IRC log for #sc2mapster on 20100401

00:02.51Alevice_Workany news
00:08.48*** join/#sc2mapster Corbo (~be574329@gateway/web/freenode/x-iprglmrnbhnjzvvf)
00:09.43CorboHai
00:10.17SixenBack
00:10.41CorboWb
00:10.44Sixen=]
00:10.48Alevice_Workhihi
00:11.09SixenRofl Jade.
00:12.37CorboSixen I made the topic ;o
00:13.06SixenYeah, looking now :P
00:14.11CorboBrb
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00:15.59ckknighthey beautiful people
00:16.01ckknighthow's everyone doing?
00:16.11Sixen;)
00:16.42JademusSregBack.
00:16.43CorboHey sexy
00:16.52ckknighthey Corbo
00:16.56Sixen@corbo: Bastard children
00:16.58SixenNot childs
00:16.58Sixen:P
00:17.24CorboYou're right let me fix
00:18.02Sixen;)
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00:24.25Corbo_K
00:24.47Corbo_So, sup? Anyone doing stuff?
00:24.56ckknighthttp://www.sc2mapster.com/announcements/warcraft-1-to-starcraft-2-total-conversion/
00:25.02Alevice_WorkI be making a custom race for shits and giggles
00:25.04Sixenoh wtf
00:27.48Alevice_Workkinda a a chessy april fool joke
00:27.56Alevice_Workthe zerg ui is still tehre
00:30.38SixenOMw home, bbs.
00:30.39*** part/#sc2mapster Sixen (~Sixen@173-25-22-19.client.mchsi.com)
00:30.55ckknightAlevice_Work: meh
00:31.30*** join/#sc2mapster Corbo (~thecorbo@190.87.67.41)
00:31.37Corbolol april fools
00:32.27Alevice_Work:P
00:32.44Corbowhy would you even say wc1 to sc2
00:32.49Corbothat's obviously sc1
00:32.50Corbo:P
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00:40.28Labmonkey1hey
00:40.45Labmonkey1anybody here?
00:40.54CorboI am
00:41.07Labmonkey1hey
00:41.18Labmonkey1you try my map? :D
00:41.38Alevice_Worklolwut
00:41.51Labmonkey1http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/micro-defense/
00:41.54Corbomicrodefense?
00:41.56Corboya
00:41.58Labmonkey1yea
00:42.04Labmonkey1do you have any suggestions?
00:42.07Labmonkey1gana do another edit on it
00:43.38Corbomore waves? :D
00:43.42Labmonkey1yea
00:43.46Labmonkey1like any ideas for what they should be
00:44.01Corbooh
00:44.06Corbohmmm
00:44.08Alevice_Workvoid rays+roahces
00:44.22Labmonkey1um
00:44.23Alevice_Worksupported by autoturret spam
00:44.25Labmonkey1...
00:44.39Labmonkey1no?
00:44.39Labmonkey1lol
00:44.42Alevice_Worklemm tell you, autoturrets are thouyg bitches
00:44.55Labmonkey1oh I know
00:46.08CorboI wonder if there's a car model in sc2
00:46.17Corboso I can use it as doodad
00:46.17Labmonkey1could use hellion
00:46.24Labmonkey1or seige tank
00:46.27Corbohmmm
00:46.33Labmonkey1or be a man
00:46.41Corboyeah well, it doesn't have to be an actual unit
00:46.41Labmonkey1and go make one
00:46.45CorboI could use crashed bc
00:46.47Corboor something
00:46.56CorboI can make my own models
00:47.04Corbobut I won't be able to get them inside sc2
00:47.10Labmonkey1lol
00:47.16CorboI wish I coulñd
00:47.20Labmonkey1yea but you should be able to once they get the editor out
00:47.25Corbothings would be so much different if I could.
00:47.26Labmonkey1in like a month
00:47.35Labmonkey1my gfx guy is already working on stuff
00:47.36Labmonkey1for my map
00:47.43CorboHas blizzard even confirmed they'll add a model importer?
00:47.51Labmonkey1well
00:47.57Alevice_Workthere are model importers alreayd iirc
00:48.00CorboI know blizzard can't be that nice :P
00:48.03Alevice_Workgoogle m3 models
00:48.06Labmonkey1um
00:48.08Labmonkey1you can export
00:48.10CorboNo, there are model exporters
00:48.13Corbonot importers
00:48.14Labmonkey1as far as I know you can't import
00:48.14Labmonkey1but yea
00:48.20Labmonkey1they said that you would need custom content
00:48.23Labmonkey1to go premuim
00:48.28Alevice_Workdamn, you seem to be right
00:48.30Labmonkey1that implies that you will have custom content
00:48.32CorboI'd sooo make premium stuff
00:48.36Labmonkey1lol
00:48.37Corbobut I'd also make free stuff
00:48.39Labmonkey1riiight
00:49.18Labmonkey1the way I've looked at it, sc2 is gana boil down into 5-10 immensly popular maps
00:49.29Labmonkey1and everything else will be unknown
00:49.31Labmonkey1like completely
00:49.41Labmonkey1the free advertising of wc3 will be gone :(
00:50.00Corbonah
00:50.05Corbocool stuff will come up too
00:50.28Labmonkey1oh it wil
00:50.37Labmonkey1but only like 5-10 popular maps
00:50.43Labmonkey1cool stuff may be included in that
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01:05.36Corbokhoral?
01:05.38Labmonkey1hey
01:05.39Corbokohral?
01:05.48Corbokorhal?
01:05.53Labmonkey1um
01:05.58Labmonkey1I don't think he's here lol
01:06.04Corbokorhal it is
01:06.17Labmonkey1?
01:06.27Labmonkey1what?
01:15.23CorboI was trying to find out what was the correct spelling
01:15.33Corbonow brb dinner
01:28.16nicoli_sAlevice_Work: glad to see you made it :)
01:28.49nicoli_sbtw, anyone here happen to have a regex for any galaxy stuff?
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01:29.33nicoli_slike i need to make one for getting all the types, or for getting the functions, for the auto complete
01:29.49Corbomake one what?
01:29.54nicoli_sregex
01:30.13nicoli_sworking on auto complete for galaxy code
01:30.48Corboawesome
01:31.18nicoli_slapin_sc: you around?
01:34.36ScytheBlade1lol @ sc2 promod
01:34.37ScytheBlade1http://www.sc2promod.com/
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01:55.38nicoli_syay!, auto complete doesnt happen when in comments anymore
01:56.50Sixenlol
01:56.53SixenThat's always goo :P
01:56.54Sixen+d
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01:57.25nicoli_sright now it just has types
01:57.31Sixenhai iggy
01:57.37Iggyhopperhi
01:57.39nicoli_sadding in conrol structures + variable names and function names now
01:57.51Iggyhopperhw do i set messages to auto-send when i sign in or whatever?
01:57.55nicoli_sunfortunately it doesnt have context of it, so it shows all the options at all times
01:58.05nicoli_sIggyhopper: what client?
01:58.09Iggyhoppermirc
01:59.30Sixenhttp://irssi.org/documentation/startup that should be it
01:59.57Sixenoh hm, that might be for that client specifically
01:59.58nicoli_stools -> options - > Connect - > Options -> perform
02:00.21nicoli_sthen just add the commands per server
02:00.40nicoli_sman my gf makes awesome hoola hoops
02:01.07Iggyhopperk
02:01.16Iggyhoppermy gf does hula hoops awesomely
02:01.22Iggyhopperlike roooound and roooound
02:01.28Iggyhopperjk
02:01.32Iggyhopperi have no gf, yet :(
02:01.36nicoli_slol
02:01.44Iggyhoppersad right?
02:01.47nicoli_snope
02:01.54Iggyhopperi no
02:01.57nicoli_si just got lucky
02:02.00Iggyhopperhah
02:02.08Iggyhopperi just work on school for now, then i get my groove on
02:02.09SixenSame -.-
02:02.26nicoli_si thought you had a gf sixen?
02:02.44SixenSame as you, I meant.
02:02.54Sixen(7:01:57 PM) nicoli_s: i just got lucky -- :P
02:02.54nicoli_sahhh
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02:06.25Jerublol
02:06.31Jerubi have'nt gotten lucky in days
02:06.58Sixen:(
02:11.30JademusSregLucky in what sense? Are you a gambling sort?
02:11.47IggyhopperGambling is hard.
02:11.53IggyhopperSo is chinese algebra.
02:11.54nicoli_si did win 900 dollars off 15 cents in vegas
02:11.58JademusSregAlthough depending on one's view of sexuality, it may seem like gambling.
02:11.59IggyhopperBut they are different.
02:12.02IggyhopperAlso gibbereish.
02:12.54nicoli_sso JademusSreg: what are you currently working on in sc2?
02:13.52JademusSregI focus on tinkering with abilities and behaviors, since they are the most interesting to me.
02:14.09JademusSregMaking abilities autocast is pretty amusing.
02:14.19JademusSregAuto-Snipe pleases.
02:14.55JademusSregNothing of much importance, unfortunately. I'm not sure what is left to discover.
02:15.42nicoli_shmm, lets see i know people are still trying to get a working ui mod
02:15.48JademusSregI wonder if Psionic Storm can be made autocast.
02:15.54nicoli_slol thatd be sweet
02:16.22JerubJademusSreg: :(
02:16.25Jerubpsi storm is OP
02:16.52JademusSregI also suspect that weapons and abilities can be made to share the same cooldown, so "attack enhancers" akin to Frost Arrows are definitely emulatable./
02:17.13JademusSregI know it's quite overpowered. It's an interesting thought because it targets points and not units.
02:18.09Sixen"people"
02:18.11Sixen:(
02:18.24SixenJust people nic? :(
02:18.30JademusSregSo I wonder how it would behave without adding an additional value for Autocast targetting, like Medivac Heal has.
02:18.44nicoli_swhat sixen? i have heard a few people mention it
02:20.24SixenOh? I didn't know of anyone else.
02:21.25nicoli_sthere was someone in the aidev channel
02:21.28nicoli_sand me :P
02:23.21Sixenoh
02:24.11SixenHey Levi, any idea if Archmage has dropped by mapster?
02:24.16SixenHe seems like he's interested as well.
02:24.16JademusSregLevi is far more ambitious in that he seeks to create an entire custom race; the Warptoss.
02:24.32JademusSregI am Archmage, actually. =)
02:24.41Sixen<PROTECTED>
02:24.45JademusSregAnd Levi is on his way home from work.
02:24.58SixenThat would explain the "Hihi Levi" when levi entered. It seemed like you knew him.
02:25.03SixenWell, lets' pretend i'm not dumb :P
02:25.23JademusSregThat is the basis for modern society, I suspect.
02:25.35SixenBurned.
02:25.51JademusSregHeh.
02:26.39JademusSregI don't think you're dumb. In fact, your use of punctuation already sets the bar pretty high.
02:27.13SixenI think that's a complement, :P.
02:28.19JademusSregHm. I just had an idea.
02:29.31Sixenoh?
02:29.39JademusSregI think resource generation (like Tiberium Spikes in C&C3 or Strategic Points in DoW) can easily be done using a behavior and an effect.
02:30.22nicoli_sahh you mean by being in a certain area?
