| 00:01.04 | ckknight | Bifuu: wrt <<xmldoc>>, you think you need anything else? |
| 00:01.26 | Bifuu | uhhhh |
| 00:01.49 | Bifuu | i havnt came across anything yet |
| 00:02.14 | Bifuu | maybe the possibility to expand or collapse the information below the code? |
| 00:02.44 | Bifuu | because like on AbilData the page is already long and im not done yet, and ActorData is atleast 3 times bigger |
| 00:08.15 | nicoli_s | nice, you can now right click on a point on the map, and add a new unit,doodad, or point to that spot |
| 00:08.49 | ckknight | hmm |
| 00:08.54 | ckknight | okay, I'll keep it in mind |
| 00:10.36 | Bifuu | In MWE nic? O.o |
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| 00:14.27 | FrozenFirebat | kinda died in here lol |
| 00:14.28 | nicoli_s | yep bifuu |
| 00:15.00 | Witchsong | I tried to remove some values in the vertices, and it ended up with the unit turning into a half-sphere with checker-texture. |
| 00:15.06 | nicoli_s | lol |
| 00:15.26 | Witchsong | What did I screw up then? :p |
| 00:15.34 | Bifuu | no |
| 00:15.41 | Bifuu | close your mpq editor |
| 00:15.45 | Bifuu | then play |
| 00:15.55 | Witchsong | I didn't have MPQ editor open. |
| 00:15.59 | Bifuu | oh |
| 00:16.05 | Bifuu | then yeah you might have screwed up |
| 00:16.08 | Bifuu | lol |
| 00:16.19 | Witchsong | Question is, what values need to be wrong for it to cause that? |
| 00:16.38 | Witchsong | I recall someone experiencing that when editing the .dds files. |
| 00:16.45 | Bifuu | http://i41.tinypic.com/23lectf.jpg like that? |
| 00:17.05 | Witchsong | Yes, just that it only affected the one unit I changed. |
| 00:17.10 | Bifuu | oh |
| 00:17.24 | Bifuu | (that was a ladder game i played lol didnt work out too well) |
| 00:17.26 | Bifuu | uhh well |
| 00:17.38 | Bifuu | The sphere is a test model |
| 00:17.50 | Bifuu | i think it only gets called when the model its calling isnt found |
| 00:17.54 | Bifuu | so id check that |
| 00:18.10 | Witchsong | Well, it's found. I put it in the MPQ file. |
| 00:18.30 | Bifuu | hmm |
| 00:18.38 | nicoli_s | why put it in the mpq file when you can just put it in the directory? |
| 00:18.42 | Bifuu | not really an art guy so i dont know much about this issue |
| 00:18.48 | Witchsong | Didn't work to put it in the directory. |
| 00:19.18 | Bifuu | are you replacing another model or adding a new one? i think i heard somewhere you cant add anything yet |
| 00:19.46 | Witchsong | I'm just messing with the files and look at the changes in the game. |
| 00:20.00 | Witchsong | What I did was remove a field in every vertex entry. |
| 00:20.13 | Witchsong | Because I'm trying to figure out what a flag does. :p |
| 00:20.18 | Bifuu | ah |
| 00:20.26 | Bifuu | well maybe you cant do that xD |
| 00:20.34 | Bifuu | i dunno ill shut up im not really contributing |
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| 00:23.50 | Bifuu | brb |
| 00:25.06 | nicoli_s | Witchsong: it should read model files from the directory, try using process monitor to see if it reads that file |
| 00:26.11 | Witchsong | Well, it works to just put them in the MPQ. |
| 00:33.14 | Witchsong | But I got no idea what the flag does. |
| 00:33.52 | Witchsong | When it's disabled, the model gets totally messed up. |
| 00:34.12 | nicoli_s | well then we know to set it :P |
| 00:34.18 | Witchsong | :P |
| 00:34.21 | nicoli_s | does it have diff values per vert? |
| 00:34.36 | Witchsong | No, it's a global model flag. |
| 00:34.51 | Witchsong | I always assumed it had to do with vertices, because the flag is not set in any models without vertices. |
| 00:34.54 | nicoli_s | ahh the one that says to use the extended vert format you mean? |
| 00:35.00 | Witchsong | Ya. |
| 00:35.37 | Witchsong | The only two bits that vary through the files are the 0x40000 and 0x20000. |
| 00:35.52 | Witchsong | 0x20000 is not set in models without vertices. |
| 00:36.12 | Witchsong | Maybe models without geometry? |
| 00:36.16 | Witchsong | Something like that? |
| 00:36.43 | Witchsong | And when it then tries to render vertices, it gets messed up? |
| 00:37.06 | nicoli_s | well ive seen models without the 0x20000 that have geometry |
| 00:37.15 | nicoli_s | burrow i think doesnt have it |
| 00:37.40 | Witchsong | 0x20000 <-- The only thing I know for certain is that only files without vertices has this flag disabled. |
| 00:38.01 | Witchsong | At least that was the result when I scanned all the files for this flag. |
| 00:38.13 | nicoli_s | hmmm |
| 00:39.25 | Witchsong | Well, I won't put too much effort into solving that one, seeing it's just to make sure it's disabled if you got vertices in the model. |
| 00:39.31 | Witchsong | it's enabled* |
| 00:39.54 | nicoli_s | so what value do you and it with to see if the model has extended vert format? |
| 00:40.20 | Witchsong | flags & 0x40000 is extended format. |
| 00:40.44 | nicoli_s | ahhh yeah thats where i was getting confused |
| 00:42.25 | Witchsong | At the moment I just set my code to write 0 to the values we don't know in the vertices, seeing that the game has no issues with that. |
| 00:43.13 | Witchsong | But, just something one should take note of - the .m2 format contained values in various of it's chunks that was apparently never used by the game itself. |
| 00:43.57 | Witchsong | So there is no guarantee that everything in the .m3 format is being used by the client, or things can be placeholder variables they don't really use for anything at the moment. |
| 00:45.03 | Witchsong | Question: Does anyone here know much about 3ds Max, and then possibly could know if there are some values Max uses that the game doesn't necessarily need? |
| 00:48.27 | Bifuu | Anyone do any work to AbilData? or did i do work in my sleep O.o i dont remember doing half of these things i find is already done lol |
| 00:48.31 | *** join/#sc2mapster Corbobo (~thecorbo@190.87.70.212) |
| 00:48.41 | Corbobo | Why am I in there |
| 00:48.48 | Corbobo | I shouldn't be in there |
| 00:48.51 | Corbobo | :C |
| 00:49.23 | Bifuu | Have 2 instances of you irc client running? lol |
| 00:50.22 | Corbobo | I don't |
| 00:50.59 | Bifuu | dunno O.o |
| 00:54.13 | Shaki | BaCk! |
| 00:54.53 | Corbo | or maybe I do |
| 00:55.00 | Corbo | btw |
| 00:55.18 | Corbo | the sphere could be because there was something wrong while rendering the model. |
| 00:55.26 | Corbo | either wrong m3 format |
| 00:55.34 | Corbo | or model shader broke it |
| 00:55.51 | Corbo | that's why it breaks for some people when they edit .dds files |
| 00:56.15 | Corbo | most likely because they also didn't add MIPs maps to their .dds |
| 00:57.04 | Shaki | sets mode: +m |
| 00:57.09 | Shaki | lol |
| 00:57.27 | Shaki | i feel so ingnored |
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| 00:58.17 | Shaki|School | why'd it set me to |school again -.- |
| 00:59.24 | Corbo | lol |
| 00:59.26 | Bifuu | wait wait wait MULEs can repair? O.o |
| 00:59.43 | Corbo | you can repair reapers! |
| 01:02.42 | Bifuu | So i can calldown a mule on a reaper?! |
| 01:04.01 | Jerub | considers calling down mules on damaged thors |
| 01:04.05 | Jerub | also, fuck i love thors |
| 01:05.12 | Corbo | UI editing should be easy |
| 01:05.24 | Corbo | there's xml files for positioning the elements. |
| 01:09.35 | Bifuu | what xml files are those in? |
| 01:09.38 | Bifuu | ill do those next |
| 01:09.50 | Corbo | no idea |
| 01:09.50 | Corbo | I just saw them somewhere |
| 01:10.18 | Corbo | also this is what I'm working on right now ;o http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/5756/screeny.png |
| 01:10.20 | Bifuu | lol |
| 01:10.38 | Bifuu | nice |
| 01:12.30 | Bifuu | Anyone have an idea what markers might be? |
| 01:12.38 | Bifuu | like |
| 01:12.38 | Bifuu | <Marker Link="Abil/Repair"> |
| 01:12.38 | Bifuu | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:12.38 | Bifuu | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:12.39 | Bifuu | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:13.10 | Corbo | repair ability? |
| 01:13.29 | Corbo | or are they literally like that? with no unit names or anything? |
| 01:14.08 | Bifuu | well its in a node for MULERepair |
| 01:14.19 | Bifuu | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:14.19 | Bifuu | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:14.19 | Bifuu | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:14.19 | Bifuu | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:14.19 | Bifuu | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:14.19 | Bifuu | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:14.20 | Bifuu | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:14.20 | Bifuu | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:14.24 | Bifuu | i cant figure out any of that |
| 01:14.33 | Bifuu | i get in the arryas those are provbably states |
| 01:14.49 | HP3 | hmm |
| 01:14.59 | HP3 | arent the gameui.sc2layout in core the interface |
| 01:15.26 | HP3 | <Frame type="CommandPanel" name="CommandPanel" template="CommandPanel/CommandPanelTemplate"> |
| 01:15.28 | HP3 | <BatchImages val="true"/> |
| 01:15.30 | HP3 | <BatchText val="true"/> |
| 01:15.32 | HP3 | <Anchor side="Bottom" relative="$parent" pos="Max" offset="-18"/> |
| 01:15.34 | HP3 | <Anchor side="Right" relative="$parent" pos="Max" offset="-21"/> |
| 01:15.36 | HP3 | <Width val="400"/> |
| 01:15.38 | HP3 | <Height val="242"/> |
| 01:15.40 | HP3 | </Frame> |
| 01:15.49 | Corbo | some are there |
| 01:15.51 | HP3 | nnscript, refuses to spam :< |
| 01:16.03 | HP3 | seems to be spread through lots of files |
| 01:16.09 | Corbo | but I remember each ui part having their own xml |
| 01:16.13 | Corbo | or maybe I'm wrong. |
| 01:16.23 | HP3 | well |
| 01:16.27 | HP3 | its pointing to a template |
| 01:17.41 | Corbo | yes |
| 01:17.47 | Corbo | each one has their own xml |
| 01:17.54 | Corbo | all of them are .sc2layout, though. |
| 01:18.36 | HP3 | yeah |
| 01:18.56 | HP3 | everything regarding layout seems to be in core.sc2mod/base.sc2data/ui/ |
| 01:19.02 | HP3 | common and layout |
| 01:19.06 | Corbo | at first glance they seem complex to edit :P |
| 01:19.07 | HP3 | lots of files to map up there |
| 01:19.15 | HP3 | yeah, I thought the same |
| 01:19.32 | HP3 | i might just look into those tomorrow |
| 01:19.45 | HP3 | after i get my exam and one assignment done :p |
| 01:19.55 | Corbo | Me too |
| 01:20.03 | Corbo | I have an exposition due to tomorrow |
| 01:20.08 | Corbo | and before it I have to make it |
| 01:20.15 | Corbo | and before it I have to make the research report :P |
| 01:20.24 | Corbo | which I am totally "doing" right now. |
| 01:20.26 | Corbo | *cough* |
| 01:20.46 | HP3 | yeah |
| 01:20.55 | HP3 | just like I did my assignment yesterday |
| 01:20.59 | HP3 | its due for 27th |
| 01:21.25 | Corbo | I had saturday |
| 01:21.26 | Corbo | friday |
| 01:21.28 | Corbo | and sunday |
| 01:21.35 | Corbo | but I was busy making the modding tutorial :P |
| 01:21.47 | HP3 | i really need to spend some time with the site |
| 01:22.00 | HP3 | is it free for all editing on pages or? |
| 01:22.02 | Corbo | what site? :P |
| 01:22.05 | HP3 | sc2mapster |
| 01:22.17 | Corbo | like on forums and stuff? |
| 01:22.23 | HP3 | wiki |
| 01:22.26 | Corbo | oh |
| 01:22.30 | Corbo | I added some stuff |
| 01:22.35 | Corbo | and my asset |
| 01:22.36 | HP3 | i guess xml doesnt go to api docs |
| 01:22.40 | Corbo | but it wasn't much |
| 01:23.21 | Corbo | anyway |
| 01:23.27 | Corbo | Ihave to go to dinner |
| 01:23.32 | HP3 | i have to sleep |
| 01:23.35 | Corbo | ;o |
| 01:23.36 | HP3 | cya tomorrow :) |
| 01:23.43 | HP3 | if you start editing page, gief url |
| 01:23.44 | Corbo | dinner + finish up the research |
| 01:23.45 | Bifuu | sleep when you're dead! |
| 01:23.45 | HP3 | in pm |
| 01:23.49 | Corbo | + probably mroe modding |
| 01:23.58 | HP3 | Bifuu I tried that |
| 01:23.58 | Corbo | I will |
| 01:24.03 | HP3 | I fell asleep with a customer @ work |
| 01:24.08 | Bifuu | lol |
| 01:24.09 | Bifuu | nice |
| 01:24.12 | HP3 | yup |
| 01:24.18 | HP3 | although it wasnt voluntarily |
| 01:24.25 | HP3 | failed to fall asleep for 72h |
| 01:24.25 | Corbo | though, I will probably work some more on the modding tutorial |
| 01:24.39 | Corbo | it'd help to easily introduce more people. |
| 01:24.53 | HP3 | not from the forums though |
| 01:24.54 | Corbo | anyway |
| 01:24.56 | Corbo | afk |
| 01:25.04 | HP3 | they wont even enter the page due to it being reverse engineering! ;D |
| 01:25.06 | HP3 | yeah later |
| 01:25.07 | Corbo | what do you mean? |
| 01:25.14 | Corbo | oh |
| 01:25.16 | Corbo | from bnet forums |
| 01:25.18 | Corbo | naaah |
| 01:25.19 | Corbo | :P |
| 01:25.24 | HP3 | hey, wheres the tutorial |
| 01:25.27 | HP3 | on forums? |
| 01:25.33 | Corbo | I haven't posted it. |
| 01:25.39 | HP3 | ah, that explains it |
| 01:25.42 | Corbo | ;o |
| 01:25.55 | HP3 | well, you go make dinner already. you suck at leaving just like i suck at going to bed |
| 01:26.03 | Corbo | okay |
| 01:26.04 | HP3 | ! |
| 01:26.04 | Corbo | afk |
| 01:26.06 | Corbo | what |
| 01:26.11 | Bifuu | lol |
| 01:26.12 | Corbo | omg stop preventing me from going |
| 01:26.14 | Bifuu | point proven |
| 01:26.15 | HP3 | :D |
| 01:26.27 | Corbo | k afk for real |
| 01:26.29 | Bifuu | CORBO WAIT |
| 01:26.31 | Bifuu | xD |
| 01:26.33 | HP3 | :p |
| 01:26.36 | HP3 | thats mean! |
| 01:26.49 | Bifuu | hey at the same time its keeping you up |
| 01:27.29 | HP3 | yeah |
| 01:27.46 | HP3 | ive told ppl in like 5 different places (at 5 different times) ill be going to bed by now |
| 01:27.52 | HP3 | but now im busy pulling some peeps in here |
| 01:28.19 | Bifuu | lol |
| 01:28.55 | HP3 | i need more euros around me |
| 01:29.17 | HP3 | also, when you take a break http://spoonyexperiment.com/category/game-reviews/final-fantasy-x/ |
| 01:29.26 | HP3 | totally missed out on that one myself :O |
| 01:30.40 | *** join/#sc2mapster Xan (Xan@c-a954e255.541-1-64736c11.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) |
| 01:30.52 | HP3 | Xan - Protip of the year /server -n |
| 01:31.24 | Witchsong | I should really sleep now. |
| 01:31.27 | HP3 | now I can fall asleep feeling great |
| 01:31.28 | Witchsong | It's 2:30. |
| 01:31.36 | HP3 | I swedified this channel just a little more |
| 01:31.39 | HP3 | Witchsong wtf |
