entires, and its only walfway through the time`
`01:34.08`	`heysparky`	`and even gave it accel and speed`
`01:34.09`	`Arthas-`	`if any of those are missing, it wont work`
`01:34.20`	`Arthas-`	`it also needs the movable flag`
`01:34.25`	`Arthas-`	`which is default on`
`01:34.30`	`heysparky`	`I did all that... does that mean checked or unchecked?`
`01:35.00`	`Arthas-`	`checked`
`01:35.12`	`Arthas-`	`make sure your destructible actually moves`
`01:35.19`	`Arthas-`	`when rightclicking anywhere`
`01:35.22`	`Arthas-`	`if it doesnt it wont work`
`01:35.34`	`heysparky`	`it's checked`
`01:35.40`	`heysparky`	`though my debris won't move`
`01:35.47`	`Lyrrad`	`Ok Slave Driver Sparky, I am firing up Galaxy Edit`
`01:36.04`	`Arthas-`	`then something is wrong`
`01:36.13`	`heysparky`	`SWEET`
`01:36.22`	`heysparky`	`./whipah`
`01:36.25`	`Arthas-`	`so what did you miss?`
`01:36.29`	`Arthas-`	`:p`
`01:36.36`	`heysparky`	`was lashing lyrrad`
`01:37.05`	`Arthas-`	`ah :p`
`01:37.07`	`Lyrrad`	`You wanted a spine crawler is a floral display right`
`01:37.15`	`Lyrrad`	`is = with`
`01:37.35`	`Arthas-`	`heysparky really`
`01:37.47`	`Arthas-`	`doublecheck that the placed destructible is the right one`
`01:37.55`	`heysparky`	`oh? k`
`01:38.08`	`Arthas-`	`that that one has flags movable checked, acceleration to 1, abilities +: move and speed 1`
`01:38.18`	`AsaPhelps`	`Are any of the entries ridiculously good?`
`01:38.18`	`Arthas-`	`those are the requisities`
`01:38.59`	`heysparky`	`I have all that - and cargo space`
`01:39.01`	`jmac`	`anyone recommend a legit store such as newegg but not newegg. for mobo/cpu combos?`
`01:39.08`	`Lyrrad`	`Asa - I reather like mine, but you should watch them, a lot of them are quite impressive`
`01:39.09`	`AsaPhelps`	`tigerdirect?`
`01:39.14`	`Arthas-`	`sparky, you said you were unable to move the destructible though`
`01:39.16`	`AsaPhelps`	`I don't use them though`
`01:39.23`	`heysparky`	`yes`
`01:39.26`	`heysparky`	`it won't move`
`01:39.35`	`heysparky`	`also defaults to neutral unchecked`
`01:39.39`	`AsaPhelps`	`This micro map is pretty clever`
`01:41.15`	`Arthas-`	`hmmm`
`01:41.35`	`heysparky`	`puzzling`
`01:42.01`	`heysparky`	`and it doesn't bitch at me when I try to command it`
`01:42.06`	`heysparky`	`like if you command regular debris`
`01:43.57`	`Arthas-`	`ok heysparky`
`01:44.00`	`Arthas-`	`try this`
`01:44.08`	`Arthas-`	`change the type of the destructible to unit`
`01:44.12`	`Arthas-`	`then back again to destructible`
`01:44.43`	`Arthas-`	`that adds something to the movability`
`01:45.00`	`Arthas-`	`behind the scenes, and keeps it when you put it back as unit`
`01:46.36`	`heysparky`	`k`
`01:47.31`	`heysparky`	`bingo - nice find Arthas!`
`01:47.45`	`heysparky`	`that's the silliest thing I've seen`
`01:48.20`	`heysparky`	`SWEET`
`01:48.25`	`heysparky`	`Thanks heaps!`
`01:48.51`	`Arthas-`	`SOLVED IT!`
`01:48.53`	`heysparky`	`looks great when transport drops it`
`01:48.53`	`Arthas-`	`FUCK YES`
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`01:49.08`	`Arthas-`	`heysparky`
`01:49.10`	`Arthas-`	`final touch`
`01:49.11`	`Arthas-`	`go to flags`
`01:49.14`	`Arthas-`	`keep movable`
`01:49.18`	`Arthas-`	`but mark uncommandable`
`01:49.21`	`heysparky`	`ah, nice`
`01:49.23`	`Arthas-`	`that way you cant move it`
`01:49.30`	`Arthas-`	`but it still has mov so it will get picked up`
`01:49.38`	`Arthas-`	`i rawk at figuring this shit out`
`01:49.45`	`Arthas-`	`and now i have to get up in 5h :p`
`01:49.50`	`Arthas-`	`sooooo yeah, good night :)`
`01:50.01`	`heysparky`	`lol`
`01:50.06`	`heysparky`	`thanks a lot, man`
`01:50.14`	`Arthas-`	`np`
`01:50.17`	`Arthas-`	`stupid birds`
`01:50.20`	`Arthas-`	`sounds like sandstorm`
`01:50.20`	`Arthas-`	`:(`
`01:50.30`	`Arthas-`	`but they just do the same part over and over again`
`01:51.38`	`Repo`	`New map: http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/missile-command-v-4-alpha/. Missile Command. asaphelps (Manager/Author). Experimental. Approved by sixen.`
`01:51.43`	`Repo`	`New map: http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/commando-working-title/. Commando (Working Title). Ardnived (Manager/Author). Experimental. Approved by sixen.`
`01:51.59`	`Repo`	`New map: http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/cinematiccontest-deliverancelost/. Cinematic contest - Deliverancelost. deliverancelost (Manager/Author). Approved by sixen.`
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`01:59.44`	`Lyrrad`	`Sparky - You want it as an ability or an attack?`
`02:01.30`	`heysparky`	`ability`
`02:06.12`	`RingBearer`	`A shame I must eat my words, but someone figured out how to attach units last night?`
`02:06.20`	`RingBearer`	`via data editor`
`02:06.36`	`Lyrrad`	`and you have to eat your words?`
`02:06.50`	`RingBearer`	`is Pro trigger :/`
`02:07.05`	`Lyrrad`	`eeewwwwww`
`02:07.20`	`Lyrrad`	`DIE MINION OF EVIL!`
`02:07.26`	`RingBearer`	`dies`
`02:07.35`	`heysparky`	`lol`
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`02:07.53`	`RingBearer`	`revives himself via triggers`
`02:08.43`	`Lyrrad`	`You see thats the advantage of the data editor, the ability I created to kill minions of evil has less lag then triggers minions of evil create to kill warriors of the holy data editor`
`02:09.07`	`RingBearer`	`Now thats reminding me of a joke UMS map I made for starcraft`
`02:09.18`	`Lyrrad`	`oh?`
`02:09.50`	`RingBearer`	`Lag RPG... the longer you play, the more lag you get. The only way to stop the horror of lag it is to complete objectives and to kill lag monsters`
`02:09.58`	`Lyrrad`	`I made a sc map where the entire purpose was to walk around in a golith and kill civilians`
`02:10.07`	`Lyrrad`	`wait a second, I remember that map`
`02:10.53`	`Lyrrad`	`or at least one like it`
`02:11.18`	`RingBearer`	`Lies... unless you one of those folks who hung out in that channel..... RPG I think`
`02:11.26`	`RingBearer`	`Maybe it was {RPG}`
`02:11.39`	`Lyrrad`	`I don't think I did`
`02:11.50`	`RingBearer`	`Ever heard of a fella named Fenix?`
`02:11.52`	`Lyrrad`	`but I do remember a map along those lines`
`02:11.53`	`RingBearer`	`nm`
`02:11.58`	`RingBearer`	`Spider mines`
`02:12.02`	`RingBearer`	`makes lots of lag :)`
`02:12.12`	`Lyrrad`	`yeah, he was a hero in the sc1 campaign`
`02:12.32`	`RingBearer`	`nm... was refering to a person who's name was rpg-fenix or something along those lines`
`02:13.07`	`RingBearer`	`I did hang around someone who made the mario party maps in SC 1`
`02:13.28`	`Lyrrad`	`I need to get back to slaving or Sparky will give me the squint again`
`02:13.41`	`RingBearer`	`pfffttt`
`02:13.47`	`RingBearer`	`I'm sure a trigger could solve that`
`02:13.57`	`Lyrrad`	`You haven't seen the Squint yet`
`02:14.12`	`RingBearer`	`Squint enters region - cloak triggering unit`
`02:14.14`	`Lyrrad`	`Not even the holy light of the data editor is a match for it`
`02:14.20`	`RingBearer`	`Now you can't see it`
`02:14.22`	`RingBearer`	`all better`
`02:14.28`	`Lyrrad`	`its got the immune to cloak flag checked`
`02:14.37`	`Lyrrad`	`and its a detector`
`02:14.37`	`RingBearer`	`yikes`
`02:14.42`	`heysparky`	`lol, don't make me out to be nasty :D`
`02:14.51`	`heysparky`	`It's a trade!`
`02:14.58`	`RingBearer`	`it stirs!`
`02:14.59`	`RingBearer`	`FLEEE`
`02:15.04`	`heysparky`	`lol`
`02:15.14`	`Lyrrad`	`don't let it squint at you, run!`
`02:15.34`	`heysparky`	`.///initializing _squint`
`02:15.41`	`heysparky`	`.......`
`02:15.42`	`Lyrrad`	`AHHHHHHH`
`02:15.44`	`heysparky`	`..................`
`02:15.47`	`heysparky`	`.................................................`
`02:15.48`	`heysparky`	`:D`
`02:16.04`	`Lyrrad`	`is trying to write an effect to save himself`
`02:16.10`	`Ingela`	`hmm`
`02:16.16`	`Ingela`	`maybe one shouold see lotr now again`
`02:16.26`	`Ingela`	`ringbearer needs to change nick`
`02:16.26`	`Ingela`	`=(`
`02:16.52`	`Lyrrad`	`hmmm...I should probably watched those since I borrowed the DVDs from my parents...`
`02:16.58`	`Seyon`	`been trying to create a map to mimic a starcraft map`
`02:17.27`	`Seyon`	`recently found that I created a dominoes effect`
`02:17.30`	`Lyrrad`	`But I am pretty sure its Sparky's eye in lotr`
`02:17.49`	`Seyon`	`zergling attacking creates a zergling`
`02:17.56`	`Seyon`	`created zergling has same effect`
`02:18.02`	`Seyon`	`good god...`
`02:18.25`	`Lyrrad`	`That'll crash your map quickly`
`02:18.34`	`heysparky`	`lol`
`02:18.42`	`Seyon`	`i put all zerglings on a timed duration of 3 seconds now`
`02:19.01`	`heysparky`	`I always tohught of myself more as a Merry or a Pippin`
`02:19.05`	`heysparky`	`male-ness aside`
`02:19.36`	`Lyrrad`	`comic relief?`
`02:19.42`	`Seyon`	`i need a different type of map editor`
`02:19.43`	`Ingela`	`.. and my axe!`
`02:19.49`	`Seyon`	`blizzards one feels funky`
`02:19.59`	`Ingela`	`lol`
`02:20.01`	`heysparky`	`cheery, upbeat and surprising :D`
`02:20.04`	`Ingela`	`blizzards map editor is piece of shit`
`02:20.14`	`Ingela`	`i've probably never sen anything more unlogical`
`02:20.16`	`Ingela`	`and unsorted`
`02:20.25`	`Seyon`	`and they use this to create the game`
`02:20.25`	`Arthas-zzz`	`rrowland`
`02:20.29`	`Seyon`	`no wonder it takes forever`
`02:20.30`	`Lyrrad`	`unlogical eh?`
`02:20.32`	`Arthas-zzz`	`addition to this: ( hyarion ): cause you would have to release the src for it if anyone askes, and then they can use it for free as it's lgpl :)`
`02:20.37`	`Arthas-zzz`	`that is not entirly correct`
`02:20.49`	`Arthas-zzz`	`as long as you are the only contributor you can change license whenever you want to`
`02:21.27`	`Arthas-zzz`	`if however, I for example make an addition which is in the libs and which you would like to use, then youd need my permission aswell since you can change the license of my contributions just like that`
`02:21.48`	`Arthas-zzz`	`one of the meny reasons the linux kernel is still gpl2`
`02:21.51`	`Arthas-zzz`	`manyÄ`
`02:21.55`	`Arthas-zzz`	`back to bed!`
`02:22.03`	`Ingela`	`gn Arthas-zzz`
`02:22.53`	`heysparky`	`gnight Arthas`
`02:23.11`	`Seyon`	`before I spend time trying to create it`
`02:23.19`	`Seyon`	`anyone got a reload trigger for terran units?`
`02:23.36`	`Seyon`	`I was going to just give them a super slow attack that hits 9 times...`
`02:23.38`	`Seyon`	`or something`
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`02:25.30`	`heysparky`	`not me seyon`
`02:26.00`	`Seyon`	`eh... if I can get a zealot to attack exponentially... i can figure this out`
`02:27.01`	`heysparky`	`./squint offline for maintenance`
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`02:48.17`	`deathnight114`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8B16eAS1dwA`
`02:48.20`	`deathnight114`	`epix`
`02:52.33`	`Repo`	`New announcement: http://www.sc2mapster.com/announcements/beta-key-giveaway/`
`02:52.48`	`FrozenFirebat`	`that really was epic`
`02:52.59`	`heysparky`	`it is`
`02:53.03`	`heysparky`	`It looks really fun`
`02:53.51`	`Seyon`	`<PROTECTED>`
`02:54.30`	`heysparky`	`(didn't exist)`
`02:54.39`	`FrozenFirebat`	`so I have to redo my map (which was nearly finished)... because SC2 "Unable to Open Map" and it has nothing to do with a P14 bug... cause I don't have a P14... and I deleted everything off the map, Units, Triggers, Regions, Points, so either it's a bug with the terrain or with the data.`
`02:54.40`	`Seyon`	`i lold`
`02:54.51`	`Seyon`	`data`
`02:54.56`	`heysparky`	`oh no Firebat!`
`02:55.05`	`FrozenFirebat`	`it saddens and disheartens me`
`02:56.48`	`Seyon`	`im wondering...`
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`02:56.55`	`RoarMan`	`Hi`
`02:56.59`	`rrowland`	`Firebat`
`02:57.00`	`Seyon`	`HEY`
`02:57.05`	`RoarMan`	`Hi Skystriker!`
`02:57.07`	`RoarMan`	`And SilverSeraphim`
`02:57.08`	`heysparky`	`howdy Roarman`
`02:57.12`	`RoarMan`	`Hallo heysparky`
`02:57.17`	`Skystriker`	`Oh wow`
`02:57.19`	`Skystriker`	`Hai RoarMan`
`02:57.19`	`rrowland`	`I got the same error when I DLed a map off mapster`
`02:57.19`	`Skystriker`	`:)`
`02:57.26`	`RoarMan`	`<3 Grandpa`
`02:57.42`	`rrowland`	`I fixed it by going into "map info" and setting everything except the camera bounds to default value`
`02:57.49`	`rrowland`	`So try that before you start over`
`02:59.03`	`FrozenFirebat`	`wow rrowland, I want you to have mai babeez XD`
`02:59.19`	`rrowland`	`Worked? :)`
`02:59.20`	`FrozenFirebat`	`yep`
`02:59.25`	`rrowland`	`Nice`
`02:59.37`	`FrozenFirebat`	`and it makes absolutely no sense why it does`
`02:59.42`	`FrozenFirebat`	`how the hell did you figure that out?`
`02:59.53`	`rrowland`	`Look in your messages window`
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`02:59.56`	`rrowland`	`It should say something like`
`03:00.04`	`rrowland`	`"failed to open mapinit from ''" or something`
`03:00.22`	`rrowland`	`From when you opened the map`
`03:00.24`	`TheLaughingMan`	`Oh yea who was trying to figure out how to unload specific units in a Medivac?`
`03:00.33`	`FrozenFirebat`	`gosh.`
`03:00.38`	`FrozenFirebat`	`it pays to read`
`03:00.40`	`rrowland`	`lol`
`03:00.48`	`FrozenFirebat`	`I always ignore the msg box cause it spams me with crap all the time`
`03:00.52`	`rrowland`	`Me too`
`03:00.58`	`rrowland`	`I want to turn it off lol`
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`03:02.05`	`FrozenFirebat`	`now, if only the Map Editor didn't crash every few minutes.`
`03:02.33`	`rrowland`	`lol`
`03:03.29`	`Vindicator`	`is there a way to see a list of all "functions" in the editor?`
`03:04.20`	`AsaPhelps`	`I saw your tutorial laughing`
`03:04.44`	`AsaPhelps`	`Do you need a special plugin for war3 blps for gimp?`
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`03:09.14`	`Motive`	`Any opinions on good multiplayer maps?`
`03:10.43`	`TheLaughingMan`	`I didn't use blps`
`03:10.50`	`TheLaughingMan`	`I converted them to png first`
`03:12.25`	`AsaPhelps`	`Clever`
`03:13.09`	`AsaPhelps`	`Do you want to try my map motive? I'm still working on it though`
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`03:25.06`	`AsaPhelps`	`How do you take a screenshot of the minimap?`
`03:27.16`	`FrozenFirebat`	`what property governs the white "range" ring?`
`03:29.15`	`AsaPhelps`	`Been trying to figure that out myself`
`03:31.44`	`rrowland`	`Hah! I reduced this library size from 260kb to 40kb`
`03:32.05`	`pkol`	`asaphelps, what for?`
`03:32.14`	`rrowland`	`That's 1/8 of the available trigger space to 1/50`
`03:32.25`	`pkol`	`if you want to use it in your map, there's a generates minimap.tga image`
`03:32.39`	`pkol`	`then again, you could probally extract that too`
`03:32.50`	`pkol`	`is the limit really only 2mb? why?`
`03:33.03`	`pkol`	`blizz confuse me`
`03:33.27`	`rrowland`	`I dunno`
`03:33.37`	`rrowland`	`But it only counts the trigger xml sheet`
`03:33.47`	`rrowland`	`So if you convert all of your triggers to custom script`
`03:33.50`	`rrowland`	`You'll never hit the limit`
`03:33.55`	`pkol`	`heh`
`03:34.22`	`rrowland`	`Hence 260kb -> 40kb`
`03:34.41`	`rrowland`	`It's a relatively small library so it's pretty ridiculous that it takes 260k in the first place`
`03:35.18`	`rrowland`	`All it does is draw a leaderboard, update the leaderboard and sort the leaderboard`
`03:36.03`	`Vindicator`	`ur saying a library has a 2MB limit?`
`03:36.19`	`rrowland`	`No, a map has a 2mb limit`
`03:36.27`	`rrowland`	`And every trigger/library counts toward it`
`03:36.45`	`Vindicator`	`so blizzard said the limit on b.net is going to be 2MB!?`
`03:37.00`	`rrowland`	`The limit to even save your map in the editor is 2mb of triggers`
`03:37.16`	`Vindicator`	`ya, of triggers, not imported data`
`03:37.20`	`rrowland`	`Yes`
`03:37.47`	`rrowland`	`I didn't say anything about imported data`
`03:37.48`	`Vindicator`	`that's what i meant, total file size after everything including imported data`
`03:38.02`	`Vindicator`	`scared me there for a sec`
`03:38.16`	`rrowland`	`Libraries aren't really imported data, they're just little trigger packages you add to your own triggers`
`03:38.21`	`rrowland`	`And take up trigger space too`
`03:39.43`	`pkol`	`what is this sexy lib anyway rrowland?`
`03:40.19`	`rrowland`	`This one isn't very sexy`
`03:40.33`	`rrowland`	`It was my "See if I can make something into a lib" test`
`03:40.49`	`rrowland`	`But I have a bunch of other functions I plan on turning into libraries and adding as assets`
`03:41.00`	`rrowland`	`This one is just a custom leaderboard that tracks/sorts kills/deaths`
`03:41.44`	`FrozenFirebat`	`rrowland, have you figured out why sometimes trigger libraries have actions that forget their connection to variables when imported / exported?`
`03:42.24`	`rrowland`	`I think that has something to do with localization`
`03:42.34`	`rrowland`	`Does that happen to libraries too? I thought that only happened to maps`
`03:42.49`	`Galois-evariste`	`Motive -- Turret Defense is pretty good from what I hear`
`03:43.06`	`rrowland`	`Oh, it could also be`
`03:43.09`	`FrozenFirebat`	`I've written quite a few libraries so far... sorta components so people can plug them into other maps... All functions and variables are contained within the library`
`03:43.26`	`rrowland`	`Did you set a library ID?`
`03:43.33`	`FrozenFirebat`	`and a couple of them have gone out fine, but when imported, they'll read back as "No Value" for some variables in actions`
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`03:44.39`	`FrozenFirebat`	`hmm... I haven't tried setting a custom ID`
`03:45.06`	`rrowland`	`I think it's importand`
`03:45.08`	`rrowland`	`important*`
`03:45.51`	`FrozenFirebat`	`I'll give it a try and see how that turns out... I thought it would only be an issue if you tried to import multiple mods into a map...`
`03:46.07`	`FrozenFirebat`	`erm... not multiple mods, multiple libraries`
`03:46.09`	`rrowland`	`Well I think if you don't give it a shared ID`
`03:46.25`	`rrowland`	`It bases it on the order it's added`
`03:46.35`	`rrowland`	`And that could mess up references to it I guess`
`03:46.40`	`rrowland`	`I'm just theorycrafting, idk`
`03:47.17`	`FrozenFirebat`	`I'll toy with that feature a bit... and find out the full connection for shared IDs`
`03:47.59`	`FrozenFirebat`	`If that's all I need to do, that's great... sometimes it feels like i'm pissing in the wind by making these Libraries lol`
`03:48.39`	`xttocs`	`What are the required files in a SC2Map mpq?`
`03:48.52`	`xttocs`	`like, for example, while file contains map info such as author?`
`03:50.23`	`pkol`	`bah`
`03:50.23`	`pkol`	`i hate dialog`
`03:50.24`	`FrozenFirebat`	`no clue, but you could save the map with blank mapinfo and save it as components, then save a second copy with filled out map info, as components and see what file in there is larger than the original`
`03:50.24`	`FrozenFirebat`	`what do you hate about dialog, pkol... it seems so plug and play.`
`03:50.42`	`rrowland`	`I wish my library could have a longer alphanumberic name`
`03:50.53`	`rrowland`	`4 characters is small :(`
`03:50.55`	`rrowland`	`6 would be pro`
`03:51.01`	`pkol`	`its annoying to position everything`
`03:51.12`	`pkol`	`and now im trying to figure out how to link checkboxes properly`
`03:51.14`	`pkol`	`like radio buttons`
`03:51.17`	`pkol`	`and its annoying me`
`03:51.18`	`pkol`	`:P`
`03:51.26`	`rrowland`	`lol`
`03:51.28`	`FrozenFirebat`	`I think it's supposed to be random characters... so that nobody else will end up with it.`
`03:51.44`	`xttocs`	`What MPQ editor is the best right now?`
`03:51.52`	`Seyon`	`inb4 he picks L33T`
`03:52.58`	`FrozenFirebat`	`you should see my Account Login Triggers, Pkol... Made it so that keypresses can modify dialog box fields, and it checks banks for Username / Password combo`
`03:53.21`	`pkol`	`sounds sexy`
`03:53.40`	`FrozenFirebat`	`2 disappointing things with Banks tho... 1st is that Banks have to be preloaded... and that cannot be a variable... it has to be exactly as typed in.`
`03:54.22`	`FrozenFirebat`	`Second, which is related, means that I couldn't create a bank based on Account Name, because I would need to have the map know the name of the Account name before the map started`
`03:56.04`	`nicoli_s`	`xttocs: mpq editor`
`03:56.07`	`nicoli_s`	`just google it`
`03:56.09`	`FrozenFirebat`	`make it 3 things... Banks have to be open to read info from inside them... and you cannot close one after you opened it... (as there is a 80 variable limit per map for bank items)`
`03:59.18`	`nicoli_s`	`Sholdak: ever make any more progress on yer xml stuff?`
`03:59.40`	`TheLaughingMan`	`Fun!`
`04:10.24`	`TheLaughingMan`	`How do you make trigger libaries?`
`04:10.54`	`rrowland`	`Open the trigger browser and make triggers in there instead of in your map`
`04:10.56`	`rrowland`	`Basically`
`04:11.02`	`rrowland`	`Then export the folder as a library`
`04:11.20`	`TheLaughingMan`	`I am doing that but when I import it nothing is imported`
`04:11.48`	`rrowland`	`Hmm`
`04:18.07`	`nicoli_s`	`man feels good to be working on MWE again :)`
`04:18.22`	`rrowland`	`MWE?`
`04:18.35`	`TheLaughingMan`	`Dear god please release something better then GE`
`04:18.48`	`TheLaughingMan`	`though I have only 1 request`
`04:19.08`	`TheLaughingMan`	`Figure out how to use the button image type that is used by dialog buttons and how to customize it`
`04:19.43`	`rrowland`	`I have a request too, let me include galaxy scripts`
`04:20.05`	`TheLaughingMan`	`I somewhat figured it out but I can't figure out what the hell SC2 does to determine the base size of the button before it needs to be enlarged and where the individual components are located`
`04:20.14`	`rrowland`	`I hear you can already do it in GE but you have to re-add the include line every time you compile`
`04:20.33`	`TheLaughingMan`	`I just write custom scripts through triggers`
`04:20.35`	`TheLaughingMan`	`and functions`
`04:20.40`	`nicoli_s`	`rrowland: MWE is our 3rd party editor`
`04:20.44`	`nicoli_s`	`Zoxc: you about?`
`04:21.20`	`TheLaughingMan`	`I was able to rewrite the Debug Galaxy script along with the Math Galaxy script in trigger functions`
`04:21.44`	`TheLaughingMan`	`And it works 100%, and the other triggers can use them`
`04:21.50`	`nicoli_s`	`awesome`
`04:22.31`	`TheLaughingMan`	`I didn't have time to mess around with importing the galaxy scripts and manually editing it since I had to change myt riggers every 5 seconds`
`04:22.37`	`TheLaughingMan`	`So I remad them and they work`
`04:23.26`	`TheLaughingMan`	`Just note to others, don't use the custom script option in the Trigger Functions. Actually use Trigger Action Custom Script`
`04:23.43`	`Seyon`	`i took the concept behind a void rays attack and applied it to a zealot unit`
`04:24.05`	`Seyon`	`goes from 2 attacks to 3 attacks to 4 attacks per hit`
`04:24.23`	`Seyon`	`trying to make it climax with a AoE blade spin`
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`04:25.40`	`rrowland`	`Do I need to wait for approval before I can upload my lib file as an asset?`
`04:26.25`	`rrowland`	`Or do I actually have to connect to a repository through SVN?`
`04:28.30`	`rrowland`	`Nevermind`
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`04:29.47`	`Furyhunter`	`so, guys`
`04:29.52`	`Furyhunter`	`publishing patch tomorrow`
`04:29.54`	`Furyhunter`	`I'm calling it`
`04:30.35`	`rrowland`	`I'll bet you you're wrong`
`04:30.42`	`Furyhunter`	`well think about it`
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`04:30.47`	`Furyhunter`	`the recent note about patch 13`
`04:30.56`	`Furyhunter`	`means they've finalized it and are ready to distribute`
`04:31.06`	`Furyhunter`	`3.3.5 is on PTR and has been for about a week or so, maybe more`
`04:31.11`	`SevenSeven`	`How is everyone getting info on patches that aren't released yet?`
`04:31.37`	`Furyhunter`	`the 3.3.5 update for WoW adds Battle.net connectivity, but SC2 doesn't have this yet (to WoW anyway)`
`04:32.26`	`Furyhunter`	`anyways, I really think it's coming tomorrow to coincide with 3.3.5`
`04:33.09`	`nicoli_s`	`rrowland: i can approve it`
`04:33.49`	`Repo`	`New map: http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/final-disaster-starcraft2/. Final Disaster - The Tales of Qliphoth Mirage. flydaggar (Manager/Author). Approved by sanktanglia.`
`04:33.50`	`nicoli_s`	`approved`
`04:33.54`	`Repo`	`New asset: http://www.sc2mapster.com/assets/rr-leaderboard/. Leaderboard Library. rrowland (Manager/Author). Experimental. Approved by sanktanglia.`
`04:33.59`	`Repo`	`New map: http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/nitrous/. Nitrous. Aculem (Manager/Author). Approved by sanktanglia.`
`04:34.37`	`rrowland`	`ty`
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`04:36.52`	`nicoli_s`	`np`
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`04:40.29`	`ShadowTiger`	`Is there any concept ofr minimum move speed in SC2?`
`04:41.56`	`heysparky`	`lower the speed until you find it`
`04:41.58`	`heysparky`	`I think there is`
`04:42.16`	`ShadowTiger`	`in war 3 you can say... this unit can never go below X speed`
`04:42.25`	`ShadowTiger`	`but in SC2 there is no field for units or movers`
`04:42.30`	`heysparky`	`oh`
`04:42.40`	`pkol`	`well`
`04:42.41`	`heysparky`	`I thought oyu were asking if there WAS a min`
`04:42.46`	`pkol`	`acceleration?`
`04:42.47`	`pkol`	`like`
`04:43.06`	`ShadowTiger`	`im using it for slow effects`
`04:43.11`	`pkol`	`you can't go slower than your acceleration'`
`04:43.14`	`ShadowTiger`	`I want certain units to have resistance to slow`
`04:43.16`	`pkol`	`without not moving`
`04:43.20`	`pkol`	`ah`
`04:43.27`	`pkol`	`thats different`
`04:46.24`	`ShadowTiger`	`okay`
`04:46.34`	`ShadowTiger`	`so you can set minimum move speed with behaviors`
`04:49.23`	`rrowland`	`You can set a minimum move speed with movers too I tihnk`
`04:49.25`	`rrowland`	`think*`
`04:49.42`	`rrowland`	`Or is that only called when you issue a move command?`
`04:49.47`	`rrowland`	`There's a minimum speed value there`
`04:50.55`	`ShadowTiger`	`i think thats for missles only`
`04:51.04`	`ShadowTiger`	`Ground, Fly, and Colossus dont have that`
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`05:17.03`	`FrozenFirebat`	`Anybody up for playing a custom? I need a replay to have some gameplay footage from my map.`
`05:17.43`	`rrowland`	`Hmm, what kind of game is it? :P`
`05:18.03`	`FrozenFirebat`	`Diplomacy... if you ever played it for SC1`
`05:18.25`	`rrowland`	`I might have, but I played sc1 custom maps like 10 years ago`
`05:18.29`	`FrozenFirebat`	`it's a modified Melee sort... Different units, doing different things... and Economy is based of Control points rather than mining`
`05:18.47`	`heysparky`	`when I'm done with my takehome test Firebat, I'll give it a whirl`
`05:18.47`	`rrowland`	`I can give it a shot I guess :P`
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`05:21.00`	`nicoli_s`	`sweet! our editor now correcly parses and checks for errors in all galaxy scripts used in a map, even reading out includes :)`
`05:21.07`	`FrozenFirebat`	`add Frozen.Firebat`
`05:21.37`	`rrowland`	`I don't need the map? lol`
`05:21.44`	`rrowland`	`nice nicoli`
`05:21.46`	`FrozenFirebat`	`updating my dropbox with the file`
`05:26.25`	`FrozenFirebat`	`dropbox isn't working for me right now =(`
`05:26.30`	`FrozenFirebat`	`so I uploaded it to mapster`
`05:26.30`	`rrowland`	`=/`
`05:26.32`	`FrozenFirebat`	`http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/diplomacy/files/1-map/`
`05:26.41`	`FrozenFirebat`	`think nicoli might need to approve it first tho`
`05:27.17`	`Dustin\|`	`How does diplomicay work?`
`05:27.56`	`FrozenFirebat`	`it's a modified melee... Different tech tree, but income is based on control points... and each nation (map of europe) grants a different bonus`