02:30.31nicoli_sit could def be done
02:30.32JademusSregI mean by controlling the unit.
02:30.55JademusSregControlling a unit with said behavior would give you resources.
02:30.58nicoli_scontrolling like ing of the hill sort of thing?
02:31.03nicoli_sking*
02:31.21SixenHow do you figure?
02:31.29JademusSregMore like capturing Strategic Points in Dawn of War.
02:31.32SixenCurrently there's no way to change minerals via API/Triggers.
02:31.46JademusSregDon't need em in this case.
02:31.52nicoli_ssixen: we could do something like change minerals via effect
02:32.02JademusSregMy idea may be done using objects.
02:32.20nicoli_swe could do something like make a unit that needs power around it, and make all units give that power, but then youd need a way to lock out the other player
02:32.30SixenThere were a few things vjeux found we can do: set a unit as gatherable or make a unit drop a gatherable object.
02:33.21JademusSregI'll see if I can make it. If I can, I'll provide an example of the xml data.
02:33.37SixenPlease do :P
02:39.53Sholdakyou can try building units that have -resource value
02:39.57Sholdakthat should work i think
02:40.08Sholdakassuming you can use AITrain on player-owned units
02:40.10JademusSregNot quite the effect I am going for.
02:42.18JademusSregI made a proof-of-concept map in wc3 called Node Control, where players capture nodes to acquire resources instead of harvesting them.
02:43.15JademusSregI aim to emulate that mechanic, like capturing Strategic Points in Dawn of War to get Requisition.
02:43.16SixenHrm? And how did you give them resrouces with control?
02:43.27JademusSregIn wc3, it was easy.
02:45.00Sholdakyou could probably have pylons be the nodes
02:45.05JademusSregCount the number of control nodes the player owns each interval, get the resource values by multiplying the count by a coefficient for the gold and lumber for their respective values, then multiply those values by the bonus vlaue provided by structures the player controls (hall types) and the player gains that amount for the respective resources.
02:45.16JademusSregActually, the game already has Beacon units.
02:45.17Sholdakand have a unit that "actives" under a pylons
02:45.22JademusSregSC2, I mean.
02:45.29Sholdakwhat do those do?
02:45.50JademusSregThey seems to be similar to Circles of Power in wc3.
02:45.58Sholdaki see
02:46.16JademusSregPretty kinda circular units that seem flat and have walkable pathing.
02:46.23SixenYes Jade, but we cannot touch the resources via API or Triggers. How do you plan on Getting/Setting their current resource count?
02:46.34JademusSregI suggest spawning them in a game to look at them.
02:46.50JademusSregBy using object data, since objects can modify these things.
02:47.24Sholdakthere a bunch of ways to attribute resources
02:47.38JademusSregIn Node Control, I had players capture nodes by using an ability based on Channel that didn't display in the command card and that was ordered to cast on right click. Then I triggered the change in ownership.
02:47.38Sholdakhave an invisible building that can make units with -resource cost
02:47.39SixenThe only possible way to gie resources is to gather them.
02:47.40Sholdaketc
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02:47.50SixenOh? That'll work, Sholdak?
02:47.53JademusSregWhich SC2, we can base it on Neural Parasite perhaps.
02:47.57Sholdakit should
02:48.07Sholdaki'll try it a bit later i think
02:48.14JademusSregIt would work, yes.
02:48.28JademusSregI aim to achieve a cleaner approach, however, if it is possible.
02:50.02JademusSregI'm skeptical based on what I see in the effects, though.
02:50.45Sholdaknicoli_s: how are you doing the autocomplete btw? just regex?
02:51.16JademusSregActually, I may not need an effect. Behaviors allow costs to be defined, which means I may be able to define a resource cost. =)
03:02.18nicoli_ssholdak: right now i manually build a list with all the types + control structures, and then use regex over galaxy files for variables + functions
03:02.58nicoli_sright now the auto complete just has all of them, but i seperate out the words by their type, so it supports you only requesting only variables or only control strctures, etc
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03:11.08Sholdaki see
03:12.09nicoli_sbut ill leave stuff like that to people more experienced with how to deal with that
03:13.05Sholdaki was wondering if we can take the grammar from one parsers
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03:13.24Sholdakand plug that into some kind of C# parser
03:13.48nicoli_syeah good point, i would imagine they have something like that
03:13.55valkrialall i have to say is lol. rad april fools joke. who's ever idea that was should be promoted.
03:14.07nicoli_s<-me
03:14.15valkrialgj!
03:14.22nicoli_syet i did none of the work :P
03:14.26valkrialit makes me want to play war 1 again.
03:14.33Sixenhehe
03:14.46valkrialalso,  war 1 did indeed have multi player :P
03:14.52SixenYeah :|
03:14.54Sholdaki looked at the milkyway precompiler, but it's in haskell
03:14.55SixenNot Battle.net though.
03:15.07valkrialthis is true
03:18.00Bifuuo hai
03:18.27nicoli_swelcome
03:19.05valkrialhrro
03:19.12Bifuugatta work extra early tomorrow so i cant stay on for too much longer =/
03:19.19nicoli_shey Bifuu, any chance youd do the xml definitions for the layout files?
03:19.23valkrialyou just got here
03:19.54nicoli_sjust throwing it out there
03:20.02SixenNeed to finish the XML first..
03:21.12Bifuunicoli_s: ill look at them this weekend if youremind me
03:21.23BifuuSixen: most XML stuff thats undocumented now  i cant figure out
03:22.02SixenOh =/
03:26.20Bifuuyeah wont beable to figure it out til i get galaxy
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03:29.29SixenHrm?
03:29.31SixenHow so?
03:29.55Dr-Nickhello everybody
03:30.06SixenHello Doctor.
03:30.15FrozenFirebatsimpsons reference
03:30.17Sixen:P
03:30.24SixenDoctor Dick, ^_^.
03:30.45FrozenFirebatanybody seen TeamLiquid's April Fools joke?
03:30.55SixenYeah, they posted it this morning :p
03:31.06FrozenFirebati got a kick out of it
03:31.10BifuuWith Galaxy hopefully it will give me what each node is in simple English, plus then if i still dont know i can adjust stuff in Galaxy and see how it changes in the XMLs
03:31.10Sixen;p
03:32.08BifuuAnd i had to lol at my parents
03:32.56BifuuThey had XP Black edition on their computer, and they are like "Dustin this doesnt work anymore!!!" "well what did you do to it?" "Well there was a windows update..." /facepalm
03:33.43Sixen=|
03:34.09FrozenFirebatXD
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03:36.22nicoli_swell im off, auto complete commit maybe later
03:47.14Bifuuwhoa whoa whoa
03:47.18BifuuWho changed Youtub
03:47.19Bifuue
03:48.33Sixenwut?
03:54.31Bifuuexactly
03:54.39Bifuuhttp://i.imgur.com/L2xA2.jpg i want to do this
03:56.18Bifuuhttp://i.imgur.com/Sjm5V.jpg
03:59.43Sixenholy shit
04:10.15BifuuOMG Guess what
04:10.27BifuuTo be continued!
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05:00.07Corbohai
05:02.02Sixenhiez
05:05.00Thunder_Childhttp://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=117987
05:06.18Sixenhehe
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05:19.40FrozenFirebatSo i'm betting blizzard is going to have either a Release date for SC:Ghost or a fake class for D3 for their AF joke
05:19.53SixenYou know what i'd like to see?
05:20.01SixenI'd like to see them make a real announcemenet.
05:20.07FrozenFirebatlmao
05:20.07SixenI think that'd be even funnier.
05:20.14FrozenFirebatcause nobody would believe them
05:20.16Sixen"Haha, April fools" and they keep it up
05:20.19SixenExactly :)
05:21.10FrozenFirebathonestly, though, if they added the bard class to WOW, i'd still be playing
05:21.38SixenMe too :P
05:25.18FrozenFirebatWill Wright is working on a TV show...
05:25.31FrozenFirebatthat's a scary thought...
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05:44.03Sixenhai vjeux
05:49.19vjeuxhey
05:50.19Sixen=]
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05:57.31AleviceAlevice
05:59.03SixenSixen
05:59.39vjeuxheya
05:59.48AleviceHihi
05:59.52Aleviceany news?
06:01.00vjeuxdid you see the gold dropping article?
06:01.27vjeuxhttp://forums.sc2mapster.com/development/map-development/259-how-to-giving-resources/
06:02.42Genopathhey all
06:02.50Alevicelemme check it
06:04.36Genopathoh they have april fool updates already?
06:04.52Alevicepretty clever
06:05.17AleviceI have messed with "OnDeath" behaviours and self drop point before
06:05.36vjeuxbefore means in wc3 or sc2?
06:05.42AleviceSC2 clearly
06:05.53Alevicebehaviours dont exist on wc3 :P
06:06.07AleviceBut never thought on using them for cash
06:06.18AleviceI have been meaning to get a way to get items working
06:06.19vjeuxok :p
06:06.35Aleviceit seems an item has to be bound within a unit to show in the map
06:07.13Alevicebut i sill dont know how to give any trikery or way to put a functioning inventory
06:07.22vjeuxI see
06:07.28vjeuxI'm sorry but I have to go
06:07.30vjeuxttyl :)
06:07.34Alevicekk later
06:11.12Sixenbrb
06:11.20Alevicekk
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06:44.17Corboo.o
06:44.23CorboI got dc'd?
06:45.54Jerubyep
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07:01.55Sixenback
07:03.36monoframeOh cool, ytube's ui has once again shifted...
07:06.16Corboagain?
07:07.56monoframeoh and Corbo, I've seen several screenshots of your new map with the tilted camera...Make sure you lower FOV and increase foggyness over distant areas
07:08.03monoframethis will increase fps count for most of the people
07:08.12Corbofov?
07:08.16monoframeField of View
07:08.20Corbooh
07:08.23Corboit doesn't matter
07:08.25monoframethe line until which everything is rendered
07:08.34Corboit doesn't matter
07:08.36monoframebut getting -10,-15 fps matters D:
07:08.36Corboit's like
07:08.44Corbo10 or 20 right now
07:08.55Corboit still goes everywhere
07:09.08Corbolet me check how much it is right now
07:09.17monoframenot to mention unwanted/units to be seen - it was a huge, on my perspective, problem with many custom wc3 maps
07:09.33monoframeespecially the horrendously big ones
07:10.42monoframelike Kil'jaedan
07:10.53Corboyep  <Param index="FieldOfView" Value="20" Modify="1"/>
07:11.09Corboyou see
07:11.31Corboit's the camera angle at which it is that makes it render everything
07:11.39CorboI could make it 0
07:11.49Corboand it'd still render everything ahead of it
07:12.01Corbobut if I make it 0 probably nothing would render lul
07:12.01monoframehow so?
07:12.08Corbolet me show you
07:12.10monoframewell, you wouldn't see it
07:12.13CorboI'll make it 1 right now
07:12.21monoframeDO EET
07:16.38Corbohttp://img534.imageshack.us/img534/3018/screenshot149.jpg
07:19.31monoframeyou can always change fog tint colour lol
07:19.45monoframetinting* SA:
07:21.08CorboI know
07:21.12CorboI kinda like it that way
07:21.24CorboI should probably make it black, though.
