IRC log for #sc2mapster on 20100513

00:00.02RingBeareryeah
00:00.07Rectifierbut his alchemy makes no fking sense
00:00.08StatcommHe's the manliest thing ever.
00:00.28RingBearerI never rememeber any of the names, but Simon... But yeah...
00:00.29NeoDeathXphey guys
00:00.34Rectifiermake a spark turn into a huge flame? using what fuel huh?
00:00.35ubdeadFeeling hot-hot-hot
00:00.38StatcommMustang's does actually. Fire is really the phenomenon of heat that absorbs oxygen
00:00.43ubdeadthe air
00:00.47AzuRectifier its alchemy
00:00.50Azuno fuel needed
00:00.56ubdeadhe uses oxygene
00:01.02ubdeadi'm sure of it
00:01.05Azuyeah
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00:01.11Rectifierfire is a complex chemical reaction, he either needs fuel or a means of bypassing it
00:01.25Azuturns oxygin to some kind of gas?
00:01.27StatcommHe probably bypasses it by using whatever other aerial molecules there are
00:01.30Rectifierlike heating air up so much that it spontaneously combusts
00:01.32Azuthat explodes?
00:01.34ubdeadoxigene is a gas
00:01.37Azuso? :P
00:01.44Azuchanges it to another gas? :p
00:01.44RingBearergah... stupid dialog boxes
00:01.50Rectifierthe only gas in the air that would burn
00:01.55StatcommI know oxygene feeds fire, I'm not sure if it's combustible
00:01.58StatcommC02 in the air though
00:02.01Rectifierwould be the hydrogen in water vapor
00:02.03StatcommYou can probably combust that
00:02.24ubdeadeverything is combustible
00:02.31StatcommBurn water :P
00:02.34ubdeadyou can
00:02.38StatcommYou can?
00:02.43AzuWITH OIL?
00:02.46ubdeadwell in theory
00:02.57Rectifieroxygen doesn't burn :/
00:02.58ubdeadyou would have to faporize is so thin
00:03.00StatcommWell the oil is above the water and it's burning, doesn't mean the actual water is burning lol
00:03.04ubdeadit would combust
00:03.11StatcommNo no, water is inorganic
00:03.12Alpha_vsthttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNTLo7-Jkl8
00:03.15Alpha_vstWATER BURNING
00:03.16StatcommIt can't combust.
00:03.16AzuStatcomm just mix it? :P
00:03.23StatcommCan't mix water and oil
00:03.29Rectifierwater has strong hydrogen bonds, it wouldn't just burn spontaneously
00:03.30Azui can
00:03.54ubdeadwell as i said
00:03.58ubdeadin theory
00:04.08Rectifierrofl, i just heard the metallica song Seek and Destroy on the television without any lyrics as a commercial
00:04.28StatcommWow burning water
00:04.42Statcommlol
00:04.53Arthas-Rectifier you dont happen to have the oil pic
00:04.56Arthas-i cant find it :\
00:05.00Azuhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kclY30LCeOs
00:05.03Arthas-i need to re-create my entire spice & wolf collection
00:05.15Rectifiersadly no my friend, you'll have to search for it
00:05.34ubdeadazumanga daioh has the best opening ever
00:05.40Azuhaha
00:05.41StatcommNo way
00:05.45StatcommLucky Star has best OP
00:05.51ubdeadso freaking random lol
00:06.15Mojachewhats the main UI frame called?
00:06.17Azuhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EhjhjVpaAVk lucky star awesomeness
00:06.19Dest1nyany knows wat makes a structure selectable?
00:06.20Mojachethe one with all the buttons and such for units
00:06.34ubdeadcheck the unit flags destiny
00:06.42Alpha_vstafk
00:06.44ubdead"selectable" is one of them
00:07.08Statcommlmfao
00:07.10StatcommRestore:meat.
00:07.13Azu:p
00:07.14ubdeadNOM NOM NOM
00:07.18Rectifierlove hina is such a stupid harem anime
00:07.27Azu:p
00:08.05Arthas-anyone sits on complete spice & wolf manga
00:08.08Arthas-s01 + s02
00:08.11Arthas-w decent internet
00:08.15Azunope
00:08.15Arthas-mkv
00:08.19Azuat both
00:08.23Arthas-34 kB / s
00:08.24Arthas-:z
00:08.27Azubut i think my bro has s1 and s2
00:08.31Dest1nyunselectable is unchecked... did i miss anything?
00:08.35Azu~20mb/s upload
00:08.37Arthas-FOUND IT
00:08.41Arthas-http://rule34.paheal.net/post/view/261504#search=Horo
00:08.42Arthas-THAR
00:08.45Rectifierprobably not destiny, that sounds right
00:08.55Arthas-some would call that nsfw
00:09.07ubdeadare you sure it's not a Doodad destiny?
00:09.12Hatioh noes rule34 :X
00:09.16Dest1nynope
00:09.17Arthas-hati
00:09.19Arthas-pic is safe
00:09.19Azuhttp://moe.imouto.org/post/index?tags=spice_and_wolf
00:09.25Hatibut site isnt xD
00:09.25Arthas-its an artistic piece
00:09.30Azuthat site may not be safe :P
00:10.07RectifierNSFW ^
00:10.21Azuhttp://konachan.com/post?tags=spice_and_wolf&searchDefault=Search nsfw
00:10.35ubdeadlol what's going on
00:10.45RectifierITS NOT SAFE FOR WORK THATS WHATS GOING ON
00:10.46ubdeadi think i might be downloading that anime now lol
00:11.08Azuhaha
00:11.08Azuno
00:11.08Azuits not an hentai
00:11.08Hatihmm
00:11.12Arthas-if I were to describe that anime in one sentence
00:11.12Hati16:10 ratio fast :x
00:11.15Arthas-id say "Cock tease"
00:11.18StatcommPizzala shield lol
00:11.21Azuhaha
00:11.24AzuArthas- ><
00:11.31Hatinext one lower than 1680x1050
00:11.32Arthas-brb need more snus!
00:11.33Rectifierhonestly after that one horo fanart, why even make any more?
00:11.46Rectifierits so well done
00:12.19Azuhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFTpWY9B4QI&feature=related
00:12.34StatcommIsn't there something...well not wrong but uh...strange with hentai? I mean, I suppose it's art but uh..
00:12.42Arthas-<title>hentai animal ears breasts brown hair horo long hair nude red eyes simosi spice and wolf tail wolfgirl - Konachan.com: Anime, Manga and Japanese Games Wallpapers Imageboard.</title>
00:12.45Arthas-:D
00:12.50ubdeadlol the ending of that episode Azu is LOL
00:12.54Azu:P
00:12.58ubdeadi want you Konata~~~~~~~~
00:13.00Arthas-i love the way we always manage to swap topic in here
00:13.01StatcommActually ignore what I said, probably not the safest discussion ><'
00:13.01HeliosDoubleSix1hmm should Banks work when testing offline, cus mine do not -_-
00:13.03Azushes mine!
00:13.10Azuor something
00:13.18RectifierStatcomm, just accept it as a fetish and leave it alone. Believe me, it will save you trouble.
00:13.25Azuhaha
00:13.29Arthas-:D
00:13.48ubdeadthey should helions
00:13.53ubdeadhelios*
00:13.59HeliosDoubleSix1hmm dunno what's going on then
00:14.05HeliosDoubleSix1they work til li hit restart
00:14.07StatcommRectifier, yes yes I must keep my mind open to uh...novelties.
00:14.08HeliosDoubleSix1then it looses them
00:14.14ubdeadoh god 2:15am again
00:14.19ubdeadthe morning is going to hate me
00:14.27HeliosDoubleSix1>_<
00:14.29Azuhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFD-PVIbDyc&feature=related
00:14.34StatcommWell enough break for me, back to work, nice chatting with you folks
00:14.43Azuhave fun :p
00:14.54StatcommMay the Konata in you always uh..shine or something.
00:14.59StatcommPipirupipirupii
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00:15.01Azu:p
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00:15.11ubdeadso yea i need to sleep
00:15.21ubdeadwell, i learned a lot about anime
00:15.24ubdeadnot so much about mapping
00:15.27ubdeadlol
00:15.31Azu><
00:15.41Arthas-no?
00:15.43Azuim gonna go to bed and watch some anime (y)
00:15.45Arthas-put anime on your maps
00:15.47Arthas-and ppl will dload
00:15.49Arthas-look at DBZ
00:15.50Azu:P
00:15.51Arthas-:p
00:15.52Azuhaha
00:15.56Azudbz maps ><
00:15.56Arthas-failproof
00:16.00ubdeadput hentai in your maps -> people will download
00:16.08Arthas-ubdead that too
00:16.09MojacheAlright
00:16.12Rectifierhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=faQSs6UBDok
00:16.14Mojachemy "playformer" map is done
00:16.16Arthas-ppl who dont know how to google
00:16.21Arthas-Mojache nice
00:16.27Rectifierdamn you work fast Mojache
00:16.28AzuRectifier ;_;
00:16.39ubdeadMojache is like a mapping god
00:16.40Mojacheit's not really something I wanna work on very long
00:16.42Mojachebut it's good enough
00:16.47Mojacheits playable
00:16.47ubdeadi suspect him working for blizzard
00:16.47Rectifieryou've been polka rolled.
00:16.48Mojacheits fun
00:16.54Mojacheit teaches people about platforms
00:16.55Mojacheall in one
00:17.07Dest1nyi could select with construction completed button but not using click or drag and select
00:17.07ubdeadADMIT YOU BLUE
00:17.17MojacheThink my higher score
00:17.18ubdeadCONFES
00:17.19Mojacheis like 32
00:17.20Mojacheso
00:17.20Dest1nythis data editor is >.>
00:17.23Azuhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmVZTEIabgg&feature=related
00:17.24Azueeeew caramelldansen ;_;
00:17.28Mojachebeat that chumps
00:17.30Mojachehttp://www.wittywizard.com/starcraft/platformer002.SC2Map
00:17.48Azumiku singing in swedish...
00:18.00Azuthats just wrong
00:18.05ubdeadgod i hate  japanse "dance/disco/hardcore" or what ever it's called
00:18.08Skizothttp://i44.tinypic.com/dnll4j.jpg
00:18.10Azujpop?
00:18.10Skizotthere we go.
00:18.14SkizotMUCH better looking
00:18.25Arthas-Azu http://www.satf.info/view/184
00:18.26Arthas-!
00:18.32Rectifierthis is a polka roll but you should watch it anyway: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfPVWLHUCM8
00:18.38Azuhaha
00:18.47Arthas-ever heard maximum the hormone? :D
00:19.11Azuasså
00:19.15Azucp låt
00:19.19Arthas-hahahaha
00:19.23Arthas-true
00:19.23ubdeadomg thats kawaii~~
00:19.23Arthas-true
00:19.24Xapticool skizot,  are those like imported models?
00:19.28Skizotuhhh
00:19.29Skizotsort of
00:19.35Azulol
00:19.35Skizoti imported units...
00:19.43Skizotthen ripped them apart for the parts i want.
00:19.44Arthas-http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1RPjt4228w
00:19.46Arthas-win!
00:19.48Rectifierweeaboo.
00:20.00Xaptiyou mean you exported units?
00:20.11ubdeadhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vG7CobZ04a4 > more win
00:20.14Skizotno.
00:20.19Rectifieroshit you detached the dtemp sword?
00:20.19Skizoti imported them into 3ds max
00:20.24Xaptiyeah
00:20.29Xaptiso you exported them from sc
00:20.30Rectifierbadass skiz
00:20.38Xaptithen re-imported them into sc
00:20.39Skizotif you say so...
00:21.05Xaptiit's nice work though
00:21.18Skizot:)
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00:21.29Skizottrying to think of other stuff i could... repurpose
00:21.32Azuwp inc
00:21.37Rectifierwhen can i put a dark templar sword on a marine!
00:21.51Skizotyou can't
00:21.52AzuArthas- http://i41.tinypic.com/4g279t.jpg thats how a wp should look
00:21.56Rectifieri know t_t
00:21.57Skizotthey have no attachment point for it.
00:22.01XaptiSo I've done 3 different methods to change mover and/or collision when jumping
00:22.07Xaptiat this point all of them suck
00:22.11Arthas-saved
00:22.29Rectifiermy marine wants to hack and slash his way to fame and fortune eventually!
00:22.30Xaptimorphing is a bitch because it orders the unit, which causes a bunch of problems
00:22.40Arthas-and since i run dual minotrs
00:22.42Arthas-i get double!
00:22.54Azuand ofc
00:22.55Azuhttp://i39.tinypic.com/35l6eds.jpg
00:22.58Xaptiswitching units is a bitch because hte unit is considered a new unit (loose selection, loose kill count, and a whoel bunch of other stuff)
00:23.04Arthas-fuck that
00:23.29Xaptiand the last one - changing mover and collision is a bitch, because map editor simply doesn't support changing these fully
00:24.19TheLaughingManDoes anyone know how to do a random amount of damage for a weapon?
00:24.27Rectifierya
00:24.40Rectifierlet me get ge up
00:24.48Azuah
00:24.50Xaptican't you make attachment points though
00:24.50Azufast upload
00:24.57Azu4235years to upload 3mb
00:25.09Skizotwhen we have access to exporting animations... yes we can.
00:25.37Rectifierits in the data editor laughing man
00:25.53Xaptiyeah that animation stuff is annoying
00:26.04Azuhttp://i44.tinypic.com/funx1w.jpg (y)
00:26.18Skizotwhat's with the anime?
00:26.21TheLaughingManRectifier, Like I want the marine weapon to do 1-6 damage randomly however it the Amount is a set integer
00:26.45Azuanyways
00:26.45Rectifierthe way that I know how to make random damage you have to make a weapon
00:26.50Azu-zzzgn
00:27.34Rectifierfirst you copy the weapon you want, then in the copy you change the field Amount to the minimum damage and change the field Random to the value you want
00:27.41Xaptisc2 map editor is like a half baked drunken quadriplegic technologist
00:27.50Arthas-Skizot we got bored
00:27.51Arthas-:p
00:27.56Arthas-like really really bored
00:27.58Arthas-nn Azu-zzz
00:28.14Azu-zzzhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yvEYKRF5IA before i leave
00:28.15Xaptiwell maybe more like a paraplegic
00:28.21Rectifierthats your background?
00:28.31Skizotwell give me ideas for item parts i can kidnap from units.
00:30.27TheLaughingManMeh
00:30.40TheLaughingManRectifier, is there no way to do some math for the damage?
00:31.13Rectifierlike what?
00:32.07TheLaughingMan((Target Current Health / 100 ) * 5) + 5 + Rand(5)
00:33.01Vailrethhelluu
00:33.12Rectifier(Target Current Health * 20) =  (Target Current Health / 100 * 5)
00:33.43Rectifieras for implementing what you want...
00:33.51Rectifieri don't have a clue
00:34.45XaptiLaughingman, I think you could maybe do that with effects
00:35.04Xaptithere's a whole bunch of different things it has
00:35.14XaptiI think it was effects
00:35.45Xaptialthough order of operations might not be possible to do using that method
00:36.15TheLaughingManHmm
00:36.24TheLaughingManFigured it out
00:36.25Xaptilike 5% of remaining health then 5 damage, as opposed to 5 damage then 5% of remaining helath
00:36.39Xaptiwhat did yo do
00:36.56TheLaughingManTotal = Combine
00:37.10TheLaughingManVital Fraction Current = 0.1 Life
00:37.31Xaptiso is that in effects?
00:37.41TheLaughingManIts in the damge effect
00:39.27Skizotnow i'm just ripping out random parts. lol
00:40.07TheLaughingManWell I figured out how to get it to do non-lethal damage
00:40.36ubdeadso good night guys
00:40.43ubdeadcya
00:41.59Rectifierusing a validator?
00:42.40Vailrethnon lethal damage how?
00:43.26TheLaughingManChange the flags in the Damage Effect to include live
00:44.50TheLaughingManthen the weapon can't bring the target to 0, it stays at 1
00:45.00Vailrethsweet.
00:45.13Vailrethhow does the vitals work?
00:45.38Alpha_vsthowdy
00:45.42Vailrethhey
00:46.48Skizothttp://i39.tinypic.com/ay1l0.jpg
00:46.50TheLaughingManThe vitals stuff is an amount of the target unit's vitals
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00:47.03Alpha_vstSkizot thats sexy
00:47.13Alpha_vstdo a dead marine and i will love you
00:47.23Skizota dead marine?
00:47.29XaptiOh LaughingMan, I think i was thinking of "apply behaviour"
00:47.48Alpha_vstlike from the death animations...
00:47.55Alpha_vstor the broken sandbags
00:48.05Skizotwhy do you want a dea marine?
00:48.08Xaptiand Laughingman, I assume vital is % of their MAX hp, not of their remaining HP right
00:48.26TheLaughingManWell there is a Max or Current option
00:48.54Xaptioh right
00:48.56Xaptiyeah
00:49.17Alpha_vsti need it for my map :P
00:52.20Xaptii don't think behaviours deal damage. Justl ooked it over again
00:52.39Xaptican modify health though
00:53.16RepoNew map: http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/sc2dancedancerevolution-pre-alph/. SC2DanceDanceRevolution pre-Alpha v0.4. shaotang (Manager/Author). Approved by sixen.
00:53.21RepoNew map: http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/platformsdemo/. 2d platforms for platformer demo. rurikar (Manager/Author). Approved by sixen.
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00:54.33Vailrethi think they may be able to sorta off handly
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00:55.51Vailretha negitive hp regen
00:56.16Skizotface down or face up?
00:56.20Skizotor does it matter?
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01:01.17HeliosDoubleSix1yah I dont get banks they are not working for me offline
01:01.23HeliosDoubleSix1even the example maps
01:01.25SkizotAlpha_vst
01:01.27HeliosDoubleSix1unless im doing somethingstupid
01:01.30Alpha_vstyeah?
01:01.33Skizothow dead do you want him?
01:01.48Alpha_vstdead :P
01:02.01Skizotface down face up?
01:02.14Alpha_vstdo both :D
01:02.19Skizot.....
01:02.28Skizotyou get one :P
01:02.33Alpha_vstsurprise me?
01:02.43Skizotokay
01:03.13TheLaughingManDoes anyone know a thing or two about the UI with the SC2Layout
01:03.31Alpha_vstsorta a little not really
01:03.53SixenTLM, Corbo was working on UI mostly.
01:04.01SixenOther than that, I know some. It's all in XML, for one.
01:04.05HeliosDoubleSix1crap is the only way via the chat interface -_-
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01:04.13SixenHeya mike.
01:04.22TheLaughingManI am trying to find the part where it has the popup for a weapon information
01:04.32SixenTooltips?
01:04.59TheLaughingManIf you add a tooltip to a weapon it displays it below the information
01:05.04TheLaughingManlike Damage, Target, Range
01:05.14RepoNew map: http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/zerg-take/. Zerg takes the control. ismaee (Manager/Author). Approved by sixen.
01:05.16TheLaughingManI want it to just display the tooltip so I can customize it
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01:07.53Sixenhm
01:08.03SixenThat i'm not sure about, TLM.
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01:09.18heysparkyhowdy folks
01:09.21heysparkyquick poll
01:09.37heysparkywhat's cooler, 1 boss queen or 3 mini-boss queens?
01:09.44Arthas-1
01:09.45Arthas-big!
01:10.21Arthas-now bed
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01:10.23Arthas-nn!
01:10.31heysparkygnight
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01:12.17SkizotAlpha_vst
01:12.18Skizothttp://i40.tinypic.com/s0ym4x.jpg
01:12.38Skizotdead enough?
01:12.39Alpha_vst:D
01:12.43Alpha_vstsexy dad
01:12.45Alpha_vstdead
01:12.51heysparky1 vote for 1 boss queen, 0 votes for 3 mini-boss queens... anyone else
01:13.07heysparkyhey, cool skizot
01:13.31Skizothttp://filesmelt.com/dl/DeadRine.m3
01:13.35Skizotthere ya go Alpha_vst
01:13.50Skizotjust import him, SAVE, then apply him to a unit / doodad
01:13.51Alpha_vstthanks :D
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01:14.13Alpha_vsti need to make a credits list for this map lol
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01:20.55SevenSevenholy crap
01:21.04SevenSevenit took me 10 minutes to connect to the channel
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01:25.26TheLaughingManSixen, do you know how to replace .SC2Layout files?
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01:28.16Skizothttp://i44.tinypic.com/lilwl.jpg
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01:29.00LaptopFurycool, skizot
01:29.37Skizot:)
01:29.43Skizotthink i'm done for now though.
01:30.09Skizotmight do some zealot parts..
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01:30.37SixenTLM, just... replace them within the MPQ :P
01:30.42SixenI think MWE can do it actually
01:31.07SixenTLM, UI Customization is something I was pushing for in MWE. I'll talk to nic within the next day or so and see what we can whip up.
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01:32.29TheLaughingManI am trying to remove sections to figure out what part is handling the Weapon Icon so I can change it
01:32.39TheLaughingManBut I imported it and it does nothing
01:32.56TheLaughingManI emptied the entire InfoPanel.SC2Layout so nothing should appear there
01:33.22TheLaughingManI imported it to UI/Layout/UI which is where it is located in the Base.MPQ
01:33.31TheLaughingManerr Base.SC2Data
01:33.54Sixenhm
01:34.24TheLaughingManthen I noticed that the localized stuff is stored under enUS.SC2Data in my map
01:34.26SixenYou must not have rebuilt the MPQ properly
01:34.37Motiveo_O I don't get why people with Macs are having performance issues. I can play with High/even Ultra settings on my MacBook Pro from last year.
01:34.40TheLaughingManso i changed it to Base.SC2Data/UI/Layout/UI
01:34.47TheLaughingManI am doing the importing through GE
01:34.51SixenPretty sure that should be correct.
01:34.52SixenAh
01:34.57SixenI'm not sure if that works within the GE editor.
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01:35.07SixenI haven't tried it. Corbo did it prior to GE via an MPQ editor.
01:35.26TheLaughingManWell in the MPQEditor I have it shows it is in the right spot
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01:36.08NeoDeathXpGawd
01:36.18NeoDeathXpi should have mad e a easyer map
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01:38.01TheLaughingManSixen, I just looked at how it does the gamedata
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01:38.38TheLaughingManAnd it does the same thing
01:39.09TheLaughingManHmm
01:39.14TheLaughingManI don't think it is overwriting the UI
01:39.24TheLaughingManI think it is amending it
01:41.21TheLaughingManUgh
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01:42.03peterpantswhat's the best way to do custom UI?
01:42.08peterpantsdo you make one huge dialog
01:42.11peterpantsthen add items to it
01:42.17peterpantsor do you make lots of little dialogs with little items
01:42.22Sixenhrm
01:42.40SixenI don't think there is a "best way" yet :p
01:43.11peterpantsthe only problem with making little dialogs is your dialog items can only be positioned so far within the confines of the host dialog which can kind of suck
01:43.53TheLaughingManDidn't someone have a custom ui showing a diablo based bar
01:44.05peterpantsya that was pretty cool
01:44.09peterpantsi wonder how they did that
01:44.13Legickdid that guy release it?
01:44.15TheLaughingManWhere is it
01:44.17Legicki don't think he did
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01:44.43BreadThe entire unit helper layout can be done in the editor
01:44.53Alpha_vstwow so i fixed my attacking trigger and now my map is amazingly hard :P
01:44.56Legickoh mikelat... i know you from youtube
01:45.25peterpantswhat's the max size of the screen for UI stuff
01:45.27NeoDeathXprly my map still dose nothing
01:45.49Alpha_vsthugs for neo :D
01:45.54NeoDeathXplol
01:46.02Alpha_vstim working on my difficulty system
01:46.07NeoDeathXpi am still creating game functionality
01:46.15Legickalpha what map are you working on?
01:46.28Alpha_vstOh no lava! RUN!!!
01:46.28NeoDeathXpCrystarium night now
01:46.41NeoDeathXpOH GOD!
01:46.50Alpha_vstits at the stage where it is fun :D
01:47.03Legickoh my god a ddr map
01:47.07Legickthat is awesome
01:47.17Alpha_vstlol
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01:52.29SixenLegick, mike looks like he keeps dropping for some reason :P
01:54.17peterpantsi really wish there were some unit-to-string functions for the data table
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01:55.09Alpha_vstim sure there is 0.o
01:55.30Legickyeah i see lol
01:56.45Legicksixen, am i wrong to say that i may remember your name from the wc3 forums?
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01:57.08SixenYou do :p
01:57.22DustinOh hai
01:57.31SixenHai dustin :p
01:57.46DustinAnyone want to test my map? :D
01:57.52Legickoooh mee
01:58.04NeoDeathXpugh
01:58.15Alpha_vstworking on mine :P
01:58.17Legicki'm curious to see what you've done since i tested it last
01:58.25NeoDeathXpit would be nice to know the players screen resolution for these UI elements
01:59.12DustinI need to make sure the custom UI is working right
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02:01.11Alpha_vstyeah it would i tired to find a hack to get the size but it didnt works :(
02:01.50Alpha_vsti tried setting a fullscreen ui and returning the size of it but it doesnt works :(
02:02.08Alpha_vsti just fixed that cam bug woot
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02:04.58Alpha_vstanyone know the best way to do a skill tree would be?
02:05.10DustinId say Sialogs
02:05.14DustinDialogs
02:05.27Alpha_vstbut like what kinda style :P
02:05.33DustinD2 style!
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02:06.19Legickthere are two main ways that i know of to do skill trees
02:06.34Legickthere's the wow/diablo way
02:06.49Legickand then there are the ones that have a kinda different layouts
02:07.13Alpha_vsthmmm that gave me an idea
02:07.29Legickall in all you can't be too amazingly creative with it lol
02:07.34Alpha_vstyeah
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02:08.24Vortexxcan anyone tell me how to import files for say, an icon?
02:08.36Alpha_vstimport menu :D
02:08.51Vortexxya, ok, have you tried it?
02:09.00TheLaughingManVortexx, look at my icon tutorial
02:09.03Legickthere's a good video tutorial on it
02:09.04Alpha_vstyeah i have my own custom textures in my map
02:09.08Legickahh his lol
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02:09.42Legickit's like the 3rd or fourth news post down on the home page of the site
02:09.44VortexxLaughingman, where would I find thsi tutorial
02:09.56Alpha_vsti need a better camera a sexy one
02:10.40TheLaughingManI might do a tutorial explaining the different options for damage effects
02:10.43Skizothttp://i43.tinypic.com/2555b3d.jpg
02:11.03TheLaughingManHow?
02:11.08Legicki would love to have that tutorial made
02:11.10Skizothow what?
02:11.20TheLaughingManHow did you do that
02:11.28Alpha_vstits sexy
02:11.28Legickyeah that is pretty awesome
02:11.37Alpha_vsthes been doing it all day
02:11.45Skizot:D
02:11.50TheLaughingManIs it possible to have a model without the weapons?
02:11.59Skizothuh?
02:12.05TheLaughingManMarine without his gun
02:12.06Dustinyou can rip em off
02:12.11Skizotnot yet
02:12.22Skizoti mean i CAN but then it wouldn't be animated.
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02:12.34Alpha_vstonly static things and be imported :(
02:12.42Skizotyup
02:12.45Legickwhat are those things above the left blade of the dark templar weapon supposed to be?
02:12.46Skizotlike dead marines.
02:12.46SkizotXD
02:12.58Skizotshoulder pads
02:13.00TheLaughingManCause you know what would be cool is giving every unit a non-weapon model and giving them some basic attack animations so you can change the weapons
02:13.01Alpha_vsti have not imported my dead marine i must do it
02:13.04Skizotfrom a dark templar
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02:14.14TheLaughingManI hope for the love of god that Blizzard will explain how to mess with the UI so we can do basic UIs without alot of Dialogs
02:14.29Skizotthe ui is a MODEL.
02:14.42TheLaughingManNo
02:14.44TheLaughingManThe layout
02:15.11TheLaughingManthe .SC2Layout XML file
02:15.17Skizotit's still a model :P
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02:15.47TheLaughingManYea the visual parts, but the .SC2Layout is the file that tells it where everything is
02:16.18TheLaughingManYou can move the minimap to the top right if you really wanted with the .SC2Layout
02:16.57Alpha_vstLOL
02:17.05Alpha_vsti actually placed the ui as a unit once
02:17.07Alpha_vstwas good stuff
02:17.19Alpha_vstits 3 parts :P
02:17.57Vailrethhmmm may be i should seperate the new marauder into the old marauder and a firebat...
02:18.05NeoDeathXpi am Completely re-doing the UI with dialogs
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02:19.33TheLaughingManNeoDeathXp, which when they release the explanation of the SC2Layout you can redo most of it without the Triggers
02:20.42SixenUnfortunately, TLM.... Blizzard isn't doing support for UI Customization.
02:20.49SixenWhat you see in GE is as far as they're going with it, :(.
02:20.55NeoDeathXpthey are releasing a explination?
02:20.58SixenNope :|
02:21.02SixenAt least not that I was told
02:21.04TheLaughingManYou never know
02:21.11SixenI doubt it, :P.
02:21.15Hatinight
02:21.19SixenThey'll give off the basics. How to use the editor.. that's about it.
02:21.21SixenNight hati.
02:21.24SixenThat's why I want to implement it in MWE!
02:21.33SixenBrb.
02:22.11Alpha_vstwould be sexy to have ui editing
02:22.47TheArtistFormallI'd be happy if they just fixed it so Trigger Libraries wouldn't be screwed up in Export/Import
02:23.00VortexxLaughingman, where do I get gimp dds?
02:23.11FrozenFirebatweird...
02:23.18FrozenFirebatI didn't make my name that
02:24.20Jcuplol
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02:25.20NeoDeathXpI have to make 135 buttons for my Crystarium for commando for lightning. this will take a couple weeks to do all the classes all the Crystarium for each class, it's 1000's of buttons
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02:26.28NeoDeathXpim still trying to work out how i am going to do it
02:26.43Skizotwhat??
02:26.43Alpha_vst135 buttons?
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02:27.14Alpha_vstvortex use google :D
02:27.53NeoDeathXpyeah
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02:28.01NeoDeathXpfor commando
02:28.14Vailrethwould any one like to try a barebones limited version of my mod and its first dependant map Canyon Defense?
02:28.40Alpha_vstmaybe
02:28.41Vailrethi need some feed back on ballance issues..
02:28.42Alpha_vstsure
02:28.51Vailrethok i will host them
02:28.59Alpha_vstas long as i dont have to play on bnet
02:29.21Vailrethna its a single player easyily tested through the editor
02:29.21Topio~seen motive
02:29.24purlmotive is currently on #sc2mapster (1h 35m 19s). Has said a total of 1 messages. Is idling for 54m 47s, last said: 'o_O I don't get why people with Macs are having performance issues. I can play with High/even Ultra settings on my MacBook Pro from last year.'.
02:29.45TopioDid Motive get their launcher working on XP again?
02:30.24Alpha_vstlol even blizzard said macs where not preforming well 0.o
02:32.15Vailrethhttp://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=e5182d573e2f6d16ab1eab3e9fa335cad7142bb96bfaa904
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02:32.37Topioimo Go-To data context menu for doodads
02:33.20Vailrethyou may have to fix the dependencies to where ever you place the mod file
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02:34.46Vailrethoh keep your tower spawner safe you only get one for now.
02:35.10Skizotset the spawners to invincible
02:35.12Skizot:P
02:35.32ShuuffleIs there a good way to make a unit visible in map editor, but invisible in game? lol
02:35.39Skizothuh?
02:35.42ShuuffleI'm using cloak but it leaves that blurry stuff
02:35.48Skizotburrow it.
02:35.57Skizotas long as there is no detector it is invisible.
02:36.05ShuuffleAhh, very clever
02:36.09ShuuffleI'll do that
02:36.13ShuuffleIt's my "spawn point" unit
02:36.23Skizotuse a region.
02:36.28ShuuffleI use regions, too
02:37.53Shuuffledid ultralisks burrow in sc1/
02:37.58BreadNope
02:38.02ShuuffleI didn't think so, lol
02:38.16BreadBurrowing ultras are kinda silly to me
02:38.32BreadI'd be think it'd be cool if zerg buildings could burrow too, like how Terran can lift
02:38.41Vailrethif they could half pop up and half stay burrowed to attack..
02:38.53BreadLurkerisk
02:38.56ShuuffleHaha
02:39.07ShuuffleOr Ultralurker?
02:39.13BreadTo the data editor!
02:39.26BreadCan you make burrowed units attack?
02:39.31BreadI know they can move
02:39.44Legickyou probably could
02:40.00ShuuffleI mean the lurker unit existed so I'm sure its possible
02:40.02Alpha_vsti think i beat it :P
02:40.17TopioBread: considering the burrowed unit is actually an entirely new unit, yes
02:40.18Vailrethi nearly had  alurker like unit in wc3 called em blade bugs and they could only attack while burrowed and fired off waves of spikes
02:41.00Vailrethonly problem was they Unburrowed to do it
02:41.19Alpha_vstgive them an attack and im sure they would if they are burrowed
02:41.22BreadBlizz is going to add lurkers for retail editor aren't they?
02:41.29Mojachehas anyone here done damage text?