`05:28.11`	`FrozenFirebat`	`so by controlling more nations, you collect bonus' to strengthen your army`
`05:29.31`	`rrowland`	`downloaded`
`05:30.11`	`FrozenFirebat`	`one sec, other player is patching.`
`05:32.20`	`*** join/#sc2mapster Arid (~43c5abed@gateway/web/freenode/x-qafdoldsihpnwuju)`
`05:32.23`	`Arid`	`Hello`
`05:32.27`	`Lyrrad`	`hello`
`05:32.31`	`Arid`	`Er. Can I have a key by anychance`
`05:32.34`	`Arid`	`or all they all gone?`
`05:33.03`	`Lyrrad`	`A beta key?`
`05:33.16`	`Arid`	`yea...main page`
`05:33.30`	`Arid`	`oh shit`
`05:33.33`	`Arid`	`wrong thin >>`
`05:33.36`	`Arid`	`miss read`
`05:33.59`	`FrozenFirebat`	`wtf... crash... that hasn't happened before`
`05:34.00`	`rrowland`	`I clicked on a building and my game crashed`
`05:34.30`	`Lyrrad`	`was the building set up in the data editor?`
`05:34.37`	`rrowland`	`Probably`
`05:34.39`	`rrowland`	`That's prob. the problem`
`05:34.50`	`rrowland`	`Data editor is balls`
`05:34.56`	`FrozenFirebat`	`I've played this many times before patch 12... only thing I've changed since then is reset map info to default`
`05:35.06`	`rrowland`	`:(`
`05:35.13`	`Lyrrad`	`Yeah, as a minion of evil the holy light of the data editor rejected you`
`05:35.19`	`FrozenFirebat`	`one sec, lemme see if I can figure it out...`
`05:36.08`	`rrowland`	`Hey even after like 16 hours of trying to get this stupid missile behavior into the data editor`
`05:36.11`	`rrowland`	`I'm still trying`
`05:36.13`	`rrowland`	`So bite me`
`05:36.54`	`Lyrrad`	`Sorry rrow, I just ate`
`05:37.12`	`Lyrrad`	`:-)`
`05:37.15`	`rrowland`	`lololololololololol!`
`05:38.12`	`FrozenFirebat`	`what nation did you pick rowland?`
`05:39.28`	`rrowland`	`I didn't get any prompts or anything`
`05:39.37`	`rrowland`	`Everything was fog of war to me`
`05:39.40`	`rrowland`	`And I was like... wtf`
`05:39.47`	`rrowland`	`And I saw someone else already picked`
`05:39.51`	`rrowland`	`So I clicked on an armory`
`05:39.53`	`rrowland`	`And then it crashed`
`05:40.10`	`Azu`	`someone forgot to set your player as "player"`
`05:40.50`	`FrozenFirebat`	`Actually that's what I'm thinking it is as well... I never HAD to set it before patch 12... but i'm thinking so now.`
`05:41.22`	`rrowland`	`I actually need to AFK for a while =x If you're still in need of a tester when I get back I'll test with you`
`05:41.29`	`Azu`	`2 other people in this channel had the same problem`
`05:41.35`	`Azu`	`and that fixed it for them`
`05:42.12`	`FrozenFirebat`	`cool thx rowland`
`05:42.37`	`rrowland`	`Season finale of house btw`
`05:43.07`	`Lyrrad`	`I wonder if I remember to record it...`
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`05:49.40`	`Repo`	`New map: http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/diplomacy/. Diplomacy. FrozenFirebat (Manager/Author). Experimental. Approved by sixen.`
`05:49.45`	`Repo`	`New map: http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/vespene-dreams/. Vespene Dreams. Hegemuffin (Manager/Author). Experimental. Approved by sixen.`
`05:49.52`	`Repo`	`New asset: http://www.sc2mapster.com/assets/rr-leaderboard/. Leaderboard Library. rrowland (Manager/Author). Approved by sixen.`
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`06:02.55`	`rabbitx86`	`cool`
`06:02.58`	`rabbitx86`	`jibberish`
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`06:05.19`	`heysparky`	`what'd you call me?`
`06:05.43`	`Lyrrad`	`Evil Eye...sorry`
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`06:08.56`	`heysparky`	`that is almost offensive to look at...`
`06:09.06`	`heysparky`	`smearing down my client`
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`06:12.08`	`*** mode/#sc2mapster [+o ckknight] by ChanServ`
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`06:12.29`	`TheLaughingMan`	ÌÌÍ£ÌÌÌÌ½ÌÍÍ¡Ì¬Ì¯Ì²ÍÌÌÌÍÌ¬Ì¥ÌªÍcÌÍÍ¯ÍÌÍÌ¨Ì¨ÍÌ§ÍÍÍÌ¥Ì®Ì»Ì°Ì±ÌkÌÍ«Í£Ì¿Í¨ÍÍ§ÍÍÍÌÍ©ÌÌÌÌÍÌÍÌ¢Ì¸Í¡ÍÌ£Ì¯Ì£ÌÍÍÌÌ¼Ì©Ì¯ÌªÍkÍ¬ÌÌÍ§ÌÍÌÍÍÍ¦ÌÍ©Í ÍÌ¶ÌÌÍnÌÍ£ÍÍÍÍ¦ÌÍ§Í¤ÍªÍÌÌÍ¯Ì¿ÌÍÌÍ¦Ì¨Í¢ÌÍÌ»Ì Ì±Ì¯iÍÍÍ©ÍªÍ¤ÍÍÍÍ¯Ì¾ÍÍÌ¨Ì¶ÒÍÍÌ¯ÍÌ¤ÍÌ¼ÍÌ¦Ì¼ÌÌ Ì¯ÍÌ»Ì¯Ì±Ì¹gÌÍ§ÌÌÍ¨ÍÍ©ÌÍÌÍÍ¤ÍÌÍ¢Ì¸Ì¨ÍÍÌÍÌªÌ¹ÌÍÌÌ¦Ì»hÍÌÌÌ½ÌÍÌÌÍ§ÌÌÌÍ¯ÌÌ¢Ì´ÌºÌ¯ÌtÌÌÍÍ©ÌÌ¾ÍÌÌÌÌÍÍÍÍ¢ÍÌÌ«Ì«
`06:12.44`	`heysparky`	`corrupt`
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`06:12.46`	`*** mode/#sc2mapster [+o vjeux] by ChanServ`
`06:13.05`	`wtb-beta-key`	`hey!`
`06:13.28`	`TheLaughingMan`	HÌÌÍ£Ì¿ÌÌ½ÍÌÌÌÍÌÌÌ½ÍÌ´Ì§ÌµÍÌ³ÍÍÌÌ°ÌÍÌ ÍÌÌ²ÍÌ®ÍÌ¹Ì±Ì²OÍÌÌÍ¯ÌÍ¬Í®ÍªÍ§ÍÍÍÌ·ÌÍÌ£ÌÌ Ì¥ÌÌ¤WÍÌ½ÍÍÍÌÍ£Í©Ì¿Í®ÌÌÍÌÌÌÍÍÌÍÍÌ²ÌªÍÌÌ¦ÌÌÍÌ¯Ì ÌÌ£DÌÍ«Í®ÍÍ¥ÌÌÍÍ¥Í£Í¥ÌÍ©Ì¢ÍÌ´Ì¡Ì¥Ì®Ì®Ì¥ÍÍÌYÌÌÌÍ®Ì½ÌÌÍÌÍÌÍ¤ÌÌÍÍ ÌÍÍÌÌ¼Ì®Ì³ÍÍÌ£ÌÌÍÌ±ÌÌ¬ÍÍÌ Ì«!Ì¾ÍÌÌÌÍ¬Í¦ÍÌÌÌÍ¥Í¯ÍÍÌÌÍÌÌÌÌ¹Ì¦ÌÌ£ÌÌ²ÍÍ
`06:15.10`	`TheLaughingMan`	iÍ¯ÍÍªÍÍ Í Í Ì¶ÍÌÌ¥Ì¹ÍÌ¥Ì¥ ÌÌÌÌÍÌÌ¿ÌÍªÌÍÍÌ²ÌÌ©ÍÍÌ±ÍÍÌÌÌ«hÌÍÌÌÌÌÌÌÍÌ§ÍÌµÌÌ«ÍÌ¹aÌÍ¤Í®ÍÌ§Ì»ÌªÍÍvÌÍ¯ÌÍÌÍÌÍ¯ÍÍ¯ÌÌÌÌÌÍ©Ì·ÒÍÌ£Ì¦ÌÌ«Ì³Ì²ÍÌÌÍÌ¯ÌªÍÌ²Ì³ÍeÌÌÌ¿ÌÍ¥Í©Í¦ÌÍÍÍ¨ÍÍÍÍ¡Í¢Ì¹ÍÍÍÌÌÍÌºÍÌ¹ ÌÌ½Ì¿ÌÍ¦ÍÌÌÍÍÌ¹Ì¬Ì¼ÌÍÍÍÌ¹Ì¹ÍÌ£Ì£Ì»Ì£ÌºaÍ®ÍªÍÍ§ÌÌÍ£ÌÌÍÌÌÍ£ÌÍÌ´Ì´Ì¶ÌÍÌ¯Ì¦Ì ÌÌÌÌÍ®ÍÍ¬Í£ÍÍ¤ÍÍÍ¥ÌÍÍÌ¯ÌÌ©ÍÌÌ±Ì¹Ì«ÌÌ¯ÍÌªbÌÌÌÍÍ¢Ì´ÍÌºÍÌ¹Ì Ì¤ÌÌÌ±Ì¬Ì±ÌÌ
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`06:15.59`	`vjeux`	`seriously wtf TheLaughingMan?`
`06:16.34`	`TheLaughingMan`	`what?`
`06:16.41`	`Grum`	`less spam?`
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`06:22.52`	`ShadowTiger_`	`has anybody tried to make a unit witha doodad model?`
`06:24.18`	`heysparky`	`yes`
`06:24.25`	`heysparky`	`what's up?`
`06:24.30`	`ShadowTiger_`	`did you use model swap to set the variation?`
`06:24.41`	`heysparky`	`ah, just had one variation`
`06:24.48`	`heysparky`	`lava splash`
`06:25.23`	`heysparky`	`so, I didn't have to work that out`
`06:25.33`	`ShadowTiger_`	`okay thanks`
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`06:30.33`	`Lyrrad`	`Ugh`
`06:32.24`	`heysparky`	`:)`
`06:36.52`	`vjeux`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8B16eAS1dwA&feature=player_embedded`
`06:36.54`	`vjeux`	`lol`
`06:43.07`	`ShadowTiger`	`that would have been an awesome game 20 years ago`
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`06:48.26`	`pkol`	`almost have a working battlefield style class/spawn/capture system ready :D`
`06:48.34`	`pkol`	`just need to do the capturing part`
`06:48.35`	`pkol`	`:P`
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`07:01.03`	`FrozenFirebat`	`pkol... like control points?`
`07:02.30`	`Cronos`	`anyway to change me username on the site? Didnt realize it was curse and had a really old wow name i dont even have anymore lol ... got banned for a bad name:(`
`07:02.52`	`Cronos`	`well guess i could get a new free email lol`
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`07:10.14`	`pkol`	`yeah firebat`
`07:10.17`	`pkol`	`almost got them done`
`07:10.22`	`pkol`	`but i need to go out`
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`07:14.45`	`HeroicPrinny`	`Using the common techniques of creating "missiles" through Create Persistent effect in the data editor is there any way to limit how many missiles are allowed to be present on screen at any one time?`
`07:15.29`	`HeroicPrinny`	`i'm guessing it has something to do with validators...`
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`07:16.39`	`Lyrrad`	`Your having an issue with too many missiles?`
`07:19.41`	`vjeux`	`if you are hardcore: http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/final-disaster-starcraft2/`
`07:20.50`	`Lyrrad`	`is that someone's cinematic?`
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`07:24.53`	`Azu`	`I fucking naild that test!!`
`07:25.02`	`Azu`	`I think ><`
`07:25.22`	`Lyrrad`	`what test?`
`07:25.41`	`Azu`	`Computer StuffIt`
`07:25.49`	`Azu`	`Stuff******`
`07:26.52`	`Azu`	`About pata/sata CPU etc`
`07:26.52`	`natesd`	`um`
`07:26.57`	`natesd`	`i cant choose a unit`
`07:27.16`	`natesd`	`vjeux i cannot choose a unit with my drone`
`07:27.38`	`vjeux`	`restart the map`
`07:27.43`	`vjeux`	`i had this problem too`
`07:27.56`	`vjeux`	`anyway got to go`
`07:28.14`	`Azu`	`vjeux: Wheres My cookie? :(`
`07:30.21`	`Azu`	`Meh`
`07:30.24`	`Azu`	`Nice dodge`
`07:33.00`	`rrowland`	`FrozenFirebat did you get to make your demo?`
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`07:37.31`	`natesd`	`lol the beholders pwned my face`
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`09:18.06`	`rrowland`	`Shadow, on the persistent set location + to target point and turn on the random offset flag`
`09:18.09`	`heysparky`	`or is it Validator (disable)`
`09:18.14`	`ShadowTiger`	`you have to make your own validator`
`09:18.18`	`heysparky`	`oh`
`09:18.24`	`ShadowTiger`	`: D`
`09:18.24`	`Repo`	`New asset: http://www.sc2mapster.com/assets/sc2mapster-logo-corbos-way/. sc2mapster logo corbo's way. xcorbo (Manager/Author). Approved by sixen.`
`09:18.32`	`ShadowTiger`	`you can make a unit type validator`
`09:18.35`	`ShadowTiger`	`thats probably what you want`
`09:18.46`	`ShadowTiger`	`also be aware that validators work funky`
`09:19.03`	`ShadowTiger`	`like i am never sure if i should say "is supply depot" or "is not suppy depot"`
`09:19.08`	`ShadowTiger`	`so try both until one works`
`09:20.06`	`ShadowTiger`	`and you should make the behavior have a periodic effect that does a search, which applies a behavior to units in a radius`
`09:20.09`	`ShadowTiger`	`to make an aura`
`09:20.15`	`ShadowTiger`	`and you can put the validator in the search`
`09:20.18`	`ShadowTiger`	`instead of the behavior`
`09:21.07`	`heysparky`	`good grief`
`09:21.26`	`heysparky`	`I already made an aura on the debris object`
`09:21.35`	`rrowland`	`That's right`
`09:21.40`	`rrowland`	`For the way I was saying to do it`
`09:22.00`	`rrowland`	`The aura applies a behavior to surrounding units (the wall)`
`09:22.03`	`heysparky`	`wait wait... I have an aura on the wall (a moving line of damage comprised of many units)`
`09:22.42`	`rrowland`	`Aura should be on the rock`
`09:22.45`	`heysparky`	`can I put a behavior on the debris that can detect the wall's damage aura and nuke it? or does the nuking have to come from the wall object?`
`09:22.59`	`rrowland`	`Um`
`09:23.04`	`heysparky`	`well the wall needs its own damage aura to do its job`
`09:23.15`	`rrowland`	`Oh, well that's different`
`09:23.18`	`heysparky`	`yes`
`09:23.24`	`heysparky`	`I can't latch onto that somehow?`
`09:23.35`	`rrowland`	`I don't think so`
`09:23.44`	`heysparky`	`okay... well, I created an aura for the debris already`
`09:23.48`	`rrowland`	`Alright`
`09:24.02`	`heysparky`	`now I'm creating a behavior that has a validator that... ?`
`09:24.10`	`heysparky`	`and I need to also create a validator?`
`09:24.12`	`rrowland`	`The aura should apply basically a blank behavior to the wall`
`09:24.47`	`rrowland`	`And the behavior on the wall should have a validator that checks "this wall has (blank behavior name) behavior" == true`
`09:25.10`	`rrowland`	`So when it gets that aura and picks up the behavior, that flag turns true and it applies the behavior`
`09:25.16`	`rrowland`	`And the behavior is basically kill self`
`09:25.36`	`heysparky`	`I get it conceptually`
`09:25.48`	`heysparky`	`down in the data I'm looking at fields that I don't understand`
`09:25.59`	`heysparky`	`behavior is type...?`
`09:26.01`	`heysparky`	`buff?`
`09:26.25`	`rrowland`	`Yeah`
`09:27.45`	`heysparky`	`how do I detect the aura on the debris? where do I assign that?`
`09:28.39`	`rrowland`	`Make a blank behavior, and tell the aura to apply that behavior as its aura effect`
`09:31.02`	`ShadowTiger`	`lol your way of doing this aura is funny`
`09:31.22`	`heysparky`	`that's on the debris, yes?`
`09:31.26`	`heysparky`	`that was complete already`
`09:31.32`	`heysparky`	`is complete`
`09:31.38`	`Azu`	`:o`
`09:31.39`	`rrowland`	`Yeah`
`09:32.00`	`rrowland`	`So when the wall is close enough it should have that behavior enabled`
`09:32.16`	`rrowland`	`So your validator should check if that behavior is enabled on the wall`
`09:32.26`	`heysparky`	`...`
`09:32.30`	`heysparky`	`lost me again`
`09:32.40`	`heysparky`	`I'm getting confused because both wall and debris have auras`
`09:32.56`	`rrowland`	`Well forget about the wall aura cause that's your own seperate thing`
`09:33.13`	`heysparky`	`forgotten`
`09:33.18`	`heysparky`	`start over`
`09:33.22`	`rrowland`	`You have a blank behavior that you set with the wall's aura, right?`
`09:33.29`	`rrowland`	`er`
`09:33.30`	`rrowland`	`lol`
`09:33.31`	`heysparky`	`I don't know what you mean`
`09:33.33`	`rrowland`	`Now I'm confusing you`
`09:33.36`	`Sixen`	`Anyone know what the @ symbol does for directories in XML?`
`09:33.38`	`rrowland`	`The rock's aura*`
`09:34.08`	`heysparky`	`It's called KillWallAura`
`09:34.15`	`rrowland`	`Alright`
`09:35.02`	`rrowland`	`Okay my brain is about to explode, make it in triggers`
`09:35.05`	`rrowland`	`Data editor sucks`
`09:35.10`	`heysparky`	`:(`
`09:35.19`	`heysparky`	`I'm trying data because triggers don't work`
`09:35.20`	`heysparky`	`:)`
`09:35.28`	`rrowland`	`Triggers always work`
`09:35.31`	`rrowland`	`That's rule #1`
`09:35.43`	`heysparky`	`I can't attach the region to the debris`
`09:35.48`	`heysparky`	`it flat doesn't work`
`09:36.02`	`ShadowTiger`	`you can always do it my way : P`
`09:36.07`	`rrowland`	`Yeah do it his way`
`09:36.12`	`heysparky`	`lol`
`09:36.21`	`heysparky`	`all right`
`09:36.30`	`heysparky`	`I have two objects`
`09:36.31`	`heysparky`	`debris`
`09:36.33`	`heysparky`	`and a wall`
`09:36.41`	`heysparky`	`debris needs to kill the wall when the wall comes close`
`09:36.49`	`ShadowTiger`	`okay so debris has an aura`
`09:36.58`	`ShadowTiger`	`i mean a buff behavior`
`09:37.05`	`ShadowTiger`	`the behavior has a periodic effect`
`09:37.09`	`heysparky`	`It does`
`09:37.10`	`ShadowTiger`	`the periodic effect is a search`
`09:37.17`	`heysparky`	`yess and yes`
`09:37.20`	`ShadowTiger`	`the search has a validator for unit type wall`
`09:37.46`	`ShadowTiger`	`and the search effect is just a damage effect`
`09:37.55`	`ShadowTiger`	`you can make it do vital fraction 1`
`09:37.57`	`ShadowTiger`	`for instant kill`
`09:38.01`	`heysparky`	`hang on... so... I need one behavior of buff type`
`09:38.24`	`heysparky`	`and?`
`09:38.28`	`ShadowTiger`	`1 behavior, 1 search effect, 1 damage effect, 1 requirement`
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`09:38.51`	`Azu`	`http://i42.tinypic.com/731q4n.png nice hair (y)`
`09:39.16`	`ShadowTiger`	`o.O`
`09:39.56`	`ShadowTiger`	`sorry not a requirement a validator... lol`
`09:40.04`	`heysparky`	`I can't find damage effect... loooking`
`09:40.11`	`ShadowTiger`	`its what normal weapons use`
`09:40.27`	`ShadowTiger`	`marine - gauss rifle`
`09:40.28`	`ShadowTiger`	`etc`
`09:40.36`	`heysparky`	`mmhmm`
`09:40.39`	`ShadowTiger`	`instant effect`
`09:40.42`	`ShadowTiger`	`i think its called`
`09:40.42`	`heysparky`	`still looking`
`09:40.51`	`heysparky`	`it's an effect you say`
`09:40.54`	`heysparky`	`what type`
`09:41.14`	`heysparky`	`duh`
`09:41.16`	`heysparky`	`effect damage`
`09:41.26`	`ShadowTiger`	`: D`
`09:42.04`	`heysparky`	`what type for val?`
`09:42.07`	`heysparky`	`unit?`
`09:42.16`	`heysparky`	`unit type`
`09:42.18`	`heysparky`	`that's what you said`
`09:42.32`	`heysparky`	`okay all elements assembled`
`09:42.47`	`ShadowTiger`	`now just connect the dots`
`09:43.37`	`ShadowTiger`	`you should set the period for the behavior buff to somewhere between 0.5 and 1 depending on how quickly you want it to die`
`09:43.53`	`ShadowTiger`	`the reson you would make it higher is to reduce lag`
`09:46.05`	`heysparky`	`not sure what to put into the validator`
`09:47.18`	`ShadowTiger`	`so is the wall a unit?`
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`09:47.37`	`heysparky`	`yes`
`09:47.44`	`ShadowTiger`	`just copy the is corrupter validator or something like that and replace corruptor with wall`
`09:47.46`	`heysparky`	`I don't see whree I can select it`
`09:48.19`	`ShadowTiger`	`its a tab in the data editor`
`09:48.27`	`ShadowTiger`	`like actors effects weapons etc`
`09:49.30`	`heysparky`	`I didn't see corruptor advice`
`09:49.34`	`heysparky`	`doing that`
`09:50.30`	`heysparky`	`oh yes... of course a unit type validator is specified under VALUE`
`09:50.38`	`heysparky`	`not UNIT`
`09:50.40`	`heysparky`	`...`
`09:52.15`	`heysparky`	`cross your fingers`
`09:53.24`	`heysparky`	`hmmm`
`09:55.11`	`heysparky`	`cross fingers take2`
`09:55.55`	`heysparky`	`crap`
`09:56.04`	`heysparky`	`oh wait... duh`
`09:57.35`	`heysparky`	`cross fingers take3`
`09:58.24`	`heysparky`	`damnit`
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`09:59.53`	`heysparky`	`take4`
`10:01.04`	`heysparky`	`hmmm`
`10:01.07`	`heysparky`	`not working`
`10:01.07`	`Azu`	`woot?`
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`10:04.17`	`ShadowTiger`	`not working eh?`
`10:04.28`	`ShadowTiger`	`does your behavior show up on your debris?`
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`10:05.22`	`heysparky`	`no... though I might have hidden it`
`10:06.23`	`ShadowTiger`	`well unhide it`
`10:06.35`	`heysparky`	`trying to find that field lol`
`10:06.50`	`ShadowTiger`	`its a flag`
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`10:07.32`	`heysparky`	`no, not hidden, just not working`
`10:08.01`	`ShadowTiger`	`did you add the behavior to the unit?`
`10:08.06`	`ShadowTiger`	`in the unit editor?`
`10:08.31`	`heysparky`	`yup`
`10:09.11`	`heysparky`	`wait, I added ... I might have done that backwards`
`10:09.11`	`ShadowTiger`	`and its not showing up on the unit in game?`
`10:09.20`	`heysparky`	`who gets the buff?`
`10:09.26`	`ShadowTiger`	`the debris`
`10:09.35`	`heysparky`	`dang`
`10:09.45`	`heysparky`	`that's how I ahve it`
`10:09.56`	`ShadowTiger`	`do you want to send me your map?`
`10:10.07`	`heysparky`	`no I sorta wanna figure this out :)`
`10:10.24`	`ShadowTiger`	`okay`
`10:10.34`	`ShadowTiger`	`so your behavior has duration zero right?`
`10:10.51`	`Zaratulius`	`my map: http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/warrior/ video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82jkOC2pjO8 if anyone want to help in creating or play just PM me`
`10:10.56`	`ShadowTiger`	`and it doesnt have any validators right?`
`10:11.23`	`heysparky`	`wait...`
`10:12.00`	`heysparky`	`now I'm mixing up yours and rrowlands' methods`
`10:12.10`	`heysparky`	`did your method have the wall object doing anything?`
`10:12.26`	`heysparky`	`apart from existing`
`10:13.13`	`ShadowTiger`	`no`
`10:13.31`	`heysparky`	`okay, nuked that, was leftover`
`10:13.43`	`ShadowTiger`	`that should fix it`
`10:14.02`	`heysparky`	`okay... killwallbuff has a periodic effect of killwallsearch`
`10:14.16`	`heysparky`	`period is 0.6`
`10:14.31`	`heysparky`	`duration is not zero...`
`10:15.50`	`heysparky`	`yes!`
`10:15.52`	`heysparky`	`that did it`
`10:16.32`	`heysparky`	`sweet ty Shadowtiger`
`10:19.42`	`heysparky`	`gnight folks`
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`10:29.06`	`Azu`	`yo`
`10:29.27`	`Azu`	`anyone wanna play some td's?`
`10:29.53`	`rrowland`	`Any decent ones even out yet?`
`10:30.40`	`Azu`	`dno`
`10:31.05`	`ShadowTiger`	`mine isnt multiplayer... : (`
`10:31.17`	`Azu`	`yeah ;/`
`10:31.19`	`Azu`	`and us`
`10:31.28`	`Azu`	`i still havent managed to get a us account :<`
`10:31.57`	`rrowland`	`I've got us and eu but eu is laggy for me`
`10:32.07`	`Azu`	`hehe`
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`10:33.58`	`228zip	`I am back.`
`10:34.05`	`rrowland`	`wb`
`10:38.07`	`rrowland`	`haha I made an effect that makes a target follow you`
`10:39.20`	`Clord`	`I started to do final fantasy vii like battle system but funny part is that enemies refuse to attack with error ^^`
`10:44.30`	`Azu`	`lol`
`10:44.36`	`Azu`	`then its easy`
`10:44.37`	`Azu`	`!`
`10:45.06`	`Azu`	`http://i43.tinypic.com/6id15l.jpg loool`
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`11:19.35`	`Demonette`	`hey?`
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`11:23.17`	`Azu`	`nyaa?`
`11:23.18`	`Azu`	`im bored`
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`11:44.19`	`Clord`	`=)`
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`11:51.48`	`Nurre`	`Sup ppl?`
`11:52.37`	`Clord`	`lol`
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`11:57.02`	`Demonette`	`^^`
`11:57.46`	`Arthas-`	`morning!`
`12:02.21`	`Demonette`	`Good morning`
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`12:13.07`	`Azu`	`nice`
`12:13.09`	`Azu`	`its working :D`
`12:13.54`	`Arthas-`	`[XML] Inventory, items, powerups and more - Part 2 - Tumbling even further down the rabbit hole`
`12:14.02`	`Arthas-`	`It is time. :)`
`12:14.22`	`Azu`	`:O`
`12:15.38`	`Clord`	`http://forums.battle.net/thread.html?topicId=24915043569&sid=5010`
`12:15.43`	`Clord`	`we lose sound effects for menus`
`12:16.07`	`Clord`	`battle.net interface`
`12:16.24`	`Arthas-`	`:p`
`12:17.14`	`Clord`	`oh and this pretty much confirms patch 1.13 lol`
`12:18.52`	`Clord`	`if map publishing feature comes out today I'm busy playing sam and max season 3.. episode 2`
`12:18.53`	`Clord`	`lol`
`12:22.07`	`Clord`	`mid may.... technically 18 + 18 = 36`
`12:22.08`	`Clord`	`XD`
`12:22.15`	`Clord`	`mid may map publishing plans are bit late >_>`
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`12:24.19`	`Demonette`	`like giving away beta keys ^^`
`12:25.27`	`Clord`	`^^`
`12:25.39`	`Clord`	`blizzard must be confused of all this heat`
`12:25.45`	`Clord`	`they are giving surprisingly many beta keys away`
`12:25.52`	`Clord`	`blizzard games used to be really hard to get in to`
`12:26.00`	`Clord`	`during beta`
`12:27.01`	`Arthas-`	`actually`
`12:27.28`	`Arthas-`	`giving these keys away now is probably go get lots of pressure once the new upgrades are done after 4-5w maintenance`
`12:27.37`	`Arthas-`	`to see how that will stand against the retail launch`
`12:27.49`	`Clord`	`yeah`
`12:27.57`	`Clord`	`plus that there is actually people to join custom games`
`12:28.03`	`Clord`	`so thye can test publish effectively`
`12:28.03`	`Clord`	`lol`
`12:28.44`	`Demonette`	`will they release the feature to play custome games on battle.net within two weeks? ^^`
`12:28.58`	`Arthas-`	`wthin two weeks the beta is closed for quite some time`
`12:29.11`	`Demonette`	`I know`
`12:29.20`	`Clord`	`well they already talk from patch 1.13`
`12:29.23`	`Clord`	`like it is coming soon`
`12:29.31`	`Clord`	`and there was that talk about mid may map publishing`
`12:29.33`	`Clord`	`hmmm`
`12:29.38`	`Clord`	`some time ago somewhere`
`12:29.38`	`Arthas-`	`well`
`12:29.42`	`Arthas-`	`dont forget the upcoming reset`
`12:29.53`	`Clord`	`reset is useful espically if add features`
`12:29.54`	`Arthas-`	`if they keep their schedule like last two resets it will be this week`
`12:29.59`	`Arthas-`	`prolly wednesday or thursday`
`12:30.10`	`Arthas-`	`(ddont recall which they reset were announced)`
`12:30.26`	`Clord`	`it gonna be custom map week and no sleep!`
`12:30.28`	`Clord`	`yay¨`
`12:30.38`	`Demonette`	`Hmmm.... then maybe we got 1 and ahalf weeks to test onlinemaps =)`
`12:31.14`	`Clord`	`it is kinda torturing probably for some.. they find maps they like and then..... zap!`
`12:31.23`	`Clord`	`wait for few weeks for more`
`12:31.24`	`Clord`	`lol`
`12:31.29`	`Demonette`	`XD`
`12:32.19`	`Clord`	`I gotta finish my probe builder and hope races are not very bugged`
`12:32.26`	`Clord`	`fortress fight.. 3v3v3v3`
`12:32.29`	`Clord`	`aah`
`12:32.57`	`Clord`	`it looks funny when scv.. probe and queen launches nukes`
`12:34.08`	`Clord`	`in free roam mode builders are killable and then can pick new builder`
`12:34.11`	`Demonette`	`oO`
`12:34.11`	`Demonette`	`why not drones too?`
`12:34.13`	`Clord`	`comes with free nuke`
`12:34.40`	`Clord`	`queen makes cocoon with 10 energy.... cocoon is turned to drones etc`
`12:34.46`	`Clord`	`spawning pools too spawn cocoons`
`12:34.47`	`Clord`	`^^`
`12:35.06`	`Clord`	`then you just make that cocoon something...`
`12:35.32`	`Clord`	`all three builders has own gameplay mechanics`
`12:35.33`	`Clord`	`lol`
`12:36.03`	`Clord`	`or more like races`
`12:37.38`	`Demonette`	`Sounds cool`
`12:37.58`	`Clord`	`it is kinda next step of castle fight consept somewhat`
`12:40.14`	`Clord`	`I triggered units to use abilities in certain situations`
`12:40.21`	`Clord`	`so there is those research stuffs mostly still in`
`12:44.09`	`Demonette`	`Hmmm i'm not very in triggering... working more with data ;)`
`12:50.13`	`Clord`	`this is rather simple stuff like if target is heavy and unit has mana.. use graviton beam`
`12:50.16`	`Clord`	`mana/energy`
`12:50.17`	`Clord`	`lol`
`12:51.30`	`Clord`	`or like this`
`12:51.42`	`Clord`	`unit attacks stalker... stalker blinks to opposite direction`
`12:51.44`	`Clord`	`to safety`
`12:53.18`	`Demonette`	`AI?`
`12:53.22`	`Demonette`	`or what?`
`12:53.40`	`Clord`	`yeah when stalker gets damage.. assuming ability is researched`
`12:53.43`	`Clord`	`it blinks away`
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`12:57.37`	`Clord`	`some cases that logic truly backfires`
`12:57.46`	`Clord`	`like vs very long ranged units`
`12:59.31`	`Demonette`	`=) I don't know how to get a AI to work XD i have made only one with triggers... and it was only able to great drones and overlords in mass....`
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`13:00.05`	`Nurre`	`Is it possible to make a river with height diffrence?`
`13:00.17`	`Nurre`	`Like start hight and end low...`
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`13:02.03`	`Clord`	`I think that is their drawback how they implemented water`
`13:06.20`	`Clord`	`then again that how majority of games are`
`13:06.31`	`Clord`	`games ar even now coded that there is like one water height what is changed for map`
`13:06.48`	`Clord`	`it makes otherwise so realistic looking worlds bit flat ;)`
`13:06.50`	`Demonette`	`All in all i'm not very statisfied with some features =/`
`13:07.43`	`Clord`	`well blizzard has this thing that they have no rivals when it comes to bring good editors for community in RTS genre`
`13:07.47`	`Demonette`	`You can have water on different high levels... but you can let them flow into each other.. =/`
`13:07.54`	`Clord`	`yeah`
`13:08.08`	`Clord`	`you need use something like waterfall`
`13:08.11`	`Clord`	`like most games do`
`13:08.16`	`Clord`	`to fake it`
`13:08.25`	`Demonette`	`XD Yeah fake it`
`13:08.56`	`Nurre`	`Ok`
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`13:11.06`	`Clord`	`lava is one of my favorite "waters"`
`13:11.07`	`Clord`	`lol`
`13:11.24`	`Clord`	`nothing like industry like map`
`13:11.29`	`Nurre`	`Depends on the map tho`
`13:11.35`	`Clord`	`metal smelting facotires etc`
`13:11.41`	`Clord`	`factories...`
`13:11.56`	`Nurre`	`Ye but wont fit in a desert :S`
`13:12.00`	`Rugvip`	`so.. does any1 have any clue what markers do? :o`
`13:12.17`	`Nurre`	`Nope`
`13:12.20`	`Clord`	`actually it can fit to even desert... it is just matter of settings`
`13:12.33`	`Clord`	`there can be for example crack in ground somewhere`
`13:12.35`	`Nurre`	`Well not in my desert...`
`13:12.39`	`Clord`	`and planet is hot because tons of volcanic activity`
`13:12.40`	`Clord`	`XD`
`13:12.56`	`Nurre`	`:)`
`13:13.33`	`Nurre`	`Well im going back to my non-lava-desert now...`
`13:14.07`	`Demonette`	`Hmmm... i like swamps much more then vulcans ;)`
`13:19.25`	`Clord`	`hmm`
`13:19.46`	`Clord`	`espically in campaign like projects... it is up to mission what it has really XD`
`13:31.33`	`Repo`	`New asset: http://www.sc2mapster.com/assets/bit-flag-operations/. Bit Flag Operations. Thalassicus (Manager/Author). Approved by xhatix.`
`13:32.48`	`PoC`	`my win ratio is incrreasing, yay. heh`
`13:39.02`	`Azu`	`gj (y)`
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`13:42.47`	`PoC`	`red dead redemption hit today and I was told my xbox got the red ring last week`