07:21.57monoframeYou could even change skybox
07:22.16Corboskybox?
07:22.17monoframeinstead of the black emptyness that now it is
07:22.27CorboWHERE?
07:22.32CorboDo you know how to do it?
07:22.38CorboI've been meaning to do that for ages
07:22.40monoframethere are skybox files
07:22.53monoframeyou could shift textures, but it would take away memory
07:23.02monoframeshould be doable through .xml files i guess
07:23.10monoframeor just change the model file
07:23.31monoframeif it's not one for all textures
07:23.40CorboI know the files are there
07:23.48CorboI already stole them and used them in another game :P
07:23.59monoframeP: you sneaky bastard you
07:24.03Corbobut i dunno how to usethem in  sc2
07:24.56monoframeok, let me take look
07:26.09monoframeand what is the default black skybox? if there's at all?
07:26.22Corbohuh?
07:26.29Corbothere's no reference to skyboxes at all
07:26.34Corbowhich is why I haven't done it.
07:26.43Corboit just randomly goes black
07:26.51Corbobrb testing camera stuff
07:28.02Corbowanna know something fun?
07:28.12valkrialrad screenshot corbo. post more if you find more interesting stuff :)
07:28.15CorboINCREASING the field of view makes it renders less
07:28.25valkrialghosts are badass
07:28.31Corboindeed ;o
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07:30.01monoframesee corbo :P
07:30.05monoframeI was right!
07:30.17monoframeanyways, found something wicked
07:30.31monoframeStarCraft 2 will have TUTORIAL VIDEOS!
07:30.32monoframeYAY
07:30.59CorboIt doesn't really render less
07:31.00monoframeencoded in some strange .ogv file format
07:31.02monoframewhat
07:31.03monoframeWHAT
07:31.07Corbothe camera angle just...
07:31.09Corbochanges
07:31.13Corboand you see mroe ground
07:31.18Corboerr
07:31.19Corbo.ogv
07:31.24Corbois like .ogg
07:31.32CorboI opened them with VLC
07:31.46monoframebut maybe it's not fov afterall
07:32.13monoframeanyways, gonna look further to fixing skyboxes, adn then procceed to wc3 editor for fov manipulation
07:35.39valkrialwhat makes you thing they are going to have tutorial videos?
07:36.10Corbohmmmm
07:36.23CorboI was changing somthing very different
07:36.24Corbo:P
07:36.32monoframefile TextureData.xml has Tutorial video section
07:36.35monoframewith file and links listed
07:36.40monoframeof course, the files are not present yet
07:36.48valkrialah. neat
07:36.50monoframebut it's better to have tutorials for starters
07:37.03monoframewhat corbo?
07:37.28valkrialhe wasnt changing the fov like he thought he was
07:37.36monoframeDUN DUN DUUUUUNNN
07:37.39monoframePlotTwist
07:37.43valkrialwho knows what he was actually changing
07:37.58monoframeBrightness lulz
07:38.45monoframecorbo, are you using Metalopolis as a base map?
07:38.59Corboyes
07:39.15monoframecould you into files what name metalopolis' skybox bears?
07:39.19monoframedoesn't seem like there's one
07:39.24monoframebut we could do it ourselves
07:39.38monoframeby copying exsisting one and changing it's name
07:39.46monoframeand then adding corresponding lines to the map files
07:40.09Corbo...or you could just point to another one
07:40.10monoframeor we could test it on other maps that have the files listed in .asset mpq files
07:40.19Corbofiles are there
07:40.24Corbothis map just doesnt' reference
07:40.26monoframebut you see, we need the link on the .m3 metalopolis' skybox file is named
07:40.35monoframeas there's none in .asset files
07:40.51Corboskyboxes also have models?
07:40.53monoframethere's no "MetalopolisSkybox.m3" file there
07:40.54monoframeYES
07:41.00Corbothat's pretty lame
07:41.00monoframesame as loading backgrounds
07:41.04monoframenot actually
07:41.09Corboyes it is.
07:41.14monoframewell, it's only 6 cube model
07:41.17CorboI thought SC's engine would be like
07:41.18monoframeand then textures attached
07:41.21CorboWE MAKE OUR OWN GEOMETRY
07:41.24Corbomaps do it
07:41.27monoframecorbo, skyboxes are cubes
07:41.30Corboerrr terrain does it*
07:41.32monoframeCUBES
07:41.34CorboI know.
07:41.36monoframeCUBES=MODELS
07:41.37monoframe:P
07:41.40Corbowhich is why it disappoints me
07:41.52Corbocubes != models
07:42.10Corbosc2 could have totally just made up the box
07:42.12monoframeCubes == 3D models
07:42.20Corbowithout using a 3d model
07:42.22Corbobut nooo
07:42.25Corbothey had to be lame
07:42.35monoframeyou only need to change the texture
07:42.39monoframe-.-
07:42.44CorboI've seen crappier games
07:42.51Corbohandle skies better
07:42.55Corbogeez
07:42.57monoframelike what? doom?
07:42.58Corbo*quits sc2*
07:43.00monoframeP:
07:43.01CorboLOL
07:43.01Jerublol
07:43.08Jerubsky isn't a big deal in sc2
07:43.14CorboIT SHOULD BE
07:43.20monoframeTHE SKIESA
07:43.22monoframeSKIESA
07:44.03monoframeat which people will effortestly try to gaze when scrolling upwards and downards, just to find a big pond of water
07:44.14monoframeand shiny particle effects
07:45.00CorboI found it
07:45.04CorboFarClip
07:45.07monoframeDO EET
07:45.21CorboI did
07:45.30CorboI might have done it too near, though.
07:45.32Corbohmmm
07:45.46CorboOh
07:45.54monoframeoh, you could also change the fog colour value
07:45.56CorboI could so totally make it so scrolling changes the far clip
07:46.01monoframelook at TerrainData.xml
07:46.07monoframeFogColor value
07:46.09CorboI know that.
07:46.18CorboI told you I could
07:46.25Corbo*feels ignored*
07:46.35monoframebut weren't SPECIFIC about it :'(
07:46.44monoframe*feels mistrusted*
07:46.54Corbowhat'Âżs more specific than "I could so totally change the fog color to black"
07:47.28SixenAnyone here have an EU account?
07:47.40JerubSixen: check the spreadsheet :P
07:47.47SixenI mean here, right now.
07:51.12Corbono
07:51.22Corbowhy?
07:54.56Corbohttp://img706.imageshack.us/img706/3614/screenshot151l.jpg
07:55.07Corbotrying scrolling system
07:56.18monoframecorbo, you could also try to add commands which could alternate the farclip value on-the-run, for instance, a player can write "-farclip [xx]" and the value will be changed
07:56.22monoframesame's possible in wc3
07:56.30monoframeshouldn't be an isue in starcraft 2
07:56.54CorboYou're right
07:57.05Corbosince I cannot use scrolling to change far clip for some reason
07:57.15monoframeyou'd wish P:
07:57.24monoframecommands for mouse are not there yet I guess
07:57.39monoframecan you bind triggers to keyboard ?
07:57.48monoframei mean, keyboard keys
07:58.09Corbouh what?
07:58.19monoframeso pressing numerical keys in the numpad can change the farclip value
07:58.21Corboyou can use the scrolling to zoom in/out
07:58.24Corboand change angles
07:58.29Corboand everything else
07:58.38monoframeor use the 4 arrows
07:58.39Corbofarclip should work, I'm just not sure why it isn't working.
07:58.46monoframeto scroll through preset values
07:58.59monoframeeven position the camera
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08:00.32monoframeooooh I found something kekekekekeke
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08:02.19monoframethere are even climate presets
08:02.21monoframeawesome
08:07.12monoframeok, corbo, I've made necessary modifications
08:07.17monoframewill handle files in a sec
08:07.34monoframei think it should work
08:07.35monoframehttp://www.mediafire.com/?ojwijnm2zwo
08:07.52monoframeplace them in x:\program files\starcraft 2 beta\
08:07.56monoframedirectly in that location
08:08.00monoframeand then try loading your map
08:08.05Corbowhy don't you try it yourself and tell me if it worked :P
08:08.17monoframei would need to adjust the camera :(
08:08.19Corboand that folder totally doesn't exist for me :P
08:08.30monoframewhere you installed your sc2 beta
08:08.31monoframeplace thar
08:09.16monoframebe sure to load your map, as I have adjusted for the korhal tileset
08:09.25monoframethe files*
08:09.27monoframes:
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08:10.31Corbowow blizzard is so lame
08:10.39Corboit's not RGBA
08:10.42Corboit's ARGB
08:10.43Corbo....
08:10.44Corbo.........
08:10.53CorboMODELS FOR SKYBOX
08:10.56CorboAND ARGB
08:11.00CorboWHAT'S NEXT?
08:11.17monoframeA = alpha?
08:11.22monoframeIS IT SO!?
08:11.36monoframeANSWER MEEEE
08:11.57Corboyes.
08:12.11Corboand I was like
08:12.16CorboWHY IS EVERYTHING SO BLUE
08:12.18Corbogeeez
08:12.23SixenI'm blue dabadidabdie.
08:13.31Corbooh btw
08:13.39Corboyou're better off telling me what you changed/did
08:13.45Sixenme?
08:13.52Corbono
08:13.58Corboat monoframe
08:14.30monoframeadded skybox value which was not present in the terraindata.xml for Korhal tileset
08:14.47monoframeand changed ShakurasSkybox.m3 to KorhalSkybox.m3
08:14.55monoframeand placed it in the respective folder
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08:15.27monoframedidn't find nothing more for it though
08:17.44monoframeSo..is it working ? S:
08:18.43Corboyou could have just said "<FixedSkyboxModel value="KorhalSkyBox"/>"
08:19.01monoframejajajajajajaajjaa
08:19.15Corboyou made me dl a file
08:19.17Corbounrar it
08:19.22Corbofind out it's corrupted
08:19.25Corbore download
08:19.31Corboand open the xml to see what you did
08:19.36Corbolet me add it to my map
08:19.47monoframecorbo, i think it won't work lol
08:20.11Corbowhy did you laugh in spanish?
08:20.12monoframethere should be a secret lever stashed somewhere deep that lets you turn on the skybox
08:20.28monoframewell...from what I gathered jajaaj=yesyesyes
08:20.36monoframein a very ironical sense
08:21.11monoframemaybe something like <SkyboxEnabled value="1"> ?
08:22.52Corboin german ja = yes
08:22.59Corbojajajajaja is spanish way of laughing
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08:23.23Sixenvjeux, get my msn?
08:23.32vjeuxnop
08:23.43Sixen(12:48:33 AM) Kevin/Sixen: http://forums.battle.net/thread.html?topicId=24038767068 gogogogog
08:24.21vjeuxwoot
08:24.47SixenI'd reply, but it's EU :(
08:25.01Corbowhat is it?
08:25.25Corbooh
08:30.02RepoKnowledge base page update: http://www.sc2mapster.com/api-docs/game-files/xml/terrain-data-xml/ by xcorbo
08:36.35vjeuxhttp://forums.battle.net/thread.html?topicId=24038767068&postId=240365854898&sid=5010#8
08:37.17vjeuxgot my own account now, i'm a leet :p
08:37.47Corbolul
08:37.52Corbowhat if he's like
08:38.00Corbo"legal tower defenses" after that?
