IRC log for #sc2mapster on 20100402

`00:14.12`	`Genopath`	`anyone here?`
`00:14.16`	`Genopath`	`anyone up for some 2v2?`
`00:14.57`	`ckknight`	`Genopath: when I get home`
`00:15.05`	`ckknight`	`which shouldn't be too long now`
`00:15.32`	`Genopath`	`kk`
`00:15.35`	`Genopath`	`il wait`
`00:16.52`	`ckknight`	`play a game or two on your own`
`00:21.15`	`Sholdak`	`ckknight: i can't seem to commit xml files to svn :/`
`00:21.19`	`Sholdak`	`any way to fix that?`
`00:21.23`	`ckknight`	`I respectfully disagree`
`00:21.25`	`ckknight`	`what's it say?`
`00:21.43`	`Sholdak`	`1 sec`
`00:23.32`	`Sholdak`	`'pre-commit' hook failed with error output:`
`00:23.36`	`Sholdak`	`Please set the svn:eol-style property on the following files:`
`00:23.40`	`Sholdak`	`<PROTECTED>`
`00:23.49`	`Sholdak`	`If you don't know what the property does, set it to 'native'.`
`00:24.31`	`Repo`	`10milkywayedit: 03Sholdak * r53 Tools/SC2MapEditor/SC2MapEditor/Galaxy.xml: Commit test`
`00:24.32`	`Sholdak`	`ok when i do what it says`
`00:24.34`	`Sholdak`	`it works`
`00:24.40`	`Sholdak`	`still that's wierd`
`00:25.19`	`Repo`	`10milkywayedit: 03Sholdak * r54 Tools/SC2MapEditor/SC2MapEditor (19 files in 1 directory): - Fixed up main Form UI a bit.`
`00:25.21`	`Repo`	`- Added Texture browser (only available in RaceData for now).`
`00:25.22`	`Repo`	`- Added BehaviorData, only included CBehaviorBuff for now, does not save to map.`
`00:25.24`	`Repo`	`- Added all required DLLs and config files to project so that compiling should be easier.`
`00:27.56`	`ckknight`	`Sholdak: set svn:eol-style to native`
`00:27.59`	`ckknight`	`as it tells you`
`00:28.03`	`ckknight`	`it's not saying that xml is bad`
`00:28.50`	`Repo`	`10milkywayedit: 03Sholdak * r55 Tools/SC2MapEditor/SC2MapEditor/Form1.Designer.cs: Fix for previous commit.`
`00:28.56`	`Sholdak`	`ok`
`00:39.12`	`*** join/#sc2mapster valkrial (~stephen@S01060018f83eb1ee.pk.shawcable.net)`
`00:52.50`	`Bifuu`	`ok im back.. again... maybe`
`00:53.14`	`Sixen`	`wb :p`
`00:53.39`	`Bifuu`	`damn i was gone for an hour?`
`00:53.45`	`Bifuu`	`felt like 30 minutes`
`00:54.57`	`*** join/#sc2mapster sztanphet (~sztanpet@142.58ec54.tvnetwork.hu)`
`00:59.41`	`*** join/#sc2mapster ckknight (~ckknight@WoWUIDev/WoWAce/CurseStaff/CurseForge/ckknight)`
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`01:02.46`	`Bifuu`	`i dont have to be emo, my cat scratched me on my wrist for me`
`01:06.18`	`Bifuu`	`ok so i have the next 3 days off what to do`
`01:08.02`	`ckknight`	`anyone up for doubles?`
`01:08.21`	`Bifuu`	`i will if no one else is`
`01:08.33`	`ckknight`	`k`
`01:09.58`	`Bifuu`	`loadin now`
`01:13.48`	`*** join/#sc2mapster lapin_sc (~a@unaffiliated/lapin-sc/x-1279542)`
`01:31.57`	`*** join/#sc2mapster Corbo (~thecorbo@190.87.84.133)`
`02:20.45`	`Corbo`	`hai gais`
`02:20.48`	`Corbo`	`anyone here?`
`02:26.31`	`Bifuu`	`no`
`02:26.36`	`ckknight`	`sorry, Corbo`
`02:31.53`	`*** join/#sc2mapster FrozenFirebat (FrozenFire@cpe-76-90-39-208.socal.res.rr.com)`
`02:34.45`	`Bifuu`	`FUCK`
`02:34.58`	`Bifuu`	`i hate that shit, go to play a movie and it blows your ears out`
`02:35.07`	`*** join/#sc2mapster Corbo (~thecorbo@190.87.85.250)`
`02:37.48`	`Corbo`	`dc'd again`
`02:37.49`	`Corbo`	`blah`
`02:37.52`	`Corbo`	`anyway`
`02:38.01`	`Corbo`	`Someone else already told me a good recording program`
`02:38.24`	`Corbo`	`I'm recoding TPS gameplay vids :D`
`02:38.36`	`*** join/#sc2mapster sztanpet (~sztanpet@142.58ec54.tvnetwork.hu)`
`02:39.17`	`Sixen`	`Nice corbo :D`
`02:39.30`	`Corbo`	`I need to add some zerg units, though`
`02:39.37`	`Corbo`	`so it feels more pew pew-y`
`02:39.49`	`Sixen`	`lol`
`02:40.27`	`Corbo`	`yeah, I'll actually do that before adding the doodads`
`02:44.03`	`Corbo`	`bleeeeeeeeeeh`
`02:44.15`	`Corbo`	`I hate the way sc positions dooads`
`02:47.06`	`Genopath`	`ok i got a question`
`02:47.12`	`Genopath`	`hope i have some takers`
`02:47.15`	`*** join/#sc2mapster ckknight (~ckknight@WoWUIDev/WoWAce/CurseStaff/CurseForge/ckknight)`
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`02:47.21`	`Genopath`	`in terms of sc or sc2`
`02:47.35`	`Genopath`	`how would you measure (numerically) the level of micro in a game`
`02:48.19`	`Sixen`	`APM?`
`02:48.29`	`Genopath`	`highly correlated`
`02:48.31`	`Genopath`	`but biased`
`02:48.47`	`Genopath`	`and APM-Macro clicks of course`
`02:49.08`	`Genopath`	`but it is still really biased`
`02:49.25`	`Genopath`	`im wondering if anyone knows any other way`
`02:52.33`	`Bifuu`	`Number of hotkeys pressed? lol`
`02:52.55`	`Sixen`	`That's APM`
`02:54.09`	`Bifuu`	`well`
`02:54.17`	`Bifuu`	`APM is also Spamming right click on the ground`
`02:54.27`	`Bifuu`	`and spam selecting an SCV to hear it smack flies`
`02:56.18`	`Corbo`	`okay so`
`02:56.36`	`Corbo`	`give me zerg units`
`02:56.40`	`Corbo`	`that should be in my mod`
`02:56.42`	`Corbo`	`gogogo`
`02:57.01`	`Bifuu`	`uhh`
`02:57.03`	`Bifuu`	`qall of them`
`02:57.07`	`Corbo`	`but`
`02:57.10`	`Corbo`	`wait`
`02:57.15`	`Bifuu`	`theres more?`
`02:57.19`	`Corbo`	`no flyers actually`
`02:57.25`	`Corbo`	`or maybe one ;o`
`02:57.38`	`Corbo`	`the boss one`
`02:57.42`	`Bifuu`	`Muta should be`
`02:57.51`	`Corbo`	`I need to lower HP`
`02:57.59`	`Bifuu`	`Muta`
`02:58.01`	`Corbo`	`so the ghost snipes all of them 1hitko`
`02:58.01`	`Corbo`	`:P`
`02:58.02`	`Bifuu`	`Ultras`
`02:58.07`	`Bifuu`	`Lings and hydras all should be`
`02:58.09`	`Corbo`	`but they should also kill the ghost`
`02:58.12`	`Corbo`	`like`
`02:58.13`	`Corbo`	`quickly`
`02:58.17`	`Corbo`	`5hp`
`02:58.19`	`Corbo`	`5 hits`
`02:58.22`	`Corbo`	`unless it's acid`
`02:58.29`	`Corbo`	`if it's acid ghost should melt`
`02:58.34`	`Corbo`	`insta lose`
`02:59.59`	`Corbo`	`bleh I have to place so many units`
`03:00.15`	`Corbo`	`how do I make the ghost not attack unless you tell him to?`
`03:00.24`	`Corbo`	`mmm`
`03:00.25`	`Corbo`	`I see`
`03:01.35`	`Corbo`	`TacticalRange abd Think, right?`
`03:01.42`	`Corbo`	`i'll just take them off and see what happens`
`03:04.00`	`Bifuu`	`uhhhhh`
`03:04.08`	`Bifuu`	`Ghosts have a skill that does that`
`03:04.19`	`Bifuu`	`Just look at that and make it auto stay on`
`03:04.56`	`Corbo`	`yeah I know`
`03:10.02`	`Bifuu`	`then why did you ask!`
`03:10.23`	`Corbo`	`I talk to myself a lot of the time`
`03:10.25`	`Corbo`	`also`
`03:10.28`	`Corbo`	`I couldn't get it to work`
`03:10.29`	`Corbo`	`:P`
`03:10.38`	`Bifuu`	`lol`
`03:11.43`	`Corbo`	`what's a unit that never attacks`
`03:11.48`	`Corbo`	`even when it is attacked?`
`03:14.38`	`Corbo`	`or I can just make him use snipe down`
`03:14.42`	`Bifuu`	`Overlord? lol`
`03:15.00`	`Bifuu`	`i dont think there is an attacking unit that doesnt fight back`
`03:15.30`	`Bifuu`	`and rofl you are actually going with that name?`
`03:18.46`	`Corbo`	`what name? >.> :P`
`03:19.03`	`Corbo`	`it's easy`
`03:19.03`	`Corbo`	`it's`
`03:19.33`	`Corbo`	`MWCOMSIMGOAKROZSM`
`03:19.36`	`Corbo`	`...right?`
`03:20.56`	`Bifuu`	`yea`
`03:20.57`	`Bifuu`	`that one`
`03:24.00`	`JademusSreg`	`Have I missed anything?`
`03:28.20`	`Corbo`	`so`
`03:28.25`	`Corbo`	`any other solutions?`
`03:29.20`	`JademusSreg`	`What is the problem?`
`03:30.19`	`Corbo`	`make a unit not attack unless you tell it to`
`03:30.30`	`Corbo`	`but hold it`
`03:30.36`	`Corbo`	`I have to go dinner`
`03:31.58`	`JademusSreg`	`These two fields are useful.`
`03:31.59`	`JademusSreg`	`<PROTECTED>`
`03:31.59`	`JademusSreg`	`<PROTECTED>`
`03:32.33`	`JademusSreg`	`This is probably better:`
`03:32.34`	`JademusSreg`	`<PROTECTED>`
`03:32.34`	`JademusSreg`	`<PROTECTED>`
`03:33.02`	`JademusSreg`	`By default, units have a default acquire level of "Offensive".`
`03:33.15`	`JademusSreg`	`Hope that helps.`
`03:33.17`	`JademusSreg`	`brb`
`03:57.22`	`*** join/#sc2mapster Corbo (~thecorbo@190.87.85.250)`
`03:57.28`	`Corbo`	`so`
`03:57.32`	`Corbo`	`anyone found out a way?`
`03:57.36`	`nicoli_s`	`lapin_sc: you around?`
`03:57.50`	`JademusSreg`	`<Corbo> I have to go dinner`
`03:57.50`	`JademusSreg`	`<JademusSreg> These two fields are useful.`
`03:57.50`	`JademusSreg`	`<JademusSreg> <DefaultAcquireLevel value="Defensive"/>`
`03:57.50`	`JademusSreg`	`<JademusSreg> <Response value="Flee"/>`
`03:57.51`	`JademusSreg`	`<JademusSreg> This is probably better:`
`03:57.51`	`JademusSreg`	`<JademusSreg> <DefaultAcquireLevel value="None"/>`
`03:57.53`	`JademusSreg`	`<JademusSreg> <Response value="Nothing"/>`
`03:57.55`	`JademusSreg`	`<JademusSreg> By default, units have a default acquire level of "Offensive".`
`03:57.57`	`JademusSreg`	`<JademusSreg> Hope that helps.`
`03:58.57`	`Corbo`	`I'll try that right now`
`04:01.41`	`Corbo`	`lool`
`04:01.43`	`Corbo`	`it works`
`04:01.48`	`Corbo`	`though the response not so much`
`04:01.53`	`Corbo`	`it flees by default I think`
`04:01.58`	`Corbo`	`where'd you find this out?`
`04:02.42`	`Corbo`	`brb`
`04:04.24`	`JademusSreg`	`Haha, I wonder why he quits instead of just being afk?`
`04:04.47`	`nicoli_s`	`who knows`
`04:04.51`	`nicoli_s`	`sixen does the same thing`
`04:05.46`	`JademusSreg`	`It makes communicating difficult. Like talking to a crow, they always fly away.`
`04:05.55`	`nicoli_s`	`hehe i like that analogy`
`04:08.18`	`Bifuu`	`Corbo changes computers alot`
`04:08.22`	`Bifuu`	`so thats prolyl what it is`
`04:08.42`	`Bifuu`	`mmm fanta`
`04:10.15`	`valkrial`	`<PROTECTED>`
`04:10.43`	`nicoli_s`	`the site seems to be down`
`04:10.51`	`nicoli_s`	`when the guy comes back ill ask him about it`
`04:11.08`	`valkrial`	`kk thanks`
`04:11.21`	`valkrial`	`what site is that? sc2mapster.com still works for me`
`04:11.34`	`nicoli_s`	`it was someone's personal site that just had a spreadsheet on it`
`04:11.39`	`valkrial`	`oh. ok`
`04:12.49`	`valkrial`	`do many people actually get keys that way? or ar my chances pretty slim?`
`04:14.01`	`Bifuu`	`http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AonLKgumHH_adGo5aDhqY2h3OUppN3p6ZVpVTV9UTHc&hl=en`
`04:14.04`	`Bifuu`	`thast the spreadsheet`
`04:14.39`	`Bifuu`	`Some people have gotten from there`
`04:18.34`	`*** join/#sc2mapster Corbo (~thecorbo@190.87.85.250)`
`04:18.36`	`valkrial`	`done. cool.`
`04:18.41`	`Corbo`	`back`
`04:20.39`	`JademusSreg`	`I lifted them off the interceptor.`
`04:21.17`	`valkrial`	`what did you lift off the interceptor/?`
`04:22.03`	`JademusSreg`	`When I first started modding the xml files, I had a unit with SCV as parent. SCVs and all workers have DefaultAcquireLevel set to Defensive and Response to Flee, so they don't attack automatically.`
`04:22.31`	`Corbo`	`but workers attack back`
`04:22.32`	`JademusSreg`	`The interceptor uses a DefaultAcquireLevel os None and Response of Nothing.`
`04:22.34`	`Corbo`	`:C`
`04:22.38`	`Corbo`	`at least drones do`
`04:22.58`	`nicoli_s`	`that might be the ai`
`04:23.15`	`JademusSreg`	`Which is why DefaultAcquireLevel should be None.`
`04:25.23`	`Corbo`	`my drones :P`
`04:26.20`	`nicoli_s`	`anyone know how to capture the printed output from a program through .net?`
`04:27.48`	`Bifuu`	`i wish`
`04:27.49`	`Bifuu`	`lol`
`04:30.12`	`Corbo`	`nope, sorry`
`04:30.14`	`Corbo`	`hai bifuu`
`04:35.08`	`Bifuu`	`?`
`04:36.06`	`Corbo`	`can't I just say hai?`
`04:36.06`	`Corbo`	`QQ`
`04:36.16`	`valkrial`	`lol shutdown`
`04:36.59`	`Bifuu`	`RR`
`04:38.45`	`Corbo`	`what's RR?`
`04:39.16`	`nicoli_s`	`woot! got syntax error checking in MWE :)`
`04:39.17`	`Bifuu`	`comes after QQ`
`04:39.46`	`Bifuu`	`nice nicoli_s`
`04:39.47`	`nicoli_s`	`lapin_sc: thx for yer app`
`04:40.39`	`nicoli_s`	`right now its just a simple error on line x popup, but still, is cool`
`04:45.10`	`nicoli_s`	`but still, itll do it when you try and launch the map`
`04:46.12`	`Bifuu`	`i might be abke ti help make specific error reporting`
`04:46.20`	`Bifuu`	`cant type fo shit`
`04:48.41`	`nicoli_s`	`i love that the editor now gives more specific error messages than the game itself :P`
`04:50.00`	`Sixen`	`(9:04:52 PM) nicoli_s: sixen does the same thing`
`04:50.13`	`nicoli_s`	`you do`
`04:50.15`	`Sixen`	`Because I won't be home for hours and I have my laptop with me. So I can login to Pidgin on my laptop`
`04:51.02`	`Sholdak`	`so i decided i'm going to generate the rest of the GameData stuff automatically`
`04:51.10`	`nicoli_s`	`nice sholdak`
`04:51.16`	`Sholdak`	`making BehaviorData by hand was too painful`
`04:51.23`	`Bifuu`	`lol`
`04:51.40`	`Bifuu`	`(now you see why im on a long ass break from documenting that shit)`
`04:51.45`	`Sholdak`	`so i'm gonna do it from the XSD`
`04:51.55`	`Sholdak`	`which is what i should have done origionally`
`04:51.57`	`nicoli_s`	`awesome idea`
`04:52.06`	`Sholdak`	`your documentation was pretty crappy btw :(`
`04:52.15`	`Sholdak`	`it's lke 70% complete`
`04:52.20`	`Sholdak`	`:p`
`04:52.27`	`Bifuu`	`Sholdak: you can download the source for my xml parser if you want, wont need much editing`
`04:52.39`	`Bifuu`	`hey`
`04:52.50`	`Bifuu`	`70% i more that what it would be if i didnt do it`
`04:52.53`	`nicoli_s`	`i committed the code for going back and forth between the raw xml btw sholdak`
`04:52.55`	`Bifuu`	`is`
`04:53.01`	`Sholdak`	`that's true`
`04:53.24`	`nicoli_s`	`pretty easy to add to other types, just need to make sure to clear all the list types when reparsing`
`04:53.32`	`Sholdak`	`yea, i saw it`
`04:53.38`	`Corbo`	`hey nicoli`
`04:53.44`	`nicoli_s`	`heya corbo`
