IRC log for #sc2mapster on 20100504

`00:00.20`	`TheDudeAbides`	`yeah basically determines which terrain cells are used by the object`
`00:00.25`	`Bemoliph`	`Correct`
`00:00.32`	`TheDudeAbides`	`but thats all i know, how to make that editor work is beyond me right nwo`
`00:00.34`	`sixen-debug`	`Tda, its vprobably taken then.`
`00:00.34`	`Bemoliph`	`But you can modify exactly how those terrain cells are used`
`00:00.36`	`sixen-debug`	`:P`
`00:00.45`	`TheDudeAbides`	`ive tried 6 names so far`
`00:00.48`	`Bemoliph`	`You can even make partial use of each cell, based on triangles`
`00:00.53`	`TheDudeAbides`	`how many users are on mapster?`
`00:00.57`	`sixen-debug`	`It uses the curse.com db`
`00:00.58`	`SevenSeven`	`What does contoured mean?`
`00:01.02`	`TheDudeAbides`	`ahh`
`00:01.06`	`Bemoliph`	`Probably non-square pathing`
`00:01.08`	`TheDudeAbides`	`ok, curse is huge, explains it`
`00:01.11`	`SevenSeven`	`hm.`
`00:01.17`	`sixen-debug`	`so if you have a curse account, you can login with hat.`
`00:01.20`	`SevenSeven`	`creep source...?`
`00:01.23`	`TheDudeAbides`	`i dont :/`
`00:01.36`	`Bemoliph`	`If the pathing for the footprint was exactly the same as the placement associated with it, every building would force units to move around it like it was a giant square`
`00:01.53`	`heysparky`	`Hmmm... so I got my spinecrawler to haave an ability appear on the command card, but after I unburrowed and burrowed, it went away`
`00:01.59`	`TheDudeAbides`	`ah finally`
`00:02.01`	`TheDudeAbides`	`found one`
`00:02.02`	`Bemoliph`	`So contoured footprints have a customized pathing layer that is more true to the model (i.e., Command Center footprint is rounder than a square)`
`00:02.05`	`TheDudeAbides`	`Sc2Dude woots`
`00:02.24`	`Bemoliph`	`Creep Source I believe is related to the fact that it probably has the Creep flag set`
`00:02.25`	`TheDudeAbides`	`i tried TheDude, TheDudeAbides, Duder, Dudeness, TheDuder, TheDudeness, etc`
`00:02.29`	`TheDudeAbides`	`all taken :/`
`00:03.22`	`Vailreth`	`now lets just hope the owner of SC2dudes website doesnt try an djoin`
`00:03.45`	`TheDudeAbides`	`well he can take sc2dudes, i took sc2dude`
`00:03.52`	`heysparky`	`hmmm... so does the burrowed/unburrowed spine crawler create a new unit for each transition?`
`00:04.04`	`Bemoliph`	`So here is an example of a footprint that applies creep`
`00:04.09`	`TheDudeAbides`	`it morphs between the two sparky`
`00:04.09`	`Bemoliph`	`http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/6574/screenshot2010050320025.png`
`00:04.31`	`TheDudeAbides`	`almost everything in game that has multiple states use one unit/actor/model per state and uses morphs`
`00:04.35`	`Bemoliph`	`It's kinda boxy for whatever reason they chose, but you can make it better with a higher resolution modification (Those grid buttons in the bottom left)`
`00:04.41`	`heysparky`	`ah... so if I didn't make a burrowed copy of a special spine crawler, it would revert to the regular spine crawler`
`00:04.46`	`Bemoliph`	`(Even though they don't show in this picture for some reason)`
`00:05.00`	`heysparky`	`morphing to the 'wrong' thing`
`00:05.05`	`Bemoliph`	`Oh, it's because it's only for pathing`
`00:05.12`	`TheDudeAbides`	`sparky: yeah`
`00:05.16`	`heysparky`	`coolk`
`00:08.31`	`BarakatX2`	`i think they made it blocky on purpose to keep a starcraft 1 feel`
`00:08.37`	`BarakatX2`	`also for performance`
`00:09.38`	`*** join/#sc2mapster Legick (~legick5@cpe-173-89-185-9.neo.res.rr.com)`
`00:11.08`	`Sapph`	`heysparky, even just like`
`00:11.09`	`Sapph`	`zerglings`
`00:11.16`	`Sapph`	`have different units for burrowed/unburrowed`
`00:12.01`	`Sapph`	`I haven't checked but I am positive siege tanks, phase prisms work the same way... I know supply depots do`
`00:12.21`	`Bemoliph`	`BarakatX2: I think it's because it doesn't support assigning flags to partial cells`
`00:12.30`	`Bemoliph`	`Whereas the pathing layer can be a bit more modular`
`00:12.43`	`BarakatX2`	`hmm`
`00:12.53`	`Bemoliph`	`Maybe flexible is a better descriptor, but oh well`
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`00:13.22`	`heysparky`	`ugh.... my spine crawler has two tentacles`
`00:13.58`	`Sapph`	`more tentacles is always better`
`00:14.17`	`heysparky`	`lol`
`00:14.42`	`Legick`	`unless they kill you if you have tentacles`
`00:15.14`	`heysparky`	`Zerg are 'pro tentacle' I believe`
`00:15.18`	`Sapph`	`rule 34 kerrigan + spine crawlers? :\|`
`00:15.54`	`Legick`	`where can i see all the actors associated to a specific unit? i seem to be missing some`
`00:16.41`	`heysparky`	`when you select the unit, in the pane below the selection tree there is a tree listing all the associated data entities`
`00:16.53`	`heysparky`	`one of the folders is 'actors'`
`00:17.01`	`Bemoliph`	`You have View > Show Object Explorer on, right?`
`00:17.13`	`Legick`	`well to be more specific`
`00:17.28`	`Legick`	`my problem lies in sound, for some reason my building stopeed playing sounds when it is placed`
`00:18.14`	`heysparky`	`I don't know how to troubleshoot that really, but did you dupe or link the orignal's sounds?`
`00:18.27`	`Legick`	`duped`
`00:19.33`	`heysparky`	`welp, you've plumbed the depths of my insight`
`00:19.38`	`heysparky`	`:)`
`00:19.51`	`Sirenfal`	`Seriously, what's the action to get a player's name? I can't find it anywhere. I know this editor would have it, but I just can't find it`
`00:19.53`	`Sirenfal`	`>:(`
`00:20.08`	`Legick`	`heh, i think it's just a confused actor somewhere, but i don't know where to like change or replace a specific actor for a unit`
`00:20.40`	`Sirenfal`	`Like, if I try to output a message there's Player-> Name of Player, but trying to set it to a variable or use it in a comparison it isn't there`
`00:21.49`	`Legick`	`might you be able to set it to an integer, as in player 1 or 2?`
`00:22.37`	`Sirenfal`	`Like, if I wanted to do: if playername of player1 == "Sirenfal", "Name of Player" isn't available`
`00:22.45`	`Sirenfal`	`Or if I try to set a string variable to a player name it isn't there`
`00:22.54`	`Sirenfal`	`That implies it's not a string, but that makes no sense`
`00:23.16`	`Tysheth`	`text and string are two different variable types`
`00:23.25`	`Tysheth`	`which I don't understand, but that might be your problem`
`00:23.32`	`pom_pom`	`i think text is "formatted"`
`00:24.38`	`Sirenfal`	`Well, how can I convert one to the other?`
`00:24.58`	`Tysheth`	`custom script would work`
`00:25.14`	`Sirenfal`	`Don't know the function to use in Galaxy script`
`00:25.22`	`Sirenfal`	`Is there an API list somewhere?`
`00:25.25`	`Tysheth`	`http://paste.sc2mapster.com/1979/`
`00:25.32`	`Tysheth`	`most natives there`
`00:25.38`	`*** join/#sc2mapster TheDudeAbides (~Jeremie@modemcable116.207-37-24.mc.videotron.ca)`
`00:25.38`	`Tysheth`	`http://paste.sc2mapster.com/1985/`
`00:25.42`	`Tysheth`	`all natives there, but not notated`
`00:28.36`	`Tysheth`	`I'm gonna go touch people`
`00:28.40`	`Tysheth`	`see ya later, #sc2mapster`
`00:32.47`	`Kylegar`	`woop`
`00:32.58`	`Kylegar`	`I cut a 10k line file down to 900 lines`
`00:36.52`	`pirate`	`how do i attach an actor (such as a hunter seeker missile explosion duplicate) to damage effect (effect)?`
`00:37.14`	`TheDudeAbides`	`you cant`
`00:37.21`	`TheDudeAbides`	`you must make a missile unit`
`00:37.25`	`TheDudeAbides`	`and attach your actor to that`
`00:37.39`	`pirate`	`alright, i have a missile unit`
`00:38.06`	`pirate`	`i want a grenade-like affect, so that itll explode a few seconds after landing`
`00:38.06`	`TheDudeAbides`	`as for the effect itself, im not sure, im still learning abilities/effects/behaviors`
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`00:39.26`	`TheDudeAbides`	`you should be able to attach effects to units, or at least give the unit an ability that links to the effect`
`00:39.37`	`Vailreth`	`gah you can test for everything in requirements expect for the level of a behavior`
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`00:41.51`	`Vailreth`	`i just learned you can set a requirement to how many of a unit you have ....or how many of a specific unit you have killed`
`00:43.20`	`Zachet`	`Anyone know an easy way to copy a data object (Ex. Weapon) to another map including the links...`
`00:43.32`	`Vailreth`	`nope sorry`
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`00:43.56`	`Zachet`	`I fail at teh data shoots self`
`00:44.26`	`Vailreth`	`they need a copy all links option but eh`
`00:48.23`	Griffith`	`I have a targetted ability, how do I get the trigger editor to return the targetted unit`
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`00:49.02`	`Ardnived`	`http://forums.sc2mapster.com/development/map-development/1168-halos/`
`00:49.09`	`Elyk`	`has anyone got a working leaderboard? None of my actions on a leaderboard are working except changing the name`
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`00:51.09`	`Alpha_vst`	`tutorial some place`
`00:52.35`	`Elyk`	`I create my leaderboard, then I change the name, then I try adding some text. Name changes, but no text is displayed`
`00:52.54`	`Alpha_vst`	`save the leader baord to a global variable`
`00:53.01`	`Elyk`	`I did`
`00:53.04`	`Alpha_vst`	`and call it from there`
`00:53.04`	`Elyk`	`and I'm calling that variable`
`00:53.06`	`Alpha_vst`	`hmmm`
`00:53.09`	`Alpha_vst`	`lol`
`00:53.12`	`Elyk`	`I'll paste it if it fits`
`00:53.40`	`Alpha_vst`	`i have nto watched it but http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLwj5GVvdLI`
`00:53.43`	`Elyk`	`<PROTECTED>`
`00:53.44`	`heysparky`	`guh the data editor doesn't make any sense`
`00:54.29`	`Elyk`	`I set some other text after that... but it doesn't show anything`
`00:54.36`	`Elyk`	`just the name`
`00:54.48`	`Alpha_vst`	`are you showing the leaderboard?`
`00:54.49`	`Elyk`	`I have a timer too... maybe its a bug?`
`00:55.17`	`Repo`	`New knowledge base page: http://www.sc2mapster.com/api-docs/test_page/ by sixen`
`00:55.23`	`Alpha_vst`	`i don't think so lol`
`00:55.41`	`Repo`	`Knowledge base page update: http://www.sc2mapster.com/api-docs/test-page/ by sixen`
`00:55.52`	`pom_pom`	`Elyk I did a detailed leaderboard here: http://forums.battle.net/thread.html?topicId=24570036995&sid=5000`
`00:56.24`	`Alpha_vst`	`i was just looking for that :D`
`00:56.53`	`Elyk`	`pom_pom maybe the trick is I need headers...`
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`00:57.45`	`Shinzon`	`Ello`
`00:57.55`	`Alpha_vst`	`almost have sc5 instaleld so i can make lavas out of creep`
`00:58.28`	`Alpha_vst`	`i should make a mini video of my map once i get ai in it`
`01:00.03`	`Shinzon`	`I'm guessing things have been slowly picking up here? :p`
`01:00.27`	`Alpha_vst`	`bnet boards never help me :(`
`01:00.46`	`Shinzon`	`They aren't even usefull for watching replays nevermind if you want to learn anything for mapping >.<`
`01:01.10`	`Alpha_vst`	`all my questions are to advanced for everyone`
`01:01.30`	`Alpha_vst`	`that and i can be confusing as hell`
`01:01.43`	`Alpha_vst`	`i confuse myself`
`01:01.57`	`Shinzon`	`:\`
`01:02.37`	`Alpha_vst`	`be back cause stupid install needs me to close FF`
`01:04.55`	`heysparky`	`If I duped an actor and a link would suffice - how do I make that so?`
`01:05.27`	`*** join/#sc2mapster Alpha_vst (~Alpha_vst@c-24-5-9-172.hsd1.ca.comcast.net)`
`01:07.05`	`Zachet`	`I have an ability shoot a missile infront of me... but my height changes and the missile height doesn't...`
`01:07.07`	`Zachet`	`any ideas?`
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`01:11.59`	`Skizot_`	`other than a HUGE ASS BLOCK OF CODE... my contest entry is done.`
`01:12.01`	`Skizot_`	`:D`
`01:13.10`	`Reactorex`	`I didn't join the contest. :P`
`01:14.10`	`pirate`	`is there a way to add a custom death animation?`
`01:14.18`	`Alpha_vst`	`<PROTECTED>`
`01:14.29`	`pirate`	`like if i want to make a nuke explosion play when a marine dies`
`01:14.52`	`pirate`	`how so?`
`01:15.00`	`Alpha_vst`	`idono its onlyt a guess`
`01:15.11`	`Alpha_vst`	`its how i made my terrain deformation`
`01:15.18`	`Elyk`	`Yea, I might just give up on leaderboards... they are just really broken.`
`01:15.27`	`Alpha_vst`	`make a new map`
`01:15.36`	`Alpha_vst`	`and follwo a tutorial or such`
`01:15.38`	`Reactorex`	`Them and dialogs, Elyk.`
`01:15.38`	`Skizot_`	`MY CODE IS THE HARDEST CLOCK POSSIBLE.`
`01:15.41`	`Zachet`	`So there's no data pro's on? :(`
`01:15.49`	`Alpha_vst`	`you might have something conflicting`
`01:15.51`	`Reactorex`	`Skizot, did I hear hard?`
`01:15.57`	`Elyk`	`my dialogs actually work though`
`01:16.02`	`Elyk`	`well, I only have 1`
`01:16.08`	`Reactorex`	`I now have the mental vision of a clock with a hard-on....`
`01:16.16`	`Reactorex`	`This is disturbing.`
`01:16.20`	`Alpha_vst`	`lol`
`01:16.22`	`Alpha_vst`	`thanks`
`01:16.27`	`Elyk`	`but it works, and this leaderboard I just want it to display some text and I can't do it! it doesn't like text at all`
`01:16.36`	`Reactorex`	`Edit box?`
`01:16.46`	`Alpha_vst`	`do you need an actual leaderboard?`
`01:16.50`	`Alpha_vst`	`why not just a dialog?`
`01:17.05`	`Elyk`	`leaderboard looks pretty...`
`01:17.09`	`Elyk`	`and you can minimize it`
`01:17.26`	`Reactorex`	`It takes a bit more work, but you can make a dialog do all that.`
`01:17.27`	`Alpha_vst`	`dialogs are fully custom like`
`01:17.44`	`Elyk`	`yea, I'll just have to use a dialog then`
`01:18.01`	`Reactorex`	`But darn edit boxes...`
`01:18.02`	`Reactorex`	`><`
`01:18.17`	`Reactorex`	`I wanted to use a search box to search through some documentation I had on my map in a dialog.`
`01:18.32`	`Reactorex`	`It wound up affecting my screen button instead.`
`01:18.33`	`Repo`	`New map: http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/big-blue/. Big Blue. TheKaymon (Manager/Author). Experimental. Approved by sanktanglia.`
`01:18.38`	`Repo`	`New map: http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/europe-4v4-ffa/. Europe 4v4 / FFA. tsabszy (Manager/Author). Approved by sanktanglia.`
`01:18.43`	`Repo`	`New map: http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/tug-war-v-1-0/. Tug of War V 1.0 A. gizmachu (Manager/Author). Approved by sanktanglia.`
`01:18.54`	`Alpha_vst`	`i was going to do tug o war :(`
`01:19.19`	`Alpha_vst`	`oh well Oh no lava! RUN!!! is becoming awesome`
`01:19.21`	`Reactorex`	`I's working on a beeeeeeeeeg map/.`
`01:19.36`	`Alpha_vst`	`the name alone is awesome`
`01:19.51`	`heysparky`	`why the devil does this copied spine crawler have two tentacles?`
`01:19.55`	`Reactorex`	`You can't make lava 'bubble' at edges like it would if it was rolling down a volcano.... BUT...`
`01:19.59`	`Vailreth`	`Ack Hans Run>...>`
`01:20.08`	`Reactorex`	`You can terrain deform and make land behind you drop.`
`01:20.31`	`Reactorex`	`And, apparently, you can make water levels / lava levels rise.`
`01:20.37`	`Alpha_vst`	`lol its not actually a flowing lava run away from it thing`
`01:20.50`	`Alpha_vst`	`its more of a survival thing`
`01:20.53`	`Reactorex`	`Hmmmmmn?`
`01:21.00`	`Alpha_vst`	`lava rises and falls`
`01:21.02`	`Reactorex`	`Never seen it.`
`01:21.06`	`pom_pom`	`Reactorex: you mentioned awhile back you got a dialog edit box to work, I could use this feature but it seems bugged to me - do you have working code?`
`01:21.06`	`Reactorex`	`Oh.`
`01:21.08`	`Reactorex`	`I see.`
`01:21.21`	`Alpha_vst`	`and i have monsters explod and remove terrian`
`01:21.25`	`Alpha_vst`	`the map gets smaller`
`01:21.26`	`Reactorex`	`Pom_pom; I never got edit boxes working, only scroll thingies.`
`01:21.32`	`Alpha_vst`	`things chase you`
`01:21.38`	`Alpha_vst`	`its hard as hell`
`01:21.42`	`pom_pom`	`scroll thingies = slider bars?`
`01:21.46`	`Reactorex`	`YEs!`
`01:21.48`	`Reactorex`	`Those.`
`01:21.53`	`pom_pom`	`i'd like those too lol`
`01:21.58`	`pom_pom`	`also bugged from my perspective`
`01:22.06`	`Alpha_vst`	`lots of things are bugged :(`
`01:22.08`	`pom_pom`	`only 2 things of dialog box i haven't got working`
`01:22.09`	`Reactorex`	`I had one and replaced it with a list.`
`01:22.15`	`Reactorex`	`Why do you need a slider bar?`
`01:22.28`	`pom_pom`	`setting options at the beginning of the game # of spawns`
`01:22.38`	`Zachet`	`I have an ability shoot a missile infront of me... but my height changes and the missile height doesn't... my only idea so far is to make 20 different abilities all with different heights and use them based on height...`
`01:22.39`	`pom_pom`	`want to slide between 4 and 100`
`01:22.41`	`Zachet`	`any ideas?`
`01:22.46`	`Reactorex`	`Aha.`
`01:23.03`	`Reactorex`	`When I made a slider bar, it just looked like a list box with a slider going up and down on the right side. O.o`
`01:23.05`	`pom_pom`	`so yeah can you possibly wip together a little sample code, i swear sliders don't work`
`01:23.07`	`Alpha_vst`	`or you can store the untis height and change the missle height based on it`
`01:23.17`	`Zachet`	`Can you do that?`
`01:23.21`	`Alpha_vst`	`yes`
`01:23.28`	`Reactorex`	`Yeah, you can, Zachet.`
`01:23.30`	`Zachet`	`How do you get the missile as an object`
`01:23.47`	`Alpha_vst`	`that i have no idea`
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`01:24.00`	`Reactorex`	`One of the possible methods is use a dummy unit as the missle.`
`01:24.02`	`Reactorex`	`missile*`
`01:24.07`	`Zachet`	`I used to have that system`
`01:24.10`	`Zachet`	`I am trying to move away from it`
`01:24.13`	`Reactorex`	`And use the missile's actor for the unit.`
`01:24.46`	`Reactorex`	`I think I saw it once while I was browsing the trigger editor (which is all I've been doing lately), but I can't remember for certain for that missile height.`
`01:25.03`	`FrozenFirebat`	`Anybody up for helping balance test a map?`
`01:26.04`	`pom_pom`	`bbl gonna watch some hockey ;)`
`01:26.37`	`Alpha_vst`	`i use a lot of height storage in my map`
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`01:27.54`	`Zachet`	`Yeah, I have a side-scroller been working on`
`01:28.03`	`Alpha_vst`	`nice`
`01:28.03`	`AgentPaper`	`how would I, with triggers, set a unit's velocity to 0?`
`01:28.09`	`Zachet`	`Hasn't been an easy ruide`
`01:28.17`	`Alpha_vst`	`im sure you can offset the abilty`
`01:28.25`	`Alpha_vst`	`but thats a guess`
`01:28.25`	`AgentPaper`	`offset?`
`01:28.30`	`AgentPaper`	`you mean like move instantly?`
`01:28.40`	`Alpha_vst`	`yeah`
`01:28.42`	`AgentPaper`	`ack nm`
`01:28.51`	`Alpha_vst`	`oh not you sorry :P`
`01:28.52`	`AgentPaper`	`er, were you talking to me or him?`
`01:28.56`	`Zachet`	`hehe`
`01:28.56`	`AgentPaper`	`k`
`01:29.37`	`AgentPaper`	`anyways, I have a trigger that moves a unit when it tries to leave the region, but for some fliers that keep moving before they stop, it bugs it up a little`
`01:29.52`	`AgentPaper`	`so I want to set their current speed to 0, or something similar`
`01:29.53`	`Alpha_vst`	`you probably need to change out the actor on the unit?`
`01:30.09`	`AgentPaper`	`move instantly and ordering it to stop don't actually stop it moving right away`
`01:30.36`	`AgentPaper`	`and I'd really rather not change the actor`
`01:30.37`	`Alpha_vst`	`there will be a delay`
`01:30.47`	`AgentPaper`	`yes, normally, but I want there to not be one`
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`01:31.05`	`AgentPaper`	`there must be a way to just stop the unit cold with triggers`
`01:31.25`	`Skizot_`	`bwahahahahaha`
`01:31.30`	`Zachet`	`Try hold rather than stop`
`01:31.46`	`Alpha_vst`	`yeah`
`01:31.50`	`AgentPaper`	`hm, maybe reset movement speed will work`
`01:31.56`	`Zachet`	`I don't know your situation but it worked with my first attempt of a car game with instant movement`
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`01:32.16`	`Labmonkey1`	`hey`
`01:32.19`	`Skizot_`	`HTTP://www.livestream.com/skizot`
`01:32.32`	`Labmonkey1`	`has anyone made any progress on the whole thing with converting obj to m3?`
`01:32.39`	`Alpha_vst`	`you could try making a smaller region and if they get to far from it move them back?`
`01:32.39`	`Zachet`	`What if I want to be secure and use HTTPS?!?! WHAT NOW SKIZOT WHAT NOW?!`
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`01:33.21`	`dekaranger`	`So for somereason I have no idea where to put the sc2 custom maps, anyone wanna help? :)`
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`01:33.32`	`Zachet`	`Your clocks off`
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`01:33.34`	`Zachet`	`its 9:33`
`01:33.42`	`Zachet`	`:)`
`01:33.56`	`dekaranger`	`?`
`01:33.56`	`pkol`	`it doesn't matter dekaranger`
`01:34.03`	`pkol`	`you need to open and run with the map editor`
`01:34.05`	`pkol`	`can't ingame yet`
`01:34.12`	`dekaranger`	`awww :(`
`01:34.19`	`Starchild`	`Can anybody answer this question: I have a monster, all of its data I just dont have a visual representation of it right now. What do I need to attach to the unit to make it. . . There. Just an actor? Or other stuff ?`
`01:34.31`	`pkol`	`you can still play`
`01:34.52`	`pkol`	`attach and actor starchild`
`01:34.54`	`Alpha_vst`	`unit starchild you need a unit`
`01:34.55`	`pkol`	`an*`
`01:35.01`	`Alpha_vst`	`ops i got it backwards`
`01:35.09`	`Starchild`	`Just an actor, no models? Like death animations and the like?`
`01:35.17`	`pkol`	`you attach that in the actor`
`01:35.29`	`Starchild`	`Oh`
`01:35.50`	`Starchild`	`Okay so to do it I create an actor, and under data info I use the unit info?`
`01:35.55`	`Alpha_vst`	`how do you export textures lol`
`01:36.01`	`Starchild`	`like if monster is monster 1 I create actor with its name and under data I put monster1`
`01:36.22`	`pkol`	`did you create your monster from scratch?`
`01:36.29`	`Starchild`	`I cloned a zergling`
`01:36.32`	`pkol`	`yeah`
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`01:36.35`	`Starchild`	`except i didnt clone the actor`
`01:36.40`	`pkol`	`clone the zergling actor`
`01:36.44`	`pkol`	`easist way`
`01:36.47`	`Alpha_vst`	`yeah`
`01:36.48`	`Legick`	`oh that will probably fx my sound problem too`
`01:37.00`	`Starchild`	`ok and then just change the data to the new monster data then?`
`01:37.06`	`pkol`	`the token`
`01:37.08`	`pkol`	`yeah`
`01:37.10`	`Alpha_vst`	`if you renamed your zergling you have to set your actor to the name of your unit`
`01:37.14`	`Starchild`	`Okay cool.`
`01:37.27`	`Starchild`	`Thank you. I'll play with it from there.`
`01:37.29`	`pkol`	`the top field "token" is what links actors to units`
`01:37.31`	`pkol`	`:)`
`01:37.38`	`Starchild`	`token`
`01:37.38`	`Starchild`	`ok`
`01:37.59`	`Skizot_`	`my clock ROOOCCCCKKKK`
`01:39.10`	`Starchild`	`Any idea where in actors is the zergling actor?`
`01:39.42`	`pkol`	`use the search`
`01:39.45`	`Alpha_vst`	`you have a search option`
`01:39.49`	`Alpha_vst`	`it helps`
`01:39.55`	`Starchild`	`Guess I should have looked to the right :)~`
`01:40.02`	`Alpha_vst`	`i should make a clock`
`01:40.11`	`AgentPaper`	`bah, nope, that didn't do it`
`01:40.32`	`Alpha_vst`	`did you change the unitid?`
`01:42.02`	`AgentPaper`	`oh well, guess I'll just move the unit back further`
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`01:42.22`	`AgentPaper`	`anyone know if there's custom script to force a unit to stop cold?`
`01:42.34`	`AgentPaper`	`as opposed to the slow deceleration if you just order it to stop`
`01:42.45`	`Starchild`	`A strange question about actors: What happens if I have no death animation on the unit and it gets killed. Does it just disappear or does the game crash?`
`01:43.05`	`AgentPaper`	`I doubt the game crashes`
`01:43.09`	`Alpha_vst`	`goes away`
`01:43.14`	`Starchild`	`Does my computer implode?`
`01:43.16`	`Starchild`	`:)~`
`01:43.19`	`Alpha_vst`	`nope`
`01:43.26`	`AgentPaper`	`I think for WC3 at least the model would play it's stand animation instead`
`01:43.34`	`Alpha_vst`	`hey protip: press v for ingame view inside yoru editor`
`01:43.34`	`AgentPaper`	`so it'd just sit there for a bit and then go away eventually`
`01:43.43`	`Starchild`	`v`
`01:43.44`	`Starchild`	`nice`
`01:43.57`	`Zachet`	`goddamnit alpha_vst I thought I figured out a way but it failed`
`01:44.00`	`Starchild`	`that'll help I was wondering if I was going ot need a magnifying glass to see the different options`
`01:44.06`	`Zachet`	`<PROTECTED>`
`01:44.08`	`Zachet`	`doesn't work`
`01:44.09`	`AgentPaper`	`V doesn't do that`
`01:44.11`	`Zachet`	`height dosen't move`
`01:44.18`	`AgentPaper`	`ctrl-shift-c does though`
`01:44.49`	`Alpha_vst`	`yes it does`
`01:44.57`	`Alpha_vst`	`unless you changed options`
`01:45.26`	`Alpha_vst`	`strl shift c is camera`
`01:45.34`	`Alpha_vst`	`or osmething`
`01:45.49`	`Bemoliph`	`Reset Camera to normal game view, yes`
`01:45.49`	`Alpha_vst`	`place a bird doodad and press v`
`01:45.50`	`Zachet`	`Ctrl Shift C sets GE camera to default game position`
`01:45.52`	`Zachet`	`use it all the time`
`01:46.03`	`Alpha_vst`	`be impressed`
`01:46.28`	`Zachet`	`V turns my lights on and off`
`01:46.43`	`Starchild`	`v doesnt do anything for me ;)~`
`01:46.57`	`Alpha_vst`	`it does really`
`01:46.59`	`Starchild`	`nm it flushes my toilet`
`01:47.10`	`Starchild`	`Convienent`
`01:47.18`	`Alpha_vst`	`its not shown in the menu at all`
`01:47.26`	`Alpha_vst`	`but it works`
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`01:48.13`	`Alpha_vst`	`you wont notice it unless you have a doodad like birds that are normally an arrow up`
`01:48.19`	`Bemoliph`	`I see V as Lock Game View Settings under View`
`01:48.22`	`Bemoliph`	`In Terrain Mode`
`01:48.38`	`Bemoliph`	`But yeah, nice find`
`01:48.47`	`Alpha_vst`	`dang you i looked all over for it`
`01:49.02`	`Alpha_vst`	`i didnt find it`
`01:49.16`	`Alpha_vst`	`i was just sahring`
`01:49.18`	`Bemoliph`	`Nice to be able to see if you set up the rain properly`
`01:49.22`	`Bemoliph`	`Without having to load`
`01:49.25`	`Alpha_vst`	`yeah`
`01:49.47`	`Repo`	`Knowledge base page update: http://wiki.sc2mapster.com/starcraft-ii-galaxy-editor-unofficial-documentation/ by Sc2Dude`
`01:50.40`	`Alpha_vst`	`okay question: Should i put up a timer for my lava events? or have it come as a surprise with a random verbal announcement?`
`01:51.09`	`heysparky`	`Amazon just updated my SC2 arrival date as August 2`
`01:51.10`	`AgentPaper`	`surprise with verbal announcement shortly before`
`01:51.24`	`Alpha_vst`	`that is how i have it now :D`
`01:51.30`	`Reactorex`	`Any role players in here?`
`01:51.39`	`Reactorex`	`If not, I'm all alone. >_>`
`01:51.40`	`AgentPaper`	`o/`
`01:51.49`	`Alpha_vst`	`its set for 3 sec but that's almost death if you cant make it`
`01:51.54`	`heysparky`	`pen n paper`
`01:52.03`	`AgentPaper`	`yikes, 3 seconds to get out?`
`01:52.06`	`Reactorex`	`I've been working on an RP map for SC2 since I got the editor. :P`
`01:52.09`	`Alpha_vst`	`yeah`
`01:52.11`	`AgentPaper`	`heh`
`01:52.17`	`Repo`	`Knowledge base page update: http://wiki.sc2mapster.com/sc2api/starcraft-ii-galaxy-editor-unofficial-documentation/ by Sc2Dude`
`01:52.18`	`AgentPaper`	`I don't RP over custom games`
`01:52.21`	`AgentPaper`	`>.>`
`01:52.36`	`Alpha_vst`	`maybe i should make it longer :D`
`01:52.59`	`Alpha_vst`	`add a screen effect also like a little earth quake`
`01:53.09`	`Alpha_vst`	`how do i export textures?`
`01:53.12`	`FrozenFirebat`	`anybody know of any good examples of making a variable return the XY of the mouse cursor?`
`01:53.19`	`heysparky`	`that would be a really good indicator, actually, screen shake`
`01:53.20`	`Alpha_vst`	`cant do it`
`01:53.32`	`Bemoliph`	`You can only get where it clicks, from what I understand`
`01:53.58`	`Bemoliph`	`In which case, have it store it on click and go from there`
`01:54.04`	`Alpha_vst`	`anyone have a guide for custom textures?`
`01:55.20`	`Zachet`	`-_- Well... I am probley going to go ahead and make all 20 abilities all with a .2 difference in height until I find a better answer`
`01:55.52`	`Alpha_vst`	`lol`
`01:56.10`	`Alpha_vst`	`work a rounds suck :(`
`01:56.14`	`Zachet`	`yeah`
`01:56.15`	`Zachet`	`lmfao`
`01:56.31`	`Alpha_vst`	`i have to do it with my terrain deformation effect`
`01:56.42`	`Alpha_vst`	`but its turning out as a better idea so`
`01:56.45`	`Alpha_vst`	`im going with it`
`01:57.17`	`Skizot_`	`YEEEESSSSSSSS`
`01:57.25`	`Skizot_`	`my clock is done!`
`01:57.50`	`Zachet`	`So by the end of this week my character is going to have two weapons, and these weapons will be about 40-80 abilities`
`01:57.51`	`TheLaughingMan`	`Skizot_`
`01:57.53`	`Zachet`	`W00t`
`01:58.01`	`Skizot_`	`?`
`01:58.12`	`Zachet`	`Well night`
`01:58.16`	`TheLaughingMan`	`Get your trigger based opening inventory done?`
`01:58.24`	`Skizot_`	`not yet.`
`01:58.26`	`Skizot_`	`why?`
`01:58.31`	`Skizot_`	`you find something?`
`01:58.44`	`TheLaughingMan`	`no`
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`01:59.13`	`Bemoliph`	`Can you not just Show the interface element for it?`
`01:59.34`	`Bemoliph`	`I haven't done anything with interfaces yet, but that would be my initial guess`
`01:59.52`	`Skizot_`	`http://www.livestream.com/skizot`
`01:59.53`	`Bemoliph`	`Well, I technically hid it =P`
`01:59.56`	`TheLaughingMan`	`It's not an option`
`02:00.13`	`Bemoliph`	`Hmm`
`02:00.26`	`TheLaughingMan`	`You know something`
`02:00.30`	`Bemoliph`	`Maybe select the thing directly with some custom script?`
`02:00.36`	`TheLaughingMan`	`I tempted to get myself a livestream`
`02:01.36`	`TheLaughingMan`	`So people can watch me do a mind numbing icon making`
`02:01.54`	`Alpha_vst`	`lol`
`02:02.00`	`Alpha_vst`	`hows that going?`
`02:02.12`	`TheLaughingMan`	`I am on SC1 and Diablo 2`
`02:02.30`	`Alpha_vst`	`sweet`
`02:02.35`	`pkol`	`can anyone recommend a good c++ complier?`
`02:02.51`	`Alpha_vst`	`how can i export textures?`
`02:03.37`	`TheLaughingMan`	`not saying`
`02:03.58`	`Alpha_vst`	`0.o`
`02:04.09`	`Skizot_`	`wooooooo`
`02:04.14`	`Skizot_`	`nooone watching?`
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`02:04.25`	`Alpha_vst`	`i saw it and now i wont make a clock :(`
`02:04.43`	`Alpha_vst`	`I need this creep texture GAH`
`02:05.39`	`Alpha_vst`	`do i need to take it out of the mpq files? or can i do it from the editor?`
`02:05.54`	`TheLaughingMan`	`hmm`
`02:06.03`	`TheLaughingMan`	`i want a better streaming site then livestream`
`02:06.42`	`Alpha_vst`	`it is lame`
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`02:09.30`	`Reactorex`	`pkol: Visual C++ for Windows.`
`02:11.43`	Griffith`	`gcc is all you need`
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`02:12.34`	`thedude`	`hey guys, does any one know how to attach model to another model and saving it in the data editor as a new model?`
`02:12.45`	`thedude`	`using previewer`
`02:14.16`	`Alpha_vst`	`i don't think you can but dont quote me`
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`02:16.23`	`Starchild`	`I dont get it - Under the token field under actors. What exactly do I need to do? I created a token with the data info of the unit I want the actor to attach to and it does nothing`
`02:19.57`	`Alpha_vst`	`press the view raw data button and click on the unitname and change it`
`02:20.11`	`Alpha_vst`	`its the one of the very left`
`02:21.12`	`Alpha_vst`	`found a guide for custom textures about time QQ`
`02:24.06`	`Alpha_vst`	`about to make me some custom graphics woot`
`02:25.41`	`TheLaughingMan`	`Does anyone know how to make there own streaming website`
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`02:27.05`	`Shixax`	`bifuu u here?`
`02:27.20`	`DaveKap_`	`any sc2mapster admins here?`
`02:29.16`	Griffith`	`how exactly do you attach sound to an ability`
`02:29.50`	`Skizot_`	`shit.`
`02:29.52`	`ryd_`	`actors probably\`
`02:30.40`	`DaveKap_`	`any sc2.curse admins here? ;)`
`02:32.59`	`Alpha_vst`	`attaching things to things is way to confusing`
`02:33.13`	`Alpha_vst`	`i jsut want to be able to say attach to this unit but nope`
`02:34.25`	`AgentPaper`	`can you pass variables/numbers/etc into triggers that you run?`
`02:34.29`	`AgentPaper`	`or similar?`
`02:34.57`	`Alpha_vst`	`what do u mean?`
`02:35.21`	`Alpha_vst`	`you can run a trigger save the data to a variable and call that after its done running`
`02:36.34`	`AgentPaper`	`nm, turns out what I wanted was a custom function`
`02:36.44`	`AgentPaper`	`which I'm poking around with currently =P`
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`02:37.35`	`Alpha_vst`	`i dont understand those :P`
`02:38.38`	`AgentPaper`	`bah, they're pretty simple`
`02:38.51`	`AgentPaper`	`it's basically a trigger, except it doesn't have an event and you just run it from other places`
`02:38.55`	`AgentPaper`	`instead`
`02:38.56`	`Alpha_vst`	`soo im looking in the mpq files and seeing objects that are not in the editor but are showing`
`02:39.10`	`Alpha_vst`	`intresting`
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`02:39.13`	`AgentPaper`	`and you call it like any other action`
`02:39.39`	`AgentPaper`	`like, you can make a custom create unit action, that creates units with special parameters specific to your map`
`02:39.59`	`AgentPaper`	`for example, in my map created units need to have their max movement set`
`02:40.05`	`AgentPaper`	`(max per turn)`
`02:42.01`	`Repo`	`Knowledge base page update: http://www.sc2mapster.com/api-docs/galaxy-editor/edit-menu/undo-redo-cut-copy/ by onisagi`
`02:42.07`	`Skizot_`	`120 doodads... omfg`
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`02:43.02`	`Skizot_`	`7200 in an hour.`
`02:43.04`	`Repo`	`Knowledge base page update: http://www.sc2mapster.com/api-docs/galaxy-editor/edit-menu/undo-redo-cut-copy/ by onisagi`
`02:43.04`	`Skizot_`	`oh god.`
`02:44.01`	`AgentPaper`	`120 doodads?`
`02:44.04`	`Repo`	`Knowledge base page update: http://www.sc2mapster.com/api-docs/galaxy-editor/edit-menu/undo-redo-cut-copy/ by onisagi`
`02:44.05`	`AgentPaper`	`what about it?`
`02:44.26`	`Skizot_`	`i need to stop it from adding doodads every second :(`
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`02:46.11`	`Repo`	`Knowledge base page update: http://www.sc2mapster.com/api-docs/galaxy-editor/edit-menu/undo-redo-cut-copy/ by onisagi`
`02:46.23`	`Alpha_vst`	`OMG MY BANELINGS LOOK BAD ASS`
`02:47.07`	`Alpha_vst`	`skizot whats making doodads?`
`02:47.48`	`Repo`	`Knowledge base page update: http://www.sc2mapster.com/api-docs/galaxy-editor/edit-menu/undo-redo-cut-copy/ by onisagi`
`02:48.31`	`Repo`	`Knowledge base page update: http://www.sc2mapster.com/api-docs/galaxy-editor/edit-menu/undo-redo-cut-copy/ by onisagi`
`02:48.51`	`allenmelon`	`hi`
`02:49.44`	`Repo`	`Knowledge base page update: http://www.sc2mapster.com/api-docs/galaxy-editor/edit-menu/undo-redo-cut-copy/ by onisagi`
`02:50.16`	`Alpha_vst`	`howdy`
`02:52.18`	`Skizot_`	`YEEEAAAAAHHHHHSSSSSS`
`02:52.25`	`Skizot_`	`my clock is done!`
`02:52.35`	`Bemoliph`	`Do the dots stop blinking when you set it?`
`02:52.50`	`Skizot_`	`have you never seen a digital clock.`
`02:53.04`	`Skizot_`	`the center dots blink on and off every other second.`
`02:53.26`	`Bemoliph`	`I thought they blink because it's not set =\`
`02:53.52`	`Alpha_vst`	`yeah`
`02:54.21`	`Skizot_`	`the numbers blink 88:88 when it's not set`
`02:54.35`	`Alpha_vst`	`lies`
`02:54.50`	`Alpha_vst`	`mien blinks 12:00`
`02:54.51`	`heysparky`	`okay, if I don't get this spine crawler thing figured out tonight - it's gone`
`02:54.53`	`Bemoliph`	`Maybe it just depends on the clock`
`02:55.02`	`Alpha_vst`	`it does`
`02:55.23`	`Alpha_vst`	`my banelings are red and yellow ish`
`02:55.31`	`Alpha_vst`	`looks so awesome`
`02:55.49`	`Skizot_`	`well tough shit. mine blinks 88:88 BECAUSE IT CAN GO INTO THE FUTURE!`
`02:56.22`	`pkol`	`just had an idea for a spinning mothership clock`
`02:57.41`	`Alpha_vst`	`thats awesome`
`02:58.30`	`Kylegar`	`aha`
`02:58.35`	`Kylegar`	`default values work`
`02:58.38`	`Kylegar`	`woop woop`
`02:59.22`	Griffith`	`i can't figure out how the actor Battlecruiser Yamato Attack references the sound Battlecruiser_YamatoAttackImpact`
`03:00.40`	Griffith`	`can a pro kindly take 3 seconds to check`
`03:03.59`	`Skizot_`	`http://forums.sc2mapster.com/development/project-brainstorming/1075-contest-clock/`
`03:04.21`	`Kylegar`	`behavior documenting time`
`03:05.01`	`Skizot_`	`posted my clock.`
`03:05.10`	`Skizot_`	`and watch someone jack my idea now :(`
`03:06.43`	`heysparky`	`nice looking clock skizot`
`03:07.12`	`Kylegar`	`huh`
`03:07.15`	`Kylegar`	`YES`
`03:07.21`	`hawtpawkithero`	`Is there any way to send units in a region to another region without losing formation?`
`03:07.22`	`Kylegar`	`Blizzard does standardize some things`
`03:09.04`	`Repo`	`Knowledge base page update: http://www.sc2mapster.com/api-docs/galaxy-editor/edit-menu/undo-redo-cut-copy/ by onisagi`
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`03:09.45`	`heysparky`	`is there a quick way to start with a gazillion resource (not triggers)`
`03:10.16`	`Repo`	`Knowledge base page update: http://www.sc2mapster.com/api-docs/galaxy-editor/edit-menu/undo-redo-cut-copy/ by onisagi`
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`03:10.56`	`Kylegar`	`holy balls`
`03:11.03`	`Kylegar`	`Behaviors are going to be a nightmare to document`
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`03:11.28`	`hawtpawkithero[1`	`Got timed out, did anyone answer my question? How can you move units (pre-arranged in formation) from one region to the next without losing formation?`
`03:13.28`	`Bemoliph`	`It may work if you do "Issue Order to Unit Group", and then click the blue ( and select "Order Targeting Relative Points"`
`03:13.54`	`Kylegar`	`ugh`
`03:14.03`	`Kylegar`	`blizz needs to learn how to nest their dialogs`
`03:14.12`	`Repo`	`Knowledge base page update: http://www.sc2mapster.com/api-docs/galaxy-editor/edit-menu/undo-redo-cut-copy/ by onisagi`
`03:14.24`	`hawtpawkithero[1`	`I'll try that, thank you Bemoliph.`
`03:14.37`	`Bemoliph`	`I'm not entirely sure if it will work, but that is the closest I can find`
`03:14.51`	`Bemoliph`	`I should really test these things before I say them =P`
`03:15.23`	`Repo`	`Knowledge base page update: http://www.sc2mapster.com/api-docs/galaxy-editor/edit-menu/undo-redo-cut-copy/ by onisagi`
`03:16.00`	`Repo`	`Knowledge base page update: http://www.sc2mapster.com/api-docs/galaxy-editor/edit-menu/undo-redo-cut-copy/ by onisagi`
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`03:16.17`	`Kylegar`	`huh`
`03:16.25`	`Kylegar`	`people playing with hero levels`
`03:16.31`	`Kylegar`	`look at the Restorable attribute for behaviors`
`03:16.52`	`hawtpawkithero[1`	`Bemoliph: It worked perfectly. THANKS!`
`03:17.01`	`Bemoliph`	`Excellent, and any time`
`03:17.24`	`Alpha_vst`	`lol`
`03:17.31`	`Skizot_`	`we need repo to shut the fuck up`
`03:17.32`	`Alpha_vst`	`gah`
`03:17.38`	`Alpha_vst`	`yeah`
`03:17.45`	`Skizot_`	`onisagi it had BETTER be fucking worth it.`
`03:17.46`	`Alpha_vst`	`i cant find teh creep defuse :(`
`03:18.01`	`Repo`	`Knowledge base page update: http://www.sc2mapster.com/api-docs/galaxy-editor/edit-menu/undo-redo-cut-copy/ by onisagi`
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`03:18.24`	`Bifuu`	`Freeeeeeeeedom`
`03:18.59`	`Alpha_vst`	`whats the texture that gives the creep its boarders?`
`03:19.05`	`Skizot_`	`Bifuu!`
`03:19.11`	`Skizot_`	`check out my clock!`
`03:19.12`	`Repo`	`Knowledge base page update: http://www.sc2mapster.com/api-docs/galaxy-editor/edit-menu/undo-redo-cut-copy/ by onisagi`
`03:19.20`	`Skizot_`	`DIE ONISAGI DIE`
`03:19.34`	`Repo`	`Knowledge base page update: http://www.sc2mapster.com/api-docs/galaxy-editor/edit-menu/undo-redo-cut-copy/ by onisagi`
`03:20.03`	`Repo`	`Knowledge base page update: http://www.sc2mapster.com/api-docs/galaxy-editor/edit-menu/undo-redo-cut-copy/ by onisagi`
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`03:24.18`	`peterpants`	`i wonder when blizzard will let us play custom maps on b.net`
`03:24.23`	`Repo`	`Knowledge base page update: http://www.sc2mapster.com/api-docs/galaxy-editor/edit-menu/undo-redo-cut-copy/ by onisagi`
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`03:24.47`	`Bifuu`	`peterpants: next time they patch`
`03:24.50`	`Repo`	`Knowledge base page update: http://www.sc2mapster.com/api-docs/galaxy-editor/edit-menu/undo-redo-cut-copy/ by onisagi`
`03:25.28`	`Repo`	`Knowledge base page update: http://www.sc2mapster.com/api-docs/galaxy-editor/edit-menu/undo-redo-cut-copy/ by onisagi`
`03:26.47`	`Repo`	`Knowledge base page update: http://www.sc2mapster.com/api-docs/galaxy-editor/edit-menu/undo-redo-cut-copy/ by onisagi`
`03:28.47`	`Skizot_`	`i hate you onisagi.`
`03:30.48`	`FrozenFirebat`	`Just to make sure i'm not going to be wasting time, There is no WASD engine right now that does strafe while holding right mouse?`
`03:31.04`	`Bifuu`	`none i know of`
`03:31.31`	`FrozenFirebat`	`great... WASD is easy... but making it so you strafe left and right based on your facing angle is gonna be annoying... i'm sure.`
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`03:35.01`	`Bifuu`	`Damn game on july 27th`
`03:35.07`	`FrozenFirebat`	`hahaha`
`03:35.10`	`Bifuu`	`that gives me uhhh 5 days to play it til i go on vacation`
`03:35.12`	`FrozenFirebat`	`I've been hearing that every 5 mins all day`
`03:35.33`	`TheDudeAbides`	`"Nerds unite! Now you can logout of WoW for 30 minutes to get your ass handed to you by a Korean teenager again!"`
`03:35.46`	`FrozenFirebat`	`or play my Diplomacy map?`
`03:36.17`	`NoCount`	`Someone mind helping me with uploading a map to the site? Having trouble ):`
`03:37.56`	`Repo`	`Knowledge base page update: http://www.sc2mapster.com/api-docs/galaxy-editor/edit-menu/undo-redo-cut-copy/ by onisagi`
`03:38.36`	`peterpants`	`quiet in here`
`03:39.01`	`Kylegar`	`asdf`
`03:39.05`	`Kylegar`	`I need more sample data`
`03:39.16`	`TheDudeAbides`	`sample data for what?`
`03:39.21`	`Kylegar`	`can someone send me their BehaviorData.xml?`
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`03:39.37`	`Kylegar`	`i'm documenting data types and stuff`
`03:39.47`	`TheDudeAbides`	`ah`
`03:39.48`	`Kylegar`	`writing xsd schemas for blizz's xml`
`03:39.52`	`TheDudeAbides`	`nice`
`03:39.54`	`Kylegar`	`I have some good stuff so far`
`03:40.00`	`TheDudeAbides`	`online yet?`
`03:40.15`	`Kylegar`	`Items, Buttons, ItemClasses, and ItemContainers are done`
`03:40.25`	`Kylegar`	`and, I have discovered that blizzard actually does things right`
`03:40.32`	`TheDudeAbides`	`lol, no shit`
`03:40.36`	`heysparky`	`how so?`
`03:40.36`	`Kylegar`	`well`
`03:40.42`	`Kylegar`	`they reuse alot of stuff`
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`03:40.44`	`Kylegar`	`for example`
`03:40.45`	`Bifuu`	`oh my god the pain`
`03:40.49`	`TheDudeAbides`	`i knew that ever since i looked at how the mpq format works`
`03:40.57`	`Kylegar`	`they have a Cost+ field`
`03:41.03`	`Kylegar`	`and it is exactly the same`
`03:41.07`	`Kylegar`	`no matter the class`
`03:41.13`	`Kylegar`	`so, I turned that into a xsd complex type`
`03:41.17`	`TheDudeAbides`	`its called inheritance`
`03:41.20`	`Kylegar`	`yea`
`03:41.26`	`Kylegar`	`I know`
`03:41.30`	`TheDudeAbides`	`are you documenting that too?`
`03:41.35`	`Kylegar`	`attempting to`
`03:41.39`	`TheDudeAbides`	`i mean, for example in actors`
`03:41.40`	`Kylegar`	`hence, I need more sample data`
`03:41.43`	`Kylegar`	`yea`
`03:41.46`	`Kylegar`	`I'm starting small`
`03:41.55`	`Kylegar`	`since I'm refactoring stupid ammounts`
`03:42.00`	`TheDudeAbides`	`lol`
`03:42.09`	`TheDudeAbides`	`yeah`
`03:42.17`	`TheDudeAbides`	`you could use something like doxygen`
`03:42.17`	`Kylegar`	`I notice 'hey, this ffield is the same as that field, OH WAIT ITS THE SAME TYPE...REFACTOR'`
`03:42.20`	`TheDudeAbides`	`to document`
`03:42.26`	`Kylegar`	`well`
`03:42.35`	`Kylegar`	`I can't think of a program that would do that`
`03:42.35`	`TheDudeAbides`	`i use that in C++, works wonders`
`03:42.39`	`Kylegar`	`for xml`
`03:42.45`	`Kylegar`	`especially spread out over multiple files`
`03:43.01`	`TheDudeAbides`	`same for C++, say you have class Foo that is subclassed in Bar and FooBar`
`03:43.04`	`Kylegar`	`my stratagy is changing every day`
`03:43.14`	`TheDudeAbides`	`you dont document the methods and fields of Foo in Bar and FooBar`
`03:43.23`	`Kylegar`	`yea`
`03:43.24`	`Kylegar`	`well`
`03:43.27`	`TheDudeAbides`	`you just mention they subclass Foo, and that is a link to the Foo fields and methods`
`03:43.47`	`Kylegar`	`the hardest part is that there is no verbose mode for GE, so it wont save every field`
`03:43.55`	`Kylegar`	`if something is default, it doesn't include that field`
`03:43.57`	`Kylegar`	`saves alot of space`
`03:44.07`	`Kylegar`	`but fuck all if you are trying to document what goes where`
`03:44.17`	`TheDudeAbides`	`you could use the data editor`
`03:44.21`	`TheDudeAbides`	`to see the full fields`
`03:44.22`	`Kylegar`	`it's funky`
`03:44.27`	`TheDudeAbides`	`true`
`03:44.34`	`TheDudeAbides`	`start with the base class, say CActor`
`03:44.38`	`Kylegar`	`it saves things completly different then what the data editor shows`
`03:44.47`	`Kylegar`	`for example`
`03:44.52`	`Kylegar`	`Cost+'s raw data is STUPID`
`03:44.59`	`Kylegar`	`but, when it saves it, it's nested nicely`
`03:45.13`	`TheDudeAbides`	`ah yeah`
`03:45.25`	`Kylegar`	`but`
`03:45.33`	`Kylegar`	`it is good for figuring out what fields are in the base class`
`03:45.37`	`Kylegar`	`and what are in the child class`
`03:45.46`	`TheDudeAbides`	`yeah exactly`
`03:45.55`	`TheDudeAbides`	`thats how i like to think of the data editor`
`03:46.07`	`TheDudeAbides`	`i have too much OOP experience not to think in terms of inheritance :)`
`03:46.13`	`Kylegar`	`yea`
`03:46.25`	`Kylegar`	`when I first started writing xsd schemas`
`03:46.30`	`Kylegar`	`I didn't think of inheritence`
`03:46.35`	`Kylegar`	`inheritance*`
`03:46.37`	`TheDudeAbides`	`also easier to understand that all the fields of CActor are gonna be in every actor object, no matter if its an action or an unit`
`03:46.40`	`Kylegar`	`so, my first attempts were a mess`
`03:46.57`	`Kylegar`	`my C# code generator was pumping out 20k line files`
`03:47.08`	`TheDudeAbides`	`lol!`
`03:47.12`	`Kylegar`	`yea`
`03:47.18`	`Kylegar`	`now thinks are manageable`
`03:47.25`	`Kylegar`	`that was for items`
`03:47.26`	`Kylegar`	`it was stupid`
`03:47.39`	`Kylegar`	`now the item classes are like 1k tops`
`03:47.47`	`TheDudeAbides`	`its still huge`
`03:47.49`	`Kylegar`	`well`
`03:47.58`	`Kylegar`	`most of the space is taken up by serialization`
`03:48.04`	`Kylegar`	`and there are 3 different item classes`
`03:48.15`	`Kylegar`	`each class needs it's own serialize/deserialze`
`03:48.24`	`Kylegar`	`it's the same code except for one typeof() change`
`03:48.27`	`TheDudeAbides`	`3 item classes?`
`03:48.29`	`Kylegar`	`yea`
`03:48.38`	`Kylegar`	`CItem, CItemEffectTarget and CItemEffectInstant`
`03:48.44`	`TheDudeAbides`	`ah yeah`
`03:48.51`	`TheDudeAbides`	`but both derive from CItem`
`03:48.58`	`Kylegar`	`however, CItemEffectTarget and CItemEffectInstant are derived from CItemEffect`
`03:49.10`	`TheDudeAbides`	`which derives from CItem`
`03:49.12`	`Kylegar`	`yes`
`03:49.19`	`TheDudeAbides`	`so its a very simple inheritance tree`
`03:49.27`	`TheDudeAbides`	`i doubt blizz used multiple inheritance for data`
`03:49.37`	`Kylegar`	`I'm guessing the difference between Instant and Target is that Instant targets self and Target has an actual target variable`
`03:49.47`	`Kylegar`	`but, I simplified it, since they both have the exact same data`
`03:50.02`	`Kylegar`	`so it goes CItem -> CItemEffectTarget -> CItemEffectInstant`
`03:50.13`	`Kylegar`	`which is derived from what I call EditorBase`
`03:50.14`	`TheDudeAbides`	`shouldnt it go CItem -> CItemEffect`
`03:50.18`	`Kylegar`	`yea`
`03:50.26`	`TheDudeAbides`	`and then CItemEffect branches into CItemEffectTarget and CItemEffectInstant`
`03:50.30`	`Kylegar`	`but, i'm thing CItemEffect might be internally abstract`
`03:50.31`	`TheDudeAbides`	`and the last two only have a few fields`
`03:50.37`	`Kylegar`	`thiniing*`
`03:50.39`	`TheDudeAbides`	`yeah thats most likely the case`
`03:50.40`	`Kylegar`	`thinking*`
`03:50.49`	`TheDudeAbides`	`if its not in the editor as an usable type, its an abstract class`
`03:51.02`	`Kylegar`	`basically, it has a DoEffect() method that's overriden by both Instant and Target`
`03:51.08`	`Kylegar`	`doing two different things`
`03:51.13`	`TheDudeAbides`	`yeah`
`03:51.15`	`Kylegar`	`so, I just simplified it`
`03:51.36`	`Kylegar`	`I'm not rewriting SC2, just loading the xml`
`03:51.45`	`TheDudeAbides`	`but when you write xsl schemas do you just pretty print the data`
`03:51.52`	`TheDudeAbides`	`or are you trying to make documentation for the fields`
`03:52.05`	`Kylegar`	`right now, I'm printing the data to make sure my code works`
`03:52.11`	`TheDudeAbides`	`for documentation xsl might not be the best format, doxigen generated documents is the way to go`
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`03:52.33`	`TheDudeAbides`	`or any other documentation generator that can work based on xml schemas`
`03:52.36`	`Kylegar`	`this is what I have: http://pastebin.com/ZWMAdUgC`
`03:52.49`	`Kylegar`	`I will definitely go through and document what everything does`
`03:53.07`	`Kylegar`	`but right now, I'm working on getting everything loading`
`03:53.46`	`Repo`	`10galaxy-vim-syntax-highlighting: 03jb55 * r2 galaxy.vim: Initial commit`
`03:54.00`	`TheLaughingMan`	`http://www.livestream.com/7h3laughingman`
`03:54.02`	`Kylegar`	`this is what it makes in C#: http://pastebin.com/5YzSJPqK`
`03:54.14`	`Kylegar`	`it's super clean`
`03:54.34`	`Fatal510`	`i wish i could pay someone to get me a password...`
`03:54.38`	`TheDudeAbides`	`why C#?