08:38.01Corbo:P
08:38.52monoframeIs injecting into an application against SC2s EULA?
08:39.16vjeuxwell, that will make us advertising anyway
08:39.30vjeuxhttp://forums.battle.net/board.html?forumId=25352531&sid=5010
08:39.35vjeuxlol half of the topics are blues :p
08:41.41Corboit is, right?
08:41.50Corbootherwise I'm quitting right now
08:42.19vjeuxwhat?
08:43.12Corboif it is against the EULA?
08:43.40vjeuxI'm pretty sure this is agaisnt the EULA
08:43.51vjeuxbut blizzard won't intent any action against us
08:44.10vjeuxmaking addons in wow was against eula too but blizzard still encouraged us to do it
08:44.11Corboso we're doing illegal activities
08:44.12Corbohell yeah
08:44.15Corbo*stays*
08:44.45vjeuxEULA is basically a legal paper to protect blizzard against possible problems
08:45.03vjeuxbut that's not in their interest to use it against map makers
08:45.08vjeuxthey would kill their business
08:46.16vjeuxbtw, Blizzard is watching closely at our website :)
08:46.32Corbo;o
08:46.40Corbothat's either good or bad
08:46.55SixenBoth? :|
08:46.58Corbo:P
08:48.47vjeuxok, going to back to exams ...
08:49.16vjeuxcya
08:50.12Corbobai
08:50.16CorboI'm done too
08:50.21Corboit's so late it's early
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08:52.03RepoKnowledge base page update: http://www.sc2mapster.com/api-docs/game-files/xml/terrain-data-xml/ by xcorbo
09:02.52monoframewhoah, looks like some of the skyboxes will be animated
09:03.02monoframeOr I'm being decieved
09:19.27krrydoesn't sound too unreasonable, static skyboxes are kinda the 90's :D
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09:32.23monoframewell, looking at Quake II and it's animated skyboxes P:
09:32.31monoframeor where they not
09:39.51krryhehe don't remember tbh
09:40.11krrythough I guess fps's have had it for quite a while
09:40.49krrybut either way, that's cool
09:41.06krryhoping for some really well-directed in-game cutscenes in the campaigns
09:48.19monoframeor cinematic movies
09:49.05krryYeah sure even more that :)
09:49.14krrybut I was thinking related to the skyboxes!
11:10.43Sixenhttp://diablofans.com/forums/showthread.php?t=26628
11:10.44Sixenwe're awesome
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11:11.39Sixenvjeux: http://diablofans.com/forums/showthread.php?t=26628
11:11.42Sixentell me i'm not awesome :D
11:11.48vjeuxWTF!
11:11.58SixenTell me that's not the sickest thing you've ever seen :D
11:12.43vjeuxthis is sick indeed
11:14.21vjeuxdidn't blizzard make any april fools joke?
11:14.30SixenNot yet.
11:14.32SixenIt's 4am
11:14.39vjeuxoh I see :p
11:14.44Sixenwell.. they changed something on the wowarmory.com
11:14.48Sixeneveryone is a Tuskarr now
11:15.28vjeuxI see :p
11:15.50vjeuxno one answered in the EU forums
11:15.53Sixen=[
11:15.53vjeuxpeople are lame!
11:16.26vjeuxthere are too much different languages in europe -_-
11:16.33Sixen:/
11:16.37Sixenalright. I need sleep.
11:16.50SixenMy eyes are bleeding from working on the damn april fools for dfans.
11:16.57vjeuxlol
11:16.59Sixen:(
11:17.01vjeuxwork on sc2mapster :)
11:17.10Sixenwell, ckk did the screenshot and then posted it
11:17.15Sixenand I was like, "owut?"
11:17.24vjeuxsame :p
11:18.19vjeuxanyway got to go to my last exam!
11:18.28Sixenand I need sleep.
11:18.29SixenGL
11:18.43vjeuxlol 4am ... :p
11:18.47vjeuxyou are crazy!
11:18.59vjeuxnight
11:19.00Sixen=/
11:19.01Sixennight
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11:20.40WitchsongMy armory profile says I ninja'd stuff. :(
11:20.59Sixenyeah that too
11:21.00Sixenha
11:23.16Sixen(4:22:24 AM) Sixen: Someone made a booboo
11:23.17Sixen(4:22:27 AM) Sixen: http://us.blizzard.com/diablo3/community/merchandise/gps/index.xml
11:23.17Sixen(4:22:30 AM) Sixen: http://us.blizzard.com/diablo3/community/merchandise/gamerblanket/index.xml
11:23.17Sixen(4:22:34 AM) Sixen: the pages are unfinished :P
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11:25.15monoframeoh my :P
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12:55.11Bifuuwheres all my jokes =(
12:57.29monoframeBifuu, I guess we can't invite you over to today's Comedy Off-Match...but cheer up...at least the clapping monkey didn't succeed in attracting crowd's attention...oh wait...it did actually...sorry....
12:58.17Bifuulol
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13:18.57ckknightso who else wants an X-Treme Gamer Blanket?
13:18.59ckknighthttp://us.blizzard.com/diablo3/community/merchandise/gamerblanket/index.xml
13:19.44monoframeI'd more likely hit for BlackThorne 2
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14:12.54Shirikomg snuggie
14:55.19monoframeuhm guys, is there any possibility to resize units without the need to decompile, edit and then recompile the model?
14:55.28monoframeshould be I guys
14:55.31monoframeguess*
14:55.31monoframeS:
14:56.22nicoli_syeah, through editing the unitdata you can change scale
14:56.35monoframethanks
14:57.50vjeuxModelData.xml
14:57.53vjeuxthere's a scale factor
14:59.19monoframeso which one to use D:
14:59.34monoframecause I have "<Height value="3.75"/>" in UnitData.xml
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14:59.37monoframefound
15:00.26monoframeanyways, doesn't matter
15:01.02monoframeHeight value only changes the amount of distance between the unit and the ground
15:01.26nicoli_syeah that was my bad, i just assumed it was in unitdata
15:01.43nicoli_svjeux knows what hes talking bout, if he says its in modeldata it is
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15:22.19vjeuxwoot i'm a leet
15:22.25vjeuxjust finished the micro defense
15:24.47nicoli_snicw
15:25.00nicoli_sdamnit, its gonna take a bit to get used to this new keyboard\
15:25.37vjeuxare you in dworak? :p
15:25.38nicoli_swe just about got auto complete for galaxy in the editor now
15:25.43nicoli_syech, no way
15:25.44vjeuxwow nice
15:26.05nicoli_sthough a few people in the office use it
15:26.21vjeuxthere are crazy people out there
15:26.53Fiskernicoli_s
15:26.58nicoli_scrazy indeed
15:27.48monoframevjuex, is it possible to come up with dialogs? As in, customized in-game menus?
15:27.57nicoli_snot yet monoframe
15:28.08vjeuxdon't think so
15:28.11monoframebut if we modify the ui?
15:28.23vjeuxhaven't played with that yet
15:28.54monoframeSay we might want to remove the "Restart" button, we could do it; so what makes us unable to implement additional buttons?
15:29.05monoframeinstead of just dialogs
15:29.28nicoli_smonoframe: no one has done any in game ui mods yet, but it should be possible\
15:29.39nicoli_sbut there dont seem to be in api for creating dialogs yet
15:30.05monoframeok, so UI dialogs and Traditional WC3-like dialogs are not the same?
15:32.27nicoli_sdunno
15:34.09nicoli_sman this keyboard is fancy
15:34.14nicoli_sit can show my wow stats :P
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16:06.24Iggyhopperhi
16:06.29Iggyhopperalso lol at april fools joke
16:06.42Alevicehttp://www.sc2promod.com/
16:06.53Aleviceit is meant to be a joke, but some ideas there are sweet
16:06.54nicoli_sapril fools jokes everywhere
16:07.00nicoli_sand welcome Alevice
16:07.36Alevicehihi
16:07.54nicoli_sglad to see i was able to wrangle some wc3c people :)\
16:08.59nicoli_sand damn this new keyboard for making me add slashes
16:09.04nicoli_ssuch a tiny damn enter button
16:09.15Alevicehhahaah
16:09.19Iggyhopperlol
16:09.43IggyhopperAlevice: helooooooo
16:10.16IggyhopperHey, your img for the joke is photoshopped, i can tell by the pixels.
16:10.26Iggyhopperhaha obvious
16:10.38nicoli_slol
16:11.38Iggyhopper~slap cogwheel
16:11.38purlACTION slaps cogwheel, keep your grubby fingers to yourself!
16:11.47Iggyhopper~turn
16:11.48purlACTION turns into the hulk
16:11.51Iggyhopperlol
16:11.56Iggyhopper~turn cogwheel
16:12.05Iggyhoppernoo
16:12.05JademusSregIt would have been easier to mod the game than photoshop it.
16:12.13Iggyhopperlol no uh
16:12.13cogwheelspins around in circles
16:12.22Alevicemodwc1? madness
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16:19.24monoframeWhat program to use to precisely look into the hierarchy of .xml file values?
16:19.43Alevice???
16:20.02AleviceJust use notepad++ or as someone recetnly suggested me <oxygen xml />
16:20.21nicoli_smonoframe: bifuu released xsds for the gamedata xmls
16:21.02monoframewell, I'm editing sounddata.xml, will it be fit for it?
16:21.06AleviceOh nice, do they include stuff like flag value restrictions or they are still just set as xs:string
16:21.14Alevicewhy shouldnt it?
16:21.18nicoli_snot sure Alevice: havent looked into it yet
16:21.22Alevicekk
16:21.26monoframewell, he mentioned: "for the gamedata xmls"
16:21.32monoframeso it left me puzzling
16:21.35monoframe:s
16:21.54Alevicesounddata is within gamedata folder
16:22.01monoframeoh wait
16:22.11monoframeI was thinking of gamedata.xml silly me
16:22.12Aleviceboth in librety and core mods
16:24.03JademusSregThe defaults defined in core are more interesting than the standard objects defined in liberty.
16:24.14Aleviceheh
16:24.17Aleviceagreed
16:24.53JademusSregI still haven't made any progress on my resource generating behavior, sadly.
16:25.26JademusSregI tried half a dozen different approaches, and none of them worked.
16:26.19nicoli_shmmm, theres gotta be some way to do it
16:27.10JademusSregYeah, it will be simple when we have the full Galaxy API.
16:27.15Iggyhopperoooo
16:27.21JademusSregBut my aim is to do it using only object data.
16:27.31Iggyhopperomg only 15 more days until the relase of the editor.
16:27.42Iggyhopperhey you guys have a forum?
16:27.50Iggyhopperepicalz
16:27.55nicoli_sIggyhopper: whay 15 days?:
16:27.59nicoli_sthey said the end of april
16:28.04nicoli_smaybe
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16:29.00Iggyhopperthey said, before late april
16:29.05Iggyhopperso this is an estimation
16:29.21Iggyhopper15 days give or take, probably take (or give?)