`04:53.56`	`Sholdak`	`so i realized you can take and XML file and generate a schema in Visual Studio today`
`04:53.57`	`Corbo`	`How does MWE handles doodad placement as for now?`
`04:54.10`	`nicoli_s`	`corbo: handle how? you can add new ones/edit old ones`
`04:54.15`	`Sholdak`	`that was a huge 'shit why didnt i do this earlier' moment`
`04:54.27`	`Corbo`	`but you still have to edit the position values manually, right?`
`04:54.29`	`nicoli_s`	`it needs to be ported over to the new system sholdak hads designed though`
`04:54.44`	`Sholdak`	`nah unit/doodad placement should be fine`
`04:54.46`	`Bifuu`	`Sholdak: did you happen to save which XMLs arnt fully listed? i know you told me Unit data`
`04:54.47`	`Sholdak`	`i havent touched that`
`04:54.48`	`nicoli_s`	`corbo: yeah, you have to edit them manually, will add on movement/deletion soon`
`04:55.02`	`Corbo`	`how about a "load minimap" function`
`04:55.12`	`Corbo`	`in which minimap you can click&add new units/doodads`
`04:55.22`	`nicoli_s`	`sholdak: i mean i think the object/doodad stuff would work better using the property grid`
`04:55.27`	`Sholdak`	`oh yea`
`04:55.41`	`Sholdak`	`but as it is, it's still works alright`
`04:55.49`	`nicoli_s`	`gonna do that this weekend + moving/deletion of them`
`04:55.57`	`Sholdak`	`bifuu: you have VS2008 right?`
`04:56.19`	`Bifuu`	`yea`
`04:56.32`	`Sholdak`	`open one the XML files in there, then go to the XML menu->create schema`
`04:56.39`	`Sholdak`	`it'll give you everything you need`
`04:56.41`	`nicoli_s`	`well im off will commit syntax validation code tom`
`04:56.45`	`Bifuu`	`.........`
`04:56.52`	`Sholdak`	`you'll see what i mean`
`04:56.53`	`Bifuu`	`let me see`
`04:57.13`	`Sholdak`	`also put both Core and Liberty data in one file to get a complete one`
`04:57.25`	`Bifuu`	`yeah`
`04:58.07`	`Corbo`	`lol`
`04:58.08`	`Sixen`	`sholdak, MWE doesn't compile: Error 14 Unable to copy file "C:\Users\Kevin\Desktop\MWE\SC2MapEditor\SC2MapEditor\settings.xml" to "bin\Debug\settings.xml". Could not find file 'C:\Users\Kevin\Desktop\MWE\SC2MapEditor\SC2MapEditor\settings.xml'.SC2MapEditor`
`04:58.17`	`Sholdak`	`mm`
`04:58.17`	`Corbo`	`feels like a lot of wasted time now?`
`04:58.22`	`Sholdak`	`let me add that to the project`
`04:59.13`	`Bifuu`	`How do you combine them? just copy paste the xmls then load it?`
`04:59.32`	`Sixen`	`I'm guessing he checked the diffs and combined the diffs`
`04:59.36`	`Bifuu`	`and yes Corbo, i wish i knew this before lol`
`05:00.03`	`Repo`	`10milkywayedit: 03Sholdak * r56 Tools/SC2MapEditor/SC2MapEditor/settings.xml: Added settings.xml`
`05:00.10`	`Sholdak`	`yea just copy paste`
`05:00.11`	`Bifuu`	`this kinda makes me cry on the inside`
`05:00.16`	`Bifuu`	`no lie`
`05:00.17`	`Sixen`	`Thanks`
`05:00.29`	`Bifuu`	`you happen to know a fast way to parse through this shit too?`
`05:00.46`	`Sixen`	`uh`
`05:00.50`	`Sixen`	`When I compile, it just stops?`
`05:01.10`	`Sholdak`	`what do you mean?`
`05:01.25`	`Sixen`	`I compile & run.`
`05:01.31`	`Sixen`	`And nothing happens, it stops debugging.`
`05:01.41`	`Sixen`	`I do get this warning 3 times though: Warning1Exception has been thrown by the target of an invocation.00`
`05:01.57`	`Sholdak`	`that's fine`
`05:02.01`	`Sholdak`	`umm`
`05:02.12`	`Sholdak`	`make sure all the DLLs are there in the debug folder`
`05:02.23`	`Sholdak`	`check if MpqLib.dll is there`
`05:02.35`	`Sixen`	`yup`
`05:03.12`	`Sholdak`	`oh i know what it is`
`05:03.13`	`Sixen`	`oh...`
`05:03.16`	`Sixen`	`heh`
`05:03.19`	`Sholdak`	`open settings.xml and set path stuff there`
`05:03.21`	`Sixen`	`yeah`
`05:03.28`	`Sixen`	`we should have it prompt for path when the program loads`
`05:03.45`	`Sholdak`	`yea, it's not supposed to do that until you open a map`
`05:03.57`	`Sholdak`	`but one of us started loading things a little too early`
`05:05.01`	`Sixen`	`Hrm`
`05:05.08`	`Sixen`	`Maybe change "Settings" to "MWE Settings"`
`05:05.12`	`Sixen`	`So they don't think it's Map Settings`
`05:05.24`	`Sixen`	`Or perhaps Config`
`05:06.32`	`Sixen`	`why does it autosort Z->A?`
`05:08.16`	`Sixen`	`Bif, what are the major modding XMLs?`
`05:08.33`	`Sixen`	`Unit, Race, Behavior... Maybe Camera? Actor?`
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`05:09.49`	`JademusSreg`	`Actor, Abil, Model, Sound, Effect, Behavior, Unit, Weapon, Validtor, Requirement, RequirementNode`
`05:09.55`	`JademusSreg`	`Am I leaving any out?`
`05:10.03`	`JademusSreg`	`*Validator`
`05:10.45`	`Sixen`	`Thanks, jade :)`
`05:10.45`	`JademusSreg`	`Oh, and Upgrade, if you're into that stuff.`
`05:10.45`	`Sixen`	`Mmmm, thinking of what needs to be added to the editor.`
`05:10.50`	`Sixen`	`But sholdak, you can auto-parse this stuff?`
`05:10.54`	`Bifuu`	`basically what Jade said`
`05:12.05`	`Sholdak`	`yes`
`05:12.11`	`Sixen`	`Easily?`
`05:12.12`	`Sholdak`	`well, not quite auto`
`05:12.25`	`Sixen`	`hm?`
`05:12.27`	`Sholdak`	`i can generate a bunch of classes from the xml files`
`05:12.31`	`Sholdak`	`but then i have to edit them a bit`
`05:12.33`	`Sholdak`	`80% auto`
`05:12.45`	`Corbo`	`Actor`
`05:12.46`	`Corbo`	`Unit`
`05:12.48`	`Sixen`	`Because if we can, we should offer support for all XML files if it's that simple.`
`05:12.49`	`Corbo`	`Race`
`05:12.52`	`Corbo`	`Terrain`
`05:12.57`	`Corbo`	`Objects (for maps)`
`05:13.08`	`Corbo`	`Weapon`
`05:13.09`	`Corbo`	`Mover`
`05:13.13`	`Sholdak`	`for some files it doesn't make sense to have GUI support`
`05:13.15`	`Sholdak`	`like Terrain`
`05:13.20`	`Sholdak`	`just a bunch of numbers`
`05:13.28`	`Corbo`	`You're right`
`05:13.35`	`Corbo`	`I don't know why I mentioned terrain`
`05:13.39`	`Corbo`	`:P`
`05:13.45`	`Sholdak`	`I think we'll do the main ones, and then the rest will be available via text editing`
`05:14.07`	`Sixen`	`Why not everything?`
`05:14.15`	`Sholdak`	`cause it's only 80% auto :p`
`05:14.15`	`Sixen`	`Why offer Galaxy support then? It's just a text-editor.`
`05:14.22`	`Sholdak`	`and there are like 50 files`
`05:14.25`	`Sixen`	`53`
`05:14.26`	`Sixen`	`;)`
`05:14.32`	`Sholdak`	`we have galaxy autocomplete now`
`05:14.37`	`Sholdak`	`and syntax hilighting`
`05:14.44`	`Sholdak`	`not really just a text editor`
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`05:15.10`	`Sholdak`	`we'll also support precompliers`
`05:15.19`	`Sholdak`	`GE def won't have that`
`05:15.39`	`Sixen`	`Truth`
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`05:24.55`	`valkrial`	`time to download and try again it looks like!`
`05:25.02`	`valkrial`	`what is the pre compiler for?`
`05:25.15`	`Sholdak`	`it doesnt exist`
`05:25.16`	`Sixen`	`precompiler will allow us to do things Galaxy can't do by default`
`05:25.19`	`Sholdak`	`will support* :p`
`05:25.20`	`Sixen`	`like for loops`
`05:25.22`	`valkrial`	`is galaxy a compilerd language?`
`05:25.38`	`Sholdak`	`for features galaxy doesnt support`
`05:25.42`	`Zoxc`	`every language is compiled :)`
`05:26.02`	`valkrial`	`some are interpreted with a compiled interpreter :P`
`05:26.27`	`valkrial`	`you guys are trying to tell me galaxy wont support for loops??`
`05:26.34`	`Sholdak`	`it doesnt`
`05:26.39`	`Sholdak`	`only while/do while`
`05:26.46`	`Zoxc`	`AST interpreters won't need a full compiler though =P`
`05:27.03`	`valkrial`	`ast?`
`05:27.46`	`Sholdak`	`abstract syntax tree`
`05:28.05`	`valkrial`	`mmm. like xml?`
`05:28.17`	`valkrial`	`or am i just showing how confused i am?`
`05:28.32`	`Sholdak`	`not quite :p`
`05:28.52`	`Corbo`	`wtf`
`05:28.54`	`Sholdak`	`it's an intermediate step between source code and assembly`
`05:28.59`	`Sholdak`	`in most compilers`
`05:29.06`	`Corbo`	`Why can't I find the style for this combo box`
`05:29.17`	`valkrial`	`oh. i didnt know such a thing existed`
`05:29.30`	`valkrial`	`i thought assembly was pretty much 1:1 with binary`
`05:30.43`	`Sholdak`	`it is`
`05:30.49`	`Sholdak`	`this is before assembly`
`05:31.04`	`valkrial`	`oh. oops. read that wrong`
`05:31.08`	`valkrial`	`right. ok`
`05:36.20`	`Corbo`	`can somebody list me zerg units?`
`05:36.40`	`Corbo`	`I don't have a copy of unitdata.xml wiht me right now`
`05:37.30`	`Sixen`	`Corbo: http://sc2pod.com/wiki/Zerg`
`05:37.33`	`Sixen`	`They're all listed there.`
`05:37.57`	`Corbo`	`thanks`
`05:38.36`	`Bifuu`	`Who knew Robin williams was funny as a stand up guy`
`05:42.22`	`valkrial`	`ii idd`
`05:42.25`	`valkrial`	`i did*`
`05:42.45`	`valkrial`	`although sometimes hes a little too over the top for my liking`
`05:44.56`	`valkrial`	`k night. im going to bed`
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`06:07.59`	`santoki`	`hello`
`06:08.09`	`Sixen`	`Hai sant.`
`06:08.14`	`santoki`	`hello =]`
`06:08.34`	`santoki`	`hows everyone doing?`
`06:08.46`	`Sixen`	`Okey =)`
`06:09.06`	`santoki`	`you ever gonna join artisan?! D:<`
`06:09.08`	`santoki`	`lol jk`
`06:09.25`	`santoki`	`you should tho :D or at least help on some of our projects and such`
`06:09.45`	`santoki`	`but yea im just bored x.x roaming around the interwebs`
`06:10.29`	`Sixen`	`:P`
`06:10.47`	`Sixen`	`I'm down for helping. Not sure about joining a team justyet.`
`06:11.05`	`santoki`	`i see no pressure xD i just heard that kevin was gonna ask you or something`
`06:11.09`	`santoki`	`but yea`
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`06:14.35`	`santokii`	`bah internet d/c`
`06:14.37`	`Sixen`	`:P`
`06:16.15`	`Corbo`	`does anyone know uh`
`06:16.16`	`Corbo`	`VB?`
`06:16.16`	`Corbo`	`:P`
`06:17.08`	`Sixen`	`6 or .NET?`
`06:17.44`	`Corbo`	`6`
`06:17.51`	`Sixen`	`Yeah :X`
`06:18.03`	`Corbo`	`k so`
`06:18.08`	`Corbo`	`throws problem`
`06:18.38`	`Corbo`	`I have a combobox, and when I select an option I want it to change the caption for a label I have around for testing purposes (and later on use that)`
`06:18.41`	`santokii`	`o.o`
`06:18.43`	`Corbo`	`but I can't make it work`
`06:19.13`	`Sixen`	`If option.Selected then`
`06:19.13`	`Sixen`	`label.text = "test"`
`06:19.15`	`Sixen`	`should work`
`06:19.24`	`Corbo`	`Private Sub uchoice_Click()`
`06:19.24`	`Corbo`	`If uchoice.ItemData = "1" Then`
`06:19.24`	`Corbo`	`test.Caption = "Zergling"`
`06:19.24`	`Corbo`	`End If`
`06:19.30`	`Corbo`	`I have thtta right now`
`06:19.30`	`Corbo`	`wait`
`06:19.35`	`Corbo`	`option.selected?`
`06:19.49`	`Sixen`	`I think it's Selected, yeah`
`06:19.57`	`Sixen`	`is ItemData a bool or a string?`
`06:20.07`	`Corbo`	`errr`
`06:20.14`	`Corbo`	`uchoice.AddItem "Queen"`
`06:20.15`	`Corbo`	`uchoice.ItemData(uchoice.NewIndex) = "9"`
`06:20.19`	`Corbo`	`int? :P`
`06:21.37`	`Sixen`	`bleh, sec.`
`06:22.47`	`Corbo`	`k`
`06:24.30`	`Sixen`	`Private Sub Combo1_Click()`
`06:24.31`	`Sixen`	`<PROTECTED>`
`06:24.31`	`Sixen`	`<PROTECTED>`
`06:24.31`	`Sixen`	`<PROTECTED>`
`06:24.31`	`Sixen`	`End Sub`
`06:25.46`	`Corbo`	`hey, that worked :P`
`06:25.51`	`Sixen`	`;)`
`06:25.56`	`Corbo`	`why the hell did I not try text before?`
`06:25.57`	`Corbo`	`:P`
`06:26.02`	`Sixen`	`Dunno`
`06:26.03`	`Sixen`	`lol`
`06:26.09`	`Corbo`	`now I have to make it find the mouse position in this image`
`06:26.20`	`santokii`	`x]`
`06:28.23`	`Corbo`	`aw`
`06:28.28`	`Corbo`	`I thought it'd be this easy xpos.Caption = Picture1.CurrentX`
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`06:50.11`	`Sholdak`	`what are you trying to do corbo?`
`06:51.37`	`Corbo`	`makeit display the mouse position`
`06:51.43`	`Corbo`	`like in...paint for example`
`06:51.50`	`Corbo`	`that you get the x,y`
`06:51.55`	`Sholdak`	`oh i see`
`06:52.24`	`Corbo`	`any clues?`
`06:52.57`	`Sholdak`	`use the mouseover event`
`06:53.12`	`Corbo`	`I am...`
`06:53.14`	`Corbo`	`kinda of`
`06:53.24`	`Corbo`	`but I honestly have no idea what the hell am I doing`
`06:53.24`	`Sholdak`	`it should come with MouseEventArgs ea`
`06:53.33`	`Sholdak`	`ea.X will get you the mouse position`
`06:53.35`	`Sholdak`	`and ea.Y`
`06:53.50`	`Corbo`	`first time I've ever done any programming at all >.>`
`06:54.01`	`Corbo`	`I have this:`
`06:54.01`	`Corbo`	`Private Sub Picture1_MoveMouse(Pictur1 As Image, CurrentX As Single, CurrentY As Single)`
`06:54.02`	`Corbo`	`xpos.Caption = Picture1.MousePointerX`
`06:54.02`	`Corbo`	`ypos.Caption = Picture1.CurrentY`
`06:54.02`	`Corbo`	`End Sub`
`06:54.39`	`Corbo`	`they're different cause I was testing different stuff :p`
`06:55.20`	`Sholdak`	`oh got vb.net`
`06:55.26`	`Sholdak`	`god*`
`06:56.34`	`Corbo`	`it's vb 6`
`06:56.35`	`Corbo`	`>.>`
`06:56.35`	`Sholdak`	`it should be`
`06:56.40`	`Sholdak`	`oh err`
`06:56.47`	`Sholdak`	`in .net it should be`
`06:56.48`	`Sholdak`	`<PROTECTED>`
`06:56.49`	`Sholdak`	`<PROTECTED>`
`06:56.49`	`Sholdak`	`<PROTECTED>`
`06:56.49`	`Sholdak`	`<PROTECTED>`
`06:56.49`	`Sholdak`	`<PROTECTED>`
`06:57.00`	`Sholdak`	`i don't know if it's the same in vb6`
`06:57.29`	`Corbo`	`in vb.net seems harder ;o`
`06:57.31`	`Sholdak`	`vb6 is... pretty old`
`06:57.37`	`Corbo`	`maybe`
`06:57.56`	`Corbo`	`but I still have no idea what am I doing or why would any others are better`
`06:58.20`	`Corbo`	`I also installed visual c++ 2008`
`06:58.37`	`Corbo`	`but C++ sounded intimidating so I went VB 6`
`06:58.38`	`Corbo`	`:P`
`07:01.38`	`Sholdak`	`uhh`
`07:02.02`	`Sholdak`	`i didnt even know people still had vb 6`
`07:02.17`	`Sholdak`	`im pretty sure microsoft doesnt support it anymore`
`07:02.34`	`Sholdak`	`C++ is very different from either`
