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| 01:02.24 | Bifuu | its weird hearing Robin Williams drop the F bomb |
| 01:03.21 | Alevice | heh |
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| 01:11.26 | Chonks | hey again |
| 01:12.06 | Chonks | noone here? |
| 01:12.18 | JademusSreg | (Working on cabinets.) |
| 01:21.41 | Bifuu | actually talking on IRC is overrated |
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| 01:36.55 | Bifuu | maybe i should man up and try some 1s later |
| 01:37.19 | Alevice | hmmm? |
| 01:37.51 | Bifuu | singles on the ladder |
| 01:37.58 | Bifuu | after the reset all ive done was 2s with people |
| 01:42.17 | Alevice | ah |
| 01:42.23 | gregv21 | hi |
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| 01:51.15 | Alevice | yp vjeux |
| 01:51.23 | Alevice | chek the damn thread |
| 01:51.25 | vjeux | yp as |
| 01:51.27 | vjeux | Alevice: |
| 01:51.29 | Alevice | yo* |
| 01:51.44 | vjeux | thanks for the map bmz |
| 01:51.44 | vjeux | ,. |
| 01:51.50 | vjeux | grrr, fucking lame keyboard |
| 01:52.02 | Alevice | haha |
| 01:52.14 | Alevice | it aint a map tho |
| 01:52.37 | Alevice | and it still needs a little documentation |
| 01:52.46 | Alevice | but at least you can get to try it out and provide input |
| 01:52.59 | Alevice | as in hey, maybe you should fix that |
| 01:53.06 | Alevice | and hey how about this |
| 01:53.15 | Alevice | and you could mention that |
| 01:54.03 | vjeux | lol |
| 01:54.10 | vjeux | am i not the only one drunk P |
| 01:54.10 | vjeux | 10p |
| 01:54.12 | vjeux | ggggggbm |
| 01:54.13 | Alevice | btw, if you downloaded it within the past 5 mins, please redownload |
| 01:54.14 | vjeux | grrr |
| 01:54.17 | Alevice | i updated the link with a fix |
| 01:54.25 | Alevice | hahah |
| 01:54.31 | Alevice | beer spilled on keyboard? |
| 01:54.33 | vjeux | ok, the shift key of that keyboard is completly fucked up ... it prints random characters |
| 01:54.38 | vjeux | bmz |
| 01:54.39 | Alevice | awesome |
| 01:55.06 | vjeux | most probably vodka than beer |
| 01:55.22 | Alevice | man, I am craving for some vodka. but i need to save cash |
| 01:55.28 | vjeux | lol |
| 01:55.40 | vjeux | got about 10 litres of alcool in my table bm |
| 01:55.40 | vjeux | ,.p |
| 01:55.49 | vjeux | ok ... i'm stopping using the shift key |
| 01:56.03 | Alevice | 10 ltrs? damn man, you dropped how many bottles here? |
| 01:56.43 | vjeux | you ask people to bring drinks, and of course no one can drink a full litre ... so there are some left |
| 01:57.11 | Alevice | yeah man but you cant just drop all that shit on a single keyboard dammit |
| 01:57.13 | Alevice | what the fuck |
| 01:57.17 | vjeux | xbm |
| 01:57.17 | vjeux | .bm |
| 01:57.19 | vjeux | .grrr |
| 01:57.22 | Alevice | hah |
| 01:57.23 | PixelWarrior | morning |
| 01:57.28 | vjeux | hey bm |
| 01:57.29 | vjeux | ,.bmz |
| 01:57.30 | vjeux | grrr |
| 01:57.40 | Alevice | hahaha |
| 01:57.53 | PixelWarrior | anything awesome happen during my sleep? |
| 01:58.04 | vjeux | its 4 am ... i'm like sixen |
| 01:58.16 | PixelWarrior | lol and i just got up |
| 01:58.18 | PixelWarrior | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrh7_ZsLD2A |
| 01:58.26 | PixelWarrior | theres the vid |
| 02:00.44 | Alevice | that contra mmap puts my mod to shame :( |
| 02:00.57 | vjeux | ok ... you are really kiting the mobs for 2 minutes |
| 02:00.59 | vjeux | that was not a joke |
| 02:01.13 | PixelWarrior | yeah |
| 02:01.18 | PixelWarrior | its the only way to play the game |
| 02:01.20 | PixelWarrior | lol |
| 02:01.24 | vjeux | xd |
| 02:01.25 | PixelWarrior | u cant tank that shit |
| 02:01.41 | vjeux | going to post that tomorrow, i'm too dead right now |
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| 02:03.09 | vjeux | we need to make something special |
| 02:06.00 | Alevice | hmm |
| 02:06.03 | Alevice | ? |
| 02:06.40 | PixelWarrior | what do u meant |
| 02:06.48 | vjeux | to make fame for sc2mapster |
| 02:06.59 | PixelWarrior | oh lol |
| 02:07.20 | Zoxc | rename it to freeipodsandsc2stuff.com |
| 02:07.26 | PixelWarrior | id kinda wait for galaxy editor |
| 02:07.28 | vjeux | lol |
| 02:07.41 | Alevice | Zoxc, you means freedipadsandsc2stuff.com |
| 02:07.47 | Zoxc | right |
| 02:08.10 | Zoxc | but, you don't have any ipads to give away do you? =P |
| 02:08.20 | PixelWarrior | but thats the whole point! |
| 02:08.22 | PixelWarrior | no one does |
| 02:08.27 | PixelWarrior | so ppl will flock to us |
| 02:08.32 | Alevice | yeah, let's wait for the editor. I mean, this shit is damned cool and such, and learning it will actually get us quite a head start, but in order to make really good stuff, we need full api and terrain editor |
| 02:08.56 | Zoxc | is writing compilerz |
| 02:09.06 | vjeux | clearly |
| 02:09.19 | vjeux | we need to forsee the future |
| 02:10.11 | PixelWarrior | well i have a plan for a dota + eots + av map. been working on the idea with my mates |
| 02:10.45 | PixelWarrior | so im trying to reproduce the competitiveness of dota, but at the same time a new game |
| 02:11.25 | PixelWarrior | and last night after i said i didnt like the premium maps idea. i thought we could really take advantage of that with campaign style maps |
| 02:11.47 | vjeux | lol we've got 2 visits from ipad |
| 02:12.29 | PixelWarrior | for example, goal of the game is to kill the lich king with ur band of friends, u make a free version of the game with limited availability of items and only half the bosses |
| 02:12.53 | PixelWarrior | which might entice players to buy the full game if they wanna finish the entire campaign |
| 02:13.40 | PixelWarrior | i think thats how all the higher priced iphone games work |
| 02:14.12 | PixelWarrior | or u just have small arcade type games for $0.99 a pop |
| 02:17.21 | Kaelten | anyone have an extra beta key? |
| 02:17.47 | PixelWarrior | dont have one myself |
| 02:17.50 | Kaelten | hehe |
| 02:18.11 | JademusSreg | Categorically speaking, DotA is an AoS, not a genre by itself. |
| 02:18.30 | Kaelten | AoS? |
| 02:18.35 | PixelWarrior | aoen of strife |
| 02:18.38 | PixelWarrior | *seon |
| 02:18.39 | JademusSreg | Aye. |
| 02:18.40 | PixelWarrior | *aeon |
| 02:18.43 | PixelWarrior | -.- |
| 02:18.46 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 02:18.52 | PixelWarrior | so... aos is the category? |
| 02:18.57 | JademusSreg | Yes. |
| 02:18.59 | PixelWarrior | ok |
| 02:19.05 | Zoxc | AoS is a map too :D |
| 02:19.11 | JademusSreg | Hehheh, yeah. |
| 02:19.16 | JademusSreg | Hence the name for the genre. |
| 02:19.43 | JademusSreg | In fact, it would be even better to make Aeon of Strife again. |
| 02:19.49 | Zoxc | The only AoS I like is Battleships :/ |
| 02:20.01 | JademusSreg | For old-time's sake. |
| 02:20.04 | Zoxc | hopes there is a phoenix fire ability in SC2 |
| 02:20.23 | JademusSreg | Seems like it would be pretty easy to create, Zoxc. |
| 02:20.25 | PixelWarrior | battleships? in wc3? thats also a aos? |
| 02:20.30 | Zoxc | yes |
| 02:20.46 | PixelWarrior | ok, so all those maps like... battle tanks |
| 02:21.12 | JademusSreg | Use either a behavior or a turret. I'd go with a behavior for the more elegent implementation. |
| 02:21.13 | PixelWarrior | what about BvO? does that count too? |
| 02:21.14 | Zoxc | you control a hero, there is spawns and a path to a building you need to destroy :) |
| 02:21.41 | PixelWarrior | BvO is more arena then |
| 02:22.40 | JademusSreg | What were those other acronyms you mentioned? |
| 02:22.45 | JademusSreg | eots and av? |
| 02:22.52 | PixelWarrior | eots = eye of the storm |
| 02:22.57 | PixelWarrior | av = alterac valley |
| 02:23.01 | PixelWarrior | theyre from wow |
| 02:23.08 | JademusSreg | Ah. |
| 02:23.23 | JademusSreg | That explains why they both sound familiar and I don't know what they are. |
| 02:23.31 | PixelWarrior | havent played? |
| 02:23.44 | JademusSreg | I used to play a level ~40 Forsaken Warlock. |
| 02:23.53 | JademusSreg | As in, that's as far as I got. |
| 02:23.57 | PixelWarrior | lol |
| 02:24.06 | PixelWarrior | fair enough |
| 02:24.09 | Zoxc | wants to remake OD in SC2 :) |
| 02:24.14 | JademusSreg | Because then I got existential about it. |
| 02:24.18 | PixelWarrior | whats OD? |
| 02:24.20 | JademusSreg | Obisidan Depths. |
| 02:24.25 | JademusSreg | Obsidian |
| 02:24.29 | PixelWarrior | never played it |
| 02:24.36 | JademusSreg | It's a dungeon crawler. |
| 02:24.46 | Zoxc | wonders how that would be sci-fi |
| 02:24.49 | JademusSreg | For wc3. |
| 02:24.52 | PixelWarrior | looks coolo |
| 02:24.54 | JademusSreg | I wonder as well. |
| 02:25.13 | JademusSreg | Considering all the attributes can be natively supported now. |
| 02:25.23 | Zoxc | wonders if Dusk will get SC2 and not make AoSes |
| 02:25.35 | Zoxc | how does attributes in SC2 work? |
| 02:25.38 | JademusSreg | has no idea. |
| 02:25.41 | PixelWarrior | anything u want |
| 02:25.48 | JademusSreg | I'll show you Levi's implementation. |
| 02:25.48 | PixelWarrior | u can make ur own hero attributes... |
| 02:25.53 | PixelWarrior | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:26.10 | Zoxc | http://www.wc3c.net/showthread.php?t=96383 |
| 02:26.26 | PixelWarrior | thats obsidian depths |
| 02:26.26 | JademusSreg | <CBehaviorAttribute id="Strength"> |
| 02:26.26 | JademusSreg | <Modification> |
| 02:26.26 | JademusSreg | <VitalMaxArray index="Life" value="25"/> |
| 02:26.27 | JademusSreg | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:26.27 | JademusSreg | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:26.27 | JademusSreg | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:26.29 | JademusSreg | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:26.33 | JademusSreg | <Modification> |
| 02:26.35 | JademusSreg | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:26.37 | JademusSreg | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:26.39 | JademusSreg | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:26.41 | JademusSreg | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:26.43 | JademusSreg | <Modification> |
| 02:26.45 | JademusSreg | <VitalMaxArray index="Shields" value="25"/> |
| 02:26.47 | JademusSreg | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:26.49 | JademusSreg | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:26.51 | JademusSreg | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:26.53 | JademusSreg | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:26.55 | JademusSreg | <Modification> |
| 02:26.57 | JademusSreg | <VitalMaxArray index="Energy" value="25"/> |
| 02:26.59 | JademusSreg | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:27.03 | JademusSreg | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:27.05 | JademusSreg | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:27.07 | JademusSreg | Those are Levi's defined attributes. |
| 02:27.08 | Zoxc | </pastebin> |
| 02:27.09 | JademusSreg | As of yet, there aren't any standard attributes, and only the defaults for the object class exist. |
| 02:27.15 | JademusSreg | Heh. |
| 02:27.24 | PixelWarrior | the regen value |
| 02:27.29 | PixelWarrior | is that 1/ sec ? |
| 02:27.47 | PixelWarrior | well it 1 / tick |
| 02:27.52 | PixelWarrior | but does it tick every second? |
| 02:27.53 | JademusSreg | I enjoy pasting directly to irc. =) Eat walls of text, textholes. |
| 02:28.21 | JademusSreg | 1 is probably a flat bonus. |
| 02:28.23 | JademusSreg | brb |
| 02:29.34 | JademusSreg | Seems all the indentation didn't carry over. |
| 02:29.45 | PixelWarrior | did for me |
| 02:29.55 | JademusSreg | Must be my settings. |
| 02:30.20 | PixelWarrior | actually i think it might be X / TimeScale ticks |
| 02:30.30 | Bifuu | yay for Spartacus being a good show |
| 02:30.32 | PixelWarrior | timescale value is set to 1.1 |
| 02:31.10 | JademusSreg | I strongly doubt it, but by all means, test/ |
| 02:33.07 | JademusSreg | Levi posted this earlier. |
| 02:33.08 | JademusSreg | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1047844/HeroMod.rar |
| 02:33.19 | JademusSreg | Contains the relevent files. |
| 02:33.45 | JademusSreg | And of course it uses your launcher, Zoxc. |
| 02:34.09 | JademusSreg | *it requires |
| 02:34.42 | JademusSreg | Or you could use something like WinMPQ stuff it into a map, I suppose. |
| 02:36.41 | JademusSreg | brb |
| 02:38.14 | Alevice | man, i edited my mod so terran would get 60 Marines, 20 Reaper, 15 Thors, 15 Banshees and 3 Battlecruisers. Pretty much thors are a pain inthe butt because of the artillery barrage |
| 02:38.40 | Alevice | i cant yamato them properly because if i get caught in the barrage, it disables my hero |
| 02:38.52 | Alevice | and i eat fucking napalm |
| 02:39.09 | PixelWarrior | artillery disables? |
| 02:39.39 | Alevice | I just learned that when i got owned by them. 5 thors cockblocking you from using your spells hurts bad |
| 02:40.09 | Alevice | buffed psi storm does shit to mech it seems. :( |
| 02:40.25 | Alevice | so i have to rely on summon spam to keep the fuckers busy while i yamoeto them |
| 02:40.56 | Alevice | and even then, yamatoing one runs the risk of having another barragiong you |
| 02:41.09 | Alevice | it is a massive clusterfuck of pain |
| 02:41.16 | Alevice | stupid thors |
| 02:41.41 | Alevice | reapers were also a pain in the butt occassionally |
| 02:42.21 | Alevice | too bad i cant actually mod protoss. dark templars kickng my ass would be fun |
| 02:45.36 | JademusSreg | Check the tooltip. It says it stuns. |
| 02:45.54 | Alevice | hmmm |
| 02:46.14 | JademusSreg | Why can't you mod protoss? |
| 02:46.44 | Alevice | I can. But since my hero is chosen by picking protoss it would mean I also get said units |
| 02:46.49 | Alevice | which i dont want |
| 02:46.52 | Alevice | lag much man |
| 02:47.20 | JademusSreg | CnP the entire mod and change whatever ya want. =) |
| 02:47.26 | JademusSreg | Back in 10 |
| 02:48.20 | Alevice | hmm? |
| 02:48.45 | JademusSreg | (or make Terran start with those units. And comment out the existing shit.) |
| 02:56.56 | JademusSreg | Makng a cp of tea before I begin the night's work. |
| 02:57.12 | PixelWarrior | a what of wat? |
| 02:59.22 | JademusSreg | A cup of tea. |
| 02:59.52 | JademusSreg | Levi, let me know if you are up for a game. |
| 03:08.54 | Alevice | sure. and yeah, i will give terran protoss units |