`13:44.13`	`Clord`	`>_>`
`13:45.16`	`Hati`	`red ring = disabled right?`
`13:46.26`	`Beider`	`just finished a tutorial on unit spawning... ended up being one hour and six minutes long ;(`
`13:47.55`	`TheLaughingMan`	`RROD is the easiest thing to fix`
`13:48.16`	`Clord`	`well in sense you don't`
`13:48.27`	`Clord`	`you put it to warrancy and they fix it for you`
`13:48.34`	`Clord`	`unless you like really open it ^^`
`13:49.01`	`TheLaughingMan`	`Well my xbox doesn't get RROD but I added water cooling to my xbox`
`13:49.50`	`Clord`	`=)`
`13:50.23`	`Clord`	`it is too bad that improving something voids warranty`
`13:50.36`	`TheLaughingMan`	`Well my xbox was 3 years old`
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`13:51.05`	`TheLaughingMan`	`I had one of the original xbox 360's never had an issue with it`
`13:51.49`	`Beider`	`same here, got first generation xbox and it works just fine`
`13:52.37`	`Repo`	`New map: http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/pendoras-questname-will-changed/. Pendoras Quest(Name will changed). slaydon (Manager/Author), Kimphoe (Documenter). Approved by vjeux.`
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`14:03.35`	`Zaratulius`	`my new map http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/warrior/ it's realy nice 2 player map`
`14:03.45`	`Azu`	`:D`
`14:03.49`	`Azu`	`wanna play? :P`
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`14:08.25`	`Zaratulius`	`sure :D`
`14:08.35`	`Azu`	`:p`
`14:09.02`	`Zaratulius`	`just give me your bnet name :)`
`14:09.13`	`Azu`	`azu.nyan`
`14:10.26`	`TheLaughingMan`	BÌÍ©Í¬Í¦Ì¾ÍÌÌÌÌÌÌ¾ÍÌÌÌÍªÌ¢ÍÍÌ®ÍÌ»ÍÌ¬ÌºÍÌÌ©ÍÌ»Ì¤ÌÍÌ¯ÌÌ¦ÌrÍªÍ§ÍÍÌ¾Í¤ÌÌÍÍÌÌÍÌÌ·Ì¡ÌÌÍÌÌaÌÌÍÌÌ¢ÍÍÌÌÍÌ ÌÌ¼iÍÌÌ¾Í®Í§Í¦ÌÌÍ¦ÌÌÍÌÌ¨ÌÍÌ«Ì¤ÌÍÍÌÍÌÌ±Ì³Ì¬ÍÌ°Ì¯nÍ¥ÌÍÌÍÍÌÌÍÍÌÍ¢Í¢Ì°Ì¹ÍÌª Í«ÌÌÌÍ¬ÍÌÍÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÍ¬ÌÍ¯ÍÍÌ·Ì ÌÌ¤ÍÌÌÌ»Ì«Ì©Ì ÌÌ¼ÍÌ¼Ì¹Ì®Ì¥Ì¦Ì©BÍ§ÌÍÍÌÍ¡Í¢Ì¨Ì§Ì°ÍÌÌ»ÌÍÌ©ÌÌlÌÌÌÍÌÍÌ½ÌÍÍÍ«Í®ÌÍÌÌÌÍÍÌ«Ì«ÍÌÌ¯Ì¬Ì³Ì¯Ì Ì¦Ì¼eÍÌÌÍ¯ÍÌÌ¿ÌÍÍ£Í®Í§Ì
`14:11.35`	`Shenlok`	`cool story bro`
`14:13.26`	`Seyon`	`anyone know where to find people to play custom maps?`
`14:13.31`	`Seyon`	`i want to try this DNA wars`
`14:17.58`	`Zaratulius`	`azu shit i got some stupid error :/`
`14:18.01`	`Zaratulius`	`and game crashed`
`14:18.02`	`Azu`	`Zaratulius rmk, mapcraft fuckedup for me, gonna have to use the other program`
`14:18.10`	`Zaratulius`	`wait a sec`
`14:18.21`	`Zaratulius`	`i need to upload map again :P`
`14:18.26`	`Zaratulius`	`and turn of imba mode ;p`
`14:18.27`	`Azu`	`:P`
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`14:21.53`	`pkol`	`how would i count the number of units a player has in a region?`
`14:22.00`	`Shenlok`	`i use my fingers`
`14:22.03`	`Shenlok`	`but you might run out`
`14:22.05`	`pkol`	`:p`
`14:22.07`	`Shenlok`	`so dont forget toes`
`14:22.31`	`Zaratulius`	`k new map http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/warrior/ :)`
`14:22.42`	`Azu`	`kk`
`14:22.48`	`pkol`	`any ideas?`
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`14:27.34`	`Clord`	`there is that known unit count trigger`
`14:27.51`	`Clord`	`and if you set player etc same... it always know real number`
`14:27.52`	`Clord`	`=)`
`14:29.10`	`Clord`	`I used that stuff to make AI counter`
`14:29.12`	`Clord`	`stuff`
`14:29.25`	`Repo`	`New map: http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/top-down-fighters-z-labs-guss/. Top Down Fighters Z-Labs by Guss. Deralique (Manager/Author). Experimental. Approved by sanktanglia.`
`14:29.31`	`Clord`	`if there is more than 2x unit type than my wanted unit type to counter them.. train them`
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`14:46.41`	`pkol`	`that works clord, but i want to count them only in a specific region`
`14:46.43`	`pkol`	`:(`
`14:47.40`	`pkol`	`is is possible to add all units in a region to a unit group?`
`14:47.54`	`pkol`	`ah`
`14:48.02`	`pkol`	`lightbulb`
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`14:58.06`	`228zip	`Silence!`
`15:00.17`	`Demonette`	`i`
`15:01.32`	`228zip	`.`
`15:02.33`	`Max_Damage`	`,`
`15:03.46`	`228zip	`!`
`15:03.48`	`228zip	`Â§`
`15:06.54`	`Durrean`	`?`
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`15:10.43`	`Repo`	`New map: http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/marine-mania/. Marine Mania. Ouguiya (Manager/Author). Experimental. Approved by xhatix.`
`15:11.24`	`228zip	`Âµ`
`15:11.41`	`228zip	`I was actually wondering if they had Âµ on the keyboard, but they do.`
`15:12.19`	`kumorig_`	`ï£¿ this too!`
`15:12.39`	`228zip	`What the hell is this ?`
`15:12.45`	`kumorig_`	`ï£¿ï£¿ï£¿`
`15:12.49`	`228zip	`It's definitely not on my keyboardÂ²`
`15:13.04`	`kumorig_`	`aw`
`15:13.25`	`228zip	`Â¤`
`15:13.35`	`228zip	`What's that supposed to mean ?`
`15:15.24`	`Clord`	`MEH`
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`15:16.46`	`Azu`	`lol Zaratulius i have 5 heroes now :P`
`15:16.50`	`Zaratulius`	`lol`
`15:17.11`	`Zaratulius`	`i've made revive system today and it still can be little bugged`
`15:17.16`	`228zip	`I don't think so, Clord.`
`15:17.17`	`Azu`	`:p`
`15:17.35`	`228zip	`Is & on a qwerty keyboard ?`
`15:17.38`	`Zaratulius`	`and revive function is creazy :D`
`15:17.42`	`Hati`	`yea zip`
`15:17.47`	`Hati`	`shift+6`
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`15:19.29`	`228zip	`âº`
`15:19.35`	`Zaratulius`	`so Azu any feedback? :D`
`15:19.39`	`Azu`	`well`
`15:19.40`	`228zip	`â»`
`15:19.42`	`Azu`	`:p`
`15:19.44`	`Azu`	`cd on potions`
`15:19.44`	`228zip	`â¥`
`15:19.55`	`Azu`	`and`
`15:19.55`	`Azu`	`hm`
`15:20.13`	`Azu`	`4 pylons instead of 2 imo`
`15:20.32`	`kumorig`	`èè`
`15:20.42`	`*** part/#sc2mapster kumorig (~kumorig@host98-202.bornet.net)`
`15:21.17`	`228zip	`Steam is crashing`
`15:21.29`	`228zip	`I told him I wanted to uninstall the TorchLight editor`
`15:21.32`	`228zip	`And it's crashing`
`15:21.32`	`228zip	`=(`
`15:21.46`	`Clord`	`delete clientregistry.blob`
`15:21.50`	`Clord`	`so it can create it again`
`15:21.55`	`Clord`	`that is typical fix for almost all steam problems`
`15:21.56`	`Clord`	`XD`
`15:22.02`	`228zip	`x)`
`15:22.33`	`228zip	`There we go`
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`15:23.35`	`Clord`	`so let's see what crap youtube has to offer today`
`15:23.55`	`Zaratulius`	`i think i know what made my revive function item drop ;p`
`15:25.39`	`228zip	`Youtube barely has anything on my end`
`15:26.00`	`228zip	`mikelat not doing LPs anymore makes my suscription box desperately empty`
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`15:28.21`	`patriote`	`would anyone like to play templar arena with me?`
`15:28.29`	`Azu`	`if eu then sure`
`15:28.51`	`monoframe`	`Clord, the better slution would be to delete steam.dll`
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`15:29.27`	`AsaPhelps`	`How do you upload the minimap of your map?`
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`15:37.32`	`228zip	`AsaPhelps: There is an import minimap somewhere`
`15:37.37`	`Clord`	`rather not lol`
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`15:37.45`	`228zip	`Try messing around with various tab`
`15:38.30`	`228zip	`I hate all these programs who try to install extra shit on my computer`
`15:38.33`	`228zip	`Like tool bars`
`15:38.45`	`228zip	`Why do I have to uncheck all those boxes ?`
`15:38.56`	`xttocs`	`Hey davidcramer`
`15:39.01`	`xttocs`	`Where's your site's channel again?`
`15:41.03`	`228zip	`This channel`
`15:41.06`	`228zip	`is way too quiet`
`15:41.22`	`228zip	`Where are the people asking how to change a unit's model ?`
`15:41.52`	`monoframe`	`All of them left the building`
`15:42.03`	`228zip	`On another topic`
`15:42.20`	`228zip	`What do you think of the upcoming SC2Mapster look ?`
`15:42.27`	`monoframe`	`When they have realised that you can't create an awesome Blizzard-custom-like map in 1.5 day`
`15:42.36`	`228zip	`You used to`
`15:42.42`	`228zip	`be able to, in WC3`
`15:42.50`	`monoframe`	`I said "CUSTOM"`
`15:42.52`	`monoframe`	`No melee`
`15:42.58`	`228zip	`Well`
`15:42.59`	`monoframe`	`not*`
`15:43.11`	`228zip	`The simplest games were the best =p`
`15:43.13`	`228zip	`Like`
`15:43.19`	`228zip	`Hungy hungry felhound`
`15:43.29`	`228zip	`That was a great map`
`15:43.41`	`228zip	`Yet I doubt it took TheZizz more than a week`
`15:43.59`	`228zip	`From the moment he began the map to when he finished it`
`15:44.55`	`monoframe`	`Afterwards include a stripped version of it in Uther's Party`
`15:45.17`	`228zip	`it wasn't stripped`
`15:45.20`	`228zip	`It was the original`
`15:45.27`	`228zip	`the one with the voices and all`
`15:45.28`	`monoframe`	`ORLY`
`15:45.48`	`228zip	`Yes really`
`15:46.16`	`228zip	`You barely saw the original on b.net, only the one that raven-x-something guy did`
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`15:47.02`	`228zip	`the one with the voices and all wasn't the originam`
`15:49.50`	`Motive`	`I agree, 228zip. The simplest games always were the most fun.`
`15:49.55`	`Motive`	`Easy to pickup and difficult to master.`
`15:50.00`	`Motive`	`Uther Party had so much replay value.`
`15:50.55`	`228zip	`It had`
`15:50.59`	`monoframe`	`has* S:`
`15:51.13`	`228zip	`But Uther Party wasn't really a "simple" game`
`15:51.25`	`228zip	`More of a compilation of them =p`
`15:52.50`	`AsaPhelps`	`Its hammer time`
`15:53.56`	`monoframe`	`STOP`
`15:53.58`	`monoframe`	`HAMMERTIME`
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`16:02.15`	`Vailreth`	`damn amazon has SC2 COllectors edition for 300 bucks`
`16:02.51`	`nicoli_s`	`wtf?`
`16:03.39`	`Vailreth`	`i was checking out something and they have two copies for it for 300`
`16:03.49`	`Vailreth`	`each`
`16:06.29`	`monoframe`	`lol`
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`16:15.02`	`AsaPhelps`	`Is there a way to make it so missiles change targets if the one they were about to attack gets destroyed?`
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`16:16.45`	`ubdead`	`hello`
`16:17.14`	`ubdead`	`has anybody used an effect for a target for another effect`
`16:18.01`	`ubdead`	`so i would like to have this Instant Effect target the result of a search area effect`
`16:18.02`	`AsaPhelps`	`explain?`
`16:18.16`	`Beider`	`New Video Tutorial: Unit Spawning (Also containing some advanced triggers): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-LPwaqoKEyg (Video not yet processed for HD)`
`16:19.00`	`AsaPhelps`	`What do you mean Ubded`
`16:19.08`	`ubdead`	`there is a Effect field for the Target field of an effect`
`16:19.31`	`ubdead`	`so normally you would just put in "Target Point"`
`16:19.35`	`ubdead`	`or "Caster unit"`
`16:19.48`	`ubdead`	`but i want the target to be the result of an search effect`
`16:20.10`	`AsaPhelps`	`What are you trying to do`
`16:20.16`	`AsaPhelps`	`I don't quite follow you`
`16:20.32`	`ubdead`	`i have an ability, that always needs to target a certain unit on the map`
`16:21.15`	`ubdead`	`so when the user activates the ability, it should always target a specific unit`
`16:21.52`	`AsaPhelps`	`So like if you have a missile launcher, you always want it to shoot missiles at a specific unit?`
`16:21.59`	`ubdead`	`yes`
`16:22.27`	`AsaPhelps`	`you could make a validator thats a behavior or something I think and make it so it won't attack any unit without that behavior`
`16:22.33`	`AsaPhelps`	`or something like that`
`16:23.08`	`ubdead`	`mnn seems dirty but i might consider it if i cant find something else`
`16:23.20`	`AsaPhelps`	`Give it a behavior and make it so if it has that behavior it gets priority`
`16:23.49`	`AsaPhelps`	`Do you know how to make multiple units share health, preferably without triggers?`
`16:24.06`	`ubdead`	`yes`
`16:24.09`	`Shadowclaimer`	`bah dammit Blizzard beat me this time..`
`16:24.24`	`Shadowclaimer`	`I thought I had found a way to unlock the other tilesets`
`16:24.25`	`AsaPhelps`	`How ub?`
`16:24.44`	`ubdead`	`you should do a behavior, it has an "on unit damage" effect you could use`
`16:24.52`	`AsaPhelps`	`Interesting`
`16:26.06`	`ubdead`	`im not sure if you could give the effect an parameter on how much damage it should do on the other units`
`16:26.44`	`AsaPhelps`	`What kind of behavior, buff?`
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`16:27.05`	`AsaPhelps`	`Conjoined`
`16:27.08`	`AsaPhelps`	`that sounds tasty`
`16:28.07`	`ubdead`	`holy shit lol`
`16:28.17`	`ubdead`	`read the Radius field for Conjoined`
`16:28.24`	`ubdead`	`it's already a feature`
`16:28.48`	`ubdead`	`the tooltip for Radius field for Conjoined says "How close the units have to be to share health"`
`16:29.34`	`AsaPhelps`	`Whoa`
`16:29.50`	`AsaPhelps`	`Well that was a lot easier than I thought`
`16:30.02`	`AsaPhelps`	`I wonder how shared health works`
`16:30.10`	`AsaPhelps`	`If they both take 100 damage or split it to 50/50`
`16:30.33`	`AsaPhelps`	`I wonder what cost does in this instance`
`16:33.05`	`ubdead`	`it will trigger when the unit is applied the bahavior`
`16:33.08`	`ubdead`	`(i think)`
`16:34.02`	`Vailreth`	`hmm would it be possible to give a negative cost to a behavior that also has a negative hp regen?`
`16:34.58`	`AsaPhelps`	`What do you mean exactly vali?`
`16:35.24`	`Vailreth`	`what i mean would the effect give resources at the cost of health ...for a limited time sorta a reverse repair...`
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`16:35.53`	`ubdead`	`sure i guess it will work vailreth`
`16:36.05`	`AsaPhelps`	`Yeah I don't see why not`
`16:36.08`	`Vailreth`	`ill have to try it`
`16:36.33`	`Vailreth`	`just one more weird buff in my hugemod... hah`
`16:36.45`	`AsaPhelps`	`Can you attach behaviors to missiles?`
`16:37.14`	`ubdead`	`sure`
`16:37.17`	`AsaPhelps`	`That has to be done to thew eapon right?`
`16:37.22`	`ubdead`	`no to the unit`
`16:38.08`	`AsaPhelps`	`Well if I want missiles from the missile turret to kill anything within 100 units of it lets say`
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`16:38.14`	`Rugvip`	`try attaching a behavior that launches a new missile and kills the old one`
`16:38.16`	`Rugvip`	`funneh stuff :D`
`16:39.26`	`ubdead`	`asa, you could try adding a behavior that has a periodic "search area" effect`
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`16:39.55`	`ubdead`	`and the search area effect would trigger a kill effect for 100 units`
`16:40.09`	`DaRkBoZ`	`hello~~`
`16:40.39`	`AsaPhelps`	`But how would I attach that to the missile ubdead?`
`16:40.54`	`AsaPhelps`	`Wouldn't attaching it to the turret just make it so anything near the turret dies?`
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`16:41.21`	`AsaPhelps`	`IF I attach it to the weapon does that apply to its missiles?`
`16:41.32`	`Rugvip`	`the launch missile effect fires a unit`
`16:41.36`	`Rugvip`	`attach it to that unit`
`16:41.48`	`Rugvip`	`it's called "Ammo Unit" or smth like that`
`16:43.23`	`AsaPhelps`	`I see the weapon - MissileTurret`
`16:43.33`	`AsaPhelps`	`Which shoots Missile turret Attack Missile actors`
`16:44.19`	`AsaPhelps`	`I'll attach it to the weapon, seems like the only wa y`
`16:44.55`	`PoC`	`what would a thor look like the same scale as a marine, maybe a little larger?`
`16:45.17`	`DaRkBoZ`	`an scv maybe :p`
`16:45.23`	`PoC`	`hmmm`
`16:45.31`	`PoC`	`maybe the scv model would work`
`16:45.35`	`monoframe`	`mini-thor!`
`16:45.42`	`PoC`	`I want something like terminator armor (warhammer 40k)`
`16:46.06`	`monoframe`	`Just wait for SC2 to come out and quickly snatch thor pet model from wow over to Galaxy Editor`
`16:46.26`	`PoC`	`thor pet model?`
`16:46.31`	`monoframe`	`Well yeah`
`16:46.37`	`PoC`	`would it not be easier to just use the thor model scaled down?`
`16:46.43`	`Xan`	`why dont you just scale down the thor`
`16:46.43`	`Xan`	`:D`
`16:46.46`	`monoframe`	`Pollies wasted`
`16:46.55`	`monoframe`	`performance damaged`
`16:47.00`	`Xan`	`nah, will just be more detailed`
`16:47.04`	`monoframe`	`and lotsa other problems`
`16:47.21`	`Xan`	`its not like there is going to be 10 mini thors running around?`
`16:47.21`	`monoframe`	`In case he will be using shotload of mini thors`
`16:47.31`	`PoC`	`nah, 1 per player`
`16:47.43`	`AsaPhelps`	`Does sharing health count shields?`
`16:49.32`	`AsaPhelps`	`Answer is no`
`16:49.40`	`AsaPhelps`	`Wonder if you can make units share shields`
`16:49.50`	`PoC`	`is it normal to end beta like amonth before game release?`
`16:51.05`	`Xan`	`they can do whatever they want :p`
`16:51.06`	`AsaPhelps`	`Beta isn't over`
`16:51.10`	`AsaPhelps`	`But its not that unusual`
`16:51.23`	`Xan`	`they end it temporarily to get new server hardware`
`16:51.27`	`PoC`	`Xam. I'm well aware of what they can do`
`16:51.34`	`PoC`	`;)`
`16:51.40`	`Xan`	`but then they bring it back up`
`16:51.40`	`PoC`	`that makes sense though`
`16:51.57`	`PoC`	`I assumed I got my invite for the stress testing going on toward the end`
`16:52.03`	`AsaPhelps`	`They'll probably just add map publishing a couple weeks before release`
`16:52.59`	`PoC`	`surely there won't be any major changes with the editor though...I hope anyway`
`16:54.26`	`PoC`	`I'd hate to have to completely relearn all this stuff I haven't learned yet :P`
`16:54.32`	`DaRkBoZ`	`i don't think the games mechanics will change that much the game is pretty much finished`
`16:55.00`	`PoC`	`well, from what I heard through the rumor mill, games' pretty much done other than minor tweaking here and there, they are working on bnet`
`16:55.15`	`DaRkBoZ`	`yup i think so too`
`16:55.24`	`PoC`	`that would explain the map publishing system`
`16:55.29`	`DaRkBoZ`	`anyway any big games are nearly finished 2/3month before release`
`16:55.36`	`DaRkBoZ`	`SC2 would not be any different`
`16:55.39`	`AsaPhelps`	`They still need to nerf void rays`
`16:55.41`	`AsaPhelps`	`Cough`
`16:55.43`	`PoC`	`lol`
`16:55.46`	`DaRkBoZ`	`well that's balancing :)`
`16:55.54`	`PoC`	`half the games in history are done 2 updates after release ;)`
`16:55.57`	`DaRkBoZ`	`a lot of balancing need to be done`
`16:55.58`	`Motive`	`actually darkboz, they won't be done until the day of release :P`
`16:56.03`	`Motive`	`they're doing a release day patch`
`16:56.05`	`AsaPhelps`	`I wouldn't be surprised if cataclysm beta started June 1st or so`
`16:56.18`	`DaRkBoZ`	`well yeah but patch doesn't change game deeply`
`16:56.27`	`PoC`	`void rays overbalanced?`
`16:56.39`	`PoC`	`maybe I should use them more hehe`
`16:56.44`	`Xan`	`they'll probably balance a lot after release too (as they did in original sc and wc3)`
`16:56.52`	`AsaPhelps`	`They don't lose charges switching targets`
`16:56.58`	`DaRkBoZ`	`that's for sure xan`
`16:57.12`	`DaRkBoZ`	`you cannot balance as much with 50k beta player and 5m players ^^`
`16:57.27`	`Xan`	`I really wonder how much sc2 will sell`
`16:57.29`	`Xan`	`^^`
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`16:57.34`	`DaRkBoZ`	`omg lots & lots`
`16:57.42`	`PoC`	`they don't stop increasing weapon damage when switching targets?`
`16:57.46`	`DaRkBoZ`	`i bet with a friend 5m unit in the first month`
`16:57.47`	`Xan`	`who says non-mmo PC games are dead`
`16:57.47`	`Xan`	`:P`
`16:58.00`	`Xan`	`damn consoles`
`16:58.09`	`PoC`	`I think mmo is too strictly defined`
`16:58.15`	`DaRkBoZ`	`no there is a CD on void laser reset 1-2sec i think`
`16:58.19`	`PoC`	`I've seen nothing but a non-standard mmo in the SC2 beta`
`16:58.30`	`Xan`	`SC2 isnt an mmo`
`16:58.31`	`DaRkBoZ`	`if they focus anyting in the meantime the laser keep big`
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`16:58.43`	`PoC`	`it's massively played, it's multiplayer, and it's online`
`16:58.47`	`Xan`	`MMO = lots of players playing on the same server, at the same time`
`16:58.52`	`DaRkBoZ`	`as any other blizzard game SC2 will sell very well :)`
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`16:58.57`	`PoC`	`so what if EVERY interaction between players is instanced`
`16:59.02`	`PoC`	`your profile is what counts, right?`
`16:59.14`	`DaRkBoZ`	`can't wait for diablo 3 too`
`16:59.15`	`Xan`	`in that case counterstrike is an mmo too`
`16:59.19`	`Xan`	`or gears of war or whatever`
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`16:59.25`	`Xan`	`which they arent`
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`16:59.36`	`DaRkBoZ`	`well no MMO mean massively`
`16:59.37`	`PoC`	`I think mmo yes, mmorpg, no`
`16:59.45`	`DaRkBoZ`	`64 guys on the same map is not massive :)`
`16:59.52`	`DaRkBoZ`	`3/4k guys on the same server is )`
`16:59.56`	`Xan`	`mmo = lots of players playin in the same server/game`
`17:00.03`	`Xan`	`that can interact at the same itme`
`17:00.13`	`Xan`	`sc2 has max players of 12 in a game`
`17:00.19`	`DaRkBoZ`	`yup it's no mmo :)`
`17:00.22`	`Xan`	`WoW there can be more than 1000`
`17:00.28`	`PoC`	`but you can talk to your friends who are in other matches`
`17:00.34`	`Xan`	`well, you can do that in steam too`
`17:00.37`	`AsaPhelps`	`What property of forcefield makes them unclickable? I can't find the field`
`17:00.44`	`Xan`	`chat doesnt mean mmo`
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`17:01.03`	`DaRkBoZ`	`and an mmo cannot be played other than connected on a server SC2 or CSS can be played offline & solo too :)`
`17:01.26`	`PoC`	`true`
`17:01.32`	`PoC`	`I said the multiplayer beta`
`17:01.40`	`PoC`	`campaign's completely different story`
`17:01.42`	`Xan`	`its multiplayer, not massive multiplayer`
`17:01.45`	`Xan`	`so not mmo`
`17:01.46`	`Xan`	`:)`
`17:01.51`	`PoC`	`starcraft 2 over is not an mmo`
`17:01.51`	`Xan`	`max 12 players`
`17:01.53`	`DaRkBoZ`	`but i don't see FPS or STR like mmo even if they have online mode`
`17:02.17`	`DaRkBoZ`	`yup as i've stated above xan it's not massive :)`
`17:02.24`	`monoframe`	`It's not "MultiMassOnlineOnOneServer" now is it?`
`17:02.31`	`Xan`	`I think mmo is also persistant world`
`17:02.32`	`monoframe`	`So how come the FPS shooters are not MMO games?`
`17:02.43`	`PoC`	`okay, so warhammer online has half-dead servers, is it not a massivemo?`
`17:03.08`	`monoframe`	`What do you mean by "Half-dead"?`
`17:03.09`	`Xan`	`it is, because its possible for many players to be on the server at once`
`17:03.11`	`DaRkBoZ`	`well mmo as xan say mean you connect massively @ a online universe always growing when your aren't there`
`17:03.29`	`DaRkBoZ`	`fps & str aren't like that`
`17:03.39`	`PoC`	`there are MMOFPS's though`
`17:03.52`	`Xan`	`persistant world = WoW, starcraft = not persistant, since every time you start a game everything resets`
`17:03.59`	`monoframe`	`universe is not growing by itself, the developer adds on top; the only thing to grow is for the community`
`17:04.07`	`PoC`	`and some of them even work like starcraft 2 leauges and ladders`
`17:04.18`	`Xan`	`example of mmofps?`
`17:04.29`	`monoframe`	`Shadowrun?`
`17:04.33`	`monoframe`	`if i'm correct`
`17:04.34`	`monoframe`	`S:`
`17:04.37`	`DaRkBoZ`	`well there is some like tabula rasa ^^`
`17:04.39`	`PoC`	`no`
`17:04.43`	`DaRkBoZ`	`RIP :p`
`17:04.46`	`PoC`	`shadowrun sucked :P`
`17:04.49`	`Xan`	`tabula rasa is an RPG`
`17:04.52`	`monoframe`	`P:`
`17:05.00`	`PoC`	`planetside`
`17:05.09`	`Clord`	`tabula rasa was actually good but they obviously didn't put enough effort to marketing and performance optimizing`
`17:05.16`	`DaRkBoZ`	`yup i agree`
`17:05.18`	`Xan`	`planetside is still a massive server`
`17:05.24`	`PoC`	`I didn't say it wasn't`
`17:05.25`	`DaRkBoZ`	`lots of potential`
`17:05.28`	`Xan`	`where 1000 players can fight at the same time, right?`
`17:05.28`	`PoC`	`I said it was an mmofps`
`17:05.47`	`Xan`	`yeah but the point is that css or sc2 arent mmos`
`17:05.48`	`Xan`	`:P`
`17:05.59`	`DaRkBoZ`	`well i dunno any FPs you can battle 600vs600 on the same server`
`17:06.06`	`DaRkBoZ`	`so i cannot call that massive`
`17:06.19`	`DaRkBoZ`	`64 people battling cannot be called massive`
`17:06.23`	`PoC`	`you have to admit they are massively played multiplayer online games though, right?`
`17:06.39`	`Xan`	`starcraft 2? no`
`17:06.44`	`monoframe`	`....`
`17:06.50`	`Xan`	`just because many players play them doesn't mean they are mmos`
`17:06.56`	`Clord`	`MMO aka massive multiplayer online..... some has hard to think that it not itself is genre.... ;)`
`17:06.59`	`DaRkBoZ`	`yup i agree with that`
`17:07.03`	`PoC`	`I don't know the player limiv per server on planetside but it was an mmo`
`17:07.13`	`Xan`	`thousands per server`
`17:07.21`	`Xan`	`which means its an mmo`
`17:07.25`	`DaRkBoZ`	`massive multiplayer mean massively together on the same server / environnment for me`
`17:07.32`	`Xan`	`also persistant world`
`17:07.38`	`DaRkBoZ`	`and persistant environnement too`
`17:07.44`	`PoC`	`I know the definitions, I agree with everything you guys are saying`
`17:07.55`	`Clord`	`lol`
`17:08.00`	`DaRkBoZ`	`:)`
`17:08.01`	`PoC`	`I'm just saying that mmo, rather than mmorpg or mmofps should be broadened a bit`
`17:08.14`	`DaRkBoZ`	`mpfps if you want`
`17:08.20`	`Xan`	`there are MMORTS I think too`
`17:08.21`	`PoC`	`lol`
`17:08.21`	`DaRkBoZ`	`massively played :p`
`17:08.26`	`PoC`	`there are`
`17:08.34`	`monoframe`	`Somewhere in the initial phases of Stalker's developement, GSC Game World was thinking of actually making this game a MMOFPS`
`17:08.36`	`Clord`	`stronghold kingdoms.. I'm alpha testing it`
`17:08.41`	`Clord`	`it is MMORTS`
`17:08.42`	`Clord`	`lol`
`17:08.43`	`PoC`	`well, there was one I saw but it died`
`17:08.45`	`Magnevv`	`Anyone had issues with the launch attachment points for missiles? For me it usually doesn't work, then the next time I start my computer up, it's launching from the right spot without me doing anything`
`17:08.47`	`DaRkBoZ`	`well Ogames could be an MMORTS ^^`
`17:08.50`	`PoC`	`is it good clord?`
`17:09.03`	`Clord`	`yeah with mega factions and super houses`
`17:09.03`	`Clord`	`XD`
`17:09.12`	`DaRkBoZ`	`brb`
`17:09.30`	`PoC`	`what keeps one player from taking over, do they reset their persistant world?`
`17:09.35`	`Clord`	`one house typically likes to dominate entire county together`
`17:09.45`	`Clord`	`nah`
`17:09.50`	`Clord`	`there is village cap per player`
`17:09.54`	`Xan`	`mmo's typially has gamemasters who manages the world`
`17:09.58`	`Clord`	`for example prince can have ten villages`
`17:10.07`	`PoC`	`okay`
`17:10.17`	`PoC`	`everything AI when offline?`
`17:10.33`	`Clord`	`lol... it has actual battles like in stronghold games when they happen`
`17:10.40`	`Xan`	`its never offline`
`17:10.40`	`Xan`	`:P`
`17:10.41`	`Clord`	`but yeah there is some AI options when offline`
`17:10.51`	`Clord`	`when player is`
`17:10.59`	`Clord`	`but they suck in placing of army`
`17:11.00`	`Clord`	`^^`
`17:11.22`	`PoC`	`I meant player offline obviously`
`17:12.17`	`Clord`	`it is not that obvious.. MMORTS typically has automation when offline`
`17:12.43`	`Clord`	`oh and MMO with offline option? lol`
`17:12.49`	`Dustin\|`	`What would be cool is to have a Galaxy function to check the date`
`17:13.11`	`Dustin\|`	`then you could really do a persistant world esque map`
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`17:13.20`	`Aegis_Runestone`	`RAOR`
`17:13.27`	`Dustin\|`	`Sup`
`17:13.27`	`Aegis_Runestone`	`I R HUNGRY`
`17:13.45`	`Aegis_Runestone`	`eats the first person he sees.`
`17:14.11`	`DaRkBoZ`	`i'am unedible ^^`
`17:14.13`	`Aegis_Runestone`	`Silliness aside,`
`17:14.19`	`Vailreth`	`is not seen by Aegis_Runestone..`
`17:14.22`	`Aegis_Runestone`	`anyone here a good modeler.`
`17:14.26`	`Aegis_Runestone`	`*?`
`17:14.28`	`Vailreth`	`not i`
`17:14.36`	`Xan`	`define good`
`17:14.36`	`Xan`	`:P`
`17:14.55`	`Aegis_Runestone`	`Can you make an outline glow around a model's body?`