| 01:31.42 | HP3 | you have gmt+1 too? |
| 01:31.46 | Witchsong | Yes. |
| 01:31.46 | HP3 | oh right, you do |
| 01:31.49 | Witchsong | :) |
| 01:31.53 | HP3 | you should be like in |
| 01:31.55 | HP3 | gmt+0.5 |
| 01:32.10 | Bifuu | gmt-5 reppin! |
| 01:32.12 | HP3 | why? well, just because :p |
| 01:32.30 | HP3 | so xan |
| 01:32.35 | HP3 | welcome to heaven on earth |
| 01:32.39 | Xan | ty |
| 01:32.54 | HP3 | i wonder if cor comes if i highlight him |
| 01:33.03 | HP3 | nah, thats just wrong :p |
| 01:33.18 | Witchsong | lol :P |
| 01:33.20 | HP3 | now im really really gooing to sleep. need to read books tomorrow before exam |
| 01:33.26 | HP3 | and Witchsong |
| 01:33.30 | HP3 | you need to sleep too |
| 01:33.35 | Witchsong | I know. |
| 01:33.37 | HP3 | xan |
| 01:33.40 | HP3 | since you are still awake |
| 01:33.47 | Witchsong | But I don't have exam I need to read for. |
| 01:33.47 | HP3 | find me zeratul / artanis pr0n |
| 01:33.47 | Witchsong | :D |
| 01:33.49 | HP3 | live action |
| 01:33.51 | Xan | wtf! |
| 01:34.11 | HP3 | ill reward you with one free win in sc2 if you ever meet me in 1on1 randomly |
| 01:34.28 | Witchsong | Haha, best reward ever. :P |
| 01:34.36 | HP3 | just watch |
| 01:34.39 | Bifuu | HP this thing is weird |
| 01:34.41 | HP3 | he'll be searching for like 2 months |
| 01:34.48 | HP3 | Bifuu which? |
| 01:35.02 | Witchsong | But, seriously, now I am gonna sleep. |
| 01:35.09 | HP3 | yeaah, they all say that |
| 01:35.14 | HP3 | nn Witchsong |
| 01:35.15 | Witchsong | And tomorrow I'm gonna work more on my libm3.net |
| 01:35.16 | Xan | nn |
| 01:35.23 | Bifuu | the link to the FFX review |
| 01:35.27 | Witchsong | nn :) |
| 01:35.29 | HP3 | Bifuu ah |
| 01:35.30 | HP3 | yes |
| 01:35.42 | HP3 | you also have thatguywiththeglasses.com |
| 01:35.56 | HP3 | nostalgia critic are the videos you are after there |
| 01:36.12 | HP3 | older videos, his new ones differ in quality |
| 01:36.20 | Jerub | HP3: i love free wins. |
| 01:36.23 | HP3 | he also has some specials w avgn |
| 01:36.37 | Jerub | "I'm still doing placement matches" "I'm a protoss going for early air" "I'm zerg" |
| 01:36.41 | HP3 | Jerub well, let me sleep over it and find an even more impossible task then! :D |
| 01:37.02 | HP3 | also are you euro? |
| 01:37.20 | HP3 | if so, lets hope you get to meet me among the 12k players |
| 01:37.33 | HP3 | if you do ill gladly give you the win to boost you a little ;) |
| 01:37.43 | HP3 | ah well, screw this i need sleep |
| 01:37.46 | HP3 | nn guys |
| 01:38.01 | Jerub | no, i'm US |
| 01:38.11 | HP-zzz | bah |
| 01:38.16 | HP-zzz | i cant even troll the american boards! |
| 01:38.20 | Jerub | actuall,y i'm australian |
| 01:38.21 | Jerub | which SUCKS |
| 01:38.26 | HP-zzz | latency? |
| 01:38.27 | Jerub | because i'm out of timezone for the americans |
| 01:38.32 | HP-zzz | ah |
| 01:38.35 | Jerub | i want to play against euro but i can't! |
| 01:38.48 | HP-zzz | fucken kangaroos |
| 01:38.51 | Bifuu | Someone kick HP, he will never go any other way |
| 01:38.52 | HP-zzz | its all their fault |
| 01:38.56 | Xan | you should be in asian server then |
| 01:38.57 | Xan | ^^ |
| 01:38.59 | Jerub | otoh, i'm playing everyone in america when they're sleep deprived. |
| 01:39.00 | Jerub | it helps. |
| 01:39.00 | HP-zzz | Bifuu I has a backup |
| 01:39.01 | HP-zzz | HP-X |
| 01:39.02 | HP-zzz | :p |
| 01:39.08 | Bifuu | kick em all! |
| 01:39.11 | HP-X | HAHA! |
| 01:39.15 | Jerub | Xan: oceanic is historically NA |
| 01:39.41 | Xan | timezone is closer to asia though |
| 01:40.05 | HP-zzz | ah well, nn :p (i dont wanna get kicked) |
| 01:40.10 | Xan | n |
| 01:40.35 | Jerub | Xan: yeah, and i have rudimentary chinese too, but meh |
| 01:41.03 | Xan | playing against a bunch of koreans might be a bit harsh though |
| 01:41.04 | Jerub | i had someone get agro in a party chat in wow when i started speaking mandarin in party chat with 2 other party members. |
| 01:41.20 | Jerub | Xan: that's what the ladder system is for |
| 01:41.49 | Xan | in beta it doesn't match correctly though |
| 01:42.03 | Jerub | 1v1 is usually lcose |
| 01:42.07 | Jerub | i've been asking |
| 01:42.07 | Xan | played against gold/platinum guys way too much ^^ |
| 01:42.12 | Jerub | usually i'm against copper or bronze. |
| 01:42.24 | Jerub | (i'm in copper, but now ranked 7th in my division) |
| 01:42.35 | Jerub | i've had a big string of wins this weekend |
| 01:43.13 | Xan | 1v1 it matches a bit better than 2v2 I think |
| 01:43.21 | Jerub | yeah |
| 01:43.30 | Xan | 2v2s are always way hard |
| 01:45.50 | Xan | its early in the morning in australia? |
| 01:45.59 | Jerub | it's nearly lunchtime |
| 01:46.03 | Jerub | i'm at work |
| 01:46.05 | Xan | ah |
| 01:46.13 | Xan | here it's in the middle of the night ^^ |
| 01:46.25 | Jerub | i know |
| 01:46.27 | Xan | what do you work with? |
| 01:46.52 | Jerub | if i said "routers" i would both be telling you something useful and lying. |
| 01:47.15 | Xan | err |
| 01:47.18 | Xan | what does that mean? :) |
| 01:50.43 | Bifuu | god this parent node has tons of children |
| 01:52.52 | Jerub | should we get a sc2 specific channel that's not about mapster? |
| 01:52.57 | Jerub | I just want to rant about sc2 gameplay :P |
| 01:53.33 | *** join/#sc2mapster industrial (~industria@205.189.72.45) |
| 01:54.18 | Bifuu | you could pretty much do that here, nothing else is going on atm lol |
| 01:55.29 | Bifuu | plus some gameplay discussion would help |
| 01:55.47 | Bifuu | i tend to ask about gameplay alot to figure out some of these xml entries |
| 02:00.18 | Jerub | apparently the person i gave my key to has a busted laptop |
| 02:00.20 | Jerub | sigh |
| 02:00.25 | Jerub | so he's not even using it yet |
| 02:00.57 | Bifuu | lol |
| 02:01.05 | Repo | Knowledge base page update: http://www.sc2mapster.com/api-docs/game-files/xml/abil-data-xml/ by Bifuu |
| 02:02.19 | FrozenFirebat | I just put my extra key on my other B.net account and let everybody I know use that one |
| 02:02.39 | Corbo | back |
| 02:04.19 | Shaki|Unloved | YOU |
| 02:04.33 | Shaki|Unloved | HAD.. |
| 02:04.34 | Corbo | ? |
| 02:04.43 | Shaki|Unloved | AND EXTRA KEY.. |
| 02:04.45 | Bifuu | i saw that coming |
| 02:05.00 | Shaki|Unloved | has a seizure. |
| 02:05.07 | FrozenFirebat | lol |
| 02:05.15 | FrozenFirebat | everybody got a Extra key |
| 02:05.15 | Corbo | :P |
| 02:05.38 | Shaki|Unloved | i dont have a key |
| 02:05.41 | Bifuu | wannt see a funny? http://www.sc2mapster.com/api-docs/game-files/xml/abil-data-xml/ go look at how many nodes are in CAbilEffectTarget |
| 02:05.43 | *** part/#sc2mapster industrial (~industria@205.189.72.45) |
| 02:05.46 | Shaki|Unloved | and you wasted one |
| 02:06.09 | FrozenFirebat | not wasted, 6 people have gotten to play it with the key |
| 02:06.18 | Shaki|Unloved | wut. |
| 02:06.20 | FrozenFirebat | Everybody who got a Beta invite got a recruit-a-friend key |
| 02:06.52 | FrozenFirebat | I put the RAF key on my second B.net account (cause I used to quad-box WOW with 4 accounts), and let all my friends log into that one |
| 02:07.02 | Shaki|Unloved | o |
| 02:07.04 | Shaki|Unloved | nvm |
| 02:07.08 | Shaki|Unloved | i thought you wasted it lol |
| 02:07.35 | FrozenFirebat | ahh... so what you doing here if you don't even get to play SC2 yet? =P |
| 02:08.17 | Shaki|Unloved | hoping i'll get the key. |
| 02:08.18 | Shaki|Unloved | lol |
| 02:08.26 | Shaki|Unloved | nicoli is giving out :P |
| 02:08.43 | Shaki|Unloved | and i still love modding communities |
| 02:08.49 | Shaki|Unloved | despite the whole beta thing |
| 02:08.51 | FrozenFirebat | obviously everybody else here had one... mabey if you start asking around they'll give you their RAF key XD |
| 02:08.59 | Shaki|Unloved | believe me |
| 02:09.02 | Shaki|Unloved | i asked around |
| 02:09.03 | Shaki|Unloved | lol. |
| 02:09.06 | Bifuu | lol |
| 02:09.10 | FrozenFirebat | lol |
| 02:09.10 | Jerub | there's a spreadsheet in the topic |
| 02:09.18 | Shaki|Unloved | you know |
| 02:09.19 | Jerub | it's got a list of people who want keys |
| 02:09.28 | Shaki|Unloved | i dont you you ever thought you check that list! |
| 02:09.28 | Jerub | shaki's listed |
| 02:09.31 | Shaki|Unloved | lol |
| 02:09.43 | FrozenFirebat | Well I signed up on all 4 of my B.net accounts, if I get another one, i'll spread the love |
| 02:09.46 | *** join/#sc2mapster Zeerti (~Skarrj@32.97.110.53) |
| 02:09.53 | Shaki|Unloved | that in a way |
| 02:09.54 | Zeerti | even gents. |
| 02:09.56 | Shaki|Unloved | sounded dirty. |
| 02:09.58 | Zeerti | evening* |
| 02:10.12 | FrozenFirebat | evening zeerti |
| 02:10.21 | FrozenFirebat | appearently SC2 Beta is a dirty deed |
| 02:10.35 | Zeerti | Just heard of the editor I'm very much impressed. :D |
| 02:11.05 | FrozenFirebat | nic is still in the channel, don't inflate egos |
| 02:11.12 | Bifuu | 17 more parents to finish documenting fully *slams head on desk* this its proof reading/linking |
| 02:11.38 | Bifuu | then its* |
| 02:11.44 | Bifuu | man i need to use mavis beacon |
| 02:12.15 | FrozenFirebat | lol |
| 02:12.22 | FrozenFirebat | I think i'm the only one here that got that joke |
| 02:13.02 | Bifuu | lol that or it was as funny as the both of us think apparently |
| 02:13.32 | FrozenFirebat | Are you just browsing all this data in notepad, btw? |
| 02:13.42 | Shaki|Unloved | slams his head against his desk 450,640,689,362,157,453.357489025 |
| 02:13.48 | Shaki|Unloved | times. |
| 02:14.19 | FrozenFirebat | "his." that solves it, for some reason I thought Shaki was either an Emo boy or female. |
| 02:14.39 | Corbo | female |
| 02:14.42 | Corbo | always go female |
| 02:14.43 | Corbo | wait |
| 02:14.47 | Corbo | what are we talking about? |
| 02:14.51 | Shaki|Unloved | fucking beats FrozenFirebat with a fucking shovel screaming "DON'T YOU EVER FUCKING CALL ME EMO!!!!!" |
| 02:14.58 | Shaki|Unloved | .. |
| 02:15.07 | FrozenFirebat | ok, so your Screamo then? |
| 02:15.26 | Shaki|Unloved | shanks FrozenFirebat, and hangs him in his freezer with deer meat. |
| 02:15.27 | Corbo | lol scr-emo ;o |
| 02:15.56 | FrozenFirebat | would that be to keep me from thawing? |
| 02:15.58 | Bifuu | im using notepad++ |
| 02:16.39 | Shaki|Unloved | dips FrozenFirebat in toxic waste and in nuclear ingredients. |
| 02:17.17 | FrozenFirebat | jeez, shaki, why all the "emo"ting? |
| 02:17.20 | Shaki|Unloved | chains FrozenFirebat up in his garage on display with a sign pointing to him "Idiot that thought i was emo, any questions?" |
| 02:17.36 | Shaki|Unloved | well |
| 02:18.24 | Shaki|Unloved | my moto is, "I eat emo's like i eat toast. I beat them with my shovel, chop them up into tiny peices and then bury them. After of which i will burn their families." |
| 02:18.43 | Shaki|Unloved | I hate emo people |
| 02:18.44 | FrozenFirebat | what an "emo"tional response |
| 02:18.48 | Shaki|Unloved | PERDIOD |
| 02:18.53 | Corbo | lol at emo-ting |
| 02:19.26 | Shaki|Unloved | FrozenFirebat |
| 02:19.38 | FrozenFirebat | So Bifuu, which file do I look in for the GUI code? |
| 02:19.48 | Corbo | gui code? |
| 02:19.57 | Shaki|Unloved | i suggest you go to meatspin.com to learn your ways of flaming. If you continue to troll maybe i can actually copy down your ip for later usage. |
| 02:20.03 | Corbo | try base.sc2data mpq |
| 02:20.09 | Corbo | in core.sc2mod |
| 02:20.11 | Shaki|Unloved | I do not however |
| 02:20.15 | Shaki|Unloved | suggest anyone else going there. |
| 02:20.19 | Shaki|Unloved | SERIOUSLY. |
| 02:20.20 | Corbo | ope the mpq and fin UI\layout\ |
| 02:20.21 | FrozenFirebat | hmm... |
| 02:20.27 | Corbo | they're all .sc2layout files |
| 02:20.32 | Corbo | is that what you mean? |
| 02:20.33 | FrozenFirebat | Yes, shaki, i'll go there, but you need to look up kids in the sandbox |
| 02:20.43 | FrozenFirebat | mabey |
| 02:20.47 | FrozenFirebat | corbo |
| 02:21.14 | Shaki|Unloved | FrozenFirebat |
| 02:21.18 | Shaki|Unloved | Suggestion. |
| 02:21.25 | Shaki|Unloved | Stop flaming me and just shut up. |
| 02:21.42 | FrozenFirebat | har har... a Firebat, flaming somebody |
| 02:21.44 | FrozenFirebat | I get it! |
| 02:23.07 | Shaki|Unloved | Har har, honestly you're just making a fool of your self by not shutting the fuck up and/or dropping it. |
| 02:23.17 | Bifuu | ^ |
| 02:23.25 | Shaki|Unloved | Go figure bifuu |
| 02:23.25 | Shaki|Unloved | lol |
| 02:23.28 | FrozenFirebat | XD |
| 02:23.41 | Bifuu | and what corbo said about the GUI thing would be what i told you |
| 02:23.46 | Shaki|Unloved | http://www.a1b2c3.com/suilodge/metfun1.htm |
| 02:23.50 | Shaki|Unloved | im reading this atm |
| 02:23.51 | Shaki|Unloved | xD |
| 02:25.43 | *** join/#sc2mapster Sixen (~Sixen@173-25-23-10.client.mchsi.com) |
| 02:25.43 | *** mode/#sc2mapster [+o Sixen] by ChanServ |
| 02:25.54 | Sixen | Honey, i'm home. |
| 02:26.16 | Jerub | hey sexy. |
| 02:26.32 | Sixen | =] |
| 02:26.47 | Bifuu | yoyo |
| 02:27.21 | Shaki|Unloved | Sixen! |
| 02:27.25 | Shaki|Unloved | Sixen save me! |
| 02:27.37 | Shaki|Unloved | FrozenFlamerbat made me depressed |
| 02:27.37 | Shaki|Unloved | :'( |
| 02:27.46 | Shaki|Unloved | now i'm reading http://www.a1b2c3.com/suilodge/metfun1.htm |
| 02:28.10 | Sixen | wut? |
| 02:28.37 | Bifuu | i skimmed that page, some were pretty funny lol |
| 02:28.44 | FrozenFirebat | Sorry Shaki |
| 02:28.44 | Bifuu | the sausage thing was lolable |
| 02:29.20 | Shaki|Unloved | What you didn't know i was suicidal? |
| 02:29.32 | Shaki|Unloved | Only reason i don't kill myself is because i don't like pain? |
| 02:29.34 | Shaki|Unloved | -.- |
| 02:29.46 | FrozenFirebat | remember kids, it'd down the road, not acrossed the street when slicing your wrists |
| 02:29.50 | FrozenFirebat | erm I mean, i'm sorry shaki |
| 02:30.30 | Corbo | sixen |
| 02:30.40 | Corbo | it's working :P |
| 02:30.57 | Corbo | also |
| 02:31.07 | Corbo | those ways to kill yourself are pretty cool. |
| 02:31.14 | Sixen | <3 |
| 02:31.15 | Shaki|Unloved | Yea well sixen the point is |
| 02:31.17 | FrozenFirebat | OMG, the UI language isn't that hard, but is it all in FLASH?!!? |
| 02:31.19 | Shaki|Unloved | im anti-emo |
| 02:31.29 | Sixen | orly FF? |
| 02:31.29 | Shaki|Unloved | and he wont stop flaming me about emo's |
| 02:31.31 | Shaki|Unloved | -.- |
| 02:31.45 | Corbo | flash? |
| 02:31.51 | Corbo | it's just xml all over |
