IRC log for #sc2mapster on 20100328

00:00.11Arthas-zzztry putting the edited one in base1000
00:00.15Arthas-zzzim off now
00:00.30Corboedited what?
00:00.54Corbofile or mpq?
00:00.54Arthas-zzzfile
00:00.58Corboshould it be undet Mods\libertyblagh'blah
00:01.05Arthas-zzzthis is just a guess from my side
00:01.06Corboor just mpqname\gamedata\file
00:01.22CorboCause neither worked :P
00:01.48Arthas-zzzwell
00:02.17Arthas-zzzD:\games\StarCraft II Beta\Versions\Base10000
00:02.35Corbo...and just paste the file in that folder?
00:02.40Corbohow'd that work >.>
00:02.45Arthas-zzzin the patchfile
00:03.05Arthas-zzzhttp://forums.sc2mapster.com/development/map-development/209-mpq-problems/
00:03.23Arthas-zzzthat one might be interesting, I assume it loads the racedata twice
00:03.44Arthas-zzzYou can test this by taking a map, and adding the RaceData.xml to the Base.sc2data folder. when you get in game, there will be duplicates of all the starting units, because the game reads the map's racedata.xml's startingunitarray as seperate from the one inside the other mpqs, and duplicates it.
00:03.45Arthas-zzzlol
00:03.49Arthas-zzzthats were i read it
00:03.51Arthas-zzzlast link
00:04.17Arthas-zzzshould explain it for you im tired as hell and have no clue what im talking about, that post however holds the key for you Corbo :)
00:05.04Arthas-zzznow for the fourth time or so im off again, peace out happy modding
00:05.08Corbowell
00:05.11Corbothat's retarded
00:05.23CorboIf it's just going to load everything twice.
00:05.33Corbowhy doesn't race data work like everything else?
00:20.06ShirikScytheBlade1
00:20.09Shirikwe should finish our games imo
00:20.19Shirikso we can get placed in copper and destroy everyone
00:39.15nicoli_scorbo: its only an issue with elements that can be duplicated
00:39.18nicoli_slike command arrays
00:39.24nicoli_sor starting unit arrays
00:39.42nicoli_sso stuff like life, which is unique, gets overwritten
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00:53.30ScytheBlade1Shirik: that's what it is looking like!
00:53.33ScytheBlade1Shirik: let me clean this place up and sure
00:53.40Shirikok I need to finish building Qt anyway
01:04.17ckknightI wanna play doubles
01:04.19ckknightwho's in?
01:04.29ckknightgonna reboot to windows
01:05.19ScytheBlade1me too
01:05.22ScytheBlade1good timing imo
01:05.25ScytheBlade1brb rebooting
01:08.06ScytheBlade1and back
01:08.19lapin_sc"I am not surprised to hear this. A very talented coder of mine said the game uses a similar file structure to war3, and wow. File structure is the most time consuming thing to break/figure out"
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01:08.32lapin_sclol ;)
01:08.39ckknightso, doubles, anyone?
01:08.48lapin_scckknight us?
01:09.04ckknightI ain't no damn furriner
01:09.31Shirikfurriner?
01:09.46Shirik2v2? do we have a fourth?
01:09.59ckknightI'm cool for a custom 2v2
01:10.02ckknightum
01:10.06ckknightwho wants in?
01:10.09lapin_scim in
01:10.11Shiriksbo and me
01:10.15ckknightk
01:10.16Shirikok that's 4
01:10.30Shiriklike how I volunteered you ScytheBlade1?
01:10.33ckknightlog on
01:10.55ScytheBlade1wtfu
01:11.06ZoxcI'm in, if anyone gives me a key =P
01:18.30lapin_scckknight wake up
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02:06.47ckknightZoxc: mention it to Sixen
02:11.37Zoxcmention what? =P
02:24.25*** part/#sc2mapster HeliosDoubleSIx (~HeliosDou@87-194-199-56.bethere.co.uk)
02:30.02ckknightZoxc: ask him for a key
02:32.38KevinDLeeif I ever catch any of you playing SC without a mouse and instead using a laptop pad I will kill you.  I just played a game with my ally using a fucking laptop pad
02:35.43KevinDLeeI'm withdrawing my nerd rage so as to avoid putting a thread up on the beta forums about it
02:36.53ckknightlol
02:36.59ckknightKevinDLee: doubles?
02:37.54ArrowmasterKevinDLee: what if i use a playstation move controller instead?
02:38.44Arrowmasterlaunching nukes minority report style, oh yeah
02:39.38ckknightlol
02:53.10KevinDLeeplaystation move might be better than a mouse if you mastered it
02:53.30KevinDLeeand if it is as awesome as they say it is
02:56.12Arrowmasteri could only see myself using one if i had a really really big screen, and they dont make 16:10 screens that large
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03:02.55sixen-debugStill alive?
03:07.43Zoxcsixen-debug: ckknight want me to mention giving me a beta key to you
03:08.29ShirikBut the science gets done and we make a neat gun for the people who are still alive
03:08.52sixen-debugHe did? :P
03:09.55Bifuu|WorkinAnnnnnnnnnnnnnnd im home finally
03:12.16Bifuuyay Bifuu! =/
03:12.29Shirikthrows a http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6ljFaKRTrI at sixen-debug
03:12.45sixen-debugYou threw a portal at me? :(
03:13.05Shirik:)
03:14.00lapin_scShirik http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQUaEF2bJZ0
03:16.26Shiriknice
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03:20.29lapin_scthis is even nicer http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGciu14uBYg
03:22.21BifuuSo i miss anything today?
03:25.20Bifuutake that as a no
03:27.01sixen-debuglol
03:27.03sixen-debugI've been gone.
03:28.03Bifuuwhats witht he debug?
03:28.20sixen-debug@Sixen is on at home
03:28.25sixen-debugNot home atm
03:28.35Bifuuo
03:28.56sixen-debugI registered this name a while ago when I was making my IRC bot/client, so... :P
03:29.13Bifuui figured it was a bot name
03:29.32sixen-debugI R A BAWT.
03:29.40Bifuubeep beep boop
03:29.45sixen-debugbleep bloop
03:29.46sixen-debuglol
03:29.53BifuuAwwwwww that guy i ownted never said anything =(
03:31.47BifuuZomg
03:31.49Bifuugolems map
03:34.22BifuuAnyone here have a Zune?
03:35.46sixen-debugNope, iPod! :P
03:36.05Bifuubleh
03:36.48BifuuI only bought a Zune HD cause the audio quality is better, i dont care for apps so it was a smart choice for me =P  but the stupid software keeps starting itself and is annoying as hell
03:37.46sixen-debug:|
03:38.06Bifuui do wan an iPhone then
03:38.31Bifuuthen ill be like, "Should i even bother taking a iPhoen and a Zune to school? super redundant lol
03:38.48Bifuuthen again having an apple and a microsoft product in the same pocket would give me nerd chuckles
03:39.02sixen-debugRofl
03:43.46Bifuutime for some spartacus
03:50.40Bifuuwoo for being called in early tomorrow at like almost tomorrow
04:00.27Bifuuwell texted in early haha, a Boss that texts me, pretty epic
04:12.22KevinDLeeoh Bifuu good work earlier today bud, it was a hoot
04:15.13Bifuuoh with your troller? lol
04:21.46KevinDLeeyeah it was funny, I admit seeing that thread twice was confusing for a moment
04:22.44Bifuulol yeah same i thought maybe one of your members tried to do something similar, and checked it out and started reading and was like "this..... doesnt make..... ohhhh i see" lol
04:22.49KevinDLeetungsten.typefrag.com : 49246 if anyone would rather talk in vent
04:22.54Bifuuiw asnt ganna say anything at first
04:23.18Bifuubut then i actually read his post, and since im a logical thinker my head was going crazy
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04:23.26Bifuuwas almost late to work because of it haha
04:23.47KevinDLeeget on vent bifuu easier to talk
04:24.06KevinDLeeplus I pay more attention to the noises in my ear lol
04:24.13Bifuusure in like 15 minutes, watching Spartacus still
04:24.59KevinDLeeah alright.  Yeah his trolling attempt backfired.  I really don't get why someone would troll people trying to help the SC2 community
04:25.50KevinDLeeI mean I tried wording that thread very carfully so that we didn't claim anything special like "we are the best" and shit like that
04:29.37ckknightwoo, we're the best
04:30.20KevinDLee*starts singing the song*
04:31.06KevinDLeewhen someone wins our first project we'll have to code in for that song to play
04:39.36BifuuGod damn that episode almost had my eyes tearing up
04:41.07KevinDLeelol
04:46.15Bifuuill hop on your vent for a bit Kevin i guess gimme a sec
04:47.15Zoxc"Sure there is. And there are no communities that are keeping this tradition alive. SEN is still with SC1 and THW is still with War3."
04:47.16Zoxclol
04:47.44Bifuui dont get it
04:47.53Bifuuthe lol part
04:47.58Bifuuwhats lol o.o
04:48.03ZoxcTHW
04:48.09Bifuunever been there
04:48.12Bifuuonly heard of it lol
04:50.31Zoxcit's a collection of wc3 mapping noobs :)
04:54.12BifuuGanna launch the WC3 World editor for the first time
04:54.13Bifuuoh yea
04:54.25sixen-debuglol
04:54.34sixen-debugWAREDIT is where it's at.
04:54.39sixen-debugWar1 editor ;)
04:57.43Bifuuim so pro
04:57.45Bifuui made a mountain
04:58.14Zoxccan you walk over it?
04:59.21Bifuui dunno
04:59.21Zoxcand does it look like this? http://www.wc3c.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=45979&d=1254904214
04:59.28Bifuuits just a fucking mountain!
04:59.40sixen-debug:O
05:00.03Bifuuit looks like
05:00.12Bifuuif you took cliffs and kept stacking them
05:01.03Bifuuthis editor is pretty neat tho, kinda wish i actually used it
05:01.20sixen-debugYeah, way better than StarEdit.
05:01.31Zoxchttp://www.wc3c.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=43533&d=1244256850
05:01.38Zoxclikes pretty terrains
05:02.01Bifuuindeed
05:02.08Zoxcproper shading is going to make thing alot neater
05:03.24Bifuui did 2d landscapes for a MMO a long time ago
05:03.34Bifuuthe game never got out of alpha =(
05:03.50Shirikthat's because game companies don't know how to make software, they know how to make profit
05:03.55Bifuuthen again it was coded in Visual Basic sooo yeaaaahhhh
05:04.09Shirikeverything I have learned about proper software engineering is violated by game companies
05:04.10Bifuui was like 10 too
05:04.18sixen-debuglol
05:04.29Zoxchttp://www.wc3c.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=29744&d=1192356957
05:07.07Zoxchttp://www.wc3c.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=33389&d=1208596236
05:18.01BifuuZomg i found my old SC1 cd
05:18.08Bifuuif only i knew where the case was =/
05:18.23sixen-debuglol
05:18.58BifuuAnd this is why i just bought it from the blizz store
05:20.17Bifuui wonder how much the other games are on there hmm
05:20.24sixen-debug$20-$40 iirc
05:20.55Bifuu40 bucks for wc3 still? O.o
05:21.04Bifuuand diablo 2
05:21.09sixen-debug=/
05:21.30Bifuuits 20 bucks at gamestop now i think too lol i should just by it there and put in the cd key on the site
05:21.51Bifuui actually have D2, but its tied to my dad's Blizz account =/
05:22.41Bifuuthe wc3 i have i barrowed from a friend when i heard people going "omg Dota!" and im like "omg whats dota?" and they are like "lol you noob! go play!"
05:22.59Bifuuwhichw as pointless to tell me because everygame i joined i got kicked because i downloaded the map
05:23.29Bifuu<-- totally is Dota raging
05:24.08sixen-debuglol
05:24.26sixen-debugwww.getdota.com
05:24.29sixen-debugthen go play :p
05:29.48Bifuui played, wasnt a fan
05:30.08BifuuHoN was alright but same issues
05:30.18BifuuPlayed LoL for a day just because its named LoL
05:32.12sixen-debuglol
05:32.17sixen-debugNever played LoL or HoN
05:33.21Bifuui cant really suggest which is better
05:33.26Bifuuthey are basically the same
05:33.49BifuuExcept one is free (LoL) and the other is in eternal beta testing mode and plans to be like 30 bucks
05:38.42Bifuui need to start planning my first map
05:38.47FrozenFirebatlol bifuu, you've never seen WC3 editor?