`17:14.57`	`DaRkBoZ`	`doing pyramid in 3DS = not good :)`
`17:15.31`	`AsaPhelps`	`Can behaviors change scale? I don't see that field in mod+`
`17:15.59`	`Xan`	`outline glow has to do with the shaders`
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`17:16.33`	`Aegis_Runestone`	`so... that means?`
`17:17.00`	`ubdead`	`yo ucan Aegis`
`17:17.07`	`ubdead`	`look into Actor events`
`17:17.45`	`Aegis_Runestone`	`But there's more to the custom model than the glow. >.>`
`17:17.49`	`Dustin`	`Ya you can apply those effects like cloak to all models I think`
`17:17.53`	`Aegis_Runestone`	`It requires animations.`
`17:18.03`	`Aegis_Runestone`	`Like arcing lightning when a spell is cast.`
`17:18.20`	`ubdead`	`look into events Aegis :)`
`17:18.39`	`Aegis_Runestone`	`Can it do flashing eyes, too? And a custom portrait?`
`17:18.57`	`Vailreth`	`AsaPhelps: you can change the scale with the unit events when a behavior becomes active`
`17:19.06`	`Vailreth`	`i mean the actor events`
`17:19.10`	`Aegis_Runestone`	`http://forums.sc2mapster.com/development/artist-tavern/1533-request-psionic-hydralisk-model-portrait/ <- this what I'm looking for.`
`17:20.08`	`Cr0n0s`	`Im a begginer at modeling .. sounds fun to make that for you but would take me way to long lol`
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`17:21.24`	`Aegis_Runestone`	`:(`
`17:21.28`	`Aegis_Runestone`	`Oh well.`
`17:21.42`	`Aegis_Runestone`	`I'm sure someone will reply and be able to give Kheldrun a cool model.`
`17:21.51`	`Aegis_Runestone`	`He needs one to look different from the other Hydras.`
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`17:22.07`	`Dustin`	`What is that for anyway?`
`17:22.25`	`Aegis_Runestone`	`Sequel camapaign to my SC1 campaign: "The Rising of the New Agent"`
`17:22.35`	`Dustin`	`Ah`
`17:22.47`	`seytanberk`	`I need starcraf2 beta key`
`17:22.56`	`Aegis_Runestone`	`Right now, I've been making the hero. He's practically done, except...`
`17:23.07`	`Aegis_Runestone`	`the model`
`17:23.10`	`Aegis_Runestone`	`>.>`
`17:23.17`	`Aegis_Runestone`	`And he needs a custom weapon model.`
`17:23.28`	`DaRkBoZ`	`well there is alot of model to choose from already no ? ^^`
`17:23.31`	`Aegis_Runestone`	`And custom icons (though I think I can do MOST of those.)`
`17:23.43`	`Vailreth`	`i need a cinematic portrait for my terran hero Jarek`
`17:23.50`	`Dustin`	`Just go download 3dsmax and read some tutorials`
`17:23.55`	`Aegis_Runestone`	`Well, I just want a glowing needle spine.`
`17:24.00`	`Aegis_Runestone`	`I can't.`
`17:24.10`	`Aegis_Runestone`	`It won't accept my school email.`
`17:24.12`	`Aegis_Runestone`	`:(`
`17:24.14`	`Dustin`	`What?`
`17:24.37`	`Dustin`	`http://thepiratebay.org/`
`17:24.39`	`Aegis_Runestone`	`Ya know, the free download thing if you have an email address?`
`17:24.43`	`Aegis_Runestone`	`Uh... no thanks`
`17:24.44`	`Vailreth`	`hah hah ahah haha hahah`
`17:24.47`	`Dustin`	`It's called the internet, learn how to use it.`
`17:24.55`	`Aegis_Runestone`	`I have.`
`17:25.00`	`Aegis_Runestone`	`And I don't like spyware.`
`17:25.05`	`Dustin`	`Lol spyware?`
`17:25.08`	`Dustin`	`You're doing it wrong.`
`17:25.09`	`Aegis_Runestone`	`Yup`
`17:25.17`	`Aegis_Runestone`	`You're doin' it wrong.`
`17:25.18`	`Aegis_Runestone`	`:P`
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`17:25.37`	`Dustin`	`I'm not the one who can't 3D model :P`
`17:25.48`	`Aegis_Runestone`	`so?`
`17:25.56`	`Dustin`	`So apparently I'm not doing it wrong.`
`17:26.02`	`Vailreth`	`i can 3d model in BLENDER`
`17:26.14`	`Aegis_Runestone`	`Can Blender use .m3?`
`17:26.23`	`Vailreth`	`not yet but maybe soon`
`17:26.29`	`Aegis_Runestone`	`Hmm...`
`17:26.41`	`Aegis_Runestone`	`I'll still wait on the request, anyway.`
`17:26.47`	`Vailreth`	`nod.`
`17:27.07`	`Aegis_Runestone`	`Also, I'm looking at the Archon, and I can't find an event that causes the glow.`
`17:27.35`	`DaRkBoZ`	`it's part of the model i think`
`17:27.45`	`Aegis_Runestone`	`oh thanks`
`17:27.56`	`Aegis_Runestone`	`"Look in the Actor events" they say`
`17:28.05`	`Aegis_Runestone`	`"See the world!" they said.`
`17:29.20`	`monoframe`	`durrhurr`
`17:29.24`	`Aegis_Runestone`	`Sarcasm level at: 75%`
`17:29.46`	`Aegis_Runestone`	`:P`
`17:29.51`	`DaRkBoZ`	`:)`
`17:29.52`	`monoframe`	`WE ARE EXCEEDINGLY CLOSE TO COLAPSE`
`17:29.58`	`DaRkBoZ`	`ono`
`17:30.00`	`monoframe`	`GORDON, DO SOMETHING! WE MUST GET OUT OF HERE!`
`17:30.08`	`Aegis_Runestone`	`ALL YOUR BASE ARE BELONG TO US`
`17:30.30`	`DaRkBoZ`	`msg for future generations : don't do drugs`
`17:30.35`	`DaRkBoZ`	`look @ these people Oo`
`17:30.42`	`DaRkBoZ`	`:)`
`17:30.47`	`Aegis_Runestone`	`I actually don't do drugs. :D`
`17:30.50`	`PoC`	`I hope they add irc style chat to batttlenet`
`17:30.52`	`DaRkBoZ`	`LIES !`
`17:31.01`	`AsaPhelps`	`So I want to make it so when a unit takes damage, it gets smaller. I don't see a behavior for that so do I have to use triggers?`
`17:31.06`	`Aegis_Runestone`	`I'm just ... very, very, very, very, very, very, very, VERY Hyper.`
`17:31.19`	`vjeux`	`very?`
`17:31.23`	`Aegis_Runestone`	`Very`
`17:31.23`	`DaRkBoZ`	`^^`
`17:31.48`	`Aegis_Runestone`	`Anyway, what other units have outline glows?`
`17:31.58`	`Aegis_Runestone`	`that I can see that lowest settings? >.>`
`17:32.10`	`DaRkBoZ`	`look @ shadowTD asa last mothership waves shrink with damage maybe it'll help :)`
`17:32.15`	`Cr0n0s`	`zealots weapons glow dont they`
`17:32.17`	`PoC`	`is there a way to change the attack button to use a custom function rather than typical weapon damage vs opponent's armor/hp`
`17:33.17`	`Aegis_Runestone`	`Hmmm...`
`17:33.33`	`Aegis_Runestone`	`Don't see any in the Actor events for the Zealot's Actor, Cr0n0s. ;/`
`17:33.36`	`Aegis_Runestone`	`*:/`
`17:34.04`	`DaRkBoZ`	`it's part of the model i think aegis not something turned on/off`
`17:34.16`	`nicoli_s`	`vjeux: any luck?`
`17:34.16`	`Aegis_Runestone`	`Great`
`17:34.21`	`Cr0n0s`	`:( not sure i just got into modeling and never used the older map editors .. im noob on it all lol`
`17:34.28`	`vjeux`	`just went back from school, working on it now`
`17:34.57`	`nicoli_s`	`awesome thx\`
`17:34.58`	`Aegis_Runestone`	`So umm... anyone here capable of doing my request? Please? You WILL be credited in the Test Map and the Campaign.`
`17:35.43`	`DaRkBoZ`	`any admin i could pm plz just something to ask and maybe give :)`
`17:36.40`	`Clord`	`you bribe them with CD keys?`
`17:36.41`	`Clord`	`XD`
`17:36.47`	`DaRkBoZ`	`maybe ^^`
`17:36.53`	`Zdupix`	`Aegis Runestone what u need?`
`17:37.05`	`Aegis_Runestone`	`http://forums.sc2mapster.com/development/artist-tavern/1533-request-psionic-hydralisk-model-portrait/`
`17:37.14`	`DaRkBoZ`	`i have some lying around and dynno what to do with them ^^`
`17:37.28`	`DaRkBoZ`	`was searching an useful solution`
`17:37.28`	`Aegis_Runestone`	`<PROTECTED>`
`17:37.28`	`Aegis_Runestone`	`[11:36am] <Clord> XD`
`17:37.41`	`Aegis_Runestone`	`I have two beta keys, but they are both tied to the accounts. :(`
`17:37.53`	`Aegis_Runestone`	`Sad day!`
`17:38.07`	`nicoli_s`	`Aegis_Runestone: you know you can download 3ds max trial for a month for free`
`17:38.19`	`DaRkBoZ`	`maybe i'll make a post on the forum to get some ideas i have four to give`
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`17:38.54`	`Aegis_Runestone`	`yeah... but I might take more than a month to learn it. X_X;`
`17:39.17`	`Azu`	`Aegis_Runestone torrent it`
`17:39.43`	`nicoli_s`	`Aegis_Runestone: its really not that bad`
`17:39.47`	`DaRkBoZ`	`you could use an another mail adress create a gmail account or else it's free & easy`
`17:40.03`	`Aegis_Runestone`	`Well, does it still support plugins?`
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`17:40.43`	`qwebirc86735`	`Free beta keys http://www.techno-flux.co.cc/free-starcraft-2-beta-keys-2/`
`17:40.45`	`Azu`	`http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/4870700/Autodesk.3ds.Max.2010.(32_64_bit).Full.DVD-XFORCE ?`
`17:40.52`	`qwebirc86735`	`Beta Keys ?`
`17:40.55`	`Azu`	`oh`
`17:40.57`	`Azu`	`btw`
`17:41.04`	`Azu`	`is it ok to link these things in this channel >_>?`
`17:41.13`	`AsaPhelps`	`darkboz what mothership?`
`17:41.15`	`Azu`	`if not, sorry i didnt know`
`17:41.18`	`AsaPhelps`	`Is it on one of the waves?`
`17:41.31`	`DaRkBoZ`	`yep last wave`
`17:41.40`	`nicoli_s`	`Azu: please refrain from posting warez`
`17:41.40`	`DaRkBoZ`	`wave 45 is 3 mothership`
`17:41.50`	`Azu`	`nicoli_s ok, sorry didnt know ;/`
`17:41.53`	`*** mode/#sc2mapster [+b !@gateway/web/freenode/x-elweugzxmnxvmpnn] by nicoli_s`
`17:42.06`	`*** kick/#sc2mapster [qwebirc86735!~nsinkule@69.73.16.202] by nicoli_s (get out)`
`17:42.11`	`DaRkBoZ`	`they shrink down when damaged`
`17:42.36`	`Azu`	`thought you was gonna ban me there for a sec (untill i noticed that it didnt affected me ><)`
`17:42.38`	`Azu`	`were gonna*`
`17:42.38`	`DaRkBoZ`	`:)`
`17:42.48`	`Azu`	`was?`
`17:42.50`	`DaRkBoZ`	`no he was banning the spam guys above :)`
`17:42.52`	`Azu`	`whatever`
`17:42.54`	`Azu`	`yeah`
`17:42.58`	`Azu`	`noticed that :P`
`17:43.04`	`Aegis_Runestone`	`nicoli_s: does the free trial still support plugins?`
`17:43.12`	`nicoli_s`	`Aegis_Runestone: yep\`
`17:43.12`	`Cr0n0s`	`that retard was spaming in nibbits channel also for free keys`
`17:43.19`	`nicoli_s`	`everything that the regular version supports`
`17:43.27`	`Aegis_Runestone`	`okay... I'll give it a shot.`
`17:43.36`	`DaRkBoZ`	`yeah trial version is only limited in time i think`
`17:43.51`	`Cr0n0s`	`30 days i think`
`17:43.58`	`Azu`	`wanna see some cool spam?`
`17:44.03`	`Azu`	`14»»7 µTorrent 14«»7 [75¦¦¦¦¦¦¦¦¦¦¦¦¦¦¦¦¦¦¦¦7] Autodesk.3ds.Max.2010.(32/64 bit).Full.DVD-XFORCE (3.31 GB) 14«»7 0% 14«»7 Down: 1 (1774) 14«»7 Up: 3.3 kB/s 14«»7 Peers/Seeds 9/n/a 14«»7 s 14«« 0.1 kB`
`17:44.05`	`DaRkBoZ`	`yup something like that`
`17:44.29`	`DaRkBoZ`	`give the ban bat @nicoli`
`17:44.59`	`DaRkBoZ`	`bat stick whatever ^^ cya azu :p`
`17:45.14`	`Azu`	`;_;?`
`17:45.30`	`DaRkBoZ`	`^^`
`17:46.05`	`Azu`	`oh`
`17:46.09`	`Azu`	`new flashforward ep!`
`17:46.25`	`Dustin`	`3ds max has an m3 exporter correct?`
`17:46.30`	`Vailreth`	`great i think i crashed the editor`
`17:46.32`	`nicoli_s`	`dustin: yes`
`17:46.34`	`DaRkBoZ`	`yes`
`17:46.38`	`nicoli_s`	`doesnt support everything yet tghough`
`17:47.01`	`Dustin`	`Nice, try to make some new projectiles for my map`
`17:47.07`	`Dustin`	`going to try*`
`17:47.12`	`Zdupix`	`azu wana play my map again? :)`
`17:47.16`	`nicoli_s`	`check out the stuff skizot did, he made alot of cool models for stuff`
`17:47.24`	`nicoli_s`	`mostly item models, but i bet they could be reused easily`
`17:48.00`	`Demonette`	`I thought animating wasn't supported until kow?`
`17:48.06`	`Dustin`	`Ya those are badass, would be fun to start making pieces of units so you could customize like each limb, chest and head with other units`
`17:48.17`	`Hati`	`Demonette: thats correct`
`17:48.21`	`*** join/#sc2mapster Zaratulius (~zaratul1@alphard.terminus.pl)`
`17:48.22`	`Hati`	`you cannot do m3a files yet`
`17:48.22`	`Aegis_Runestone`	`Terratron style.`
`17:48.32`	`Zaratulius`	`azu wana play my map again?`
`17:48.37`	`Dustin`	`So you could have a paid of marine legs, maurader chest, reaper arms and ghost head units walking around`
`17:48.44`	`Azu`	`Zaratulius if you add attackmove!! >:3`
`17:48.44`	`Dustin`	`pair*`
`17:48.51`	`Demonette`	`I thought you will need animation support for modify a complet hydralisk model`
`17:49.02`	`Zaratulius`	`but there is atackmove.....`
`17:49.08`	`Hati`	`well you could do animations`
`17:49.14`	`Azu`	`patrol =! attackmove ;<`
`17:49.17`	`Hati`	`but not the common & space free way`
`17:49.24`	`Aegis_Runestone`	`Crap`
`17:49.24`	`Hati`	`you would have to do stop-motion xD`
`17:50.14`	`Azu`	`Zaratulius sure lets play :P`
`17:50.32`	`Zaratulius`	`u will have to use patrol until next version ;p`
`17:50.39`	`Azu`	`ok :p`
`17:50.49`	`Zaratulius`	`http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/warrior/`
`17:51.39`	`Dustin`	`Actually`
`17:51.51`	`Dustin`	`Can you rotate a turret`
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`17:52.20`	`Azu`	`gah`
`17:52.28`	`Zaratulius`	`i'm waiting for u azu :)`
`17:52.37`	`Zaratulius`	`i hope revive will work good now`
`17:52.54`	`Azu`	`Zaratulius im not going to be able to see what anyone is writing, mirc fucked up again.. see you ingame`
`17:52.58`	`Dustin`	`I could Set my units up as legs and upper body, then make the legs face the direction you're walking and make the upper body point in the direction you're fireing...`
`17:53.00`	`Dustin`	`That'd be sick`
`17:53.51`	`AsaPhelps`	`Wow dark this td is so great`
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`17:57.46`	`hyarion`	`Arthas-: i'm free!`
`17:57.52`	`hyarion`	`wireless is the shit`
`17:57.52`	`Arthas-`	`hyarion?`
`17:57.59`	`Arthas-`	`so now you are taking a shit?`
`17:58.03`	`Arthas-`	`while chatting with us!?`
`17:58.03`	`Aegis_Runestone`	`So, no animations?`
`17:58.05`	`Arthas-`	`I LOVE TECHNOLOGY`
`17:58.14`	`hyarion`	`nope i'm sitting on the toilet though`
`17:58.15`	`hyarion`	`:D`
`17:58.19`	`Arthas-`	`^^`
`17:58.23`	`Aegis_Runestone`	`Foul`
`17:58.25`	`Aegis_Runestone`	`:P`
`17:58.27`	`hyarion`	`just for the lols`
`17:59.14`	`Aegis_Runestone`	`BRB`
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`18:06.14`	`Bifuu`	`150 bucks for blizzcon tickets? O.o`
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`18:08.39`	`nicoli_s`	`Zoxc: yo`
`18:09.12`	`Arthas-`	`nicoli_s where can one check skizots stuff`
`18:09.39`	`vjeux`	`skizot stuff?`
`18:09.47`	`nicoli_s`	`http://forums.sc2mapster.com/development/artist-tavern/963-m3-exporter/?page=3`
`18:10.23`	`Arthas-`	`ah`
`18:10.34`	`Arthas-`	`did anyone figure ui out yet?`
`18:10.40`	`Arthas-`	`or well i know some did`
`18:10.43`	`nicoli_s`	`yah people have made modified uis already`
`18:10.53`	`nicoli_s`	`and eventually well have support for it in MWE`
`18:10.57`	`Arthas-`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rV6XB8stB9s`
`18:10.58`	`Arthas-`	`that`
`18:11.10`	`Arthas-`	`did anyone write any info on how to do that`
`18:11.16`	`Arthas-`	`and is that possible with just editing the map file`
`18:11.19`	`vjeux`	`sexy`
`18:11.20`	`nicoli_s`	`yes`
`18:11.22`	`Arthas-`	`indeed`
`18:11.32`	`vjeux`	`is tbux skizot?`
`18:11.36`	`Arthas-`	`no`
`18:11.37`	`vjeux`	`tdubx`
`18:12.42`	`vjeux`	`oh that's the guy that made chocolate ring :`
`18:12.43`	`vjeux`	`)`
`18:12.54`	`Arthas-`	`yeah`
`18:13.26`	`*** part/#sc2mapster MaxMode (~Adium@ResNet-42-184.resnet.ucsb.edu)`
`18:13.28`	`Arthas-`	`one of the few entries i saw playing w lightning`
`18:13.31`	`*** join/#sc2mapster MaxMode (~Adium@ResNet-42-184.resnet.ucsb.edu)`
`18:13.40`	`Arthas-`	`but then my last check was days ago`
`18:14.10`	`vjeux`	`i really like the mac entry`
`18:14.20`	`Vailreth`	`YES!!`
`18:14.24`	`Vailreth`	`shrink worls`
`18:14.26`	`Vailreth`	`works`
`18:14.46`	`Arthas-`	`mac entry?`
`18:14.46`	`vjeux`	`gg`
`18:15.32`	`Arthas-`	`youtube is slow for me now :(`
`18:15.48`	`vjeux`	`http://forums.sc2mapster.com/development/project-brainstorming/1732-contest-cut-scene/?post=86`
`18:15.53`	`Arthas-`	`ya found it :)`
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`18:19.33`	`GardenOfAiuyr`	`so you guys think 3v3 4v4 in phase 2 or will we see it before phase 1 ends?`
`18:19.48`	`Arthas-`	`i suspect tjhe following`
`18:20.01`	`Demonette`	`only in the finished game ^^`
`18:20.04`	`Arthas-`	`map depot before maintenance`
`18:20.10`	`Arthas-`	`then phase 2, pretty much retail`
`18:20.30`	`Arthas-`	`ie, 3v3, 4v4 etc etc etc! :D`
`18:21.31`	`Aegis_Runestone`	`BTW: Demonette taught me something cool today: if you go to the list of icons, you right-click and choose "export" and it'll export it. I tested this with the models, it works the same way. I have all the Hydra models exported. I just wish we could work with animations on 3ds Max. :( Then, I'd think of doing my model on my own.`
`18:22.17`	`Arthas-`	`http://forums.sc2mapster.com/development/map-development/1833-editor-consume-too-much-memory/#p1`
`18:22.25`	`Magnevv`	`Hey, anyone know how I can create a beam between two units?`
`18:22.32`	`Aegis_Runestone`	`Editor does eat too much memory. X_X`
`18:22.42`	`Arthas-`	`bullshit`
`18:22.44`	`Arthas-`	`firefox eats more :p`
`18:22.50`	`Aegis_Runestone`	`Wrong`
`18:22.54`	`Aegis_Runestone`	`I have firefox`
`18:23.00`	`Arthas-`	`1.2 GB memory on firefox now`
`18:23.01`	`Aegis_Runestone`	`and it eats less on my compy.`
`18:23.14`	`Aegis_Runestone`	`155,900 k memory`
`18:23.18`	`Aegis_Runestone`	`for FireFox`
`18:23.21`	`Arthas-`	`editor normally runs 600 or so for me`
`18:23.27`	`Aegis_Runestone`	`You have something wrong with you, boy.`
`18:23.29`	`Aegis_Runestone`	`:P`
`18:24.04`	`Arthas-`	`300 memory now from the editor`
`18:24.20`	`Arthas-`	`ofc it will take memory just like sc2 does`
`18:24.30`	`Arthas-`	`when working on a map that is :p`
`18:24.36`	`Arthas-`	`Aegis_Runestone ya`
`18:24.40`	`Arthas-`	`i need to swapp browser`
`18:24.46`	`Arthas-`	`firefox cant handle my 50 tabs :(`
`18:24.52`	`hyarion`	`Arthas-: lol`
`18:24.56`	`Arthas-`	`bookmarks are sooooo 90`
`18:25.12`	`Arthas-`	`the thing is, the browser starts to hang`
`18:25.19`	`hyarion`	`Arthas-: use google chroem too then you can have 50 more tabs ;)`
`18:25.20`	`Arthas-`	`even if theres plenty of resources left`
`18:25.24`	`Arthas-`	`i refuse chrome`
`18:25.28`	`Arthas-`	`i already use their email`
`18:25.31`	`Arthas-`	`:\`
`18:25.34`	`Arthas-`	`i was thinking opera`
`18:25.40`	`Aegis_Runestone`	`[12:24pm] <Arthas-> firefox cant handle my 50 tabs :(`
`18:25.43`	`Aegis_Runestone`	`Okay, THAT explains it`
`18:25.46`	`Arthas-`	`:D`
`18:25.56`	`Aegis_Runestone`	`Why do you need FIFTY freakin' tabs???/`
`18:26.02`	`Arthas-`	`because I can`
`18:26.07`	`Arthas-`	`simple :)`
`18:26.17`	`Aegis_Runestone`	`And your computer says: "No, you can't!"`
`18:26.22`	`Arthas-`	`actually`
`18:26.23`	`Arthas-`	`my os does`
`18:26.27`	`Arthas-`	`works fine in linux`
`18:26.30`	`Arthas-`	`windows says fuck off`
`18:26.32`	`Arthas-`	`:(`
`18:26.55`	`Hati`	`Aegis_Runestone: pr0n`
`18:27.06`	`Arthas-`	`lets see here`
`18:27.45`	`Magnevv`	`Is your goal to have the entire internet tabbed?`
`18:28.00`	`Vailreth`	`NOOOO the editor Crashed right when every thing was working`
`18:28.04`	`Arthas-`	`utorrent with a shitload of torrents seeding (which results in my router crying due to the amount of connections), ftp, spotify, winamp (2.95!), miranda, truecrypt, firefox (50 tabs), starcraft2, editor, file manager, pdf`
`18:28.09`	`Arthas-`	`AV`
`18:28.12`	`Demonette`	`Then your pc must handle much much more then 50 tabs XD`
`18:28.21`	`Arthas-`	`works flawlessly`
`18:28.28`	`Arthas-`	`well, not the firefox part`
`18:28.30`	`Arthas-`	`but the rest`
`18:29.08`	`Arthas-`	`using 3.72 / 8gb memory and cpu is average 20-25%`
`18:29.20`	`Arthas-`	`+ 4 gb in my 2 gb swapfile`
`18:29.22`	`Arthas-`	`hmmmmmmmm`
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`18:30.42`	`Arthas-`	`btw, does anyone know of a good tool for cleaning up c:`
`18:30.44`	`Arthas-`	`win7`
`18:31.17`	`Cr0n0s`	`format c:/ :) hehe`
`18:31.41`	`Hati`	`clean up ?`
`18:31.41`	`Arthas-`	`1. "oh 2Gb its not enough in our hard times... bla bla"`
`18:31.46`	`Arthas-`	`im actually ready to go there`
`18:31.48`	`Hati`	`Del`
`18:31.50`	`Arthas-`	`2 gb is way to little today`
`18:32.05`	`Hati`	`or do random Del`
`18:32.09`	`Arthas-`	`but i assume skipping the loading of the terrain would help`
`18:32.26`	`Cr0n0s`	`someone told me ccCleaner i think thats the name .. i never used it tho .. I keep most of my junk files on other drives`
`18:33.10`	`Arthas-`	`turn of terrain, gain memory!`
`18:33.51`	`Hati`	`or buy mem`
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`18:34.11`	`Durrean`	`wow, so many comments in the beta key giveaway. Btw. do they still give the beta keys to the contest ones?`
`18:34.31`	`AsaPhelps`	`A lot of sites are probably dumping beta keys since it'll end so soon`
`18:34.40`	`Aegis_Runestone`	`Hey, for .dds files with gimp, what compression do you use?`
`18:34.47`	`LuxusElg`	`so, is there any way to make the AI ignore the fact that a path is blocked by buildings?`
`18:35.02`	`AsaPhelps`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s2tCRd-18GY&feature=player_embedded`
`18:35.07`	`AsaPhelps`	`That has which one to use`
`18:35.17`	`AsaPhelps`	`I could watch it and tell you but I linked it instead`
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`18:36.43`	`Arthas-`	`AsaPhelps did you get anyone to test the map with you?`
`18:37.34`	`AsaPhelps`	`Not really`
`18:37.51`	`AsaPhelps`	`I'm working on it anyway since its so bad`
`18:38.00`	`AsaPhelps`	`I'm trying to get units to link health`
`18:38.03`	`Vailreth`	`oh well it dosent work on structures sigh to bad...`
`18:38.24`	`AsaPhelps`	`But if I make an enemy unit and a ally unit have the share health behavior they both lose health`
`18:38.31`	`AsaPhelps`	`I'm trying to fix that`
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`18:38.57`	`AsaPhelps`	`Also I'm trying to figure out how to make units shrink when they take damage`
`18:39.17`	`AsaPhelps`	`Without triggers`
`18:40.09`	`ubdead`	`well asa`
`18:40.17`	`ubdead`	`you could use actor states for that`
`18:40.58`	`ubdead`	`the actor will have validators for it's state (for example >50% hp) and you could apply scaling on each state`
`18:43.03`	`AsaPhelps`	`Maybe`
`18:43.11`	`AsaPhelps`	`I don't know much about actors`
`18:43.23`	`AsaPhelps`	`I gotta go though thanks for that idea ubdead`
`18:43.42`	`Repo`	`New map: http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/final-conquest/. Final Conquest. Vophsix (Manager/Author). Approved by vjeux.`
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`18:50.13`	`Xan`	`how do I change doodads in the data editor?`
`18:51.25`	`Vailreth`	`how do you want to change them?`
`18:51.40`	`Xan`	`like change the model`
`18:52.07`	`Xan`	`or amount of models in a doodad set`
`18:52.27`	`Vailreth`	`ohhh i dont know that one,,,`
`18:52.38`	`LuxusElg`	`I have a custom building, and a custom unit that can build it. I set the construction time to 15 seconds in the data editor (the "time" field in info+ in the ability) however, when I build it ingame, it appears instantly with no construction time whatsoever.. what might be the cause of this?`
`18:52.39`	`Xan`	`:/`
`18:53.26`	`Clord`	`at least builder built units are instant even with build time`
`18:53.40`	`Clord`	`without some changing for actor or something`
`18:53.50`	`Vailreth`	`LuxusElg: does your custom building have a buildup animation?`
`18:54.00`	`LuxusElg`	`it might not`
`18:54.09`	`LuxusElg`	`or rather, not that i know of`
`18:54.11`	`ubdead`	`LuguxElg, i think you might be also missing an "link" field`
`18:54.25`	`LuxusElg`	`mkay?`
`18:54.34`	`ubdead`	`look for the link field`
`18:54.50`	`LuxusElg`	`in the ability, or the building?`
`18:54.56`	`ubdead`	`ability`
`18:55.31`	`LuxusElg`	`there's no "link" field :S`
`18:56.15`	`ubdead`	`are you using a "Build" type ability?`
`18:56.19`	`LuxusElg`	`yes`
`18:56.44`	`ubdead`	`well im looking at it right now, but as vailreth, it might be the lack of a building animation`
`18:56.59`	`ubdead`	`might also be an event thing`
`18:57.12`	`ubdead`	`the default to create the actor might be "unitBrith`
`18:57.16`	`ubdead`	`Birth*`
`18:57.26`	`ubdead`	`you might need to set UnitConstruction also on the actor`
`18:58.01`	`ubdead`	`try comparing the events for a building to your actors event`
`18:58.06`	`Magnevv`	`It figures that even in this game, actors are arrogant and impossible to work with <.<`
`18:58.17`	`Vailreth`	`hah`
`18:58.17`	`LuxusElg`	`^^`
`18:58.27`	`ubdead`	`lol magnevv`
`18:58.30`	`Vailreth`	`they arent so bad when you get used to them`
`18:58.43`	`ubdead`	`true, you just need to treat them right ;D`
`18:58.49`	`Magnevv`	`hahaha`
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`19:00.18`	`Vailreth`	`i dont know what to do now that i can shrink units`
`19:00.30`	`LuxusElg`	`well`
`19:00.38`	`LuxusElg`	`comparing it to the armory`
`19:00.42`	`Vailreth`	`i may need to exclude zerglings ....`
`19:00.45`	`Lyrrad`	`hello`
`19:00.47`	`LuxusElg`	`it looks pretty much the same`
`19:02.01`	`LuxusElg`	`in the unitBirth field the armory has 'Create ArmoryBuild' and my crate building has 'Create CrateBuild'`
`19:02.16`	`Legick`	`local anesthetic make mouth feel wierd`
`19:02.21`	`ubdead`	`did you define the CrateBuild actor?`
`19:02.23`	`LuxusElg`	`i don't know if this references an actor or model or something though, it seems to be entered in plain text`
`19:02.35`	`ubdead`	`yes it's an actorID`
`19:02.38`	`ubdead`	`you will need to create it`
`19:03.00`	`LuxusElg`	`a ha!`
`19:03.07`	`LuxusElg`	`now thats my problem, right there!`
`19:03.24`	`ubdead`	`well there might be some more bumps on the way ;)`
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`19:04.46`	`LuxusElg`	`hopefully not :D`
`19:09.16`	`Lextalionis`	`It's really odd that there's no trigger functions to damage units.`
`19:10.04`	`Lextalionis`	`Recreating the standard damage pipeline (armor, unit types, etc) is clunkier than modding data properties.`
`19:10.10`	`LuxusElg`	`oh, by the way, i found the link field now, ubdead.. what was i supposed to do with it?`
`19:10.37`	`ubdead`	`mnn don't bother`
`19:10.41`	`ubdead`	`i think it's the actor events`
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`19:13.36`	`LuxusElg`	`i found another deviation`
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`19:13.44`	`LuxusElg`	`the SCV build ability has two actore`
`19:13.48`	`LuxusElg`	`actors*`
`19:14.08`	`LuxusElg`	`Terran Construction and Engineer Construction (last one is a custom one)`
`19:14.23`	`ubdead`	`mnn well i dont know anything about that sorry`
`19:14.33`	`LuxusElg`	`my custom build ability was supposed to have the latter one, but instead has none, and i cannot figure out how to move it :S`
`19:15.11`	`LuxusElg`	`in fact, i can't figure out how any of the two are attributed to SCV Build`
`19:15.19`	`LuxusElg`	`how/why`
`19:17.13`	`LuxusElg`	`oh, there it is`
`19:17.16`	`LuxusElg`	`nvm`
`19:21.31`	`Galois-evariste`	`so Turret Defense is now matured`
`19:21.34`	`Galois-evariste`	`i need a new project`
`19:21.37`	`Galois-evariste`	`and inspiration`
`19:21.53`	`Galois-evariste`	`any chance someone can throw an idea at me on here`
`19:21.56`	`Galois-evariste`	`question mark`
`19:22.03`	`Arthas-`	`strip poker`
`19:22.13`	`Arthas-`	`and before you start whining on "give me a serious idea"`
`19:22.15`	`Arthas-`	`i am serious`
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`19:23.44`	`Galois-evariste`	`the strip maps from brood war were only possible because of a terrain program that made a map look like a .jpg`
`19:23.51`	`Galois-evariste`	`we don't have that here so i don't think its possible right now`
`19:24.00`	`Arthas-`	`you have the ability to put pics inside the maps`
`19:24.04`	`Arthas-`	`so its very possible`
`19:24.08`	`Triceron`	`you don't need to here`
`19:24.19`	`Galois-evariste`	`that is news to me`
`19:24.20`	`Triceron`	`hell you could swap a portrait out`
`19:24.23`	`Lextalionis`	`It would all be UI`
`19:24.40`	`Galois-evariste`	`i suppose but im not really inspired by the thought of putting pornography in there`
`19:24.48`	`Arthas-`	`then put something else in?`
`19:24.54`	`Galois-evariste`	`maybe a bound map. i wonder how those would work`
`19:25.07`	`Galois-evariste`	`i dont think anyone has done a bound yet`