16:29.25nicoli_sthey didnt say before late april, they said late april
16:29.32Iggyhopperok well hmm
16:29.38nicoli_sunless im remembering it wrong
16:29.39Iggyhopperdoes math
16:29.43nicoli_slemme find the article
16:29.50Iggyhopper21 days
16:30.41nicoli_sactually yer right he said before the end of april
16:30.50nicoli_sbut that to me sounds like the end of april
16:34.23IggyhopperSecretly, I am a korean.
16:35.22nicoli_slol
16:35.42IggyhopperWow vjeux isnt here.
16:35.43IggyhopperAw
16:35.51IggyhopperWell I love this. http://paste.sc2mapster.com/1909/
16:37.53nicoli_syeah he did a good job getting the xml down to as little needed as possible
16:45.14monoframeuhm, "Period value" in WeaponData.xml defines the rate of fire?
16:47.48Iggyhopperyes
16:47.53Iggyhopperthe general roF
16:48.31Iggyhopperbut for units like the banshee, you have a general rate and then you have a <Period> for the time in between those two missles
16:48.51Iggyhopperi think thats in behavior or effect though
16:49.22monoframeand "Backswing value" what's for?
16:50.06Iggyhopperdon know
16:50.22Iggyhoppernicoli_s hey you need to edit the overlord creep to spawn even when moving
16:51.32nicoli_sthatd be cool
16:51.39nicoli_sso you could draw designs with it :P
16:55.43RepoKnowledge base page update: http://www.sc2mapster.com/api-docs/game-files/models/ by witchsong
16:57.23IggyhopperWOW
16:57.27IggyhopperWOWO WOWO WOW WOWO
16:58.57nicoli_s?
16:59.02Iggyhopperlol
16:59.05IggyhopperTextP
16:59.10Iggyhoppermode in youtube
16:59.21nicoli_slol yeah thats hilarious
17:00.12Iggyhoppertry watching a sc vid in textp
17:00.37Iggyhopperv
17:00.38Iggyhopperhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0quBPoGX9vw&playnext_from=TL&videos=DJkbCEH_XU4&feature=sub
17:00.43Iggyhopperthen switch to textP
17:01.17Zoxc-no textP option
17:01.21nicoli_show do you switch?
17:01.22Iggyhopperwat
17:01.31Iggyhopperoh its under the resolution
17:01.45Iggyhopperits 360p 720p w/e then TEXTp
17:02.02monoframeDoes changing "DamagePoint value" increase/decrease damage?
17:02.42Iggyhopperno
17:02.46monoframe:|+
17:02.49nicoli_sno clue monoframe
17:02.55nicoli_sand damn, its not on all videos
17:03.01IggyhopperIn EffectData.xml, it's <Amount value="damage here"/>
17:03.36nicoli_si wonder why some videos you cant watch in text mode
17:03.51Iggyhopperdoes a eeror window pop up for you?
17:04.15Iggyhopperit does for me, its like does hat for anythign on any site that has flash errors
17:04.29nicoli_sjust doesnt show the option for most videos i find
17:04.34Iggyhopperyeah
17:09.26Iggyhopperhey
17:09.43IggyhopperDoes the game imply the model values from the XML files?
17:10.00IggyhopperI mean I have a weapon here with no weapon missle model.
17:10.12Iggyhopper<CEffectLaunchMissile id="BattlecruiserALM">
17:10.18Iggyhopper<CModel id="BattlecruiserALMWeapon" parent="MissileFX">
17:10.56IggyhopperI think it's just automating that so it looks for ##id##Weapon
17:10.58nicoli_sIggyhopper: yeah pretty sure the model is implied by the unit name
17:11.30Iggyhopperk
17:11.36monoframethe model file location can be readjusted in modeldata.xml
17:11.43Iggyhopperi know
17:12.05IggyhopperI want to turn the BC missiles into banshee, but it's much easier to just change the model.
17:12.07Iggyhopperfor now
17:12.37IggyhopperI want the effect of multi-attack.
17:12.43IggyhopperFor almost everything.
17:13.09IggyhopperHow mods were in SC. Almost every unit had some sort of multi-attack or splash.
17:13.16Iggyhopper~slap nicoli_s
17:13.17purlACTION slaps nicoli_s, keep your grubby fingers to yourself!
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17:14.19nicoli_syes Iggyhopper?\
17:14.24nicoli_sgoddamn this keyboard
17:14.29nicoli_salways hitting slash after enter
17:14.32Iggyhopper?\
17:14.35Iggyhopperlolol
17:16.57Kaeltennicoli_s: ping
17:17.32HeliosDoubleSix4.QSZI CSY MR LYQERMXC.?
17:17.43IggyhopperWTF?
17:17.59HeliosDoubleSix: http://twitter.com/StarCraft/statuses/11433053693
17:18.36Iggyhopperrot13 shows no prominent results
17:19.25nicoli_swho knows
17:22.40nicoli_sSholdak: i started work on the editing of the gamedata via the raw xml editor
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17:29.31monoframeoh noes, Battle.net Matchmaking doesn't work in Korea s:
17:29.42Labmonkey2hi
17:29.45Labmonkey2lol
17:29.52Labmonkey2anybody here?
17:30.06monoframe*cricket*
17:30.24Labmonkey2sad
17:30.25Labmonkey2:(
17:30.37Labmonkey2I don't wana talk to monoframe
17:30.39Labmonkey2he smells
17:30.50Iggyhopper~smell monoframe
17:30.54Iggyhoppergey
17:30.57Labmonkey2hi iggy
17:31.18nicoli_shey Labmonkey2
17:32.03Labmonkey2brb 1 sec
17:32.09Labmonkey2hi nicoli
17:41.01Iggyhopperbye bye
17:42.41nicoli_slol
17:42.49nicoli_swhoops, wrong person leaving
17:42.58nicoli_sthought you came in and immediately left Labmonkey2
17:48.13nicoli_sanyone in here familiar with working with xml in .net?
17:51.25monoframehow would I go about saving 76x76 dds file? DDS Converter doesn't allow it :s
17:52.49Sholdakhey
17:57.39Sholdakzoxc: are you here?
17:58.02Labmonkey2hey
17:58.02Labmonkey2back
17:58.28nicoli_smonoframe: what app are you using?
17:59.01monoframeAs I said DDS Converter
17:59.15monoframeanyways, converted it to 128 by 128
17:59.21monoframedoesn't matter now
18:00.27nicoli_sid suggest just using gimp\
18:00.32nicoli_sit does dds just fine with the plugin
18:00.53nicoli_ssholdak: just about done with the updating of gamedata via the text xml editor
18:00.59monoframeare you sure the plugin doens't work by the "power of 2" rule?
18:01.01Sholdakcool
18:01.56nicoli_sno clue monoframe, i just know gimp is great with working with dds
18:02.04monoframe:|
18:03.29Sholdakspeaking about DDS, we should include a texture viewer
18:03.47nicoli_swe should
18:03.48Sholdakany progress on that wpf model thing?
18:04.06nicoli_snope, been working with other stuff + gf the past few days
18:04.10Sholdakkk
18:10.26nicoli_snice, got it working :)
18:10.51nicoli_snow just have to work on flagging changed properties as changed when editing via xml text
18:12.43nicoli_si think ill leave that to you sholdak since you know more about the basedata code than i do
18:14.55Sholdakok
18:15.03Sholdakactually'll just reload the entire unit
18:15.06Sholdakwhen you make a change
18:15.10nicoli_swell thats what happens
18:15.17Sholdakor do you mean the red icon thing?
18:15.20nicoli_sbut it needs a way to know a property changed
18:15.21nicoli_syeah that
18:15.37Sholdakok
18:15.55nicoli_si just pulled the logic out of the constrctors to a another method, and then just call that with the new xml
18:16.42Labmonkey2hi
18:17.01Labmonkey2is anybody here interested in working on an sc2 map? I have a 5 man team, but I think another member would be good
18:17.13nicoli_swhat sortof map Labmonkey2?
18:17.21Labmonkey2uh did you ever play custom hero arena in wc3?
18:18.03monoframeby Hero Arena you mean AoS or Angel Arena type gameplay?
18:18.17Labmonkey2AoS isn't arena
18:18.27monoframePeople refer to it as Hero Arena
18:18.33Labmonkey2no
18:18.35Labmonkey2they don't
18:18.35Labmonkey2lol
18:18.39monoframeYes they do
18:18.45Labmonkey2in sc scene or wc3 scene?
18:18.48monoframeat least the one's I met
18:18.49monoframeWC3
18:18.52monoframeanyways
18:18.56Labmonkey2yea aos means dota/aos map
18:18.57monoframeanswer the question
18:18.57monoframeS:
18:19.00Labmonkey2hero arena means arena
18:19.05Labmonkey2like angel aerna I guess
18:19.13Labmonkey2but in the same way that chess is like checkers
18:20.07Labmonkey2anyway we are really serious about it, so I don't wana give out all of our secrets to everybody
18:20.23Labmonkey2but if your interested add king.labmonkey@hotmail.com to msn
18:20.27Zoxc-AoS = Hero Arena + team spawns and paths =P
18:21.16Labmonkey2thanks zoxc :P
18:21.33nicoli_swell i got my hands full with my map, so i wouldnt be of much help
18:21.36Labmonkey2k
18:21.39Labmonkey2what's your map?
18:21.51nicoli_sim doing a wave tester map
18:22.06nicoli_sso you can tell an enemy ai how many/what kind of enemies to build
18:22.10nicoli_sand then it would attack you with them
18:22.14Labmonkey2oh
18:22.22Labmonkey2so not a game
18:22.25Labmonkey2but like an ai tool
18:22.26Zoxc-got your unit spawning to work? =P
18:22.49nicoli_shavent worked on it zoxc, keep getting caught up adding new features to the editor
18:22.55Labmonkey2nic are you gana be still working on that when the editor is realeased?
18:22.57Labmonkey2released*
18:23.11Labmonkey2cause that doesn't seem like it would take long
18:23.43nicoli_sLabmonkey2: yes, since theres alot of stuff our editor will do blizz's doesnt
18:24.05Labmonkey2um
18:24.08Labmonkey2like what exactly?
18:24.11nicoli_soh you mean keep working on the map?
18:24.13nicoli_sor the editor
18:24.19Labmonkey2the map
18:24.25nicoli_soh, probably not
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18:24.32Labmonkey2but your gana be working on the editor?
18:24.35nicoli_syeah
18:24.44Labmonkey2what are you planning to get into it?
18:25.00Labmonkey2seems like you would do better with a weu approach
18:25.11Labmonkey2and just hook into the editor to add in your add on features
18:25.19nicoli_sweu?
18:25.25Labmonkey2world editor unlimited
18:25.28nicoli_sahh
18:25.30Labmonkey2I forget what the newest thing is called
18:25.35Labmonkey2but I remember that did what im talking about
18:25.46nicoli_swell we already started on the editor and have a bunch of code in place, so i think itll just be easier to coninue on
18:25.46Labmonkey2jassnewgen
18:25.47Labmonkey2I think
18:25.51nicoli_sbut we'll see
18:26.03Labmonkey2so no map making for you?
18:26.11nicoli_sif it turns out adding new functionality will be easier than adding it into our editor, then we might go that route
18:26.23nicoli_soh no ill still be making maps, but i enjoy this kind of stuff more
18:26.27Labmonkey2k
18:26.59Labmonkey2well ill keep looking for more team members, so if anybody is interested can you have them contact me?