| 02:31.51 | Shaki|Unloved | java? |
| 02:32.03 | Corbo | just a little bit more complex than the regular xmls |
| 02:32.08 | Corbo | cause it recalls to other stuff |
| 02:32.10 | Sixen | Yeah, SC2Style & SC2Layout == XML |
| 02:32.11 | Jerub | what's in flash? |
| 02:32.15 | FrozenFirebat | it appears the language isn't too bad, but graphical files are all swf? |
| 02:32.18 | Sixen | The UI animations are Flash/DDS |
| 02:32.26 | Jerub | oh interesting |
| 02:32.26 | Sixen | I haven't poked around yet. |
| 02:33.18 | FrozenFirebat | I don't know XML, but I can read the UI directions pretty easily. |
| 02:33.25 | Corbo | wut? |
| 02:33.26 | FrozenFirebat | very well coded. |
| 02:33.32 | Corbo | one doesn't "know" xml |
| 02:33.38 | Corbo | it's just xml ;o |
| 02:34.15 | Shaki|Unloved | Siiixxxxeeeeeennn |
| 02:34.25 | Shaki|Unloved | scold FrozenFirebat :( |
| 02:34.37 | Zeerti | What is the file path to the XML that shows the language? |
| 02:34.40 | Zeerti | I can't find it to save my life |
| 02:35.01 | Corbo | the language? |
| 02:35.08 | FrozenFirebat | Well corbo, I mean that i'm not familiar with the syntex of XML |
| 02:35.09 | Zeerti | The scripting language |
| 02:35.17 | Zeerti | for the editor |
| 02:35.50 | Sixen | lol corbo |
| 02:36.02 | Corbo | it's true >.> |
| 02:36.33 | FrozenFirebat | UI layout files are in SC2 folder > Mods > Core.SC2Mod > File Base.Sc2data > Open with MPQ viewer |
| 02:36.48 | Shaki|Unloved | Sixen |
| 02:36.50 | FrozenFirebat | Under UI > Layout > UI |
| 02:36.52 | Shaki|Unloved | Scold himmm |
| 02:36.52 | Sixen | Yes? |
| 02:36.54 | Sixen | lol |
| 02:37.00 | Shaki|Unloved | do it.. |
| 02:37.02 | Shaki|Unloved | im tired |
| 02:37.04 | FrozenFirebat | yes, scold me. |
| 02:37.04 | Shaki|Unloved | and pissed |
| 02:37.05 | FrozenFirebat | scold me good |
| 02:37.07 | Shaki|Unloved | and depressed |
| 02:37.10 | Shaki|Unloved | and hungry |
| 02:37.13 | Shaki|Unloved | and thirsty |
| 02:37.15 | Shaki|Unloved | and bored |
| 02:37.19 | Shaki|Unloved | and horney |
| 02:37.24 | Zeerti | FrozenFirebat, where the hell do I get the MPQ viewer? That's what I've been missing haha. |
| 02:37.25 | Shaki|Unloved | erm |
| 02:37.29 | Shaki|Unloved | forget the last part |
| 02:37.38 | Corbo | UI\layout\ |
| 02:37.54 | FrozenFirebat | erm... I hadn't used one in a long time, I got this one off SC2mapster |
| 02:38.06 | FrozenFirebat | think it came with one of their projects |
| 02:38.12 | ckknight | howdy, Zeerti |
| 02:38.14 | Zeerti | aight |
| 02:38.16 | ckknight | you're new |
| 02:38.20 | ckknight | welcome |
| 02:38.21 | Zeerti | This I am |
| 02:38.22 | Zeerti | :D |
| 02:38.28 | Corbo | OGM |
| 02:38.31 | Corbo | FRESH MEAT |
| 02:38.38 | Zeerti | I mean... I'm old |
| 02:38.43 | Zeerti | lol |
| 02:39.07 | Shaki|Unloved | See this is why my name has |Unloved in it |
| 02:39.08 | Shaki|Unloved | -.- |
| 02:39.15 | Corbo | lol |
| 02:40.00 | Corbo | brb just a sec |
| 02:40.03 | FrozenFirebat | http://www.zezula.net/en/mpq/download.html |
| 02:40.05 | FrozenFirebat | mpq editor |
| 02:40.50 | Zeerti | thanks Frozen :D |
| 02:43.46 | Shaki|Unloved | slaps sixen. |
| 02:43.49 | *** join/#sc2mapster Corbo (~thecorbo@190.87.70.212) |
| 02:43.51 | Shaki|Unloved | I told you to scold! |
| 02:43.55 | Shaki|Unloved | :'( |
| 02:43.56 | Corbo | i r bax |
| 02:44.00 | Jerub | Zeerti: ^^ |
| 02:44.20 | Jerub | Zeerti: what timezone are you in? |
| 02:44.32 | Zeerti | Arizona |
| 02:44.40 | Jerub | ah, another american. |
| 02:44.43 | Zeerti | Central :D |
| 02:45.00 | Zeerti | pfft what is that suppposed to mean? haha |
| 02:45.05 | Jerub | Zeerti: i'm in australia, i'm just trying to trakc down people from irc and such. i wnat a 2v2 team :P |
| 02:45.18 | Jerub | Zeerti: my prime playing hours are after you cats go to bed |
| 02:45.33 | Zeerti | My prime playing hours are wed-friday all damn day |
| 02:45.34 | Zeerti | :D |
| 02:45.44 | Jerub | the american day. |
| 02:45.48 | Jerub | it's nearly 1pm here. |
| 02:45.53 | Jerub | i don't start playing till 7pm |
| 02:45.55 | Zeerti | 8:45 here. |
| 02:46.03 | Jerub | i know. |
| 02:46.07 | Corbo | it's 8:45 in here too |
| 02:46.09 | Zeerti | this is actually my prime playing time right about now. |
| 02:46.12 | Jerub | i keep track of when's best to deploy my terror weapons. |
| 02:46.14 | Zeerti | if I wasn't at work. |
| 02:46.23 | Zeerti | terror weapons?! D: |
| 02:46.55 | Jerub | i figure lunchtime. |
| 02:47.55 | Shaki|Unloved | IM SO UPSET |
| 02:47.57 | Shaki|Unloved | IM LEAVING |
| 02:48.02 | Shaki|Unloved | until tomorrow morning |
| 02:48.06 | Shaki|Unloved | because i am tired |
| 02:48.07 | Shaki|Unloved | :) |
| 02:49.05 | FrozenFirebat | I doubt your prime playing hours are after I goto bed Jerub XD |
| 02:51.03 | Corbo | He's so QQ-y |
| 02:51.05 | Corbo | it's fun |
| 02:51.15 | FrozenFirebat | ya I gathered that |
| 02:51.24 | FrozenFirebat | and i'm a bit of a dick, so I like messing with people like that |
| 02:51.42 | Corbo | Oh, I am too. |
| 02:51.59 | Corbo | I'm just holding myself for a little while :P |
| 02:52.21 | FrozenFirebat | ya, it's best not to go all out quickly, then they don't think you can last very long. |
| 02:53.02 | Repo | Knowledge base page update: http://www.sc2mapster.com/api-docs/game-files/xml/abil-data-xml/ by Bifuu |
| 02:53.11 | Bifuu | god i cant wait to be done with this one page |
| 02:54.04 | FrozenFirebat | OMG, do I really have to get macromedia to view swf files? |
| 02:55.45 | Bifuu | prolly, or google something else |
| 02:56.24 | Corbo | try embedding them on a site. |
| 02:56.30 | Corbo | or you can try VLC |
| 02:56.37 | Corbo | or maybe even irfanview |
| 02:57.12 | Bifuu | VLC doesnt load them by defaault, there might be a plugin for it |
| 02:57.32 | Corbo | Bifuu...damn |
| 02:57.34 | FrozenFirebat | a plugin for winamp? |
| 02:57.37 | Corbo | that's a lot of info |
| 03:02.34 | *** join/#sc2mapster Astazha (~Astazha@173-16-119-89.client.mchsi.com) |
| 03:02.40 | Astazha | evening |
| 03:03.19 | Corbo | Hi |
| 03:09.26 | Bifuu | whats alot of info? |
| 03:11.03 | Corbo | all that xml structure you've documented. |
| 03:11.07 | Corbo | I scrollled |
| 03:11.08 | Corbo | and scrolled |
| 03:11.10 | Corbo | and scrolled |
| 03:11.13 | Corbo | and scrolled |
| 03:11.31 | Corbo | stopped scrolling when I realised I wasn't even by the half of the page |
| 03:11.32 | Corbo | :P |
| 03:12.51 | Bifuu | oh lol |
| 03:12.52 | Bifuu | yeah |
| 03:12.53 | Sixen | :X |
| 03:13.00 | Sixen | Complete docs ftw. |
| 03:13.18 | Bifuu | its alot, but the xmldoc style makes it look alot more evil |
| 03:13.24 | Bifuu | pfft its not complete |
| 03:13.28 | Bifuu | im still adding to it |
| 03:13.32 | Bifuu | plus theres alot of unknowns |
| 03:13.33 | Bifuu | =( |
| 03:13.59 | Corbo | when I run into an unknown I take them out |
| 03:14.04 | Corbo | or exaggerate the values |
| 03:14.13 | Corbo | for example |
| 03:14.17 | Sixen | Bif, sitll need to add flags page, right? |
| 03:14.19 | Sixen | Is that it? |
| 03:15.15 | Bifuu | yea flasg page, plus im making sure all the children are documented now |
| 03:15.21 | Sixen | =D |
| 03:15.22 | Sixen | <3 |
| 03:15.50 | Sixen | Aztazha, I know you wanted to make a project page for your AI |
| 03:15.56 | Bifuu | plus i need to go back over it, ive figured out alot of stuff over time so theres some things listed in some places as unknowns that are actually documented in others |
| 03:15.56 | Sixen | You can go ahead whenever you want, i'll approve it. |
| 03:16.04 | Sixen | ah |
| 03:16.08 | Sixen | interesting.. |
| 03:16.18 | Bifuu | then i need to link to some other pages |
| 03:16.18 | Sixen | I think I might start doing the Layout files soon |
| 03:17.02 | Corbo | I'd do layouts |
| 03:17.08 | Corbo | if I wasn't making my tutorials |
| 03:17.11 | Bifuu | ill do anything |
| 03:17.14 | Bifuu | but actordata |
| 03:17.20 | Bifuu | that bitch is a monster |
| 03:17.48 | Bifuu | 11900 lines of xml O.O |
| 03:18.24 | Bifuu | plus i know almost nothing about art, which that is so it would be hard for me to know what anything is |
| 03:18.26 | Astazha | Thanks Sixen. I was thinking I'd wait till it was in some kind of an alpha-releasable state. |
| 03:18.35 | Sixen | Whatever floats your boat, Ast. |
| 03:18.37 | Sixen | ;) |
| 03:18.49 | Sixen | If you want to make it now so you can organize some stuff better, go for the gold., |
| 03:19.00 | Astazha | ok, thank you |
| 03:19.07 | Sixen | @corbo: Featuring it on mapster, yeah? ;) |
| 03:19.16 | Bifuu | imma go write a galaxy script that does like one thing and upload it justs o i can have a green name xD |
| 03:19.17 | Sixen | bif: Holy shit. 12k lines?! |
| 03:19.23 | Sixen | lol |
| 03:19.25 | Bifuu | yeah go open it |
| 03:19.29 | Bifuu | its crazy |
| 03:19.31 | Sixen | That's rough -_- |
| 03:19.35 | Corbo | sure |
| 03:19.38 | Sixen | And i need to redo unitdata sometime |
| 03:19.39 | Corbo | also, it's html |
| 03:19.44 | Sixen | All good. |
| 03:19.48 | Bifuu | AbilData is only 3k |
| 03:19.48 | Corbo | but I'll probably make a forum friendly version |
| 03:19.52 | Corbo | bbcode stuff |
| 03:19.57 | Bifuu | The wiki takes HTML code |
| 03:20.00 | Sixen | I could probably setup a page for it~ |
| 03:20.01 | Bifuu | and bbcode |
| 03:20.06 | Sixen | And what bif said :P |
| 03:20.17 | Sixen | brb. |
| 03:20.24 | Bifuu | just make a tutorial section in the Wiki i guess |
| 03:22.21 | Bifuu | btw |
| 03:22.35 | Bifuu | thank god for undo in web browsers |
| 03:22.36 | Bifuu | lol |
| 03:22.46 | Bifuu | accidentally deleteing half my page = bad |
| 03:25.13 | Corbo | I once made a 23k letters post on SEN |
| 03:25.20 | Corbo | and when I clicked submit |
| 03:25.23 | Corbo | SEN was like |
| 03:25.44 | Corbo | "YOUR POST WAS TIMED OUT (took more than 10 minutes to be made)" |
| 03:25.54 | Corbo | nothing could save me there. |
| 03:26.32 | Bifuu | i hate that, the blizzard forums are like that too |
| 03:27.02 | Bifuu | got me in the habit of Copying stuff before i submitted it if it took a while to write haha |
| 03:28.38 | Corbo | same. |
| 03:28.50 | Corbo | Ever since then I copy + paste my posts on all forums |
| 03:29.00 | Corbo | or I just write them in note pad or something |
| 03:29.56 | Bifuu | lol im glad it doesnt seem like the wiki times out tho haha |
| 03:30.17 | Bifuu | Tho i freak out every now and then and update my page alot |
| 03:30.23 | Bifuu | just to make sure it saves |
| 03:30.42 | Astazha | Yeah, ditto. I've lost some long posts like that... |
| 03:30.49 | Zeerti | Alright I'm having issues making the computer cast stimpack when engaging in combat. Anyone know how to fix this? lol |
| 03:31.05 | Bifuu | Slap it! |
| 03:31.11 | Astazha | What is it doing/not doing? |
| 03:31.18 | Zeerti | Just attacking and not using stim. |
| 03:32.11 | Zeerti | How would I code it to make it do this? I thought I would just use a basic command string, but it doesn't seem to want to work. |
| 03:33.02 | Astazha | Is it definitely executing that section of code when you think it is? |
| 03:33.23 | Astazha | I think AICast is the way to go btw |
| 03:33.28 | Astazha | but I'm still learning about commands |
| 03:33.41 | Zeerti | AICast is what I'm using :D |
| 03:34.10 | Repo | Knowledge base page update: http://www.sc2mapster.com/api-docs/game-files/xml/abil-data-xml/ by Bifuu |
| 03:34.22 | Bifuu | *does a dance* all children documented! wooooooo |
| 03:34.33 | Bifuu | *passes out* |
| 03:34.41 | Zeerti | Nice bifuu! |
| 03:34.47 | Zeerti | sounds like a fuck ton of work. |
| 03:34.57 | Bifuu | just tedious really |
| 03:35.01 | Bifuu | long and tedious |
| 03:35.03 | Zeerti | well yeah lol |
| 03:35.20 | Bifuu | and alot of imagination |
| 03:35.54 | Bifuu | Trying to recall what abilities did in my head to figure out what it meany by xxxxx |
| 03:36.43 | Astazha | Zeerti: can you paste the few lines that you're using to try to make them stim? |
| 03:38.27 | Sixen | (8:25:45 PM) Corbo: "YOUR POST WAS TIMED OUT (took more than 10 minutes to be made)" |
| 03:38.28 | Sixen | :( |
| 03:38.58 | Corbo | oh it made me more than sad :P |
| 03:39.37 | Sixen | Yeah, I hate when that happens. |
| 03:39.52 | Zeerti | I can't Astazha I'm at work, I just remembered it not working and was wondering what other people might do to get it to work. |
| 03:39.54 | Zeerti | :P |
| 03:40.12 | Zeerti | I can't even get the AI to just cast it at any time. |
| 03:40.37 | Astazha | Ok... here is a move command that's working in my code: |
| 03:40.44 | Astazha | o = Order(AbilityCommand("move",0)); |
| 03:40.44 | Astazha | OrderSetTargetPoint(o,Point(150,75)); |
| 03:40.44 | Astazha | valid_o = UnitOrderIsValid(myOverlord, o); |
| 03:40.45 | Astazha | if(valid_o){ |
| 03:40.45 | Astazha | AICast(myOverlord,o,c_noMarker,false); |
| 03:40.45 | Astazha | } |
| 03:41.04 | Bifuu | 31 |
| 03:41.14 | Bifuu | Theres 31 unique parents in ActorData |
| 03:41.22 | Sixen | O_O |
| 03:41.24 | Astazha | order o; bool valid_o; |
| 03:41.26 | Bifuu | AbilData has 24 |
| 03:41.58 | Astazha | if you replace "move" with c_AB_Stim and get rid of the setpoint nonsense, I would think that Syntax would work for you. |
| 03:42.06 | Zeerti | Alright. |
| 03:42.49 | Jerub | so does anyone know anything about pathing? |
| 03:42.58 | Bifuu | yeah |
| 03:43.03 | Bifuu | It connects one point to another |
| 03:43.04 | Bifuu | xD |
| 03:43.07 | Zeerti | I know nothing about pathing, but I want to learn xD |
| 03:43.07 | Zeerti | haha |
| 03:43.11 | Jerub | i think i've discovered that it's possible to find out if an opponent has blocked off their base based on unit movement. |
| 03:43.35 | Jerub | you know the ... desert ... map? with teh base exit/entrance on the reverse side of the map? |
| 03:43.38 | Jerub | (1v1 map) |
| 03:43.56 | Bifuu | Desert Oasis |
| 03:44.00 | Astazha | Yeah |
| 03:44.03 | Jerub | that's the one. |
| 03:44.04 | Corbo | Desert Oasis! |
| 03:44.06 | Corbo | aw damn |
| 03:44.13 | Corbo | biffuuuuuuu got it first. |
| 03:44.21 | Bifuu | you know you are a UMS person when you have to thinka bout names of melee maps |
| 03:44.26 | Bifuu | hahaha |
| 03:44.26 | Jerub | when playing against terran i can move an scv to their base and it will act like the ramp doesn't even exist. |