05:39.17Bifuunope
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05:39.33FrozenFirebatThere is a lot to it, but you'll notice it's limitations right away
05:39.39Genopathhi
05:39.48FrozenFirebatand it's response time is abysmal
05:39.51FrozenFirebathello geno
05:39.56Bifuui noticed half the map was blacked out for some reason lol
05:39.56ckknighthowdy, Genopath
05:40.22FrozenFirebatthe editor is bad about it's edges
05:40.29Bifuu"Zoom out!.... awww it doesnt show"
05:40.32FrozenFirebatand if you try to scroll out too far, you lose it all
05:40.55FrozenFirebatI forget, but you could also adjust the PoV as well
05:41.08FrozenFirebatI didn't really play with it much
05:42.00FrozenFirebatI did like that it included the ability to store data, no more having to count khadarin crystals on the map for values.
05:42.48Genopathwhat u guys talking about
05:42.52Genopathsc2 assets?
05:43.28Bifuuwc3 editor lol
05:43.28*** join/#sc2mapster veselu (~yoyosan@188.27.111.198)
05:43.40Genopathoh i love we
05:43.40Bifuuand the fac t i opened it for the first time today
05:43.48Genopathi hate jass though
05:44.07veseluhello
05:44.11Genopathhey
05:44.18Genopathso in my opinion
05:44.20Genopaththis new bnet
05:44.22Genopathsucks so much
05:44.27Genopathwithout private/public channels
05:44.41BifuuHey veselu
05:44.48FrozenFirebatit has them, geno
05:44.50Genopathi feel like if i was playing those msn games which have preset responses for everything
05:44.55FrozenFirebatyou must have not gotten the retail version
05:45.00Genopaththey've said they'll have public channels
05:45.06Genopaththey haven't said 1 word about private
05:45.24FrozenFirebatobviously it would be retarded to take a step backwards and not include private channels
05:45.34Genopathmy thoughts exactly
05:45.43Genopaththis new dev team
05:45.45FrozenFirebatblizzard doesn't have a history of making stupid decisions
05:45.48Genopathmakes me nervous
05:45.55Genopaththey do, sc2 ghost, wow bc
05:45.57FrozenFirebatexcept turning WOW into hello kitty online
05:46.10FrozenFirebatWOW BC was alright, WOW WotLK is bad
05:46.26Genopathi disliked how everything in WoW was about killing war3's heroes
05:46.35Genopathi do wonder how war4 is going to be
05:46.37FrozenFirebatlol
05:46.43FrozenFirebatwho else do they kill?
05:46.59Genopathbesides illidan kel thuzad lady vash the lich king
05:47.00Genopathumm
05:47.01FrozenFirebatcreative license... they killed off almost everybody in WC2 by the end of it
05:47.07FrozenFirebatand WC3 introduced new people
05:47.39Genopathcataclysm supposedly is gonna open the room
05:47.42Genopathfor the new war3
05:47.45Genopathwar4*
05:47.50FrozenFirebatgood.
05:47.58Genopathlike the human campaign with WoW
05:48.00Genopathin war3
05:48.03FrozenFirebatSeeing Deathwing go, though, is gonna not bode well with me
05:48.06veseluimo theres nothing new to offer for WoW other then what we see today
05:48.29Genopathindeed
05:48.53veseluand since Activion took Blizzard
05:48.53FrozenFirebatWOW carebeared out. I went back to EQ2 since they made the game Earl Z. Moad.
05:49.17Genopathacti didnt took blizz, Vivendi just decided to stick em together
05:49.17Genopathlol
05:49.20FrozenFirebatBlizzard's staff producers are still the same, Activision didn't change their flagship company
05:49.20veseluWoW is a cow to milk for money :D
05:49.45veselusomething did change mate
05:50.11veseluand we can see how
05:50.28veselumoney is all that matters to Blizzard for WoW
05:50.36veseluit's a dying product
05:51.02ckknightI'm extremely skeptical about a WC4
05:51.17FrozenFirebatOf course, they don't have their developement division for WOW anymore, it's a content department
05:51.17ckknightKevinDLee: you d/c'd
05:51.17Genopathi sure was as well
05:51.25KevinDLeemy game crashed randomly
05:51.28Genopathgot an inside source telling me it might be in the works
05:51.29FrozenFirebatProducers are in charge of wow now
05:51.48Genopathwell actually he said they were going to work on it
05:51.51Genopathbut he could be lying to me
05:52.09Genopaththey still have a lot of work
05:52.13Genopath2 sc expansions
05:52.16Genopath2 MMOs
05:52.22Genopathdiablo and the respective expansions
05:52.24FrozenFirebatand Producers only care about money. It's the Developers that care about content.
05:52.56FrozenFirebatObviously blizzard is working on a new MMO
05:53.09FrozenFirebatWOW's popularity peaked over a year ago
05:53.18veselu"Get money out of WoW as long as we are able" :)
05:53.22FrozenFirebatmeans they got another year before they have to start merging servers
05:53.32FrozenFirebatBut the support for wow will continue as people will play it
05:53.58FrozenFirebatjust like EQ1, that died after Verant left Sony, but they dragged in on 6 more years because of subscribers
05:54.01veseluwhat 2 MMO's ?
05:54.22FrozenFirebatObviously SC mmo is likely
05:54.26FrozenFirebatafter the expansions come out
05:54.32sixen-debugHeh?
05:54.34sixen-debugSC:Ghjsot maybe
05:55.16KevinDLeeit is getting late yeah
05:56.27ckknightSC: Ghost is dead
05:56.37sixen-debugNot really
05:56.46sixen-debugIt hasn't been cancelled yet. Still "postponed"
05:56.46FrozenFirebatSC2 WoL, WOW Cata, SC2 HotS, Diablo 3, SC2 LotV, D3 Expansion, a year of nothing, WC4, WC4 expansion, SC MMO. in that order. lol
05:56.51FrozenFirebatmy best guess
05:56.59KevinDLeeI'd be very skeptical about how a SC MMO is made, I mean it can't be done in standard MMO fashions
05:57.10ckknightthey've already said their new MMO is new IP
05:57.11sixen-debugKDL, WoW was made.
05:57.18FrozenFirebatBlizzard didn't make WOW in the standard MMO fasions
05:57.19sixen-debugYeah, ckk.
05:57.23FrozenFirebatWOW made MMO fashions change
05:57.26ckknightthat is, not Warcraft, Starcraft, or Diablo-based
05:57.26sixen-debugLost Vikings MMO.
05:57.44FrozenFirebatLV mmo fTw!
05:57.45veseluyes, indeed Sixen
05:57.52veselubest game I've played :D
05:57.55sixen-debug;)
05:58.15KevinDLeeWoW just refined what was already there, I didn't see anything extremely radical that WoW created.  More WoW took the ideas that were out there and made them better
05:58.22veseluand also guys, what makes these games better is their fans
05:58.32veseluI mean custom maps kept SC alive
05:58.37veselufor a very very long time
05:58.37sixen-debugNo doubt.
05:58.39sixen-debugSame with War3.
05:58.41sixen-debugDotA~
05:58.45veseluexactly
05:59.14KevinDLeethat's one of the reasons Artisan is wanting to work with SC2, we know the community will be around a long ass time
05:59.16veseluBlizzard knows what they are doing :)
05:59.31veseluregarding fans
05:59.32KevinDLeeand if we can be one of the reasons people still load up SC2 5 years from now, awesome
06:00.18veseluI don't really know of any other games editors that made such a huge DB of maps
06:00.23veseluor maps made with it
06:00.26sixen-debugAgreed.
06:00.37veselumaybe Heroes 3 ? :D
06:00.59veseluthere were some maps that I loved for Heroes 3
06:01.24veseluand WoG which was the best fan made addon for Heroes 3
06:01.35veselubetter then 4 or maybe 5 :)
06:01.45veselu*than*
06:03.52Genopathwhat maps did he made?
06:03.56Genopathfor sc or war3?
06:04.26veseluwho?
06:04.32Genopathartisian
06:04.41Genopathsomeone said he has a huge DB of maps
06:04.50veselunot artisan
06:04.59veseluSC or WC3
06:05.07KevinDLeeI'm confused here lol
06:05.08Genopathoh my bad misread
06:05.18Genopathwell its not the quantity
06:05.20Genopathits the quality
06:05.28KevinDLeeagreed
06:05.29GenopathDOTA is one single map, as much as i hate it
06:05.37Genopathit took down war3 custom maps
06:05.42Genopathor a big proportion of it
06:05.45veseluyou hate it, 2000 like it :)
06:05.53Genopathwell
06:05.58Genopathi hate it for many reasons
06:06.02KevinDLeeDota is good, but it should have never been taken as an E-Sport
06:06.06Genopath1) is that it discouraged a lot of ppl from making maps for war3
06:06.06FrozenFirebatadd an extra 0 to the end of the vese
06:06.28Genopath2) it requires very little skill compared to other custom games, ladder or even SC maps
06:06.49Genopath3) it takes like 10 minutes to set up game thanks to their "captains mode"
06:06.51KevinDLeeit was all item based, and certain heroes just rape
06:07.05ckknightI never liked Dota
06:07.11Genopathquite frankly
06:07.14Genopaththe reason i made my clan
06:07.16veseluwell they only thing I hate at Dota is the graphics
06:07.19Genopathand reason i have so many projects
06:07.26Genopathis to attempt to provide as many maps as i can
06:07.30Genopathbefore a map like dota steps in
06:07.33Genopathand does the same to sc2
06:07.41Genopathi know there will be filters and such
06:07.51FrozenFirebatIt wasn't dota, it was the bots that loaded dota that ruined WC3
06:07.57Genopathbut still "penetrating" the map market can be hard
06:07.59FrozenFirebatthey made sure the entire list was full
06:08.07Genopathindeed frozen
06:08.08KevinDLeeIcefrog said he will be creating dota for SC2, all we need to do is come up with unique ideas that have a chance to catch on
06:08.33Genopathand also have bots to set em up
06:08.41Genopathim thinking
06:08.45Genopathof buying 2 sc2 copies
06:08.57sixen-debugI'm sure Blizzard will be developing sc2 dota
06:09.05veselurepetitive gameplay is part of the future :)
06:09.08Genopathblizzard? no
06:09.13veseluwhy should they spend time/money
06:09.17sixen-debugI'm sure they will, Geno.
06:09.17veseluwhen it comes for free lol
06:09.23veselui doubt it sixen
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06:09.25Corbohey
06:09.31sixen-debugHey Corbo
06:09.33ckknighthey Corbo
06:09.34GenopathThey really won't bother with that
06:09.36veseluhey
06:09.39Genopaththe community is more apt for the task
06:09.44Genopaththe community >devs
06:09.48sixen-debugOne of the screenshots they have include a "Defense of the Ancients" map in the custom games section
06:09.51Corboanybody wants to save me some time
06:09.57Corboand tell me what's the unit limit?
06:09.59Genopathit was a placeholder
06:09.59Genopathlol
06:10.09sixen-debugPer race, corbo?
06:10.13Corbouh...
06:10.16Corbogame unit limit
06:10.22sixen-debugMmm, not sure
06:10.24Genopathi have no clue
06:10.27sixen-debugWell
06:10.33Corbowell I'm testing this the hard way
06:10.35veseluadd as many as you can
06:10.35Genopathu can select around 255 though
06:10.36veselu:)
06:10.36sixen-debugIf there's 16 players, 200 units each
06:10.45Corbonot supply limit
06:10.47Corbounit limit
06:10.50sixen-debugRight
06:11.00sixen-debugOh
06:11.01sixen-debugRight
06:11.06CorboI just made each cocoon hatch a thousand overlords
06:11.10sixen-debuglol
06:11.17Corbobut they've been spawning for a while now
06:11.23sixen-debugHahaha
06:11.23Bifuulol
06:11.24Corbohold on let me get you screenie
06:11.25Bifuugg
06:11.31BifuuNuke them
06:11.31Bifuu!
06:11.33BifuuDO IT
06:12.22Bifuudo you have a counter for how many verlords you got even when you hit the limit? lol
06:12.52Genopathim thinking
06:12.55Genopatharound 1600
06:13.00Genopathlike sc
06:13.01Genopathish
06:13.10sixen-debugGotta be more than that, geno
06:13.12Bifuuwell
06:13.12FrozenFirebatCorbo, they had a section in a QA at blizzcon about map unit limit
06:13.15sixen-debugIf each can have 200 supply
06:13.20Bifuuif hes hatching 1000 at a time....