18:27.08Nexuapexnicoli_s: you're using C#, right?
18:27.13nicoli_syep
18:27.23nicoli_sLabmonkey2: we have a team system on sc2mapster
18:27.25NexuapexConsidered trying to run it/get it to work in Mono?
18:27.39nicoli_sso you can create a team, and recruite for members, and have a forum for your team
18:27.52Labmonkey2yea
18:27.56Labmonkey2but I don't want to be that open
18:27.58nicoli_sNexuapex: im purely a windows guy so no not atm
18:28.00Labmonkey2its a pretty serious project
18:28.22nicoli_swell the other teams on there dont really disclose much of their project either
18:28.38Labmonkey2yea but I wouldn't be gaining anything from it :P
18:28.38NexuapexWhat are you using for MPQs?
18:28.48Labmonkey2already have team collab sites
18:29.06nicoli_sNexuapex: mpqlib, a .net library for dealing with mpqs
18:29.06Labmonkey2they are just secret
18:29.13nicoli_sahh mmk
18:29.39Sholdakdoes Mono support .net 3.5?
18:30.12NexuapexYes
18:30.23NexuapexUnless you're using WPF
18:30.26Sholdakit should work then
18:30.30Sholdaknope, at least not yet
18:31.02NexuapexWell, mpqlib/StormLib might pose a hassle
18:31.16Sholdakwe dont use stormlib
18:31.22RepoNew knowledge base page: http://www.sc2mapster.com/api-docs/game-files/models/material/ by witchsong
18:31.24Sholdakit's a fully .net library
18:31.41NexuapexThe mpqlib I'm googling says that it's a wrapper around StormLib
18:31.59Sholdaklet me check!
18:32.37RepoKnowledge base page update: http://www.sc2mapster.com/api-docs/game-files/models/material/ by witchsong
18:33.11Sholdakoh nvm
18:33.28Sholdaki guess he embedded stormlib inside the dll
18:33.34nicoli_sreally? that sucks
18:34.06nicoli_si do know of a mpq library that is entirely .net though
18:34.48NexuapexI'm just crossing my fingers that the SC2 mapmaking community won't turn out to be a repeat of the WC3 one as far as platforms go.
18:35.12monoframewhat do you mean by "platforms"?
18:35.19NexuapexPC/Mac.
18:35.36nicoli_sdoes sc2 even work on linux?
18:35.40Sholdakjust get vmware IMO
18:35.45NexuapexAlready have it.
18:36.02NexuapexComp slows down by many factors when running two OSes that both like to hog memory.
18:36.22NexuapexSeriously, Blizzard is one of the most proactive companies when it comes to cross-platform toolsets.
18:36.42NexuapexCommunity tends not to be, though
18:37.01Labmonkey2does sc2 work in wine?
18:37.07Labmonkey2I remember reading that they had some stuff working
18:37.14Labmonkey2but last time I checked I don't think everything was working
18:37.32NexuapexApparently they haven't tried it on B.net?
18:37.55NexuapexNo, someone's gotten it to work.
18:38.49Labmonkey2hm
18:38.52Labmonkey2yea
18:38.55Labmonkey2soembody got it to work
18:39.03Labmonkey2but like always with a bunch of workarounds
18:48.52nicoli_soh well back to work, should have galaxy auto completion + xml editing via text later tonight
18:51.53monoframeuhm, how to change unit's wielded weapon's name?
18:52.13nicoli_shmm, where does it display that?
18:52.26monoframewhere you scroll over armor/weapon icon
18:52.28monoframein the UI
18:52.33nicoli_stext strings are edited via the gamestrings file\
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18:54.20Hatio/
18:54.25nicoli_swelcome Hati
18:54.42Hatiis there any way to fix NativeLibs :P ? other than reinstalling?
18:54.47HatiError*
18:54.59monoframeand where to find that gamestring file? searched through the mqps with no avail
18:55.16nicoli_smonoframe: one sec lemme find its path
18:56.06nicoli_sMods\Liberty.SC2Mod\enUS.SC2Data is the mpq
18:56.16nicoli_sLocalizedData\GameStrings.txt is the path
18:56.18monoframethanks
18:56.21nicoli_snp
18:56.50nicoli_sand then just put the file in enUS.SC2Data\LocalizedData\GameStrings.txt in the map
18:57.02nicoli_sand you only need to put in the ones you edit
18:57.14monoframewell, I'm not making a map actually
18:57.27nicoli_shati: i dunno about that error
18:57.32Hatihmm
18:57.32monoframeso i'll just stuff the whole file into the /starcraft 2 beta/ folder
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18:59.04HatiErrorMsg if trying to start Map - line 9: Failed to include "TriggerLibs/NativeLib.galaxy": No such file or directory
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18:59.37Hatiwell it works - but i guess sometimes It's kinda bugged through this error
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19:04.12nicoli_sthats really odd hati
19:04.27Hatiyup :x
19:04.41Hatiwell but right now everything works fine oO
19:06.06monoframehope these are final iterations to my Observer-shooting Marauder modification
19:24.53nicoli_syer trying to make an observer shoot marauders?
19:25.06JademusSregOther way around, I think.
19:25.35Hatiwith detector effect or just model replacement :o ?
19:26.36Hatistill trying to figure how to set XP/Level for heroes :(
19:27.40JademusSregYeah, that's tough. Made any progress?
19:28.06Hatiwell
19:28.13Hatii have a archon hero with psi storm xD
19:28.21Hatibut he still can't get levels
19:28.28Hatibut he gains xp
19:28.35JademusSregReally?
19:28.40JademusSregGains xp?
19:28.40nicoli_sdo you get feedback on gaining xp?
19:29.01Hatimom
19:29.06Hatiuploading screen
19:29.54Hatialso got drones spawning themselves if they get killed
19:29.57JademusSregI think Max Level may be declared somewhere, or needs to be declared, as well as the formula for determining required xp per level.
19:30.04Hatieasy if you find the broodling behavior :D
19:30.12Hatihttp://img53.imageshack.us/img53/1569/screenshotfh.jpg
19:30.28Hatiyup he also gets 2-times xp for kill
19:30.42JademusSregHeh.
19:30.53JademusSregHm.
19:31.13nicoli_svery cool hati
19:31.18JademusSregI need to consult with the oracles. (I need to check the string dump.)
19:31.47Hatialso tried to get any information through UnitGetPropertyInt
19:32.10Hatibut theres no XP value either - so you couldn't use galaxy to make xp/level array
19:34.09JademusSregHere are some values you may want to tinker with.
19:34.09JademusSregVeterancyLevelArray
19:34.09JademusSregMinVeterancyXP
19:34.09JademusSregExperienceLabel
19:34.09JademusSregExperienceBar
19:34.35Hatioh nice
19:34.38Hatiwhere you found them o.O
19:34.53JademusSregString dump from the game's process.
19:35.05nicoli_svery nice
19:35.07Sholdaktexture selector working
19:35.08monoframeI guess with VeterancyLevelArray you define the level requirements
19:35.08Sholdakhttp://img62.imageshack.us/img62/3382/textureeditor.png
19:35.13JademusSregI think so too.
19:35.15Hatiyup
19:35.34monoframefor instance, for level 2 you would need 200 xp, but you can change it to 500
19:35.49nicoli_sawesome sholdak
19:35.56Hatinah it's not defined ^^ as it seems
19:35.57JademusSregSince there are no defaults, I think they all need to be defined.
19:36.22Hatias my drones give 20xp/kill and respawn instantly - i let archon kill the whole night (8hrs) he got about 16k xp
19:36.35Hatiso ... there's no xp/level before you define them it seems
19:36.49monoframethere are xp values set to some units
19:37.15Hatiyes but these are kill values
19:37.16Hatiif you kill it
19:37.24Hatior if this unit receives dmg you can get xp for that
19:37.31Hatior if you deal dmg you can gain xp
19:37.39monoframeyou need triggers for that
19:37.47JademusSregHahahaha
19:37.57monoframeor was I again decieved ?! :D
19:37.58monoframeD:
19:37.59JademusSregYou haven't looked at the files have you?
19:38.12monoframeI have my stuff to bother
19:38.40JademusSregThe experience system natively supports experience form taking damage, dealing damage, and killing.
19:38.46Hati<CBehaviorVeterancy default="1">
19:38.46Hati<PROTECTED>
19:38.46Hati<PROTECTED>
19:38.46Hati<PROTECTED>
19:38.46Hati<PROTECTED>
19:38.47Hati<PROTECTED>
19:38.47Hati<PROTECTED>
19:38.48Hati<PROTECTED>
19:38.48Hati<PROTECTED>
19:38.49Hati<PROTECTED>
19:38.54Hatisry for spam - but this is the thing for xp
19:39.26Hatiso you can simply set <XPFraction index="DamageDealt" value="2"/>
19:39.39Hatito receive 200% xp as normally from damage
19:39.57JademusSregThe first 3 define experience sharing with other units. Default is with the unit owner. The second 3 define experience sources; enemy units by default.
19:40.47Hatiyup but XPFraction index="DamageDealt" is by default value="0" :)
19:40.55JademusSregYup.
19:40.59Hatias it is not setted in the default box
19:42.01JademusSregAlright.
19:42.31JademusSregI think I may know how levels may need to be defined. Just a guess though based on syntax I've observed.
19:43.19Hatii guess it's in the unitdata :x
19:43.22JademusSreg<VeterancyLevelArray  reference="1" (or perhaps Level1) index="0"/>
19:44.05JademusSregNaw, I'm failry usre it needs to be defined in the behavior.
19:44.26JademusSregSince Unit defaults are pretty extensive in their definitions.
19:44.42JademusSregBut it is worth a try, either way.
19:45.07Hatilet's try :x
19:45.29JademusSregSorry. Not reference.
19:45.32JademusSregindex
19:45.33JademusSregHaha
19:47.03Hatiwell i thought of <VeterancyLevelArray> <Level index="1" value="200"/> </VeterancyLevelArray> in Unitdata :o
19:47.07Hatibut it didn't work :)
19:47.37Hatioh
19:47.39Hatihe is level 2 :O
19:47.41HatiHE IS
19:47.44Sholdak:o
19:47.48nicoli_s?
19:47.59JademusSregNeat.
19:48.11JademusSregNot what we were going for, but a step in the right direction.
19:48.14Hati<VeterancyLevelArray value="200">
19:48.19Hatibut he is level 2 from start :p
19:48.35JademusSregHm.
19:48.47JademusSregWelp, if it by unit, that's not terrible.
19:49.00Hatiwell you can define behaviors by unit
19:49.06Aleviceveterancylevel array add a level per each isntance of it
19:49.07Hatiyou can have for every unit a new behavior
19:49.18Alevicesay you add veterancy array 5 times, your unit is level 6
19:49.31Alevicekinda werid
19:49.35Alevicehe gains exp and shit
19:49.36Hatii guess
19:49.39Alevicebut never levels up
19:49.49Hatialevice - i guess because no req. is setted
19:49.50Hatiset*
19:49.55nicoli_sso wht exactly did you do hati? just add the value="200" to the VeterancyLevelArray element under a unit, and it started at level 2?\
19:50.14Alevicevalue means nothing from what i ahve checked
19:50.17Aleviceindex may
19:50.24Hatimaybe Require
19:50.27Hatior something like that
19:50.29Alevicehmmm
19:52.16Alevicethere is something like EBehaviorVeterancyXP
19:52.20Alevicemaybe...