| 03:09.06 | Alevice | massed zerg arent as much of bitches |
| 03:09.24 | Alevice | they are a pain in the ass because of mutas, but ultras suffer from their lack of ranged |
| 03:09.31 | Alevice | i can easily outrun them |
| 03:09.38 | JademusSreg | Haha. |
| 03:09.54 | Alevice | Fun thing, massed quuens stay at base |
| 03:10.04 | JademusSreg | I've got this replay video to watch then I'll be ready. |
| 03:10.09 | Alevice | kk |
| 03:10.20 | JademusSreg | Unit AIs, heh. |
| 03:10.32 | JademusSreg | At least so much shit isn't hardcoded anymore. |
| 03:12.16 | Alevice | aye |
| 03:12.23 | Alevice | brb testing vs protoss |
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| 03:21.27 | Corbo | hai |
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| 03:25.01 | Jack[RCDF | So... |
| 03:25.07 | Jack[RCDF | Sup guise? |
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| 03:25.57 | Jack[RCDF | Woops |
| 03:26.00 | JademusSreg | Dis guise. |
| 03:26.26 | Jack[RCDF | No, dose guise |
| 03:26.53 | Corbo | ohhai |
| 03:27.06 | Jack[RCDF | Hai corbs |
| 03:27.28 | Jack[RCDF | Lulzy name, although i recognize the style :P |
| 03:27.31 | Corbo | DID U C MY VID |
| 03:27.41 | Jack[RCDF | Lulzy mod name, that is |
| 03:27.47 | Corbo | what style? |
| 03:27.48 | Corbo | or what |
| 03:28.04 | Corbo | And that's not the name that's the abbreviation of the name ;o |
| 03:28.05 | Jack[RCDF | Nah cos my computer bits haven't arrived yet |
| 03:28.10 | Jack[RCDF | Ya |
| 03:28.23 | Corbo | I still don't get it |
| 03:28.48 | Jack[RCDF | But i mean, take TZ's mod, or I'm sure mesk had a mod with the same kind of abbreviation |
| 03:29.39 | Jack[RCDF | w.e |
| 03:29.41 | Corbo | oh |
| 03:30.11 | Corbo | I just abbreviated it cause "My wife cheated on me so I am going on a "kicking ass on zerg" suicide mission" didn't quite fit on the screen. |
| 03:30.11 | Jack[RCDF | What's new besides your mod? |
| 03:30.22 | Jack[RCDF | K |
| 03:30.39 | gregv21 | i want items |
| 03:30.55 | Alevice | man stupid protoss owned me. 15 void rays and carriers cloaked by 5 motherships surely is a pain in the ass. drak templar dont help either |
| 03:31.05 | Jack[RCDF | lul |
| 03:31.23 | Corbo | protoss are fun |
| 03:31.29 | Alevice | aye |
| 03:31.30 | Jack[RCDF | My first game against toss as z, not fun :P |
| 03:31.39 | Corbo | try rushing with terrans |
| 03:31.41 | Corbo | REAPER RUSH |
| 03:31.42 | Alevice | heh |
| 03:31.49 | Corbo | and kill their economy |
| 03:31.53 | Jack[RCDF | Reapers are my homies |
| 03:32.00 | Corbo | no need to destroy destructibles either |
| 03:32.04 | Alevice | summoning stalkers helped keep them in line, but my hero's psi storm was worthless |
| 03:32.05 | Corbo | cause they jump over duuud |
| 03:32.06 | Corbo | XD |
| 03:32.12 | Corbo | they're so awesome |
| 03:32.19 | Jack[RCDF | I just mass about 50 of them, with like 2 tanks and a bunk for def |
| 03:32.19 | Alevice | yamato is only useful against motehrsips |
| 03:32.24 | Corbo | and you basically don't need to tech up to start using them |
| 03:32.39 | Alevice | becaus ethe 15 colossi crush you before having yamato ready against them |
| 03:32.50 | Jack[RCDF | Then i run around their base |
| 03:32.58 | Jack[RCDF | And the ai follows |
| 03:33.14 | Jack[RCDF | And stuff goes boom |
| 03:34.01 | JademusSreg | Hey Levi, add a skill for detection. Haha |
| 03:34.03 | Alevice | i hoped bigger resistance from the 15 sentries. stupid sentries didnt even acitvate their shields. thank god i mean |
| 03:34.11 | Alevice | i am refusing to deliberatedly |
| 03:34.29 | Alevice | whenever i hear slahses i just psitosm those stupid dt |
| 03:34.36 | JademusSreg | Someone mentioned Mesk? |
| 03:34.41 | Alevice | and half the fun of the momma ships is cloaking |
| 03:34.44 | Jack[RCDF | Maybe. |
| 03:34.46 | Alevice | where? |
| 03:34.50 | JademusSreg | Above. |
| 03:34.56 | Alevice | oh Jack[RCDF |
| 03:34.57 | Alevice | did |
| 03:35.03 | Jack[RCDF | Mhmm |
| 03:35.11 | Alevice | yeah, mesk had a mod with instnely long names |
| 03:35.33 | JademusSreg | And units that didn't make sense. |
| 03:35.41 | Jack[RCDF | lol |
| 03:35.51 | JademusSreg | Still, what he managed to pull of was worth noticing. |
| 03:35.54 | Alevice | indeed |
| 03:36.00 | Jack[RCDF | TassadarZeratul had a mod with a longer name |
| 03:36.00 | Alevice | his iscript skills were awesome |
| 03:36.16 | Jack[RCDF | He is an hero |
| 03:36.19 | Alevice | I wished VI was around to make New Avalon 3 |
| 03:36.30 | Jack[RCDF | And doesn't afraid of anything |
| 03:36.40 | JademusSreg | Hahaha |
| 03:37.31 | Jack[RCDF | Ok gtg, next time i pop in should be when I have a computer. |
| 03:37.33 | Jack[RCDF | Bai |
| 03:37.36 | JademusSreg | Later. |
| 03:37.47 | nicoli_s | so who else put out a hero map today? |
| 03:38.11 | JademusSreg | United Race Modders of Merit? |
| 03:38.21 | Alevice | hah |
| 03:38.35 | nicoli_s | lol, i just thought i saw someone had released one when scanning up |
| 03:38.36 | JademusSreg | Levi and I are in URMOM. |
| 03:38.47 | Alevice | Only I did today it seems |
| 03:38.55 | nicoli_s | ahhh mmk |
| 03:38.56 | JademusSreg | Yeah. |
| 03:39.06 | Alevice | But tehre is that contra map iot seems |
| 03:39.10 | Alevice | and the chinese mod |
| 03:39.12 | nicoli_s | contra map? |
| 03:39.15 | PixelWarrior | yeah |
| 03:39.21 | Alevice | havent tried it |
| 03:39.23 | PixelWarrior | this chinese guy made a contra map |
| 03:39.23 | Alevice | someone else did |
| 03:39.34 | JademusSreg | The chinese mod looked pretty pleasing from the screenshots. |
| 03:39.38 | PixelWarrior | its awesome |
| 03:39.42 | Alevice | chinese mods |
| 03:39.50 | PixelWarrior | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrh7_ZsLD2A |
| 03:39.58 | PixelWarrior | me kiting for 2 mins |
| 03:40.13 | nicoli_s | i saw the chinese hero mod, and the one with the nice loading screen |
| 03:40.15 | JademusSreg | Hm, to click or not to click. |
| 03:40.18 | Alevice | try my mod pixel warrior |
| 03:40.19 | Alevice | :P |
| 03:40.23 | PixelWarrior | link |
| 03:40.26 | JademusSreg | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1047844/HeroMod.rar |
| 03:40.29 | PixelWarrior | yeah |
| 03:40.31 | Alevice | wait lemem update it |
| 03:40.35 | PixelWarrior | is that err |
| 03:40.43 | nicoli_s | whatd yall get in it btw? just hero stuff? |
| 03:40.53 | PixelWarrior | a mod or a map or can i shove that into a map? |
| 03:41.09 | JademusSreg | Mod, and you can shove it into a map. |
| 03:41.12 | PixelWarrior | awesome |
| 03:41.22 | JademusSreg | Since it's all the same data and shit. |
| 03:41.23 | Alevice | you can use zoxc loader for easy of use |
| 03:41.36 | Alevice | just uncompress pick map and right mod and load |
| 03:41.36 | PixelWarrior | the contra map, he has 6 skills, 3 guns, u can upgrade the guns and ur armor with minerals |
| 03:41.49 | JademusSreg | Hm. |
| 03:41.56 | Alevice | hmm i just have a base mod since vjeu asked for a poc for a hero |
| 03:42.01 | JademusSreg | I wonder if it uses the Specialization ability class for that. |
| 03:42.07 | nicoli_s | ahhh cool |
| 03:42.15 | PixelWarrior | but no stats |
| 03:42.24 | JademusSreg | Eh, no worries. |
| 03:42.37 | Alevice | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1047844/HeroMod.rar |
| 03:42.43 | JademusSreg | If someone will grab the data from the contra map, I would be pleased. |
| 03:42.54 | PixelWarrior | cheers |
| 03:43.09 | Alevice | ìck racprotsos |
| 03:43.18 | JademusSreg | pick race protoss |
| 03:43.18 | Alevice | and fight against either terran or zerg |
| 03:43.31 | Alevice | zerg are not very hard to beat |
| 03:43.37 | Alevice | protoss are a pain in the ass |
| 03:43.40 | JademusSreg | Since Queens don't fight back. |
| 03:43.44 | Alevice | aye |
| 03:43.57 | Alevice | actually they do, only they dont get outta home |
| 03:44.04 | *** join/#sc2mapster Iggyhopper (~a@75.12.118.108) |
| 03:44.23 | JademusSreg | You know what I meant. |
| 03:44.29 | Alevice | I know |
| 03:44.31 | Alevice | :p |
| 03:44.41 | Alevice | terran get protoss units, to clarify |
| 03:44.44 | Alevice | tons of protoss units |
| 03:44.48 | Alevice | shit tons |
| 03:44.51 | Iggyhopper | o hey |
| 03:44.55 | Alevice | hihi |
| 03:45.03 | Iggyhopper | i put progress report in comment on my EZ modder |
| 03:45.10 | Alevice | ?? |
| 03:45.16 | Iggyhopper | should be ready to go, just have to add REMOVE command, or whatever |
| 03:45.20 | Iggyhopper | lol |
| 03:45.26 | Iggyhopper | http://www.sc2mapster.com/assets/ez-modder/#comments |
| 03:45.28 | Iggyhopper | lolo |
| 03:45.29 | Alevice | lolwut |
| 03:45.40 | Alevice | checking |
| 03:45.53 | Iggyhopper | lolwut |
| 03:46.11 | nicoli_s | very cool Iggyhopper |
| 03:46.22 | Iggyhopper | yepz |
| 03:46.29 | Iggyhopper | i am cool, be jellus |
| 03:46.33 | Iggyhopper | lol |
| 03:46.36 | nicoli_s | thats one thing we need to for sure with MWE is getting adding new entries in |
| 03:46.50 | nicoli_s | sholdak: you around? |
| 03:47.06 | Iggyhopper | hah |
| 03:47.16 | Iggyhopper | well thats cool |
| 03:47.24 | Iggyhopper | i will have removing and then ill update the rev |
| 03:47.28 | Iggyhopper | res |
| 03:47.29 | Iggyhopper | w/e |
| 03:47.41 | JademusSreg | Needz moar documentation |
| 03:47.47 | Iggyhopper | yes yes ye |
| 03:47.53 | Iggyhopper | i will do lots of that :) |
| 03:47.58 | Iggyhopper | you will see |
| 03:48.26 | Alevice | needs download link :P |
| 03:48.34 | Iggyhopper | hehe |
| 03:48.47 | Iggyhopper | what needs more documentation? mine or the MWE, just to be sure? |
| 03:49.00 | JademusSreg | Yours. |
| 03:49.04 | Iggyhopper | mk |
| 03:49.31 | JademusSreg | I mean, MWE might, but your external documentation consists of "Load extracted, unchanged XML Files into SC2 Beta/GameData. Write instruction file using XPath and other things. Do stuff." |
| 03:49.40 | Iggyhopper | lol yes |
| 03:49.47 | Iggyhopper | hah |
| 03:50.01 | nicoli_s | but yes, mwe needs more documenting too |
| 03:50.52 | Iggyhopper | its just a baby now, ill work on more doc tonight, but i mean i cant get too much, because its pretty much self explanitory. Anyway yes more doc is needed. |
| 03:51.10 | Alevice | brb |
| 03:51.31 | Iggyhopper | no u |
| 03:51.40 | Iggyhopper | i updated i |
| 03:52.15 | Iggyhopper | i need to take a screenshot of a XML file |
| 03:52.17 | Iggyhopper | brb |
| 03:52.47 | Repo | New map: http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/fasteststarcraftii-v1-0/. FastestStarcraftII.v1.0. VampireCross (Manager/Author). Experimental. Approved by sanktanglia. |
| 03:53.07 | vjeux | screenshot of a xml file ... lol |
| 03:53.13 | vjeux | bzcbm |
| 03:53.15 | vjeux | v |
| 03:56.51 | JademusSreg | Fastest? As in lots of resources, no clutter, lame piece of shit? |
| 03:57.02 | nicoli_s | lol |
| 03:57.32 | JademusSreg | I vaguely remember those maps a long long time ago... |
| 03:57.41 | JademusSreg | In a sector far far away. |
| 03:58.07 | Iggyhopper | nicoli_s Can I upload an image to use in the wiki? |
| 03:58.30 | Iggyhopper | Also, hey it's easy to see what the file looks like even beofre downloading the program, helps a lot. |
| 03:58.44 | Iggyhopper | Photobucket or imageshack or what? |
| 03:58.59 | Iggyhopper | oh i see |
| 03:59.05 | Iggyhopper | nevermind turds |
| 03:59.07 | nicoli_s | Iggyhopper: you should be able to upload images |
| 03:59.39 | Corbo | lol |
| 03:59.42 | Corbo | fastest scII |
| 04:00.47 | Corbo | aww |
| 04:00.49 | JademusSreg | Raise the bar, guys. C'mon. |
| 04:00.56 | Corbo | my video didn't get news'd |
| 04:00.58 | Alevice | brb |
| 04:01.03 | Iggyhopper | haha |
| 04:01.12 | Iggyhopper | Imma be crazy up in this crap MMMMMK |
| 04:01.24 | Iggyhopper | Crobo linky vid |
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| 04:01.53 | Iggyhopper | Sixen |
| 04:01.56 | Iggyhopper | sucks balls! |
| 04:01.58 | Iggyhopper | jk! |
| 04:02.01 | Sixen | orly |
| 04:02.10 | Iggyhopper | only an owl would say that. |
| 04:02.15 | Iggyhopper | Sixen is obvs an owl! |
| 04:02.28 | Sixen | keke |
| 04:02.33 | Corbo | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTl6svy7Luc |
| 04:04.30 | Iggyhopper | should i make the be able to just copy the files to the sc2 directory and not rely on the user to make a directory of GameData and do it themselves? |
| 04:04.56 | Iggyhopper | yeah, i have the GameData/*.xml files in the same dir as my prog., then copy over when it runs. |
| 04:06.41 | Iggyhopper | but... you still rely on the user to extract files. arg |
| 04:07.16 | Corbo | make a batch |
| 04:07.25 | JademusSreg | I think people ought to do it themselves. There is no elegant solution. |
| 04:07.27 | Corbo | to copy the files to the proper directory |
| 04:07.33 | Corbo | and overwrite original data! |
| 04:07.37 | Corbo | so they blame it on you! |
| 04:07.49 | JademusSreg | Either that, or include a file with the relevent paths. |
| 04:07.51 | Iggyhopper | Sixen: Have you tried creating a GameData folder inside Versions/Base#####? |
| 04:08.12 | Sixen | Hrm |
| 04:08.18 | Corbo | I have |
| 04:08.19 | Sixen | Supposedly that works as well. |
| 04:08.38 | Corbo | it didn't work for me, though >.> |
| 04:08.43 | Corbo | but my file was weird. |
| 04:08.44 | Sixen | Then I guess not :P |
| 04:08.45 | Iggyhopper | Ah. |
| 04:08.47 | Iggyhopper | :( |
| 04:09.29 | Alevice | where to dl contra map |
| 04:09.42 | PixelWarrior | http://www.brsbox.com/filebox/down/fc/7f03bba17584cec7c8686321e8fab484/rand/2012143896 |
| 04:09.52 | JademusSreg | It's really not terrible to have people manage their own directories. You may want to include something about directory/paths in a readme file though. |
| 04:10.11 | JademusSreg | Or include an option to create the directories for the user. |
| 04:10.38 | JademusSreg | I'm not misunderstanding the problem, am I? |
| 04:10.40 | Alevice | thnks |
| 04:11.03 | Iggyhopper | JademusSreg: No you understand. |
| 04:11.13 | JademusSreg | kk |
| 04:11.25 | JademusSreg | brb |
| 04:11.40 | Alevice | brb |
| 04:12.02 | Iggyhopper | I am going to assume if they are into modding in the first place, then they should know how to extract files into the right directories. |
| 04:12.15 | Sixen | Fairly decent assumption., |
| 04:12.40 | Iggyhopper | Farily decent statement. |
| 04:13.08 | Corbo | ehh |