| 03:44.33 | Jerub | UMS? |
| 03:44.36 | Corbo | I'm not a person |
| 03:44.39 | Corbo | I'm a modder |
| 03:44.39 | Bifuu | Use MAp Settings |
| 03:44.44 | Corbo | :D |
| 03:44.50 | Bifuu | aka Custom maps |
| 03:44.53 | Jerub | okay |
| 03:44.55 | Bifuu | anyways go on |
| 03:45.26 | Jerub | yeah, it seems that you can find out stuff that's under the fog of war by looking at pathing |
| 03:45.34 | Jerub | and i'm not sure that's a good thing. |
| 03:46.23 | Zeerti | its an issue with terran blocking off their ramps in melee |
| 03:46.29 | Zeerti | tells you where they are way ahead of time |
| 03:46.36 | Zeerti | I think blizzard is working on a resolve. |
| 03:46.41 | Zeerti | resolution* |
| 03:46.46 | Astazha | Probably not. This function call is in the base race files for determining whether to go air or ground: |
| 03:46.46 | Astazha | if (AIGetGroundStartLocs(PlayerStartLocation(player)) > 0) |
| 03:47.13 | Astazha | I'm assuming based on context that it tells you how many start locations are accessible from your start location. If so, it might be a way to test for ramp blockage. |
| 03:47.52 | Bifuu | Hey Sixen |
| 03:48.03 | Bifuu | *waits* |
| 03:48.04 | Sixen | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:48.07 | Sixen | ;) |
| 03:48.09 | Bifuu | Go clean up my page |
| 03:48.10 | Bifuu | gogo |
| 03:48.15 | Bifuu | =P |
| 03:48.16 | Sixen | abildata? |
| 03:48.21 | Bifuu | yep its done |
| 03:48.26 | Bifuu | ish |
| 03:48.27 | Sixen | Clean it up? :O |
| 03:48.39 | Jerub | i'm actually now conflicted on ramp blockage. |
| 03:48.52 | Sixen | I'm going to CTRL+F "Eaxample" and replace it with "Example" |
| 03:48.54 | Sixen | that's my first step |
| 03:48.54 | Sixen | ;) |
| 03:48.56 | Jerub | i try not doing it, but the result is usually dark templar infestations. |
| 03:49.00 | Bifuu | lol make it look pretty, go correct my horrible Capitalizations and punctuations and word everything the same |
| 03:49.03 | Sixen | er. eaxmple* |
| 03:49.19 | Bifuu | haha |
| 03:49.22 | Sixen | ;). |
| 03:49.25 | Bifuu | prolly would find alot of those |
| 03:49.28 | Sixen | np |
| 03:49.36 | Sixen | Important thing is, it's documented~ |
| 03:49.38 | Bifuu | i was kidding tw o.o |
| 03:49.39 | Jerub | have any of you seen any good strats to do with lifting off and moving your command center in early game? |
| 03:49.40 | Sixen | I'll brb, btw. |
| 03:49.44 | Sixen | Like 40 minutes. |
| 03:49.52 | Bifuu | party while Sixen is gone |
| 03:49.58 | Sixen | lol jerub nic did that. he upgraded to plaenetary fort |
| 03:50.03 | Sixen | k brb. |
| 03:50.05 | Sixen | party |
| 03:50.10 | Jerub | no, that's the command center rush |
| 03:50.16 | Bifuu | Hoyl shit i did put Eaxmple |
| 03:50.22 | Bifuu | note the hoyl |
| 03:50.25 | Astazha | lol @ cc rush |
| 03:50.33 | Jerub | i mean stuff like lifting off to a place behind rocks or disjointed so only air can assult. |
| 03:50.49 | Bifuu | i thought about it |
| 03:50.52 | Bifuu | like the islands on LT |
| 03:50.55 | Astazha | to an island maybe, behind rocks doesn't slow them down enough to be worthwhile I wouldn't think. |
| 03:51.02 | Bifuu | but you would lose alot of time and resources getting there |
| 03:51.10 | Astazha | Bifuu: exactly |
| 03:51.11 | Jerub | i've seen someone do behind rocks and go reapers |
| 03:51.54 | Astazha | Is that really more effective than walling off and going reapers though? |
| 03:53.04 | Jerub | Astazha: part of the reaper problem is that if it's not properly defended from, the opponet has the option of rolling over your base |
| 03:53.11 | Repo | Knowledge base page update: http://www.sc2mapster.com/api-docs/game-files/xml/abil-data-xml/ by Bifuu |
| 03:53.20 | Bifuu | Now he has to look for errors Mwahaha |
| 03:53.27 | Jerub | but if you're behind rocks they have to fight through the rocks while your reapers are pulling your base to bits. |
| 03:54.57 | Astazha | I see. Maybe. I have a hard time getting over the initial lost resources while moving though. If someone is scouting aggressively they're going to really out macro you in the beginning. |
| 03:55.34 | Jerub | yeah, reapers are like void rays. |
| 03:55.41 | Jerub | if you see them early you can just lol and win |
| 03:59.02 | Zeerti | I like to user reapers mid game |
| 03:59.06 | Zeerti | and not rush to them. |
| 04:00.19 | Corbo | brb watching 24 |
| 04:00.24 | Zeerti | gross. |
| 04:00.31 | Zeerti | southpark is the correct way to go. |
| 04:02.06 | Jerub | they're very good at taking buildings down i think. |
| 04:02.10 | Jerub | i haven't really explored why |
| 04:02.21 | Repo | Knowledge base page update: http://www.sc2mapster.com/api-docs/game-files/xml/abil-data-xml/ by Bifuu |
| 04:02.25 | Zeerti | You haven't explored what? |
| 04:02.33 | Jerub | Zeerti: what the stats are. |
| 04:02.40 | Jerub | of reapers vs. marauders at building assult. |
| 04:02.45 | Zeerti | Jerub: Stats on what? |
| 04:03.42 | Zeerti | Jerub: Reapers are good quick hits, but marauders can handle things. They make for a decent mix as long as the enemy doesn't have air. |
| 04:06.19 | Jerub | Zeerti: i mean specifically, what is the effectiveness of a reaper at destroying a commandcenter/hatchery/etc vs. a marauder. |
| 04:06.31 | Jerub | in terms of seconds till kill probably. |
| 04:06.42 | Jerub | and then a little aside for the unit code |
| 04:06.45 | Jerub | er cost |
| 04:06.45 | Bifuu | Marad does more to buildings |
| 04:07.14 | Zeerti | uhmm idk? I think marauders do more damage in DPS, but reaps do more per hit. |
| 04:07.45 | Jerub | sighs and looks up the unit stats |
| 04:08.09 | Bifuu | Marad do more to armored units, buildings are armored, Reapers do more to light i think |
| 04:08.20 | Zeerti | they do |
| 04:08.28 | Zeerti | but reaps do 34 a hit to buildings |
| 04:08.41 | Zeerti | or did they change that ammount...? |
| 04:08.46 | Bifuu | So reapers kill the workers while marads kill the buildings lol |
| 04:08.57 | Zeerti | haha |
| 04:09.10 | Zeerti | right. |
| 04:09.18 | Jerub | okay, looked it up |
| 04:09.29 | Jerub | it's 30 vs. 20 damage and 1x vs. 1.8x |
| 04:09.43 | Zeerti | who does 30 damage? |
| 04:09.48 | Jerub | reapers |
| 04:09.54 | Jerub | reapers do 30 damage every 1.8 units |
| 04:09.58 | Zeerti | Like I was saying, it sort of depends |
| 04:10.01 | Jerub | and maruaders do 20 damage every 1 unit |
| 04:10.09 | Zeerti | second* |
| 04:10.22 | Zeerti | Oh nvm I see what you were saying |
| 04:11.21 | Jerub | okay, but in terms of unit cost, ignoring vespene, they're just under twice as good. |
| 04:12.38 | Zeerti | yeah... marauders are much better, but they lack mobility by far |
| 04:13.09 | Jerub | i mean reapers. |
| 04:13.23 | Jerub | sorry, just looking at this from the point of view of 'how do i get an early command center kill' |
| 04:14.02 | Astazha | don't they have detpacks or something? |
| 04:14.20 | Jerub | Astazha: only in the single player campaign |
| 04:14.29 | Astazha | Ah. |
| 04:14.32 | Astazha | <- Zerg player. |
| 04:15.11 | Jerub | Astazha: please explain banelings to me |
| 04:15.19 | Astazha | go boom? |
| 04:15.23 | Jerub | and the infiltrator things. |
| 04:15.25 | Jerub | changelings? |
| 04:15.31 | Jerub | yeah, i want to know more about them. |
| 04:15.48 | Jerub | do they have to get the drop me? or can they just run at a mob of marines and expect to go boom without getting shot down |
| 04:16.25 | Astazha | Ok, banelings detonate for substantial damage in a range. Good against zealots, although whether they're worth the cost is questionable imo. Can detonate for 80 dmg on a building, so it would be good for taking a bunker down fast. |
| 04:16.45 | Astazha | No, a lot of them would get shot, but you can start with zerglings and follow up with banelings just to get them not-targetted |
| 04:16.55 | Astazha | and they have a speed upgrade at tier2 |
| 04:17.22 | Astazha | They morph from Zerglings so I can make them in the field when I see that they'll be needed. |
| 04:17.51 | Jerub | ah, i see. that makes a lot of sense. |
| 04:17.59 | Jerub | i had someone hide them behind a steam wall. |
| 04:18.03 | Jerub | he morphed them there |
| 04:18.10 | FrozenFirebat | are we discussing strategy? |
| 04:18.13 | Astazha | Changelings drop from Overseers and turn your color and look like your basic unit. Good for spying. You can still kill them, but they don't seem to get auto-targetted by photon cannons & the like. |
| 04:18.16 | Jerub | okay, and what do changelings do? |
| 04:18.23 | FrozenFirebat | Banelings are good as landmines |
| 04:18.29 | FrozenFirebat | cause you can detonate them while burrowed |
| 04:18.29 | Astazha | FrozenFirebat: Jerub is asking about the Zerg units |
| 04:18.34 | Jerub | they're just for scouting? |
| 04:18.45 | Jerub | i thougtht they were for some kind of attack |
| 04:18.49 | Astazha | Jerub: yes. and they cost nothing but Overseer energy, which is useful for nothing else. |
| 04:18.59 | FrozenFirebat | changelings are spies, they don't get auto-targetted when seen, and look just like the target's own zealots/zerglings/marines |
| 04:19.00 | Jerub | ah, i see. |
| 04:19.02 | Jerub | i always like to kill them |
| 04:19.15 | Astazha | sure yeah, me having vision of your base = bad |
| 04:19.15 | FrozenFirebat | so if you can get them in unseen they are great scouts |
| 04:19.16 | Jerub | makes sure the opponent knows i'm on top of things |
| 04:19.33 | FrozenFirebat | I like to set follow on one of their units in their rolling ball of death |
| 04:19.43 | FrozenFirebat | and hope they don't notice they can't select one |
| 04:20.52 | Jerub | FrozenFirebat: the M&M&M ball? |
| 04:20.58 | FrozenFirebat | And right now Speedlots > Banelings because the lings move so fast they can bypass your defenses, take out whatever they want and run out of your base before you can destroy a lot of them |
| 04:21.08 | FrozenFirebat | MMM ball, or the Protoss Ball |
| 04:21.22 | FrozenFirebat | Protoss players always seem to keep all their units in one ball |
| 04:21.35 | Bifuu | damn it, where were the SC2Layout files? i always forget where they are |
| 04:21.37 | Astazha | Infestors are a caster. Kindof a replacement for the Defiler. They can move burrowed. They can cast those Infested Terrans which are a time limited marine basically - 50 energy each, they can parasite a unit which allows them to take control of it. Unit has to stay within range of the Infestor. Infestor cannot move. Cannot target air units. Then they have this aoe that immobilizes your units and does 36 damage to them without any |
| 04:22.00 | FrozenFirebat | Layout files were in SC2data file in SC2core |
| 04:22.03 | Jerub | Astazha: i've never seen infestors used. |
| 04:22.09 | FrozenFirebat | I use infestors all the time |
| 04:22.12 | FrozenFirebat | they are awesome vs MM |
| 04:22.17 | Astazha | Infestors are expensive, but a group of 4 or 5 of them can devastate an expansion and then burrow away before you can do anything about it. |
| 04:22.19 | FrozenFirebat | and decent against other zerg |
| 04:22.53 | *** join/#sc2mapster Sholdak (Sholdak@ool-18b9bd8b.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 04:23.24 | Astazha | fun fact: The Infestor aoe kills larva with no problem. |
| 04:23.42 | Astazha | I want to try it out against Interceptors... not sure what to do about Carriers. |
| 04:25.22 | FrozenFirebat | I believe FG only hurts organics |
| 04:25.27 | FrozenFirebat | so interceptors would be unharmed |
| 04:25.36 | Astazha | mmmmmm |
| 04:25.39 | FrozenFirebat | it's not exactly Psi Storm |
| 04:27.21 | Astazha | So aside from the obvious, which is don't let them build a large group of carriers, what do you do about them? I haven't found Corruptors to be effective against large clumps. |
| 04:27.39 | Jerub | i love carriers |
| 04:27.40 | FrozenFirebat | pretty much that is the most effective counter |
| 04:27.55 | FrozenFirebat | You can't really let them build clumps cause now you need 4-5 corruptors per carrier |
| 04:27.57 | Jerub | it means i have a massive attack force i can use to destroy their base and they have .. carriers |
| 04:27.59 | ckknight | Astazha: add your email to http://averageurl.com/sc2/ |
| 04:29.45 | Jerub | Astazha: most forces with AA capability will destroy carriers. |
| 04:29.56 | *** join/#sc2mapster Iggyhopper (~iggyhoppe@adsl-75-18-129-242.dsl.skt2ca.sbcglobal.net) |
| 04:30.04 | ckknight | Astazha: wrong sheet |
| 04:30.09 | Iggyhopper | Hello! |
| 04:30.10 | Jerub | Astazha: i.e. marines/thors/vikings will pull them apart in equal resource expendature |
| 04:30.10 | ckknight | go to sheet "Needs a key" |
| 04:30.16 | ckknight | hey Iggyhopper |
| 04:30.17 | Jerub | i put an arrow on it and everything! |
| 04:30.23 | Bifuu | lol |
| 04:30.28 | Iggyhopper | ok need to update my sheet info |
| 04:30.28 | Bifuu | Its fun watch people fill this in |
| 04:30.45 | Bifuu | You know what we need?! a google wave! |
| 04:30.47 | Bifuu | lol |
| 04:31.02 | Iggyhopper | I have 23 invites |
| 04:31.21 | Jerub | i've got heaps of wave invites too. |
| 04:31.25 | Astazha | ckknight: yeah, took me a sec to notice that. |
| 04:31.26 | Iggyhopper | lol |
| 04:31.33 | ckknight | yea |
| 04:31.47 | Jerub | i wonder how widespread beta will get. |
| 04:31.59 | Bifuu | i dont even know how many invites i have for wave |
| 04:32.03 | Jerub | anyone with experience on how blizzard does betas? |
| 04:32.04 | ckknight | Astazha: gave out keys keys to Corbo and Iggyhopper today |
| 04:32.07 | ckknight | :P |
| 04:32.17 | Astazha | grats to both |
| 04:32.31 | Iggyhopper | yes! |
| 04:32.47 | Bifuu | ha! I have 24 invites to wave Take that |
| 04:32.51 | Iggyhopper | although my computer is just able to run it, good thing I have dual core |
| 04:32.56 | Zeerti | Bifuu you really have that many? |
| 04:33.06 | Bifuu | yea lol |
| 04:33.11 | Astazha | Are we raiding Bobby Kotick next week? I'm hoping another will drop. That's all I need to be epiced. |
| 04:33.15 | Zeerti | how did you manage that? |
| 04:33.20 | Iggyhopper | I run a server too, so I'm hoping turning that off will give me a little better play without the tiny spikes of lag i get |
| 04:33.23 | Bifuu | they just add up |
| 04:33.33 | Zeerti | Do you have multiple accounts? |
| 04:33.37 | Bifuu | this is the first time i logged into wave in like 4 months |