19:52.22Alevicelemme test
19:52.33JademusSregWe can't use that directly, I think.
19:52.40JademusSregIt starts with an E. =P
19:53.00Aleviceof course not, but from what i hav eseen E prefixxes mean something linked to a subnode
19:53.06JademusSregMight refer to an Event marker in Galaxy.
19:53.13Alevicecheck the damn string dump for reference
19:53.15SholdakEffect i think
19:53.16JademusSregI did.
19:53.46Hatiwell
19:54.04Hatithe auto level you mentioned i guess is the failure of no required xp per level
19:54.15Hatias xp bar is full all time
19:54.21JademusSregWhat does your current code look like?
19:54.44JademusSregCnP
19:56.16Hatihmm
19:56.32Hatinvm
19:57.00Hatiok that's weird
19:57.12Hati<CBehaviorVeterancy id="ArchonLevelStatus">
19:57.13Hati<XPFraction index="Kills" value="2"/>
19:57.13Hati<VeterancyLevelArray index="1" value="200"/>
19:57.13Hati</CBehaviorVeterancy>
19:57.19Hatiand the hero starts with level3
19:57.58JademusSregAnd the unit has the veterancy level in its data too?
19:58.12Hatihero-flag yes
19:58.31Hati<FlagArray index="Hero" value="1"/>
19:58.32JademusSregI mean it has "<VeterancyLevelArray index="1" value="200"/>" in its unit data too?
19:58.40Hatinah behavior
19:58.50Hatiwill try in unitdata now
19:58.52JademusSregAlright, so it is just form the behavior.
20:01.29JademusSregI may know why, but it doesn't help. Array indexes usually start at 0. I wonder if it is adding 2 levels because the index is 1.
20:01.53JademusSregIt doesn't help because that doesn't solve the leveling problem.
20:04.02Alevicefun there is string called BehaviorLevel
20:04.08nicoli_sif only we could change gamedata via galaxy, we could just hack it in\
20:05.00Hatiif we simply just could code any map - instead of trying to xml ...
20:05.19Alevicexml ing is quite fun, mind you
20:05.31Aleviceit gives quite a lot of understanding of the game guts
20:05.38Hatiwell - i prefered lua all the time :(
20:05.40Hatiin wow
20:05.47Hatibut yea ... it is easier for this here
20:05.49Alevicelua didnt involve data
20:05.50JademusSregAlright.
20:06.02nicoli_syech, i def dont miss lua, but on the otherhand, i havent had to do nearly as much galaxy coding as i had to do lua
20:06.12nicoli_salthough i didnt do wow lua as much as war and runes of magic
20:06.28JademusSregIt may share a structure similar to build commands. More accurately, InfoArray.
20:06.52JademusSregThat would make more sense since otherwise we have no way to define the effects of a level increase.
20:07.34JademusSregStill, if Blizzard would have provided an example, this would be done already. =P
20:07.49Hatiyea but there are no heroes in multiplayer :o
20:07.54JademusSregExactly.
20:08.05Hatiwell but the otherway could also work
20:08.07JademusSregI went to bed hoping there would be an April Fool's patch.
20:08.10Hatias splash is define this way
20:08.12Hati<AreaArray Radius="1.6" Fraction="1"/>
20:08.12Hati<PROTECTED>
20:08.12Hati<PROTECTED>
20:08.20Hatifor example
20:08.56JademusSregSo maybe we can declare Level and value or something.
20:09.17Hatilevel and Experience
20:09.18Labmonkey2hi
20:09.20Haticould give a try
20:09.21HatiHi
20:10.01nicoli_syah, that might work <VeterancyLevelArray level="2" xp="500">
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20:10.46Hatibut the splash example seems bugged oO
20:10.54Hati1.6 Radius = 100%, 1.2Radius 0.5?
20:11.24Sholdaki imagine they stack
20:11.37Hatiwell its 1 spell :o
20:12.00nicoli_si think it might be an else/if thing
20:12.15Sholdakthen it doesnt make any sense ^
20:12.29nicoli_sif radius < 1.6, damage fraction = 1, else if radius < 1.2, then fraction = .5, etc etc
20:12.46nicoli_sbut yeah maybe it orders them by radius value
20:12.58nicoli_swho knows
20:12.58Sholdakso there's less dmg as the radius gets smaller?
20:13.17nicoli_shmm yeah i guess yer right
20:13.24Sholdaki'm guessing it's 1.2 gets 0.5+1+.25
20:13.41JademusSregExperienceLabel
20:13.41JademusSregExperienceBar
20:13.41JademusSregLevel
20:13.41JademusSregThese values seem relevent to the task.
20:13.53Hati...
20:13.53nicoli_syeah yer right sholdak that seems to make much more sense
20:14.14Sholdakand fraction is prob just capped at 1
20:14.25HatiMaybe label - you can define something else than 'Level'
20:14.27JademusSregI think Label or Bar may set text or something in the bar. Level may be a field.
20:14.32JademusSregbrb
20:14.34Hatilike Belt or something
20:14.54nicoli_si wonder if you can set starting level with Level
20:15.07nicoli_slike <Level value="5">
20:15.13Sholdakis there any value like XPRequired?
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20:15.22HatiRequireExperience i tried
20:15.24HatiMaxXP
20:15.37Hatibut i tried them in the wrong data ...
20:15.40nicoli_swhat about \MinVeterancyXP
20:16.32nicoli_smaybe its <VeterancyLevelArray><Level value="5" MinVeterancyXP=100"/></VeterancyLevelArray>
20:16.33Sholdakhow did it work in war3 again?
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20:16.45Sholdaki remeber each level had a different xp req
20:16.51Sholdakwas it just a formula
20:16.52Hatii guess it was hard-coded
20:17.14Alevicetehory, we need CRequirements and some other stuff that levels up
20:17.35Sholdakwell requirements are just to enable/disable abilities i think
20:17.41Sholdakor behaviours
20:17.43Aleviceas in detect how many kills a unit has done then give a new Veterancylevel array entry to the behaviour
20:17.59Hatiwell you could do this to level up sholdak
20:18.05Hatiif you can enable behaviors with it
20:18.29Sholdakhmm, that would be interesting
20:18.37Sholdakif they made level up a behavior
20:19.13Hatibut then you would need a possibility to 'catch' the current XP
20:19.31Alevice<EffectArray Reference="Effect,StalkerU,AttributeBonus[e_unitAttributeArmored]" Value="1"/> fromupgrades
20:19.40Alevicesuch notation could be used to level up or smth
20:20.43Sholdakactually they could have made "levelup" an ability with a certain XP requirement
20:21.08Sholdakso it's a button you click once the requirement has been met
20:21.16Sholdakshrug
20:22.01nicoli_si think its more likelye we just need to figure out how VeterancyLevelArray is supposed to work
20:22.08Hatiyup
20:22.14nicoli_smaybe it doesnt go on the unit, but on the behavior
20:22.28Alevicefor every veterancylevelarray entry you add, your unit has more levels
20:22.42Hatiwell it has clearly an effect in CBehaviorVeterancy
20:23.09nicoli_sso adding VeterancyLevelArray to the unit is affecting its level?
20:23.18Hatino
20:23.44Hatiadding VeterancyLevelArray to a CBehaviorVeterancy - used by a unit affects it's level
20:23.45Hatiits
20:24.01nicoli_sahh
20:24.14nicoli_sok so we just need to find what goes inside VeterancyLevelArray then
20:24.21monoframeuhm, how to lower missile or any other projectile speed?
20:24.32HatiMover i guess
20:24.42monoframegonna look into
20:24.59Hatior wait
20:25.00Hatino
20:25.07Hatiprojectiles & missiles are units
20:25.09Hatiso UnitData
20:25.42Alevicereuqireemnt is my guess
20:25.59monoframeyes found it
20:26.00Aleviceindex="0" requirement="balbla"
20:26.02monoframe"Speed value"
20:26.05monoframethanks
20:26.47Hatiso where?
20:26.47Alevice<InfoArray Unit="Larva" Requirements="HatcherySpawnLarva" Delay="15"/>
20:26.48Hatiunit or mover?
20:26.52Alevicefrom a behaviour
20:27.03Alevicetempted to try
20:27.03monoframeunit
20:27.28monoframemover defines under which circumstances the projectiles can be used
20:27.40monoframeand arching..
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20:32.39HatiGOT IT!
20:32.42HatiHAIL HATI
20:32.43nicoli_s?
20:32.50nicoli_sshare share :)
20:32.52HatiHAIL HATI!
20:32.57nicoli_shails hati
20:32.58Hati<VeterancyLevelArray index="0" MinVeterancyXP="200"/>
20:33.45nicoli_sthat lets you level up?
20:33.45Hatihttp://img88.imageshack.us/img88/4108/screenshot001th.jpg
20:33.50Hatithat does this
20:34.23Hatiand he is just at 100/200 now :P
20:34.26ckknighthmm
20:34.35nicoli_sso does the first number go up when you gain xp?
20:34.41HatiLevel 2
20:34.46Hatiyes
20:34.50monoframeAny command to add color tinting to a model/effect?
20:34.50Hatilevel 2 right now
20:34.55nicoli_ssweet hati
20:35.03nicoli_show to define the xp required for levels after 1?
20:35.13Hatino index seems required
20:35.24Hatias xp goes on
20:35.30Hatiso you start with 200xp in level2
20:35.42nicoli_sand 400 at level3?
20:36.04Hatiyou can set at yourself
20:36.17nicoli_show? via index?
20:36.20Hatimom
20:36.22nicoli_sindex is level+1?
20:36.32Hati<VeterancyLevelArray MinVeterancyXP="200"/>
20:36.32Hati<VeterancyLevelArray MinVeterancyXP="500"/>
20:36.32Hati<VeterancyLevelArray MinVeterancyXP="700"/>
20:36.36nicoli_sahh ok
20:36.43nicoli_sso the order determines the level
20:37.22Hatiguessing the order is not really important - as you start at MinVeterancyXP if you level up
20:37.37Hatiso you go 200/500 if you reach 200
20:37.45nicoli_sahh ok, so its based on value
20:38.34Sholdakok now to just figure out how to level abilities
20:39.01ckknightwhat'd be cool is a psi storm whose radius got bigger every time
20:39.07ckknightthen at lvl 10, hueg storm lulz
20:39.09nicoli_sthatd be really sweet
20:39.22Hatiwell training abilities is next to figure out
20:39.28Hatibut should be easy via submenu
20:39.35Hatilike building
20:39.37Hatiand requirements
20:39.46nicoli_si bet theres some requirement for level
20:39.47Hatiso simply you make your hero 'researching' them
20:39.56monoframeOr you could escape using menus
20:40.07monoframeby making available skills highlighted
20:40.21monoframeand the ones unavailable - tinted with grey
20:40.51nicoli_shati: is there a fancy level up effect yet?