| 04:13.12 | Corbo | a lot of people are into mods |
| 04:13.25 | Corbo | but many of them don't have a clue on what they're doing. |
| 04:13.32 | Corbo | I remember this from mod nights |
| 04:13.44 | Corbo | people couldn't figure out how to setup shadowflare's server... |
| 04:13.48 | Corbo | couldn't setup hamachi |
| 04:13.48 | Sixen | heh |
| 04:13.53 | Corbo | couldn't run the mod .exe... |
| 04:14.00 | Corbo | couldn't downgrade... |
| 04:14.11 | Sixen | SEN used to be the best of the best in regards to mapping |
| 04:14.21 | Sixen | Not anymore.. |
| 04:14.22 | Corbo | used to |
| 04:14.58 | Corbo | now it's full of arrogant people that are all the best mappers in the world but they don't actually do anything at all than troll out away the newcomers |
| 04:14.59 | Iggyhopper | This program just makes it easier to mod for the modders and/or mod users. Also, we are running cracks here. Well, most of the people that use the tools will be runnig cracks. The brainpower required to use a torrent should be enough to mod. |
| 04:15.14 | Corbo | :P |
| 04:15.15 | Sixen | Heh |
| 04:15.21 | Corbo | THAT is a decent assumption |
| 04:15.37 | Corbo | though, I still don't know why some people can't torrent... |
| 04:15.49 | Sixen | That's beyodn me :p |
| 04:15.54 | Sixen | *point* |
| 04:15.54 | Sixen | *click* |
| 04:16.02 | Corbo | more like |
| 04:16.05 | Corbo | *dltorrent* |
| 04:16.07 | Corbo | *open* |
| 04:16.09 | Corbo | *done* |
| 04:16.11 | Sixen | Heh, srsly. |
| 04:16.11 | Corbo | :P |
| 04:16.45 | Iggyhopper | Once the GE is released, and once the game is released later this year, my program will have to accomadate for everyone, not just the crack users. |
| 04:17.02 | Sixen | Your progrsam will probably be unneeded come GE. |
| 04:17.16 | Sixen | Most programs out right now will be unneeded. |
| 04:17.19 | Iggyhopper | Hopefully GE will render my tool useless, because that's harrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrd to program lol; |
| 04:17.20 | nicoli_s | thats not true sixen |
| 04:17.27 | Sixen | Damnit, I thought nic was afk. |
| 04:17.28 | Iggyhopper | just a lot of XML work |
| 04:17.34 | nicoli_s | i wouldnt imagine GE will have mass xml editing |
| 04:17.39 | Iggyhopper | dude yes |
| 04:17.46 | Sixen | I'm assuming it'll look exactly like MWE, nic. |
| 04:17.55 | nicoli_s | im not |
| 04:18.00 | nicoli_s | itll be super user friendly |
| 04:18.05 | Sixen | GE is what the campaign devs use at blizzard. |
| 04:18.06 | Iggyhopper | lol Blizzard- "GE in late april." |
| 04:18.10 | JademusSreg | Back. |
| 04:18.15 | Iggyhopper | "Blizzard released GE on Aprile 30th |
| 04:18.22 | Sixen | So if they program things in the game for the devs, they'll be available to us too. |
| 04:18.33 | Iggyhopper | like pr0n? |
| 04:18.34 | Iggyhopper | OMG |
| 04:18.35 | nicoli_s | im not sure if i 100% believe that sixen |
| 04:19.18 | Sixen | That's the big deal about GE. |
| 04:19.22 | Sixen | We're getting the tools the devs use. |
| 04:19.26 | Iggyhopper | probably not easy backdoors to edit crucial data. There's probably a version of the GE or a setting hidden in normal maps to debug battle.net or whatever. |
| 04:19.34 | Sixen | GE will have a tool built-in called StarTools, which is used to edit units. |
| 04:20.19 | JademusSreg | I imagine they are working to modify it to support some kind of interface with Battlenet, perhaps with the aim to facilitate distribution and/or DRM. |
| 04:20.30 | Sixen | Modify what? |
| 04:20.38 | JademusSreg | GE. |
| 04:20.43 | Sixen | Ah, sorry, had to re-read that. |
| 04:20.49 | Iggyhopper | I heard that the Interface will have no support ffrom GE. |
| 04:20.52 | Iggyhopper | Currently. |
| 04:20.53 | Sixen | Not sure how the distribution will work. That'd be smart though. |
| 04:21.06 | JademusSreg | Otherwise, it ought to be true to form, as Blizzard has said it will be the same tool used by the devteam. |
| 04:21.13 | Iggyhopper | GE cracks? oh god |
| 04:21.33 | Iggyhopper | Probably have to be connected to battle.net/signed in to even use it. |
| 04:21.40 | nicoli_s | honestly, they said the same thing about the war3 model tools |
| 04:21.59 | nicoli_s | and then when they came out they were super awkward to use, and pretty much no one touched them |
| 04:22.02 | Sixen | Did they, nic? |
| 04:22.04 | Corbo | lol |
| 04:22.07 | Corbo | max 4.1 right? |
| 04:22.10 | nicoli_s | yeah |
| 04:22.11 | Sixen | Yeah, but they're learning from their mistakes. |
| 04:22.16 | Corbo | yeah |
| 04:22.22 | nicoli_s | yeah sixen, they said it was the same tools they use which would be so great |
| 04:22.24 | Corbo | blizzard is so good at screwing up all of us |
| 04:22.29 | Iggyhopper | Maybe even to download it, it'll be a "content patch" where you would have to be signed in to battle.net |
| 04:22.36 | nicoli_s | and the mod tools out there were already better |
| 04:22.46 | nicoli_s | i bet it will be Iggyhopper |
| 04:23.06 | Iggyhopper | OMG IM GOING TO jizz in mah pantszzz |
| 04:23.08 | Iggyhopper | lol |
| 04:23.24 | Sixen | GE is coming through a content patch |
| 04:23.33 | Corbo | I'm still QQing cause my vid didn't get news |
| 04:23.46 | Sixen | I saw vjeux did something, so I didn't post anything |
| 04:23.46 | Corbo | I worked so hard for 30 minutes on it! |
| 04:23.52 | Sixen | i'll put it up tomorrow sometime |
| 04:24.03 | JademusSreg | I'm skeptical a group of hobbyists would develop something as complete, robust, and aromatic (and delicious) as the official editor within the same timescale. |
| 04:24.11 | Sixen | Agreed. |
| 04:24.15 | nicoli_s | oh i dont think so either |
| 04:24.29 | nicoli_s | i just dont think the official editor is going to be this great gift to modders either |
| 04:24.39 | Iggyhopper | naw |
| 04:24.42 | nicoli_s | i mean i think itll be cool, just because the modding capabilities of the sc2 engine is good |
| 04:25.05 | JademusSreg | I think it will be a great boon, but I agree it will not support direct XML manipulation. |
| 04:25.09 | Iggyhopper | You know how hard it is to create a "GameTime" and "Update" in warcraft III? |
| 04:25.10 | nicoli_s | but do i think MWE will already have a few features it doesnt have? hell yeah i do |
| 04:25.15 | Iggyhopper | like vel += 1 |
| 04:25.17 | nicoli_s | Iggyhopper: not hard |
| 04:25.22 | Iggyhopper | well, lol |
| 04:25.27 | nicoli_s | vjeux already has exmaples of update loop |
| 04:25.29 | Iggyhopper | harder then normal programming for sure |
| 04:25.37 | nicoli_s | pretty sure someone did a timer already too |
| 04:26.04 | Iggyhopper | mk |
| 04:26.14 | Iggyhopper | well maybe because i dont do triggers that well/ |
| 04:26.14 | JademusSreg | Seems like an awful lot of work to emulate a feature that will be native when the full API is available. |
| 04:26.34 | Corbo | well |
| 04:26.39 | JademusSreg | But I understand the drive to invent solutions, if only for the perverse joy. |
| 04:26.56 | Corbo | The editor will come to finally set up a limit on where mapping ends and where modding starts |
| 04:27.05 | Corbo | right now I have no idea if I'm making a map or a mod |
| 04:27.05 | Corbo | :P |
| 04:27.18 | Sixen | I dsiagree corbo |
| 04:27.22 | Corbo | Is it wrong if that's the only reason why I want the editor to come? |
| 04:27.28 | Sixen | I don't believe there is a difference anymore. |
| 04:27.39 | Corbo | we'll see. |
| 04:27.53 | Sixen | Every map can be it's own mod. |
| 04:27.54 | Corbo | There will obviously be some things that the editor won't be able to do. |
| 04:28.02 | Sixen | Not supposedly. |
| 04:28.11 | Sixen | The editor is supposed to be all knowing and allseeing, :P. |
| 04:28.16 | Sixen | Exceot fr, UI Customimzation. |
| 04:28.27 | Corbo | that's modding ;o |
| 04:28.33 | Corbo | see what I mean? |
| 04:28.44 | JademusSreg | Or features that were deemed unnecessary, superfluous, or useless. |
| 04:28.53 | Corbo | psh |
| 04:28.58 | Corbo | UI is not superfluos |
| 04:28.58 | Sixen | Not really, Modding in the sense I think of it is adding custom models, changing unit data, etc, etc. |
| 04:29.00 | Corbo | u |
| 04:29.01 | Corbo | s |
| 04:29.01 | Iggyhopper | updated my asset doc to like, two parg |
| 04:29.05 | Sixen | As oppsoed to just placing units and creating triggers. |
| 04:29.07 | JademusSreg | "deemed" |
| 04:29.12 | Corbo | changing unit data is not modding |
| 04:29.29 | Corbo | you could even change it on staredit :P |
| 04:29.35 | Iggyhopper | I really got tipsy when Blizzard started calling "Maps", "Mods". |
| 04:29.36 | JademusSreg | It is modding, by virtue of the fact that you are modifying unit data. |
| 04:29.44 | Sixen | Not what makes units though, etc. |
| 04:30.00 | JademusSreg | But it is not -impressive- modding. |
| 04:30.05 | Iggyhopper | DotA mod, oh jeez. |
| 04:30.11 | JademusSreg | That doesn't require skill. =) |
| 04:30.17 | Corbo | lul |
| 04:30.23 | Iggyhopper | It's like the line between flexibility/customization, and modding has been intertwined. |
| 04:30.40 | Sixen | Ia gree. |
| 04:30.48 | Iggyhopper | its so customizable, that it could be called a map, or a mod. |
| 04:31.53 | JademusSreg | I think the standard conception of a mod is a set of changes to the data that can be utilized without embedding the changes directly in a game-stage. |
| 04:31.55 | Sixen | Right, i'm saying there is no line anymore. |
| 04:32.53 | Iggyhopper | Modding in warCraft III is simple. Changing the loading bar color is a mod. I think if it's supported: customization not: mod. |
| 04:33.24 | JademusSreg | As I understand it, "mods" in SC2 will be like required libraries of data that maps can require to function correctly; this is not quite on target assuming the standard concept. |
| 04:33.26 | Iggyhopper | but then blizzaard goes and calls maps, mods. |
| 04:34.01 | Iggyhopper | Also, they mentioned if you wanted to play classic sc1 on sc2, therer will be a "Sc1 mod" you can import. |
| 04:34.16 | Iggyhopper | I'll still call maps, "maps". |
| 04:34.31 | Iggyhopper | or include, require |
| 04:34.42 | JademusSreg | Was that speculation about what the community will develop or do you have a reference? |
| 04:34.44 | Corbo | bai |
| 04:34.53 | JademusSreg | Later. |
| 04:34.56 | Iggyhopper | bsi |
| 04:35.01 | Corbo | BSI |
| 04:35.05 | Iggyhopper | BSI! |
| 04:35.09 | JademusSreg | MSI |
| 04:35.27 | Iggyhopper | ohno |
| 04:35.29 | Iggyhopper | GDI |
| 04:35.33 | JademusSreg | NOD |
| 04:35.53 | JademusSreg | Tacitus |
| 04:35.56 | JademusSreg | Tassadar |
| 04:36.49 | JademusSreg | " Was that speculation about what the community will develop or do you have a reference?" |
| 04:36.55 | Iggyhopper | um |
| 04:36.57 | Iggyhopper | idk |
| 04:37.21 | Iggyhopper | The community will develop, "stuff". |
| 04:37.26 | Iggyhopper | That's all. |
| 04:37.26 | JademusSreg | Do you know if you have a reference? Is this an epistemological question? |
| 04:37.46 | Iggyhopper | I am not grammatically or vocabularily inclined, sir. |
| 04:38.00 | Iggyhopper | lol |
| 04:38.05 | Iggyhopper | kthx |
| 04:38.12 | JademusSreg | Epistemology is a field of philosophy. |
| 04:38.18 | Iggyhopper | gtg my bro is getting on the computar |
| 04:38.19 | Iggyhopper | soon |
| 04:38.23 | JademusSreg | Later. |
| 04:38.28 | Iggyhopper | bye bye |
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| 04:50.44 | nicoli_s | finally got all the objects converted over to using the property grid system, and fixed up adding via right click to use it oo |
| 04:51.00 | JademusSreg | Cool. |
| 04:51.16 | nicoli_s | cant wait to test this stuff out :) |
| 04:51.23 | nicoli_s | want to see if respawn will work |
| 04:51.33 | nicoli_s | and i think i found the way to use loot |
| 04:52.51 | JademusSreg | Oh? |
| 04:53.32 | nicoli_s | yeah, i was looking over some guys docs on the object xml format, and there is this element called unitgroup and one of its nodes is loot |
| 04:53.39 | nicoli_s | http://code.google.com/p/vgce/source/browse/trunk/docs/Blizzard/Starcraft%20II/mapObjectXML.txt |
| 04:53.57 | nicoli_s | and then <GroupObject |
| 04:53.57 | nicoli_s | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:54.12 | nicoli_s | is inside the group im pretty sure, and you use those ids to relate to units that are in the group |
| 04:54.45 | nicoli_s | i also think you can use that spawn element to define units that can respawn |
| 04:54.50 | nicoli_s | or variable spawns |
| 04:55.07 | nicoli_s | also appears to be a way to make units patrol |
| 04:56.59 | JademusSreg | Interesting. |
| 04:57.23 | JademusSreg | I had thought you were refering to hero revival for some reason, but that is a nice find too. |
| 04:57.37 | nicoli_s | hopefully someone can test these out, i would but im having to remote in, and cant see the game graphics |
| 04:58.48 | JademusSreg | Ah. Do we know which values are avlid? |
| 04:58.53 | JademusSreg | *valid? |
| 04:59.02 | nicoli_s | not yet |
| 04:59.29 | nicoli_s | im pretty sure patrol point would be the easiest to test atm, cuz im almost positive thats just a sub element of unit |
| 05:00.01 | nicoli_s | where the id points to the id of the point to patrol to id think |
| 05:00.28 | JademusSreg | Have you checked the string dump for possible values? |
| 05:00.56 | nicoli_s | i think thats where he found out about these from, as i dont think there are any examples of these in the bnet maps |
| 05:01.35 | JademusSreg | Yeah, I'm seeing all the mentioned values in the dump. |
| 05:02.36 | JademusSreg | LootArray |
| 05:02.44 | JademusSreg | I'm pretty sure you can stick that on a unit. |
| 05:02.46 | JademusSreg | =) |
| 05:02.57 | nicoli_s | very cool |
| 05:04.04 | nicoli_s | got a link to the string dump btw? |
| 05:05.09 | Alevice | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1047844/SC2.exe.StringDump.txt |
| 05:05.44 | JademusSreg | Heh, I still haven't figured out how to do that. |
| 05:06.43 | JademusSreg | Are you up for a game tonight Levi? |
| 05:07.01 | JademusSreg | My circadian rhythm is winding down. |
| 05:07.21 | Alevice | yep |
| 05:07.25 | Alevice | gimme a few minutes |
| 05:07.28 | JademusSreg | kk |
| 05:07.29 | Alevice | just tried that contra map |
| 05:07.37 | JademusSreg | Verdict? |
| 05:07.41 | Alevice | changing wepons, i need to see how is it done |
| 05:07.55 | Alevice | decent and good. its got a few features I want to check in detail |