`07:17.25`	`lapin_sc`	`Corbo C# is easier then C++ and nice like VB`
`07:22.05`	`Corbo`	`nice like VB in what sense?`
`07:22.14`	`Corbo`	`I made the Ui for this program in like no time >.>`
`07:22.51`	`Corbo`	`I don't mind learning functions and all that as long as there's a decent manual for them like for php there is php.net`
`07:58.30`	`Corbo`	`yay`
`07:58.35`	`Corbo`	`it is working`
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`08:33.05`	`Repo`	`New map: http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/storm-base/. Storm the Base. Thalassicus (Manager/Author). Experimental. Approved by sixen.`
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`08:36.50`	`monoframe`	`uhmph, How to use Attachments? I've already made necesary changes to add additional Attachment Points, but when I try to use "Model value" inside the <AttachProps> the model, which I'm editing, is replaced with a balloon :(`
`08:37.19`	`monoframe`	`not to mention somehow affecting other models`
`08:37.24`	`monoframe`	`also turning baloonish`
`08:42.57`	`vjeux`	`heya`
`08:43.30`	`Sixen`	`hai`
`08:43.47`	`Sixen`	`sc2mapster is up at 11k people`
`08:43.47`	`Sixen`	`:d`
`08:43.56`	`vjeux`	`woot`
`08:44.14`	`vjeux`	`Sixen: do you know if there are logs of the irc channel?`
`08:44.24`	`Sixen`	`I have logs of the IRC`
`08:44.31`	`Sixen`	`But I don't think any are kept elsewhere`
`08:44.52`	`monoframe`	`Server might track them`
`08:44.56`	`vjeux`	`could you paste me what happened yesterday?`
`08:45.29`	`vjeux`	`I heard we managed to make heroes + xp`
`08:45.49`	`Sixen`	`yesterday :X`
`08:45.54`	`Sixen`	`your yesterday != my yesterday`
`08:46.05`	`vjeux`	`lol`
`08:46.15`	`vjeux`	`well, 12 hours ago :P`
`08:46.16`	`Sholdak`	`yea, heroes + xp works`
`08:46.21`	`Sholdak`	`but doesnt do anything yet`
`08:46.32`	`Sholdak`	`as in we can't change unit stats or abilities`
`08:46.42`	`vjeux`	`I want to news about it`
`08:46.46`	`Sixen`	`You were here 12 hours ago`
`08:46.49`	`Sixen`	`on the dot`
`08:46.50`	`Sixen`	`:O`
`08:47.01`	`Sixen`	`the last 12 hours?`
`08:47.51`	`Sholdak`	`you put <VeterancyLevelArray MinVeterancyXP="200"/>`
`08:47.53`	`vjeux`	`give me the last 24 hours and I will find it. thanks :)`
`08:47.55`	`Sholdak`	`in behavior data`
`08:48.11`	`Sholdak`	`200 is the xp to level up`
`08:48.16`	`vjeux`	`I see`
`08:48.19`	`vjeux`	`that's it?`
`08:49.17`	`Sholdak`	`pretty much`
`08:49.28`	`Sholdak`	`you can also set the level I believe`
`08:49.35`	`Sholdak`	`via Level=`
`08:49.57`	`Grum`	`cant you 'give abilities (or health/shield/whatever)' by replacing the unit after you execute a skill 'to upgrade an ability' ? :)`
`08:51.09`	`Sholdak`	`i'm sure there are ways to mimic it somehow`
`08:51.51`	`Sholdak`	`CAbilLearn also prob gives the learn ability box`
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`08:52.00`	`Sholdak`	`but we dont know how to set the actual abilities to be learned yet`
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`09:17.40`	`monoframe`	`So gues, anyone know how to deal with Attachments ? D:`
`09:20.37`	`vjeux`	`nop :(`
`09:21.26`	`monoframe`	`Cause I wanted my Observer-shooting Marauder to carry few Observers on his back :(`
`09:21.37`	`monoframe`	`not to mention adding particle effects to the Observer-Missile`
`09:21.46`	`monoframe`	`to show it's trajectory`
`09:22.03`	`vjeux`	`btw, would be really nice if you could take 5 minutes to write down what you found so far in the forums. Even if this is a rough draft this will help knowledge to spread`
`09:22.17`	`monoframe`	`I'm not registered s:`
`09:22.24`	`vjeux`	`takes 5 sec :p`
`09:22.58`	`monoframe`	`Nothing significant, besides Tutorial Videos and animated skyboxes`
`09:23.30`	`monoframe`	`When I'm finished with Marauder, I'll take a film shoot of my Marine, Reaper and Marauder modifications`
`09:24.15`	`monoframe`	`It's far too hard to work so without Data Editor for me`
`09:24.43`	`vjeux`	`:)`
`09:24.51`	`vjeux`	`animated skyboxes?`
`09:25.01`	`monoframe`	`You know the background in Scrap Station?`
`09:25.07`	`monoframe`	`with the floating rocks and the planet?`
`09:25.13`	`monoframe`	`well, that's a skybox`
`09:25.22`	`monoframe`	`but an Z-Inverted one it seems`
`09:25.35`	`monoframe`	`as when I tried to change it to another one, it became garbled`
`09:25.46`	`vjeux`	`I see`
`09:26.05`	`monoframe`	`Will be very good for use in Cinematic movies`
`09:26.25`	`monoframe`	`and if I'm not mistaken, animated skyboxes where also present in WC3`
`09:27.04`	`monoframe`	`I remember there was one Campaign Mission-Cinematic featuring changing sky patern`
`09:27.30`	`monoframe`	`Anyways, still don't know how to turn on the Skybox for other maps`
`09:27.48`	`monoframe`	`There should be some sort of a value, like "<SkyboxEnable value="1">"`
`09:27.55`	`monoframe`	`which doesn't work P:`
`09:27.59`	`monoframe`	`bu still`
`09:28.01`	`monoframe`	`but*`
`09:29.57`	`monoframe`	`wait`
`09:29.58`	`vjeux`	`is that using an animated dds, or some kind of transformation on it`
`09:30.10`	`monoframe`	`skyboxes are .m3 3d models`
`09:30.16`	`monoframe`	`dds isn't animated :P`
`09:30.19`	`monoframe`	`I mean`
`09:30.23`	`vjeux`	`ok I see`
`09:30.31`	`monoframe`	`so the model is actually animated`
`09:30.55`	`monoframe`	`and dds used by the engine is converted/cropped to sprites`
`09:31.11`	`monoframe`	`It cannot hold multiple frames`
`09:31.14`	`monoframe`	`the format I mean`
`09:31.39`	`monoframe`	`hmm, seems it could be possible to solve the attachment problem`
`09:31.54`	`monoframe`	`the minerals and vespene tanks carried by SCVs are attached`
`09:32.01`	`monoframe`	`not present in the .m3 file`
`09:32.06`	`monoframe`	`gonna look into it`
`09:33.56`	`vjeux`	`ok`
`09:34.06`	`vjeux`	`cannot help you much on this :p`
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`09:52.37`	`monoframe`	`How about making SCV able to throw Minerals-rigged-with-explosives? Would only be able to use this attack, if the SCV is carrying Crystal Set :) Of course, would deal more damage than scruffy 5dp fuser`
`09:53.23`	`monoframe`	`Defending against rushing enemies could be much better`
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`09:56.17`	`vjeux`	`lol`
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`10:08.27`	`monoframe`	`hmm how to change model's yaw angle?`
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`10:18.53`	`ubitux`	`:))`
`10:18.57`	`ubitux`	`bisous ici`
`10:18.59`	`vjeux`	`hey`
`10:19.08`	`ubitux`	`oups hi there`
`10:22.07`	`monoframe`	`Where to find the "FX" parent?`
`10:22.53`	`vjeux`	`FX?`
`10:23.03`	`monoframe`	`<PROTECTED>`
`10:23.10`	`monoframe`	`Where is FX defined?`
`10:23.26`	`vjeux`	`should be in the modelData.xml files`
`10:23.33`	`monoframe`	`It's not`
`10:23.35`	`vjeux`	`but some of them seems to be hardcoded by the game`
`10:24.16`	`monoframe`	`I'm trying to find the line which applies the "CarryVespeneChunk" to SCV s:`
`10:24.22`	`monoframe`	`yet have not found one at all`
`10:24.34`	`monoframe`	`this thing is only mentioned in modeldata.xml as it seems`
`10:24.42`	`monoframe`	`and then it sort-of cuts off`
`10:24.52`	`monoframe`	`<PROTECTED>`
`10:24.52`	`monoframe`	`<PROTECTED>`
`10:24.52`	`monoframe`	`<PROTECTED>`
`10:24.52`	`monoframe`	`<PROTECTED>`
`10:24.53`	`monoframe`	`<PROTECTED>`
`10:24.53`	`monoframe`	`<PROTECTED>`
`10:24.53`	`monoframe`	`<PROTECTED>`
`10:24.54`	`monoframe`	`<PROTECTED>`
`10:25.09`	`monoframe`	`so defining the file is the easy part`
`10:25.43`	`monoframe`	`what I need, is to find where the associatiations between builder and the attachment model is`
`10:26.38`	`vjeux`	`isn't there an AttachmentData.xml file?`
`10:27.10`	`monoframe`	`No`
`10:27.26`	`monoframe`	`I've looked into other xmls doesn't seem like there are any linkage at all`
`10:27.39`	`monoframe`	`anyways, gonna look in modeldata.xml for now`
`10:27.49`	`monoframe`	`"AttachProps" being the main`
`10:27.57`	`monoframe`	`I think`
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`11:02.23`	`monoframe`	`OK, I'm stuck, the only linkage I have found is that the "Model id" is set to "Proper Name" in GameStrings.txt file`
`11:02.43`	`monoframe`	`Other than that, no progress`
`11:02.46`	`vjeux`	`ok`
`11:02.52`	`vjeux`	`the XP stuff works really gread`
`11:02.54`	`vjeux`	`great`
`11:03.01`	`vjeux`	`<CBehaviorVeterancy id="ArchonLevelStatus"> <VeterancyLevelArray index="0" MinVeterancyXP="100"/> <VeterancyLevelArray index="1" MinVeterancyXP="200"/> <VeterancyLevelArray index="2" MinVeterancyXP="300"/> <VeterancyLevelArray index="3" MinVeterancyXP="400"/> </CBehaviorVeterancy>`
`11:03.09`	`vjeux`	`and you got a hero that has XP :P`
`11:04.26`	`vjeux`	`and level up`
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`11:17.57`	`vjeux`	`ok just recorded a sample video of hero that wins XP and levels`
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`12:00.55`	`vjeux`	`http://forums.sc2mapster.com/development/map-development/284-heros-level-and-xp/`
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`12:58.29`	`Repo`	`New announcement: http://www.sc2mapster.com/announcements/mapster-heros/`
`13:12.28`	`vjeux`	`http://www.parkoz.com/`
`13:12.36`	`vjeux`	`we've been linked somewhere in that site`
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`13:13.28`	`vjeux`	`http://cafe.naver.com/`
`13:13.31`	`vjeux`	`somewhere here too :p`
`13:17.16`	`monoframe`	`oh look a pic of a mouse being tortured by a korean. Korean probably thinks to himself: "OH YOU'LL PAY FOR NOT SPAWNING LARVAS FAST ENOUGH!"`
`13:21.13`	`vjeux`	`:P`
`13:21.41`	`monoframe`	`Anyways, Last hope for Attachment system: Medivac carrying Thor!`
`13:21.51`	`monoframe`	`I remember seeing it somewhere`
`13:22.04`	`monoframe`	`anyways, found a vid on youtube, with precise comment`
`13:22.12`	`monoframe`	`gonna take a look`
`13:22.30`	`monoframe`	`But with SCV, it's hardcoded`
`13:23.03`	`monoframe`	`Of course, I could some very tricky adjustments to turn SCV into any other unit I would want to purposedly use`
`13:23.13`	`monoframe`	`but that would be an overkill`
`13:23.20`	`vjeux`	`link?`
`13:23.29`	`monoframe`	`for the vid?`
`13:23.31`	`vjeux`	`y`
`13:23.36`	`monoframe`	`I don't know if it's featured there :P`
`13:23.37`	`monoframe`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnmL1W_x9AQ`
`13:23.41`	`monoframe`	`I was guided by google`
`13:24.03`	`vjeux`	`:)`
`13:24.31`	`monoframe`	`thee comment: "gameboyredpee medivac carrying thor? there may b hope? of me getting this game... "`
`13:24.37`	`monoframe`	`letsa look shall we`
`13:25.36`	`monoframe`	`pretty self-buffed commentator`
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`13:27.10`	`monoframe`	`DUN DUN DUNNNN`
`13:27.27`	`vjeux_`	`works?`
`13:28.04`	`monoframe`	`What works?`
`13:28.08`	`monoframe`	`Who's the real vjuex?!`
`13:28.18`	`monoframe`	`And who's the imposter?!`
`13:30.58`	`vjeux_`	`i'm the real`
`13:31.01`	`vjeux_`	`just been disc'ed`
`13:33.35`	`vjeux`	`I don't know what to do ...`
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`13:54.48`	`ScytheBlade1`	`wtf is a 'HSM' ? The acronym is all over the SC2 boards, and I can't figure it out :/`
`13:54.59`	`ScytheBlade1`	`oh heat seaking missile`
`13:55.01`	`ScytheBlade1`	`never mind`
`13:58.05`	`ScytheBlade1`	`yes, 1 HSM > 12 hydras`
`13:58.15`	`ScytheBlade1`	`If you're playing a dumb zerg player, or if your opponent is dumb`
`13:58.20`	`vjeux`	`:p`
`13:58.23`	`ScytheBlade1`	`stupid people on the forums :/`
`14:01.48`	`monoframe`	`Problem with SCVs and MediVacs is that their attachments go through "Check&Conditioning" phases, while I want the attached model to remain passive, non-coordinated by the situation`
`14:02.17`	`monoframe`	`Thus with SCVs, MediVacs the functions sprung through several differents xmls`
`14:02.32`	`monoframe`	`which is really tough to guide yourself through without Data Editor at hand :(`
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`14:08.02`	`PixelWarrior`	`help`
`14:08.05`	`PixelWarrior`	`-help`
`14:08.38`	`PixelWarrior`	`help?`
`14:09.01`	`ScytheBlade1`	`..`
`14:09.06`	`ScytheBlade1`	`No bots here respond to that.`
`14:09.10`	`ScytheBlade1`	`~asktoask`
`14:09.11`	`purl`	`This is IRC. Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question and if someone's around, they'll be glad to help.`
`14:10.02`	`sztanpet`	`heeelp!`
`14:10.11`	`PixelWarrior`	`any humans around?`
`14:10.18`	`ScytheBlade1`	`No.`
`14:10.22`	`PixelWarrior`	`god damn it`
`14:10.23`	`sztanpet`	`any smarter questions?`
`14:10.26`	`ScytheBlade1`	`^`
`14:10.40`	`ScytheBlade1`	`(Man we're brutal.)`
`14:10.41`	`PixelWarrior`	`no, just chilling`
`14:10.45`	`ScytheBlade1`	`lol`
`14:11.35`	`PixelWarrior`	`up to much?`
`14:11.35`	`ckknight`	`howdy, PixelWarrior`
`14:11.48`	`PixelWarrior`	`hey ckknight =D`
`14:14.05`	`Fisker`	`slaps ckknight around a bit with a large trout`
`14:14.17`	`Fisker`	`my head hurts ckknight`
`14:14.35`	`ckknight`	`why?`
`14:15.42`	`Fisker`	`there's this wonderous thing that even though you may have slept well for 6-8 hours it feels like you slept for 2-4 hours`
`14:15.43`	`Fisker`	`:(`
`14:15.57`	`ckknight`	`yea, I'm sleepy too`
`14:16.06`	`PixelWarrior`	`wheres everyone from?`