`03:54.43`	`Kylegar`	`I like .net`
`03:54.52`	`TheDudeAbides`	`yeah but it has nothing to do with sc2`
`03:55.07`	`TheLaughingMan`	`Skizot_`
`03:55.10`	`TheDudeAbides`	`you should try and make xml schema files for the different data formats`
`03:55.13`	`TheDudeAbides`	`and document those`
`03:55.18`	`Fatal510`	`what are you making Kylegar?`
`03:55.24`	`Kylegar`	`the final product I'm aiming for is a tool to simplify alot of things within GE`
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`03:55.39`	`TheDudeAbides`	`ah`
`03:55.49`	`Kylegar`	`like an Item Creator that automatically creates all the necissary stuff (Item, Unit, Actor, Behavior, the like)`
`03:55.50`	`TheDudeAbides`	`so you'll be using the C# generated classes as containers`
`03:55.58`	`Kylegar`	`essentially`
`03:56.02`	`Kylegar`	`winforms for the gui`
`03:56.04`	`TheDudeAbides`	`ok i see where you are going`
`03:56.12`	`TheDudeAbides`	`i dont know shit about .net`
`03:56.17`	`Kylegar`	`it's awesome`
`03:56.22`	`Alpha_vst`	`gah`
`03:56.28`	`TheDudeAbides`	`im a C++ guy myself, and I like Qt4 over .net anyday`
`03:56.37`	`Kylegar`	`you can roll your face across the keyboard and have an awesome gui and data manipulation tool`
`03:56.39`	`TheDudeAbides`	`Qt4 > winforms`
`03:56.52`	`TheLaughingMan`	`Kylegar`
`03:56.58`	`Kylegar`	`TheDudeAbides`
`03:57.00`	`Kylegar`	`er`
`03:57.00`	`TheDudeAbides`	`native cross platform support 3>`
`03:57.02`	`Alpha_vst`	`lol`
`03:57.02`	`Kylegar`	`TheLaughingMan`
`03:57.10`	`TheLaughingMan`	`Kylegar, http://www.livestream.com/7h3laughingman`
`03:57.45`	`Kylegar`	`hahaha`
`03:57.47`	`Kylegar`	`hahahaha`
`03:57.51`	`TheDudeAbides`	`but i do agree that a third party tool to generate xml files and even possibly galaxy files to be imported in the editor`
`03:57.53`	`TheDudeAbides`	`would be awesome`
`03:58.08`	`Kylegar`	`TheDudeAbides yea, I'm trying to write the xml loading part right`
`03:58.11`	`Kylegar`	`to share with people`
`03:58.14`	`Alpha_vst`	`why are my imported textures showing in the editor but not in game?`
`03:58.34`	`TheLaughingMan`	`Which ones?`
`03:58.38`	`TheDudeAbides`	`i already have worked a simple program to view files from the data archives of sc2`
`03:58.51`	`TheDudeAbides`	`worked nice, just didnnt have model loading yet`
`03:58.59`	`TheDudeAbides`	`then the editor came out, and i havent touched it since`
`03:59.17`	`TheDudeAbides`	`could play every sound file, view text files, save files, etc`
`03:59.19`	`Kylegar`	`the best part about .net is you can write an assembly (.dll) in any .NET language and use it in other languages. ex: I write this in C# and someone can write a program in C++.net or VB.net and use my code`
`03:59.30`	`*** join/#sc2mapster Sixen (~Sixen@173-25-23-10.client.mchsi.com)`
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`03:59.38`	`TheDudeAbides`	`yeah`
`03:59.48`	`TheLaughingMan`	`Hey Sixen`
`03:59.50`	`TheDudeAbides`	`i like how its garbage collected too`
`03:59.53`	`Bifuu`	`damn i was ganna say 5 bucks says sixen gets on but hes already here =/`
`03:59.55`	`TheDudeAbides`	`but i never used C++.net`
`04:00.03`	`Kylegar`	`I don't like it at all`
`04:00.10`	`Kylegar`	`too many ^ and & and *`
`04:00.14`	`TheDudeAbides`	`lol`
`04:00.23`	`Kylegar`	`because you have to interop with managed and unmanaged types`
`04:00.24`	`TheDudeAbides`	`i dont even know what ^ does in .net`
`04:00.29`	`Kylegar`	`it's a managed pointer`
`04:00.33`	`TheLaughingMan`	`Sixen`
`04:00.34`	`Kylegar`	`garbage collected and all that shit`
`04:00.37`	`TheDudeAbides`	`yeah, good thing the VS debugger is amazing`
`04:00.40`	`Kylegar`	`* is unsafe ^ is safe`
`04:00.46`	`TheDudeAbides`	`ok`
`04:00.53`	`TheDudeAbides`	`yeah i think .net uses a moving GC`
`04:00.55`	`Kylegar`	`it's still a fucking nightmare`
`04:00.59`	`TheDudeAbides`	`so ^ would be a reference type`
`04:00.59`	`Kylegar`	`like`
`04:01.04`	`TheDudeAbides`	`since the underlying pointer might move`
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`04:01.20`	`Kylegar`	`CFoo^* obj = new CFoo()`
`04:01.22`	`TheLaughingMan`	`someone want to watch me make an icon?`
`04:01.25`	`Repo`	`Knowledge base page update: http://www.sc2mapster.com/api-docs/galaxy-editor/edit-menu/undo-redo-cut-copy/ by onisagi`
`04:01.26`	`Kylegar`	`actually, that would error :P`
`04:01.27`	`TheDudeAbides`	`i know enough about GCs to understand how things work under the hood`
`04:01.34`	`Kylegar`	`yea`
`04:01.50`	`Kylegar`	`well, C++.net is a mess because it's C++ slapped onto a garbage collector`
`04:01.51`	`TheDudeAbides`	`made my own sweeping GC in D once too`
`04:02.00`	`Kylegar`	`they tried to adhere to the C++ standard`
`04:02.08`	`TheDudeAbides`	`yeah`
`04:02.12`	`Kylegar`	`at the same time, do things it's totally not designed to do`
`04:02.13`	`TheDudeAbides`	`i dont use GCs much in C++`
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`04:02.23`	`TheDudeAbides`	`no point really, unless you lose performance because of deallocations`
`04:02.24`	`Kylegar`	`but`
`04:02.27`	`Kylegar`	`C# on the other hand`
`04:02.31`	`Kylegar`	`is like java on crack`
`04:02.33`	`TheLaughingMan`	`Sixen, arey ou there?`
`04:02.35`	`Kylegar`	`C# is the bomb`
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`04:02.46`	`TheDudeAbides`	`GC = slower allocations, but deallocations are lazily done so its faster, much faster`
`04:02.52`	`Kylegar`	`yea`
`04:03.03`	`Kylegar`	`.NET languages are slower then unmanaged`
`04:03.05`	`TheDudeAbides`	`im more a RAII guy`
`04:03.10`	`Kylegar`	`but WAAAAAY faster than java on windows`
`04:03.14`	`TheLaughingMan`	`RUBY!`
`04:03.26`	`TheDudeAbides`	`i make wrapper classes for the simplest things`
`04:03.30`	`TheLaughingMan`	`Java was only ever meant to be run on 2 devices`
`04:03.31`	`Repo`	`Knowledge base page update: http://www.sc2mapster.com/api-docs/galaxy-editor/edit-menu/undo-redo-cut-copy/ by onisagi`
`04:03.36`	`TheDudeAbides`	`just so i can abuse the ctors and dtors`
`04:03.41`	`Kylegar`	`heh`
`04:03.54`	`TheDudeAbides`	`makes life so much easier lol`
`04:03.59`	`hawtpawkithero[1`	`Any way to increment a variable in the editor?`
`04:04.01`	`TheDudeAbides`	`and its exception safe`
`04:04.09`	`Kylegar`	`var = var +1`
`04:04.19`	`BarakatX2`	`modify integer/real`
`04:04.20`	`hawtpawkithero[1`	`is var++ good?`
`04:04.29`	`TheDudeAbides`	`i dont think they have the postfix operator`
`04:04.31`	`Kylegar`	`I don't think ++ works in galaxy`
`04:04.36`	`hawtpawkithero[1`	`aight thanks`
`04:04.37`	`TheDudeAbides`	`and ++var is better`
`04:04.38`	`Kylegar`	`unary ops yo`
`04:04.44`	`TheDudeAbides`	`since for complex types it saves a copy :)`
`04:04.54`	`Kylegar`	`shush`
`04:05.03`	`TheDudeAbides`	`know why?`
`04:05.08`	`Kylegar`	`yesh`
`04:05.15`	`TheDudeAbides`	`++var returns a reference, var++ returns a copy, even if you dont use it`
`04:05.26`	`Kylegar`	`I have been programming for like 8 years`
`04:05.28`	`spokes`	`hey, quick question, my units, doodads, and points are all hidden on the map, does anyone know what causes this to happen?`
`04:05.31`	`TheDudeAbides`	`same here`
`04:05.36`	`jb55`	`galaxy syntax highlighting for vim. yay! http://www.sc2mapster.com/assets/galaxy-vim-syntax-highlighting/`
`04:05.43`	`Kylegar`	`I'm a TA for a freshman level CS course at my uni`
`04:05.49`	`TheDudeAbides`	`nice`
`04:05.54`	`Kylegar`	`mostly beacuse it's not fucking webdevelopment`
`04:05.55`	`TheDudeAbides`	`im a freelancer`
`04:06.00`	`Kylegar`	`unfortunatly, it's in Java`
`04:06.03`	`TheDudeAbides`	`lol`
`04:06.14`	`BarakatX2`	`they taught python at my uni`
`04:06.15`	`TheDudeAbides`	`i began coding in php, moved to C++ after`
`04:06.15`	`BarakatX2`	`thank god`
`04:06.35`	`TheLaughingMan`	`I am going to be working on making icons, so if anyone is interested in watching...http://www.livestream.com/7h3laughingman`
`04:06.51`	`jb55`	`I tried to convince my prof at college to teach python, none of them used it before. Kind of disheartening :[`
`04:06.56`	`TheDudeAbides`	`sounds like i wont see icons on that stream`
`04:06.59`	`TheDudeAbides`	`so im not gonna click :D`
`04:07.02`	`Kylegar`	`began in C/C++, learned Lua, then Python, then Java, then C# and PHP and a whole buttload of tools`
`04:07.07`	`BarakatX2`	`the CS professors at my uni wrote the python book that we used`
`04:07.15`	`hawtpawkithero[1`	`I'm afraid to go to college next year. RIT Software Eng`
`04:07.23`	`jb55`	`dive into python is really good`
`04:07.25`	`jb55`	`I found`
`04:07.33`	`Kylegar`	`Python is meh though`
`04:07.36`	`TheDudeAbides`	`i never did python`
`04:07.38`	`jb55`	`how so`
`04:07.40`	`Kylegar`	`it's a great scripting language`
`04:07.44`	`jb55`	`it's very pragmatic`
`04:07.47`	`Kylegar`	`but if you really want to program, it's not that good`
`04:07.49`	`TheDudeAbides`	`yeah, i hear only good things about it`
`04:07.59`	`BarakatX2`	`there are very few things i wouldnt use python for`
`04:08.06`	`jb55`	`that's a very controversial comment, Python is an extremely expressive language`
`04:08.09`	`jb55`	`and readable`
`04:08.09`	`Kylegar`	`it's probably the #1 scripting language`
`04:08.15`	`TheDudeAbides`	`yeah`
`04:08.17`	`Kylegar`	`hands down`
`04:08.21`	`BarakatX2`	`i think its fair to call it a programming language`
`04:08.23`	`Kylegar`	`if you want to extend your program, use python`
`04:08.26`	`TheDudeAbides`	`and with boost.python writing wrappers is a breeze`
`04:08.28`	`Sixen`	`What's up`
`04:08.38`	`TheDudeAbides`	`hey sixen`
`04:08.41`	`Kylegar`	`but, actually writing your program, don't use python`
`04:08.44`	`jb55`	`are you saying that it's interpreted as bytecode, that it's not considered a programming language?`
`04:08.46`	`Sixen`	`hai`
`04:08.49`	`TheDudeAbides`	`looked at my wiki layout yet?`
`04:08.55`	`TheLaughingMan`	`Sixen, I am working on making Diablo 2 Icons so if you want to watch you can`
`04:09.23`	`Kylegar`	`jb55 not exactly`
`04:09.26`	`TheDudeAbides`	`python is great to extend a program`
`04:09.29`	`Sixen`	`checking now, TDA`
`04:09.31`	`Sixen`	`will watch, TLM`
`04:09.33`	`Kylegar`	`Python is fantastic as a scripting language`
`04:09.37`	`BarakatX2`	`its also great for writing complete programs`
`04:09.39`	`jb55`	`I think it's just arguing semantics`
`04:09.42`	`jb55`	`they're programming languages`
`04:09.44`	`Kylegar`	`yea`
`04:09.45`	`jb55`	`perl is a programming language`
`04:09.46`	`jb55`	`etc`
`04:09.59`	`Kylegar`	`pearl is only used for unix scripts now lol`
`04:10.01`	`TheDudeAbides`	`you write your base in C++ and then you write the rest in python`
`04:10.06`	`TheDudeAbides`	`so users can modify it without recompiling`
`04:10.23`	`BarakatX2`	`or just use python with C`
`04:10.27`	`Kylegar`	`yea`
`04:10.37`	`Kylegar`	`basically, you give python power with C/C++/whatever`
`04:10.49`	`Kylegar`	`Iron Python is Python.NET, and that's pretty fantastic`
`04:11.07`	`Kylegar`	`since you can use the .net library and it runs on the framework rather than the python vm`
`04:11.12`	`jb55`	`python on the clr is a pretty neat idea, never tried it though`
`04:11.48`	`Kylegar`	`I dunno, i'm not saying python is bad, it's just a scripting language, and a fantastic one at that`
`04:11.55`	`Kylegar`	`you don't build a house with just a hammer`
`04:12.05`	`Kylegar`	`you use the right tools for the job`
`04:12.14`	`jb55`	`indeed`
`04:12.18`	`TheDudeAbides`	`exactly`
`04:12.18`	`Bifuu`	`Streaming: http://www.livestream.com/bifuu imma be talking about how i use and navigate the Data Editor if you care to join =P`
`04:12.40`	`jb55`	`most arguments involving programming revolves around how someone's favourite language is the only tool for the job`
`04:12.43`	`jb55`	`gets annoying`
`04:12.46`	`Kylegar`	`yea`
`04:12.47`	`TheDudeAbides`	`yeah`
`04:12.52`	`TheDudeAbides`	`first sign of an amateur`
`04:12.55`	`jb55`	`yup`
`04:13.05`	`Kylegar`	`but don't get me started on java`
`04:13.09`	`TheDudeAbides`	`its ok to have personnal preferences`
`04:13.18`	`Kylegar`	`there are no applications where java is the right tool for the job`
`04:13.18`	`TheDudeAbides`	`but not ok to try and shove them down everyone's throats`
`04:13.26`	`TheDudeAbides`	`lol`
`04:13.34`	`TheDudeAbides`	`java is an academic language for the most part`
`04:13.37`	`BarakatX2`	`dood if u dont use vb6 den u r noob lolo`
`04:13.38`	`Kylegar`	`I can't stand that damn language`
`04:13.45`	`Sixen`	`Jesus, TheLaughingMan, you have to do every sinlg eon manually like that? :\|`
`04:13.59`	`TheLaughingMan`	`For diablo 2 yea`
`04:14.03`	`jb55`	`I've been dabbing in Clojure and Haskell recently, been enlightening experiences`
`04:14.05`	`Kylegar`	`Why can't I freaking store a basic type in a generic list? :/`
`04:14.15`	`Kylegar`	`Java iz stoopid`
`04:14.16`	`TheDudeAbides`	`jb, functional programming is awesome`
`04:14.19`	`TheDudeAbides`	`i did some in D`
`04:14.21`	`Kylegar`	`F# yo`
`04:14.21`	`Sixen`	`=\|`
`04:14.22`	`Alpha_vst`	`lol`
`04:14.25`	`TheDudeAbides`	`its not nearly as powerful as haskell`
`04:14.32`	`Kylegar`	`Theres a .net language for that :P`
`04:14.36`	`TheDudeAbides`	`but its still amazingly great`
`04:14.40`	`TheDudeAbides`	`isnt that F#?`
`04:14.44`	`Kylegar`	`it'll be my new saying, just like 'theres an app for that'`
`04:14.53`	`TheDudeAbides`	`lol`
`04:14.57`	`jb55`	`when you grok higher order functions and partial application, it changes you in a good way`
`04:15.07`	`TheDudeAbides`	`yup`
`04:15.09`	`Repo`	`New map: http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/smash-tv-test/. Smash TV Test. DaveKap (Manager/Author). Experimental. Approved by sixen.`
`04:15.13`	`Repo`	`New map: http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/orbital-post/. The Orbital Post. frozzenthrone (Manager/Author). Experimental. Approved by sixen.`
`04:15.17`	`TheDudeAbides`	`just like OOP did back in the day`
`04:15.17`	`Repo`	`New map: http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/o-strike-remake/. Offensive Strike Template. ProxyTooMuch (Manager/Author). Experimental. Approved by sixen.`
`04:15.18`	`jb55`	`it's been affecting my c# code at work, looking alot more functional. My coworkers hate me though lol`
`04:15.21`	`Repo`	`New map: http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/king-mineral-hill/. King of the Mineral Hill. pinaflashdotcom (Manager/Author). Approved by sixen.`
`04:15.23`	`Kylegar`	`Functional programming scares me though, you can do waay to much in 5 lines of code to not be making deals with demonic powers`
`04:15.26`	`Repo`	`New asset: http://www.sc2mapster.com/assets/galaxy-vim-syntax-highlighting/. Galaxy Vim Syntax Highlighting. jb55 (Manager/Author). Approved by sixen.`
`04:15.29`	`TheDudeAbides`	`lol`
`04:15.34`	`spokes`	`is there a hotkey to show and hide doodads on the map preview on the right?`
`04:15.40`	`TheDudeAbides`	`jb, cowerkers are just jealous and hate what they dont understand`
`04:15.52`	`jb55`	`haha yeah`
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`04:16.05`	`Kylegar`	`I like working as a TA`
`04:16.13`	`TheDudeAbides`	`my coworkers used to hate me for using interfaces and abstract classes in php`
`04:16.15`	`Kylegar`	`I get to program, and my co-workers are always learning new things`
`04:16.34`	`hawtpawkithero[1`	`STFU FORTRAN IS WHERE ITS AT.`
`04:16.40`	`TheDudeAbides`	`lol`
`04:16.44`	`hawtpawkithero[1`	`And in my spare time I master Scratch.`
`04:16.50`	`Kylegar`	`lolcode`
`04:16.53`	`Kylegar`	`HAI`
`04:16.55`	`TheDudeAbides`	`i was about to say that one`
`04:16.56`	`Kylegar`	`CAN I HAS IOSTREAM`
`04:16.58`	`Kylegar`	`KTHANKS`
`04:17.03`	`TheDudeAbides`	`KTHXBYE`
`04:17.12`	`Kylegar`	`so`
`04:17.15`	`Kylegar`	`in my networking course`
`04:17.17`	`Reactorex`	`Nothxbai.`
`04:17.24`	`TheDudeAbides`	`lol`
`04:17.28`	`Kylegar`	`one of the other groups did their chat client in lolcode`
`04:17.31`	`TheDudeAbides`	`anyone use mindfuck?`
`04:17.32`	`Kylegar`	`and we did our server in C#`
`04:17.35`	`Reactorex`	`YES.`
`04:17.37`	`Kylegar`	`it worked flawlessly`
`04:17.40`	`jb55`	`Whitespace is a real mans programming language`
`04:17.51`	`Reactorex`	`The hell is lolcode? O.o`
`04:17.56`	`TheDudeAbides`	`er i mean, brainfuck`
`04:17.56`	`TheLaughingMan`	`Sixen, you can keep watching I am getting to the fun part`
`04:18.02`	`Kylegar`	`http://lolcode.com/`
`04:18.09`	`TheDudeAbides`	`http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brainfuck`
`04:18.11`	`Reactorex`	`Oh, god... do I dare?`
`04:18.18`	`*** join/#sc2mapster xerph_ (ahunt@69.36.241.28)`
`04:18.18`	`Kylegar`	`go for it`
`04:18.18`	`jb55`	`http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whitespace_(programming_language) the best`
`04:18.20`	`Kylegar`	`its awesome`
`04:18.23`	`Reactorex`	`... I dare.`
`04:18.27`	`Kylegar`	`brainfuck is fun`
`04:18.32`	`Reactorex`	`And I lag.`
`04:18.33`	`Reactorex`	`A lot.`
`04:18.35`	`Kylegar`	`but it's really logical`
`04:18.41`	`Reactorex`	`I said that, like, 15 seconds ago.`
`04:18.42`	`Kylegar`	`not that brainfucky`
`04:19.08`	`Kylegar`	`as long as you know how memory works, it works fine`
`04:19.11`	`Reactorex`	`Oh god, lmao.`
`04:19.30`	`Reactorex`	`That's lolzy.`
`04:19.31`	`TheDudeAbides`	`lol`
`04:19.38`	`TheDudeAbides`	`only on IRC, can you talk about xml data types`
`04:19.40`	`Reactorex`	`That it worked flawlessly is epic.`
`04:19.42`	`TheDudeAbides`	`and end up talking about brainfuck`
`04:19.54`	`Reactorex`	`Brainfuck... nevur hurd of it.`
`04:19.59`	`TheDudeAbides`	`http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brainfuck`
`04:20.02`	`Reactorex`	`But I've done just as weird on wc3.`
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`04:20.33`	`Reactorex`	`O.o`
`04:20.34`	`Reactorex`	`xD`
`04:20.53`	`TheDudeAbides`	`the brainfuck compiler is also the simplest thing ever`
`04:22.19`	`Reactorex`	`Oh, wow.`
`04:22.22`	`Reactorex`	`Brainfucked.`
`04:22.25`	`TheLaughingMan`	`aww`
`04:24.04`	`TheLaughingMan`	`Making a skull icon`
`04:24.33`	`Kylegar`	`TheDudeAbides it's great`
`04:25.07`	`Kylegar`	`yea, also, if you guys want to check out what I'm doing: http://www.sc2mapster.com/assets/sc2maplib/`
`04:25.35`	`Kylegar`	`the repository is a few hours out of date`
`04:25.35`	`Kylegar`	`lemme commit`
`04:25.35`	`TheLaughingMan`	`Meh`
`04:27.03`	`jb55`	`I'll check it out`
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`04:28.14`	`Kylegar`	`kk, rev 9`
`04:29.19`	`Kylegar`	`there is a VS2010 solution and a MonoDevelop solution`
`04:29.22`	`Kylegar`	`since I use both`
`04:29.40`	`TheDudeAbides`	`vs2010 is awesome`
`04:29.43`	`Kylegar`	`yea`
`04:29.45`	`Gozzon`	`uhh is destroy timer tigger bugged?`
`04:29.46`	`TheDudeAbides`	`i love it for C++`
`04:29.48`	`Kylegar`	`I have ultimate for free`
`04:29.52`	`Kylegar`	`through my uni`
`04:29.55`	`Kylegar`	`its bomb`
`04:29.56`	`TheDudeAbides`	`i have the beta for free`
`04:29.56`	`jb55`	`playing with c++0x in it is fun :)`
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`04:30.02`	`TheDudeAbides`	`lol`
`04:30.17`	`TheDudeAbides`	`havent looked at C++0x much yet`
`04:30.20`	`jb55`	`auto is the greatest thing to ever come to c++`
`04:30.21`	`jb55`	`ever`
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`04:30.29`	`jb55`	`it's so simple`
`04:30.29`	`TheDudeAbides`	`yeah`
`04:30.31`	`jb55`	`and so awesome`
`04:30.32`	`TheDudeAbides`	`static_assert too`
`04:30.35`	`Kylegar`	`what does it do?`
`04:30.35`	`jb55`	`yeah`
`04:30.38`	`TheDudeAbides`	`D has auto and static asserts`
`04:30.39`	`jb55`	`type inference`
`04:30.46`	`Reactorex`	`My mind is now brainfucked`
`04:30.48`	`Kylegar`	`at runtime or compile time?`
`04:30.48`	`jb55`	`like var`
`04:30.50`	`jb55`	`in C#`
`04:30.50`	`TheDudeAbides`	`kylegar, you type auto foo = new Foo();`
`04:30.53`	`jb55`	`compile`
`04:30.56`	`Kylegar`	`nice`
`04:30.58`	`TheDudeAbides`	`instead of Foo* foo = new Foo();`
`04:30.59`	`Reactorex`	`Excuse me, my brain is now mindcucked.`
`04:31.03`	`Kylegar`	`so, yea, it's like var`
`04:31.04`	`Reactorex`	`.. apparently.`
`04:31.07`	`Kylegar`	`also`
`04:31.13`	`TheDudeAbides`	`and it infers the type at compile-time`
`04:31.15`	`Kylegar`	`hilarious bugs with dynamic in C# btw`
`04:31.29`	`Kylegar`	`all kinds of shit break with dynamic XD`
`04:31.51`	`TheDudeAbides`	`its much better when you dont have to write stuff like Foo::Bar::Type::iterator foo and just write auto foo`
`04:32.01`	`Kylegar`	`yea`
`04:32.13`	`TheDudeAbides`	`i still write it verbose since i want my C++ to be portable`
`04:32.14`	`Kylegar`	`it's C++ of the fuuuutttuureeee`
`04:32.19`	`TheDudeAbides`	`but in D i go crazy on auto`
`04:32.23`	`TheDudeAbides`	`D is the C++ of the future`
`04:32.32`	`Kylegar`	`I dont like D that much`
`04:32.37`	`TheDudeAbides`	`i love it`
`04:32.42`	`jb55`	`I like everything about it`
`04:32.42`	`jb55`	`but`
`04:32.43`	`TheDudeAbides`	`it just lacks libraries`
`04:32.45`	`jb55`	`I never tried it`
`04:32.52`	`jb55`	`I read the one article about D`
`04:32.54`	`Kylegar`	`one of my friends wrote a compile time raytracer`
`04:32.57`	`TheDudeAbides`	`C++ has Qt, boost, and etc`
`04:32.57`	`jb55`	`which described FUD`
`04:33.01`	`Kylegar`	`and I facepalmed`
`04:33.01`	`TheDudeAbides`	`D just started`
`04:33.04`	`jb55`	`which scared me away`
`04:33.08`	`TheDudeAbides`	`lol`
`04:33.09`	`TheDudeAbides`	`yeah`
`04:33.13`	`TheDudeAbides`	`D's templates = sexy`
`04:33.18`	`TheDudeAbides`	`closures too`
`04:33.25`	`Kylegar`	`I was all like 'YOU CANT DO THAT'`
`04:33.31`	`jb55`	`c++ really needs a module system`
`04:33.34`	`jb55`	`not sure how it'd work though`
`04:33.35`	`Kylegar`	`and he was all like 'I JUST DID'`
`04:33.39`	`Gozzon`	`is destroying timers bugged/retarted or am i missing a point?`
`04:33.49`	`TheDudeAbides`	`jb: i use namespaces to "emulate" modules`
`04:34.00`	`TheDudeAbides`	`but D has it much better`
`04:34.09`	`jb55`	`ideally something like python's`
`04:34.11`	`jb55`	`import lib`
`04:34.14`	`jb55`	`with a standard lib path`
`04:34.17`	`TheDudeAbides`	`thats what D does`
`04:34.20`	`jb55`	`yeah`
`04:34.20`	`TheDudeAbides`	`import std.stdio`
`04:34.23`	`jb55`	`love that`
`04:34.33`	`TheDudeAbides`	`also has methods to prevent name collisions`
`04:34.42`	`TheDudeAbides`	`and also supports cross modules overloads`
`04:36.02`	`TheDudeAbides`	`D also have CTCC`
`04:36.06`	`TheDudeAbides`	`compile time code generation`
`04:36.21`	`TheDudeAbides`	`can write stuff like enum foo = bar();`
`04:36.27`	`TheDudeAbides`	`as long as bar can be executed at compile time`
`04:36.43`	`jb55`	`so`
`04:36.49`	`TheDudeAbides`	`so you dont have to make programs that are compiled and run before the main program to generate headers`
`04:36.50`	`jb55`	`can you swap out bar at runtime?`
`04:37.03`	`TheDudeAbides`	`if bar isnt used at runtime it wont be in the binary`
`04:37.11`	`jb55`	`ohh`
`04:37.13`	`jb55`	`I see`
`04:37.18`	`jb55`	`neat`
`04:37.19`	`TheDudeAbides`	`you can even branch code in bar to get different code paths on CT and RT`
`04:37.52`	`TheDudeAbides`	`even templates can be compile time executed`
`04:38.02`	`TheDudeAbides`	`like enum foo = bar!int();`
`04:38.11`	`TheDudeAbides`	`and it also supports type tuples`
`04:38.22`	`TheDudeAbides`	`has unit tests out of the box`
`04:38.28`	`jb55`	`n-sized tuples?`
`04:38.30`	`TheDudeAbides`	`and static asserts are awesome`
`04:38.31`	`TheDudeAbides`	`yeah`
`04:38.34`	`jb55`	`hmm`
`04:38.44`	`TheDudeAbides`	`so you can do compile time functional programming with templates and tuples`
`04:38.50`	`TheDudeAbides`	`compile time regex compilations = sexy`
`04:38.51`	`jb55`	`this is madness`
`04:38.57`	`TheDudeAbides`	`oh and`
`04:39.03`	`TheDudeAbides`	`it compiles 100 times faster than C++`
`04:39.07`	`TheDudeAbides`	`for the same runtime performance`
`04:39.27`	`jb55`	`is D paying you lol`
`04:39.28`	`TheDudeAbides`	`C++ needs crazy compile time analysis to determine if < is less than or a template`
`04:39.31`	`TheDudeAbides`	`no`
`04:39.39`	`TheDudeAbides`	`:D`
`04:39.45`	`TheDudeAbides`	`i just used it quite a lot`
`04:39.58`	`jb55`	`it's weird you never hear it being used that often`
`04:39.59`	`TheDudeAbides`	`but right now its too young to make large scale projects with so i stick with C++`
`04:40.11`	`TheDudeAbides`	`it still needs lots of libraries`
`04:40.21`	`TheDudeAbides`	`it does have support to link directly into C libraries`
`04:40.31`	`TheDudeAbides`	`but the big libraries are in C++, like Qt`
`04:40.45`	`TheDudeAbides`	`so until they get equivalents in D, it wont get talked about much`
`04:40.47`	`jb55`	`sad to see lack of library support kill languages like that`
`04:40.53`	`TheDudeAbides`	`nah, its growing`
`04:40.56`	`TheDudeAbides`	`its rather recent`
`04:41.00`	`TheDudeAbides`	`only a few years old`
`04:41.00`	`jb55`	`I think thatgeting the JJVM is the way to go`
`04:41.07`	`jb55`	`targeting*`
`04:41.12`	`TheDudeAbides`	`its also garbage collected`
`04:41.27`	`TheDudeAbides`	`and treats arrays as a type instead of pointers like C`
`04:41.37`	`TheDudeAbides`	`heck`
`04:42.03`	`TheDudeAbides`	`you can even make global functions like int length(char[] str)`
`04:42.03`	`Repo`	`Knowledge base page update: http://www.sc2mapster.com/api-docs/galaxy-editor/edit-menu/undo-redo-cut-copy/ by onisagi`
`04:42.08`	`TheDudeAbides`	`and call it as str.length()`
`04:42.12`	`TheDudeAbides`	`or length(str)`
`04:42.30`	`TheDudeAbides`	`so you dont need to make a string object that is hard to extend`
`04:42.46`	`Repo`	`Knowledge base page update: http://www.sc2mapster.com/api-docs/galaxy-editor/edit-menu/undo-redo-cut-copy/ by onisagi`
`04:43.22`	`jb55`	`have you used it for anything interesting?`
`04:43.23`	`jb55`	`project wise?`
`04:43.44`	`TheDudeAbides`	`nothing big`
`04:43.48`	`*** join/#sc2mapster deathnight114 (~chatzilla@c-67-171-44-7.hsd1.wa.comcast.net)`
`04:43.52`	`TheDudeAbides`	`made a wow model viewer once`
`04:44.15`	`TheDudeAbides`	`had a mpq reader, model reader, texture reader, opengl classes`
`04:44.29`	`TheDudeAbides`	`its a lot faster to develop for than C++`
`04:44.34`	`TheDudeAbides`	`much less boilerplate code needed`
`04:44.40`	`*** join/#sc2mapster Sadistik (~428336ba@gateway/web/freenode/x-bhwtjhdqjownwptp)`
`04:44.44`	`TheDudeAbides`	`but its annoying to do everything from scratch`
`04:44.55`	`Sadistik`	`Hello !`
`04:44.58`	`jb55`	`hello !`
`04:45.06`	`TheDudeAbides`	`so ill give it a few more years to mature its libraries`
`04:45.21`	`Sadistik`	`Is there anyone that can help me with random value triggering?`
`04:45.30`	`TheDudeAbides`	`its got big names like Walter Bright and Andrei Alexandrescu working on it`
`04:45.34`	`TheDudeAbides`	`so it can only get better`
`04:45.50`	`*** join/#sc2mapster FRoZeN (~5ab94043@gateway/web/freenode/x-muydnlewstdqeaes)`
`04:45.53`	`FRoZeN`	`hey all`
`04:45.54`	`jb55`	`Andrei is champ`
`04:46.01`	`TheDudeAbides`	`yeah`
`04:46.14`	`TheDudeAbides`	`i learned a LOT about metaprogramming looking at his work on the D library`
`04:47.06`	`*** join/#sc2mapster rory959 (~rory@12.156.9.2)`
`04:47.06`	`jb55`	`sometimes I look at metaprogramming and just see it as a lack of expressiveness in the language`
`04:47.06`	`Sadistik`	`Basicly I would like to make a random cube like in mario kart. What i want is to tell em trigger to randomize between 7 value (item/speed modif).`
`04:47.19`	`TheDudeAbides`	`not at all`
`04:47.22`	`TheDudeAbides`	`its a huge boost imo`
`04:47.23`	`jb55`	`where you can express the same thing in lets say Haskell but without the syntactical heavywork and pain`
`04:47.33`	`TheDudeAbides`	`true`
`04:47.41`	`jb55`	`speaking from looking at boost::, etc`
`04:47.44`	`jb55`	`iunno`
`04:47.45`	`TheDudeAbides`	`but then you need to link the two languages`
`04:48.04`	`TheDudeAbides`	`D isnt meant to be a 100% functional language like haskell`
`04:48.08`	`FRoZeN`	`Sadistik u can make a random integer.. and just make a switch with that integer in it. and do the action you want depending on the number`
`04:48.09`	`TheDudeAbides`	`its just there should you need it`
`04:48.46`	`Sadistik`	`How do I make a random trigger`
`04:48.49`	`Sadistik`	`ujh`
`04:48.51`	`TheDudeAbides`	`yeah boost is a huge piece of work to make C++ bearable`
`04:48.54`	`Sadistik`	`Integrer`
`04:48.58`	`FRoZeN`	`make an integer variable`
`04:49.07`	`Sadistik`	`with array`
`04:49.11`	`FRoZeN`	`use the set variable to set it to a random number`
`04:49.12`	`Sadistik`	`that i know`
`04:49.19`	`Sadistik`	`o`
`04:49.24`	`Sadistik`	`ill try`
`04:49.33`	`FRoZeN`	`and then the thing u want after that is called switch`
`04:49.37`	`TheDudeAbides`	`i know blizzard uses boost a lot`
`04:49.48`	`TheDudeAbides`	`and the editor probably uses wxwidgets`
`04:50.01`	`TheDudeAbides`	`those are two libraries they ask for experience with in their job application pages`
`04:50.10`	`TheDudeAbides`	`wxwidgets is meh though`
`04:50.15`	`TheDudeAbides`	`Qt outperforms it on every level`
`04:50.28`	`hawtpawkithero[1`	`I'm having trouble figuring out where to enter the var = var + 1 to get the incremental variable effect`
`04:50.33`	`hawtpawkithero[1`	`any ideas?`
`04:50.42`	`TheDudeAbides`	`we're also 10 years past sc1 and they still dont use manifests`
`04:50.43`	`jb55`	`I dread having to work with gui frameworks`
`04:50.51`	`TheDudeAbides`	`lol`
`04:50.55`	`TheDudeAbides`	`i do a lot of gui programming`
`04:50.55`	`FRoZeN`	`hawtpawkithero[1 modify variable?`
`04:51.03`	`jb55`	`it feels like I'm learning a whole new language`
`04:51.08`	`TheDudeAbides`	`nah`
`04:51.13`	`TheDudeAbides`	`its always the same concepts`
`04:51.31`	`jb55`	`since they end up abstracting pretty much everything that possibly can to be cross platform`
`04:51.37`	`TheDudeAbides`	`yeah`
`04:51.42`	`TheDudeAbides`	`but i do that for everything`
`04:51.47`	`hawtpawkithero[1`	`FRoZeN: Oh wow. Didn't evennotice that. Thanks haha.`
`04:51.58`	`FRoZeN`	`np`
`04:52.06`	`TheDudeAbides`	`abstractions are the best thing in programming`
`04:52.11`	`jb55`	`yup`
`04:52.22`	`jb55`	`its such a simple idea`
`04:52.27`	`TheDudeAbides`	`yet so powerful`
`04:52.34`	`jb55`	`it's surprising how many programmers don't grasp it`
`04:52.42`	`TheDudeAbides`	`they feel its too much work`
`04:52.58`	`TheDudeAbides`	`then end up wondering why they constantly need to rewrite their app to add a simple feature`
`04:53.08`	`Reactorex`	`I don't even know what abstraction is, so :s`
`04:53.30`	`TheDudeAbides`	`its the outline of how something should interact with the world`
`04:53.31`	`FRoZeN`	`many programmers dont even grasp programming tho`
`04:53.35`	`TheDudeAbides`	`without defining its implementation`
`04:53.41`	`jb55`	`programming to interfaces and building on abstractions were the concepts that made me go from a bad programmer to a better programmer`
`04:53.50`	`TheDudeAbides`	`lol`
`04:53.51`	`Reactorex`	`Heh, why does that NOT surprise me, FRoZeN?`
`04:53.52`	`TheDudeAbides`	`yeah same`
`04:53.55`	`TheDudeAbides`	`that and the C++ faqs`
`04:54.09`	`jb55`	`those faqs`
`04:54.14`	`TheDudeAbides`	`http://www.parashift.com/c++-faq-lite/`
`04:54.14`	`jb55`	`were nuts`
`04:54.16`	`jb55`	`yup`
`04:54.21`	`jb55`	`dude are you me or something`
`04:54.25`	`TheDudeAbides`	`lol`
`04:54.29`	`TheDudeAbides`	`great minds think alike`
`04:54.34`	`jb55`	`indeed`
`04:54.39`	`Reactorex`	`How long would it take me to read that? :P`
`04:54.46`	`TheDudeAbides`	`few days if youre hardcore`
`04:54.47`	`Reactorex`	`From start to end. xP`
`04:54.50`	`Reactorex`	`Hrm.`
`04:54.59`	`TheDudeAbides`	`few weeks if you take each piece and digest it before moving on`
`04:55.01`	`Reactorex`	`Then I can finish it before I leave for my university.`
`04:55.07`	`FRoZeN`	`im more of a C# person myself`
`04:55.14`	`TheDudeAbides`	`reactor, its definitely worth a read`
`04:55.19`	`Reactorex`	`I bet.`
`04:55.20`	`FRoZeN`	`but all the languages are similar anyway`
`04:55.26`	`TheDudeAbides`	`spend the time on that, it'll save you months of bad programming`
`04:55.39`	`jb55`	`c# autocompletion is godlike`
`04:55.42`	`jb55`	`one thing MS did right`
`04:55.43`	`Reactorex`	`I could use something like that, too.`
`04:55.47`	`FRoZeN`	`idd`
`04:55.55`	`Reactorex`	`jb55: c# and c++`
`04:56.02`	`TheDudeAbides`	`i did 5 mins of C# :x`
`04:56.04`	`Sadistik`	`yeah it works`
`04:56.08`	`Sadistik`	`Thanks frozen`
`04:56.12`	`jb55`	`indeed excpecially with the C++ improvements in 2010`
`04:56.15`	`jb55`	`very snappy`
`04:56.16`	`TheDudeAbides`	`got quite a few years of C++ in my pocket`
`04:56.17`	`jb55`	`even for libs like boost`
`04:56.20`	`FRoZeN`	`np :) sadistik`
`04:56.21`	`Reactorex`	`Haven't seen 2010.`
`04:56.23`	`Reactorex`	`Only 2008`
`04:56.31`	`TheDudeAbides`	`i compiled boost on 2010`
`04:56.35`	`TheDudeAbides`	`works great`
`04:56.37`	`Reactorex`	`I've got two years of C++ self-taught atm.`
`04:56.45`	`TheDudeAbides`	`im self-taught too`
`04:56.51`	`jb55`	`~11 years of c++ self taught`
`04:56.54`	`Reactorex`	`Prior to university, so it's not much.`
`04:56.55`	`jb55`	`started at the age of 10`
`04:56.57`	`jb55`	`:)`
`04:56.59`	`TheDudeAbides`	`hehe`
`04:57.01`	`TheDudeAbides`	`thats more than me`
`04:57.04`	`TheDudeAbides`	`i haave maybe 5-6`
`04:57.08`	`Reactorex`	`I'm aiming for a degree. :P`
`04:57.10`	`jb55`	`I'm 21`
`04:57.14`	`TheDudeAbides`	`25 :x`
`04:57.19`	`FRoZeN`	`i started out self taught back in pascal lol thats like 13 years ago`
`04:57.22`	`FRoZeN`	`and damn i sucked`
`04:57.27`	`TheDudeAbides`	`dont we all :)`
`04:57.49`	`TheDudeAbides`	`i was blown away when i realized i understood what a function was`
`04:57.52`	`jb55`	`I did a lot of VB`
`04:57.54`	`jb55`	`fucked me up bad`
`04:57.58`	`TheDudeAbides`	`lol`
`04:58.05`	`FRoZeN`	`haha`
`04:58.12`	`Reactorex`	`All I could say to that is "ew, ew, ew."`
`04:58.12`	`TheDudeAbides`	`yeah VB is a good way to have to relearn everything once you switch to a serious language`
`04:58.19`	`*** join/#sc2mapster Falstaff (~63411c6a@gateway/web/freenode/x-aydjniovwmhpvitf)`
`04:58.24`	`Reactorex`	`Basic... /shudder`
`04:58.35`	`TheDudeAbides`	`could be worse`
`04:58.35`	`FRoZeN`	`i had to "start learning to program" in vb 6`
`04:58.39`	`jb55`	`alright good talks I should probably go to sleep ~1:00 here`
`04:58.49`	`TheDudeAbides`	`BAT SCRIPTS`
`04:58.51`	`Reactorex`	`11:58 PM. >:3`
`04:58.59`	`FRoZeN`	`you can do a lot on BAT actually`
`04:59.00`	`Reactorex`	`Never heard of bat scripts.`
`04:59.06`	`Reactorex`	`OH, BATCHES.`
`04:59.09`	`TheDudeAbides`	`yeah true`
`04:59.11`	`Reactorex`	`God, I'm tired.`
`04:59.14`	`TheDudeAbides`	`but once you learn bash`
`04:59.19`	`TheDudeAbides`	`bat seems like a sissy toy`
`04:59.23`	`Reactorex`	`Bash is fun. :P`
`04:59.32`	`TheDudeAbides`	`the bash syntax is fucked up`
`04:59.50`	`TheDudeAbides`	`if [ "foo" -e "foo" ] ; then`
`04:59.55`	`TheDudeAbides`	`thats gay ugly`
`05:00.13`	`Reactorex`	`At least the OS works.`
`05:00.19`	`Jamash`	`:(){ :\|:& };:`
`05:00.28`	`TheDudeAbides`	`yeah`
`05:00.33`	`TheDudeAbides`	`no doubt about it`
`05:00.38`	`FRoZeN`	`-_-`
`05:00.54`	`Jamash`	`ridiculously complex emoticon, or script that kills a system running without process quotas?`
`05:00.55`	`Reactorex`	`Doing hex editing makes me think spaghetti code.`
`05:00.56`	`Jamash`	`YOU DECIDE`
`05:01.06`	`TheDudeAbides`	`lol`
`05:01.06`	`FRoZeN`	`anyone know any good maps or tutorials with custom upgrades?`
`05:01.07`	`TheDudeAbides`	`rm -rf /`
`05:01.08`	`TheDudeAbides`	`:D`
`05:01.35`	`Reactorex`	`0.o`
`05:02.15`	`Jamash`	`touch '. .. -rf *'`
`05:02.36`	`Repo`	`Knowledge base page update: http://www.sc2mapster.com/api-docs/starcraft-ii-galaxy-editor-unofficial-documentation/ by Sc2Dude`
`05:03.50`	`Jamash`	`touch '-rf ~'`
`05:04.01`	`Reactorex`	`Is it possible to modify au nit's armor via triggers?`
`05:04.19`	`FRoZeN`	`pretty sure it is yes`
`05:06.48`	`FRoZeN`	`think there is a set unit property thing`
`05:07.32`	`Reactorex`	`Armor isn't under there.`
`05:07.58`	`Reactorex`	`That's only shielids, energy, life, resources, kills, height, and speed.`
`05:08.09`	`Reactorex`	`At least, those are the listed ones.`
`05:08.18`	`FRoZeN`	`so everything that u dont need :P`
`05:08.20`	`pom_pom`	`React: add behaviour`
`05:08.51`	`Reactorex`	`Can I use that to add a dynamic value without lagging?`
`05:08.59`	`pom_pom`	`yup`
`05:09.07`	`Reactorex`	`It stacks?`
`05:09.09`	`pom_pom`	`just make a behaviour with mod + armor and infinite stack`
`05:09.13`	`pom_pom`	`then apply as much as u want`
`05:09.20`	`Reactorex`	`And that WON'T lag? O.o`
`05:09.26`	`pom_pom`	`why would it`
`05:09.34`	`pom_pom`	`behaviour does nothing graphical`
`05:09.43`	`FRoZeN`	`you will be amazed what you can do without lag in sc2`
`05:09.44`	`Reactorex`	`It's not extra processing?`
`05:09.46`	`pom_pom`	`u don't even need to display the little effect icon`
`05:09.50`	`pom_pom`	`if u don't want`
`05:10.14`	`pom_pom`	`behaviours are a part of regular play`
`05:10.17`	`Reactorex`	`Awhright ,I'll give it a go.`
`05:10.19`	`pom_pom`	`like mauraders slow effect`
`05:10.20`	`pom_pom`	`etc`
`05:10.48`	`Sadistik`	`Anyony got an idea on an action that would remove the unit i run into ?`
`05:11.05`	`Reactorex`	`Define"run into".`
`05:11.55`	`HyBReD`	`i assume collide with`
`05:12.00`	`HyBReD`	`in which case`
`05:12.18`	`HyBReD`	`you just run a constant check that removes units that enter a .25 radius of the unit`
`05:12.26`	`HyBReD`	`or maybe gain an effect of some aura type`
`05:12.32`	`Reactorex`	`That's what I was thinking.`
`05:12.50`	`HyBReD`	`is there even an aura based ability in the game`
`05:13.05`	`Bemoliph`	`Cloaking Field on Moms`
`05:13.15`	`FRoZeN`	`true dat`
`05:13.31`	`Bemoliph`	`I believe it's based on the Search Area effect`
`05:13.33`	`HyBReD`	`good call bemo`
`05:13.40`	`Bemoliph`	`And searches every 0.4167 seconds`
`05:13.41`	`HyBReD`	`i think thats probably the only one right?`
`05:13.52`	`HyBReD`	`oh if it doesnt search any faster`
`05:13.55`	`HyBReD`	`then wtf is the point`
`05:13.55`	`Reactorex`	`Sensor Tower's is SIMILAR.`
`05:14.03`	`Bemoliph`	`Well, you can search any time you want`
`05:14.09`	`Bemoliph`	`You could search every 0.1 seconds or less`
`05:14.10`	`HyBReD`	`oh you can?`
`05:14.12`	`HyBReD`	`allright`
`05:14.15`	`Bemoliph`	`I am just saying how the Mom's cloaking works`
`05:14.27`	`HyBReD`	`its going to be interesting to see this divice of developers`
`05:14.35`	`HyBReD`	`divide*`
`05:14.38`	`HyBReD`	`Data vs Triggering`
`05:14.42`	`Bemoliph`	`I use it for collidable powerups without triggers`
`05:14.50`	`HyBReD`	`since they both are capapble of doing nearly each`
`05:14.58`	`Bemoliph`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJ5kk5cDN-I`
`05:15.15`	`peterpants`	`i feel i have more control with triggers, data is just eh, confusing atm`
`05:15.30`	`Bemoliph`	`I messed up in the video and chose the wrong section of the Vortex, so it doesn't have the fancy graphics affecting the Hydralisk, but oh well`
`05:15.32`	`FRoZeN`	`hybred: many of the programmers will probably play to their strength and do a lot of triggering :)`
`05:15.37`	`HyBReD`	`Bemo that shouldnt be hard`
`05:15.42`	`HyBReD`	`i wouldnt think anyway`
`05:15.45`	`HyBReD`	`and yes Frozen`
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`05:16.03`	`HyBReD`	`i think anyone with a programming backgorund is going to keep to their comfort zones`
`05:16.13`	`FRoZeN`	`but the data editor seems so powerful`
`05:16.13`	`HyBReD`	`especially when its more powerful`
`05:16.13`	`FRoZeN`	`i wish i was better at it`
`05:16.13`	`HyBReD`	`i dont`
`05:16.14`	`HyBReD`	`id rather be better with triggering`
`05:16.26`	`Bemoliph`	`I look at Data Editor versus Triggering in this way`
`05:16.35`	`Bemoliph`	`Blizzard made special classes and such for abilities`
`05:16.45`	`Bemoliph`	`They don't program their abilities with triggers`
`05:16.49`	`HyBReD`	`id be very surprised if there ever comes a point where i wish spent more time with the data editor`
`05:16.55`	`Bemoliph`	`There is a reason for it, so I would use the Data Editor to make abilities`
`05:17.03`	`Bemoliph`	`So they are handled as properly as possible`
`05:17.10`	`HyBReD`	`Bemo their spells are hardcoded`
`05:17.11`	`Sholdak`	`also I imagine using the data editor would be far better for performance`
`05:17.13`	`FRoZeN`	`i also do most stuff in triggers`
`05:17.17`	`HyBReD`	`has nothing to do with what they're doing`
`05:17.18`	`HyBReD`	`not only that`
`05:17.28`	`HyBReD`	`nothing blizzard does is nearly as complicated as anything we would be putting into an RPG style map`
`05:17.30`	`Bemoliph`	`Are they? +P`
`05:17.37`	`Sholdak`	`what spells are hardcoded?`
`05:17.48`	`Bemoliph`	`I see every spell in SC2 in the Data Editor`
`05:17.51`	`FRoZeN`	`btw hybred your work so far is really cool`
`05:18.08`	`Bemoliph`	`I also see many more things in the Data Editor to construct abilities/effects/behaviors/whatever than is used in standard SC2`
`05:18.11`	`HyBReD`	`Bemo you rae right`
`05:18.13`	`HyBReD`	`are`
`05:18.15`	`HyBReD`	`but its like saying`
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`05:18.40`	`HyBReD`	`i got nothing`
`05:18.44`	`HyBReD`	`BUT`
`05:18.51`	`HyBReD`	`what blizzard does is basic`
`05:19.00`	`Bemoliph`	`What does that have to do with anything?`
`05:19.03`	`HyBReD`	`id love to see someone do any of my spells except maybe Stratos`
`05:19.09`	`HyBReD`	`in the data editor`
`05:19.14`	`Bemoliph`	`Show me your spells`
`05:19.15`	`HyBReD`	`and only the data editor`
`05:19.20`	`Sholdak`	`some of the spells blizzard has are incredibly complex`
`05:19.24`	`Sholdak`	`broodling weapon`
`05:19.26`	`HyBReD`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygjkn1HIoPg`
`05:19.28`	`Reactorex`	`Hmm.... thank you, very much, pom_pom. I wouldn't have seen all this juicy stuff if you didn't mention it to me!`
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`05:19.40`	`Sholdak`	`is like 6 different effects, a bunch of behaviors, etc`
`05:19.44`	`Reactorex`	`Now to see if I can use this to make a unit fly if it's a ground unit....`
`05:19.57`	`HyBReD`	`thats not complicated Sholdak`
`05:19.59`	`HyBReD`	`thats just alot of shit`
`05:20.05`	`Sholdak`	`mm`
`05:20.14`	`HyBReD`	`look at it this way`
`05:20.18`	`HyBReD`	`if thats how blizzard has to do an ability like that`
`05:20.24`	`HyBReD`	`imagine one of mine`
`05:20.32`	`Sholdak`	`give me an example :p`
`05:20.37`	`HyBReD`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygjkn1HIoPg`
`05:20.39`	`HyBReD`	`look at a few`
`05:20.41`	`HyBReD`	`ill brb`
`05:21.04`	`Sholdak`	`i did a jump ability using the editor`
`05:21.04`	`pom_pom`	`no problem Reactorex`
`05:21.12`	`Sholdak`	`it wasn't THAT bad`