| 05:07.58 | JademusSreg | Morph or (I hope) specialization. |
| 05:08.15 | Alevice | well, weapon improvement is done through upgrades |
| 05:08.21 | Alevice | weapon i dunno yet |
| 05:08.31 | Alevice | will examinelater tonight |
| 05:08.35 | Alevice | after our given match |
| 05:09.06 | JademusSreg | kk |
| 05:09.30 | JademusSreg | Closing other processes. |
| 05:09.44 | JademusSreg | Besides xchat, of course. |
| 05:09.51 | JademusSreg | Launching |
| 05:14.42 | JademusSreg | thinks Levi is slow, and Ano is complaining. |
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| 05:21.13 | sampsonx | hi |
| 05:21.18 | Sixen | Heya. |
| 05:21.30 | sampsonx | i got sc2 beta yesterday ^^ |
| 05:22.13 | sampsonx | although i'm doing pretty badly haa |
| 05:22.28 | nicoli_s | that was weird |
| 05:22.38 | PixelWarrior | o.o |
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| 05:23.04 | sampsonx | sorry d/c |
| 05:23.19 | PixelWarrior | where u from |
| 05:24.17 | sampsonx | aus |
| 05:24.43 | PixelWarrior | yeh same i could tell from ur ip, static.tpgi.com.au lol |
| 05:25.36 | sampsonx | haha |
| 05:25.42 | sampsonx | i'm crap at sc2 |
| 05:25.43 | sampsonx | i need tips |
| 05:25.44 | sampsonx | lol |
| 05:25.51 | PixelWarrior | build fast |
| 05:25.56 | PixelWarrior | dot die |
| 05:25.57 | PixelWarrior | dont |
| 05:26.20 | PixelWarrior | 12 pool with zerg |
| 05:26.23 | PixelWarrior | always scout |
| 05:26.33 | sampsonx | starting with |
| 05:26.48 | PixelWarrior | 9 supply then 13 barracks with terran |
| 05:27.04 | PixelWarrior | 9 pylon 12 gate with protoss |
| 05:27.05 | sampsonx | yeah i'm starting with terran |
| 05:27.11 | sampsonx | i heard its easiest? |
| 05:27.13 | PixelWarrior | i hope im giving the right advice lol |
| 05:27.23 | PixelWarrior | i like protoss best |
| 05:27.24 | sampsonx | haha |
| 05:27.25 | sampsonx | are u any good? |
| 05:27.33 | PixelWarrior | i dont have beta |
| 05:28.19 | sampsonx | oh |
| 05:28.21 | sampsonx | wut |
| 05:28.31 | sampsonx | are u just carrying on from sc1? haha |
| 05:28.34 | PixelWarrior | so i play against ai |
| 05:28.48 | sampsonx | o yea i can beat ai |
| 05:28.51 | sampsonx | just normal people |
| 05:28.52 | sampsonx | get owned |
| 05:28.56 | PixelWarrior | more scouting |
| 05:39.42 | nicoli_s | woot! got in removing of objects via treeview |
| 05:52.25 | Bifuu | k Boondock Saints 2 was good |
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| 06:26.07 | Sixen | Nice nc |
| 06:26.09 | Sixen | nic |
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| 07:20.44 | PixelWarrior | has anyone managed to find "primary attributes" for heroes? |
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| 08:45.38 | Jerub | ` |
| 08:56.32 | monoframe | ! |
| 09:03.39 | Computerpunk | ! |
| 09:37.49 | monoframe | uhm guys, do you think this would work ?: |
| 09:37.50 | monoframe | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:37.50 | monoframe | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:37.50 | monoframe | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:37.55 | monoframe | wait |
| 09:38.02 | monoframe | first line should have fixed syntax |
| 09:38.07 | monoframe | <AttachProps Id="Ref_Back"> |
| 09:38.21 | monoframe | so would this function? |
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| 10:17.06 | Grum | has anyone already made a repository to track changes to the xml files throughout each new sc2 version? |
| 10:41.36 | Sixen | That probably would've been a good idea. |
| 10:44.19 | monoframe | "Would've" |
| 10:44.36 | PixelWarrior | its not too late |
| 10:49.12 | Sixen | Truth |
| 11:08.50 | Grum | i'm sortof working on it now |
| 11:08.54 | Grum | just curious if someone had done it |
| 11:09.27 | PixelWarrior | good man |
| 11:11.03 | Grum | brrr all files are CRLF :( |
| 11:32.12 | Grum | mm does EU get different patches than US? |
| 11:32.32 | PixelWarrior | i dont think there's any difference yet |
| 11:32.46 | Grum | the first patch: StarCraft II Beta - Patch 1 (version 0.3.14048) |
| 11:32.48 | Grum | i dont have that one |
| 11:32.50 | PixelWarrior | as in, i dont think an EU server exists |
| 11:32.55 | Grum | i have 13981 -> 14093 |
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| 12:19.10 | Grum | here; enjoy a git repo with all xml/galaxy/whatever (non binary) file changes from all patches: http://github.com/grum/sc2-dev/ |
| 12:21.43 | Grum | oh and its enGB because i dont have access to anything else =) |
| 12:24.29 | Grum | so quite funny; in the last patch forgot to mention that spinecrawlers became cheaper and they attack faster O.o |
| 12:25.06 | Grum | maybe we should do a 'real patch changes' section on each patchnotes :) |
| 12:25.44 | Grum | mmm i broke something ;( |
| 12:27.56 | Grum | (something hide half of my patchnodes on github .. yay :D -- its actually all ok ><) |
| 12:44.13 | PixelWarrior | how much did spine crawlers cost |
| 12:46.34 | Grum | all patchnotes seem to reflect what they actually did in the xml sofar |
| 12:47.42 | Grum | The cost has been decreased from 100 to 75. |
| 12:47.45 | Grum | http://github.com/grum/sc2-dev/commit/e102cb8ba11ffe47429e941b8e3f5b5e166018fc |
| 13:14.34 | Fisker | slaps Grum around a bit with a large trout |
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| 13:19.05 | *** mode/#sc2mapster [+o vjeux] by ChanServ |
| 13:19.08 | vjeux | hey |
| 13:19.18 | Grum | vjeux: http://github.com/grum/sc2-dev/ have fun with it :) |
| 13:20.01 | vjeux | the game files? |
| 13:20.11 | Grum | you can see what changed each patch |
| 13:20.35 | Grum | sortof similar to the wow-ui-dev repo someone once made |
| 13:20.35 | vjeux | oh really nice |
| 13:21.17 | Grum | i should have linked: http://github.com/grum/sc2-dev/commits/master |
| 13:22.08 | vjeux | good use of github :) |
| 13:22.21 | Grum | /nod |
| 13:22.34 | Grum | its nice to find 'unmentioned' things in the patchnotes |
| 13:22.45 | vjeux | yup |
| 13:23.08 | Grum | what i did was unpacked all patch files, delete all Assets and other binary data (some localized facial graphics etc) |
| 13:23.44 | Grum | then find what folders it had changed sofar and unpacked those from the 'main' mpq files |
| 13:23.50 | Grum | and then just made commits out of all of em |
| 13:24.22 | vjeux | congratulation you just won a news :P |
| 13:24.28 | Grum | hehe |
| 13:24.44 | Grum | i just have enGB locale files though |
| 13:24.47 | PixelWarrior | i just tested |
| 13:24.52 | Grum | but usualyl they are completely in sync with enUS |
| 13:24.57 | PixelWarrior | spine crawlers still cost 100 minerals? |
| 13:24.59 | ckknight | hey all |
| 13:25.03 | vjeux | hey ckknight |
| 13:25.09 | ckknight | hey Grum, you haven't been in here before |
| 13:25.34 | vjeux | oh btw, the chinese map is done by yuggren on the forums, he made an english version of it |
| 13:25.47 | PixelWarrior | awesome |
| 13:25.48 | ckknight | ch-ch-ch-chinaman! |
| 13:25.51 | vjeux | http://rapidshare.com/files/371846113/Contra_v1.1_Final_enUS.s2ma |
| 13:25.52 | Grum | ckknight: lurking for a week now orso :) |
| 13:25.54 | PixelWarrior | does he speak english? |
| 13:25.58 | ckknight | Grum: okay |
| 13:26.40 | Grum | was figuring out what i could best start on :D |
| 13:26.41 | vjeux | he speaks english, not the best english out there but at least he can be understood :) |
| 13:26.53 | PixelWarrior | =D |
| 13:26.54 | PixelWarrior | nice |
| 13:27.08 | vjeux | what was your video link PixelWarrior |
| 13:27.08 | PixelWarrior | we can talk to him in galaxy lol |
| 13:27.14 | vjeux | lol |
| 13:27.45 | PixelWarrior | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrh7_ZsLD2A |
| 13:28.18 | vjeux | thanks |
| 13:28.28 | vjeux | going to make a small video of the english version and add both vids |
| 13:29.35 | vjeux | lool, there is a cheat on the map when you say "UpUpDownDownLeftRightLeftRightBABA" |
| 13:29.50 | PixelWarrior | lol atari |
| 13:29.52 | PixelWarrior | wat does it do |
| 13:30.00 | vjeux | it gives you 31 lifes |
| 13:30.07 | PixelWarrior | THERE ARE LIVES? |
| 13:30.14 | vjeux | seems so |
| 13:30.14 | PixelWarrior | FML |
| 13:30.19 | vjeux | looks like you reborn when you die |
| 13:30.23 | PixelWarrior | i did it with 1 life |
| 13:30.27 | PixelWarrior | i didnt know i could die |
| 13:31.51 | vjeux | that's because you are not talking chinese :p |
| 13:31.57 | PixelWarrior | lol |
| 13:40.33 | vjeux | ok ... it's better in english :p |
| 13:41.02 | ckknight | are maps properly localizable? |
| 13:42.12 | ckknight | because CurseForge (i.e. SC2Mapster) has a localization system |
| 13:42.29 | ckknight | that I cold rig to import and export in the correct format for SC2 |
| 13:45.51 | PixelWarrior | yes they are |
| 13:46.21 | PixelWarrior | maps have xxXX.SC2Data folders for every language |
| 13:46.29 | PixelWarrior | and u can define strings |
| 13:46.49 | ckknight | has anyone made any documentation on this? |
| 13:48.06 | Fisker | slaps ckknight around a bit with a large trout |
| 13:48.12 | Fisker | caboom |
| 13:49.49 | PixelWarrior | vj |
| 13:49.59 | PixelWarrior | wheres yuggs english version of contra? |
| 13:50.08 | PixelWarrior | i wanna snoop around its localisation files |
| 13:53.09 | ckknight | paste em up on paste.sc2mapster.com when you get em. |
| 13:53.11 | vjeux | http://rapidshare.com/files/371846113/Contra_v1.1_Final_enUS.s2ma |
| 13:53.36 | PixelWarrior | im confused wen he says final |
| 13:55.58 | vjeux | <This version is the final version |
| 13:56.03 | vjeux | there won't be other I guess |
| 13:56.17 | vjeux | without too much Bug will cease to continue to update this map |
| 13:56.18 | PixelWarrior | =( i was kinda hoping he would continue lol |
| 13:56.19 | vjeux | :p |
| 13:56.29 | vjeux | For enthusiasts who wish to continue to update the maps, please join the QQ group (group number: 66348042) to contact me |
| 13:56.53 | PixelWarrior | wow there are QQ groups now? |
| 13:57.05 | PixelWarrior | i havent used that thing in years |
| 14:05.01 | PixelWarrior | someone should add <KillResource /> to the unitdata.xml on the site |
| 14:05.08 | vjeux | go for it :p |
| 14:05.16 | PixelWarrior | i dont know how /cry |
| 14:05.23 | vjeux | go to that page |
| 14:05.27 | vjeux | click the edit button |
| 14:05.29 | vjeux | gg you are set up |
| 14:05.48 | PixelWarrior | but theres no edit button |
| 14:05.49 | PixelWarrior | for me |
| 14:06.00 | PixelWarrior | dw |
| 14:06.03 | PixelWarrior | ifound it |
| 14:06.07 | PixelWarrior | im just noob at wikis |
| 14:11.51 | Repo | Knowledge base page update: http://www.sc2mapster.com/api-docs/game-files/xml/unit-data-xml/ by PixelWarrior |
| 14:12.04 | PixelWarrior | woah thats scary |
| 14:12.15 | PixelWarrior | it comes up here instantly lol |
| 14:13.34 | vjeux | big brother is watching you! |
| 14:15.29 | PixelWarrior | vj u know how u said on ur posts that u use invisible units with max vision to see the entire map |
| 14:16.12 | PixelWarrior | cant u instead fiddle with the fog of war? |
| 14:16.31 | Repo | New map: http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/contra/. Contra. yuggren (Manager/Author). Approved by vjeux. |
| 14:16.45 | vjeux | maybe |
| 14:16.52 | vjeux | haven't touched the fog of war things yet |
| 14:32.52 | vjeux | http://vimeo.com/10670234 |
| 14:33.07 | vjeux | I want a website that provide instant video conversion -_- |
| 14:34.10 | ckknight | Vimeo Plus? |
| 14:34.56 | vjeux | don't want to pay for that :p |
| 14:35.54 | PixelWarrior | im editing the xmls outside and adding them in using the mpq editor |
| 14:36.12 | PixelWarrior | i changed some fog values... but i didnt see any difference |
| 14:41.14 | vjeux | ckknight: http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/contra/ could you make <<youtube and <<vimeo make videos of the same size please |
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| 14:49.53 | Labmonkey1 | hi |
| 14:50.24 | vjeux | hey |
| 14:50.57 | vjeux | you should check out this map: http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/contra/ |
| 14:52.19 | PixelWarrior | i wonder how to do a shared or global skill cooldown |
| 14:54.25 | vjeux | cooldown shared between multiple units? |
| 14:54.29 | PixelWarrior | no |
| 14:54.38 | PixelWarrior | between multiple skills on single unit |
| 14:55.40 | vjeux | I see |
| 15:00.51 | Labmonkey1 | can somebody help me with heroes |
| 15:00.55 | Labmonkey1 | mine isn't gaining any xp |
| 15:01.03 | vjeux | yup |
| 15:01.20 | vjeux | what's your xml so far (paste it on paste.sc2mapster.com) |
| 15:01.26 | Labmonkey1 | <CBehaviorVeterancy id="HeroLevelStatus"> |
| 15:01.26 | Labmonkey1 | <VeterancyLevelArray MinVeterancyXP="100"/> <!-- Level 1 --> |
| 15:01.26 | Labmonkey1 | <VeterancyLevelArray MinVeterancyXP="200"/> <!-- Level 2 --> |
| 15:01.27 | Labmonkey1 | <VeterancyLevelArray MinVeterancyXP="400"/> <!-- Level 3 --> |
| 15:01.27 | Labmonkey1 | <VeterancyLevelArray MinVeterancyXP="800"/> <!-- Level 4 --> |
| 15:01.27 | Labmonkey1 | <VeterancyLevelArray MinVeterancyXP="1600"/> <!-- Level 5 --> |
| 15:01.27 | Labmonkey1 | <VeterancyLevelArray MinVeterancyXP="3200"/> <!-- Level 6 --> |
| 15:01.28 | Labmonkey1 | <VeterancyLevelArray MinVeterancyXP="6400"/> <!-- Level 7 --> |
| 15:01.28 | Labmonkey1 | <VeterancyLevelArray MinVeterancyXP="12800"/> <!-- Level 8 --> |
| 15:01.29 | Labmonkey1 | <VeterancyLevelArray MinVeterancyXP="25600"/> <!-- Level 9 --> |
| 15:01.29 | Labmonkey1 | <XPFraction index="Kills" value="1"/> <!-- Kill gives *1 XP --> |
| 15:01.30 | Labmonkey1 | </CBehaviorVeterancy> |
| 15:01.30 | Labmonkey1 | that's behavior |
| 15:02.08 | Labmonkey1 | in the unit I put |
| 15:02.10 | Labmonkey1 | <BehaviorArray Link="HeroLevelStatus"/> |
| 15:02.16 | Labmonkey1 | and |
| 15:02.17 | Labmonkey1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:02.22 | Labmonkey1 | I get a level bar, but no xp |
| 15:02.33 | Labmonkey1 | is there anything else I gata do? |
| 15:04.01 | vjeux | you have to add <KillXP value="10" /> in the mob you are killing |
| 15:04.08 | Labmonkey1 | yea |
| 15:04.10 | Labmonkey1 | they have that |
| 15:04.14 | vjeux | hmm |
| 15:04.39 | Labmonkey1 | wait |
| 15:04.42 | Labmonkey1 | no they don'tlol |
| 15:04.45 | Labmonkey1 | hold on |