`14:16.09`	`ScytheBlade1`	`ckknight: you work today?`
`14:16.19`	`ckknight`	`yea, I work every weekday`
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`14:16.28`	`Fisker`	`not so much sleepy than like someone hit you in the head with a hammer`
`14:16.28`	`ckknight`	`PixelWarrior: North Alabama`
`14:16.29`	`ScytheBlade1`	`I lucked out, not working today`
`14:16.40`	`ckknight`	`ScytheBlade1: how'd you manage that?`
`14:16.49`	`ScytheBlade1`	`good friday, market holidy`
`14:16.55`	`ScytheBlade1`	`market isn't running, I'm not working`
`14:17.00`	`ScytheBlade1`	`*holiday`
`14:17.18`	`PixelWarrior`	`oh america!`
`14:17.27`	`PixelWarrior`	`im from sydney, australia`
`14:17.41`	`ckknight`	`woo, America!`
`14:17.53`	`ScytheBlade1`	`I actually work for a company a LOT bigger than "just" America, so if I went to work, I'd have stuff to do`
`14:17.53`	`ckknight`	`PixelWarrior: Jerub's also an Aussie`
`14:17.56`	`ScytheBlade1`	`I chose not to work`
`14:19.51`	`PixelWarrior`	`just saw the hero vid on the site, looks awesome`
`14:20.35`	`PixelWarrior`	`i noticed that the hero doesnt have stats like in wc3`
`14:20.43`	`PixelWarrior`	`is it going to stay that way?`
`14:21.02`	`Fisker`	`real men are from denmark anyway`
`14:21.23`	`Fisker`	`they've stated that the attribute system will be much more advanced in SC2`
`14:21.25`	`Fisker`	`so i think so`
`14:21.35`	`Fisker`	`attribute as in stats`
`14:21.51`	`Fisker`	`So what do you think?`
`14:21.55`	`Fisker`	`Release in may/june?`
`14:22.05`	`PixelWarrior`	`sounds about right`
`14:22.11`	`ckknight`	`I think June's a bit early`
`14:22.23`	`ckknight`	`maybe late June-July`
`14:22.29`	`Fisker`	`i don't think so`
`14:22.32`	`ckknight`	`I could be wrong`
`14:22.37`	`Fisker`	`too late and it'll land in the middle of the summer`
`14:22.44`	`Fisker`	`later than that and it'll coincide with WoW`
`14:22.46`	`PixelWarrior`	`well cataclysm is due out this year too, i dont think blizzard would wanna cram the 2 together`
`14:22.53`	`Fisker`	`and the game seems pretty finished already`
`14:23.04`	`PixelWarrior`	`yeah what frisker said`
`14:23.17`	`ckknight`	`Cata is more likely for a november launch`
`14:23.18`	`Fisker`	`I think the patch with the editor will be the last major patch we get.`
`14:23.20`	`ckknight`	`or something like that`
`14:23.31`	`Fisker`	`far too late`
`14:23.34`	`Fisker`	`more like october`
`14:23.38`	`Fisker`	`maybe even september`
`14:24.08`	`PixelWarrior`	`its april now... and people have killed the lich king on heroic...`
`14:24.29`	`ckknight`	`there's going to be at _least_ a 3.4`
`14:24.39`	`PixelWarrior`	`hmm, ruby sanctum still has to come out but that wont take very long for those guilds go through`
`14:24.47`	`Fisker`	`nah`
`14:24.52`	`Fisker`	`3.3.5 then probably 3.9`
`14:25.20`	`PixelWarrior`	`which patch is ruby sanctum gona be in?`
`14:25.25`	`Fisker`	`3.3.5`
`14:25.32`	`Fisker`	`Cataclysm event is going to be in 3.9`
`14:25.48`	`Fisker`	`doubtful they'll add anything else unless they decide to postpone cataclysm to 2011`
`14:26.15`	`PixelWarrior`	`no way, theyre running out of stuff to occupy players`
`14:26.51`	`monoframe`	`You can never run out of "false promises"`
`14:27.13`	`PixelWarrior`	`theres gona be like a period of 6 months where everyone will run around with full tier 10.5 and nothing better to do`
`14:27.24`	`Fisker`	`that's quite normal actually`
`14:27.43`	`Fisker`	`But most people haven't done ICC25 hc yet`
`14:28.11`	`PixelWarrior`	`gg`
`14:28.24`	`Fisker`	`give it a month, then we probably have 3.3.5`
`14:28.35`	`Fisker`	`then give that a month and we're "done" :o`
`14:28.38`	`ckknight`	`what's 3.3.5 supposed to bring?`
`14:28.44`	`PixelWarrior`	`ruby sanctum?`
`14:28.45`	`Fisker`	`a new instance`
`14:28.48`	`Fisker`	`yeah`
`14:28.55`	`Fisker`	`but it's like sartharion`
`14:29.04`	`PixelWarrior`	`item level 254? ish?`
`14:29.05`	`Fisker`	`it just adds some cataclysm lore as well`
`14:29.15`	`monoframe`	`"With our new product - "False Promises 2.0" you can now invest much more time into developing the most ridiculous speculations in our very own forum! Wasting your free time will never be as much fun without "False Promises 2.0"`
`14:29.16`	`Fisker`	`same as icc10/25 i think`
`14:29.46`	`PixelWarrior`	`sounds almost as good as blizzard match making service!`
`14:32.00`	`monoframe`	`"Did we forget to add the ultra-low monthly fee of only 10,000 rupies?! That's right! "False Promises 2.0" will also be featured in...INDIA! Now buddhists, hinduists and jainists can also enjoy the Westernisation! Get your copy today!"`
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`14:46.50`	`vjeux`	`got my screen on the TV, that blows :)`
`14:47.13`	`PixelWarrior`	`??`
`14:49.46`	`nicoli_s`	`yeah that confuses me too`
`14:53.03`	`PixelWarrior`	`i think he connected his 42" LCD tv onto his comp and is using it as a monitor`
`14:53.33`	`nicoli_s`	`ahhh, yeah thats how i have to do it at home though i hve a 37 inch`
`14:53.41`	`nicoli_s`	`but still sc2 looks damn fine on it`
`14:55.18`	`vjeux`	`yep that's it :p`
`14:55.52`	`Fisker`	`slaps nicoli_s around a bit with a large trout`
`14:55.56`	`PixelWarrior`	`so i just wanna ask`
`14:56.07`	`Fisker`	`just l2properres?`
`14:56.16`	`PixelWarrior`	`these XML files that u guys seem to find awesome stuff in, where do i find them?`
`14:56.25`	`nicoli_s`	`in the .sc2data mpqs`
`14:56.37`	`nicoli_s`	`fisker: the issue is that its in my living room so i have to crane my neck up to see it`
`14:56.41`	`PixelWarrior`	`just open with a text editor?`
`14:57.40`	`nicoli_s`	`no those are mpqs, you need a mpq program`
`14:57.46`	`nicoli_s`	`get mpqeditor`
`14:58.27`	`PixelWarrior`	`k`
`14:59.14`	`vjeux`	`(I just edited the latest news)`
`14:59.47`	`PixelWarrior`	`lol april fools`
`15:00.01`	`vjeux`	`it's pretty well done`
`15:00.12`	`PixelWarrior`	`yeah looks just like world editor`
`15:00.25`	`PixelWarrior`	`how did they get those palette icons?`
`15:00.31`	`PixelWarrior`	`is that in the mpq as well?`
`15:00.54`	`vjeux`	`yup`
`15:00.57`	`vjeux`	`that's the unit icons`
`15:01.16`	`vjeux`	`the ones you see when you click on one (except that it's green'd)`
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`15:04.37`	`PixelWarrior`	`hmm`
`15:05.05`	`PixelWarrior`	`i dont have that many mpq files to open... got a couple battle net ones that looked useless and a core and backup which didnt have much either`
`15:05.35`	`nicoli_s`	`.sc2data and .sc2assets are mpqs`
`15:05.36`	`vjeux`	`it`
`15:05.37`	`monoframe`	`pixel, the main mpq files don't have .mpq file ending`
`15:05.39`	`nicoli_s`	`just open them with it`
`15:05.43`	`vjeux`	`it's in sc2assets`
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`15:06.24`	`PixelWarrior`	`bingo`
`15:06.25`	`PixelWarrior`	`got it lol`
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`15:33.46`	`PixelWarrior`	`so the tags are predefined...`
`15:34.38`	`PixelWarrior`	`we name the ids and edit the values....`
`15:34.53`	`PixelWarrior`	`does that mean we can make pretty much any unit do anything?`
`15:35.02`	`nicoli_s`	`pretty much`
`15:35.18`	`PixelWarrior`	`are there any limitations?`
`15:35.55`	`PixelWarrior`	`actually dw i cant think of a good example lol`
`15:36.36`	`PixelWarrior`	`u can make any unit do a reaper cliffjump`
`15:38.05`	`monoframe`	`pixel, now you're looking into files which will be mostly monitored and dealt with in Data and Unit Editor`
`15:38.18`	`monoframe`	`So current implementation is not limitless`
`15:38.39`	`monoframe`	`It still slams into hardcoded arguments`
`15:39.40`	`nicoli_s`	`Sholdak: good job on the texture stuff, though i did get a weird buffer overflow exception when trying to load some image, will double check later to see which it was`
`15:48.21`	`ScytheBlade1`	`rofl @ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XUxF4XWtj4g`
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`15:50.19`	`PixelWarrior`	`watching`
`15:50.41`	`nicoli_s`	`morning JademusSreg`
`15:56.38`	`PixelWarrior`	`LOL`
`16:00.23`	`monoframe`	`I guess minimap could be removed totally and the place left used as an inventory, while the same map could be displayed with a Diablo-map-like filter, scripted to change placing according to map location, in x,y,z plane, the player is in`
`16:01.14`	`PixelWarrior`	`do we have the isometric style view of the map like in d2?`
`16:01.27`	`PixelWarrior`	`i suppose could just export one or something`
`16:03.51`	`PixelWarrior`	`u know where the assigned group button/icons that go across the top? maybe have a button that brings up invent panel on the right?`
`16:04.16`	`nicoli_s`	`PixelWarrior: we can make the camera do isometric view`
`16:06.00`	`PixelWarrior`	`i was referring to monoframes map overlay idea...`
`16:07.04`	`nicoli_s`	`<PixelWarrior> do we have the isometric style view of the map like in d2?`
`16:07.15`	`nicoli_s`	`i was referring to that`
`16:07.26`	`monoframe`	`pixel, the image would be limited by a mask`
`16:07.26`	`PixelWarrior`	`yeah`
`16:07.35`	`monoframe`	`of course, with alpha settings`
`16:07.51`	`JademusSreg`	`Good morning.`
`16:08.03`	`monoframe`	`and scroll depending on the player's location`
`16:08.03`	`PixelWarrior`	`just like d2`
`16:08.15`	`monoframe`	`I mean unit's`
`16:08.28`	`monoframe`	`I think it'll be possible to get unit location data string with triggers`
`16:08.40`	`PixelWarrior`	`i was asking about isometric views coz the map in d2 was isometric`
`16:09.16`	`vjeux`	`unit location data string`
`16:09.20`	`vjeux`	`what do you mean by that?`
`16:09.26`	`vjeux`	`the unit coordinates?`
`16:09.30`	`monoframe`	`YES!`
`16:09.35`	`monoframe`	`cowbell`
`16:09.49`	`vjeux`	`http://www.sc2mapster.com/api-docs/functions/unit-get-position/`
`16:09.54`	`JademusSreg`	`Why would you replace the minimap with an inventory?`
`16:11.11`	`monoframe`	`cause in 1024x768 resolution there's little space in unit attribute section :P`
`16:11.16`	`nicoli_s`	`there will be a built in inventory screen`
`16:11.22`	`monoframe`	`Oh rly`
`16:12.03`	`PixelWarrior`	`=.=`
`16:12.07`	`PixelWarrior`	`how do u guys know all these things`
`16:12.14`	`vjeux`	`because they told us :p`
`16:12.20`	`monoframe`	`THEY did it`
`16:12.59`	`vjeux`	`we found out the ability to allow heroes and units to gain experience is built into the Map Editor, though it will not likely be in single player or standard multiplayer. In addition, those units can also be toggled to have the ability to carry an inventory`
`16:13.02`	`vjeux`	`http://forums.sc2mapster.com/general/general-chat/168-map-maker-series-q-a-batches/`
`16:14.46`	`monoframe`	`pixel, as for isometric view, limited by two planes only - I don't think we'll be able to squirt 3d engine to such enviroment without breaking into the graphics engine itself...But it could be easily substituted with 2d models and sprites`
`16:16.05`	`JademusSreg`	`We still haven't figured out how to use the inventory ability, though.`
`16:16.17`	`PixelWarrior`	`i was thinking, if u realy wanted the d2 thing, is to view the map externally, export a flat image, and just pan that around according to the unit position (for fps type games) or current map view like normal`
`16:16.31`	`vjeux`	`"For example, map makers will have the ability to define any number of custom attributes that modify a hero based on its level."`
`16:16.35`	`vjeux`	`we need to find out!`
`16:16.48`	`JademusSreg`	`Oh, there is an attribute behavior.`
`16:16.53`	`JademusSreg`	`Min 1 Max 255.`
`16:16.55`	`nicoli_s`	`someone found the basic attrributes already`
`16:17.06`	`nicoli_s`	`like strength and int, but not sure how to turn them on`
`16:17.08`	`vjeux`	`who where how? :p`
`16:17.27`	`nicoli_s`	`someone posted it in here, not sure who`
`16:17.57`	`JademusSreg`	`Attribute is a behavior class; you can see it by checking the default xmls in the core game data.`
`16:19.35`	`vjeux`	`<PROTECTED>`
`16:19.37`	`vjeux`	`I see :p`
`16:20.20`	`PixelWarrior`	`how do u attach that to a unit?`
`16:20.34`	`JademusSreg`	`By giving it a behavior of the same class.`
`16:20.41`	`vjeux`	`<BehaviorArray Link="Attribute" />`
`16:20.59`	`JademusSreg`	`default="1" means that it defines the default values.`
`16:21.20`	`JademusSreg`	`Since it doesn't have an id, you can't reference it directly.`
`16:21.33`	`JademusSreg`	`Or at least not easily.`
`16:21.50`	`PixelWarrior`	`mmmm`
`16:21.54`	`vjeux`	`well, need to make a new <CBehaviorAttribute id="Attribute" />`
`16:23.41`	`vjeux`	`I'm pretty sure you can put a <Modification> inside`
`16:24.22`	`PixelWarrior`	`so like <CBehaviorAttribute id="Strength" default="1"><MaxPoints value="100"/><MinPoints value="1"/> </CBehaviorAttributes>`
`16:24.38`	`vjeux`	`remove the default="1"`
`16:24.50`	`PixelWarrior`	`then u shove a <BehaviorArray Link="Strength" /> inside the unit xml thing?`
`16:25.08`	`vjeux`	`yup`
`16:25.24`	`JademusSreg`	`Do not include default in your value.`
`16:25.39`	`PixelWarrior`	`i dont know what defaulting it means lol`
`16:26.02`	`JademusSreg`	`It defines the object as the default for the class.`
`16:26.54`	`PixelWarrior`	`example?`
`16:27.01`	`JademusSreg`	`The core game data files define the defaults for all the classes.`