02:41.32TopioBread: yeah, it's in the campaign
02:41.34Alpha_vstI beat your map vailreth :P
02:41.38Mojachelike damage overtop of heads of units
02:41.55Vailrethits only have a few spawns ...
02:41.59BreadI can find a map with it if you want to take a gander Mojache
02:42.04Alpha_vstand i jsut realized i could make mech units :P
02:42.10Mojacheif you could bread
02:42.19MojacheI really don't want to bother doing something like that from scratch :P
02:42.33Vailrethdid you spam the marauders and regen towers?
02:43.25Alpha_vstno marines lol
02:43.34Vailrethhmm.
02:43.36Alpha_vstand reapers :P
02:43.54Vailrethah. i may have to adjust the costs then..
02:44.44Vailrethon previous versiosn ive even got out a few thors by the time the mutas come out
02:44.54Dustin|Mojache
02:44.56Dustin|I have
02:45.05Dustin|Its just text tags
02:45.37Alpha_vstlol i made a thor as my first unit 0.o
02:45.37Mojachegot it uploaded somewhere?
02:45.47Skizotwhy are there 4 ultralisk models?
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02:46.18Alpha_vstcause its the awesome model
02:46.41Dustin|http://dl.dropbox.com/u/843426/TopDownFightersV7.98.SC2Map
02:46.44Vailrether varity ?
02:46.49Dustin|Just saved the most recent version
02:46.50BreadI was about to show him that Dustin
02:47.52Dustin|hehe
02:48.19Dustin|Almsot got my weapon bar done
02:48.24peterpantswhat does an underflow error mean
02:48.25Dustin|:D
02:49.17Mojachewhat skybox is the "blue sky"
02:49.29Dustin|underflow is like no data I think
02:51.16FrozenFirebatso i'm reading the tutorial the reaper madness guy wrote... It could easily be applicable to 2d Games as well without having the need to use a Unit spawn / Move to order
02:51.58peterpantsgui gets really ugly when things get complicated
02:52.04Skizotwoo
02:52.12DustinYa i fucking hate GUI
02:52.26DustinEspecially trying to do math with it
02:52.28Dustinshudders
02:52.30peterpantshow do you bypass gui? do you write your own script?
02:52.40FrozenFirebatthey edit XML files
02:52.42peterpantssave as components and just edit the map.galaxy?
02:52.45DustinWrite the script file yourself
02:53.09DustinI really wish they'd put it back in like WC3
02:53.15DustinWhere you could convert to custom code
02:53.25peterpantsare there any good editors to use when editing galaxy, like jasscraft was for wc3
02:53.31DustinMade shit alot easier to organize then keep it all in one big fucking file
02:53.44DustinNot yet peterpants
02:53.48TopioAfter mucking around wtih triggers to make a doodad turn on/off when a unit enters, and making it so that any units that enter afterwards would not set the animation off while at least one unit was present, I discovered "Turn Animation Properties On". cut down on four different triggers and a variable.
02:53.53Alpha_vsteventually
02:54.25Alpha_vstlol topio :D
02:54.33DustinSomeones already working on a new pre-proccessor for Galaxy called andromeda
02:54.41peterpantsor even a notepad++ hightlight thing
02:54.42Dustinadding in abunch of badass shit to the language
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02:54.56DustinYou want a syntax checker?
02:55.01SadistikHey all !
02:55.29Sadistikanyone know how to remove the requirement of the ghost - nuke ability.
02:55.29peterpantsbut those things like andromeda usually break when they release a new patch which is a pain
02:55.40peterpantsand ya a syntax checker would be nice the one with the editor is useless
02:55.54Dustinhttp://www.sc2mapster.com/assets/milkyway-precompiler/
02:56.01MotiveI wouldn't call the editor's one useless.
02:56.03Dustinhttp://www.sc2mapster.com/assets/galaxy-vim-syntax-highlighting/
02:56.06MotiveI've been using it with success.
02:56.12MotiveIt's just not very friendly.
02:56.17peterpantsit will say 'script error' and give you a line
02:56.18peterpantslol
02:56.23peterpantsi cant do vim, vim too hard
02:56.24Dustinyaaa
02:56.27MotiveThat's fine anyways. :P
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02:56.40MotiveAll you should really need is a line # and a good eye.
02:56.49MotiveUnless your code is like all on one line or something.
02:56.55DustinEspecially with all the new people learning this stuff it should explain what caused the error and how to fix it :P
02:57.12MotiveGalaxy isn't for new people though. It's the underlying code.
02:57.35MotiveIf you need help learning, you should stick with GUI.
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02:57.51MotiveUnless you have prior programming experience, which is the only case Galaxy is really useful to you.
02:58.31MotiveAnd if you have programming experience, chances are you can spot an error given just a line number anyways. So it's prolly low priority on adding more detailed compile errors.
02:59.56peterpantswould be nice though.
03:00.02MotiveThat it would. :P
03:00.16MotiveBut realistically, it only caters to a small portion of people who map edit, and the smaller portion of those who actually write Galaxy.
03:03.31ReactorexThe terrain of my map became corrupt. :/
03:03.44ReactorexMy editor crashes whenever it loads my map's terrain.
03:03.57peterpantsmap protection!
03:04.00Dustinthis fucking bnet lag is killing me
03:04.01peterpantslol
03:04.36DustinI need a new WASd movement
03:06.02ReactorexWhat's the problem with your current WASD movement?
03:06.20Vailrethany one else hoping for a patch tomorrow?
03:06.46DustinTaking up to much network traffic I think
03:06.46ReactorexI'm only hoping for a decent camera follow for first and third person mouselook.
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03:08.45peterpantsget mouse clicked UI position in windowed mode is totally weird too
03:10.03Vailrethi am hoping for a fix to some of the broken data fields as well as heros
03:11.36SkizotHOLY SNAP
03:11.46Skizotmarines look AWESOME with queen arms.
03:11.46Bifuusup peoples
03:12.13DustinSeriously I dont know if this is bnet lag or my map
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03:14.12VailrethHey Bifuu
03:15.20Vailrethwas following your tutorial and making a hp regen buff but i couldnt get it to work for hours ... finally i rececked everything for the fourth time in a row and i discovered i had accidently  made it require dead
03:15.20Alpha_vstlol
03:15.56Alpha_vsti need to follow that aura tut i know he made it for me :D
03:16.01Alpha_vstlol
03:16.23peterpantsi have a question
03:16.38peterpantshow do you make it so when units are issued move orders they dont bump other friendly units out of the way
03:17.00Alpha_vstpushable
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03:17.14peterpantsawesome thnaks
03:17.17Alpha_vstreset your ally setting and dont inculde pushable
03:18.15peterpantswhere is this at exactly
03:18.35Alpha_vstin the data editor i have no idea in triggers its ally options 0.o
03:19.17peterpantsally options is the name of the action?
03:19.23peterpantsnot seeing it
03:20.00Alpha_vstum hold on
03:20.05peterpantswell that would still make it so you could push your own units
03:20.19Alpha_vst<PROTECTED>
03:21.20Alpha_vstits under player :D
03:22.07Dustinya this bnet lag is devistating
03:22.11peterpantshmm
03:22.22DustinHope its fixed with the Map publishing patch
03:22.22Topioanyone mess with footprints?
03:22.27Alpha_vsta little
03:22.36Alpha_vstits a bitch :D
03:22.55TopioI made a footprint, but it doesn't seem to be to scale
03:23.09NeoDeathXpfuck
03:23.11Alpha_vstnope you have to set the scale manually
03:23.13NeoDeathXpmy map is bugged
03:23.18Alpha_vsthow so
03:23.20Vailrethhow bugged?
03:23.22Topiohow do you know what xy, there aren't any references
03:23.46NeoDeathXpwhen i create a global variable it says its empty
03:23.54Alpha_vstif you load the model at the top it makes it easyer lol
03:23.56NeoDeathXpand i cant call it in a trigger
03:24.13Crazafieddid you use undo/redo neodeathxp?
03:24.16TopioAlpha_vst: I did, but the scale is off
03:24.18NeoDeathXpand i looked at the galxy code and its nit showing up
03:24.55Crazafiedtry saving map closeing editor and reloading when i use undo/redo it bugs the editor out hardcore
03:24.56Alpha_vstclose and reopen map
03:25.22Alpha_vstyeah undo is broken
03:25.48NeoDeathXpWarning: Missing string:
03:25.59NeoDeathXpis what the message box is saying
03:26.03NeoDeathXpfucked
03:26.04Alpha_vstyeah thats what happens
03:26.13Alpha_vsti had 20 of those once 0.o
03:26.36NeoDeathXpdamnit i have to re-create the variable
03:26.45NeoDeathXpi tried to open/close
03:28.16NeoDeathXpwow
03:28.33ReactorexIs there a reason that SC2 crashes when I play my map with people on a different operating system?
03:28.39NeoDeathXpwhenever i try to set the variable type to File - image it bugs
03:28.51Alpha_vstlol
03:28.54NeoDeathXpand the variable is unusable
03:29.03NeoDeathXpFUCK
03:29.07NeoDeathXp..
03:29.20NeoDeathXpim going to switch to my desktop
03:29.28Skizothmmm
03:29.33Skizotmy zerg is coming out PURPLE.
03:29.46Alpha_vstpurple? how lame
03:29.50Skizotit's weird.
03:30.42ReactorexGlowy purple?
03:33.18Topioif only the footprint editor actually showed the previous print
03:34.08ReactorexJust what are the footprints?
03:35.38Topiothe collision data
03:35.48Topioit contains pathing info that you bind to actors
03:37.02Vailrethany bod know how no fly zones work?
03:37.26ReactorexSo I can add custom footprints to doodads?
03:37.28Topiothey dont' allow flying units to fly?
03:37.31TopioReactorex: right
03:37.38TopioReactorex: but it seems the print editor is fubar
03:38.13Vailrethyes but i was wondering if they  have a size and shape or if they turn no pathing zones into no flying zones as well
03:38.26Topioif you're using the pathing layer, yes
03:38.38Topiobut if you're using the doodad, no, it uses a custom footprint
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03:38.43ReactorexAre prints 3d or 2d?
03:39.04Topioreactor 2d, afaik, it's basically just a mobile pathing layer
03:39.09ReactorexAnd which is better for making MMOstyle collision?
03:39.19Alpha_vstWTF
03:39.21Alpha_vsthttp://store.steampowered.com/freeportal/
03:39.22ReactorexPathing layer or footprints?
03:39.26Alpha_vstamazing
03:39.40Motivegot to play free portal on my mac
03:39.41Motive:D
03:39.43Motiveso fun.
03:39.48SherardIs kanaru on here?
03:39.49Motivefinished it all in one sitting. lolol
03:39.50TopioReactorex: the pathing laayer is stationary, so best used for terrain or doodads that don't change animation, the footprints are for units etc.
03:40.08Vailrethwith protal 2 coming out some time  they want to get a large playerbase for the orgininal
03:40.12TopioMotive: I'm glad they made portal free, everyone should play it
03:40.28TopioVailreth: TBH, I was expecting Ep3 :( I wanted portal to tie in already
03:40.34SherardIs Rrowland on here?
03:40.37Sherardif so wisper me
03:40.52Motivethey should use portal to teach people about infinite recursion
03:40.56Motivelolol
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03:45.13FrozenFirebat~seen purl
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03:45.56Alpha_vsthe gets around
03:45.56SherardDoes anyone have a good algorithm that shoots a projectile?
03:46.09Sherardthat can be used in 3rd person shooters
03:46.19FrozenFirebatSherard, Use the one from the Tutorial
03:46.26FrozenFirebathttp://forums.sc2mapster.com/development/tutorials/1626-trigger-how-to-target-with-mouselook-tracelines/
03:46.41Sherardlol
03:46.41Alpha_vstthat sounds confusing :D
03:46.45Sherardthats not a projectile
03:47.03FrozenFirebatCreate Effect Missile and Point it towards the traceline
03:47.06Sherardthats a traceline function and I have had it for a while cause Rrowland hooked me up with it a while back ago
03:47.06FrozenFirebatit's not really that complicated
03:47.23Sherardit can be used to create a path for it to travel
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03:48.03FrozenFirebatRun the Function once to determine the traceline, fire the missile, then run the function again along it's path as it runs the path
03:48.06Sherardi am looking for an actual one that can be implemented on mouse click that basically sends a unit or object from one point to another
03:48.33Alpha_vstits not hard
03:48.48Alpha_vstdo it the same way you do movement
03:48.55Alpha_vstjsut make it go longer
03:49.26Sherardmy movement is a bit different i do really small movements so that if i release there is actually an automatic stop instead of having a slight delay
03:49.37Vailrethnight all
03:49.41Sherardnight
03:49.45FrozenFirebatlater vail
03:50.33Alpha_vstok well get the facing angle of the unit and send a projectile in that direction
03:50.43SherardI was just curious if someone had on that work well shooting a projectile this way if you have a moving target you will actually have to lead it
03:51.47peterpantshow do you get a rain emitter to work
03:51.55Alpha_vstpress v in the editor
03:51.58Alpha_vstand bam
03:52.03Alpha_vstyou see rain
03:52.13peterpantsit shows a sphere lol
03:52.13ReactorexOnly if your game graphics are high enough.
03:52.38ReactorexThe game nullifies certain effects if you have low graphics chosen.
03:53.06ReactorexChoose "medium" or "high" for your video preferences in the editor and then toggle view game camera to on from the view menu (or press v).
03:53.07Alpha_vstthe sphere is a broken model link
03:53.11Alpha_vstrain still rains
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03:54.42ReactorexUse rain emitter medium or rain sprinkle instead of rain emitter large.
03:55.25Alpha_vstyeah pretty much
03:55.28ReactorexPersonally, I prefer sprinkle. Looks nicer. :)
03:55.46Alpha_vst:D
03:55.52Skizothttp://i44.tinypic.com/10digc8.jpg
03:56.08ReactorexMedium looks "droopy" in my opinion.
03:56.20deathnight114Is anyone here experianced in making music? (techno specifically)
03:56.51Alpha_vstSkizot you need to do a nice explsion effect with all those parts
03:56.52ReactorexI'm a musician, but I don't know the first thing about techno.
03:56.57deathnight114<(>.<,)>
03:57.01deathnight114ehh
03:57.08Skizotcan't do particles.
03:57.11peterpantsskizot :O
03:57.12ReactorexOh, hey, Deathnight, you were the one trying to import music, right?
03:57.12deathnight114A friend and me started a group
03:57.23deathnight114we're looking for some musicians to help us out
03:57.26ReactorexI think I found something relating to it today.
03:57.29deathnight114Because we're making a bunch of trance song
03:57.33Alpha_vstno blow up a fucking marine in the game and send his body everywhere
03:57.36ReactorexFirst, music files are .ogg format in the editor.
03:57.39deathnight114our first one is gonna be a parody i guess
03:57.40deathnight114lolz
03:57.42deathnight114I know
03:57.48deathnight114Still couldn't get it working
03:57.50deathnight114i tried .ogg
03:57.51ReactorexSecond, data editor > sounds might be relevant.
03:58.05deathnight114yeah i know
03:58.09deathnight114I couldn't find my file though
03:58.11deathnight114in there
03:58.25deathnight114reactorex
03:58.29deathnight114do you use FL Studio?
03:58.35ReactorexNope.
03:58.39deathnight114damn
03:58.42deathnight114nvm
03:58.48ReactorexAudacity when I need it.
03:58.53deathnight114We need some semi experianced FL Users
03:58.55deathnight114:P
03:59.10ReactorexI'm a pianist as of six or seven years.
03:59.13deathnight114http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?4zmndz4nnzy
03:59.20deathnight114nice
03:59.23ReactorexI do a bit of work and recording with my piano in my geek corner.
03:59.26deathnight114That's my third trance song
03:59.30VortexxAction:         Unit - Kill (Item carried by (Attacking Unit) in slot 1)
03:59.30Vortexxanyone tell me what the slot refers to?
03:59.32deathnight114not the best
03:59.36deathnight114but, i think it's pretty god
03:59.37deathnight114good*
03:59.48deathnight114uhh brb
03:59.50deathnight114>.<
04:00.17DustinHmm
04:00.41DustinAnyone got a good formula to set bar width of an ability cooldown timer?
04:03.49deathnight114(#)+2+(2 extra each round)
04:03.54deathnight114:P
04:03.58deathnight114or something like that
04:03.59deathnight114i dunno
04:04.01deathnight114LOL
04:04.07Motivenewbknight
04:04.07Motive:D
04:04.18deathnight114>.<
04:04.35deathnight114i DONT have a K IN MY NAME!! ! 11 !!!!! !one!!!!!11!!!11!1
04:04.55Motivereal men don't need k's
04:04.58Motiveespecially silent ones
04:05.07deathnight114<(^^,)>
04:05.15VortexxAnyone ever tried this trigger:         Unit - Kill (Item carried by (Attacking Unit) in slot 1)
04:05.15Vortexxi can't get it to work based of either slot refrence number in the data editor, nor by simply counting inventory slots
04:05.25deathnight114Nope
04:06.06Alpha_vsthave you tried sending a message with the name of the item cvarried?
04:06.12Alpha_vstto see what it is
04:06.21peterpantsis there a way to hide a unit's healthbar
04:06.25deathnight114i'm a newb with the editor
04:06.33deathnight114uhh
04:06.35deathnight114don't turn it on
04:06.37deathnight114LOL
04:06.39Alpha_vstwhat healthbar?
04:06.49peterpantsthe one that shows up when you press alt
04:06.51deathnight114don't turn it on in the options
04:06.52Alpha_vstyes
04:07.00deathnight114don't press alt
04:07.08Alpha_vstits the bar in the unit data editor
04:07.09peterpantsnot good enough
04:07.33peterpantsyea
04:07.36Alpha_vstset it to like 0 999 0
04:07.41Vortexxalpha, how ould I do that?
04:07.57Alpha_vstvortex conversion
04:08.19Vortexx?
04:08.32Alpha_vsti dont have my editor open right now but
04:08.44Vortexxit's a trigger or ?
04:08.48Alpha_vstdo a text message and set the message to a conversion
04:08.52Alpha_vsta trigger
04:11.02Alpha_vsthopefully that gets you on the right track :D
04:11.34Vortexxconvert boolean, integer, real, string, format duration, format number?
04:13.14Alpha_vstum its either a real or string
04:13.24Alpha_vstproabbly string
04:14.57Vortexx<PROTECTED>
04:15.10Alpha_vstno :P
04:15.18Alpha_vsthold on making me open this editor
04:15.21Vortexxi didn't think so, i have no idea what I'm looking at here
04:15.37Alpha_vsti love conversions :D
04:17.29Alpha_vstvortexx what or where did you find the item carried thing
04:17.59Alpha_vstfound it nm
04:18.07Alpha_vst<PROTECTED>
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04:19.37Alpha_vsttry that :D
04:19.59Vortexxwas almost there, but thx for the last part ;)
04:21.19Alpha_vstdoes it return anything?
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04:22.30Vortexxsec
04:23.56Vortexxno, nothing happend
04:24.07Vortexxif i had nothing in that slot, would nothing happen?
04:24.14Alpha_vstare you carrying anything? :P
04:24.20Vortexxya
04:24.21Alpha_vstpretty much
04:24.39Vortexxin the data editor, I would be carrying items in slot 0,4,5,6
04:24.57Vortexxcan't set the item slot to 0 either
04:25.45Alpha_vstyes you can
04:26.04Alpha_vstwhere it says one click it do a math / abs value
04:26.09Alpha_vstand you can pick 0
04:27.13Vortexxhm, well that still doesn't work
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04:28.01Vortexxcounting from the top left of my inventory, and counting buttons that don't show up.  the item I'm aiming for would be in slot 10, if you star from 1
04:32.18Alpha_vstyeah im looking into it 0.o
04:34.44Alpha_vsthmmm
04:34.46Alpha_vstwell
04:34.50Alpha_vstgood news?
04:35.03Vortexxfrom me?
04:35.09Alpha_vstnever mind
04:35.32Alpha_vstyeah
04:35.34Alpha_vsthey
04:35.37Vortexx?
04:35.54Alpha_vstopen your char screen and move a item into slot  1
04:36.44Alpha_vstthen run the message trigger
04:36.51Vortexxin the data editor?
04:37.06Alpha_vstin the game
04:37.13Vortexxidk what slot is slot 1, that's the problem
04:38.04Vortexxb/c it's not the top left of the box, nor the top right, nor the one I've designate as a weapon slot
04:38.15Vortexx*bottom right
04:38.17Alpha_vstits the top left
04:38.30Alpha_vstwait wait wait
04:39.03Alpha_vstyour inv is not your char equipment screen 0.o
04:39.34Alpha_vsti got it to return a message so you should be able to also
04:39.53Vortexxwhat do you mean your inv is not your char eqipment screen?
04:40.30Vortexxthe items in a container are not your inventory?
04:40.31Alpha_vstyou said "nor the one I've designate as a weapon slot" unless im mistaken that would be on your char equipment pannel
04:43.19Alpha_vsthmmm well maybe it could be considered inventory i guess
04:43.25Alpha_vstthat is confusing
04:43.41Vortexxin the data editor, the item I want to kill is in container slot index 0
04:44.09Alpha_vstok and you followed bifuu tutorial i assume?
04:44.48Vortexxi looked at that one, took a few things
04:44.56Vortexxi think
04:45.00Vortexxi've looked at a few
04:45.44Alpha_vstyou have a ability that is marked as inventory correct?
04:45.53Vortexxya
04:46.53Alpha_vsthow many things you got in it?
04:47.56Vortexx8
04:48.10Alpha_vst8?
04:48.39Alpha_vstok well one of those 8 are holding your slot 1
04:49.13Vortexxi tried every number with at least 4 things in those slots and nada : /
04:50.30Alpha_vsti know thats the problem some where
04:50.34Alpha_vstcause it worked for me
04:50.48Vortexxwait, what did you use as the event?
04:51.36Alpha_vsta chat message
04:51.47Alpha_vsti even got it to delete items
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04:52.36SilverSeraphim1portal is free on steam fyi http://store.steampowered.com/freeportal/
04:52.49Alpha_vstwelcome to what i said an hour ago :D
04:52.56SilverSeraphim1>__>
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04:53.17SilverSeraphim1pretends he was talking about a different... portal...
04:54.13Alpha_vstvortexx run         Game - Player Any Player types a chat message containing "1", matching Exactly as your event
04:54.19Alpha_vstand move the item around
04:54.30Alpha_vstyou should find it
04:54.31Vortexxwell i think the problem is in my triggers
04:54.39Vortexxbut ya
04:54.42Alpha_vstwhat triggers?
04:57.33Alpha_vstafk be back in a bit
04:57.38Vortexxok, i got it to display
04:57.43Alpha_vstgood :D
04:57.47Vortexxthx for the help, i think i can get it from here
04:57.54Vortexxodd placement for it tho
04:58.24Alpha_vstwhat was the issue?
04:58.53Vortexxthe trigger, i had "triggering unit"
04:59.03Alpha_vstit might be a issue how you set up your ability :P
04:59.07Alpha_vstoh lol
04:59.10Vortexxand i wanted to know what was in a specific unit's inventory
04:59.26Alpha_vstyeah i did that at first lol
04:59.36Skizothttp://i42.tinypic.com/500d50.jpg
04:59.40Skizotonly one zerg item left
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05:03.59deathnight114Who imported link into starcraft II?
05:04.00deathnight114http://static.sc2mapster.com/content/attachments/2/947/model1.png
05:07.33SixenThat was Corbo
05:07.34Sixen:)
05:08.33Skizoti need grogian
05:08.44Skizotand deathnight114
05:08.45Skizothttp://i42.tinypic.com/500d50.jpg
05:08.47SkizotTADOW
05:09.23peterpantsthose are cool
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05:09.49peterpantsare you gonna uplod a model pack
05:09.50peterpants<3
05:11.47Triceronwho's making a model pack?
05:12.33RepoNew map: http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/e-v-o-l-v-e-s-vsc2/. E V O L V E S vSC2. ST4RKiLL3R (Manager/Author). Approved by sixen.
05:12.37RepoNew map: http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/footmen-frenzy-2-0/. Footmen Frenzy 2.0. PatchOne (Manager/Author). Approved by sixen.
05:15.20SixenSkizot's working on some weapons: http://i42.tinypic.com/500d50.jpg
05:15.33Triceronoh sweet!
05:15.43Skizotthey are for a YET UNNAMED PROJECT
05:15.55peterpantsIE: no model pack lol
05:15.57Triceronthat's awesome :D
05:16.15Triceronlemme know what method you use for attaching them to hands and stuff
05:16.32TriceronI'm really interested, but not sure how to approach it.  I have a faint idea
05:16.45Triceronbut I'm still noob at the editor
05:23.39Vortexxoh my good god in heaven!!!!
05:23.41Vortexx<PROTECTED>
05:23.54Vortexxthat slot number, refers to the order in which you pick items up. >.<
05:24.08Vortexxi mean...really?!:?!?!?!
05:24.44peterpantsif you use actor settint how do you remove the tint
05:24.56peterpantsSetTintColor* that is
05:28.54ShuuffleLOL Vortexx
05:28.57Shuufflethat's retarded
05:29.08Shuufflecan you save item to a variable?
05:29.32Vortexxas i pick it up?
05:29.45ShuuffleYeah
05:29.52ShuuffleWould be a pain in the ass
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05:32.28SixenHeya Points.
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05:43.33DustinHmmmmmmmm
05:44.36Skizothttp://i43.tinypic.com/jgskqu.jpg
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05:44.57peterpantsnow your just hsowing off
05:45.04UtilizeWow, this channel has more people in it then i thought it would.
05:45.17Skizotalways peter
05:46.01SixenUtilize, we're cool.
05:46.09UtilizeYea?
05:46.17SixenYeah~
05:46.23UtilizeWell, that's good.
05:46.30UtilizeAny other sound designers in here btw?
05:47.04ShuuffleI just do music sometimes
05:47.16Utilizedamn, i have yet to meet another Sound designer that's into the whole mod team thing with Sc2.
05:47.25SixenSomeone made a post on mapster.. Maybe it was you?
05:47.26UtilizeCool, What programs do you use?
05:47.27Sixen:)
05:47.32SixenAudacity is ftw.
05:47.32Utilize*me
05:47.34UtilizeYea, that was mer
05:47.57Utilizelol, Audacity huh?
05:48.02SixenOldschool? :P
05:48.07Shuuffleaudacity rocks
05:48.07Utilizelol
05:48.16ShuuffleBecause it's free!
05:48.22UtilizeI find audacity slow paced and kind of gay.
05:48.36Utilizebut yea, Audacity kind of reminds me of acidpro back in the day.
05:48.42UtilizeYou guys ever use acid pro before sony bought them out?
05:48.43NeoDeathXpaparently making over 6000 buttons is harder than i thought
05:48.48SixenHaven't heard of that :x
05:49.11RepoNew map: http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/ghost-sniper-arena/. Ghost Sniper Arena. Galois1 (Manager/Author). Approved by sixen.
05:49.12UtilizeWhy would you need 6000 buttons?
05:49.32NeoDeathXpCrystarium
05:49.32peterpantswhy stop at 6000, you could over 9000
05:49.36Utilizelol
05:49.44UtilizeI have made 1 button.
05:49.46UtilizeAnd it sucks ass.
05:49.47Utilizelol
05:49.59UtilizeMan tho... 6,000....
05:50.02NeoDeathXpi have a network of buttons
05:50.06UtilizeAre you just doing massive batch files?
05:50.21SixenOver 9000?
05:50.31NeoDeathXpunder 9000 =(
05:50.36Sixen:(
05:50.40Utilizelol
05:50.52UtilizeI still can't get past the 6,000
05:51.19NeoDeathXpyeah
05:51.33NeoDeathXp7 heroes with 6 classes
05:51.40UtilizeSweet.
05:51.48UtilizeWhat are you going to be calling the map?
05:51.57SixenButton Palooza.
05:51.57NeoDeathXpFinal Fantasy 13
05:52.02UtilizeOH
05:52.07UtilizeYou're that guy that's doing FF13?
05:52.13NeoDeathXplol
05:52.13UtilizeI seen something on that i think.
05:52.15NeoDeathXpyeah
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05:52.41SixenHe's "that guy."
05:52.51Utilizelol
05:52.52NeoDeathXpthat guy?
05:53.08Utilizeits okay, people just call me "That sound guy"
05:54.16NeoDeathXpi have work tomorrow ill cya guys
05:54.20Sixen:P
05:54.22Utilizebye
05:54.24SixenLater, Neo.
05:55.25Triceronhttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v293/Triceron/Justicar_ingame.jpg  my second custom unit in game, woo
05:55.43Utilizelol
05:55.46SixenHah, that's nice.
05:56.08UtilizeThe blue guy kind of reminds me of a mage from wow.
05:56.31pkolwow
05:56.34pkolhe looks evil
05:56.35Triceronhehe
05:56.38Utilizethe red guy just reminds me of a templar.
05:56.46Triceronthe red guy is a templar
05:56.53pkolno animations yet im assuming
05:56.55Triceronjust a comparison of size and stuff
05:56.57Triceronnope
05:57.01UtilizeAhh, i see.
05:57.02SixenOh :p
05:58.02pkolhe reminds of like
05:58.05pkola high templar lich
05:58.07pkol:P
05:58.15Utilizelol
05:58.29Triceronyah, he's like a hero templar
05:58.39VortexxStone Hammer
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05:58.42Vortexx<PROTECTED>
05:58.42Vortexx<PROTECTED>
05:58.43Vortexx<PROTECTED>
05:58.50Vortexxanyone tell me what that fire's twice?
05:59.02pkoli wonder if we're going to get an unarmoured protoss model
05:59.05pkoltaht would be so win
05:59.27Sixen(10:58:41 PM) Vortexx:         (Unit type of (Triggering ability target unit)) == Material - Long Bone
05:59.27Sixen(10:58:42 PM) Vortexx:         ((Triggering unit) has Accesory - Rock - Behaviour) == true
05:59.30Triceronprotoss porn?
05:59.32Sixensee if removing one of those fixes it
05:59.45SixenIt might be doing one per condition?
05:59.50Vortexxoh ya, no and...duh
05:59.56pkoli think the trigger fires if any condition is filled
06:00.06pkolyou can AND them somehow though
06:00.09SixenRight
06:00.12SixenThere's a logic AND
06:00.27Vortexxbut that still doesn't solve my slot problem
06:00.36Vortexx<PROTECTED>
06:00.44Vortexxthat refers to the 1st item picked up
06:01.02Vortexxso dumb
06:01.39VortexxI'm thinking it should be refrencing the slot index from the data editor, but nothing in the galaxy editor is logical...
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06:03.48pkolis there an easy to find if a unit in in a unit array without looping through it?
06:03.52pkolis in
06:04.05Alpha_vstahhh vortexx your smart
06:04.11Alpha_vst:D
06:04.27Alpha_vstgoodnight
06:04.33Vortexxhow's that? i've not hardly been able to do anything on my own
06:04.36Vortexx>.<
06:05.34Alpha_vstbut you figured out the items :P
06:05.52Alpha_vstand what it references
06:06.02Alpha_vsti still do hardly anything on my own lol
06:06.05Alpha_vstdont worry :D
06:06.28Vortexx:D
06:06.39Alpha_vstgoodnight
06:06.47Vortexxlater
06:08.26Skizothttp://i41.tinypic.com/14sflfk.jpg
06:08.32Skizotglowy = better?
06:09.11Sixenhmm
06:09.36Skizotmayeb i could tone down the letters.. leave the II glowy
06:13.08Triceronooh nice
06:13.08Skizothttp://i40.tinypic.com/21kaz51.jpg
06:13.10Skizotbetter?
06:13.12TriceronI think you should keep the letters dark
06:13.27Triceronlike metallic dark, then have the inside glow
06:13.36Skizoti have the II glowing.
06:13.45Skizotand ery faint glow on the letters
06:13.47Skizothold on
06:14.21Triceronyou have an emissive map for that?
06:14.24Triceronor is it using spec
06:14.49pkoloh wow
06:14.51pkolthats cool
06:14.56Skizothttp://i42.tinypic.com/1z19vsx.jpg
06:14.59Skizotemissive
06:15.00Triceronare you using HDR for the glow on 2?
06:15.08Skizothdr on 2?
06:15.11Skizotit's 1 i think
06:15.40Triceronyou get more of a sharp glow with higher HDR if you want the 2 to stand out
06:15.48Triceronbut I think that effects emmissive on the whole
06:17.09SkizotOOOOOH
06:17.11Skizotthanks tri!
06:17.20DustinGot my cooldown bar working :D
06:17.55Skizothttp://i41.tinypic.com/2m6opcw.jpg
06:17.59SkizotGLOWY II
06:18.00Skizot:D
06:18.08Triceronsuhweeeet :D
06:18.16Skizot:D
06:18.39Triceronit's like it's made out of khaydarin crystal
06:18.47Skizoti know.. i dig it!
06:18.51SkizotSixen?
06:19.35Sixenrawr
06:19.42Sixenthat looks cool =]
06:20.33Triceronhey Skiz, do you know if animated textures work with the exporter?
06:20.43Skizoti have yet to try them..
06:20.48Skizotbut i have a feeling they dont
06:20.52Triceronhmm, okay
06:20.56Skizotas you don't have a frame output.