06:13.20Genopathoh right
06:13.21FrozenFirebatthe developer didn't know the exact limit
06:13.23sixen-debugIt's gotta be 3200 at least
06:13.27Genopathyea
06:13.28FrozenFirebatbut he knew that it should be higher than WC3
06:13.29KevinDLeecould you imagine blinding some's screen with overlords in a ranked match?
06:13.37sixen-debugIf each player makes 200/200 zerglings
06:13.41sixen-debugthat's 6400
06:13.49FrozenFirebatUnit limit also includes buildings
06:13.52sixen-debugAh
06:13.56Genopathyea
06:13.57sixen-debugSo 6400+
06:14.04Genopathim not sure
06:14.04sixen-debugNot counting buildings & Ovies
06:14.06Genopaththey'll allow that
06:14.07FrozenFirebatCause in SC1, when unit limit was hit you couldn't even make buildings anymore
06:14.13Genopathyea
06:14.20Genopathits way too much shit
06:14.22KevinDLeeI remember those games lol
06:14.26FrozenFirebatand taht was at 1024 or 2048 units on screen I believe.
06:14.48FrozenFirebatI would imagine that SC2 should be able to handle at least 4096, if not more.
06:15.08KevinDLeein 4v4 clutter maps you'd have to be pumping units before the limit was reached and the other team won only because they maxed their armies and your side didn't lol
06:15.09BifuuSHOTS SHOTS SHOTS SHOTS SHOTS
06:15.24FrozenFirebatBut with how the architecture is in SC2, the lag will get intense
06:15.37Genopathaye
06:15.43FrozenFirebatcause in SC1, you only transmitted data between each other.
06:16.02FrozenFirebatNow, in SC2, it is handled server side
06:16.05CorboI'm not spawning them at the same time
06:16.19FrozenFirebatso now you have to communicate to the server about everything in the game, and it has to communicate back to the players
06:16.19CorboI thought they'd spawn all thousand at the same time
06:16.29Corbobut they kind just "wait their turn" to spawn.
06:16.39Corbothere's like half second delay between each spawn
06:16.43Shirikoh god I remember evolves games
06:16.44Bifuuoh lol
06:16.46CorboI'm spawning 10 eggs at the same time
06:16.49ShirikWarning: Unit placement failed
06:16.55Shirikover and over again
06:17.02Corbolook at like... 20 mionutes of spawning
06:17.08Corbohttp://img690.imageshack.us/img690/2923/screenshot091m.jpg
06:17.21Bifuulololol
06:17.25Corbothe minimap is priceless
06:17.30Shirikrofl
06:18.00Genopathlol i looked at the pic
06:18.05Genopathat first glance i though
06:18.09Genopaththat doesnt look like too many
06:18.11Bifuui love how it says
06:18.12Genopaththen i saw the minimap
06:18.14Bifuu45 Overlords completed
06:18.49Corbothat's just probably the one egg I had just started hatching
06:19.01Corbothere's gotta be at least 3k overlords in there
06:19.21Bifuuwell have fun waiting lol
06:20.03Bifuuthat makes me want to run that test myself now lol
06:20.55CorboI HIT A LIMIT
06:20.56CorboWOOOOOt
06:21.01Corbothey stopped hatchign
06:21.14FrozenFirebatthere was somebody on the forums that made over 1k barracks
06:21.25FrozenFirebatand said that his game would bog down and crash after he got around that
06:21.52Corbothere's gotta be mroe overlords than that in here
06:22.07Corboand I don't think any map has enough space for barracks
06:23.21FrozenFirebatlift off?
06:25.33Corboreally?
06:25.36Corbowasn't it tak---
06:25.39Corbonvm
06:25.41Corbothat's ebay
06:26.42Corbohttp://img638.imageshack.us/img638/6683/screenshot093w.jpg
06:27.05sixen-debuglol
06:27.12Corbohow can I count them?
06:27.29Genopathsave replay
06:27.35Genopathcheck if it shows on replay
06:27.48Corbommm
06:27.52Genopathif not you will need to grab every 255 units hotkey
06:27.58Corbocan you save replays off of launcher?
06:28.06Corboit isn't a game really >.>
06:28.08Genopathoh ur on lazylaunch
06:28.12Genopathidk
06:28.20Corbowell
06:28.27Corboif anybody wants to spend 20 minutes
06:28.32Corbospawning overlords with me
06:28.32Genopathrofl
06:28.40Corbothen we can save replay
06:29.01Genopathno rush really =)
06:29.07Genopathas soon as the GE comes out
06:29.12Genopathwe'll know exactly how many
06:29.15Corboall you have to do is
06:29.19Corbomake 10 eggs
06:29.24Corbohatch overlords
06:29.30Corbothen leave sc a while
06:29.34Corbountil it stops :P
06:29.47Corbothen one quits and we save replay!
06:30.01Corbofine QQ
06:30.42sixen-debug;p
06:31.11Corboseriously
06:31.15Corbowho wants to do it?
06:31.30sixen-debugI'll do it when I get home if you want.
06:31.32sixen-debugLike an hour
06:31.42CorboI'll be sleeping in an hour :C
06:31.45sixen-debug=[
06:32.08Bifuuill do it
06:32.27Bifuubeats spamming E spawning Phoenixes from a nexus that a Drone built
06:32.29Bifuu>.>
06:32.30Bifuu<.<
06:32.55sixen-debugLol
06:33.10Bifuui set the build times to 0.1
06:33.20Bifuuand i was like "ill be smart and build like 10 nexuses
06:33.23sixen-debugFigured :p
06:33.29Bifuui cant spam E fast enough to barely utilize 2
06:34.04BifuuScore G15 to the rescue
06:34.08Corbookay
06:34.12Corbolet me
06:34.13Corbouh
06:34.19CorboI wonder what file will you need
06:34.34sixen-debugHow're you going to select it on bnet?
06:34.34Corboabil data and unit data
06:34.47Corboyou can't play mods on bnet?
06:34.50Bifuulaunch it using modified Liberty
06:34.52Bifuuand Cires
06:34.54BifuuCores
06:34.57sixen-debugAre there??
06:34.58Bifuunot a modified map
06:35.03Corboyeah
06:35.08Corbothat's what I was doing
06:35.09Bifuuyou can mod Core and play on Bnet to hack the Camera
06:35.10Bifuuso
06:35.26Corbojust add gamedata\files to libetymulti >.>
06:35.31Corbodunno why it wouldn't work
06:35.32Corboright?
06:36.11BifuuWhile you do that i have to mess with this andd Screen it
06:36.43sixen-debugSeriously, Bif?
06:37.02Bifuuyeah
06:37.06Bifuuwell
06:37.08Bifuuive heard
06:38.28Corbok
06:38.31Corbouploading files
06:39.15Corbohttp://www.mediafire.com/?ljtnzzn1mxz
06:39.17Corbothere
06:39.41Corbomake sure you don't have any other files other than those too
06:39.46Corboor we probably won't synch
06:40.09Corbotell me when you're going
06:41.11Bifuuhttp://img180.imageshack.us/img180/5443/screenshot004tx.jpg
06:41.13Bifuucheck that shit
06:41.47Corbololwtf
06:42.04sixen-debuglol bif
06:42.07BifuuAll i have to do is put this in my liberty folder right?
06:42.16Corbolibertymulti
06:42.19Bifuuk
06:42.32Corboso it is
06:42.40Corbomods\libertymulti\gamedata\files
06:43.03sixen-debugSo how does this work?
06:43.04Bifuuk going now
06:43.13sixen-debugYou can choose a custom game on bnet?
06:43.17Bifuuerr
06:43.23Bifuuoh wait
06:43.24sixen-debugooh
06:43.27sixen-debugyou both have the same modded file
06:43.34Bifuuyeah
06:43.39Bifuujust do a melee game
06:43.47sixen-debuginteresting
06:43.58Bifuuthats the theory anyways
06:44.02Corboerr
06:44.06Corboyeah
06:44.08Corbowe hope so
06:44.09Corbo;o
06:44.26BifuuCorbo, whats your name in bnet? mines just Bifuu.bifuu
06:44.27Corbok I'm going now
06:44.30Bifuuim too lazy to look
06:44.31CorboCorbo.xcorbo
06:46.53Bifuumoment of truth
06:47.50Bifuulol i crashed
06:48.13Bifuu"Desync between peers in network session.
06:48.14Bifuu(uniqueGameId = 0x1AFBAB51)"
06:48.19Corboyeah
06:48.23Bifuuwait
06:48.25Corbowe desynched
06:48.28Bifuuit might have been my core file
06:48.34Bifuui had my zoom on it still
06:48.35Corbo>.>
06:48.35Bifuulol
06:48.41Corbok
06:49.18Corbotell me when to go
06:49.34Bifuugo ahead and get on
06:50.07Bifuuwell because of the desync, i guess zoom hack cant be used in ladder games
06:50.22Bifuuwhich is good
06:50.58Bifuuoh shit its loading
06:52.13Shirikzoom hack?
06:52.27BifuuScroll up and look at my screen shot
06:52.45Shirikoh nice
06:54.52Bifuubtw
06:54.55Bifuuits working xD
07:03.44BifuuYES! 136k points in unit perduction!
07:04.38Corbohold on bifuu
07:04.43Corbocan't join game
07:04.44Bifuuk
07:04.47CorboI'm summing the stats
07:04.53Corboto get max units
07:05.13Bifuuaight
07:05.30Bifuui built extra Drones tho >.< soo
07:05.57Corbono
07:06.00Corbothey all show up
07:06.02Corboin aftermatch
07:06.07Bifuuah k
07:06.09Corbobrb I brought calculator
07:06.15Bifuulol
07:06.54Bifuui want to see that but with Zerglings instead
07:06.59Bifuuthat would be crazy
07:07.20Bifuuand scarey
07:07.27Corbobut
07:07.37Corbozerglings would fill the map too fast
07:07.41Bifuutrue
07:07.45BifuuMutas then? lol
07:07.51Corbounless we make them float >.>
07:07.56Corbo<.<
07:08.02Bifuulol i wonder
07:08.10BifuuIf you massed a unit with cliffjumper
07:08.11Corboyes you can
07:08.14CorboLOL
07:08.15Bifuuand they filled the maps
07:08.17Corbo;o
07:08.23Corbobut they wouldn't jump
07:08.24Bifuuwould they keep jumping ciffs
07:08.29Corbohmmm
07:08.33Corboprobably not
07:08.58Bifuui should test late rin my lol map
07:09.52Corbounit limit = 14730
07:10.12Bifuudamn
07:10.14Bifuulol
07:10.18Bifuusuch a random number too
07:10.18Corbowait
07:10.24Corbohow many drones did you make?
07:10.30Bifuuuhh
07:10.33CorboI gotta substract the drones
07:10.37Corbonvm I'll look at it here
07:10.45Bifuui thought i made like 4,  but it looked like 20 lol
07:10.56Corbodid you try attacking?
07:10.59Bifuuthose little broodling things confused me
07:11.00Corbowith drones
07:11.02Corbo:P
07:11.02Bifuuno
07:11.07Corboyou should've
07:11.13Corbothey make like 5 broodlings
07:11.17Bifuuill try in our "finale"
07:11.32Corbolet me see how many drones in the map
07:12.15Corboyou made 5 drones
07:12.46Bifuumy supply was 16/5426
07:12.49Bifuuso
07:12.56Bifuu16-w/e you start with
07:12.57Corboya
07:12.59Bifuuyea
07:13.08Corbono not really
07:13.16Corbothe score is for units made
07:13.24Corboso it's 5 * 50 = score of drones
07:13.36Corbo147300 - 250
07:13.58Bifuuwhere do you see 147300
07:14.09Corbothe score of units made
07:14.17Corboit's the sum of both of our scores
07:14.23Bifuuohhhhhhh
07:14.24Bifuulol
07:14.35Corboso
07:14.37FrozenFirebatUnit limit also counts buildings and larva
07:14.41FrozenFirebatso don't forget to add those in
07:14.51Corbo147050 / 100 = units made
07:14.54Bifuuplus the Ovvie eggs that never left
07:14.54FrozenFirebatand it doesn't count units not currently in play
07:15.05Corbothaty's
07:15.14Corbo1470 >.>
07:15.18Corbo+ 2 hatcheries
07:15.21Corbo+ 16 drones
07:15.27Corbo+ 6 larvas
07:15.42Corbo1500?