`16:27.14`	`PixelWarrior`	`what do u mean by class`
`16:27.33`	`JademusSreg`	`So that when you define a new unit type, if you do not define its Life, it will start with 1 life.`
`16:28.05`	`PixelWarrior`	`wait, is default a boolean or an int?`
`16:28.12`	`JademusSreg`	`Boolean.`
`16:28.55`	`PixelWarrior`	`yeah ok, so wen defining that new unit type, would u set default to true?`
`16:29.02`	`JademusSreg`	`No.`
`16:29.06`	`PixelWarrior`	`ok`
`16:29.11`	`JademusSreg`	`In fact, you will never need to define default.`
`16:29.23`	`JademusSreg`	`It doesn't need to be in there.`
`16:29.42`	`PixelWarrior`	`ok`
`16:29.49`	`vjeux`	`<PeriodicEffect value="suicide"/>`
`16:29.50`	`vjeux`	`xD`
`16:29.59`	`JademusSreg`	`"You" as in the user will not need to at this point since were are not defining object classes.`
`16:30.05`	`JademusSreg`	`From death off creep.`
`16:30.37`	`JademusSreg`	`It has a neat Validator to check if it is on or off creep.`
`16:31.42`	`vjeux`	`<CBehaviorClickResponse id="CritterExplode">`
`16:31.45`	`vjeux`	`I like this one`
`16:32.04`	`vjeux`	`Are we able to launch custom galaxy script from the xml yet?`
`16:32.09`	`PixelWarrior`	`lol`
`16:32.13`	`nicoli_s`	`not that i know of`
`16:32.27`	`PixelWarrior`	`wonder if it still causes the shockwave like in wc3`
`16:34.31`	`JademusSreg`	`What is interesting is that we'll be able to define effects for click responses.`
`16:35.03`	`vjeux`	`yup`
`16:39.37`	`monoframe`	`Is it possible to blow up critters my clicking them multiple times, just like in WC2,SC and WC3?`
`16:39.40`	`monoframe`	`by*`
`16:39.41`	`monoframe`	`S:`
`16:39.48`	`PixelWarrior`	`looks like it`
`16:40.11`	`PixelWarrior`	`from what vjeux pasted`
`16:40.14`	`vjeux`	`yup`
`16:40.22`	`PixelWarrior`	`just need to define how many times`
`16:41.00`	`vjeux`	`<PROTECTED>`
`16:41.03`	`PixelWarrior`	`so.... galaxy editor does garbage collection for us? or just easier to for us to?`
`16:41.17`	`vjeux`	`there is no dynamic allocation yet`
`16:41.21`	`vjeux`	`so no garbage collection needed :P`
`16:41.39`	`PixelWarrior`	`awesome`
`16:41.47`	`PixelWarrior`	`whats that infoflags tag?`
`16:42.06`	`vjeux`	`just to hide the icon from the UI`
`16:42.40`	`PixelWarrior`	`so by default the that behavior would create an icon on that unit`
`16:42.55`	`vjeux`	`yup`
`16:43.03`	`monoframe`	`excellent, might aswell add Chat Gem to the UI and define it to be clicked 666 times just to get a random whity popup`
`16:44.05`	`monoframe`	`like: "It this was Diablo 3 Beta you would've got Enigma's Set...well...better luck next time!"`
`16:44.07`	`PixelWarrior`	`all nerds love easter eggs`
`16:44.30`	`JademusSreg`	`It doesn't have an icon defined. And behaviors tend to appear like buffs to the left of the wireframe.`
`16:44.58`	`PixelWarrior`	`right`
`16:45.02`	`JademusSreg`	`You know, since buffs are behaviors. =)`
`16:45.19`	`PixelWarrior`	`can we define where to show the buff icon?`
`16:45.27`	`nicoli_s`	`i wonder if they have unclock stuff, so you can do effects both on and off click`
`16:45.33`	`nicoli_s`	`unclick*`
`16:45.36`	`PixelWarrior`	`so then like, we can have 1 row of buffs and a 2nd row of debuffs`
`16:45.55`	`JademusSreg`	`Buffs have alignments.`
`16:46.01`	`PixelWarrior`	`cool`
`16:46.13`	`JademusSreg`	`Negative buffs appear red.`
`16:46.26`	`monoframe`	`could do so by modifying UI, or adding a passive icon to the already existing CardLayout`
`16:46.36`	`monoframe`	`or wait`
`16:47.29`	`monoframe`	`I'm more inclined to use "Auras" name instead of buffs <.<`
`16:47.37`	`monoframe`	`"Buffs" that is`
`16:47.55`	`JademusSreg`	`Why? Auras a very specific type of effect.`
`16:48.24`	`PixelWarrior`	`arent auras just aoe buffs?`
`16:48.30`	`JademusSreg`	`Exactly.`
`16:49.04`	`monoframe`	`Too much WC3 modding for me to fit new groundshift :\|`
`16:49.54`	`PixelWarrior`	`im gona go get some sleep`
`16:50.01`	`PixelWarrior`	`its nearly 4 am here`
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`16:50.18`	`PixelWarrior`	`gnite`
`16:51.25`	`JademusSreg`	`Here is good example of an "aura" in sc2.`
`16:51.26`	`JademusSreg`	`<PROTECTED>`
`16:51.26`	`JademusSreg`	`<PROTECTED>`
`16:51.26`	`JademusSreg`	`<PROTECTED>`
`16:51.27`	`JademusSreg`	`<PROTECTED>`
`16:51.27`	`JademusSreg`	`<PROTECTED>`
`16:51.28`	`JademusSreg`	`<PROTECTED>`
`16:51.30`	`JademusSreg`	`<PROTECTED>`
`16:51.32`	`JademusSreg`	`<PROTECTED>`
`16:51.34`	`JademusSreg`	`<PROTECTED>`
`16:52.08`	`Repo`	`Knowledge base page update: http://www.sc2mapster.com/api-docs/game-files/xml/behavior-data-xml/ by vjeux`
`16:53.53`	`JademusSreg`	`Needs a table o' contents.`
`16:54.00`	`monoframe`	`Jade, do you anything about adding attachments? Excluding setting up model to be used for attachments, and making new attachment points.`
`16:54.49`	`vjeux`	`JademusSreg: I'm considering changing the layout, having one page per <C...>`
`16:55.03`	`vjeux`	`because the pages are WAYY too long`
`16:55.29`	`vjeux`	`but it may generate WAYY too many pages :p`
`16:56.19`	`JademusSreg`	`I don't know anything about attachments yet. I haven't tinkered with them at all.`
`16:56.38`	`JademusSreg`	`What are you trying to attach?`
`16:57.23`	`monoframe`	`an Observer to Marauder's Back`
`16:57.32`	`monoframe`	`Made a "Ref_Back" attachment point for it`
`16:57.38`	`JademusSreg`	`I think Documentation like that works best on a single page, vjeux.`
`16:57.42`	`monoframe`	`wait a sec`
`16:58.10`	`JademusSreg`	`It just needs some links to make it easier to navigate.`
`16:58.11`	`vjeux`	`probably`
`16:58.18`	`monoframe`	`and also new model added`
`16:58.20`	`monoframe`	`<PROTECTED>`
`16:58.20`	`monoframe`	`<PROTECTED>`
`16:58.20`	`monoframe`	`<PROTECTED>`
`16:58.20`	`monoframe`	`<PROTECTED>`
`16:58.21`	`monoframe`	`<PROTECTED>`
`16:58.21`	`monoframe`	`<PROTECTED>`
`16:58.21`	`monoframe`	`<PROTECTED>`
`16:58.34`	`monoframe`	`MarauderMissile being the replaced Missile with Observer`
`16:59.15`	`monoframe`	`I've made few look-outs and found that SCV are carrying mineral and vespene tanks using attachment points`
`16:59.40`	`monoframe`	`so thought I could deep into SCV xmls to find the propable solution`
`16:59.41`	`JademusSreg`	`While I wonder why you wouldn't just change the mode path to Observer model, I guess that isn't the issue at hand.`
`16:59.59`	`monoframe`	`well, yeah`
`17:00.00`	`JademusSreg`	`*model path`
`17:00.24`	`monoframe`	`I didn't know of it when starting simple modifications, and don't really need now, as long a`
`17:00.28`	`monoframe`	`s it's working`
`17:00.44`	`monoframe`	`I'm only doing for my own fun`
`17:00.51`	`monoframe`	`so attachment issue being at hand`
`17:01.22`	`JademusSreg`	`You said you defined an attachment point?`
`17:01.39`	`monoframe`	`.m3h files are attachment point files`
`17:02.07`	`monoframe`	`just enter a new value and set the plane coordinates`
`17:03.19`	`monoframe`	`so while searching I've found that builders get into their "Attachment Carrying" mode under conditions`
`17:03.27`	`monoframe`	`while I only need it to be passive`
`17:03.35`	`JademusSreg`	`So what is your reference for the attachment point? Ref_Back?`
`17:03.52`	`monoframe`	`so trying to rely on Medivacs or SCVs is kind of useless`
`17:03.59`	`monoframe`	`lemme paste`
`17:04.15`	`monoframe`	`<PROTECTED>`
`17:04.16`	`monoframe`	`<Possition value="0.000000,0.390026,0.810142"></Position>`
`17:04.16`	`monoframe`	`<Rotation value="0.000000,0.000000,0.000000,1.000000"></Rotation>`
`17:04.16`	`monoframe`	`<PROTECTED>`
`17:05.19`	`vjeux`	`<KillResource index="Minerals" value="1"/> works so well, that's really nice`
`17:05.37`	`ckknight`	`hey all`
`17:05.41`	`ckknight`	`I have a lunch break`
`17:05.44`	`vjeux`	`heya ckknight`
`17:05.45`	`ckknight`	`who wants to play?`
`17:06.38`	`monoframe`	`with position value, it seems like it's actually y,x,z, not x,y,z`
`17:06.40`	`nicoli_s`	`oh damn vjeux: can that set it so when you kill a unit you get resources?`
`17:06.47`	`vjeux`	`yup`
`17:06.50`	`nicoli_s`	`awesome`
`17:07.01`	`JademusSreg`	`Bounty has been reediscovered.`
`17:07.04`	`nicoli_s`	`good job :)`
`17:07.23`	`vjeux`	`well, not my finding`
`17:07.30`	`vjeux`	`yuggren found it`
`17:07.41`	`vjeux`	`I've no clue how he discovered this`
`17:07.59`	`ckknight`	`ScytheBlade1: ping`
`17:09.04`	`ScytheBlade1`	`ckknight: pong`
`17:09.22`	`ckknight`	`up for playing?`
`17:09.29`	`ScytheBlade1`	`let me check on the laundry real quick`
`17:09.31`	`ckknight`	`k`
`17:09.32`	`ScytheBlade1`	`should be done soon`
`17:09.32`	`ScytheBlade1`	`brb`
`17:10.36`	`JademusSreg`	`I'm up for a quick game.`
`17:12.25`	`ckknight`	`JademusSreg: what's your ID?`
`17:12.32`	`ScytheBlade1`	`rebooting`
`17:12.33`	`vjeux`	`wtf I've lost all localized strings again -_-`
`17:12.39`	`JademusSreg`	`JademusSreg.demiurge`
`17:13.13`	`JademusSreg`	`If we can wrap it up in about 20 minutes, that would be fine.`
`17:13.17`	`JademusSreg`	`Launching game.`
`17:14.17`	`nicoli_s`	`how the hell do you keep doing that vjeux? :P\`
`17:16.37`	`ScytheBlade1`	`I'm in game`
`17:17.18`	`vjeux`	`have no idea, didn't do anything stranger than usual`
`17:19.24`	`nicoli_s`	`thats so weird`
`17:19.29`	`vjeux`	`yup`
`17:23.00`	`JademusSreg`	`Your Zerglings exploited my most vulnerable area; my feelings. sniffle`
`17:23.14`	`JademusSreg`	`No, actually, I was stupid and left my gate open.`
`17:23.24`	`JademusSreg`	`Lowered depot for the loss.`
`17:23.29`	`nicoli_s`	`lol`
`17:25.38`	`JademusSreg`	`brb`
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`17:32.30`	`Corbo`	`hai`
`17:32.34`	`vjeux`	`hey`
`17:34.56`	`monoframe`	`Corbo! any luck on Skyboxes?`
`17:36.05`	`monoframe`	`Yesterday I messed up a bit with them, and changeg the one ScrapStation has.`
`17:36.13`	`monoframe`	`changed*`
`17:36.16`	`monoframe`	`s:`
`17:36.21`	`Corbo`	`not really`
`17:36.26`	`Corbo`	`I'm doing somethign else right now`
`17:37.21`	`JademusSreg`	`Hm. I think I shall see if I can make supply depot lower and raising autocast.`
`17:43.29`	`Corbo`	`hmmm`
`17:43.59`	`Corbo`	`sixen linked me to a site`
`17:44.06`	`Corbo`	`where they linked all units byt type`
`17:44.08`	`Corbo`	`and race`
`17:44.15`	`Corbo`	`any one knows it?`
`17:44.30`	`nicoli_s`	`sc2armory?`
`17:45.17`	`Corbo`	`maybe`
`17:45.24`	`Corbo`	`it wasn't this one`
`17:45.26`	`vjeux`	`starcraft-source got it too`
`17:45.28`	`Corbo`	`but this works`
`17:45.54`	`Corbo`	`actually it doesn't I don't know which units are air or not :p`
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`17:49.10`	`Bifuu`	`such a good sleep`
`17:50.13`	`JademusSreg`	`Testing if my depot raising/lowering is autocast.`
`17:50.41`	`nicoli_s`	`hey sholdak: you around?`
`17:52.48`	`Sholdak`	`hi`
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`17:55.05`	`nicoli_s`	`hey sholdak: does the data stuff youve done have support for attaching extra attributes on the entry elements?`
`17:55.24`	`nicoli_s`	`cuz for object data, ill need to do stuff like <Unit id="260" position="51,111,0" rotation="3.4943" scale="1,1,1" unitType="DestructibleRock4x4"/>`
`17:56.04`	`Sholdak`	`it supports have a predefined set of possible attributes`
`17:56.08`	`Sholdak`	`all of which are optional`
`17:56.43`	`Sholdak`	`like id, default, parent atm`
`17:56.55`	`Sholdak`	`so yea`
`17:57.11`	`nicoli_s`	`so how do i define those to make them attributes on the element, rather than child elements?`
`17:58.02`	`JademusSreg`	`Hah. My depot raised and lowered repeatedly. So it's not quite working.`
`17:58.19`	`Sholdak`	`well first SC2 is fine <Unit> <id value=260/> <position value=".."> </Unit>`
`17:58.30`	`Sholdak`	`that would be the easiest way to do it`
`17:58.36`	`nicoli_s`	`oh really? ok cool didnt know that`
`17:58.41`	`nicoli_s`	`will just implement it that way then`
`18:00.45`	`Sholdak`	`if you want to force to write them as attributes, overwrite GetXMLData and call writeProperty with isAttribute=true`
`18:01.02`	`nicoli_s`	`mmk`
`18:01.03`	`Corbo`	`is NydusWorm really an unit?`
`18:01.04`	`Corbo`	`:p`
`18:01.05`	`Sholdak`	`you prob have to overwrite that for object data anyway since these things dont have ids or default`
`18:01.35`	`nicoli_s`	`mmk, ill just keep them as elements, and just convert the attributes in existing maps to elements on load`
`18:01.37`	`nicoli_s`	`just easier`
`18:01.51`	`vjeux`	`nicoli_s: mwe is trying to use enUS.sc2something`
`18:02.01`	`vjeux`	`but enUS is hardcoded :(`
`18:02.28`	`nicoli_s`	`yep`
`18:02.38`	`nicoli_s`	`we arent multi-lingual yet`
`18:02.52`	`nicoli_s`	`but i can add it in, wont be hard`
`18:03.02`	`vjeux`	`well, just add it in the configuration file`
`18:05.32`	`vjeux`	`the autocompletion is awesome!`
`18:05.49`	`ckknight`	`ScytheBlade1: woo, I took you down!`
`18:06.09`	`Corbo`	`zergs only have 4 air units?`
`18:06.19`	`nicoli_s`	`glad you like it vjeux :)`
`18:06.28`	`nicoli_s`	`it can do error detection as well, going to be committing that tonight`
`18:06.35`	`nicoli_s`	`just syntax errors for now though`
`18:06.54`	`vjeux`	`using lapin?`
`18:06.57`	`nicoli_s`	`yeah`
`18:07.23`	`nicoli_s`	`gotta talk to him about help setting up how it reads in the core galaxy files so it can do undefined function and such as well`