06:20.57TriceronI'm curious how that'd be done
06:21.06Triceroncuz I remember War3 had a peculiar method
06:21.09Skizotaniamting the uvwmap is the easiest way
06:21.14Triceroninvolving animated UVs or something
06:21.18Triceronyeah.
06:21.26Skizotbut without a frameset, you can't do it.
06:21.30TriceronI kinda hope there's a new 'higher tech' method
06:21.48Triceronwhat about alphas or team colors
06:22.06JcupDoes anyone know how to allow shadows while in a top down camera?
06:22.12Triceroncuz I'm thinking of having an animated emissive that pulses
06:22.24Triceronand use an alpha map
06:22.35Triceronso I can get that Pylon energy pulse look on characters
06:23.35Dustinjcup what do you mean
06:23.38DustinShadows are always enabled
06:23.50DustinIf you have em enabled in your video settings anyway
06:24.19Triceronpress 'S'?
06:24.36Skizothttp://filesmelt.com/dl/Mapsterlogo.zip
06:24.50Skizotteam colors ARE possible tri
06:24.58Triceronwhat format is that
06:25.02Triceronthe logo
06:25.04Skizotthat zip?
06:25.06Skizotm3
06:25.17Triceronoh, quick q on that
06:25.28Tricerondoes the exporter pack textures into the .m3
06:25.45Triceronor is it reading paths from textures in your harddrive?
06:25.47Skizotno..
06:25.55Skizotreading the path from in the map
06:26.07JcupDustin when I set my camera to 90 degress my shadows dissapear but when I scroll out to normal cam it disables
06:26.08Triceronthat's if you import textures into the map
06:26.13Triceronbut I was playing around with models
06:26.17Triceronand I only imported my model
06:26.19Triceronand it has textures
06:26.26JcupDustin it returns to normal and I can see shadows*
06:26.26Triceronso it must be reading it from my drive, correct?
06:26.32DustinHmmm
06:26.33Skizothmmm
06:26.39DustinThats weird
06:26.43Skizotyou didn't import the textures at all?
06:26.47Triceronno
06:26.49Dustinunless your camera has a shadow clip
06:26.51Triceroncuz I usually did
06:26.54Triceronbut I tested once withou
06:26.54Skizotand you set it to read from the model?
06:26.57Jcuphmm
06:27.03TriceronI see my model with textures included
06:27.04JcupIll poke around at the came
06:27.04Skizotnot set your own dir.
06:27.07Jcupcam* lol
06:27.45Triceronthe exporter I leave at default 'Assets\Textures'   but I don't have any textures in a directory labeled as such
06:28.00Skizothttp://i42.tinypic.com/6sym1c.jpg
06:28.04Triceronand I just have a custom directory to draw the textures from in my Max file
06:28.13Skizotdid you have "use material path" checked?
06:28.23Triceronhmm, prolly that
06:28.30Skizotif so then YES
06:28.35Skizotit is reading from your hard drive
06:28.36Triceronokay
06:28.44Skizoti would honestly ALWAYS uncheck that.
06:28.54Skizotand put the textures in assets/textures
06:28.56Triceronyeah
06:29.03Triceronthat's what i was thinking of doing
06:29.27TriceronI don't want to get into these 'bad habits'
06:29.39Skizoti've been breaking myself today
06:29.39Skizotdoing all these models.
06:29.39Skizotas all you need are the m3's
06:29.46Skizotas the textures are part of sc2
06:29.54Triceronyah
06:30.24Triceronare you just keeping the mesh? no miscelaneous stuff in the .m3's?
06:30.43TriceronI don't know if their models include attachment point locators or whatnot
06:30.46Jcupah it dealt with the Angle Field of View its all good now :D
06:31.51UtilizeHoly crap i am bored.
06:31.51Skizotyou can't do attachment poitns yet.
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06:33.39Skizotthough i HAVE attached my models to units.
06:33.40Skizot:D
06:33.49Skizotyou can make some kooky shit that way
06:35.09Skizotsec i'll get ashot.
06:37.03UtilizeAnyone want a quick adaptive music song for their map or anything?
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06:37.40heysparkyhowdy folks
06:38.21Skizothttp://i44.tinypic.com/juejhs.jpg
06:38.28Skizotthe roachghost!
06:39.08Triceronhmm I think I did something wrong, the whole sc2mapster logo is glowing for me
06:39.28Triceronoooh infested ghost, nice :D
06:39.39Skizotpic?
06:39.56heysparkyheh, cool :D
06:40.28Triceronwait I know why
06:40.31Skizotit could be lined up better
06:40.49Skizotare the textures in "Assets/Textures/" in the import section?
06:41.09JcupDustin, hey now im having an issue where ill get shadows at the like starting spot of the cam but it wont follow
06:41.10Jcuplike shadows just dissapear
06:41.11UtilizeSomeone should make me a duplicate model of this picture
06:41.12Utilizehttp://www.gushmagazine.com/images/uploads/giraffe-wiener-dog.jpg
06:41.23Skizotwtf for.
06:41.27Utilizelol
06:41.28UtilizeDUH
06:41.32UtilizeSo i can make a show dog game
06:41.38UtilizeWatch him jump.
06:41.42Utilizeooooooo"fans clap"
06:41.49Utilizeahhhhh
06:41.49Triceronnuu, no change
06:41.53Triceronyeah they are
06:41.54DustinHmmm
06:41.59DustinIs it a farclip issues?
06:42.04Triceronoh wait
06:42.08Triceronthey aren't, dun dun dun
06:42.10Skizotshow me the import screen and the model in the world.
06:42.14Skizotlol
06:43.17UtilizeCan you use blender to make M3's btw?
06:43.57JcupDustin, I havent edited the camera besides the pitch, the camera isnt very far at all either
06:44.08Dustintake a screenshot
06:44.14Jcupin game?
06:44.17DustinyA
06:44.22Dustinof the problem
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06:46.49Triceron_Stupid firefox crashed
06:47.08Triceron_http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v293/Triceron/Mapster_test.jpg
06:47.13Triceron_in previewer
06:47.30JcupHere is the screen with shadows cuz I hadnt moved unit far enough to move the cam yet http://img714.imageshack.us/i/screenshot002sx.jpg/ and then here is the screen with no shadows I moved the unit just enough to move the cam where shadows dissapeared http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/6315/screenshot003zs.jpg
06:47.37JcupDustin ^
06:48.36Triceron_shadws disappearing, could it be graphcis glitch?
06:49.00JcupIt doesnt happen when my camera is at a normal angle which is odd
06:49.07Jcup>.<
06:49.38Dustinweird as fuck
06:49.49Dustingotta be angle thing
06:50.20SkizotTriceron_ show me your import window.
06:51.02Jcup>.< So setting the pitch to 90 is bad? how am I supposed to do topdown
06:51.05Jcupx.x
06:51.36Jcuplol I just tried testing to see if it was me by playing ur game Dustin topdown fighters and no it showed shadows the entire time
06:51.54JcupSo UGH lol did u set ur camera to a region?
06:52.14Dustinhehe
06:52.18Dustinno
06:52.23DustinIt pans to a unit
06:52.31JcupFffffuuuudddddggee, yeah thats what im doing too
06:52.43Triceron_http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v293/Triceron/Mapster_test2.jpg
06:55.04Triceron_Skizot I understood the problem
06:55.20Triceron_it was editor's graphics cache
06:55.44Skizotoh
06:55.45Triceron_doesn't reset itself when you import new models without the textures in the right place
06:55.47Skizotyou fixed it?
06:55.52Triceron_I restarted the editor, fixed it
06:55.56Triceron_I figured it was the issue
06:55.57Skizot:D
06:56.05Skizoti always import textures BEFORE models.
06:56.06Triceron_I had that problem when I was trying to update a texture
06:56.07Triceron_yeah
06:56.10Skizotsaves that issues
06:57.51Triceron_you have an alpha in the emissive file
06:57.53Triceron_what's that do?
06:58.48JcupFFFF I just want my shadows x.x
06:59.33Triceron_restart a scene
06:59.40Triceron_test if shadows work
06:59.43Triceron_just a basic unit
06:59.47Triceron_restart the editor
07:00.39Jcupi tested dustins game it works quite well, I just changed the cam angle to 45 angle it worked, just ugh ha
07:01.01Skizotdoesn't do anything.
07:01.05Skizotjust habit to alpha.
07:01.10JcupI think my game is saying "Make me 3rd person do it DO IT"
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07:02.52Clord98% of my thousands youtube views are from males
07:02.59ClordXD
07:04.05Triceron_you want more chicks watching?
07:04.08Triceron_add some kittens
07:04.51Triceron_or pictures of the dudes from Twilight as the youtube splash pic
07:05.10SkizotBWAHAHAHAHA
07:05.24Skizotghost in zerg armor is AWESOME.
07:05.34Azuyawn
07:06.07Jcupwtf x.x I just went across my map and shadows decide to say hey! and then bye then HAI then bye idk what to do ha
07:07.03Triceron_its your graphics card or something dude
07:07.09Triceron_the editor don't like it most likely
07:07.22JcupBut how come it isnt phased by other games x.x
07:07.23Triceron_that's what it sounds like to me
07:07.35Triceron_this is happening when you're running the game?
07:07.38Triceron_or only in the editor
07:07.42Jcupin the game
07:07.45Triceron_hrm
07:08.44Clordit is true that certain types of gaming is male dominated
07:08.56Clordat least if view percents are telling truth
07:09.02Jcupand ive made a different top down on a diff tile set and the shadows word
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07:09.05Jcupwork*
07:09.31ArdnivedWhat is this ticket system on Sc2Mapster?
07:10.20Skizotoooh
07:10.25Skizotfound the angle of the game.
07:10.28Skizot40 degrees.
07:10.46Skizotlogo looks ALOT better tilted back
07:11.03pkolscreenshots imo
07:11.40Skizothttp://i41.tinypic.com/10pn1ty.jpg
07:11.43Skizotingame angle and scale
07:11.49Skizotwell normal angle and distance
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07:13.08Azu:P
07:13.36Azudismemberd marines imo (y)
07:13.45Azu(spelling)
07:13.46Skizoti already did a dead marine.
07:14.03Azui hope it includes blood
07:14.04Azu:p
07:14.07Skizotno.
07:14.10Azu;<
07:14.11Skizotjust a dead marine.
07:14.27Skizothttp://filesmelt.com/dl/DeadRine.m3
07:14.41Azu.m3? :O
07:14.45Skizotyeah
07:14.46JcupWow... I tried to move my unit and.... nowwww my sc2 wont even load lol WTF is goin on x.x
07:14.48Skizotit's a model.
07:14.50Azuah
07:18.00Triceron_http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v293/Triceron/Mapster_test3.jpg
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07:21.22Triceron_so the ingame camera is tilted up 40 degrees?  inteeresting
07:21.58Skizotyup
07:22.04Skizoti tileted the BACK 40 degrees
07:22.27Skizotdid you edit the textures?
07:22.53Triceron_yah
07:23.22Triceron_I like glows :P
07:23.43Triceron_sucker for neon
07:25.26Skizotoh
07:25.44Skizotanyone have the europa grotesk font set?
07:32.28JcupFinally got it I set the angle to 89 degrees instead of 90 lol...
07:33.35Dustinwtf
07:33.44Dustinmy people just disappeared off my map...
07:34.25JcupI didnt do it I promise!
07:34.58Dustinhmm wtf is going on
07:35.29JcupThe editor is rebelling
07:35.34JcupUh check ur views
07:35.40JcupSee if u have units visible
07:35.56DustinYa it's jsut when I play the map now
07:36.19Jcuplol wow
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07:39.53HyBReDsup guys
07:40.31HyBReDits crazy ive taken over a week off the editor and not much seems to have been done that the war 3 engine wasn't capaple of
07:40.40HyBReDwodner if its all the war 3 modders creating all this stuff
07:40.43HyBReDwonder*
07:40.46DustinFucking A wtf is going on
07:41.00Skizothttp://i41.tinypic.com/10pn1ty.jpg
07:41.01Skizothybred
07:41.28HyBReDdid you have to edit the .m3 file for that?
07:41.35Skizotthey are ALL m3's
07:41.44HyBReDlike
07:41.46HyBReDin the game?
07:41.49Skizotitem models for drops
07:41.50Skizotyes
07:41.54Skizotthats from the editor
07:42.05HyBReDso they have all the attachable stuff
07:42.08HyBReDas actual weapons
07:42.20Skizotthey COULD but i'd have to resituate them
07:42.27Skizothttp://i44.tinypic.com/juejhs.jpg
07:42.47HyBReDobviously
07:42.47Skizotroachghost
07:42.47HyBReDso just to double check
07:42.48HyBReDyou didnt edit any models for that
07:42.58Skizothuh?
07:43.00Skizoti did.
07:43.03HyBReDall that is in game
07:43.04HyBReD?
07:43.08Skizoti edited alot of units and stole thier parts.
07:43.11Skizotyes.
07:43.11HyBReDyea
07:43.12HyBReDsee
07:43.20HyBReDbig whoop
07:43.21HyBReD:(
07:43.24HyBReDi mean its nice
07:43.32HyBReDbut i thought it was included in editor
07:43.33Skizoti made the scIImapster model
07:43.38HyBReDhas me going there for a second
07:44.25Triceron_lol, Blizz officially supporting sc2mapster with the editor :P
07:44.29Skizoti'm actually hunting the Europa Gro SB-Bol Ext Font.
07:44.43HyBReDthats not the modeal i meant Tric dont be dumb
07:44.44HyBReD:p
07:44.59ShuuffleWhat, you have a problem with Eurostile!?!?
07:45.01Triceron_haha
07:45.16HyBReDhows your rpg coming skizo
07:45.16HyBReDt
07:45.19Dustinwtf the editor jsut randomyl deleted my units outa the data editor wtf
07:45.28Skizotit's actually went in another direction.
07:45.33Skizotgonna be AWESOME though.
07:45.43HyBReDone thing i learned when wc3 modding
07:45.45HyBReDnever use that word
07:45.48HyBReDor anything relating to it
07:45.55HyBReDbetter to keep expectations low
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07:46.29Triceron_pshaw
07:46.30HyBReDfor ex, i knew my Sanctum spell was dopesauce but i never said it just in case somehow people didnt like it
07:46.31HyBReD;p
07:46.50Triceron_low expectations are for the weak.  Aim for the skies and beyond!
07:46.58HyBReDim a perfectionist so
07:47.06HyBReDtypically most of my shit is high-grade but even still
07:47.08HyBReDive had some failures
07:47.15Skizoti ran project revolution.
07:47.23Skizottrust me i know aiming for the sky XD
07:47.27HyBReDmy biggest achievement is probably my Project RBV
07:47.34HyBReDhttp://www.pgn-guild.com/video/rbv/rbv.html
07:47.46HyBReDits pretty slick
07:48.24HyBReDUI is a bit flooky, but i never really pushed it very hard past concept stage
07:50.10Triceron_I wonder
07:50.19Triceron_if anyone will attempt War3 for SC2
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07:50.26HyBReDof course.
07:50.32Triceron_redo all the models
07:50.34HyBReDpeople did SC1 and WC2 for WC3
07:50.38HyBReDredid models and everything
07:50.44HyBReDcomplete conversion
07:50.51HyBReDallthough the war 3 editor limited War 3 > War 2
07:50.53HyBReDquite a bit
07:51.01HyBReDoil was a pain in the ass, as was basic building mechanics
07:51.24Triceron_war3 would look so sweet with SC2 graphics
07:51.29HyBReDskizot: did project revolution ever finish
07:51.38Skizotwe killed the engine.
07:51.39Skizot:/
07:51.45HyBReDfigured as much
07:51.55Triceron_what happened?
07:51.58Triceron_I thought it worked
07:52.05HyBReDso i presume you were pretty involved with war3c then?
07:52.48Skizotvery
07:52.53Skizotwe have a terran demo
07:53.03Skizotbut zerg and toss has issues that we couldn't get past.
07:53.12Skizottoss for instance, the blue build rings.
07:53.14Dustinwhew
07:53.22DustinThank god for Dropbox and saved versions
07:53.43HyBReD<3 Dropbox
07:53.49HyBReDdont have much use for it though
07:54.01Triceron_war3 modding was fun, even though it was pretty limiting in some of the graphics areas
07:54.10HyBReDskizot i dont remember you on wc3c o.o
07:54.14HyBReDwas skizot your name?
07:54.17Skizotyup
07:54.47HyBReDah
07:54.48HyBReDhm
07:54.54HyBReD<- Linkmaster23
07:55.13Triceron_did you use IRC much HyBReD?
07:55.25HyBReDnah wasnt big on it at the time
07:55.27DustinI was TEC_Ghost over at WC3C
07:55.35HyBReDi still dont like it but Pidgin makes it bearable
07:55.50Triceron_that's where a lot of stuff was discussed
07:55.57HyBReDim sure
07:56.02HyBReDi always did things fairly independently
07:56.10heysparkywhy would the trigger 'set the playable map area to Region' cause the game to hang... : /
07:56.17Triceron_I left after War3
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07:56.19HyBReDmost of the stuff i was involved in wc3c was more helping than getting help
07:56.24Paras1teAny mod here?
07:56.33Triceron_I hated the idea that everything you imported custom model-wise
07:56.37Triceron_was added to the map
07:56.40Triceron_and there was a 4mb limit
07:56.48HyBReDthe 4mb limit was ridiculous
07:56.50Triceron_I had all my models made
07:56.51HyBReDdont know how Icefrog handles it
07:56.59Triceron_and the map couldn't handle ONLY models.
07:57.02DustinThey upped it to 8
07:57.18Triceron_I just got fed up and stopped modding it
07:57.22Triceron_moved on to Dawn of War
07:57.38Triceron_much more lenient modding methods
07:57.39HyBReDthey upped it to 8 like 6 months ago
07:57.42HyBReDdoesnt count dustin
07:57.42HyBReDhaha
07:57.45heysparky'set the playable map area...' any insight? hanging my map :(
07:57.49Dustin:P
07:57.53HyBReDwc3 editing is way out of its prime
07:57.56HyBReDtoo little too late im afraid
07:58.02HyBReDeven 8mb is a stupid limit
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07:58.06Triceron_no IK support
07:58.20HyBReDshould have just uncapped it alltogehter
07:58.22Zaratuliushello all
07:58.31Triceron_I stil remember rotating bones manually to animate
07:58.41Triceron_all the animations I did were so robotic
07:58.42HyBReDi never did any model realted stuff
07:58.47Triceron_luckily all I did was robots :P
07:58.48HyBReDmostly systems and code related stuff
07:59.12Triceron_but yheah, DOTA.. how that all fits into the 4mb limit
07:59.14Triceron_its crazy
07:59.38HyBReDive had my eyes set on a mini rpg
07:59.47HyBReDto prove how a true dialog system should work
07:59.56HyBReDand not this dumb shit you see in Oblivion and Dragon AGe
08:00.01ClordTriceron... making textures very poor quality etc can get far
08:00.02Clord^^
08:00.39Triceron_ugh, but what's the point of doing custom textures if they're gonna look like crap :(
08:01.12ClordDotA... it is not that well made map in the end but it made League of Legends game possible what is way better in my opinion
08:01.14Clord=)
08:01.33Paras1teI need mapster stuff here :O
08:01.44HyBReDClord fuck off
08:01.47ClordI just don't like item combining system what is not user friendly
08:01.57Clordbut DotA was still okay
08:01.58HyBReDclearly youve never edited in the war 3 editor
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08:02.10Clordyes I did.. over 20 maps
08:02.21HyBReDthen youd know DotA is far from coded badly
08:02.22HyBReDor even decently
08:02.23Paras1teLol, I was searching link to my project over net and found this:
08:02.27Paras1tehttp://www.createforum.com/wc3cg/viewtopic.php?t=4123&mforum=wc3cg
08:02.29ClordI didn't talk about coding
08:02.34ClordI did talk about experience while playing it
08:02.37Triceron_he means design
08:02.37HyBReDefficient
08:02.37Paras1te"Challenger Approaches" ;p
08:02.38HyBReDwhatever
08:02.41Triceron_game design
08:02.42HyBReDtheres limitations to things
08:02.54heysparkysmrt veteran mappers... wtf is wrong with 'set playable map area?' am I setting it inappropriately? hangs my map
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08:03.24Clordlol everyone not like DotA that much and you rage from it
08:04.05HyBReDits not about liking dota
08:04.08HyBReDyou can not like WOrld of warcraft
08:04.13HyBReDbut to say that its Item System is stupid
08:04.16HyBReDmakes you look like an idiot
08:04.31Triceron_well it's limited
08:04.36HyBReDDotA's limitations are limited by the engine
08:04.39HyBReDnot the game creator
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08:04.43Skizotanyone have this font? "Europa Grotesk SB Bold Extended"
08:04.43Triceron_that's the problem
08:06.38Triceron_if you think about it, does it make sense to design an item-combine system that requires 5 slots for some items; when you know the game is hard-coded for 6 item slots
08:06.54HyBReDbut no item requires 5 slots
08:06.58Triceron_you're forced to drop items down and buy what you need
08:07.08Triceron_yes there are
08:07.10HyBReDbut i understand what you mean
08:07.13HyBReDlike what
08:07.31HyBReDmost is 4
08:07.33Triceron_any high lvl recipe requires items that are made from combined smaller pieces
08:07.36HyBReDyea
08:07.38HyBReDi figured youd say that
08:07.45Triceron_so if you had a ton of cash
08:07.50Triceron_and you have inventory full
08:07.55Triceron_and you want to make that high lvl weapon
08:07.59HyBReDno good player has a ton of cash
08:08.02Triceron_you have to clear your inventory and start getting
08:08.05HyBReDbut i get what youre saying
08:08.07HyBReDagain
08:08.19HyBReDthere really isnt a solid way of going about fixing that issue in the wc3 engine
08:08.25Triceron_well that's gameplay vs game design
08:08.26HyBReDyou can have auto-build
08:08.31HyBReDnot really
08:08.38HyBReDin order to have more items
08:08.40HyBReDyou have to do that
08:08.49HyBReDits about game balance + updates
08:09.04Triceron_well that's because that's how people are used to playing
08:09.05HyBReDadding 1 item is going to be alot harder to balance when theres 20 items
08:09.06HyBReDversus 50
08:09.17Triceron_they don't think about dropping items to combine stuff and picking back up
08:09.19HyBReDas youll have to use said item in alot more recicipes
08:09.31Triceron_people generally don't steal allies weapons and stuff.
08:09.36HyBReDits because you cant
08:09.48HyBReDit breaks the item if you pick it up when it isnt yours
08:09.51Triceron_well changes were introduced later
08:09.55HyBReDyea..
08:10.02ShuuffleSkizot, is it a free font?
08:10.09HyBReDyou really think if Icefrog could get around dropping items he wouldnt doi t?
08:10.10HyBReDcome on
08:10.14HyBReDdont be dumb :(
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08:10.17Skizotprobably not.
08:10.45Triceron_that's what I'm saying tho.  The flaws are there
08:10.51Triceron_and because the flaws are there, they can be argued.
08:11.14HyBReDdue to engine..
08:11.17HyBReDnot user choice
08:11.17Triceron_it's not a perfect system.  It's damned good for what it is, and I respect it, but it's not perfect
08:11.25Triceron_and again, it goes into design
08:11.28HyBReDlol
08:11.31Triceron_if you know the engine is limited that way
08:11.36Triceron_why are you designing it
08:11.42Triceron_why not a more elegant approach
08:11.42HyBReDseriously?
08:11.49HyBReDwhats a more elegant approach then
08:11.50Triceron_combining outside of inventory
08:12.09Triceron_storing items that are bought externally, through a building
08:12.11Triceron_whatever
08:12.23Triceron_something that doesn't involve player dropping current items
08:12.30Triceron_there are work arounds
08:12.41ShuuffleHoradric Cube. Duh.
08:12.47HyBReDdo you have any idea how much of a hassle that would be
08:12.50Triceron_I'm not gonna speculate.  But it's the principle.
08:12.56HyBReDso youre suggesting putting the items into the stash to combine them?
08:12.57HyBReDseriously?
08:12.58HyBReD..
08:13.02HyBReDstash like *
08:13.37HyBReDone of the only possible improvements would be player specific buildings
08:13.41ShuuffleI was kidding, I'm not even paying attention
08:13.45HyBReDthat evovle based on current gold and items
08:13.58Triceron_again, I'm gonna avoid giving too many examples, because I'm just bullshitting them
08:14.02Triceron_so no, not seriously
08:14.03HyBReDof course
08:14.28HyBReDi think you'd be dumb to think that Icefrog wouldnt fix the item system if he felt there was a much better way about doing it
08:14.36Triceron_but that's what design is about.  Introduce a noob to the recipe system and if they don't understand it, it can be confusing
08:14.39HyBReDim sure theres tons of side steps
08:14.43Triceron_to anyone who's played DOTA, it's second nature
08:14.43HyBReDbut nothing magical
08:14.51HyBReDlol
08:14.54Triceron_but you compare this to say any game that doesn't have this engine limitation
08:14.55HyBReDthere is much more confusing shit in dota
08:14.57Triceron_then it's wtf
08:14.58HyBReDthan item recipies
08:15.07Triceron_yes, ther are
08:15.13HyBReDlol
08:15.16Triceron_which is why if you look at DOTA as a whole
08:15.19Triceron_it's not user friendly
08:15.23HyBReDnever was
08:15.30HyBReDTHAT is a fault of game design
08:15.32HyBReDbut not entirely
08:15.33ShuuffleBUT IT LOOKS SUPER FUN
08:15.37HyBReDbecause in order for it to be the way it is
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08:15.41HyBReDit requires alot of complex shit
08:15.50HyBReDif you want an example of what happens when you dumb down DotA
08:15.52Triceron_it's a fault of game design
08:15.58HyBReDlook at Demigod or Fat Princess for the PS3
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08:16.06HyBReDboth are shitty, noob'd versions of DotA
08:16.10HyBReDand they both fell straight on their face
08:16.18HyBReDFat Princess less so, but still
08:16.21HyBReDgame was horrid
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08:17.23Triceron_those games had their own faults.  I could list how many fail MMO's there are out there but it doesn't prove why WoW succeeds.
08:18.09Triceron_DOTA is constantly updated with more and more and more, and tunes its balance constantly with tons of user feedback
08:18.14Triceron_that's where its main strength comes from
08:18.20HyBReD-Laptoptrust me
08:18.33HyBReD-Laptopif Fat Princess and Demigod weren't dumbed down retarded versions of DotA
08:18.34HyBReD-Laptopthey would have done fine
08:18.38HyBReD-Laptopthere was shittons of hype around Demigod
08:18.41HyBReD-Laptopand fat princess
08:18.45Triceron_but it's still built on a system that isn't as elegant as it could be.  It's polished greatly, but it has to work with what its given
08:18.46HyBReD-Laptoppeople were prepared to embrace the games
08:19.00HyBReD-Laptopbut they thought they could simply a complicated game and got destroyed
08:19.05heysparkyalso remember that DOTA is free
08:19.09HyBReD-LaptopLeague oF legends is only managing to stay alive because its free
08:19.11HyBReD-Laptopits not free
08:19.20HyBReD-Laptopbut may as well be
08:20.21Triceron_Well it's like someone deciding to make an FPS out of War3
08:20.35Triceron_it could be a fantastic map
08:20.38Triceron_played by tons of people
08:20.47Triceron_but the aiming system might be crap
08:20.52Triceron_due to engine limitations
08:21.08DustinWe did do FPS in wc3
08:21.16DustinWe had to use a third party program for the mosue look
08:21.17DustinBut it worked
08:21.25Triceron_none were ever popular
08:21.26HyBReD-Laptoplol
08:21.32HyBReD-LaptopDustin all of them sucked terriblyu
08:21.39HyBReD-Laptoplimited by war3s engine
08:21.44Triceron_but I'm saying, if it were popularized
08:21.49HyBReD-LaptopTrice, youre wron
08:21.50HyBReD-Laptopg
08:21.51Triceron_it still doesn't mean it's a good thing
08:21.56DustinFPS Mod was the best the was
08:22.00Dustinthere*
08:22.08HyBReD-LaptopDotA is an RTS style game, built in an RTS engine
08:22.11HyBReD-Laptopthe flow works
08:22.18HyBReD-LaptopRTS > FPS is unnatural
08:22.22Triceron_but they're not consistently popular
08:22.25pkoli agree
08:22.29Triceron_the RTS->FPS games
08:22.41pkoli think once the inital 'omg FPS GAMES OMG!!!" thing dies off
08:22.44Triceron_I'm talking about an RPG item system
08:22.45HyBReD-Laptopbecause game mechanics are the single most important aspect of the game
08:22.49pkolwe'll be back to more rts orinated games
08:22.51Triceron_that is as complex as it is
08:22.55Triceron_being in an RTS game
08:23.01Triceron_which is where my comparison lies
08:23.07Triceron_it's good for what it is
08:23.10Triceron_in DOTA
08:23.12HyBReD-Laptopsc2 has the power to mak eit not suck
08:23.14HyBReD-Laptopwar3 doesnt
08:23.17Triceron_just like FPS mod is as good as what it is for War3
08:23.29HyBReD-Laptopyes but the fps mod was nigh-unplayable
08:23.30Triceron_but it's still limited
08:23.39pkolim not conviced how good all these fps/3ps maps will be online
08:23.48pkolwith lag and such
08:23.49HyBReD-Laptopthey wont be
08:23.49Shuufflenot at all imo
08:23.52pkolyeah
08:23.55Triceron_again, DOTA's item system has been polished over many many years
08:24.04Triceron_so yes, it's playable
08:24.11Triceron_but there were iterations when it was not
08:24.15HyBReD-Laptopits remained the same basically the entire time since recipes were added
08:24.21Triceron_and trust had to be built between players
08:24.31Triceron_no it hasn't
08:24.31HyBReD-Laptoponly changes have been made to the faggoty shit you can do
08:24.37Triceron_yes, and that's a problem
08:24.37HyBReD-Laptopnot so much the core mechanic
08:24.47Triceron_that was a big big problem
08:24.48HyBReD-Laptopof course, but easily fixable, which it was
08:24.49HyBReD-Laptopno it wasnt
08:24.54HyBReD-Laptopit was never a big problem
08:25.01HyBReD-Laptopit was just a nusance randomly
08:25.06Triceron_it's griefing
08:25.18HyBReD-LaptopD2 has griefing and its considered one of the greatest games eve rmade
08:25.21Triceron_just like joining back in the days when you could attack allies
08:25.30HyBReD-Laptoplol
08:25.31Triceron_D2 succeeds in other ways
08:25.40HyBReD-Laptopand DotA succeeds in other ways...
08:25.41HyBReD-Laptopwow
08:25.42HyBReD-Laptoplook at that
08:25.44HyBReD-Laptopfull circle
08:25.44HyBReD-Laptopk
08:25.50HyBReD-Laptopdone talking about this, im getting bored
08:25.55Triceron_so we're saying D2 = DOTA here?
08:26.00HyBReD-Laptopplease
08:26.03Triceron_this is where it's going to come to?
08:26.04DustinIs there a field in an ability to make it cast without facing the target point
08:26.05HyBReD-Laptopdont be dumb
08:26.05Triceron_you're syaing that
08:26.08HyBReD-Laptopno im not
08:26.09HyBReD-Laptopholy fuck
08:26.24Triceron_why is D2 being brought into this
08:26.39HyBReD-Laptopyou said a huge issue was griefing
08:26.53HyBReD-Laptopyet D2 managed to do just fine with the worst griefing ever in an online game
08:26.56Triceron_which DOTA later stomped out with many of its mechanics
08:26.58HyBReD-Laptopyes
08:27.00HyBReD-LaptopD2 didnt
08:27.02Triceron_through iterations
08:27.03HyBReD-Laptopand it did fine
08:27.11HyBReD-Laptopproof that the changes were nice, but not entirely required
08:27.23HyBReD-Laptopso thats why D2 was brought in
08:27.32Triceron_D2's griefing is not the same
08:27.39HyBReD-Laptoplol
08:27.40HyBReD-Laptopyoure right
08:27.42HyBReD-Laptopits 5000x worse
08:27.43Triceron_there's no team goal
08:27.47HyBReD-Laptopno
08:27.52HyBReD-Laptopbut theres 50 hours of your life gone
08:27.53Triceron_you're not working WITH other people to win a match
08:27.54HyBReD-Laptoppotentially
08:28.06Triceron_D2 is practically solo game
08:28.06HyBReD-Laptopits not even comparable how much worse D2's griefing was
08:28.17Triceron_you can't solo in DOTA if someone on your team is griefing
08:28.23Triceron_you can't just leave
08:28.31Triceron_so no, the D2 griefing isn't the same
08:28.32Clordnext patch mid may
08:28.32HyBReD-Laptoplol
08:28.33HyBReD-Laptopwow
08:28.34HyBReD-LaptopWOW
08:28.37HyBReD-Laptopi think
08:28.48heysparkyhaven't been able to find anything about set playable area trigger hanging maps... anyone know why it's borking my game?