| 15:05.25 | Labmonkey1 | oh and im fairly sure that <DamageDealtXP value="1"/> and <DamageTakenXP value="1"/> give xp for being in combat (Getting and being attacked) |
| 15:05.32 | Labmonkey1 | was in the chineese hero demo thing |
| 15:07.12 | vjeux | :p |
| 15:07.15 | Labmonkey1 | see I shared information |
| 15:07.16 | Labmonkey1 | :P |
| 15:07.49 | vjeux | DamageDealt and DamageTaken are modifiers for xp gained when taking/giving damages |
| 15:11.31 | Repo | New announcement: http://www.sc2mapster.com/announcements/contra-patch-diff-mwcomsimgoakrozsm/ |
| 15:15.03 | PixelWarrior | what do u mean by modifiers? |
| 15:15.33 | vjeux | KillXP * XPFraction(Kills) = RewardedXP |
| 15:15.46 | vjeux | by default XPFraction(*) = 0 |
| 15:16.13 | PixelWarrior | killxp sits with the unit being killed |
| 15:16.28 | vjeux | yes |
| 15:16.28 | PixelWarrior | oh |
| 15:16.32 | PixelWarrior | so the more damage u do to that unit |
| 15:16.37 | PixelWarrior | the more xp u gain? |
| 15:16.40 | vjeux | yes |
| 15:17.03 | PixelWarrior | eg, us 2 are killing an ultralisk with 100 hp, u do 80 and i do 20 |
| 15:17.10 | PixelWarrior | whole thing gives 100 |
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| 15:17.20 | PixelWarrior | it would be 100 * 0.8 for u |
| 15:17.23 | PixelWarrior | yeaH? |
| 15:17.38 | vjeux_ | hm, got disconnected, what did you say before 100*0.8 |
| 15:17.57 | PixelWarrior | eg, us 2 are killing an ultralisk with 100 hp, u do 80 and i do 20 |
| 15:18.04 | PixelWarrior | whole thing gives 100 xp |
| 15:18.44 | vjeux_ | there is a <DamageDealtXP value="1" /> (not sure that's the exact name) |
| 15:18.52 | vjeux_ | it does not depend on KillXP |
| 15:21.33 | PixelWarrior | im not sure how this maths works |
| 15:21.36 | PixelWarrior | slightly confused |
| 15:21.54 | vjeux_ | not sure either about DealtXP |
| 15:21.56 | vjeux_ | you should try :) |
| 15:22.05 | PixelWarrior | yeah later |
| 15:22.09 | PixelWarrior | gota get my assignment done |
| 15:23.04 | vjeux | ok |
| 15:23.15 | vjeux | anyway your video got newsed :p |
| 15:23.22 | PixelWarrior | yeah i saw |
| 15:23.24 | PixelWarrior | thx |
| 15:23.24 | vjeux | Grum: check out the nws |
| 15:23.27 | vjeux | news |
| 15:26.21 | Grum | huzaa |
| 15:27.32 | PixelWarrior | hey vj, can i start a map project and keep it private for now |
| 15:28.04 | vjeux | don't know, you should ask ckknight for that |
| 15:28.33 | vjeux | Labmonkey1: congratulation you are the #1 map on nibbits :) |
| 15:28.57 | ckknight | PixelWarrior: just make it experimental. It won't show up in the listing, only if you link it to people. |
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| 15:29.43 | PixelWarrior | awesome |
| 15:29.56 | ckknight | it will be linked once here in IRC, though |
| 15:29.56 | JademusSreg | What is awesome today? |
| 15:29.57 | ckknight | on approval |
| 15:30.07 | ckknight | experimental projects, JademusSreg |
| 15:30.15 | vjeux | JademusSreg: check out the nws |
| 15:30.17 | vjeux | news |
| 15:31.48 | vjeux | ckknight: http://forums.sc2mapster.com/development/map-development/287-new-so-about-blizzcons-ghost-map-how-hard-is-this-in/#p5 |
| 15:31.59 | vjeux | the => (view text) icon links to a 404 |
| 15:32.04 | vjeux | http://forums.curseforge.com/development/map-development/287-new-so-about-blizzcons-ghost-map-how-hard-is-this-in/?post=1 |
| 15:36.46 | JademusSreg | I suspect you may be able to attach spine crawlers to an ultralisk (or omegalisk, since its assets are in the mpqs) using turrets. |
| 15:37.03 | PixelWarrior | mate, its the UBERlisk |
| 15:37.07 | JademusSreg | It should also give them independant attacks. |
| 15:37.17 | JademusSreg | I know what the uberlisk is. |
| 15:37.27 | JademusSreg | But there are assets for an Omegalist unit. |
| 15:37.36 | JademusSreg | *Omegalisk |
| 15:37.59 | PixelWarrior | ooooo! |
| 15:38.17 | PixelWarrior | that video wasnt very clear |
| 15:38.35 | JademusSreg | So if someone would like to get some screenshots of the omegalisk model, that would be great. |
| 15:38.38 | PixelWarrior | i couldnt tell if the little feet of the spine crawler were visible |
| 15:39.01 | JademusSreg | Me neither. |
| 15:39.15 | vjeux | we nearly had 2k visitors yesterday :) people keep coming to sc2mapster, that's really great |
| 15:39.45 | JademusSreg | I need to get back to my tasks. Water balloons don't fill themselves. |
| 15:39.49 | vjeux | lol |
| 15:39.53 | Labmonkey1 | hi |
| 15:40.22 | Labmonkey1 | anybody wana play me in sc2? |
| 15:41.18 | PixelWarrior | gladly, but i need beta key LOL |
| 15:41.59 | *** part/#sc2mapster newbiz (~newbiz@LRouen-151-72-7-131.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 15:42.47 | vjeux | PixelWarrior: add yourself in the http://averageurl.com/sc2/ |
| 15:43.19 | vjeux | (Need a key tab) |
| 15:43.44 | PixelWarrior | oh |
| 15:43.54 | PixelWarrior | cool |
| 15:44.13 | vjeux | we are trying to get keys to active people on the mapping community |
| 15:47.01 | PixelWarrior | thx dude |
| 15:51.40 | Fisker | nicoli_s |
| 15:51.44 | Fisker | what do you need replays for? |
| 15:52.26 | ckknight | vjeux: view text? |
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| 15:53.41 | vjeux | the green arrow |
| 15:53.50 | Fisker | slaps ckknight around a bit with a large trout |
| 15:54.00 | ckknight | vjeux: which one? |
| 15:54.26 | vjeux | 3rd post |
| 15:54.27 | vjeux | @Alevice: Go |
| 15:55.30 | ckknight | hmm |
| 15:57.20 | ckknight | weirdness |
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| 16:03.34 | Hati | hi |
| 16:04.05 | vjeux | hey Hati |
| 16:05.30 | Hati | let's see what happened last 3 days :p |
| 16:05.46 | vjeux | we've been stormed by chinese people :p |
| 16:06.01 | Hati | yea already saw abilities |
| 16:06.03 | Hati | and stats |
| 16:07.56 | vjeux | Contra map is really nice |
| 16:09.03 | PixelWarrior | apart from the slightly useless skills |
| 16:09.08 | PixelWarrior | id say its pretty polished |
| 16:09.24 | PixelWarrior | mirror image is by far the best |
| 16:09.31 | vjeux | yup |
| 16:16.04 | PixelWarrior | wow theyve named 127 different planets in starcraft |
| 16:16.13 | PixelWarrior | thats quite intense |
| 16:21.19 | vjeux | and they have to translate it into 7 different languages :p |
| 16:22.17 | PixelWarrior | trying to finish my assignment and bullshit a story for my map at the same time |
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| 16:22.40 | PixelWarrior | not working out well |
| 16:22.45 | PixelWarrior | more assignment, less bullshit |
| 16:24.59 | Bifuu | So like i had a dream that they released Galaxy and i almost jumped out of bed for it at like 6am, but then i was like, they wouldnt patch on a holiday pfft |
| 16:25.14 | PixelWarrior | LOL |
| 16:25.30 | PixelWarrior | wen u start dreaming about shit |
| 16:25.37 | PixelWarrior | thats wen u know ur slightly obsessed |
| 16:25.54 | Bifuu | id ream about everything |
| 16:26.39 | PixelWarrior | i have trouble remembering my dreams |
| 16:27.19 | vjeux | lol |
| 16:32.01 | Hati | 10 days left |
| 16:32.04 | Hati | ! |
| 16:32.29 | PixelWarrior | til? |
| 16:32.40 | vjeux | ckknight: http://forums.sc2mapster.com/development/ New - so about Blizzcon >>>'<<< s ghost map, how hard ... |
| 16:32.57 | Hati | till my guess might come true :o |
| 16:32.59 | vjeux | xD |
| 16:33.20 | Corosus | could i make a super small request for a change in the milkyway editor? |
| 16:34.02 | vjeux | the last 3 days we have gotten more visits from asia than europe and us :X |
| 16:34.24 | vjeux | asia: 2k4, us: 2k1, eu: 1k6 |
| 16:35.03 | PixelWarrior | they have more population |
| 16:35.13 | PixelWarrior | ure bound to get hit |
| 16:35.38 | Bifuu | Time to find translators hahaha |
| 16:36.11 | vjeux | I think that asian websites are not afraid of linking us because we cannot compete them |
| 16:38.13 | Corosus | request: when you guys update the Objects file in the s2ma file, could you have it add a newline after each object entry? it makes editing the objects file post saving in the editor a pain |
| 16:38.21 | Corosus | without it |
| 16:38.48 | Corosus | oddly notepad++ freaks out when its all saved on one line how it does currently |
| 16:38.48 | ckknight | vjeux: hmm |
| 16:41.40 | vjeux | nicoli_s, Sholdak (Read Corosus previous chat messages) |
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| 16:42.39 | vjeux | Corosus: meanwhile you can replace ">" by ">\n\t" with regex activated |
| 16:43.48 | Corosus | yeah rgr that :D, that should help |
| 16:44.11 | nicoli_s | which ones? |
| 16:44.36 | Corosus | after unit tags mostly |
| 16:44.36 | nicoli_s | ahh yeah, can do that corosus |
| 16:44.55 | Corosus | cool thanks :D |
| 16:45.01 | nicoli_s | will get that in for the next actual release, which might be tonight if i can get testing of the new object stuff in game |
| 16:45.20 | nicoli_s | Corosus: have you done any work with the spawn, or patrolpoint tags in the objects file? |
| 16:45.21 | Corosus | cool |
| 16:45.37 | Corosus | yeah, spawnpoints but not patrol points |
| 16:46.02 | Corosus | i better be carefull with my ids on my added minerals, my non unique id ones dont show up in editor :D |
| 16:46.06 | Bifuu | My cat just rulled around in a bunch of Pollen, does that make him the biggest alergin on 4 legs? |
| 16:47.03 | Corosus | the spawnpoints should be easy to show in the GUI image, you'd just have to parse the point tags name subtag |
| 16:47.56 | Corosus | for this starlauncher in particular it seems to accept any id for the start location points |
| 16:48.19 | Corosus | bit of a grey area there, with all this sc2 launcher competition still going on |
| 16:50.04 | Corosus | its a bitch making maps compatible in multiple launchers |
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| 16:55.50 | nicoli_s | yep |
| 16:56.08 | nicoli_s | what did you do with the spawn points btw? did you succeed in making a unit respawn? |
| 16:56.20 | nicoli_s | and like is it a sub element of unit? or its own stand alone entry? |
| 16:58.50 | nicoli_s | and yeah before i get this new release out, ill get in fixing of non-unique objects |
| 16:58.51 | Corosus | err lol, im reffering to startlocations not spawnpoints, my bad |
| 16:58.58 | nicoli_s | ahh ok |
| 16:59.21 | nicoli_s | well im stuck without a way to test, so check out http://code.google.com/p/vgce/source/browse/trunk/docs/Blizzard/Starcraft%20II/mapObjectXML.txt and see if you can get it working :P |
| 16:59.55 | nicoli_s | im pretty sure the spawn tag is a child of Unit, then maybe just try putting one for all the values |
| 17:08.23 | Corosus | gives it a try |
| 17:08.30 | nicoli_s | awesome, thx :) |
| 17:08.52 | nicoli_s | if my theories are correct, youll already be able to edit it via MWE in the property grid |
| 17:10.30 | Bifuu | wait wait wait you place cameras like objects!? |
| 17:10.35 | nicoli_s | yep |
| 17:11.02 | vjeux | Bifuu: do you have some minutes to spend making a documentation for the Objects file in the wiki? |
| 17:11.36 | Bifuu | yeah i can do that |
| 17:11.39 | nicoli_s | i wouldnt be surprised if there is a field in the mapinfo for making a player start with a certain camera |
| 17:11.50 | nicoli_s | just like you can with the starting loations |
| 17:12.06 | Bifuu | Only other thing im doing it trying to explain to my girlfriend i cant afford to see her, you know nothing too big hahaha |
| 17:12.07 | Corosus | hmm yeah theres still a lot of unknowns in the mapinfo file |
| 17:12.20 | Bifuu | note to self, never date chicks that live in vacation spots |
| 17:12.29 | Corosus | lol |
| 17:12.30 | Corosus | D: |
| 17:12.35 | nicoli_s | i think at least one spot of the player block is team info |
| 17:12.44 | nicoli_s | just that the ll method of launching maps doesnt work with it right |
| 17:13.28 | Bifuu | yeha apparently getting a hotel and flying to San Juan PR is expensive in may =D |
| 17:14.48 | Bifuu | is there already an Object file on the wiki? |
| 17:14.51 | vjeux | nop |
| 17:15.18 | Repo | Knowledge base page update: http://www.sc2mapster.com/api-docs/game-files/maps/ by vjeux |
| 17:15.20 | vjeux | here you go |
| 17:15.35 | Bifuu | lol i was about to put that there too |
| 17:17.13 | Bifuu | <PlacedObjects version="26"> whats version? lolive always just ignored that |
| 17:17.33 | Hati | dunno maybe smth like version control for blizzard |
| 17:18.10 | nicoli_s | for when they change the format id imagine |
| 17:18.16 | Bifuu | thats what i think too but it also doesnt make sense then to have it in user maps too |
| 17:18.24 | Hati | well |
| 17:18.26 | Bifuu | the wa |
| 17:18.36 | Hati | if you make maps with GE - i guess you have to upload them to b.net2 |
| 17:18.38 | Hati | to share them |
| 17:18.47 | Bifuu | true.. |
| 17:18.47 | Hati | guessing there will be something like version-control |
| 17:18.50 | nicoli_s | well even for user maps, i an say "only use the capabilities of ersion 26" |
| 17:18.57 | nicoli_s | it could say* |
| 17:20.10 | Corosus | hmm, adding the spawn tag inside of the unit tag doesnt seem to do much, but its probably because im not even using the values right: |
| 17:20.16 | Corosus | <Spawn diff="999" chance="1" respawnChance="1" respawnTime="1" /> |
| 17:20.22 | Corosus | inside of <Unit id="999" position="45.5,28.5,0" scale="1,1,1" player="1" unitType="Mutalisk"> |
| 17:20.39 | Hati | spawn is for behavior iirc |
| 17:22.26 | Corosus | hmm, strange, yeah the diff value i dont quite understand |
| 17:23.23 | Corosus | should it belong inside the unit tag though? or on its own? |
| 17:23.26 | nicoli_s | hati: this is inside the map objects xml |
| 17:23.38 | nicoli_s | put 1 for diff maybe |
| 17:23.44 | Corosus | k |
| 17:24.02 | Corosus | well it didnt crash the game at least |
| 17:24.03 | Corosus | :D |
| 17:28.04 | Hati | oh ok :P |
| 17:29.06 | nicoli_s | i gues to see if it works, maybe try setting the chance to 0 |
| 17:29.15 | Corosus | hmm, <Spawn diff="1" chance="1" respawnChance="1" respawnTime="1" /> this doesnt work |
| 17:29.20 | Corosus | nor this <Spawn diff="1" chance="100" respawnChance="100" respawnTime="1" /> |
| 17:29.29 | Corosus | ill try that next |
| 17:29.38 | Hati | chance is 0-1 |
| 17:29.41 | Hati | in all files |
| 17:29.43 | Corosus | rgr |
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| 17:29.50 | nicoli_s | it might be spawn isnt inside of unit then, hmmm |