07:15.43Corbowut
07:15.50Bifuuthat doesnt seem right lol
07:15.55Corbobut that's what it is
07:15.56FrozenFirebataround 1500 seems too low imo.
07:16.03Corbobut that's what it is
07:16.10Corbolet's try making it via supply provided
07:16.15FrozenFirebatassume 12 players with 30 overlords and 400 lings each.
07:16.23Corbohow much supply do overlords provide?
07:16.24FrozenFirebatwould break the game
07:16.29FrozenFirebat8 per
07:16.31Corbok
07:16.41Bifuuat the end my Supply went down O.o
07:16.52Bifuu5442 -> 5426
07:17.03Corboour total supply was 10204
07:17.14Corbodivided by 8
07:17.21Bifuustilln ot alot
07:17.24Corbothat's 1275.5
07:17.34Corbosee
07:17.37Corboit's 1500
07:17.59FrozenFirebat25 overlords + 10 buildings + 9 larva + 400 lings x 12 players
07:18.09FrozenFirebat5328 units.
07:18.14FrozenFirebatthat's what they would need min
07:18.19FrozenFirebatto make sure that you couldn't break it
07:18.26Corbowell
07:18.30Corbowe definately broke something
07:19.30Corbolet me make a mod where I start off with an scv
07:22.09Corbobifuu
07:22.12Corbohttp://www.mediafire.com/?mcz2d4dzzmi
07:22.20Corboadd that to the folder
07:22.26Corbotell me when to go
07:23.46Corbodid he poof?
07:24.53BifuuOh sorry i was tabbed out doing it the smart way
07:25.01BifuuMaking a galaxy script that counts the bitches for me
07:25.22Corbodid you get somewhere?
07:25.46Bifuuyeah i think
07:25.51Bifuunever touched galaxy before
07:26.50Bifuuk launching SC for your mod
07:36.38Bifuulol
07:36.57Bifuuim like "wtf why are the enemy drones killing my drone?!" I still had Corbo's uber drones on
07:44.34Bifuui got to 2979 units and cant test anymore cuz my phoenixs bugged out and cant move
07:44.45Bifuuso theya re blocking the building
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07:45.40xcorbolame internet is lame
07:45.41Jack[RCDF:o
07:45.42xcorbohttp://www.mediafire.com/?5gx5mo4th2e
07:45.47xcorbonew file bifuu
07:45.48BifuuCorbo
07:45.50xcorbofixed it
07:45.53xcorbo"somewhat"
07:45.55Bifuu2983 Units
07:46.01xcorboyou'll notice the somewhat in a while
07:46.01Bifuuand i cant do anything with new ones
07:46.05xcorboyeah
07:46.17xcorbothat happened to me
07:46.19xcorboin both games
07:46.27xcorbothe last overlords can't do anythign
07:46.30xcorbotell me when to go
07:47.06BifuuAnd units count the doodads and shit too
07:47.14xcorboI thought so
07:47.20xcorbobut there's no way to count the dooads
07:47.21xcorbo>.>
07:47.25xcorbooh wait, there is
07:47.29Bifuuwith Galaxy you can
07:47.33Bifuui already did it
07:47.34Bifuulol
07:47.39xcorboso...
07:47.41xcorbo2.9k?
07:47.45xcorbothere's pretty low
07:47.49xcorbothat's*
07:48.00Bifuugive or take thats when the phoenixes i made started blocking spawn
07:48.05xcorbo:P
07:48.11Bifuuk starting
07:48.40Jack[RCDFWat, 2900 is max units?
07:49.00Bifuuaround there
07:49.12Jack[RCDFDarn
07:49.28Bifuuat that point units you make cant do anything
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08:02.54FrozenFirebatblocking spawn or stopped spawning?
08:03.01FrozenFirebatbecause blocking spawn in a location is different
08:03.11FrozenFirebatit can't give the unit it's own location and thus doesn't give one
08:05.54FrozenFirebatAs for 3k units, that's about what the math would put it at IF you went by 12players x 200units (for supply) and 12x50 buildings per player. more like 40 buildings with 120 dodads
08:07.00BifuuIn Location
08:07.10xcorboupload some right now
08:07.11xcorbo:P
08:07.21Bifuuupload what?
08:07.26xcorbowait
08:07.30xcorbodid you save the replay
08:07.36Bifuuit auto saves
08:07.37xcorboor took screenies?
08:07.41xcorbooh?
08:07.44Bifuuyeah
08:07.48xcorbointeresting
08:08.00BifuuDocuments > Starcraft 2 beta > replays > Multiplayer
08:08.09Bifuuor something like that
08:09.03xcorbommm
08:09.09xcorbonow I'm bored :P
08:09.16Bifuuim tempted
08:09.22Bifuuto post that on Team Liquid
08:09.31Bifuu"Help i keep getting nuked as Zerg wtf?!"
08:09.33xcorbomy tutorial can't keep going cause of that stupid racedata error
08:09.40xcorbothat it doubles everything
08:09.42xcorboLOL
08:09.43xcorbodo it
08:09.57Bifuubut it begs another qestion
08:10.04BifuuDo you need your files to watch the replay
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08:10.22xcorbolet's try it?
08:10.37Bifuueasy test
08:10.40Bifuuill check
08:11.49xcorbonope
08:11.52xcorbocrashes for me
08:11.59Bifuuyeah
08:12.00Bifuulame
08:12.16Bifuuok well im out
08:12.19Bifuulater peoples
08:22.23NakDotNakI'm gonna hit the sack now. I've had enough brainstorming for one day. Seeya all tomorrow!
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08:29.16xcorbohttp://img214.imageshack.us/img214/8624/screenshot098.jpg
08:29.16xcorbohttp://img180.imageshack.us/img180/2034/screenshot099k.jpg
08:29.16xcorbohttp://img46.imageshack.us/img46/3184/screenshot100ga.jpg
08:29.36xcorboeveryone left?
08:30.09xcorboyeah
08:30.13xcorboI'md one too
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08:54.23RepoAdded SC2MapsterLibs/MapsterGameEvents.galaxy library
08:54.24RepoStarted modifying units models/weapon effects for testing purposes
08:54.26RepoAdded Ultimate Vesel upgrade to Sixen Tower
08:54.27RepoChanged Pylon Model
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08:58.39Sixenback
09:01.25Genopathwelcome back
09:01.59Arthas-zzzwb wb
09:02.45Arthas-zzzmorning perhaps?
09:02.47Arthas-zzz:O
09:07.46Sixenmmm
09:07.46Sixen2am
09:07.47Sixenlol
09:07.53Arthas-zzzearly bird!
09:07.57Arthas-zzz11 am here :p
09:08.04RepoNew map: http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/demon-day/. Demon Day. TDelamay (Manager/Author). Experimental. Approved by sixen.
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09:19.55upupand|awaywow, I get bitched at cause I attacked a zerg player 10 minutes into the game with M&M
09:20.17upupand|awayaww how did I end up with this name... how do I change names?
09:20.29Witchsong./nick
09:20.48WitchsongGood morning.
09:20.52Arthas-good morning
09:20.58Arthas-its like 11:20 am
09:21.07Arthas-ive been up for minutes washing clothes :(
09:21.36WitchsongI started writing my XML code from scratch, and this time the code looks a lot prettier.
09:21.56Sixen:)
09:22.19SixenRofl
09:22.23Sixen"upupand|away|
09:22.51vjeuxhttp://forums.sc2mapster.com/development/map-development/259-giving-resources/
09:22.55vjeuxgiving resource tail
09:22.58vjeuxtale
09:23.15Arthas-i wonder if we can later on modify giving resources to something else
09:23.16Arthas-:O
09:23.32Arthas-im considering giving units or using it as a quickshop for items in an rpg
09:23.39Arthas-OR the little porn movie player
09:23.54Arthas-theres no end to the possibilities!
09:24.58Sixen;P
09:25.54vjeuxof course we will be able to edit player resources
09:26.00SixenIn the future~
09:26.07vjeuxwhen the editor will be out
09:26.29Arthas-remember dn4?
09:26.30Arthas-:p
09:26.33vjeuxwtb @
09:26.39Arthas-i like the post vjeux
09:27.08vjeuxthanks
09:28.10Arthas-TDs needs to be refreshed
09:29.16vjeuxwhat do you mean?
09:32.39Arthas-i wanna play a td where you are not given resources ala old td
09:33.05Arthas-so perhaps some resources randomly popping out from the enemies + another way to gather money
09:36.00vjeuxwell, we still need to attribute resources some way
09:36.31Arthas-yeah :p
09:37.02vjeuxI like the gold being popping from the enemies p
09:37.33Arthas-yup
09:37.53Arthas-are we unable to spawn neutral units?
09:38.22vjeuxhmm
09:38.36vjeuxdon't know if we can set player 0 to be an AI
09:38.39vjeuxlet me test
09:39.52SixenNot sure.
09:39.57SixenWhat is player 0 anyway?
09:39.58SixenNeutral?
09:40.18Arthas-isnt player 0 = 1
09:40.36vjeuxplayer 0 = all the mineral, doodads ...
09:40.40Arthas-ah
09:40.44vjeuxbut it's a neutral player and not an AI
09:40.47Sixen<,
09:40.48SixenMm
09:40.57vjeuxso you can't use AITrain on it :(
09:41.28Sixenbrb
09:46.26Arthas-hmm vjeux
09:46.44Arthas-would it be possible to use CEffectCreateUnit ?
09:46.53vjeuxdon't know
09:46.58Arthas-<CEffectCreateUnit id="ForceField"> that one for example has <SpawnOwner Value="Neutral" /> '
09:47.08vjeuxoh nice
09:47.20Arthas-so if you modify the broodlings field that is used when popping out to enutral you will hopefully get around :)
09:48.00Arthas-that value wasnt on wiki :O
09:50.14vjeuxupdated the post to add something
09:50.37Arthas-nice :)
09:50.53Arthas-fastest possible map just got faster
09:53.30vjeuxomg you are the man!
09:53.34Arthas-;)
09:53.52Arthas-updating the xml doc for that one then
09:53.59Arthas-do we know of any other values but Neutral?
09:55.33vjeuxnot in the xml
09:56.38RepoKnowledge base page update: http://www.sc2mapster.com/api-docs/game-files/xml/effect-data-xml/ by HPX
09:56.55Arthas-aight
09:58.03Arthas-I guess Player is default for that value aswell, but hey I gotta run to put the clothes in the dryer
09:59.03vjeuxok edited the post
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10:18.41Arthas-vjeux
10:18.49Arthas-you know how much refund the bunker gives for salvage?
10:18.51vjeuxyes?
10:19.04vjeuxno idea
10:19.23Arthas-gotta start a game up and check I suspect 100% and I wonder if that could also be used to give resources to the player
10:19.44vjeuxgood idea
10:21.20vjeuxwtf it doesn't create units if not on creep -_-
10:25.04Sixen(2:50:52 AM) Arthas-: fastest possible map just got faster
10:25.07Sixenwhat'd I miss?
10:26.58Arthas-yeah, salvage returns 100%
10:27.14SixenCan we use it via galaxy though?
10:27.24Arthas-use what :O
10:27.28Sixensalvage
10:27.45Arthas-checking it now
10:28.09vjeuxI really need to play the game to see what's possible and what's not :p
10:28.12Arthas-also i dont know if its possible to use salvage to push money to another player
10:30.58SixenNot a big deal, HP
10:31.03SixenWe can create X bunkers for the player
10:31.10Sixenand just make it use Salvage after each round or something
10:31.17SixenIf we can do it thorugh galaxy
10:31.19Arthas-well I really think this is possible
10:31.37Arthas-deatheffect spawn X for player - then use salvage on X
10:31.53Arthas-it seems like the datafiles are indeed way more powerful than in wc3
10:32.05Arthas-uberlisk should be possible :p
10:33.10Arthas-btw vjeux only on creep?