`18:07.28`	`ckknight`	`Corbo: overlord, overseer, muta, corrupter, brood lord`
`18:07.43`	`Corbo`	`Corruptor too?`
`18:07.44`	`Corbo`	`k`
`18:07.46`	`Corbo`	`I had it on ground`
`18:07.55`	`ckknight`	`corrupter's anti-air`
`18:08.01`	`ckknight`	`morphs into brood lord`
`18:08.10`	`Corbo`	`Oh, it's corrupter?`
`18:08.32`	`nicoli_s`	`yeah, in sc1 it was the muta`
`18:08.56`	`vjeux`	`hmm, do you know a program like fraps that records normal windows (not opengl)`
`18:09.18`	`Corbo`	`hypercam?`
`18:09.27`	`vjeux`	`thanks`
`18:09.40`	`vjeux`	`the xml editor is really sexy`
`18:10.15`	`vjeux`	`are you using some kind of xsd to know what values are possible?`
`18:10.33`	`ckknight`	`ScytheBlade1: http://www.atlantahumane.org/puppycam.asp`
`18:10.42`	`Sholdak`	`well the ones that are in there are from the documentation`
`18:10.46`	`Sholdak`	`on sc2mapster`
`18:10.47`	`vjeux`	`ok`
`18:10.59`	`Sholdak`	`all the other datafiles will be from xsd`
`18:11.31`	`nicoli_s`	`you just gonna make a seperate project to generate the code for the other ones sholdak?`
`18:11.34`	`vjeux`	`wtf 400 viewers`
`18:11.56`	`Sholdak`	`i'm using a VS addin`
`18:11.57`	`nicoli_s`	`400 viewers of what vjeux?`
`18:12.03`	`vjeux`	`http://www.atlantahumane.org/puppycam.asp`
`18:12.05`	`Sholdak`	`that does most of it`
`18:12.07`	`nicoli_s`	`oh lol`
`18:12.32`	`Sholdak`	`it's not going to be as nice as the other stuff`
`18:12.50`	`Sholdak`	`for example it doesnt know possible values for any tag, so it can't do Enums`
`18:12.50`	`Corosus`	`omfg puppy cam`
`18:13.10`	`Sholdak`	`so that'll come later`
`18:14.39`	`monoframe`	`I remember a time when I clicked a livecam link which should've directed me to a live one band's performance. Instead I got some wierd show in a gay club <.<`
`18:15.09`	`Corbo`	`I wish this thing listed if the units are air or not`
`18:15.12`	`Corbo`	`instead of being`
`18:15.15`	`Corbo`	`"Powerful scout"`
`18:15.22`	`Corbo`	`"awesome transport"`
`18:15.24`	`vjeux`	`mwe is getting really nice`
`18:15.39`	`nicoli_s`	`yeah, mostly thanks to sholdak here`
`18:15.59`	`nicoli_s`	`without his architecting skills id be lost of sure`
`18:16.39`	`Corbo`	`hmm`
`18:16.46`	`Corbo`	`i'm guessing sentry is air`
`18:16.47`	`Corbo`	`>.>`
`18:16.56`	`vjeux`	`just look at the files Corbo :p`
`18:17.24`	`Bifuu`	`Sentry is ground lol`
`18:18.15`	`Corbo`	`I don't have the files with me :(`
`18:18.27`	`Corbo`	`Sentry's ground? >.>`
`18:18.49`	`JademusSreg`	`Extract the files from the mpqs.`
`18:19.01`	`Bifuu`	`They are ground units that attack land and air`
`18:19.52`	`JademusSreg`	`In the data, they are called Disrupters.`
`18:19.56`	`Corbo`	`I don't have the mpqs`
`18:20.00`	`ScytheBlade1`	`ckknight: lol`
`18:20.03`	`Corbo`	`I wouldn't be asking you guys if I did`
`18:20.04`	`Corbo`	`>.>`
`18:20.05`	`JademusSreg`	`You don't have the game?`
`18:20.08`	`Corbo`	`I do`
`18:20.10`	`ScytheBlade1`	`ckknight: I told you I was TERRIBLE at terran`
`18:20.12`	`Corbo`	`but not on this lappy`
`18:20.17`	`JademusSreg`	`Ah.`
`18:20.19`	`ckknight`	`hehe, ScytheBlade1`
`18:20.29`	`ScytheBlade1`	`I have no idea what a good offensive initial build is :/`
`18:20.40`	`ScytheBlade1`	`So I turtle and then do silly things like concede the... map`
`18:21.23`	`JademusSreg`	`I wall, marines, neosteel, maruader, factor, tech lab, starport, swap, starport, tech lab...`
`18:21.49`	`JademusSreg`	`Usually.`
`18:22.02`	`ScytheBlade1`	`ckknight: you could have done a warp prism and eaten me MUCH earlier though`
`18:22.11`	`ckknight`	`yea, never used one of those`
`18:22.11`	`ckknight`	`:p`
`18:22.15`	`ScytheBlade1`	`I noticed`
`18:22.16`	`ckknight`	`I'm bad, I know`
`18:22.17`	`ScytheBlade1`	`You should have`
`18:22.24`	`ckknight`	`no, I mean I've never used one`
`18:22.26`	`ckknight`	`ever`
`18:22.27`	`vjeux`	`nicoli_s: why are the dots in the map coloring from white to red in the map?`
`18:22.28`	`ScytheBlade1`	`lol`
`18:22.34`	`ScytheBlade1`	`It is the protoss transport`
`18:22.37`	`ckknight`	`:P`
`18:22.37`	`ckknight`	`yea`
`18:22.39`	`JademusSreg`	`If I expect air, I get a reactor and double-up on Vikings.`
`18:22.39`	`ScytheBlade1`	`And mobile pylon`
`18:22.41`	`ScytheBlade1`	`So... yeah.`
`18:22.51`	`JademusSreg`	`Phase Prism.`
`18:23.04`	`ckknight`	`ScytheBlade1: I still wanted to take every single expansion, though`
`18:23.06`	`ckknight`	`for kicks.`
`18:23.12`	`ScytheBlade1`	`not hard when I play terran`
`18:23.46`	`nicoli_s`	`vjeux: thats just what sholdak used for them, looked better than the crappy icons i had in before, eventually we'll use the same radius/color in the minimap`
`18:24.10`	`vjeux`	`ok`
`18:24.12`	`JademusSreg`	`Play agressive Terran isn't hard, though.`
`18:26.21`	`JademusSreg`	`Gotta go. bbl`
`18:26.25`	`vjeux`	`Sholdak: are you planning to handle parent and default values in the xml?`
`18:26.26`	`vjeux`	`cya`
`18:27.05`	`nicoli_s`	`vjeux: yeah eventually`
`18:27.13`	`vjeux`	`ok`
`18:27.33`	`vjeux`	`I hope the real editor is going to sucks so everyone will be using yours :p`
`18:27.45`	`Corbo`	`lol`
`18:27.59`	`nicoli_s`	`honestly, the more i think about it, the more i think our editor will survive as an alternative to GE\`
`18:28.20`	`nicoli_s`	`just because like sholdak said they probably wont allow raw galaxy or xml editing`
`18:28.37`	`vjeux`	`yup`
`18:28.39`	`nicoli_s`	`and for technical people, thats going to be alot easier than dealing with some of their more "user friendly" stuff`
`18:29.08`	`nicoli_s`	`and i plan to get in some basic UI editing in before the GE launch if possible`
`18:30.06`	`Sholdak`	`Sholdak: are you planning to handle parent and default values in the xml?`
`18:30.11`	`vjeux`	`i've posted on my school forums to recruit interested people on sc2mapster`
`18:30.12`	`Sholdak`	`yes somehow`
`18:30.17`	`vjeux`	`maybe someone will join :p`
`18:30.21`	`Sholdak`	`i'm not sure what's the best way yet`
`18:30.27`	`nicoli_s`	`vjeux: i think we have enough frenchies, thanks though :P`
`18:30.31`	`vjeux`	`xD`
`18:30.36`	`Sholdak`	`i want to be able to easily tell what values are from the parent, and which ones are from the unit`
`18:30.49`	`vjeux`	`you already have colored boxes`
`18:30.53`	`nicoli_s`	`the french modding community does always seem to be pretty active`
`18:30.54`	`JademusSreg`	`(It probably will allow raw Galaxy editing, but not xml.)`
`18:31.02`	`vjeux`	`yellow = default, green = parent, white = normal, red = changed`
`18:31.20`	`nicoli_s`	`you think so JademusSreg? they didnt allow raw jass editing for a while in war3's editor`
`18:31.21`	`vjeux`	`and won't have galaxy autocomplete for sure!`
`18:32.00`	`nicoli_s`	`im really hoping we'll be able to figure out some basic way of knowing what context you are in so we can shorten the auto complete list`
`18:32.12`	`nicoli_s`	`at least for xml it should be pretty easy`
`18:32.24`	`JademusSreg`	`(Blizzard has probably learned from that mistake. Would it make sense to allow an editor feature only to take it away in a new game? And yeah, it probably won't have auto-complete.)`
`18:32.28`	`vjeux`	`oh is this a global autocomplete?`
`18:32.33`	`nicoli_s`	`vjeux: yeah atm`
`18:32.50`	`nicoli_s`	`but it supports for creating a list based on certain types`
`18:33.05`	`nicoli_s`	`like galaxy types, control stryctyres, functions, variables, xml element names, etc`
`18:33.24`	`nicoli_s`	`and damn this new keyboard!`
`18:33.27`	`vjeux`	`need to add lapin parsing stuff`
`18:33.45`	`nicoli_s`	`yah well his code is in haskell, doesnt help us much :P`
`18:33.52`	`Sholdak`	`the most useful feature for autocomplete would be if it tells you the list of parameters`
`18:33.58`	`Sholdak`	`for a function, when you type '('`
`18:34.04`	`vjeux`	`yeah`
`18:34.30`	`nicoli_s`	`yeah i def think thats possible too, shouldnt be too hard at all`
`18:34.36`	`vjeux`	`"true" and "false" are not autocompleted btw`
`18:34.44`	`nicoli_s`	`ahh thanks, will add those`
`18:35.14`	`vjeux`	`also, the popup never fades!`
`18:35.41`	`nicoli_s`	`any other control strings im missing? if,else,break,while,return,true,false,const`
`18:35.43`	`Bifuu`	`How do you guys handle the Autocomplete? XML with all the stuff in it?`
`18:35.48`	`vjeux`	`continue`
`18:36.11`	`nicoli_s`	`bifuu: we basically have a list of strings along with a type, then load that list on demand`
`18:36.19`	`nicoli_s`	`and filter it based on the types you want`
`18:36.37`	`Bifuu`	`ah`
`18:36.39`	`nicoli_s`	`otherwise we'd be stuck with always having global auto complete`
`18:37.52`	`vjeux`	`nicoli_s: the popup list should be filtered by what you have previously written`
`18:38.04`	`nicoli_s`	`what do you mean vjeux?`
`18:38.04`	`vjeux`	`if you write xxx it will show the whole list`
`18:38.19`	`vjeux`	`it should only display values starting with xxx`
`18:38.36`	`nicoli_s`	`well the logic behind that isnt trivial`
`18:38.56`	`vjeux`	`have to go`
`18:38.57`	`vjeux`	`cya`
`18:39.03`	`nicoli_s`	`since you basically have to start at the current position, and read backwards till you hit a certain char, then read the string after that`
`18:39.09`	`nicoli_s`	`but thatll come later as well`
`18:40.51`	`Sholdak`	`you can also keep a buffer of input characters and clear the buffer when someone types space`
`18:41.00`	`Sholdak`	`or enter or changes cursor location`
`18:41.06`	`Sholdak`	`dunno if that's easier or harder`
`18:41.07`	`nicoli_s`	`well space,or ] or ) or a bunch of other stuff`
`18:44.44`	`*** join/#sc2mapster valkrial (~stephen@S01060018f83eb1ee.pk.shawcable.net)`
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`18:47.38`	`valkrial`	`attention chatroom! are the people responsible for making the tower defence map currently in the room?`
`18:47.38`	`valkrial`	`:P`
`18:47.47`	`nicoli_s`	`he just left`
`18:47.54`	`valkrial`	`or for that matter anyone who has successfully edited the tech tree?`
`18:47.57`	`nicoli_s`	`but i can prob help you with whatever`
`18:48.08`	`nicoli_s`	`valkrial: edited it how?`
`18:48.23`	`valkrial`	`im trying to get scvs to build non terran units`
`18:48.39`	`nicoli_s`	`well youll need to edit the abildata`
`18:48.44`	`valkrial`	`yeah and unitdata`
`18:48.48`	`nicoli_s`	`yep`
`18:48.48`	`valkrial`	`anything else?`
`18:48.55`	`nicoli_s`	`nope, that should be it`
`18:49.01`	`valkrial`	`wierd.`
`18:49.11`	`nicoli_s`	`i know your issue though`
`18:49.16`	`valkrial`	`oh?`
`18:49.17`	`nicoli_s`	`its not showing up in game right?`
`18:49.20`	`valkrial`	`yes!`
`18:49.22`	`valkrial`	`do tell`
`18:49.32`	`nicoli_s`	`lemme find you the post explaining it`
`18:49.37`	`valkrial`	`kk thx`
`18:49.53`	`nicoli_s`	`and luckily we do have a way around it already, which im sure you saw by the TD`
`18:50.11`	`valkrial`	`well the TD didnt work on my computer :(`
`18:50.15`	`nicoli_s`	`http://forums.sc2mapster.com/development/map-development/209-mpq-problems/`
`18:50.31`	`valkrial`	`ill go read that`
`18:51.13`	`nicoli_s`	`oh swee`
`18:51.24`	`nicoli_s`	`JademusSreg: http://forums.sc2mapster.com/development/map-development/284-heros-level-and-xp/`
`18:52.14`	`Bifuu`	`Did you see the chinese site?`
`18:52.27`	`nicoli_s`	`nope`
`18:52.45`	`Bifuu`	`http://forums.sc2mapster.com/development/map-development/285-something-to-help-with-the-modding-process/`
`18:53.53`	`Bifuu`	`just stick the site through google translate and you are golden`
`18:54.00`	`Bifuu`	`(I use chrome so it auto does it for me)`
`18:54.24`	`monoframe`	`For model colouring is ARGB or RGBA used?`
`18:55.21`	`nicoli_s`	`bifuu: is it really readable?`
`18:55.30`	`nicoli_s`	`cuz there looks to be a bunch of cool info in there`
`18:55.33`	`valkrial`	`thanks for the links. so if I use the td loaded to load my map it should work?`
`18:55.56`	`Bifuu`	`http://translate.google.com/translate?js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=1&eotf=1&u=http://bbs.islga.org/read-htm-tid-39398.html&sl=zh-CN&tl=en`
`18:55.57`	`Bifuu`	`there nic`
`18:57.58`	`nicoli_s`	`very cool stuff, wish it was more readable though`
`18:58.18`	`*** join/#sc2mapster ckknight-test (~ckknight-@69.73.16.202)`
`18:58.54`	`ckknight`	`hmm`
`18:59.03`	`ckknight`	`we can link http://java.freenode.net//index.php?channel=sc2mapster to people`
`18:59.08`	`ckknight`	`if they don't have an IRC client`
`19:02.13`	`nicoli_s`	`man, this guy did some really cool shit`
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`19:06.30`	`Repo`	`New knowledge base page: http://wiki.sc2mapster.com/irc-information/ by ckknight`
`19:07.41`	`nicoli_s`	`this guy is using some xml stuff ive never seen before`
`19:07.45`	`nicoli_s`	`<?token <-- wtf is that?`
`19:08.38`	`Zoxc`	`learn XML :)`
`19:09.52`	`nicoli_s`	`well i mean ive never seen it anywhere else in the gamedata xml`
`19:11.21`	`monoframe`	`MPQ Editor comes up with an error when trying to import new files, what to do? Tried to change the compression method, yet nothing`
`19:11.38`	`nicoli_s`	`hmm, what files monoframe?`
`19:11.43`	`monoframe`	`any files`
`19:11.45`	`monoframe`	`doesn't matter`
`19:12.01`	`monoframe`	`or wait`
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`19:13.12`	`monoframe`	`"Failed to add the file to the MPQ (Error code 39)"`
`19:16.33`	`nicoli_s`	`man this hero stuff is really cool\`