`05:21.48`	`Sholdak`	`i think what many people will wind up doing is creating effects with data and triggering them via triggers`
`05:21.57`	`Sholdak`	`or some kind of combination of the 2`
`05:22.00`	`peterpants`	`that's what i do`
`05:23.14`	`Bemoliph`	`HyBReD: All of your abilities are doable in the Data Editor`
`05:23.32`	`Bemoliph`	`Furthermore, Terrain Deformation is also available via the Data Editor, and so you could do that last ability as you seemed to have wanted`
`05:23.32`	`FRoZeN`	`im making a tech wars map, so i need to make a lot of "behaviors" i guess it will be, and then i apply them to units somehow after they are upgraded ingame`
`05:23.32`	`Tinker`	`Speaking of triggers... Anyone know how to get the amount of damage last done to a unit when it was attacked? Having problems with a Any Unit takes Fatal or Non-Fatal Any damage (from Any effects) trigger.`
`05:24.09`	`FRoZeN`	`tinker: how are you having problems?`
`05:24.11`	`peterpants`	`you would use that event with a function like 'damage recieved' or something`
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`05:24.40`	`HyBReD`	`Bemoliph i know`
`05:24.46`	`HyBReD`	`i should probably annotate it`
`05:24.50`	`HyBReD`	`saying i know its possible`
`05:24.51`	`HyBReD`	`with actors`
`05:25.09`	`Bemoliph`	`Yeah, the Terrain Deformation actors`
`05:25.26`	`Tinker`	`I can't seem to find any function that returns the damage dealt.`
`05:25.30`	`Repo`	`Knowledge base page update: http://www.sc2mapster.com/api-docs/galaxy-editor/window/toolbar/ by onisagi`
`05:25.35`	`FRoZeN`	`tinker: i use the "Unit - Any Unit takes Fatal or Non-Fatal Melee damage (from Any effects)" to make some stalkers blink away when they take melee damage, seems to work fine`
`05:26.11`	`Tinker`	`The event works fine, i just can't seem to figure out how to find the amount of damage taken by said unit`
`05:26.22`	`FRoZeN`	`i see`
`05:26.57`	`Repo`	`Knowledge base page update: http://www.sc2mapster.com/api-docs/galaxy-editor/window/status-bar/ by onisagi`
`05:27.27`	`Jcup`	`>.< Has anyone had any luck with rotating a tanks turret using triggers yet?`
`05:27.54`	`Ousnius`	`I wanted to ask EXACTLY the same question lol!`
`05:27.59`	`HyBReD`	`Bemoliph i'd be curious to see those abilites done`
`05:28.11`	`HyBReD`	`along with how long it takes`
`05:28.19`	`HyBReD`	`because i gurantee it would take at least 3x longer`
`05:28.36`	`Repo`	`Knowledge base page update: http://www.sc2mapster.com/api-docs/galaxy-editor/window/previewer/ by onisagi`
`05:28.39`	`Bemoliph`	`Well, the time taken I would say is inaccurate at this point`
`05:28.54`	`Bemoliph`	`There just isn't enough general familiarity with everything the data editor has to offer`
`05:29.05`	`Bemoliph`	`Which is one part of why people are still using triggers`
`05:29.11`	`Bemoliph`	`The other side I would say is habit`
`05:29.21`	`FRoZeN`	`id have to agree`
`05:29.48`	`HyBReD`	`yea fine`
`05:29.49`	`HyBReD`	`but still`
`05:29.56`	`Bemoliph`	`There probably are a few cases where a very specific effect needs to be achieved, and thus it has to be done through triggers, but that is likely a very limited set of situations`
`05:30.10`	`Sholdak`	`frozen: Triggering Damage Amount`
`05:30.17`	`Sholdak`	`it's a real`
`05:30.21`	`HyBReD`	`i just spent 4-5 years programming triggers`
`05:30.22`	`HyBReD`	`one way`
`05:30.22`	`Bemoliph`	`But that is just a guess, I have nothing to base it on`
`05:30.23`	`FRoZeN`	`aha!`
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`05:30.25`	`HyBReD`	`abilities*`
`05:30.32`	`Bemoliph`	`<Bemoliph> The other side I would say is habit`
`05:30.32`	`Bemoliph`	`=P`
`05:30.33`	`HyBReD`	`its very hard for me to think outside the box when it comes tot he data editor`
`05:30.42`	`HyBReD`	`and after diggint rhough it`
`05:30.46`	`HyBReD`	`even harder to believe its faster`
`05:30.52`	`HyBReD`	`more efficient - maybe`
`05:30.52`	`Bemoliph`	`Well, it's unknown territory`
`05:30.53`	`HyBReD`	`probably`
`05:30.58`	`HyBReD`	`but faster? really doubt it`
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`05:31.04`	`Bemoliph`	`Faster in what sense?`
`05:31.09`	`HyBReD`	`creation time`
`05:31.11`	`Sholdak`	`i would say it'll always be faster to make triggers`
`05:31.15`	`ShadowTiger`	`faster in that you can ignite the ground with your speed`
`05:31.18`	`Sholdak`	`but i'm not sure the tradeoff is worth it`
`05:31.19`	`pom_pom`	`Tinker does "Triggering damage amount" not work for you?`
`05:31.20`	`Bemoliph`	`Maybe`
`05:31.33`	`Tinker`	`Doh! I feel dumb now, real not intiger`
`05:31.34`	`Bemoliph`	`I'll concede that the Data Editor's interface is a very messy`
`05:31.44`	`HyBReD`	`its not messy`
`05:31.46`	`ShadowTiger`	`Well there are some things that require knowledge of both`
`05:31.54`	`HyBReD`	`its just a bit clusterfucky in random places`
`05:31.58`	`HyBReD`	`obviously Shadow`
`05:31.58`	`ShadowTiger`	`So its best to learn all of it`
`05:32.01`	`HyBReD`	`im saying`
`05:32.06`	`Kylegar`	`mm`
`05:32.10`	`HyBReD`	`there will be a divice`
`05:32.11`	`Kylegar`	`I want to play a custom map on bnet`
`05:32.13`	`Bemoliph`	`Well, it doesn't exactly lend itself to readability`
`05:32.17`	`HyBReD`	`two people will approach a problem 2 different ways`
`05:32.19`	`HyBReD`	`triggering and data`
`05:32.20`	`Sholdak`	`or quick editing`
`05:32.21`	`Bemoliph`	`I'm not really a Data Editor Zealot, though`
`05:32.27`	`HyBReD`	`the real question is which one is going to be more acceted by the nubbies`
`05:32.41`	`Bemoliph`	`I just feel like Blizzard makes their abilities with the Data Editor for a reason`
`05:32.41`	`Ousnius`	`@ Kylegar: we could try my map :P`
`05:32.44`	`Bemoliph`	`And thus that is the place to do it`
`05:32.49`	`Sholdak`	`I'm hoping they fix some of the really terrible UI problems before release`
`05:32.53`	`Bemoliph`	`Similarly, there are things you should do with Triggers`
`05:32.54`	`Kylegar`	`Ousnius kay`
`05:32.57`	`Kylegar`	`what map is it?`
`05:33.02`	`Sholdak`	`and if not, we'll have community tools to do it i think`
`05:33.03`	`Bemoliph`	`And so I would do those things there`
`05:33.08`	`Ousnius`	`TankTeam 2nd page @ www.sc2mapster.com`
`05:33.29`	`Sholdak`	`for nubbies, they'll just copy whatever more experianced people use`
`05:33.36`	`Alpha_vst`	`how do you change the mini map color of creep?`
`05:33.37`	`Sholdak`	`whether its data or triggers`
`05:33.53`	`Sholdak`	`so it really depends on what catches on more`
`05:33.55`	`HyBReD`	`Bemoliph its that sort of thinking that stops things from being as good as they can be`
`05:34.03`	`HyBReD`	`to me its like this`
`05:34.07`	`Bemoliph`	`Oh?`
`05:34.21`	`HyBReD`	`in terms of pure functionality from a coding standpoint`
`05:34.30`	`HyBReD`	`the triggering editor can do everything the data editor can`
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`05:34.40`	`HyBReD`	`but the data editor cant provide everything the triggering editor can`
`05:34.45`	`HyBReD`	`but the stuff it can, is probably more efficient`
`05:34.47`	`Sholdak`	`it can't do terrain deformation :p`
`05:34.51`	`HyBReD`	`not yet.`
`05:34.56`	`Ousnius`	`kylegar do u have EU or US client?`
`05:34.59`	`Bemoliph`	`Well, that depends on what you're talking about`
`05:35.02`	`HyBReD`	`anything`
`05:35.06`	`Kylegar`	`US`
`05:35.09`	`Kylegar`	`downloading it btw`
`05:35.13`	`HyBReD`	`obviously the data editor is there for visual things`
`05:35.16`	`Cronos`	`you can make custom units with just triggers?`
`05:35.17`	`Reactorex`	`Bemoliph!`
`05:35.18`	`Ousnius`	`f*ck XD I have EU`
`05:35.20`	`HyBReD`	`and the more controlled aspects`
`05:35.22`	`Ousnius`	`so we can't play I think`
`05:35.27`	`Reactorex`	`About the mothership's cloaking field when you mentioned it as an aura...`
`05:35.32`	`Kylegar`	`yea`
`05:35.33`	`Kylegar`	`that sucks`
`05:35.34`	`Bemoliph`	`That is a silly argument, given that the data editor's purpose isn't to serve as a roundabout trigger editor =P`
`05:35.37`	`Reactorex`	`Wouldn't the pylon power source achieve the same effect?`
`05:35.42`	`HyBReD`	`Bemo im not saying`
`05:35.43`	`Bemoliph`	`So of course the Data Editor can't do everything the Trigger Editor can`
`05:35.46`	`HyBReD`	`no`
`05:35.54`	`HyBReD`	`i figured we were thinking in the same context here`
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`05:35.57`	`HyBReD`	`abilities`
`05:36.00`	`HyBReD`	`and stuff that both are able to do`
`05:36.03`	`molsterr`	`hello all.`
`05:36.09`	`Sholdak`	`I mean there are certainly some things that are far easier to do in the data editor`
`05:36.13`	`Sholdak`	`movers for example`
`05:36.14`	`Ousnius`	`maybe u could play it with somebody else here?`
`05:36.24`	`HyBReD`	`the trigger editor at the end of the day is going to provide more options than the data editor`
`05:36.25`	`Sholdak`	`in order to move a unit in a parabola`
`05:36.27`	`Reactorex`	`What, movers are POSSIBLE in the trigger editor?`
`05:36.30`	`Ousnius`	`I need to know if the triggers are working for both players ;D`
`05:36.42`	`Sholdak`	`with triggers is incredily annoying and bad for performance`
`05:36.57`	`HyBReD`	`in a parabola?`
`05:37.10`	`Sholdak`	`for example when a unit jumps`
`05:37.21`	`Sholdak`	`you make it iterate through different heights right?`
`05:37.23`	`Sholdak`	`via triggers`
`05:37.30`	`HyBReD`	`it takes 4 lines of code`
`05:37.42`	`Bemoliph`	`Anyways, like I said before, they made all those classes and such for a reason, and I think it's fair to say that they are handled in a special way`
`05:37.44`	`HyBReD`	`in wc3 i would agree with you`
`05:37.46`	`HyBReD`	`its more efficient`
`05:37.54`	`HyBReD`	`but jumping in the sc2 edcitor is easy`
`05:37.57`	`FRoZeN`	`there isnt such a thing as a unit type group is there?`
`05:37.58`	`HyBReD`	`because of blend mode`
`05:38.07`	`FRoZeN`	`cause i really need that to make a lot of my triggers more dynamic`
`05:38.13`	`ShadowTiger`	`I personally use the data editor whenever possible, but some features arent available adn others are buggy... so triggers are required in the end, and they are simpler to make`
`05:38.24`	`Bemoliph`	`What couldn't you do that you wanted?`
`05:38.38`	`HyBReD`	`Bemoliph like i said, simple thinking is tt`
`05:38.45`	`Sholdak`	`what if you want to jump onto a cliff?`
`05:38.52`	`ShadowTiger`	`I couldnt make a unit that automatically targets cloaked units, only one that targets cloaked units that have been previously revealed`
`05:38.59`	`Sholdak`	`etc`
`05:38.59`	`HyBReD`	`Blizzard didnt program their abilities in the data editor`
`05:39.08`	`HyBReD`	`they programmed their abilities INTO the data editor`
`05:39.13`	`ShadowTiger`	`I couldnt make an attack-ground weapon`
`05:39.24`	`Sholdak`	`i disagree`
`05:39.36`	`Sholdak`	`95% of the abilities are not hardcoded in any way`
`05:39.36`	`Bemoliph`	`You can make things that attack the ground in the Data Editor`
`05:39.38`	`Bemoliph`	`I did it on accident`
`05:39.52`	`HyBReD`	`nothing is hardcoded sholdak`
`05:39.57`	`HyBReD`	`thats the beauty of the editor`
`05:39.58`	`Sholdak`	`as in, they are generic abilities + generic effects+ actors`
`05:39.58`	`ShadowTiger`	`how bemoliph?`
`05:39.59`	`Bemoliph`	`As for automatically targeting cloaked units, I'm not entirely sure`
`05:40.00`	`peterpants`	`can you make a data editor attack pull values from say a unit's custom value?`
`05:40.02`	`Bemoliph`	`It really depends on the context`
`05:40.05`	`Bemoliph`	`Does the unit have a target already?`
`05:40.20`	`ShadowTiger`	`I dont know`
`05:40.35`	`ShadowTiger`	`all i know is that once my turret starts attacking the unit, cloaking doesn't break the attack`
`05:40.42`	`ShadowTiger`	`it just wont start attacking a cloaked unit`
`05:40.50`	`Repo`	`New map: http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/grid-defence/. Grid Defence. lilboy98 (Manager/Author). Approved by vjeux.`
`05:40.54`	`Sholdak`	`i mean they made the data editor flexible enough where they could program their abilities in it without adding extra stuff`
`05:40.56`	`Bemoliph`	`So you want to be able to attack a unit you can't see?`
`05:41.00`	`ShadowTiger`	`yeah`
`05:41.05`	`HyBReD`	`yes sholdak`
`05:41.07`	`Sholdak`	`i dont think they added stuff to the data editor as they were creating abilities`
`05:41.07`	`ShadowTiger`	`I got rid of all the validators/target filters`
`05:41.12`	`peterpants`	`could you make a data editor effect that only effects a specific unit?`
`05:41.13`	`HyBReD`	`i disagree`
`05:41.16`	`Sholdak`	`in order to make room for them`
`05:41.27`	`HyBReD`	`i think they built a core for the data editor`
`05:41.30`	`HyBReD`	`with certaint hings in mind`
`05:41.38`	`HyBReD`	`and expanded on it`
`05:41.44`	`HyBReD`	`to create the gosuness that it is`
`05:41.47`	`ShadowTiger`	`It is obvious that they made the bare minimum to program all the multiplayer/campaign stuff, then added hero/item support and a few extras for map makers`
`05:42.33`	`Bemoliph`	`Even if that's the case, there is still a significant number of base classes you can choose from`
`05:42.34`	`Bemoliph`	`And combine`
`05:43.08`	`ShadowTiger`	`I'm not saying that there isnt a large amount of things you can do... i'm just saying that the editor is hard coded in functionality`
`05:43.13`	`Sholdak`	`i would say you can recreate every single ability in wc3`
`05:43.18`	`HyBReD`	`my point is`
`05:43.18`	`Sholdak`	`using just the data editor`
`05:43.22`	`Sholdak`	`+custom models of course`
`05:43.34`	`HyBReD`	`i very much doubt that the data editor is capapble of doing complicated spells`
`05:43.35`	`Sholdak`	`if that is true, would you still say they simply programmed it with sc2 abilites in mind?`
`05:43.37`	`HyBReD`	`such as ones in dota`
`05:43.41`	`Bemoliph`	`Give me a complicated spell`
`05:43.46`	`Bemoliph`	`That isn't stupid`
`05:43.53`	`Bemoliph`	`And I will go make it`
`05:43.59`	`Reactorex`	`In the data editor?`
`05:43.59`	`Sholdak`	`you can combine an arbitrary number of effects`
`05:44.04`	`Bemoliph`	`Yes, in the Data Editor`
`05:44.06`	`HyBReD`	`kik`
`05:44.07`	`Sholdak`	`+ durations, periodic events, etc`
`05:44.07`	`HyBReD`	`lol`
`05:44.12`	`Bemoliph`	`I am serious`
`05:44.23`	`HyBReD`	`create Omnislash`
`05:44.30`	`ShadowTiger`	`Make an autocast spell that targets cloaked units even when you have no vision : P`
`05:44.31`	`HyBReD`	`thats simple, and not dumb`
`05:44.32`	`Bemoliph`	`Describe Omnislash`
`05:44.38`	`Bemoliph`	`I have no idea what that is`
`05:44.46`	`HyBReD`	`you just blink to the unit and do x damage, blink to the next`
`05:44.47`	`HyBReD`	`x damage`
`05:44.57`	`Repo`	`Knowledge base page update: http://www.sc2mapster.com/api-docs/starcraft-ii-galaxy-editor-unofficial-documentation/ by Sc2Dude`
`05:44.58`	`peterpants`	`you have to have at least 2 targets ya?`
`05:44.59`	`HyBReD`	`very simple`
`05:45.03`	`HyBReD`	`no you can do one`
`05:45.05`	`ShadowTiger`	`or make an ability that lets reapers jump over buildings`
`05:45.07`	`HyBReD`	`it just uses all on one`
`05:45.09`	`HyBReD`	`oh`
`05:45.13`	`ShadowTiger`	`or lets collosus walk over buildings`
`05:45.15`	`Bemoliph`	`How many attacks?`
`05:45.24`	`HyBReD`	`5`
`05:45.27`	`Reactorex`	`I'm thinking an ability that grabs nearby units, flings them into the air, slams them down on the ground nearby, then does an icy explosion on them, has the caster stab them and then send them flying away from the caster.`
`05:45.30`	`ShadowTiger`	`all things I am unable to figure out in the editor...`
`05:45.33`	`HyBReD`	`i know that its possible in the data editor`
`05:45.33`	`FRoZeN`	`hybred random unit within area, tho that dosent make a big difference`
`05:45.36`	`HyBReD`	`so i dont know`
`05:45.49`	`HyBReD`	`more of a waste of your time Bemo`
`05:46.03`	`NoRoo`	`hmm`
`05:46.03`	`Bemoliph`	`Well, then give me a spell you think isn't a waste of time to prove is possible =P`
`05:46.20`	`Sholdak`	`omnislash is pretty easy actually`
`05:46.24`	`Reactorex`	`A spell that makes my breakfast. t_t`
`05:46.26`	`HyBReD`	`yes i know Sholdak`
`05:46.27`	`Sholdak`	`since you can just use zealot charge as reference`
`05:46.44`	`peterpants`	`i think zealot charge just increases movement speed`
`05:46.58`	`Bemoliph`	`It increases speed and also gives you that charge ability`
`05:47.11`	`Bemoliph`	`Blinking I would actually use Blink rather than Charge, though`
`05:47.15`	`Reactorex`	`It increases speed -and- does an auto-acquire run sort of thing.`
`05:47.19`	`Bemoliph`	`Unless you wanted to see the running, which isn't blinking`
`05:47.39`	`Sholdak`	`when i imagine omnislash, i think zealot charge would fit better`
`05:47.43`	`Sholdak`	`just wasnt possible in wc3`
`05:47.58`	`Sholdak`	`with the shitty pathing`
`05:48.02`	`Bemoliph`	`Ah`
`05:48.09`	*** join/#sc2mapster Griffith` (~Zeta@CPE002191074172-CM0013718d3546.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com)
`05:48.15`	`TheDudeAbides`	`hey guys, i need opinions`
`05:48.16`	`Bemoliph`	`By the way, just an amusing thought on the general debate`
`05:48.20`	`Reactorex`	`To modify a unit's armor, would I use "Modification - Life Armor Bonus" and "Modification - Shield Armor Bonus" together?`
`05:48.22`	`TheDudeAbides`	`we're trying to come up with a new structure for the wiki`
`05:48.27`	`TheDudeAbides`	`http://www.sc2mapster.com/api-docs/starcraft-ii-galaxy-editor-unofficial-documentation/`
`05:48.33`	`TheDudeAbides`	`this is a draft outline`
`05:48.37`	`TheDudeAbides`	`need comments`
`05:48.40`	`Tinker`	`Simple and not rediculous spell? Teleport to position while doing aoe damage over time and a radial knockback, with a nice fireburst animation :-P`
`05:48.47`	`Bemoliph`	`I didn't make maps for years and years in WC3, so probably a lot of it is indeed habit, like I said earlier`
`05:48.49`	`ShadowTiger`	`that brings up a good point`
`05:49.06`	`ShadowTiger`	`did anybody else notice that there is no shield armor factor and life armor factor, that these got combined for weapon effects?`
`05:49.08`	`peterpants`	`make lightwell in the data editor`
`05:49.14`	`Tinker`	`Damn, I really need to figure out events`
`05:49.17`	`Bemoliph`	`That is to say, I came into the Triggers versus Data Editor thing mostly unbiased`
`05:49.19`	`HyBReD`	`alot of dumb things got combined`
`05:49.35`	`HyBReD`	`Bemoliph im not as biased as you would think`
`05:49.38`	`HyBReD`	`i just know for a fact`
`05:49.43`	`HyBReD`	`that the trigger editor is more powerful`
`05:49.45`	`Bemoliph`	`Well, I don't mean it in that way`
`05:49.46`	`Reactorex`	`I've been doing chat command triggering for a while.`
`05:49.48`	`Sholdak`	`lightwell is probably not possible :p`
`05:49.59`	`HyBReD`	`so to me its a rather arbitrary debate`
`05:50.02`	`Reactorex`	`Explain lightwell, sholdak.`
`05:50.04`	`peterpants`	`or even guardian angel`
`05:50.04`	`molsterr`	`@<TheDudeAbides> def could use a large section for the actors alone`
`05:50.08`	`Bemoliph`	`I just mean I didn't have any attachment to the Triggers beforehand`
`05:50.12`	`molsterr`	`explaing each ability each actor can give.`
`05:50.14`	`HyBReD`	`clearly the data editor is going to work better and more effeciently`
`05:50.21`	`Sholdak`	`you create a unit that when clicked on heals your units`
`05:50.24`	`Reactorex`	`Like the WoW ability?`
`05:50.29`	`HyBReD`	`the trigger editor is just faster and able to do more`
`05:50.29`	`peterpants`	`yea`
`05:50.44`	`Reactorex`	`It's possible.`
`05:50.50`	`Reactorex`	`There's a click response in the data editor.`
`05:50.54`	`Sholdak`	`oh really?`
`05:50.56`	`peterpants`	`rly?`
`05:50.58`	`Reactorex`	`You can have it cast on click response, I think.`
`05:51.00`	`Sholdak`	`then i stand corrected`
`05:51.08`	`Reactorex`	`I just saw it a bit ago when looking at the critter explode stuff.`
`05:51.13`	`HyBReD`	`thedudeabides: wiki is a sloppy way of putting out code related stuff`
`05:51.15`	`HyBReD`	`i wouldnt waste your time`
`05:51.18`	`Reactorex`	`Yes, that's in the data editor. :P`
`05:51.18`	`Sholdak`	`ah, that makes sense`
`05:51.27`	`peterpants`	`this if click response is in there`
`05:51.28`	`Reactorex`	`critter explode and critter burrow, click responses.`
`05:51.29`	`TheDudeAbides`	`molsterr: yeah actors will be a hugee subsection`
`05:51.49`	`peterpants`	`is placing a buff on a unit that ressurects the unit if it dies possible in the data editor?`
`05:51.51`	`Sholdak`	`thedudeabides: we need a good template for describing object data modifications`
`05:51.56`	`Sholdak`	`without using pictures`
`05:52.01`	`Bemoliph`	`peterpants: Yes`
`05:52.03`	`Sholdak`	`as that's really difficult to read IMO`
`05:52.05`	`TheDudeAbides`	`hybred: i disagree, we can explain the trigger system pretty well`
`05:52.14`	`FRoZeN`	`there is a CbehaviorClickResponse in there yes`
`05:52.20`	`molsterr`	`@TheDudeAbides: goot to here, I think that and the triggers are the two biggest parts im looking forward to in the wikki`
`05:52.22`	`TheDudeAbides`	`as for builtins documentations, we could use doxygen or something like that`
`05:52.23`	`Reactorex`	`Although I dislike it, I'm leaving this discussion to get back to mapmaking.`
`05:52.24`	`molsterr`	`good&`
`05:52.25`	`Reactorex`	`Bai!`
`05:52.28`	`Sholdak`	`i would say we should use XML, but that might not be very newbie friendly`
`05:52.36`	`Reactorex`	`I'm also getting a terrible headache and that annoying pain behind your eyes.`
`05:53.22`	`HyBReD`	`i just think wiki is a really plain and boring way of explaining a rather complicated idea`
`05:53.28`	`HyBReD`	`plain and simple*`
`05:53.35`	`HyBReD`	`boring too, i guess`
`05:53.38`	`TheDudeAbides`	`how would you do it`
`05:53.44`	`HyBReD`	`something more interactive`
`05:53.50`	`TheDudeAbides`	`like?`
`05:53.51`	`HyBReD`	`and less-so a wall of text`
`05:54.10`	`TheDudeAbides`	`the only interactive thing i can think of is making triggers in the editor`
`05:54.12`	`FRoZeN`	`i personally think you get a lot from video tutorials`
`05:54.27`	`HyBReD`	`nah, i mean like`
`05:54.32`	`TheDudeAbides`	`the wiki would be to describe things like actions, conditions, definitions and etc`
`05:54.35`	`TheDudeAbides`	`to get people started`
`05:54.39`	`HyBReD`	`youre reading through something and it flows like a tutorial`
`05:54.43`	`HyBReD`	`except, interactive`
`05:54.45`	`HyBReD`	`but not a tutorial`
`05:54.48`	`HyBReD`	`if that makes any sense`
`05:55.00`	`TheDudeAbides`	`a wiki with code people can create in the editor as they read along`
`05:55.06`	`TheDudeAbides`	`to get a result at the end`
`05:55.14`	`HyBReD`	`stop saying wiki`
`05:55.15`	`HyBReD`	`:(`
`05:55.20`	`TheDudeAbides`	`wiki wiki wiki`
`05:55.28`	`TheDudeAbides`	`i mean`
`05:55.34`	`TheDudeAbides`	`theres not 200 ways to explain something`
`05:55.37`	`FRoZeN`	`hybred just dislikes wikis and data editors :P`
`05:55.42`	`HyBReD`	`i love wikis`
`05:55.45`	`HyBReD`	`i just hate development ones`
`05:55.50`	`JamSandwich`	`noob question: how do I add a feild to a unit type? For instance I have created a new unit, and want that unit to be able to keep track of how many points it has. Then once it has enough points, it can exchange the points for a new weapon or such.`
`05:55.55`	`TheDudeAbides`	`i learned a lot from wikipedia about design patterns i use in C++`
`05:55.55`	`JamSandwich`	`any help appreciated )`
`05:56.00`	`JamSandwich`	`:)`
`05:56.04`	`TheDudeAbides`	`like the observer pattern, factory pattern, etc`
`05:56.09`	`TheDudeAbides`	`how else than reading would you learn them`
`05:56.20`	`molsterr`	`A wiki is a great way to do it, and it does not have to be a wall of text`
`05:56.25`	`TheDudeAbides`	`a little graph helps, but you need text to understand its elements`
`05:56.41`	`TheDudeAbides`	`the real learning takes place when you put that written theory in practice in the editor`
`05:56.45`	`peterpants`	`if i had an ability that targetted 1 unit and dealt 1 damage and say i wanted to add two upgrades, one that could increase the # of targets and 1 that could increase the damage, how would you do that in the data editor? the upgrade part`
`05:56.50`	`HyBReD`	`k so for example`
`05:56.52`	`molsterr`	`simply putting the "Action" name, then the simple example of how its used, simple 2 lines of text for faster lookers, then another page with the "wall of text" for the more advanced useres`
`05:56.57`	`HyBReD`	`you have a section on Conditions`
`05:57.01`	`HyBReD`	`you click it`
`05:57.09`	`TheDudeAbides`	`a page, not a section`
`05:57.10`	`TheDudeAbides`	`:D`
`05:57.15`	`HyBReD`	`you have a rough description of what a condition is`
`05:57.22`	`HyBReD`	`and then under it an expandable "Detailed" version`
`05:57.27`	`HyBReD`	`and then under that`
`05:57.38`	`TheDudeAbides`	`the galaxy code it generates`
`05:57.40`	`HyBReD`	`an interactive version of somewhat like what you would see when youre creating a new condiion`
`05:57.42`	`TheDudeAbides`	`and finally a real world example`
`05:57.48`	`HyBReD`	`and then every single condiion`
`05:57.49`	`HyBReD`	`condition`
`05:57.53`	`HyBReD`	`explained in a real world fasion`
`05:57.54`	`Sholdak`	`peterpants: one way is to simply create 4 abilities`
`05:57.56`	`HyBReD`	`fashion`
`05:58.00`	`Sholdak`	`one for each combination`
`05:58.03`	`TheDudeAbides`	`nah`
`05:58.19`	`TheDudeAbides`	`describing a concept and documenting all the builtin implementations are different pagges`
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`05:58.28`	`peterpants`	`well that gets bad if say oyu wanted 15 levels up upgrade for each`
`05:58.34`	`molsterr`	`is there a way to whisper someone using this webcaht irc?`
`05:58.37`	`TheDudeAbides`	`people who want documentation about a given condition dont need to read what a condition is`
`05:58.48`	`TheDudeAbides`	`and you dont want to confuse people learning conditions with shitloads of builtins`
`05:58.50`	`HyBReD`	`its not about documentation`
`05:58.58`	`HyBReD`	`its about helping out retards`
`05:59.01`	`HyBReD`	`or new guys`
`05:59.02`	`Bemoliph`	`molsterr: /query Name Message or /msg Name Message`
`05:59.08`	`Motive`	`lolol retards`
`05:59.09`	`TheDudeAbides`	`there isnt many combination of conditions`
`05:59.14`	`molsterr`	`thank you bemoliph`
`05:59.14`	`HyBReD`	`a wiki isnt going to teach guys who know what they're doing already`
`05:59.19`	`HyBReD`	`much`
`05:59.21`	`TheDudeAbides`	`other than saying its a function that returns a bool`
`05:59.27`	`Motive`	`Honestly I learned the WC3 editor by opening maps and seeing how they did stuff.`
`05:59.30`	`molsterr`	`a wiki will....`
`05:59.31`	`HyBReD`	`not really`
`05:59.32`	`TheDudeAbides`	`yeah hybred`
`05:59.32`	`Motive`	`It's the best way imo.`
`05:59.40`	`molsterr`	`how do you think people learn basic programming from books?`
`05:59.42`	`molsterr`	`same thing`
`05:59.52`	`TheDudeAbides`	`we'll also have pages for builtins`
`05:59.54`	`Sholdak`	`easier to search a wiki then find a map that does what you wanted`
`05:59.54`	`Motive`	`I learned programming by looking at other people's code. Lol`
`05:59.55`	`HyBReD`	`i cant learn from a book`
`06:00.05`	`Motive`	`I agree, HyBReD.`
`06:00.05`	`TheDudeAbides`	`how do you think people learn about APIs`
`06:00.06`	`HyBReD`	`i learn from real world examples`
`06:00.08`	`Bifuu`	`yay i can finally take a piss now! brb`
`06:00.10`	`TheDudeAbides`	`they read documentations`
`06:00.14`	`molsterr`	`books have real world examples`
`06:00.15`	`TheDudeAbides`	`documentation != book`
`06:00.17`	`TheDudeAbides`	`yet its written`
`06:00.19`	`Motive`	`APIs come with example code most of the time. :P`
`06:00.19`	`molsterr`	`so would the wikki`
`06:00.20`	`HyBReD`	`Oh, I need to know how to do this > go see a real world verison`
`06:00.30`	`Sholdak`	`any good documentation has examples`
`06:00.33`	`FrozenFirebat`	`sweet... I took the wasd movement concept... and made instead of just ordering a unit to move to location in front of them, it would apply a behavior that increased it's speed by 0.25 every 0.1 second... each stack only lasts 1 second, so you max at 2.5 speed and decelerate when you let go instead of just stop... looks more dynamic... i'm proud XD`
`06:00.37`	`TheDudeAbides`	`yeah`
`06:00.40`	`HyBReD`	`and eventually you know your way around the editor enough where you dont need to move around alot`
`06:00.44`	`TheDudeAbides`	`but sometimes seeing an example only shows one use`
`06:00.53`	`Sholdak`	`I mean have you ever used MSDN for example?`
`06:00.54`	`TheDudeAbides`	`seeing the documentation allows an experienced developper to think of new uses`
`06:00.57`	`Motive`	`So you combine the example with the API.`
`06:01.01`	`Sholdak`	`i'd say that's what we ideally want`
`06:01.04`	`TheDudeAbides`	`i use msdn ALL the time`
`06:01.12`	`Motive`	`MSDN makes me puke.`
`06:01.19`	`HyBReD`	`msdn is : (`
`06:01.33`	`FRoZeN`	`basicly only to look up something specific`
`06:01.34`	`TheDudeAbides`	`i eat through doxygen generated documentations every day too`
`06:01.34`	`Sholdak`	`better than most other api doc systems i've seen though`
`06:01.37`	`TheDudeAbides`	`yeah`
`06:01.40`	`HyBReD`	`im a huge fan of Adobes way of documentation`
`06:01.42`	`FRoZeN`	`you cant learn anything from msdn imo`
`06:01.43`	`HyBReD`	`its very, very clear cut`
`06:01.45`	`Motive`	`ewww adobe`
`06:01.47`	`TheDudeAbides`	`but experienced developpers only want to look up something specific`
`06:02.09`	`HyBReD`	`anytime i have an issue with something in as3 or flex`
`06:02.10`	`TheDudeAbides`	`i dont want to know how to use a function when i only need to see its prototype and have its arguments explained`
`06:02.13`	`Motive`	`Experienced developers can usually figure out what something is doing w/o documentation. That's not an excuse for a complete lack of it, but yeah.`
`06:02.28`	`TheDudeAbides`	`yeah motive`
`06:02.32`	`HyBReD`	`i can just go look it up and have it very detailed explaination of what it does and how it could operate`
`06:02.35`	`Sholdak`	`Motive: why would spend an hour figuring out how something works`
`06:02.35`	`TheDudeAbides`	`but its a longer process`
`06:02.38`	`Sholdak`	`when someone already did it`
`06:02.42`	`Motive`	`well that's the thing. it doesn't take an hour.`
`06:02.42`	`Sholdak`	`and you can just look it up`
`06:02.45`	`Motive`	`it takes 5 minutes or less.`
`06:02.49`	`TheDudeAbides`	`i mean take the C fopen() call`
`06:02.53`	`TheDudeAbides`	`and try to figure its arguments`
`06:02.56`	`TheDudeAbides`	`without documentation`
`06:02.58`	`Motive`	`I love fopen`
`06:03.00`	`TheDudeAbides`	`or printf`
`06:03.06`	`Motive`	`they're easy with example code`
`06:03.09`	`FRoZeN`	`frozenfirebat im also proud of you btw`
`06:03.13`	`TheDudeAbides`	`yeah`
`06:03.13`	`Motive`	`printf("The number is %u.", myNumber);`
`06:03.17`	`Motive`	`if you can't figure that out in 5 seconds fail.`
`06:03.20`	`TheDudeAbides`	`and much easier with a graph of all the % args`
`06:03.25`	`TheDudeAbides`	`no i mean`
`06:03.25`	`Sholdak`	`except printf has a dozen possible args`
`06:03.27`	`TheDudeAbides`	`without docs`
`06:03.34`	`Motive`	`No, it has 1 main arg and then ...`
`06:03.39`	`TheDudeAbides`	`what you see is void printf(const char*, ...);`
`06:03.40`	`Sholdak`	`you know what i mean :p`
`06:03.45`	`TheDudeAbides`	`make sense of the function from only that`
`06:03.48`	`TheDudeAbides`	`oops, you cant :)`
`06:03.52`	`Motive`	`yes you can`
`06:04.00`	`Motive`	`print - so it prints to the screen`
`06:04.02`	`Motive`	`"f" means format`
`06:04.10`	`Motive`	`... means you can pass additional parameters that are substituted`
`06:04.14`	`TheDudeAbides`	`yeah`
`06:04.14`	`Motive`	`it's possible. :P`
`06:04.24`	`TheDudeAbides`	`but go and deduce the %i and %s and %% and etc`
`06:04.33`	`Motive`	`%i for integer, not hard in itself`
`06:04.35`	`Motive`	`%u for unsigned`
`06:04.35`	`TheDudeAbides`	`from "const char* fmt"`
`06:04.36`	`Motive`	`etc`
`06:04.37`	`TheDudeAbides`	`yeah`
`06:04.40`	`TheDudeAbides`	`cause you already know it`
`06:04.41`	`molsterr`	`did you get that wall of text thedudeabides duno if it worked.`
`06:04.44`	`HyBReD`	`http://community.adobe.com/help/search.html?searchterm=mouse+coordinates+flash&q=mouse+coordinates+flash&l=flash_product_adobelr&x=0&y=0&area=0&lr=en_US&hl=en_US`
`06:04.45`	`*** join/#sc2mapster Odonen (~186bd1e7@gateway/web/freenode/x-yksdechmonffjcxg)`
`06:04.46`	`HyBReD`	`perfection`
`06:04.56`	`TheDudeAbides`	`yeah molsterr`
`06:05.52`	`HyBReD`	`http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/spry/samples/data_region/NestedXMLDataSample.html`
`06:06.52`	`JamSandwich`	`how can I add variables to a unit type so that all instances of that unit have their own variable they keep track of. (an integer variable is what i want?`
`06:06.59`	`JamSandwich`	`thanks for any help :)`
`06:07.02`	`Motive`	`what?`
`06:07.14`	`JamSandwich`	`ive created a custom unit`
`06:07.24`	`Motive`	`you can't natively bind a variable to a unit type.`
`06:07.32`	`Motive`	`you have to work around that. this isn't an OO language.`
`06:07.39`	`JamSandwich`	`ok`
`06:07.41`	`Motive`	`you can get the unit type as a string and say, create a data table with`
`06:07.49`	`Motive`	`"myUnitType" -> "adawdawdawdmyvariable data here"`
`06:08.01`	`Sholdak`	`well actually you can use SetCatalogData`
`06:08.05`	`Motive`	`oh snap`
`06:08.07`	`Sholdak`	`to set some kind of unit field`
`06:08.18`	`Motive`	`that's probably better, yeah`
`06:08.19`	`Sholdak`	`like editor string or something that will never be used or change nothing`
`06:08.28`	`ShadowTiger`	`Or you can use an array : )`
`06:08.50`	`JamSandwich`	`will set catalouge data make a new type show up in the data editor? that is what i really want`
`06:09.03`	`Sholdak`	`it modifies an existing one`
`06:09.04`	`Motive`	`o_O`
`06:09.14`	`JamSandwich`	`is there a way to create a new one?`
`06:09.20`	`Sholdak`	`nope`
`06:09.34`	`JamSandwich`	`mmm. thats kinda lame.`
`06:09.37`	`ShadowTiger`	`you can make new unit types... but not with triggers`
`06:09.43`	`ShadowTiger`	`why do you need to make unit-types mid-game?`
`06:09.53`	`Motive`	`think of the havoc you could create :/`
`06:10.04`	`JamSandwich`	`no not with triggers, i didnt say that :)`
`06:10.10`	`ShadowTiger`	`unless you wanted to make a map where people could make their own units`
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`06:10.15`	`Motive`	`"variable" implies by triggers`
`06:10.18`	`Motive`	`since variables only exist in triggers.`
`06:10.27`	`ShadowTiger`	`well you just create a new unit in the data editor... and that is a unit-type`
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`06:10.58`	`JamSandwich`	`ive done that, but i dont know how to give it its own attribute types.`
`06:11.02`	`ShadowTiger`	`the concept of unit-types only makes sense in the context of triggers, where unique units have unique data... in the data editor there is only unit-types`
`06:11.17`	`ShadowTiger`	`well tell me what the end result in gameplay that you want`
`06:11.19`	`JamSandwich`	`ok, so i mean unit type then`
`06:11.19`	`ShadowTiger`	`is`
`06:11.46`	`JamSandwich`	`in the editor i will place a bunch of my custom units on the map...`
`06:12.08`	`JamSandwich`	`and as the game progresses i want to be able to give each unit an ammount of gold`
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`06:12.15`	`JamSandwich`	`which each unit canspend on weapons`
`06:12.20`	`Hybred-droid`	`Test`
`06:12.25`	`HyBReD`	`rofl`
`06:12.26`	`HyBReD`	`badass`
`06:12.30`	`peterpants`	`i wish i had the search effect functionality in the trigger editor`
`06:12.49`	`HyBReD`	`hm`
`06:12.52`	`HyBReD`	`it doesnt run in background though`
`06:12.53`	`HyBReD`	`thats ...`
`06:12.55`	`HyBReD`	`not good`
`06:13.07`	`ShadowTiger`	`droid does...`
`06:13.08`	`JamSandwich`	`so basically im trying to get a variable to keep track of how much gold each unit has at this point`
`06:13.22`	`Sholdak`	`isnt that on a per-unit basis then?`
`06:13.27`	`Sholdak`	`not per-unit type`
`06:13.28`	`JamSandwich`	`yes`
`06:13.40`	`ShadowTiger`	`well if you only need 1 variable to keep track of`
`06:13.47`	`JamSandwich`	`each unit will have its own allowance of gold`
`06:13.47`	`ShadowTiger`	`simple use the unit- custom value`
`06:13.47`	`Sholdak`	`just use UnitSetCustomValue`
`06:13.48`	`Sholdak`	`then`
`06:14.00`	`ShadowTiger`	`if you need more than 1 variable later... simple use arrays`
`06:14.14`	`JamSandwich`	`oh ok, ill go take a look at that.`
`06:14.15`	`JamSandwich`	`thanks!`
`06:14.42`	`ShadowTiger`	`speaking of which... why didnt blizzard make the custom value an array...`
`06:14.53`	`Motive`	`custom value is an array`
`06:15.27`	`ShadowTiger`	`oh really? i havent used it yet`
`06:15.31`	`ShadowTiger`	`just assumed it was wc3 style`
`06:15.32`	`Motive`	`yup`
`06:15.39`	`ShadowTiger`	`nice`
`06:15.45`	`Motive`	`I gave every unit in my map a unique GUID and some other stuff :)`
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`06:16.02`	`HyBReD`	`grr`
`06:16.09`	`Motive`	`droid. :O`
`06:16.19`	`HyBReD`	`this irc app blows`
`06:16.22`	`HyBReD`	`time to find a new one`
`06:16.23`	`HyBReD`	`>.>`
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`06:16.41`	`ShadowTiger`	`i know darkblizz has bnet bots... mebbe you can get a good irc one there`
`06:16.55`	`Motive`	`nah`
`06:16.59`	`Motive`	`mIRC is good for Windows.`
`06:17.03`	`Motive`	`Colloquy is good for Macs.`
`06:17.11`	`HyBReD`	`this is an Android phone`
`06:17.18`	`HyBReD`	`doesnt need to be roubust`
`06:17.19`	`Motive`	`oh well I dunno about android`
`06:17.21`	`Motive`	`LOL`
`06:17.23`	`HyBReD`	`and i use Pidgin for irc on my pc`
`06:17.27`	`HyBReD`	`:p`
`06:17.30`	`Motive`	`Pidgin's great but it sucks at IRC`
`06:17.31`	`HyBReD`	`gets the job done`
`06:17.33`	`HyBReD`	`and isnt annoying`
`06:17.35`	`HyBReD`	`it doesnt suck`
`06:17.47`	`Motive`	`It used to at least.`
`06:18.12`	`ShadowTiger`	`web-based client ftw`
`06:18.34`	`ShadowTiger`	`I dont want to install those icky clients on my computer`
`06:18.54`	`Motive`	`web-based sucks even more. lolol`
`06:18.59`	`Motive`	`except maybe CGI IRC.`
`06:19.13`	`HyBReD`	`LOL`
`06:19.15`	`HyBReD`	`web based irc`
`06:19.16`	`HyBReD`	`id kill myself`
`06:19.17`	`ShadowTiger`	`skype and windows live raped my windows install`
`06:19.35`	`ShadowTiger`	`since then i have become cautious`
`06:19.40`	`peterpants`	`i like xchat`
`06:19.46`	`Repo`	`New map: http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/my-shooter/. My Shooter. gkill25 (Manager/Author). Experimental. Approved by sixen.`
`06:19.55`	`Motive`	`meh.`
`06:20.12`	`Motive`	`I've never had a problem securing or maintaining Windows, Mac, or Linux.`
`06:20.43`	`FRoZeN`	`is there a way to see only stuff you have changed in the data editor?`
`06:20.56`	`Motive`	`no but you can set it to view data defined in your map file only`
`06:21.00`	`Motive`	`or mod, etc.`
`06:21.18`	`FRoZeN`	`ahh`
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`06:23.03`	`Sixen`	`I'm 11-0 in the Beta.`
`06:23.08`	`Sixen`	`Two platinum leagues`
`06:23.08`	`Sixen`	`:)`
`06:23.12`	`Jcup`	`>.< Has anyone had any luck with rotating a tanks turret using triggers yet?`
`06:23.15`	`Motive`	`hax`
`06:23.22`	`Sixen`	`:)`
`06:23.33`	`FRoZeN`	`motive where can i find that?`
`06:23.43`	`Motive`	`it's in a drop down list at the top of the data editor`
`06:24.02`	`Motive`	`if you click it it has a list of mods like Liberty, LibertyMulti, and your map`
`06:24.11`	`ShadowTiger`	`all this and more will be revealed in my upcoming tutorial vid...`
`06:25.24`	`NeoDeathXp`	`ugh found a annoying bug`
`06:25.27`	`FRoZeN`	`motive.. lol finally found it`
`06:25.34`	`Motive`	`:D`
`06:25.38`	`FRoZeN`	`was looking in all the wrong places`
`06:25.51`	`FRoZeN`	`thx`
`06:25.53`	`Motive`	`Lookin' for mods in all the wrwong placesssss`
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`06:26.19`	`HyBReD-Droid`	`test`
`06:26.31`	`NeoDeathXp`	`if you create a item with stacking buffs, equip more than 1 of the items (like 3) and take one off, the buff goes away completly`
`06:28.02`	`Repo`	`New knowledge base page: http://wiki.sc2mapster.com/galaxy/ by sixen`
`06:28.12`	`ShadowTiger`	`do you know if that happens if you just cast the buffs with units?`
`06:28.13`	`heysparky`	`Bifuu and Bemoliph, thanks tons for helping with the Pin Crawler.`
`06:28.15`	`picklefish`	`hey sixen how hard is it to move a map to an asset?`
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`06:28.53`	`HyBReD-Droid`	`Ahh much better`
`06:29.20`	`Sixen`	`Well pickle..`
`06:29.31`	`Sixen`	`I was just talking to ckk and kaelten about stuffl ike thtat today`
`06:29.42`	`Bifuu`	`np heysparky`
`06:30.44`	`picklefish`	`Yeah I put my "library" in maps accidentally`
`06:30.54`	`picklefish`	`best thing to would probably just be to delete it and remake :/`
`06:31.08`	`Motive`	`My library also has a map with the same name.`
`06:31.12`	`Motive`	`Woot for confusing people. :D`
`06:31.23`	`Sixen`	`pickle, did I already approve it? :X`
`06:31.31`	`picklefish`	`It's PicklefishStore`
`06:31.48`	`picklefish`	`http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/picklefishstore/`
`06:32.16`	`HyBReD`	`HyBReD-Droid`
`06:32.23`	`HyBReD`	`HyBReD-Droid`
`06:32.43`	`HyBReD`	`coolio`
`06:33.02`	`Sixen`	`pickly, lets see..`
`06:33.40`	`Sixen`	`Wow I can't wait until we implement the new category system`
`06:33.44`	`Sixen`	`I can't move from Maps -> assets`
`06:33.46`	`Sixen`	`-_-`
`06:33.52`	`picklefish`	`no worries`
`06:33.59`	`picklefish`	`can I just remake it?`
`06:34.00`	`Sixen`	`Just create a new project, I can delete your map if you want`
`06:34.01`	`Sixen`	`yeah`
`06:34.02`	`picklefish`	`and delete old`
`06:34.04`	`picklefish`	`sounsd good`
`06:34.25`	`Sixen`	`lemme know when`
`06:35.12`	`Dustin`	`I just had the best fucking idea ever for a sc2 map`
`06:35.29`	`molsterr`	`sounds good so far dustin rofl.`
`06:36.21`	`Dustin`	`Anyone ever played gunbound?`
`06:36.33`	`molsterr`	`many years ago =)`
`06:36.50`	`picklefish`	`sixen go ahead and delete the old :)`
`06:37.03`	`picklefish`	`http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/picklefishstore/`
`06:37.11`	`DaveKap_`	`hey Sixen`
`06:37.55`	`Dustin`	`Im going to make a gun bound style map`
`06:38.02`	`DaveKap_`	`I was wondering if you could change the default "version" picker for map uploading from "Release" to "Alpha" so sc2.curse doesn't pick up any map made by someone who didn't properly set that dropdown`
`06:38.03`	`Dustin`	`using terrain deformation`
`06:38.23`	`DaveKap_`	`saw at least one "someone help me with this crashing map" on sc2.curse`
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`06:40.09`	`molsterr`	`looks like ill need to get an iphone irc app now.`
`06:42.05`	`Sixen`	`Hai`