10:34.22vjeuxwell, it doesn't seem to work if the units are not on creep
10:34.28vjeuxmight be a side effect of larva
10:34.47vjeuxusing larva as mineral
10:34.54Arthas-<BehaviorArray Link="DeathOffCreep" />
10:34.55Arthas-yes
10:34.59Arthas-most certainly :p
10:35.13vjeuxlol
10:35.13Arthas-although death shouldnt be instant i think
10:35.22Arthas-but then i never play zerg :)
10:35.27Arthas-stupid insects
11:05.46vjeuxhttp://www.millenium.org/section/183-videos-sc-ii/article/19671-mapster-td-le-premier-tower-defense
11:05.51vjeuxfrontpage of millenium
11:05.54vjeuxbut they didn't link us ...
11:07.24Witchsong3ds Max doesn't seem to like tangent-space vectors in COLLADA files, it seems.
11:08.02Sixen:(
11:08.12Arthas-vjeux no worries
11:08.20Arthas-ppl who are to lazy to google is of no interest :p
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11:08.26Arthas-and you do get at the top of google atm :D
11:08.31SixenVideo says "SC2Mapster.com" though
11:08.38Remy_vjeux did you check out the new tool yet?>
11:08.47vjeuxcheckin it now
11:08.59Arthas-new tool? =O
11:09.10Remy_typchecker is going really well now
11:09.11vjeuxhave you added an exe file?
11:09.12Remy_had some delays
11:09.16Remy_but it'll be finished soon
11:09.21Remy_has lots of different error messages =D
11:09.31Remy_yeah the latest binary
11:09.32Remy_0.0.3
11:10.12SixenPretty cool, Remy.
11:10.13Sixen=]
11:11.17vjeuxhow do you specify a folder?
11:11.27Remy_through the command line
11:11.37Remy_just run the tool and it will output a usage file
11:11.49Remy_run it on a terminal
11:12.46Sixenvjeux, how come there's no Download button for corbo's tileset asset
11:12.49SixenI don't know why :(
11:13.04vjeuxyou can download only Released files
11:13.08SixenAh
11:14.16vjeuxHmm, how do you work with includes with include directory?
11:14.49vjeux@lapin.exe -i -I "../Files/Galaxy/" -B "TriggerLibs/NativeLib_beta.galaxy" "../Files/Galaxy/MapScript.galaxy"
11:14.50SixenAlso, your youtube video cannot be found
11:15.03Sixenoh weird. not yet processed.
11:15.08vjeuxyep ...
11:16.09vjeux-I defines a lookup directory
11:16.32vjeuxthe last parameter is the starting file
11:19.02WitchsongI need to know something: How do I change the delimiter for floats from , to .?
11:19.10WitchsongIn C#, taht is.
11:19.12Witchsongthat*
11:19.53WitchsongWhen I convert to string, it uses ,
11:20.02vjeuxsearch the locale options
11:20.03WitchsongBut that messes it up for the COLLADA reader, I think.
11:22.07SixenIf I wanted to print the game time, can I just do Print TriggerTimer?
11:22.21vjeuxAIGetTime()
11:22.38vjeuxor you can increase a variable in the TriggerTimer
11:22.51SixenMmk
11:22.53SixenAlso, did you see: http://paste.sc2mapster.com/1894/
11:22.55vjeuxor, everytime you print something in the debug window it's timestamped
11:23.42vjeuxnop
11:24.06SixenHe commented the bottom of the function list
11:24.14Sixen00:00:00.00 Script load failed: Implicit cast not allowed
11:24.15Sixenwut
11:24.18vjeuxowned
11:24.53SixenWhy can't I print AIGetTime();
11:24.54Sixen=/
11:25.40vjeuxdi(AIGetTime());
11:25.49vjeuxor df( if that's a float
11:26.01Sixenhrm?
11:26.05Sixenwhat's the d do?
11:27.09SixenCan't do that either. Still tells me implicit cast
11:27.14vjeuxdebug string
11:27.25vjeuxhttp://www.sc2mapster.com/assets/debug-utilities/
11:27.42SixenOh nice
11:27.57vjeuxfixed AIGetTime(void);
11:28.05vjeuxso df(AIGetTime());
11:28.08vjeuxor
11:28.10SixenDidn't work =|
11:28.21vjeuxd(FixedToString(AIGetTime(), 2));
11:28.48SixenSame error
11:29.45vjeuxit's somewhere else
11:29.48vjeuxthis is working fine
11:30.17SixenThat was all I changed =|
11:30.28vjeuxmust not be
11:30.51Sixen<PROTECTED>
11:30.51Sixen<PROTECTED>
11:30.51Sixen<PROTECTED>
11:30.52Sixen<PROTECTED>
11:30.52Sixen<PROTECTED>
11:30.52Sixen<PROTECTED>
11:31.34vjeuxd() prints the parameters and return void
11:31.45vjeux<PROTECTED>
11:31.47vjeuxhere you go
11:32.20Sixenoic.
11:32.31Sixenbut what's up with that?
11:32.37SixenThere's a limit to the text that can be displayed? :P
11:32.45vjeuxyep
11:33.17vjeuxhttp://www.fooo.fr/~vjeux/curse/sc2/helloworld/cutwtf.PNG
11:33.25vjeuxmaybe print it in another location
11:35.45SixenJust going to setup a -help command for all commands imo
11:36.06vjeux:)
11:39.02SixenSweet
11:39.02Sixen:D
11:39.44RepoNew knowledge base page: http://www.sc2mapster.com/api-docs/functions/list/ by vjeux
11:40.31vjeuxis the page bugged for you?
11:40.33SixenDid you make any changes to the Tutorial map you need to change?
11:40.37SixenOr can I upload a new ver
11:40.38Sixenyes
11:40.45SixenThe page isn't redirecting properly
11:41.05RepoNew knowledge base page: http://www.sc2mapster.com/api-docs/functions/listing/ by vjeux
11:41.27vjeuxgrr
11:41.43vjeuxgo ahead and upload :)
11:41.51vjeuxmake sure you didn't break anything :p
11:42.27vjeuxckknight: http://www.sc2mapster.com/api-docs/functions/list/ and http://www.sc2mapster.com/api-docs/functions/listing/ are bugged
11:46.47SixenHrm?
11:46.56RepoNew knowledge base page: http://www.sc2mapster.com/api-docs/functions/raw-list/ by vjeux
11:47.06SixenAICast() is what moves them?
11:47.32vjeuxyep
11:48.09SixenWhere is the point it moves them to though?
11:48.24vjeuxcamera target
11:48.46SixenOoooooh
11:48.47SixenNevermind.
11:54.01Sixen<PROTECTED>
11:54.01Sixen<PROTECTED>
11:54.04Sixensyntax error.
11:54.17WitchsongYay!
11:54.30Sixenoh lawd.
11:54.31WitchsongIt was just the wrong group separator in the number that screwed up my XML.
11:54.44SixenNice witch :D
11:54.50vjeuxhave you got a point p; at the top of the function?
11:54.54Sixenyes
11:54.59vjeuxpaste me the function
11:55.06Sixenshould it be command isntead of message though?
11:55.10Sixenstill says syntax error :p
11:55.27SixenThat's the part that's screwing up. p =
11:55.38vjeuxstring message = EventChatMessage(false);
11:55.41Sixenoh, oops.
11:55.58vjeuxtherefore   string command = StringWord(message, 1);
11:56.33WitchsongAnyone remind me, does SC2 use Y-UP or Z-UP in their models?
11:56.41SixenIt's the same thing, no?
11:57.18Sixenvjeux
11:58.20vjeuxwhat is the same?
11:58.54Sixenstring command = (EventChatMessage(false), 1);
11:59.13vjeuxyeah, but we will have to use the message after
11:59.18vjeuxto get the words 2 and 3
11:59.59vjeuxhttp://vimeo.com/10498065
12:00.06vjeuxgrrr, my video is making vimeo bug ...
12:01.16SixenHmph
12:01.16SixenGives me unknown command everytime
12:03.08vjeuxpaste the code
12:03.19Sixen<PROTECTED>
12:03.20Sixen<PROTECTED>
12:03.20Sixen<PROTECTED>
12:03.20Sixen<PROTECTED>
12:03.20Sixen<PROTECTED>
12:03.20Sixen<PROTECTED>
12:03.20Sixen<PROTECTED>
12:03.21Sixen<PROTECTED>
12:03.21Sixen<PROTECTED>
12:03.25SixenOh
12:03.26SixenI think I know
12:03.39vjeuxthe full function :p
12:03.45vjeux(in paste.sc2mapster)
12:04.49Sixenhttp://paste.sc2mapster.com/1898/
12:04.54vjeuxhttp://www.gametube.org/?#/video/U/LF3Ygwp3E6Mjtdal3Na7vQvPEQ=
12:05.18vjeuxremove the space after -moveto
12:05.29SixenI put that in thinking it'd work
12:05.33Sixendoesn't work without the space.
12:06.00Sixensec
12:06.19SixenMmm
12:06.22SixenNo bueno
12:06.24vjeuxyou forgot the return true;
12:06.34Sixenoh lawd
12:06.38vjeuxso it executes the action but still says unknown cmd
12:06.45Sixenright, right
12:07.06vjeuxuse print(1, ...)
12:07.22vjeuxinstead of UIDisplayMessage(PlayerGroupAll() :p
12:07.22Sixenwhere
12:07.24Sixenoh
12:07.25Sixenk
12:08.09vjeux-moveto x,y
12:08.14vjeux-moveto x y
12:08.20vjeuxwe can't split with a ,
12:09.22vjeuxwhat you can do with moveto is check that the units can go there using AIFilterPathable
12:09.30vjeuxwould be a great example
12:09.43SixenYeh
12:10.23vjeuxif UnitGroupCount( <pathable>) != UnitGroupCount ( <base group> ) { error("Units can't go there"); }
12:10.46RepoKnowledge base page update: http://www.sc2mapster.com/api-docs/functions/aifilter-pathable/ by sixen
12:11.14Sixenhm
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12:11.23SixenHow do I know if the units are actually going where I want
12:11.43RepoKnowledge base page update: http://www.sc2mapster.com/api-docs/functions/aifilter-pathable/ by vjeux
12:11.58Sixenyeah, I don't think the cmd does anything?
12:11.58vjeuxyou see them go there :p
12:12.47Sixenthey don't move for some reason
12:13.23vjeuxwhen using move or moveto?
12:13.32Sixenmoveto
12:13.40vjeuxand move?
12:13.49Sixenmoveworks
12:13.51Sixenmoveto doesn't
12:14.11SixenLooks exactly the same except I used "p"
12:14.15Sixenwhich means that's not right.
12:14.21Sixen<PROTECTED>
12:14.21Sixen<PROTECTED>
12:14.24vjeuxdp(p);
12:14.32vjeuxto see what's under the point :p
12:15.17Sixenhm?
12:15.19Sixenpoint is correct.
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12:15.47vjeuxveselu: http://forums.sc2mapster.com/development/map-development/259-how-to-giving-resources/?unread
12:15.59SixenSo wtf: (
12:16.00vjeuxcombined with AIFilterPathable it's going to rox for the td
12:16.09vjeuxpaste the code sixex
12:16.11vjeuxSixen:
12:16.23SixenSame code as before, just with return true;
12:16.24veseluThe video you have requested is not available.
12:16.40ScytheBlade1vjeux: the video you have requested is not currently available.
12:16.45vjeuxhttp://www.gametube.org/?#/video/U/LF3Ygwp3E6Mjtdal3Na7vQvPEQ=
12:16.49vjeuxyeah youtube sux ...
12:16.51vjeuxtoo slow
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12:17.13veseluforgot to say hello :D
12:17.20Sixenlol
12:17.33Sixenvjeux: http://paste.sc2mapster.com/1898/ -- just with return true;
12:17.54vjeux<PROTECTED>
12:17.57vjeuxremove the space
12:18.03Sixener
12:18.04Sixenminus the space too
12:18.07vjeuxand print something inside
12:18.13vjeuxso you know it's being called
12:18.22vjeuxdp(p); dg(g);
12:18.27vjeuxoh ...
12:18.31vjeuxyou didn't set the group
12:18.46Sixenlawlz
12:18.48Sixenic.
12:20.32vjeuxhttp://www.sc2mapster.com/announcements/mapster-td-video/
12:20.36vjeuxwe have korean comments :p
12:20.55SixenSweet, that works :D
12:21.02Sixenlol
12:21.48veselugoogle translate outputs something decent
12:21.54veseluout of that comment
12:22.22vjeuxyep
12:22.56veselushould we answer back in koreean? :D
12:23.12vjeux:p
12:23.15ScytheBlade1surely you have that process written up somewhere?