| 17:29.55 | monoframe | Any new findings, dear comrades?! |
| 17:30.00 | Hati | but i dunno if you can type in 100/100 |
| 17:30.02 | nicoli_s | i wish i knew how to get in contact with the vgce guy |
| 17:30.51 | nicoli_s | cuz he had to have had some way to put together these tags, as they arent all next to each other in the string dump |
| 17:30.58 | nicoli_s | so he might know how they are nested |
| 17:31.01 | Corosus | hmm yeah |
| 17:31.29 | Corosus | his google username is deathknight13579@aim.com |
| 17:31.30 | Corosus | might help |
| 17:31.43 | vjeux | nicoli_s: got his msn |
| 17:32.04 | vjeux | that's the aim address just posted by Corosus |
| 17:32.05 | nicoli_s | have you talked to him before vjeux? |
| 17:32.07 | vjeux | yup |
| 17:32.27 | vjeux | he is no longer working on sc2, he is rebuilding sc1 from scratch atm |
| 17:32.32 | nicoli_s | oh wow |
| 17:32.41 | nicoli_s | well if you see him on, can you ask him about that? |
| 17:32.50 | vjeux | sure |
| 17:33.01 | nicoli_s | thx |
| 17:33.01 | PixelWarrior | ... |
| 17:33.01 | PixelWarrior | why would u rebuild sc1? |
| 17:33.07 | vjeux | because you can |
| 17:33.13 | Corosus | hes the bwapi guy as well i guess |
| 17:33.15 | PixelWarrior | fair enough |
| 17:35.41 | Corosus | yeah still no luck on this working |
| 17:37.28 | Bifuu | errrr is it just me or is giving the attribute Rotation to a Point kinda stupid? |
| 17:38.18 | monoframe | say you might want the point to have a child attachment |
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| 17:38.27 | Hati | closing sc2 - win7 says no |
| 17:38.30 | monoframe | see were I'm leaning |
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| 17:39.08 | Bifuu | i guess |
| 17:39.43 | monoframe | But anyways, how to force a unit constantly perform one animation? instead of using default Stand |
| 17:39.44 | monoframe | ? |
| 17:39.56 | monoframe | Using ActorData.xml comes to mind |
| 17:40.04 | vjeux | you may want to edit the Model.m3h |
| 17:40.17 | PixelWarrior | try actor firswt |
| 17:40.24 | PixelWarrior | i think u can loop 1 animation |
| 17:40.42 | monoframe | as modeldata.xml and unitdata.xml don't feature stringsets for this kind of behavior |
| 17:41.13 | monoframe | Oh, and can facing be changed using ActorData? |
| 17:41.17 | Hati | <Fidget> in Unitdata? |
| 17:41.26 | monoframe | The model I'm using is not registered in unitdata.xml file |
| 17:41.38 | monoframe | as the feature's hardcoded into the game |
| 17:41.43 | PixelWarrior | custom model? |
| 17:41.44 | Hati | ah ok |
| 17:41.54 | monoframe | well, no, default Gravitron Beam model |
| 17:42.01 | monoframe | I want it to be reversed |
| 17:42.03 | monoframe | wait |
| 17:42.08 | monoframe | I'll get a screen to show ya |
| 17:42.10 | monoframe | if I have one |
| 17:42.59 | monoframe | here |
| 17:43.00 | monoframe | http://img547.imageshack.us/img547/6834/screenshot.jpg |
| 17:43.10 | monoframe | See the Observer Missile, it has an attachment |
| 17:43.17 | monoframe | of the same Gravitron Beam |
| 17:43.23 | monoframe | looks silly to use it in front of it |
| 17:43.27 | monoframe | I want it to be backwards |
| 17:44.23 | PixelWarrior | u want it to be shooting out of the observers ass> |
| 17:44.29 | nicoli_s | oh well thx anyways corosus, maybe we'll have more luck when we can talk to the guy who fond all those |
| 17:44.45 | Corosus | yeah, glad i could help at least :D |
| 17:44.52 | monoframe | bottom region tbe |
| 17:45.36 | nicoli_s | hes not online now is he vjeux? |
| 17:45.49 | vjeux | nop |
| 17:45.54 | nicoli_s | mmk |
| 17:46.54 | vjeux | monoframe: the screenshot looks really cool ;) |
| 17:47.00 | monoframe | it sucks |
| 17:47.03 | monoframe | don't flatter me |
| 17:47.12 | monoframe | I wanted the attachment to be Zealot's Charge effect |
| 17:47.18 | monoframe | but couldn't find the model :( |
| 17:47.26 | monoframe | looked through all of xmls |
| 17:47.31 | monoframe | no linkage whatsoever |
| 17:47.35 | monoframe | and it's not model animated |
| 17:47.44 | monoframe | So I'm really stumped |
| 17:47.45 | nicoli_s | so Corosus, i thought about it, what if diff is difficulty level? |
| 17:47.54 | PixelWarrior | i thought it would be model animated! |
| 17:47.56 | PixelWarrior | =( |
| 17:47.56 | vjeux | for the AI? |
| 17:48.06 | nicoli_s | well just what the map's diff level is set as |
| 17:48.18 | nicoli_s | so you can have spawns that only show up on higher difficulty |
| 17:48.37 | monoframe | well, Pixel, from what I've gathered looking into the model, it had no links to Textures that would resemble the effect |
| 17:48.38 | nicoli_s | pretty sure they had that in wc3 maps with creeps |
| 17:48.50 | monoframe | so it seems, the effect is not animated model-wise |
| 17:48.59 | PixelWarrior | point me? |
| 17:49.00 | nicoli_s | but im off hiking, later fellas |
| 17:49.01 | PixelWarrior | imma take a look |
| 17:49.08 | monoframe | There are two model |
| 17:49.09 | monoframe | s |
| 17:49.12 | vjeux | later |
| 17:49.13 | PixelWarrior | cya mate |
| 17:49.15 | monoframe | regular Zealot |
| 17:49.18 | monoframe | and ZealotPlacement |
| 17:49.25 | monoframe | don't know what the second's used for though |
| 17:49.32 | PixelWarrior | placement sounds like wen u ward the dude in |
| 17:49.44 | monoframe | "ward"? |
| 17:49.47 | PixelWarrior | warp |
| 17:49.59 | PixelWarrior | from warpgate |
| 17:50.13 | PixelWarrior | the pew pew cool boxy matrix affect |
| 17:50.22 | monoframe | There's already model for it |
| 17:50.25 | monoframe | ZealotWarpIn |
| 17:50.32 | PixelWarrior | damn it |
| 17:51.00 | PixelWarrior | ahhhh lemme go loo |
| 17:51.30 | Hati | anyone knows if there is currently another launcher using some kind of 'patch' files? |
| 17:52.00 | Hati | like: you have original files (xml's) but have your custom things in seperate ".xml.patch" files? |
| 17:52.55 | monoframe | Oh you want to be able to select individual mods? |
| 17:53.08 | monoframe | Or what? |
| 17:53.26 | Hati | no i just hate to have huge useless text where i have to search always my own things :P |
| 17:53.30 | Hati | so yes |
| 17:54.10 | vjeux | Hati: you can just add your custom changes in the map .xml files |
| 17:55.05 | vjeux | but since the incremental reading is buggy for array, we chose to add the full xml file inside the map and blank files inside the patch.mpq |
| 17:55.25 | vjeux | http://forums.sc2mapster.com/development/map-development/209-mpq-problems/ |
| 17:55.25 | Hati | kk |
| 17:55.31 | vjeux | read that for more informations |
| 17:56.11 | PixelWarrior | wasnt there an .m3 viewer? |
| 17:58.47 | PixelWarrior | ok |
| 17:58.54 | PixelWarrior | i just opened the zealot placement .m3 |
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| 17:59.05 | zeerti | so like I discovered something |
| 17:59.09 | zeerti | and hello all |
| 17:59.16 | PixelWarrior | wat did u find |
| 17:59.18 | vjeux | hey |
| 17:59.26 | zeerti | <AffectedUnitArray value="Battlecruiser" /> |
| 17:59.26 | zeerti | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:59.26 | zeerti | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:59.26 | zeerti | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:59.36 | zeerti | all 3 types of the BC could be easily enabled... :O |
| 17:59.56 | PixelWarrior | hurricane? |
| 18:00.15 | zeerti | wait a minute... wtf? |
| 18:00.21 | zeerti | 3rd hidden mode discovered! |
| 18:00.37 | zeerti | must have been a thing they were testing at one point in time |
| 18:00.46 | PixelWarrior | =) |
| 18:00.49 | PixelWarrior | hmm |
| 18:01.06 | zeerti | no hurricane was the ground barrage of misisles |
| 18:01.10 | zeerti | err lazerz |
| 18:01.21 | zeerti | did aoe damage to group |
| 18:01.25 | zeerti | ground* |
| 18:03.20 | Repo | New knowledge base page: http://www.sc2mapster.com/api-docs/game-files/maps/objects/ by Bifuu |
| 18:03.57 | vjeux | nice |
| 18:04.04 | Repo | Knowledge base page update: http://www.sc2mapster.com/api-docs/game-files/maps/objects/ by Bifuu |
| 18:04.09 | Bifuu | about all i could figure out |
| 18:04.24 | Bifuu | half the nodes listed on that other site i have no clue where they go |
| 18:06.40 | vjeux | add the source at the bottom of the article / comment please :) |
| 18:06.56 | Bifuu | oh ya |
| 18:07.47 | Corosus | nicoli_s, hey yeah that would make perfect sense |
| 18:08.33 | Repo | Knowledge base page update: http://www.sc2mapster.com/api-docs/game-files/maps/objects/ by Bifuu |
| 18:08.34 | Bifuu | fixt |
| 18:08.47 | PixelWarrior | mono, i have no idea, i opened all the model files in 3d studio max |
| 18:08.50 | zeerti | ~love |
| 18:08.51 | purl | BABY DON'T HURT ME, DON'T HURT ME, NO MORE |
| 18:08.55 | PixelWarrior | and .... couldnt really figure out anything |
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| 18:09.52 | vjeux | hey newbiz |
| 18:09.56 | newbiz | hey |
| 18:10.18 | JademusSreg | Tose refer to the different Battlecruiser specializations that were in the alpha build. |
| 18:10.19 | vjeux | you should try the contra map :) |
| 18:10.35 | newbiz | the contra map ? |
| 18:10.39 | vjeux | http://www.sc2mapster.com/ |
| 18:10.39 | PixelWarrior | yes |
| 18:10.42 | PixelWarrior | THE CONTRA MAP |
| 18:10.45 | zeerti | the fucking contra map is awesome |
| 18:10.50 | JademusSreg | Response to zeerti from a half hour ago. |
| 18:10.57 | newbiz | ah, the one by the chinese guy ? |
| 18:11.05 | vjeux | yu |
| 18:11.05 | vjeux | p |
| 18:11.58 | zeerti | Jade: I was just stating that it might be fairly easy to enable them back |
| 18:12.03 | JademusSreg | The battlecruiser specializations are not in the game data, so there are no hidden modes to discover sadly. |
| 18:12.23 | zeerti | damn |
| 18:12.34 | JademusSreg | Those values are unit ids that no longer have entries defined for them. =( |
| 18:12.42 | zeerti | gay |
| 18:13.03 | monoframe | Like Blizzard would clean after themselves.. |
| 18:13.11 | JademusSreg | The UpgradeData.xml is the poorly updated data in the whole game. |
| 18:13.24 | JademusSreg | *is the most poorly update |
| 18:13.30 | Hati | grml level restriction ... something weird |
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| 18:14.26 | monoframe | oh and pixel, I've used notepad to find nothing of value in Zealot models :P |
| 18:14.36 | JademusSreg | You can see all sorts of things Blizzard had planned in the alpha that has since been removed by checking the UpgradeData. |
| 18:14.56 | zeerti | so i've been noticing haha |
| 18:21.16 | zeerti | <CUpgrade id="VikingJotunBoosters"> |
| 18:21.19 | zeerti | what the hell is that? |
| 18:21.30 | JademusSreg | It's for Viking missile range. |
| 18:21.34 | JademusSreg | While in fighter mode. |
| 18:21.54 | zeerti | fighter mode is flying right? |
| 18:21.55 | monoframe | JOTUN...What were the guys at Blizzard thinking when creating names? |
| 18:21.58 | JademusSreg | Yeah. |
| 18:22.29 | monoframe | oh look |
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| 18:22.30 | monoframe | Jötunn, a giant in Norse mythology |
| 18:22.37 | monoframe | Still makes no sense |
| 18:22.40 | JademusSreg | Makes sense. |
| 18:22.52 | JademusSreg | Vikings, Norse mythology. |
| 18:22.57 | zeerti | derp lol |
| 18:23.01 | monoframe | DURR HURR |
| 18:23.14 | monoframe | Vikings in space |
| 18:23.16 | monoframe | ya right |
| 18:23.29 | JademusSreg | More accurately, Teutonic. Butt whutevah |
| 18:24.06 | zeerti | where can I find the texture for when a units cloaks? |
| 18:24.15 | zeerti | that clear blue texture |
| 18:24.36 | Hati | did i missed something for Level-Restriction for skills? Requirement, RequirementNode, UnitData(Behavior), Behavior ? |
| 18:24.37 | JademusSreg | In the game assets? Or do you need a specific path? |
| 18:24.51 | zeerti | path :) |
| 18:25.03 | JademusSreg | Did you check either the chinese map or Levi's mod? |
| 18:25.08 | JademusSreg | (Hati) |
| 18:25.11 | Hati | yea |
| 18:25.55 | Hati | and yes i changed the validator behavior |
| 18:26.00 | monoframe | zeerti, open up model in Notepad |
| 18:26.26 | monoframe | and then use search function |
| 18:26.38 | monoframe | to find the texture links |
| 18:26.49 | monoframe | Just enter "Asset" in the search box |
| 18:27.02 | zeerti | where is the model? lol |
| 18:27.05 | monoframe | That's what I do, when in need to find textures the model uses |
| 18:27.15 | monoframe | Well, what unit cloaks itself ?:P |
| 18:27.23 | monoframe | or wait |
| 18:27.25 | zeerti | Ghoast |
| 18:27.35 | zeerti | banshee |
| 18:27.36 | monoframe | I think it's an effect, not maintained by a texture |
| 18:27.41 | zeerti | really? |
| 18:27.44 | monoframe | or maybe |
| 18:27.51 | zeerti | I figured it was both |
| 18:27.53 | monoframe | You see, Mothership has field-cloaking effect |
| 18:27.59 | JademusSreg | Check this? I don't have a viewer: Assets/Textures/cloakblobtile.dds |
| 18:28.17 | monoframe | and I scrolled through some protoss, non-cloaking models |
| 18:28.35 | monoframe | looked at textures, there were none cloaking-wise |
| 18:28.48 | monoframe | So I guess, the texture is not model-bound |
| 18:29.00 | monoframe | Is used through xmls as an effect/buff whatever |
| 18:29.14 | JademusSreg | Heh, may be defined by actor. |
| 18:29.33 | Grum | cloak is most likely a simple shader |
| 18:29.37 | monoframe | ActorData is SO tricky :| |
| 18:29.48 | monoframe | Grum, there are clear texture marks |
| 18:29.55 | monoframe | of course, shaders are used |
| 18:29.58 | JademusSreg | Yeah, it is. But we'll need to master it in the near future. |
| 18:29.59 | monoframe | coupled with textures |
| 18:30.08 | JademusSreg | Especially anyone who wants to add custom content. |
| 18:30.12 | Grum | oh yeah you have the 'cloaked but visible' state as well |
| 18:30.26 | zeerti | thats the one I'm talking about grum |
| 18:30.32 | zeerti | like how your own units look cloaked |
| 18:31.51 | zeerti | I just can't find it. I wanted to edit it so that it had a red/green hue instead of that lightblue. |
| 18:35.14 | PixelWarrior | why are all the dds files i open orange? |
| 18:35.46 | monoframe | zeerti, look for ProtossCloakingEffect.m3 |
| 18:35.46 | monoframe | :P |
| 18:36.03 | zeerti | alright. where would I look under? |
| 18:36.14 | zeerti | this is the first time i've searched for textures |