`06:42.19`	`picklefish`	`Sixen you can delete the /map/ one now http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/picklefishstore/`
`06:42.50`	`Sixen`	`Got it`
`06:42.56`	`Sixen`	`see ifo you can see it`
`06:43.44`	`picklefish`	`403 forbidden, thanks :)`
`06:45.09`	`FRoZeN`	`Anyone got a good name for a supply upgrade technology for protoss? :)`
`06:45.32`	`DaveKap_`	`Sixen you read what I said?`
`06:45.35`	`Sixen`	`Psi Upgrade`
`06:45.39`	`Odonen`	`what does the options labeled "Scale Reaction" do under the Impact Map+ for an effect?`
`06:45.42`	`picklefish`	`PsiFarm`
`06:45.43`	`Sixen`	`oh`
`06:45.54`	`peterpants`	`super pylons`
`06:46.26`	`FRoZeN`	`thx`
`06:46.33`	`picklefish`	`HydroPsi`
`06:46.38`	`Sixen`	`Yeah Dave, i'll talk to ckk about changing that for now`
`06:46.44`	`DaveKap_`	`cool thanks :)`
`06:47.03`	`Sixen`	`=]`
`06:47.08`	`Grum`	`<DaveKap_>, use git/svn, everything should be alpha by default`
`06:47.15`	`DaveKap_`	`hah`
`06:47.20`	`DaveKap_`	`I just use the site`
`06:47.27`	`DaveKap_`	`and the map upload page has release by default`
`06:47.34`	`DaveKap_`	`s'all I'm sayin :)`
`06:47.36`	`Bifuu`	`hey Dustin`
`06:47.40`	`Grum`	`which is logical`
`06:47.49`	`Dustin`	`sup`
`06:47.49`	`Repo`	`New asset: http://www.sc2mapster.com/assets/picklefish-store/. PicklefishStore. Picklefish (Manager/Author). Approved by sixen.`
`06:47.49`	`DaveKap_`	`what, release by default is logical?`
`06:47.50`	`Grum`	`when you manually upload s omething its almost always a new release`
`06:47.52`	`Bifuu`	`GJ getting a husky Review =P`
`06:47.53`	`Repo`	`New map: http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/nuke-whales-2/. Nuke the Whales 2. Hiren (Manager/Author). Approved by sixen.`
`06:47.56`	`DaveKap_`	`ah no Grum`
`06:47.57`	`picklefish`	`Thanks Sixen :)`
`06:48.00`	`Dustin`	`I got a husky review?`
`06:48.04`	`DaveKap_`	`I mean the drop-down for "is this release, beta, or alpha"`
`06:48.09`	`Bifuu`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aB12Gy9zuFs`
`06:48.28`	`DaveKap_`	`even if you just place a map to test why it's crashing if you don't pay attention it defaults to "release" even though it's not in a release state`
`06:48.31`	`DaveKap_`	`and that filters over to sc2.curse`
`06:48.37`	`Grum`	`DaveKap: once more. manual uploads are considered releases and that makes sense, why else would you upload it? you'd use git or svn for alphas etc`
`06:48.39`	`Sixen`	`Oh congrats dustin`
`06:48.40`	`Sixen`	`;)`
`06:48.40`	`DaveKap_`	`so people who just want to play maps are seeing "why does this crash" stuff`
`06:48.49`	`Dustin`	`nice!`
`06:48.57`	`Dustin`	`oh way old version to hehe`
`06:48.58`	`DaveKap_`	`well`
`06:49.13`	`DaveKap_`	`as someone who only recently came to the site I had absolutely no indication that I should be using git/svn to upload my maps`
`06:49.14`	`Bifuu`	`Husky is so funny haha`
`06:49.25`	`DaveKap_`	`I saw an easy to use interface and just decided to use that`
`06:49.34`	`Bifuu`	`"...then I think that's? awesome.. yeah, cause I thi- OH MY GOODNESS is that an ultralisk!? runawayrunawayrunaway!"`
`06:50.24`	`Sixen`	`lol`
`06:51.28`	`Bifuu`	`i need to finish my mini game map`
`06:51.42`	`Bifuu`	`But too late to even think about it now`
`06:52.23`	`Motive`	`oh my god I love datatable`
`06:52.37`	`Motive`	`I love it.`
`06:52.39`	`picklefish`	`:)`
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`06:52.53`	`picklefish`	`Motive if you could actually initialize them and see them they would be 100x better`
`06:52.54`	`Grum`	`what datatable? :D`
`06:52.56`	`Motive`	`just reduced the code in my command handler by like 80%`
`06:53.16`	`picklefish`	`why not just use an array?`
`06:53.23`	`Motive`	`arrays require searching by index`
`06:53.28`	`Motive`	`which uses more CPU`
`06:53.29`	`picklefish`	`true`
`06:53.32`	`Motive`	`t = DataTableGetTrigger( true, "libcrtx_commands_" + sub );`
`06:53.34`	`Motive`	`fuck yeah :D`
`06:53.35`	`picklefish`	`not substantially more`
`06:53.41`	`picklefish`	`if you're typing in a command`
`06:53.41`	`Motive`	`well with my application, yes.`
`06:53.47`	`picklefish`	`lol`
`06:54.04`	`picklefish`	`I believe you, I just wish there were a "table view" in the editor`
`06:54.15`	`Motive`	`table view is for WIMPS.`
`06:54.17`	`picklefish`	`that you could initialize entries`
`06:54.48`	`picklefish`	`oh are you writing galaxy code? crazy`
`06:54.56`	`molsterr`	`well its 3 am, im off for the night, GL everyone.`
`06:55.00`	`Motive`	`yeah`
`06:55.04`	`Motive`	`I have an init method for my chat commands`
`06:55.37`	`Dustin`	`Ohh nice review!`
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`06:56.07`	`picklefish`	`I'm still confused about how chat commands are cpu intensive`
`06:56.09`	`Motive`	`http://pastebin.com/LwVQaes9`
`06:56.16`	`Motive`	`that's only about 1/4th of the commands I will need`
`06:56.17`	`picklefish`	`unless you're fireing like 100 chat commands a second`
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`06:56.19`	`Motive`	`now imagine having an array of them.`
`06:56.26`	`Motive`	`and having ot search through all of them`
`06:56.28`	`Motive`	`every time a player types one`
`06:56.35`	`Motive`	`also I plan on doing nested commands too soon`
`06:56.44`	`Motive`	`like @spawn 24 {@getspawntype}`
`06:56.46`	`picklefish`	`no you're defeinitely doing it correctly`
`06:56.47`	`Motive`	`so efficiency will matter :P`
`06:57.05`	`picklefish`	`wow I'm really impressed by the coding`
`06:57.11`	`Grum`	`Motive: haha nice`
`06:57.12`	`picklefish`	`can you not do what you want with the editor?`
`06:57.16`	`Motive`	`nope`
`06:57.16`	`Motive`	`LOL`
`06:57.23`	`Grum`	`you can`
`06:57.24`	`Motive`	`well I could but it'd be ugly as hell`
`06:57.57`	`picklefish`	`looks like your creating a test harness for testing maps?`
`06:58.00`	`picklefish`	`looks pretty solid`
`06:58.03`	`Motive`	`nope`
`06:58.07`	`Motive`	`this is part of the playable map :P`
`06:58.14`	`picklefish`	`haha gotcha`
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`06:59.13`	`picklefish`	`I kind of want to learn .galaxy now`
`06:59.18`	`picklefish`	`seems a LOT more efficient`
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`07:03.04`	`Bifuu`	`Are the comment systems for maps fucked up?`
`07:03.14`	`Bifuu`	`cuz like`
`07:03.15`	`Bifuu`	`http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/defend-your-command-center/`
`07:03.20`	`Bifuu`	`those comments confuse me`
`07:03.53`	`Bifuu`	`you dont build on my map`
`07:03.58`	`Bifuu`	`And its not a shooter`
`07:04.34`	`picklefish`	`Motive: are you typing that up in MilkyWay?`
`07:04.35`	`ShadowTiger`	`well if you click to kill enemies`
`07:04.39`	`ShadowTiger`	`then its kind of like a shooter`
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`07:04.41`	`Motive`	`no, TextEdit on the Mac`
`07:04.42`	`Motive`	`<3`
`07:04.43`	`ShadowTiger`	`but yeah obviously no building`
`07:04.46`	`picklefish`	`haha crazy`
`07:04.52`	`NoRoo`	`alright`
`07:04.55`	`NoRoo`	`finally new ship added`
`07:04.58`	`NoRoo`	`directions added`
`07:05.04`	`NoRoo`	`sound effects cleaned up a bit`
`07:05.10`	`NoRoo`	`time for another multiplayer run :D`
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`07:06.15`	`picklefish`	`I am going to bed noroo, otherwise I totally would`
`07:06.18`	`NoRoo`	`damn`
`07:06.24`	`NoRoo`	`I still need a video of this thing`
`07:06.30`	`picklefish`	`played a noobie tournament tonight and it stress/tired me out`
`07:06.44`	`picklefish`	`yeah :(`
`07:07.14`	`NoRoo`	`Any one else want to give a map a shot? It's pretty fun`
`07:08.52`	`NoRoo`	`hmm, kinda slow in here tonight`
`07:08.54`	`FRoZeN`	`anyone worked with arrays?`
`07:09.02`	`picklefish`	`frozen I have A LOT`
`07:09.10`	`NoRoo`	`yes same here`
`07:09.15`	`NoRoo`	`lots and lots of arrays`
`07:09.27`	`FRoZeN`	`i cant figure out how to solve my problem here, might not be as much an array problem but here goes`
`07:09.43`	`FRoZeN`	`i have a "any unit enters region" event`
`07:09.50`	`FRoZeN`	`and i want to check the unit type in my condition`
`07:09.54`	`picklefish`	`yup`
`07:10.10`	`NoRoo`	`okay`
`07:10.11`	`FRoZeN`	`it has to be != "unittype"`
`07:10.17`	`FRoZeN`	`so far so good`
`07:10.20`	`picklefish`	`mhm`
`07:10.33`	`NoRoo`	`so you want all unit types except for one to pass the condition`
`07:10.34`	`FRoZeN`	`problem is i want it a bit dynamic so i would like to put an array of unit types in there`
`07:10.51`	`NoRoo`	`move it out of the conditions`
`07:10.54`	`ShadowTiger`	`okay`
`07:10.57`	`NoRoo`	`and iterate through an array of unit types`
`07:11.05`	`NoRoo`	`an array of type "unit type"`
`07:11.08`	`ShadowTiger`	`just make a loop that goes through your array of unit types, then comapres each one`
`07:11.19`	`FRoZeN`	`true`
`07:11.26`	`FRoZeN`	`i could do that`
`07:11.31`	`FRoZeN`	`so its more like a foreach`
`07:11.38`	`ShadowTiger`	`yeah`
`07:12.00`	`NoRoo`	`you could also more clumsily put conditions for each unit type, and have each condition in an "or" condition`
`07:12.02`	`picklefish`	`the way I mimic dynamic arrays is by having a 64 index array`
`07:12.06`	`picklefish`	`(I'll never reach 64)`
`07:12.07`	`NoRoo`	`so any of them being true will pass the conditions`
`07:12.09`	`ShadowTiger`	`you could also use the unit type- property perhaps`
`07:12.10`	`picklefish`	`and a "size"`
`07:12.14`	`ShadowTiger`	`if all those unit types have something in common`
`07:12.20`	`picklefish`	`and I just loop from 0 to size-1`
`07:12.35`	`NoRoo`	`there's no such thing as a dynamic array :P`
`07:12.42`	`JamSandwich`	`what is the "create unit" function again?`
`07:12.45`	`picklefish`	`I said how I MIMIX`
`07:12.48`	`NoRoo`	`arrays are a very rigid data type by definition`
`07:12.49`	`picklefish`	`MIMIC`
`07:12.56`	`JamSandwich`	`i cant seem to find it in the api`
`07:13.00`	`ShadowTiger`	`well, you make arrays dynamic by copying/destroying them`
`07:13.14`	`FRoZeN`	`ye`
`07:13.19`	`NoRoo`	`ShadowTiger: that's not dynamic, that's reallocation`
`07:13.33`	`FRoZeN`	`but actually i guess what i wanted to do was make my triggers more dynamic, not the array itself`
`07:13.38`	`NoRoo`	`linked lists are a dynamic data structure by contrast`
`07:13.49`	`ShadowTiger`	`i guess`
`07:13.54`	`FRoZeN`	`cause like, everytime i find some new unit that these triggers apply to, (or dont apply to) its just easier to add it to the array`
`07:13.58`	`NoRoo`	`FRoZeN: of those two solutions, neither is acceptable?`
`07:15.00`	`picklefish`	`Frozen`
`07:15.04`	`FRoZeN`	`well if i want something done for all units that are not probes for example.. i cant really use the foreach method`
`07:15.05`	`picklefish`	`look at my code`
`07:15.08`	`NoRoo`	`to be clear, you're not making your trigger more dynamic, you're trying to design it in a more extensible way`
`07:15.20`	`NoRoo`	`FRoZeN: for each? what?`
`07:15.23`	`picklefish`	`http://www.sc2mapster.com/assets/picklefish-store/ open up ITEM INIT for one of the categories`
`07:15.24`	`picklefish`	`http://www.sc2mapster.com/assets/picklefish-store/`
`07:15.26`	`picklefish`	`whoops`
`07:15.32`	`picklefish`	`that's how I do it`
`07:15.45`	`NoRoo`	`FRoZeN: we suggested you remove the condition, and start the trigger actions with a while loop`
`07:15.47`	`picklefish`	`you have a +1 counter after setting the data`
`07:16.11`	`NoRoo`	`FRoZeN: that while loop can itterate through an array of unit types, if it finds a match, perform the actions, if it doesn't end the trigger without doing anything else`
`07:16.19`	`NoRoo`	`FRoZeN: is that acceptable?`
`07:16.36`	`ShadowTiger`	`so unit type attribute and unit type property aren't good enough?`
`07:16.54`	`Bifuu`	`Going to bed, night all`
`07:17.00`	`NoRoo`	`night bifuu`
`07:17.01`	`ShadowTiger`	`night`
`07:17.06`	`FRoZeN`	`1 sec`
`07:17.37`	`Jcup`	`Anyone figured out how to rotate tank turrets through triggers?`
`07:18.07`	`NoRoo`	`FRoZeN: I suppose what I'm asking is, do you need clarification on what we're suggesting, or is there a specific reason that you don't want to implement your trigger that way`
`07:18.34`	`FRoZeN`	`no no i get what you are suggesting`
`07:18.46`	`FRoZeN`	`its not like i dont know what while loops and arrays are`
`07:18.57`	`FRoZeN`	`its just that im not sure it solves my problem, so im looking at it now`
`07:19.09`	`FRoZeN`	`i might just have been thinking about it wrong`
`07:19.37`	`NoRoo`	`your problem was, you want to determine if a unit entering this region is of certain types that you have specified, that's what this does`
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`07:20.08`	`Shutupleave`	`morning everyone`
`07:20.09`	`FRoZeN`	`actually i want something to happen to the unit if it is NOT the type specified :)`
`07:20.14`	`FRoZeN`	`but thats almost the same yes`
`07:22.46`	`NoRoo`	`<int> ArraySize = 10, <unit type> UnitTypeArray[10], <int> i = 0, ;; While (i<ArraySize) { if (unit type of(triggering unit) == UnitTypeArray[i]) Then {/do stuff/} else {/don't do stuff/} ;modify i: +1}`
`07:23.15`	`NoRoo`	`and you can from there figure out how to do the inverse of that I assume.`
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`07:23.42`	`FRoZeN`	`well`
`07:24.05`	`FRoZeN`	`not entirely`
`07:24.32`	`Motive`	`god I fucking hate Galaxy sometimes`
`07:24.37`	`Motive`	`syntax error on line 1, which is a comment. -.-`
`07:25.03`	`TheDudeAbides`	`you fail at commenting :p`
`07:25.05`	`NoRoo`	`Motive: I hate no map publishing yet, which makes it a slow clumsy process to test multiplayer builds of my map ^_^`
`07:25.16`	`FRoZeN`	`y`
`07:25.19`	`webirc`	`what section would I have to work under to make a unit that will attack something, flee to a given range, and return to attack a random target? Is that better done through triggers?`
`07:25.42`	`Dustin`	`Ok guys so guestion`
`07:26.20`	`Dustin`	`if i had a top down view of an entire 256x256 map, and scaled the units up that big, do you think a physics sytem would be able to run on the map?`
`07:26.37`	`NoRoo`	`it will be very slow`
`07:26.44`	`Grum`	`'up that big' ?`
`07:26.48`	`Dustin`	`this is 2d physics`
`07:26.55`	`NoRoo`	`zooming out to a 80x80 area on my map really slowed my game to a crawl`
`07:26.59`	`TheDudeAbides`	`much slower than if you use a 64x64 map and dont scale things up`
`07:27.00`	`Dustin`	`Ya I'm doing terrain deformation`
`07:27.07`	`Dustin`	`and i wanted a bigger resolution to work with`
`07:27.41`	`Grum`	`humz physics and terrain deformation .. anyhow, i think it will depend on if you have a shitty computer or not ;D`
`07:28.14`	`Dustin`	`I guess Ill try it`
`07:28.30`	`NoRoo`	`Dustin: well for reference, On a regular game of SC2 at max settings, I get around 75 FPS, if I zoom out to 80x80 my FPS drops to about 20 with 5 units on the screen`
`07:28.40`	`NoRoo`	`Dustin: I have to kill shaders to get it back up to a reasonable level`
`07:29.05`	`NoRoo`	`Dustin: and you're talking about around 4x the area being drawn, I think it will be pretty slow even on a brand new machine`
`07:29.14`	`NoRoo`	`Dustin: but let me know what you get out of it`
`07:29.18`	`TheDudeAbides`	`same on my laptop, i can run the game in ultra settings but shaders above low kill my gpu`
`07:29.26`	`TheDudeAbides`	`i got a 9800m`
`07:29.30`	`Dustin`	`ok so what`
`07:29.31`	`TheDudeAbides`	`and a quad core`
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`07:29.41`	`NoRoo`	`well I have a 4870 ATI, which handles the shaders fine,`
`07:29.51`	`Grum`	`doesnt it .. really depend on what is happening on the map?`
`07:29.56`	`Dustin`	`hmmm`
`07:29.59`	`Grum`	`if nothing is happening .. it shouldnt hurt?`
`07:30.02`	`NoRoo`	`I have suspect that the SC2 core engine doesn't handle zooming out very well.`
`07:30.10`	`Dustin`	`not going to be alot of back ground graphics I dont think`
`07:30.12`	`TheDudeAbides`	`its not that`
`07:30.38`	`TheDudeAbides`	`its that zooming out kinda adds much more polygons and objects to render`
`07:30.50`	`TheDudeAbides`	`does that on every game engine`
`07:30.51`	`FrozenFirebat`	`what governs a unit's ability to move laterally... cause appearently, by default, a unit cannot move at a 90 degree angle if you disable turning`
`07:31.23`	`Ousnius`	`is someone elses editor lagging too? it's not my graphics card I got 90 fps ingame with everything at max.`
`07:31.37`	`Motive`	`Lol fucking CRLF`
`07:31.37`	`Motive`	`'`
`07:31.37`	`TheDudeAbides`	`check the editor options`
`07:31.44`	`TheDudeAbides`	`default is capping fps at 2`
`07:31.46`	`TheDudeAbides`	`er`
`07:31.47`	`TheDudeAbides`	`25`
`07:32.02`	`Ousnius`	`k w8`
`07:32.38`	`Ousnius`	`and what should I set it to?`
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`07:32.54`	`TheDudeAbides`	`25 is well enough to edit`
`07:33.09`	`Ousnius`	`mhm it's set to 25 already... XD`
`07:33.16`	`TheDudeAbides`	`keep it that way`
`07:33.34`	`TheDudeAbides`	`unless you want your gpu to run hot all the time as if you were in game`
`07:33.43`	`Ousnius`	`when I build a cliff or move the camera with rightclick everything laggs like hell`
`07:33.45`	`webirc`	`what section would I have to work under to make a unit that will attack something, flee to a given range, and return to attack a random target? Is that better done through triggers?`
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`07:33.53`	`TheDudeAbides`	`yeah its not because of fps`
`07:33.56`	`pierro_`	`hi`
`07:34.05`	`TheDudeAbides`	`its because the terrain mesh changes and it needs to be reloaded in gpu memory`
`07:34.18`	`Ousnius`	`no way to fix that? :(`
`07:34.21`	`TheDudeAbides`	`and the editor isnt very multicore friendly`
`07:34.33`	`Ousnius`	`very disgusting >.<`
`07:34.34`	`pierro_`	`Do you know how i could set a flying orb around a unit like the fire orbs in wc3 tft ?`
`07:34.47`	`TheDudeAbides`	`game companies usually use their newer programmers to do the editors and let the experienced ones do the game`
`07:35.11`	`TheDudeAbides`	`and newer programmers arent exactly good when it comes to not making the gui thread responsive`
`07:35.16`	`TheDudeAbides`	`er`
`07:35.20`	`TheDudeAbides`	`-not`
`07:35.49`	`TheDudeAbides`	`that and they probably use wxwidgets for the gui, which is shitty`
`07:36.04`	`Ousnius`	`pierro_: try using an actor of a fire orb looking thing and move it in a circle (with offset) around the unit`
`07:36.25`	`pierro_`	`@Dusnius thank`
`07:36.43`	`pierro_`	`@Dusnius in the events+ field i guess ?`
`07:36.47`	`Ousnius`	`like every 0.01 secs or so`
`07:37.02`	`Ousnius`	`but that shouldn't be on to much untis XD`
`07:37.04`	`Ousnius`	`units*`
`07:37.19`	`Grum`	`TheDudeAbides: why is it shitty? at least its portable`
`07:38.05`	`webirc`	`what section would I have to work under to make a unit that will attack something, flee to a given range, and return to attack a random target?`
`07:38.08`	`pierro_`	`@Dusnius basically id like to do a charge based unit. The unit cast spell that cost one orb (wich is flying around the unit)`
`07:38.38`	`pierro_`	`and the orb respawn after sometimes`
`07:39.57`	`Motive`	`The editor was giving me a syntax error in Admin.galaxy because AliasCommands.galaxy was in CR format instead of CRLF.`
`07:39.58`	`Motive`	`:\|`
`07:42.05`	`Dustin`	`Anyone know if you can roll a unit in the data editor`
`07:42.51`	`Grum`	`roll?`
`07:43.01`	`Grum`	`x/y rotation?`
`07:43.09`	`Grum`	`you have banking, you could perhaps bank it upside down`
`07:43.18`	`Dustin`	`Take their Z Axis and rotate it to coincide with their Y axes on the model`
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`07:45.50`	`NoRoo`	`Any one want to test a new multiplayer build of my game with me? need 3 people`
`07:46.12`	`NoRoo`	`jeremie... with an ie strange`
`07:46.45`	`pierro_`	`Hey everyone i made a deathcoil ability (heal an ally, harm an ennemy) however yesterday the effects were not sync'ed to the animation. But today i changed something that actually sync animation+effects however the ball keep on flying around the unit and apply heal or dammage`
`07:47.11`	`Ousnius`	`lol`
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`07:47.49`	`webirc`	`what section would I have to work under to make a unit that will attack something, flee to a given range, and return to attack a random target?`
`07:49.31`	`pierro_`	`this is annoying. My Spell is Uber now`
`07:53.37`	`NoRoo`	`No testers on tonight? :(`
`07:56.27`	`pierro_`	`Hey everyone i made a deathcoil ability (heal an ally, harm an ennemy) however yesterday the effects were not sync'ed to the animation. But today i changed something that actually sync animation+effects however the ball keep on flying around the unit and apply heal or dammage`
`07:56.41`	`pierro_`	`How could i fix it`
`07:58.20`	`Dustin`	`hmmm`
`07:58.28`	`Dustin`	`cant find a way to roll my unit`
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`08:01.40`	`Mojache`	`Sixen you around?`
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`08:04.28`	`webirc`	`what section would I have to work under to make a unit that will attack something, flee to a given range, and return to attack a random target?`
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`08:09.56`	`Grum`	`wtf, starcraft 27 juli for sc2 release o.O`
`08:09.57`	`Grum`	`that is fast!`
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`08:12.37`	`ShadowTiger`	`i predicted early august...`
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`08:15.50`	`Xan`	`its way too early`
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`08:17.46`	`NoRoo`	`it's like 10 weeks away`
`08:17.59`	`NoRoo`	`entire beta period is a little short of 6 months`
`08:18.11`	`NoRoo`	`that's a long beta when the industry standard for something like this is around 2-3 weeks.`
`08:18.36`	`Xan`	`but considering how long sc2 has been in development for..`
`08:18.38`	`Xan`	`:P`
`08:19.42`	`Dustin`	`Anyone around here a modeler?`
`08:20.18`	`Dustin`	`Or how to rotate models`
`08:20.23`	`Dustin`	`know how to*`
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`08:25.12`	`webirc`	`Anyone know how to replicate the Inteceptors attack pattern?`
`08:26.12`	`Shard_`	`you might just try copying interceptors and changing the models`
`08:26.47`	`Shard_`	`i tried to make other units move like interceptors and failed`
`08:27.46`	`webirc`	`well it's not so much the inteceptor movement I want, but the act of attack -> retreat -> return attack`
`08:28.07`	`Shard_`	`oh`
`08:28.15`	`Shard_`	`lemme look at the data editor, im sure its part of their ai`
`08:28.23`	`webirc`	`and Iv'e come across some Tactical AI data regarding the Stalker blink ability (Less than 70 hp, blink away)`
`08:36.30`	`ShadowTiger`	`okay my basic tutorial for making a custom unit/weapon is live at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VW-DMbsp4cw`
`08:37.14`	`ShadowTiger`	`unfortunatley even at 1080p youtube's compression makes the text unreadable...`
`08:43.07`	`Grum`	`ShadowTiger: record with a lower screen resolution`
`08:43.18`	`ShadowTiger`	`really? will that help?`
`08:43.29`	`Xan`	`ShadowTiger: no, it will take a while for youtube to process the video`
`08:43.33`	`Xan`	`wait a few hours and it should be good`
`08:43.37`	`ShadowTiger`	`okay`
`08:43.43`	`ShadowTiger`	`i uploaded it at 11`
`08:43.48`	`ShadowTiger`	`but they are uploading slow today`
`08:43.54`	`ShadowTiger`	`so maybe it needs a few extra hours`
`08:44.00`	`ShadowTiger`	`i mean processing slow`
`08:44.04`	`Xan`	`yeah`
`08:44.23`	`Xan`	`first the 1080p quality will be aliased etc, but then it will be fine after a few hours`
`08:45.42`	`Grum`	`ooh wait they are going to process it more?`
`08:45.59`	`Xan`	`yeah they usually do`
`08:46.13`	`Grum`	`ShadowTiger: well if you make it at most ~1200 wide then more people will be able to view it in proper height/width proportion`
`08:46.55`	`ShadowTiger`	`okay...`
`08:47.06`	`ShadowTiger`	`should i set the resolution with a compressor then?`
`08:47.29`	`Xan`	`wmv usually works`
`08:47.51`	`Grum`	`humz wtf`
`08:48.02`	`ShadowTiger`	`?`
`08:48.11`	`Grum`	`even when i scale the youtube window up to 1920x1080 the text is not readable`
`08:48.17`	`ShadowTiger`	`yeah`
`08:48.19`	`Grum`	`are they really doing that much post processing on it?`
`08:48.30`	`ShadowTiger`	`I was surprised`
`08:49.31`	`Grum`	`it kinda makes sense to process all the videos for space reasons`
`08:49.39`	`Grum`	`how was the video looking when you looked at it ShadowTiger? (and how big was it?)`
`08:52.37`	`Sixen`	`What's up Mojache?`
`08:52.50`	`Fisker`	`i sneezed`
`08:52.59`	`Repo`	`New map: http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/longest-yard/. The Longest Yard. pinaflashdotcom (Manager/Author). Approved by sixen.`
`08:53.02`	`Repo`	`New map: http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/cr0-zzr04d-station/. Cr0-ZZ/R04D Station. AriSteamer (Manager/Author). Approved by sixen.`
`08:57.08`	`Ousnius`	`er... I've got a question...`
`08:57.22`	`Ousnius`	`how to get the point you clicked? >.< with mouseclick condition`
`08:57.28`	`Ousnius`	`event*`
`09:01.17`	`Ousnius`	`no idea? :(`
`09:04.08`	`Cronos`	`how do people make the small icon of there hero unit? above the command card .. saw it in that tech demo v2 and a few other screen shots`
`09:04.35`	`ShadowTiger`	`im not sure, but isnt tech demo v2 a downloadable map...`
`09:04.49`	`Cronos`	`ya i got it and looked i didnt see`
`09:04.53`	`ShadowTiger`	`and ousnius i believe this map has click support http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/defend-your-command-center/`
`09:04.56`	`ShadowTiger`	`check it out`
`09:05.20`	`Ousnius`	`ok`
`09:05.21`	`Cronos`	`his triggers were named like hey and hey2 and had lots of buttons`
`09:05.25`	`Ousnius`	`I already looked at Perdition`
`09:05.28`	`Cronos`	`so i couldnt tell what was what`
`09:05.58`	`Shard_`	`he says he did it all with the data editor`
`09:06.01`	`Shard_`	`selection animation kills?`
`09:06.20`	`ShadowTiger`	`well do you know what built in hero portraits look like?`
`09:06.59`	`Cronos`	`i looked at the data editor also there was to much to find it.`
`09:08.08`	`Ousnius`	`ahh found it by myself`
`09:08.44`	`Ousnius`	`XY-Point then X=clicked coordinates with mouse y=clicked coordinates with mouse^^`
`09:09.10`	`ShadowTiger`	`i would assume he used dialogue buttons to make that icon cronos`
`09:09.30`	`ShadowTiger`	`dialog...`
`09:09.43`	`Mojache`	`Sixen, are you guys ever gonna have some sort of voting system`
`09:09.45`	`Mojache`	`or`
`09:09.50`	`Mojache`	`how many downloads a map has`
`09:10.10`	`Mojache`	`some way for me to look at the maps without randomly picking them alphabetically!`
`09:10.15`	`Cronos`	`I made one with dialogs but his has health and shield bars on it`
`09:10.50`	`FrozenFirebat`	`yay... I got strafe to work on WASD, by holding right mouse button... =P`
`09:12.30`	`Grum`	`haha`
`09:15.30`	`ShadowTiger`	`well on sc2.curse.com or whatever you can sort maps by hits and by rating`
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`09:19.23`	`Fatal510`	`protoss are unbeatable given the time to tech and build a 200 food army`
`09:21.07`	`Kylegar`	`almost all races are unbeatable given time to tech`
`09:21.11`	`Kylegar`	`teching is way overpowered`
`09:21.11`	`Ousnius`	`XD`
`09:21.17`	`Kylegar`	`the problem is getting there`
`09:23.09`	`Ousnius`	`does anyone with EU client want to play my map? testing triggers for player 2 :3`
`09:24.27`	`Ousnius`	`please? ='(`
`09:24.57`	`Ousnius`	`I've got not friends...to test with them. XD`
`09:25.04`	`Sixen`	`Mojache, i'd like to.`
`09:25.05`	`Ousnius`	`no*`
`09:25.08`	`Kylegar`	`not on eu client :(`
`09:25.25`	`Kylegar`	`also`
`09:25.26`	`Kylegar`	`bed time`
`09:25.53`	`Ousnius`	`which time in US?`
`09:26.00`	`Shard_`	`does eu client let you play custom maps?`
`09:26.14`	`Ousnius`	`no but u can hack the maps in with some tools`
`09:26.23`	`Ousnius`	`in US too`
`09:26.32`	`Shard_`	`then why the eu client?`
`09:26.37`	`Shard_`	`they have to be the same?`
`09:26.49`	`Ousnius`	`US != Eu`
`09:27.02`	`Ousnius`	`2 different servers`
`09:27.05`	`Ousnius`	`2 different patch days`
`09:27.07`	`Shard_`	`oh`
`09:27.09`	`Shard_`	`duh`
`09:27.49`	`Xan`	`how do I disable certain buildings in a tech tree?`
`09:27.54`	`Shard_`	`idk about you, but all my triggers use variable arrays to manage multiple players`
`09:27.59`	`Xan`	`from being built`
`09:28.22`	`Xan`	`I suck at data editor`
`09:28.43`	`Shard_`	`i think just go to the worker's requirements for building it`
`09:28.48`	`Xan`	`where?`
`09:28.58`	`Shard_`	`opens data editor`
`09:30.17`	`Shard_`	`i know it uses submenus`
`09:30.19`	`Shard_`	`but i cant find them`
`09:30.41`	`Xan`	`:\`
`09:32.28`	`Shard_`	`aha`
`09:32.33`	`Shard_`	`its in the command card for the SCV`
`09:32.39`	`Shard_`	`go to command card number 2`
`09:32.42`	`Shard_`	`and disable those`
`09:33.06`	`Xan`	`where is the command card?`
`09:33.10`	`Shard_`	`its a field`
`09:33.29`	`Shard_`	`go to the SCV unit in the data editor, and double click on the "Commands+" field`
`09:33.40`	`Xan`	`ah`
`09:33.48`	`Shard_`	`page 2 is the building submenu`
`09:33.54`	`Shard_`	`and page 3 is probably advanced buildings`
`09:34.04`	`Xan`	`what if I only want to disable one building or a few?`
`09:34.17`	`ShadowTiger`	`then you go to the build ability`
`09:34.21`	`ShadowTiger`	`and remove the entries`
`09:34.31`	`Shard_`	`Xan: I'm not sure what you mean`
`09:34.46`	`ShadowTiger`	`or xan`
`09:34.49`	`Shard_`	`you can disable them in the command card, either by deleting them or by adding a strange requirement`
`09:34.53`	`ShadowTiger`	`you can just remove the buttons form the scv command card`
`09:34.53`	`Xan`	`Like, I want to remove engineering bay from the tech tree entirely`
`09:34.54`	`ShadowTiger`	`yeah`
`09:35.07`	`Shard_`	`just delete it from the command card`
`09:35.10`	`Shard_`	`the little red button on the side`
`09:35.40`	`Xan`	`hmm I can only see the build button from the command card`
`09:35.44`	`Xan`	`not the buildings itself`
`09:35.46`	`ShadowTiger`	`go to page 2`
`09:35.50`	`Shard_`	`it wont delete the building`
`09:35.55`	`Shard_`	`it just removes it from the SCV's menu`
`09:36.00`	`ShadowTiger`	`oh`
`09:36.11`	`Xan`	`oh page 2`
`09:36.12`	`Shard_`	`Xan: The buildings are on page 2`
`09:36.14`	`Xan`	`:D`
`09:36.17`	`Xan`	`ty`
`09:36.17`	`ShadowTiger`	`and page 3`
`09:37.08`	`Shard_`	`so im trying to find a way to add a cheat that makes stuff build faster`
`09:37.13`	`Shard_`	`its about the only cheat i cant make`
`09:38.16`	`Xan`	`what about if I want to add a building? Do I need to create it in abilities? like "Build X"`
`09:38.26`	`Xan`	`to be able to build it`
`09:38.38`	`Shard_`	`add a custom building? you probably have to make a button for it and everythin`
`09:38.39`	`Shard_`	`g`
`09:39.16`	`Grum`	`a build action and a button yeah`
`09:39.21`	`Shard_`	`and i believe the SCV needs the build action in the abilities list`
`09:39.23`	`Grum`	`and then put it on the commandcard`
`09:39.35`	`Xan`	`where do I create the build action? under abilities?`
`09:40.14`	`Xan`	`oh, under buttons`
`09:40.46`	`Shard_`	`youll need a button, an ability, and a command card slot`
`09:42.03`	`Shard_`	`ok so I'm trying to make a timer that counts down`
`09:42.16`	`Shard_`	`my trigger is Timer - Start (New Timer) as One Shot blah blah blah`
`09:42.22`	`Shard_`	`oops, forgot to multi line`
`09:43.03`	`Shard_`	`Timer - Start (New Timer) as One Shot blah blah blah`
`09:43.05`	`Shard_`	`Create timer window for (Last started timer) for all players using Remaining time`
`09:43.06`	`Shard_`	`Timer - Show (last created timer) for all players`
`09:43.10`	`Shard_`	`and when i run the game, it always says 0`
`09:49.36`	`ShadowTiger`	`umm`
`09:49.40`	`Xan`	`hmm... when I create a Build Academy button, it wont show up in the Ability Command dropdown list in the command card :/`
`09:49.49`	`ShadowTiger`	`did you make a button for it?`
`09:49.53`	`Xan`	`yeah`
`09:49.54`	`ShadowTiger`	`command = button`
`09:49.59`	`Shard_`	`does the SCV have that ability?`
`09:50.04`	`ShadowTiger`	`oh yeah`
`09:50.08`	`ShadowTiger`	`add ability to unit`
`09:50.09`	`Xan`	`err`
`09:50.13`	`Xan`	`oh`
`09:50.21`	`ShadowTiger`	`the build ability`
`09:50.35`	`ShadowTiger`	`im not sure why your timer doesn't work`
`09:50.50`	`Shard_`	`DOH`
`09:50.55`	`Shard_`	`i have to put the timer into the timer window`
`09:50.58`	`Shard_`	`i think`
`09:51.02`	`ShadowTiger`	`that would be necessary`
`09:51.15`	`Xan`	`and in the SCV - Build, where do I find it? (sorry) there is no command card there`
`09:51.18`	`Shard_`	`the other trigger should do it though`
`09:51.24`	`Shard_`	`otherwise it's a useless parameter`
`09:52.00`	`Shard_`	`nvm that still didnt fix it`
`09:55.19`	`Grum`	`k, i found something the xml can do and the editor cant ..`
`09:55.29`	`FrozenFirebat`	`do tell`
`09:55.31`	`Shard_`	`be edited in notepad?`
`09:55.31`	`Grum`	`if you have an event you can make a Signal.*.Uncovered for example`
`09:55.39`	`Grum`	`but you cannot create that using the event editor`
`09:55.47`	`Grum`	`as there is nothing that resolves in '*' ><`
`10:04.27`	`Xan`	`what is "Terran - Building Burnout"?`
`10:04.44`	`Xan`	`oh, nvm`
`10:04.52`	`Xan`	`its the fire damage`
`10:06.14`	`Grum`	`<PROTECTED>`
`10:06.19`	`Grum`	`mmm can you do that in the data editor? :/`
`10:06.31`	`Savvis`	`Why do I get excution took too long error for this: http://c.pastebin.com/9reiPtyC`
`10:08.35`	`Grum`	`what are you trying to do?`
`10:08.53`	`Savvis`	`It gives the error when a unit dies`
`10:09.04`	`Grum`	`what are you trying to do?`
`10:09.12`	`Savvis`	`I want the player to receive a reward for killing the unit when it's not in the Spawn End region`
`10:09.36`	`Grum`	`so what is the while loop doing there?`
`10:09.52`	`Xan`	`why dont you just add it to the conditions?`
`10:10.00`	`Grum`	`indeed`
`10:10.07`	`Savvis`	`I wasn't sure`
`10:10.25`	`Grum`	`the while loop is erm .. completely not useful?`
`10:10.33`	`Grum`	`that makes no sense even`
`10:10.34`	`Xan`	`its just one condition you need to add, really simple :)`
`10:11.01`	`Grum`	`you do a 'while (triggering unit is in region(Spawn End))' .. that makes no sense`
`10:11.53`	`Xan`	`just do a condition - (Triggering unit) is NOT in region (Spawn End)`
`10:12.23`	`Savvis`	`right, ok`
`10:12.40`	`Grum`	`Savvis: but why are you using a while loop there?`
`10:12.41`	`ShadowTiger`	`yeah "while" is a programming command not a check`
`10:12.48`	`Grum`	`that is causing it to be too long`
`10:12.59`	`Grum`	`yeah lol :D`
`10:13.01`	`Grum`	`that might be it`
`10:13.21`	`Savvis`	`ah, that's why`
`10:13.31`	`Xan`	`its an endless loop`
`10:14.49`	`Savvis`	`thanks for the clarification`
`10:16.31`	`Xan`	`hmm.. still can't get the ability command to show up in the command card :/`
`10:16.41`	`Grum`	`Xan: which ability?`
`10:16.56`	`Xan`	`Build Academy, which I created a button for`
`10:17.46`	`Xan`	`you need to do more than create a button for it? there is no "Build <building>" ability`
`10:18.18`	`Xan`	`(trying to edit the tech tree)`
`10:20.24`	`*** join/#sc2mapster Ousnius (~4e2a3908@gateway/web/freenode/x-smmnspixcmvpixux)`
`10:20.48`	`Ousnius`	`hey does NOW someone want to test my map with me? :D`
`10:20.51`	`*** join/#sc2mapster General1337 (~support@71-93-97-216.dhcp.mtpk.ca.charter.com)`
`10:21.24`	`ShadowTiger`	`okay`
`10:21.35`	`ShadowTiger`	`are you using the scv-build ability?`
`10:21.37`	`ShadowTiger`	`if so`
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`10:22.17`	`ShadowTiger`	`then you need to go to abilities -> scv (build) -> info`
`10:22.21`	`ShadowTiger`	`then you can add your academy`
`10:22.23`	`ShadowTiger`	`to the list`
`10:22.29`	`ShadowTiger`	`then it will show up in the command card`
`10:22.30`	`Xan`	`ah`
`10:22.44`	`ShadowTiger`	`it sucks that the info seems empty`
`10:22.48`	`ShadowTiger`	`so you never think to check it`
`10:23.02`	`Mittsies_`	`Does anyone know of a tutorial for importing and playing MP3s in SC2 Editor? (Or could explain it to me)`
`10:23.03`	`Xan`	`ty, didnt think of that, since the Info looked empty`
`10:23.03`	`Xan`	`:p`
`10:23.47`	`ShadowTiger`	`maybe i should figure out how to import mp3s and make a tutorial`
`10:24.46`	`Mittsies_`	`I simply hate the data editor and don't have the patience to learn things like that :P`
`10:24.59`	`ShadowTiger`	`okay Mittsies if you press F9`
`10:25.03`	`ShadowTiger`	`it opens the import manager`
`10:25.14`	`ShadowTiger`	`oh well your loss you quitter`
`10:25.16`	`ShadowTiger`	`you leaver`
`10:25.18`	`Mittsies`	`wat`
`10:25.26`	`ShadowTiger`	`lol said you quit`
`10:25.31`	`Mittsies`	`Lies`
`10:25.35`	`Mittsies`	`that was my shadow twin`
`10:25.37`	`ShadowTiger`	`== Mittsies_ [~4285dc8e@gateway/web/freenode/x-jeeruujewdbuopsn] has quit [Client Quit]`
`10:26.05`	`Mittsies`	`So yeah I've imported the MP3`
`10:26.06`	`ShadowTiger`	`anyways you can then right click and import a file`
`10:30.18`	`Mittsies`	`ShadowTiger`
`10:30.22`	`ShadowTiger`	`ya`
`10:30.26`	`Mittsies`	`are you experienced in game logic?`
`10:30.32`	`ShadowTiger`	`i guess`
`10:30.44`	`Fukle`	`Hey, novice question. How can I check, let's say when the mouse left button is clicked and the letter D is pressed at the same time`
`10:31.08`	`ShadowTiger`	`Fukle, i am assuming you can do both when not at the same time`
`10:31.08`	`Mittsies`	`Here's how, Fukle`
`10:31.24`	`Mittsies`	`when you press down D you add a variable like KEY_D = 1 (on)`
`10:31.33`	`Fukle`	`k`
`10:31.34`	`Mittsies`	`when you lift up then the variable is = 0`
`10:31.36`	`Fukle`	`oh..`
`10:31.40`	`Mittsies`	`you do the same for mouse click`
`10:31.40`	`Fukle`	`i getcha`
`10:31.45`	`Mittsies`	`yep`
`10:31.49`	`Fukle`	`thanks`
`10:31.50`	`Fukle`	`:D`
`10:31.59`	`ShadowTiger`	`anyways game logic...`
`10:32.30`	`Mittsies`	`I need the most dynamic way of checking every possible combination of pieces for a game like Dr. Mario`
`10:32.44`	`ShadowTiger`	`okay`
`10:32.58`	`ShadowTiger`	`i dont know Dr. Mario`
`10:32.58`	`Mittsies`	`that's it.`
`10:33.07`	`Mittsies`	`think bejeweled, but, not quite`
`10:33.10`	`ShadowTiger`	`k`
`10:33.28`	`Mojache`	`this localization shit pisses me off`
`10:33.34`	`Mojache`	`just every EU map is unplayable`
`10:33.45`	`ShadowTiger`	`i still play em`
`10:33.55`	`ShadowTiger`	`i just wonder what alll the words im missing out on are`
`10:34.06`	`Ousnius`	`<- EVERY map is unplayable`
`10:34.12`	`Ousnius`	`cause I've got deDE`
`10:34.34`	`Ousnius`	`o wait...`
`10:34.40`	`Mittsies`	`I agree Mojache. It's silly`
`10:34.50`	`Ousnius`	`resident xxxxx (don't know the exact name anymore) worked xD`
`10:35.04`	`Ousnius`	`is that map from a german mapper?`
`10:35.34`	`ShadowTiger`	`well my first intuition would be to make a table of combinations`
`10:36.29`	`Ousnius`	`I need a player to test my map please! or IMA FIRIN MAH LAZ0000RZ!!`
`10:37.29`	`ShadowTiger`	`well mittsies... you can actually make all the combinations using the Requirement object in the Data Editor`
`10:38.08`	`ShadowTiger`	`then you can make an upgrade that has that requirement, try to upgrade, see if you started the upgrade, and then you will know that all the combinations have been exhausted`
`10:38.38`	`Kamakaze`	`I fixed my the localization problem with my map, there is a guide to fix it with the mpq editor. so not every map is unplayable :P`
`10:38.52`	`ShadowTiger`	`but thats not using trigger loops to automate the combination process for you`
`10:39.11`	`ShadowTiger`	`if you made a bunch of units to represent the pieces`
`10:39.19`	`ShadowTiger`	`you could probably take a real-world algorithm`
`10:39.23`	`ShadowTiger`	`and import it into game logic`
`10:40.44`	`Mittsies`	`I'm thinking loops are the only way to go`
`10:41.33`	`Mittsies`	`think about a game of connect-4 and how a computer would need to check for combinations.`
`10:45.39`	`ShadowTiger`	`well if you are thinking about just chains of similar pieces`
`10:46.19`	`ShadowTiger`	`then you simply iterate through each piece, check its neighbors, and if you find the neighbor matches, recursivley check the neighbor, while preserving a direction during the recursion`
`10:46.30`	`ShadowTiger`	`i made a recursive trigger in war 3 before, should be easy in sc2`
`10:47.34`	`Mittsies`	`yeah I'll probably figure it out`
`10:47.38`	`Mittsies`	`now a bigger mystery`
`10:47.43`	`Mittsies`	`is how do I color units?`
`10:48.17`	`Mittsies`	`and I don't mean unit team color. I mean the tint`
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`10:48.32`	`ShadowTiger`	`Actor - send message to unit`
`10:49.15`	`Mittsies`	`nice`
`10:50.03`	`*** join/#sc2mapster kumori__ (~kumori@host98-202.bornet.net)`
`10:51.48`	`Mittsies`	`Does tinting even work?`
`10:53.12`	`Ousnius`	`editing water is funny lol`
`10:53.28`	`Xan`	`how would I create a research ability that increases the attack range of a unit (like sc1's U-238 shells)?`
`10:53.49`	`ShadowTiger`	`you make an upgrade`
`10:53.53`	`ShadowTiger`	`give the upgrade a button`
`10:53.58`	`ShadowTiger`	`then make a research ability`
`10:54.07`	`ShadowTiger`	`and give that ability the upgrade`
`10:54.19`	`ShadowTiger`	`its almost identical to making a new building show up in the build menu`
`10:54.20`	`Xan`	`hmm whats the hydra range upgrade called?`
`10:54.26`	`ShadowTiger`	`spines`
`10:54.29`	`ShadowTiger`	`grooved?`
`10:54.40`	`Mittsies`	`Inside of the upgrade you made, there's a field called "Effects" and you can change anything about any unit.`
`10:54.49`	`ShadowTiger`	`not anything`
`10:55.09`	`ShadowTiger`	`you have almost 0 control over behaviors`
`10:55.29`	`Mittsies`	`this is true`
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`10:55.30`	`ShadowTiger`	`and i think some of my map data got corrupted`
`10:55.45`	`ShadowTiger`	`one of my custom units has random stats like 1 hp and it cant move anymore`
`11:00.45`	`Xan`	`I found out that the data editor crashes a lot :P`
`11:01.19`	`ShadowTiger`	`hopefully they will fix everything by july 27`
`11:01.36`	`Xan`	`but its so soon`
`11:02.47`	`ShadowTiger`	`not really`
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`11:03.00`	`Beider`	`Anyone here who tried the MPQ localization fix?`
`11:03.03`	`ShadowTiger`	`i predicted it would be released in august almost a year ago`
`11:03.12`	`Xan`	`Beider: link`
`11:03.13`	`Xan`	`:)`
`11:03.31`	`Beider`	`http://forums.sc2mapster.com/development/map-development/520-easily-adding-new-locales/#p5`
`11:03.42`	`Xan`	`ShadowTiger: why would it be released in the middle of the summer :(`
`11:03.58`	`ShadowTiger`	`they could release it during a blizzard`
`11:04.09`	`ShadowTiger`	`and people would still trudge through the snow to pick it up`