12:23.16Arthas-tips on stresstest map for wc3
12:23.17ScytheBlade1Just link
12:23.18Arthas-:p
12:23.39Arthas-i made a quick map that spawns 200 hovercrafts and then kills em off again, how can i make it even more stressful for hte computer?
12:23.58vjeuxadd some nukes
12:24.13Arthas-wc3 :p
12:24.19vjeuxoh :p
12:24.19veselulol
12:24.24veselubrb
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12:24.33Arthas-roommates computer kept freezing w bs
12:25.06Arthas-2 faulty memory addresses on 28 passes so that aint it.... then I realized all his air intakes were clogged, hopefully that were the problem
12:25.28Sixenvjeux, done :D
12:25.31SixenUploading now.
12:25.33vjeuxhmm
12:25.45vjeuxdon't you want to add the AIFilterPathable before?
12:25.49SixenHrm
12:25.52Sixen5:30am
12:25.53Sixen:|
12:26.08Arthas-O_o
12:26.13vjeuxlol :p
12:26.18Arthas-thats what happens when ppl like us moves from home
12:26.29Arthas-we become nightwalkers
12:26.37Arthas-*dramatic music plays*
12:27.00ScytheBlade1lol
12:27.13ScytheBlade1Watching this SC2Mapster TD.avi on youtube in 720
12:27.21ScytheBlade1I tried to click on the colossus to see the HP -.-
12:27.42SixenRofl
12:28.27vjeuxxD
12:28.48ScytheBlade1stupid HD quality movies
12:28.56Arthas-:D
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12:29.52vjeuxveselu: dunno if you have time but that would be really awesome to add "coins" drop off units in the TD
12:30.14vjeuxthis way we could start working on a more lengthy TD
12:30.55veseluwell I would do that but I'm still getting to know galaxy and what I need to edit to get what I want :D
12:31.10vjeuxok :p
12:31.20veseluI need to make a clear image about those
12:31.33veselubtw I've added a common library
12:31.53vjeuxhttp://vimeo.com/10498065
12:31.59vjeuxless ugly in vimeo
12:32.02veseluthat I hope will help people with certain steps
12:32.16Sixenuploaded 1.1
12:32.31vjeuxhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4sD7a7gEeYo&feature=player_embedded
12:32.38vjeuxhmm, has just been processed by youtube 720p
12:32.42Sixenk gotta go to sleep
12:32.42Sixen..
12:32.44SixenNight guys.
12:32.45vjeuxnight Sixen
12:32.50ScytheBlade1lol
12:32.52ScytheBlade1I just woke up!
12:33.06veselunice Vjeux
12:41.56ScytheBlade1lol @ comments on http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0E-8JMMv2Q&feature=related
12:42.00ScytheBlade1"I put a battle cruiser in your battle cruiser so you can own while you own
12:42.03ScytheBlade1"
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12:44.51vjeuxlol
12:48.36veseluhave you seen this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5fE3Xu4xZs&feature=related
12:48.39veselu?
12:48.59ScytheBlade1yes
12:49.01ScytheBlade1*yes
12:49.22vjeuxyeah that's crazy :p
12:51.33veseluis it a modification or just a bug ?
12:51.58ScytheBlade1mod
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13:01.07veselusee you later
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13:08.02Remy_so a return statement can occur anywhere in a function body right?
13:08.07vjeuxyep
13:08.32vjeuxbut there must be nothing after the return (in the block)
13:08.53vjeux{ return; something(); } -> unreachable code
13:28.30Witchsong3ds Max has two plugins for Collada. OpenCOLLADA and Autodesk Collada. No wonder it wouldn't read my files properly, it used the latter one, which sucks. :P
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14:16.43zeertiello mates
14:19.57vjeuxhey
14:20.37zeertihows it going?
14:20.55vjeuxfine
14:20.59zeertiI'm frustrated because corprate is coming in so I have to be very good.
14:21.13vjeuxhttp://forums.sc2mapster.com/development/map-development/259-how-to-giving-resources/
14:21.19vjeuxohh ... have fun :)
14:21.49zeertiyou guys figured out how to give resources?!
14:21.49Arthas-corprate?
14:21.50zeerti:D
14:21.58zeertiCorporate*
14:21.59Arthas-youre getting drafted?
14:22.07Arthas-oh wait
14:22.08Arthas-your at work
14:22.09Arthas-?
14:22.12zeertiyeah lol
14:22.33Arthas-yeaaaaah
14:22.41Arthas-the trick those days is to pick a place where they never visit
14:22.52zeertihave guys coming from high up
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14:22.57Arthas-then i can eat while talking to the customers in a fucked up position w ma feet on the monitor anyway
14:22.58Arthas-:D
14:23.16zeertihaha
14:23.50zeertiI've had only 2 hours max of sleep
14:23.54vjeuxlol
14:23.57zeertiand too many beers.
14:24.00zeerti:P
14:24.03vjeuxget to the bathroom
14:24.36Arthas-zeerti protip while at work, challenge a friend, get to one bathroom each (next to the other) and do your thing
14:24.39Arthas-the one who cums first wins
14:24.50zeertilol!
14:24.54Arthas-true story although i wasnt one of the fucks in the bathroom
14:25.08zeertithat is really weird because there all 35
14:25.11zeertior older
14:25.13zeertiand im 20
14:25.18Arthas-other stuff you can do i take a drunk colleague in to the building (while no boss ofc) and put him on your place
14:25.36zeertirofl I wish I could.
14:25.39vjeuxArthas- you are full of good advise :p
14:25.42Arthas-I expected him to puke or something since he was more or less fallling asleep
14:25.45zeertiI can't bring anyone into where I work
14:25.47Arthas-but the fucker nailed it
14:25.52Arthas-vjeux I know!
14:25.54zeertiSecurity clearances =/
14:26.04Arthas-yeah, well this was a colleague
14:26.08Arthas-and we more or less ignored stuff like that
14:26.13zeertihaha.
14:26.17Arthas-ffs
14:26.46Arthas-hmm
14:27.23Arthas-im actually about to leave, but if you are having a boring day at work, feel free to ask me for ideas on how to improve the boring situation!
14:27.30vjeuxxD
14:27.49Arthas-oh
14:27.50Arthas-btw
14:27.52zeertiI usually just watch disney movies.
14:27.53Arthas-another one
14:28.08zeertiplease do go on
14:28.16Arthas-call your own office to the support and act as a really angry customer
14:28.23Arthas-one of my supervisors did that to a new guy
14:28.30zeertiLOL!
14:28.32Arthas-he was in shock :D
14:28.53Arthas-and i was off the phone for 15 minutes w difficulties to breath - needless to say :p
14:29.10zeertishame we don't have any new people
14:29.42zeertifuuuu sleepy is taking over
14:31.05Arthas-ah well really have to run, bbl
14:31.44vjeuxcya
14:32.51zeertivjeux if I don't have sc2 installed will I still be able to dick with custom maps?
14:33.20vjeuxyou can edit them but not launch them :p
14:35.47zeertijust XML edit them?
14:38.19vjeuxpretty much u=yeah
14:38.28vjeuxyou won't get really far :p
14:38.56Arthas-UBERLISK!
14:38.58Arthas-:p
14:39.03Arthas-right I was leaving 5 mins ago
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15:03.09zeertiwith the editor the way it is can we make "Uberlisks"?
15:06.55zeertianyone?
15:12.03vjeux|awaynot possile
15:12.06vjeux|awaypossible
15:12.32zeertihmm... is it possible through triggering?
15:12.51zeertiThey did say it would be rather simple to get it to work with their editor
15:12.56vjeux|awayyou can do it editing the xml files
15:13.37zeertiso I would be able to attach units to another unit?
15:15.44vjeux|awaydunno
15:15.50vjeux|awaybut probably
15:15.57vjeux|awayif there's already a unit that deos it
15:16.22zeertithere most likely isn't.
15:16.46zeertii've started to notice that XML editing is restricted to what already exists.
15:21.05vjeux|awayyup
15:21.39zeertinow is it possible (assuming you know the correct syntax) to add in coding that exists, but isn't to be found in the XML?
15:25.11vjeux|awaydepend what you want to do
15:26.05vjeux|awayhmm
15:26.19vjeux|awayI don't think that they added logic for things they don't use in the xml :p
15:29.21zeertifudge.
15:29.43zeertimakes me sad lol
15:30.12zeertivjeux what is the filepath to a unit?
15:32.41vjeux|awaywhat you mean?
15:33.32zeertibefore I explain, do you have to install sc2 in order to find all the XML's? or can I search the base MPQ files for everything?
15:34.10vjeux|awayyou can get them in the base.mpq
15:34.39zeertiwhich one has the units in it?
15:35.24vjeux|awayUnitData.xml :p
15:35.47zeerti:P i mean like, where did you find htat xml?
15:35.50zeertiwhich mpq?
15:36.09vjeux|awaybut there is all the logic stored in BehaviorData.xml, EffectData.xml and AbilData.xml
15:36.15vjeux|awaysomething .sc2data
15:36.19vjeux|awaybase.sc2data
15:36.27vjeux|awayor .sc2asset
15:36.30vjeux|awaydon't remember
15:36.34zeertimmk
15:36.36zeerti1 sec
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15:38.03zeertigo figure I forget my flash drive at home today -.-
15:39.33zeertii'm assuming sc2mapster has all those xml files online?
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15:42.49vjeux|awayno
15:43.40zeertithink you could post it up there or onto a pastebin I can look around it here at work?
15:43.52zeertiyou'd be my hero haha.
15:51.08vjeux|awayhttp://www.fooo.fr/~vjeux/curse/sc2/helloworld/XML_and_Galaxy.rar
16:10.17zeertii've yet to figure out why  rar files require some 3rd party program to open since veryone uses them.
16:12.12Corosuslicenscing?
16:12.12ScytheBlade1that is easy to answer
16:12.14ScytheBlade1The license.
16:12.28zeertiis that what it is?
16:12.32zeertiIt just frustrates me.
16:12.51ScytheBlade1The license says it is pretty simple terms
16:12.53Corosusyeah its not legal to use its command line functionality your program if you try to sell it etc etc
16:13.05ScytheBlade1You can write a program that extracts only
16:13.20ScytheBlade1All creation functions should remain with us and us alone
16:13.29ScytheBlade1Neither RAR binary code, WinRAR binary code, UnRAR source or UnRAR binary code may be used or reverse engineered to re-create the RAR compression algorithm, which is proprietary, without written permission of the author.
16:13.52ScytheBlade1decompress? sure
16:13.56ScytheBlade1compress? no
16:14.05zeertiah
16:14.32ScytheBlade17zip, conversely, does it all
16:14.34ScytheBlade1And is entirely open source
16:14.46zeertican you link me to 7zip?
16:15.01ScytheBlade1http://www.7-zip.org/
16:15.04zeertity
16:15.07ScytheBlade1Packing / unpacking: 7z, ZIP, GZIP, BZIP2 and TAR
16:15.07ScytheBlade1Unpacking only: ARJ, CAB, CHM, CPIO, DEB, DMG, HFS, ISO, LZH, LZMA, MSI, NSIS, RAR, RPM, UDF, WIM, XAR and Z.
16:17.33Fiskeri was like "What's the point in an archive you can't pack"
16:17.36Fiskerthen i was like "ooooooooooooh"
16:19.21ScytheBlade1what is the point? annoyance and frustration
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16:20.41FiskerI was thinking like an archive you couldn't pack
16:20.49vjeuxhey KevinDLee
16:20.50Fiskerwhich of course wouldn't be possible to make if you couldn't pack it
16:20.51KevinDLeeOkay, today is the day I force myself to bed at the lastest 12pm est
16:20.52Fiskeri.e. mindfuck
16:21.48ScytheBlade1lol
16:23.46vjeuxhttp://sc2.nibbits.com/forums/15/view/435/galaxy-syntax-validator
16:23.53vjeuxhe does not even write lapin in the post ...