| 18:36.35 | monoframe | base.SC2Assets\Assets\Effects\Protoss\ProtossCloakingEffect\ |
| 18:36.43 | zeerti | ty |
| 18:37.47 | monoframe | the same one which was speficied by ajde |
| 18:37.49 | monoframe | jade* |
| 18:37.54 | zeerti | ah |
| 18:37.59 | monoframe | But Protoss' of course |
| 18:38.00 | zeerti | alright give me a sec to find it |
| 18:38.24 | zeerti | fml the one time I forget to bring my flash drive. |
| 18:38.33 | zeerti | guess I have to wait tell I go home lol. |
| 18:40.44 | PixelWarrior | has anyone else opened .dds textures in photoshop? |
| 18:40.57 | Corosus | yeah |
| 18:40.59 | zeerti | yeah what do they look like? lol |
| 18:41.06 | PixelWarrior | they look orange to me |
| 18:41.14 | PixelWarrior | well u can see that its the texture |
| 18:41.20 | PixelWarrior | but just in different shades of orange |
| 18:41.31 | monoframe | Tried opening in another program? |
| 18:41.42 | PixelWarrior | nope |
| 18:41.45 | PixelWarrior | i only have photoshop |
| 18:41.53 | monoframe | You don't have image viewer? |
| 18:42.04 | Corosus | do you have the right plugin for photoshop i assume? |
| 18:42.21 | PixelWarrior | i got the plugin from nvidia |
| 18:42.21 | Corosus | ive only opened up the dds files used in the loading screens, they load fine |
| 18:42.21 | Hati | some1 knows where this attribute ( <Count Link="Rupture" State="InProgressOnlyAtUnit"/> ) in RequirementNode.xml the links refers to? |
| 18:42.21 | monoframe | Cause using photoshop to open and look at pictures would be the last thing I would lean to do. |
| 18:42.26 | zeerti | http://pixlr.com/editor/ |
| 18:42.31 | zeerti | someone try using that site to open dds |
| 18:42.51 | zeerti | its an online free editor very very close to photoshop |
| 18:42.56 | Corosus | cant, doesnt have extension allowed |
| 18:43.06 | zeerti | damn |
| 18:43.14 | Corosus | awesome editor though wow :D |
| 18:43.18 | zeerti | :) |
| 18:43.18 | JademusSreg | I wonder if dds is supported by my version of photoshop. |
| 18:43.27 | zeerti | maybe? |
| 18:43.28 | zeerti | lol |
| 18:43.32 | Corosus | http://developer.nvidia.com/object/photoshop_dds_plugins.html |
| 18:43.40 | Corosus | ^- i used that with photoshop and all is well |
| 18:43.41 | zeerti | what kind of benefits do DDS have? |
| 18:43.52 | PixelWarrior | btw i opened the protosscloaking effect |
| 18:43.59 | zeerti | what does it look like? |
| 18:44.00 | PixelWarrior | and its like a carrier next to a box |
| 18:44.06 | zeerti | LOL |
| 18:44.08 | monoframe | Hati, this' what I've found |
| 18:44.10 | monoframe | 00087: <CRequirementCountBehavior id="CountBehaviorRuptureInProgressOnlyAtUnit"> |
| 18:44.10 | monoframe | 00088: <Count Link="Rupture" State="InProgressOnlyAtUnit"/> |
| 18:44.10 | monoframe | 00090: <CRequirementCountBehavior id="CountBehaviorRuptureQueuedOrBetterAtUnit"> |
| 18:44.10 | monoframe | 00091: <Count Link="Rupture" State="QueuedOrBetterAtUnit"/> |
| 18:44.11 | monoframe | Â |
| 18:44.18 | monoframe | the numbers represent lines |
| 18:44.25 | PixelWarrior | box to carrier ratio: 5:1 |
| 18:44.30 | monoframe | all in RequirementsNodeData |
| 18:44.34 | Hati | yea this is out of RequirementNode.xml |
| 18:44.37 | monoframe | other files don't have "rupture" in it |
| 18:44.46 | monoframe | so It's hardcoded into the game |
| 18:44.47 | Hati | but i do not know where the Link refers to |
| 18:44.54 | JademusSreg | Ah, yep. |
| 18:45.05 | monoframe | there are no links in other files |
| 18:45.12 | monoframe | I've searched using WindowsGrep |
| 18:45.58 | JademusSreg | And now I remember that I used to work with dds when I was modding Civ4. |
| 18:48.56 | JademusSreg | This is good news. Very good news. |
| 18:49.36 | PixelWarrior | yeah thats the plugin that i installed |
| 18:49.38 | JademusSreg | However, has anyone developed an application for reading m3 yet? |
| 18:49.45 | PixelWarrior | yes |
| 18:50.05 | monoframe | ZING! |
| 18:50.08 | PixelWarrior | sc2mapster site has .m3 plugin for 3D studio max |
| 18:50.12 | PixelWarrior | which im using |
| 18:50.29 | zeerti | 3D studio max... hmmm :) |
| 18:50.37 | PixelWarrior | 2010 |
| 18:50.37 | zeerti | I want |
| 18:50.40 | zeerti | but idk how to get it lol |
| 18:50.59 | JademusSreg | Which version of max? |
| 18:51.25 | PixelWarrior | 2010 |
| 18:51.32 | JademusSreg | Oh, great. |
| 18:51.32 | monoframe | The current version |
| 18:51.48 | monoframe | You can get the trial at the developer's website, but only after you registerd alul |
| 18:52.11 | JademusSreg | That's a hell of a lot better than the version ~3 you needed to mod wc3 models and use blizzard tools. |
| 18:52.30 | monoframe | Jade, you need version 5 |
| 18:52.47 | monoframe | well, that's the most up-to-date version Blizzard Tools supports |
| 18:52.50 | monoframe | without going apeshit |
| 18:52.56 | JademusSreg | Pirate first, pay later (if it's worth it). |
| 18:53.23 | zeerti | blizzard tools? |
| 18:53.42 | monoframe | A plugin for 3DSMax which allows to open, edit and export .mdx models |
| 18:53.47 | JademusSreg | No, I mean that in reference to pretty much any program. |
| 18:53.55 | JademusSreg | Or movie, or game... |
| 18:54.03 | monoframe | Model format used by WarCraft 3 |
| 18:55.01 | JademusSreg | Seems I misunderstood; the question wasn't directed at pirating statement. |
| 18:55.32 | JademusSreg | brb |
| 19:01.00 | PixelWarrior | maybe theyre supposed to be just a bump map |
| 19:01.15 | PixelWarrior | like theyre supposed to be orange |
| 19:01.45 | monoframe | Pixel, the correct texture is _spec, just remove the alpha to fully see it |
| 19:01.51 | monoframe | as in Specular |
| 19:02.52 | monoframe | Uhm, Have a question... The default Unit's Visual Sight is a Circle, with an editable Radius value (bigger, lesser view sight). Can we employ other figures, not just circles? Or maybe even use textures as masks to indicate what kind of figure we want to be used as unit's view sight, scalable of course. |
| 19:02.56 | PixelWarrior | yay |
| 19:03.43 | PixelWarrior | maybe not masks, but i imagine u might be able to do some maths and make it a frontal cone |
| 19:03.55 | monoframe | Say the unit only sees what's infront of him, so we could just make a 3/4 crop of a circle |
| 19:04.04 | monoframe | but if I would like to use a rectangle? |
| 19:04.17 | monoframe | Won't push it out of a circle |
| 19:04.28 | monoframe | Or even more complex figures? |
| 19:04.35 | PixelWarrior | i duno man, doesnt seem like a masking kind athing |
| 19:04.46 | PixelWarrior | but what would i know, im probabl wrong |
| 19:05.09 | Hati | really weird oO |
| 19:18.17 | zeerti | so then what shape do you have to use? |
| 19:18.20 | zeerti | :O |
| 19:18.40 | PixelWarrior | ?? |
| 19:19.12 | zeerti | idk you guys were talking about circles and shapes :) |
| 19:19.24 | zeerti | i'm just trying to fit into where I have no idea what is going on lol |
| 19:19.40 | PixelWarrior | lol |
| 19:19.49 | PixelWarrior | mono wants custom field of vision |
| 19:19.55 | zeerti | OH |
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| 19:20.07 | zeerti | I thought you were talking about textures |
| 19:20.11 | PixelWarrior | we were |
| 19:20.22 | zeerti | well i'm confused now. |
| 19:20.24 | zeerti | lol |
| 19:20.28 | PixelWarrior | textures is over |
| 19:20.38 | PixelWarrior | we moved onto vision |
| 19:20.55 | PixelWarrior | mono is hoping to use masks |
| 19:21.12 | zeerti | is it possible to have a custom FOV? |
| 19:21.18 | PixelWarrior | im leaning towards a pure maths model, so theres limited shapes u can have |
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| 19:21.31 | zeerti | woah |
| 19:21.48 | PixelWarrior | i think u can adjust the vision by doing a bit of maths to have it as a frontal cone |
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| 19:22.13 | zeerti | right |
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| 19:25.15 | Iggyhopper | omg the contra map. |
| 19:25.27 | zeerti | where?! |
| 19:25.46 | Iggyhopper | it doesnt use WeaponLinkDisableArray actions, it just switches units. :\ |
| 19:26.05 | PixelWarrior | explain? |
| 19:26.24 | Iggyhopper | <CAbilMorph id="SwitchWeapon2"> |
| 19:26.28 | Iggyhopper | <InfoArray Unit="Contra2"/> |
| 19:26.35 | Iggyhopper | thats how they do it |
| 19:26.41 | PixelWarrior | so we have 3 heroes |
| 19:26.49 | Iggyhopper | yes |
| 19:26.49 | PixelWarrior | each one with a different gun? |
| 19:27.07 | PixelWarrior | very interesting approach |
| 19:27.22 | PixelWarrior | gut feeling says its not the best method though |
| 19:27.28 | Iggyhopper | it would be much easier to use a <BehaviorArray stuff="HaveSwitchWeapon"/> |
| 19:27.40 | Iggyhopper | then in the behavior |
| 19:28.14 | Iggyhopper | have something like... <WeaponLinkDisableArray stuff="Weapon1"/> for all three weapons. |
| 19:28.31 | Iggyhopper | then, <Modification> <Weapon Link="newWeapon"/> |
| 19:28.38 | monoframe | iggy, you would also have to use ActorData.xml file |
| 19:28.49 | monoframe | to deploy, when the weapon change should come |
| 19:28.54 | monoframe | I mean show |
| 19:28.54 | Iggyhopper | i didnt |
| 19:28.55 | monoframe | S: |
| 19:29.05 | Iggyhopper | it would change the icon of the attack |
| 19:29.10 | Iggyhopper | i made a video of it |
| 19:29.18 | Iggyhopper | all i did was change the bahaviour and unit |
| 19:29.50 | PixelWarrior | can we attach models to unit models? ie changing guns would change gun model |
| 19:30.07 | Iggyhopper | I don't know. When we get the editor I'm sure we can. |
| 19:30.34 | Iggyhopper | I tried some guess attributes. <Attachment val="unit" x=0 y=0/> |
| 19:30.39 | Iggyhopper | <AttachProp |
| 19:30.50 | Iggyhopper | nothing worked. |
| 19:32.04 | Iggyhopper | PixelWarrior: Hello, who are you? |
| 19:32.25 | PixelWarrior | who? |
| 19:32.26 | Iggyhopper | You mod? Map? |
| 19:32.35 | PixelWarrior | i plan to |
| 19:32.43 | Iggyhopper | sc1 fan? more war3? both? |
| 19:33.03 | zeerti | why we? talk liek dis? |
| 19:33.11 | PixelWarrior | more so wc3 |
| 19:33.11 | PixelWarrior | my friends raped me too hard in sc1 to leave a fond memory |
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| 19:33.12 | zeerti | ;) |
| 19:33.14 | Iggyhopper | i dunno? its fun? |
| 19:33.22 | Iggyhopper | oh gawrd |
| 19:33.24 | Iggyhopper | rawr |
| 19:35.04 | PixelWarrior | u working on map also? |
| 19:35.11 | Iggyhopper | yes |
| 19:35.12 | Iggyhopper | somewhat |
| 19:35.45 | PixelWarrior | im still in the process of writing up the game design document more than anything else |
| 19:36.53 | PixelWarrior | anyway im going be |
| 19:36.53 | PixelWarrior | bed |
| 19:36.54 | PixelWarrior | gnite |
| 19:37.57 | Iggyhopper | hey guys |
| 19:38.14 | Iggyhopper | u all suck and have terrible terrible damage |
| 19:39.34 | Hati | something is seriously missing ... |
| 19:39.43 | Iggyhopper | What is that? |
| 19:40.01 | Hati | dunno ... somehow he isn't require the level correctly ... |
| 19:43.04 | zeerti | what if he was? |
| 19:43.11 | zeerti | MT |
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| 19:43.35 | ckknight | so, doubles, anyone? |
| 19:43.45 | zeerti | doubles? |
| 19:44.26 | ckknight | 2v2s |
| 19:44.34 | zeerti | if only I was home |
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| 19:50.06 | zeerti | sixen gtfo :) |
| 19:50.26 | debug| | Wtfack. |
| 19:50.33 | zeerti | what? |
| 19:50.40 | zeerti | shocked I knew it was you? |
| 19:51.09 | sixen-debug | :P |
| 19:53.02 | sixen-debug | Any idea what vjeux wanted? |
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| 19:54.02 | sixen-debug | Vjeux! |
| 19:54.06 | vjeux | hey! |
| 19:54.32 | zeerti | vjeux! |
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| 20:12.45 | vjeux | Grr, I'm really stuck for my TD, I can't find a way to prevent user from blocking ... |
| 20:13.54 | Hati | is there a list of Compare values for ValidatorData? |
| 20:14.01 | Hati | i mean GT = Greater Than etc. |
| 20:14.07 | Hati | saw it somewhere but can't remember where |
| 20:14.26 | vjeux | LT, LE, GT, GE, EQ, NE |
| 20:14.46 | Hati | GT = > or >= ? |
| 20:14.55 | vjeux | > |
| 20:14.57 | Hati | kk |
| 20:14.58 | vjeux | GE >= |
| 20:14.59 | zeerti | Vjeux have a unit (invincible) run the path. There should be a function for "Command stopped" or something like that. What will happen is if the unit cannot reach the end point he will stop all actions. Make it so when that happens it then tells him to attack instead of move. |
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| 20:15.31 | zeerti | only solution I can think of. |
| 20:18.34 | zeerti | let me know if that works Vjeux |
| 20:18.40 | zeerti | or something similar to it. |
| 20:19.03 | vjeux | working on it |
| 20:22.29 | sixen-debug | Hrm? |
| 20:22.47 | Hati | Hrmrmrmr |
| 20:23.07 | sixen-debug | Can't you just set the collision path higher, or whatever? |
| 20:23.46 | zeerti | how would that help? |
| 20:24.26 | Hati | aah |
| 20:24.44 | Hati | DisableValidatorArray - just 'disables' - makes sense :P |
| 20:36.45 | Bifuu | lol i just noticed Vj finally got his @ =P |
| 20:38.48 | Hati | yay |
| 20:38.54 | Hati | behavior is removed correctly o.O |
| 20:39.10 | zeerti | vjeux is gone now |
| 20:39.12 | zeerti | great lol |
| 20:42.40 | ckknight | so I'm playing SC2 with my brother |
| 20:42.43 | ckknight | my brother's not very good |
| 20:42.48 | ckknight | in the end, it turned into a 1v2 pretty much |
| 20:42.50 | ScytheBlade1 | Sounds like shirik |
| 20:42.51 | ckknight | since he did nothing |
| 20:42.54 | ckknight | I won, btw |
| 20:42.59 | ckknight | zergling rushed |
| 20:43.00 | ckknight | :P |
| 20:43.03 | ckknight | 6pool woo |
| 20:43.04 | Grum | you play platinum? :p |
| 20:43.04 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 20:43.19 | ScytheBlade1 | He used to, then I started sucking |
| 20:43.19 | ScytheBlade1 | :/ |
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| 20:46.29 | Corbo | hai |
| 20:48.24 | Hati | hi |
| 20:51.17 | Hati | hmm |
| 20:51.28 | Corbo | ? |
| 20:51.30 | Hati | the behavior expires correctly ... but the abilitiy is still available |
| 20:52.08 | zeerti | available as in the icon is there or available as in you can use it? |
| 20:52.22 | Hati | both |
| 20:52.26 | Hati | it is learnable* |
| 20:53.38 | zeerti | try removing the icon |