`19:25.20`	`Lextalionis`	`Bound was practically porn.`
`19:25.20`	`Arthas-`	`well, thats just a feature of a map, not a map idea :p`
`19:25.25`	`Galois-evariste`	`no its not`
`19:25.32`	`Arthas-`	`you could try to do pacman`
`19:25.34`	`Arthas-`	`!`
`19:25.38`	`LuxusElg`	`argh, still won't play building animation :<`
`19:25.38`	`Galois-evariste`	`they already did that`
`19:26.00`	`Galois-evariste`	`pacman is already in the mapster thing`
`19:26.16`	`Arthas-`	`with the questions you posed yesterday, I think you should go for something easy that perhaps, someone else has done`
`19:26.24`	`Galois-evariste`	`my goal is to be good enough with the editor to make a sneaking map`
`19:26.27`	`Arthas-`	`and not go for something that advanced right away without guidelines`
`19:26.54`	`Galois-evariste`	`my questions yesterday were about a number rounding off to something it shouldn't have`
`19:27.20`	`Lextalionis`	`Clearly, my conception of Bound is not your conception of Bound. A WCIII map of some sort?`
`19:27.50`	`Galois-evariste`	`a bound is an obstacle course map`
`19:28.07`	`Galois-evariste`	`you see, i come from brood war`
`19:28.10`	`Galois-evariste`	`i am from starcraft`
`19:28.27`	`Triceron`	`I'm from Canada`
`19:28.27`	`Galois-evariste`	`we're in starcraft land`
`19:28.30`	`Galois-evariste`	`so use our lingo please`
`19:28.34`	`Arthas-`	`no`
`19:28.37`	`Arthas-`	`this is sc2 land`
`19:28.44`	`Arthas-`	`totally different from sc land when it comes to mapping`
`19:28.46`	`Lextalionis`	`MAybe I was in a different mindset. Bound is a lesbian remake of "Dial M For Murder" by the Wachowski Brothers.`
`19:28.48`	`Arthas-`	`so use sc2 mapping lingo! :D`
`19:28.48`	`Triceron`	`Madness?`
`19:28.51`	`Triceron`	`THIS`
`19:28.52`	`Triceron`	`IS`
`19:28.54`	`Triceron`	`STARCRAFT`
`19:29.01`	`Galois-evariste`	`children`
`19:29.33`	`Arthas-`	`ay`
`19:29.34`	`Arthas-`	`!`
`19:29.40`	`Lextalionis`	`Children with coffee in their sippy cups.`
`19:29.53`	`Arthas-`	`coffee boobs`
`19:29.54`	`Arthas-`	`hehehe`
`19:30.43`	`ubdead`	`has anybody ever used the "Iterate Transport" effect`
`19:30.47`	`ubdead`	`it doesnt seem to work`
`19:30.55`	`Arthas-`	`what is it supposed to do`
`19:30.58`	`Arthas-`	`and no, I have not`
`19:31.07`	`ubdead`	`go over all the units of the transport i guess`
`19:31.10`	`Lyrrad`	`I assume it is supposed to be some sort of unit ferrying`
`19:31.25`	`ubdead`	`atleast what the name implies`
`19:31.34`	`Arthas-`	`well, nope :)`
`19:31.47`	`Arthas-`	`Bifuu\|Work have fun mate!`
`19:33.30`	`LuxusElg`	`argh`
`19:33.32`	`Lyrrad`	`But looking at the effect I am not even sure where you would start`
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`19:33.50`	`Arthas-`	`hahahaha`
`19:34.00`	`Arthas-`	`the swedish pirate party is now hosting the webpage for TPB :p`
`19:34.07`	`Xan`	`wtf`
`19:34.12`	`Aegis_Runestone`	`AFK`
`19:34.19`	`Fisker`	`ooooooold`
`19:34.21`	`vjeux`	`lol`
`19:34.25`	`Arthas-`	`Fisker yes`
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`19:34.31`	`Arthas-`	`but i had to tell those who doesnt know`
`19:34.32`	`Arthas-`	`:p`
`19:34.46`	`ubdead`	`torrents = slowwwww`
`19:34.51`	`Arthas-`	`ubdead not really`
`19:34.53`	`Arthas-`	`stop whining`
`19:34.57`	`ubdead`	`and you have to upload`
`19:35.02`	`LuxusElg`	`apparently there were more bumps in the road.. the building animation still won't play! i have proper actors for the unitBirth events too now`
`19:35.04`	`Arthas-`	`I do`
`19:35.11`	`ubdead`	`and you give your IP to everybody`
`19:35.20`	`Arthas-`	`so?`
`19:35.33`	`Arthas-`	`the part you take the material from will always have the ip`
`19:35.36`	`Arthas-`	`if you go straight to them`
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`19:36.02`	`LuxusElg`	`i even tried adding the regular terran armory to the build ability, and it builds fine, although there is quite a delay from construction completes until the building actually pops out of the ground`
`19:36.04`	`Durrean`	`vjeux do the people who enter the cut scene contest still get a beta key?`
`19:36.06`	`ubdead`	`so if the RIAA or whatever wants to sue -> they have a list of 4mil IP's to sue`
`19:36.12`	`vjeux`	`sure`
`19:36.19`	`Arthas-`	`ubdead well`
`19:36.21`	`vjeux`	`it's written in the rules :p`
`19:36.28`	`Arthas-`	`first they need to request that information in time`
`19:36.49`	`Lextalionis`	`Where do I find the scope and index values for Catalog Field Get?`
`19:36.51`	`Arthas-`	`ie, file a coplaint in court 30 days within the time they got the ip`
`19:36.54`	`ubdead`	`yea just trying to make a point why your IP is important`
`19:37.00`	`Arthas-`	`then they need to collect evidence against me`
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`19:37.15`	`Arthas-`	`if either fails, they fail`
`19:37.23`	`ubdead`	`would still be better for them not having your IP at all :)`
`19:37.29`	`Arthas-`	`then id go darknet or vpn`
`19:37.46`	`ubdead`	`and watch your speed crumbple lol`
`19:37.49`	`Arthas-`	`or break a wlan`
`19:38.11`	`ubdead`	`well im just saying`
`19:38.22`	`ubdead`	`torrents are inferior to usenet`
`19:38.33`	`Arthas-`	`and you are saying no one has your ip if you use usenet?`
`19:38.43`	`ubdead`	`well it's not as open`
`19:38.45`	`Arthas-`	`what prohibits the maffia from going straight to usenet instead of you`
`19:38.52`	`Arthas-`	`nor is FTP`
`19:39.03`	`Arthas-`	`but that doesnt mean they cant get you if they want to. :p`
`19:39.11`	`Arthas-`	`so id much rather hide among the swarm of other ppl :)`
`19:39.27`	`ubdead`	`and get a collective lawsuit`
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`19:39.33`	`LuxusElg`	`hiding in plain sight`
`19:39.39`	`Arthas-`	`LuxusElg indeed`
`19:39.40`	`ubdead`	`doesnt exist`
`19:39.42`	`LuxusElg`	`always works`
`19:39.52`	`Arthas-`	`there is almost always a bigger fish`
`19:40.08`	`ubdead`	`sometimes they are after the smaller fish to set an example`
`19:40.29`	`Arthas-`	`they tried that in sweden`
`19:40.34`	`Arthas-`	`didnt get thaaat much out of it :p`
`19:40.43`	`Arthas-`	`well, except for the fact that they cant try it again`
`19:40.45`	`ubdead`	`im still waiting for the big "RIAA sue's 40.000 individuals"`
`19:40.57`	`Arthas-`	`they dont have the resources for that`
`19:41.11`	`Arthas-`	`unless your laws work in some weird way`
`19:41.15`	`ubdead`	`well the'll think of something`
`19:41.24`	`ubdead`	`like use every nations RIAA`
`19:41.28`	`Arthas-`	`that lets RIAA fiddle w the computers of the prposed criminals`
`19:41.43`	`Xan`	`whats RIAA?`
`19:41.43`	`Xan`	`:D`
`19:41.52`	`Xan`	`sounds retarded`
`19:42.26`	`ubdead`	`it's the copyright infrigment thing from America`
`19:42.26`	`Xan`	`oh`
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`19:43.39`	`LuxusElg`	`i cannot for the life of me figure out why this crate won't play a build animation`
`19:44.05`	`ubdead`	`because it doesnt have one :)?`
`19:44.11`	`rrowland`	`It's a doodad right? Doodads don't get built`
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`19:45.02`	`LuxusElg`	`it has one now!`
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`19:45.18`	`LuxusElg`	`i made an actor called CrateBuild, based on the missile turret build actor`
`19:45.28`	`ubdead`	`oh yea that should work`
`19:45.33`	`ubdead`	`did you remember to set the model?`
`19:45.40`	`LuxusElg`	`and made the Crate actor's unitBirth event reference i`
`19:45.41`	`LuxusElg`	`it`
`19:45.42`	`LuxusElg`	`yes`
`19:45.57`	`ubdead`	`use UnitConstruction :)`
`19:46.05`	`Ignorance`	`Is there any way to make non-array based data structures in galaxy? or will I have to 'cheat' it?`
`19:46.05`	`ubdead`	`instead of unitBirth`
`19:46.17`	`LuxusElg`	`hm`
`19:47.06`	`LuxusElg`	`yes`
`19:47.10`	`LuxusElg`	`right, i'm sorry`
`19:47.14`	`LuxusElg`	`the unitBirth field is blank`
`19:47.24`	`LuxusElg`	`im using unitConstruction.start`
`19:47.27`	`Ignorance`	`mmm I thought not.`
`19:47.55`	`LuxusElg`	`its pretty much identical to the supply depot event field`
`19:48.34`	`LuxusElg`	`except, ofcourse, it says create CrateBuild, not SupplyDepotBuild`
`19:48.42`	`Ignorance`	`I want to make a queue with no maximum size. :[`
`19:49.27`	`Ignorance`	`Though, I might have a way to do that with random unit from unit group.`
`19:49.28`	`Ignorance`	`hmm`
`19:49.47`	`LuxusElg`	`like a build queue?`
`19:49.53`	`Ignorance`	`Yeah.`
`19:50.05`	`LuxusElg`	`for building an infinite number of the same unit?`
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`19:50.17`	`Ignorance`	`I'd prefer it if it weren't units.`
`19:50.30`	`LuxusElg`	`oh, well`
`19:50.32`	`Ignorance`	`I want it to be data types that call units, spells, effects, etc.`
`19:50.41`	`LuxusElg`	`now you've lost me :D`
`19:51.08`	`Ignorance`	`I want to make a playing card game without actually bringing all the units into the game until I have to. :O`
`19:51.33`	`rrowland`	`uhhh create unit? lol`
`19:52.01`	`Ignorance`	`rrowland, if I use an array, I have no way of knowing whether slots are empty. :[`
`19:52.06`	`LuxusElg`	`give the player a custom UI with a random hand of cards, each associated with a unit type?`
`19:52.14`	`Ignorance`	`I need some way to store items/names/indeces/etc.`
`19:52.15`	`rrowland`	`Yeah you do`
`19:52.21`	`rrowland`	`if unit[] == no unit`
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`19:52.33`	`Helix_`	`Hey guys, what's up?`
`19:52.42`	`ubdead`	`not much`
`19:52.44`	`LuxusElg`	`i can't make a building play its build animation`
`19:52.46`	`Ignorance`	`I want it to pick up a random slot without going through dozens of empty ones.`
`19:52.46`	`LuxusElg`	`:<`
`19:52.47`	`Demonette`	`Hey you`
`19:53.06`	`Ignorance`	`oh`
`19:53.10`	`Demonette`	`Wasted deathland =)`
`19:53.10`	`Ignorance`	`I think I know how to do it.`
`19:53.18`	`Helix_`	`so does anyone else find working with the changeling/disguise as difficult as I do?`
`19:53.22`	`Demonette`	`i want what nobody his is able to do without triggers ^^`
`19:53.32`	`Ignorance`	`Remove the one at the end -> place it where the other one was.`
`19:53.43`	`Ignorance`	`Random from 0 - n -> grab a random index`
`19:54.10`	`rrowland`	`Yeah that would work`
`19:54.14`	`Demonette`	`What you wan't to do with your changeling?`
`19:54.39`	`Helix_`	`I want to be able to chose which units to disguise as`
`19:54.43`	`Ignorance`	`For a card deck, definitely. I think I'll put a maximum size of a hundred cards or something, though.`
`19:55.04`	`Helix_`	`I'd say 60 cards for a card deck to be a reasonable size`
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`19:55.13`	`Ignorance`	`yeah`
`19:55.14`	`Helix_`	`think magic the gathering and traditional playing cards`
`19:55.16`	`Aegis_Runestone`	`what the heck?`
`19:55.27`	`Ignorance`	`Helix_, in MTG, there's no deck size limit.`
`19:55.34`	`Aegis_Runestone`	`darn irc connection.`
`19:55.45`	`Ignorance`	`Though, I think because I'm going to have search cards, I might have to limit it for display reasons.`
`19:55.51`	`Helix_`	`there's a lower limit If I remember`
`19:55.57`	`Ignorance`	`60 cards is lower limit`
`19:56.04`	`Helix_`	`like 4th gen when I played it was a 60 card limit`
`19:56.26`	`Helix_`	`and then you have your 52 cards from traditional playing cards`
`19:56.34`	`Helix_`	`also, it depends on what game you're making anyway`
`19:56.43`	`Ignorance`	`I wish I could increase or decrease the array size, instead of just making it super gigantic.`
`19:56.52`	`Helix_`	`any more than 100 though would seem to me to be a bit much`
`19:57.25`	`Helix_`	`but yea, demonette, with my changeling, I want to be able to pick which unit I want to disguise as`
`19:57.45`	`Helix_`	`and I'm scratching my head at it`
`19:58.04`	`Helix_`	`still trying to figure out morphs in general, which is integral for the mod I'm working on`
`19:58.10`	`Galois-evariste`	`In my mind, if I wanted to do that I would try to add to the Changeling command card the effects/abilities/whatever is the actual change thing`
`19:58.26`	`Galois-evariste`	`i'd make a new ability and do the effect`
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`19:58.31`	`Galois-evariste`	`at least that is my first impression of what to do`
`19:58.33`	`Galois-evariste`	`if that helps`
`19:58.46`	`Ignorance`	`I wonder how I'll call down effects, though. I'm worried I'll have to make one big action that says if 1 do this, if 2 do this, ..., if 250, do this...`
`19:58.54`	`Ignorance`	`I might split it up, though. We'll see.`
`19:58.56`	`Galois-evariste`	`what's wrong with that?`
`20:00.33`	`Ignorance`	`Nothing. Just strange ways of going about this without maps, linked lists, ec.`
`20:00.34`	`Ignorance`	`etc.*`
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`20:00.59`	`DaRkBoZ`	`o7`
`20:02.59`	`Ignorance`	`Is there some way to make moving dialogs that don't spazz out?`
`20:03.19`	`rrowland`	`Um`
`20:03.31`	`rrowland`	`You can move it in increments`
`20:04.07`	`Ignorance`	`If I move it every 0.0165 seconds or whatever a very small amount, it goes crazy.`
`20:04.15`	`rrowland`	`Goes crazy?`
`20:04.23`	`Ignorance`	`shrinks and grows a little bit`
`20:04.28`	`Ignorance`	`it looks really bad`
`20:04.38`	`rrowland`	`That's weird`
`20:04.52`	`Ignorance`	`Ever try to move a dialog?`
`20:05.01`	`Ignorance`	`It seems like something people would want to do, you know...`
`20:05.04`	`rrowland`	`Not incrementally`
`20:05.17`	`rrowland`	`One of my dialogs moves wherever my user clicks`
`20:05.18`	`DaRkBoZ`	`you want to make a scrolling text like star wars opening ?`
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`20:05.35`	`Ignorance`	`Nope, I want cards in a poker game to move into the discard pile.`
`20:05.55`	`Helix_`	`Ignorance, I kinda want to do that myself`
`20:06.03`	`Holmen`	`Anyone from EU that wants a beta key? got a friend invite from 6th of may available`
`20:06.06`	`Helix_`	`have nameplates over units heads or something`
`20:06.10`	`Helix_`	`akin to WoW`
`20:06.21`	`Arthas-`	`Holmen thorsell?`
`20:06.27`	`Skizot`	`that's EASY`
`20:06.30`	`Holmen`	`thorsell?`
`20:06.33`	`Skizot`	`enemy units..`
`20:06.34`	`Arthas-`	`nvm then`
`20:06.36`	`Skizot`	`not so much.`
`20:06.36`	`Holmen`	`=)`
`20:06.38`	`Arthas-`	`welcome swedish brother`
`20:06.46`	`Arthas-`	`together we will overcome these non-swedes!`
`20:06.47`	`Helix_`	`skiz, is it?`
`20:06.54`	`Helix_`	`also, Skiz - you a Goon?`
`20:06.54`	`Holmen`	`Arthas- yea :D`
`20:07.06`	`ubdead`	`hey guys, any hints on changing animation speed?`
`20:07.33`	`Ignorance`	`ubdead, if a unit moves with a slower movespeed, its animation slows down too`
`20:07.40`	`Helix_`	`BTW, I found a bug`
`20:07.48`	`Vailreth`	`a bug tell us`
`20:07.53`	`ubdead`	`this is an actor only`
`20:07.58`	`ubdead`	`so no unit attached`
`20:08.01`	`Helix_`	`make your health minimum higher than your health Maximum and see what happens to the unit ;)`
`20:08.20`	`Skizot`	`i am protected!`
`20:08.32`	`Helix_`	`Skizot, are you a goon?`
`20:08.36`	`Skizot`	`......`
`20:08.37`	`Vailreth`	`what map protection?`
`20:08.46`	`Skizot`	`you must be a new goon.`
`20:08.57`	`Helix_`	`no as in are you in Goon Squad on MG?`
`20:09.05`	`Skizot`	`haha yeah i was`
`20:09.16`	`Helix_`	`<-Roil`
`20:09.28`	`Xan`	`Holmen, beta for my friend? :D`
`20:09.36`	`Skizot`	`lol!`
`20:09.39`	`Skizot`	`what up`
`20:09.44`	`Ignorance`	`Helix_, I found a bug too. If you have multiple arithmetic (multiple), it will always select the last one no matter what you click.`
`20:09.52`	`Ignorance`	`Very annoying.`
`20:09.55`	`Azu`	`Arthas- found more sweeds?`
`20:09.58`	`Azu`	`:p`
`20:09.58`	`Arthas-`	`yeah`
`20:10.02`	`Arthas-`	`Thorsell on the boards`
`20:10.09`	`Helix_`	`didn't know you worked on SC2 maps/mods man`
`20:10.09`	`Arthas-`	`trying to pull him here`
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`20:10.14`	`Azu`	`:p`
`20:11.06`	`Skizot`	`ever hear of project revolution Helix_?`
`20:11.14`	`Helix_`	`hmmmmm`
`20:11.20`	`Helix_`	`sounds firmilliar`
`20:11.23`	`Helix_`	`but not really`
`20:11.27`	`Skizot`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nc38HzoWtlA`
`20:11.33`	`Skizot`	`it was a warcraft3 to starcraft mod`
`20:12.02`	`Helix_`	`ok`
`20:12.20`	`Vailreth`	`i was soo looking forward to that mod... but then it got killeded`
`20:12.30`	`Skizot`	`it didn't get killed...`
`20:12.34`	`Skizot`	`we killed warcraft3`
`20:12.41`	`Skizot`	`it could NOT handle what we were doing to it.`
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`20:13.01`	`Shadowclaimer`	`evening`
`20:13.11`	`Skizot`	`shadow!`
`20:13.12`	`Vailreth`	`i thought the teams was handed a cease and desist order from blizzard some years ago`
`20:13.15`	`Arthas-`	`wb shadie`
`20:13.20`	`Skizot`	`fuck no.`
`20:13.24`	`Skizot`	`blizzard LOVED us.`
`20:13.26`	`Arthas-`	`todays hellraiser topic is, environment`
`20:13.36`	`Skizot`	`but couldn't say anything due to vivendis bulldog lawyers`
`20:13.43`	`Galois-evariste`	`helix`
`20:13.44`	`Helix_`	`hey Skiz, hit me up in a priv message`
`20:13.47`	`Helix_`	`gal`
`20:13.47`	`Arthas-`	`iirc blizzard went out and said they encouraged remakes of their IP within their engines`
`20:13.48`	`Galois-evariste`	`are you the guy who is doing the TF2 mod?`
`20:13.49`	`Helix_`	`yea?`
`20:13.51`	`Helix_`	`yea`
`20:13.52`	`Helix_`	`that's me`
`20:13.52`	`Skizot`	`i met a bunch of the devs at blizzcon`
`20:13.58`	`Galois-evariste`	`congratulations ahead of time when its finished`
`20:14.00`	`Galois-evariste`	`i'm a big fan`
`20:14.04`	`Helix_`	`thanks man :)`
`20:14.13`	`Skizot`	`Galois-evariste!`
`20:14.17`	`Helix_`	`it's coming along`
`20:14.18`	`Galois-evariste`	`yes its me`
`20:14.22`	`Galois-evariste`	`turret defense is matured now`
`20:14.22`	`Skizot`	`i stillg et my ass kicked >_>`
`20:14.27`	`Skizot`	`also...`
`20:14.34`	`Skizot`	`i ported over the shuttle model...`
`20:14.34`	`Galois-evariste`	`all the bugs are gone`
`20:14.39`	`Skizot`	`SHOULD you want it.`
`20:14.46`	`Galois-evariste`	`SHOULD i want it? hell yes i do`
`20:14.50`	`Shadowclaimer`	`I'm trying to relax today Arthas so no topics of debate for me lol`
`20:14.55`	`Skizot`	`:D`
`20:14.58`	`Shadowclaimer`	`Yesterday was just a terrible day and I kinda exploded, my apologies`
`20:15.08`	`Arthas-`	`next topic, Shadowclaimer's mother :p`
`20:15.12`	`Shadowclaimer`	`go ahead`
`20:15.14`	`Shadowclaimer`	`lol`
`20:15.15`	`Arthas-`	`:(`
`20:15.19`	`Galois-evariste`	`shoutout to arthas' sister`
`20:15.20`	`Shadowclaimer`	`You wouldn't be the first`
`20:15.22`	`Arthas-`	`sweetest old lady one could imagine`
`20:15.23`	`Shadowclaimer`	`Arthas's sister!`
`20:15.28`	`Arthas-`	`Shadowclaimer go ahead`
`20:15.29`	`Arthas-`	`:p`
`20:15.29`	`Skizot`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nc38HzoWtlA <- my sidescroller`
`20:15.30`	`Shadowclaimer`	`lol`
`20:15.37`	`Skizot`	`made the video while my internet was down`
`20:15.41`	`Arthas-`	`you exploded`
`20:15.42`	`Arthas-`	`?`
`20:15.43`	`Skizot`	`still processing so looks like crap.`
`20:15.45`	`Arthas-`	`Everyone did :D`
`20:15.51`	`Shadowclaimer`	`I literally exploded lol`
`20:16.04`	`ithacryex`	`sounds messy`
`20:16.05`	`Shadowclaimer`	`like my particles each expanded at rediculous rates till I became a fiery ball of doom`
`20:16.07`	`Shadowclaimer`	`It was`
`20:16.31`	`Arthas-`	`mess mess mess`
`20:17.05`	`Helix_`	`Galios`
`20:17.17`	`Helix_`	`you said you were working on a tower defense?`
`20:17.18`	`Shadowclaimer`	`Do we have a Latin speaker in here?`
`20:17.36`	`Galois-evariste`	`its done`
`20:17.37`	`Galois-evariste`	`actually`
`20:17.37`	`ubdead`	`ego`
`20:17.46`	`Galois-evariste`	`but i'm about to add the brood war protoss shuttle in thanks to skizot`
`20:17.50`	`Galois-evariste`	`all the bugs are gone and its matured`
`20:17.55`	`Shadowclaimer`	`is Sons in latin still Sons?`
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`20:18.06`	`ubdead`	`no idea lol`
`20:18.09`	`scvrory`	`don't the brood war models look really out of place in sc2 though?`
`20:18.11`	`ubdead`	`google translate`
`20:18.12`	`Arthas-`	`http://www.freedict.com/onldict/lat.html`
`20:18.18`	`Thorsell`	`Why hello there good sirs.`
`20:18.21`	`Arthas-`	`son filius`
`20:18.26`	`Galois-evariste`	`i wouldnt know, but in italian its figlo and in portuguese is filho`
`20:18.27`	`Arthas-`	`filiuses!`
`20:18.28`	`Shadowclaimer`	`what about sons`
`20:18.30`	`Galois-evariste`	`so i doubt it`
`20:18.33`	`Shadowclaimer`	`ah`
`20:18.34`	`ubdead`	`filiusem`
`20:18.35`	`ubdead`	`i think`
`20:18.37`	`Arthas-`	`welcome Thorsell!`
`20:18.41`	`Arthas-`	`moar swedes for the party`
`20:18.50`	`Azu`	`:P`
`20:18.52`	`Shadowclaimer`	`Divinus Filiusem? lol`
`20:18.53`	`ubdead`	`no wait`
`20:18.54`	`Arthas-`	`meed ubdead, Skizot and the rest of the ppl!`
`20:18.55`	`ubdead`	`filiusa`
`20:19.00`	`Thorsell`	`Awesome coincidence that i found u Arthas :P`
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`20:19.04`	`Helix_`	`Gal, priv message me real quick?`
`20:19.05`	`LuxusElg`	`so, i've got a pathing issue too`
`20:19.05`	`Arthas-`	`Thorsell well`
`20:19.06`	`Helix_`	`have a question`
`20:19.10`	`Arthas-`	`you still do chip music`
`20:19.12`	`Shadowclaimer`	`thats still singular =/`
`20:19.13`	`Skizot`	`what?`
`20:19.14`	`Arthas-`	`i didnt read your reply on msn`
`20:19.15`	`Shadowclaimer`	`I need plural of sons`
`20:19.18`	`Arthas-`	`or did you just do modelling`
`20:19.22`	`ubdead`	`filiusa`
`20:19.22`	`LuxusElg`	`take a look at this pic: http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/695/pathingissue.png any suggestions would be appreciated`
`20:19.24`	`ubdead`	`shadow`
`20:19.24`	`Thorsell`	`oh`
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`20:19.44`	`Shadowclaimer`	`still giving me singular through the translators =(`
`20:19.45`	`Thorsell`	`Arthas: yeah i still do some chip music... why?`
`20:19.50`	`Arthas-`	`i wants some :D`
`20:19.55`	`Bemoliph`	`Yeah, that kind of pathing issue actually happens even in the real game`
`20:19.58`	`Arthas-`	`any snes-style music?`
`20:20.01`	`Skizot`	`LuxusElg`
`20:20.04`	`Arthas-`	`or anything from nes-snes era`
`20:20.07`	`Arthas-`	`sid`
`20:20.08`	`Skizot`	`how are you ordering the units?`
`20:20.09`	`Thorsell`	`http://www.myspace.com/1bitmonochrome`
`20:20.12`	`Bemoliph`	`Particularly against terran`
`20:20.15`	`Bemoliph`	`When walling in`
`20:20.16`	`ubdead`	`well Filius is single, the -a at the end makes it plurar`
`20:20.21`	`LuxusElg`	`Skizot, Attack order at the destination point`
`20:20.22`	`Skizot`	`order them to attack the point you want them to go.`
`20:20.27`	`Skizot`	`oh.`
`20:20.34`	`Skizot`	`they don't attack the buildings?`
`20:20.37`	`LuxusElg`	`nope`
`20:20.41`	`Arthas-`	`ty`
`20:20.49`	`Durrean`	`make more regions where they first start to attack`
`20:20.54`	`Arthas-`	`I still have the incompositus stuff lying around`
`20:20.55`	`Arthas-`	`:p`
`20:21.13`	`Bemoliph`	`They don't even need to see the buildings to know that it's impassable`
`20:21.20`	`LuxusElg`	`yeah`
`20:21.22`	`LuxusElg`	`thats my issue`
`20:21.37`	`LuxusElg`	`isn't there some way to tell them to not trust their senses? :p`
`20:21.42`	`Bemoliph`	`That's why you see scouting workers go off to the side all the time`
`20:21.47`	`Bemoliph`	`Without ever even going up the ramp`
`20:21.54`	`Thorsell`	`Arthas lol`
`20:22.05`	`Arthas-`	`proinet made me lose the adresses though`
`20:22.11`	`Shadowclaimer`	`trying to get a good name for this group..`
`20:22.11`	`Thorsell`	`i think i have backups of the logo and stuff too`
`20:22.12`	`LuxusElg`	`it really sounds like a pathing bug`
`20:22.21`	`Arthas-`	`yeah :D`
`20:22.31`	`Shadowclaimer`	`Lux Lucis Manus`
`20:22.42`	`Arthas-`	`i like keep in line`
`20:22.52`	`Sixen`	`~seen dustin`
`20:22.53`	`purl`	`dustin is currently on #sc2mapster. Has said a total of 21 messages. Is idling for 2h 29m 53s, last said: 'That'd be sick'.`
`20:22.55`	`Thorsell`	`yeah that's the only chiptune i have up now`
`20:23.06`	`Shadowclaimer`	`~seen Shadowclaimer`
`20:23.07`	`purl`	`shadowclaimer is currently on #sc2mapster (10m 9s). Has said a total of 22 messages. Is idling for 1s, last said: '~seen Shadowclaimer'.`
`20:23.07`	`Arthas-`	`care to send me some more samples over?`
`20:23.13`	`Shadowclaimer`	`infinite loop time`
`20:23.20`	`Shadowclaimer`	`aww`
`20:23.26`	`Arthas-`	`prefferably a wide variaion if you have dif themes on them`
`20:23.29`	`Arthas-`	`loves the chip`
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`20:23.58`	`LuxusElg`	`so anyway, there's no way to fix it, except to make lots of points/regions where i expect the path to be blocked?`
`20:24.02`	`heysparky`	`howdy folks`
`20:24.18`	`Arthas-`	`wb sparky`
`20:24.25`	`LuxusElg`	`and then just sort of manually route the zerglings from region to region to their destination?`
`20:24.27`	`Arthas-`	`you got everything working s you wanted yesterday?`
`20:24.33`	`Thorsell`	`Arthas then u should check this vid i made, it's a live rendering of a song =)`
`20:24.34`	`Thorsell`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bvq4VGu14Zg`
`20:25.23`	`Arthas-`	`<3`
`20:25.26`	`Helix_`	`I can't figure out how the hell to work with trackers`
`20:25.30`	`Helix_`	`<-logic user`
`20:25.34`	`Thorsell`	`LuxusElg: there's probably a better solution to that problem`
`20:25.40`	`Thorsell`	`dunno what though`
`20:25.41`	`Thorsell`	`not yet`
`20:25.57`	`Thorsell`	`Helix: I use Reason too.`
`20:26.04`	`Arthas-`	`LuxusElg cant you order the lings to move to a point`
`20:26.14`	`Helix_`	`ahhh ok`
`20:26.16`	`LuxusElg`	`that's what i am doing`
`20:26.18`	`LuxusElg`	`Arthas-`
`20:26.28`	`Arthas-`	`ah`
`20:26.31`	`heysparky`	`Arthas - I did!`
`20:26.32`	`Helix_`	`http://www.1217design.com <-audio section thors`
`20:26.36`	`LuxusElg`	`or, attack-move, but still`
`20:26.39`	`Thorsell`	`Helix: often in combination with Audacity for sampling`
`20:26.44`	`Arthas-`	`heysparky nice :)`
`20:26.46`	`Helix_`	`gotcha`
`20:27.09`	`Thorsell`	`but I like going back to the simplicity of MadTracker 2 sometimes too`
`20:27.11`	`heysparky`	`Lyrrad is working on the Spine Crawler, but the coolness of transportable barriers is nearly enough to hang the gameplay on. Awesome. Thanks for your help.`
`20:27.24`	`Arthas-`	`no worries`
`20:27.29`	`Shadowclaimer`	`I swear doing possessive bits in Latin is hell`
`20:27.35`	`Arthas-`	`ill spend the time to find a solution if its something i might have use of in the future ;D`
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`20:27.46`	`Arthas-`	`i just didnt expect transport to work like that`
`20:27.49`	`heysparky`	`Shadowclaimer, what are you naming today?`
`20:27.54`	`Shadowclaimer`	`the group =/`
`20:27.58`	`Thorsell`	`Helix: is that your site? sweet`
`20:28.01`	`Shadowclaimer`	`they are currently Sanctus Tutor`
`20:28.05`	`Shadowclaimer`	`but for some reason I don't like that name`
`20:28.12`	`Helix_`	`yea thors, that's my portfolio`
`20:28.15`	`heysparky`	`Yeah, Arthas, that toggling from destructible, to unit to destructible is really just quirky`
`20:28.22`	`Thorsell`	`Looks really stylish.`
`20:28.25`	`Thorsell`	`Good work =)`
`20:28.48`	`heysparky`	`Who are they ShadowC?`
`20:29.04`	`Shadowclaimer`	`a holy order of knights that fight hell after the end of the world`
`20:29.15`	`Thorsell`	`LuxusElg, what about some strange multithreading option? couldn't that work?`
`20:29.47`	`heysparky`	`oh, it's the whole order?`
`20:30.00`	`Shadowclaimer`	`yea`
`20:30.01`	`heysparky`	`Too bad the word 'guardian' is Janitor :)`
`20:30.04`	`Shadowclaimer`	`lol`