| 04:33.40 | Bifuu | nope just one |
| 04:33.44 | Shirik | only 24? |
| 04:33.48 | Shirik | I have like 40 |
| 04:33.50 | Iggyhopper | yeah wave is good, but, i think it's ahead of its time |
| 04:33.59 | Iggyhopper | once google gets 1gb/ps going, omg |
| 04:34.03 | Bifuu | yeah |
| 04:34.07 | Zeerti | *drool* |
| 04:34.12 | Bifuu | its slows down like really fast |
| 04:34.21 | Shirik | I used a wave invite once when I had like 18 |
| 04:34.27 | Shirik | and then they gave me another 10 |
| 04:34.31 | Zeerti | Oh lol were talking about wave haha |
| 04:34.32 | Iggyhopper | i mean, shit, the average for a good connection with a nice QoS is only 6mb/ps |
| 04:34.51 | Bifuu | i have uhh |
| 04:34.56 | Jerub | i gave a lot of folks here wave invites. |
| 04:34.56 | Bifuu | 1 invite to google voice xD |
| 04:35.03 | Iggyhopper | lol voice |
| 04:35.12 | Zeerti | invite me to the wave. |
| 04:35.13 | Iggyhopper | i also have a microphone too, so i can voice chat on sc2 |
| 04:35.14 | Zeerti | skarrj@gmail.com |
| 04:35.16 | Bifuu | hey i actually use it |
| 04:35.27 | Bifuu | k i got you |
| 04:35.30 | Iggyhopper | I'm also in LEGO universe beta hahah |
| 04:35.33 | Jerub | i haven't seen anyone voicechat in sc2 yet |
| 04:35.41 | Iggyhopper | It's, different. |
| 04:35.51 | Jerub | Iggyhopper: how different? |
| 04:35.52 | Bifuu | Oh now i hate you for that iggy |
| 04:36.01 | Iggyhopper | Let's see... |
| 04:36.17 | Iggyhopper | Chat: Horrible |
| 04:36.18 | Zeerti | I've seen it, its a bit broken ATM |
| 04:36.20 | Bifuu | Invite sent Zeerti |
| 04:36.26 | Zeerti | thanks Bifuu |
| 04:36.28 | Iggyhopper | its only words in a dictionary |
| 04:36.33 | Iggyhopper | you cannot say lol |
| 04:36.43 | Bifuu | in lego? |
| 04:36.47 | Iggyhopper | yes |
| 04:36.59 | Bifuu | probably because its geared for kids i guess lol |
| 04:37.01 | Iggyhopper | like, you start typing l, and "lol" doesnt come up. |
| 04:37.05 | Iggyhopper | yes yesS |
| 04:37.11 | Iggyhopper | I said, suck my carrot. |
| 04:37.15 | Iggyhopper | instead |
| 04:37.26 | Bifuu | they dont want talks of penises and vagina to corrupt the youth! |
| 04:37.52 | Iggyhopper | exactly, except, (the example is me) teens play LEGO too |
| 04:38.08 | Iggyhopper | Also, you cannot move your camera with the mouse, i mean you cant look around like warcraft |
| 04:38.20 | Bifuu | deal breaker there |
| 04:38.33 | Iggyhopper | I don't think you can have spells, but I mean it's a good game and it's got quests. The retail game should be better. |
| 04:38.35 | Astazha | the lack of camera control in the lego StarWars games was pretty fail at times. |
| 04:38.56 | Iggyhopper | It's like a FPS control, but your camera is just third person |
| 04:39.09 | Iggyhopper | you strafe, you dont turn for a and d |
| 04:39.20 | Iggyhopper | or, maybe? I forget |
| 04:39.27 | Iggyhopper | I just know the controls also, were horrible |
| 04:40.11 | Iggyhopper | Good gam though. You can build stuff, I didn't get any weapons that had stats though. Seems kind of dry in that aspect. |
| 04:40.38 | Iggyhopper | Maybe a weapon that "does freeze damage", but that's about it. |
| 04:42.07 | Sixen | Rawr, i'm alive. |
| 04:42.33 | Iggyhopper | Hey dudes. |
| 04:42.35 | Iggyhopper | Dudes! |
| 04:42.49 | Iggyhopper | Okay, so can you both have the same SC2 mod, and play together? |
| 04:43.06 | Astazha | Does anyone know how to grab a list of the possible town locations? The expansion functions return a nearby town to expand to, but I don't think that's going to work. I'm about to embark on doing mineral searches to estimate locations... hoping for an easier way. |
| 04:43.14 | Iggyhopper | Does it just end the game or crash or will it let you play like SC1 does? |
| 04:43.58 | Bifuu | the real issue iggy is |
| 04:44.03 | Bifuu | How will you play together? |
| 04:44.10 | Bifuu | you cant load a custom map and have a lobby |
| 04:44.24 | Bifuu | i meant the only way i cant hink |
| 04:44.31 | Bifuu | is if you edit one of the default maps |
| 04:44.32 | Iggyhopper | no , you mod the mpq itself |
| 04:44.40 | Bifuu | oh |
| 04:44.42 | Bifuu | i get you |
| 04:44.45 | Iggyhopper | see? |
| 04:44.47 | Bifuu | i dunno |
| 04:45.01 | Iggyhopper | yes, so what to try huh? huh? hHUH? YEAH LETS DOO ITTTTTTT |
| 04:45.23 | Bifuu | i cant, gatta find all the flags in this file now =( |
| 04:45.32 | Sixen | What's goin' on? |
| 04:45.45 | Bifuu | finishing up that party |
| 04:45.45 | Iggyhopper | Can two players have a modded MPQ and match up in SC2? |
| 04:45.46 | Sixen | If you edit a ladder map, bnet sends you the correct s2ma automatically |
| 04:46.00 | Bifuu | figured it would |
| 04:46.00 | Iggyhopper | same mod |
| 04:46.02 | Sixen | What has priority, the directory or the s2ma? |
| 04:46.18 | Iggyhopper | well scma overwrites data, if its defined |
| 04:46.26 | Sixen | =/ |
| 04:46.29 | Iggyhopper | but most scma maps do not have all tat stuff |
| 04:46.40 | Iggyhopper | so, not :\ but :)? |
| 04:46.59 | Sixen | If both players have the files in the directories, I supopse it's possible |
| 04:48.12 | Iggyhopper | we shall try |
| 04:48.16 | Iggyhopper | with my tool, hehehe |
| 04:48.25 | Iggyhopper | or ill just give you the file i mod |
| 04:48.27 | Iggyhopper | yah |
| 04:48.49 | Iggyhopper | So I should probably add all you guys in my friends list? |
| 04:49.12 | Sixen | Wouldn't be a bad idea :P |
| 04:52.09 | Iggyhopper | nopers |
| 04:52.18 | Iggyhopper | So six where you live? |
| 04:52.59 | Sixen | Arizona :p |
| 04:53.02 | Zeerti | colorado? |
| 04:53.05 | Zeerti | Ha! |
| 04:53.06 | Zeerti | lol |
| 04:53.20 | Zeerti | I'm in colorado :P |
| 04:53.40 | Iggyhopper | CHECK THIS OUT |
| 04:53.41 | Iggyhopper | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=st5mNFjUAk8 |
| 04:54.10 | Zeerti | rofl I saw that |
| 04:54.16 | Sixen | lol yeah, I saw that too :P |
| 04:54.19 | Zeerti | I like the muta that mass recalls each time it attacks |
| 04:54.24 | Sixen | It like throws 'em.. |
| 04:54.44 | Iggyhopper | i have to try that out, but I'm serious about my sound mod, lol. Well maybe |
| 04:54.52 | Zeerti | what mod? |
| 04:55.05 | Iggyhopper | where i edit all sounds to that of ones i can make wit my flapper |
| 04:55.07 | Sixen | lol |
| 04:55.11 | Sixen | Marines firing makes "PEWPEWPEW" |
| 04:55.12 | Zeerti | Iggy: look at this one |
| 04:55.12 | Zeerti | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDFqFmJ7eZY&NR=1 |
| 04:55.21 | Sixen | Zeerti, that's Hunter_Killers |
| 04:55.28 | Sixen | He's not here atm, but he usually hangs out in here. |
| 04:55.30 | Iggyhopper | I've seen that one, i talked to the guy via t'tube messagages |
| 04:55.40 | Zeerti | its a really cool idea xD |
| 04:56.11 | Bifuu | Do Burrowed lings morph to banelings faster than unburrowed ones? |
| 04:56.17 | Iggyhopper | must be in the attack effect, it adds another behavoir |
| 04:56.25 | Iggyhopper | dont think so |
| 04:56.27 | Astazha | I don't think they can morph burrowed. |
| 04:56.36 | Iggyhopper | they unburrow to morph |
| 04:56.37 | Zeerti | Lings change at the same speed and they can't morph burrowed :D |
| 04:56.43 | Bifuu | hmm |
| 04:56.45 | Iggyhopper | but they do still have that ability while burrowed |
| 04:56.48 | Zeerti | But they can explode burrowed. |
| 04:56.52 | Bifuu | <CAbilMorph id="BanelingAspectFromZerglingBurrowed"> |
| 04:56.54 | Bifuu | it lies! |
| 04:57.06 | Bifuu | <Flags index="FastBuild" value="1"/> |
| 04:57.08 | Bifuu | more lies! |
| 04:57.11 | Iggyhopper | That's just an ability, it probably ordered the unit to unborrow. |
| 04:57.13 | Zeerti | I've never tried it to be perfectly honest. |
| 04:57.26 | Iggyhopper | dunno what that attr does |
| 04:57.33 | Sixen | Someone with US Beta, please bump: http://forums.battle.net/thread.html?topicId=23767562031 |
| 04:57.33 | Sixen | :X |
| 04:57.40 | Iggyhopper | mk |
| 04:57.45 | Astazha | I seem to recall the morph button not being shown while burrowed. |
| 04:57.45 | Sixen | =] |
| 04:57.50 | Zeerti | Sixen I'll do it later |
| 04:57.55 | Bifuu | Oh yea i see the call to unburrow now lol its at the end |
| 04:58.00 | Bifuu | Tricky trick xml |
| 04:58.17 | Zeerti | bwahaha |
| 04:58.17 | Sixen | <3 |
| 04:58.18 | Zeerti | lol |
| 04:58.23 | Zeerti | what is your post about? |
| 04:58.28 | Sixen | SC2Mapster! |
| 04:58.33 | Zeerti | haha |
| 04:58.34 | Bifuu | i wonder what fastbuild means then |
| 04:58.40 | Sixen | Shwos off the editor, TD, and API |
| 04:58.42 | *** join/#sc2mapster Corbo (~thecorbo@190.87.70.212) |
| 04:58.49 | Zeerti | Sixen email me Skarrj@gmail.com |
| 04:58.51 | Iggyhopper | its tricky, its tricky |
| 04:59.06 | Iggyhopper | Hey guys have you ever been able to add a completely new ability and button? |
| 04:59.12 | Iggyhopper | I tried but nothing. |
| 04:59.23 | Sixen | Done. |
| 04:59.23 | Iggyhopper | I mean I thought I copy and pasted everything I needed. |
| 04:59.38 | Bifuu | i made a button |
| 04:59.42 | Bifuu | didnt do anything |
| 04:59.44 | Iggyhopper | No ability get executed, but the button is there |
| 04:59.45 | Bifuu | but i made a button |
| 04:59.49 | Iggyhopper | yeah |
| 04:59.54 | Bifuu | thats what happened to me |
| 05:00.03 | Bifuu | i tried to bring back overload =( but i failed |
| 05:00.18 | Iggyhopper | so did you also try to do a custom button text as well? |
| 05:00.42 | Bifuu | nah i gave up before that |
| 05:00.43 | Bifuu | lol |
| 05:00.45 | Iggyhopper | lol |
| 05:00.48 | Iggyhopper | me to |
| 05:00.54 | Bifuu | its possible tho |
| 05:00.56 | Bifuu | see the TD |
| 05:01.04 | Iggyhopper | ohrly |
| 05:01.06 | Bifuu | go rip it apart and see what they did |
| 05:01.11 | Iggyhopper | its got a completely new ability? |
| 05:01.17 | Bifuu | uhhhhhhh |
| 05:01.19 | Iggyhopper | or they edited existing ones? |
| 05:01.20 | Bifuu | new? no |
| 05:01.21 | Iggyhopper | AHA |
| 05:01.23 | Iggyhopper | lol |
| 05:01.38 | Bifuu | i dont think anything new can be added yet |
| 05:01.45 | Iggyhopper | so you can basically edit the ~30 abilites form various units and put them into one unit |
| 05:01.56 | Corbo | what do you mean with "completely new"? |
| 05:02.08 | Iggyhopper | i mean a new <CAbil id="MyNewAbil"/> |
| 05:02.18 | Corbo | I don't think you can do that. |
| 05:02.25 | Iggyhopper | mmhmm |
| 05:02.41 | Corbo | There is nothing on SC's code to call for. |
| 05:02.53 | Corbo | it'd be like trying to call an unexisting model |
| 05:03.05 | Iggyhopper | but you can add like, sub-actions, or whatever. you know, AbilCmd="StimPack,Execute" |
| 05:03.11 | Iggyhopper | so maybe, err.. |
| 05:03.23 | *** join/#sc2mapster FrozenFirebat (FrozenFire@cpe-76-90-39-208.socal.res.rr.com) |
| 05:04.48 | Corbo | yeah |
| 05:04.57 | Corbo | I know what you mean |
| 05:05.04 | Corbo | but as for know I don't think it's possible. |
| 05:05.16 | Zeerti | anything is possible :) |
| 05:05.47 | Corbo | there might be a way to add new abilities and making them call back to an already made ability |
| 05:05.53 | Corbo | but adding entire new ones right now? |
| 05:05.57 | Corbo | I don't think so |
| 05:06.13 | Corbo | I'd have to poke more, though, I'm still with my research |
| 05:07.48 | Iggyhopper | impossibility is an impossible concept |
| 05:08.43 | Sixen | (10:05:48 PM) Corbo: there might be a way to add new abilities and making them call back to an already made ability |
| 05:08.45 | Zeerti | As of right now, most likely not. |
| 05:08.49 | Zeerti | but you know later on haha |
| 05:08.53 | Sixen | What if we replace the effects or something for the already used ability? |
| 05:10.00 | Corbo | but you'd replace the original one's too. |
| 05:10.12 | Bifuu | only 49 unique flags |
| 05:10.16 | Sixen | ;o |
| 05:10.18 | Bifuu | thought there would be more |
| 05:10.24 | Corbo | and most likely, even if you do reference to something different, you'd end up with just some graphical changes |
| 05:10.31 | Corbo | not really making some fancy effect |
| 05:10.33 | Bifuu | Still which i knew where they were defined |
| 05:10.41 | Corbo | like... dunno paralyze units |
| 05:10.42 | Bifuu | wow |
| 05:10.43 | Corbo | or whatever |
| 05:10.45 | Bifuu | wish |
| 05:11.07 | Sixen | Corbo, what we can do is... |
| 05:11.14 | Sixen | Change the name and such and have it call an already existing affect |
| 05:11.16 | Sixen | change the graphics |
| 05:11.22 | Sixen | It'd be almost as if it's a brand new effect. |
| 05:11.39 | Corbo | it'd just be the same ability with different graphics. |
| 05:12.08 | Sixen | oh |
| 05:12.09 | Sixen | right.. |
| 05:12.31 | Corbo | You know what I mean? |
| 05:12.53 | Corbo | My point is, you could probably make super huge pew pew explosions on a yamato gun |
| 05:12.59 | Corbo | but it'll still be yamato gun |
| 05:13.00 | Corbo | ;o |
| 05:13.11 | Zeerti | Corbo that's already been done for the most part :P |
| 05:13.20 | Zeerti | Let me see if I can find you a link. |
| 05:13.40 | Sixen | Right, I gotcha Corbo. |
| 05:14.05 | Corbo | I know it's been done. |
| 05:14.10 | Corbo | It's not hard ;o |
| 05:14.12 | Zeerti | Have you guys sen the video of the muta that attacks and spawns a billion things. |
| 05:14.22 | Corbo | oh yes |
| 05:14.26 | Corbo | HK's |
| 05:14.27 | Corbo | epic |
| 05:14.29 | Zeerti | mhmm |
| 05:14.45 | Repo | New knowledge base page: http://www.sc2mapster.com/api-docs/game-files/xml/abil-data-xml/flags/ by Bifuu |
| 05:14.50 | FrozenFirebat | spawns a billion things and then NUKES them |
| 05:14.53 | Corbo | NEW KNOWLEDGE! |
| 05:15.09 | FrozenFirebat | He grants us new knowledge every 5 minutes |
| 05:15.13 | Iggyhopper | So the battle cruiser seems like it has multiple attacks. |
| 05:15.22 | Bifuu | i cant even find the page now LOL |
| 05:15.22 | Iggyhopper | And it can attack multiple targets. |
| 05:15.27 | FrozenFirebat | yes |
| 05:15.31 | FrozenFirebat | BC has 6 guns |
| 05:15.34 | Iggyhopper | I want to add that ot a marine or banshee. |
| 05:15.39 | Zeerti | well the BC is a little different. |
| 05:15.46 | Iggyhopper | Yeah. |
| 05:15.49 | FrozenFirebat | one of the first things i'm going to do with the data editor is making a single "Squad" unit |
| 05:15.51 | Zeerti | the BC acts like a bunker lol |
| 05:16.01 | Iggyhopper | Ooh, i totally forget |