08:28.58HyBReD-Laptopthis is one of the few times im just going to walk away from an arguement stunned
08:29.09HyBReD-Laptopthe fact you cant see the links im making is mind blowing to me
08:29.13Triceron_How can you compare a game where you can join randomly
08:29.20Triceron_compared to a game you have to set up and launch
08:29.26Triceron_in terms of griefing allies?
08:29.29HyBReD-Laptoplol
08:29.31HyBReD-Laptop45m game
08:29.33Triceron_it's not the same thing
08:29.34HyBReD-Laptopvs days
08:29.38Triceron_days?
08:29.39HyBReD-Laptopwhats going to hurt more
08:29.43HyBReD-Laptopit took people days to farm ittems
08:29.45HyBReD-Laptoplike the Ith Blade
08:29.46Triceron_what, losing EXP?
08:29.52HyBReD-Laptoponly to have it griefed out of them
08:29.57HyBReD-Laptopgone forever
08:30.05HyBReD-Laptophaving someone steal your stupid Skadi
08:30.13HyBReD-Laptopyou lose 30 minutes of effort
08:30.13Triceron_and that's a flaw of D2, no?
08:30.16HyBReD-Laptopomg
08:30.19Triceron_but your argument
08:30.22Triceron_is D2 is still successful
08:30.30Triceron_despite that kind of griefing
08:30.31Triceron_thus
08:30.34Triceron_you're making the argument
08:30.44Triceron_that griefing is acceptable if the game is successful
08:30.50HyBReD-Laptopim not saying its acceptable
08:30.54HyBReD-Laptopim saying it wont destroy a game
08:30.55Triceron_I know you're not saying it is
08:31.15Triceron_it won't destroy the game = it's playable = it's acceptable
08:31.23HyBReD-Laptoplol
08:31.24Triceron_is that not the same thing?
08:31.27HyBReD-Laptopits not
08:31.32Triceron_explain the difference
08:31.35HyBReD-Laptopbut feel free to make that connection
08:31.50HyBReD-Laptopits so much more complicated than that and you know it
08:32.00HyBReD-Laptopi dont know why you insist on bubbling everything down to black and white
08:32.15Triceron_if you know it's there, and you know it's a bad thing, but you continue to work around/ignore/whatever to play the game
08:32.21Triceron_it's as good as being acceptable
08:32.24HyBReD-Laptopbecause the majority of the time
08:32.33HyBReD-Laptopthe game is fun, enjoyable, and working great
08:32.47HyBReD-Laptopa few kinks in the dash arent worth bitching about the car
08:33.04HyBReD-Laptopim going to go play HoN now, im being yelled at
08:33.23Triceron_either way, DOTA ain't perfect.  I don't see fault in bitching about its flaws when we all know it has em
08:34.31Triceron_I still respect it for what it is
08:34.47ShuuffleToo bad Pokemon's a better game
08:34.51Shuuffleargue THAT one
08:34.52heysparkyI'd like to get back to discussing mapses
08:34.58Shuufflenah you cant
08:35.12heysparkyand helping me for the love of pete
08:35.28ShuuffleWhat's the question
08:35.51heysparkywhat would cause 'set playable map area' to hang my map
08:36.03heysparkyI made a test map that sets playable in map init and it works fine
08:36.41heysparkybut in my 'real map' the same structure causes hangs
08:37.04BemoliphIs your real map much larger than your test map?
08:37.51heysparkytest map 128x128, real map 128x256, twice as big
08:38.24BemoliphIn your test map, how much of a shift do you make compared to your real map?
08:39.00heysparkytest confined playable area to ~64x64
08:39.43DustinWooot
08:40.00DustinAnyone want to help me test my map real quick, need to see if custom UI is working MP
08:40.01heysparkyreal map (is supposed to) toggle between 3 areas ranging in size (all squares) 128, 68, 36
08:40.34heysparkytest map does not use F key to toggle playable area
08:40.44heysparky(made hotkeys, basically)
08:40.55BemoliphWhen you switch between 68 and 36, is there a noticable difference in time between that and 36 -> 128?
08:41.56heysparkyit never shifts ever
08:41.57heysparkyit hangs
08:42.25BemoliphTry making your test map exactly the same size as your real map
08:42.37BemoliphAnd see if it still works or if that also breaks
08:42.43ShuuffleDustin, I will
08:43.38Dustinwoot
08:43.41Dustinneed 2 more
08:44.57heysparkytrying
08:45.31heysparkytest map doesn't break... stripping away differences...
08:45.48heysparkydoesn't seem to be the 'set playable' must be some way that I'm triggering
08:46.10Dustinhttp://dl.dropbox.com/u/843426/TopDownFightersV8.00.SC2Map
08:46.16Dustindustin.dustinh on bnet
08:47.45UtilizeWhat kind of map is that?
08:48.00DustinTop Down Shooter / RPG
08:48.44UtilizeIs it any good?
08:48.47UtilizeOr just in alpha?
08:48.53DustinIt's mine
08:48.57DustinIt's fun
08:49.09UtilizeCool
08:49.14ShuuffleI'm on
08:49.19UtilizeI will check it in a few mins
08:49.35DustinShuuffle, add me
08:50.38ShuuffleI did
08:50.44ShuuffleShu.uffle is mine btw
08:50.45Dustindidnt come up
08:50.48Dustinwhats your id
08:51.25Shuufflejust said it
08:51.54Dustinah lol
08:51.55Dustininvited
08:52.00DustinAnyone else comin?
08:52.22GrumDustin: is it usable for enGB?:)
08:52.31Grumv7 wasnt :(
08:52.40DustinYou'll have to make the change
08:52.49DustinNot a published versino yet so I ahvent messed with it :P
08:56.54pkolstill need people dustin?
08:57.56ClordI made published version some minor fixes... in my map... but once publishing feature goes up I update directly there
08:58.03DustinWe just started, but I think I need to make a fix
08:58.28pkolwell, here and keen if you need more people
08:58.42Clorddamn.. I made public version some minor fixes
08:58.45ClordI need to wake up
08:58.46ClordXD
08:59.00Dustink :)
09:04.10Dustinalrighty
09:04.13Dustinpkol
09:04.13Dustinhttp://dl.dropbox.com/u/843426/TopDownFightersV8.01.SC2Map
09:05.09DustinNew game is up Shuuffle
09:05.28Shuuffleok
09:06.55pkolbah, wheres the map replacer tool thing
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09:08.11Dustinhttp://www.sc2mapster.com/assets/sc2-custom-map-patcher/
09:08.55Shuuffleinvite
09:09.29Dustinwtf says you're offline
09:09.39Shuuffleweird
09:09.42ShuuffleI'll relog
09:09.46pkolpkol.pkol
09:09.48pkollogging now
09:10.13ShuuffleI'm on
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09:12.00heysparkyshuuffle, still breaking... back to trigger drawing board
09:12.06ReactorexHey, really quick question if anyone's around who's familiar with game UI.
09:12.15DustinMuhhyybee
09:13.27ReactorexOne of the display maps on sc2mapster's home page a week or so ago showed a small blue bar that filled up over time for a custom ability the person made. I'd like to use a bar that fills up and 'drains out' for a value in my game. What could I use to do that?
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09:18.56Beiderwas there a new patch recently?
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09:21.52Skizothttp://i43.tinypic.com/3133v9k.jpg
09:21.54Skizot:D
09:22.01SkizotSUPARSEKRETSCREENSHOT
09:23.12heysparkyGRAAARRRR
09:23.20heysparkystupid playable map
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09:36.04Dustinwoot
09:36.14pkoltwas pretty bro
09:36.16pkolpro
09:36.28DustinOther then the lag and weapon bars overlapping that went well
09:36.30SkizotTDF?
09:36.39ShuuffleYeah, pretty good, what you have so far
09:36.42Shuufflevery fast paced
09:36.50Shuuffleor maybe that's because pkol charged in like an angry beaver
09:36.56pkolhaha
09:37.04pkoli got told that alot in wow too
09:37.06pkol:p
09:37.29Shuuffleit's hard to aim to heal sometimes though
09:37.40DustinYa Skizot my TDF map hehe
09:37.43Shuuffleor the bullet will hit someone else in between me and the guy lol
09:37.43DustinYa it is
09:37.47DustinEspecialyl when you're lagging bad
09:38.05DustinTest it out single player and see how smooth it should be :P
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09:38.31Shuuffleoh I believe it
09:38.39ShuuffleI had a freakin racing game
09:38.45Paras1teEhhh
09:38.45Paras1teI just love when people copy ideas..
09:38.47Shuuffletested it on b.net, said "fuck this lag"
09:39.50Skizotdustin.
09:40.02Skizotyou should put my sc2mapster logo in the map
09:40.07Skizotlike at the char select XD
09:40.18Skizothttp://i43.tinypic.com/3133v9k.jpg
09:40.19BeiderParas1te: Most ideas are copied in the first place. Heck starcraft itself is just copied/re-hashed of other peoples ideas
09:40.38Dustinima throw one in the loading screen when I make it
09:40.39Shuufflelook at the 8 million copies of tower d
09:41.11Skizotbut.....the model
09:41.31Skizothttp://filesmelt.com/dl/Mapsterlogo.zip
09:41.32pkoloh wow, the ghost's airstrike looks pro
09:41.38Paras1teBeider: Yeah, but i'm talking about even smallest inventions are being copied ;/
09:42.14pkolbut yeah
09:42.23pkolhopefully blizzard will allow real pings for custom games
09:42.42Azu-away11:21 Skizot • http://i43.tinypic.com/3133v9k.jpg :o
09:43.07heysparkygnight folks
09:43.08Skizothttp://i39.tinypic.com/qpj4w3.jpg
09:43.11Skizotbetter shot
09:43.15ShuuffleLOL I agree, that air strike was awesome
09:43.21Azu:x
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09:44.03Azushower, just got home from pratcice ;<
09:44.08Skizotvjeux!
09:44.12vjeuxheya Skizot
09:44.15Skizothttp://i39.tinypic.com/qpj4w3.jpg
09:44.16Skizot;)
09:44.22BeiderParas1te: they always are, everything is copied and improved upon by others. It sucks to come up with something cool and have it copied, but then again just think about how much you yourself rip off other people. Almost every thing you ever make will be clones of what other people have made before you
09:44.40SkizotAdverModels :D
09:44.41vjeuxit needs antialiasing
09:44.43vjeuxbut it's awesome!! :P
09:44.53Skizotantialiasing?
09:44.54Dustinpkol, ya i pretty pleased at how that spell turned out hehe
09:45.07vjeuxlogo edges are really harsh
09:45.10Skizotmust have it off ingame.
09:45.12Skizot:/
09:45.26DustinI'm*
09:45.52Beidergoes off to make another tutorial
09:45.56vjeuxanyway that's really awesome
09:46.10vjeuxcould you just make a little tutorial on how to add it ingame
09:46.35vjeuxor even if it's not a tutorial, at least instructions :)
09:47.10Skizotit's easy ;)
09:47.25Skizotshould i put it in the promote thread?
09:47.30vjeuxyup
09:47.55vjeuxalso, please attach the files directly in the post (Attach at the top right of the message)
09:48.16vjeuxI'm not convinced mediafire and imageshack will keep the files up indefinitely
09:49.54Skizottinypic and filesmelt XD
09:50.19vjeuxwell, same :p
09:50.27Shu_ufflehttp://img268.imageshack.us/img268/323/screenshot019kyw.jpg
09:50.31Shu_ufflejust because :P
09:50.58vjeuxnice
09:51.14Shu_ufflehyperion looks way cooler than battlecruiser :(
09:51.37Skizotlol the ui?
09:52.50Shu_uffleSkizot should rip the hyperion out and make it an m3!
09:53.01Skizoti could >_>
09:53.18Arthas-make it as big too
09:53.23Arthas-unit scaling ftl!
09:53.50vjeuxSkizot: should rip all the models of every game and make it an m3!
09:54.14Arthas-yeah
09:54.36Arthas-and create an archive that knows what model you want and suggest.... nay, implement it for me !
09:55.00Arthas-skizot, remember that cookie we talked about?=
09:55.11Arthas-gives Skizot a real cookie approved by vjeux!
09:55.17Arthas-now go bet busy! :D
09:55.36Shu_uffleDustin, get a video of your map imo
09:55.58DustinI probably will tomorrow
09:56.46Skizotholy crap.
09:56.55Skizotthat ui model is crashing my max :/
09:57.12vjeuxhttp://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/cardcraft-sc/images/
09:57.16Shu_ufflelol
09:57.17vjeuxthis looks really nice
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10:01.37Skizotokay hyperion is a no go.
10:03.06Azuah
10:03.09Azuthat was nice
10:04.40DustinHoly fuck, it has a tournament bracket thing
10:07.13Shu_uffle:(
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10:08.07Skizotooooohhhhh
10:08.16Skizotcustom skyboxes.
10:09.40Azucardcraft looks cool :o
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10:18.05DustinFuck it's 5am lol
10:18.08DustinIm off to bed!
10:18.15Azugm :P
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10:24.21Beiderjust finished another tutorial on making Range Indicators and Spell Effects with the data editor
10:25.19vjeuxgreat
10:26.25Sixen=D
10:27.14Beidersadly it's a pain to make range indicators because the data editor has some bugs
10:27.28BeiderIt's impossible to use the effect trigger to make an actor appear when a unit is selected
10:27.45BeiderWell you can make it appear when any unit is selected, but not a unit of a particular type
10:27.53Beider(like blizzard does in their effects)
10:28.49Mojahcehttp://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/platformsdemo/
10:28.53Mojahcehigh score vjeux
10:28.54Mojahcego
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10:29.12vjeuxplease add a screenshot :)
10:30.14Mojahcehow do I even do that
10:31.04vjeuxUpload image
10:31.13vjeuxin the admin panel of the map
10:32.41Skizot:(
10:33.43Mojahcethere you go sir
10:35.25pkol:( next platform spawns on the other side of the map
10:35.27vjeux27.3 :x
10:35.32pkolpretty aweosme though
10:36.46Azuspam
10:36.48Azu14»»7 MPClassic 14«»7 [7¦¦¦¦¦¦5¦¦¦¦¦¦¦¦¦¦¦¦¦¦7] The.Big.Bang.Theory.S03E21.The.Plimpton.Stimulation.HDTV.XviD-FQM 14«»7 06:27 / 20:56 14«»7 624x352 14«»7 23,979 fps 14«»7 ~142.5KB/s 14«»7 174.78MB 14«« XviD MPEG-4 codec
10:37.12Mojahceyeah it's just an example of platforms for games
10:37.22MojahceI just took an extra 30 mins to turn it into a minigame
10:37.24vjeux:)
10:38.08Sixeno_o
10:38.13SixenWasn't your name Mojache?
10:38.14Sixen:|
10:38.53vjeuxhe changed because Mojache was being too popular
10:39.02vjeuxhe wants to be incognito!
10:39.04Azulols
10:39.05SixenThat's logical
10:39.23Mojahceits early
10:39.50Sixen;)
10:39.59Siexn<3
10:40.29Siexnlol
10:41.07vjuexhttp://www.youtube.com/user/OneTwoSC#p/p
10:41.07fackyouguysdid i do it right?
10:41.14vjuexthis guy is really crazy
10:41.19vjuexhe made like 20 video tutorials
10:41.53Sixen:P
10:46.00Skizoti still don't know how to incorporate that into map map mojache but okay XD
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10:46.27Skizoti am hijacking your movement code though.
10:46.31Skizotsimpler than mine.
10:47.15vjeuxlol :p
10:47.34Skizotwell he made that for my sidescroller.
10:47.44Mojacheyou just take the platform code
10:47.49Mojacheand instead of random values
10:47.55Skizotbut it just looks weird with all the library disks floating around.
10:47.56Mojacheyou put in where you want that platform to spawn
10:48.07Mojacheyou can easy change the model
10:48.10Mojacheof the platform too
10:48.16Azusomeone pm me when a working ssmb map is released
10:48.18Mojacheits just an actor attached to anotherone
10:48.26vjeuxssmb?
10:48.28Azussb*
10:48.31Mojachesmash brothers
10:48.32vjeuxssb?
10:48.40vjeuxoh super smash bros!
10:48.41Mojacheplatform fighter
10:48.48vjeuxomg need it
10:48.51Azuyeah
10:48.52Azu:P
10:48.54vjeuxplayed it too much on wii :P
10:48.55MojacheWINK
10:49.02AzuWINK WINK?!
10:49.06Mojacheim having a problem with my banelings yet again though
10:49.11Mojachethey refuse to die where I want them to die
10:50.04vjeuxteleport them where you want and kill them there :p
10:50.13Mojachewell im just using sucide baneling damage
10:50.19Mojacheas a default attack method
10:50.22Mojacheand i say
10:50.26Mojachehey go here
10:50.31Mojachebut it refuses to blow up there
10:50.44vjeuxtell them to blow up on a point
10:50.46Mojacheoffset it by 100 and it still stays directly on the unit
10:50.50vjeuxthey will go to the point and blow up
10:51.33Mojachei hate the enviroment "create effect" trigger
10:51.41Mojacheit just feels like its not working properly
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10:54.14Skizotoh god yes
10:54.21Skizotmovement code = ALOT BETTER
10:55.24Azu:o
10:55.29Skizotnow i have to make a more fitting platform :/
10:56.51sjaakanyone knows if there is a way to link a unit with a series of points? Like a linked list or something?
10:56.56Skizotand still figure out how to make it stop spawning platforms :(
10:57.48Mojachethere is code
10:57.57Mojachein the middle that is litteraly saying
10:57.59Mojacherun this trigger
10:58.04Mojachejust delete that
10:58.15Mojacheas its calling it's self
10:58.18Mojacheto make a new platform
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11:00.31Skizottrying to figure out how to turn off double jumps... lol
11:00.39Azu:p
11:01.02Mojachejump reset
11:01.06Mojachemake it 1
11:01.26Zaratuliusdoes anyone want to test my map with me? :)
11:02.16Azusure
11:02.22Zaratuliusi will upload it in a sec
11:03.14Skizoti don't see where it's actually setting the height of the unit..
11:03.23Skizotyou need to learn to comment.. LOL
11:03.26Zaratuliushttp://www.speedyshare.com/files/22411577/Warrior_-_Kopia.SC2Map
11:03.39Mojachedude I made it in an hour
11:03.45Skizoti'm just playin.
11:03.48BeiderNew Video Tutorial: Range Indicator and Spell Effects: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0YBP485dxA (It is still processing, so video quality is bad. Will be HD in an hour or so)
11:03.53Mojachethere isn't that many lines of code and your not suppose to be using the movement code lol
11:03.54Skizotbut still trying to figure some stuff out.
11:03.57Mojachejust taking the platform code
11:04.07Skizotwell the platform code confuses me!
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11:04.19Skizoti don't see where it's messing with the hieghtmaps :/
11:04.49ZaratuliusAzu can u give me your name and identifier bnet
11:05.00Azuazu.nyan
11:05.02GrumSkizot: just use the cubes?
11:05.46vjeuxBeider: I don't see a sc2mapster link! :p
11:06.29Beidervjeux: Most of my earlier videos have a mention of sc2mapster
11:06.40SixenWhere's this ones? :)
11:06.52vjeuxanyway, could you make a thread on the tutorial section
11:06.54vjeuxwith you video
11:06.56Sixenlol
11:07.00vjeuxi'm pretty sure people will like it
11:07.01BeiderAlready have a thread
11:07.04BeiderWith all my videos
11:07.14vjeuxok
11:07.16Beiderhttp://forums.sc2mapster.com/development/tutorials/603-data-video-tutorials/#comments
11:07.24Beiderjust didn't update it with that video yet
11:07.53SixenOh! Beider, that's Bifuu
11:08.01SixenBif- foo
11:08.01Sixen:P
11:08.22Beider^^
11:08.46vjeuxi would recommand you to insert the latest video with the <<youtube>> tag
11:09.00vjeuxso people will see what it looks like when reading the thread
11:09.05Beideroh
11:09.14Beiderhmm going to be one massive thread though
11:09.21Beiderif I insert all my youtube videos with that tag
11:09.39Beideras I already have 8 youtube videos there
11:09.56vjeuxyou could make one thread per section
11:10.18vjeux[Trigger] Basic Trigger -> the 4 youtube videos
11:10.27Beidertrue, but such a pain to maintain multiple threads ^^
11:10.30vjeux[Trigger] Difficulty Dialog
11:10.32Skizothmmm
11:10.57vjeuxwell, you did a really great job with those tutorials, but they do not get the coverage they should :)
11:11.27BeiderI suppose, well I can re-organize once I am done converting all my old livestream videos to youtube
11:11.31Beiderwill do it over the weekend
11:11.31LonZealotlol at about 2000 units sc2 stops displaying all the units on the map
11:11.40LonZealot*minimap
11:12.12MojacheBOOM baby
11:12.18Mojacheheight damaing tables
11:12.27Skizotcan you do "for each point in region" ?
11:12.48vjeuxthere's an infinite point in a region :p
11:12.53vjeuxnumber of
11:13.16vjeux(in theory at least)
11:14.08Zaratuliusmakeing it multiplayer required a redone of almost all code but it works :D
11:14.17Azu:p
11:14.35Skizotwell you can CREATE points.
11:14.37Skizot:P
11:19.22Sixenalright, i'm going to sleep. 4:20AM.
11:20.12Mojacheoh man who wants my StarSmash map
11:20.59LonZealotwhy does my hero loose his move ability when he levels up?
11:21.19Mojachehttp://www.wittywizard.com/starcraft/smash001.SC2Map
11:21.28Azu:O
11:21.29MojacheAD to move, space to jump
11:21.33Mojachemouse click to attack
11:21.39Azuhaha
11:23.42vjeuxyou should make the baneling invisible :p
11:23.51Mojachei have it visible for testing
11:23.58vjeuxok
11:24.16Azucool :p
11:24.31depthsofchaosinvisible banelings wtf !!!
11:25.01Mojachebaneling is my goto unit in the data editor ;o
11:25.09Mojacheits a crutch
11:25.17ZaratuliusLonZealot: check your Veterancy becouse when u lvl up u restet your movement speed to 0
11:25.19Azu:p
11:25.37LonZealotok
11:26.08Skizotoh hey.
11:26.21Skizotthis has alot easier to snatch platform code :D
11:26.38Skizotalso, is it using the platmor model as the hitbox?
11:26.39Mojachesigh its the exact same code
11:26.40Mojachelol
11:26.55Skizotwell you took out the auto respawn crap that was irking me.
11:27.40Mojachegod now I need to do knockback
11:27.47Azu:p
11:27.48Mojacheis there an effect for knocking creatures back?
11:28.02Azuthen use knockback code for warlocks sc2 map (y)
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11:28.59MojacheI really don't want to build it with move unit instantly
11:29.01Mojachei think that would lag
11:29.51Beiderthe platform code is a bit poorly implemented though
11:30.01Mojachein what sense?
11:30.05Beiderbut i'm guessing it's a first draft
11:30.18Beidercould be made more efficient
11:30.55Mojacheit's pretty efficient right now, I mean it's completely based in a single trigger you can call
11:31.20Mojacheit will need to be modified for multiple people but
11:32.15BeiderI think I'd rather stick the check on the player unit instead of on each separate platform, due to the fact that the amount of platforms will most likely be higher than the amount of players
11:32.27Azu-awaycu
11:32.46Beidereither that, or use a region check instead. That enables the trigger only when a player is within the region of a platform
11:32.58Beiderso you don't have a constant loop running per platform
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11:33.17SkizotHAH REGIONS!
11:33.38Beiderhah regions?
11:33.41Mojacheregion check doesn't work for height
11:33.49Mojachehence why it has to loop
11:33.57Mojachethis isn't the warcraft there days
11:34.05Mojacheyou can get away with infinate loops
11:34.07BeiderNo but the loop could be enabled / disabled as the unit enters the region of the platform on the X/Y axis
11:34.25Mojacheevents are worse then loops
11:34.31Mojacheyou want to reduce the amount of events called
11:34.52BeiderNot really, events are implemented at a lower level and optimized more than the scripted trigger code
11:34.53Mojachegive it a try and watch the stress on the game
11:35.01Mojachethe more events you call the more lag you generate
11:35.11Mojachebut if you had 1 event with the same amount of inifinate loops
11:35.16Mojacheit generates less cpu lag
11:35.34Mojachehence why most of my stuff is built in single triggers on While Condition loops
11:36.02Skizoti'm making a custom platform model
11:36.05Beiderin my experience trigger implementations are slower than using events
11:37.04Mojacheif you can find a way to check height with a trigger by all means
11:37.08Mojacheyou cannot do it with region checks
11:37.16Mojachebecause region checks check when you enter/leave
11:37.22Mojachewhat if your underneath a platform?
11:37.27Mojacheyour already in the region
11:37.33Beiderthen the trigger will be enabled
11:37.53Mojacheenabled but you still have to use a loop to keep it active
11:38.19Beideryes, but it is still uneccesary to have a loop running for each platform when no player is near it
11:38.48Mojachein reality unless you use a lot it won't matter either way, however if it did
11:38.56Mojachethe turning on and off of triggers will cause stuttering
11:39.03Mojacheit will be to the effect of "zone" lag in a game
11:39.08Valconeyequick Q, does anyone have any info on custom cursor, or removing the selection ability from the default cursor?
11:39.10Mojachewhere you enter a region and it turns that trigger on
11:39.30Beideractually what I would do would not be to enable or disable a trigger
11:39.55Beiderbut rather make an action that took in the unit and platform. Which would keep checking for as long as the unit stayed on that platform
11:39.58Beideronce it left it would shut down
11:41.08Clordgives me idea of supply depot gate
11:41.09Clordautomatic
11:42.11depthsofchaosmake every unit unselectable :p
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11:44.13Paras1teHey, is it possible to create new roles for teams on sc2mpaster?
11:44.14Valconeyewell its not that a unit can be selected, its the selection box that is bothering me :(
11:44.19Skizotlol i'm using your map to test my new platform models.
11:49.54Skizotnew platforms = sexy
11:54.03Skizothttp://i42.tinypic.com/10f5ri1.jpg
11:54.05SkizotMojache
11:54.23Mojachehaha bitching
11:54.26Mojachewhat model is that
11:54.33Skizota custom edit
11:54.49Skizota stretched crate to be exact :D
11:55.08Skizotbut i wanted something for my map that didn't look like a floating DISK.
11:55.09Skizotlol
11:55.23Skizotalso.
11:55.33Skizothow can i make s make them drop a level?
11:56.08Mojachelike hold S and drop?
11:56.13Skizotyeah
11:56.16Skizots = down.
11:56.20Mojachei'd have to think about that
11:56.25Mojachethe easiest way would be
11:56.28Skizotso it would make sense for them to drop down.
11:56.29Mojacheif S changed the height
11:56.35Mojacheby like -.02
11:56.42Mojachebecause that would put them below the platform
11:56.45Mojacheand then they would fall
11:57.04Mojachei have
11:57.06Mojacheknock back
11:57.12Mojachelet me make it work both sides sec
11:58.37Utilizelol, that looks like a Mario style game but made on the starcraft engine
11:58.38Utilizelol
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12:02.29Mojacheoh man
12:02.35pierro_hello
12:04.14Mojachehttp://www.wittywizard.com/starcraft/smash002.SC2Map
12:04.22Mojachegive that a try Skizot
12:04.25pierro_So in my quest to create a unit that use "flying" orb as spell charge. I am now stuck on a problem. when i cast my spell, the marine go crazy and act kinda like the orb that should be launched
12:04.54pierro_it jumps to the traget and explode
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12:06.34ubdeadhello
12:07.22Skizotthis is gonna end HORRIBLY
12:08.23Skizotmy first miniboss will be at the dam.
12:08.28SkizotD:
12:08.41ubdeadwhat's map like skizot :D?
12:08.46ubdeadmini rpg?
12:09.03Skizotside scroller
12:09.18ubdeadmultiplayer?
12:09.56Valconeyeanyone know how to disable the left click drag behavior of the mouse? (selection box)
12:10.11Skizotone day
12:10.45Valconeyeim making a side scroller too :) but a view more like battle toads, or the old school ninja turtles
12:11.09ubdeaddid you just say Battle Toads?
12:11.33Valconeyeyes
12:12.00Valconeyespace fails me :(
12:12.18ubdeadBattle Toads?
12:12.26ValconeyeBattletoads!
12:12.30ubdeadBattle Toads?
12:12.50Skizotoh shit
12:12.54ubdeadeditor crashes, so he has some time
12:12.59Skizoti have to remove the pathing footprint of the minerals
12:13.38ubdeadWow, editing the Attack ability makes the GE really unstable
12:13.50ubdeadtoo many links i guess
12:15.28depthsofchaosanyone got an idea on how to make pylon power only show up when warping in?:o not when selecting the pylon
12:15.53ubdeadremove the actor event
12:16.01ubdeadif you don't know how to, ill look it up
12:16.01UtilizeI think you might be able to remove that requirement
12:16.02Dest1nyanyone knows how to not let my siege tank dmg own units?
12:16.19depthsofchaosthe pylon has no event for pylon power
12:16.22depthsofchaosits abehaviour
12:16.48ubdeadDestiny: go to the siege tank attack, and unflag in the targets filter: player and ally
12:17.13ubdeadbehavior also relies on actors depth
12:17.30SkizotMojache you want my platform model?
12:17.43Skizotyou just change the disk model in the DE to it.
12:17.44Mojachenah not atm, i'm still in building phase
12:17.54Mojachenot doing anything fancy just making all the design
12:18.00depthsofchaoswell i cant find such event in it :/ only create and destroy events
12:18.09Mojachegonna rig this up for two players
12:18.16ubdeadcreate and destroy are actions
12:18.27ubdeadthe red flags are events
12:18.57ubdeadcreate will create the actor, hence destroy will destroy it
12:19.14ubdeadaninBracketPlay will start an animation
12:19.24ubdeadanimBracketStop will stop one
12:19.25depthsofchaosi get it but i would need to find what raises the create event right?
12:19.32ubdeadthats right
12:19.37Skizotalso your second platform is just BARELY too low.
12:19.47Skizotyou can see between the hydra and the disk.
12:19.49depthsofchaosbut how do i dot that :o
12:19.53Skizotbut the knock back is nice.
12:19.57ubdeadtrial and error
12:20.22ubdeadbest way to start is think about "what actor shows the power circle"
12:21.01Skizottesting my DAM BATTLE now.
12:21.05Skizotno boss...
12:21.10Skizotbut there's a battle...
12:21.11Skizotlol
12:21.25Dest1nyubdead: i tried... splash dmg still does dmg to my own units
12:21.52ubdeadyou might be editing the regular attack, the sieged mode is a different attack
12:23.36Dest1nynope... editing the right one
12:23.45Dest1nythanks anyway... guess gonna figure myself
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12:25.06ubdeadill make you a pictire destiny
12:25.36Skizotwtf....
12:25.38ubdeadhttp://i44.tinypic.com/52c4lg.png
12:25.43Skizoti can't walk under my platforms.
12:26.36ubdeadskizot, change the unit plane arrays
12:26.40ubdeadto only air?
12:26.42Dest1nyye i did that
12:26.57Dest1nyits the splash dmg that kills my own units
12:27.11ubdeadill make a test map
12:28.10Dest1nyok thanks
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12:31.23pkoli probally should do some research before i ask this
12:31.37pkolbut if i wanted to reduce a unit's sight range
12:31.38pkolin game
12:31.42pkolie. day/night
12:31.45pkolany ideas?
12:32.36ubdeadunit -> sight bonus
12:33.31ubdeadhttp://www.2shared.com/file/zgJq-FN_/siegetank_no_splash.html
12:34.24ubdeaddestiny
12:34.24SkizotMojache how did you fix the camera not going up?
12:34.25Skizotalso found a bug i need to fix.
12:34.25Skizotunits UNDER the platform can attack
12:34.25ubdeadSet the Max Height Skizot
12:35.09Skizoti don't see max height... triggered?
12:35.21ubdeadit's in the camera object
12:36.04ubdeadCameras -> Default camera -> Distance maximum
12:36.13ubdeadin DE
12:36.24Durrean... great.. i didn't saved the map yesterday and shutted down my computer.. 2 hours work .......
12:36.36ubdeadDurrean turn on auto save, put it on 5 mins
12:36.54ubdeadsaved me a lot of time lol
12:36.56Skizotit's at 350.
12:36.57Durreanhmm the problem is, what if i do changes and don't want them?
12:37.01Skizotand won't go higher
12:37.33ubdeadturn on back-ups
12:38.03Durreandid it..
12:38.21ubdeadput maximum amount to 50 or so
12:38.29ubdeadmaps are 2mb anyway
12:41.12Skizothmmm
12:42.47Skizotnot working :(
12:43.18ubdeadi remember something about holding alt and double clicking the field
12:43.32ubdeadallowing you to overwrite limitation
12:44.13ubdeador you could manually change the XML
12:45.31RepoNew map: http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/pyroclasm/. Pyroclasm. sylten91 (Manager/Author). Approved by vjeux.
12:45.35RepoNew map: http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/ffs/. Fight for Supremacy. Azurech (Manager/Author). Experimental. Approved by vjeux.
12:47.48SkizotMojache knows :/
12:47.55Skizotbut his camera isn't changed.
12:47.58Skizotthat's the weird part
12:50.05ubdeadhe could have used the camera layer
12:50.17Skizot?