`11:04.14`	`ShadowTiger`	`: P`
`11:04.19`	`Beider`	`Looking for players with EU client to balance test my new TD map, it has 20 levels and 13 towers atm`
`11:04.30`	`ShadowTiger`	`oh I wish I could test`
`11:04.42`	`ShadowTiger`	`my TD has 45 levles and 10 towers`
`11:04.58`	`Beider`	`link?`
`11:05.09`	`ShadowTiger`	`not up yet`
`11:05.22`	`Beider`	`k`
`11:05.33`	`Beider`	`I am trying to balance the 20 first levels perfectly before I add more`
`11:05.33`	`ShadowTiger`	`http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/shadowtd/`
`11:05.47`	`Fukle`	`Anyone know how I can get the number of a player? I need it for an array, "Unit - Order Player[Number of Player(Triggering Player)] ect.."`
`11:05.55`	`ShadowTiger`	`I just went through and added every unit in the game`
`11:06.03`	`ShadowTiger`	`you would think there would be more...`
`11:06.16`	`Beider`	`well there will be`
`11:06.20`	`Beider`	`once the game is out`
`11:06.22`	`ShadowTiger`	`yeah I know first hand`
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`11:10.11`	`ShadowTiger`	`im not really sure how to do that fukle`
`11:10.18`	`Fukle`	`Ah alright.`
`11:10.20`	`ShadowTiger`	`you can obviously do it with custom script`
`11:10.34`	`Fukle`	`mm... I don't know any custom script. haha`
`11:10.45`	`ShadowTiger`	`but that would require making some sample functions and then figuring out what the script should be after converting them`
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`11:11.11`	`Fukle`	`Alright well maybe you could think of another way to do this.`
`11:11.11`	`Beider`	`do what?`
`11:11.27`	`Beider`	`oh`
`11:11.37`	`Xan`	`Fukle: why don't you just add all players to an integer array?`
`11:11.49`	`Beider`	`Fukle: in what context do you need to get the players number?`
`11:11.57`	`Beider`	`Is it a trigger that is running or are you going over all players?`
`11:11.58`	`Fukle`	`Beider: Yeah`
`11:12.19`	`Beider`	`because if it is a trigger that runs on an event like a unit dies it is easy`
`11:12.31`	`Fukle`	`It is when player presses a key`
`11:12.33`	`Fukle`	`any player`
`11:12.33`	`Beider`	`ah`
`11:12.40`	`Beider`	`then just use the "Triggering Player"`
`11:12.50`	`Fukle`	`will that get the player number in an array?`
`11:13.13`	`ShadowTiger`	`ya`
`11:13.13`	`Beider`	`that will get the player number and if you have an array where each number in the array corresponds to a player, then yes`
`11:13.25`	`Xan`	`well just add all players to an array at the map initialization, then just use if(Triggering Player) == players[i])`
`11:13.33`	`ShadowTiger`	`you can just make a different trigger for triggering player == 1 and so on`
`11:13.35`	`Beider`	`why bother Xan?`
`11:13.45`	`Beider`	`Triggering Player will get 1 for player 1, 2 for player 2, etc..`
`11:13.55`	`Xan`	`I thought he wanted to get a specific player`
`11:13.55`	`Fukle`	`Alright well I have fixed it up am testing.`
`11:14.17`	`Beider`	`As far as I understood he already has an array of units or so with one for each player`
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`11:14.46`	`UdderChaos`	`hi`
`11:14.50`	`ShadowTiger`	`hi`
`11:15.13`	`UdderChaos`	`can anyone help me with getting a 3rd person camera to work?`
`11:15.19`	`Fukle`	`Awesome it worked thanks.`
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`11:17.14`	`Stimpack`	`i want to create a group heal ability evrything is working fine exept the actor model for it can someone help me ?`
`11:18.14`	`Stimpack`	`i could do it through the trigger editor but it should be possible without`
`11:18.18`	`Fukle`	`Oh crap, I have run into another problem. I don't know if there is a way around this, anyway I have been using the WASD keys to move my hero and on the release key I had "Trigger - Stop all instances of Move Left", this will stop both player's units from moving won't it?`
`11:19.00`	`Stimpack`	`probably`
`11:19.03`	`Beider`	`Fukle most likely`
`11:19.07`	`Fukle`	`bah`
`11:19.09`	`Beider`	`but don't do character movement like that`
`11:19.19`	`Fukle`	`How should I do it then?`
`11:19.21`	`Beider`	`sec`
`11:19.24`	`Fukle`	`kkz`
`11:19.34`	`Beider`	`http://www.livestream.com/beider/video?clipId=pla_602640a4-5576-4759-af30-80822cd4d56a`
`11:19.39`	`Beider`	`video tutorial`
`11:20.04`	`Beider`	`you would have to expand on it with arrays for multiple players`
`11:20.06`	`Beider`	`but same principle`
`11:20.26`	`Fukle`	`ok`
`11:20.35`	`Stimpack`	`has someone experience with the events of actor models ?`
`11:20.37`	`Beider`	`it creates a strafing movement, not rotating though`
`11:20.43`	`Beider`	`a little bit Stimpack, but not much`
`11:20.48`	`Fukle`	`hmm`
`11:20.54`	`Fukle`	`My map is sort of a platform view`
`11:21.04`	`Fukle`	`and I am just having A to face left and move left`
`11:21.10`	`Fukle`	`and D to face and move right`
`11:21.15`	`Beider`	`yeah then that movement works`
`11:21.22`	`Beider`	`that is strafing movement`
`11:21.31`	`Fukle`	`Okay sweet`
`11:21.48`	`Fukle`	`Was that live?`
`11:22.05`	`Beider`	`when I made it, it was`
`11:22.09`	`Fukle`	`oh`
`11:22.09`	`Fukle`	`k`
`11:22.31`	`Repo`	`New map: http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/starcraft-fortress/. Starcraft Fortress. maphstra (Manager/Author). Approved by sixen.`
`11:22.33`	`Beider`	`Stimpack: You are trying to get an effect to spawn on impact?`
`11:22.47`	`Stimpack`	`jup`
`11:22.48`	`Fukle`	`Thanks man.`
`11:23.09`	`Stimpack`	`its a heal ability and the model should be shown at the caster`
`11:24.49`	`Stimpack`	`i just did a new event "effect: Groupheal subname: none " and action create`
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`11:25.03`	`Stimpack`	`but it didnt work`
`11:25.11`	`ShadowTiger`	`did you copy the medivac's event?`
`11:25.13`	`Beider`	`try to change subname`
`11:25.17`	`Beider`	`to targetchannelstart`
`11:25.20`	`Beider`	`or targetcaststart`
`11:25.21`	`Beider`	`or something`
`11:25.33`	`Fukle`	`Beider: I tried the link and it didn't work, I am 99% sure I have the link correct.`
`11:25.58`	`Beider`	`Fukle: then go to http://www.livestream.com/beider/ , scroll down and click the Galaxy Editor folder`
`11:26.01`	`Beider`	`then find WSAD movement`
`11:26.07`	`Fukle`	`k cheers`
`11:26.14`	`Stimpack`	`k already experimented a bit with not much sucess but i will try some more`
`11:26.28`	`Stimpack`	`thx anyway`
`11:28.11`	`Stimpack`	`im still new to mapping if someone would make a tutorial about the actor events this would be rly helpfull`
`11:28.22`	`ShadowTiger`	`okay i will try and make one`
`11:28.38`	`ShadowTiger`	`I usually just change the references to point to my new custom effect/unit`
`11:28.39`	`Beider`	`I have it on my todo list of video tutorials`
`11:28.47`	`Stimpack`	`niice !`
`11:29.07`	`Beider`	`but you can't really cover everything in one tutorial, there are so many things you can do`
`11:29.23`	`Stimpack`	`of course`
`11:29.38`	`Stimpack`	`but like the basic ideas or the most used stuff`
`11:29.50`	`UdderChaos`	`Be really nice to see someone do a tutorial on camera editors, and how you can do 3rd person on oen unit and also the dynamic cameras like resident evil style ect`
`11:30.05`	`UdderChaos`	`*one unit`
`11:30.06`	`ShadowTiger`	`i still cant figure out why some buildings have a visible attack radius when you place them and some buildings don't`
`11:30.11`	`Beider`	`UdderChaos: also on my todo list`
`11:30.15`	`Beider`	`but won't have time until this weekend`
`11:30.27`	`Beider`	`I already did a WSAD movment, was planning on doing a followup with camera`
`11:30.35`	`UdderChaos`	`ah cool thanks`
`11:30.50`	`UdderChaos`	`theres a map with it in but when i copy the triggers it doesn't work`
`11:30.58`	`UdderChaos`	`makes no sense lol`
`11:31.52`	`Stimpack`	`but i rly love the tutorials on sc2mapster saw almost evrything big thx for these keep up the great work`
`11:32.10`	`Beider`	`^^`
`11:32.25`	`Beider`	`Well it would actually be possible to make a very easy to use camera script`
`11:32.43`	`Beider`	`where you just have to copy the folder over and do AddCamera(Player, 3d person) or something like that`
`11:32.51`	`UdderChaos`	`He has a make camra look at postion of unit, and then does an apply camera object for roation distance angle and height, i would of that that was all you needed but there must be some sort of intialisation that im missing.`
`11:33.20`	`Beider`	`UdderChaos: Most likely an update, as you need to update the camera when the unit moves`
`11:33.28`	`Beider`	`I would think`
`11:33.36`	`UdderChaos`	`well he has a periodic timer as the event`
`11:33.43`	`UdderChaos`	`which i coppied too`
`11:33.54`	`Beider`	`and did you update all IF conditions to your unit?`
`11:34.03`	`UdderChaos`	`yes`
`11:35.40`	`Beider`	`Hmm, I am going to go experient with mods`
`11:35.46`	`Beider`	`maybe I could just make a camera / wsad movement mod`
`11:35.51`	`Beider`	`that you can add to your project`
`11:36.21`	`Beider`	`PS. I am still looking for balance testers for my map with EU clients`
`11:36.45`	`UdderChaos`	`i can do that if u need`
`11:36.54`	`Beider`	`neat`
`11:36.54`	`UdderChaos`	`play most game competatively so`
`11:37.02`	`Beider`	`err`
`11:37.04`	`Beider`	`forgot to mention`
`11:37.07`	`Beider`	`it's a tower defence :P`
`11:37.09`	`Beider`	`sorry`
`11:37.10`	`Beider`	`^^`
`11:37.11`	`UdderChaos`	`lol ok`
`11:37.13`	`UdderChaos`	`its fine`
`11:37.24`	`UdderChaos`	`jsut saying`
`11:37.26`	`UdderChaos`	`*just`
`11:37.30`	`UdderChaos`	`i understand balance`
`11:37.44`	`UdderChaos`	`but i do have severe dyslexia, as you can see :D`
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`11:38.57`	`Beider`	`^^`
`11:41.00`	`Beider`	`ok that's bull`
`11:41.06`	`Beider`	`you can't make mods with triggers`
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`11:53.43`	`Stimpack`	`im eu if you want to test anything @beider`
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`12:00.25`	`Xan`	`Ok I officially suck at data editor, I just made SC2 crash`
`12:00.25`	`Xan`	`:S`
`12:01.15`	`Xan`	`ugh I give up`
`12:04.46`	`Stimpack`	`xD`
`12:05.19`	`Xan`	`if someone is willing to do it for me (basically create a firebat unit, academy building, and disable most of the tech tree), I will help you with terrain/cinematics or other things I can do (if you want). I will give you full credit of course. This is the map I'm making: http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/starcraft-prologue-remake/`
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`12:13.28`	`Fukle`	`Anyone know how I can remove the Dark Templar's cloak? I can't find it under abiliets.`
`12:13.36`	`Fukle`	`abilities*`
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`12:21.41`	`Stimpack`	`yeah`
`12:21.45`	`Stimpack`	`look under flags`
`12:21.54`	`Stimpack`	`and remove cloaked`
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`12:26.36`	`Stimpack`	`can somebody tell me how to attach an actor model to an effect or ability properly ?`
`12:27.57`	`Beider`	`Xan: Duplicate a marine and add the hellion weapon to it, voila you got a firebat`
`12:28.07`	`Beider`	`maybe play a bit with the weapon scale`
`12:28.54`	`Kalapixie`	`Hehehe. Hey everyone. Just got my hands on the editor....a bit different from the SC1 editor. ^_^`
`12:29.09`	`Beider`	`indeed it is`
`12:29.36`	`Beider`	`Kalapixie: If you want to watch some video tutorials check this link, http://www.livestream.com/beider/folder?dirId=4c68b802-d583-4aa8-80f0-d2a5a2146d02`
`12:29.44`	`Kalapixie`	`I skipped out on the whole Warcraft 3 phase, which I'm assuming this editor is similar to.`
`12:30.17`	`Kalapixie`	`Beider: Thanks.`
`12:31.14`	`Xan`	`Beider: I tried changing the ghost academy to a normal academy but when i build it the game crashes :/`
`12:32.43`	`Kalapixie`	`On the plus side though, I am a programmer, so it shouldn't be too far out for me to learn the Galaxy Editor.`
`12:33.25`	`Xan`	`Kalapixie: unless you want to learn the data editor :P`
`12:33.32`	`Beider`	`Kalapixie: Well the data editor is a pain, but luckily you can avoid using it if you want and just make custom skills with the trigger editor`
`12:33.37`	`Xan`	`which makes no sense at all`
`12:33.38`	`Xan`	`:(`
`12:34.55`	`Kalapixie`	`What I meant is the logic of programming. Most programmers, hell, any Good programmers, you can show them a completely foreign language or system.`
`12:35.09`	`Xan`	`been working with the data editor for like 5 hours, and in the end I got nowhere at all`
`12:35.16`	`Kalapixie`	`And for most and a large part, what one learns in one programming language can be converted to another`
`12:35.35`	`Xan`	`Kalapixie: well for triggers or scripting programming experience is a plus`
`12:36.34`	`Xan`	`althoguh I doubt it's required, the UI is pretty simple`
`12:36.40`	`Kalapixie`	`Beider: The tutorial you sent me, apparently is not loud enough. I'm maxing out my laptop speakers and can barely hear the dude.`
`12:36.55`	`Beider`	`Kalapixie: That dude would be me, and yes I know it's a problem :P`
`12:37.20`	`Kalapixie`	`Would probably be a nice voice if I could hear it ducks`
`12:37.22`	`Kalapixie`	`^_6`
`12:39.14`	`Beider`	`^^`
`12:40.12`	`Kalapixie`	`Luckily, I got my handy dandy earbuds, which amplify the sound by like ten..... Sometimes in a very painful way....I'll be listening to normal level music, plug in my ear buds and AHHH OH MY GOD MY EARS ARE BLEEDING.`
`12:40.14`	`Kalapixie`	`^_^`
`12:40.31`	`Beider`	`hehe`
`12:41.38`	`Clord`	`I have triggered entire damn AI to play map based to spawning structures etc...... it is quite good... even ability usage is triggered ^^`
`12:42.13`	`Clord`	`when they have something to attack in range of siege tank.. siege tank goes siege mode... when it start idle it unsiege and start doing whatever he was ordered to do`
`12:42.31`	`Clord`	`gotta love this "before existing orders" =)`
`12:43.45`	`Clord`	`I also made AI to understand how to use stimpack... when they are in combat and 100% life they use it under those conditions`
`12:43.52`	`Clord`	`while attacking stuff`
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`12:45.17`	`Beider`	`:P`
`12:45.28`	`Beider`	`and is your AI hard to beat?`
`12:45.41`	`Beider`	`could make really neat siege AI though`
`12:46.07`	`Clord`	`well it is hard to beat =)`
`12:46.11`	`Beider`	`go through all units in range, check the area around each unit to count how many units there are there, then target the unit where the splash would do the most dmg`
`12:46.17`	`Kalapixie`	`Is terrain height mapping traditionally laggy, or is it my underperforming laptop?`
`12:46.45`	`Beider`	`Kalapixie: Your laptop I would think, unless you have the application speed set to very slow or slow`
`12:46.47`	`Beider`	`then it feels laggy`
`12:47.09`	`Clord`	`that AI uses everything via triggers including 250MM cannons =)`
`12:47.19`	`Clord`	`or was it 225MM cannons`
`12:47.20`	`Clord`	`lol`
`12:48.18`	`Clord`	`in beginning they traditionally all send forces to center to fight..... ^^ then later they start each pick teams to their target.... to destroy them`
`12:48.31`	`Repo`	`New map: http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/zerg-invasion1-0b/. Zerg-Invasion1.0b. insanesanc (Manager/Author). Approved by vjeux.`
`12:48.32`	`Clord`	`they even garrison base bunkers what there is`
`12:48.35`	`Repo`	`New map: http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/elitefastest/. (3v3) Elite Fastest. Onefreeman1337 (Manager/Author). Approved by vjeux.`
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`12:49.24`	`Clord`	`for now I want just to publish those maps via publishing feature....`
`12:49.36`	`Clord`	`amount effort putted to them is killing me`
`12:49.37`	`Clord`	`lol`
`12:49.53`	`Clord`	`mapping 2AM >_>`
`12:59.08`	`Hati`	`mornin`
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`13:04.35`	`Kalapixie`	`morning`
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`13:13.47`	`Stimpack`	`can somebody help me to attach an actor model to an effect or ability properly ?`
`13:15.40`	`jb55`	`This seems to be a common issue`
`13:15.46`	`jb55`	`I see it pop up so many times`
`13:16.04`	`pierro`	`@Stimpack what do u wxant to do`
`13:16.05`	`Hati`	`Stimpack: specify your prob?`
`13:16.40`	`Stimpack`	`i made an groupheal ability and it works fine exect the visual effect`
`13:16.52`	`Stimpack`	`i created an actormodel`
`13:17.01`	`Stimpack`	`with the medivac heal model`
`13:17.18`	`Hati`	`whichh medivac heal model?`
`13:17.21`	`Hati`	`the "+" or beam`
`13:17.22`	`Hati`	`?`
`13:17.27`	`Stimpack`	`the +`
`13:17.40`	`Hati`	`well basically you have to set something like Attachment Query+`
`13:17.50`	`Hati`	`to either SOpAttachOverhead`
`13:17.56`	`Hati`	`or SOpAttachCente`
`13:17.57`	`Hati`	`r`
`13:17.59`	`Stimpack`	`ah`
`13:18.07`	`Stimpack`	`that could be it`
`13:18.15`	`Xan`	`anyone know why the skyboxes don't work?`
`13:18.17`	`Stimpack`	`thx im gonna try it`
`13:18.31`	`Hati`	`Xan - try Braxis Map (as default)`
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`13:18.54`	`Hati`	`and then simply do the thing like Effect.Blubb.On Create & Effect.Blubb.Off Destroy`
`13:18.57`	`Hati`	`in Events+`
`13:19.01`	`Ousnius`	`I'm searching for someone to play my map since 2 days now... XD`
`13:19.05`	`Ousnius`	`& hi`
`13:19.31`	`Hati`	`didn't we just yesterday :o ?`
`13:19.46`	`Ousnius`	`yes but not the newwest version I build in the night xD`
`13:19.52`	`Ousnius`	`built`
`13:20.42`	`Xan`	`Hati: what? It's just black for me when you look up to the sky`
`13:20.43`	`Xan`	`:\|`
`13:20.46`	`Kalapixie`	`I'm freezing T_T`
`13:20.50`	`Clord`	`I was able to HIDE UI but what I need to keep from UI is minimap as shown because otherwise survivors what start from random places on map has really hard time to cooperate.... >_>`
`13:21.07`	`Hati`	`Xan: create new map use Braxis Alpha(?) as start-setting`
`13:21.20`	`Hati`	`or just go into the Terrain settings`
`13:21.24`	`Hati`	`and set your skybox there`
`13:21.36`	`Kalapixie`	`Whoever uses Livestream...please stop. The ads are crazy annoying. It's not that I don't want to support whoever is using the ads to make money, it's just...they are REALLY ANNOYING.`
`13:22.14`	`pierro`	`Does anyone know if there is a software to create dynamic flowchart ?? i'd like to make one for a unit (for now i just writte line after line) like google doc but butter`
`13:22.54`	`Hati`	`openoffice has this too but dunno if its better`
`13:22.59`	`Hati`	`iirc`
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`13:24.09`	`Clord`	`so anybody have idea how to enable minimap in-game after "hide UI"? ^^ I know trigger to show UI parts again but it is not in the list?`
`13:24.42`	`Clord`	`menu bar etc was in the list to show/hide but not minimap so far`
`13:26.04`	`Beider`	`woo, done making my easy to copy movement functionality`
`13:26.25`	`Beider`	`all you need to do to add WSAD movement to any player is just run a function, "Register Movement For Player(PlayerID, Unit)"`
`13:26.31`	`Beider`	`and the player can move the unit with WSAD`
`13:26.38`	`Beider`	`Now just to do the same with camera controls ^^`
`13:27.20`	`Clord`	`I used more typical simpler method to do that movement side of things`
`13:27.25`	`Clord`	`detecting down, up buttons etc`
`13:27.28`	`Clord`	`works excellent`
`13:27.56`	`Beider`	`yes that is what this script does as well, but now I made it so you can add unit movement to any map in about 10 seconds`
`13:28.04`	`Beider`	`copy over the folder, then run that command`
`13:28.07`	`Beider`	`and you got WSAD movement`
`13:28.16`	`Clord`	`and units not try to go around obstacles when trying to run against wall because they are ordered so close forward while still keeping movement smooth`
`13:28.18`	`Stimpack`	`Hm the model still doesnt work @ haiti it wont show up`
`13:28.41`	`Hati`	`Stimpack: have you set the On Effect do stuff?`
`13:28.44`	`Hati`	`Events+`
`13:28.47`	`Clord`	`so anybody has no idea how to show minimap/radar after hiding UI >_>`
`13:28.49`	`Truhan`	`awesome, I feel like an idiot for telling anyone this but`
`13:28.51`	`Stimpack`	`jup`
`13:28.59`	`Truhan`	`I just discovered Windows ReadyBoost`
`13:29.04`	`Stimpack`	`i did effect.myeffect`
`13:29.07`	`Stimpack`	`and then create`
`13:29.10`	`Beider`	`Truhan: Create your own`
`13:29.12`	`Hati`	`have you set a Host ?`
`13:29.30`	`Stimpack`	`should i do something under subnaem ?`
`13:29.33`	`Stimpack`	`*subname`
`13:29.46`	`Hati`	`subname ??`
`13:29.47`	`Beider`	`Truhan: Show an image with the minimap, then move an image that shows a little dot or so around on it depending on where on the map the player is`
`13:30.07`	`Stimpack`	`in events+`
`13:30.13`	`Stimpack`	`and effects`
`13:30.27`	`Hati`	`might add something like Start`
`13:30.28`	`Hati`	`or On`
`13:30.32`	`Hati`	`depending on your effect`
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`13:30.59`	`Stimpack`	`k i tired start but it did nothing`
`13:31.05`	`Stimpack`	`its the host probably`
`13:31.14`	`Stimpack`	`how do i set it ?`
`13:31.15`	`Hati`	`add under Subject "_Selectable"`
`13:31.51`	`Stimpack`	`yeah thats what i tried after looking into the medivac heal model because it was set there too and still nothing`
`13:31.54`	`Stimpack`	`i dont get it :/`
`13:32.04`	`Hati`	`make a screen`
`13:32.07`	`Hati`	`and query me or post :x`
`13:32.24`	`Stimpack`	`i will thx`
`13:34.11`	`Verr82`	`Window > Lighting > turn down the saturation. your game is now art`
`13:37.35`	`Stimpack`	`http://img191.imageshack.us/img191/2755/newbitmapimageuj.png @Hati`
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`13:46.22`	`Zachet`	`Someone should help a brother out, I can't find where the missile explosion animation plays on the rocket test map on http://forums.sc2mapster.com/development/map-development/397-making-a-rocket-launcher-missile-that-collides-with/#posts by quantomenance`
`13:46.23`	`Zachet`	`:)`
`13:47.33`	`Ousnius`	`Hati can we test my maps triggers again pls? >.<`
`13:47.48`	`Hati`	`not yet`
`13:47.55`	`Hati`	`~30min`
`13:47.59`	`Ousnius`	`kay`
`13:50.25`	`Xtek`	`Morning.`
`13:50.35`	`TheDudeAbides`	`howdy`
`14:02.23`	`TheDudeAbides`	`omg i crashed the editor`
`14:02.29`	`TheDudeAbides`	`by copy/pasting triggers!`
`14:02.47`	`TheDudeAbides`	`oh no wait, it just froze for no reason..`
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`14:04.54`	`Zachet`	`So it's now been two hours can I still can't find this weapons missile explosion :O`
`14:05.06`	`228zip	`the marauder's ?`
`14:05.25`	`Zachet`	`Specifically the one on http://forums.sc2mapster.com/development/map-development/397-making-a-rocket-launcher-missile-that-collides-with/#posts - Quantommeances test map`
`14:05.29`	`Zachet`	`for data collision rockets`
`14:06.15`	`Kalapixie`	`Okay quick question from a noob. Is it possible to run a out-of-starcraft cutscene or video, using the Galaxy Editor? (Such as me making my own pre-rendered 3D cutscene and having the players of the map watch it)`
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`14:06.32`	`Zachet`	`Yes, it is possible.`
`14:06.49`	`Zachet`	`I believe you can import videos into a type of texture or overlay image`
`14:06.53`	`Zachet`	`It's been done.`
`14:06.56`	`Zachet`	`I am not sure how easily`
`14:07.09`	`Kalapixie`	`Yay...now I can force my players to watch Another One Bites The Dust every time they play my map...MUHAHAHA`
`14:07.11`	`Kalapixie`	`ducks`
`14:07.16`	`Zachet`	`hahaha`
`14:07.38`	`Zachet`	`Now if you import a large quality full dvd movie.... the map may be too big`
`14:07.44`	`Kalapixie`	`yeah I know`
`14:07.47`	`art[]`	`piracy over bnet 2.0??`
`14:07.48`	`Zachet`	`It also has to be moved to a special format`
`14:07.48`	`Zachet`	`mkay`
`14:08.05`	`Zachet`	`Explain ARt`
`14:08.12`	`Kalapixie`	`I was actually thinking about making several maps that move into each other, like a miniature campaign, with cutscenes between each map.`
`14:08.25`	`art[]`	`stick some music files into the map, publish ;p`
`14:08.31`	`Zachet`	`Ahhh`
`14:08.34`	`Zachet`	`Yeah...`
`14:08.36`	`art[]`	`lol`
`14:08.41`	`Zachet`	`I was thinking about that before to`
`14:08.48`	`Zachet`	`Good way to transfer documents over`
`14:08.50`	`Zachet`	`;)`
`14:09.01`	`TheDudeAbides`	`are you crazy`
`14:09.04`	`TheDudeAbides`	`its gonna take forever`
`14:09.04`	`art[]`	`encrypt them, give the key to people you want to be able to get it`
`14:09.07`	`Zachet`	`rofl`
`14:09.11`	`art[]`	`lol`
`14:09.13`	`TheDudeAbides`	`use torrents like everyone else and download full albums`
`14:09.17`	`Zachet`	`I was about to say PGP encrypt them art`
`14:09.19`	`Zachet`	`:D`
`14:09.23`	`Kalapixie`	`giggles`
`14:09.42`	`Zachet`	`Torrents are too easy and easily trackable`
`14:10.00`	`Kalapixie`	`But yeah, what I would need is the ability to embed or play external video files, the ability for when one map ends, to start the next map, and the ability to transfer variables across maps.`
`14:10.11`	`Kalapixie`	`Even if the latter two aren't possible, I can still make it work`
`14:10.17`	`Zachet`	`I believe you have to use the Bank for that kalapxiie`
`14:10.25`	`Zachet`	`It's like a mini-database?`
`14:10.27`	`Zachet`	`Not positive`
`14:10.35`	`TheDudeAbides`	`why call it bank then`
`14:10.44`	`Kalapixie`	`you're banking variables?`
`14:10.49`	`Kalapixie`	`like cookies or cache`
`14:11.00`	`TheDudeAbides`	`maybe its cause theres gonna be a bank system in the campaigns`
`14:11.08`	`Zachet`	`O.o`
`14:11.13`	`Zachet`	`I think it's just a term`
`14:11.17`	`Zachet`	`for database`
`14:11.19`	`Kalapixie`	`but yeah, multi-map campaign for the win ^_^`
`14:11.20`	`Zachet`	`of sorts`
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`14:11.26`	`TheDudeAbides`	`hehe probably`
`14:11.29`	`TheDudeAbides`	`i didnt toy with that yet`
`14:11.32`	`Zachet`	`ditto`
`14:11.44`	`Zachet`	`I am still spending hours looking for an animation in a weapon`
`14:11.48`	`Zachet`	`crying`
`14:12.08`	`TheDudeAbides`	`maybe its cause animations are driven by actors`
`14:12.13`	`TheDudeAbides`	`that uses a given model`
`14:12.22`	`TheDudeAbides`	`for some missile unit`
`14:12.23`	`Kalapixie`	`and if it's possible to randomize what maps you play, you could even do a whole mario-party style gameplay. You start the main map, everyone rolls, and then you save the current map state, start up a new minigame map, finish that, save it, and load up the saved state of the main map.`
`14:12.35`	`TheDudeAbides`	`and weapon just contains the stats of the weapon, not how it renders in game`
`14:12.37`	`Kalapixie`	`So then you get mario-party games. Although that's probably way more complicated than it needs to be`
`14:12.39`	`Zachet`	`<PROTECTED>`
`14:12.42`	`Zachet`	`s missing the explosion`
`14:12.56`	`TheDudeAbides`	`maybe the explosion is a different actor`
`14:13.03`	`TheDudeAbides`	`the nuke does that i think`
`14:13.03`	`Zachet`	`I checked all linked actors`
`14:13.07`	`Zachet`	`=/`
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`14:13.18`	`TheDudeAbides`	`you must've gone over something`
`14:14.01`	`Zachet`	`I've quad-checked 8x -- which is why I am sad`
`14:14.43`	`Grum`	`Zachet: the problem is that some actors might have a event handler for the creation of your missile`
`14:15.01`	`Grum`	`and some of those references are nto found by the editor`
`14:15.11`	`Grum`	`and yes that is lame, and yes that makes it barely possible to find them`
`14:15.22`	`Zachet`	`Okay... that does make sense`
`14:15.30`	`Zachet`	`I'll look at that direction`
`14:15.36`	`TheDudeAbides`	`i get a feeling that some day the editor will only be used for terrain and importing data/triggers`
`14:15.42`	`Grum`	`TheDudeAbides: not really`
`14:15.49`	`TheDudeAbides`	`and we'll have third party programs that do a much better job at editing those`
`14:15.55`	`Grum`	`you can do proper data editing with it BUT it needs a lot of work to work nicely`
`14:16.04`	`Zachet`	`Holy shit grum`
`14:16.07`	`Zachet`	`you're a genius`
`14:16.09`	`Zachet`	`stay on here more often`
`14:16.16`	`TheDudeAbides`	`lol`
`14:16.20`	`Grum`	`erm .. i am always here lol`
`14:16.26`	`TheDudeAbides`	`yeah, its powerful, with annoyances`
`14:16.40`	`Grum`	`Zachet: i am having exactly the same problems`
`14:16.45`	`Grum`	`and i am thoughly frustrated with it`
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`14:21.30`	`Zachet`	`I ended up changing the data source to the specific mapd and it showed me all map-changed actors`
`14:22.33`	`Zachet`	`But now I am going to have to copy this ability 25 times all giving the missile a 0.2 height difference and shoot each one based on my units height as there's no real way to grab the missile object and change its height`
`14:23.16`	`pierro`	`do u know how can i set 3 orb flying around my unit. And when it cast a spell an orb disappear ?`
`14:23.44`	`Zachet`	`make an animation of a orb flying around a circle`
`14:23.47`	`TheDudeAbides`	`zachet: i hear ya, i wish there was a way for objects to evaluate properties at runtime each time theyre needed`
`14:23.47`	`Zachet`	`attach it to your unit`
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`14:23.48`	`Grum`	`pierro: lol :p`
`14:24.00`	`Grum`	`yes you can do that hehe but easy is different`
`14:24.12`	`Grum`	`you can do it quite trivially with triggers but erm ...`
`14:24.24`	`TheDudeAbides`	`yeah triggers arent the way to go for that`
`14:24.31`	`Zachet`	`Triggers are always the way to go`
`14:24.32`	`Zachet`	`;)`
`14:24.38`	`TheDudeAbides`	`lol`
`14:24.45`	`TheDudeAbides`	`everything uses "triggers" so to speak`
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`14:24.51`	`TheDudeAbides`	`but most events are handled directly in actors`
`14:25.01`	`TheDudeAbides`	`since thats what the actor model is for`
`14:25.03`	`Zachet`	`I just find I can do anything with triggers if I put enough effort into it...`
`14:25.05`	`pierro`	`so how can i handle it in events ?`
`14:25.06`	`Zachet`	`although data is more effecient`
`14:25.18`	`Grum`	`yeah one downside`
`14:25.24`	`Grum`	`the limit of triggers is 2mb`
`14:25.29`	`Zachet`	`O'really?`
`14:25.29`	`Zachet`	`sob`
`14:25.29`	`TheDudeAbides`	`of text?`
`14:25.31`	`Grum`	`the limit of data .. well there is none`
`14:25.32`	`TheDudeAbides`	`or compiled`
`14:25.36`	`Grum`	`not sure, could be compiled`
`14:25.43`	`Grum`	`could be the galaxyscript generated`
`14:25.51`	`Grum`	`ask Hati ! :D`
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`14:25.57`	`Zachet`	`Has he reached it?`
`14:26.00`	`TheDudeAbides`	`lol`
`14:26.00`	`Grum`	`no`
`14:26.02`	`Grum`	`he told me; )`
`14:26.06`	`Grum`	`IIRC ;)`
`14:26.10`	`Zachet`	`hmmies`
`14:26.20`	`TheDudeAbides`	`well if you use only custom code, that makes MUCH less galaxy code in the end`
`14:26.35`	`TheDudeAbides`	`the triggers generate quite a lot of safeguard code that is totally unneeded`
`14:26.41`	`TheDudeAbides`	`like initializing variables twice`
`14:27.22`	`Grum`	`its not thta bad`
`14:27.25`	`TheDudeAbides`	`yeah`
`14:27.33`	`Grum`	`when you compile it all that is simply taken out`
`14:27.34`	`Hati`	`?`
`14:27.37`	`TheDudeAbides`	`just annoying when you're used to time-critical C++ code :x`
`14:27.59`	`TheDudeAbides`	`ah yeah, assuming they use an optimizing compiler`
`14:28.13`	`TheDudeAbides`	`which isnt something you see everyday in scripting`
`14:28.29`	`Zachet`	`Well god damnit... that means I'll have to have 25 abilities and 25 Units for each weapon in my game lmfao`
`14:28.49`	`Grum`	`so what? that should be a trivial amount to make`
`14:29.04`	`TheDudeAbides`	`no way to make attachment points on the units, and create the missiles from there?`
`14:29.28`	`TheDudeAbides`	`i mean units in sc2 can have multiple heights if you take terrain in account`
`14:29.29`	`Grum`	`afiak missiles are 'unit ammo' and have their own actor`
`14:29.33`	`TheDudeAbides`	`and they only have one missile type`
`14:29.54`	`TheDudeAbides`	`yeah, but the missile actor is spawned at an attachment point in the launching unit`
`14:30.11`	`Hati`	`Grum: do you know if its possible to customize weapon tooltip?`
`14:30.15`	`TheDudeAbides`	`it should keep that height unless it has a curve applied to it`
`14:30.22`	`Hati`	`like say edit Dmg to smth like 4-5`
`14:30.27`	`Hati`	`as this is possible with sets :x`
`14:30.29`	`Zachet`	`It does if I shoot it as a literal weapon but I am using it as an instant ability so its not shooting from an attachment point on the unit but on the units position...`
`14:30.36`	`Grum`	`Hati: mmmm not sure`
`14:30.42`	`Grum`	`i know you can give the description`
`14:30.45`	`Grum`	`no idea where it gets the data from`
`14:30.54`	`Hati`	`DisplayEffect :x`
`14:31.00`	`Zachet`	`?`
`14:31.06`	`TheDudeAbides`	`if its an instant why do you need missiles in the first place?`
`14:31.19`	`TheDudeAbides`	`just show a boom at the target`
`14:31.20`	`Grum`	`Hati: oh seriously, it just copies the damage from there?`
`14:31.21`	`Repo`	`Knowledge base page update: http://www.sc2mapster.com/api-docs/galaxy-editor/edit-menu/undo-redo-cut-copy/ by Statcomm`
`14:31.25`	`Hati`	`yea`
`14:31.34`	`Hati`	`but if you use a Set (EffectSet) for dmg calc`
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`14:31.38`	`Zachet`	`It's a side-scroller, the missile is not instant the shooting ability is instant`
`14:31.41`	`Hati`	`iam quite sure it will be 0`
`14:31.44`	`Zachet`	`the missile ability has a collision effect`
`14:31.50`	`TheDudeAbides`	`ah`
`14:32.08`	`TheDudeAbides`	`there should be a way, i just dont know how with abilities`
`14:32.15`	`TheDudeAbides`	`or else its gonna be annoying`
`14:32.37`	`Zachet`	`I can turn it into a weapon but there's no way to shoot towards a direction without a unit, right?`
`14:33.04`	`TheDudeAbides`	`could always place dummy units at the very end of the scroller`
`14:33.08`	`TheDudeAbides`	`that are invisible`
`14:33.15`	`TheDudeAbides`	`and make the weapon shoot at them if no other targets`
`14:33.20`	`Zachet`	`I was actually thinking about that... I figured it may interfere with multiplayer support`
`14:33.27`	`TheDudeAbides`	`oh lol`
`14:33.42`	`Grum`	`Hati: you could have the set effect create itself through a dummy actor and some events`
`14:33.45`	`Grum`	`but wtfmeh`
`14:33.59`	`Hati`	`??`
`14:34.06`	`Hati`	`still iam sure it will not be displayed`
`14:34.14`	`Hati`	`as the Set Effect has no Amount`
`14:34.20`	`Grum`	`well you can then use a dummy Damage Effect for the actual ability`
`14:34.32`	`Zachet`	`I tried using Trggier: Effect create with height offset but the ability is created with an offset but the model doesn't change with the offset it is created off the effect with its same 0.3 height art`
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`14:37.11`	`Ousnius`	`hati my map now? ;P`
`14:37.25`	`Hati`	`link?`
`14:37.32`	`Ousnius`	`w8 uplaoding`
`14:38.06`	`Sholdak`	`http://bbs.islga.org/read-htm-tid-40363.html`
`14:38.14`	`Sholdak`	`crazy map ^`
`14:38.36`	`Grum`	`crazygood?`
`14:38.40`	`Sholdak`	`umm`
`14:38.47`	`Sholdak`	`not sure, but definately crazy :p`
`14:39.34`	`Grum`	`wht language is it? jp?`
`14:39.43`	`Sholdak`	`uhh, chinese i think?`
`14:39.49`	`Sholdak`	`i dont think the strings in there matter though`
`14:39.59`	`Grum`	`the description does ;)`
`14:40.39`	`Grum`	`trigger or data? :D`
`14:40.52`	`Sholdak`	`http://www.islga.org/`
`14:40.56`	`Sholdak`	`scroll down for the video`
`14:41.38`	`Ousnius`	`Hati: uplaoded`
`14:41.44`	`Hati`	`link`
`14:42.06`	`Zachet`	`omfg I just realized I also have to make an actor for all 25 weapons also`
`14:42.08`	`Zachet`	`god damnit`
`14:42.25`	`Grum`	`HOLY FUCK`
`14:42.26`	`Ousnius`	`http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/tankteam-ousnius/`
`14:42.46`	`Grum`	`http://you.video.sina.com.cn/api/sinawebApi/outplayrefer.php/vid=32489926_1653213652/s.swf <-- direct to video`
`14:43.21`	`Zachet`	`O.o is that safe for work?`
`14:43.37`	`Hati`	`come online Ousnius :X`
`14:43.54`	`Grum`	`yes its sfw`
`14:43.55`	`Grum`	`but CRAZY`
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`14:44.31`	`Zachet`	`oh damn`
`14:44.33`	`Zachet`	`that's crazy`
`14:44.37`	`Sholdak`	`hmm, it's all done in galaxy`
`14:44.42`	`Sholdak`	`imported mapscript`
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`14:45.21`	`nicoli_s`	`very cool`
`14:46.01`	`Grum`	`its .... insane haha`
`14:46.10`	`Grum`	`but just for the amount of 'stuff to dodge'`
`14:46.16`	`Grum`	`not as much the skills to program it ;D`
`14:47.40`	`Grum`	`skill to play is higher than skill to make in this case hehe`
`14:49.19`	`nicoli_s`	`good find sholdak`
`14:49.27`	`sjaak`	`sigh, the editor is sometimes just ignoring the truthfullness of my Real Value comparison conditions`
`14:49.58`	`TheDudeAbides`	`always tricky to compare reals for equality`
`14:50.11`	`TheDudeAbides`	`especially if you did arithmetic before on one of them`
`14:50.21`	`TheDudeAbides`	`since it doesnt always round, ie you get 1.0 == 1.00001`
`14:50.24`	`TheDudeAbides`	`and it returns false`
`14:50.54`	`Hati`	`yea just do a floor thing`
`14:50.56`	`Hati`	`before`
`14:50.57`	`sjaak`	`ah I see`
`14:51.04`	`sjaak`	`floor thing?`
`14:51.10`	`Hati`	`flooring the number to 2 precision`
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`14:51.14`	`Hati`	`so 1.00001 = 1`
`14:51.15`	`sjaak`	`ah ok`
`14:51.19`	`Hati`	`but 1.21 = 1.21`
`14:51.28`	`TheDudeAbides`	`round might be better`
`14:51.37`	`TheDudeAbides`	`since floor(1.99) == 1.0`
`14:51.43`	`Hati`	`floor to 2 precision :)`
`14:51.44`	`TheDudeAbides`	`and round(1.99) = 2`
`14:51.46`	`Hati`	`not to 0`
`14:51.49`	`TheDudeAbides`	`ah yeah :D`
`14:51.53`	`TheDudeAbides`	`still round :D`
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`14:53.20`	`hawtpawkithero`	`Is it possible to replace all selected units with a completely different unit?`
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`14:54.16`	`TheDudeAbides`	`yeah`
`14:54.34`	`TheDudeAbides`	`for each unit in unit group -> replace unit`
`14:54.51`	`TheDudeAbides`	`and use the current selection as the group`
`14:55.09`	`TheDudeAbides`	`and picked unit for the target unit`
`14:55.19`	`hawtpawkithero`	`is there a way to do it without triggers? Its just that I made the whole map and pre arranged a ton of units, and now I changed my mind on the unit type`
`14:55.36`	`TheDudeAbides`	`ah you mean in the editor?`
`14:55.37`	`Alpha_vst`	`lol`
`14:55.39`	`hawtpawkithero`	`as in just changing it in the editor, not at run time`
`14:55.42`	`hawtpawkithero`	`yeah`
`14:55.47`	`Alpha_vst`	`nope`
`14:55.53`	`hawtpawkithero`	`I spent like 3 hours arranging these units the way I wanted bawww.`
`14:56.06`	`TheDudeAbides`	`yeah nope`
`14:56.12`	`TheDudeAbides`	`although`
`14:56.17`	`Grum`	`you cabb`
`14:56.20`	`TheDudeAbides`	`you could modify the data of the existing unit`
`14:56.26`	`TheDudeAbides`	`to make it the one you want to replace it with`
`14:56.30`	`Grum`	`there is search n replace`
`14:56.32`	`*** join/#sc2mapster ckknight (~ckknight@WoWUIDev/WoWAce/CurseStaff/CurseForge/ckknight)`
`14:56.32`	`*** mode/#sc2mapster [+o ckknight] by ChanServ`
`14:56.32`	`TheDudeAbides`	`if thats faster than replacing all units one by one`
`14:56.36`	`TheDudeAbides`	`lol`
`14:56.36`	`Alpha_vst`	`wait`
`14:56.45`	`Grum`	`sorry cat on lap and keyboard ;D`
`14:57.05`	`TheDudeAbides`	`lol no way, there is find and replace`
`14:57.07`	`Alpha_vst`	`yeah you can search and replace units`
`14:57.23`	`Alpha_vst`	`that's awesome`
`14:57.25`	`Clord`	`as I was not able to enable minimap only from UI with menu bar... I made camera pan to show target goal area to re-group with other survivors ^^`
`14:57.41`	`Clord`	`and made it visible area for everyone`
`14:58.52`	`*** join/#sc2mapster Alpha_vst (~Alpha_vst@c-24-5-9-172.hsd1.ca.comcast.net)`
`14:59.05`	`Clord`	`so unless player has horrible memory he finds that area what is shown less than minute ago`
`14:59.10`	`Clord`	`it is random each time where it is =)`
`14:59.47`	`Alpha_vst`	`i thought of a new unit for my map a slow moving creature that puts down lava trails woot`
`15:00.32`	`Clord`	`I used boss bars for player life, energy, enemy boss Queen life and for "mutation level" bar ^^`
`15:00.40`	`Clord`	`quite handy feature`
`15:01.00`	`TheDudeAbides`	`i use it for timers in my TD to display the time between wave`
`15:01.16`	`TheDudeAbides`	`and when in hardcore mode, to display how many units left to kill before the next wave spawns on your ass`
`15:01.23`	`Alpha_vst`	`boss bars suck`
`15:01.39`	`TheDudeAbides`	`nah`
`15:01.42`	`TheDudeAbides`	`progress bar on the screen`
`15:01.44`	`Alpha_vst`	`couldnt get them to display for a single player lol`
`15:01.47`	`Clord`	`in start dialog box appear with two pictures.. hovering over them shows tooltip information about unit and when clicked.... unit is choosed to player`
`15:01.59`	`TheDudeAbides`	`the dialogtriggers only allow for screen buttons as far as i know`
`15:02.09`	`*** join/#sc2mapster kumori (~kumori@host98-202.bornet.net)`
`15:02.09`	`*** join/#sc2mapster Ingela (~Ingela@90-229-183-205-no35.tbcn.telia.com)`
`15:02.21`	`TheDudeAbides`	`dialogs in sc2 are sexy`
`15:02.22`	`Clord`	`currently my survivor types are.. marine and ghost`
`15:02.34`	`TheDudeAbides`	`how about a zergling survivor`
`15:02.38`	`Clord`	`ghost is weak but can cloack`
`15:02.39`	`TheDudeAbides`	`that levels up all the way to uberlisk`
`15:02.40`	`Clord`	`cloak`
`15:02.53`	`Clord`	`lol this map is something like that`
`15:02.59`	`Clord`	`mutation level goes up and new type of zergs appear`
`15:03.03`	`TheDudeAbides`	`hehe`
`15:03.10`	`TheDudeAbides`	`make your marine level up and gain size`
`15:03.17`	`Alpha_vst`	`lol`
`15:03.18`	`TheDudeAbides`	`then it can buy an armor, and it gets the thor model`
`15:03.22`	`Clord`	`zergling -> hydra -> baneling -> roach -> ultralisk`
`15:03.35`	`TheDudeAbides`	`dunno, baneling looks primitive`
`15:03.44`	`Zachet`	`w00t almost done just need 25 if then statements for fire`
`15:03.50`	`TheDudeAbides`	`id make it baneling -> zergling -> hydra -> roach -> ultra`
`15:03.52`	`Clord`	`lol those are enemy forces... they appear in that order in mutation levels`
`15:03.55`	`*** join/#sc2mapster Jamash (~chatzilla@99-92-174-69.lightspeed.iplsin.sbcglobal.net)`
`15:03.57`	`TheDudeAbides`	`ah`
`15:04.00`	`TheDudeAbides`	`thought it was a hero`
`15:04.03`	`Alpha_vst`	`my banelings look awesome`
`15:04.05`	`TheDudeAbides`	`and evolving these models`
`15:04.13`	`Clord`	`banelings are slower than typically but they hurt if they hit ^^`
`15:04.27`	`Clord`	`players can choose between marine and ghost`
`15:04.32`	`Clord`	`they start random location in map`