20:40.58Hatidoesn't seems to be
20:41.07monoframeyou could add
20:41.28monoframeand tint it corresponding to players colour
20:41.37JademusSregExcellent
20:41.39monoframeok, so about model tinting, any commands for it?
20:41.46nicoli_swell we cant add it till we have triggers for this sort of thing
20:41.59JademusSregThere is an ability class called Learn.
20:42.01nicoli_sor some other way either via gamedata/galaxy to know when a unit is a certain level
20:42.03monoframetinting's definable by data editor
20:42.17monoframeso it should be available without triggering
20:42.24nicoli_smonoframe: the issue is dynamically doing it
20:42.31JademusSreg<PROTECTED>
20:42.31JademusSreg<PROTECTED>
20:42.31JademusSreg<PROTECTED>
20:42.33nicoli_sso level 1 an ability is disabled, at level 2 it isnt
20:42.40monoframewell, you attach the effect file to leveling up
20:42.58nicoli_sattach to leveling up?
20:43.46Sholdakit's not just a matter of adding a requirement, you have to able to choose what ability to learn
20:43.56Sholdakso there has to be some array that defines a list of available abilities
20:44.22Sholdakprob under CAbilLearn
20:45.09Hatiwell, another thing is, is there a way to increase Damage give stats etc. :)
20:45.54monoframeusing auras - this will be available, as for directly checking values with triggers
20:45.55monoframewho knows
20:47.10JademusSregI there might be, if we can figure out the valid fields for VeterancyLevelArray.
20:47.22JademusSreg*I think there might be
20:47.34monoframeanyways, so anyone have/know a command for adding tint to model ? :s
20:50.13nicoli_scommand?
20:51.13JademusSregField or attribute is probably a more appropriate term.
20:52.40monoframewell yeah
20:53.08JademusSregYou should be able to do it in ActorData
20:53.11JademusSregExample:
20:53.12JademusSreg<PROTECTED>
20:53.12JademusSreg<PROTECTED>
20:53.12JademusSreg<PROTECTED>
20:53.56JademusSregGonna mow the lawn. bbl
20:54.21Hatiso properly on something like On Terms="VeterancyLevel" Send="Blubb"/> ?
20:55.25JademusSreg(I was responding to mono's inquiry about model tinting.)
20:55.28monoframethanks jade
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21:06.23nicoli_swelcome vjeux
21:06.37vjeuxhey :)
21:06.47nicoli_syou just missed it, few people in the channel figured out how to get a unit that can gain levels through xp
21:07.11vjeuxwow
21:07.25vjeuxwhere's the post on master to explain how to? :P
21:08.20nicoli_sill wait for someone in here to write one up, if not, ill do it a little later
21:08.40nicoli_spretty simple though, just gotta add the levels with their xp to the veterancy behavior
21:08.42Hatihuh ?
21:09.18nicoli_sis that not right hati?
21:10.00Hatiit is just saw something strange
21:10.00Hatibecause of splash earlier again
21:10.00Hatiguessing SM splash is really bugged
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21:12.19monoframewait..so for tinting they use RGB...while for textures ARGB...FFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
21:13.05monoframeAnd I thought it would readjust itself depending on the tileset
21:13.07monoframefoolish me
21:13.21Alevicewell, model tinting doesnt have alpha, so it makes sense it is RGB
21:14.02Hatimaybe there's another command?
21:14.04Hatilike TintA
21:14.06monoframeno
21:14.09Hatior smth like that
21:14.12monoframethe model itself is alpha'ed :P
21:14.14monoframeand also tinted
21:14.16monoframeseparetly
21:14.19Hatioh ok
21:14.21monoframethat's what
21:14.29monoframemy mistake
21:14.32AleviceCAbilLearn   ->  PointsPerLevel
21:14.33Aleviceseet
21:15.37Hati:o?
21:16.00AleviceFrom exe string dump
21:16.04Hatiah k
21:16.12Alevicetime to test
21:16.12Hatiwas posting bug report for seeker missile :x
21:16.16Alevice???
21:16.25Hatiwell all other radiuses
21:16.29Hatiare 'right'
21:16.33Hatijust the sm ones are strange
21:17.16HatiArchon Splash
21:17.16Hati<AreaArray Radius="0.093" Fraction="1"/>
21:17.16Hati<PROTECTED>
21:17.16Hati<PROTECTED>
21:17.26Hatiie.
21:18.06Hatiso guessing it should be 0.6,1.2,2.4 or 1.2,1.6,2.4
21:18.47Hatiinstead of 1.6,1.2,2.4
21:19.52Aleviceheh
21:25.37HatiCAbilInventory
21:25.39HatiItems :o ?
21:26.54nicoli_si tried playing around with items but couldnt get anything working
21:27.08nicoli_slike i couldnt link loot to a certain unit
21:27.47Hatihmm
21:27.51Hatitried to 'spawn' it?
21:28.04HatiCEffectCreateUnit
21:28.20nicoli_swell that creates a unit
21:28.25nicoli_si need to create loot
21:28.29Hatiitems are units
21:28.38nicoli_syou sure?
21:28.54Hati<CUnit default="1" id="ITEM">
21:28.56Hatithink so :D
21:29.02nicoli_sahh didnt see that one
21:29.07Aleviceitesm are items, but tehre is a field where a unit can be linked to an item
21:29.27Hatiwell items on the ground are units i guess
21:29.44Aleviceyep. once they are placed on an inventory they probably stop being units
21:29.46Hatiand that was commonly the case that they were dropped in wc3
21:35.22nicoli_si think first wed have to find a way to show the inventory screen
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21:38.31Genopathhi
21:39.13Hatihi Genopath
21:39.27Genopathany news?
21:39.39Sholdakhas anyone tried CAbilInventory?
21:39.54Sholdakhttp://74.125.113.132/search?q=cache:W7TtMnEfRZcJ:pastebin.com/Bz4VyNpF+CAbilLearn&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a
21:40.58nicoli_si havent
21:45.10Hatiuuh
21:51.32monoframeHati, sorry for my incompetence, the Speed value in UnitData.xml relates to unit's speed, not projectile's; I'll look into MoverData
21:51.56monoframejust spotted my mistake
21:52.07HatiNah
21:52.13HatiI guess it also could be in Effects
21:52.22monoframe<PROTECTED>
21:52.22monoframe<PROTECTED>
21:52.28monoframein Mover
21:52.39monoframeso, yeah, the values are there
21:52.41Hatioh ok :D
21:52.50Hatinice
21:54.35monoframeeven different phases for the same attack are available, for instace: you shoot rocket which middle to it's final location releases additional engines and speeds up :P
21:54.45nicoli_sthats pretty sweet
21:55.05monoframeor so it seems possible with only Data Editor at hand
21:56.16Hatiwell, with galaxy editor everything comes easier i guess ... as you don't have to figure out what kind of attributes could be there and which not
21:56.24Hatibecomes*
21:57.07monoframeSimply escaping from triggering madness
22:04.44Genopathanyone wanna play?
22:19.00Hati:>
22:19.04Hatihave a hero with skill points
22:19.07SixenRawr.
22:19.22Sixenhttp://forums.battle.net/thread.html?topicId=24038457826
22:19.23Hatior tbh ... a hero with skill menu :P
22:20.20Hatihttp://eu.battle.net/matchmaking.html
22:20.21Hati!
22:20.35HatiOr is yours real :o ?
22:20.43Sixen:P
22:21.38Hatihmm
22:21.40monoframeBlizzard - handing your daily situationism in the outside world WITH CARE
22:21.47monoframehandling*
22:22.02Hati<PointsPerLevel value="1"/> doesn't seem to do it
22:22.05monoframeAnd excruciating loading times
22:28.55RepoNew asset: http://www.sc2mapster.com/assets/hexbox-starcraft-2-ai/. HexBox Starcraft 2 AI. GnaReffotsirk (Manager/Author). Approved by sixen.
22:29.53nicoli_si like that guys ideas about ai
22:42.24HatiQuestion: is there a link to a string dump somewhere?
22:45.16Hatifound
22:46.56Hatior not ._.
22:47.48nicoli_si dont have one, im sure someone in here does though
22:48.27nicoli_sor you can probably just easily make your own using hex workshop
22:49.03Hatiah k
22:49.21Fiskerfinds nicoli_s
22:54.35nicoli_sfound me
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23:16.26RepoNew map: http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/rising-new-agent/. The Rising of the New Agent. AegisRunestone (Manager/Author). Approved by sixen.
23:31.24Hatihmm
23:31.53nicoli_shmm?
23:32.28Hatinothing new :/
23:32.35Hatijust some EAbilLearn entrys
23:32.45Hatiand thus can't be used
23:33.56Sixenbump this pl0x http://forums.battle.net/thread.html?topicId=24038457826
23:35.06Hatican't post in US forums :<
23:36.39Sixen=/
23:38.05Genopathanyone know
23:38.11Genopathwhen does clash of the titans come out
23:38.21nicoli_sthe movie? no clue
23:38.30Genopathyea
23:38.32Genopathit looks good
23:38.32Genopathlol
23:38.58Hati8.4
23:39.03Hatiatleast in germany
23:39.23Hatihttp://www.imdb.com/title/tt0800320/
23:39.42GenopathTOMORROW?
23:39.43Genopathomg
23:40.01Hatino
23:40.02Hatitoday
23:40.09Hati:o
23:40.22Genopathoh thats right
23:40.24Genopathyou lucky euros
23:40.36Hatino
23:40.41Hatii have to wait 6 more days
23:40.54Genopathit said april 2
23:41.16Genopath"The Clash Begins 2.4.2010"
23:41.20HatiGermany
23:41.21Hati8.4
23:41.31HatiGermany   8 April  2010  
23:42.18Genopathoh fuck this city
23:42.22Genopathuntil 16
23:42.25Repo10milkywayedit: 03sanktanglia * r52 Tools/SC2MapEditor (11 files in 2 directories): dont show unknown tag error with gamestring values
23:42.27Repoupdated propertygrid to put updated xml text into the xml editor
23:42.28Repowhen editing the raw xml and its valid xml, data is transferred to the object and property grid
23:42.30Repoadded autocomplete to galaxy code, currently just uses all known types + control structures + does basic parsing on existing galaxy code for known function names
23:42.38nicoli_syay!
23:42.38*** join/#sc2mapster Bifuu|workin (~DS@cpe-071-077-144-013.nc.res.rr.com)
23:42.46Bifuu|workinWorst day of work ever
23:43.02nicoli_si feel for ya Bifuu
23:43.09nicoli_sfood servvice can be a bitch
23:43.47Bifuui almost died today
23:44.05nicoli_slike literally?
23:44.07Bifuuand ill fill you in later
23:44.15Bifuucuz mom is making me go with her to get a puppy
23:44.16Sixennice or bif, go bump our april fools thread
23:44.20Bifuuand yeah literally
23:44.24Sixen(4:33:56 PM) Sixen: bump this pl0x http://forums.battle.net/thread.html?topicId=24038457826
23:44.31nicoli_souch, well glad you didnt die :P
23:45.07Bifuuthere sixen
23:45.12Bifuubb whenever
23:45.21Bifuui hope soon im fucking tired
23:46.06ckknightBifuu: up for SC2 in about half an hour?
23:47.18HatiPointsPerLevel isn't working :'(

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