`20:30.09`	`Shadowclaimer`	`yea Holy Defenders is what they are now`
`20:30.14`	`LuxusElg`	`Thorsell, wat? xD`
`20:30.17`	`Shadowclaimer`	`Sanctus Tutor`
`20:30.31`	`Arthas-`	`Helix_ indeed, nice page & portfolio :)`
`20:30.34`	`Shadowclaimer`	`I thought about Hand of Justice, but the of in the middle looks weird`
`20:30.36`	`Helix_`	`thanks :)`
`20:30.42`	`DaRkBoZ`	`nice work indeed`
`20:30.58`	`Helix_`	`I have to update it - last time I updated was before GDC this past year`
`20:31.15`	`Thorsell`	`LuxusElg: Like having some thing that checks if there is something in the way, and if there is, the move order is paused`
`20:31.18`	`Helix_`	`plus get my reel up`
`20:31.20`	`Thorsell`	`and then resumed again`
`20:31.28`	`Thorsell`	`after the obstacle is gone`
`20:31.32`	`DaRkBoZ`	`the music are yours too ?`
`20:31.37`	`Helix_`	`yeap`
`20:31.42`	`Thorsell`	`It says original production :P`
`20:31.45`	`Helix_`	`been producing for about 7-8 years`
`20:31.46`	`Shadowclaimer`	`wait what order are you giving the zerglings in that previous post? Move or Attack/`
`20:31.57`	`Thorsell`	`Very nice with the player that pops up`
`20:31.59`	`DaRkBoZ`	`nice i'am a D&B lover too will listen to your creations :)`
`20:32.03`	`Helix_`	`thanks :)`
`20:32.15`	`Helix_`	`Ashes and The Nephilim are on Skynet's NVision label`
`20:32.26`	`Thorsell`	`lol Skynet`
`20:32.38`	`LuxusElg`	`Thorsell, well, that kind of defeats the point.. they are supposed to attack and destroy anything in their way`
`20:32.44`	`Thorsell`	`just watched T3 P:`
`20:33.01`	`DaRkBoZ`	`that's really great man like it alot`
`20:33.04`	`Thorsell`	`LuxusElg: well the result would be just that`
`20:33.08`	`Thorsell`	`i think`
`20:33.09`	`Helix_`	`thanks :)`
`20:33.10`	`LuxusElg`	`i suppose it should be possible to detect whether ot not whatever is blocking is hostile or not, and subsequently issue a direct attack order`
`20:33.16`	`LuxusElg`	`but i dunno how to do that`
`20:33.31`	`Helix_`	`ok quick question`
`20:33.34`	`Thorsell`	`That would be my best guess now at least =)`
`20:33.36`	`Helix_`	`help me out real quick here`
`20:33.55`	`Helix_`	`so with a unit, right above their health is an almost wireframe view of that unit`
`20:33.55`	`LuxusElg`	`so, new question: how do i detect if something is blocking the path or not?`
`20:33.58`	`Helix_`	`what is that called?`
`20:34.00`	`heysparky`	`there;s always Legio 'legion' SC`
`20:34.05`	`Shadowclaimer`	`hmm`
`20:34.10`	`Shadowclaimer`	`Sanctus Legio works`
`20:34.13`	`Helix_`	`it's not the Portrait I don't think`
`20:34.17`	`Helix_`	`but something else`
`20:34.19`	`LuxusElg`	`Helix_: Wireframe Layer`
`20:34.23`	`Helix_`	`thanks`
`20:34.29`	`Shadowclaimer`	`Holy Legion`
`20:34.29`	`Helix_`	`reporting a bug with the editor`
`20:34.55`	`heysparky`	`are you looking for english or latin?`
`20:34.58`	`Shadowclaimer`	`Latin`
`20:35.09`	`Shadowclaimer`	`that works though, I like it`
`20:35.29`	`Thorsell`	`LuxusElg: That would probably be some command checking if the unit can't move forward or similar, though it'd have to be a variable`
`20:35.53`	`Thorsell`	`so it checks all the time until the unit is actually blocked, then runs the other commands`
`20:36.05`	`Thorsell`	`like, pausing a move order`
`20:36.22`	`Thorsell`	`probably quite complicated to achieve i'm afraid`
`20:36.40`	`Thorsell`	`but it should definitely be possible`
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`20:37.06`	`heysparky`	`you can't issue an attackmove?`
`20:37.28`	`Shadowclaimer`	`I figure an attack order would work`
`20:37.33`	`Shadowclaimer`	`since "attack" is attack move in this one`
`20:37.40`	`Shadowclaimer`	`unless you target a unit`
`20:37.59`	`LuxusElg`	`no`
`20:38.03`	`LuxusElg`	`attack move does not work`
`20:38.08`	`LuxusElg`	`ref: http://tinyurl.com/2voqbjn`
`20:38.21`	`ubdead`	`lol i noticed after 2 years, my speakers are in reverse stereo`
`20:38.25`	`Thorsell`	`LuxusElg: you understand how I'm thinking right? :P`
`20:38.43`	`Shadowclaimer`	`that would be the picture we're talking about, wasn't surei f you ordered an attack or a move order`
`20:38.44`	`LuxusElg`	`yeah, i was addressing Shadowclaimer and heysparky :p`
`20:38.53`	`LuxusElg`	`attack order, Shadowclaimer`
`20:38.59`	`Shadowclaimer`	`yea i see that now at the top xD`
`20:39.05`	`LuxusElg`	`:p`
`20:39.11`	`Thorsell`	`That should be both possible and working, though it would probably involve lots of scripting etc.`
`20:39.36`	`LuxusElg`	`yeah`
`20:39.38`	`Thorsell`	`And I'm not at all into scripting for SC3 yet :P`
`20:39.42`	`Thorsell`	`*lol`
`20:39.44`	`Thorsell`	`SC2`
`20:39.46`	`Thorsell`	`*`
`20:39.48`	`Helix_`	`by the way guys, how would I make it so that when a unit attacks a member of its' own team, it buffs that other unit, and when they attack a member of the opposite team it damages the enemy unit?`
`20:40.03`	`LuxusElg`	`also, how do you check if it is just unable to reach its destination? they do move around alot when bumped into by other units`
`20:40.06`	`Helix_`	`make 2 weapons and have restrictions on what it can attack?`
`20:40.08`	`LuxusElg`	`how to tell the two apart?`
`20:40.24`	`DaRkBoZ`	`you mean like the death coil .`
`20:40.25`	`DaRkBoZ`	`?`
`20:40.37`	`Helix_`	`kinda`
`20:40.43`	`Helix_`	`well yea`
`20:40.49`	`Helix_`	`we'll go with that analogy`
`20:40.53`	`DaRkBoZ`	`^^`
`20:41.13`	`Thorsell`	`LuxusElg: there's probably a way of separating the bumping into units and the bumping into buildings/solid objects/ terrain`
`20:41.26`	`LuxusElg`	`i sure hope so`
`20:41.35`	`Thorsell`	`I'd guess. Though I'm just speculating.`
`20:42.11`	`LuxusElg`	`but at this point, if it is indeed a bug, i think it would be faster to wait for blizz to fix it, rather than figure out how to script a workaround`
`20:42.21`	`LuxusElg`	`i'm speaking only for myself, ofcourse`
`20:42.45`	`Thorsell`	`I wouldn't say it's a bug though..`
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`20:43.07`	`LuxusElg`	`that kind of behavior wasn't in brood war or WCIII though`
`20:43.09`	`LuxusElg`	`was it?`
`20:43.41`	`Sixen`	`Hey Darkboz, :)`
`20:43.44`	`Thorsell`	`But maybe they should make some kind of code fix to at least make the unit stop in front of any obstacle instead of choosing an optional failing path.`
`20:43.47`	`DaRkBoZ`	`what i would like them to fix is the locale systeme, just a little flag for a default locale so that is there isn't a local for the specific client it take automatically the default one`
`20:43.49`	`DaRkBoZ`	`sup six :)`
`20:43.58`	`Sixen`	`They kinda did fix the locale's in Patch 10 iirc`
`20:44.07`	`Sixen`	`New maps start with all locales now.`
`20:44.11`	`LuxusElg`	`yeah, Thorsell, that would fix it`
`20:45.00`	`LuxusElg`	`i really don't see how they came to that conclusion anyway.. "okay, we can't get to our destination, so we're just gonna get as close as possible, disregarding cliffs, water and pits of doom"`
`20:45.04`	`Thorsell`	`So are you working on a specific map, or are you just messing around? =)`
`20:45.07`	`DaRkBoZ`	`yeah that's true but i still see alot of map with locale issues ^^`
`20:45.23`	`Sixen`	`=/`
`20:45.24`	`Skizot`	`or you could make the building higher on the attack priority list.`
`20:45.27`	`LuxusElg`	`working on a specific map, but its not going anywhere until i fix this :D`
`20:45.33`	`LuxusElg`	`hm`
`20:45.44`	`Sixen`	`Luxus`
`20:45.49`	`Thorsell`	`LuxusElg: Probably because you don't want units ending up just standing next to a building and getting killed.`
`20:45.50`	`Sixen`	`Are you working on some zergling defense thing?`
`20:46.05`	`DaRkBoZ`	`but well it's not that it's difficult to fix with an mpq editor it take around 10sec but it's always annoying to do`
`20:46.17`	`LuxusElg`	`hero defense in general, but zerglings are my enemy of choice at the moment, yes, Sixen`
`20:46.21`	`Sixen`	`Add a queue of commands. Have them stop in front of the barrier and issue another move command`
`20:46.39`	`LuxusElg`	`the problem is that the barriers are player-created`
`20:46.39`	`heysparky`	`could you make a list of points and iterate through them? It's clunky... but it could work...`
`20:46.47`	`Sixen`	`hm`
`20:46.48`	`LuxusElg`	`so there is no way to know where they would be`
`20:46.51`	`heysparky`	`points as destinations`
`20:46.55`	`LuxusElg`	`and heysparky, that will work`
`20:47.09`	`LuxusElg`	`but a problem appears when they have to move back`
`20:47.37`	`Helix_`	`see, 1 of the nice things in UDK/Unreal is creating paths for the AI`
`20:47.52`	`Helix_`	`they can deviate from it, but they know the general flow of where to go`
`20:47.58`	`Thorsell`	`ah`
`20:47.59`	`heysparky`	`yeah? you can't reverse the list?`
`20:47.59`	`Thorsell`	`yeah`
`20:48.04`	`Thorsell`	`Helix`
`20:48.08`	`Helix_`	`?`
`20:48.08`	`Thorsell`	`that's nice actually`
`20:48.12`	`Helix_`	`it's awesome`
`20:48.15`	`Thorsell`	`in UDK`
`20:48.25`	`Helix_`	`I LOVE UDK`
`20:48.30`	`Helix_`	`it's my fave of all the editors`
`20:48.30`	`heysparky`	`pathing in an RTS is a totally different animal`
`20:48.30`	`Thorsell`	`makes it very simple to set up basic flow of movement`
`20:48.40`	`Helix_`	`no sparky I know that`
`20:48.51`	`Helix_`	`but you can create lanes of movement and whatnot`
`20:48.53`	`LuxusElg`	`heysparky, my iteration of your idea seems to be abit different... please explain?`
`20:48.56`	`heysparky`	`ah, gotcha`
`20:49.02`	`Helix_`	`they'll still run ALL around in that room`
`20:49.05`	`Helix_`	`pursue people, etc`
`20:49.20`	`Helix_`	`but it's saying, hey - here's where you go along`
`20:49.29`	`heysparky`	`I'm not acutally sure how you iterate through the elements of an array in GUI, BUT`
`20:50.10`	`heysparky`	`if you can make a list of locations in an order... 'forward'`
`20:50.22`	`heysparky`	`there might be a way to do a sort on the array to reverse the order`
`20:50.24`	`Thorsell`	`LuxusElg: Do you have a thread on the forums? Would be fun to see something more from your map idea =)`
`20:50.34`	`heysparky`	`IF you can do array manipulation like you can in C`
`20:50.40`	`LuxusElg`	`not yet, Thorsell :p`
`20:50.58`	`heysparky`	`I'm a programming newb, but we just went over this in class... so it's on the brain`
`20:51.04`	`Thorsell`	`heysparky, though that's a pretty annoying workaround that would only work for that map`
`20:51.11`	`LuxusElg`	`heysparky, yeah, i think i'm just going to have to mess around with that concept to see if i can hack up a fix`
`20:51.14`	`heysparky`	`not true`
`20:51.20`	`heysparky`	`you could write it as a function`
`20:51.29`	`heysparky`	`that takes a list of points`
`20:51.45`	`Thorsell`	`hmm yeah maybe I'm just not following it properly :P`
`20:51.52`	`heysparky`	`wait... can you pass arrays to functoins?`
`20:51.54`	`Thorsell`	`multitaskting`
`20:52.12`	`Helix_`	`also, how would I go ahead and make it so their health gets buffed X amount and then decreases back to a certain amount? ie, unit is at 100 health, their max normally is 125, but this buff can make their health go up to 185. when fully buffed. Then it drops back down to 125 normally`
`20:52.16`	`Helix_`	`or is that not possible with GE?`
`20:52.23`	`LuxusElg`	`i'll try it when i grow bored of TotalBiscuit's live stream :)`
`20:52.25`	`DaRkBoZ`	`blizzard made an awesome job with the galaxy editor i think the map community will be alot bigger than WC3`
`20:52.37`	`Thorsell`	`Hey LuxusElg, check my thread on the forums, I've started working on a small SP-map`
`20:52.41`	`DaRkBoZ`	`it'll be awesome when the game will be released`
`20:52.47`	`Helix_`	`cause right now having the minimum health, when above maximum health, creates a big error in the game`
`20:53.09`	`DaRkBoZ`	`the operation shouln't be allowed in the first place helix ^^`
`20:53.21`	`Helix_`	`what operation?`
`20:53.33`	`DaRkBoZ`	`having min health above max`
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`20:53.40`	`Helix_`	`<PROTECTED>`
`20:53.48`	`DaRkBoZ`	`yeah it's a flaw for sure`
`20:53.51`	`LuxusElg`	`Thorsell, link?`
`20:53.55`	`heysparky`	`helix... and others... can you un-research a tech? if so you could toggle max hitpoints by researching and un-researching a HP tech`
`20:53.58`	`Helix_`	`and causes the health to not display as well as the wireframe layer to disappear`
`20:54.18`	`Helix_`	`sparky, I'm trying to duplicate the medic from TF2's health gun`
`20:54.52`	`heysparky`	`right, reasearch tech for... Health Heavy HP Bonus`
`20:55.03`	`Thorsell`	`LuxusElg here`
`20:55.04`	`Thorsell`	`http://forums.sc2mapster.com/development/map-development/1955-custom-sp-map-with-line-of-objectives/`
`20:55.09`	`Helix_`	`hmmm`
`20:55.16`	`Helix_`	`and use it as a buff or something?`
`20:55.19`	`heysparky`	`but only if you can un-reserach a tech`
`20:55.20`	`Thorsell`	`I've made it very simple so I can actually complete it :P`
`20:55.28`	`heysparky`	`not sure, helix :)`
`20:55.32`	`Helix_`	`oi`
`20:55.34`	`Helix_`	`word, thanks`
`20:55.44`	`heysparky`	`my data shenanigans have been only limited`
`20:55.44`	`LuxusElg`	`:D`
`20:55.48`	`heysparky`	`to simple stuff`
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`20:56.10`	`heysparky`	`just thinking out vectors to apply the bonus HP`
`20:56.12`	`Thorsell`	`If anyone knows how to help me, please check the thread or post a link or whatever =)`
`20:56.29`	`Helix_`	`well I know the stimpack decreases the unit;s HP temporarily`
`20:56.33`	`Helix_`	`but I couldn't find that in the ability`
`20:56.35`	`Thorsell`	`I'm going to make a tutorial on everything in that map later on.`
`20:57.10`	`Vailreth`	`the stimpack hp cost in in the behavior i believe`
`20:58.06`	`heysparky`	`That's a great starting map idea Thorsell`
`20:58.18`	`Thorsell`	`You think?`
`20:58.22`	`heysparky`	`Sure`
`20:58.32`	`ubdead`	`mnn sound offsets dont work :(`
`20:58.37`	`heysparky`	`simple, accomplishable and - ultimately - helpful to the community`
`20:58.49`	`Thorsell`	`That's what I'm thinking all the noobs want to do so, yeah =)`
`20:59.03`	`Thorsell`	`(because i wanna do it)`
`20:59.29`	`Helix_`	`right now here are my main stopping points: upgradable turrets - only upgradable by 1 unit, controlling disguising that is dropped upon damaging or being damaged, a rocket that doesn't need to have a target but shoots in a specific direction, a grenade launcher that has bouncing grenades, switching weapons around while playing the class, annnnnnd this health gun thing`
`20:59.41`	`heysparky`	`I'd start with basic overriding Victory conditions`
`20:59.53`	`heysparky`	`All units dead`
`20:59.55`	`heysparky`	`that sort of thing`
`20:59.57`	`Helix_`	`granted I haven't had a lot of time in the editor, so, hopefully this weekend when I have all day sat/sun to mess around I'll make some major headway`
`20:59.58`	`Thorsell`	`I'm getting a little stuck on the actual making of the map though so far.. but I'm looking at some other tutorials for hints on how to solve them`
`21:00.11`	`Thorsell`	`heysparky: yeah something like that`
`21:00.22`	`heysparky`	`what piece are you working on atm?`
`21:00.23`	`LuxusElg`	`where are you stuck, Thorsell?`
`21:01.02`	`Thorsell`	`I'm just messing around with the events/triggers right now to get ANYTHING to work the way I want heh`
`21:01.12`	`Thorsell`	`First prio is the camera issue`
`21:01.12`	`Helix_`	`what do you mean>`
`21:01.23`	`LuxusElg`	`the camera issue is fairly straightforward`
`21:01.49`	`heysparky`	`yeah, it should be relatively simple... in your init trigger you'll want to do one of two things - your choice, same effect`
`21:01.57`	`Thorsell`	`hmm.. maybe i've been using the wrong events/actions then 'cause i havent managed to get it working yet`
`21:02.11`	`heysparky`	`Set Camera Object (and specify a camera object you've created) OR Pan Camera to point`
`21:02.21`	`LuxusElg`	`event: map initialization. action: pan camera for player 1 to starting point over 0.0 seconds`
`21:02.28`	`Repo`	`New map: http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/sniper-paintball-ultimate/. Sniper Paintball Ultimate. Galois1 (Manager/Author). Experimental. Approved by sixen.`
`21:02.59`	`heysparky`	`Set Camera Object and Pan Camera are both actions`
`21:03.29`	`heysparky`	`I like to use camera objects because I can visually verify in the editor what the camera view is`
`21:03.34`	`heysparky`	`but Pan Camera is simpler`
`21:03.36`	`Thorsell`	`sparky and Lux: yeah i've tried that but I dunno how to define what point the camera is aiming at.. or area or whatever`
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`21:04.00`	`heysparky`	`are you very new to the trigger editor? like, learning the interface and all?`
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`21:04.35`	`Thorsell`	`well i haven't used the editor for too long but i have a basic understanding of logic and variables`
`21:04.47`	`_JunioR_`	`hi`
`21:04.49`	`heysparky`	`okay, those will serve you well`
`21:05.01`	`heysparky`	`the interface is rather confusing until you get the basic flow`
`21:05.21`	`heysparky`	`so you've got an init trigger, like, the default one, yeah?`
`21:05.25`	`Thorsell`	`Yeah.. they don't line up cronolocically very well :P`
`21:05.49`	`Thorsell`	`nah I removed it but i made a new one without all the melee initialization`
`21:06.00`	`Thorsell`	`with a map init in it`
`21:06.01`	`Thorsell`	`lol`
`21:06.03`	`heysparky`	`okay... is the event in that one 'map... k`
`21:06.20`	`LuxusElg`	`<Thorsell> sparky and Lux: yeah i've tried that but I dunno how to define what point the camera is aiming at.. or area or whatever`
`21:06.37`	`LuxusElg`	`layer->points`
`21:06.43`	`Helix_`	`or press the P key`
`21:06.48`	`LuxusElg`	`or that`
`21:07.08`	`Thorsell`	`It would be great to set up a script/save a bunch of triggers to be used in other maps aswell ofc`
`21:07.18`	`heysparky`	`you can do that`
`21:07.22`	`heysparky`	`but hat's a little more advance`
`21:07.25`	`heysparky`	`+d`
`21:07.41`	`Thorsell`	`yeah i know how to MAKE a point but not how to make the default camera target it`
`21:07.42`	`heysparky`	`same exact principles tho`
`21:07.42`	`Helix_`	`ok so...what's the difference with creating a Mod vs a Map?`
`21:07.42`	`Zaratulius`	`does anyone whant to play my map with me or Azu? it's dota style map atm and should supports up to 12 players.`
`21:07.52`	`Furyhunter`	`No update on the patch servers yet?`
`21:08.01`	`heysparky`	`that's what the action in your init trigger will do`
`21:08.09`	`Sixen`	`Update for what, Furyhunter?`
`21:08.10`	`Thorsell`	`Helix: The Mod part just brings up the data manager`
`21:08.11`	`Furyhunter`	`Zaratulius, you can only play 4 people using the map swap trick right now`
`21:08.17`	`Furyhunter`	`Patch 13, of course Sixen`
`21:08.25`	`Sixen`	`Oh. There is no Patch 13 :p`
`21:08.30`	`Furyhunter`	`aww.`
`21:08.39`	`Sixen`	`At least, not yet..`
`21:08.39`	`Zaratulius`	`heh but map is created to support up to 12`
`21:08.53`	`Helix_`	`thors, and then how do you take maps and have them work within that mod?`
`21:08.58`	`Thorsell`	`heysparky: do you know what action I could use there? I haven't found a working one yet`
`21:08.58`	`Zaratulius`	`anyway we need 2 more players`
`21:09.05`	`Zaratulius`	`anyone interested? http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/warrior/`
`21:09.12`	`Sixen`	`Helix, just add a mod as a dependency.`
`21:09.16`	`Thorsell`	`Helix: probably yeah`
`21:09.18`	`heysparky`	`yeah, sure Thor`
`21:09.21`	`Thorsell`	`ah`
`21:09.25`	`heysparky`	`it's Pan Camera`
`21:09.35`	`heysparky`	`in the list of triggers you can search for Pan`
`21:09.43`	`Thorsell`	`does that affect the default cam?`
`21:09.44`	`Helix_`	`ok then, so sixen - say I create all of the work in the data editor and trigger editor in the mod part`
`21:09.46`	`heysparky`	`triggers == actions`
`21:09.50`	`heysparky`	`it will`
`21:09.56`	`Helix_`	`that's then applied throughout to all of the maps included in said mod?`
`21:10.06`	`Thorsell`	`i'll try that out right now`
`21:10.30`	`heysparky`	`do you have a point object placed on the map?`
`21:10.38`	`Thorsell`	`how to define where the camera will pan? i don't have a "base" starting position`
`21:10.46`	`Thorsell`	`i'll make one`
`21:10.46`	`heysparky`	`base is always origin`
`21:10.49`	`heysparky`	`the lower left map`
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`21:10.59`	`Vailreth`	`who wanted a single effect that could both heal and harm depending on ally or enemy?`
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`21:11.16`	`heysparky`	`well, this pan isn't really a pan`
`21:11.27`	`heysparky`	`because you'll set the duration to 0.0 seconds`
`21:11.32`	`Helix_`	`I did vailreth`
`21:11.33`	`heysparky`	`it's more of a cut`
`21:11.41`	`heysparky`	`and one you'll never see because it happens at map init`
`21:11.55`	`heysparky`	`so it's good for setting your starting camera`
`21:11.59`	`ckknight`	`there are so many comments on that front news post now`
`21:12.12`	`Vailreth`	`ah Helix_ i think i have an ability effect-target that will do that that can be made to be auto cast`
`21:12.17`	`Sixen`	`Yup, Helix.`
`21:12.24`	`Helix_`	`thanks sixen`
`21:12.42`	`Helix_`	`nice one vailreth`
`21:12.54`	`Thorsell`	`heysparky, yeah, makes sense`
`21:12.58`	`Helix_`	`because I want it to be 1 of the unit's weapons`
`21:13.16`	`Zaratulius`	`i need one more player to play may map http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/warrior/ on EU anyone interested?`
`21:13.18`	`Thorsell`	`I'll try it out and yell if it doesn't work/i'm doing something wrong`
`21:13.47`	`heysparky`	`k thor`
`21:13.51`	`RoarMan`	`Quick question, does a Wait Action make a trigger ineligable for multi-player like in Wc3?`
`21:14.18`	`Hati`	`ckknight: and some of seem are smurfs for sure :(`
`21:14.28`	`ckknight`	`smurfs?`
`21:14.30`	`Hati`	`of them*`
`21:14.40`	`Hati`	`fake accounts`
`21:15.14`	`Hati`	`2/1255 > 1/1255 :x`
`21:15.17`	`Vailreth`	`ok i think it is weaponable..`
`21:15.23`	`Vailreth`	`i will check`
`21:15.34`	`Helix_`	`cool`
`21:15.49`	`Helix_`	`yea I'm at work or I'd check myself`
`21:16.18`	`Repo`	`10milkywayedit: 03sanktanglia * r83 Tools/SC2MapEditor/SC2MapEditor (7 files in 2 directories):`
`21:16.20`	`Repo`	`finished up mpq handler, swithced a bunch of the mpq loading to use it`
`21:16.21`	`Repo`	`fixed up including of files for galaxy files`
`21:16.25`	`heysparky`	`I declared a global var that I want to pass into an event (Timer - Every X seconds of Game Time).. but it won't list the global variable I have created.`
`21:16.26`	`heysparky`	`Thoughts?`
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`21:16.40`	`heysparky`	`variable is of type real`
`21:17.33`	`Thorsell`	`I guess that is for spawning zerglings?:P`
`21:17.50`	`Thorsell`	`or making them attack maybe`
`21:19.33`	`Thorsell`	`hmm Pan Camera Player: 1`
`21:19.53`	`Thorsell`	`to Point: Center Of Region?`
`21:19.58`	`LuxusElg`	`yap`
`21:20.04`	`Thorsell`	`Region: Triggering Region?`
`21:20.04`	`LuxusElg`	`no wait`
`21:20.12`	`LuxusElg`	`you made a point, right?`
`21:20.25`	`Thorsell`	`yeah, just where my marine is standing`
`21:20.33`	`heysparky`	`then you need to pan to point`
`21:20.47`	`LuxusElg`	`instead of Function, choose Value at the top there`
`21:20.50`	`heysparky`	`you should be able to select it from the list undre Value`
`21:20.53`	`LuxusElg`	`you point should be listed`
`21:20.54`	`heysparky`	`right, what Luxus said`
`21:20.55`	`Thorsell`	`aah`
`21:21.06`	`Thorsell`	`makes sense now d'oh :P`
`21:21.09`	`LuxusElg`	`:D`
`21:22.14`	`Thorsell`	`Yay, first step of the map is solved! And I've also gotten a reply in my thread =)`
`21:22.29`	`Thorsell`	`Thanks guys`
`21:22.50`	`Thorsell`	`You will be credited in the tutorial later, if I remember it :P`
`21:22.54`	`LuxusElg`	`:p`
`21:23.55`	`Thorsell`	`Now for the next part, I think I have that covered.. displaying a text message on screen`
`21:25.53`	`Thorsell`	`Hmm where do the Story-actions go? Is that ingame or in some other menu we haven't seen yet?`
`21:26.08`	`Thorsell`	`because it's SP`
`21:27.56`	`LuxusElg`	`story-actions?`
`21:28.55`	`Thorsell`	`Actions > Story`
`21:29.02`	`Thorsell`	`sub-category`
`21:29.07`	`LuxusElg`	`:i`
`21:29.34`	`Thorsell`	`Set Victory Panel Mission Text, etc`
`21:29.50`	`LuxusElg`	`sounds like campaign stuff`
`21:29.50`	`Aegis_Runestone`	`I GTG`
`21:30.02`	`rrowland`	`Campaign was built in GE`
`21:30.03`	`Thorsell`	`Yeah.. I guess.`
`21:30.09`	`Thorsell`	`Yeah`
`21:30.13`	`Thorsell`	`I guess it was. :P`
`21:30.54`	`Thorsell`	`So that means I'm able to make my own campaign later on =)`
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`21:30.58`	`Helix_`	`so where are victory conditions setup at?`
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`21:31.09`	`ubdead`	`does anybody know how to unload units using an effect?`
`21:31.12`	`Thorsell`	`i'm still looking`
`21:31.23`	`LuxusElg`	`i suppose you make your own victory conditions`
`21:31.29`	`Helix_`	`right`
`21:31.31`	`Helix_`	`where do I do that though?`
`21:31.32`	`LuxusElg`	`if X, then win`
`21:31.35`	`ubdead`	`mnn i guess ill just use unload all`
`21:31.45`	`Thorsell`	`Yeah`
`21:32.06`	`Demonette`	`Where is Aegis Runestone gone? oO`
`21:32.10`	`LuxusElg`	`triggers, i suppose, Helix_`
`21:32.10`	`Thorsell`	`I wonder what Action/Condition controls that`
`21:32.15`	`Helix_`	`cause right now unless I have 2 starting points for 2 diff players it automatically says "X has won" or "Stalemate" or something`
`21:32.29`	`LuxusElg`	`thats the melee initialization trigger`
`21:32.30`	`LuxusElg`	`remove it`
`21:32.33`	`Thorsell`	`yeah`
`21:32.35`	`Helix_`	`hm`
`21:32.37`	`Helix_`	`ok`
`21:32.44`	`Thorsell`	`or set player 2 to Computer`
`21:32.49`	`Thorsell`	`and AI to Computer`
`21:32.54`	`Helix_`	`right`
`21:32.55`	`Thorsell`	`for player 2`
`21:33.01`	`Helix_`	`that's what I have already`
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`21:33.14`	`LuxusElg`	`the Win action is in Game`
`21:33.19`	`LuxusElg`	`End game for player`
`21:33.20`	`Thorsell`	`aah`
`21:33.22`	`Helix_`	`oh`
`21:33.24`	`Helix_`	`ok`
`21:33.26`	`LuxusElg`	`you can choose victory/defeat`
`21:33.34`	`Helix_`	`game in the melee init trig?`
`21:33.41`	`LuxusElg`	`no, just remove that`
`21:33.47`	`LuxusElg`	`unless you're making a melee map`
`21:33.48`	`Helix_`	`<-doesn't have the editor here, just trying to figure it out for when I get home`
`21:33.52`	`LuxusElg`	`ah`
`21:33.55`	`Helix_`	`trigger map`
`21:34.02`	`Helix_`	`well`
`21:34.06`	`LuxusElg`	`just remove the melee trigger, then make a new one with your own victory conditions`
`21:34.11`	`Helix_`	`ok`
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`21:34.38`	`Helix_`	`I'm gonna have to bring everything into a mod rather than a map`
`21:34.39`	`Thorsell`	`or go to Player Properties`
`21:34.42`	`Helix_`	`when I get home today`
`21:35.05`	`LuxusElg`	`say you want player 1 to win if player 2 has no more units, you'd make a trigger that checks whether the players have any units left`
`21:35.06`	`Thorsell`	`and set player 2 AI and Control to Comp`
`21:35.26`	`LuxusElg`	`and if not, end the game with defeat for triggering player, and victory for the opposing player`
`21:35.29`	`LuxusElg`	`or something`
`21:35.47`	`Helix_`	`well I want it to be after X Time has elapsed and whoever has a higher score wins`
`21:35.50`	`LuxusElg`	`if you're not making a melee map, you should remove the melee trigger anyway`
`21:35.55`	`LuxusElg`	`doesn't do you any good :p`