12:50.36ubdeadTerrain editor -> Layers -> Cameras
12:50.46ubdeador press "C" in the terrain editor
12:51.50Skizotyeah i have a custom camera
12:51.58Skizotbut it doesn't stay with my unit.
12:52.10Skizotwhen i go up... it doesn't.
12:53.21ubdeadTry a trigger
12:53.34ubdeadCamera " Follow Unit Group"
12:53.36pierro_Hey guys. I managed to get the correct orb launching animation. However i don't know how i can "kill" one of my orb flying around
12:53.58ubdeadthat would be a destroy action on the right event
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12:54.55ubdeadcreate a new Event on the orb actor, then for the event MSG put something like "Effect.YourOrbAttack (Damage)"
12:55.23ubdeadthen add a new action and make it a Destroy msg
12:55.59pierro_ok i'll try
12:56.09pierro_anyway it renders well
12:56.12pierro_in game
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12:57.14Mojacheyou change the camera height
12:57.20Mojacheto equal the height of your unit
12:58.51ubdeadmnn any idea's on making the "Burrow" autocast on idle work?
12:59.19ubdead(without triggers has preference)
13:00.41ubdeadi guess autocast is only triggered if a certain target enters range
13:01.14ubdeador i could put "self"
13:01.20ubdeadin the filter
13:02.14pierro*So in my unite creation process I created The caster (marine) The orb and A Missile Unit. My marine create the flying orb with the ArmMagzine ability set to external. When i cast a spell It calls the First effect : Set Orb launch wich call Effect Free magazine Free Orb and Effect Missile Orb missile. Missile Orb finally call Effect Suicide
13:03.26ubdeadis this from HexeD?
13:03.29pierrothe results is when i cast an orb fly to the target and desappear on impact
13:04.06pierroHexeD ?
13:04.58ubdeadyea HexeD is a map that shoots orbs
13:05.07pierroah i see
13:05.15pierroits kinda like the fire mage in WC3
13:05.31ubdeadbut what's the ArmMagazine for?
13:05.45pierroit creates orb
13:05.56pierroto cast spell
13:05.56pierrothat is used as requirement
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13:06.16ubdeadwell ok
13:06.26pierroi took the broodlord unit
13:06.31ubdeadand why don't just use Launch Missile?
13:06.45pierrobasically it is that
13:07.02pierrobut I need now to set the orb to be destroyed
13:07.20ubdeadMissiles are destroyed on impact
13:07.27pierroso that they disappear and are getting recreated
13:07.35pierrohmm
13:07.57ubdeadwell if it works, it works ;)
13:08.42pierroright now i have flying orb around my marine i can cast spell and their effects work. But i need to find a way to kill one of the flying orb
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13:09.41ubdeadas i said, add an event to the actor of the orb
13:10.27ubdeador are you trying to launch one of the orbs to the target?
13:10.44ubdeadlike the broodlord launches its units at the target
13:10.46pierroultimately yes
13:11.11pierrobut the effect i have now is not bad
13:11.11ubdeadand right now you are creating a new orb, and removing the old one
13:11.26pierronow the orb keep on flying around my marine
13:11.32pierroand a 4th is created
13:11.42pierrothis one is the missile
13:11.46ubdeadmnn well ganbatte :D
13:11.51pierro:)
13:12.03ubdeadguess i could look into it
13:12.10ubdeadbut i have to work on my own map first :(
13:12.13ubdeadtaking forever
13:12.29pierromaybe if i set Effect.MissileOrn.Start Destroy ?
13:12.41pierroin the flying orb actor
13:12.55pkolum
13:13.13pkolis it possible to make a unit constantly spawn another unit, through the data editor?
13:13.24pierroyes
13:13.27pierropkol
13:13.39pkolany examples i can look at?
13:13.41Skizotomg.
13:13.41pierropersistant effect
13:13.43pierroperiod
13:13.49pierroevery period effect spawn
13:13.55Skizotwhy all the lagg...
13:14.32pkolawesome
13:14.40pkolmaking a kinda sorta not really aos
13:14.49pkoland was thinking of doing creeps through data
13:14.58pkolas the bases are player built
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13:15.31UtilizeIs that guy that's working on the Final Fantasy map in here?
13:15.51ubdeadnope
13:16.10Utilizelol, damn
13:16.18UtilizeI just made some music for him since i was bored as shit.
13:17.45UtilizeI guess i will just post it on youtube or w.e and link it to his thread.
13:18.04ubdeadthats a nice thing to do Util ;)
13:18.14Utilizelol
13:18.20Utilizewell, i was checking out his FF stuff.
13:18.24UtilizeAnd i don't think he had music yet.
13:18.27Utilizeso w.e
13:23.58Triceronwhat kind of final fantasy map is he doin?
13:28.41Utilizejust an RPG FF map.
13:29.38Beidergot a link?
13:29.45BeiderI was thinking of making one actually, but didn't get started yet
13:31.50UtilizeYea, just search up final fantasy
13:31.53Utilizeand his thread iwll pop up.
13:32.58Skizotwtf man
13:33.43UtilizeMan, i am hating windows movie maker atm.
13:34.06UtilizeIt keeps on fucking around with my music bitrate for the video i am trying to make.
13:34.45ubdeadWindows Movie Maker (lol)
13:34.51Utilizehaha, i know right
13:35.04TriceronFinal Fantasy 13 open RPG?
13:35.05UtilizeAll my professional programs you can't make a video file with just an image.
13:35.05depthsofchaosits the internet, pirate something  like sony vegas
13:35.48ubdeadAdobe Premiere 5
13:35.56ubdeadworth "buying"
13:36.26Utilizelol, naa
13:36.30Utilizei did a cheat way.
13:36.49UtilizeI made the image movie file with Windows movie maker the same length as my audio file.
13:37.02UtilizeExported, then put that vid file into ciubase.
13:37.03UtilizeAnd i win
13:37.24UtilizeYea, i won... it sounds right  now.
13:38.55pkolhow ironic, autosave crashed the editor
13:39.09ubdeadlol
13:39.52pkolbut it still saved
13:39.54pkolwhatever
13:39.56pkollol
13:41.20Skizotwhy is sc2 running like ass all of a sudden :(
13:41.30ubdeadmemory leak
13:41.34ubdeadctrl+alt+esc
13:42.14ubdeadmy firefox was taking 4,5gb ram yesterday
13:42.42pkolcan you use all 16 players?
13:42.53pkolif you set them to user
13:42.55pkolwell
13:42.56depthsofchaosmine takes like 1gb no matter what :o
13:43.00pkolguess we don't know yet
13:43.04depthsofchaoshow do you fill them up
13:43.29Skizotnothing else is running....
13:43.30depthsofchaosmaybe there can be a trick to make spectators enter :o
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13:59.14Vail|Gonehello people
14:01.28pkolany tutorials on how to do progress bars with dialogs?
14:01.39pkolfilling and such?
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14:02.45NeoDeathXphey guys!
14:02.59NeoDeathXpguess what i figured out
14:03.08UtilizeHey
14:03.09UtilizeNeo
14:03.14Utilizeyou're the guy with the FF map right?
14:03.14NeoDeathXphow to get the players screen resolution
14:03.19NeoDeathXpyeah
14:03.23NeoDeathXpim doing FF
14:03.25UtilizeDo you have music for it yet?
14:03.30NeoDeathXpyeah
14:03.39Utilizek, cool
14:03.51NeoDeathXpi have to get gameshound yet
14:04.00UtilizeWhat's that?
14:04.17NeoDeathXplike when a char attacks the make a sound, or gets hit
14:04.37UtilizeAHhh, i see.
14:04.44UtilizeAre you just using the ingame SPFX?
14:06.04NeoDeathXpyeah
14:06.09*** join/#sc2mapster Grogian (~d8f6789d@gateway/web/freenode/x-hznyuornspiauqoi)
14:06.14NeoDeathXpi got the soundtrack
14:06.22GrogianHello
14:06.28UtilizeWhat sound track are you using?
14:06.36NeoDeathXpright now i am woring on the Crystarium
14:08.24NeoDeathXpi only have 3 so far, the load scrren music -  The Promise, The city music, Nautilus, and some battle music, Blinded by light witch i think im going to change
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14:09.11NeoDeathXpi have to wait before i go too crazy with music i have to find out the maximum upload size to bnet
14:09.28Utilizelol, you don't care about size?
14:09.35NeoDeathXpi was only 8 megs before in WC3
14:09.38NeoDeathXpit
14:09.47Utilizeahhh.
14:09.49NeoDeathXpand my map is already 25 megs
14:09.53Utilizewow
14:09.54Utilizelol
14:09.59NeoDeathXpso yeah
14:10.08ubdeadyou should turn on "optimize file for size"
14:10.13NeoDeathXpthe custom UI is eating a lot of space
14:10.13ubdeadit's in preferences
14:10.15UtilizeI am doing music for a beat-em-up game atm with like 11 diff levels and i am only at like 1.2Mb so far
14:10.28ubdead(makes saving a lot slower tough)
14:10.56Vailrethouch man  25 megs..
14:10.58UtilizeYou should really check into the midi options they offer.
14:11.05UtilizeYea, 25 megs is huge for that file.
14:11.26ubdeadare you using wavs for sound?
14:11.38Utilizelol, No, why would you use .wavs?
14:11.55ubdeadwell that would explain the giant filesiz
14:11.55NeoDeathXpim using Mp3
14:12.13ubdeadwhat bitrate?
14:12.13UtilizeYea, But i am implimenting mine a diff way then you rpobably are.
14:12.24NeoDeathXpbut i have like 50 something imported images
14:12.27Utilizelol, I am doing mine at 96
14:12.38NeoDeathXpfor my UI
14:12.57UtilizeMan, you should really look into implimenting midi into your file man.
14:13.23NeoDeathXpmidi?
14:13.27Utilizelol, yea.
14:13.40UtilizeIts basically a format that's all programed notes and changes.
14:13.42NeoDeathXpim doing the file save option thing now
14:13.46Utilizea whole midi song can be like 55Kb
14:14.00Utilizeand the G.E actually suports midi now.
14:14.04Vailrethmaybe you could have made a mod file with all of the assests in it and  had your map dependant on it..
14:14.31ubdeadmidi rocks
14:14.35UtilizeYea.
14:14.35ubdeadsounds so oldschool
14:14.39NeoDeathXpwell we will see that the maximum upload size it i head its going to be over 100 megs
14:14.46Utilizelol, That's only G.M1 tho.
14:14.47NeoDeathXphear*
14:14.57Utilizeman....
14:15.01UtilizeNo offense.
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14:15.07Utilizebut i would not download that file if it was over 50Mg
14:15.09TheLaughingManGod I hate those idiots
14:15.30NeoDeathXpwoot 18 megs with the slower saving
14:15.30ubdeadwho
14:15.31UtilizeI am one of those people that strongly beleive in small files.
14:16.04Vailrethwell i would download a huge mod and lots of small maps dependent on it
14:16.36TheLaughingManubdead, the idiots complaining about how the SC2 editor is to complex for them and that they want a WC3 editor for SC2
14:17.07ubdeadi agree, but i can understand their frustation
14:17.07NeoDeathXplol
14:17.31NeoDeathXpSC2 editor is not that complicated...
14:17.42ubdeadit seems complicated to some
14:17.49NeoDeathXpi even found out how to get screen resolution
14:17.55ubdeadbut they just don't use it enough
14:17.57TheLaughingManWell the only thing complicated about it is that some of the features aren't put in yet so you have to do some work arounds
14:18.00NeoDeathXppretty pumped about that
14:18.15ubdeadwhat are you going to do with the resolution?
14:18.16TheLaughingManLike modifying a unit's experience
14:18.20NeoDeathXplike making 6000 buttons?
14:18.22Vailrethit just seems complicated because everything is spread out  and some things connect weird
14:18.41TheLaughingManThe word experience
14:18.52TheLaughingManis linked to the Set Unit Property trigger
14:19.11ubdeadwell i think there are 3 things you have to master in the DE. Composite fields; events and actors.
14:19.46TheLaughingManI have found several other triggers with links to words that they can't modify/change, but the editor has it programmed to link those words
14:19.59Vailrethyou know i never fixed my emp = suicide Ghost ability in one map..
14:20.06TheLaughingManSuggesting that it will be added later on or at release
14:21.04ubdeadi just made an escape pod lol
14:21.15Utilizelol
14:21.21ubdeadnuke animation for going up, and calldown mule for going down lol
14:21.26ubdeadlooks totaly awesome
14:21.32Utilizehaha.
14:21.40TheLaughingManubdead there is a model for an escape pod launching
14:21.44UtilizeI love sitting in ehre and reading what people say, since i have no idea wtf they are saying.
14:21.53UtilizeI am jsut a sound designer for modding teams.
14:21.53Utilizelol
14:21.56ubdeadoh cool, ill look into it
14:22.03TheLaughingManI already beat you to it
14:22.08TheLaughingManand it launched marines
14:22.22ubdeadQ_Q
14:22.33TheLaughingManand you can load marines into the unit/building to be launched
14:23.10TheLaughingManThe only thing I want changed is the unit loading method
14:23.16ubdeadstole that from supcom2 lol
14:23.26TheLaughingManyep
14:23.39TheLaughingManbut I can load 100 marines to be launched
14:23.57TheLaughingManit lags my computer to hell launching all of them
14:23.58Vailrethi have missle turrets that go from  air to gorund attacks..
14:24.55ubdeadin this channel: people bragging
14:25.07devileskwhere
14:25.17ubdead;D
14:25.27devileski just see people talking about what they're doing
14:25.28Grogian:P
14:25.39TheLaughingManI also turned a thor into a mobile resource drop off
14:25.57devileskapparently a unit can only have 32 abilities
14:25.59devilesk:(
14:26.33ubdeadLaughing man, do you mean PodMissile?
14:26.48Vailreththat is good to know but why would you need to give that many abilites to a single unit?
14:26.53TheLaughingManNo
14:27.02TheLaughingManDrop Pod Raising
14:28.54TheLaughingManI should make a video showing off mass 100 marine call down and play the "It's Raining Men"
14:28.58ubdeadoh thanks man, that looks awesome
14:29.03devileskmake them dance
14:30.56TheLaughingManhaving 100 marines dance looks funny
14:32.29ubdeadi was trying how many units my computer could handle
14:32.47ubdead3000 marines moving in random directions -> no lag
14:32.57ubdeadSC2 engine is amezing
14:33.41devileskis your comp good
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14:34.14ubdeadwell, it's pretty good yea
14:35.43ubdeadintel i7 920 , 9gb ddr3 triple channel, 2x ati 4890SE
14:35.53ubdead(in crossfire)
14:36.04GrogianHeh
14:36.14GrogianI have a Intel Core 2 Duo
14:36.17Grogianand 4 GB DDR 2
14:36.19Grogianana 5750
14:36.19Arthas-damn you beat me on memory
14:36.21Arthas-fucker
14:36.22Grogianand a *
14:36.26NeoDeathXpDual core centrino laptop!
14:36.31NeoDeathXpwoot!
14:36.34Arthas-i have a laptop like that too
14:36.36Arthas-+ desktop
14:36.37Arthas-:D
14:36.47Arthas-+ a bunch of other comps thats doing other stuff!
14:36.55ubdead^_^
14:36.58Arthas-my electricity bill is just awesome, its so awesome so im going to send it to NeoDeathXp
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14:37.07ubdeadwell i need it for work
14:37.11NeoDeathXpi own 87 server
14:37.15NeoDeathXps
14:37.18Arthas-meh
14:37.19NeoDeathXpso
14:37.20NeoDeathXpyeah
14:37.21ubdeadholy shit lol
14:37.21Arthas-i only have 4
14:37.24Arthas-:z
14:37.34ubdeadcan you lend me one lol
14:37.34Arthas-you work with em?
14:38.13NeoDeathXpi am a consultant, i manage data for CH-53K project for Sikorsy aircraft
14:38.33ubdeadsweet ^_^
14:40.08Arthas-im going to take some time to talk w you later on in priv when I have some time regarding work w stuff like that if you dont mind
14:40.19Arthas-general administration work that is
14:40.35NeoDeathXpok
14:40.46Arthas-reading a course on it, but I feel the course is kind off
14:40.49Arthas-well, lacking
14:41.02Durreanwoohoo! i can't survive my own survival..
14:41.07ubdeadlol
14:41.15Arthas-Durrean thats because you are doing it wrong
14:41.22Durreanyou want to try it?
14:41.34Arthas-if player name == Durrean.durrean { create overpowered hero )
14:41.39Arthas-sure, ill try it later on :)
14:47.09Durreanbut let it me make playable ^^
14:51.00Durrean... units becomes idle -> kill unit... there are my SCVs going..
14:52.50ubdeadthat trigger is going to murder your map
14:53.52Zaratuliusanyone know how to make a hotkey to open inventory?
14:54.08ubdeadit's only possible using the NUMPAD buttons
14:54.09nicoli_sZaratulius: talk to arthas, hes the guy to talk to bout inventory
14:54.47ubdeadNUMPAD0 -> open inventory 1; NUMPAD1 -> open inventory 2
14:54.48ubdeadetc.
14:55.09Zaratuliusyea but how to do it...
14:55.25Zaratuliusin editor what triggeer or what option in data editor
14:55.29ubdeadnone
14:55.33ubdeadit's default
14:56.37Zaratuliusok
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14:56.43NoRoohello everyone o/
14:56.49ubdeadhi
14:57.09Zaratuliusthx for info
14:57.15ubdeadyour welcome
14:57.32Zaratuliuseditor is still lacking of a lot of options
14:57.42ubdeadwell it's beta after all
14:57.44Arthas-Zaratulius
14:57.54Arthas-its not possible if you intend the map to be playable online
14:58.27Arthas-then you are stuck with numpad keys since blizzard locked the UI hotkeys down and removed hotkey-field from the inventory infoarray
14:58.36Zaratuliusso i will have to live with this :P but it is annoying that chat button shows over inventory button...
14:58.46Arthas-well
14:58.51Arthas-that is a ui problem
14:58.52ubdeadyep, but i have the feeling they'll fix it
14:58.56Arthas-yeah
14:59.11Zaratuliusand of course i can't set where inventory button will be
14:59.14Arthas-if you are on us
14:59.15Arthas-http://forums.battle.net/thread.html?topicId=24702231426&postId=246997788902&sid=5000#0
14:59.18Arthas-feel free to bump that
14:59.19ubdeadjust put up a huge text message "PRESS NUMPAD0 TO OPEN YOUR INVENTORY"
14:59.25Arthas-ppl dont seem to care / bother to read :p
15:00.19ubdeadmake it the entire screen black
15:00.24ubdeadand lock it for 20 minutes
15:00.35ubdeadlol
15:00.38Zaratuliusheh
15:00.50Arthas-but there is a workaround if you mess w patches
15:00.51Arthas-:p
15:01.02Arthas-or use directory methodin patch directory
15:01.05Arthas-either one
15:01.12Zaratuliusi bet this will make them press alt+ f4 than numpad0 :D
15:01.29ubdeadchances are big yes
15:01.29Arthas-now bump my thread!
15:01.41Arthas-seriously, this limitation sucks, not being able to have inventory on i
15:01.44Arthas-:(
15:02.00Zaratuliusyea i agree
15:02.01ubdeadthey'll fix it :)
15:02.06Arthas-ubdead are you sure
15:02.19Arthas-you are aware of the fact that prior to patch 8 it was possible right? =p
15:02.33ubdeadwe'll i'm not a Blue
15:02.40Arthas-with the <Hotkey value=""> in the infoarray for inventory
15:02.48Arthas-but noooo, lets remove that
15:02.49ubdeadbut Blizz listenens to their fanbse:)
15:02.57Arthas-not if you dont bump! go bump!
15:03.36Zaratuliusthey had a reason to remove it or made it by accident ant i think it bill be back in some time
15:03.58Arthas-the reason was probably the new keysets
15:04.15Zaratuliusso we just need to wait :)
15:04.16Arthas-and i havent seen any thread but mine noting about it :p
15:04.25Arthas-you have way too much faith in blizzard my friend
15:04.26Arthas-way too much
15:04.30ubdeadyea or they didnt have the time to fix it in time, so they removed it for a sec
15:04.36Zaratuliusand i have some other problem
15:04.40Zaratuliusthis time with shop
15:04.50RepoNew map: http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/angel-arena-galaxy/. Angel Arena: Galaxy. Smoothsmith (Manager/Author). Experimental. Approved by grum.
15:04.57Zaratuliussometime items spawn in inventory and sometimes on ground...
15:05.01Arthas-havent had time to look at shops yet
15:05.03Arthas-i just know pawn
15:05.20Arthas-do the shops have some kind of range?
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15:05.28Zaratuliusyes u can set it
15:05.30ubdeadit always spawns at the ground for me
15:05.49ubdeadare you using train?
15:05.54ubdeador something else?
15:06.00Zaratuliusfor me it's stops working in random moments
15:06.03Zaratuliusest train
15:06.06Zaratulius*yes
15:06.41Zaratuliusand i added pages to shop :D
15:07.13ubdeadZaratulius, you might want to check the range
15:07.18ubdeadmight have to put it like 500
15:07.31Zaratuliusi will check it in a moment
15:07.36ubdeadbut how would you make it spawn in the inventory?
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15:08.25ubdeadLocation in the Train Command?
15:09.24Arthas-uhm
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15:09.32Arthas-the inventory shops have been fully cracked i take it?
15:09.47ubdeaddefine "cracked"
15:09.49Zaratuliusi made a share behavior for shop made it neutral and just added train ability
15:09.51Arthas-ie
15:10.01Arthas-ppl now how to make shops
15:10.04ubdeadyes :)
15:10.08Arthas-and how to always make them go to inventory
15:10.15ubdeadCheck out Bifuu's full hero tutorial
15:10.24ubdead(they don't go into inventory for me)
15:10.26Arthas-oh, ill rather fiddle by myself :p
15:10.35Arthas-i just wanted to make sure
15:10.37Arthas-and revive?
15:10.39ubdeadmaybe they don't go into equip slots automaticly?
15:10.41Zaratuliusyea i made it using bufuu's tutorial but it don't spawn item in my inventory allways
15:10.46ubdeadno revive is very buggy
15:10.49Arthas-ubdead doubt it
15:10.57Arthas-items picked up goes to equip slots
15:11.05ubdeadthat's true
15:11.39ubdeadi just found out Requirement -> Count Unit at Unit works for items
15:11.48Arthas-hmm
15:11.49ubdeadthat makes things easy
15:11.51Arthas-i wonder if my bug was fixed
15:11.58Arthas-anyone here who fiddled lots with inventory yet?
15:12.04Arthas-or rather, item effects
15:12.11ubdeadask away
15:12.16ubdeadi'll do my best
15:12.18Arthas-im linking you
15:12.43Arthas-http://forums.sc2mapster.com/general/editor-bugs-and-feedback/315-blizzard-bugs-report-them/?post=3
15:12.45Arthas-those
15:13.00Arthas-i havent even checked if you can stack items now
15:13.30depthsofchaoswhen i try to burrow my ultralisk it says you need aditional pylons, maybe i did something wrong xD
15:13.37Arthas-no
15:13.40ubdeadoh sorry I don't know about that
15:13.41Arthas-its right
15:13.48Arthas-you always need additional pylons!
15:13.53ubdeadlol win
15:13.57depthsofchaostrue but its hard to get as zerg :P
15:14.03Arthas-well
15:14.07ubdeadinfestor
15:14.10Arthas-yeah
15:14.10Arthas-:D
15:14.13ubdeadlol
15:14.17depthsofchaosbug solved :p
15:14.24ubdead^_^
15:14.25Arthas-well did anyone try having two items with cloak
15:14.26Arthas-<CarryBehaviorArray value="PermanentlyCloaked"/>
15:14.36Arthas-and then have both equipped, then drop one
15:14.43ubdeaddouble cloak wouldn't matter right?
15:14.50Arthas-pre-editor released that would disable the effect, even if you still carried an item
15:14.51ubdeadoh does it lose the ability?
15:14.57Arthas-well, its true for all behaviors
15:14.59Arthas-not just cloak
15:15.05ubdeadthat's odd
15:15.10ubdeadmight try that later
15:15.12Arthas-and i doubt well see advanced maps without items that have same behaviors
15:15.14Arthas-ya
15:15.27Arthas-also protip, when making inventories
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15:16.02Arthas-use sc2components and edit the itemcontainer.xml by hand, so much faster than the gui (especially for stash etc)
15:16.12Arthas-save as sc2components*
15:16.12depthsofchaosis there a way to only enable burrow for 1 unit type?:o
15:16.18depthsofchaosor do i need to copy everything
15:16.28ubdeadoh yes Arthas, i use manual XML copying so much
15:16.34Arthas-:D
15:16.35ubdeadmuch faster for lots of things
15:16.38Arthas-yeah
15:16.56Arthas-are there any good actor tutorial around btw?
15:17.25Arthas-if not, that is needed imo :p
15:17.25ubdeadactors are about 500mb worth of tuts lol
15:17.32Arthas-well
15:17.33ubdeadwhat specificly?
15:17.34Arthas-i said good one ;p
15:17.40Arthas-a good coverage of it
15:17.49Arthas-especially the events fields
15:17.58ubdeadI see
15:18.04ubdeadi might do one
15:18.15Arthas-would be much appreciated
15:18.18ubdeadit's not as hard as it looks tbh
15:18.20Arthas-in exchange i give you boobs
15:18.26ubdeadmanboobs?
15:18.29Arthas-no
15:18.29Grumpics
15:18.32Arthas-awesome pics
15:18.43ubdeadmy gf won't like that i'm sorry lol
15:18.50Arthas-well
15:18.53ubdeadso don't bother
15:18.55Arthas-god damn it
15:19.04ubdeadi take Visa
15:19.08ubdeadjust kidding
15:19.10Arthas-:D
15:19.12ubdeadMastercard
15:19.17ubdeadxD j/k
15:19.18Arthas-i only have visa
15:19.23Arthas-so no deal!
15:19.24Arthas-hmm
15:19.26Arthas-I give you Hati|NotHere
15:19.33Arthas-he's all yours to do whatever you want with
15:19.40Arthas-goldfarming
15:19.44Arthas-boring data edit on maps
15:19.49Arthas-cleaning your living area
15:19.54MojacheSkizot you around?
15:20.06ubdeadproblem being, i really suck at tutorials
15:20.18ubdeadmy english is really crappy, so a video is out of the question
15:20.55Arthas-im not that good w tutors either
15:21.00Arthas-but i keep on trying! :D
15:21.04ubdeadwe have to ask Bifuu
15:21.09ubdeadhe's the tuts master
15:22.23Arthas-
15:22.23Arthas-Galaxy Vim Syntax Highlighting
15:22.25Arthas-that one wins!
15:23.42ubdeadi love how powerful requirements and validators are :D
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15:24.45ubdeadi think i can make items activate trough ability buttons
15:24.53ubdeadthat would be good i guess
15:25.09Vailrethnice  i wish i understood validators and requirements better
15:25.28Vailrethyou should do a tutorial>..>
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15:25.54ubdeadi have so many tutorials to write :(
15:26.54Vailreththink of the others as practice for this one :D
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15:27.19pierro__im going crazy with my ability
15:27.25ubdeadproblem is, all i do is write tuts, i never get to work on my own maps lol
15:27.45ubdeadi think i'll write them during class lol
15:27.48Vailrethheh that can be a problem
15:27.54ubdeadthat would save me some time lol
15:28.29Vailrethi need a tutorial for writing tutorials  then i would write some because i have much free time
15:29.43Vailreth" how much free time?" i am glad you asked ...
15:29.56Vailrethfrom 8 am to 12 am every day ...
15:31.12Grumomg talk to yourself!
15:31.47Vailrethi do its the most intelegent conversation i get out side of  here
15:33.10MojacheI dont get it
15:33.17MojacheI set the flag to not flee when taking damage
15:33.20Mojacheyet the units still do it
15:33.21depthsofchaosnoob question: how do i make a unit visible for everibody ?
15:33.28depthsofchaosallies and hostile
15:34.59Mojacheah there we go
15:35.05MojacheGrum you busy?
15:35.26Grumnot really
15:35.46Mojachecan you help me test a map over bnet?
15:35.54Grumbutbutbut
15:36.17Grumi could
15:38.39GrumMojache: what to test?
15:38.50Mojacheuploading it now
15:38.55Mojacheyou know how to do the map swap stuff?
15:39.41Mojachehttp://wittywizard.com/starcraft/smash004.SC2Map
15:39.48Durreanhmm i copied the medivac heal ability, its working but the beam is gone. where can i readd it?
15:40.03UtilizeProbably under animations
15:40.05vjeuxhttp://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/sc2dancedancerevolution-pre-alph/
15:40.07vjeuxwait for it!
15:40.31Durreananimations, in the ability?
15:40.35ubdeadrofl dance dance revolution
15:40.45UtilizeWell, he said the beam was gone
15:40.47Utilizebut the ability works
15:40.53depthsofchaosnoob question: how do i make a unit visible for everibody ? anyone ?:o
15:40.54ubdeadDurrean you would need to add the events to the beam actor
15:41.13Mojacheyou can't make a spefic unit visible thats not how visibilty works
15:41.17GrumMojache: just downloaded the exethingie
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15:41.21ubdeaddepthofchaos create a behavior with the flag "share vision"
15:41.22Mojacheafik
15:41.34Utilizehaha
15:41.34ubdeadand apply the behavior to the unit
15:41.37depthsofchaosthanks
15:41.39Utilizeubdead, i was almost right
15:41.52Mojachewhere is it grum?
15:41.58ubdead;)
15:42.05Mojachelike I know HOW to do it
15:42.08Mojacheas long as you can copy
15:42.13Mojachei dont knwo how that program works
15:42.21GrumMojache? :)
15:42.23UtilizeWOW, am i ever getting tired.
15:42.42vjeuxnice, Mojache it starts to look like super smash bros :p
15:42.43Mojachewhats your Bnet name grum?
15:42.49Grumgrum.mmmm
15:42.58ubdeadlol mmmmmmmmmm
15:42.59vjeuxlol at the nick :p
15:42.59Mojachemojache.themage
15:43.07UtilizeHey ubdead, you want some free psy-trance lead loops i just wrote but realized i can't use them for what i was making them for?
15:43.18depthsofchaoshmm theres only "hidden" flag availabe
15:43.49Utilize5 layers of loops to make  a track ub
15:43.49Mojachetelling me unable to find friends
15:43.50ubdeadthose are the Buff flags depth
15:43.50Mojacheis euro/us on different servers?
15:43.50GrumMojache: kek you know i am enGB right? :P
15:43.51ubdeadtry the other Flags field
15:43.57MojacheI assumed they were all the same
15:44.22NeoDeathXpOMG
15:44.34NeoDeathXpwin
15:44.41Mojachebah ill just test it with ziros later tonight
15:44.48Grumeu/us are not the same no :(
15:44.50Grumor kr
15:44.56NeoDeathXpi perfected capturing players screen resolution
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15:45.19Hati:O portal1 for free
15:45.29ubdeadon steam?
15:45.35NeoDeathXpyeah
15:45.40ubdeadforever?
15:45.50Hatiif you "get" it until 24th
15:45.51Hatiyea
15:45.55Hatiyou can keep it forever
15:46.02ubdeadsweet lol
15:46.07Hatiafter that date it should cost smth
15:46.10ubdeadbut ill just pirate it anyway
15:46.13ubdeadso cba
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15:49.11ubdeadi wonder if iterateTransport will return items too
15:52.00Pinworm45Anyone know how you'd go about showing the timer frame when you have the UI Disabled? There's no obvious choice I see in the show UI trigger, and the timer - show (last created timer) trigger doesn't work :/
15:52.24ubdeaddon't disable UI, just hide everything else
15:53.53Pinworm45I guess that'd work
15:54.16ubdeadyea and the main menu will still work :)
15:54.24ubdeadso user can quit the mission if they want
15:54.32Pinworm45For that I just hide all the ui then show the menu bar
15:54.35ubdeadhide UI is evil
15:54.41Pinworm45I was hoping I could do the same with the timer
15:57.20DurreanOo ty ubdead got the beam working, but how Oo
15:57.32ubdeadgood to hear :D!
15:57.39Durreanthats kinda shitty ^^
15:58.57Vailrethwow i just noticed the missle turret has a guy inside of it...
15:59.47ubdeadreally :D?
16:00.01depthsofchaoshmm theres a predefined behaviour called permanently share vision but it doesnt work :o
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16:00.18Vailrethyep...
16:00.53Vailreththe actuall turret of the missle turret was moddled with an operator
16:03.41Ackiscan any of you guys see this: http://n4g.com/news/522294/curse-announces-starcraft-2-map-hosting-platform/pen
16:03.59Grumno
16:04.14Vailrethnope.
16:04.30Ackisk guess it needs approval first
16:05.39Pinworm45That's weird.. I now have every Hide UI on but the bottom control bar is there. :|
16:05.55ubdeadill make you a example map depthofchaos
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16:06.54depthsofchaosthat would be great thanks :o
16:07.30RevesPointer issue if the Hide does not work @ Pinworm45
16:07.33Zaratuliusdoes anyone want to play my map with me?