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`19:17.28`	`nicoli_s`	`bout to try out this chinese hero map`
`19:17.54`	`Bifuu`	`lol`
`19:17.55`	`nicoli_s`	`gregv21: great find with the chinese hero map`
`19:19.47`	`Zoxc`	`monoframe: What's the maximum number of files in the MPQ?`
`19:20.15`	`monoframe`	`I'm editing a map`
`19:20.26`	`monoframe`	`I'll just try another MPQ editor program`
`19:20.34`	`monoframe`	`but there should be none actually`
`19:20.40`	`monoframe`	`as long as the program doesn't limit it`
`19:20.59`	`Corbo`	`the max is either 64 or 128`
`19:21.03`	`Corbo`	`depends on the map`
`19:21.11`	`Corbo`	`it's completely arbitrary and sux`
`19:21.20`	`Zoxc`	`my launcher can expand the limit`
`19:21.23`	`monoframe`	`And how the MPQ knows what is a map, and what's not?`
`19:21.40`	`monoframe`	`especially for an MPQ editor built in accordance to WC3`
`19:21.42`	`monoframe`	`not SC2?`
`19:21.55`	`*** join/#sc2mapster Sixen (~Sixen@214.sub-97-213-169.myvzw.com)`
`19:21.55`	`*** mode/#sc2mapster [+o Sixen] by ChanServ`
`19:21.56`	`Zoxc`	`MPQ editors edit MPQ files`
`19:21.58`	`Sixen`	`Zzzzz`
`19:22.09`	`monoframe`	`wait`
`19:22.12`	`Sixen`	`Orly zoxc? :P.`
`19:22.39`	`monoframe`	`I could delete additional useless sc2data files`
`19:22.40`	`Zoxc`	`monoframe doesn't seem to know that`
`19:22.52`	`Sixen`	`Oh, heh.`
`19:22.54`	`monoframe`	`such as the ones in deDE.SC2Data`
`19:22.56`	`Corbo`	`errr`
`19:22.56`	`monoframe`	`yay`
`19:23.07`	`Sholdak`	`wow this chinese map is pretty impressive`
`19:23.08`	`Corbo`	`the problem is that MPQEditors don't really add new files`
`19:23.11`	`Corbo`	`if the map has a limit`
`19:23.12`	`Sholdak`	`from the screenshots`
`19:23.15`	`Sixen`	`Sure vmono, but then german cleitns won't play your map.`
`19:23.24`	`monoframe`	`I'm making it for myself`
`19:23.25`	`Sixen`	`Chinese map?`
`19:23.26`	`monoframe`	`not others`
`19:23.34`	`monoframe`	`The one with heroes, abilities`
`19:23.39`	`monoframe`	`and so on`
`19:23.47`	`Sholdak`	`http://translate.google.com/translate?js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=1&eotf=1&u=http://bbs.islga.org/read-htm-tid-39398.html&sl=zh-CN&tl=en`
`19:23.50`	`Sixen`	`Where?`
`19:23.53`	`monoframe`	`Yesterday's work pales in comparison`
`19:24.17`	`gregv21`	`ty`
`19:24.45`	`nicoli_s`	`sholdak: im playing it now`
`19:24.53`	`nicoli_s`	`he did a crazy amount of stuff in it`
`19:25.11`	`nicoli_s`	`just about to build a hero unit :P`
`19:25.34`	`nicoli_s`	`but other than some slight xml weirdness in the behaviordata file, it looks pretty simple`
`19:25.50`	`Sholdak`	`well the biggest deal is how he did abilities`
`19:25.58`	`Sixen`	`Wow, nice.`
`19:26.25`	`Bifuu`	`All this new stuff thats being found out just makes me lazier as i wait for Galaxy lol`
`19:26.38`	`Sixen`	`Lol, bif.`
`19:26.39`	`Sholdak`	`he even included a custom model apparently`
`19:26.56`	`monoframe`	`custom model for what?`
`19:26.58`	`Sixen`	`Is it a team or just one person?`
`19:26.59`	`Bifuu`	`its an effect`
`19:27.00`	`Sholdak`	`unless that's just there for no apparent reason`
`19:27.02`	`Sholdak`	`portrait`
`19:27.20`	`Sholdak`	`for the protoss hero`
`19:27.39`	`monoframe`	`Screenshot link? s:`
`19:27.43`	`Sholdak`	`it's prob just cause he didnt clean patchdata before uploading`
`19:27.43`	`nicoli_s`	`well sadly i couldnt get it to work :(`
`19:27.44`	`Bifuu`	`o thay`
`19:27.46`	`Bifuu`	`that`
`19:28.04`	`nicoli_s`	`when i built a gateway i couldnt build the hero units, not sure why`
`19:28.08`	`Bifuu`	`id lol if this was an April fools joke`
`19:28.30`	`monoframe`	`alul`
`19:28.56`	`nicoli_s`	`its not`
`19:29.07`	`nicoli_s`	`im looking at the gamedata now`
`19:29.18`	`nicoli_s`	`i just wonder how he figured this stuff out`
`19:29.43`	`nicoli_s`	`like <CAbilLearn default="1" id="NLearn">`
`19:29.44`	`nicoli_s`	`<?token id="l1" type="CAbilLink"?>`
`19:29.44`	`nicoli_s`	`<?token id="l2" type="CAbilLink"?>`
`19:29.44`	`nicoli_s`	`<?token id="l3" type="CAbilLink"?>`
`19:29.44`	`nicoli_s`	`<?token id="l4" type="CAbilLink"?>`
`19:29.44`	`nicoli_s`	`<PROTECTED>`
`19:29.44`	`nicoli_s`	`<PROTECTED>`
`19:29.44`	`Sholdak`	`well we have the attribute stuff there`
`19:29.45`	`nicoli_s`	`<PROTECTED>`
`19:29.45`	`nicoli_s`	`<PROTECTED>`
`19:29.45`	`Sholdak`	`<CBehaviorVeterancy id="TestLvUp">`
`19:29.45`	`Sholdak`	`<PROTECTED>`
`19:29.45`	`Sholdak`	`<PROTECTED>`
`19:29.45`	`Sholdak`	`<PROTECTED>`
`19:29.46`	`Sholdak`	`<PROTECTED>`
`19:29.46`	`nicoli_s`	`<Button State="Restricted" Requirements="ReachLv6"/>`
`19:29.46`	`nicoli_s`	`<PROTECTED>`
`19:29.46`	`Sholdak`	`<PROTECTED>`
`19:29.46`	`Sholdak`	`<PROTECTED>`
`19:29.47`	`nicoli_s`	`<PROTECTED>`
`19:29.47`	`nicoli_s`	`<PROTECTED>`
`19:29.47`	`Sholdak`	`<PROTECTED>`
`19:29.47`	`Sholdak`	`<PROTECTED>`
`19:29.48`	`nicoli_s`	`<PROTECTED>`
`19:29.48`	`nicoli_s`	`<PROTECTED>`
`19:29.49`	`nicoli_s`	`<PROTECTED>`
`19:29.49`	`nicoli_s`	`<CAbilLearn id="ASLearn" parent="NLearn" l1="RCBomb" l2="FakeNuke" l3="HallucinationTrap" l4="MatrixActive"/>`
`19:29.50`	`nicoli_s`	`<CAbilLearn id="AHLearn" parent="NLearn" l1="TimeDomination" l2="CallOfAdun" l3="SummonImmortal" l4="MassTeleport"/>`
`19:29.52`	`nicoli_s`	`sry for the spam :P`
`19:30.01`	`ckknight`	`I want to make a map that has germ warfare in it`
`19:30.09`	`nicoli_s`	`lol`
`19:30.35`	`Bifuu`	`So much XML between 2 people = my brain in pai`
`19:30.37`	`Bifuu`	`n`
`19:30.42`	`ckknight`	`be able to get a unit sick and then they can spread it to others`
`19:31.07`	`monoframe`	`Or make an ant mod`
`19:31.13`	`ckknight`	`also could be neat`
`19:31.18`	`monoframe`	`Where other ants stack up depending on situation`
`19:31.20`	`ckknight`	`SimAnt ftw`
`19:31.20`	`Sixen`	`Like the wow event, ckk? :P.`
`19:31.36`	`Bifuu`	`fucking zombies`
`19:31.42`	`monoframe`	`so if one side is infested - and uninfested ants would be to another corner`
`19:31.47`	`monoframe`	`other*`
`19:32.01`	`monoframe`	`could be some sort of a simulation`
`19:32.04`	`Corbo`	`brb lunch`
`19:32.09`	`Corbo`	`I'm done with this program :D`
`19:32.09`	`Sixen`	`:o`
`19:32.12`	`Corbo`	`ready to release`
`19:32.13`	`monoframe`	`Pretty much AI coding`
`19:32.16`	`Corbo`	`but after lunch`
`19:32.39`	`nicoli_s`	`i cant wait to get this hero stuff in MWE :)`
`19:32.41`	`monoframe`	`Priorities`
`19:33.13`	`Sixen`	`What program did corbo make?`
`19:34.21`	`nicoli_s`	`dunno`
`19:34.32`	`nicoli_s`	`if someone is able to get that hero map working in game lemme know`
`19:34.34`	`Sixen`	`Hmph`
`19:34.37`	`ckknight`	`everyone fill out http://www.sc2mapster.com/home/edit-battlenet-name/`
`19:34.37`	`Sholdak`	`<Button State="Restricted" Requirements="ReachLv6"/>`
`19:34.38`	`Sholdak`	`nice`
`19:34.44`	`ckknight`	`it'll make it show on your forum posts`
`19:35.23`	`Sixen`	`How'd he find that stuff, :X.`
`19:35.27`	`nicoli_s`	`yeah sholdak: when i first read that, i saw it the opposite way, where once you reach lvl 6, its restrictied, but now i see its the opposite`
`19:35.30`	`nicoli_s`	`who knows sixen`
`19:35.37`	`Bifuu`	`Sixen: thats what i wanna know lol`
`19:35.59`	`Sholdak`	`it's the ultimate`
`19:36.08`	`Sixen`	`I wonder if war3 is similar?`
`19:36.33`	`Sholdak`	`<CRequirement id="ReachLv6">`
`19:36.34`	`Sholdak`	`<PROTECTED>`
`19:36.34`	`Sholdak`	`<PROTECTED>`
`19:36.45`	`Sholdak`	`<PROTECTED>`
`19:36.45`	`Sholdak`	`<PROTECTED>`
`19:36.45`	`Sholdak`	`<PROTECTED>`
`19:37.04`	`Sixen`	`:o`
`19:37.12`	`Sholdak`	`<CRequirementCountBehavior id="CountBehaviorNotLv6">`
`19:37.13`	`Sholdak`	`<PROTECTED>`
`19:37.13`	`Sholdak`	`<PROTECTED>`
`19:37.13`	`Sholdak`	`wtf`
`19:37.19`	`Sholdak`	`that's pretty annoying`
`19:37.38`	`nicoli_s`	`yeah thats going to be real hard to present in a nice way`
`19:37.42`	`Sholdak`	`so what does count link to?`
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`19:38.05`	`nicoli_s`	`whatevr NotLv6 is`
`19:38.39`	`nicoli_s`	`it seems like it would have been better to do an or with = or greater than, instead of using not`
`19:39.28`	`Sholdak`	`aha`
`19:39.29`	`Sholdak`	`<PROTECTED>`
`19:39.29`	`Sholdak`	`<PROTECTED>`
`19:39.29`	`Sholdak`	`<Value value="6"/>`
`19:39.36`	`nicoli_s`	`ahhh well there you go`
`19:39.41`	`Sholdak`	`<Behavior value="TestLvUp"/>`
`19:39.41`	`Sholdak`	`<PROTECTED>`
`19:39.49`	`Sholdak`	`ok so you make a validator`
`19:39.58`	`Sholdak`	`then you make a requirement node for that validator`
`19:40.03`	`Sholdak`	`then you make a requirement for that`
`19:40.10`	`Sholdak`	`then you link your ability with the requirement`
`19:40.32`	`nicoli_s`	`fun`
`19:42.36`	`nicoli_s`	`ok so i gotta work on a map to use some of this stuff`
`19:42.48`	`Sholdak`	`i want to make an AoS now`
`19:43.06`	`nicoli_s`	`well we should decide on a map concept to do to show off the power of MWE`
`19:43.27`	`Sholdak`	`hmm`
`19:43.33`	`nicoli_s`	`what all is involved with doing an AoS?`
`19:44.07`	`Sholdak`	`heroes, spawning units from 2 sides, 2 pre-designed bases`
`19:44.47`	`nicoli_s`	`well that should all be possible right now`
`19:45.14`	`nicoli_s`	`do you have different hero types to choose from?`
`19:45.15`	`Sholdak`	`oh items`
`19:45.21`	`Sholdak`	`yea`
`19:45.31`	`Sholdak`	`items is the last thing we have figured out ye`
`19:45.33`	`Sholdak`	`yet*`
`19:45.50`	`nicoli_s`	`mmk, well then thatll be something ill work on this weekend, is being able to prompt a user for what kind of hero to make, and then make it for them and then lock you out of the other ones`
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`19:46.04`	`nicoli_s`	`or rather, we could just do that from gamedata`
`19:46.21`	`nicoli_s`	`just put requirements on each button to create the hero that you only have one of all of them`
`19:46.24`	`Sholdak`	`easiest way is to just build the hero`
`19:46.29`	`Sholdak`	`and then destroy the building`
`19:46.49`	`nicoli_s`	`well these requirements dont seem to hard to do`
`19:46.52`	`Sholdak`	`true`
`19:48.30`	`Bifuu`	`i love easter`
`19:48.34`	`Bifuu`	`Malted Milk Eggs`
`19:48.35`	`Bifuu`	`mmmmm`
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`19:54.06`	`nicoli_s`	`man this stuff is getting me excited`
`19:54.36`	`ckknight`	`just finish up, then go to your room`
`19:54.48`	`nicoli_s`	`lol`
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`20:01.46`	`nicoli_s`	`wb sixen`
`20:05.39`	`*** join/#sc2mapster Sixen (~Sixen@149-169-109-126.nat.asu.edu)`
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`20:05.52`	`monoframe`	`Are there any ranged attacks on Protoss side, which would look like Terran HEllion's?`
`20:06.09`	`Sixen`	`I keep dropping =\|`
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`20:10.30`	`Sixen`	`anyone have that link to the chinese map handy?`
`20:10.40`	`Sixen`	`On my laptop now, my phone wasn't doing me jsutice :p`
`20:12.04`	`Sholdak`	`<PROTECTED>`
`20:12.16`	`Sholdak`	`it worked for me btw nicoli_s`
`20:12.37`	`nicoli_s`	`really? hmm weird`
`20:12.45`	`nicoli_s`	`you could build heros at the gateway?`
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`20:17.01`	`nicoli_s`	`hi xan`
`20:29.20`	`Sholdak`	`yup`
`20:29.25`	`Sholdak`	`err at the barracks`
`20:29.31`	`Sholdak`	`i havent tried the protoss yet`
`20:29.44`	`nicoli_s`	`hmm, will try terran then`
`20:32.58`	`nicoli_s`	`wtf still doesnt work for me`
`20:33.17`	`nicoli_s`	`did you play a custom game on bnet? or use ll?`
`20:33.21`	`Sholdak`	`ll`
`20:33.24`	`Sholdak`	`you replaced the patch files right`
`20:33.30`	`nicoli_s`	`yah`
`20:33.32`	`Sholdak`	`in the most recent version`
`20:33.36`	`Sholdak`	`and ran ll without arguments`
`20:34.58`	`nicoli_s`	`weird, wonder why it didnt work on a custom game, in a ll game now to see if its working`
`20:35.01`	`monoframe`	`Do these heroes use Attachments?`
`20:35.21`	`nicoli_s`	`not that i know of\`
`20:35.34`	`monoframe`	`Cause there's an effect added to Ref_Base it seems from the screenshots`
`20:35.42`	`monoframe`	`gonna download and look into`
`20:38.00`	`nicoli_s`	`wtf, still doesnt work for me`
`20:38.16`	`nicoli_s`	`and im putting the new mpqs in like it said`
`20:38.49`	`ckknight`	`http://i39.tinypic.com/30age4x.jpg`
`20:38.55`	`nicoli_s`	`what ll version sholdak?`
`20:39.19`	`Sixen`	`lol ckk`
`20:39.21`	`Sholdak`	`uhh 2`
`20:39.24`	`Sholdak`	`shouldnt matter though`
`20:40.33`	`monoframe`	`damn that image's trippy`
`20:40.37`	`ScytheBlade1`	`lol`
`20:40.38`	`monoframe`	`gonna make it my desktop`
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`20:41.14`	`monoframe`	`or better yet - animate it to a gif and then put on my desktop`
`20:41.25`	`monoframe`	`a whole swarm of moving black/green lines`
`20:41.46`	`monoframe`	`and do I see a smilie in the middle?`
`20:41.52`	`ScytheBlade1`	`I dunno`
`20:41.53`	`ScytheBlade1`	`DO YOU?`
`20:41.54`	`monoframe`	`the Awesome smilie`
`20:41.56`	`monoframe`	`YES`
`20:42.01`	`ScytheBlade1`	`=]`
`20:43.58`	`monoframe`	`says "Rar (1573 K)"`
`20:44.04`	`monoframe`	`turns into a 9 megabyte overload`
`20:45.02`	`nicoli_s`	`ahh thats cool, he uses the same idea as me for the heros`
`20:45.42`	`*** part/#sc2mapster Sixen (~Sixen@149-169-109-126.nat.asu.edu)`
`20:47.36`	`nicoli_s`	`its just weird it wouldnt launch for me without ll`