| 05:16.24 | Iggyhopper | the bunkers and battle cruisers are basically stemmed from the same thing |
| 05:16.41 | Bifuu | btw someone find where those flags are defined and ill give you a cookie |
| 05:16.42 | Zeerti | right |
| 05:16.51 | Zeerti | find what flags? |
| 05:17.06 | FrozenFirebat | I think he's talking about multiple attack ones |
| 05:17.21 | Zeerti | no clue. |
| 05:17.27 | Zeerti | wouldn't know how to locate it either. |
| 05:17.52 | FrozenFirebat | They went rather overboard with multiple attacks... Reaper, Zealot, Banshee, Viking (both ground and air), BC |
| 05:18.09 | Iggyhopper | eh |
| 05:18.12 | FrozenFirebat | Dispite the power of a BC, it only does 6 dmg, times 6 guns |
| 05:18.17 | Iggyhopper | lol i can put charge on a dt |
| 05:18.31 | Zeerti | dude op |
| 05:18.32 | Iggyhopper | ill look up the stuff right now |
| 05:18.35 | FrozenFirebat | that's scary. |
| 05:18.42 | FrozenFirebat | a unit running at you with a scyth |
| 05:19.19 | Astazha | I assume that multiple attacks are there to increase the value of armor |
| 05:19.28 | Iggyhopper | yes |
| 05:19.37 | Iggyhopper | i think |
| 05:20.09 | Iggyhopper | well one attack at 16 damage gets effected by armor once, but 2x8 gets effected twice |
| 05:20.10 | FrozenFirebat | Hmm... I think I found the file that the Race specific UI borders are defined. |
| 05:20.49 | Sixen | hm? did someone delete a bunch of names off the list? |
| 05:21.06 | Sixen | I think it shrunk. Unless i'm dumb. |
| 05:21.12 | Corbo | I DID |
| 05:21.16 | Iggyhopper | nope i still see lots |
| 05:21.22 | Sixen | =[ |
| 05:21.26 | Corbo | I didn't ;o |
| 05:21.47 | Sixen | psst corbo, what's your charactername.identifier? |
| 05:22.15 | Iggyhopper | I was wondering, if Coli is at level 3, and dropship is at level 1, would coli be able to attack? |
| 05:22.22 | Iggyhopper | cliff level |
| 05:22.32 | Sixen | coli? |
| 05:22.32 | Corbo | corbo.xcorbo |
| 05:22.37 | Iggyhopper | closus |
| 05:22.48 | Sixen | Oh yeah, gotcha. |
| 05:22.52 | Sixen | It can only attack level1 |
| 05:22.55 | Sixen | er |
| 05:22.59 | Sixen | whatever ground is. |
| 05:23.01 | Sixen | Not air |
| 05:23.10 | Corbo | try making DTs jump up/down cliffs! |
| 05:23.12 | Corbo | it's fun! |
| 05:23.26 | Sixen | Rofl |
| 05:23.29 | Sixen | I like your zealots. |
| 05:23.31 | Sixen | Ninja Turtler. |
| 05:23.37 | Sixen | Turtles*. The Zealot marines. |
| 05:23.41 | Corbo | ninja turtler? |
| 05:23.44 | Sixen | -.- |
| 05:23.51 | Iggyhopper | lol ill try that |
| 05:24.00 | Corbo | They're Terran Zealots! |
| 05:24.04 | Corbo | >.> |
| 05:24.10 | Iggyhopper | I think I'll just swap the Unit id's of reapers and DT's |
| 05:24.33 | Sixen | Can you make Zerg Zealots? |
| 05:24.44 | Corbo | you don't have to |
| 05:24.48 | Sixen | owut? |
| 05:24.50 | Corbo | you can change the ability only |
| 05:24.55 | Corbo | and change the mover value |
| 05:25.07 | Corbo | <mover val="cliffjumper"> |
| 05:25.09 | Corbo | or whatever |
| 05:25.14 | Sixen | Oh. Not talking to me. |
| 05:25.20 | Iggyhopper | You can make units in a pylon grid have modifications. |
| 05:25.21 | Corbo | yes |
| 05:25.22 | Iggyhopper | Epic. |
| 05:25.25 | Corbo | ignores sixen |
| 05:25.27 | Sixen | :( |
| 05:25.30 | Iggyhopper | like move speed, attack speed |
| 05:25.31 | Corbo | hmm |
| 05:25.43 | Corbo | I could make zerg zealot |
| 05:25.49 | Corbo | but zealot's too small |
| 05:25.54 | Repo | Knowledge base page update: http://www.sc2mapster.com/api-docs/game-files/xml/abil-data-xml/ by Bifuu |
| 05:25.55 | Corbo | you'd just see itpurple |
| 05:26.01 | Corbo | NEW KNOWLEDGE! |
| 05:26.08 | Bifuu | linked knowledge |
| 05:26.13 | Bifuu | nothing new haha |
| 05:26.14 | Sixen | How about like... Zerg Stalker or Immortal? |
| 05:26.32 | Bifuu | Zerg Colossus |
| 05:26.33 | Corbo | probably |
| 05:26.35 | Bifuu | do it |
| 05:26.53 | Corbo | after I'm done with this research :p |
| 05:26.57 | Sixen | :D |
| 05:27.10 | Sixen | Oh and something I thought of... We could make a Cat n Mouse map next. |
| 05:27.14 | Sixen | Doesn't really require any triggers~ |
| 05:27.19 | FrozenFirebat | XD |
| 05:27.29 | Bifuu | AI cat? |
| 05:27.32 | Sixen | Yar |
| 05:27.32 | Iggyhopper | you guys know how to write XML DTD's or schemas? |
| 05:27.44 | Sixen | Sorry, but did anyone say DTD out loud? |
| 05:27.49 | Sixen | Sounds like the retarded noise. |
| 05:27.50 | Iggyhopper | ye |
| 05:27.54 | Bifuu | lololol |
| 05:28.01 | Zeerti | what the hell are you guys talking about? |
| 05:28.04 | Iggyhopper | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Document_Type_Definition |
| 05:28.04 | Sixen | I had to point that out, :|. |
| 05:28.14 | Bifuu | Sixen |
| 05:28.16 | Sixen | No, I know Iggy. just sayin', ;) |
| 05:28.18 | Bifuu | you have me almost rofling |
| 05:28.23 | Corbo | OMG |
| 05:28.25 | Iggyhopper | lolololololo |
| 05:28.26 | Corbo | CAT N MOUSE |
| 05:28.27 | Corbo | DO EET |
| 05:28.29 | Sixen | That's how I roll, Bif. On the floor. |
| 05:28.35 | Sixen | :D |
| 05:28.36 | Iggyhopper | Cat and moose? |
| 05:28.38 | Iggyhopper | Noooo |
| 05:28.39 | Sixen | rofl |
| 05:28.53 | Sixen | Cat and Mapster. |
| 05:29.17 | Bifuu | that would work if mapster had a mascot |
| 05:29.23 | Sixen | =\ |
| 05:30.03 | Corbo | hmmm |
| 05:30.07 | Corbo | mapster mascot |
| 05:30.18 | Corbo | HOW ABOUT A TURTLE? |
| 05:30.32 | Bifuu | Cat n Mouse with AI is just stupid tho, the AI that is, unless you cript that thing like crazy |
| 05:30.44 | Corbo | of course |
| 05:30.47 | Corbo | OMG |
| 05:30.52 | Corbo | and we can totally name it |
| 05:30.56 | Corbo | SHARKS AND FISHES |
| 05:31.04 | Corbo | or |
| 05:31.09 | Corbo | CROWS AND WORMS! |
| 05:31.26 | Bifuu | or |
| 05:31.32 | Bifuu | FUNGUS AND DEAD THING |
| 05:31.50 | Bifuu | or |
| 05:31.53 | Bifuu | FLIES AND SHIT |
| 05:32.01 | Zeerti | flies and shit doesn't work. |
| 05:32.07 | Corbo | I agree. |
| 05:32.11 | Bifuu | why not?! |
| 05:32.17 | Corbo | cause shit doesn't move >.> |
| 05:32.17 | Zeerti | flies like shit |
| 05:32.27 | Bifuu | Dead things dont move and you didnt disagree there |
| 05:32.35 | Bifuu | but shit doesnt want to be eaten |
| 05:32.39 | Corbo | I wasn't reading |
| 05:32.40 | Zeerti | LOL! |
| 05:32.55 | Corbo | k this is turning a bit awkward now |
| 05:33.01 | Zeerti | naw |
| 05:33.05 | Corbo | yes |
| 05:33.07 | Bifuu | BIFUU AND CORBO FOR DISAGREEING |
| 05:33.09 | Corbo | we're taking about eating shit |
| 05:33.21 | Bifuu | oh oh |
| 05:33.22 | Corbo | how is that NOT awkward? ;o |
| 05:33.27 | Bifuu | BIFUU AND XML =/ |
| 05:33.36 | Zeerti | Is the chat gem still in SC2? |
| 05:33.46 | Bifuu | Sixen plays, so yes |
| 05:33.52 | Bifuu | =P |
| 05:34.15 | Corbo | brb |
| 05:34.21 | Corbo | finishing up that stupid research |
| 05:35.03 | Iggyhopper | http://paste.sc2mapster.com/1855/ |
| 05:35.08 | Iggyhopper | ok resarch don |
| 05:35.17 | Iggyhopper | i copy pasted all linked values into oene |
| 05:35.46 | Iggyhopper | looks like it has a launchmissle |
| 05:35.50 | Iggyhopper | action |
| 05:36.01 | Bifuu | -6 food? O.o lol |
| 05:37.24 | Iggyhopper | imma mod a marine right now |
| 05:37.43 | Zeerti | can someone email me a modded unit? I honestly can't figure out how to do it. |
| 05:37.51 | Zeerti | Like just save it to a .txt file. |
| 05:37.59 | Iggyhopper | sure |
| 05:38.05 | Iggyhopper | whats your email agian |
| 05:38.06 | Iggyhopper | ? |
| 05:38.08 | Iggyhopper | lol |
| 05:38.08 | Zeerti | skarrj@gmail.com |
| 05:38.11 | Iggyhopper | k |
| 05:38.14 | Bifuu | Why not just use the paste bin >.> |
| 05:38.17 | Iggyhopper | or that |
| 05:38.18 | FrozenFirebat | alright, i'm off to play some 2v2... If anybody wants to join me after my partner goes to bed, Name is Frozen.Firebat |
| 05:38.19 | Iggyhopper | yeah |
| 05:38.28 | Bifuu | then you share with everyone! |
| 05:38.32 | Iggyhopper | lol |
| 05:38.37 | Zeerti | what is the pastebin? lol |
| 05:39.01 | Iggyhopper | either a paste site like pastebin.org or .com, or this sc2mapster paste |
| 05:39.04 | Bifuu | like the think Igg just linked |
| 05:39.08 | Bifuu | http://paste.sc2mapster.com/1855/ |
| 05:39.15 | Zeerti | well anything works I just want to see lol |
| 05:40.52 | Zeerti | What the hell does this mean |
| 05:40.52 | Zeerti | <TargetFilters value="Ground,Visible;Missile,Stasis,Dead,Hidden,Invulnerable"/> |
| 05:41.02 | Bifuu | i still need to think of something useful to make and upload so i can be an "author" lol |
| 05:41.07 | Bifuu | that means |
| 05:41.20 | Bifuu | Ground and Visible units can be targeted |
| 05:41.27 | Bifuu | all the stuff after that ; cannot |
| 05:41.35 | Zeerti | ah |
| 05:41.58 | Zeerti | Anyone know what other values there are for the following? |
| 05:42.06 | Zeerti | <AcquirePrioritization value="ByAngle"/> |
| 05:42.27 | Bifuu | What do you mean? |
| 05:42.37 | FrozenFirebat | I'm back on the first question... can you make it so that a BC can shoot down missiles coming at it? |
| 05:42.44 | Bifuu | and i documeted most of the weapon data stuff already on the wiki |
| 05:42.48 | Iggyhopper | yeah i think so |
| 05:42.50 | FrozenFirebat | by just making a Targetfilter allowing it? |
| 05:42.54 | Zeerti | Well the value of that one is "ByAngle" can it be by something else? |
| 05:42.59 | Iggyhopper | yeah i think it can |
| 05:43.03 | Bifuu | yea Frozen |
| 05:43.08 | FrozenFirebat | something i'll have to play with later |
| 05:43.09 | Iggyhopper | find the point defense drones weapon |
| 05:43.09 | Corbo | NO YOU CANT |
| 05:43.18 | Corbo | NOTHNG IS POSSIBLY IN SCII |
| 05:43.19 | Bifuu | ^ |
| 05:43.23 | Corbo | I SHOULD |
| 05:43.24 | Zeerti | Corbo stfu lol |
| 05:43.26 | Bifuu | not ^ to corbo |
| 05:43.27 | Corbo | REALLY FINISH THIS |
| 05:43.41 | Iggyhopper | Okay so I think I have to close chrome because I only have 1gb of memory, lol. |
| 05:43.48 | Iggyhopper | if i want to run sc2 |
| 05:44.05 | Bifuu | O.o |
| 05:44.08 | FrozenFirebat | hmm... now I had an idea for a custom unit now... something that's entire purpose was to shoot down 1 missile per second. would make a nifty support unit |
| 05:44.26 | Bifuu | Ravens have that unit =P |
| 05:44.43 | Iggyhopper | ok so i modded an SCV, so imma go launch SC2 now. |
| 05:44.45 | Zeerti | Ravens shoot down everything :) |
| 05:44.45 | FrozenFirebat | instead of the drone which costs energy and supresses all missiles while the mana lasts |
| 05:44.53 | Bifuu | o |
| 05:45.06 | Zeerti | You just need to put a cooldown of 1 sec instead of 0 |
| 05:45.14 | Zeerti | remove the mana cost or keep one? |
| 05:46.01 | Bifuu | <TargetFilters value="Missile,Visible;Self,Player,Ally,Neutral,Stasis,Dead,Hidden,Invulnerable"/> |
| 05:46.01 | Bifuu | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:46.04 | Bifuu | thast all you need |
| 05:46.13 | Astazha | BroodLords should shoot tiny Ultralisks. |
| 05:46.18 | Zeerti | LOL! |
| 05:46.22 | Jerub | Astazha: i don't understand. |
| 05:46.23 | Zeerti | Set it up to do so. |
| 05:46.24 | Bifuu | rofl |
| 05:46.28 | Jerub | Astazha: why do you say 'tiny' ? |
| 05:46.43 | Astazha | Broodling sized |
| 05:47.04 | Corbo | what's |
| 05:47.05 | Corbo | 77 |
| 05:47.05 | Zeerti | problem would be that it won't make much sense. |
| 05:47.08 | Corbo | + 13.5 |
| 05:47.10 | Corbo | + 6 |
| 05:47.20 | Zeerti | because I feel like you would see the broodlings floating around the broodlord |
| 05:47.20 | Corbo | please tell me is almost a hundred |
| 05:47.22 | Corbo | and I'm done |
| 05:47.22 | Jerub | >>> 77+13.5+6 |
| 05:47.22 | Jerub | 96.5 |
| 05:47.25 | Corbo | YES |
| 05:47.28 | Zeerti | and then shoot ultras |
| 05:47.44 | Corbo | I'm still missing a 3.5% of housing investment hmm... |
| 05:47.47 | Bifuu | lol |
| 05:48.01 | Astazha | I had the impression that they weren't part of the same model, since the broodlord sometimes shows only 1 or none. |
| 05:48.10 | Astazha | but idk |
| 05:48.27 | Astazha | I'm an AI guy, haven't messed with mods at all. |
| 05:48.30 | Bifuu | Uhh |
| 05:48.35 | Bifuu | I think they are different |
| 05:48.59 | Bifuu | because they funtion like interceptors, they need to be "built", the game just builds them passively |
| 05:49.33 | Zeerti | I have no idae |
| 05:49.34 | Zeerti | idea* |
| 05:49.39 | Zeerti | someone want to look it up? |
| 05:50.41 | Jerub | what i find annoying is how long it takes to set down/pickup from a medivac |
| 05:51.07 | Bifuu | you can cahnge that =P |
| 05:51.16 | Bifuu | change |
| 05:51.23 | Zeerti | they pick up instantly |
| 05:51.34 | Zeerti | set down 1/.5sec |
| 05:51.37 | Jerub | Bifuu: i'm playing 1v1 competitively, notmodding. |
| 05:52.02 | Jerub | but i appreciate the sentiment! |
| 05:52.06 | Sixen | hehe |
| 05:52.40 | Bifuu | oh |
| 05:52.41 | Bifuu | well |
| 05:52.43 | Bifuu | =( |
| 05:52.47 | Bifuu | Sixen! |
| 05:52.50 | Sixen | rawr. |
| 05:53.14 | Bifuu | Make vjeux give me the math project xD |
| 05:53.43 | Zeerti | const string c_ZR_QueenDamagePlague |
| 05:53.44 | Jerub | Zeerti: does that vary according to uni tsize? |
| 05:53.48 | Zeerti | what the hell is that? |
| 05:53.52 | Bifuu | i want to add more to it but it would be stupid to add a "Advanced Mathmatic Functions" |
| 05:54.04 | Zeerti | lol |
| 05:54.31 | Zeerti | Jerub I think it drops all at the same rate |
| 05:54.44 | Jerub | considers thor rushes |
| 05:54.47 | Bifuu | yea its same rate for everything |
| 05:54.52 | Zeerti | can only carry 1 thor :) |
| 05:54.53 | Sixen | Bif, the math prj was uploaded to Mapster, I think. |
| 05:54.58 | Jerub | Sixen: maths? |
| 05:55.07 | Bifuu | i know it was im looking at it |
| 05:55.13 | Bifuu | its needs moar math |
| 05:55.25 | Sixen | Click download :P |
| 05:55.42 | Bifuu | i have it! i want to add to it, and re upload it |
| 05:55.52 | Bifuu | i want green name damn it! |
| 05:55.54 | Jerub | http://forums.battle.net/thread.html?topicId=23766993828&sid=5000 interesting bug |
| 05:55.57 | Sixen | Ooooooooh |
| 05:56.01 | Zeerti | what is the bug Jerub? |
| 05:56.07 | Jerub | infester range. |
| 05:56.12 | Jerub | someone bugge dit to get infinite range |
| 05:56.18 | Zeerti | wow lol |
| 05:57.21 | Sixen | added to the prj, bif |
| 05:57.26 | Sixen | youshould be able to upload |
| 05:57.35 | Corbo | YES |
| 05:57.38 | Corbo | I AM DONE |
| 05:57.42 | Bifuu | yay |
| 05:57.44 | Sixen | With what? :P |