`15:04.39`	`Alpha_vst`	`what map is this?`
`15:04.40`	`Clord`	`entire interface expect menu bar is turned off`
`15:05.00`	`Clord`	`my yet to be released map what is ready for release but I wait that blizzard puts publish feature on ^^`
`15:05.07`	`TheDudeAbides`	`lol`
`15:05.13`	`TheDudeAbides`	`yeah, same here`
`15:05.26`	`Clord`	`I might make third survivor type.. siege tank`
`15:05.27`	`Clord`	`lol`
`15:05.30`	`TheDudeAbides`	`so far most maps that are rushed to publication on sites are either work in progress, or suck`
`15:05.37`	`Clord`	`one idea was however to put vehicles to random locations to hop in to`
`15:05.45`	`TheDudeAbides`	`thats better`
`15:05.49`	`228zip	`TheDudeAbides: Or event both!`
`15:05.55`	`TheDudeAbides`	`haha`
`15:05.55`	`Alpha_vst`	`yeah`
`15:06.12`	`Clord`	`I have two maps ready to publish and I have worked like animal to get them polished and ready`
`15:06.13`	`Clord`	`lol`
`15:06.22`	`Alpha_vst`	`my map is pretty much done but im waiting for blizzard`
`15:06.23`	`TheDudeAbides`	`TDs with 6 levels and 3 towers, where you only need to abuse one to win.. are lol`
`15:06.31`	`Alpha_vst`	`2 maps? crazy`
`15:06.44`	`Alpha_vst`	`i have like 5 idea maps though lol`
`15:06.57`	`Zachet`	`Why does 'Within Bounds' only use integers not and real values =/`
`15:07.00`	`228zip	`I sticked to my map idea personnally`
`15:07.04`	`Clord`	`objective 1: re-group to showed location via camera... as there is no minimap to see locations.... objective 2: as party start to search Zerg Queen and take it down`
`15:07.11`	`Clord`	`heroes level too lol`
`15:07.25`	`Clord`	`supports 1-14 players`
`15:07.28`	`Clord`	`with scaled difficulty`
`15:07.38`	`Alpha_vst`	`geezness`
`15:07.46`	`228zip	`I have no problems with uploading unfinished maps.. as long as they're declared alpha`
`15:07.50`	`Clord`	`when your unit die you can control camera normally after that and watch or leave game`
`15:08.07`	`Alpha_vst`	`good idea like`
`15:08.16`	`Clord`	`good idea and already implemented`
`15:08.17`	`Skizot_`	`good morning habadashers`
`15:08.17`	`Clord`	`lol`
`15:08.35`	`Alpha_vst`	`my map is cool cause you die and have to leave :P`
`15:08.41`	`Clord`	`I should probably even activate full UI for that who dies so he can use minimap`
`15:09.20`	`Alpha_vst`	`and cheat?`
`15:09.21`	`TheDudeAbides`	`lol alpha`
`15:09.26`	`Jamash`	`Skizot_: hat makers?`
`15:09.30`	`TheDudeAbides`	`why not have an in-game restart?`
`15:09.41`	`Alpha_vst`	`cause its multiplayer`
`15:09.41`	`Skizot_`	`lol yeah`
`15:09.46`	`TheDudeAbides`	`so?`
`15:09.49`	`TheDudeAbides`	`i have that on my TD`
`15:09.51`	`Jamash`	`let dead people annoy live people like in bomberman ds`
`15:10.02`	`TheDudeAbides`	`if a playerr dies he's a spectator until they all finish, then they can restart`
`15:10.05`	`Alpha_vst`	`the whole poitn of the map is to lose?`
`15:10.06`	`TheDudeAbides`	`without going back into bnet menus`
`15:10.26`	`Clord`	`lol they finally added multiplayer support for restart?`
`15:10.27`	`Clord`	`XD`
`15:10.28`	`Zachet`	`So is that a bug or is 'within bounds' supposed to be integer only =/`
`15:10.31`	`TheDudeAbides`	`no`
`15:10.36`	`TheDudeAbides`	`i custom coded it with triggers :D`
`15:10.43`	`TheDudeAbides`	`it doesnt reload the map`
`15:10.44`	`Clord`	`it might bug then lol`
`15:10.50`	`TheDudeAbides`	`its just triggers that reset all the game state`
`15:10.51`	`TheDudeAbides`	`nah`
`15:10.53`	`TheDudeAbides`	`works`
`15:10.54`	`TheDudeAbides`	`:D`
`15:10.55`	`Clord`	`oh yes triggered restart =)`
`15:10.58`	`Clord`	`WCIII style`
`15:10.59`	`Clord`	`meh`
`15:11.00`	`Alpha_vst`	`you can do a conversion cant you zachet?`
`15:11.10`	`TheDudeAbides`	`might be a bitch if you have a lot of units to place`
`15:11.17`	`TheDudeAbides`	`but in a TD everything is trigger spawned`
`15:11.26`	`Alpha_vst`	`same with my map`
`15:11.34`	`TheDudeAbides`	`so the restart is just a kill all trigger then reset state vars then show the settings dialog`
`15:11.34`	`Clord`	`one way is to variable every unit, their positions and their facing directions when map starts....`
`15:11.36`	`Zachet`	`It would convert a real to a integer and it would auto-round or truncate the real making it pointless`
`15:11.40`	`Clord`	`then clear entire map once restart`
`15:11.42`	`Clord`	`and place them`
`15:11.45`	`Clord`	`based to variables`
`15:11.47`	`TheDudeAbides`	`true`
`15:11.53`	`TheDudeAbides`	`but you'd need dynamic arrays`
`15:11.56`	`Alpha_vst`	`i might look into a special case where if everyoen dies within 10 sec of each other`
`15:11.58`	`TheDudeAbides`	`dunno if galaxy has that`
`15:12.11`	`Clord`	`just do one variable for every needed information lol`
`15:12.16`	`TheDudeAbides`	`LOL`
`15:12.18`	`Clord`	`and then add array for them`
`15:12.21`	`Jamash`	`Zachet: multiply by X then compare to int`
`15:12.31`	`TheDudeAbides`	`do you realize how unmanagable that is?`
`15:12.43`	`TheDudeAbides`	`maybe data tables`
`15:12.50`	`TheDudeAbides`	`since you can add/remove data from it freely`
`15:12.51`	`Alpha_vst`	`i dotn get data tables`
`15:12.57`	`TheDudeAbides`	`arrays are always static`
`15:12.58`	`Zachet`	`Oh damn, you must have an education Jamash`
`15:13.06`	`Clord`	`it can be done... it is just like replacing died neutral creeps XD`
`15:13.11`	`Clord`	`in WCIII maps`
`15:13.12`	`Alpha_vst`	`i wasn't able to store dynamic data and call it`
`15:13.15`	`Jamash`	`I been to school`
`15:13.17`	`Alpha_vst`	`fuck data tables`
`15:13.18`	`Zachet`	`:)`
`15:13.48`	`Clord`	`just but vital information to variables with arrays and voila... you have restart functionality after bit triggering lol`
`15:13.53`	`Clord`	`put...`
`15:14.00`	`Clord`	`gotta trigger that now ^^`
`15:14.07`	`Alpha_vst`	`lol`
`15:14.17`	`TheDudeAbides`	`haha`
`15:14.27`	`TheDudeAbides`	`you may end up using large arrays`
`15:14.34`	`TheDudeAbides`	`like 256 elements`
`15:14.39`	`Alpha_vst`	`sexy`
`15:14.40`	`TheDudeAbides`	`to make sure all units fit into it`
`15:14.52`	`TheDudeAbides`	`thats what? a few hundred bytes at most?`
`15:15.00`	`TheDudeAbides`	`since units are referenced by integers in game`
`15:15.54`	`Grum`	`http://dl.dwim.org/~ebroes/pummy.jpg <-- cat takeover! :D`
`15:16.10`	`*** join/#sc2mapster Dracor_ (~3ceaeb14@gateway/web/freenode/x-gxppioyajahfohso)`
`15:16.53`	`nicoli_s`	`very random kitty grum :P`
`15:16.56`	`Alpha_vst`	`yes`
`15:17.08`	`Grum`	`nah he was preventing me from typing for the last 20 mins =D`
`15:17.13`	`Alpha_vst`	`lol`
`15:17.18`	`TheDudeAbides`	`fuck, i accidentally hid the resources UI`
`15:17.25`	`TheDudeAbides`	`and have no idea where that action is`
`15:17.40`	`Alpha_vst`	`so i need feedback on my baneling to see if its as awesome as i think it is... http://www.imagefrog.net/show.php/82645_Terrain009.jpg`
`15:17.50`	`Alpha_vst`	`LOL`
`15:18.04`	`TheDudeAbides`	`you need another unit next to it`
`15:18.07`	`TheDudeAbides`	`like a standard marine`
`15:18.09`	`TheDudeAbides`	`to compare its size`
`15:18.16`	`Skizot_`	`you recolored it?`
`15:18.17`	`TheDudeAbides`	`cant tell if itts huge or if you zoomed in`
`15:18.29`	`TheDudeAbides`	`skizot: thats another baneling model in the game`
`15:18.30`	`Grum`	`it looks really small`
`15:18.33`	`Alpha_vst`	`yeah`
`15:18.40`	`Alpha_vst`	`i zoomed in lol`
`15:18.40`	`TheDudeAbides`	`they had two baneling variants in the first game concepts`
`15:18.41`	`Dracor_`	`is there a way to slow down wind`
`15:18.43`	`Skizot_`	`there's an orange baneling??`
`15:18.49`	`TheDudeAbides`	`LOL`
`15:18.49`	`Grum`	`you can tint models`
`15:18.54`	`Alpha_vst`	`i did a retexture`
`15:18.54`	`TheDudeAbides`	`:D`
`15:18.56`	`Alpha_vst`	`no you cant`
`15:18.57`	`Dracor_`	`so it looks more like fog`
`15:18.58`	`Skizot_`	`that's not tinted`
`15:19.05`	`Grum`	`looks like it :D`
`15:19.18`	`TheDudeAbides`	`looks like a crippled spider`
`15:19.30`	`Skizot_`	`tint would make the entire texture that color`
`15:19.33`	`Skizot_`	`not just parts`
`15:19.41`	`TheDudeAbides`	`speaking of messing with models`
`15:19.46`	`TheDudeAbides`	`can you import models in m2 format?`
`15:19.48`	`TheDudeAbides`	`like wow models`
`15:19.52`	`Alpha_vst`	`yeah`
`15:19.56`	`TheDudeAbides`	`omg`
`15:19.58`	`Alpha_vst`	`or doom`
`15:20.03`	`Alpha_vst`	`even`
`15:20.03`	`TheDudeAbides`	`doom?!`
`15:20.06`	`Alpha_vst`	`YES`
`15:20.10`	`TheDudeAbides`	`oomfg`
`15:20.23`	`TheDudeAbides`	`even wc3's m1?`
`15:20.27`	`Alpha_vst`	`idono`
`15:20.33`	`TheDudeAbides`	`what about blp textures?`
`15:20.35`	`Skizot_`	`no.`
`15:20.37`	`TheDudeAbides`	`ah`
`15:20.43`	`Alpha_vst`	`i just saw a tutorial on it`
`15:20.43`	`TheDudeAbides`	`well im sure theres a blp to dds converter`
`15:20.54`	`TheDudeAbides`	`since blp is just a dds with a different header`
`15:21.10`	`*** join/#sc2mapster rebb (~d9557faa@gateway/web/freenode/x-sxabyxdtgavhiokr)`
`15:21.11`	`TheDudeAbides`	`if not i can write one within an hour or so`
`15:21.26`	`TheDudeAbides`	`but omg wow models, im gonna have so much fun with that`
`15:21.38`	`Sholdak`	`ehh, where did you read that you can import that?`
`15:21.39`	`TheDudeAbides`	`always wanted to mass kill elves, might be fun to have them as creep in my td`
`15:21.48`	`Sholdak`	`there's a 3d max exporter out`
`15:21.53`	`TheDudeAbides`	`<TheDudeAbides> can you import models in m2 format?`
`15:21.53`	`TheDudeAbides`	`<TheDudeAbides> like wow models`
`15:21.53`	`TheDudeAbides`	`<Alpha_vst> yeah`
`15:21.56`	`Sholdak`	`but it's still in alpha`
`15:22.24`	`Alpha_vst`	`yeah but it works`
`15:22.35`	`Sholdak`	`no animations`
`15:22.37`	`Sholdak`	`etc`
`15:22.51`	`TheDudeAbides`	`ah`
`15:22.53`	`TheDudeAbides`	`gay then`
`15:22.58`	`Alpha_vst`	`i should add ony to my map lol`
`15:23.09`	`TheDudeAbides`	`and fuck, i deleted wow from my comp`
`15:23.12`	`TheDudeAbides`	`cant try and extract models`
`15:23.36`	`Sholdak`	`i think they would look kinda shitty in sc2 too`
`15:23.42`	`TheDudeAbides`	`hehe`
`15:23.43`	`Sholdak`	`need to generate a specular + normal map`
`15:23.48`	`Sholdak`	`somehow`
`15:24.11`	`TheDudeAbides`	`the game should be able to generate them from the mesh`
`15:24.17`	`TheDudeAbides`	`wont be as neat as artist painted ones`
`15:24.22`	`TheDudeAbides`	`but still bearable`
`15:25.06`	`Alpha_vst`	`okay I need to add ai to my game`
`15:25.55`	`Alpha_vst`	`how do you detect if a player is not in the game?`
`15:26.06`	`TheDudeAbides`	`test if that player is active`
`15:26.36`	`TheDudeAbides`	`status of player`
`15:26.36`	`Alpha_vst`	`active ok i think i can get that`
`15:27.02`	`TheDudeAbides`	`theres my condition`
`15:27.02`	`TheDudeAbides`	`<TheDudeAbides> can you import models in m2 format?`
`15:27.02`	`TheDudeAbides`	`<TheDudeAbides> like wow models`
`15:27.02`	`TheDudeAbides`	`<Alpha_vst> yeah`
`15:27.05`	`TheDudeAbides`	`er`
`15:27.10`	`TheDudeAbides`	`<TheDudeAbides> can you import models in m2 format?`
`15:27.11`	`TheDudeAbides`	`<TheDudeAbides> like wow models`
`15:27.11`	`TheDudeAbides`	`<Alpha_vst> yeah`
`15:27.13`	`TheDudeAbides`	`wtf`
`15:27.15`	`Alpha_vst`	`lol`
`15:27.22`	`TheDudeAbides`	`sorry bout that ;x, my copy paste skills left me`
`15:27.27`	`Repo`	`New map: http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/common-action-rpg-map-demo/. A common action-rpg map (DEMO). att083 (Manager/Author). Approved by vjeux.`
`15:27.31`	`Repo`	`New map: http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/call-ancestors-v0-1/. Call of Ancestors. DieHardz (Manager/Author). Approved by vjeux.`
`15:27.38`	`TheDudeAbides`	`<PROTECTED>`
`15:27.40`	`TheDudeAbides`	`there`
`15:27.50`	`Alpha_vst`	`thanks`
`15:28.12`	`TheDudeAbides`	`if you want a group of all the active players`
`15:28.20`	`Alpha_vst`	`lol i already haev that set`
`15:28.22`	`TheDudeAbides`	`you can use the active players function that returns a group`
`15:28.25`	`TheDudeAbides`	`hehe`
`15:28.29`	`TheDudeAbides`	`yeah i didnt know at first`
`15:28.37`	`TheDudeAbides`	`i was looping from 1-14 and testing for player status`
`15:28.40`	`TheDudeAbides`	`:x`
`15:28.43`	`Alpha_vst`	`i actually removed players from active players`
`15:28.52`	`TheDudeAbides`	`then i saw "pick each player in player group" and the active players group`
`15:28.54`	`TheDudeAbides`	`and went ohhh`
`15:28.59`	`Alpha_vst`	`yeah`
`15:29.11`	`Alpha_vst`	`thats saved me so much coding time in this map`
`15:29.14`	`TheDudeAbides`	`i like these foreach-like triggers`
`15:29.32`	`Xan`	`hm, how do you add mouth movement in transmissions?`
`15:29.38`	`Alpha_vst`	`cant`
`15:29.51`	`Xan`	`:\`
`15:29.55`	`TheDudeAbides`	`sync'd to audio?`
`15:30.09`	`Xan`	`well, I guess there are not lip synch tools yet`
`15:30.24`	`Xan`	`no*`
`15:30.58`	`TheDudeAbides`	`omg, found a bug`
`15:31.15`	`TheDudeAbides`	`when you do UI - Hide game UI for (All players)`
`15:31.17`	`TheDudeAbides`	`and show it back`
`15:31.22`	`TheDudeAbides`	`the resources UI is left hidden`
`15:31.52`	`Alpha_vst`	`LOL`
`15:32.16`	`Alpha_vst`	`i never use hide game ui`
`15:32.22`	`Alpha_vst`	`i use the other one`
`15:32.41`	`Alpha_vst`	`i forgot what it was`
`15:33.06`	`Alpha_vst`	`<PROTECTED>`
`15:33.14`	`Alpha_vst`	`that one`
`15:33.33`	`Alpha_vst`	`has different options and works better i think`
`15:34.17`	`Alpha_vst`	`i never undid it though so it might do the same thing`
`15:34.53`	`TheDudeAbides`	`yeah well i hide the entire game ui when displaying the game settings dialog`
`15:35.01`	`TheDudeAbides`	`and lock the camera`
`15:35.09`	`TheDudeAbides`	`its not a cinematic or anything`
`15:35.13`	`Alpha_vst`	`switch it to the screen mode of full screen`
`15:35.23`	`TheDudeAbides`	`and the camera has a fadeout effect to black`
`15:35.32`	`Alpha_vst`	`:D`
`15:36.35`	`Alpha_vst`	`try screen mode`
`15:36.49`	`TheDudeAbides`	`testing the screen mode`
`15:36.57`	`TheDudeAbides`	`doesnt work`
`15:37.09`	`TheDudeAbides`	`still shows the menu/messagelog/help and resources UI`
`15:37.22`	`TheDudeAbides`	`ill just add a show resource UI action after i show the game up`
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`15:38.32`	`Alpha_vst`	`you cant`
`15:38.41`	`Alpha_vst`	`unless im blind`
`15:38.48`	`TheDudeAbides`	`youre blind`
`15:38.58`	`TheDudeAbides`	`i could hide the supplies UI just fine`
`15:39.03`	`TheDudeAbides`	`and resources was an item in the list`
`15:39.12`	`Alpha_vst`	`is it? lol`
`15:39.16`	`TheDudeAbides`	`in fact i replaced the supplies UI with a "restart game" button`
`15:39.52`	`Alpha_vst`	`The only way i saw to remove the minerals and gas was to unshow it from teh races data editor lol`
`15:39.56`	`Alpha_vst`	`sigh`
`15:39.59`	`TheDudeAbides`	`<PROTECTED>`
`15:40.26`	`rebb`	`is testing for "controller of player != user" doing the same as testing the "status of player == playing" essentially ?`
`15:40.37`	`rebb`	`er, != that is`
`15:40.55`	`TheDudeAbides`	`kinda`
`15:43.08`	`TheDudeAbides`	`woots, almost done with my TD triggers now`
`15:43.16`	`TheDudeAbides`	`now to attack the data editor`
`15:43.31`	`Sadistik`	`Hey vjeux`
`15:44.28`	`vjeux`	`hey`
`15:44.37`	`Alpha_vst`	`lol`
`15:44.49`	`Alpha_vst`	`i hate the data editor`
`15:44.55`	`Zachet`	`Anyone know if you have to have a different button for every ability?`
`15:45.06`	`Alpha_vst`	`but if i want more than 2 units in my map i have to work at it`
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`15:45.40`	`pierro_`	`hey how can i set a spell that apply a buff randomly chosen in a buff list`
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`15:47.21`	`Zachet`	`omfg I am going to also have to create every single effect 25 times`
`15:47.30`	`Zachet`	`I am going to have teo have over 500 extra objects to do this`
`15:47.42`	`Alpha_vst`	`lol`
`15:47.45`	`Sadistik`	`Anyone has an idea how to make so everyone I walk into a specfiic unit he dies and respawn 5 sec later.`
`15:47.45`	`pierro_`	`hey how can i set a spell that apply a buff randomly chosen in a buff list ?`
`15:47.52`	`Sadistik`	`everytime*`
`15:48.06`	`Alpha_vst`	`enters range of unit`
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`15:48.32`	`Zachet`	`Fuck you blizzard and your no COPY ALL LINKS option!`
`15:48.46`	`TheDudeAbides`	`eh, there is`
`15:48.50`	`Sadistik`	`well I did that but i have 21 of them`
`15:48.56`	`Sadistik`	`do i have to do 21 trigger ?`
`15:49.04`	`TheDudeAbides`	`no`
`15:49.09`	`vjeux`	`Zachet: make a post on the suggestion forum :)`
`15:49.14`	`Alpha_vst`	`you set them as a unit group`
`15:49.21`	`Sadistik`	`i see`
`15:49.25`	`TheDudeAbides`	`sadistik: just make a single trigger, and use conditions`
`15:49.31`	`TheDudeAbides`	`or a switch case`
`15:49.43`	`Sadistik`	`Okay i will try`
`15:49.53`	`Alpha_vst`	`yeah he makes more sense do that`
`15:50.02`	`Paras1te`	`What do you think so far? :`
`15:50.03`	`Paras1te`	`http://img685.imageshack.us/img685/8527/sc22010050417470627.jpg`
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`15:50.17`	`TheDudeAbides`	`looks nice`
`15:50.18`	`vjeux`	`nice Paras1te`
`15:50.20`	`TheDudeAbides`	`are those dialog boxes?`
`15:50.26`	`Paras1te`	`Yup`
`15:50.34`	`TheDudeAbides`	`nice work`
`15:50.41`	`TheDudeAbides`	`how did you get the resources counts to show?`
`15:50.43`	`pierro_`	`i think the thing blizzard should add is a dynamic flow chart data editor`
`15:50.59`	`Paras1te`	`It's not data, just normal text for now :)`
`15:51.06`	`Paras1te`	`Trying to make some templates for my card game`
`15:51.23`	`TheDudeAbides`	`ah you mean you manually added the icon images`
`15:51.26`	`TheDudeAbides`	`and text labels?`
`15:51.33`	`Paras1te`	`yup`
`15:51.35`	`TheDudeAbides`	`ok`
`15:51.38`	`Alpha_vst`	`dude thats awesome`
`15:51.41`	`TheDudeAbides`	`yeah`
`15:51.49`	`Paras1te`	`GE is awesome ;p`
`15:51.51`	`TheDudeAbides`	`got a custom action definition to do that?`
`15:51.57`	`TheDudeAbides`	`or did you copy-paste it for every unit`
`15:52.08`	`Paras1te`	`i copied it for screenshot`
`15:52.13`	`TheDudeAbides`	`ok`
`15:52.30`	`TheDudeAbides`	`would be much easier to make a ShowUnitCard action that calls ShowResources twice`
`15:52.41`	`TheDudeAbides`	`since you have two functions to modify to alter all your cards at once`
`15:52.58`	`Paras1te`	`but i have no units yet`
`15:53.00`	`Alpha_vst`	`i really need to learn those definitions`
`15:53.04`	`Alpha_vst`	`lol`
`15:53.09`	`TheDudeAbides`	`they`
`15:53.13`	`TheDudeAbides`	`'re easy`
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`15:53.18`	`TheDudeAbides`	`just like programming a function`
`15:53.31`	`Alpha_vst`	`whats a function? :P`
`15:53.32`	`Grum`	`that looks like hot shit Paras1te =D`
`15:53.43`	`TheDudeAbides`	`well think of builtin actions`
`15:53.46`	`TheDudeAbides`	`those are all functions`
`15:53.50`	`TheDudeAbides`	`but made by blizzard`
`15:53.52`	`Alpha_vst`	`i know lol`
`15:53.54`	`TheDudeAbides`	`like "Issue Order"`
`15:54.00`	`TheDudeAbides`	`you can make your own of these`
`15:54.09`	`Alpha_vst`	`sounds confusing :P`
`15:54.12`	`TheDudeAbides`	`not at all`
`15:54.15`	`TheDudeAbides`	`well maybe at first :p`
`15:55.07`	`TheDudeAbides`	`once sixen comes back ill start editing the new wiki pages about these triggers`
`15:55.07`	`TheDudeAbides`	`i still need access to the new wiki branch`
`15:55.07`	`Paras1te`	`I wish to make a card game with saved card, decks; buying booster packs etc. ;D`
`15:55.08`	`TheDudeAbides`	`lol`
`15:55.08`	`Zachet`	`I am seriously not going to go and copy, rename, and re-link 25x9 objects I have to find another way of doing this.`
`15:55.08`	`TheDudeAbides`	`why not add achievements to the mix too`
`15:55.19`	`Paras1te`	`Didnt figured out achievments yet ;/`
`15:55.21`	`Sadistik`	`They ask me for a unit number in the unit group`
`15:55.26`	`Sadistik`	`cant put any`
`15:55.28`	`Paras1te`	`*figure`
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`15:55.40`	`TheDudeAbides`	`sadistik: just do pick each unit in unit group`
`15:55.46`	`TheDudeAbides`	`then for the unit number, select picked unit`
`15:55.47`	`Sadistik`	`on a event?`
`15:55.51`	`Alpha_vst`	`What do you guys think of my custom creep? Its a modify terrain texture.... http://i39.tinypic.com/33vm9fo.jpg`
`15:55.52`	`Sadistik`	`that cant be`
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`15:56.06`	`TheDudeAbides`	`on the actions`
`15:56.22`	`TheDudeAbides`	`lol alpha, looks nice`
`15:56.27`	`Grum`	`Alpha_vst: you want honest? :P`
`15:56.28`	`Zachet`	`Nice alpha`
`15:56.32`	`Alpha_vst`	`yes`
`15:56.40`	`TheDudeAbides`	`why not use a real lava texture?`
`15:56.41`	`Zachet`	`Can you have two different types of creep each with different texutres?`
`15:56.41`	`TheDudeAbides`	`like char lava`
`15:56.44`	`TheDudeAbides`	`that is animated`
`15:56.48`	`Alpha_vst`	`still needs work`
`15:56.54`	`Grum`	`needs more deformation or ripples because its REALLY visible that its tiled`
`15:56.57`	`Alpha_vst`	`i didnt think of it`
`15:56.59`	`Sadistik`	`But im having problem with the event. You see i want Any unit enters range of [any] unit in player group`
`15:57.05`	`Grum`	`also it still has a purple glow (see right bottom)`
`15:57.12`	`Alpha_vst`	`yeah i know :D`
`15:57.22`	`TheDudeAbides`	`sadistik: make it more general for the event`
`15:57.33`	`TheDudeAbides`	`and use conditions to test whether to execute the actions or not`
`15:57.34`	`Sadistik`	`Ok`
`15:57.37`	`Alpha_vst`	`still needs work lol creep has so many textures`
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`15:58.00`	`Sadistik`	`Like ranodm unit from player group?`
`15:58.11`	`Alpha_vst`	`closest`
`15:58.13`	`TheDudeAbides`	`no, that just wont trigger most of the time`
`15:58.23`	`Sadistik`	`i see`
`15:58.36`	`TheDudeAbides`	`anyone good with abilities and effects?`
`15:58.42`	`TheDudeAbides`	`im trying to make a simple sell tower ability`
`15:58.48`	`Zachet`	`So I just renamed my 4 hours of work to, ' MAPNAME-FAILEDMISSILETEST ' and I am forced to go for another approach :(`
`15:58.52`	`TheDudeAbides`	`so far i got the tower to destruct, but it doesnt refund`
`15:58.58`	`Zachet`	`I think I may try the cross-screen invisible units to shoot at`
`15:59.32`	`Alpha_vst`	`<PROTECTED>`
`15:59.36`	`Skizot_`	`you re creating lava zerg?`
`16:00.02`	`Alpha_vst`	`lol lava creatures`
`16:00.14`	`TheDudeAbides`	`hm thats actually a good idea alpha`
`16:00.21`	`Alpha_vst`	`for my map Oh no lava! RUN!!!`
`16:00.33`	`TheDudeAbides`	`i can use that on my TD, ie a boss unit that generates creep that makes following units run faster`
`16:00.51`	`TheDudeAbides`	`or creep that runs up the cliffs and make towers slower`
`16:00.54`	`Alpha_vst`	`im getting carried away with it but its fun`
`16:01.07`	`TheDudeAbides`	`getting carried away is the essense of original ideas`
`16:01.10`	`Grum`	`anyone got any experience with 2tb disks? (can you recommend any speedwise? :D)`
`16:01.25`	`Alpha_vst`	`and its actually doable so im not gettign frustrated`
`16:01.48`	`TheDudeAbides`	`yea, its just hacking your way up to the results you want`
`16:01.56`	`Alpha_vst`	`why do you need that much space grum?`
`16:01.58`	`TheDudeAbides`	`with little to no documentation`
`16:02.03`	`TheDudeAbides`	`alpha: i guess porn`
`16:02.07`	`Grum`	`Alpha_vst: i need 8 of those disks`
`16:02.10`	`Grum`	`but erm .. i dont know which ones to get :D`
`16:02.12`	`Alpha_vst`	`8?`
`16:02.15`	`TheDudeAbides`	`thats a lot of porn grum`
`16:02.15`	`Grum`	`8`
`16:02.22`	`Grum`	`not for porn lol :)`
`16:02.24`	`Alpha_vst`	`holy fuck nuts`
`16:02.35`	`TheDudeAbides`	`why do you need 16tb for?`
`16:02.44`	`TheDudeAbides`	`hosting 200 websites?`
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`16:03.00`	`Grum`	`because i have 374gb/6tb free ...`
`16:03.10`	`Alpha_vst`	`WTF`
`16:03.37`	`Hati`	`too much movies`
`16:03.42`	`Alpha_vst`	`thats a lot of porn`
`16:03.42`	`Grum`	`actually series :D`
`16:03.43`	`vjeux`	`p0rn`
`16:03.44`	`Grum`	`movies coming there`
`16:03.49`	`Grum`	`0 bits of pron :)`
`16:03.52`	`Alpha_vst`	`sure`
`16:03.55`	`TheDudeAbides`	`they all say that`
`16:03.59`	`Alpha_vst`	`yeah`
`16:03.59`	`Grum`	`lol my gf has full access to it...`
`16:04.02`	`Grum`	`its pronless :)`
`16:04.08`	`TheDudeAbides`	`lol, we know better`
`16:04.18`	`TheDudeAbides`	`its so easy to make a hidden password protected folder`
`16:04.19`	`Grum`	`can give you the dirlisting if you want hehe`
`16:04.20`	`Alpha_vst`	`you having a gf with 5tb of porn? yeah i think not`
`16:04.31`	`Shenlok_`	`kinda hard to get highspeed drives at that capacity`
`16:04.42`	`TheDudeAbides`	`well not hard, expensive`
`16:04.49`	`Grum`	`yeah right now its 4x1.5 and 4x0.5 in raid5s`
`16:04.51`	`Shenlok_`	`friend of mine has a few samsung spinpoint 5400rpms`
`16:04.57`	`Alpha_vst`	`your better off with linking smaller ones together`
`16:05.03`	`Grum`	`doh`
`16:05.13`	`Grum`	`the 8 will be in a raid5 :)`
`16:05.17`	`Shenlok_`	`has around 20tb of storange on his box`
`16:05.17`	`TheDudeAbides`	`lol`
`16:05.22`	`Shenlok_`	`storage*`
`16:05.23`	`TheDudeAbides`	`you almost need a separate box just for storage`
`16:05.33`	`TheDudeAbides`	`data servers at home ftw`
`16:05.34`	`Grum`	`Shenlok_: so that is 10+ drives?`
`16:05.40`	`Shenlok_`	`12 drives`
`16:05.46`	`Grum`	`raid?`
`16:05.55`	`Hati`	`who needs hidden password protected folders oO`
`16:06.00`	`Grum`	`indeed lol`
`16:06.02`	`Hati`	`just don't teach her how to use computer`
`16:06.07`	`Grum`	`too late lol`
`16:06.10`	`Alpha_vst`	`lol`
`16:06.26`	`Grum`	`Shenlok_: got it in a raid?`
`16:06.27`	`Shenlok_`	`they are all hooked up to a raid controller`
`16:06.31`	`Shenlok_`	`not sure what mode`
`16:06.42`	`Grum`	`how can you not know? O.o`
`16:06.51`	`Shenlok_`	`I don't know, they arent my drives`
`16:06.56`	`Grum`	`lol`
`16:07.18`	`Grum`	`so what is on it? pron? :D`
`16:07.22`	`Shenlok_`	`he just leaves it sitting in a room in college, leeching their GB internet connection`
`16:07.25`	`Shenlok_`	`everything`
`16:07.32`	`Shenlok_`	`Games, Apps, Movies, TV, pron`
`16:07.35`	`Grum`	`reports Shenlok_`
`16:07.37`	`Shenlok_`	`:)`
`16:07.46`	`Shenlok_`	`like I said, not mine ;)`
`16:08.01`	`Grum`	`doesnt matter, you are using it, therefor you are infringing copyright lal`
`16:08.10`	`Alpha_vst`	`lol`
`16:08.14`	`Shenlok_`	`I'm sure I'll be fine :D`
`16:08.24`	`Grum`	`kinda strange to leave that kind of hardware lying around`
`16:08.33`	`Shenlok_`	`it's in our society room`
`16:08.37`	`Shenlok_`	`CS society`
`16:08.57`	`Grum`	`thats a good 3k worth of hardware`
`16:09.01`	`Shenlok_`	`only three people know the code to get in, and there are never any college officials in there`
`16:09.49`	`Shenlok_`	`yeah it's a bit crazy all in all... but it's nice to have the ability to just put on pretty much any move or tv show whenever you want :)`
`16:10.12`	`Grum`	`yup hehe`
`16:10.23`	`Grum`	`but physical access is root access :P`
`16:10.26`	`Shenlok_`	`dude would get in so much shit with the police if they found out about him though :P`
`16:10.29`	`Shenlok_`	`yeah heh`
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`16:10.46`	`Grum`	`unless they used complete partition encryption (would be sane)`
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`16:10.59`	`Grum`	`anyhow, yes i need ~14tb of diskspace`
`16:11.10`	`Grum`	`and i am guessing it will be filled by 2012 orso`
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`16:12.00`	`Repo`	`New announcement: http://www.sc2mapster.com/announcements/a/`
`16:12.08`	`Grum`	`dammit too late`
`16:12.12`	`vjeux`	`grr`
`16:12.20`	`Grum`	`i was going to add a comment hehehe`
`16:12.27`	`Grum`	`i tried last time but you already renamed it ;D`
`16:12.33`	`pierro_`	`how should i make a Charge ability (run to the target location Knocking back and damaging enemy units) ??`
`16:12.49`	`Hati`	`Repo: is torturing the kitten!`
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`16:16.20`	`TheDudeAbides`	`LOL`
`16:16.34`	`TheDudeAbides`	`i accidentally made a way to get infinite money`
`16:16.46`	`Hati`	`cheator`
`16:16.47`	`TheDudeAbides`	`i added a sell tower ability that refunds the tower, but is cancellable`
`16:16.58`	`TheDudeAbides`	`but when you cancel it, it doesnt take back th resources`
`16:17.31`	`Hati`	`oO`
`16:17.38`	`Hati`	`u used a trigger to make it or?`
`16:17.42`	`TheDudeAbides`	`nah`
`16:17.43`	`TheDudeAbides`	`ability`
`16:17.48`	`TheDudeAbides`	`and effects`
`16:17.59`	`Hati`	`yea but usually effects are just fired if the ability really finishs`
`16:18.06`	`Hati`	`except cursor effects`
`16:18.09`	`TheDudeAbides`	`yeah but the cost is on the ability`
`16:18.14`	`TheDudeAbides`	`and the cost is -100`
`16:18.17`	`TheDudeAbides`	`to give back mins`
`16:18.18`	`Hati`	`oO`
`16:18.23`	`Hati`	`refund in effect :x`
`16:18.25`	`Hati`	`not ability`
`16:18.29`	`TheDudeAbides`	`you can?!`
`16:18.32`	`Hati`	`yea`
`16:18.34`	`TheDudeAbides`	`omg`
`16:18.42`	`Hati`	`bunker does`
`16:19.01`	`TheDudeAbides`	`wheres that`
`16:19.04`	`Hati`	`Bunker Salvage - refunds all minerals after 5s`
`16:19.21`	`Hati`	`Salvage it is in ability data`
`16:19.23`	`Hati`	`i guess`
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`16:20.12`	`Skizot_`	`OMFG LOL`
`16:20.17`	`Jeremie`	`i dont see it in effects`
`16:20.22`	`Skizot_`	`the goliath portrait is chubbs from starwars!`
`16:22.10`	`liq3`	`http://blog.wolfire.com/2010/05/The-Humble-Indie-Bundle`
`16:22.21`	`Hati`	`ah ok they do it quite different`
`16:22.31`	`Hati`	`they order the bunker to use it after 5s delay`
`16:22.36`	`Hati`	`by themselves`
`16:22.48`	`Jeremie`	`yeah`
`16:23.00`	`Jeremie`	`i made the ability have a 2.5s prepare delay`
`16:23.04`	`Hati`	`Applying a behavior (t=5.0s) -> order issue refund on expire`
`16:23.04`	`Jeremie`	`that is cancellable`
`16:23.33`	`Jeremie`	`i dont see anything about refund in behaviors`
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`16:24.22`	`Jeremie`	`ah found iit`
`16:29.43`	`Hati`	`uh transformers on sunday :D`
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`16:32.02`	`Vailreth`	`there has to be a way to prevent behaviors from stacking`
`16:32.27`	`Skizot_`	`I WILL FIND THAT PORTRAIT`
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`16:32.49`	`Bifuu`	`Morning all`
`16:32.52`	`ellium`	`behaviors alwayts stack?`
`16:33.24`	`Alpha_vst`	`how do a set a unused player to a computer? i cant figure it out lol`
`16:33.24`	`ellium`	`aren't behaviors like the orb effects in wc3?`
`16:33.25`	`Vailreth`	`i believe the verterancy behavior stacks when a hero is killed and revived`
`16:33.57`	`Beider`	`Does anyone know how bad it is for multiplayer games to run a camera trigger say every 0.05 seconds? I would think that running a trigger to update the camera so often would lag the game?`
`16:34.51`	`Bifuu`	`Alpha_vst: in player options`
`16:34.54`	`ellium`	`so, if you give a player aoe lifeleach and another aoe lifegive, which one wins out? in wc3, the life give did.`
`16:35.22`	`Alpha_vst`	`no through a trigger if its not unused`
`16:35.44`	`Hati`	`FieldGroupHeal (Unnamed)`
`16:35.44`	`Hati`	`Events +{ActorCreation\|Behavior.GroupHeal.On}\|{\|}\|{AnimPlay Birth Death PlayForever\|Create}`
`16:35.46`	`Hati`	`ops`
`16:35.56`	`Bifuu`	`ohhhhhhhhhhhhh`
`16:35.58`	`Bifuu`	`uhhhh`
`16:36.00`	`Bifuu`	`dunno =P`
`16:36.12`	`Hati`	`there's a Behavior Count per Caster oO`
`16:36.15`	`Hati`	`if 0 = infinite`
`16:36.36`	`Alpha_vst`	`i need to look at that one map`
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`16:37.20`	`Hati`	`Vailreth: you could also do a validator from preventing additional Behaviors added to a unit`
`16:37.29`	`Hati`	`Behaviors of that kind`
`16:37.53`	`Vailreth`	`i dont know how validators work but i think one would help`
`16:37.59`	`Bifuu`	`Damn you blizzard give me mah friend keys`
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`16:38.51`	`Hati`	`Bifuu: .`
`16:39.30`	`Alpha_vst`	`foudn it`
`16:39.44`	`heysparky`	`howdy folks`
`16:39.54`	`Bifuu`	`yo`
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`16:43.12`	`Skizot_`	`where are the bnet portraits hidden?`
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`16:43.25`	`Bifuu`	`On their servers?`
`16:43.30`	Griffith`	`does anyone konw how Events + work`
`16:43.35`	Griffith`	`they look so freakin complicated`
`16:43.42`	`Alpha_vst`	`looks like i just fake it that sucks wont display names :(`
`16:44.11`	`Bifuu`	Griffith`: Think of them like triggers
`16:44.44`	`Hati`	Griffith`: If,then structures
`16:46.29`	Griffith`	`What is`
`16:46.31`	Griffith`	`"Msg Type"`
`16:46.34`	Griffith`	`what does the message refer to`
`16:48.00`	`Hati`	`If MsgType.SourceName.State/Subname then Send Message`
`16:48.17`	`Hati`	`and None wildcards`
`16:48.19`	`Hati`	`things`
`16:48.31`	`Hati`	`or refers to the actor itself`
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`16:48.56`	`NeoDeathXp`	`hey guys`
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`16:49.43`	`NeoDeathXp`	`anyone work with the bank trigger?`
`16:49.49`	`Grum`	`Hati: appears you cant make wildcards with the editor`
`16:50.04`	`Hati`	`(None) are wildcards`
`16:50.17`	`Alpha_vst`	`mky next step is banks`
`16:50.21`	`Grum`	`mmm for some reason it didnt show up ..`
`16:50.25`	`Grum`	`and actually broke the expression`
`16:50.51`	`Hati`	`but (None) isn't always a wildcard`
`16:50.57`	`Hati`	`ie ActorCreation`
`16:51.07`	`Hati`	`(None) refers to the Actor itself`
`16:51.15`	`NeoDeathXp`	`i can save a char to a bank and load it from the bank buy it does not save items`
`16:51.25`	`NeoDeathXp`	`but* not buy`
`16:51.49`	`Alpha_vst`	`you have to save everything to the bank`
`16:52.18`	`Vailreth`	`i would like to create a validator to help prevent my veterancy Behavior from stacking. does any one know how to create a validator for a behavior?`
`16:52.32`	`Hati`	`oO`
`16:52.39`	`Hati`	`veterancy behavior ? stacking wtf`
`16:53.14`	`Vailreth`	`yes i think that is the source of the bug where heros do not keep levels but keep stats when revievd`
`16:53.15`	`NeoDeathXp`	`yeah im going to have to work out some numbering system for items like item ID's and store them as inigers or store the item names as text in a long string. im not sure how i can efficiantly do it`
`16:53.20`	`Hati`	`and Vailreth: Validator - BehaviorCount, Count LT 1`
`16:56.52`	`Alpha_vst`	`yeah`
`16:57.50`	`Skizot_`	`i KNOW they aren't stored on the server`
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`16:58.49`	`Hati`	`atest`
`16:58.51`	`Hati`	`hmm`
`16:59.36`	`Alpha_vst`	`i have seen them`
`16:59.42`	`Alpha_vst`	`they are .dds files`
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`17:01.32`	`Hati`	`a <tab> test`
`17:02.02`	`Bifuu`	`ui_bnet_beta_portraits0.dds`
`17:02.29`	`Bifuu`	`Skizot_: ^`
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`17:03.03`	`Bifuu`	`But tht file isnt stored client side, atleast i dont have it`
`17:03.14`	`nicoli_s`	`i think they are in the bnet mpq`
`17:03.51`	`Bifuu`	`oh wait i do have it`
`17:03.55`	`Skizot_`	`where's that?`
`17:04.24`	`Bifuu`	`uhhhhhhhhhh`
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`17:04.48`	`Bifuu`	`i can export it, if you need it exported, if not its in`
`17:04.53`	`Alpha_vst`	`i know i saw it`
`17:04.54`	`Bifuu`	`i dunno,`
`17:05.03`	`Bifuu`	`Go in Data Editor`
`17:05.08`	`Bifuu`	`Data Type of Rewards`
`17:05.12`	`Alpha_vst`	`yeah`
`17:05.15`	`Bifuu`	`Thats where they keep them`
`17:05.38`	`Bifuu`	`the texture doesnt show up in the Data Editor tho i had to bring up the browser to get them`
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`17:06.54`	`Bifuu`	`Good news guys!`
`17:06.59`	`Bifuu`	`today is pay day for me! yay!`
`17:07.19`	`Falco252`	`oo?`
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`17:07.46`	`Bifuu`	`another check closer to my new laptop`
`17:07.47`	`Bifuu`	`=D`
`17:08.01`	`Alpha_vst`	`lol`
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`17:09.09`	`Altharaz`	`salut à tous/hi`
`17:09.22`	`\|Falco252\|`	`Speak english plz`
`17:09.36`	Griffith`	`ntm`
`17:09.42`	`\|Falco252\|`	`oo`
`17:10.04`	`Skizot_`	`http://i39.tinypic.com/34rj0x0.jpg`
`17:10.07`	`Altharaz`	`that's why i said hi >_<`
`17:10.52`	`\|Falco252\|`	`lowl`
`17:10.55`	Griffith`	`for some reason my sound plays both files`
`17:11.01`	Griffith`	`even though i set it to shuffle`
`17:12.55`	`TheDudeAbides`	`anyone knows what the "Get Unit Cost" function returns? i mean what field in the data editor does it links to`
`17:13.24`	`TheDudeAbides`	`ah nm, found it, its repair resources`
`17:14.42`	`Paras1te_`	`Goliath pilot is fat ass :O`
`17:14.56`	`Alpha_vst`	`yeah`
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`17:15.14`	`Skizot_`	`lol`
`17:15.23`	Griffith`	`anyone know what the artwork effects like Nexus Charge, queen spray, etc.`
`17:15.24`	Griffith`	`fall into?`
`17:15.52`	Griffith`	`are they actors`
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`17:21.32`	`Grum`	Griffith`: yeah they are all actors and effects
`17:21.37`	`Bifuu`	`I dont get the triggers that are like multiples O.o like Combine Text Multiple, or Arithmatic Multiple >.<`
`17:21.45`	`Paras1te_`	`I don't have access to GE now, can anyone tell me how were called customs functions in GE? Was it only "function"?`
`17:21.51`	`Grum`	`Bifuu: shoot`
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`17:22.09`	`Bifuu`	`nothing to shoot thats all i got lol, i just dont know how to work them`
`17:22.19`	`dorgan`	`anyone playing beta on mac in here?`
`17:22.37`	`Paras1te_`	`I mean functions in triggers ofc`
`17:22.41`	`Bifuu`	`like for the math Arithmetic it adds ( + (value)) or something and i have no idea how to get move values in there`
`17:22.47`	`Grum`	`ah`
`17:23.35`	`Bifuu`	`More values*`
`17:24.18`	`Grum`	`just keep clicking on values`
`17:24.39`	`Grum`	`or actually doubleclick on em :)`
`17:25.02`	`Repo`	`Knowledge base page update: http://www.sc2mapster.com/api-docs/galaxy-editor/edit-menu/rename/ by Timthetoolman`
`17:25.11`	`Grum`	`so yeah its: xxx = (+ (1,2,3,4)) <Integer>`
`17:25.32`	`Durrean`	`Bifuu, you can do arithemtics, and arithmetics in the aritmetics and in the ...`
`17:25.34`	`Grum`	`and when you click on that in the bottom it will say: Values <Integer+> <-- double click on that line and voila another value`
`17:25.43`	`Durrean`	`or im misunderstanding something`
`17:25.52`	`Elyk`	`the data editor is melting my brain...`
`17:26.06`	`Bifuu`	`i cant get it to add more values`
`17:26.08`	`Bifuu`	`lol`
`17:26.10`	`vjeux`	`Mp`
`17:26.12`	`vjeux`	`grr`
`17:26.19`	`Bifuu`	`<PROTECTED>`
`17:26.19`	`Bifuu`	`thast all i can get`
`17:26.32`	`Skizot_`	`vjeux`
`17:26.38`	`Skizot_`	`you check out meh clock?`
`17:27.00`	`Durrean`	`and what do you want bifuu?`
`17:27.04`	`Elyk`	`yea Bifuu I just use combine text.. and keep using it until I'm happy`
`17:27.06`	`Repo`	`Knowledge base page update: http://www.sc2mapster.com/api-docs/galaxy-editor/edit-menu/select-all-select-all/ by Timthetoolman`
`17:27.22`	`vjeux`	`yeah`
`17:27.26`	`vjeux`	`it's awesome :p`
`17:27.45`	`dorgan`	`has anyone made any tower defense maps?`
`17:27.52`	`Repo`	`Knowledge base page update: http://www.sc2mapster.com/api-docs/galaxy-editor/edit-menu/select-all-select-all/ by Timthetoolman`
`17:28.01`	`Elyk`	`I'm trying to make a pylon that gives units energy for being inside its power bubble... and its hard`
`17:28.16`	`Grum`	`Bifuu: click on it`
`17:28.23`	`Grum`	`and in the bottom frame you get the 'breakdown'`
`17:28.30`	`Skizot_`	`i know it's not gonna win...`
`17:28.38`	`Skizot_`	`there are some pretty click maps.`
`17:30.35`	`Repo`	`Knowledge base page update: http://www.sc2mapster.com/api-docs/galaxy-editor/edit-menu/find-replace/ by Timthetoolman`
`17:30.42`	`Bifuu`	`Grum: ohh i see`
`17:30.46`	`Grum`	`good :D`
`17:30.52`	`Bifuu`	`Grum: I wont be using this for math anytime soon`
`17:31.01`	`Bifuu`	`will make string handling easier`
`17:31.05`	`Grum`	`sortof hehe`
`17:31.08`	`Grum`	`Combine (String) etc`
`17:31.59`	`Vailreth`	`eh well so much for working around the hero revive bugs..`
`17:32.04`	`Grum`	`tbh they should change the icon from the X= to '+' in front of 'Values <Type+>'`
`17:32.47`	`Repo`	`Knowledge base page update: http://www.sc2mapster.com/api-docs/galaxy-editor/edit-menu/flip/ by Timthetoolman`
`17:33.18`	`Skizot_`	`vjeux, any chance you know how to make edit boxes work?`
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`17:35.25`	`Zachet`	`Anyone have experience with making a unit shoot an invisible unit only? With filters limited to cloak required, and ordering to fire he still walks to the location rather than fires.`
`17:35.58`	`Zachet`	`I assume you have to have vision of the unit`
`17:35.59`	`Zachet`	`sigh`
`17:36.08`	`vjeux`	`nop Skizot_ :(`
`17:37.06`	`Durrean`	`has anybode found out how to attach units in a nice way to another?`
`17:37.17`	`Zachet`	`There's a tutorial on it`
`17:37.22`	`Zachet`	`Forums I think`
`17:37.24`	`Durrean`	`without scripts i mean`
`17:37.34`	`Durrean`	`the one i found with the tank is with a script`
`17:37.36`	`Zachet`	`Uberlisk?`
`17:37.49`	`Durrean`	`Ã¼berlisk is not units attachment`
`17:37.52`	`Zachet`	`eh`
`17:37.53`	`Zachet`	`I tried`
`17:38.28`	`Repo`	`Knowledge base page update: http://www.sc2mapster.com/api-docs/galaxy-editor/edit-menu/modify-properties/ by Timthetoolman`
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`17:39.04`	`Bifuu`	`Soooooo Wheres the trigger for Dialog Item Button is pressed >.<`
`17:39.12`	Griffith`	`how big are your maps`
`17:39.12`	`Durrean`	`mom`
`17:39.13`	`Zachet`	`Event`
`17:39.17`	`Zachet`	`Event Dialog Clicked`
`17:39.39`	`Durrean`	`Dialog Item is Used`
`17:39.46`	`Elyk`	`make a variable for your button, and make the condition that that button is the dialog item used`
`17:39.52`	`Skizot_`	`can we get repo silenced for a bit?`
`17:40.05`	`Zachet`	`repo?`
`17:40.09`	`Zachet`	`Oh`
`17:40.10`	`Zachet`	`I see`
`17:40.11`	`Bifuu`	`Lame i have to make another Event just for that?`
`17:40.19`	`Elyk`	`yes`
`17:40.20`	`Zachet`	`Mentioned above there's an action`
`17:40.24`	`Zachet`	`but you probley want to`
`17:40.28`	`Zachet`	`better management`
`17:40.44`	`Bifuu`	`i was hoping i could just use it in the same event via If/then statement`
`17:40.46`	`Elyk`	`make a trigger to create the dialog, and a trigger for each button, that's what I do`
`17:40.49`	`Durrean`	`Event: Dialog - (Used dialog item) is Clicked by Player Any Player`
`17:40.49`	`Durrean`	`Condition: Dialog - (Used dialog item) is Clicked by Player Any Player`
`17:41.01`	`Durrean`	`me mom the 2nd was wrong`
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`17:41.15`	`Durrean`	`(Used dialog item) == your_dialog_here`
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`17:41.23`	`Ousnius`	`hi`
`17:41.29`	`nicoli_s`	`welcome`