`21:35.59`	`Thorsell`	`like a variable checking if player 2 has <1 units left, player 1 wins`
`21:36.09`	`LuxusElg`	`yeah`
`21:36.15`	`Helix_`	`cause luxus, I'm working on a Team Fortress mod`
`21:36.19`	`LuxusElg`	`ah`
`21:36.22`	`LuxusElg`	`well thats no prob`
`21:36.28`	`Helix_`	`yea, respawning units, etc`
`21:36.37`	`LuxusElg`	`events would be Time elapsed X seconds`
`21:36.39`	`Helix_`	`think that'd go under melee or what?`
`21:36.44`	`Vailreth`	`ok i have a weapon that works to heal allies if you want that and damages enemies`
`21:36.49`	`Helix_`	`er as a melee weapon`
`21:36.51`	`Helix_`	`map`
`21:36.58`	`Helix_`	`sorry, was reading what he typed when I was typing haha`
`21:37.02`	`Helix_`	`oh sick vail`
`21:37.04`	`Helix_`	`lay it on me`
`21:37.10`	`LuxusElg`	`no, Helix_, a melee map is just a standard map`
`21:37.12`	`LuxusElg`	`:p`
`21:37.15`	`Helix_`	`ah`
`21:37.16`	`Helix_`	`ok`
`21:37.27`	`LuxusElg`	`anything else would be a custom map`
`21:37.43`	`LuxusElg`	`or mod`
`21:37.59`	`LuxusElg`	`or something`
`21:38.02`	`Helix_`	`right`
`21:38.05`	`Helix_`	`which is what I'm working on`
`21:38.09`	`LuxusElg`	`yap`
`21:38.27`	`Helix_`	`I can't wait til this weekend when I actually get 2 whole days to sit and work in the editor, rather than an hour here and there`
`21:38.31`	`LuxusElg`	`:D`
`21:38.32`	`Vailreth`	`you simply need to make an ability set. have one ability be effect damage with a TargetIsEnemy Valaditor and the other as a Create healer with a TargetIsAlly Validator`
`21:38.46`	`Helix_`	`thanks vail :)`
`21:38.47`	`Helix_`	`nice one`
`21:39.23`	`Vailreth`	`welcome.`
`21:40.02`	`Repo`	`New map: http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/red-circle-td/. Red Circle TD. Hydr00 (Manager/Author). Approved by sixen.`
`21:40.08`	`Vailreth`	`i made a unit to test the gun called Medic like Guy`
`21:40.18`	`Helix_`	`thanks`
`21:40.41`	`Helix_`	`now what I need to figure out is how to overheal the player`
`21:40.49`	`Helix_`	`via buff`
`21:41.04`	`Helix_`	`and have it drop down gradually to their normal max health`
`21:41.19`	`Vailreth`	`i have an idea for that`
`21:41.47`	`_JunioR_`	`îòñóòñòâóåò [àâòî-îòñóòñòâèå ïîñëå 15 minutes ïðîñòîÿ] ñ 12:41:43 AM`
`21:42.54`	`Thorsell`	`Helix: How about setting a higher Maxhealth from the beginning, but limit the HP to a certain value?`
`21:43.16`	`Vailreth`	`i think it would simply be a max vital bonus plus a negative hp regen that matched the hp bonus over the duration of the buff.`
`21:43.23`	`Thorsell`	`like, have the maxh to 200 but starting out on 150?`
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`21:44.38`	`Thorsell`	`it should be possible to do with a few variables`
`21:44.51`	`Helix_`	`well thors, that's what I have right now`
`21:44.52`	`mahashiro`	`hi everyone`
`21:45.02`	`Thorsell`	`Helix: aah ok`
`21:45.06`	`Helix_`	`I have starting health as 125, max health as 185`
`21:45.12`	`LuxusElg`	`i think thorsells idea would be easier to implement`
`21:45.24`	`LuxusElg`	`if you're gonna make it as close to tf2 mechanics as possible`
`21:45.31`	`Helix_`	`which I'm trying to do`
`21:45.40`	`Vailreth`	`my idea is a single buff...`
`21:45.47`	`Thorsell`	`ah`
`21:45.51`	`RoarMan`	`Hi.`
`21:45.55`	`Helix_`	`honestly I'd rather it stay with TF1/1.5's mechanics but, everyone's used to TF2 now so shrug`
`21:46.07`	`Vailreth`	`i dont know either so eh`
`21:46.12`	`Helix_`	`ok vail`
`21:46.18`	`Helix_`	`here's how the medic's gun works`
`21:46.28`	`Helix_`	`when you're say class A`
`21:46.36`	`Helix_`	`you have 125 max health normally`
`21:46.45`	`Demonette`	`OMG my marine loaded into an neutral bunker can leave any bunker of that player anywhere on the map oO`
`21:46.49`	`Thorsell`	`should be simple to implement a few variables to check if the player's HP is higher or lower than X`
`21:47.03`	`Helix_`	`when the medic is using his gun on you, it goes ahead and buffs your health up to say 185`
`21:47.08`	`RoarMan`	`Helix_ are you having trouble with the Overheal component or the health decreasing?`
`21:47.10`	`Thorsell`	`Demonette LOL`
`21:47.12`	`Helix_`	`and stays up that high until you stop`
`21:47.22`	`Helix_`	`roar, both`
`21:47.27`	`RoarMan`	`Ah ok.`
`21:47.29`	`Helix_`	`I haven't even really started on the medic yet`
`21:47.32`	`RoarMan`	`Oh XD`
`21:47.46`	`Helix_`	`my 3 main sticking chars are: Medic, Spy, and Engineer`
`21:47.48`	`RoarMan`	`Well a timer that goes off every 1 second and gives HP or Decreasese depending on a buff would help :P`
`21:47.50`	`Vailreth`	`ok i think i can add that to the gun`
`21:47.54`	`Thorsell`	`well thanks for tonigt guys, i'm off for bed now`
`21:47.58`	`LuxusElg`	`gnite`
`21:47.59`	`Helix_`	`later thors`
`21:47.59`	`RoarMan`	`Bbye Thorsell.`
`21:48.08`	`Helix_`	`lemme see if I can find you a youtube vail`
`21:48.08`	`RoarMan`	`Helix_ a Tf2 mod for Sc2 nice. I tried for Wc3 and failed :P`
`21:48.19`	`Helix_`	`yea roar`
`21:48.25`	`RoarMan`	`<3 Tf2 ^^`
`21:48.32`	`Helix_`	`http://forums.sc2mapster.com/development/project-brainstorming/1874-sc2-team-fortress-wip/`
`21:48.37`	`Helix_`	`it's coming along nicely`
`21:48.44`	`Helix_`	`all 9 classes are in the game`
`21:48.50`	`RoarMan`	`Nice.`
`21:49.01`	`Helix_`	`trying to tweak them now`
`21:49.10`	`heysparky`	`See ya Thorsell`
`21:49.12`	`Helix_`	`the soldier is about 90% there`
`21:49.17`	`LuxusElg`	`with my somewhat limited knowledge, i'd do as you did.. give them 125 starting health, 185 max health, then have the medigun work like a medivac, and just have a trigger or something constantly reduce the health of the unit if its above 125`
`21:49.18`	`Thorsell`	`bye all`
`21:49.27`	`RoarMan`	`Bbye`
`21:50.05`	`LuxusElg`	`as long as the unit is being healed, the healing will outheal the damage and keep it topped off, and as soon as it stops, the unit will slowly dwindle down to its starting hp`
`21:50.32`	`LuxusElg`	`could implement something to prevent the damage while the unit is being healed too, ofcourse`
`21:50.38`	`Demonette`	`I think i fixed it XD but was absolutly cool XD`
`21:50.44`	`LuxusElg`	`check for a healing buff`
`21:50.49`	`LuxusElg`	`or some such`
`21:52.07`	`Vailreth`	`ok i have it added and the guy works lovely`
`21:52.29`	`Vailreth`	`gun`
`21:52.43`	`Helix_`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJkVhv0rHYM&feature=related`
`21:53.10`	`Helix_`	`that's the medic gun`
`21:53.14`	`Xan`	`how do you open/edit dds files?`
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`21:54.28`	`Helix_`	`also, how easy is it to rig up a dialog/hot key setup to select which weapon to use if a unit has more than 1 weapon?`
`21:54.39`	`Helix_`	`I know how to setup hot keys but to make it so that weapon X instead of Y is being used`
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`21:55.29`	`Helix_`	`is that easy or hard?`
`21:55.47`	`LuxusElg`	`i'm very blank on that, but i would guess you could do it fairly easily with behaviors?`
`21:55.56`	`Helix_`	`hmm`
`21:56.17`	`Helix_`	`cause I saw Hydro or whoever that did those 2 videos early on had them in there`
`21:56.22`	`LuxusElg`	`don't know if you can effect different weapons with triggers, but i'm pretty sure you can swap behaviors`
`21:56.45`	`LuxusElg`	`and afaik behaviors can enable/disable weapons`
`21:56.52`	`LuxusElg`	`atleast veterancy can`
`21:57.13`	`Helix_`	`that's it!`
`21:57.15`	`Ignorance`	`Hey guys, the little thing on the bottom of the trigger editor where I can modify triggers both in grammarial and list form has disappeared, so I can only modify triggers my editing the trigger directly. How do I fix this? :P`
`21:57.20`	`Helix_`	`enabling/disabling weapons`
`21:57.25`	`Helix_`	`hmmm`
`21:57.32`	`Helix_`	`gonna mess around and figure that out tonight`
`21:57.34`	`heysparky`	`there's a toggle button`
`21:57.36`	`Helix_`	`that'll be my job tonight`
`21:57.39`	`heysparky`	`Ignorance`
`21:57.41`	`heysparky`	`on the interface`
`21:57.47`	`Ignorance`	`where?`
`21:58.12`	`heysparky`	`one of the red ones does gramamr dealio`
`21:58.19`	`Ignorance`	`thanks`
`21:58.57`	`Vailreth`	`Helix_ if you would like help with your project i would like to help.`
`21:59.14`	`heysparky`	`or, rather, list, np Ignorance`
`21:59.35`	`Alex____`	`Hello, I've been following the tutorial on hero's and I got everything working perfectly. But when I was about to add abilities at different levels I noticed that my useable items stopped working (the medipack and the droppod calldown). Ive been searching for hours and Im going crazy here! The tiems show up with counts and all but when I click them they don't seem to do anything. If anybody could help me id be ever so gratefu`
`21:59.42`	`Helix_`	`I might take you up on that Vail :)`
`22:00.16`	`LuxusElg`	`Alex____, link to tutorial? :D i'd like to follow it myself :p`
`22:00.26`	`Vailreth`	`id enjoy helping`
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`22:00.34`	`Helix_`	`yea the weapon selection was I think in here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygjkn1HIoPg&feature=player_embedded`
`22:01.12`	`heysparky`	`actually, nowt hat you mention it... my grammar sentence pane is gone...`
`22:01.38`	`Alex____`	`Luxus the link was http://www.sc2mapster.com/api-docs/getting-started-with-galaxy-edit/complete-hero/`
`22:01.45`	`LuxusElg`	`thanks`
`22:02.13`	`Alex____`	`np`
`22:03.05`	`Galois-evariste`	`Does anyone know how to change a unit's behavior? The behavior tab in Data is nice, but I want to affect how my unit's AI behaves, not how he behaves when he's using an ability`
`22:03.05`	`heysparky`	`oh hah, nvm... just didn't have enough screen realestate`
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`22:03.51`	`Vailreth`	`all i need to know is how to make a weapon auto target allies..`
`22:04.00`	`Corosus`	`anybody know if the custom map patcher is able to allow more than 4 people to actually play?`
`22:04.10`	`ubdead`	`sure`
`22:04.17`	`ubdead`	`if you can get enough people to join your party`
`22:04.28`	`Helix_`	`yea vail, that too`
`22:04.31`	`Corosus`	`ahh, hmm`
`22:04.42`	`Galois-evariste`	`wait so observers can play like normal players?`
`22:04.44`	`Helix_`	`cause this weekend my plan is to get the spy working`
`22:04.59`	`ubdead`	`didnt test it`
`22:05.00`	`LuxusElg`	`Vailreth, i'd look at the medivac`
`22:05.00`	`heysparky`	`you mean like fleeing and stuff Galois?`
`22:05.02`	`Helix_`	`and implement either 3rd or 1st person camera`
`22:05.02`	`ubdead`	`but heart it`
`22:05.16`	`ubdead`	`heard*`
`22:05.18`	`Corosus`	`yeah i was wondering if it just uses the observer spots, not sure, need to test`
`22:05.22`	`ubdead`	`heared*?`
`22:05.25`	`ubdead`	`im confused lol`
`22:05.33`	`heysparky`	`heard`
`22:05.34`	`Helix_`	`I'd love to have the medic, engineer, and spy working this weekend`
`22:05.47`	`devilesk`	`hey does anyone know why my game is crashing during loading when i try to give two units a morph ability?`
`22:06.00`	`Helix_`	`cause my goal is to have the mod in final release by the 27th of July`
`22:06.04`	`Helix_`	`including 2 maps`
`22:06.13`	`Vailreth`	`smart filters`
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`22:06.27`	`Vailreth`	`on the attack ability`
`22:07.10`	`heysparky`	`or is it hearded`
`22:07.14`	`heysparky`	`yeah, hearded`
`22:07.19`	`ubdead`	`i hate that IterateTransport doesn't work`
`22:07.39`	`Lyrrad`	`hearded?`
`22:07.52`	`heysparky`	`lol, just goofin with ubdead`
`22:07.55`	`ubdead`	`lol please don't laugh`
`22:08.24`	`heysparky`	`are you not a native english speaker ubdead?`
`22:09.39`	`ubdead`	`not at all`
`22:09.56`	`heysparky`	`wow`
`22:09.58`	`heysparky`	`good on ya`
`22:10.05`	`ubdead`	`lol thank you`
`22:10.23`	`heysparky`	`english is screwy`
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`22:10.58`	`heysparky`	`(heard is the past tense of hear)`
`22:11.18`	`ubdead`	`try Dutch grammar`
`22:11.24`	`heysparky`	`yeah? bad?`
`22:11.24`	`ubdead`	`(my native language`
`22:11.30`	`ubdead`	`ye it's horrible lol`
`22:11.31`	`rrowland`	`In dutch it's heardeded`
`22:11.35`	`heysparky`	`oh, hey, I'm married to a 1/4 dutchman`
`22:11.40`	`LuxusElg`	`english is easy compared to most european languages :D`
`22:11.42`	`LuxusElg`	`or atleast imo`
`22:11.49`	`Vailreth`	`what does the spy do in Team Fortess?`
`22:11.49`	`rrowland`	`1/4 dutchman?`
`22:11.52`	`Vailreth`	`and in 2`
`22:11.53`	`ubdead`	`yes the grammar is straightforward`
`22:11.57`	`heysparky`	`well, he's american, but his grandparents are dutch`
`22:12.05`	`Helix_`	`vail`
`22:12.16`	`ubdead`	`say "Hallo" for me ;)`
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`22:12.26`	`LuxusElg`	`Vailreth, you ought to do a youtube search for it, would explain it alot better than we could, afaik`
`22:12.34`	`Vailreth`	`ah ok..`
`22:12.35`	`Helix_`	`the spy disguises as enemy team mates, cloaks, can backstab people for 1 hit kills, can destroy engineer sentry guns, etc`
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`22:12.46`	`ubdead`	`GENTLEMEN`
`22:12.49`	`heysparky`	`rrowland - that's where I was going... I rather enjoy addig 'ededed' to past tenses`
`22:12.52`	`Helix_`	`GENTLEMENSSSSSSSS`
`22:12.53`	`Vailreth`	`ok thats what i needed to know`
`22:13.02`	`ubdead`	`he's awesome lol`
`22:13.17`	`Helix_`	`I was always a sniper in TF 1 and MegaTF 1.5`
`22:13.23`	`Helix_`	`so I hated spies`
`22:13.31`	`rrowland`	`In tf2 spies are the most fun`
`22:13.36`	`Lyrrad`	`there are no gentlemen here, just nerds and the Evil Eye Slave driver`
`22:13.40`	`Helix_`	`I tried playing TF2 for like`
`22:13.42`	`rrowland`	`But they're never used competitively`
`22:13.44`	`Helix_`	`a week`
`22:13.44`	`Galois-evariste`	`Does anyone know how to change a unit's behavior? The behavior tab in Data is nice, but I want to affect how my unit's AI behaves, not how he behaves when he's using an ability`
`22:13.56`	`Helix_`	`but never got into it like TF1`
`22:13.56`	`LuxusElg`	`i don't want to nitpick, but if you want to be accurate towards tf2 mechanics, you ought to see them in action, so you can reproduce them as closely as possible`
`22:14.03`	`Helix_`	`right`
`22:14.19`	`Helix_`	`well yea, witht he spy the only thing not in right now is the disguise`
`22:14.25`	`Vailreth`	`i just wanted to double check i thought the spys could disguise them selves so before i made a test map for that i thought i should check`
`22:14.28`	`Helix_`	`because I haven't had time to sit down and it`
`22:14.31`	`pirate`	`so I gotta question`
`22:14.42`	`Helix_`	`and make it*`
`22:14.54`	`Helix_`	`vail, I wouldn't worry about the spy disguise part`
`22:14.58`	`pirate`	`I set up an inventory/item system`
`22:14.58`	`LuxusElg`	`some changeling-like stuff could work for that`
`22:15.02`	`pirate`	`which works`
`22:15.11`	`Helix_`	`bingo luxus`
`22:15.16`	`Helix_`	`it's a modified changeling`
`22:15.29`	`Helix_`	`to where instead of doing a search, it's a sub menu that you pick from`
`22:15.37`	`pirate`	`but when trying to use an item from the inventory, it takes like 3 clicks to get it to activate (its a medipak). it appears to right click it for no apparent reason`
`22:15.40`	`pirate`	`any ideas?`
`22:15.41`	`Vailreth`	`ah..`
`22:15.47`	`heysparky`	`Evil Eye Slave Driver!? Where?`
`22:15.49`	`Helix_`	`yea, I got that taken care of vail`
`22:16.04`	`Helix_`	`Physics is the next stopping point`
`22:16.08`	`Helix_`	`ie grenades`
`22:16.09`	`Helix_`	`etc`
`22:16.20`	`Vailreth`	`that will be hard..`
`22:16.29`	`Helix_`	`yea, I've got a lot of notepad work ahead of me`
`22:17.00`	`Vailreth`	`can the spy attack while disguised and if so can the changeling thing do so ?`
`22:17.01`	`LuxusElg`	`degree in engineering?`
`22:17.10`	`Helix_`	`hah, no`
`22:17.15`	`LuxusElg`	`:D`
`22:17.17`	`Helix_`	`Digital Arts and Multimedia Design`
`22:17.25`	`LuxusElg`	`ah`
`22:17.34`	`Vailreth`	`i have a certificate in graphic design my self`
`22:17.40`	`Helix_`	`vail, yes, they can, but upon attacking or being attacked their disguise drops`
`22:17.46`	`Helix_`	`nice, you have a portfolio up?`
`22:17.58`	`Lyrrad`	`Pirate - I don't know what is wrong, but I have made items that worked with 1 click`
`22:18.03`	`Vailreth`	`sadly not online lackingt matterial for one`
`22:18.06`	`Lyrrad`	`so it is possible`
`22:18.25`	`Helix_`	`you gotta work on that one vail`
`22:18.33`	`Helix_`	`get yourself a porfolio up`
`22:18.36`	`Helix_`	`portfolio*`
`22:18.36`	`Vailreth`	`ive done posters and i have a Tiny scanner`
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`22:18.40`	`Helix_`	`ah`
`22:18.45`	`Helix_`	`kinkos`
`22:18.49`	`Vailreth`	`yeah`
`22:19.17`	`Vailreth`	`i am reteaching my self flash so i can do a flash portoflio ..`
`22:19.33`	`Helix_`	`noooooooooooooooooooooooo`
`22:19.36`	`Helix_`	`no flash`
`22:19.37`	`nicoli_s`	`fuck school :P`
`22:19.39`	`Zaratulius`	`where i can make my model larger or smaller?`
`22:19.45`	`nicoli_s`	`i dropped out at like 90% done to work at curse!`
`22:19.47`	`Vailreth`	`no flash?`
`22:19.54`	`Helix_`	`model > minimum size/maximum size`
`22:20.00`	`Zaratulius`	`thx`
`22:20.00`	`Helix_`	`no flash`
`22:20.05`	`nicoli_s`	`flash isnt too bad`
`22:20.10`	`Helix_`	`nic`
`22:20.10`	`heysparky`	`oh noes nicoli - so close`
`22:20.12`	`Vailreth`	`why no flash?`
`22:20.13`	`ubdead`	`Helix_: not really -> Zaratulius: to go Actor -> Scale`
`22:20.19`	`nicoli_s`	`yes helix?`
`22:20.23`	`Helix_`	`er yea, scale, not size`
`22:20.24`	`Helix_`	`sorry`
`22:20.26`	`nicoli_s`	`heysparky: ill finish it eventually probably :P`
`22:20.33`	`heysparky`	`:)`
`22:20.35`	`Helix_`	`Flash is bad news`
`22:20.46`	`Helix_`	`hybrid sites are alright`
`22:20.47`	`Helix_`	`but`
`22:20.52`	`nicoli_s`	`i hate coding in it, but you can do some cool stuff with it`
`22:20.59`	`nicoli_s`	`like 3d previews :)`
`22:21.08`	`ubdead`	`you guys worked with Air?`
`22:21.13`	`Helix_`	`your site isn't SEO'able at all, it's not indexable via google, it's slow, flash is buggy, not everyone has flash, etc`
`22:21.13`	`nicoli_s`	`which im still bitter everyone copied that from me and i get no credit for it :(`
`22:21.17`	`ubdead`	`or the Microsoft thing`
`22:21.25`	`Helix_`	`and nicoli, I can't view your site on my iPhone`
`22:21.28`	`ubdead`	`Silverlight`
`22:21.32`	`nicoli_s`	`ubdead: never worked with air, but silverlight is cool`
`22:21.39`	`nicoli_s`	`Helix_: which site?`
`22:21.45`	`Helix_`	`any site that's made in flash`
`22:21.46`	`nicoli_s`	`we never do more than just little widgets in flash`
`22:21.50`	`ubdead`	`i still think it's too bloated`
`22:21.50`	`nicoli_s`	`never the whole site`
`22:21.52`	`nicoli_s`	`fuck that`
`22:21.53`	`Vailreth`	`well actually i was going to distribue flash the plugin redisturbitable and portable firefox on pendrives`
`22:22.11`	`Vailreth`	`the flash portfolio i mean`
`22:22.20`	`Helix_`	`vail, you never want anyone to have to download anything in order to view your portfolio`
`22:22.29`	`Helix_`	`no crazy codecs or anything`
`22:22.42`	`Helix_`	`lemme find something`
`22:22.43`	`Helix_`	`sec`
`22:22.51`	`Fisker`	`slaps Vailreth around a bit with a large trout`
`22:22.54`	`Fisker`	`noooooo`
`22:23.05`	`Vailreth`	`true thats why i was going to be giving out pendrives with every thing needed on them in protable ,,, to adveritise my business`
`22:23.17`	`Vailreth`	`in pendrives gah`
`22:23.37`	`Helix_`	`hmm`
`22:23.52`	`Helix_`	`still not a great idea`
`22:23.54`	`Vailreth`	`all sealed fron their manufacture`
`22:24.28`	`Vailreth`	`i know a company that makes custom pendrives and will put your data on them for like 8 bucks plus the pendrive cost ..`
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`22:24.36`	`Helix_`	`right`
`22:24.38`	`Helix_`	`sec`
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`22:26.17`	`LuxusElg`	`well, i'm off.. good luck on the tf2 mod, Helix_! and gnite!`
`22:26.24`	`Helix_`	`thanks luxus`
`22:26.54`	`Helix_`	`vail`
`22:26.55`	`Helix_`	`http://www.webdesignerdepot.com/2008/12/10-characteristics-of-excellent-portfolio-sites/`
`22:27.31`	`Vailreth`	`thank you.`
`22:28.14`	`Helix_`	`but yea, never flash unless it's amazingly done and fully immersive`
`22:28.27`	`Vailreth`	`ah.`
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`22:33.30`	`Alpha_vst`	`howdy`
`22:33.35`	`Helix_`	`hey alpha`
`22:33.42`	`heysparky`	`howdy Alpha`
`22:34.24`	`ubdead`	`hellow`
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`22:35.53`	`Furyhunter`	`TradeShow/ThanksForPlayingDialog/Move`
`22:35.55`	`Furyhunter`	`TradeShow/ThanksForPlayingDialog/Title`
`22:35.59`	`Furyhunter`	`lmao, awesome`
`22:36.11`	`Helix_`	`hah`
`22:36.36`	`Alpha_vst`	`i started a new project 0.o`
`22:36.56`	`Helix_`	`oh yea?`
`22:37.13`	`Helix_`	`I dunno what I'd wanna do for another project`
`22:37.18`	`Furyhunter`	`So ModUtilityVoice is probably going to provide a bunch of generic sounds for mods`
`22:37.22`	`Helix_`	`I have a few ideas but they're REALLY hard`
`22:37.24`	`Furyhunter`	`judging by the text list`
`22:39.02`	`Furyhunter`	`...there's a bunch of AI texts as well`
`22:39.03`	`Alpha_vst`	`i need some opinions.... does this look like the ghost is drawn? or anyone have advice what more i could do to it? http://i49.tinypic.com/35b8u4w.jpg`
`22:39.09`	`Furyhunter`	`"Spotted enemy protoss building here"`
`22:39.14`	`Furyhunter`	`"Spotted enemy zerg unit here."`
`22:39.24`	`Furyhunter`	`"Spotted likely enemy proxy here."`
`22:39.25`	`Helix_`	`no, it doesn't`
`22:39.40`	`ubdead`	`is that Darth Vader?`
`22:39.42`	`Furyhunter`	`Alert/Text/AIComm*`
`22:39.43`	`Helix_`	`are you trying to go cell shaded ie borderlands?`
`22:39.49`	`Helix_`	`or look sketched?`
`22:40.06`	`Alpha_vst`	`sketched... but its not fucking easy with a ed model :P`
`22:40.14`	`Helix_`	`you need the texture`
`22:40.17`	`rrowland`	`Hmm, somewhat`
`22:40.19`	`Helix_`	`exported`
`22:40.22`	`Alpha_vst`	`i have it`
`22:40.22`	`Helix_`	`and re-imported`
`22:40.36`	`Helix_`	`what file format is it in?`
`22:40.36`	`rrowland`	`Too bad you can't apply photoshop filters :P`
`22:40.50`	`Alpha_vst`	`did you not look at the texture?`
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`22:41.00`	`Helix_`	`I've never touched the textures myself`
`22:41.05`	`Helix_`	`not on that part of my mod yet`
`22:41.24`	`rrowland`	`You mean the texture on yours alpha?`
`22:41.37`	`Helix_`	`but alpha`
`22:41.46`	`Helix_`	`can you edit the textures in photoshop?`
`22:42.08`	`Helix_`	`if so I'd go through and do it that way and just make it look cell shaded`
`22:42.08`	`Alpha_vst`	`if you didnt notice the ghost texture is edited`
`22:42.16`	`Helix_`	`ok`
`22:42.27`	`Helix_`	`send me your edited texture real quick or a link to it`
`22:42.30`	`Helix_`	`I'll take a look`
`22:42.39`	`Helix_`	`give you some advice`
`22:42.44`	`rrowland`	`Yeah it doesn't look sketched`
`22:42.48`	`Alpha_vst`	`the problem is making it sketched`
`22:42.53`	`ubdead`	`does anybody know what "Outer point/unit" refers to?`
`22:42.54`	`rrowland`	`It's got too much detail`
`22:43.07`	`Alpha_vst`	`yeah`
`22:43.22`	`Alpha_vst`	`i had a different version but it was to light :P`
`22:43.28`	`Helix_`	`alpha`
`22:43.43`	`rrowland`	`Can you make it pure white and cast heavy shadows on it?`
`22:43.50`	`Helix_`	`nah you don't want to do that`
`22:44.25`	`Helix_`	`what you prob want to do is this (since you won't send it over haha): make it so that everything is outlined`
`22:44.42`	`Helix_`	`and have the "filled in" areas filled in with hash-marks or something`
`22:44.53`	`Helix_`	`actually go in with photoshop and sketch`
`22:45.10`	`Helix_`	`really helps if you have a wacom`
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`22:45.40`	`Alpha_vst`	`i dont :P`
`22:45.45`	`Alpha_vst`	`i really do need one`
`22:45.50`	`Helix_`	`they're pretty cheap`
`22:45.53`	`Helix_`	`like $70`
`22:45.57`	`Alpha_vst`	`but im broke and i want a huge one lol`
`22:46.00`	`Helix_`	`for the entry model`
`22:46.03`	`Helix_`	`hah`
`22:46.03`	`Triceron`	`or run an overlay with sketchy lines`
`22:46.05`	`Alpha_vst`	`fuck that`
`22:46.09`	`Alpha_vst`	`its like a 4x4 pad`
`22:46.13`	`Helix_`	`dude, I use it at work`
`22:46.15`	`Helix_`	`it's totally fine`
`22:46.19`	`Alpha_vst`	`LIES`
`22:46.24`	`Helix_`	`nope`
`22:46.27`	`Helix_`	`Wacom Bamboo`
`22:46.29`	`Triceron`	`Cintiq = yum`
`22:46.38`	`Alpha_vst`	`im going to start over :P`
`22:46.45`	`Helix_`	`cte-650 is the model number ;)`
`22:47.01`	`Helix_`	`at home though I have a Intuos3 8x11`
`22:47.15`	`Helix_`	`which I got by asking for a christmas/birthday present combined`
`22:47.19`	`Alpha_vst`	`lol`
`22:47.41`	`Helix_`	`my bday's 8 days from christmas, sometimes I can get the big ticket items that way`
`22:47.53`	`Vailreth`	`i had to sell off all of my ps2 games so i could preorder sc2 stardard edtion`
`22:47.59`	`Helix_`	`ouch`
`22:48.06`	`ubdead`	`lol get a job hobo`
`22:48.12`	`Triceron`	`Alpha_vst what are you trying to do with the ghost?`
`22:48.13`	`Vailreth`	`i have a job`
`22:48.14`	`Helix_`	`pretty much hah`
`22:48.36`	`Helix_`	`he's trying to make it look drawn triceron`
`22:48.37`	`Alpha_vst`	`make it look drawn/ sketched :P`
`22:48.37`	`Vailreth`	`they just dont pay alot`
`22:48.44`	`ubdead`	`:(`
`22:48.49`	`Helix_`	`vail, you gotta get a better one haha`
`22:48.52`	`ubdead`	`marry a rich girl`
`22:48.54`	`Triceron`	`so black and white only?`
`22:49.00`	`Alpha_vst`	`yeah`
`22:49.05`	`heysparky`	`Cintiq def == yum`
`22:49.21`	`Helix_`	`although that's honestly why I'm not taking a tester job with Blizzard, because I can't afford to live off the salary :\|`
`22:49.38`	`Helix_`	`if I was single, sure thing`
`22:49.55`	`Vailreth`	`i asked for a bamboo from wacom for christmas one year and got it and three other things if id known id get the whole list id have asked for a better tablet lol`
`22:50.04`	`Helix_`	`hah`
`22:50.22`	`Helix_`	`yea, the intuos was the only thing I asked for for bday and christmas combined`
`22:50.28`	`Helix_`	`it's all I wanted`
`22:50.40`	`Helix_`	`especially after using one at work`
`22:50.45`	`Helix_`	`well my old job that is`
`22:50.59`	`Vailreth`	`i want the one that is a monitor that you can draw on and that 2500 dollar keyboard`
`22:51.14`	`Helix_`	`and plus...using zbrush with a tablet is amazing compared to a mouse`
`22:51.26`	`Helix_`	`why would you ever want that 2500 keyboard?`
`22:52.57`	`Alpha_vst`	`because its bad ass :P`
`22:53.01`	`Vailreth`	`yeah`
`22:53.05`	`Vailreth`	`http://www.artlebedev.com/everything/optimus/`
`22:53.31`	`Triceron`	`Zbrush with a mouse... I can't even fathom that :P`
`22:54.07`	`Triceron`	`that's like painting with a rolling pin`
`22:54.13`	`Alpha_vst`	`lol`
`22:54.45`	`Xan`	`anyone knows why my imported becomes white? (or more specifically why the normal map makes the texture white, since when I remove the normal map its fine)`
`22:55.01`	`Xan`	`imported texture*`
`22:55.09`	`Triceron`	`what's the size of the texture`
`22:55.12`	`Triceron`	`and what format`
`22:55.20`	`Helix_`	`xan`
`22:55.27`	`Xan`	`dds file, same size as the original texture`
`22:55.37`	`Helix_`	`is your normal map a different overlay or something?`
`22:55.48`	`Xan`	`I just changed the color of the texture and imported it`
`22:55.54`	`Triceron`	`a normal map shouldn't affect the color`
`22:55.56`	`Xan`	`the normal map is the same as before`
`22:56.02`	`Helix_`	`wait`
`22:56.14`	`Triceron`	`normal map only affects normal facing ratio - nothing to do with color maps.`
`22:56.18`	`Helix_`	`you changed the color of the regular texture to make your normal map?`
`22:56.35`	`Helix_`	`nm, I'm thinking ao pass triceron`