| 05:57.52 | Corbo | research |
| 05:58.08 | Sixen | oh=] |
| 06:01.41 | Corbo | k so |
| 06:01.53 | Corbo | i don't feel like continuing the tutorial for now. |
| 06:01.59 | Corbo | what should I do? |
| 06:02.02 | Corbo | new ability? |
| 06:02.43 | Sixen | That'd be pretty sweet. |
| 06:02.46 | Sixen | Zerg Colossus too |
| 06:02.51 | Corbo | pick one |
| 06:03.03 | Sixen | Zerg Colossus imo |
| 06:03.17 | Corbo | bleh you picked the hardest one |
| 06:03.24 | Corbo | brb |
| 06:03.25 | Corbo | restarting |
| 06:03.31 | Astazha | Ultralisk with eye-lasers ; ) |
| 06:03.37 | Sixen | =/ |
| 06:05.36 | *** join/#sc2mapster Corbo (~thecorbo@190.87.70.212) |
| 06:06.18 | Astazha | god... my kingdom for a compiler |
| 06:06.59 | Astazha | hopefully Lapin will have his supporting multi-dim arrays soon |
| 06:08.12 | Corbo | sixen |
| 06:08.23 | Corbo | I have SCII installed like 3 times |
| 06:08.43 | Corbo | And it's YOUR fault ;o |
| 06:08.49 | Sixen | My fault? |
| 06:08.54 | Sixen | You shouldn't have had the first two installs :P |
| 06:09.17 | Sixen | You're right Corbo, it's my fault. I'm sorry for getting you a legal version. |
| 06:09.29 | Corbo | :P |
| 06:09.56 | Corbo | Why did they have to do actual real normal maps |
| 06:10.04 | Corbo | and not just desaturated crappy ones. |
| 06:10.07 | Sixen | =/ |
| 06:10.20 | Corbo | It's like two times as much work. |
| 06:10.30 | *** join/#sc2mapster Iggyhopper (~iggyhoppe@adsl-75-18-129-242.dsl.skt2ca.sbcglobal.net) |
| 06:10.35 | Corbo | you said... stalker right? |
| 06:11.39 | Iggyhopper | hi |
| 06:11.42 | Iggyhopper | im back |
| 06:11.42 | Sixen | Stalker, immortal, Colossus. |
| 06:11.42 | Corbo | Hi |
| 06:11.43 | Sixen | Whatever~ |
| 06:11.48 | Corbo | Okay |
| 06:11.48 | Iggyhopper | what did i miss? |
| 06:11.53 | Corbo | well |
| 06:11.55 | Corbo | I made sixen mad |
| 06:11.59 | Iggyhopper | aw |
| 06:12.15 | Corbo | yup |
| 06:12.19 | Corbo | and then |
| 06:12.23 | Corbo | he flew away |
| 06:12.25 | Sixen | I was kidding, :O |
| 06:12.31 | Iggyhopper | wow |
| 06:12.33 | Iggyhopper | loolol |
| 06:13.04 | Iggyhopper | ok well i might just get an irc client so i dont have to go throug my browser |
| 06:13.18 | Iggyhopper | kk so brb again |
| 06:13.37 | Astazha | which reminds me... anyone recommend a free irc client? I'm on a mirc trial atm. |
| 06:13.45 | Corbo | lool |
| 06:13.49 | Corbo | I'm on mirc trial too |
| 06:13.56 | Bifuu | im not! >.. |
| 06:14.02 | Bifuu | not very legal either... |
| 06:14.05 | Bifuu | >.> |
| 06:14.06 | Bifuu | <.< |
| 06:14.06 | Corbo | Oh I see what you mean :P |
| 06:14.20 | Corbo | REVERSE ENGINEERING! |
| 06:14.22 | Corbo | BAN! |
| 06:14.46 | Bifuu | >.< |
| 06:15.01 | Bifuu | Why is uploading a file so complicated, do i really have to enter the name of it again? lol |
| 06:15.27 | Sixen | So, i'm contemplating advertising in the SC2GDF on bnet. |
| 06:15.31 | Sixen | =/ |
| 06:16.06 | Corbo | GDF? |
| 06:17.06 | Jerub | Astazha: irssi in screen on a colo box is the best way to irc |
| 06:17.12 | Sixen | General Discussion forums. |
| 06:17.47 | Bifuu | yay Green name xP |
| 06:18.10 | Corbo | hmmm |
| 06:18.23 | Corbo | what's colossus_carrier1? |
| 06:18.26 | Corbo | nothing? |
| 06:18.27 | Astazha | thanks Jerub, I'll check irssi out. What is a colo box? |
| 06:18.54 | Jerub | Astazha: i use linode |
| 06:19.05 | Bifuu | Its a carrier that shoots out colossi |
| 06:19.10 | Jerub | that is to say, i don't run the software locally, i run it on a machine in a datacenter. |
| 06:19.17 | Jerub | and i connect to it via ssh |
| 06:19.28 | Astazha | I see |
| 06:24.07 | Bifuu | haha thread on the beta forums http://forums.battle.net/thread.html?topicId=23767193656&sid=5000 |
| 06:24.16 | Bifuu | "mi nessecito mas pylonas!! PORRR QUEEE PYLONAAS!?" |
| 06:24.24 | Bifuu | i had to lol |
| 06:27.08 | Bifuu | Well fine apparently im the only one =( you guys suck |
| 06:30.21 | Jerub | so is it possible for me to hack my mpqs and play online with bnet after hacking? |
| 06:31.24 | Bifuu | Not with the hacked MPQs no |
| 06:31.49 | Bifuu | if the people on bnet your playing with have them, then maybe |
| 06:31.53 | Bifuu | not really been tested |
| 06:32.22 | Jerub | i just want to change some sound files. |
| 06:32.23 | Jerub | :/ |
| 06:35.34 | Bifuu | just save the original files if you ganna play with the mods and change them out |
| 06:35.45 | Bifuu | or just fuck with a map |
| 06:38.15 | Zeerti | I want to have a southpark SC2 |
| 06:38.24 | Zeerti | Where everything is a southpark audio file |
| 06:39.40 | FrozenFirebat | lol... instead of your base is under attack... OHh My GOD, you killed Kenny! |
| 06:41.14 | Bifuu | haha you should try that, maybe you can use audio files |
| 06:41.25 | Bifuu | i mean you can complete delete the mod and still play |
| 06:41.42 | Zeerti | aye |
| 06:41.49 | Zeerti | It would be pretty cool :D |
| 06:41.58 | *** join/#sc2mapster vjeux (~vjeuxx@vol75-8-82-233-237-91.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 06:42.03 | vjeux | hey all |
| 06:42.24 | *** join/#sc2mapster Iggyhopper (~iggyhoppe@75.18.129.242) |
| 06:42.37 | Sixen | mornin' vjexu |
| 06:43.05 | vjeux | Sixen, your news on diablofans bring 500 uniques :) |
| 06:43.11 | Corbo | lol I have no idea what am I doing |
| 06:43.16 | vjeux | brought |
| 06:43.18 | Iggyhopper | hi |
| 06:43.21 | Iggyhopper | i make screenie |
| 06:43.31 | Sixen | :) |
| 06:43.39 | Sixen | vjeux, more news coming on the rest of the fansites coming soon as well |
| 06:43.44 | Sixen | I also just posted in the SC2GDF |
| 06:43.47 | Bifuu | OMFG |
| 06:43.51 | Sixen | Tried to cut it down so I don't get banned. |
| 06:44.16 | Bifuu | Nicole Sherzinger on Dancing with the stars?! i just might have to watch for her hahahaha |
| 06:44.23 | Bifuu | shes hawwwwwwwt |
| 06:44.32 | Bifuu | ok any ways |
| 06:44.34 | Bifuu | >.> |
| 06:44.35 | Zeerti | idk who that is lol |
| 06:44.42 | Zeerti | I have a hot girlfriend. No lies |
| 06:44.42 | Zeerti | :D |
| 06:44.53 | vjeux | Bifuu, thanks for the math update :) |
| 06:44.56 | Bifuu | Pussycat Dolls lead singer |
| 06:45.00 | Zeerti | math updates |
| 06:45.01 | Zeerti | lol |
| 06:45.04 | vjeux | Zeerti: screen or it didn't happen |
| 06:45.05 | Bifuu | np, i just wanted a green name xD |
| 06:45.13 | Zeerti | working on it :) |
| 06:45.29 | Iggyhopper | http://new.iggyhopper.dyndns.org/Public/sc2a.jpg |
| 06:45.32 | Iggyhopper | should be it |
| 06:45.56 | vjeux | you are an artist Iggyhopper: ) |
| 06:46.02 | Iggyhopper | lol |
| 06:46.09 | Zeerti | http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h284/Zeerti/Webcam5.png |
| 06:46.10 | Zeerti | and |
| 06:46.16 | Zeerti | http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h284/Zeerti/LexiDoodle.jpg |
| 06:46.20 | Jerub | http://forums.battle.net/thread.html?topicId=23767193850&sid=5000 |
| 06:46.20 | Zeerti | :D |
| 06:46.25 | vjeux | chat roulette doesn't work! |
| 06:46.26 | Iggyhopper | Jerub: wtf! |
| 06:46.33 | Iggyhopper | i mean Zeerti! |
| 06:46.40 | Zeerti | What? :) |
| 06:46.45 | Iggyhopper | wtf pic |
| 06:46.54 | Zeerti | whats wrong with the pic? |
| 06:47.08 | Iggyhopper | its lol |
| 06:47.12 | Zeerti | Shes adorable |
| 06:47.17 | Sixen | vjeux! HelloWorld prj! |
| 06:47.26 | Iggyhopper | HellowWorld(); |
| 06:47.32 | Iggyhopper | return 0; |
| 06:47.55 | Bifuu | Oh btw |
| 06:48.03 | Bifuu | What XML should i document next? |
| 06:48.11 | Zeerti | The broodlord |
| 06:48.14 | Zeerti | Bifuu |
| 06:48.16 | Zeerti | Broodlord :D |
| 06:48.26 | Iggyhopper | yeaah |
| 06:48.27 | Bifuu | thasta unit not an xml lol |
| 06:48.31 | Sixen | :( |
| 06:48.35 | Zeerti | Do it anyways! :D |
| 06:48.42 | Zeerti | Idk what xml doc's there are |
| 06:48.43 | Sixen | Well Bif, you could fix UnitData if you'd like |
| 06:48.54 | Zeerti | I haven't had time to look around the mpq |
| 06:48.56 | vjeux | RaceData |
| 06:48.59 | Sixen | Otherwise, i'll get around to it :p |
| 06:49.09 | Bifuu | RaceData is so easy |
| 06:49.19 | vjeux | that's the point :p |
| 06:49.34 | Bifuu | you might want to do Unit data, id prolly end up doing it from scratch if i did it lol |
| 06:49.37 | Zeerti | Hey guys, what do you think of this picture? |
| 06:49.37 | Zeerti | http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h284/Zeerti/James9.jpg |
| 06:49.48 | vjeux | gay |
| 06:50.07 | Zeerti | Gay huh? |
| 06:50.08 | vjeux | (is that you? :P) |
| 06:50.12 | Zeerti | Yeah lol. |
| 06:50.13 | Zeerti | haha |
| 06:50.40 | vjeux | don't take pictures with the toilets behind ... that's really not good :p |
| 06:50.40 | Bifuu | Ill Document CameraData |
| 06:50.47 | Bifuu | <?xml version="1.0" encoding="us-ascii"?> |
| 06:50.47 | Bifuu | <Catalog/> |
| 06:50.48 | Bifuu | done |
| 06:50.50 | vjeux | xD |
| 06:50.51 | Bifuu | ok whats next |
| 06:50.52 | Zeerti | toilet = Awesome |
| 06:51.25 | Bifuu | i actually should do ValidatorData because i link to it in abildata |
| 06:51.45 | Zeerti | just do something interesting. I actually like reading all the documentation :D |
| 06:52.08 | vjeux | we really need a latest changes |
| 06:52.53 | Bifuu | well Validators isnt interesting at all lol |
| 06:53.01 | Repo | Knowledge base page update: http://www.sc2mapster.com/api-docs/functions/unit-group-alliance/ by vjeux |
| 06:53.18 | Bifuu | Name="NotQueen" Unit="Queen" value="0" |
| 06:53.30 | Bifuu | anyone can get that xD |
| 06:54.07 | Repo | Knowledge base page update: http://www.sc2mapster.com/api-docs/functions/ by vjeux |
| 06:54.07 | vjeux | yep |
| 06:54.11 | Sixen | *sigh*... |
| 06:54.23 | Sixen | I wish Kaelten could add me to Analytics. He says he did, but it doesn't show up o my acct. |
| 06:54.23 | vjeux | a queen is unique right? |
| 06:54.32 | vjeux | erg |
| 06:54.34 | Sixen | No, you can have multiple queens. |
| 06:54.42 | Sixen | Only 1 per hatchery though |
| 06:54.51 | Bifuu | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:54.51 | Bifuu | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:54.51 | Bifuu | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:54.51 | Bifuu | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:54.51 | Bifuu | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:54.51 | Bifuu | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:54.51 | Bifuu | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:54.51 | Zeerti | That's not true Sixen |
| 06:54.52 | Bifuu | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:54.52 | Bifuu | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:54.53 | Sixen | I think? |
| 06:55.04 | Zeerti | Sixen you can have as many queens as you want. |
| 06:55.06 | Astazha | You can build as many Queens as you want. |
| 06:55.07 | Sixen | Orly? |
| 06:55.07 | Bifuu | I mean, even Sixen can Document that |
| 06:55.10 | Zeerti | Yeah. |
| 06:55.14 | Sixen | Hey Bif. :(. |
| 06:55.15 | Bifuu | =P |
| 06:55.20 | Bifuu | i kid i kid |
| 06:55.21 | Sixen | I did AchievementsData.xml |
| 06:55.23 | Sixen | So get off meh. |
| 06:55.30 | Zeerti | achievements dada?! |
| 06:55.33 | Zeerti | Link |
| 06:55.33 | Sixen | YARLY |
| 06:55.37 | Astazha | only 1 per Hatch is useful for spawning larva, but she can also heal and spawn creep. |
| 06:55.56 | Sixen | http://www.sc2mapster.com/api-docs/game-files/xml/achievement-data-xml/ |
| 06:55.58 | Bifuu | The way this is set up though i really need ck to take out the auto sort |
| 06:56.07 | Iggyhopper | ;lol |
| 06:56.09 | Sixen | Vjeux: "Approval queue (Nothing)" |
| 06:56.09 | Zeerti | ty |
| 06:56.13 | Sixen | There's no HelloWorld project :( |
| 06:56.35 | vjeux | Sixen: imo the td is a much better hello world project |
| 06:56.39 | Iggyhopper | what is Repo? |
| 06:56.45 | vjeux | a bot |
| 06:57.12 | Iggyhopper | o |
| 06:57.23 | Bifuu | yeah ill do Validators later |
| 06:57.43 | Bifuu | Tomorrow i might just go through and document the parent nodes for each |
| 06:57.53 | Iggyhopper | hey anyone want to test out a simple mod? |
| 06:57.53 | Sixen | yeah but vjeux, it's two different maps :P |
| 06:57.59 | Iggyhopper | adn see if we can match up |
| 06:58.00 | Iggyhopper | ? |
| 06:58.12 | Sixen | People can DL the HelloWorld and test things out without being intimidated by the TD func's. |
| 06:58.48 | Iggyhopper | vjeux wat did you change on funclist? |
| 06:59.01 | vjeux | added a description of UnitCargo |
| 06:59.08 | vjeux | you can get the history |
| 06:59.11 | Iggyhopper | o ok |
| 06:59.59 | Zeerti | holy crap there are a lot of colors |
| 07:00.20 | Zeerti | White, Red, Blue, Teal, Purple, Yellow, Orange, Green, Pink, Violet, Light Grey, Dark Green, Brown, Light Green, Dark Grey, Lavender |
| 07:00.43 | Iggyhopper | yeah |
| 07:00.46 | Iggyhopper | 16 colors |
| 07:01.07 | Bifuu | Custom Maps can hold 16 players =P maybe, probably |
| 07:01.21 | Bifuu | wtb 8v8 melee! |
| 07:01.25 | Zeerti | LOL! |
| 07:01.31 | Bifuu | or 2v2v2v2v2v2v2v2 |
| 07:01.57 | Zeerti | There can be up to 16 people with 8 playing and 8 spectating |
| 07:02.17 | Zeerti | but... idk about 16 all playing haha |
| 07:02.33 | Zeerti | They last said that 12 would be able to play in custom games. |
| 07:02.48 | Zeerti | that way "Dota" like games would be possible lol. |
| 07:04.01 | Astazha | wonder why c_maxPlayers=32 |
| 07:04.28 | Zeerti | no clue |
| 07:04.39 | Zeerti | they may have changed it |
| 07:04.42 | Bifuu | People specualte 16 players and 16 computers |
| 07:04.42 | Zeerti | return PlayerColorName(PlayerGetColorIndex(player, false)); |
| 07:04.46 | Zeerti | why is that false at the end? |
| 07:04.55 | vjeux | Zeerti: no idea |
| 07:05.00 | *** join/#sc2mapster veselu (~mpalade@gateway.streamwide.ro) |
| 07:05.02 | vjeux | true or false always give the same results |
| 07:05.05 | Sixen | Perhaps 16 players and 16 Speculators? |
| 07:05.08 | Sixen | er |
| 07:05.10 | Sixen | Spectator* |
| 07:05.12 | Zeerti | sixen that may be possible |
| 07:05.13 | veselu | hello |
| 07:05.17 | Sixen | Heya vesu |
| 07:05.20 | Sixen | vese*~ |
| 07:05.23 | Zeerti | Sixen: LOL SPECULATORS :) |
| 07:05.26 | Bifuu | Why would you want to spectate a custom game lol |
| 07:05.40 | Zeerti | well if its a game like dota... :) |
| 07:05.41 | vjeux | or 16 players + 16 computers |
| 07:05.46 | Jerub | Bifuu: i'd love to spectate some games. |