16:08.12ubdeadhttp://www.2shared.com/file/oEtZYlG8/reveal_unit.html
16:08.17ubdeadit's a bit of a work-around
16:08.20ubdeadbut it works well
16:09.01depthsofchaosthx
16:09.49NeoDeathXpaanyone know how to make a scroll bar for a Dialog box?
16:10.04NeoDeathXpMy Crystarium is huge
16:10.15NeoDeathXpand it needs to scroll
16:13.47Zaratuliusdoes anyone want to test play my map with me? http://www.speedyshare.com/files/22416602/Warrior_v0_1.SC2Map
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16:14.56Truhanhello my lovelies
16:15.30ZaratuliusTruhnan: do u want to be my slave and play my map with me?
16:15.56TruhanI gotta go job hunting soon and help my gf with a term paper :<
16:15.57depthsofchaosi test it if you test mine :p
16:16.11Zaratuliusheh ok :D
16:16.30Zaratuliusjust dl it depth and give me your bnet name and identifier :)
16:16.43depthsofchaosare you eu ?:o
16:17.05Zaratuliusi have my map localizated :)
16:17.14ubdeadbrbr
16:17.34depthsofchaosyeah but im in the eu region and cant play with american
16:18.07Zaratuliusim in euro to
16:18.12depthsofchaosoh k then
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16:21.28NeoDeathXpaanyone know how to make a scroll bar for a Dialog box?
16:21.59BifuuNope but if you find out lemme know xD
16:22.11Mojachethere is this effect
16:22.16Mojachethat causes units to tint blue
16:22.23Mojachethe further away from the camera they are
16:22.32Mojacheanyone know whats thats called or how you adjust it?
16:23.19depthsofchaosfog?:PP
16:24.01NeoDeathXpdamn this scroll bar is driving me nuts
16:24.42NeoDeathXpi was able to capture how big the users screen is (His resolution) but now i need to make a scroll bar if its too small
16:24.47BifuuMojache: Its the Eiffel 65 Syndrome
16:25.16Mojachelike its really annoying
16:25.30Mojacheits tinting the entire game blue because of the distance of my camera
16:25.41BifuuO.o
16:26.23Truhanmojache, my love
16:26.54Truhanyou deserve like 40 internets worth of pizzas for UR
16:28.02pierro__hey guys could you help me to do a trigger that when my marine cast a spell one of the orb (Created using Armmagazine ability) is killed
16:44.32Arthas-Azu-away
16:44.39Arthas-my spice & wolf collection is almost complete now!
16:44.50Arthas-the manga, ova and series in mkv \o
16:44.53Arthas-Ingela
16:44.54Arthas-play?
16:45.00Ingelayes!
16:45.11Ingelalet's a gooo!
16:45.25Arthas-hmm
16:45.28Arthas-can you give me 10 min
16:45.30Arthas-:D
16:45.37Ingelayou little stupido!
16:45.45Arthas-have to caatch ya before you go ingame! :p
16:45.46hyariongives Arthas- 10 min
16:45.49Arthas-ty!
16:51.39ubdeadoh hello
16:51.48ubdeadburrito's take so long to cook
16:51.51ubdeadarghhh
16:51.54ubdeadhungryyyyyyyyyyy
16:52.19IngelaArthas-, you're fuckin slow
16:52.32Durreansomeone up for a EU test?
16:53.26ubdeadhas anybody iterate transport succesfuly
16:53.41ubdeadlet me refrase that to english
16:54.02ubdeadHas anybody used the "Iterate transport" effect succesfully
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16:55.18RepoNew announcement: http://www.sc2mapster.com/announcements/ac130k-gunner-kheldrun-hero/
16:55.33vjeuxNew announcement: http://www.sc2mapster.com/announcements/ac130k-gunner-kheldrun-hero-mapster-3d/
16:55.44ubdeadlol 404
16:56.28Durreanno one up for a test? eu? (insert sad face here)
16:56.48vjeuxuse the link i posted ubdead
16:56.54vjeuxor just go to sc2mapster.com :p
16:56.54ubdeadholy shit that ac130 looks AWESOME
16:57.51Arthas-Ingela
16:57.52Arthas-back
16:58.14Ingelathat only took forever
16:58.16Ingelalogin
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17:00.41vjeuxthere will be a new contest tomorrow btw
17:01.03GardenOfAiuyryay for contests!
17:01.36BifuuWho ever gives Bifuu the best Massage Contest right?
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17:02.25XGDragonanyone know how to get camstudio working without it giving me a black screen when showing sc2?
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17:03.17vjeuxplease help XGDragon, I need him to show his awesome map! :p
17:03.50XGDragoncan't you do it instead? :P
17:03.51ubdead|eatingtry fraps ?
17:03.51GrogianNever used camstudio
17:04.00XGDragonwell, anything thats free and works is fine.
17:04.23vjeuxhttp://static.sc2mapster.com/content/attachments/2/628/Fraps.rar
17:04.30vjeuxi've attached a cracked version of fraps btw
17:05.10ubdead|eatingsssshh the fbi is in channel
17:05.18vjeux:)
17:05.56XGDragonhttp://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/unit-tester/ shameless map advertising; because i can
17:06.36Alpha_vstthats lkike for testing units... :D
17:07.06XGDragonno, it's about an intergalactic space raider whos bound to save the princess! :P
17:07.47definatlynotFBIzelda or peach
17:08.03Durreananyone up for a test? eu?
17:08.03XGDragona freaky abomination: half zelda, half peach
17:08.42XGDragontest what, and why?
17:08.58NeoDeathXpscreen resolution is going to bone me
17:09.04NeoDeathXpthis sucks
17:09.09NeoDeathXpits a huge problem
17:09.10Durreankind of survival map and to see if its playable with more than one player (and the trigger workds)
17:09.21NeoDeathXpanyone else doing UI?
17:09.30pierro__how can i kill a unit created in Hangar with trigger ?
17:09.39*** join/#sc2mapster davidcramer (~dcramer@75-101-56-240.dsl.static.sonic.net)
17:09.59XGDragonpierro, best way:
17:10.14XGDragonwait for it..
17:10.58XGDragon<PROTECTED>
17:11.03XGDragonActions:
17:11.07XGDragon<PROTECTED>
17:11.16XGDragonif :                                         (Cargo unit in (Picked unit) at slot 1) == No Unit
17:11.24XGDragonthen : <nothing>
17:11.25definatlynotFBIany good idea's using DE effects?
17:11.32XGDragonelse:                                         Unit - Kill (Cargo unit in (Picked unit) at slot 1)
17:11.58XGDragonif you don't do a if else then, youll get errors
17:12.03pierro__ok
17:12.24XGDragonremember to pick units first lol
17:12.26pierro__and i can set an event that when a unit cast a spell the unit in cargo is destroyed ?
17:12.31pierro__ok :)
17:12.32XGDragon<PROTECTED>
17:12.44XGDragoni'm just copy pasting what i did.
17:12.55Alpha_vstlol
17:13.07ubdeadso does anybody know how to use IterateTransport effect?
17:13.07pierro__General - Repeat (Actions) 4 times is it usefull ?
17:13.10XGDragon<PROTECTED>
17:13.20XGDragonand then, instead of nuke, do whatever.
17:13.27nicoli_snew patch incoming
17:13.27XGDragonas well as the effect3, whatever works
17:13.48XGDragonyeah, you can make it 10 times, if its for a command center (has 10 slots)
17:14.13Bifuuorly nic
17:14.16XGDragoninstead of doing Unit - Kill (Cargo unit in (Picked unit) at slot 1) (and 2 and 3 and 4)
17:14.22GrogianNew patch?
17:14.23Grogian:O
17:14.29XGDragonbecause if there is nothing at 4, itll error message
17:15.02ubdeadGrogian, it seems bnet is down
17:15.03pierro__ok
17:15.05pierro__hmm
17:15.10pierro__how do you set it
17:15.15pierro__when cargo is external
17:15.15Grogiancool beans
17:15.21Grogianthink we'll get publishing?
17:15.21Grogian;D
17:15.24Alpha_vstfuck
17:15.30Alpha_vstim not ready :P
17:15.37XGDragonThere will be at least couple weeks or maybe more where the beta is down before launch.
17:15.44Alpha_vstno publishing :P
17:15.46XGDragoncargo is external? whut?
17:15.55XGDragoncargo is known for being internal :P
17:15.58pierro__broodlord for instance has a cargo external
17:16.03XGDragonthats not cargo
17:16.04XGDragonthats ammo
17:16.05pierro__cargo outside
17:16.14pierro__in fact no
17:16.18XGDragonactually, the little broodlings are units
17:16.22XGDragonBroodling (Escort)
17:16.24pierro__the broodling become ammo
17:16.31pierro__when he fires
17:16.42pierro__there is weapon - broodlord weapon
17:16.51pierro__for the ammo used in missle effect
17:17.01XGDragonwhat do you want done?
17:17.03pierro__this is the ammo no ?
17:17.21pierro__i want to do that when my marine cast a spell
17:17.40pierro__an orb is killed (orb are being created with hangar ability)
17:18.55XGDragonwhat orb?
17:19.02pierro__a unit i created
17:19.15pierro__it is following the marine
17:19.23pierro__the marine uses it as charge
17:19.28pierro__(in my mind)
17:19.36Alpha_vst:P
17:19.54pierro__i am at the point where i just need to kill an orb because they don(t go away
17:19.56Grogianlike Bloodmage's orbs?
17:19.59pierro__yup
17:20.02XGDragonoohh.
17:20.03XGDragonlol
17:20.06Max_Damageunrelated question: anyone know why bnet is down?
17:20.13XGDragonmaintenance / patch
17:20.15pierro__it renders well in game
17:20.19pierro__quite well
17:20.33pierro__but I need the lovely orbs to be destroyed.
17:20.34Max_Damageas in, do you know if it's posted somewhere? i can't seem to find it if it is
17:20.56XGDragonnope
17:20.56NeoDeathXpa patch!
17:21.02XGDragonuhm, orbs
17:21.03Max_Damagekk
17:21.05XGDragonwhat hangar ability?
17:21.08XGDragonbroodlord?
17:21.09XGDragoncarrier?
17:21.37pierro__both
17:21.41pierro__even nuke
17:21.46pierro__use one hangar ability
17:22.03pierro__but i use the broodlord one
17:22.09GrogianI hate creating actors for units
17:22.24XGDragonyou mean with events + ?
17:22.44Grogianno just in general
17:22.49Grogianbecause it takes forever
17:22.54Grogiancreating new actors
17:22.56XGDragonanyways pierro, i think those orbs are units
17:22.56Grogianand fixing all the
17:23.00Grogianmodels that decide to change
17:23.06Grogianto something that doesn't exist
17:23.11pierro__yes they are
17:23.21XGDragonso you need to use unit functions to remove thenm
17:23.33pierro__ok
17:23.42XGDragonwhat id do
17:23.45XGDragonis make a trigger
17:23.52XGDragonwith event, when a unit is created
17:24.02XGDragonthen if the unit is the orb
17:24.06XGDragonadd it to a unit group variable
17:24.11XGDragonthen when a marine casts a spell
17:24.21XGDragonremove a random unit from unit group
17:24.29BifuuThey are doing another ladder wipe? O.o
17:24.35XGDragonugh
17:24.39XGDragonand i just got my zergling portriat
17:24.43XGDragoni mean overlord
17:24.44XGDragonlol
17:24.46Bifuuill lol if thats today
17:24.52Bifuuwhen they announced the wipe yesterday
17:25.09XGDragonif its a patch
17:25.16Alpha_vstit is a patch
17:25.18XGDragoni'm sooo going to ^_^
17:25.21XGDragonbecause they promised ultralisk changes!
17:25.28Alpha_vstdownloading right now
17:25.36Alpha_vstactully installing
17:26.05Alpha_vstmy editor disapeared wtf
17:26.29XGDragonuhm
17:26.33XGDragonits saying its just a service update
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17:27.20Bifuuoh there is a patch
17:27.21Bifuulawl
17:27.26Alpha_vsti just installed it
17:27.36Bifuui didnt thinka bout downloading it
17:27.41Alpha_vstno publish for map editor
17:27.42Bifuulalala
17:28.03Bifuuinstalling now, atleast its a small patch
17:28.04Grogianaww
17:28.15Alpha_vstvery small
17:28.29Xanwhat changes
17:28.43Bifuuno notes yet
17:29.21Alpha_vstduh
17:29.25ubdeadany idea's on how to destroy an item using effects?
17:29.31Alpha_vstthey always take for ever to update notes
17:29.40Alpha_vsteveryone should know this
17:30.09Vailrethdid they atleast fix the hero stuff do ya think?
17:30.22ubdeaddont think so
17:30.33ubdeadmap editor is a love child
17:30.46ubdeadthey don't care about it as much as its big brother ;0
17:31.18Alpha_vstwhat hero stuff?
17:31.23Vailrethyeah... they should though its where they get their replayability seriously ...
17:31.44Vailreththe game not storing hero levels
17:32.13Vailrethand startingt level 0 = 2
17:32.14ubdeadblizzard has put a lot of effort in map publishing and such, so it will keep getting better
17:32.29ubdeadthey just need a little more time
17:32.33ubdeadcan't complain really
17:32.53vjeuxcan someone make a post on the general forum to tell hidden changes
17:33.02Alpha_vsti dont have those issues vailreth 0.o
17:33.21Vailrethhmm are you using triggers to store hero level?
17:34.49BifuuStill broken for revive
17:35.06Vailrethdarn
17:35.33Vailrethits either broken or we are all missing something...
17:36.04Alpha_vstme nope im not into saving my units yet :P
17:36.06Asasupposedly void rays lose charges while switching targets
17:36.26Alpha_vstand i never will
17:36.37Alpha_vstthey do if they auto target
17:40.37Alpha_vstpoke
17:40.49Alpha_vsti need to sexy up my camera
17:40.55Alpha_vstany ideas?
17:41.02ubdeadat some shaking
17:41.09ubdeadat explosions or something
17:41.14ubdeador wobbling when unit walks
17:41.16ubdeadi have no idea
17:42.13Alpha_vstno i need to make it turn less
17:42.52XGDragonadd pictures of naked women.
17:43.22ubdeadlesbians*
17:43.26Alpha_vstgood idea for an easter egg
17:43.31Alpha_vstbut no
17:43.43ubdeadhow about add easter eggs
17:43.49ubdeadlike real eggs
17:44.18XGDragonthere are already eggs in sc2.
17:44.20XGDragonthats not original.
17:44.35Alpha_vstI NEED to make my camera spin less
17:44.47Alpha_vsti think i have an idea
17:44.51Grogianfreeze it
17:48.37Clordmap publishing probably follow soon
17:48.49Clordnothing stops them making it in time before weekend or next week
17:49.54BifuuO.o
17:49.55ubdeaddoes anybody know how to get to item a unit is carrying using effects?
17:49.59BifuuThey made Thors Smaller
17:50.09Clordvisually too?
17:50.16Bifuuo Thor
17:50.16Bifuu+ Radius decreased from 1.375 to 0.8125.
17:50.16Bifuu+ Model size reduced to match new radius.
17:50.24ubdeadwow!
17:50.28ubdeadthats a lot smaller
17:50.29Clordrather crap change
17:51.15Alpha_vsthttp://forums.battle.net/thread.html?topicId=23094049316&postId=246999546978&sid=5000#14
17:51.17Dustinhttp://store.steampowered.com/freeportal/
17:51.18Clordit probably ends up screwing my unit size
17:51.29DustinIf anyone doesnt already ahve it :P
17:51.37Alpha_vst# Vortex now removes Force Fields within its area of effect. LOL
17:51.44Alpha_vstFUCK
17:51.50Alpha_vstno more 1 hit kills
17:51.53Alpha_vst:(
17:52.18Alpha_vsthttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9C_rK5sCmR4&feature=player_embedded
17:52.26ubdeadrather small changes
17:52.27Alpha_vstthat was the best thing ever
17:52.40Alpha_vstthats a huge change :D
17:52.46ubdeadi mean small patch xD
17:52.53ubdeadbig changes ;)
17:52.55DustinOH SHIT PATCH!
17:53.09Alpha_vstyoru slow
17:53.34Dustinwtf
17:53.42DustinIt's just a Hotkey patch
17:53.46Dustinthat's stupid as fuck
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17:54.23XGDragonSupply count increased from 1 to 2.
17:54.26ClordI hope campaign thor keeps original size
17:54.27XGDragonthis is huge, fools.
17:54.44XGDragonit's like, hey by the way, fuck zerg
17:54.56DustinOh wait that was patch 11
17:54.57Motivebitches owe me a mac editor :(
17:54.58Motiveqq
17:57.00Alpha_vstlol
17:57.02Alpha_vstyeah
17:57.21Clordnot literally because in literal sense they don't owe it
17:57.44DustinEwww mac :P
17:58.04GrogianI agree
17:58.05Grogianew mac
17:58.47Bifuunot its more than hotkeys
17:58.50BifuuRoachnerf
17:58.53BifuuForge Nerf
17:59.04BifuuThor uhh change
17:59.05Alpha_vstcause cannon rush was op
17:59.36ubdead:(!!! my cannon rush :(
18:00.35MotiveMacs are not ew.
18:00.38MotiveThey are pretty. :P
18:00.45BifuuMacs are good with cheese
18:00.52Motive:D
18:01.05Alpha_vstim on a mac :P
18:01.19MotiveMac Power!
18:01.19Clordmac restaurant
18:01.21Alpha_vstmy baby mac
18:02.59Arthas-new patch?
18:03.01Arthas-where
18:03.06Clordronald!
18:03.07Alpha_vstlol
18:03.12Alpha_vstoh silly you
18:03.25Clordnew patch on road
18:03.30Ingelao Thor
18:03.30Ingela+ Radius decreased from 1.375 to 0.8125.
18:03.30Ingela+ Model size reduced to match new radius.
18:03.30Ingelawhat
18:03.37Arthas-where are the notes
18:03.44Arthas-nvm
18:03.47Arthas-http://forums.battle.net/thread.html?topicId=23094049316&postId=246999546978&sid=5000#14
18:03.48Arthas-!
18:03.49Ingelahttp://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=125183
18:04.01Ingelaoh
18:04.04Ingelaofficial notes are out
18:04.07Alpha_vstlol
18:04.09Alpha_vstnoob
18:04.12Clordoh and
18:04.13IngelaSTFU
18:04.15Clordwe europeans must wait extra
18:04.16Bifuuhttp://us.starcraft2.com/launcher/patch-notes.htm
18:04.17Clord^^
18:04.20Bifuupfft its still patch 11
18:04.21Arthas-fixed a crash which sometimes occured when qutting program
18:04.24Arthas-i have that all the time
18:04.28Ingela"sometimes"
18:04.29Ingela:D
18:04.38Bifuuwait
18:04.43BifuuCrash when quitting
18:04.44Bifuuso
18:04.48DurreanOo roach supply count doubled
18:04.50Bifuuit just quits harder
18:06.18Arthas-so Skizot
18:06.22Arthas-any pack w weapons yet? =p
18:06.24Alpha_vstthey need some regen back
18:06.27Arthas-also, love the logo
18:06.31Clordsize change of thor is really only thing what matters for me right now
18:06.39Clordas I need to edit scale value
18:06.41Clordthanks to them
18:06.50XGDragonlol, if you update itll update the editor
18:06.52XGDragonfoo'
18:07.04Ingelahe scaled it smaller
18:07.10Ingelaand then blizz will scale the standard even moer
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18:07.17Ingelaso his thor will be tiny thor?
18:07.23Clordit is easy to turn back if they made scale number below 1
18:07.25Arthas-thor is tiny
18:07.26Ingelaor am i missing somethingz
18:07.27heysparkyhowdy folks
18:07.28Alpha_vstit should effect his unit
18:07.33Arthas-they should swap the voice from arnold wannabe too peeweeeee
18:07.37Alpha_vstshouldnt 0.o
18:07.51ubdeadyea skizot nice work on the logo :)
18:08.02ubdeadim going to award godmode for shooting the logo xD
18:08.21ubdeadnuke the logo -> you win the game
18:08.37Clorddefeat sc2maps.... there is bases and giant logo in back
18:08.44ClordXD
18:08.59Ingelawtb thor pics
18:09.17ubdeadjust scale the thor actor to 0.8
18:09.19ubdead;)
18:09.38Ingela:(
18:09.44Clordlol
18:09.50Alpha_vstwhat logo?
18:09.50Ingelathat's not official
18:09.50Clordit just need to be changed based to patch notes
18:09.53Clordto get original size back
18:10.36Ingelai don't get why everyone whines about the roach nerf
18:10.42DustinMother fuckers need to stop nerfing zerg
18:10.47DustinThis is getting redicilious
18:10.55ubdeadrofl
18:11.03Ingelait's 100 minerals for another overlord to get same amount of roaches
18:11.05ubdeadwell they nerfed my cannon rush :(
18:11.06Ingelaand so on and so forth
18:11.13Ingelait only fucks you up in late game
18:11.17Ingelawhich is not a big deal
18:11.22Alpha_vstand the one use someone foudn for mothership
18:11.38Ingelai'm not a fan of zerg nerfs though but i don't see the hugeee deal about this
18:11.46ubdeadoh great i found a bug
18:11.51DustinIm just sick of them making the race worse
18:11.54DustinIt's no fun to paly now
18:11.57Dustinplay
18:12.01Ingelawell that i can agree with
18:12.04Alpha_vstwhat bug ubdead
18:12.10DustinI use to love Zerg in SC1
18:12.25ubdeadwell im using a validator and a search area to kill an item in my inventory
18:12.25Dustinnow they seem like a race that just uses a one trick pony to win, infestors
18:12.32ubdeadbut it just crashes the game as you use it
18:12.34Arthas-pffft
18:12.34Arthas-bs
18:12.37Arthas-l2p
18:12.37Arthas-!
18:12.39Alpha_vstno one uses infestors...
18:12.50Alpha_vstbut i have nto playted much lately :P
18:12.59Arthas-Ingela rocks w zerg
18:13.06ubdeadi havent played since the editor came out lol
18:13.08DustinIt's the only way you can really defend against ravens
18:13.13Alpha_vstsame
18:13.27Clordwell... with playing ladder few will maybe notice... if you do good map with editor.. tons will notice
18:13.27Alpha_vsti polayed my 5 matches and stomped people
18:13.28Clord;)
18:13.30Alpha_vstso im 5-0
18:13.47Arthas-http://games.slashdot.org/story/10/05/13/1441219/Rockstar-Ships-Max-Payne-2-Cracked-By-Pirates?art_pos=3
18:13.48Arthas-hahahahaha
18:13.51Arthas-nice :D
18:14.22ubdeadrofl
18:14.22Alpha_vstlol
18:14.31Alpha_vstthats not the first time that has happened
18:14.49Dustinlol
18:14.50ubdeadwell they are smart enough to admit they like the free DRM remove
18:14.56Arthas-Alpha_vst i know
18:15.04Arthas-but last time they reverted it pretty quickly
18:15.09Arthas-was an ubisoft published game iirc
18:15.57Alpha_vstlol
18:16.36Clordwell... at least first company to admit using crackers crack
18:16.57Arthas-they admitted?
18:17.05Arthas-well, so did they the last time
18:17.11ReactorexBawh
18:17.16ReactorexNo map editor updates?
18:17.17Arthas-but itll prolly be reverted, havent gone through the entire thread yet
18:18.12ubdeadfuck something is really wrong with my map
18:18.16ubdeadfuckkkkkk
18:19.04Alpha_vstwhat?
18:19.14ReactorexIs it crashing your editor when you open it?
18:19.26ubdeadusing an ability, ANY ability, the game crashes
18:19.32ReactorexO.o
18:19.48ubdeadim going to cry if this thing is corrupt lol
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18:20.06ubdeadah well praise me for autosave
18:20.14IgnoranceTHEY SHRUNK THE THOR
18:20.15IgnoranceWTF
18:20.16ReactorexBliss has joined the chat room.
18:20.27IgnoranceAny editor changes? :O
18:20.39Alpha_vstthor  looks huge to me still
18:20.59Vailrethno editor changes that i can tell..
18:21.38pom_pomi'm curious to see a pic of the two thor sizes side by side
18:21.39ReactorexI am making a group!
18:21.46ReactorexThe "Keep Thor big" group.
18:22.12ReactorexLame name, noble cause. 8)
18:22.43Vailrethi just hope some of their unmentioned tweaks do not break my mod like the last patch did
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18:23.03Hatinew patch?
18:23.04Alpha_vst:(
18:23.06Alpha_vstYES
18:23.20Hatinice
18:23.22Hatinotes yet?
18:23.26IgnoranceI just need to fix the movement system so that when you press both W and S or A and D they cancel instead of picking one.
18:23.29Hatiah k just saw
18:23.33Vailreththey shrunk thor...
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18:23.44`228zip.
18:23.46IgnoranceWe...know?
18:23.49Hatiroach 2supply o.O
18:23.58Vailrethi mean my scvs used to want to become thors when they grew up but now.... well
18:23.58IgnoranceRoach 2 supply = huge change
18:23.59`228zipWhat's the link to the patch notes ?
18:24.03IgnoranceWhy would they nerf it again, though?
18:24.18Hatihttp://us.starcraft2.com/launcher/patch-notes.htm
18:24.45Vailrethblizzard hates the Zerg...
18:25.03IgnoranceI don't see how the zerg are overpowered at all.
18:25.10`228zipWhat the hell is this nerf to roaches ?
18:25.10IgnoranceThey seem kind of weak atm in fact. :[
18:25.14Clordthor thor thor
18:25.17Ackisok folks, can you see this now: http://n4g.com/news/522294/curse-announces-starcraft-2-map-hosting-platform
18:25.34ClordXD
18:25.40pom_pomthey should keep roaches 2 supply but put armor back up to 2
18:25.52HatiVailreth: yup
18:25.53Clordthey should rename that unit in melee and change look and change story because that is no longer thor
18:26.16`228zipWhat's the new size for the thor ?
18:26.17Hatiif they had taken the armored thingy from roaches :(
18:26.19Clordit is more like if poop was named thor
18:26.22ubdead0.8
18:26.22Hatihalfed
18:26.26Hatizip
18:26.30`228zipMight as well call it a Goliath
18:26.47Hatiits a bit bigger than goliath i guess
18:26.55ClordI'm pretty sure they don't nerf size in campaign for it
18:26.56`228zipStill
18:26.58Clordit would look silly
18:27.00Vailrethwell find out at retail
18:27.13`228zipI don't understand any of these changes
18:27.17Clordcampaign is more about accuracy in unit sizes etc
18:27.27Clordthey use different balance data for it
18:27.27ubdeadwho cares about unit size
18:27.33Hatithe choke does
18:27.36`228zipThese were actually things player wanted a few patches ago
18:27.42`228zipNot now
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18:27.58ubdeadsure ramp blocking is very important when you are already teched up to thor
18:28.06Clordlol if they worried thor to get firing range without blocking every other unit.. they could have increased range
18:28.32`228zipClord: Might have had huge effects on thor drops
18:28.33Hatiubdead: no the thor was unable to pass the choke
18:28.43NeoDeathXpWTF
18:28.45`228zipYes, and the siege had problems with that too
18:28.46ubdeadmicro any1?
18:28.47NeoDeathXpi cant save
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18:29.03Ousniushi
18:29.04Xanroach nerf hah
18:29.07`228zipHow do you micro when you just can't get through ?
18:29.09Ousniuswhut? partch 11 out?
18:29.13Ousniuspatch*
18:29.17`228zippatch 12
18:29.18ubdeadget through what
18:29.27Ousniusanything new?
18:29.39`228zipWall with depots and barracks; you need to lower the two depots else tanks and thors can't pass
18:29.40NeoDeathXpits giving me an error. " Could not allocate Global Memory (try reducing the size). 683 times WTF
18:29.51Hatithor size, roach = 2sup, vortex now eats force fields
18:30.05`228zipAnd forge nerf
18:30.12ubdeadforge nerf sucks
18:30.14`228zipSlight
18:30.27`228zipUnless I'm missing something
18:30.30HatiSeveral Hotkey changes have been made (German client only).
18:30.31ubdeadwell the walling in of terran should be 2 depos anyway
18:30.32Hatiand german love
18:30.33Clordlol for me each patch now means fixing maps in data editor when they screw something up like thor size
18:30.52Alpha_vstlol
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18:30.57Clordlol
18:31.02`228zipubdead: Well if you put the barracks in the middle and the depots on the side, which is the most efficient against zealots and zerglings
18:31.06Hatiwell read the patch notes -> change back to prev :x
18:31.09`228zipyou can't get out these vehicles
18:31.14Xanwhy would they decrease the shield/hp of forge?
18:31.15ClordHati.. that's the plan ^^
18:31.21ubdeadthen lift off with the barracks yeez
18:31.27XGDragonto counter FE protoss defending with cannons
18:31.30XGDragonis all i can think of
18:31.30`228zipCan't lift off the addon
18:31.31ubdeadwall in is for rush block anyway
18:31.46XGDragoninstead, with the roach nerf theyre clearly trying to get ultralisks in the lategame
18:31.48ubdeadas you get to thor, dont bother with the wall
18:31.51XGDragonits just a shame they didnt update ultralisks.
18:32.01`228zipDidn't say I did it that way ubdead =o
18:32.13Alpha_vstie they want to see more data on ultras before they make a change
18:32.14`228zipI thought they'd do the ultralisks change this patch too
18:32.19Xanlast patch they increased the ultra damage
18:32.20ubdeadwell im just talking in general
18:32.22XGDragoni think this patch is too early
18:32.32XGDragonshould have gotten ultra buff together with roach nerf
18:32.33Xanthey probably still want to see what the effect of that is
18:32.45`228zipNow, let's see the rage
18:32.50`228zipin the b.net forums
18:32.54XGDragonno rage, i'm just going to have to make more banelings
18:33.00XGDragonwhich imo, are overpriced :P
18:33.29Xanimo they should remove the banelings nest and make it require lair or something instead
18:33.30Xan^^
18:33.37XGDragonnah nest is fine
18:33.38LextalionisWhat are they planning for ultras? The return of those omegalisk spinecrawlers?
18:33.51Clordif you have checked editor requirements for roaches
18:33.56Clordit uses old baneling name
18:34.06ClordXD
18:34.12ubdeadnext patch will add uberlisks to give zerg a late game boost
18:34.12Clordthey didn't update it
18:34.53Xanthere is also still "merc den" remains
18:35.10Clordwould be ironical if map publishing would be launched for europe first to make server stress easier to handle
18:35.11Clord;)
18:35.13Arthas-We need more zerg nerf
18:35.28Arthas-ima wish upon a star
18:35.29ubdeaddifferent servers anyway clord
18:35.30Arthas-then next day
18:35.31Ousniusno hosting with this patch? :(
18:35.31Arthas-BOOM
18:35.41Arthas-"Removed all air units for zerg"
18:35.47ubdeadrofl
18:35.47Clordit means I need polish my maps more and more
18:35.53Vailrethno publishing ....
18:35.56Arthas-That means, no ground units since overlords are flying!
18:36.04ubdeadlol
18:36.07Clordtechnically they hvoer
18:36.09Clordbut yeah
18:36.09ubdeadspinecrawlers
18:36.12Clordlol
18:36.22Xanno drones to make spinecrawlers
18:36.26ubdeadtrue
18:36.27Arthas-well
18:36.34Arthas-the main building provides food
18:36.35Arthas-:p
18:36.43Xanor they could make mass hatcheries
18:36.44ubdeadalso true
18:36.49Arthas-a winning tactic
18:36.52Arthas-i need to test that
18:36.53Xanhatchery creates 1 food right?
18:36.53Xan:P
18:36.54ubdeadgood thinking
18:36.58ubdeadmore like 8
18:37.01Xannah
18:37.03ClordI made map where spawning pools spawn eggs and eggs has menu to build units
18:37.06Arthas-also
18:37.10Xanyou start with OL in the beginning, and OL is 8
18:37.12Xanand you have like 9 food
18:37.13Arthas-techincally, zerg buildings should require food
18:37.13Xanat start
18:37.15Arthas-living units
18:37.24LextalionisIt is odd that the spawning pool spawns literally nothing.
18:37.37Arthas-thats not true
18:37.37ubdeadit's ironic
18:37.39RepoNew map: http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/extra-cheese-cat-n-mouse/. Extra Cheese [Cat n Mouse]. depthsofchaos (Manager/Author). Approved by xhatix.
18:37.44Arthas-it spawns dangerous gases
18:37.49ubdeadlol
18:37.52Clordït uses energy method... every game time second it gets one energy and once there is 10 energy it spawns egg to use for unit spawn
18:37.54Arthas-that enhances the green house effect
18:37.59Xanit spawns zergling wings
18:38.07Arthas-didnt you hear? if you build 200 pools you automatically win!
18:38.13ubdeadsweet
18:38.24LextalionisYou get the Pool Party achievement.
18:38.29Arthas-yeah
18:38.30ubdeadlol
18:38.37Arthas-I want awards like that
18:38.43Arthas-stupid suicidal awards in ladder games
18:38.58ubdeadthere was a achievent on some website, win a game using only workers
18:39.01ubdeadi did it lol
18:39.03Clordaward... don't break keyboard after losing
18:39.15Arthas-You earned the reward "Construct no additional pylons - Build 150 pylons all over the map during a ladder game!"