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`20:48.24`	`monoframe`	`Try contacting him, maybe you could stick for each other in the cold and harsh modding world of StarCraft 2 Beta. But don't forget that when trying to speak up to a chinese man, firstly start your talk with Military Threats and how you will obliterate his army (psst Melee him).`
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`20:49.41`	`nicoli_s`	`hi Ellerymsg`
`20:49.47`	`Ellerymsg`	`Hello`
`20:50.03`	`Ellerymsg`	`Don't mind me, I'm just lurking here`
`20:50.48`	`nicoli_s`	`mmk, any particular reason?`
`20:51.27`	`Ellerymsg`	`I'm curious about what's going on, I've been really excited about the stuff that sc2mapster has been doing, ever since I saw that post by sixen, I believe`
`20:52.20`	`nicoli_s`	`well glad to have you :)`
`20:56.08`	`ckknight`	`You shall not pass!`
`20:57.04`	`ckknight`	`okay, you can pass`
`20:57.22`	`Ellerymsg`	`woo?`
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`21:03.30`	`*** join/#sc2mapster Corbo (~thecorbo@190.87.85.250)`
`21:03.39`	`Corbo`	`hai`
`21:03.45`	`nicoli_s`	`heya`
`21:04.24`	`Corbo`	`Do you know if the position in objects is x,y,z`
`21:04.50`	`Corosus`	`yeah, cept y starts from the bottom`
`21:05.13`	`Corbo`	`=/`
`21:05.17`	`Corbo`	`this is weird then`
`21:05.27`	`Corosus`	`just tried out the latest map editor, glad to see its got the ability to place a unit on the map using the map picture :D`
`21:05.49`	`Corosus`	`high fives the devs in here`
`21:06.56`	`Corbo`	`what's the last version?`
`21:06.59`	`Ellerymsg`	`So far I absolutely fail at your map editor (I think its my install of something) but I'm really happy to see that people are doing a massive amount with what amounts to a small fraction of the galaxy editor`
`21:07.04`	`Corbo`	`2 daYS AGO?`
`21:07.37`	`Corosus`	`yeah`
`21:07.43`	`Corosus`	`46 hours ago to be exact`
`21:08.29`	`Corosus`	`Ellerymsg, you'll have to open up settings.xml and update it to your starcraft 2 path if you want it to open a map without crashing`
`21:09.00`	`Corbo`	`I get error`
`21:09.04`	`Corbo`	`I forgot how to fix mmm`
`21:09.08`	`Ellerymsg`	`hmm...that would indeed help...now I wish I hadn't deleted my install of sc2 on this computer for space :(`
`21:09.30`	`Corbo`	`oh that's right`
`21:09.38`	`Corbo`	`changning the mpq locations`
`21:09.57`	`Corosus`	`lol`
`21:11.25`	`ckknight`	`Ellerymsg: reinstall!`
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`21:12.37`	`Ellerymsg`	`I already used the space :/ this is a laptop with 100GB of space, half of which is music`
`21:13.08`	`ckknight`	`you don't need that much music`
`21:13.16`	`ckknight`	`so delete your Miley Cyrus collection`
`21:13.18`	`ckknight`	`and gogogo`
`21:13.23`	`Ellerymsg`	`O.o I find that comment hilarious`
`21:13.27`	`Ellerymsg`	`...`
`21:14.11`	`Corbo`	`how to you place the units`
`21:14.15`	`Corbo`	`using the minimap`
`21:14.17`	`Corbo`	`like you say`
`21:14.20`	`Corbo`	`said*`
`21:16.58`	`Corbo`	`oh`
`21:17.03`	`Corbo`	`you right click and add them`
`21:17.05`	`Corbo`	`interesting`
`21:22.54`	`Corbo`	`oh well`
`21:23.03`	`Corbo`	`seems like I wasted like 5 horus of my life then :P`
`21:23.17`	`Corbo`	`and a couple of neurons while learning VB :P`
`21:23.35`	`Corosus`	`lol`
`21:23.36`	`ckknight`	`Corbo: what version of VB?`
`21:24.03`	`Corbo`	`6 >.>`
`21:24.12`	`Corosus`	`bad corbo!`
`21:24.19`	`Corbo`	`D:`
`21:24.21`	`ckknight`	`bad Corbo`
`21:24.23`	`ckknight`	`no banana`
`21:24.26`	`Corbo`	`QQ`
`21:24.28`	`ckknight`	`don't learn VB6`
`21:24.35`	`Corbo`	`I wasn't planning on`
`21:24.45`	`Corbo`	`I just needed something that did what I made.`
`21:24.48`	`ckknight`	`why did you go down that evil, evil path?`
`21:24.58`	`Corbo`	`didn't know that MWE already had it, thougb:P`
`21:26.35`	`ScytheBlade1`	`not just evil, but dead`
`21:27.01`	`nicoli_s`	`writing the map placement was a bitch`
`21:27.17`	`nicoli_s`	`especially since all the mapinfo stuff out there so far is wrong, and are out of order`
`21:27.23`	`nicoli_s`	`as far as the bounds stuff`
`21:27.51`	`nicoli_s`	`which is why if you look at the code for it its like boundstop-boundsright`
`21:28.09`	`Ellerymsg`	`While poking around in the sc2 files, have you seen any hints as to the maximum filesize/matrix size of a map ~knows it is a VERY unlikely occurance yet~`
`21:28.22`	`ckknight`	`256x256 is the largest map size`
`21:28.28`	`ckknight`	`filesize I'm not sure`
`21:28.44`	`Ellerymsg`	`wasn't 128x128 the maximum for sc1? or was it 256x256 as well?`
`21:28.57`	`ScytheBlade1`	`256x256`
`21:29.25`	`nicoli_s`	`and although its 256x256, each tile is made up of 4 points, so it actually allows for more fine grained terrain than just 256x256`
`21:29.50`	`Ellerymsg`	`Ah, I've been hoping for a much larger matrix size...oh well, at least I've already seen that you can dramatically change the sizes of units, in addition to a finer zoom`
`21:31.51`	`Ellerymsg`	`One of my friends and I currently have a space-based map in wc3 that I believe could benefit from a lot more empty space`
`21:33.20`	`ckknight`	`with 256x256, you can specify position by only 1 bytes :P`
`21:33.28`	`ckknight`	`err`
`21:33.29`	`ckknight`	`2 bytes`
`21:33.31`	`ckknight`	`mistyped`
`21:34.30`	`ScytheBlade1`	`unit position accuracy is dependent on map size?`
`21:38.46`	`*** join/#sc2mapster vjeux (~52e9ed5b@gateway/web/freenode/x-keruvbdmcegutbxa)`
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`21:39.56`	`ckknight`	`unit position is actually more accurate than that`
`21:40.00`	`nicoli_s`	`vjeux\`
`21:40.04`	`ckknight`	`since they can be at a point in-between`
`21:40.05`	`nicoli_s`	`you missed some cool stuff`
`21:40.08`	`ckknight`	`so that's probably 4 bytes`
`21:40.16`	`ckknight`	`since each square into a 256x256 grid`
`21:40.22`	`ckknight`	`then you have unit position`
`21:40.26`	`nicoli_s`	`well unit position is a string :P`
`21:40.54`	`JademusSreg`	`???`
`21:40.59`	`ckknight`	`in the map`
`21:41.01`	`nicoli_s`	`in the object xml i mean`
`21:41.05`	`vjeux`	`nice`
`21:41.10`	`ckknight`	`I'm talking more in-memory`
`21:41.15`	`nicoli_s`	`vjeux: a chinese guy figured out heros`
`21:41.22`	`nicoli_s`	`including stats, and learned abilities`
`21:41.22`	`vjeux`	`yeah saw the thread`
`21:41.33`	`JademusSreg`	`Cool. I need a link to that.`
`21:41.40`	`vjeux`	`is the chinese guy the one that posted on the forums?`
`21:41.46`	`Ellerymsg`	`yeah, it seems pretty sweet :D`
`21:41.54`	`nicoli_s`	`im not 100% sure vjeux, seems like maybe`
`21:41.55`	`vjeux`	`http://forums.sc2mapster.com/development/map-development/284-heros-level-and-xp/`
`21:41.58`	`vjeux`	`ok`
`21:42.02`	`vjeux`	`going to send him a mail anyway`
`21:42.30`	`nicoli_s`	`http://bbs.islga.org/read-htm-tid-39398.html is the original link to the map and stuff`
`21:42.46`	`nicoli_s`	`played around with it a little today, very cool stuff`
`21:42.49`	`Bifuu`	`back`
`21:43.47`	`vjeux`	`anyway i'm going to sleep, will news it tomorrow :)`
`21:43.53`	`Bifuu`	`later`
`21:43.53`	`nicoli_s`	`mmk later`
`21:44.06`	`nicoli_s`	`and sleep less from now on, sc2mapster > sleep`
`21:44.09`	`nicoli_s`	`damnit`
`21:44.27`	`nicoli_s`	`how will he know not to sleep now~`
`21:45.23`	`Corbo`	`Okay`
`21:45.31`	`JademusSreg`	`Fascinating. This pleases.`
`21:45.32`	`Corbo`	`I uploaded my program thingy`
`21:45.36`	`Ellerymsg`	`well...we could just "gently encourage" him to stay up by sending him a few cases of balls`
`21:45.41`	`Ellerymsg`	`<PROTECTED>`
`21:45.48`	`nicoli_s`	`what program corbo?`
`21:46.00`	`nicoli_s`	`yeah JademusSreg, that chinese guy really accomplished quite a bit`
`21:46.01`	`Corbo`	`check assets`
`21:46.18`	`Corbo`	`the program in which I wasted like hours of my life :P`
`21:46.30`	`Corbo`	`little did I know that MWE already did what I wanted to do`
`21:46.31`	`Corbo`	`:P`
`21:46.38`	`Repo`	`New asset: http://www.sc2mapster.com/assets/object-helper/. Object Helper. xcorbo (Manager/Author). Approved by sanktanglia.`
`21:46.41`	`nicoli_s`	`you mean check the approval queue :P`
`21:46.50`	`Corbo`	`maybe ;o`
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`21:47.46`	`Corosus`	`high fives Repo`
`21:48.02`	`nicoli_s`	`well good job nonetheless corbo`
`21:48.21`	`xcorbo`	`thanks`
`21:50.20`	`JademusSreg`	`So he figured out the Learn ability class? Excellent.`
`21:50.32`	`JademusSreg`	`I need to dissect the map to see how it was done.`
`21:51.22`	`xcorbo`	`mmm`
`21:51.41`	`xcorbo`	`I still think I'll be using my program`
`21:52.06`	`xcorbo`	`it'll be faster for mass placing units`
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`21:52.07`	`ckknight`	`xcorbo: deleted asset for being in VB6`
`21:52.16`	`ckknight`	`jk, but ick`
`21:52.17`	`xcorbo`	`QQs`
`21:52.40`	`xcorbo`	`Actually, I had no idea that VB6 >.>`
`21:52.45`	`Bifuu`	`lol vb6 works with 7?`
`21:52.54`	`xcorbo`	`sure`
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`21:53.13`	`JademusSreg`	`wonders what "QQ" is intended to convey.`
`21:53.26`	`xcorbo`	`~wtf QQ`
`21:53.37`	`xcorbo`	`how does it NOT know what QQ is?`
`21:53.43`	`nicoli_s`	`lol`
`21:54.28`	`JademusSreg`	`It is a 2-digit sequence of an alphanumeric character? Amirite?`
`21:55.37`	`Xan`	`yes`
`21:55.38`	`Bifuu`	`A would-be saboteur arrested today at the Large Hadron Collider in Switzerland made the bizarre claim that he was from the future. Eloi Cole, a strangely dressed young man, said that he had travelled back in time to prevent the LHC from destroying the world.`
`21:55.40`	`Bifuu`	`i lold`
`21:56.06`	`Xan`	`hah`
`21:56.38`	`nicoli_s`	`lol`
`21:57.11`	`Bifuu`	`Oh yeah`
`21:57.16`	`Bifuu`	`Yesterday at work was great`
`21:57.28`	`Bifuu`	`Some dude got a call and he went to the bathroom to answer it`
`21:57.40`	`Bifuu`	`next thing you know hes like yelling in his phone and hung it up`
`21:57.52`	`Bifuu`	`"dude my fucking girlfirend is pregnant!"`
`21:57.57`	`Bifuu`	`"dude its fucking april fools"`
`21:58.00`	`Bifuu`	`"shit..."`
`21:58.12`	`xcorbo`	`lolol`
`21:58.40`	`Bifuu`	`even the store manager was laughing`
`21:59.13`	`nicoli_s`	`my gf convinced me like 200 bucks worth of food in the fridge spoiled :S`
`21:59.44`	`Bifuu`	`lol`
`22:00.07`	`Bifuu`	`I didnt even talk to my girlfriend yesterday, do i win?`
`22:00.30`	`xcorbo`	`I did nothing yesterday`
`22:00.38`	`xcorbo`	`cause we don't celebrate april fool's in here`
`22:00.39`	`xcorbo`	`:D`
`22:00.47`	`Bifuu`	`i worked my ass off`
`22:01.11`	`ckknight`	`only April Fool's thing I did was the sc2mapster announcement`
`22:01.15`	`ckknight`	`I'm not too big on the holiday`
`22:01.22`	`Bifuu`	`and i learned why the yeast goes in the mixer before the flour when you make dough`
`22:01.50`	`Bifuu`	`unless you like dough pudding that sticks to everything`
`22:02.50`	`Ellerymsg`	`that announcement was pretty fail though ;P`
`22:03.17`	`Corosus`	`i got it!`
`22:03.23`	`Ellerymsg`	`eh?`
`22:03.33`	`Corosus`	`the comments seemd to be confused though`
`22:03.38`	`ckknight`	`Ellerymsg: oh be nice, I fooled some people, but I made it pretty obvious that it was an April Fool's`
`22:04.02`	`Ellerymsg`	`seriously >> the fragment of the UI there was kinda telling...but the vultures were what annoyed me ;p good idea though`
`22:05.13`	`Ellerymsg`	`Anyway, school's over`
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`22:07.27`	`valkrial`	`hey guys`
`22:07.28`	`Fisker`	`slaps nicoli_s around a bit with a large trout`
`22:07.38`	`Bifuu`	`slaps Fisker around a bit with a large trout`
`22:07.50`	`valkrial`	`who was it that was looking as camera data & taking those ghost screenshots?`
`22:08.18`	`Bifuu`	`Corbo`
`22:08.35`	`valkrial`	`mmm. he's not here right now.`
`22:08.39`	`JademusSreg`	`Hm.Hm.`
`22:08.51`	`valkrial`	`I found some xml that i think shows how to put in skyboxes`
`22:08.58`	`valkrial`	`I was jsut wondering if he had seen that`
`22:09.23`	`JademusSreg`	`I can't find the mod to dissect.`
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`22:45.33`	`nicoli_s`	`JademusSreg: the chinese one?`
`22:45.52`	`nicoli_s`	`http://bbs.islga.org/attachment/Mon_1003/90_3_0132f052df337ff.rar`
`22:51.50`	`JademusSreg`	`Twas the last file in the archive. I must have overlooked it before.`
`22:52.00`	`JademusSreg`	`Thanks. Gotta go cook dinner.`
`22:52.06`	`nicoli_s`	`later`
`22:52.36`	`nicoli_s`	`im off too, off for some fun, got so much stuff to play around with this weekend :)`
`22:53.05`	`nicoli_s`	`i so fucking wish this comp ran sc, so i could actually test in game during the weekend easily`
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`23:42.42`	`ckknight`	`who's up for playing?`
`23:43.04`	`ckknight`	`ScytheBlade1: I have a new tactic I want to try`
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`23:52.24`	`Corbo`	`hai gais`
`23:52.27`	`Corbo`	`what's up?`
`23:53.06`	`Bifuu`	`lol imw atching the first few SC2 videos and realising ho much they change the game`
`23:55.00`	`Sixen`	`heez`
`23:55.18`	`Repo`	`New map: http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/incubation/. INCUBATION. Rizaun (Manager/Author). Approved by sixen.`
`23:56.32`	`Corbo`	`INCUBATION`
`23:57.57`	`Corbo`	`Did you see me program sixen? :P`
`23:59.49`	`Corbo`	`my*`

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