`22:56.39`	`Xan`	`err, I changed the color of the regular texture, then imported it, I did nothing to the normal map`
`22:56.44`	`Helix_`	`oh`
`22:56.48`	`Helix_`	`no idea`
`22:56.57`	`Xan`	`the specular makes it white I think`
`22:57.00`	`Xan`	`but I dont see why :/`
`22:57.00`	`Helix_`	`tbh I haven't even worked with model importing in SC2`
`22:57.00`	`Triceron`	`what is the size and file type of your color map`
`22:57.08`	`Xan`	`1.33mb`
`22:57.11`	`Xan`	`like before`
`22:57.13`	`Triceron`	`is it the same as the texture? 512X512?`
`22:57.26`	`Xan`	`1024x1024`
`22:57.29`	`Triceron`	`.dds?`
`22:57.31`	`Xan`	`ye`
`22:57.32`	`Helix_`	`you know that the texture maps in D3 are only 128x128? hah`
`22:57.43`	`Helix_`	`for the characters that is`
`22:57.48`	`Triceron`	`how'd you get that info?`
`22:58.00`	`Xan`	`what?`
`22:58.02`	`Triceron`	`128X is tiny`
`22:58.04`	`Helix_`	`by asking`
`22:58.20`	`Helix_`	`I know it is`
`22:58.23`	`Helix_`	`it surprised me too`
`22:58.24`	`Triceron`	`even the SC2 maps are like.. 512`
`22:58.27`	`Helix_`	`I know`
`22:58.39`	`Helix_`	`but this came from the head art recruiter at blizz`
`22:58.39`	`Triceron`	`might be LODs`
`22:58.58`	`Triceron`	`lowest resolution`
`22:59.04`	`Triceron`	`so you can hve more on screen at once`
`22:59.07`	`Helix_`	`I dunno, that's what he said`
`22:59.19`	`heysparky`	`Kenny?`
`22:59.20`	`Helix_`	`cause I was asking what polycounts and whatnot they work with`
`22:59.21`	`Helix_`	`yea`
`22:59.23`	`Triceron`	`okay Xan`
`22:59.24`	`Helix_`	`Kenny`
`22:59.24`	`Triceron`	`try this`
`22:59.38`	`Triceron`	`save your map`
`22:59.40`	`Triceron`	`reload it`
`22:59.52`	`Triceron`	`because sometimes the editor is buggy when you swap textures`
`22:59.57`	`Triceron`	`you need to reload the editor for it to show up`
`23:00.20`	`Triceron`	`Kenny?`
`23:00.26`	`heysparky`	`art recruiter`
`23:00.31`	`Triceron`	`oh`
`23:00.38`	`Helix_`	`Karvalo or whatever his name is`
`23:00.49`	`Helix_`	`he's a good guy`
`23:01.12`	`Triceron`	`Mmm, blizzcon tix June 2nd`
`23:01.19`	`Triceron`	`gonna be a 5 second sellout :P`
`23:01.19`	`Helix_`	`yea...not going`
`23:01.29`	`Helix_`	`either gonna buy tix and re-sell em on ebay`
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`23:01.40`	`heysparky`	`lol`
`23:01.44`	`Triceron`	`that's what everyone's gonna do`
`23:01.45`	`Helix_`	`and or get the live stream via internet`
`23:01.53`	`Jcup`	`Herrrrooo`
`23:01.54`	`Xan`	`didnt fix, on normal camera its almost all white because of the specular, but when I rotate the camera down it gets very shadowy`
`23:01.55`	`Triceron`	`sell the WoW pet`
`23:02.13`	`Helix_`	`eh`
`23:02.15`	`Helix_`	`I might`
`23:02.26`	`heysparky`	`Howdy Jcup`
`23:02.30`	`Helix_`	`xan, your specular is too high`
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`23:02.48`	`Xan`	`well how?`
`23:02.49`	`Xan`	`:/`
`23:02.53`	`Xan`	`I didnt change the normal map at all`
`23:02.59`	`Helix_`	`the value is too high on your specular map`
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`23:03.13`	`Xan`	`uh there is a specual map too?`
`23:03.13`	`Xan`	`^^`
`23:03.26`	`Xan`	`where?`
`23:03.26`	`Helix_`	`"didnt fix, on normal camera its almost all white because of the specular"`
`23:03.55`	`Xan`	`didnt find a specular map`
`23:04.15`	`Helix_`	`xan`
`23:04.20`	`Helix_`	`[16:01] <Xan> didnt fix, on normal camera its almost all white because of the specular, but when I rotate the camera down it gets very shadowy`
`23:04.26`	`Helix_`	`then what are you talking about?`
`23:04.43`	`Xan`	`there is only normal map and texture, how do I edit the specular?`
`23:04.51`	`Xan`	`the only thing I did was change the color of the texture`
`23:04.52`	`Xan`	`:/`
`23:05.01`	`Xan`	`didnt know the specular would change`
`23:05.11`	`Helix_`	`what'd you change the color from and to?`
`23:05.12`	`Triceron`	`what are you editing?`
`23:05.14`	`Triceron`	`what unit`
`23:05.19`	`Xan`	`terrain texture`
`23:05.21`	`Triceron`	`or building doodad whatever`
`23:05.29`	`Xan`	`concrete from gray to more asphalt-color`
`23:05.35`	`Alpha_vst`	`ok.... http://i49.tinypic.com/2aexg7d.jpg does that look better?`
`23:06.04`	`Triceron`	`looks grittier, but doens't look hand drawn. Though I don't know what kind of handdrawn look you're going for`
`23:06.05`	`rrowland`	`Doesn't look sketched`
`23:06.07`	`Helix_`	`doesn't look draqn at all`
`23:06.08`	`rrowland`	`Just black and white`
`23:06.10`	`Helix_`	`drawn`
`23:06.15`	`Helix_`	`exactly`
`23:06.25`	`Triceron`	`do you have a reference pic of what your goal is?`
`23:06.36`	`Triceron`	`like.. Street fighter 4's crosshatch? Okami?`
`23:06.40`	`Triceron`	`cel shaded?`
`23:06.48`	`Helix_`	`alpha, think outlines, cross hatching and whit`
`23:06.53`	`Helix_`	`whatnot*`
`23:06.58`	`Alpha_vst`	`im getting there :P`
`23:07.04`	`Helix_`	`well to be honest`
`23:07.07`	`Helix_`	`you're not`
`23:07.08`	`Helix_`	`haha`
`23:07.09`	`Triceron`	`I wanna know if they'll have support for crosshatch shaders`
`23:07.12`	`Vailreth`	`i hate to say this but Alpha that looks like like Darth Vader went Rambo`
`23:07.25`	`Triceron`	`cuz if they do`
`23:07.33`	`Helix_`	`anyway, I'm out`
`23:07.37`	`Alpha_vst`	`i know its hard to not make it look shitty in game and get what i want :P`
`23:07.38`	`Triceron`	`you can just toss in crosshatching texture into a 'shading' material`
`23:07.42`	`Triceron`	`then all the light will do it automatically`
`23:07.49`	`Helix_`	`time to head home from work`
`23:07.53`	`Triceron`	`but it's kinda hard to do on the actual color map`
`23:07.55`	`heysparky`	`http://dl.dropbox.com/u/6609857/2aexg7d.jpg lol`
`23:08.04`	`Triceron`	`cuz it's such a small texture map and you're adding fine lines`
`23:08.08`	`Jcup`	`lol`
`23:08.10`	`Helix_`	`even that looks better`
`23:08.20`	`Alpha_vst`	`that looks shitty :P`
`23:08.29`	`Helix_`	`that looks DRAWN though`
`23:08.40`	`Helix_`	`compared to yours`
`23:08.45`	`Helix_`	`anyway, adios`
`23:08.48`	`Alpha_vst`	`yeah...`
`23:08.48`	`Triceron`	`looks borderlandsish`
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`23:09.01`	`Helix_`	`borderlands is prob where you wanna look`
`23:09.01`	`heysparky`	`gnigh Helix`
`23:09.02`	`Xan`	`how would I change the specular on a terrain texture?`
`23:09.08`	`Swarovski`	`hi guys!`
`23:09.13`	`heysparky`	`Was a lark, Alpha`
`23:09.18`	`Triceron`	`you need a spec map`
`23:09.21`	`Swarovski`	`omg, it's full of noobs :)`
`23:09.23`	`Swarovski`	`just kidding`
`23:09.23`	`heysparky`	`hoowdy Swarovski`
`23:09.24`	`Swarovski`	`<3`
`23:10.00`	`Xan`	`all the existing terrain textures dont seem to have a spec map`
`23:10.02`	`Xan`	`its strange :/`
`23:10.23`	`Swarovski`	`how can I get beta key?`
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`23:10.30`	`heysparky`	`there are contests`
`23:10.35`	`Furyhunter`	`You're too late, if you haven't preordered yet`
`23:10.45`	`Furyhunter`	`Other than that, yeah, contests and invite-a-friends`
`23:10.59`	`Xan`	`beta runs out soon`
`23:11.07`	`Furyhunter`	`well, the first phase does`
`23:11.10`	`Vailreth`	`yeah...`
`23:11.20`	`Furyhunter`	`and I'm starting to think that yeah`
`23:11.20`	`Swarovski`	`well i got to this link`
`23:11.23`	`Furyhunter`	`map publishing in phase 2`
`23:11.24`	`Swarovski`	`trough curse newslettter`
`23:11.27`	`Furyhunter`	`stress test`
`23:11.32`	`Vailreth`	`i wonder if will we atleast be able to contiue testing our maps and mods`
`23:11.34`	`Swarovski`	`they said they are giving away some`
`23:11.37`	`Furyhunter`	`yes Vailreth`
`23:11.41`	`Xan`	`offline, Vailreth`
`23:11.43`	`Furyhunter`	`not like our clients would be bombed from working`
`23:11.46`	`Vailreth`	`thats good.`
`23:12.06`	`Motive`	`How are other people handling strafing movement or backwards movement with keyboard-based movement systems?`
`23:12.16`	`Motive`	`I've written my own and I've gotten jumping, and all the other possible combinations working nicely.`
`23:12.24`	`Furyhunter`	`blizzard probably has it in mind to have people build up their maps during the downtime`
`23:12.27`	`Vailreth`	`man i hope for a publishing patch this week i need and i mean NEED to test my mod ...`
`23:12.31`	`Furyhunter`	`do private testing when the servers come back up`
`23:12.38`	`Furyhunter`	`and then publicly release to test the custom games system`
`23:13.50`	`Furyhunter`	`I'm excited`
`23:13.55`	`Furyhunter`	`even if the next patch doesn't have publishing`
`23:14.11`	`Furyhunter`	`3v3/4v4 will allow my friends and I to finally play ALL together`
`23:14.21`	`Furyhunter`	`whilst doing typical 1v1 and 2v2 testing`
`23:14.32`	`Furyhunter`	`it'll be key in getting some of them to preorder`
`23:15.45`	`Swarovski`	`how much does the game costs?`
`23:15.57`	`Furyhunter`	`$60`
`23:16.00`	`Swarovski`	`wow`
`23:16.04`	`Furyhunter`	`and $100 for the collector's edition`
`23:16.09`	`Swarovski`	`is it worth it?`
`23:16.11`	`Furyhunter`	`it IS worth it though, unlike other games`
`23:16.19`	`Swarovski`	`hopefully`
`23:16.28`	`Swarovski`	`I don't have that kind of money at the mommen`
`23:16.30`	`Swarovski`	`t`
`23:16.37`	`Furyhunter`	`between the 28 mission non-linear campaign, challenge mode, ladder multiplayer and custom games`
`23:16.40`	`Furyhunter`	`it will be well worth it.`
`23:17.01`	`Furyhunter`	`as opposed to other games basically having a 6 hour campaign and simple matchmade multiplayer at the $60 price`
`23:17.03`	`Furyhunter`	`coughs`
`23:17.06`	`Furyhunter`	`MODERN WARFARE 2`
`23:17.07`	`Furyhunter`	`who said what`
`23:17.28`	`heysparky`	`MW2 booo`
`23:17.48`	`Furyhunter`	`i'm pissed off at teknogods for dropping their projects because blizzard got pissy with them`
`23:17.58`	`heysparky`	`fun gameplay, great tense exciting moments, terrrrrrrible story`
`23:18.21`	`Furyhunter`	`story was too movie-like, no depth at all`
`23:18.30`	`Swarovski`	`insane`
`23:18.34`	`Furyhunter`	`it wasn't BAD, but it just wasn't deep`
`23:18.35`	`heysparky`	`don't want to get into spoilers`
`23:18.41`	`Swarovski`	`i hope curse gives us beta keys`
`23:18.51`	`heysparky`	`curse gives out keys for entering contests`
`23:18.56`	`heysparky`	`right?`
`23:18.58`	`Swarovski`	`nope`
`23:19.01`	`Swarovski`	`give away`
`23:19.05`	`Furyhunter`	`well`
`23:19.06`	`Swarovski`	`i just read it in newsletter`
`23:19.06`	`ubdead`	`yea or commenting on the site lol`
`23:19.10`	`Furyhunter`	`nibbits is doing a giveaway`
`23:19.10`	`Swarovski`	`yes`
`23:19.16`	`Triceron`	`beta stops at May 31st for like 2-3 weeks tho`
`23:19.17`	`Furyhunter`	`but I don't know what the relationship between nibbits and here is`
`23:19.28`	`Triceron`	`so even if you get a key, you get to play for like... a week?`
`23:19.29`	`Swarovski`	`well i got this irc channel trough curse`
`23:19.36`	`Triceron`	`then... another week when servers come back on?`
`23:19.41`	`Swarovski`	`enough for me :D`
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`23:19.43`	`ubdead`	`i think the admins of the sites are friends`
`23:19.48`	`Swarovski`	`so i can write an article about it on my blog`
`23:20.01`	`Furyhunter`	`not a big fan of curse but mapster's community is great`
`23:20.12`	`Triceron`	`it's good so far`
`23:20.18`	`heysparky`	`yeah, so far`
`23:20.24`	`ubdead`	`implying`
`23:20.26`	`heysparky`	`you're borderline Fury... squint`
`23:20.27`	`davidcramer`	`nibbits and curse are like friendly competitors ;P`
`23:20.42`	`ubdead`	`meaning nibbits is mapsters bitch`
`23:20.50`	`davidcramer`	`ubdead: areyou kidding me?`
`23:20.53`	`Xan`	`hmm, thats weird... when you check terrain textures in the data editor they appear to be specular maps, but when you export them and open in e.g. photoshop they appear as real textures, the specular and texture are together?`
`23:20.55`	`ubdead`	`yes i am lol`
`23:21.00`	`davidcramer`	`meaning nibbits is 2 years older than mapster :)`
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`23:21.30`	`Furyhunter`	`there's no competition when blizzard dominates the distribution channels`
`23:21.39`	`davidcramer`	`Furyhunter: ya we'll see what they do`
`23:22.09`	`davidcramer`	`can someone send me a patch 12 replay real quick`
`23:22.12`	`ubdead`	`Nibbits is a brand of crisps in this country lol`
`23:22.15`	`Furyhunter`	`communication and informational services are what outside map sources will be able to do`
`23:22.20`	`davidcramer`	`ubdead: ya i heard about that haha`
`23:22.31`	`Furyhunter`	`other than that`
`23:22.31`	`davidcramer`	`Furyhunter: i doubt blizzard will do that good of a job at UI`
`23:22.33`	`davidcramer`	`they never do`
`23:22.33`	`Triceron`	`Hiveworkshop SC2 community makes me cry tears of blood`
`23:22.34`	`Furyhunter`	`everything will be through battle.net`
`23:22.40`	`Furyhunter`	`well`
`23:22.43`	`davidcramer`	`which means everything will still have a place`
`23:22.47`	`Furyhunter`	`theoretically maps will be launchable in single player`
`23:22.51`	`Furyhunter`	`without going through bnet`
`23:22.57`	`Furyhunter`	`for offline play, but still`
`23:23.23`	`Furyhunter`	`might as well just encourage distribution through battle.net itself instead`
`23:23.31`	`Furyhunter`	`to prevent people from gaining credit for what isn't their work`
`23:23.37`	`Furyhunter`	`anyways i have to prepare for a band concert`
`23:24.04`	`davidcramer`	`Furyhunter: im sure i could still take credit for someone elses work :)`
`23:24.27`	`ubdead`	`Furyhunter: have fun`
`23:24.34`	`ubdead`	`who cares about credit`
`23:24.39`	`ubdead`	`it's about making good maps`
`23:24.58`	`Furyhunter`	`well as i recall that was a rather big issue in wc3 ums`
`23:25.07`	`davidcramer`	`its always an issue`
`23:25.09`	`davidcramer`	`and still will be I think`
`23:25.11`	`Furyhunter`	`with there being fifteen thousand different versions of the same map labeled exactly the same`
`23:25.14`	`ubdead`	`if you want credit, join the fire fighters and save babies from burning buildings about to collapse`
`23:25.17`	`Furyhunter`	`but with minor differentiations`
`23:25.22`	`heysparky`	`lol`
`23:25.34`	`heysparky`	`ubdead :)`
`23:25.57`	`Swarovski`	`so some of you guys are map developers?`
`23:26.15`	`rrowland`	`Yeah... Some of us`
`23:26.16`	`ubdead`	`euh, about 90% but only 10% has a clue what he's doing`
`23:26.16`	`Jcup`	`Jepp :D`
`23:26.18`	`Xan`	`rofl`
`23:26.29`	`Swarovski`	`that's cool`
`23:26.38`	`Swarovski`	`i should stick around on this channel than`
`23:26.44`	`Furyhunter`	`I made some stuff but I don't want to release it yet`
`23:26.44`	`ubdead`	`definitly`
`23:26.51`	`Swarovski`	`if you make a map that's kick ass, than you need someone to promote it :P`
`23:26.55`	`Furyhunter`	`A basic tower defense and a decently robust single player mission`
`23:27.00`	`Swarovski`	`make DOTA!`
`23:27.05`	`ubdead`	`cmon.. dota lol`
`23:27.06`	`Jcup`	`lol`
`23:27.07`	`Xan`	`no way lol`
`23:27.13`	`Jcup`	`How original :D`
`23:27.14`	`Swarovski`	`why not ? :P`
`23:27.19`	`Xan`	`it sucks`
`23:27.34`	`ubdead`	`because about 400000000 other people will make a Dota (and they will all suck)`
`23:27.37`	`Swarovski`	`200k of HON players think different`
`23:27.39`	`Jcup`	`Lol somebody will make it, its just matter of time yeah`
`23:27.46`	`rrowland`	`You're right`
`23:27.49`	`heysparky`	`It's gonna be great fun, come on`
`23:27.51`	`rrowland`	`And those 200k players... play HoN`
`23:27.52`	`heysparky`	`whoever does it right`
`23:28.01`	`ubdead`	`well somebody has to get it right, thats true`
`23:28.09`	`ubdead`	`DotA concept is fun`
`23:28.09`	`Swarovski`	`well eventually`
`23:28.10`	`heysparky`	`and yeah, there'll be a gazillion 'dotas' that stink`
`23:28.14`	`heysparky`	`and the best will rise`
`23:28.20`	`ubdead`	`true dat`
`23:28.21`	`Furyhunter`	`eww, dota`
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`23:28.24`	`ubdead`	`AMEN BROTHER`
`23:28.25`	`heysparky`	`lol`
`23:28.25`	`Jcup`	`A dual TO THE DEAF`
`23:28.28`	`heysparky`	`I'm terrible at dota`
`23:28.30`	`heysparky`	`MP`
`23:28.32`	`Furyhunter`	`duel`
`23:28.36`	`Jcup`	`duel* lol I failed`
`23:28.39`	`Xan`	`dota pretty much ruined the wc3 community`
`23:28.42`	`heysparky`	`power to the single-player campaigns!`
`23:29.01`	`rrowland`	`So... damaging a unit for a variable amount via triggers, but attributing the damage to a player or unit...`
`23:29.10`	`Galois-evariste`	`Hey guys`
`23:29.13`	`Galois-evariste`	`i'm getting an error when i try to save`
`23:29.14`	`Galois-evariste`	`need help`
`23:29.23`	`Galois-evariste`	`Unable to move existing archive (The process cannot access the file because it is being used by another process.): filepathhere`
`23:29.24`	`TheLaughingMan`	`I am going to do a video tutorial on writing custom scripts via triggers`
`23:29.33`	`Galois-evariste`	`but the editor is the only program opening it`
`23:29.37`	`depthsofchaos`	`you screwed up importing probably :o`
`23:29.37`	`Xan`	`Galois-evariste, you use dropbox?`
`23:29.48`	`TheLaughingMan`	`I figured out how to do everything else`
`23:29.49`	`Galois-evariste`	`i don't know what that is so probably not`
`23:30.00`	`depthsofchaos`	`did you import files`
`23:30.02`	`Xan`	`try saving it in a different filename`
`23:30.03`	`Galois-evariste`	`yes i did`
`23:30.03`	`Xan`	`:P`
`23:30.19`	`Xan`	`different filename should work 99% of the time`
`23:30.28`	`Galois-evariste`	`wtfuuuu`
`23:30.30`	`Galois-evariste`	`my sound imports are gone!`
`23:30.37`	`Jcup`	`D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D::`
`23:30.51`	`Jcup`	`U broke it :o`
`23:30.57`	`Xan`	`I have question: anyone imported custom/edited terrain textures and can give a hand?`
`23:31.29`	`Galois-evariste`	`depths - how do i get this to save`
`23:31.37`	`Galois-evariste`	`i re-imported but i'm still getting the error`
`23:31.51`	`Xan`	`Galois-evariste tried saving with a different name?`
`23:31.53`	`depthsofchaos`	`duno maybe you have something pointing at non existent imports`
`23:32.04`	`Galois-evariste`	`fuuuu`
`23:32.08`	`depthsofchaos`	`but when i got it i had to close the program`
`23:32.18`	`Galois-evariste`	`yes saving with a different name works but i still don't know what the problem is`
`23:32.23`	`depthsofchaos`	`thankfuly i save every second by hand and never looase anything :p`
`23:32.38`	`Xan`	`well save it in a different name, then just close/open the editor and it should work`
`23:32.39`	`Galois-evariste`	`i do as well`
`23:32.40`	`Furyhunter`	`why not use automatic backups`
`23:32.41`	`Xan`	`who cares what the problem was :D`
`23:32.41`	`Galois-evariste`	`it just came up weird`
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`23:33.02`	`Galois-evariste`	`that's a stupid thing to say`
`23:34.15`	`Swarovski`	`when is SC2 going live?`
`23:34.23`	`Xan`	`end of july`
`23:34.24`	`ubdead`	`26 juni`
`23:34.33`	`ubdead`	`i think lol`
`23:34.36`	`Xan`	`july`
`23:34.42`	`ubdead`	`oh right`
`23:34.47`	`rrowland`	`Are the files you imported sound files?`
`23:35.02`	`Galois-evariste`	`oaky this is crazy`
`23:35.08`	`Galois-evariste`	`problem:`
`23:35.21`	`heysparky`	`Auhust I heard`
`23:35.24`	`heysparky`	`-h +g`
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`23:35.31`	`Furyhunter`	`july 27th is the official launch date`
`23:35.31`	`Galois-evariste`	`changing default sounds both erases the entire import list and causes an error in saving`
`23:35.43`	`Galois-evariste`	`question: wtfuuuuuuu`
`23:35.43`	`Furyhunter`	`I have not doubt in my mind the actual servs will be up before`
`23:36.23`	`ubdead`	`god putting all these effect together is like a giant puzzle`
`23:36.33`	`rrowland`	`If you're doing stuff with sounds in the data editor there's a bug that will make it so you can't overwrite your map`
`23:38.27`	`Jcup`	`thats a scary bug`
`23:38.31`	`Jcup`	`o.o`
`23:39.17`	`Galois-evariste`	`holy shit`
`23:39.27`	`Galois-evariste`	`i'm not able to alter my units' default sounds`
`23:40.52`	`depthsofchaos`	`does anyone know how to make light source and interiors of buildings/etc?`
`23:41.05`	`heysparky`	`no on interiors`
`23:41.06`	`Alpha_vst`	`http://i48.tinypic.com/qzrvhw.jpg 3rd times a charm?`
`23:41.16`	`heysparky`	`there are some omni light doodads tho`
`23:41.30`	`depthsofchaos`	`but those are static right?`
`23:41.37`	`heysparky`	`hmmm yeah`
`23:41.40`	`Jcup`	`lol what are doing to them Alpha?`
`23:41.46`	`heysparky`	`you can move the lightsource`
`23:41.51`	`Jcup`	`It looks like u tore there eyes out ha`
`23:41.55`	`heysparky`	`and hte shadows slide`
`23:41.57`	`Alpha_vst`	`you can make it a unit.....`
`23:42.04`	`Alpha_vst`	`I did i have to fix it :P`
`23:42.13`	`depthsofchaos`	`but if i hide the doodad and want only the light i cant do that:o`
`23:42.14`	`Jcup`	`Brutal o.o`
`23:42.55`	`Alpha_vst`	`wouldnt let me save with the alpha channel :P`
`23:42.56`	`heysparky`	`I meant the world lightsource`
`23:42.56`	`heysparky`	`though that may not work for interirors`
`23:43.00`	`Alpha_vst`	`so does that looked drawn guys? or it it not enough?`
`23:43.05`	`heysparky`	`interirors`
`23:43.10`	`heysparky`	`interiors`
`23:43.10`	`heysparky`	`geeze`
`23:43.29`	`heysparky`	`how close will you be to it Alpha?`
`23:43.39`	`heysparky`	`if far away, I want to see that screenshot`
`23:43.49`	`Alpha_vst`	`probably normal game view`
`23:44.00`	`heysparky`	`no reason to look at him up close then :)`
`23:44.31`	`Alpha_vst`	`does it look more right?`
`23:45.10`	`rrowland`	`That one looks a lot closer to being drawn`
`23:45.18`	`rrowland`	`It actually looks painted though, not drawn`
`23:45.26`	`heysparky`	`yes`
`23:45.39`	`heysparky`	`it looks like the oil painting or watercolor filter`
`23:45.50`	`heysparky`	`(whereas, I used the ink sketch filter)`
`23:46.14`	`Swarovski`	`hey guys thanks for answering me the question about when sc is going live`
`23:46.17`	`rrowland`	`I don't know how it would turn out but you could take the texture into photoshop and just apply a giant crosshatch filter`
`23:46.17`	`Alpha_vst`	`http://i46.tinypic.com/2wqepdu.jpg`
`23:46.21`	`Swarovski`	`i alt tabed after, but have read now`
`23:46.30`	`Swarovski`	`so thanks <3`
`23:46.47`	`heysparky`	`but the point is - if you're going to be viewing him from far away, how he looks up close is just an indulgence`
`23:46.48`	`rrowland`	`The colors are too solid from that far away`
`23:46.53`	`pirate`	`is there any way to make items stack in a unit inventory? So if an item drops in stacks of 1, but can stack in inventory to 10 to save space?`
`23:47.00`	`heysparky`	`he has to read as 'drawn' from game view`
`23:47.04`	`heysparky`	`if that's your goal`
`23:47.30`	`Triceron`	`looks better Alpha_vst`
`23:48.00`	`heysparky`	`oh, heh, didn't see your new pic`
`23:48.01`	`heysparky`	`lol`
`23:48.02`	`Jcup`	`alpha his face looks like darth vader :3`
`23:48.21`	`Jcup`	`Just a little meleted`
`23:48.23`	`ubdead`	`thats what i said lol`
`23:48.27`	`Jcup`	`OMG i cant type`
`23:48.30`	`Jcup`	`melted*`
`23:48.32`	`Jcup`	`haha xD`
`23:48.34`	`heysparky`	`yeah, that looks a bit closer Alpha`
`23:48.39`	`Alpha_vst`	`i know i know darth vader what ever :P`
`23:48.44`	`heysparky`	`just as a lark, try the ink sketch filter`
`23:48.46`	`Jcup`	`haha xD`
`23:48.58`	`heysparky`	`if you're going for cel shaded`
`23:49.08`	`Jcup`	`U should give him a deep breathing sound :D`
`23:49.10`	`heysparky`	`it has those greaat dark lines`
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`23:49.48`	`Alpha_vst`	`not really going for cel shaded :P but what ever`
`23:49.52`	`heysparky`	`ah`
`23:50.10`	`heysparky`	`I thought you said illustrated earlier, I always jump straight to cel shaded`
`23:50.19`	`heysparky`	`when I hear that`
`23:50.54`	`Jcup`	`Illustrated makes me think of Borderlands`
`23:51.08`	`Jcup`	`but thats just me :P`
`23:51.22`	`Alpha_vst`	`just want it to look like its from a piece of paper :P`
`23:51.35`	`Alpha_vst`	`as much as possible`
`23:51.42`	`Jcup`	`yeah Borderlands actually used their handdrawn artwork`
`23:51.51`	`heysparky`	`Borderlands is cel shaded :)`
`23:51.58`	`Alpha_vst`	`yeah`
`23:52.15`	`Jcup`	`it has the style but if u look at the texture its drawn :D`
`23:52.24`	`Jcup`	`Atleast it looks like it`
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`23:52.44`	`Jcup`	`and from what ive hearded`
`23:53.19`	`heysparky`	`like sketches come to life?`
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`23:54.06`	`Alpha_vst`	`so should i really worry about it?`
`23:54.21`	`Alpha_vst`	`or work on it more? :P`
`23:54.33`	`Jcup`	`offtopic but uh do u guys know how to shift click patrol spots for a unit through triggers... for example make it run in a circle/Square using 4 points or more when I try and do it actually goes back and fourth between each one instead of a continuous flow`
`23:54.42`	`Alpha_vst`	`i have like a bunch of other shit to texture lol`
`23:54.51`	`Linera`	`Anyone know how to make smooth mouse look?`
`23:54.57`	`heysparky`	`will you be pencil-drawing-effect-i-fying other textures?`
`23:54.59`	`depthsofchaos`	`wow its really incredible how much you can change the game just by ligthing :o`
`23:55.13`	`depthsofchaos`	`which option changes the sun angle?:O`
`23:55.15`	`Alpha_vst`	`every unit will look like the ghost....`
`23:55.31`	`Jcup`	`depthofchaos i agree, uhh like theres 3 different angle things`
`23:55.50`	`Jcup`	`just toy with each on to change the angle of the sun`
`23:55.50`	`rrowland`	`I'm a perfectionist so I'd continue with the ghost texture until it looks how I want it to`
`23:55.56`	`heysparky`	`window > lighting > key -- move the green dot`
`23:56.01`	`rrowland`	`Then for the rest of the textures I know what to do to make them the same`
`23:56.05`	`depthsofchaos`	`thx`
`23:56.07`	`Linera`	`Anyone know how to make smooth mouse look with pan being used?`
`23:56.14`	`heysparky`	`right`
`23:56.17`	`Alpha_vst`	`so am i lol`
`23:56.20`	`heysparky`	`I was going to suggest rrowland's`
`23:56.20`	`rrowland`	`You can't use pan and mouselook linera`
`23:56.23`	`heysparky`	`method`
`23:56.37`	`rrowland`	`Pan disables user's camera input`
`23:56.39`	`heysparky`	`because if it's a process, then getting the process right`
`23:56.43`	`heysparky`	`would be good to do`
`23:56.55`	`Linera`	`i did Camera - Pan the camera for player Player to (Position of Unit) over 0.0 seconds with 0% initial velocity, 30% deceleration, and Do Not use smart panning`
`23:57.03`	`Linera`	`and it works but very jerky`
`23:57.11`	`Linera`	`how can i fix it?`
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`23:57.17`	`rrowland`	`By not using pan`
`23:57.35`	`Linera`	`so how can I keep the camera on the unit without using pan?`
`23:57.36`	`Jcup`	`uh do u guys know how to shift click patrol spots for a unit through triggers... for example make it run in a circle/Square using 4 points or more when I try and do it actually goes back and fourth between each one instead of a continuous flow`
`23:57.54`	`rrowland`	`Attach a tiny region to the unit and update the camera bounds to it every 0.0 seconds`
`23:58.19`	`Linera`	`and that makes it smooth?`
`23:58.27`	`rrowland`	`A lot smoother than pan`
`23:58.31`	`Linera`	`ok`
`23:58.36`	`Linera`	`let me test it`
`23:58.52`	`Linera`	`would each unit need its own region?`
`23:59.09`	`rrowland`	`Every unit that is going to be followed by a camera`
`23:59.38`	`heysparky`	`but, Alhpa, if the ghosts will all share a texture and you can work on other stuff and come back to it, may do you some good to move on for a bit`
`23:59.56`	`heysparky`	`(meaning, other stuff that doesn't require looking illustrated)`

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