| 20:53.47 | zeerti | as a temp fix |
| 20:53.54 | zeerti | on both the unit and where it is buildable |
| 20:54.18 | zeerti | if you still can't berid of the ability to use it change where it is researched from to like a zerg building. |
| 20:54.31 | zeerti | assuming its a toss or terran building it comes from. |
| 20:58.37 | Hati | it is not buildable :P |
| 20:58.47 | Hati | but yea that would fix it ... but i would like the other waay |
| 21:16.02 | ckknight | anyone up for doubles? |
| 21:16.04 | ckknight | ScytheBlade1? |
| 21:16.30 | Hati | hmm |
| 21:17.36 | ScytheBlade1 | busy atm |
| 21:17.38 | ScytheBlade1 | give me 45-50 |
| 21:17.43 | Hati | CRequirementCountBehavior - does it returns true if 1 or more Behaviors are applied? |
| 21:17.55 | ckknight | ScytheBlade1: okay. |
| 21:22.28 | ckknight | JademusSreg: how about you? |
| 21:29.15 | Hati | you are on US servers ckk? |
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| 21:47.28 | Corbo | how do rss feeds work? |
| 21:47.52 | ScytheBlade1 | 1) They update 2) Your client checks for updates, and if found, displays them |
| 21:48.10 | ScytheBlade1 | Think a .txt file that you're continually refreshing. Same idea, little nicer implimentation |
| 21:48.14 | Corbo | but I mean |
| 21:48.22 | Corbo | how do I make them uh.. be rss |
| 21:48.22 | Corbo | :P |
| 21:48.39 | ScytheBlade1 | http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/rss/rss.html |
| 21:48.47 | ScytheBlade1 | http://www.rss-specifications.com/ |
| 21:48.49 | ScytheBlade1 | is probably better |
| 21:49.55 | Hati | someone already figured whats the difference between <Node index="Show" ...> and <Node index="Use" ...> ? |
| 21:50.00 | Hati | in RequirementData.xml |
| 21:52.48 | JademusSreg | Someone catch me up. ckknight asked for something? |
| 21:52.55 | ckknight | nah, don't worry |
| 21:53.47 | JademusSreg | Alright. Back to lurking and afkness. |
| 22:06.06 | Hati | hmmm |
| 22:06.41 | gregv21 | what is the difference |
| 22:06.47 | gregv21 | ? |
| 22:06.57 | nicoli_s | lol |
| 22:07.06 | Hati | still not working :( |
| 22:09.21 | nicoli_s | what are you working on hati? |
| 22:10.10 | Shirik | fu ScytheBlade1 |
| 22:10.13 | Shirik | I get disconnected once :( |
| 22:10.23 | Hati | trying to get Level-Req. for abilities working |
| 22:10.27 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 22:10.30 | Hati | but something is wrong ._. |
| 22:11.07 | Hati | Have a Behavior - this expires/is removed if hero gains level 6 |
| 22:11.39 | Hati | but for some reason the requirement don't return false if behavior is present |
| 22:11.43 | Hati | and true otherwise |
| 22:13.46 | Hati | and as far as i know there's no ApplyBehavior |
| 22:15.15 | nicoli_s | um theres an effectApplyBehavior |
| 22:15.31 | nicoli_s | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:15.31 | nicoli_s | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:15.31 | nicoli_s | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:15.31 | nicoli_s | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:15.51 | Hati | yea but not for Validators |
| 22:15.56 | nicoli_s | ahh |
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| 22:16.14 | Hati | <RemoveValidatorArray value="GTELv6"/> |
| 22:16.23 | Hati | <CValidatorUnitCompareVeterancyLevel id="GTELv6"> |
| 22:16.24 | Hati | <Compare value="LT"/> |
| 22:16.24 | Hati | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:16.54 | Hati | works fine as said ... removes the Behavior/Buff at lv6 |
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| 22:17.48 | Bifuu | Rofl at sixen's forum post cencoring Salty's name |
| 22:20.39 | Hati | but i guess it's something wrong with it still ... |
| 22:21.01 | Hati | just tried it ... if my unit would have Techlab attached |
| 22:21.13 | Hati | he would be able to learn - without he isn't :o |
| 22:28.43 | *** join/#sc2mapster Thels (~info@ip3e83cdbc.speed.planet.nl) |
| 22:28.48 | Thels | :o |
| 22:28.52 | Thels | large channel |
| 22:31.22 | ScytheBlade1 | surprise! |
| 22:31.31 | Thels | :) |
| 22:35.15 | Hati | dare you requirements! |
| 22:35.17 | Hati | dare you |
| 22:36.16 | Thels | requirements? |
| 22:36.35 | Thels | there's anti-hack stuff in the way? |
| 22:38.26 | Fisker | nicoli_s |
| 22:38.28 | Fisker | you are there |
| 22:43.58 | nicoli_s | yes? |
| 22:45.35 | Fisker | oh but you are |
| 22:45.44 | Fisker | what do you need replays for? |
| 22:47.18 | ckknight | anyone up for doubles? |
| 22:47.29 | Thels | doubles? |
| 22:47.32 | ckknight | welcome, Thels |
| 22:47.37 | Thels | hi |
| 22:47.37 | ckknight | 2v2s |
| 22:47.59 | Thels | 'sbeen a while since I was checking out the editing community |
| 22:48.10 | ckknight | ScytheBlade1: up for doubles? |
| 22:48.11 | nicoli_s | fisker: i did need them when i was analyzing the file format, no need now |
| 22:48.16 | nicoli_s | well welcome thels |
| 22:48.19 | ckknight | Thels: yea, we've made a pretty good community here. |
| 22:48.22 | Fisker | oh my nicoli_s |
| 22:48.24 | Thels | indeed, nice |
| 22:48.30 | ScytheBlade1 | ckknight: sorry, heh. Let me grab some drugs and I'll reboot |
| 22:48.33 | Thels | Seems you guys are right on the balls |
| 22:48.38 | ckknight | ...drugs? |
| 22:48.44 | ckknight | Thels: *thumbs up* |
| 22:48.44 | ScytheBlade1 | migraine |
| 22:48.47 | ckknight | ah. |
| 22:48.57 | ScytheBlade1 | I purchased 320 pills today. |
| 22:49.19 | Thels | In case anyone recalls (prolly not, since it was over a decade ago), I was Sir Galahad from Camelot Systems :P |
| 22:49.29 | ckknight | hmm |
| 22:49.31 | ScytheBlade1 | Very few people here were SC1 modders |
| 22:49.39 | Thels | I guess |
| 22:49.44 | ScytheBlade1 | No, really |
| 22:49.45 | ScytheBlade1 | I've asked |
| 22:49.45 | ckknight | I made one or two SC1 maps, that's about it, though |
| 22:49.46 | Thels | I was around mostly BEFORE SC1, tho |
| 22:50.00 | Thels | Warcraft II is where I did most of my work on |
| 22:50.08 | ckknight | hehe, cool |
| 22:50.11 | Thels | I know every in and out of what can be done with Warcraft II :P |
| 22:50.13 | ckknight | I remember modding Warcraft II |
| 22:50.15 | ckknight | ah, Wardraft |
| 22:50.19 | ckknight | those were the days. |
| 22:50.19 | Thels | however pointless that's nowadays |
| 22:50.45 | ckknight | well, this community is a meritocracy, so grab a brush and help out! |
| 22:50.48 | Thels | However, what kind of frustrates me, is the separate server system of Blizzard |
| 22:50.59 | ckknight | how do you mean? |
| 22:51.01 | ScytheBlade1 | Thels: see spreadsheet in the topic |
| 22:51.02 | ScytheBlade1 | He's EU |
| 22:51.06 | ScytheBlade1 | Most of us are US |
| 22:51.07 | ckknight | ah |
| 22:51.11 | ckknight | yea |
| 22:51.20 | ckknight | I want to play with my evil European brethren |
| 22:51.24 | Thels | I'm not exactly sure, but from what I can tell, you can't log the US servers with an EU copy, right? |
| 22:51.31 | ScytheBlade1 | nope |
| 22:51.31 | ckknight | ScytheBlade1: I played doubles with my CEO, we got into platinum league. |
| 22:51.33 | Thels | That's totally shitty of them |
| 22:51.39 | ckknight | Thels: yea. |
| 22:51.41 | ScytheBlade1 | SI is in the beta, btw |
| 22:51.52 | Thels | Ah |
| 22:51.53 | ScytheBlade1 | Might want to hit him up if you haven't already |
| 22:51.59 | Thels | maybe I should hook him up |
| 22:52.01 | *** join/#sc2mapster art[] (~art@adsl-99-190-82-34.dsl.klmzmi.sbcglobal.net) |
| 22:52.10 | Thels | though I haven't talked to him in what, 6-7 years |
| 22:52.16 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 22:52.32 | Thels | I did went to visit him once, tho |
| 22:52.35 | ScytheBlade1 | nice |
| 22:52.41 | Thels | stayed at his place for a week or so in 2002 |
| 22:52.49 | art[] | si? |
| 22:52.51 | nicoli_s | if you find any other cool modders of sc2 thels, feel free to bring them here |
| 22:52.54 | ScytheBlade1 | you know SI :P |
| 22:53.00 | art[] | i missed the first part |
| 22:53.05 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh |
| 22:53.06 | ScytheBlade1 | So you did |
| 22:53.11 | ScytheBlade1 | 18:51 < ScytheBlade1> SI is in the beta, btw |
| 22:53.12 | Thels | art=Artanis? |
| 22:53.13 | ScytheBlade1 | ^ first part |
| 22:53.15 | art[] | =] |
| 22:53.54 | art[] | yea thels |
| 22:54.38 | ckknight | so who will make the first WoW map in SC2? |
| 22:54.44 | ckknight | casts Flash of Light |
| 22:54.45 | ckknight | :P |
| 22:54.47 | Thels | lol |
| 22:54.48 | ScytheBlade1 | ckknight: die |
| 22:54.48 | Thels | zzz |
| 22:54.53 | ScytheBlade1 | also brb while I take said drugs |
| 22:54.58 | Thels | Split server made sense for WoW |
| 22:55.01 | Thels | not for SC II |
| 22:55.04 | ckknight | did you reboot yet, ScytheBlade1? |
| 22:55.18 | ScytheBlade1 | No |
| 22:55.21 | Thels | means that if I make like an awesome custom map, I can't even play it with my old modding community buddies |
| 22:55.23 | ScytheBlade1 | These guys started talking and I'm like |
| 22:55.26 | ScytheBlade1 | "hey I know them!" |
| 22:55.29 | Thels | not without buying the game twice |
| 22:55.37 | nicoli_s | well im sure theyll say its for the better of the "comunity" thels |
| 22:55.37 | ScytheBlade1 | incidentially, we're all in the same channel on another network :p |
| 22:55.43 | nicoli_s | and the "always on experience" |
| 22:56.00 | ckknight | and server latency issues |
| 22:56.01 | Thels | nicoli_s> Sucks, tho |
| 22:56.06 | ckknight | very much |
| 22:56.12 | Thels | Well, yeah, server latency makes sense |
| 22:56.15 | Thels | but still |
| 22:56.15 | ckknight | if I choose to explicitly play with EU friends, I should be able to. |
| 22:56.23 | ScytheBlade1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:56.24 | ScytheBlade1 | rebooting |
| 22:56.24 | nicoli_s | exactly |
| 22:56.38 | Thels | I mean, the way they did it in SC1 and War3 was fine |
| 22:56.49 | Thels | choose the server you wish to play on during login |
| 22:57.40 | ckknight | yea. |
| 22:57.52 | ScytheBlade1 | tbh that sucked |
| 22:58.00 | ScytheBlade1 | just merge them |
| 22:58.12 | ScytheBlade1 | matchmaking and custom games default to same region |
| 22:58.13 | Thels | not really |
| 22:58.15 | ckknight | but I don't want to play with the Koreans |
| 22:58.24 | art[] | i do |
| 22:58.28 | ScytheBlade1 | give a button for cross-region |
| 22:58.33 | ckknight | what's the worst racial slur for Koreans? (that doesn't also apply to the Chinese/Japanese/etc.) |
| 22:58.45 | ckknight | what'd the soldiers call them in the Korean war? |
| 22:59.12 | art[] | looks like gook originated with koreans |
| 22:59.12 | Thels | ScytheBlade1> it's also where the servers are based |
| 22:59.26 | ckknight | art[]: yea, but that's tied to Vietnamese now |
| 22:59.27 | ScytheBlade1 | Thels: anycasting will solve that great |
| 22:59.28 | Thels | Diablo 1 early days was a laggy mess |
| 23:00.16 | art[] | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_slurs |
| 23:00.23 | art[] | wikipedia, helpful as always |
| 23:00.28 | ckknight | apparently "Buckethead" |
| 23:00.28 | ckknight | how is that a bad slur? |
| 23:00.28 | ckknight | bah. |
| 23:00.28 | ckknight | I'll never be gosu. |
| 23:01.59 | Thels | btw, do you guys patch the MPQ files directly? |
| 23:02.12 | ckknight | Thels: .s2ma files are MPQs. |
| 23:02.15 | ckknight | so, yes, in effect |
| 23:02.22 | Thels | ah, yeah |
| 23:02.32 | Thels | forgot about that part |
| 23:02.42 | Thels | gimme good old .puds |
| 23:02.51 | Thels | well, not really, but you catch my drift |
| 23:03.00 | art[] | lol |
| 23:03.00 | ckknight | hehe |
| 23:03.58 | ckknight | I demand blood! |
| 23:05.12 | Thels | Seems quite a few things are possible already |
| 23:05.21 | ScytheBlade1 | ckknight: loading now |
| 23:05.50 | Thels | but I guess I'll wait until GE is out, since everything will change, then |
| 23:06.00 | ckknight | why wait? |
| 23:06.00 | ckknight | :P |
| 23:06.13 | Thels | like, what can really feasibly be done now |
| 23:06.21 | Thels | we can't really edit terrain and all, can we? |
| 23:06.40 | Thels | And I don't want to do some simple stuff, I wanna do big stuff |
| 23:07.07 | Thels | I've made a couple of popular SC1 maps, but that required quite an extended amount of editing |
| 23:07.21 | Thels | won't be done anywhere soon, so might as well wait for the editor, not? |
| 23:07.28 | Thels | or... |
| 23:07.39 | Thels | Btw, is it possible to make custom multiplayer maps? |
| 23:07.43 | Thels | or are they all single player? |
| 23:07.58 | Corosus | yeah lack of terrain editing is quite limiting |
| 23:08.57 | art[] | =[ |
| 23:09.13 | Thels | Also, the game itself doesn't support everything yet, does it? |
| 23:09.20 | art[] | is anyone actively working on figuring out the terrain format? |
| 23:09.49 | Corosus | i remember someone was trying to pick apart the heightmap file, so maybe |
| 23:10.42 | Thels | Seems the chinese are ahead on heroes? |
| 23:12.52 | gregv21 | i whish they had items |
| 23:15.27 | Thels | So, how does one start? |
| 23:15.44 | Thels | to play a map, I guess we can't just DL it, since it won't show directly into the game, or will it? |
| 23:29.05 | ScytheBlade1 | ckknight: ... |
| 23:29.11 | ckknight | lag |
| 23:29.18 | ScytheBlade1 | 30s left |
| 23:29.25 | ScytheBlade1 | 20 |
| 23:29.35 | ScytheBlade1 | 10 |
| 23:29.36 | ckknight | I see myself lagging. |
| 23:29.46 | ScytheBlade1 | and it is over. |
| 23:30.05 | ckknight | :( |
| 23:31.32 | Thels | uhm |
| 23:31.36 | Thels | where are the default maps? |
| 23:31.45 | Thels | do you need to extract them from the .mpq's first? |
| 23:31.53 | ScytheBlade1 | downloaded |
| 23:31.57 | ScytheBlade1 | to my docs |
| 23:31.59 | ScytheBlade1 | as needed |
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| 23:33.27 | Thels | I only have hardtile.bin files |
| 23:40.54 | ckknight | ScytheBlade1: lag |
| 23:43.12 | Alevice | hihi |
| 23:47.51 | ckknight | hey Alevice |
| 23:49.12 | Alevice | sup |
| 23:55.02 | ScytheBlade1 | woo. |
| 23:55.18 | ckknight | ScytheBlade1: sc2 crashed |
| 23:55.32 | Alevice | hmmm? |
| 23:58.34 | ScytheBlade1 | ckknight: won |
| 23:58.39 | ckknight | awesome! |
| 23:58.58 | ScytheBlade1 | observer ftw |
| 23:59.05 | ScytheBlade1 | saw their xpac |
| 23:59.09 | ScytheBlade1 | colossus ate it |
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