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16:27.11Bifuumorning
16:28.40vjeuxhey
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16:29.54Shakiheya
16:33.12BifuuYo Shaki
16:33.19BifuuAnd Nice Tut vjeux
16:33.24vjeuxthanks
16:33.38vjeuxBifuu: look at the resource
16:33.44vjeuxhow to give resource
16:33.45vjeuxon the forum
16:33.49Bifuuyeah thats what im talking abou =P
16:34.13Bifuuthe tut map is also great, came in handy for me last night
16:35.02Bifuume and Corbo were trying to find the unit cap and we played some games over Bnet and spawned tons of overlords but our math never worked right
16:35.30Bifuuso i just wrote some galaxy to count for me lol
16:35.45vjeuxUnitGroupCount(UnitGroupAllUnits(), 0)
16:35.45vjeuxgg
16:36.05Bifuuhaha exactly what i did
16:36.41Bifuui had to peak at your TD too to get it to display, kinda lame you have to cast from int to string =/
16:37.02vjeuxdi( <integer> )
16:37.45Bifuuthats all you need? damn i used IntToString
16:38.04vjeuxwell, void di(int i) { d(IntToString(i); }
16:38.04vjeuxxD
16:38.25Bifuuoh lol
16:39.02Bifuudoes Galaxy support Constructors?
16:39.58vjeuxno
16:40.14Bifuupoo
16:40.21vjeuxhttp://www.sc2mapster.com/assets/debug-utilities/
16:40.24vjeuxif you want to debug
16:40.32Bifuuwas just ganna write a good ol ToString function lol
16:40.41vjeuxhttp://www.sc2mapster.com/api-docs/galaxy-language/structs/
16:40.45vjeuxwant a constructor
16:42.12vjeuxwow, owned
16:42.12ckknightyea, the best thing we can do with constructors, imo, is to "initialize" an already-existing object
16:42.12ckknightso Type_Initialize(&thing, someArg);
16:43.01ScytheBlade1as someone who has done zero galaxy scripting... pointers? seriously?
16:43.01ScytheBlade1wow.
16:43.01Bifuulol
16:43.01Bifuuthats what i said =P
16:43.51vjeuxwell, pointers without dynamic allocation is pretty much useless :p
16:44.05ckknighteh, not totally, vjeux
16:44.13ckknightmostly useless, yes.
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16:44.33Bifuubut yeah, who needs Constructors?! string ToString(int i, fixed f, bool b, point p, order o, unit u, int p)!
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16:45.41Bifuui hope one of Blizz's Example maps uses pointers
16:45.41Bifuuid like to see why they even made pointers in galaxy
16:46.02ckknightbecause you can't pass complex types by value
16:46.32BifuuBut what map could ever require complex shit like that
16:47.57BifuuUnless someone is trying to script a computer in a map just for the lol factor
16:52.44Bifuubrb
16:55.27zeertibifuu what kind of complexity does pointers allow?
16:55.54vjeuxa map can be anything
16:55.54vjeuxwhy restrict the possibilities?
16:55.54vjeuxthey already did badly using galaxy
16:55.55vjeuxexample: you want to sort some data, you want to have pointers!
16:55.55vjeuxand sorting data is a really basic thing
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16:55.55vjeuxit's going to be really hard to achieve without void* and templates
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16:55.57Shakiso
16:55.57Shakihows it going?
16:55.58ScytheBlade1services are breaking :/
16:55.58Shakio-o
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16:57.40zeertioh shit lol
16:57.40Shakiwow
16:57.40Shakithat must be annoying
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16:57.50zeertipeople getting teh d/c
16:58.15ckknightnetsplits are lame
16:58.23zeertiaye
16:58.23Shaki^^
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16:59.45zeertiwow this is going to get annoying fast :)
16:59.45vjeux:)
17:00.07ShakiMaybe its trying to muderer you.
17:00.17Shakierm
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17:01.39zeertiredrum!
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17:14.29Shaki2slaps Shaki around a bit with a large trout
17:14.44Shaki2can someone kick the 2nd me?
17:14.48Shaki2its all like
17:14.55Shaki2because of the net thing
17:15.47Bifuulol
17:15.47Bifuu<PROTECTED>
17:15.53Shaki2well that worked
17:15.53Shaki2lol
17:15.59Shaki^^
17:17.57KevinDLeewas that why I was hearing odd beeps and bops from my comp when playing SC2? lol
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17:23.54zeertiso who here can explain how a DDoS attack works.
17:23.55zeerti:)
17:25.06vjeuxyou take 1000 computer, you connect all them at the same time to a website
17:25.08vjeuxhe dies
17:25.09vjeuxgg
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18:05.15KevinDLeeI remember people did that attack to Darkfall's website (it's an mmo)
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18:11.44vjeuxhey xcorbo
18:18.31RepoNew map: http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/desert-strike/. Desert Strike. Johnboy8078 (Manager/Author). Experimental. Approved by vjeux.
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18:23.46Remy_so eh prototypes always have the native keyword in front right?
18:29.27RepoNew announcement: http://www.sc2mapster.com/announcements/mapster-news/
18:30.15vjeuxdon't know what's the native thing
18:30.27vjeuxonly the AI functions have prototypes
18:32.04vjeuxRemy_
18:32.14Remy_ok
18:35.05vjeuxyou didn't answer me, how do you set up the first file with your preproc
18:35.21vjeuxI want to set multiple source folders and one entry point
18:36.07vjeux1 folder for the game files, 1 folder for my files and 1 file being the entry point that include all the others
18:36.45nicoli_sgood job on the spawning stuff vjeux
18:36.49nicoli_svery cool :)
18:36.52vjeuxthanks
18:39.46vjeuxI really want more people to start working on galaxy projects
18:40.07nicoli_sim still working on mine
18:40.17nicoli_si got side tracked trying to make items and loot work
18:40.38vjeuxitems?
18:40.43nicoli_slike in wc3
18:40.45nicoli_sfor heros
18:40.53vjeuxare there items in the game
18:40.54vjeux?
18:40.56vjeuxsc2
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18:41.48nicoli_swell its possible to make them
18:42.03nicoli_swe havent seen any examples, but i was just playing around with the data foumr on the core xmls
18:42.54nicoli_stoday ill have to look into how to make an ai build a certain number of certain units
18:43.07vjeuxAITrain works really well and easily
18:43.28nicoli_smmk
18:43.35nicoli_sis tat documented on the wiki?
18:43.37vjeux<PROTECTED>
18:43.37vjeux<PROTECTED>
18:43.41vjeuxnot yet
18:43.44nicoli_smmk
18:43.50vjeuxjust set the build time in the AbilDAta.xml to 0
18:43.59vjeuxand it will create the unit instant
18:44.59vjeuxafter you create an attack order
18:45.05vjeuxand you apply it on all the units create
18:45.16vjeuxlook at the TD, all useful functions are defined
18:45.43nicoli_smmk
18:45.59vjeux<PROTECTED>
18:46.10nicoli_soh and i finally found out why the editor couldnt launch yer map right
18:46.17vjeuxoh
18:46.19vjeuxwhat's up?
18:46.30nicoli_sit was because you didnt have the gamedata xmls in the map that you need to overwrite
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18:46.47vjeuxok :p
18:46.50nicoli_sand, the editor didnt handle behaviordata, so it wouldnt overwrite it
18:47.05vjeuxdid you write the launcher feature of the editor? or using a 3rd party launcher
18:47.11nicoli_sstill using LL
18:47.23nicoli_sdont want to have any code that modifies the game's memory in MWE
18:47.36vjeuxwould be nice to have the ability to load a game with alliance set up
18:47.55nicoli_smmk, i can add that in
18:48.06vjeuxwell, i'm not sure that LL does it
18:48.22nicoli_sbut yeah, in the future, any files you want created blank in the patch, put them in the map or the editor wont know to generate the blank ones
18:48.30nicoli_swell one of the loades can do it
18:48.36nicoli_sbut they o it really hackily
18:48.49vjeuxwell, they update the game memory
18:48.57vjeuxbut I don't think there's a proper way to do i
18:48.58vjeuxt
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18:50.35nicoli_syeah, unfortunately :(
18:51.01nicoli_swhich makes me wonder if its not in the mapinfo, we havent discovered it in the mapinfo, or if its just now in the code that runs the game the way its used
18:51.33vjeuxin war3 we could set it in the map and override it in game
18:51.42vjeuxthere must be a way to put default values
18:52.01vjeuxthat would be strange if we could not edit it in the editor
18:53.52zeerti<AcquirePrioritization value="ByAngle" />
18:53.53zeertiif you changed it to "ByUnit" would that work?
18:54.55vjeuxtest it :p
18:55.01zeertiI can't right now
18:55.08zeertithat's the issue :P
18:55.18zeertithat and I'm not entirely sure how to test it.
18:55.24vjeuxByDistance
18:55.30vjeuxhttp://www.fooo.fr/~vjeux/curse/sc2/sc2_strings.html
18:55.37vjeuxsearch for a term and look those around
18:55.43zeertik
18:55.53vjeuxByDistanceFromTarget
18:57.09zeertivjeux are all of those really different arrays?!
18:57.20vjeuxwhat?
18:57.24zeertihttp://www.fooo.fr/~vjeux/curse/sc2/sc2_strings.html
18:57.45vjeuxthat's all [a-zA-Z0-9]{3,} strings in sc2.exe
18:57.52zeertierr strings*
18:57.52zeertilol
18:57.59zeertithats a ton
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18:58.11vjeuxsc2 is not a gay game
18:58.28Computerpunk_Yet_.
18:58.31zeertilol I like this string
18:58.32Computerpunk=D
18:58.42zeerti[16894] => ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ
18:59.22ComputerpunkRofl.
18:59.30vjeuxnicoli_s: is the guy working on the replay format still active
19:00.26zeertivjeux: => hkpStiffSpringChainDataConstraintInfo
19:00.26zeerti<PROTECTED>
19:00.39nicoli_syes vjeux
19:00.40vjeuxhow do I know
19:00.42vjeuxok
19:01.00vjeuxdoes he manage to parse interesting things yet?
19:01.12nicoli_sso vjeux: has a decent way to dynamically spawn units been come up with yet?
19:01.34Shirikyou know zeerti, most people that run "strings" programs include spaces as part of a string
19:01.38Shirikthat way you get phrases instead of words
19:01.39vjeuxyep, just use AITrain
19:01.49vjeuxanyway in the map is trickier
19:02.03Shirikthe whole "This program cannot run in dos mode" at the top broken up is kinda wierd
19:02.11vjeuxyou can move a unit ultra fast (about 4s to cross the whole map)
19:02.15vjeuxand then make it spawn units
19:02.22zeertiShirik: I have no idea what that meant lol. How do you use "strings" to program?
19:02.32Shirikstrings is a program
19:02.51Shirikhttp://linux.die.net/man/1/strings
19:02.52zeertiderp I feel dumb because now it makes sense.
19:03.14vjeuxI haven't find way to chain orders yet (not really searched too)
19:03.42zeertiso I ugess my question is how would I make a command using strings for sc2?
19:03.47zeertijust something basic
19:03.53vjeuxbut since units can have multiple orders, i'm pretty confident this is possible
19:04.24vjeuxwhy do you want to do that zeerti, all the strings arlready available in the page i linked you
19:05.00zeertiI guess i'm a little lost on strings in general.
19:05.39vjeux$sc2 = file_get_contents("C:\Program Files\StarCraft II Beta\Versions\Base14133\SC2.exe");
19:05.39vjeuxpreg_match_all('`[a-zA-Z0-9]{3,}`', $sc2, $out);
19:05.44vjeuxprint_r($out[0]);
19:05.46vjeuxhere you go in php
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19:07.27nicoli_svjeux: what about using the same effect behind the warp gate upgrade?
19:07.39vjeuxfor what?
19:09.10vjeuxnicoli_s:
19:09.24nicoli_sfor being able to spawn units anywhere on the map
19:09.51vjeuxwhat does the warp gate upgrade do?
19:09.53nicoli_slike if we made a building that could build any unit, and it had the ability to warp the units in, but remove the range
19:09.54vjeuxkind of teleport?
19:10.00nicoli_sit allows you to teleport units in in range
19:10.04vjeuxI see
19:10.07vjeuxyeah maybe
19:10.28vjeuxwhat's the name of the ability
19:11.03nicoli_slemme check
19:22.18vjeuxhttp://www.wc3c.net/showthread.php?t=109187
19:22.30vjeuxcan't get if he managed to make heroes or not
19:24.40zeertivjeux can you give units pylon power?
19:24.47zeertilike a permenant one?
19:24.57zeertiI've been trying to figure out how to do that.
19:25.25vjeuxyeah
19:25.42zeertiwould I just use the one ability, but make it so its not a button?