`17:41.30`	`Repo`	`Knowledge base page update: http://www.sc2mapster.com/api-docs/galaxy-editor/view/show-ui/ by Timthetoolman`
`17:41.34`	`Durrean`	`hi`
`17:41.53`	`Elyk`	`making behaviors is crazy...`
`17:42.16`	`Zachet`	`Can a unit exist in the field without a model?`
`17:42.27`	`Zachet`	`aka not visible`
`17:42.36`	`Ousnius`	`need someone to play my map till the end to see if everything works`
`17:42.44`	Griffith`	`does "Hover" mean the unit is flying?'`
`17:42.46`	`Durrean`	`what kind of map is it?`
`17:42.56`	`Durrean`	`no, hovering is like the probe`
`17:42.58`	`Ousnius`	`and you'll need EU client to play with me`
`17:43.03`	`Durrean`	`i think, but not flying`
`17:43.05`	`Zachet`	`Racist.`
`17:43.05`	`Ousnius`	`killing creeps with 2 tanks, 2 players`
`17:43.15`	`Durrean`	`im on Ousnius`
`17:43.56`	`Repo`	`Knowledge base page update: http://www.sc2mapster.com/api-docs/galaxy-editor/view/show-layer/ by Timthetoolman`
`17:47.35`	`Repo`	`Knowledge base page update: http://www.sc2mapster.com/api-docs/galaxy-editor/view/show-pathing/ by Timthetoolman`
`17:48.44`	Griffith`	`how do i make a marine float`
`17:48.45`	Griffith`	`in the ari`
`17:48.46`	Griffith`	`air*\`
`17:48.50`	Griffith`	`where do i change the height`
`17:49.03`	`Zachet`	`... Data or Trigger`
`17:49.10`	Griffith`	`data`
`17:49.21`	`Beider`	`look in the actor`
`17:49.24`	`Zachet`	`Type in the Search field, ' Height ' and click on everything tell you see art - height`
`17:49.27`	Griffith`	`is it Art - Height?`
`17:49.29`	Griffith`	`ah`
`17:49.30`	Griffith`	`ty`
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`17:50.47`	`Repo`	`Knowledge base page update: http://www.sc2mapster.com/api-docs/galaxy-editor/view/show-pathing/ by Timthetoolman`
`17:52.20`	`Elyk`	`how do you add a behavior to a unit?`
`17:52.45`	`Paras1te_`	`By trigger for example`
`17:53.02`	`Elyk`	`was looking to do it in the data editor`
`17:53.46`	`Elyk`	`found it`
`17:53.47`	`Elyk`	`n/m`
`17:53.53`	`Paras1te_`	`ok`
`17:53.53`	`Paras1te_`	`Dont have GE right now, anyway if you dont find anything in data editor, use "Add behavior" in triggers`
`17:53.54`	`Repo`	`Knowledge base page update: http://www.sc2mapster.com/api-docs/galaxy-editor/view/show-terrain/ by Timthetoolman`
`17:54.29`	`Repo`	`Knowledge base page update: http://www.sc2mapster.com/api-docs/galaxy-editor/view/wireframe-mode/ by Timthetoolman`
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`17:55.05`	`Terex`	`Hi all, I just got a invite-a-friend beta key :)`
`17:55.10`	`Bifuu`	`yay got my dialog working`
`17:55.17`	`Durrean`	`gratz`
`17:55.20`	`Bifuu`	`i dont like all the hoops i had to jump through`
`17:55.22`	`Bifuu`	`but meh`
`17:55.23`	`Repo`	`Knowledge base page update: http://www.sc2mapster.com/api-docs/galaxy-editor/view/aspect-ratio-aspect-ratio/ by Timthetoolman`
`17:55.48`	Griffith`	`How do you change the move sound?`
`17:55.56`	`Zachet`	`Can you not order an attack through fog of war?`
`17:56.29`	`Terex`	`GZ bifuu`
`17:56.44`	`Terex`	`Anyone needs a key?`
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`17:57.23`	`Bifuu`	`NA? i got a family member that needs one >.<`
`17:57.26`	`heysparky`	`howdy folks`
`17:57.30`	`Durrean`	`well im playing with a friends account, but i can play so no`
`17:57.38`	`TheDudeAbides`	`hey sparky`
`17:57.53`	`Terex`	`What is NA?`
`17:58.02`	`Bifuu`	`north america`
`17:58.19`	`Repo`	`Knowledge base page update: http://www.sc2mapster.com/api-docs/galaxy-editor/view/camera/ by Timthetoolman`
`17:58.57`	`Repo`	`New map: http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/sunken-retreat/. Sunken Retreat. bdTROG (Manager/Author). Approved by vjeux.`
`17:59.08`	`Alpha_vst`	`best place on earth.... lol`
`17:59.58`	`Xan`	`NA= not avaliable`
`18:00.03`	`Terex`	`No, Russia. Is the beta key restricted to an area?`
`18:00.26`	`Alpha_vst`	`yes`
`18:00.27`	`TheDudeAbides`	`shouldnt be`
`18:00.29`	`Paras1te_`	`make a contest on forum`
`18:00.33`	`Alpha_vst`	`like the real game will be`
`18:00.41`	`Xan`	`the beta key isn't restricted, but once you use the beta key it will be restricted to the localization where your billing adress is located`
`18:00.55`	`Alpha_vst`	`yeah what he said`
`18:01.45`	`Stimpack`	`can somebody tell me how to show the trigger debugger ?`
`18:02.20`	`TheDudeAbides`	`file -> preferences -> test document -> show trigger debugging window`
`18:02.26`	`Stimpack`	`thx`
`18:02.30`	`Durrean`	`editor -> file -> preferences -> .............`
`18:02.31`	`Durrean`	`ahhh`
`18:02.36`	`Stimpack`	`xD`
`18:02.41`	`TheDudeAbides`	`beat you!`
`18:02.46`	`TheDudeAbides`	`i win a cookie`
`18:02.46`	`Paras1te_`	`+5 points for speed ;p`
`18:02.53`	`Durrean`	`yeah im tired!`
`18:02.56`	`Durrean`	`its 8 pm and im tired..`
`18:03.11`	`Repo`	`Knowledge base page update: http://www.sc2mapster.com/api-docs/galaxy-editor/layer/terrain/ by Timthetoolman`
`18:03.11`	`Xan`	`editor -> file .. oh`
`18:03.12`	`Durrean`	`and i slept till 10 am xD`
`18:03.23`	`Alpha_vst`	`lol`
`18:03.30`	`Paras1te_`	`set clock to 2 pm and you wont be tired anymore :O`
`18:03.37`	`Alpha_vst`	`but its only 11am`
`18:03.38`	`Durrean`	`couldn't had school`
`18:03.41`	`Bifuu`	`til 10am?!`
`18:03.45`	`Bifuu`	`i slept til noon`
`18:03.47`	`Bifuu`	`xD`
`18:03.51`	`Durrean`	`SCHOOL`
`18:03.55`	`Alpha_vst`	`your not awake yet wtf`
`18:03.56`	`Durrean`	`i still have`
`18:04.01`	`Bifuu`	`Which blows because that gives me 3 hours of GE`
`18:04.14`	`Durrean`	`don't foreget alpha, we live around the world here in the chat`
`18:04.15`	`Bifuu`	`rather 1 left`
`18:04.30`	`Bifuu`	`yeah its 2pm here`
`18:05.11`	`Alpha_vst`	`i know but its more fun to think you have the ability to jump through time like`
`18:06.35`	`Durrean`	`its more fun to think i can fly, but i'm happy i didnt tried that out yet :)`
`18:06.43`	`Durrean`	`the flying, not thinking`
`18:06.46`	`Durrean`	`could hurt`
`18:06.48`	`Paras1te_`	`Ok talk about GE! I dont have access to it right now and want to read some about it :<`
`18:07.07`	`Durrean`	`GE = Galaxy Editor?`
`18:07.13`	`Bifuu`	`Paras1te_: do you have Excel?`
`18:07.28`	`Paras1te_`	`Yup, any idea?`
`18:07.34`	`Bifuu`	`open that`
`18:07.36`	`Bifuu`	`and you have GE`
`18:07.37`	`Bifuu`	`xD`
`18:07.41`	`Durrean`	`xD`
`18:07.44`	`Durrean`	`true`
`18:07.46`	`Bifuu`	`atleast the Data Editor`
`18:07.54`	`Paras1te_`	`good idea`
`18:07.55`	`Durrean`	`yeah save the file as data editor`
`18:07.59`	`Paras1te_`	`gonna make some triggers also`
`18:08.19`	`Bifuu`	`O.o it doesnt work with GE now i was only kidding`
`18:08.20`	`Durrean`	`btw. you can download starcraft 2update it and mess around with the editor and test the map also but you cant play in the battlenet`
`18:08.46`	`Durrean`	`dont know why they did it but you can`
`18:09.01`	`Ousnius`	`Durrean read query pls xD`
`18:09.09`	`Durrean`	`k`
`18:09.16`	`Durrean`	`will open antoher chat window for you :)`
`18:09.21`	`Alpha_vst`	`did they put out the patch yet?`
`18:09.25`	`Paras1te_`	`I have GE, but im on Laptop right now ;/`
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`18:12.42`	`Reactorex`	`What patch?`
`18:13.44`	`Alpha_vst`	`patch 11?`
`18:14.39`	`Alpha_vst`	`i dont go on bnet any more`
`18:14.41`	`Alpha_vst`	`lol`
`18:14.59`	`Alpha_vst`	`i fixed my creep woot`
`18:15.11`	`Xan`	`there is a patch 11?`
`18:15.12`	`Xan`	`oO`
`18:15.48`	`Alpha_vst`	`not yet i was jsut asking if its out yet`
`18:16.04`	`Xan`	`I dont think so, since I just played :P`
`18:16.06`	`Repo`	`New map: http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/requiem-prologue/. Requiem - Prologue. Rizaun (Manager/Author). Experimental. Approved by sixen.`
`18:17.20`	`Alpha_vst`	`lol`
`18:17.30`	`Alpha_vst`	`hopefully thrusday`
`18:17.44`	`Alpha_vst`	`fuckin ge crashed :9`
`18:18.07`	`Alpha_vst`	`one of my maps always crashes ge no matter what i do :(`
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`18:18.41`	`Zachet`	`What does, ' PERIOD ' mean under WEAPON data?`
`18:18.43`	`bl4ckface`	`hey there`
`18:18.48`	`Alpha_vst`	`okay so i think i will retexture the changeling into a slime creature`
`18:18.57`	`Bemoliph`	`Zachet, rate of fire`
`18:19.03`	`Xan`	`I am willing to make a "trade". Some of your data-editor expertise for terrain/other things. please see this post: http://forums.sc2mapster.com/development/map-development/1206-help-required-data-editor/ :)`
`18:19.06`	`Zachet`	`Thanks.`
`18:19.09`	`Bemoliph`	`There are a bunch of Periodic things`
`18:19.14`	`Bemoliph`	`Generally running an effect every x seconds`
`18:19.44`	`Alpha_vst`	`lol xan`
`18:20.18`	`Xan`	`I just HATE the data editor :P`
`18:20.24`	`Alpha_vst`	`same it confuses me`
`18:20.28`	`Alpha_vst`	`im trying to get it though`
`18:20.44`	`Xan`	`I tried to do something for 5 hours, and then I gave up`
`18:20.52`	`Alpha_vst`	`yeah me also`
`18:20.54`	`Alpha_vst`	`many times`
`18:21.02`	`Xan`	`so now I wont try, and just trade for help :P`
`18:21.04`	`Zachet`	`Alpha_vst`
`18:21.09`	`Zachet`	`Regular fire wont work either`
`18:21.12`	`Alpha_vst`	`?`
`18:21.13`	`Zachet`	`I still fire below the model`
`18:21.17`	`Zachet`	`god dmanit`
`18:21.54`	`Zachet`	`I have no choice but to make 25x9 objects manually it seems`
`18:21.59`	`Zachet`	`and link them all`
`18:22.02`	`Alpha_vst`	`i dont think so`
`18:22.14`	`Alpha_vst`	`there has to be a way to change the objects height`
`18:22.33`	`Zachet`	`I'll try more ways of capture the missile into a variable as its fired`
`18:22.34`	`Zachet`	`and see`
`18:22.40`	`Alpha_vst`	`ive seen it done`
`18:22.50`	`Alpha_vst`	`what are you using for teh missle?`
`18:23.41`	`Zachet`	`Copy of Missile Turret Missile`
`18:23.54`	`Zachet`	`It's specially designed to collision though`
`18:24.47`	`Zachet`	`I can always go back to the trigger collision system with a baneling`
`18:24.55`	`Zachet`	`but it wouldn't be as easy to shoot newer weapons later`
`18:27.08`	`Durrean`	`hahaha how great is it.. talking with Ousnius in english only to realize after 30 minutes we are from the same country..`
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`18:28.21`	`Alpha_vst`	`lol`
`18:29.14`	`Alpha_vst`	`i wish i could help you more zachet i suck with the data editor`
`18:29.24`	`bl4ckface`	`does anyone have an idea what model looks the most like a zombie`
`18:29.45`	`Durrean`	`infested terran?`
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`18:30.00`	`bl4ckface`	`yah well.. that would be plan b`
`18:30.58`	`Bifuu`	`i think thats the only thing that looks like a zombie`
`18:30.59`	`Bifuu`	`lol`
`18:31.03`	`Alpha_vst`	`lol`
`18:31.22`	`Alpha_vst`	`you could import zombies but they wont have any animtions`
`18:31.24`	`Elyk`	`Zealot maybe... if you color him all black or something`
`18:31.44`	`Skizot_`	`anyone gotten nin's exporter to work?`
`18:31.59`	`Alpha_vst`	`exporter of what`
`18:32.28`	`Elyk`	`Zealots are already melee and move as slow as a zombie with 2 broken legs so you won't have to change much`
`18:33.05`	`Skizot_`	`m3 exporter`
`18:33.22`	`Alpha_vst`	`you can export models from the editor...`
`18:33.30`	`Skizot_`	`:(`
`18:33.36`	`Skizot_`	`i am making a NEW model.`
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`18:33.42`	`Alpha_vst`	`oh`
`18:33.48`	`Zachet`	`It's okay, Alpha, I suck at it also, you are suffering through me ranting though hugs`
`18:33.58`	`Alpha_vst`	`some guy on the bnet forum got it workin`
`18:34.05`	`Elyk`	`I'm hoping Blizzard releases all of the War3 assets as a mod to make things easy`
`18:34.06`	`Skizot_`	`link?`
`18:34.24`	`Alpha_vst`	`1 sec`
`18:34.42`	`Alpha_vst`	`http://forums.battle.net/thread.html?topicId=24690468817&sid=5000`
`18:35.01`	`Crazafied`	`<PROTECTED>`
`18:35.05`	`Alpha_vst`	`idono if it will help any`
`18:35.35`	`Zachet`	`Suggestion: Copy All Links for data editor, bump it up and stop the hate! http://forums.battle.net/thread.html?topicId=24702230393&sid=5000`
`18:36.24`	`Stimpack`	`when i select a bunch of diffrent units some of them are selected first to do spells and stuff i always have to tab through to get to my coustum unit to do his spells how do i change that ?`
`18:36.44`	`Zachet`	`...`
`18:36.55`	`Zachet`	`Select your unit first?`
`18:37.11`	`Durrean`	`you know zachet, that you can with ctrl have more than 1object editing at time?`
`18:37.13`	`Stimpack`	`that doesnt work`
`18:37.33`	`Zachet`	`... wait...`
`18:37.42`	`Durrean`	`thats a gamemechanism Stimpack, if you mean it ingame`
`18:37.55`	`Stimpack`	`yeah ingame`
`18:38.03`	`Stimpack`	`sry im new to mapping`
`18:38.14`	`Durrean`	`i really really doubt that you can change that`
`18:38.19`	`Zachet`	`That's very nice to know you can open more than 1 data at a time VERY nice... but...`
`18:38.29`	`Alpha_vst`	`lol`
`18:38.30`	`Zachet`	`Copyying a object and all its links`
`18:38.31`	`Zachet`	`doesn't work`
`18:38.43`	`Alpha_vst`	`people on those boards are idiots`
`18:38.47`	`Zachet`	`If you ctrl click all the objects you don't get a copy option`
`18:39.03`	`Durrean`	`do they link all to the same?`
`18:39.25`	`Zachet`	`Well for example a weapon`
`18:39.31`	`Zachet`	`it has Effects, behaviors, and units linke to it`
`18:39.42`	`Zachet`	`if you copy just the weapon it just copies the weapon and not the links`
`18:39.45`	`Zachet`	`so I can't copy from one map to another`
`18:39.51`	`Zachet`	`besides manually doing each one`
`18:40.08`	`bl4ckface`	`hm`
`18:40.09`	`Alpha_vst`	`where in the data editor is creep?`
`18:40.15`	`Elyk`	`they just need a data importer`
`18:40.15`	`bl4ckface`	`how can i change the general color of a unit?`
`18:40.32`	`Zachet`	`Durrean: That's very fucking handy to know though... that will save me a lot of time`
`18:40.32`	`Alpha_vst`	`re-texture it`
`18:40.35`	`bl4ckface`	`the color entry in the actor data doesnt work`
`18:40.41`	`Alpha_vst`	`it does not`
`18:40.45`	`Durrean`	`yeah i know what you mean`
`18:40.54`	`Zachet`	`Black face`
`18:40.59`	`Zachet`	`if you use event messages`
`18:40.59`	`Zachet`	`you can`
`18:41.07`	`Alpha_vst`	`your shitting me right?`
`18:41.10`	`Zachet`	`nope`
`18:41.12`	`Zachet`	`I have done it`
`18:41.15`	`Zachet`	`for my health boxes`
`18:41.16`	`Altharaz`	`last time i had a problem, maybe you could help :-). Here it is: i was looking for removing the creep requirement to a building, that's why i followed the tutorial of sc2mapster.com and i removed the things in Behavior as described. But it didn't work good... Did i forget something?`
`18:41.19`	`Alpha_vst`	`FUCK YOU!!! EDITOR`
`18:41.37`	`Alpha_vst`	`oh for hp`
`18:41.39`	`Alpha_vst`	`not units`
`18:41.46`	`Zachet`	`no no my health box is sa unit`
`18:41.46`	`Zachet`	`sorry`
`18:41.47`	`bl4ckface`	`well re-texturing sounds pretty unrealistic nyway.. you could recolor the wc3 units easily`
`18:41.49`	`Alpha_vst`	`you cant tint units`
`18:41.53`	`Zachet`	`yes you can`
`18:41.55`	`Zachet`	`my health box is a unit`
`18:42.11`	`Zachet`	`You can either straight add it to the data or have a trigger send the message`
`18:42.17`	`Zachet`	`Unit.birth > set tint`
`18:42.25`	`Elyk`	`Altharaz I think there is a placement requirement somewhere, let me look...`
`18:42.35`	`Alpha_vst`	`but the color options in the editor dont work`
`18:42.38`	`Alpha_vst`	`thats dumb`
`18:42.40`	`Zachet`	`yeah`
`18:42.41`	`Zachet`	`its dumb`
`18:42.42`	`Zachet`	`+50 dumb`
`18:42.50`	`bl4ckface`	`mb just bugged in this build`
`18:42.52`	`Alpha_vst`	`well im glad its there`
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`18:43.10`	`Alpha_vst`	`can anyone help me find the creep in the data editor lol`
`18:43.30`	`Altharaz`	`Elyk, ok do you want the map ?`
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`18:45.11`	`Zachet`	`Why did I pick a really difficult map goal -_-`
`18:45.15`	`Elyk`	`Altharaz: nah, that's ok. In the unit's data properties, under Pathing Footprint and Pathing Footprint Placement, try changing those to not say creep`
`18:45.18`	`Crazafied`	`You can tint units`
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`18:45.37`	`Zachet`	`That was so 5 minutes ago`
`18:45.38`	`Zachet`	`-50 dkp`
`18:45.48`	`Crazafied`	`<PROTECTED>`
`18:45.53`	`Crazafied`	`is my tinting trigger`
`18:46.02`	`Alpha_vst`	`start another project zachet and go back later`
`18:46.03`	`Zachet`	`Yup, you can also do it in data`
`18:46.10`	`Zachet`	`Yeah...`
`18:46.16`	`Alpha_vst`	`yeah team colors work`
`18:46.20`	`Alpha_vst`	`but not custom`
`18:46.48`	`Alpha_vst`	`well i have no idea what im talking about so :D`
`18:47.03`	`Zachet`	`Nah, trust me, you just have to pretend and people will believe you`
`18:47.24`	`Alpha_vst`	`I have not touched actor messages`
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`18:47.45`	`Crazafied`	`You can do alot of fun stuff with them`
`18:48.06`	`Alpha_vst`	`i looked at one and it had stuff i had no idea what it meant that was all null`
`18:48.14`	`Alpha_vst`	`and i stopped at that`
`18:48.39`	`Elyk`	`can someone explain to me the relationship between behaviors, actors, and effects? because they seem like the same thing to me.`
`18:50.02`	`Alpha_vst`	`behavior is how it behaves actor is what brings it all together and the effect is what it does`
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`18:50.26`	`Sholdak`	`actor is how it looks*`
`18:50.31`	`Alpha_vst`	`no unit is`
`18:50.41`	`Elyk`	`but you can have a behavior that actually effects other units...`
`18:50.48`	`Sholdak`	`he's talking about abilities`
`18:50.52`	`Crazafied`	`unit is the framework for the actor`
`18:50.54`	`Sholdak`	`behavior is baisically buffs`
`18:50.57`	`Sholdak`	`and things like buffs`
`18:51.08`	`Alpha_vst`	`fuck i get untis and actors backwards`
`18:51.40`	`Sholdak`	`actors are used for a lot more than units`
`18:51.41`	`Alpha_vst`	`no wonder i cant figure the data editor out`
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`18:51.59`	`bl4ckface`	`quick question.. i saw in a video of a custom map that a marine had a "walking" animation`
`18:52.08`	`bl4ckface`	`how do i access that? just reduce the movement speed?`
`18:52.25`	`Crazafied`	`<PROTECTED>`
`18:52.31`	`bl4ckface`	`<3`
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`18:52.50`	`Elyk`	`ok... so here's an example.. I want to make a pylon generate a field that gives energy regen. Do I give the pylon an ability or a behavior that generates the field? and the effect of the field itself is that a different behavior?`
`18:53.04`	`Alpha_vst`	`is what how you name your variables craza?`
`18:53.21`	`Crazafied`	`lol`
`18:53.23`	`Crazafied`	`no`
`18:53.45`	`Crazafied`	`its a TEMPFUCKINGUNIT so i put it in bold and redic so i know i need to get rid of it`
`18:53.54`	`Alpha_vst`	`lol`
`18:54.16`	`Alpha_vst`	`Im working slowly on my ai and its painful`
`18:54.26`	`Alpha_vst`	`cause i have to change code :(`
`18:54.47`	`Sholdak`	`elyk: yes you create 2 behaviors`
`18:54.55`	`Sholdak`	`one that generates the field, one that heals the unit`
`18:55.10`	`Elyk`	`so the behavior has a behavior?`
`18:55.10`	`Sholdak`	`then you use a search effect to select the units that should get healed`
`18:55.13`	`Crazafied`	`Or just do it in triggers :P`
`18:55.30`	`Sholdak`	`the behavior triggers an effect which triggers the 2nd behavior`
`18:55.31`	`Alpha_vst`	`lol`
`18:55.57`	`Sholdak`	`just look at other "auras" to get the idea`
`18:56.03`	`Sholdak`	`sentry shield, or mothership cloak`
`18:56.08`	`Elyk`	`I was using the guardian shield as a starting point and.... yea, I just kept following the links and did a complete circle`
`18:56.20`	`Alpha_vst`	`look at the on creep behavior`
`18:56.29`	`Alpha_vst`	`might be helpful`
`18:57.53`	`Elyk`	`I've been doing ok in the data editor so far.. made my own upgrades, requirements, buttons... but behaviors and unique ability creation is kickin' my butt`
`18:59.01`	`Alpha_vst`	`same`
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`18:59.36`	`Alpha_vst`	`ive been trying to make a unit death apply force to units around it`
`18:59.40`	`Alpha_vst`	`but cant :(`
`19:00.38`	`Sholdak`	`i havent played around with force yet`
`19:00.40`	`Altharaz`	`Elyk, THANK YOU!!!!!!`
`19:00.41`	`Altharaz`	`it works ^^`
`19:00.48`	`Elyk`	`No problem`
`19:01.55`	`Alpha_vst`	`i could do it with triggers but thats lame`
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`19:03.40`	`NeoDeathXp`	`im getting some crazy overflow error when i try and load from my bank`
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`19:04.14`	`NeoDeathXp`	`its creating the bank ok, i can even go in and look at the info but its not loading from it properly`
`19:04.24`	`Alpha_vst`	`:(`
`19:04.30`	`NeoDeathXp`	`anyone having the same problem?`
`19:04.31`	`Ousnius`	`durrean do u have a map already?`
`19:05.04`	`TheDudeAbides`	`anyone knows how to make a unit show its range radius, like the siege tank does`
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`19:05.57`	`Alpha_vst`	`look at the siege tank :P`
`19:06.03`	`TheDudeAbides`	`i am lol`
`19:06.04`	`Alpha_vst`	`oh nm didnt read all of it`
`19:06.23`	`TheDudeAbides`	`i just cant see what property make that range circle show`
`19:06.41`	`Alpha_vst`	`it would be a selection 0.o`
`19:06.55`	`Ousnius`	`maybe the turret or the weapon?`
`19:07.57`	`Ousnius`	`I'm off Bye`
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`19:08.05`	`TheDudeAbides`	`its not the weapon, just gave my unit the siege weapon and it didnt work`
`19:08.26`	`TheDudeAbides`	`not the turret either`
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`19:11.57`	`bl4ckface`	`hmm`
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`19:12.21`	`NeoDeathXp`	`OMG`
`19:12.23`	`NeoDeathXp`	`OMG`
`19:12.30`	`NeoDeathXp`	`i got it to work AHAHAHA`
`19:12.36`	`NeoDeathXp`	`save/load with items`
`19:12.45`	`Alpha_vst`	`sexy`
`19:12.52`	`NeoDeathXp`	`<---feels acomplished`
`19:12.57`	`Alpha_vst`	`good`
`19:13.05`	`Alpha_vst`	`im working on ai`
`19:13.11`	`Alpha_vst`	`i should did somethign else first`
`19:13.31`	`Alpha_vst`	`i have to set all kinds of variables and recode shit`
`19:13.32`	`Alpha_vst`	`:(`
`19:13.37`	`bl4ckface`	`i want the zaelot walkin animation called "walk spell" but how to achieve that? i know how to add the animation.. but when i chose walk in the first field and spell in the second its still just "walk" ingame`
`19:13.46`	`NeoDeathXp`	`Ai is last on my list i want to get proof of concept for all my systems`
`19:14.00`	`Alpha_vst`	`lol`
`19:14.12`	`Alpha_vst`	`well to sorta balance my game i need ai`
`19:14.50`	`Alpha_vst`	`and i have to figure out switches oh joy`
`19:15.08`	`NeoDeathXp`	`i dont even know the first thing about AI`
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`19:15.20`	`NeoDeathXp`	`is there a AI editor in the map editor?`
`19:15.59`	`Alpha_vst`	`not that kind of ai`
`19:16.14`	`Alpha_vst`	`trigger based ai`
`19:16.17`	`Zoxc-`	`the trigger editor`
`19:16.38`	`NeoDeathXp`	`oo`
`19:16.43`	`Dustin`	`Ai is integrated with the natives`
`19:16.49`	`Dustin`	`which is alot better then wc3's`
`19:16.54`	`heysparky`	`Bifuu, as an exercise, I'm trying to recreate the pin crawler - if you can believe it, I'm stuck! The uprooted model won't show up...`
`19:17.12`	`Bifuu`	`lol then its an actor issue`
`19:17.14`	`NeoDeathXp`	`i am going to make aguide to save/load this weekend`
`19:17.20`	`Bifuu`	`check the Events of the Actor`
`19:17.22`	`Alpha_vst`	`sexy`
`19:17.23`	`heysparky`	`and there's no (apparently) specific uprooted actor`
`19:17.38`	`heysparky`	`so I'm not sure how to attach these elements... ugh`
`19:17.51`	`heysparky`	`or how they relate`
`19:17.53`	`heysparky`	`etc`
`19:17.58`	`heysparky`	`so freaking arcane`
`19:18.06`	`Bifuu`	`its in the Actor as the other one`
`19:18.23`	`Dustin`	`im writing a 2d physics system in galaxy`
`19:18.25`	`228zip	`~seen Tokoji`
`19:18.28`	`purl`	`tokoji <~c3530b42@gateway/web/freenode/x-sumvlvdkbbzedhqr> was last seen on IRC in channel #sc2mapster, 5d 9h 43m 11s ago, saying: '12200'.`
`19:18.28`	`Bifuu`	`Remember how i had to go back and check everything`
`19:18.28`	`heysparky`	`so the actor holds some link I can't find?`
`19:19.05`	`Bifuu`	`yeah, Go to the Spine Crawler (uprooted) and look at what actors are attached to it, you will prolly see the Pin Crawler`
`19:19.19`	`heysparky`	`I do! so... what does that tell me`
`19:20.14`	`Bifuu`	`Theres references in the Actor for the non Pin crawler that still point to the uprooted spinecrawler`
`19:20.22`	`Bifuu`	`you need to change those to the Pin Crawler's uproot`
`19:21.04`	`heysparky`	`k`
`19:21.08`	`heysparky`	`ah... okay... looking`
`19:21.24`	`228zip	`is there a bigger version of the sc2mapster logo ?`
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`19:21.49`	`Alpha_vst`	`never`
`19:21.55`	`Alpha_vst`	`probably`
`19:22.36`	`Alpha_vst`	`how do i change the minimap color of creep?`
`19:22.50`	`228zip	`oh and also`
`19:23.02`	`228zip	`the research on the forums allows you to see the hidden sections`
`19:23.09`	`228zip	`you know, the one reserved to the moderators`
`19:23.12`	`Bifuu`	`i have to go to work now Sparky, so if you still need help the VoD from last night is still up at http://www.livestream.com/Bifuu, grab some Speakers and listen to it i explain it =P`
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`19:26.55`	`Legick`	`anyone know how to gradually spawn units, like in a line rather than a big clump of them?`
`19:26.58`	`Elyk`	`ooookkk.... I think I understand now.. the effect is the field bubble, shield, energy aura, whatever is being generated by the unit, and the effect also determines what the targets are... and the actual change that is being done happens through behaviors..`
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`19:27.11`	`UdderChaos`	`sup`
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`19:27.18`	`Sholdak`	`yes that's generally how it works elyk`
`19:27.25`	`HBHades`	`legik: have you tried spawning each unit at the last units position?`
`19:27.26`	`Sholdak`	`effects can also cause instantenous damage`
`19:27.32`	`Skizot_`	`http://i.imgur.com/4Woje.jpg`
`19:27.39`	`Legick`	`ooh i have not`
`19:27.42`	`Legick`	`that would make sense`
`19:28.06`	`heysparky`	`ahh... thanks bifuu, it was the events+ dialog`
`19:28.41`	`heysparky`	`I'd done it half way when I created the rooted pin crawler, but forgot that I'd done that when I created the unrooted pin crawler`
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`19:29.00`	`Elyk`	`yea so you could have an explosion... and the effect could deal damage, then apply a behavior that sets the unit on fire. I'm learning`
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`19:29.51`	`heysparky`	`dagummit`
`19:29.53`	`Alpha_vst`	`yeah`
`19:29.56`	`heysparky`	`keep closing the window`
`19:30.04`	`rebb`	`i wonder what system the nibbits "featured map" image is based on, seems to be stuck on the same map for ages for me o_O`
`19:31.35`	`Elyk`	`I hate how we still have no idea how bnet 2.0 and custom maps will work. I mean they've told us some details... but its hard to know if the stuff that changes how our lobby works, or what the heck map variables and gametypes actually do.`
`19:31.38`	`UdderChaos`	`2 Questions, A0 has anyone figured out hwo to stop untis from auto attacking hostiles when idle? (for 3rd eprson RPG) and also wether you can make a dead marine doodad with bodyparts ect, because when i try and use the mdoels they just so the state/first frame of the marine just before it dies still standing, rather than the end or the animation itself`
`19:32.14`	`FrozenFirebat`	`Any good examples of a unit that fires in either the direction of a mouseclick, or fires in the direction of the unit facing... All without a target needed... Bullet Trajectory stuff... ?`
`19:32.22`	`Cronos\|Gone`	`If you upload maps/post of forums etc .. you gain gold .. I think you can but feature my map with gold... so only one guy must have done that`
`19:32.27`	`HBHades`	`elyk: ive done some research`
`19:32.39`	`Cronos\|Gone`	`buy*`
`19:32.40`	`HBHades`	`two types of games`
`19:33.18`	`HBHades`	`1. 100% custom maps with no blizzard assets. these will be part of the marketplace and will be purchased`
`19:33.22`	`Crazafied`	`I have the weirdest fucking bug right now and i cant figure out how to fix it if i delete a folder it makes all my triggers not work correctly the damn folder has NO triggers in it`
`19:33.51`	`HBHades`	`2. Custom maps that use blizzard assets. These will be free to anyoone who wants to play.`
`19:34.15`	`HBHades`	`It has been released that matchmaking will be integrated for the most popular maps`
`19:34.23`	`heysparky`	`yikes craza`
`19:34.34`	`Elyk`	`I thought matchmaking would be integrated for all maps?`
`19:34.44`	`Legick`	`only for popular ones`
`19:34.50`	`HBHades`	`matchmaking like the ladder has`
`19:34.55`	`Crazafied`	`Yeah man this really sucks lol`
`19:34.56`	`Elyk`	`oh ok`
`19:34.57`	`Legick`	`they said they might also make achievements for popular maps too`
`19:35.03`	`HBHades`	`custom games will follow the old style host and players`
`19:35.13`	`HBHades`	`legick: yep thats right`
`19:35.32`	`Elyk`	`so non-pop maps if you click the join button it will find one randomly, but if its popular it does a search and finds a full game and starts it?`
`19:35.56`	`HBHades`	`Elyk: from what they've said`
`19:36.07`	`UdderChaos`	`is ther any way of protecting your map? so if you want to test it but you dont want everyone in the test to be able to even host your map becuase your developing a paid one, will it stop that?`
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`19:36.16`	`Elyk`	`because there's no way to see a list of games being hosted.. so i imagine it will still search for a lobby at least`
`19:36.26`	`HBHades`	`Looking at the beta numbers matchmaking would be viable at 1k concurent players (Like early beta)`
`19:36.35`	`Legick`	`yeah they support map protection and all that`
`19:36.46`	`Legick`	`the publish feature will support private and public use`
`19:36.48`	`UdderChaos`	`gd`
`19:37.17`	`HBHades`	`Also if you are planning on making an all custom map to make $$$ think again`
`19:37.29`	`Legick`	`anyone know if custom maps are stored locally?`
`19:37.40`	`Legick`	`well, will be`
`19:37.48`	`Elyk`	`so any idea what "Game Atrributes" and "Game Variants" will do?`
`19:37.56`	`HBHades`	`Blizzard has stated that they will only share "A portion of the profit" from your map with you`
`19:38.11`	`davidcramer`	`rebb: its based on moderators/heavy users picking it`
`19:38.20`	`davidcramer`	`(only featured, popular is based on an algo based on random stuff)`
`19:38.42`	`HBHades`	`I would assume "Game variants" would mean like AP or AR from DotA`
`19:38.50`	`HBHades`	`change the rules around`
`19:39.05`	`Elyk`	`right... but I'm trying to figure out how those would work on bnet.`
`19:39.13`	`davidcramer`	`HBHades: its also for all the melee maps for 1v1 2v2 etc`
`19:39.15`	`Alpha_vst`	`it means 1v1 and 2v2 and such`
`19:39.35`	`rebb`	`ah i see, thought it would be something that randomly chooses from the popular ones`
`19:39.38`	`bl4ckface`	`im trying to set the "walkin spell" animation on all zaelots ingame for an indefinate amount of time.. i cant seem to get it working...`
`19:39.47`	`Skizot_`	`why?`
`19:39.59`	`Skizot_`	`zealots don't HAVE walk spell.`
`19:40.04`	`bl4ckface`	`yes they do`
`19:40.11`	`Skizot_`	`it's WALK`
`19:40.18`	`bl4ckface`	`no its called Walk Spell`
`19:40.21`	`bl4ckface`	`check it in the previewr`
`19:40.25`	`Skizot_`	`marines don't have walk spell either, it calls walk`
`19:40.40`	`Elyk`	`wakka wakka wakka!`
`19:40.42`	`bl4ckface`	`again.. im looking at it right now`
`19:40.50`	`bl4ckface`	`and it sais walk spell`
`19:40.51`	`Crazafied`	`Wow i found the bug if you don't have a specific load somewhere in the map even if its not being called banks will not load`
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`19:41.25`	`Crazafied`	`So you can reference a bank as in Load bank "name" (triggering player) but somewhere in your map their has to be load bank "name" player 1 even if its not called at all`
`19:41.34`	`bl4ckface`	`any idea how i could achieve that?`
`19:41.35`	`Crazafied`	`makes no sense`
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`19:41.47`	`Elyk`	`that sounds dumb Craza`
`19:41.54`	`Skizot_`	`they are basically the same thing`
`19:42.04`	`Elyk`	`but I think the leaderboards are just as broken...`
`19:42.04`	`Crazafied`	`Yeah makes no sense....`
`19:42.06`	`Skizot_`	`but it's easy to do.`
`19:42.11`	`Skizot_`	`call animation on the unit`
`19:42.13`	`Skizot_`	`wait`
`19:42.19`	`Skizot_`	`tstop animation.`
`19:42.55`	`bl4ckface`	`"animation - play walk spell animation for actor for zaelot(xx.xx, xx.xx) ?`
`19:43.11`	`UdderChaos`	`arghh anyone else getting stupid screentearing on their maps?`
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`19:43.28`	`Skizot_`	`yes`
`19:43.39`	`bl4ckface`	`doesnt work :/`
`19:43.41`	`HBHades`	`latest drivers?`
`19:43.49`	`HBHades`	`ati or nVidia?`
`19:44.02`	`Skizot_`	`doesn't work for you.`
`19:44.05`	`HBHades`	`How old is your card?`
`19:44.06`	`Skizot_`	`works fine for me.`
`19:44.17`	`UdderChaos`	`250gts`
`19:44.19`	`UdderChaos`	`nvidia`
`19:44.29`	`UdderChaos`	`i dont get it ingame tho only on my custom map`
`19:44.32`	`Legick`	`i have a worse card and no tearing here`
`19:44.34`	`UdderChaos`	`one of them`
`19:44.35`	`bl4ckface`	`well that just makes no sense :p then u did something different`
`19:44.55`	`HBHades`	`UdderChaos: your drivers up to date?`
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`19:44.59`	`UdderChaos`	`it might be the 3rd person camera following the unit udating`
`19:45.08`	`bl4ckface`	`can u tell me how your trigger looks exactly?`
`19:45.08`	`UdderChaos`	`no but it doesn't happen ingame`
`19:45.14`	`HBHades`	`UdderChaos: GE has a lot of problems with old drivers`
`19:45.20`	`bl4ckface`	`skizot`
`19:45.25`	`HBHades`	`some problems even SC2 doesnt have`
`19:45.25`	`UdderChaos`	`only when i test my one custom map`
`19:46.21`	`UdderChaos`	`bl4ckface basicly every 0.05 seconds of gametime it makes the camera look at my unit, and applys camera object of rot, distance angle and height`
`19:46.30`	`Skizot_`	`<PROTECTED>`
`19:46.39`	`bl4ckface`	`nah i meant skizot_ , sorry :p`
`19:46.53`	`UdderChaos`	`ah ok`
`19:46.56`	`HBHades`	`Udder: have you watched your task manager while it is runing?`
`19:47.04`	`UdderChaos`	`no ill do it now`
`19:47.30`	`bl4ckface`	`and then the unit runs arround with that animation the whole time?`
`19:47.43`	`bl4ckface`	`as soon as i pull it it runs normal`
`19:48.15`	`HBHades`	`easiest way to get a random number from 0-15?`
`19:48.24`	`Skizot_`	`yes?`
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`19:48.56`	`Skizot_`	`well it plays it once.`
`19:48.56`	`bl4ckface`	`lol.. i did not think that through`
`19:49.01`	`bl4ckface`	`yes`
`19:49.05`	`bl4ckface`	`exactly.. makes perfect sense`
`19:49.28`	`bl4ckface`	`so how the hell do i change the "walk" animation with the "walk spell" animation permanently? xD`
`19:49.35`	`Skizot_`	`you don't?`
`19:49.44`	`bl4ckface`	`but i'd want that very much`
`19:50.07`	`bl4ckface`	`i would have to export the model and change it on import?`
`19:50.09`	`Alpha_vst`	`look at the wow movement on sc2mapster`
`19:50.32`	`Alpha_vst`	`it does what you are trying to do`
`19:50.39`	`bl4ckface`	`huh?`
`19:50.54`	`bl4ckface`	`where would that wow movement be?`
`19:50.57`	`nicoli_s`	`davidcramer: dick riding obama is a boondocks reference`
`19:51.06`	`davidcramer`	`oh really?`
`19:51.06`	`UdderChaos`	`yeah HB`
`19:51.10`	`Stimpack`	`is it somehow possible if i select a few diffrent units ingame to set my custoum unit at first so that i dont have to tab all the way through other units to select its abilitys ?`
`19:51.14`	`nicoli_s`	`yeah new season started sunday`
`19:51.25`	`davidcramer`	`interesting`
`19:51.26`	`UdderChaos`	`goes to like 70-8% cpu usage and memory stays about 2gig out of 4`
`19:52.14`	`Alpha_vst`	`blackface http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/simple-mmo-controls/`
`19:52.27`	`Alpha_vst`	`unless i completely missed what you want to do :P`
`19:52.27`	`Repo`	`New map: http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/neomercy/. Neo Mercy Hospital. arkandotmetempsyche (Manager/Author). Approved by vjeux.`
`19:52.32`	`UdderChaos`	`also HBHades i have my graphics card on forced vsync too`
`19:52.52`	`UdderChaos`	`to try and fix it earlier didnt do much`
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`19:53.18`	`HBHades`	`70-80% is pretty hardcore cpu usage`
`19:53.33`	`HBHades`	`2/4 gigs should be fine`
`19:53.56`	`Stimpack`	`no alpha i mean like in orignal sc2 if you have a ghost and a marine selected and u want to cast stimpack u have to tab 1 time to select him and use stimpack`
`19:54.07`	`UdderChaos`	`its a crappy amd dual core 5000+`
`19:54.16`	`bl4ckface`	`yah true.. that dark templar is running very weird.. permanently ^^`
`19:54.26`	`bl4ckface`	`but thats the idea`
`19:54.33`	`HBHades`	`only thing i can think is...your card is faulty, the drivers are out of date, or you stumbled apon an actual graphics issue that blizzard has not resolved yet`
`19:54.55`	`HBHades`	`only one of them is easilly fixable`
`19:55.41`	`UdderChaos`	`liek i said its only in this custom map`
`19:55.41`	`UdderChaos`	`*like`
`19:55.41`	`Stimpack`	`because if you have both units for example binded on 1 and i press 1 it will always show the ghost abilitys first`
`19:55.41`	`UdderChaos`	`not in melee or my other custom maps`
`19:55.41`	`HBHades`	`sometimes thats all it is`
`19:55.41`	`Stimpack`	`and i have to tab to marine to use its stimpack`
`19:55.41`	`HBHades`	`GE was destroying my card...and i wasnt even testing in-game`
`19:55.53`	`HBHades`	`the second i updated drivers it went away`
`19:58.58`	`*** join/#sc2mapster Ignorance (~daviddavi@dhcp-v010-066.mobile.uci.edu)`
`19:59.26`	`Ignorance`	`Has anyone figured out how to deal with proportions on dialogs or other UI elements??`
`19:59.59`	`Ignorance`	`i.e. on my widescreen monitor, everything lines up perfectly, but it looks absolutely terrible on my laptop`
`20:00.47`	`Ignorance`	`or even a way to return screen width/height would be fine`
`20:00.59`	`HBHades`	`one sec let me see`
`20:01.25`	`Altharaz`	`do we have a way to remove an actor from a unit?`
`20:02.29`	`Ignorance`	`Kill actor scope?`
`20:02.40`	`Ignorance`	`or does that just kill units?`
`20:03.21`	`HBHades`	`Ignorance: I cant seem to find anything that will return the Screen W/H. Have you searched the api documentation?`
`20:03.29`	`Ignorance`	`looking`
`20:05.12`	`Ignorance`	`Where's the long list on the site?`
`20:05.59`	`Ignorance`	`of functions`
`20:06.37`	`HBHades`	`<PROTECTED>`
`20:07.05`	`Altharaz`	`Thank you Ignorance, i deleted them in the actor menu, and it removed them`
`20:08.21`	`Ignorance`	`oh, that's what you meant`
`20:08.23`	`Ignorance`	`haha`
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`20:12.24`	`*** join/#sc2mapster vectorsky (~vectorsky@eci-gw1.eldocomp.com)`
`20:12.50`	`*** join/#sc2mapster Shaki (~shaki@49-42-141.wireless.iaw.on.ca)`
`20:12.54`	`Shaki`	`OH`
`20:12.55`	`Shaki`	`MY GOD.`
`20:13.01`	`Shaki`	`sc2...`
`20:13.09`	`Shaki`	`july... 2..7... is....`
`20:13.11`	`Shaki`	`dies.`
`20:13.16`	`Ignorance`	`far away?`
`20:13.24`	`Alpha_vst`	`welcome to yesterday`
`20:13.32`	`Ignorance`	`I want to play the campaign. :O`
`20:14.05`	`HBHades`	`Shaki: Where did you read this?`
`20:14.13`	`Shaki`	`homepage of the site why?`
`20:14.18`	`Shaki`	`then it linked to the blizzard press`
`20:14.19`	`HBHades`	`oh shit`
`20:14.27`	`Shaki`	`then read on the site of starcraft2.com`
`20:14.32`	`Alpha_vst`	`welcome to yesterday HB :D`
`20:14.45`	`Shaki`	`"When is the game coming out?" LIES!`
`20:14.51`	`Shaki`	`their faq needs an update`
`20:14.59`	`Alpha_vst`	`lol`
`20:15.04`	`Alpha_vst`	`a lot of shit needs an update`
`20:15.09`	`HBHades`	`wow...`
`20:15.19`	`NeoDeathXp`	`is there anyway to create a new text field display area?`
`20:15.37`	`Shaki`	`HB`
`20:15.40`	`Shaki`	`dont know about you`
`20:15.41`	`*** join/#sc2mapster Zachet (~9c38130e@gateway/web/freenode/x-xbqywwlhlfjedrad)`
`20:15.42`	`Shaki`	`but last night`
`20:15.44`	`Shaki`	`it wasnt up`
`20:15.51`	`Zachet`	`So someone earlier changed the texture of creep`
`20:15.55`	`Zachet`	`Are they still here?`
`20:15.55`	`Alpha_vst`	`me`
`20:15.59`	`Zachet`	`w00t`
`20:15.59`	`Alpha_vst`	`yeah`
`20:15.59`	`Shaki`	`Posted by vjeux 4 hours ago`
`20:16.03`	`Shaki`	`tard.`
`20:16.05`	`Zachet`	`How the hell do you do that`
`20:16.07`	`Zachet`	`^^`
`20:16.11`	`Alpha_vst`	`lol`
`20:16.15`	`HBHades`	`Shaki: almost 3 months to go...`
`20:16.24`	`Shaki`	`so?`
`20:16.26`	`HBHades`	`looks like my maps have a new deadline`
`20:16.28`	`Shaki`	`3 months is nothing`
`20:16.40`	`Alpha_vst`	`you need to export the .dds from the mpq`
`20:16.51`	`HBHades`	`beta will deff hold me over till campaign release`
`20:16.52`	`Shaki`	`yo its my bros bday today`
`20:16.53`	`Shaki`	`so`
`20:16.58`	`Ignorance`	`When can we play multiplayer UMS anyway?`
`20:17.05`	`Alpha_vst`	`next patch`
`20:17.09`	`Alpha_vst`	`or so`
`20:17.12`	`Zachet`	`So in that case it wouldn't be possible for me to have different buildings make different texture creep?`
`20:17.23`	`Alpha_vst`	`no i cant find creep`
`20:17.25`	`Crazafied`	`hopefully soon so everyone can test their maps for multiplayer`
`20:17.27`	`Alpha_vst`	`in teh data editor`
`20:17.31`	`Zachet`	`That's so gay`
`20:17.36`	`Zachet`	`-50 points for blizzard`
`20:17.58`	`Alpha_vst`	`yeah if you can help me find the reference to creep and jsut not the spawers`
`20:18.17`	`Shaki`	`they're releasing it soo soon`
`20:18.18`	`*** join/#sc2mapster Cronos\|Gone (~mattb@network173-210.wctc.net)`
`20:18.18`	`Zachet`	`yeah only thing I saw was the spawners and footers`
`20:18.18`	`Shaki`	`i mean`
`20:18.21`	`Zachet`	`=/`
`20:18.25`	`Shaki`	`i see tons of errors in the editor`
`20:18.29`	`Alpha_vst`	`yeah`
`20:18.36`	`Shaki`	`they just need to make the editor good.`
`20:18.38`	`*** join/#sc2mapster Stimpack (~n.garlich@f051035242.adsl.alicedsl.de)`
`20:18.47`	`Shaki`	`then they can stop updating it.`
`20:18.50`	`Shaki`	`like they always do`
`20:19.01`	`HBHades`	`the editor feels like its not complete...my guess is thats because this is beta and the editor is free`
`20:19.33`	`Alpha_vst`	`and the single palyer data is missing`
`20:19.45`	`Ignorance`	`practically all of the data from it isn't thre`
`20:19.46`	`Ignorance`	`there*`
`20:19.50`	`HBHades`	`yep which means all the cool campaign units!`