18:39.16`228zipis there a video about the new patch ?
18:39.21`228zipI'd like to see the new thor size
18:39.27`228zipand walk animation too =/
18:39.32Lextalionis?!
18:39.37ubdeadwhats with all the thor fanboys
18:39.41ubdeadget over it
18:39.47Arthas-ubdead stfu!
18:39.53Arthas-thor is almighty
18:39.54Arthas-or well
18:39.55Arthas-was
18:39.55ubdeadmake me thorboy
18:39.58Arthas-!
18:40.03ClordThor size is tied to lore
18:40.08Arthas-nazi fuck
18:40.10Arthas-I call godwins law
18:40.14LextalionisI'm a fan of any giant technological terror that zerglings rip apart.
18:40.16Arthas-so now discussion is over!
18:40.23Arthas-actually
18:40.31Clordit is like you released patch to remove psi blades
18:40.33Arthas-thor should attain big saw blade ability
18:40.34ubdeadrofl are you calling me nazi
18:40.35LextalionisLike the Death Star.
18:40.37Clordit would go against lore lol
18:40.40Arthas-so he can eat zerglings like the colossi!
18:40.41Vailrethitd be like if the shrank the Protoss Colossus
18:40.53Arthas-ubdead didnt you know?
18:40.54`228zipYea, not so colossal anymore
18:41.00ubdead"lore", gosh you guys are such fanboys
18:41.00Arthas-the first one to call nazi card in a discussion wins!
18:41.11ubdeadNO U
18:41.12Arthas-collosi
18:41.12`228zipBut what i don't really understand is why
18:41.22Arthas-hitable by air, but a ground unit 50% the size of a stalker
18:41.23Arthas-yeah
18:41.24`228zipThey were fine with that size
18:41.25Arthas-awesome
18:41.26LextalionisPathing?
18:41.49Clordmaybe they should try new aproach where every unit not fit everywhere
18:41.53`228zipReally that size problem wasn't a problem since the air splash
18:41.55Clordit is called strategical choices
18:42.00Clordtactical etc
18:42.39Clordlet's make all builders fly so people not need to realize how to transport them to islands
18:42.40Clord^^
18:43.14LextalionisReminds me of that old glitch that you could use to get builders diagonally across a SC1 map.
18:43.28ubdeadi agree Clord
18:43.39ubdeadthe giant thor size should just be a downside to thors
18:43.41Arthas-didnt sc1 have a really really weird zergbug
18:43.46NeoDeathXpits giving me an error. " Could not allocate Global Memory (try reducing the size). 683 times, anyone know what this means.
18:43.47Arthas-that made em fly?
18:43.48ubdeadalso learn2thor+medvac
18:43.50XGDragonyeah, with drones
18:43.52XGDragonextractor trick
18:44.01Arthas-wwhich with the help of a toss could make an invisible nydus?
18:44.12IgnoranceBaneling Busters v1.0.2 now up
18:44.13Arthas-if burrowin right before entering cloak field of the arbiter
18:44.18Ignoranceerr
18:44.27LextalionisWhat's the context, Neo?
18:44.28XGDragonlink k thx
18:44.29Clordtheir original idea for thor was best but it was too original for their taste... and blizzard is anti original
18:44.30Clord^^
18:44.39Clordthor was built by scv
18:44.40ubdeadyou would still see the creep artas
18:44.50Arthas-Clord i loved that concept
18:44.58Arthas-ubdead ah
18:44.59Ignorancehttp://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/baneling-busters/files/3-baneling-busters-v1-0-2/
18:45.02`228zipDidn't like it
18:45.06ClordI tried to make scv to build thor in map editor for map but it just insta builded itself
18:45.07Vailrethi liked the idea
18:45.10`228zipand neither did Blizzard apparently
18:45.20IgnoranceTest out the new super-smooth movement system so you can attempt to steal it for your arcade game
18:45.24`228zipsince Mothership has been nerfed into oblivion =/
18:45.30Arthas-theres much blizz dont like
18:45.32ubdeadgive back Time Bomb lol
18:45.35`228zipGot a video Ignorance ?
18:45.38Arthas-like latency free games
18:45.39IgnoranceNope.
18:45.43Arthas-stupid fags
18:45.45IgnoranceGo test it yourself. :P
18:45.47Arthas-not you ofc
18:45.48Arthas-blizz
18:45.55`228zipToo long!
18:45.56Arthas-time for some tv!
18:46.00Arthas-later
18:46.04ubdeadgl
18:46.33ClordI wonder what aproach I use castle fight like game for AI.... in 3v3v3v3 settting
18:46.43Clordrandom building is just so dull
18:47.08ubdeadtrigger the hell out of it
18:47.12ubdeadpremade builds
18:47.33ClordI probably again do that... check something random from enemy team and counter that
18:48.42Clordor maybe just something like... count unit types and most spammed unit type is countered
18:48.53Vailrethany one know the name of the thor actor?
18:49.14ubdeadtho
18:49.15ubdeadthor
18:49.16ubdeadlol
18:49.35Clordarnold...
18:49.37Clordjust joking lol
18:49.38Vailrethi searched and didnt find it so i asked but i foundit
18:50.15Clordit is not first time arnold is imitated for unit... red alert 3 - uprising has that freezer dude
18:50.17Clord^^
18:50.26ubdeadtrue
18:50.34ubdeadbut red alert 3 can suck my ASS
18:50.50Clordexpansion is rather fine
18:50.58Clordor more like
18:50.59Clordsequel
18:51.04ubdeadthe developers need to be lined up and shot
18:51.14ubdeadbut not in the head
18:51.18ubdeadin the legs
18:51.23ubdeadso they can bleed to death
18:51.24ubdeadslowly
18:51.36`228zipwill there be a Red Alert 4 ?
18:51.49Clordprobably not for while
18:51.50`228zipC&C4 didn't have much success, to my knowledge
18:52.00Clordbut I found overall red alert series of C&C be that better one
18:52.34ubdeadC&C4 needs to die in a grease fire
18:52.50ClordNod level 20... GDI... below
18:52.51ClordXD
18:53.16DaveKapdamn
18:53.27DaveKapseems like I can't run out of friends who need beta keys but can't pre-order the game :|
18:53.57NeoDeathXpWOW
18:54.31NeoDeathXpi could not save becasue my variable arrays where too migh aparenty Array [14][100][100] is too big
18:55.00ubdeadROFL
18:55.08ubdeadwtf is that array for
18:55.19LextalionisWhat were you using a 14000 entry array for?
18:55.21NeoDeathXphttp://forums.sc2mapster.com/general/general-chat/1698-its-giving-me-an-error-could-not-allocate-global-memory/#p3
18:55.22NeoDeathXpthis
18:55.29NeoDeathXp6000 buttons
18:55.33ubdeadrofl
18:55.34`228zipThe limit is very low
18:55.45`228zipYou can't even have 6000 buttons on the screen >.>
18:55.46ubdeadwhat the fuck do you need 6000 buttons for
18:56.00NeoDeathXpCrystarium
18:56.02ubdeaddont answer "BECAUSE I CAN"
18:56.10NeoDeathXpfor FF13 map
18:56.11`228zipJust reuse them
18:56.15ubdeadI see
18:56.15NeoDeathXpcant
18:56.26`228zipYou can turn off these triggers
18:56.27NeoDeathXpall the buttons do something diffrenet
18:56.39ClordI used very high array number for one thing.. siege tank HP fix
18:56.47Clordleveling siege tanks full heal when they switch modes
18:56.50LextalionisGreat Googley Moogley! I thought my UI was complicated!
18:56.58NeoDeathXplol
18:57.06NeoDeathXpmy UI is going to be nuts
18:57.33ubdeadthey need to put the "Editor - Prefix" field in the "New Object" window
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18:57.54Clordthere custom UI systems are more like dialog systems
18:57.55Clordlol
18:57.58Clordthese
18:58.38`228zipDoes anyone have a screenshot of the new thor ?
18:58.46Alpha_vstit looks the same :P
18:59.00Vailrethjust half the size hereabouts
18:59.27Clordand can be easily reverted with data editor
18:59.33`228zipScreenshot damn it
18:59.34Clordso it is not big deal
18:59.35`228zipx)
18:59.40`228zipI want a picture
18:59.51Ingelahttp://store.steampowered.com/freeportal/
18:59.55Ingelafor you all
19:00.17Alpha_vstalready told everyone yesterday :D
19:00.24Alpha_vstand i beat it already 0.o
19:00.26Ingela=)
19:00.31Alpha_vstthat game is short
19:00.38Ingelai played it through second time last night
19:00.49Ingelasuch a good game
19:00.59LextalionisIt was a good length. Never outstayed its welcome.
19:01.00Vailrethi cant wait for the sequal
19:01.11Alpha_vsttook longer to download then it did to beat it
19:01.16`228zipPORTAIL IS FREE ?N
19:01.18Dustinhttp://static.sc2mapster.com/content/images/20/794/Screenshot.Jpg
19:01.18Dustin:D
19:01.23DustinUi is done for now
19:01.23Ingelaye 228
19:01.34Ingelathat looks awesome dustin
19:01.38Alpha_vstyeah
19:01.41Alpha_vstpretty much
19:01.54Dustin:D
19:01.54`228zipWell, that's something to do while waiting for patch 12
19:01.55nicoli_svery cool
19:01.55AsaI remember playing that and needing to make a little pile of junk to get into a vent or something, then reading later I was suppose to use a rocket or something similiar
19:02.06AsaBut 90% of the people did what I did
19:02.36Alpha_vstlol
19:02.39Alpha_vstomg noob
19:02.47Alpha_vsti remember that vent
19:03.02Alpha_vstand i was like oh look cubes lets blow up the vent
19:03.09Alpha_vsttube thingy
19:03.23AsaThe tf2 portal video is funny
19:03.31AsaMultiplayer tf2 with the tf2 gun
19:03.40Ingelahttp://forums.battle.net/thread.html?topicId=24702406287&sid=5000
19:03.45Ingelathere's the explination btw
19:03.50Ingelafor patch notes
19:04.36AsaI don't think people are going to use many roaches anymore
19:05.30Ingelathey will, the nerf is just changing endgame play
19:05.36Ingelawhere you'd mass 200/200 roaches and steamroll
19:05.45LextalionisYay new sit rep!
19:06.30`228zip"In 200 supply battles Roaches can be very difficult to deal with even with the correct counters in play by protoss or terran players. "
19:06.47`228zipWhy the hell would you mass 200 roaches when they can be hardcountered ?
19:06.57AsaCouldn't one air unit kill 200 roaches?
19:07.03Dustinin 200 supply battles people have air which roaches cant hit...
19:07.11DustinYa its stupid logic on their part
19:07.20`228zipThey also have marauders/immortals/stalkers
19:07.22AsaI bet 10 void rays could kill 200 roaches in a few seconds
19:07.25Ingelano it's not it's perfectly make sense
19:07.27`228zipWhich dominate roaches
19:07.55depthsofchaosroaches are the only damage soakers
19:08.01GohlaUsually you mix your army up with other units instead of having 200 of the same units :p
19:08.01depthsofchaosnow there will be half of them
19:08.25`228zipYes, roaches are usually mixed with hydras
19:08.26AsaWhat if you make 400 lings thats autowin right there
19:08.46`228ziproaches and hydras are usually countered by siege tanks and colossi
19:08.52`228zipOr any splash damage guy
19:09.14depthsofchaoszerg for exmaple has no direct counter to marauder
19:09.59depthsofchaosall you could do is mass more roach to soak up the dmaage from them while hydras finish them :o
19:10.09`228zipHydras are more powerful than marauders actually
19:10.28`228zipAnd you don't soak up marauder damage with roaches ! what are you thinking ?
19:10.28depthsofchaoslol
19:10.47depthsofchaosthen what do you use against mmm
19:11.19Gohlabaneling? :p
19:11.30depthsofchaosnot rly :o
19:11.40`228ziphydras
19:11.50`228zipand depending on the marauder proportion
19:11.51`228ziproaches
19:11.57depthsofchaoshydras get raped by mmm
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19:12.05pierro__Anyone good at Trigger ready to answer few questions ??
19:12.11depthsofchaosstimpack just crushes their 80 hp
19:12.12`228zipinfestors also do pretty good
19:12.21`228zipwith fungal growth
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19:12.42LextalionisIf writing to records worked, triggers wouldn't be so tedious.
19:12.57`228zipObviously that's relatively high tech, but so are medivacs
19:12.58LextalionisOr maybe I'm doing something wrong.
19:13.03DustinRecords work fine
19:13.11`228zipStructs suck
19:13.18DustinI love structs Mmmm
19:13.25DustinWich I could add functions to records
19:13.27`228zipThey are so limited
19:13.32`228zipIt's stupid
19:13.39Durreananyone up for a maptest? EU
19:13.42depthsofchaosmeh against a same skilled terran a zerg will never win
19:13.56LextalionisFor the life of me, I've been unable to write to record variables. I can read them just fine, though... I assumed they were broken.
19:13.58`228zipStill
19:14.16`228zipHydralisks and roaches
19:14.20`228zipThey aren't cool
19:14.29`228zipThey don't feel original
19:14.32Durreanhydras are cool.. roaches aren't
19:14.34DustinMake the Record, then make a Variable set it to Record type, pick the record, then Set Variable RecordVar.Memeber
19:14.36depthsofchaosthey were
19:14.40Durreanbtw. roaches got a nerf today
19:14.52`228zipThe previous patches took everything fun out of the roaches
19:15.02`228zip(burrowed movements and regen)
19:15.05depthsofchaoshydra roach infestor was the only way to go basically against t
19:15.15`228zipHydras just feel like two marines fused together
19:15.29Durreanso noone up for a test?
19:15.53depthsofchaostesting what ?
19:16.05Ingelahttp://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=125183&currentpage=24#480
19:16.09Ingelai think this post said it best
19:16.11Durreanwhat i'm working on, it is a kind of survival
19:16.17Ingelaclick on nested quote
19:16.26depthsofchaosare you in eu region?
19:16.32Durreanyep eu
19:16.50depthsofchaossend the link and your id
19:17.25depthsofchaoszvp was fairly balanced imo except for brood lords
19:17.39depthsofchaosa 200 supply p crushed any 200 suply z
19:17.42depthsofchaosand now even more
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19:19.45LextalionisOkay, so I've been going about records totally wrong.
19:20.48Xaptiwow that was a fast patch12
19:21.44Xaptibut it sucked
19:23.38`228zipWhat ? patch 13 is being applied already ?
19:23.43`228zipThat would be great news
19:25.26Durreancool, the information window that bnet is not up is jumping around and not clickable
19:27.15Xaptiyeah it'sa good point, hydras are like slow marines that can't stim
19:27.41Xaptierr well not the slow part
19:27.45Xaptiunless the marines are stimmed
19:28.22ReactorexWoop-ee-doo. :/
19:30.55ubdeadjust give hydras stim
19:30.58ubdeadproblem SOLVED
19:33.42XaptiI think massing roaches was one of the only things that kept some zergling alive by mid game ZvP?
19:33.55Xapti*zerg
19:34.04`228zipmid game.. don't you have immortals at that point ?
19:34.31`228zipAll the zerg I see as terran just tech to T2
19:34.47Xaptiyeah but it's not like protoss can get too many immortals
19:35.15`228zipI guess, if you push relatively early with your roaches
19:35.43Xaptii'm talking about the later on parts of the ga me though
19:36.04Xaptiif not just roach, like hydra-roach with lings
19:36.15Xaptibut still a major component of roaches to tank
19:37.34Xapticolossus can 3 shot like 4 hydras, (which are also more expensive), while immortals 3 shot 1 roach
19:37.51`228zipI also have this problem with colossi as terran
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19:37.59`228zipThey counter everything the immortal doesn't
19:38.10`228zipExcept for air of course =)
19:38.16`228zipActually, aren't colossi massive ?
19:38.17Xaptiwell i'm comparing roaches vs hydras
19:38.29ubdeadthey aren't
19:38.30Xaptigetting hydras you'll be loosing so much more money faster than if yuo massed roaches vs immortals
19:38.40`228zipI really think hydras are better
19:38.41Xapticolossus is massive yes
19:38.49ubdead:(
19:38.52ubdeadis it really?
19:38.59Xaptiye
19:38.59`228zipCorruptors could probably kill colossi quite fast
19:39.04`228zipEspecially with their speed boost
19:39.06`228zipand new ability
19:39.15Xaptipretty decent speed yes, but their new ability is expensive
19:39.20Skizotmornin peeps
19:39.21ubdeadoh it is
19:39.23Xaptiand stalkers shoot them down still
19:39.25ubdeadevening
19:39.42Xaptitheir damage vs massive has decreased by 2 in patch 11
19:40.02`228zipWhat is their range ? 6 ?
19:40.05Xaptiyes
19:40.18`228zipVikings have a very big range which allows them to stay out of stalker range
19:40.30`228zipSo I can't really say anything there
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19:40.42Xaptiyes
19:40.47Xapti9 range
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19:42.00Xaptithey are cheaper too
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19:44.39Xaptieoaches essentialyl got a 25 mineral cost increase early game, and half-as many limit late game
19:45.43`228zipWhich isn't really justified
19:45.49`228zipBecause of all the nerfs they received lately
19:46.03Xaptithe problem is is they've done liek 5 nerfs
19:46.15`228zipThey need the cool stuff they had before
19:46.17Xaptiand the problem from the start IMO was their HP
19:46.20`228zipNamely
19:46.26`228zipBurrowed regeneration and movement
19:46.29Xaptihtey should have had like 100-125 HP
19:46.49Xaptithen people wouldn't need to bitch so much about the fact they deserve to be 1.4 supply
19:46.53`228zipmarauders have 125 and crazy damage against armored
19:47.03`228zipStalkers have 80 / 80
19:47.07`228zipiirc
19:47.44Xaptithe the marauder needs to be 2 supply because it's stimed and deals massive damage vs armoed, plus slows units
19:48.07Xandoesnt it use 2 supply already?
19:48.25Xaptiit does
19:48.44Xaptii'm just syaing if roache had same health (or a bit lower), it wouldn't make sense for it to be 2 supply
19:48.58Xaptiit never made sense to me to give roach so much health, for 75/25 cot
19:49.06Xanthey want you mass them less I guess
19:49.16`228zipIt made sense when marauders do twice the damage against them
19:49.22Xaptibut you cant' mass them when they cost 2 supply
19:49.22Xanto*
19:49.28Xanyeah exactly
19:49.34Xantoo many roach rushes :p
19:49.51Xaptithe problem is if you want them to be massed you should give htem less health
19:50.00Xanbut they dont want them to be weaker
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19:50.04Xapti145 is too much health for 75 mineral 25 gas
19:50.09`228zipWell, I don't know about protoss, but as a terran I NEVER see roaches
19:50.10Xaptiand all they do is nerf the regen
19:50.13Xaptinerf the regen
19:50.18Xaptinerf the movement speed
19:50.20`228zipnot even when doing hellion harass
19:50.21Xaptinerf the armor
19:50.25Xaptinerf the supply
19:50.28Xaptithey aren't doing it right
19:50.59`228zipI think that's ok for the resources
19:51.20`228zipBut they really need to cancel some of the previous nerfs
19:51.26Xaptithe problem with getting roaches vs hellion harass, is that they will loose to marauders that may come out right after
19:51.32Xaptias well as the fact that they require gas
19:51.49Xaptiso it's much more convieniant to just get a spine crawler and queens
19:51.58`228zipWhich is what most people do
19:52.35XaptiBlizzard is in a really bad spot for this far along in the beta
19:52.54Xaptizerg might as well be as bad or unfinished (based off what they said) as a year or two ago
19:53.24XaptiI can live with zerg being a race with zero abilities, and bland units,
19:53.26`228zipI'm guessing this change is for testing
19:53.27Grumdid we just get a sc2 patch?
19:53.30Xaptibut i expect more from blizzard
19:53.33`228zipYes we did Grum
19:53.39`228zipAnd I still want a pic of the Thor!
19:53.40TriceronRoaches are 1 food so they can be massed.  If they were 2 food, they wouldn't be made.  They're only 3 range and aren't swarmy like lings
19:54.10Xaptiwere 1 food
19:54.12`228zipXapti: Same here, roaches and hydralisks are so bland =/
19:54.16Triceronthey're 2 food now?
19:54.19Xaptiyes
19:54.19`228zipRoaches are made ?
19:54.22Triceronthere was a patch?
19:54.23Triceronwow
19:54.34Grumah fek that
19:54.44Grumi'll update git sc2-dev repo soonish
19:54.49Grumdidnt we already get a p12?
19:55.18`228zipOh, it's dl-ing patch 11 again
19:55.19`228zip=(
19:56.35Durreanat least they fixed the crashing bug on quitting
19:56.52Xaptiif they are goign to make roaches 2 supply
19:56.58Xaptiroaches should get 2 armor back
19:57.08Xaptiand maybe +10 health
19:57.20Xaptiand unburrowed regen ugprade
19:57.23Durreannoo :( zerglings are useless against roaches if they have 2 armor
19:57.30Xaptiand all that other junk they removed from them
19:57.46Xaptizerglings are useless against roaches if they have 1 armor
19:57.51Xaptijust less useless
19:58.47`228zipSpeedlings can just outrun roaches can't they ?
19:58.52`228zipharass both bases
20:01.02Triceronlings still die to roaches.  Roaches are meant to be ling counter
20:01.31Triceronwell.  I guess not anymore
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20:05.43ReactorexIs there an ability in SC2 that fires something in a direction?
20:06.02ReactorexJust something to go by when making my ability.
20:06.02ubdeadnope :)
20:06.15Xanthat infestor ability?
20:06.34ubdeadtry using a persistent effect with an offset peroid
20:06.46ReactorexCan I do X Y and Z?
20:06.52ReactorexLike from point to point.
20:06.54ubdeadnot sure if you can do Z
20:07.03ubdeadbut you can do X and Y
20:07.29SkizotMotive
20:07.32Skizotyou around?
20:07.38ReactorexThat'll work. :)
20:07.53ubdeadlet me know :)
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20:08.01`228zip~seen Motive
20:08.02purlmotive is currently on #sc2mapster (2h 13m 39s). Has said a total of 6 messages. Is idling for 2h 6m 43s, last said: 'Mac Power! '.
20:08.08`228zip~seen motive_
20:08.08purlmotive_ <~motive@c-71-225-48-99.hsd1.nj.comcast.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #sc2mapster, 10d 23h 9m 17s ago, saying: ':('.
20:08.08ReactorexI'll be sure to.
20:08.13`228zipThat's motive =p
20:08.24Alpha_vstI think i made a sexy camera
20:08.25ubdead10 days lol
20:08.25Alpha_vstwoot
20:08.42Reactorex~seen reactorex
20:08.42purlreactorex is currently on #sc2mapster. Has said a total of 33 messages. Is idling for 0s, last said: '~seen reactorex'.
20:08.42`228zipSkizot, what's the problem ? =o
20:08.54ReactorexZero idles. Bawh.
20:09.01Alpha_vstlol
20:09.09ubdead~seen ubdead
20:09.10purlubdead is currently on #sc2mapster (8h 2m 42s). Has said a total of 333 messages. Is idling for 1s, last said: '~seen ubdead'.
20:09.10`228zip~seen a228zip
20:09.11purla228zip <~56439dae@gateway/web/freenode/x-mdadilrrkuxlxhlp> was last seen on IRC in channel #sc2mapster, 19d 12h 39m 44s ago, saying: 'skizot, still there ?'.
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20:09.20ubdead333 messages lulz
20:09.27`228zip~seen mikelat
20:09.28purlmikelat <~mikelat@CPE000f3d5d72d5-CM000f9f776f28.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #sc2mapster, 1d 4h 3m 42s ago, saying: 'alright'.
20:09.40Alpha_vstmy god this cam is pretty awesome like
20:09.46ubdeadwhats it like
20:09.47`228zipGot a pic ?
20:09.54ReactorexMac power ftw.
20:10.00Alpha_vstits the movement :D
20:10.01`228zipAnd I still want a pic of the damn thor =(
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20:10.16ubdeadhey guys, any idea why i broke my missile not colliding buildings?
20:10.38ReactorexIs it trigger or data editor?
20:10.46ubdeadnah data editor all the way
20:11.07ubdeadcould be that the trigger is a search area effect
20:11.17ubdeadso it used the point for the impact location
20:11.19ubdeadand not the unit
20:11.23ReactorexHey, does voice chat work for anyone?
20:11.33Alpha_vstnever has
20:11.41ReactorexBawh.
20:11.52whitebomberBaww. :(
20:11.53ReactorexAny idea why?
20:12.00ReactorexThey said to test it. ;o
20:12.01`228zipnever worked for me, not even of wow
20:12.14devileskis there a way to make it so only a certain unit can pick up an item
20:12.36Reactorexunit picks up item, triggering unit = specific unit?
20:12.48devileskis that a trigger?
20:12.56ubdeadno its a validator
20:13.04devileskoh
20:13.11devileskbut where do i put the validator
20:13.18ubdeadin the data editor
20:13.24devileskwhere though
20:13.31ubdeadvalidators
20:13.31devileski don't see a validator field in items
20:13.36ubdeadoh
20:13.47ubdeadwell i suppose you could also use a requirement
20:13.58Dustinuploading new TDF video :D
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20:14.13devilesknot working for me
20:14.57ubdeadoh i got an idea
20:15.06ubdeadyou could specify a certain item container
20:15.15ubdeadthen only the units with that item container
20:15.21ubdeadwould be able to pick it up
20:15.31Durreanthats buggy like hell
20:15.43Durreanyou can only check if it is in all item containers in a unit
20:15.50Durreannot specific container nor slots
20:15.51ubdeadwell then create a certain item class
20:16.28ubdeadand make special type of inventory
20:16.38ubdeadand give it a slot for that certain item class
20:16.50ubdeadbit of a work around, but meh
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20:18.38Alpha_vstsigh fuck
20:18.59Alpha_vsthow do you get rid of a unit thatwont show in teh editor but does in game?
20:20.11Arthas-http://i.imgur.com/EFOH6.jpg
20:20.14Arthas-for you mac people
20:20.16Arthas-like hyarion
20:20.22Arthas-!
20:20.36ubdeadrofl arthas
20:20.37Alpha_vstwow cause macs still only have 1 button
20:20.48Arthas-awwwww
20:20.51Arthas-I made alpha cry
20:20.52Arthas-:<
20:20.55Arthas-pats alpha
20:20.58Alpha_vstnot really
20:21.10ubdeadmy mouse has 8 buttons
20:21.14ubdeadmacs have ONE
20:21.17Alpha_vstthis unit thats in my game but i cant get rid of it is pissing me off
20:21.22ubdeadi fart in macs general direction
20:21.34Arthas-the mac hating will never end
20:21.35Arthas-:p
20:21.42Alpha_vstmy mouse has 7 buttons i have a mac
20:21.47Alpha_vstwhat now?
20:21.58Arthas-alpha, cant take a joke :(
20:22.17Alpha_vstreally though how do i delete thee things
20:22.18Arthas-im disappoint!
20:22.18LiliannaI like my Mac. ^^
20:22.25LiliannaIt also uses the same mouse as my PC. :o
20:22.26Arthas-thee tings?
20:22.36Alpha_vstthese
20:22.50Arthas-im just going to assume you tried hitting space and deleting it :p
20:22.53LiliannaMy mouse only has 6 buttons. c.c, but two of them are adjustable!
20:23.02Arthas-and that only confuses me more
20:23.08Alpha_vstarthas the unit isnt showing on my editor
20:23.13Alpha_vstnot even selecting all
20:23.16Arthas-edit objects file
20:23.49Alpha_vstwhere is it?
20:23.52Arthas-ie, save as sc2components, open objects find the crap unit and delete it
20:25.23hyarionhuh?
20:25.26hyarionah
20:25.48hyarionhehe
20:26.06Arthas-and find the coordinates for your unit using the editor :p
20:26.11Grumso erm this last patch is classified as patch12? O.o
20:26.18Arthas-then pinpoint the correct row in the object file
20:26.20Triceronit is
20:26.26Grumwe already had 12 ;(
20:26.32Triceronno, we were at 11
20:26.37`228ziphttp://www.sc2promod.com/screenshots/goliath2.jpg
20:26.40`228zipRemember that ?
20:26.45`228zipWell, now it's true
20:26.48Arthas-it counts as 12 based on their forum posts
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20:27.20Alpha_vsthow do i get that file back into the game :P ie where do i import it to :P
20:27.35Arthas-stop-hammAlpha_vst no need to
20:27.42Arthas-stop-hammjust edit it directly in the sc2components folder
20:27.49Arthas-stop-hammthen use the editor to open the folder
20:28.21Arthas-stop-hammthe map can then be resaved as sc2map if you prefer that, i prefer sc2components while making em :p
20:28.30Xaptihaha that mac comic is great
20:28.37Arthas-stop-hammXapti indeed!
20:28.51Arthas-stop-hammalpha was just having a bad editor experience and is forgiven :p
20:28.59Arthas-stop-hammalthough i dont know if he sees the fun in the comic :<
20:29.08Alpha_vstum now i have broken triggers :D
20:29.21Arthas-stop-hammperhaps they refered to that unit
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20:29.32Arthas-stop-hammotherwise, they should not be broken :p
20:30.21Alpha_vstnope
20:30.38Arthas-stop-hammin what way did they break
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20:32.13Arthas-2thor, now 41% smaller
20:32.16LonZealotwow that 3d mapster logo is awesome
20:32.18Alpha_vstgrrrr hmmmm
20:32.44Alpha_vstokay so i got back to my working game
20:32.53Alpha_vstlets try this again
20:33.20Arthas-2suddenly
20:33.28Arthas-2transporting thor with medivacs aint as awesome as it used to be
20:33.35Arthas-2now, you barely see em!
20:33.42Xan:/
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20:35.18`228zipArthas-2: Can you give a screenshot ? =/
20:35.49Alpha_vstlooks like all i had to do was close my map anyways lol
20:35.51Arthas-2sure
20:36.01Arthas-2lemme just upload it :p
20:36.21Alpha_vstdo a old vs new size
20:36.34Arthas-2errrrr
20:36.41Arthas-2hold :p
20:37.04Vailrethman i wish there was a generic unburrow
20:37.25Arthas-2http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/6664/screenshot004ws.jpg
20:37.29Arthas-2there is only w new
20:38.21RepoNew map: http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/wargames/. WarGames. TheDeadguy25 (Manager/Author). Approved by xhatix.
20:38.52Arthas-2scaling went from 0.65 to 0.55
20:40.16Arthas-2uploading comparison :p
20:40.21Arthas-2not that much of a difference actually
20:40.44Arthas-2old vs new thor http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/7627/screenshot005gb.jpg
20:40.54RepoNew map: http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/working-title-minion-assault/. [Working Title] Minion Assault. Psiclone01 (Manager/Author). Experimental. Approved by xhatix.
20:41.05Arthas-2Alpha_vst there ya go
20:41.20`228zipThe change is actually not as noticeable as I thought
20:41.24Arthas-2nope
20:41.33Alpha_vsti couldnt see it :P
20:41.43`228zipHowever
20:41.46`228zipIn game
20:41.51Alpha_vstit actually looks more right 0.o
20:41.54`228zipIt's quite noticeable
20:41.59ubdeadlooks better
20:42.02`228zipAnd their movement animation
20:42.05`228zipIs way too fast
20:42.20Alpha_vstlol the didnt lowers it :P
20:42.33`228ziplol
20:42.35ubdeadyes he did silly
20:42.38ubdeadon some
20:42.42Arthas-2?
20:42.58Alpha_vsti did mean the speed of the unit
20:42.58`228zipTry putting them in a medivac
20:43.00`228zipThey don't fit
20:43.10`228zipThey're floating under the ship
20:43.21Arthas-2haha
20:43.30ubdeadlol they need to set the offset
20:43.35Arthas-2[Suggestion] When resizing a unit, do it right from the first time
20:43.47Arthas-2Body: nt
20:43.52Arthas-2I miss those nt threads!
20:44.09Arthas-2ah well
20:44.11`228zipnt ?
20:44.12Arthas-2time for alice in wonderland
20:44.14Arthas-2no text
20:44.24Xanat least they fixed the crash on exit
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20:44.48Arthas-2[Suggestion] dont increase crash / freeze on exit when patching the game, you are supposed to fix things, not break em!
20:44.49Vailrethi cant wait for retail ooh to play with all of the campaign units
20:45.05Alpha_vstyeah lol
20:45.12Alpha_vsthmmm my cam is almsot done
20:45.15Arthas-2I mean
20:45.23Arthas-2I havent talked to one person who didnt have that problem
20:45.28Arthas-2"crashed for some users"
20:45.29Arthas-2bah
20:45.35Arthas-2ah well, no more rant, more movie!
20:45.42Xan"crash that sometimes occured"
20:45.44Xanit said
20:45.44Xan:P
20:45.49`228zipAlright
20:45.50`228zipSo
20:45.58Xanbasically occured whenever you have the game open for more than 5 minutes :p
20:46.04`228zipThors can now fit through a single lowered depot
20:46.08`228zipWhich is aweseome
20:46.15Alpha_vsti think thats was the point
20:46.22`228zipYep
20:46.29`228zipThey're just the right size
20:46.32`228zipI'm going to check for tanks
20:46.41Hatianyone has yet figured out stuff new with p12 to editor?