19:25.53vjeux<PROTECTED>
19:26.04vjeuxadd that to the UnitData.mxl
19:26.13zeertixml*
19:26.16zeertialright
19:28.31nicoli_svjeux: i have already made a hero
19:28.47zeertihows it work?
19:29.09nicoli_sit just adds an icon that you can select it with, it doesnt imediately enable the inventroy screen or anything like that
19:29.15vjeuxnice
19:29.20vjeuxwhat file did you edit?
19:29.27nicoli_sunitdata.xml
19:29.30nicoli_sthe editor can do it
19:29.33nicoli_sits in the flags
19:29.42vjeuxwhat's the name of the flag?
19:29.46nicoli_sHero
19:29.57vjeuxhow did you find it
19:30.02vjeuxthere's no use of hero flag atm
19:30.10nicoli_sits in the core xml files
19:30.16vjeuxI see
19:30.23nicoli_sthey have default values and things like that
19:30.35zeertidoes your hero level up?
19:31.15nicoli_shavent tried killing anything with it
19:31.31zeertishould it theoretically?
19:32.06nicoli_si guess so
19:32.34vjeuxHero is just a small icon on the bottom right
19:32.40vjeuxhave no level or anything
19:32.43vjeuxas far as i can tell
19:33.06nicoli_sdamn
19:33.22nicoli_swarpgate is the name of the upgrade btw
19:33.26nicoli_sand im off, gotta eat, later
19:33.46vjeuxok
19:50.02Sixenrawr
19:53.32vjeuxrawr
19:53.40vjeuxwhere's my @!
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20:00.31zeertiwhats up Sixen
20:01.51Sixenhai2u zeerti
20:04.42vjeuxnight everyone
20:04.48vjeuxlet the sc2mapster power be with you
20:07.06Sixennight :p
20:07.18zeertiI'm so frustrated
20:07.21Remy_I got the type checker partly working now
20:07.33Remy_still need it to find all the native functions
20:07.40Remy_now it reports "not in scope" for most natives
20:07.41zeertibecause I can't do any editing here at work. at least I can't check if it worked.
20:07.53Remy_cya vjeux
20:09.57Remy_so lapin_sc what's your method for quickly knowing all the native types and such?
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20:21.16Remy_Hey astazha_
20:21.24Astazha_Hey Remy, how are you?
20:21.29Remy_well
20:21.32Remy_hmm
20:21.39Remy_girlfriend sleeping on the coach here
20:21.43Remy_working on the typechecker
20:21.45Remy_school tomorrow
20:21.53Remy_mom can't find my dad
20:22.03Astazha_That all sounds pretty good except for the missing Dad bit ; )
20:22.10Remy_Btw I tested my compiler on your files
20:22.11Remy_works now
20:22.16Remy_but lapin's is better atm I think
20:22.16Astazha_sweet, thank you
20:22.19Remy_still try mine ; )
20:22.24Astazha_I will
20:22.25Remy_cause I'm adding new features soon
20:22.32Astazha_and yeah, I'm liking Lapin's for the multi-file thing & all that
20:22.40Remy_okay
20:22.43Remy_I have a directory compile
20:22.50Astazha_yours has the precompiler thing going on, which is awesome, but I'm not using that yet.
20:22.52Remy_that takes a whole directory and reports errors for all the galaxy files
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20:22.55Astazha_Oh sweet, I didn't know that.
20:23.01Remy_it's new
20:23.18Remy_just run it without arguments on the command line and it'll output a usage help
20:23.39Astazha_Very cool.  I'm still unborking my computer from when it got razed by viruses so it'll be a bit before I'm fully back into this.
20:23.44Remy_ah
20:23.51Remy_that's why you went missing so long!
20:23.52Astazha_Trying to learn how to set up VM's on Linux, etc.
20:24.05Astazha_USB is giving me grief, and I'm a total Linux noob so...
20:24.10Remy_hm
20:24.17Remy_don't like linux
20:24.21Remy_no nice graphical tools
20:24.37Astazha_I dunno, I just installed the latest Ubuntu and I'm pretty happy with it so far
20:24.41Remy_okay
20:25.02Remy_well many people like it
20:25.07Astazha_the calculator is sweet.  Has a programming option where it shows what you're typing in binary with a bit-map
20:25.28Remy_that's a big pro
20:25.30Remy_I'll take it
20:25.47Astazha_Plus, if I can get the VM working I'll be able to run Windows too, and to be able to restore to a working version if it gets borked
20:25.54Remy_so what text editor do you use on linux?
20:26.06Remy_cause I use notepad++ here and there's no good linux replacement
20:26.11Astazha_I don't know yet.  I really liked Notepad Plus Plus on Windows
20:26.16Astazha_yeah
20:26.18Remy_LOL
20:26.23Astazha_Well, you could run it under VM
20:26.29ZoxcWINE*
20:26.35Remy_well you have vim and emacs but I think it takes time before you learn to use those
20:26.43Remy_and they use the command line a lot too (I THINK)
20:26.59Remy_you can boost gedit with plugins but it never gets as awesome as notepad++
20:27.14Remy_and run notepad++ with wine but its a little buggy and ugly
20:27.52Astazha_Mmm... yeah, I'm reading a tutorial now to try to learn more about how Linux works other than what I can get to from Gnome
20:27.55Zoxcuse kate then
20:28.28Astazha_My gf is begging for some Super Mario Bros Wii time so I'll be going afk in a few
20:28.37Astazha_Just wanted to come say hi since I'd vanished for a few days
20:28.42zeertiI'm jealous Astazha
20:29.01zeertiWii, wii + girl, girl isn't mad at you. :P
20:29.06Astazha_zeerti: I'm pretty lucky ; )
20:29.26zeertiI have a wii, I have a girl, but shes pissed off at me.
20:29.41Astazha_She's really laid back.  I get up in the middle of the night to program SC2 sometimes and she doesn't even get upset unless I'm not in bed when she wakes up in the a.m.
20:30.09zeertihaha, I'm trying to move out and get her to move in with me.
20:30.29Astazha_good luck with it, before and after the move ; )
20:30.46Remy_lol
20:30.54Remy_Stephanie likes arts
20:31.11Remy_she's doing a major in conservation sciences
20:31.31Remy_but I can talk about programming a bit :P
20:31.35Remy_she doesn't mind too much
20:31.46Astazha_Oh, I meant to ask.  Didn't someone put up a list of text strings that were found in the executable somewhere?  I wanted to look for some of the missing strings, like the upgrade to Roach Speed when burrowed, or I think the Void Ray speed upgrade
20:32.00Astazha_hd on DarkBlizz was asking about them
20:32.01zeertihttp://www.fooo.fr/~vjeux/curse/sc2/sc2_strings.html
20:32.51Sixenbrb
20:33.49Astazha_hmmm, must be somewhere else
20:33.56Astazha_I'll check the XML later
20:34.00zeertiastazha
20:34.07Astazha_Yes?
20:34.11zeertiisn't that link I just posted what you were looking for?
20:34.24Astazha_It is, but the string I'm looking for isn't in there.
20:34.31zeertiohhh
20:34.32zeertigotcha
20:34.40zeertithought you were just looking for a list of them lol.
20:36.03Astazha_Sixen: I lol'd earlier.  I was on another modding website forum and I saw where you posted about finding .pngs in the .exe when opening it as an .mpq and someone told you you obviously had no idea what you were doing.
20:36.08Astazha_Ah, nerdrage...
20:37.29Astazha_k, it's mario time.  Later!
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21:46.27zeertiI was looking through the abildata.xml and I found the following flags that I was wondering if anyone else understood them
21:46.28zeerti<Flags index="BestUnit" value="1" />
21:46.29zeerti<PROTECTED>
21:47.19NexuapexWhat abilities are they on?
21:48.31Arthas-awaya lil random it seems :p
21:48.36Arthas-awayhallucinationarchon
21:48.43Arthas-awaycollosus
21:48.47Arthas-awayplaneteryfortress
21:48.49ScytheBlade1ckknight: btw, that was a very quick nydus last night
21:48.51Arthas-awayI think it might be for the ai
21:49.14NexuapexI'll bet they're the only types of hallucination that the AI uses
21:49.24Arthas-awayyeah
21:49.29Arthas-awaythey are also on banelings for example
21:49.39Arthas-awayupgradetolair
21:49.46Arthas-awayso prolly stuff the computer will put priority on
21:49.57Arthas-awayjust a guess but hey, at least it sounds somewhat plausible
21:50.13ckknightScytheBlade1: oh, when we played with protagonist?
21:50.17ScytheBlade1yeah
21:50.23ckknightyea
21:50.33ckknighthydras + nydus is a pretty workable tactic
21:50.44ScytheBlade1I meant the time from game start to you building a nydus in our base
21:50.48ScytheBlade1That was impressive
21:50.59ckknightyea
21:51.08Arthas-ckk has maphacks! :O
21:51.14ckknightlol, no
21:51.19Arthas-:p
21:51.37Arthas-where the hell is all euros i wanna play 2on2
21:51.44ScytheBlade1sleeping
21:51.46Arthas-ws should get euro key asap! ;p
21:51.52Arthas-pfft, its just 23:51
21:52.35Arthas-Sleep is an illusion that appears when there is too much blood in the caffeine circulation
21:52.41Arthas-fact!
22:04.34Nexuapex<3 the last thor pissed quote.
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22:06.44Genopathhey guys
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22:06.57Genopathany mods around here?
22:08.29ScytheBlade1er. huh?
22:08.41ScytheBlade1as in moderators, or game mods?
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22:12.23KevinDLeeThey will likely reply soon, they like a lot of us just keep this open and loomk at it every now and then
22:13.19SixenWhat's u,p, Genopath?
22:35.35Fiskerwhat's "u,p"?
22:40.09WitchsongSup?
22:45.50RepoNew knowledge base page: http://www.sc2mapster.com/api-docs/game-files/models/sequence/ by witchsong
22:46.58ckknighthmm?
22:47.21Fisker ?
22:51.23RepoKnowledge base page update: http://www.sc2mapster.com/api-docs/game-files/models/sequence/ by witchsong
22:52.24RepoKnowledge base page update: http://www.sc2mapster.com/api-docs/game-files/models/sequence/ by witchsong
22:52.37WitchsongThat's it for tonight. Gonna write a big-ass explanation on the sequences tomorrow.
22:52.57nicoli_snice
22:53.04WitchsongNeed a proper explanation written down so I don't confuse myself. :P
22:53.06nicoli_shaving any success with yer collada exporter?
22:53.30WitchsongAt the moment I can export vertices, normals, tex tangents, tex coords, faces and geosets to Collada.
22:53.41nicoli_snice
22:54.00WitchsongSeeing I'm new to the format, I need a bit more time to just sort out how the bones and materials work, before I can export that.
22:54.04WitchsongBut shouldn't be a problem.
22:55.00WitchsongTex tangents can be used for proper normal mapping (rather than just bump mapping) assuming I'm correct on them being tangents. :p
22:55.23WitchsongBut good night for now! :)
23:17.53nicoli_sgot in the gamestrings editor to MWE
23:19.11Arthas-nicoli_s when is update coming, I wanna see if it works :D
23:19.18Arthas-also, semiafk ingame at the same time
23:21.11SixenNic, is it opening maps for you?
23:26.33nicoli_sof course
23:27.14nicoli_sif it wasn,t id fix it
23:28.02nicoli_sim just about to add in logging
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23:36.38Ignorancesup
23:36.54nicoli_swelcome
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23:37.45Jack[RCDFOhai
23:40.27Ignorancelol the readme in the tutorial
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23:48.42nicoli_sok, got logging in the editor, which you can configre the log level via the settings.txt
23:50.06SixenWhat does it log?
23:50.15nicoli_swhatever you want it to
23:50.20Sixenlol
23:50.42nicoli_si mean thats what a logger is, it just writes messages to a file
23:53.38nicoli_sand all errors should be logged to
23:53.48nicoli_sso eventually we'll be able to do some automatic error reporting if we wish
23:55.08Arthas-do it!
23:55.08Arthas-:p
23:55.57Arthas-time to play some torchlight
23:59.39Repo10milkywayedit: 03sanktanglia * r39 Tools/SC2MapEditor/SC2MapEditor (7 files in 1 directory): added gamestrings manager
23:59.41Repoadded logger that can read log level from settings.txt
23:59.42Repoadded extension method to easily log exceptions
23:59.52Arthas-is that avail for dload now?

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