`20:19.53`	`Ignorance`	`of course it feels incomplete`
`20:20.08`	`Shaki`	`yup`
`20:20.19`	`Alpha_vst`	`i need lunch hmmm`
`20:20.34`	`HBHades`	`Ignorance: I mean things like the folliage tool, script editor that actually edits`
`20:20.44`	`Dustin`	`ohh got 2 beta keys`
`20:20.49`	`Ignorance`	`I don't know what's with the script editor.`
`20:20.53`	`Ignorance`	`fucked up shit`
`20:21.03`	`HBHades`	`me thinks its just disabled`
`20:21.12`	`*** join/#sc2mapster Cr0n0s (~mattb@network173-210.wctc.net)`
`20:21.32`	`Shaki`	`it bettter not be fucking online only`
`20:21.48`	`HBHades`	`Shaki: What?`
`20:21.52`	`Altharaz`	`is there a way to add an actor to an existing unit?`
`20:21.53`	`Shaki`	`what i play when my internet dies is sc campaign and wc3 campaign`
`20:22.00`	`Shaki`	`if they make the game online only`
`20:22.02`	`Shaki`	`i will`
`20:22.03`	`Altharaz`	`even if the actor is used by another unit?`
`20:22.12`	`Shaki`	`hunt down blizzard entertainments sc2 leader`
`20:22.18`	`Shaki`	`AND MURDER HIS FAMILY`
`20:22.31`	`HBHades`	`Shaki: as far as i know you only need internet to install the game`
`20:22.44`	`Shaki`	`in the beta`
`20:22.50`	`HBHades`	`you shouldnt need a consistent connection`
`20:22.51`	`Shaki`	`you have to log in online`
`20:23.03`	`HBHades`	`beta is also all multyplayer`
`20:23.05`	`Shaki`	`then it has a greyed out "Single player" button`
`20:23.28`	`Shaki`	`btw everyone who doesnt have beta`
`20:23.33`	`Shaki`	`its not really that fun lol`
`20:23.33`	`HBHades`	`there are press releases about the online connections thing`
`20:23.41`	`Shaki`	`where can i read`
`20:23.41`	`Ignorance`	`That's because of an online save feature.`
`20:23.51`	`Shaki`	`oh`
`20:23.52`	`Ignorance`	`online save = play same campaign on multiple computers`
`20:23.55`	`HBHades`	`google it...`
`20:23.57`	`Ignorance`	`also achievements`
`20:23.57`	`Shaki`	`OH`
`20:23.59`	`Shaki`	`ignorance`
`20:24.02`	`Shaki`	`you make sense`
`20:24.17`	`Shaki`	`hugs Ignorance`
`20:24.40`	`Shaki`	`sixen`
`20:24.45`	`Shaki`	`add me on your beta acc`
`20:24.46`	`Shaki`	`:(`
`20:25.36`	`*** join/#sc2mapster Hati (kvirc@dslb-088-075-233-244.pools.arcor-ip.net)`
`20:26.11`	`Shaki`	`my beta name is Shaki.shingi`
`20:26.13`	`Shaki`	`add me all!`
`20:26.48`	`HBHades`	`lol why? you hate beta`
`20:26.59`	`HBHades`	`<Shaki> its not really that fun lol`
`20:27.07`	`Shaki`	`i only hate it cuz i suck at it`
`20:27.11`	`Shaki`	`if they allowed custom maps`
`20:27.14`	`Shaki`	`:)`
`20:27.16`	`Shaki`	`and also`
`20:27.19`	`Shaki`	`no one talks to you`
`20:27.35`	`Shaki`	`i got so angry at my enemies once, i hid my terrain command center lifted off in the corner of the screen`
`20:27.39`	`HBHades`	`yah it is a quiet game`
`20:27.41`	`Shaki`	`took them 2 hours to find it`
`20:27.58`	`Shaki`	`while they were wasting their time for 1 pt i was watching tv and eating`
`20:28.10`	`Alpha_vst`	`lol`
`20:28.14`	`HBHades`	`lol`
`20:28.18`	`HBHades`	`your evil`
`20:28.24`	`Shaki`	`yes, yes i am.`
`20:28.36`	`HBHades`	`but in Gold/Platinum thing like that wont happen`
`20:28.39`	`Shaki`	`more evil than hades.`
`20:28.48`	`Shaki`	`gold/plat?`
`20:29.02`	`HBHades`	`top 2 leages on ladder`
`20:29.08`	`HBHades`	`leagues*`
`20:29.28`	`Shaki`	`uhm`
`20:29.29`	`Shaki`	`ok?`
`20:29.39`	`Shaki`	`if the person searching for me knew where i was`
`20:29.40`	`HBHades`	`Copper->Bronze->Silver->Gold->Plat`
`20:29.43`	`Shaki`	`they'd of won fast`
`20:29.55`	`Shaki`	`i didnt play to win`
`20:29.59`	`Shaki`	`i played to be a fck face.`
`20:30.00`	`bl4ckface`	`is there a tutorial for ui customization somewhere?`
`20:30.00`	`Shaki`	`:)`
`20:30.13`	`Shaki`	`ima go make other people pissed while im eating agin`
`20:30.16`	`Shaki`	`or talking to you.`
`20:30.20`	`Shaki`	`gimme a sec.`
`20:30.23`	`HBHades`	`lol awesome`
`20:30.40`	`HBHades`	`blackface: what type of ui are you looking to make?`
`20:31.06`	`bl4ckface`	`reworked hero interface.. but no rpg/mmorpg/wow ripoff`
`20:31.18`	`Skizot_`	`there IS actually a rank below copper.`
`20:31.23`	`Skizot_`	`it's called TIN.`
`20:31.32`	`HBHades`	`lol`
`20:31.38`	`Skizot_`	`it's just VERY hard to suck THAT bad`
`20:31.39`	`HBHades`	`TIN is exclusive`
`20:31.54`	`Elyk`	`is it invite only? heh`
`20:32.12`	`HBHades`	`bl4ck: look up dialog/dialog items`
`20:32.34`	`Skizot_`	`you basicially have to kill yourself`
`20:32.40`	`Kalapixie`	`Okay, I'm trying to make a variable equal elapsed time divided by ten, only I can't seem to make it equal elapsed time anywhere in the triggers. Maybe I'm looking for the wrong trigger, any advice?`
`20:32.42`	`TheDudeAbides`	`anyone knows how the range display works on units?`
`20:32.49`	`TheDudeAbides`	`like for the siege mode tank`
`20:33.03`	`TheDudeAbides`	`even if i make a duplicate of thee tank with everything copied, it goes away`
`20:33.23`	`HBHades`	`Kalapixie: you need to use a custom script`
`20:33.28`	`Elyk`	`Kalapixie you could make a trigger that increments a variable every second, and call the variable "elapsed time"`
`20:33.43`	`Kalapixie`	`Danke.`
`20:34.04`	`Kalapixie`	`And are local variables in the trigger editor local to the map or local to that trigger specifically?`
`20:34.14`	`Elyk`	`local to the trigger`
`20:34.19`	`HBHades`	`yah`
`20:34.23`	`Kalapixie`	`How do I make a map-wide variable?`
`20:34.31`	`HBHades`	`globals are outside of the trigger`
`20:34.38`	`Elyk`	`where you make a trigger`
`20:34.39`	`HBHades`	`just right click and add variable`
`20:34.51`	`Elyk`	`its also control+b`
`20:34.58`	`Kalapixie`	`okay gotcha, I just used new element. Thanks! ^_^`
`20:35.02`	`Elyk`	`ctrl+t is trigger`
`20:35.29`	`HBHades`	`ctrl-w is new element`
`20:35.37`	`HBHades`	`although that one is annoying sometimes`
`20:35.42`	`Elyk`	`I never use element`
`20:35.59`	`HBHades`	`i only use it when im reall tired`
`20:36.00`	`Elyk`	`its contextual or something... its never what I want it to be`
`20:36.02`	`Kalapixie`	`Is there a command reference for custom script making?`
`20:36.26`	`HBHades`	`kala: i use api docs`
`20:36.47`	`HBHades`	`kala: you can also use the raw script and add functions from there`
`20:37.02`	`HBHades`	`ctrl-F11`
`20:37.55`	`Kalapixie`	`okay`
`20:38.08`	`Kalapixie`	`and the api docs are where? (sorry sorry, I'm a noob ^_^)`
`20:38.18`	`HBHades`	`sc2mapster.com`
`20:38.24`	`Kalapixie`	`danke`
`20:38.37`	`Alpha_vst`	`lol`
`20:38.59`	`Kalapixie`	`I know, I'm spoiled, I'm used to having everything on an easy-to-access wiki with a listing of everything.`
`20:39.08`	`HBHades`	`yep`
`20:39.20`	`HBHades`	`GE is deff not extremely documented`
`20:39.44`	`HBHades`	`i like it...like a complex puzzle`
`20:40.01`	`TheDudeAbides`	`we'll have documentation someday`
`20:40.08`	`Elyk`	`At least there are some tooltips`
`20:40.08`	`HBHades`	`everyone here learns a little then spreads the info`
`20:40.23`	`Elyk`	`it'd be a nightmare if they had no tooltips at all`
`20:40.29`	`HBHades`	`indeed`
`20:40.39`	`Alpha_vst`	`yeah`
`20:40.42`	`HBHades`	`some of their data fields are so vague`
`20:40.43`	`Alpha_vst`	`FUCK MY GAME IS HARD`
`20:40.51`	`Alpha_vst`	`i cant last moer than a min`
`20:41.04`	`Elyk`	`that's how you know its good`
`20:41.09`	`*** join/#sc2mapster ShadowTiger (~4b198235@gateway/web/freenode/x-rgjpkrmcjweynixh)`
`20:41.15`	`Alpha_vst`	`i need to tone it down`
`20:41.21`	`HBHades`	`there you go...thats the hardcore dificulty right there`
`20:41.34`	`HBHades`	`then just tone it down for other dificulties`
`20:41.43`	`HBHades`	`Hey shadow!`
`20:41.43`	`Alpha_vst`	`i only have 2 units in the game lol`
`20:41.44`	`Elyk`	`mine was too easy, so I made it the default easy setting and made the other options more difficult`
`20:42.02`	`Alpha_vst`	`once i get the rest omg`
`20:42.12`	`Alpha_vst`	`i have plans for the lava slug`
`20:42.13`	`HBHades`	`Shadow: thinks for the ideas the other day...i learned a lot about Upgrades and actor events`
`20:42.29`	`Alpha_vst`	`and a ling that i was to have on fire 0.o`
`20:42.53`	`ShadowTiger`	`heyya`
`20:43.22`	`Vailreth`	`it would be sweet if some one made a fire earth and wind version of the ice zerg color scheme`
`20:43.26`	`Elyk`	`I'm at work, remoted into my home PC to screw around in the map editor. gogo VPN's`
`20:43.29`	`ShadowTiger`	`yeah i released a youtube tutorial on actors and im gonna do one for upgrades next`
`20:43.47`	`HBHades`	`nice ill be sure to take a look`
`20:44.02`	`Elyk`	`upgrades aren't so bad... effects and behaviors are OMGMYFACE!`
`20:44.09`	`Kalapixie`	`Do you expect blizzard to upgrade the galaxy editor language later on, so it has less limitations?`
`20:44.26`	`Kalapixie`	`or is that hopeful wishing?`
`20:44.40`	`Elyk`	`GE will probably get updates`
`20:44.47`	`Elyk`	`War3 editor had tons`
`20:45.03`	`Elyk`	`they had War3 patches that just added stuff to the editor`
`20:45.14`	`Kalapixie`	`Cool`
`20:45.22`	`Vailreth`	`has any one tried placing the Happy Fun Ball Unit?`
`20:45.32`	`HBHades`	`lol nope`
`20:45.50`	`Kalapixie`	`I was hoping to get a basic 'defend the base from waves of attacking enemies' map done before my boyfriend gets home, but doing that in 45 minutes in a completely foreign environment seems a bit steep ^_^`
`20:46.17`	`Alpha_vst`	`fuck my ai`
`20:46.20`	`Elyk`	`Kalapixie that's what I've been working on for weeks now.`
`20:46.29`	`HBHades`	`give it a couple of days Kala`
`20:46.36`	`Alpha_vst`	`i need food and a break`
`20:46.56`	`HBHades`	`anyone worked with Dialog elements?`
`20:47.00`	`Vailreth`	`i havent even started trying to trigger a map i am focusing on units in the data editor for the moment ...`
`20:47.03`	`Skizot_`	`like what hades?`
`20:47.05`	`Kalapixie`	`My girly fingers as it stands, probably aren't good enough for becoming a pro SC2-er....so I might as well become a good mapmaker.`
`20:47.11`	`Skizot_`	`i've done a ton of ui`
`20:47.25`	`Elyk`	`mapmaking is more rewarding`
`20:47.26`	`HBHades`	`Skizot: like making a checkbox act as a radio button`
`20:47.39`	`Kalapixie`	`Possibly less enticing financially though.`
`20:47.54`	`Kalapixie`	`I'll see. If time permits, I'll become a good map maker and a good player.`
`20:47.55`	`HBHades`	`i did it...just wondered if anyone hit the same problems as i did`
`20:47.56`	`Kalapixie`	`Maybe.`
`20:48.03`	`Elyk`	`I'm ok at SC2, I've been in gold 1v1 and my AT's are all in plat (but no one plays AT anyway) and mapmaking is still more rewarding`
`20:48.05`	`Vailreth`	`OH i wonder if this is possible ... i could make a radio`
`20:48.23`	`Kalapixie`	`Radio Zerg?`
`20:48.26`	`Kalapixie`	`Badumpsh`
`20:48.30`	`HBHades`	`lol`
`20:48.45`	`HBHades`	`A playlist UI would be nice`
`20:48.46`	`Vailreth`	`or alteast a cd player...`
`20:48.57`	`Skizot_`	`hmmm...`
`20:49.12`	`Skizot_`	`you could have triggers that delect the other checkboxes`
`20:49.13`	`Elyk`	`you can make sound objects...so its possible?`
`20:49.41`	`Vailreth`	`the question is only effects...`
`20:49.53`	`HBHades`	`Skizot_: yep, ive got it working. just wanted to warn yah if you havent worked on one yet`
`20:50.09`	`Elyk`	`you mean like a radio in the game as a doodad/unit or a radio as in an interface to play music from the game?`
`20:50.22`	`Vailreth`	`i mean a unit`
`20:50.30`	`Elyk`	`yea, that would be neat`
`20:50.40`	`ShadowTiger`	`you can make a radio`
`20:50.57`	`*** part/#sc2mapster dorgan (~dorgan@rrcs-97-77-90-180.se.biz.rr.com)`
`20:51.03`	`Kalapixie`	`Make a marine unit with two special abilities, one is change channel (forward) and the other is change channel (backwards)? ^_^`
`20:51.11`	`Kalapixie`	`ducks`
`20:51.11`	`HBHades`	`the problem is you have to detect any time a checkbox gets checked and uncheck the rest...The problem comes from the fact that it becomes an infinite loop`
`20:51.19`	`ShadowTiger`	`you could also just put buttons on the screen..`
`20:51.48`	`Vailreth`	`i was going to give it lift off and land button copies for next and preivious`
`20:51.57`	`Kalapixie`	`then you could name the marine Radio and have 'Mentally challenged' as his description.`
`20:52.05`	`ShadowTiger`	`well you could use a variable to keep track of when a trigger checks a box and when a player checks a box`
`20:52.23`	`HBHades`	`yah thats what i had to do`
`20:52.48`	`HBHades`	`odd that GE considers a trigger proforming an action a player`
`20:53.03`	`Vailreth`	`i already had map that played Rob Zombie as the terran theme`
`20:53.26`	`Vailreth`	`i should have given it to the zerg since it was SuperBeast`
`20:53.28`	`Skizot_`	`my problem hades is that edit boxes are broken, and list/pulldowns don't scroll`
`20:54.08`	`HBHades`	`Skizot_: ouch....thats a lot of elemts that wont work`
`20:55.51`	`Skizot_`	`sliders are broken too.`
`20:56.05`	`ShadowTiger`	`well at least you have your health`
`20:56.33`	`HBHades`	`lol so we have check-boxes and buttons...`
`20:56.37`	`HBHades`	`thats all`
`20:56.43`	`Skizot_`	`pretty much :(`
`20:56.43`	`Vailreth`	`damn this is some compressoion ratio ...`
`20:56.52`	`ShadowTiger`	`what is it?`
`20:56.58`	`Skizot_`	`and i still haven't figured out how to make dialog buttons press buttons for players`
`20:57.10`	`Vailreth`	`9.25 meg to 1.10 meg ...`
`20:57.12`	`ShadowTiger`	`i know that mpq's can have 60% compression on music/video`
`20:57.19`	`Skizot_`	`i have a button i need to press numpad0`
`20:57.23`	`Skizot_`	`won't work`
`20:57.29`	`ShadowTiger`	`but 90%`
`20:57.31`	`ShadowTiger`	`thats alot`
`20:57.51`	`Vailreth`	`i even have an mp3 thats about 4 meg in this map...`
`20:58.16`	`HBHades`	`what do you expect...the MPQ is the pinacle of blizz tech`
`20:59.03`	`ShadowTiger`	`anyways time to go to work...`
`20:59.38`	`Vailreth`	`ok its not including the mp3 eh well ...`
`21:00.18`	`Kalapixie`	`Alright peeps, I'm going to sleep. My hunger is killing me and I'm trying not to binge myself to death. Night night everyone!`
`21:00.32`	`HBHades`	`nicht`
`21:00.47`	`Vailreth`	`night`
`21:01.24`	`Vailreth`	`what is the size limit they proposed for custom maps on bnet2,0?`
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`21:01.47`	`Corbo`	`woot`
`21:01.51`	`HBHades`	`dont think they have one yet. as far as i can tell`
`21:01.54`	`Corbo`	`finally out of first exams`
`21:02.05`	`Corbo`	`patching`
`21:02.12`	`Corbo`	`and about to try that model thingy`
`21:02.14`	`Vailreth`	`i may have to fire up Psycle and write some music of my own...`
`21:02.20`	`Corbo`	`Who's here that I know?`
`21:02.51`	`HBHades`	`wait bob is that you?`
`21:04.15`	`Alpha_vst`	`<PROTECTED>`
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`21:11.58`	`Clord`	`shall we have who is fastest to activate CD-key? XD`
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`21:12.58`	`Alpha_vst`	`i did that yesterday`
`21:13.12`	`Alpha_vst`	`lol`
`21:13.34`	`Alpha_vst`	`how do i make a timer display the game time`
`21:14.00`	`Barter`	`start a timer at the start of the game`
`21:14.26`	`Barter`	`and show elapsed time instead of remaining`
`21:15.13`	`Alpha_vst`	`lol didnt see that option thanks`
`21:18.08`	`Alpha_vst`	`im taking out ai and adjusting the game by players`
`21:18.11`	`Alpha_vst`	`fuck it lol`
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`21:22.28`	Griffith`	`if you convert Real to Int, does it round automatically`
`21:22.38`	`TheDudeAbides`	`no`
`21:22.46`	`TheDudeAbides`	`it just strips the decimal, as far as i know`
`21:24.20`	`heysparky`	`that's like rounding`
`21:24.34`	`TheDudeAbides`	`more like flooring`
`21:24.35`	`DaveKap_`	`it just rounds down...`
`21:24.38`	`DaveKap_`	`yeah`
`21:25.20`	`Alpha_vst`	`lol`
`21:25.43`	`Alpha_vst`	`sure you can get it to round up with so maths`
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`21:26.36`	`Tysheth`	`truncation`
`21:26.54`	`Tysheth`	`FixedToInt(1.9) returns 1`
`21:27.13`	`Alpha_vst`	`check the real and if more than .5 add 1 to it`
`21:27.26`	`TheDudeAbides`	`there should be a round function`
`21:27.42`	`Alpha_vst`	`it will still round down but it will be it will be right lol`
`21:27.46`	`Elyk`	`does the editor crash every 30 minutes or so for everyone else?`
`21:27.48`	`Alpha_vst`	`yeah`
`21:27.52`	`Alpha_vst`	`nope`
`21:27.57`	`Alpha_vst`	`food time`
`21:27.58`	`Tysheth`	`not for me`
`21:28.15`	`Elyk`	`If I open it.. and just leave it open, it will crash after a certain time`
`21:29.40`	`Lilianna`	`is their a Cieling or Floor function?`
`21:30.53`	`Hati`	`FixedToInt(1.9) returns 1`
`21:30.55`	`Hati`	`so yes`
`21:31.06`	`Lilianna`	`Well that would be just Floor. :x`
`21:31.08`	`Tysheth`	`for numbers or... like... ceilings and floors?`
`21:31.14`	`Hati`	`why you would need flooring`
`21:31.17`	`Hati`	`eh ceiling`
`21:31.21`	`Hati`	`ceiling = floor +0.5`
`21:31.32`	`Lilianna`	`You never know!`
`21:31.54`	`Hati`	`you always know that it is o.O`
`21:32.15`	`Lilianna`	`The SC2 Release Data made me giggle and scratch my head`
`21:32.20`	`TheDudeAbides`	`fixed ceiling(real val) { return floor(val + 0.5); }`
`21:32.21`	`TheDudeAbides`	`bam`
`21:32.46`	`Hati`	`witch!`
`21:32.52`	`Hati`	`math-witch!`
`21:32.58`	`TheDudeAbides`	`yeah`
`21:33.11`	`TheDudeAbides`	`i can make crazy things happen`
`21:33.12`	`Tysheth`	`does SC2's editors have reals?`
`21:33.12`	`TheDudeAbides`	`watch`
`21:33.16`	`Hati`	`yes`
`21:33.18`	`Hati`	`called Fixed`
`21:33.20`	`TheDudeAbides`	`void ruletheworld() { secret(); }`
`21:33.37`	`Tysheth`	`I know about fixed, but`
`21:33.42`	`Tysheth`	`his thingy`
`21:33.46`	`Tysheth`	`fixed ceiling(REAL val) { return floor(val + 0.5); }`
`21:33.46`	`TheDudeAbides`	`lol, that was a typo`
`21:33.49`	`TheDudeAbides`	`meant to be fixed`
`21:33.55`	`Lilianna`	`What I really want to do is move the light and change the shadows at gameplay, that should be possible yes?`
`21:34.01`	`TheDudeAbides`	`im too used of "real", "double" and "float" as types`
`21:34.03`	`TheDudeAbides`	`and not fixed`
`21:34.10`	`Tysheth`	`Lilianna: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9LLr5m85iQ`
`21:34.21`	`Hati`	`void study() { while (1) if (!busy) then party() else sleep() }`
`21:34.23`	`Hati`	`!`
`21:34.27`	`Tysheth`	`not sure if that'll help you, but it is a day/night thing`
`21:34.29`	`Clord`	`there is funny freeze... if unit attacks without proper actor set ups it freezes game but not crash it ;)`
`21:34.33`	`Lilianna`	`I saw that Tysheth, but the tree shadow stays the same direction`
`21:35.01`	`TheDudeAbides`	`foreach(second; life) { waste(second); }`
`21:35.03`	`TheDudeAbides`	`:D`
`21:35.21`	`Tysheth`	`ah, but perhaps you can make new lights in the trigger editor`
`21:35.23`	`heysparky`	`Lilianna, yes possible`
`21:35.26`	`Clord`	`Clord has not been playing games days because Clord has been mapping`
`21:35.33`	`Clord`	`ugh`
`21:35.41`	`heysparky`	`I don't know if it's the best way, but you can create a new light set`
`21:35.44`	`Lilianna`	`I was working on making a sundial for the clock contest. >.>`
`21:35.48`	`Clord`	`oh I have played bit but you get idea`
`21:35.49`	`Clord`	`XD`
`21:35.51`	`heysparky`	`copy and paste your base set onto it`
`21:35.52`	`Lilianna`	`I will have to look at it more when I'm not doing real work`
`21:36.09`	`heysparky`	`adjust the position (don't recall which tab)`
`21:36.23`	`heysparky`	`and then in triggers you can transition to it`
`21:36.36`	`Lilianna`	`Kay, I will look into it. :)`
`21:36.43`	`Tysheth`	`hey, I found my old userbar for SC2 I made in 2007`
`21:36.46`	`Tysheth`	`http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b138/Epfinas/SC-UB-anim.gif`
`21:36.47`	`heysparky`	`if you have any questions when you do, holler`
`21:36.55`	`Clord`	`you guys are in trance`
`21:37.04`	`Lilianna`	`Will do`
`21:37.07`	`AgentPaper`	`how many minerals does a normal melee map have at each expansion?`
`21:37.09`	`AgentPaper`	`7?`
`21:37.17`	`Tysheth`	`8 patches`
`21:37.20`	`AgentPaper`	`ah, ty`
`21:37.45`	`Clord`	`that does not mean your melee map must obey every silly rule`
`21:37.50`	`Clord`	`try experimenting ^^`
`21:38.06`	`Tysheth`	`24 workers to fully mine a standard base, 3 workers per patch = 8 patches`
`21:38.15`	`Hati`	`oo`
`21:38.25`	`AgentPaper`	`I'm not making a melee map`
`21:38.33`	`AgentPaper`	`or rather, I guess I kinda am, but it's turn-based`
`21:38.34`	`AgentPaper`	`;)`
`21:38.41`	`TheLaughingMan`	`Phew`
`21:38.49`	`Clord`	`map where there is only 4 batches of minerals and then center with 12 batches of minerals ^^`
`21:38.49`	`AgentPaper`	`not even sure how I'm going to handle resources, to be honest`
`21:38.50`	`Clord`	`hmmm`
`21:38.52`	`TheLaughingMan`	`Sixen`
`21:39.03`	`Lilianna`	`I liked the RPRTS Maps in SC1, where Gas was like a level up resource`
`21:39.23`	`AgentPaper`	`rprts?`
`21:39.28`	`AgentPaper`	`lol`
`21:39.34`	`Lilianna`	`It was liek RPG RTS`
`21:39.37`	`Lilianna`	`or something`
`21:39.41`	`Lilianna`	`you gained exp for fighting`
`21:39.46`	`AgentPaper`	`so what, you level up your units?`
`21:39.47`	`Lilianna`	`which earned you more gas`
`21:39.47`	`Tysheth`	`measure the period of a worker turning in minerals`
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`21:39.56`	`Lilianna`	`and you need more gas to buy better units`
`21:40.02`	`Clord`	`simple... fighting = gas... gas = you can use it`
`21:40.04`	`AgentPaper`	`huh`
`21:40.06`	`AgentPaper`	`weird`
`21:40.14`	`AgentPaper`	`but interesting`
`21:40.20`	`Lilianna`	`Like level one you have 1 gas max, and it regens every 15 seconds`
`21:40.24`	`Lilianna`	`level 2 you get 2 gas`
`21:40.30`	`Lilianna`	`so you can now buy a 2 gas unit`
`21:40.31`	`Clord`	`I think that is quite standard stuff with capturable structures what generate resources`
`21:41.08`	`Clord`	`for example in one of my SCII maps there is center structures what is captured via damaging and generate vespene gas....`
`21:41.13`	`Clord`	`it can be used for nukes`
`21:42.08`	`Clord`	`basically who from four teams control the center eventually with iron grip... controls the victory pretty much if uses nukes right`
`21:42.32`	`Tysheth`	`ah! that's a game that needs to return from SC1! NUKE THE WHALE`
`21:42.57`	`Lilianna`	`I was thinking there should be a Nuke dodge map`
`21:43.01`	`Lilianna`	`where you get the old Time warp`
`21:43.04`	`Clord`	`you sank my battleship`
`21:43.06`	`Lilianna`	`to absorb nukes sometimes`
`21:43.14`	`AgentPaper`	`so which is safer to use, game time or real time?`
`21:43.35`	`Tysheth`	`game time makes sure your timer is consistent`
`21:43.36`	`Clord`	`SCII galaxy editor would probably be rather effective to do battleship map where players take turns hitting random areas with nukes`
`21:43.37`	`AgentPaper`	`is game time safer but less accurate, while real time is more accurate but can cause timeouts?`
`21:43.43`	`Tysheth`	`if the game gets paused, real time continues ticking`
`21:43.47`	`AgentPaper`	`ah`
`21:43.50`	`Tysheth`	`if the game speed is set differently, real time doesn't change`
`21:43.50`	`AgentPaper`	`interesting`
`21:43.58`	`AgentPaper`	`really`
`21:44.27`	`AgentPaper`	`what's AI time?`
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`21:44.32`	`Tysheth`	`dunno :(`
`21:44.39`	`Tysheth`	`it might have something to do with AI difficulty`
`21:44.46`	`Tysheth`	`'cuz like, higher difficulties have higher APM`
`21:44.51`	`Clord`	`or how long AI has been running`
`21:45.01`	`Clord`	`whatever`
`21:45.09`	`Clord`	`default AI APM is 200`
`21:45.11`	`AgentPaper`	`guess we don't really know much about the AI yet`
`21:45.21`	`Clord`	`at least it suggest that typically`
`21:45.21`	`AgentPaper`	`AI uses APM?`
`21:45.25`	`Clord`	`yeah`
`21:45.29`	`Clord`	`it is configurable limit`
`21:45.31`	`Clord`	`via trigger`
`21:45.35`	`Tysheth`	`or data editor`
`21:45.36`	`AgentPaper`	`that's cool`
`21:45.42`	`Tysheth`	`go into the ai difficulty data type... thing`
`21:45.44`	`Clord`	`also melee AI uses that`
`21:45.52`	`Clord`	`they are made dumber via less APM`
`21:45.58`	`Clord`	`based to difficulty`
`21:45.59`	`AgentPaper`	`so you could "pause" the AI by reducing its APM to 0 or something`
`21:46.01`	`s1dd`	`does anybody know the best way to make a windwalk style spell? i tried making one earlier but it was really clunky, wondering if anyone has already made one so i can look at it :s`
`21:46.01`	`AgentPaper`	`hm`
`21:46.08`	`Tysheth`	`I'm gonna do my last placement match then go touch people, so bye`
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`21:46.29`	`Tysheth`	`sldd: make an ability that applies a behavior that cloaks the unit and buffs its speed`
`21:46.41`	`Clord`	`there is trigger to pause AI if I remember right`
`21:46.42`	Griffith`	`is it possible to add an ability to every unit using triggers (ie. without having to manually add ability and command cards for every unit manually via data editor)`
`21:47.03`	`s1dd`	`thanks tysheth`
`21:47.09`	`AgentPaper`	`you could add it to units that are created`
`21:47.14`	`Tysheth`	I haven't found out how, Griffith`, but you can add a requirement to the ability that hides it if not met
`21:47.21`	`AgentPaper`	`like, event unit created, add ability to triggering unit`
`21:47.40`	`Tysheth`	`is there an add ability function? I didn't see it`
`21:47.48`	`AgentPaper`	`pretty sure I've seen it`
`21:47.49`	`Tysheth`	`just enable/disable and show/hide`
`21:47.54`	`Clord`	`I have ended up figuring tons of galaxy editor stuff by myself because it is sometimes very hard to get answer ;)`
`21:47.55`	`Clord`	`lol`
`21:48.03`	`Clord`	`like how to show minimap after hiding game UI`
`21:48.04`	`Clord`	`XD`
`21:48.31`	`Tysheth`	`anyway, placement match, touching people, bye`
`21:48.54`	`Clord`	`then again... usually when I ask tricky question almost nobody has answer lol`
`21:49.01`	`Clord`	`they have not tried something like it yet`
`21:49.23`	`AgentPaper`	`hm, guess there's no explicit "add ability", but you could try seeing if "set level of ability" or "activate ability" does it`
`21:49.28`	Griffith`	`AgentPaper, you can add behaviour but I haven't found add ability`
`21:49.31`	Griffith`	`I've tried enable ability`
`21:49.34`	Griffith`	`but it doesn't work`
`21:50.01`	`Legick`	`probably something blizzard will add in future patechs`
`21:50.06`	`AgentPaper`	`what about setting the ability level`
`21:50.23`	`AgentPaper`	`Change Level for Unit Ability`
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`21:51.32`	Griffith`	`AgentPaper, no dice`
`21:51.35`	Griffith`	`zzz`
`21:51.42`	Griffith`	`now i have no manually attach the ability to every unit`
`21:51.48`	`NeoDeathXp`	`Anyone know how to bank hero items?`
`21:52.37`	`s1dd`	`well that was too simple`
`21:52.44`	`s1dd`	`i feel like an idiot now, thanks tysheth :P`
`21:53.41`	`Clord`	`Tysheth is in another castle`
`21:53.47`	`s1dd`	`aw :(`
`21:54.15`	Griffith`	`how do you initially disable an ability`
`21:54.16`	`Clord`	`Mario who solo owns entire armies and castles is beliavable character`
`21:54.54`	`Clord`	`disabling ability is easy`
`21:54.59`	`Clord`	`there is trigger for that`
`21:55.02`	`Clord`	`disable that button`
`21:55.18`	`Clord`	`you disable button and there is no access to ability via interface or hotkey`
`21:55.30`	`s1dd`	`can anyone explain duration bonus maximum or minimum? theres no tooltip`
`21:55.30`	Griffith`	`well i just used a bullshit requirement`
`21:55.38`	Griffith`	`like need spawning pool`
`21:55.39`	Griffith`	`lol`
`21:56.02`	`Vailreth`	`i am trying to make a marine drop ability out of a duplicated calldownmule but i cant make it fire on a target`
`21:56.05`	`Clord`	`lol triggered works bit better.... and it not give odd requirement to user`
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`21:57.34`	Griffith`	`well`
`21:57.35`	Griffith`	`i finished`
`21:57.36`	Griffith`	`making`
`21:57.37`	Griffith`	`Harbinger`
`21:57.44`	Griffith`	`he even says things like "Assuming Control"`
`21:57.48`	Griffith`	`imported from ME2`
`22:01.02`	`Zoxc-`	`haha`
`22:01.06`	`Zoxc-`	`I hated that thing`
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`22:02.32`	`nicoli_s`	`hey Zoxc, got a link to the updated mapinfo struct?`
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`22:03.55`	`Alpha_vst`	`i cant get my timer to work :(`
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`22:04.09`	`Wiz10011`	`Yo`
`22:04.52`	`Zoxc-`	`http://pastebin.com/rzUgumQG`
`22:05.24`	`nicoli_s`	`thx you rock`
`22:05.37`	`nicoli_s`	`gonna spend some time today or tom getting MWE handling sc2maps`
`22:05.47`	`Alpha_vst`	`how do i make my timer work QQ`
`22:07.43`	`Reactorex`	`Hiii... could I, per haps, receive some minor assistance with creating a function that confuses me? >_>`
`22:08.00`	`Reactorex`	`I took someone's advice on adding behaviors to add armor to a unit...`
`22:08.11`	`Reactorex`	`I have it as a +1 and -1 behavior to set armor...`
`22:08.22`	`Reactorex`	`I added a few too many and the game crashed.`
`22:08.25`	`Repo`	`New map: http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/zone-control/. Zone Control. stewie-Y (Manager/Author). Approved by sanktanglia.`
`22:09.23`	`Reactorex`	`I wanted to change it to add behaviors using a 1 2 4 8 16 32 64 128 thing, but I can't think of how to do it without continually adding more and more behaviors without removing them to decrease or go into negatives.`
`22:09.55`	`Reactorex`	`I got a mindfuck trying to think about it. ._.`
`22:10.28`	`s1dd`	`is it a bug that you can "push" an archon warp`
`22:10.46`	`Reactorex`	`I saw that, too! I don't know. :O`
`22:10.55`	`Reactorex`	`I had, like, 8 archons. The one in the middle was warping.`
`22:10.58`	`Reactorex`	`It moveded.`
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`22:11.18`	`s1dd`	`yeah i did it in a ladder a few days ago`
`22:11.21`	`s1dd`	`and i just remembered`
`22:11.21`	`Tysheth`	`I placed bronze D:`
`22:11.50`	`Tysheth`	`does division rank matter where I'm placed?`
`22:12.02`	`s1dd`	`wait wut`
`22:12.05`	`Tysheth`	`I got placed at rank 2 bronze, but I don't know if that's any different from being placed rank 99 bronze`
`22:12.41`	`Tysheth`	`k D:`
`22:12.42`	`s1dd`	`well`
`22:12.47`	`s1dd`	`that means you are placed in a new lague`
`22:12.48`	Griffith`	`Under events, for things like "At Caster", "At Target" , are these conditions?`
`22:12.52`	`s1dd`	`im guessing you're one of 2 in your league?`
`22:13.33`	`Reactorex`	`I'd assume "At Caster" means a reference to a unit that's casting a spell when you run an event for something casting a spell..`
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`22:13.39`	`s1dd`	`i almost pushed a hellion across the map`
`22:13.40`	`Reactorex`	`Target would be the target of the aforementioned spell.`
`22:13.55`	`Reactorex`	`Or probably any issued order using a target, for that matter.`
`22:14.04`	`Reactorex`	`I haven't used either, though. No reason for me to in my map.`
`22:15.23`	`Sholdak`	`CatalogFieldValueGet / Set tutorial up`
`22:15.51`	`Reactorex`	`Any patch for the "Maximum Shields" bug in sight?`
`22:21.08`	Griffith`	`What is Z offset for playing sound at a point?`
`22:21.53`	`Alpha_vst`	`height?`
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`22:28.36`	`Reactorex`	`Griffith, I believe, like in WoW, some sounds originate from a point.`
`22:28.44`	`Reactorex`	`The farther your camera away from it is, the quieter it is.`
`22:29.00`	`Reactorex`	`For Z-offset, if your camera gets zoomed out farther, its distance is farther from the sound.`
`22:29.14`	`Reactorex`	`That's where the Z-offset 3-dimensional distance comes into play.`
`22:29.20`	`Reactorex`	`It's not a 2D sound origin.`
`22:29.25`	`Reactorex`	`Though, I think there might be an option for that.`
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`22:43.18`	`Bemoliph`	`Yeah, 3D Sounds are simulated as coming from a point in the world, where 2D sounds would just be played at full volume through all speakers (As in, Interface Sounds)`
`22:43.48`	`Bemoliph`	`(Or potentially voiceovers, depending on the presentation)`
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`23:02.27`	`Crazafied`	`Is their anyway with mouse look mode to not allow the camera to drop through the floor?`
`23:02.47`	`Truhan`	`how does i modified a unit's xp/stats through triggers?`
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`23:03.48`	`Reves`	`Hello all`
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`23:13.05`	`Reactorex`	`Probably, Crazafied.`
`23:13.14`	`NeoDeathXp`	`ugh`
`23:13.16`	`Reactorex`	`One way is to have it so that the camera is closer than it is high.`
`23:13.44`	`Legick`	`ok so the actors from this unit are complety completely wrong, it's not making sound and has no projectile, anyone know where i can modify which actors the unit uses?`
`23:13.46`	`Reactorex`	`Another way is to do a periodic check and make sure that their pitch (I think that's the one) is greater than a certain angle based on your camera's height.`
`23:14.08`	`Reactorex`	`Legick, you modify which actors the unit uses from the actors.`
`23:14.20`	`Reactorex`	`You specify which units use the actor in question under the actors tab of the data editor.`
`23:14.34`	`Reactorex`	`If you don't have the tab open, just open it from the drop-down list.`
`23:14.44`	`Legick`	`ahh alright`
`23:14.48`	`Hati\|NotHere`	`Sholdak: there?`
`23:14.50`	`Legick`	`guess that just didn't click in my mind`
`23:14.57`	`Reactorex`	`I don't quite understand it, but that's how it works.`
`23:15.19`	`Legick`	`it seems a little backwards to me`
`23:15.23`	`Hati`	`nvm`
`23:15.23`	`Legick`	`i didn't even think of doing that`
`23:15.28`	`Reactorex`	`I think it would make more sense to choose which actors a unit has rather than choose which units an actor is applied to.`
`23:15.28`	`NeoDeathXp`	`anyone know why when i bank a hero, then close the map, re-open it i cannot reload the hero. it keps telling me it cannot load from back but i open the bank, on load. I know the bank is there because i can save to it. is this a bug or something?`
`23:15.52`	`Reactorex`	`However, it does make a few things easier this way.`
`23:16.20`	`Reactorex`	`Neo, ask it to list all data from your bank when you open it.`
`23:16.22`	`Reactorex`	`If you can.`
`23:16.28`	`Dustin`	`Heyyaa`
`23:16.34`	`Legick`	`another one of those sacrifice user friendliness for better functionality kind of things`
`23:16.34`	`Reactorex`	`Just to make sure that there's something in there.`
`23:17.01`	`Reactorex`	`Here's another better functionality kind of thing:`
`23:17.14`	`Reactorex`	`Did you know that you can select multiple rows in the data editor and compare them or modify them side-by-side?`
`23:17.26`	`BarakatX2`	`yeah its awesome`
`23:17.27`	`NeoDeathXp`	`Rectorex: hum can i just debug that?`
`23:17.31`	`Legick`	`i did not`
`23:17.34`	`Reactorex`	`Only with properties, as far as I know. Not multiple units.`
`23:17.40`	`BarakatX2`	`makes it so much easier to modify a duplicated unit`
`23:17.44`	`Reactorex`	`Helped me a hell of a lot.`
`23:17.55`	`BarakatX2`	`you can do multiple units`
`23:17.58`	`Legick`	`actually how would i do that i think that would be rather helpful for me currently`
`23:18.00`	`Reactorex`	`NeoDeath: Probably.`
`23:18.08`	`Reactorex`	`I've had to do that to a lot of my functions and dialogs so far.`
`23:18.18`	`BarakatX2`	`ctrl or shift click the units`
`23:18.24`	`Reactorex`	`I've got at least 50 debug message actions that are turned to do not display at the moment.`
`23:18.42`	`Reactorex`	`.Not even just that, Bara.`
`23:18.50`	`Reactorex`	`You can click one and drag down or up to select multiple.`
`23:19.00`	`Reactorex`	`So you don't need ctrl or shift to select values that are adjacent.`
`23:19.24`	`s1dd`	`still getting used to galaxy editor from war3, how would i add an animation to the target in a spell like sniper round`
`23:19.38`	`Reactorex`	`Just click and drag adjacent values to select them. Ctrl for values that are farther apart with data between them. Shift for ones that might go out of your range of visibility in the editor.`
`23:19.57`	`BarakatX2`	`yeah i know im just saying you can do multiple units`
`23:20.03`	`Reactorex`	`In response to something, s1dd?`
`23:20.09`	`Reactorex`	`Oh, cool. Didn't know that one, Bara. :P`
`23:20.19`	`Reactorex`	`I only caught HALF of your message.`
`23:20.25`	`s1dd`	`no that was my whole message`
`23:20.25`	`Legick`	`actually i think i just figured out what you're asking s1dd by accident`
`23:20.27`	`Reactorex`	`I didn't see "units" in there. xD`
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`23:20.28`	`s1dd`	`haha`
`23:20.31`	`Legick`	`from what i see you have to edit the actor`
`23:20.33`	`BarakatX2`	`yeah its really useful when you want to figure out how to make one unit do something another unit is doing`
`23:20.47`	`s1dd`	`so would i add the actor to the ability? if so how would i do that`
`23:20.47`	`BarakatX2`	`or actor`
`23:20.55`	`Reactorex`	`Anyways, I need to get a meal then back to my action...`
`23:20.57`	`Reactorex`	`This is a mindfuck.`
`23:20.58`	`Reactorex`	`._.`
`23:21.14`	`NeoDeathXp`	`the hero is in the XML file`
`23:21.16`	`Legick`	`dunno still trying to figure that out myself, but i found the area you do it i think`
`23:21.36`	`s1dd`	`i.e. i want the emp effect to show up when i snipe something`
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`23:21.54`	Griffith`	`does anyone konw where to find a tutorial for actor events +`
`23:21.59`	Griffith`	`it seems so convoluted to me`
`23:23.32`	`s1dd`	`Legick, what area`
`23:24.49`	`Legick`	`oh sorry`
`23:25.56`	`Legick`	`i found where to add a sound to it :( not an effect`
`23:28.58`	`Legick`	`actually maybe i found it`
`23:29.32`	`Legick`	`when clicking on the actor for the missile effect ( like the sniper bullet or whatever) up where it says token there's something called an impact effect`
`23:29.39`	`Legick`	`i think you may need to change that or something`
`23:31.17`	`Hati`	`infested terrans do harakiri if they expire o.O`
`23:32.05`	`Xenothral`	`That sounds like fun`
`23:32.13`	`228zip	`Hati: I'm guessing the terran takes control again and decides to suicide`
`23:33.40`	`228zip	`rebb, you there ?`
`23:34.02`	`228zip	`~seen rebb`
`23:34.06`	`purl`	`rebb <~d9557faa@gateway/web/freenode/x-sxabyxdtgavhiokr> was last seen on IRC in channel #sc2mapster, 3h 54m 31s ago, saying: 'ah i see, thought it would be something that randomly chooses from the popular ones'.`
`23:34.26`	`Hati`	`~purl`
`23:34.27`	`purl`	`rumour has it, purl is a piece of very bad coding.`
`23:34.46`	`Xenothral`	`Haha`
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`23:34.54`	`Hati`	`~8ball`
`23:34.55`	`purl`	`ACTION rolls the eight ball and gets: Yes - definitely`
`23:34.59`	Griffith`	`i gave up creating fancy effects using the data editor`
`23:35.02`	Griffith`	`gonna trigger whore`
`23:35.03`	Griffith`	`everything`
`23:35.09`	`Hati`	`...`
`23:35.11`	`228zip	`TRIGGAZ`
`23:35.18`	`Xenothral`	`Triggers are where the real fun is`
`23:35.21`	`Xenothral`	`But only sometimes`
`23:35.33`	`228zip	`Sometimes ? all the times!`
`23:35.38`	`Hati`	`Real stuff is done without triggers :o`
`23:35.47`	`228zip	`Yet I'm real stuff`
`23:35.52`	`Xenothral`	`But fun stuff is done with triggers! :D`
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`23:36.20`	`228zip	`It's crazy when you think about it.`
`23:36.36`	`Alpha_vst`	`lol`
`23:36.45`	`228zip	`In wc3 we were limited to wc3-ish gameplay, so they improved the data editor because of that.`
`23:37.05`	`228zip	`But now we can do all sorts of crazy things, yet coding has become more difficult.`
`23:37.16`	`BarakatX2`	`i think being able to do most things with the data editor rather than triggers is awesome`
`23:37.17`	`Alpha_vst`	`thats what you tade off on`
`23:37.30`	`228zip	`I wasn't asked anything`
`23:37.41`	`Xenothral`	`The coding is pretty simple once you learn it though`
`23:37.51`	`Xenothral`	`I still have lots to learn about it, but I know a little xD`
`23:37.56`	`Legick`	`can i just have a unit copy the actors of another unit?`
`23:37.57`	`Alpha_vst`	`its all not hard once you know what yoru doing`
`23:37.59`	`228zip	`Yes, but it is a pain to reimport every script every time`
`23:38.05`	`BarakatX2`	`galaxy is easier than jass for me because i dont hate C :P`
`23:38.25`	`Alpha_vst`	`i have not touched galaxy yet i dont even want to`
`23:38.40`	`BarakatX2`	`do you know C`
`23:38.46`	`228zip	`if (JASS < Galaxy) then`
`23:38.59`	`228zip	`call BJDebugMsg("Jass sucks")`
`23:39.01`	`228zip	`endif`
`23:39.05`	`Xenothral`	`I started with Java, and am now learning C along with Galaxy, little bits at a time.`
`23:39.43`	`228zip	`; are driving me crazy`
`23:39.45`	`BarakatX2`	`i barely did anything with worldedit so i dont know what jass was capable of`
`23:40.04`	`BarakatX2`	`all i know is i read some jass libraries and decided i didnt want to use it lol`
`23:40.08`	`Xenothral`	`; are brilliant if you enjoy coding! :D`
`23:40.31`	`228zip	`I am rarely putting more than one ; on a single line`
`23:40.46`	`228zip	`So they're just more syntax errors`
`23:40.52`	`BarakatX2`	`lol`
`23:40.59`	`Alpha_vst`	`i dont know c never learned it`
`23:41.12`	`Xenothral`	`Never learn till you try!`
`23:41.29`	`Alpha_vst`	`i will work on learning the data editor first lol`
`23:41.42`	`Legick`	`on my object explorer it's showing all the actors multiple times like from the copies and stuff, might that be the reason the actors are all wrong for my unit?`
`23:41.53`	`Alpha_vst`	`yeah`
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`23:42.17`	`Alpha_vst`	`clean it out and start new`
`23:42.24`	`Xenothral`	`Yeah learning the data editor first might be a good idea xD`
`23:42.41`	`Xenothral`	`I already had a little previous experience with C, not much but I did. lol`
`23:42.42`	`Legick`	`yeah i'm just going to purge this unit and just do it over`
`23:42.45`	`Legick`	`this is getting ridiculous`
`23:43.08`	`Alpha_vst`	`go through all your data fields and clean out the copys`
`23:43.27`	`Elyk`	`Ok, does anyone if its possible to make it so that using an ability in a submenu leaves you in that submenu of the command card? Or is there a way to create a command that does the last command executed?`
`23:52.14`	`Reves`	`Anyone know of a fast way to share Trigger and Map Data from person to person. IE: How to make .SC2MOD files? or any other methods?`
`23:54.10`	`Legick`	`when you place a doodad for example a building blocker right next to a cliff will the effect of it reach up the cliff or is it just limited to that height?`
`23:55.02`	`TheLaughingMan`	`Blarg`
`23:55.37`	`Shard_`	`You can export triggers to a library`
`23:59.29`	`TheLaughingMan`	`That just wants to make me barf`

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