20:46.44XanArthas-2? fuck movie, play? :p
20:46.45Hatifixes etc. ?
20:47.05`228zipWell the data editor still sucks
20:47.33Vailrethi didnt know you could graviton beam lift a sieged siege tank
20:47.49Skizotyou can graviton a coluusus
20:47.56Grumwtf, patchnotes say: StarCraft II Beta -- Patch 12 (version 0.14.0.15343)
20:48.02Grumbut when i patched it said .13 o.O
20:48.05`228zipNo you can't, they're massive
20:48.17ubdeadlol i love messing around with movers
20:48.26Skizotyeah you can. it's an easy fix.
20:48.28Skizot:D
20:48.53Vailrethhttp://worthplaying.com/article/2010/5/4/previews/74053/images/229853/
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20:49.39`228ziphow are they still shooting vailreth ?
20:49.58Vailrethdunnow if they are
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20:54.50Hatizomfg
20:54.58Hatithe editor rows now fit on load!
20:55.05Hatior columns
20:55.10Hatihow you want to describe it :x
20:55.34Zaratuliuswhat is a difference betwene modal and non moadl dialog?
20:55.39Xanthey changed the editor any this patch?
20:56.20HatiXan: the columns in debugger/data editor seem to been enlarged
20:56.49Xanoh
20:56.54Xanthats it?
21:00.37Pierro_Is it possible to kill interceptor trough trigger when they are in the carrier ?
21:02.18Vailrethsweet you CAN anti grav a Sieged tank by default
21:03.06DurreanPierro try this: Unit - Remove (Cargo unit in (Triggering unit) at slot 1) from the game
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21:04.15Pierro_k thx
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21:05.20Grumsc2-dev diff thing updated: http://github.com/grum/sc2-dev/commit/e6ba32ad202daf52d282baffcee08d5179b62374
21:06.02Vailrethhmm maybe i should switch it back give templars stasis and give gaviton back to Phoenixes
21:07.51deviliriumty for the diff grum
21:11.48IgnoranceHas anyone actually released any of the maps with the amazing UIs?
21:11.50ReactorexHey, is there any way to change the max cliff height?
21:12.01ReactorexAnd the real heights the various cliff heights are?
21:12.26ubdeadmovers are pretty complex lol
21:13.22CrazafiedVailreth what ui are you talking about?
21:13.47CrazafiedTheir are many maps that have been released with custom ui all of which are pretty simple just cleaver use of dialogs
21:15.13Dustinya my custom ui is prtty simple
21:15.14Dustinhttp://static.sc2mapster.com/content/images/20/794/Screenshot.Jpg
21:16.11nicoli_swhat sort of map is that dustin?
21:16.23DustinTop Down Shooter Action RPG
21:16.36nicoli_sahh very cool
21:16.57SilverSeraphimDustin: that's awesome. is there a guide you followed to learn how to put ui components around?
21:17.14DustinNah just figured it out myself
21:17.31SilverSeraphimdo you use triggers to setup everything?
21:17.41DustinYupp
21:17.49SilverSeraphimcool
21:19.05VailrethCrazafied:  i was talking about my edits to the units
21:19.22DustinWaiting for my Youtube video to process =/
21:20.04SilverSeraphimDustin: is it click to fire?
21:20.12Dustinyup
21:20.37Dustinhttp://dl.dropbox.com/u/843426/TopDownFightersV8.02.SC2Map
21:20.43DustinYou can test if youd like
21:20.50SilverSeraphimcool thanks!
21:24.07Pierro_How can i see what unit are in a unit group created by trigger ?
21:24.10Pierro_in game
21:24.38DustinAll units
21:24.40Dustinor a specific unit
21:25.18DustinYou could do a loop through the player group and attach a Model to the Overhead of all units in the group
21:26.13Pierro_I just crashed my game
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21:40.06DustinFucking youtube is slow as hell
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21:42.46Alpha_vsthowdy :D
21:43.06Pierro_Yeah i almost made it. I find the effects that free a slot in the broodlord hangar!
21:43.08Alpha_vsti hate events :P
21:43.20Pierro_so now my orbs are being consumed
21:43.22Vailrethwhy?
21:43.25Pierro_without trigger
21:43.38Alpha_vstbecause i cant have a and :D
21:43.54Vailrethwhat do you mean a and?
21:44.18Pierro_he meant End maybe
21:45.01Pierro_Anyway i m so happy. with my unit almost working
21:45.16Alpha_vsti want 2 events to trigger something
21:45.18Alpha_vst:P
21:45.38Alpha_vstbut not one or the other events are or statments
21:45.40Alpha_vstnot and
21:46.00Vailrethfor a trigger or in an actor?
21:46.29Alpha_vsttrigger
21:46.38Vailrethah cant help there
21:46.55Alpha_vst2 triggers i guess :P
21:48.50Pierro_I still don't get it how smoothly the broodlord is working. However i made a huge step in my map.
21:50.17Vailrethwhat are you trying to do Alpha ?
21:50.28Alpha_vstdo an update
21:50.41Vailrethah.
21:50.56Vailrethhow about you Pierro_?
21:51.13Alpha_vstworking on my camera system
21:52.08VailrethAlpha i hope you get it working
21:52.32Alpha_vstyeah its pretty sexy
21:52.33Durreanis the eu battlenet still down?
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21:54.50ubdeadi never imagined how much better mapping got when you put on the SC1 terran sound track
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21:55.14Alpha_vstlol?
21:55.37ubdeadgot the music is so awesom
21:55.41Pierro_Vailreth
21:55.49Pierro_i didnt use the effect Give order
21:55.59Pierro_this is the one i think that free the broodling
21:56.18Pierro_atleast it consumme my orbs and they were repleneshing
21:56.55Alpha_vst:D
21:57.19Alpha_vstmy camera still feels a little off :(
21:57.35Pierro_I did a splinter cell camera
21:57.37Pierro_kinda
21:57.47Pierro_in my mind
21:57.53Pierro_not yet in game
21:58.01Ignoranceyeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah
21:58.02Pierro_but for a zerg unit game could be cool
21:58.12Vailrethi am trying to recreate a living unit version of the wc3 corpse wagon exhume corpse.. baisly spawn units IN a transport
21:58.16Pierro_smelling terran
21:58.58Pierro_use the effect create unit + effect give order to that unit
21:59.02Alpha_vsti dont knwo what splinter cell camera is :P
21:59.08Pierro_infra red
21:59.22Pierro_u can see through wall
21:59.25Pierro_or in dark
21:59.28Alpha_vstlol
21:59.49Alpha_vstmine just rotates sexy :P
22:00.19Pierro_basically it is a black and white camera setting and an AURA effect/behavior that show enemy units as Green ball
22:00.27Pierro_or any other model
22:01.20Pierro_anyway i m still working on my orbs
22:01.22Pierro_system
22:01.43Alpha_vstlol
22:01.43Pierro_Can we apply physics to living unit ?
22:01.53Alpha_vstto any unit yeah
22:02.01Pierro_like you know a spell that throw unit away
22:02.11Pierro_this will be my next goal
22:02.27Pierro_a schockwave circle shaped
22:02.36Pierro_from my marine
22:02.40Alpha_vstwhats a good programs for making movies from sc2?
22:03.43Xanugh, cant log on to beta :/
22:03.54Alpha_vsti dont even bother :P
22:04.00XanAlpha_vst, you mean which program you record in?
22:04.07Alpha_vstyeah
22:04.09Xanfraps
22:04.10Alpha_vstwhat ever
22:04.47Alpha_vstsexy thanks
22:05.14Alpha_vsti want to make a little movie of me game :P
22:06.28Xanheh
22:14.23Vailrethhow do you create an actor with a trigger i am getting an error can not create actor at region blah blah
22:15.09IgnoranceMAN UP that's how
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22:18.36rrowlandWhich IRC server is this channel on? I don't think it's listed on sc2mapster
22:18.44Alpha_vstLAme
22:18.47Xanfreenode
22:18.52Alpha_vstso i jsut noticed a fucking error
22:19.06Hatithere are not enough hack&slay games for pc :(
22:19.19Skizotanyone here good at identifying WoW uis?
22:19.27Alpha_vstwhen you cahnge water levels the game doesnt change the spalshed on teh cliffs
22:19.28DustinCan you not play Online with Different OS's
22:19.36DustinLike a mac person cant paly with a Windows person...
22:19.42Skizotyeah you can.
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22:21.54DustinHmmm
22:21.59Dustinwonder what went wrong then
22:22.05Skizothttp://i42.tinypic.com/29ntapd.jpg
22:22.11Skizotanyone recognize that ui?
22:22.15DustinThe Mac Map patcher uses Lost temple doesnt it
22:22.19Skizotyes
22:25.12Azu18:44 Arthas-:#sc2mapster • Azu-away
22:25.13Azu?
22:26.26RevesAnyone know what I might have done worng if my Command card is still showing and ability I have set under a learn ability before I have learned it?
22:26.57AzuZaratulius hows the map commin along? :p
22:26.58rrowlandYou have to add the learn button to one of the cards
22:27.01ubdeadmnnn why doesn't my missile change it launching position?
22:27.20ubdeadhow to change the launch position of a missile :)?
22:27.37ubdead(i did it before, but now i can only change the position of the launching animation :S)?
22:27.37rrowlandSo you need the ability button, the hero learn button, and then the button they click to level up up the ability
22:27.48Alpha_vstwoot crappy viedo quality movie done :D
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22:28.47Reveshmm have all 3 and still no luck :(
22:29.07Revesbleh Ill start the process over and see if it goes right the second time
22:29.14ubdeadany1: changing the launch position for a missile?
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22:30.08AzuAlpha_vst gogo
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22:31.25vjeuxhttp://n4g.com/news/522294/curse-announces-starcraft-2-map-hosting-platform
22:31.27vjeuxgreat
22:32.16LaptopFurylawl
22:32.22Hatihttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hoFYEtj2tDw
22:32.23Alpha_vstwtf
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22:32.28Hatinow i want to play zelda snes :(
22:32.30Alpha_vsti hate uptube
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22:32.55Alpha_vsti need to edit my video how to do :P
22:32.57IgnoranceI need something to do
22:34.30XanAlpha_vst: download sony vegas to edit your video
22:34.31Xan:p
22:34.45Skizothttp://sc2.curse.com/downloads/sc2-maps/details/platformsdemo.aspx
22:34.49Skizotisn't that mojaches?!
22:34.58Alpha_vstyeah...
22:35.05Alpha_vstthat was fun
22:35.23Xanit says "credit to mojache" at the bottom
22:36.04Skizotyeah but the author is rurikar?
22:36.12Alpha_vstmy video is 2.1 gb :(
22:36.26Xanyea alpha, you need to compress it, using sony vegas
22:36.35Azu2.1 gb = low quality? >_>
22:36.38Xanyou can do it after you've edited it
22:36.39Xannah
22:37.02Alpha_vstlol my game settings are low quality :D
22:37.09Xanopen sony vegas - edit however you want - then render it
22:37.09Xanoh
22:37.11Alpha_vstthe video is 5 min
22:37.24Xanwell fraps creates uncompressed video files
22:37.26Xanso they are huge
22:37.27Alpha_vstyeah
22:37.52Alpha_vsti really just want feed back on my camera :P
22:37.59Azu:o
22:40.08Alpha_vsteven though it has a few problems like long distance moving but you shouldn't be doing such things anyways :P
22:40.35Azulols
22:40.37Azuskype 5.0 beta
22:40.43Azudls
22:40.47DustinGod damnit
22:40.47Alpha_vstand?
22:40.55DustinPlaying online is to fucking hard
22:41.01Alpha_vstlol
22:41.04LaptopFurywhy is curse already pushing for this map hosting service if it's already been confirmed you won't be able to play maps not hosted on bnet?
22:41.08DustinMap patching doesnt work for half the people
22:41.21LaptopFuryyou have to patch inside the lobby?
22:41.24IgnoranceI wish I could find another map where some serious maps are used, or one with a good UI for that matter.
22:41.24Alpha_vstbecause curse if fucking retarted
22:41.38CrazafiedDustin talk to skizot he got my shit working for me
22:41.44ubdead"you won't be able to play maps not hosted on bnet?" OH SHI-
22:41.52LaptopFuryWell, yeah
22:41.53Crazafiedsomething about an app data file or something
22:41.53DustinIt works for me
22:42.02LaptopFuryIt's pretty much assumed, by the BlizzChat
22:42.03DustinBut my friend is on a mac and he keeps seeing lsot temple
22:42.08LaptopFury(my question, #14)
22:42.08Ignorancesome serious math* is used
22:42.09IgnorancexD
22:42.12Ignorancethat's what I mean
22:42.23LaptopFuryDustin, you're supposed to see lost temple in the lobby
22:42.25Ignorancewish I could see like Rrowland's physics maps or something like that
22:42.29DustinIll bust out the math when I dont have to use GUI :P
22:42.31LaptopFuryYou replace the map while IN the Lost Temple lobby
22:42.35DustinNo the lobby, when the game starts
22:42.54Azuin lobby, before you start the game
22:42.56CrazafiedI had the same problem but dunno how you would fix on map
22:42.59Azumap*
22:43.01Crazafiedmac*
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22:44.28Vailrethany one have anly luck placing an actor via triggers?
22:45.10IgnoranceDon't you have to attach it to a unit or region?
22:45.47Vailrethi dont think so ..
22:46.12CrazafiedAn actor is a model for a unit pretty much
22:46.29Crazafiedim pretty sure u cant just place it without having a frame for it
22:46.41XaptiWell doodads are actors with footprints
22:46.43Xaptithey don't have units
22:46.56CrazafiedNo but they have a frame that tells you what it is x y z
22:47.09Vailreththats why i though you could create an actor scope,,, i really dont want to have to make doodads for dead marines
22:47.10ubdeaddoes any of you guys know how to alternate the fire location on a unit (like the thor does with his AA attack)
22:47.14JcupActors rnt just for units
22:48.49CrazafiedI think thats your only bet vailreth is to have a doodad or a unit with death animation sent to the actor
22:49.10Vailrethi think so too likely a doodad
22:49.41Crazafiedare they static or are you creating dead marines spawned after the game is started?
22:51.50Vailreththey are static just eyecandy to enhance the feel of my map
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22:54.00Alpha_vstI have dead marines in my map :D
22:54.38Skizotyou are welcome.
22:54.39Skizot:P
22:54.47Alpha_vst:D
22:55.55Alpha_vstthanks and to show i care i have your logo in my map :P
22:56.06Skizot:D
22:56.10Skizotscreenies
22:56.53Alpha_vstshit well i would say they are in my movie but they are not :(
22:57.11Alpha_vsti could redo it but how is that fun?
22:59.12Azudead marines :x
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23:03.37MotiveI'm a motive.
23:03.41Alpha_vstblah
23:04.29heysparkywhat happens to units outside the playable area when the playable area changes?
23:05.49DustinNo idea, try it :P
23:06.36rrowlandPretty sure they're pushed out of the game and into reality
23:08.52ReactorexDead marines? How do?
23:08.53Reactorex:o xD
23:10.21Skizot:D
23:10.33DustinThis Map patcher shit is so broken...
23:10.41Skizotit works fine for me.
23:10.43IgnoranceI'm pretty sure they stay the same.
23:10.44Dustinsometimes it works, sometimes it doesnt
23:10.49Skizotmac?
23:10.53heysparkydustin: I've been trying it and my game hangs
23:10.54rrowlandI've never had problems with them
23:10.56DustinOne person is a mac
23:10.58heysparkytrying to pinpoint why
23:11.00DustinIm on 7
23:11.06Skizotme too works great for me.
23:11.08rrowlandHow many players?
23:11.12rrowlandI bet it's user error
23:11.14Skizotyour friend is a tool.
23:11.15SkizotXD
23:11.18DustinIt's not user error
23:11.20Dustin:P
23:11.23DustinYa I hate macs
23:11.26ReactorexDustin: My brother sees "Starcraft II" logo when loading any map as a custom map. Then we crash.
23:11.27IgnoranceIf you guys want to play baneling busters in about an hour, I can host a multiplayer-ready version. >_>
23:11.35Dustinya
23:11.43ReactorexI use a mac and a windows, the mac works just fine, but I have to use windows for the ditor.
23:11.45DustinWell if I host and be both patch i can see the right map
23:11.47DustinBut he cant
23:11.55Dustinthen if he hosts and we both patch, he sees the right map and I dont
23:11.59DustinDoesnt make any sense
23:12.09ReactorexWe both played my map together once.
23:12.09Dustinworks fine for both of us alone
23:12.12ReactorexNow we just crash.
23:12.13IgnoranceHow does this patch work?
23:12.16DustinI've done it before with people
23:12.23IgnoranceDoes it let you play any multiplayer map or just one?
23:12.24DustinIt just replaces your Lost Temple Cache map
23:12.51Alpha_vstlook what i see http://i40.tinypic.com/2dw3up.jpg
23:12.54RepoNew map: http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/water-wheel/. Water Wheel. RileyStarcraft (Manager/Author). Approved by xhatix.
23:12.55IgnoranceI'm surprised you can't just add another map...
23:13.16DustinIts all based on Cache files checked by their hash and downlaoded from the b.net server
23:13.32DustinSo you can only create maps that are blizzard uploaded atm
23:13.32JcupMURDER
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23:14.08ubdeadhold on
23:14.14ubdeadcustom maps dont work anymore?
23:14.54rrowlandSounds like it might be mac-windows compatibility issues
23:14.58rrowlandWhich makes no sense
23:14.59rrowlandBut what does
23:15.00DustinThey work
23:15.05ubdeadah thanks god
23:15.06DustinJust not all the time :(
23:15.21DustinFinnally
23:15.22rrowlandNever had any problems testing windows-windows
23:15.24DustinIT WORKED
23:15.29DustinAfter 40 minutes
23:15.45rrowlandIf any of my friends buy a mac they become ex-friends so it's a problem I don't have to deal with :)
23:16.13HeliosDoubleSix...
23:16.22RevesDoes event trigger Unit is attacked work triggen when a unit gains a behavior?
23:16.29HeliosDoubleSixwhos dissing macs again >_<
23:17.15RevesAnyone?
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23:18.20PoChow easy would it be to give a door doodad the same ability that the supply deploy has, or something like burrow?
23:19.27rrowlandWith an animation and everything? In pure data or with triggers as well?
23:19.54JcupReves it seems like u would have to detect the ability giving the behavior to the unit to get that unit with the new behavior
23:20.36ReactorexHey, is there an sc2 equivalent of wc3's tint?
23:20.51Alpha_vstyeah
23:20.55Jcupyeah through actor events
23:21.00Alpha_vstreactorex you have to send an actor message
23:21.09Alpha_vstevery other way is broken
23:21.10Durrean1hmm my wc3 seems broke
23:21.12Durrean1*sc2
23:21.13Durrean1ahh
23:21.17LiliannaYou can do it with doodads if you doubleclick it. :x
23:21.26Alpha_vstbut not units :P
23:21.34PoCI was thinking maybe the door just lowering or moving directionally on it's axis enough to open the hallway, with maybe the burrow animation's dust
23:21.36LiliannaWorld of Doodads!
23:21.38Liliannanew game, its pro
23:21.40ReactorexAny specifics to the actor message?
23:21.51Alpha_vstmake it
23:22.05Alpha_vstum color it :P
23:22.19rrowlandYou could do it somewhat easily with triggers
23:22.25JcupTint and Tintlocal or w.e
23:22.27rrowlandProbably difficult with data
23:22.29JcupIts in the list of messages
23:22.33PoCwhere is the best place to read and learn more than just basic map making?  youtube galaxy editor trigger tutorials is where I'm starting,but I'd like some documentation or something
23:22.49PoCrrowland, are you referring to the door?
23:22.53rrowlandYes
23:22.59PoCcool
23:23.30PoCsee, at this point I'm watching galaxy editor basic triggers 2
23:23.31IgnoranceCan Starcraft 2 be played with an xbox 360 controller?
23:23.38PoCso I do'nt know much about triggers
23:23.55rrowlandThey are pretty self-explanatory
23:24.37Xanlol xbox controller
23:24.40GrumIgnorance: yes if you want to loose
23:24.42Xanwhy would anyone want to do that?
23:24.43Xan:p
23:24.46HeliosDoubleSix-__
23:24.49HeliosDoubleSix-_-
23:25.05PoCtthey do seem very user friendly, I'm assuming it won't take me long to get the lurning curve
23:25.26PoCit's jsut until I do, I just got beta so everything seems lost to me, because Id idn't use wc3 editor
23:25.44HeliosDoubleSixproblem with triggers is tehre are so many and you may be using the wrong ones or doing things long winded way till you know all of them
23:25.47Xanyou basically just need to know very basic programming
23:26.03rrowlandYeah, you need to know basic logic
23:26.06Xandepending on what you want to do
23:26.08rrowlandWhich is... basic
23:26.08PoCbasic programming and programming logic I do know
23:26.18Alpha_vstyou should pick it up fast then
23:26.21ReactorexIgnorance, that's an awesome idea.
23:26.22HeliosDoubleSixas a lot of the triggers are just nicely wrapped functions that glue a bunch of simple stuff together to do a set task
23:26.31PoCI done advanced scripting for wow bots that done quests and acted as if human, etc
23:26.35ReactorexI can see it now, sounds fun.
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23:26.55NeoDeathXpMy map is fucked
23:26.59PoCbut that was back in the day
23:27.07Alpha_vsthow so neo?
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23:27.17PoCit was cool, I could make a gnome rogue, click start and he would quest his way to level 10 in like san hour
23:27.26NeoDeathXpnothing come up when the map initalizes
23:27.27ReactorexAlpha_vst, if you're always in here, how do you have time to make your own maps and play matches against other people? xP
23:27.32PoCdragging skills to the skill bar, traininng, and all
23:27.42NeoDeathXpso fucked
23:27.54Alpha_vstI dont play on bnet :D and if im in here im working on my map :D
23:28.10NeoDeathXpim so fucked
23:28.21NeoDeathXpi cannot beleave this
23:28.34NeoDeathXpthe triggers are bugged
23:28.40ReactorexAlpha, you said you beat five people on bnet a while ago. xP
23:28.56Xan1v5?
23:29.03Reactorex1v1 x 5
23:29.32Reactorex1v5 would be brutal.
23:29.33ReactorexDo want.
23:29.36Alpha_vstyeah i played my placement matchs kik
23:29.37Alpha_vstlol
23:30.07ReactorexI've never won a regular game except against the very easy computers.
23:30.13ReactorexI've never lost to the very easy computers, either.
23:30.13Alpha_vst0.o
23:30.22Alpha_vstthat's good
23:30.23Xanme neither
23:30.32NeoDeathXpim so fucked
23:30.33Alpha_vsti tired to lose to it 0.o
23:30.35Hati|NotHerehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=luVODZZ6pk4 japanese win7 advert o.O
23:30.35Skizotyou can beat the AI with a PROBE RUSH
23:30.37NeoDeathXpi cannot beleave this
23:30.44ReactorexThat's actually not hard, Skizot.
23:30.45ReactorexxD
23:30.46Alpha_vstneo :(
23:30.48ReactorexAgainst players, yes.
23:30.51ReactorexAI, no. xD
23:30.54PoCI lose a lot ;)
23:31.02NeoDeathXpi lost like a months worth of wrk
23:31.03Xanqueen rush
23:31.14Alpha_vstim sur eyou can fix it
23:31.20ReactorexI like doing 1v3 with my handicap at 50% against computers.
23:31.29ReactorexIt's still damn easy, but yeah.
23:31.31ReactorexIt's fun. xD
23:31.38ubdeadreactor turn on autosave
23:31.41ubdead:)
23:31.45ReactorexOn my map?
23:32.08NeoDeathXpi cannot even fathom what i did wrong
23:32.39Alpha_vstturn everything off then turn everything back on slowly :D
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23:33.11heysparkyif there's even a signle unit on my map, set playable bounds causes a hang
23:33.15Alpha_vstwhy is youtube so slow
23:33.17heysparkycan someone try to dupe that
23:33.23heysparkymaybe help me figure out a workaround
23:33.35Alpha_vstsetting playable bounds?
23:33.40heysparkyyup
23:33.50heysparkyI've tried it everywhich way
23:33.58heysparkythe only way it works without hangs is if there are no units
23:34.43heysparkywhich is, uh... how do you say... sub-optimal
23:34.44Alpha_vstdidnt know you could do that :D
23:35.06heysparkyyeah, it'd be awesome if it worked
23:35.24Alpha_vsti dont see why you need to do such things but ok :D
23:35.27heysparkyI want to use it to make levels of a space station
23:35.44heysparkynavigating between them using Fkeys
23:35.53NeoDeathXpits my fucking arrays
23:35.58NeoDeathXpgod damnit
23:36.02heysparkyif you can't get between them quickly it'll be too big a pita to be worth doing
23:36.09heysparky(from a gameplay standpoint)
23:36.18NeoDeathXp<PROTECTED>
23:36.21NeoDeathXpthis breaks it
23:36.34Alpha_vstsee you found it :D
23:36.38Alpha_vstgood job
23:36.49NeoDeathXpyeah but i need that array
23:36.52NeoDeathXpwtf
23:36.58Alpha_vstfix it?
23:37.17NeoDeathXphow?
23:37.25Alpha_vstidono
23:37.51ubdeadgahhhhh why does my launch animation only like plays half the time
23:37.57NeoDeathXpi canno beleave this
23:38.25Arthas-2is us bnet up?
23:38.32PoCso how do I do the campaign style you start the game with like one unit rather than a base
23:38.35Xannot 30 mins ago at least
23:38.37PoCI know I delete the melee folder
23:38.46Arthas-2wtf are they doing :p
23:39.03Arthas-2surprise wipe?
23:39.16Alpha_vstfucking video needs to finish processes
23:39.33Alpha_vsti cant types :p
23:39.58ubdeadcan anybody think of a smoke explosion?
23:40.08ubdead(exept for the reaper jump smoke)
23:40.22Alpha_vstsearch for smoke :D
23:40.42ubdeadmmmn maybe launch would be a better term
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23:41.20Alpha_vstsearch for launch?
23:41.44Alpha_vst:D
23:41.50PoCI wanna get a team together for some projects, but not without learning the editor more and having more exp with it.
23:42.43PoCI normally laugh at people who try to put a team together, in reality, trying to get a bunch of people to do stuff for them so they don't have to learn
23:42.43Alpha_vstgood idea :P
23:42.56Alpha_vstyeah
23:43.10Alpha_vstyou best hope is to actually put something short together :P
23:43.17PoCnow once I get a prototype...
23:43.20PoCthat's a different story
23:43.36Alpha_vstyes indeed
23:44.20Alpha_vsthow fucking long does it take to process a 5 min video fuck
23:44.20heysparkydid set playable work in WC3?
23:44.20PoCI wanna do something that's basically gonna be multiplayer co-op campaign missions, each player controlling one unit, getting different gear and weapons
23:44.36PoCI assume that is easily done with the sc2 engine
23:44.52heysparkywhoops, 'set playable bounds'
23:44.53Alpha_vstnothing is easy :D
23:45.05PoCwell, not easy
23:45.09PoCbut possible
23:45.16PoCeasily possible
23:45.18PoCheh
23:45.21Xanit is possible :)
23:45.24Alpha_vstjust possible
23:45.29Alpha_vstnot easy :P
23:46.06PoCso what are the assets at sc2mapster, I downloaded the hero save load thing to load heroes from map to map in a bank file, are those just sets of triggers?
23:46.19Alpha_vstpretty much
23:46.26PoCeasier than udk imo
23:46.27Alpha_vsti would worry about that later though
23:46.38Alpha_vstudk?
23:46.45PoCunreal developer kit
23:47.24Alpha_vsti made maps on he first unreal level editor :P that was a bitch :P
23:47.37Xandepends what you mean by easy
23:47.47PoCI made maps in duke3d
23:47.53Xanthe editors are for different things
23:48.00PoCthat's the latest engine I mapped for
23:48.07Xanmaking RTS elements is easy in galaxy in comparison
23:48.22PoCwell, I done a map and some models for unreal 2k4 with the vidoe tutorials that came with LE
23:49.26*** join/#sc2mapster Azu (~4@78-70-210-140-no156.tbcn.telia.com)
23:49.44Azufixed a bug that causes sc2 to crash upon exit my ass
23:49.49devileskrts elements are easier to make in galaxy?
23:49.50Azuit only froze my computer
23:50.01PoCI wonder if galaxy would be possible to run enourmous persistent maps where your units are AI while offline, with matches lasting like a month each and players can ally and gain territory, etc
23:50.29Xangames lasting a month?
23:50.32PoCI still have the exit bug too, lol
23:50.32Xanlol
23:50.53Alpha_vstnot possible poc
23:50.59Xanplayers cant join games in progress
23:50.59PoCI dunno, I've always thought an mmorts would be interesting, but it couldn't be like wow, it would have to have rounds
23:51.08*** join/#sc2mapster Hungrygreekeh (~18cf0de1@gateway/web/freenode/x-gdboeszrqlqkqsqr)
23:51.19Xanbut they can save the game I guess
23:51.21Xanand continue later
23:51.21Xan:P
23:51.26Alpha_vstyeah
23:51.34Alpha_vstyou could fake it
23:51.36Azuand gah
23:51.42Hungrygreekehsup guys
23:51.43Dustin~seen ignorance
23:51.44purlignorance <~daviddavi@dhcp-v000-085.mobile.uci.edu> was last seen on IRC in channel #sc2mapster, 28m 12s ago, saying: 'Can Starcraft 2 be played with an xbox 360 controller?'.
23:51.46Azustill cant make it past level 15 on zig zag td ;<
23:51.52Alpha_vst<PROTECTED>
23:52.02Azudamn disruptors
23:52.13HungrygreekehHas anyone tried out the cinematic editor at all?
23:52.46PoCI've seen some very neat maps at sc2mapster, but almost too complex to break down the code
23:53.04Xanyou can do everything in triggers rather than the cinematic editor (which is rather unnecessary imo)
23:53.14Alpha_vstwhat would be a better building or such to use other than a nydus for a unit spawn location?
23:53.20HungrygreekehYeah, but im trying to make a machinima
23:53.21XanPoC try my map
23:53.22Xan:p
23:53.25Azuany localization on shadowtd yet? :o
23:53.29Hungrygreekehand it is so much easier with the cinematics
23:53.34Xanits a campaign map - not too complicated
23:53.35PoCwhat's your map?
23:53.47Xanhttp://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/starcraft-prologue-remake/
23:54.12PoCtrying it now
23:54.33XanHungrygreekeh, you can use the trigger editor to make the cinematics for the machinima
23:54.34Azuoh
23:54.37Azufirebats!
23:54.37Xandont need the cinematic editor
23:54.43Xanye :D
23:54.54AzuPoC take a screen for me will you? :p
23:55.02Xanlooks pretty good actually, imo :)
23:55.07Azu:d
23:55.14Alpha_vstthey have a cinematic editor? what
23:55.22PoCI got my settings on low...
23:55.27Alpha_vstsame
23:55.41Hungrygreekehreally? but the cameras are what i want lol
23:55.41Azusc2 settings on low?!
23:55.50Alpha_vstyes LOW
23:55.50XanHungrygreekeh, just use the camera triggers
23:55.53PoCI'm afraid
23:55.53Xanactions*
23:55.53AzuLOW???!
23:55.54PoClol
23:55.59Hungrygreekehhaha, wow, good call
23:56.00Alpha_vstVERY LOW!!!!!!!!!!
23:56.05Azu!!!!!!!!!!!!!
23:56.07PoCbut I love the fact that low on sc2 is like warcraft 3
23:56.15Alpha_vstlol
23:56.17PoCleave it to blizzard to make sure anyone can play
23:56.20Hungrygreekehhow would i get rid of the ui though?
23:56.25Alpha_vstmy computer cant run it well on high :P
23:56.28Azui love the fact that sc2 on ultra looks awesome
23:56.33XanUI - Hide
23:56.34Xan:p
23:56.38Hungrygreekehhaha
23:56.41Hungrygreekehgood call
23:57.19Alpha_vstthis map has been processing for um almost 40 min wtf
23:57.27Hungrygreekehwhat would that be under Xan?
23:57.28Azulols
23:57.33Alpha_vsterr movie
23:57.40Xanunder UI
23:57.43XanI've got a couple of cinematics on my map, you cound try copying those triggers Hungrygreekeh
23:57.43Azufigured (y)
23:58.03Hungrygreekehaight, which one?
23:58.15Xanhttp://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/starcraft-prologue-remake/
23:58.17Alpha_vstoh hungrygreekeh you so silly
23:58.21Hungrygreekehlol
23:59.04SkizotMOTHER OF DOG
23:59.21Skizotvjuex is no longer allowed to post my model on the front page.
23:59.35Azu:o
23:59.36HungrygreekehI've just been studying the cinematics basically, are there any actions that could cause a scene to wait? Like something the same way the cinematic editor has a wait time for a certain period
23:59.54Alpha_vstwhy skizot?
23:59.57Xanthere is a Wait action... there is a searchbox, use it :P

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