| 07:05.52 | Zeerti | I've always wanted to spectate a game |
| 07:05.56 | Jerub | Bifuu: like seeing ckknight do a commandcenter rush |
| 07:06.03 | Iggyhopper | http://new.iggyhopper.dyndns.org/SC2S Also http://new.iggyhopper.dyndns.org/Public |
| 07:06.03 | Jerub | that was logs |
| 07:06.04 | Bifuu | lol |
| 07:06.04 | Jerub | er lols |
| 07:06.16 | vjeux | who wants to see me playing mapster TD? :p |
| 07:06.23 | Zeerti | I do! |
| 07:06.35 | Zeerti | Got a livestream or something? |
| 07:06.44 | Bifuu | MINI COLOSSI! |
| 07:06.52 | Sixen | What's that marine shooting...? |
| 07:07.06 | vjeux | you would be disappointed Zeerti :p |
| 07:07.12 | Zeerti | Nawe |
| 07:07.14 | Zeerti | Naw* |
| 07:07.16 | Iggyhopper | somebody has to go to the Public link up there ^ , download GameData.xml, unzip it inside your sc2 beta folder |
| 07:07.20 | Iggyhopper | and then we play |
| 07:07.36 | Iggyhopper | photon cannon bullets |
| 07:07.43 | Zeerti | rofl |
| 07:07.48 | vjeux | Iggyhopper where are you located? (US?) |
| 07:07.57 | Zeerti | he is in Oklahoma |
| 07:08.00 | Iggyhopper | yes |
| 07:08.04 | Iggyhopper | in cali |
| 07:08.06 | Bifuu | Mini Ultra looks like a WoW non combat pet lol |
| 07:08.08 | vjeux | that's why it's really slow :p |
| 07:08.08 | Corbo | k |
| 07:08.17 | Zeerti | really? haha |
| 07:08.18 | Iggyhopper | lol |
| 07:08.18 | Corbo | time to try out this really bad texture I made in less than 30 minutes |
| 07:08.37 | Iggyhopper | its also on my desktop computer |
| 07:08.53 | Iggyhopper | i run the sever on the same pc i use everyday |
| 07:09.17 | Zeerti | let me know how your texture looks hahds |
| 07:09.46 | Zeerti | haha* |
| 07:10.24 | Bifuu | Ah well time for me to get some sleep, later peoples |
| 07:10.30 | Iggyhopper | noo |
| 07:10.32 | Astazha | gnite |
| 07:10.36 | Zeerti | nighttt |
| 07:10.36 | vjeux | night |
| 07:10.43 | Iggyhopper | whos wants to playa modded SC? |
| 07:10.51 | Iggyhopper | with meh? |
| 07:10.53 | Zeerti | iggy I would love to if I was at home |
| 07:10.57 | Iggyhopper | noooooooo |
| 07:11.03 | Iggyhopper | more disappoint |
| 07:11.33 | Zeerti | and my comp was working :P |
| 07:11.41 | Iggyhopper | aw i gtg now |
| 07:11.52 | Iggyhopper | ok see you guys tomorow |
| 07:12.32 | Corbo | hmmmm |
| 07:12.45 | Corbo | how do I make this normal map... |
| 07:12.51 | Zeerti | ? |
| 07:13.06 | Zeerti | I have a question, what happens if you try to play melee with a modded map? |
| 07:13.24 | vjeux | the whole world explodes |
| 07:13.38 | Zeerti | does it just download it again or does it error out? |
| 07:14.25 | Zeerti | someone want to try it? |
| 07:15.40 | Corbo | on b.net? |
| 07:15.45 | Zeerti | yeah |
| 07:15.47 | Corbo | probably what vjeux said |
| 07:15.51 | Zeerti | rofl |
| 07:15.59 | Corbo | unless they're just graphical changes |
| 07:16.04 | vjeux | does anyone know what are markers (MarkerCastingUnit, MarkerSetMatchFlag, MarkerSetMismatchFlag) |
| 07:16.17 | Corbo | no clue |
| 07:16.24 | Zeerti | I think I might know |
| 07:17.06 | Zeerti | Marks a unit depending on their action then that marked unit could be a stored variable that you could recall later to have that unit do thing. |
| 07:17.10 | Zeerti | only thing I can think of. |
| 07:17.44 | vjeux | http://paste.sc2mapster.com/1856/ |
| 07:17.58 | vjeux | are these abilities like the mark of the hunter in wow? |
| 07:18.23 | Astazha | I believe markers set a target as already receiving a cast, used to avoid casting conflicts like 2 heals on the same target. |
| 07:18.36 | Zeerti | Ah that makes sense. |
| 07:18.44 | Zeerti | Uhm... |
| 07:18.57 | Zeerti | What do you mean by like MOW |
| 07:19.27 | Zeerti | vjeux: In what aspect do you mean? |
| 07:19.47 | vjeux | I like the Astazha theory :P |
| 07:19.54 | Zeerti | it makes sens.e |
| 07:20.25 | Astazha | I haven't messed with them, that's just what I get from the context I've seen them in in some of Blizzard's functions in the tactical files. |
| 07:20.28 | Zeerti | vjeux, what sense of the hunters mark do you mean? Like increases damage? targets one units...? |
| 07:20.41 | vjeux | having a visual effect |
| 07:20.55 | Zeerti | Growth does |
| 07:21.21 | Zeerti | I think that's the only one |
| 07:21.30 | vjeux | btw Ladik just gave me a working compacted map. the compacting feature is going to work soon :) |
| 07:21.40 | Corbo | grrrr |
| 07:21.54 | Corbo | why didn't they just make shitty desaturated normal maps |
| 07:23.24 | Zeerti | desaturated? |
| 07:24.51 | Corbo | no color |
| 07:24.52 | Corbo | grayscale |
| 07:25.18 | Zeerti | why do you want desaturated maps? haha |
| 07:25.21 | vjeux | you mean the t3*maps? |
| 07:27.02 | Corbo | no |
| 07:27.04 | veselu | vjeux, I've tried last night to create a new mpq using mpqeditor mpq2k script |
| 07:27.11 | Corbo | I mean model's texture maps |
| 07:27.23 | veselu | the map with all content has 1.9 MB |
| 07:27.47 | veselu | but loading it into the game doesn't work |
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| 07:28.02 | veselu | the load bar keep looping around 1/2 of the length |
| 07:28.09 | veselu | and I need to manually end SC2 |
| 07:28.10 | vjeux | there is a custom map header |
| 07:28.13 | veselu | yes |
| 07:28.17 | veselu | noticed that |
| 07:28.41 | Corbo | trying to break the file limit? |
| 07:28.42 | veselu | because of that mpqeditor cannot flush the mpq |
| 07:28.48 | Jerub | http://forums.battle.net/thread.html?topicId=23767193850&sid=5000 |
| 07:28.57 | veselu | flushing the file would restore it's proper size |
| 07:30.12 | Zeerti | how do you flush a file |
| 07:30.21 | FrozenFirebat | pull the handle on the toilet |
| 07:30.24 | veselu | you use mpqeditor /console |
| 07:30.27 | Zeerti | ah |
| 07:30.31 | veselu | and flush file.mpq |
| 07:30.42 | veselu | but it doesn't work for the s2ma files |
| 07:30.47 | Corbo | hmm |
| 07:30.50 | veselu | since they have an extra header |
| 07:30.53 | Corbo | if this doesn't look good |
| 07:30.56 | Corbo | one of you will sux |
| 07:31.04 | Corbo | I'll decide who while in game |
| 07:31.17 | FrozenFirebat | can't you just name the s2ma file .mpq flush it, then rename it s2ma? |
| 07:33.06 | veselu | no mate |
| 07:33.12 | veselu | it says that the file is invalid |
| 07:33.27 | veselu | because of the extra headers |
| 07:33.39 | vjeux | going to ask ladik to make a way to change the hashtable size |
| 07:35.24 | vjeux | anyway the latest mqeditor he gave me rocks |
| 07:35.27 | vjeux | compact works |
| 07:35.46 | vjeux | and he added "add <real path> <mpq path>" |
| 07:36.08 | vjeux | i was doing remove, add, move. this was so bad :p |
| 07:41.20 | veselu | yes |
| 07:41.27 | veselu | i did that a lot last night |
| 07:41.42 | vjeux | 2.803kb that's the TD file size :P |
| 07:41.52 | veselu | 1.9 for me |
| 07:42.07 | veselu | with all the files included :) |
| 07:42.16 | Corbo | hmmm |
| 07:42.20 | Corbo | changes not applying... |
| 07:42.24 | vjeux | wtf, the files are not compressed |
| 07:42.32 | Zeerti | bwahahaha |
| 07:42.39 | Corbo | We're all failing right now |
| 07:43.29 | Zeerti | failure |
| 07:43.48 | veselu | does the mpqeditor he gave you add the headers ? |
| 07:44.25 | vjeux | doesn't add the headers |
| 07:44.28 | vjeux | but the compact feature is working |
| 07:44.35 | vjeux | what's your mail? |
| 07:45.19 | veselu | veselu@gmail.com |
| 07:46.00 | vjeux | sent |
| 07:46.12 | veselu | my intention is that we should create a new mpq/s2ma file every time we want to launch the map |
| 07:46.20 | veselu | so that the size doesn't increases anymore |
| 07:46.43 | veselu | or we should be able to use flush with mpqeditor on the s2ma file |
| 07:48.00 | vjeux | now it's going to be compacted everytime you launch the game |
| 07:48.05 | vjeux | so the file size does not increase |
| 07:48.44 | Zeerti | How much would it increase? |
| 07:48.55 | vjeux | about 0.5 meg per launch :p |
| 07:49.00 | Zeerti | oh wow |
| 07:49.05 | Zeerti | I can see that getting bad fast |
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| 07:49.27 | veselu | vjeux we should be able to perform flush |
| 07:49.44 | vjeux | what is your definition of flush? |
| 07:49.46 | Zeerti | so does flushing it restore it back to its original size? |
| 07:49.49 | veselu | I believe the s2ma is already compacted |
| 07:50.18 | veselu | from what I noticed the flush reconstructs the indexes |
| 07:50.30 | Zeerti | so the indexes can get corrupt? |
| 07:50.33 | veselu | and file size goes to the size it should have as it was new |
| 07:50.49 | veselu | well when we launch the map the size increases and I guess |
| 07:51.08 | Zeerti | why does it increase? I don't understand that. |
| 07:51.09 | veselu | the mpq has some kind of transaction history like a sqlite DB file has |
| 07:51.24 | veselu | it's just a guess |
| 07:51.32 | veselu | sqlite does the same thing |
| 07:51.37 | veselu | when adding content |
| 07:51.44 | veselu | especially binary content |
| 07:52.01 | Corbo | Sixen |
| 07:52.06 | Corbo | are you here? |
| 07:52.21 | Corbo | did he leave at some point? |
| 07:52.38 | Zeerti | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:52.55 | vjeux | <veselu> the mpq has some kind of transaction history like a sqlite DB file has |
| 07:52.56 | vjeux | no |
| 07:53.07 | veselu | ok |
| 07:53.08 | Corbo | well |
| 07:53.14 | Corbo | it didn't quite work.. |
| 07:53.27 | Corbo | it's more like some weird red/pink thing |
| 07:53.32 | Corbo | not exactly purple |
| 07:53.34 | Sixen | rawr |
| 07:53.35 | Zeerti | red/pink? |
| 07:53.39 | vjeux | you have a contigus space for allocation |
| 07:53.43 | Sixen | Sup Corbo? |
| 07:53.58 | vjeux | if you want to modify a file that is bigger than the current one you have 2 solutions |
| 07:54.36 | vjeux | move all the files that were after |
| 07:54.40 | Corbo | http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/4471/screenshot082z.jpg |
| 07:54.40 | Corbo | http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/7690/screenshot083.jpg |
| 07:54.43 | vjeux | or add it at the end of the file |
| 07:54.49 | Corbo | it looks so weird. |
| 07:54.49 | Sixen | LOL |
| 07:54.52 | Sixen | That's so awesome though |
| 07:54.58 | Sixen | Zerg Colossus |
| 07:55.01 | Sixen | And Terran Zealots. |
| 07:55.03 | vjeux | what compacting does is remove all the blank spaces |
| 07:55.18 | Sixen | Vjeux, check that out. Zerg Colossus |
| 07:55.21 | Corbo | I think it looks better on low res >.> |
| 07:55.22 | vjeux | lol |
| 07:55.27 | Zeerti | fudge I can't get the damn image to load :( |
| 07:55.30 | vjeux | that's nice |
| 07:55.54 | veselu | let me give you an example: I've created a new s2ma file(1,9MB) and launched the map, it didn't work, I've ended the game manually, the size increased to 2,4 MB, flushed this file, got back to 1,9MB |
| 07:57.06 | Corbo | ooh |
| 07:57.10 | Corbo | the "red stuff" |
| 07:57.12 | Corbo | is the player color |
| 07:59.09 | Zeerti | Do they have the textures saved in the MPQ as like a jpeg? |
| 07:59.22 | Zeerti | or BPM |
| 07:59.26 | Zeerti | BMP* |
| 07:59.56 | FrozenFirebat | fx files |
| 08:00.04 | Zeerti | fx? |
| 08:00.05 | vjeux | dds |
| 08:00.10 | FrozenFirebat | what's what it looks like |
| 08:00.11 | Zeerti | which is it?l ol |
| 08:00.16 | Zeerti | dds or fx? |
| 08:00.27 | veselu | Assets\Textures |
| 08:00.36 | veselu | fx are in the root of the mpq |
| 08:00.55 | Zeerti | my point is, is it easy to locate them and edit? |
| 08:01.02 | Zeerti | err my question is |
| 08:01.38 | Corbo | dds are easy to open... |
| 08:01.49 | Corbo | editing them depends on your image editing skills :P |
| 08:01.51 | Zeerti | ive just never heard of them. |
| 08:02.00 | Corbo | .fx is unknown! |
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| 08:02.11 | Zeerti | even with google power? |
| 08:02.11 | Corbo | or is it not? |
| 08:02.24 | Corbo | even with google power |
| 08:02.54 | Sixen | vjeux, I gotta sleep. Wanna do a short article on corbo's two little mods? |
| 08:03.03 | Sixen | Terran Zealots and Zerg Colossus |
| 08:03.09 | vjeux | did he add them? |
| 08:03.18 | Corbo | huh? |
| 08:03.31 | Corbo | But I'm doing it myself D: |
| 08:03.41 | Corbo | I'm just no treleasing until I'm done |
| 08:03.44 | Sixen | oh |
| 08:03.47 | Sixen | Then nevermind, ;) |
| 08:03.50 | Corbo | but if you feel like so |
| 08:04.02 | Corbo | my tutorial's gonna be like |
| 08:04.04 | Sixen | I thought you were just messing around, it's cool. |
| 08:04.05 | Corbo | start from 0 |
| 08:04.08 | Corbo | end up with a mod |
| 08:04.17 | Sixen | =) |
| 08:04.18 | Corbo | I explain what I do/will do in a mod |
| 08:04.32 | Corbo | and thus, teach everyone modding! |
| 08:05.08 | Zeerti | :D |
| 08:05.16 | Corbo | what was my other little mod, though? |
| 08:06.05 | Corbo | cliff jumping dts? |
| 08:06.05 | Zeerti | FX is a file extension associated with WordPerfect Office Template files . Incorrect associations are the cause of many file extension errors. |
| 08:06.16 | Zeerti | The FX file type is primarily associated with 'DirectX' by Microsoft Corporation. |
| 08:06.17 | Corbo | no |
| 08:06.23 | Zeerti | hmm |
| 08:06.27 | Zeerti | still searching |
| 08:07.15 | Corbo | .fx will most likely turn out to be .fxa http://facefx.com/ |
| 08:07.40 | Corbo | btw .fx are portraits. |
| 08:08.18 | Zeerti | how do you know that? |
| 08:08.31 | Sixen | .fx are Portraits? |
| 08:08.33 | Sixen | I thought fxa were? |
| 08:08.38 | Zeerti | so then it would make sense that they are DirectX oriented... lol |
| 08:08.57 | vjeux | is sc2 working in mac os? |
| 08:09.04 | Zeerti | not tell mid april. |
| 08:09.22 | Sixen | Mmm. That. |
| 08:09.40 | vjeux | ok, ladik is going to come up with a solution to extend the 64 file limit |
| 08:09.53 | Zeerti | 64 file limit? |
| 08:09.59 | Sixen | *cough*vjeux, HelloWorld*cough* |
| 08:10.10 | vjeux | going to school right now :P |
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| 08:10.16 | Sixen | I'm going to sleep nao |
| 08:10.16 | Sixen | =| |
| 08:10.21 | Zeerti | you guys suck |
| 08:10.24 | Sixen | lol |
| 08:10.30 | Zeerti | I'm forced to be up for another 3 hours |
| 08:10.32 | Sixen | Zeerti, want to do me a favor? |
| 08:10.37 | Zeerti | sure |
| 08:10.42 | vjeux | give him $100 |
| 08:10.44 | Sixen | Find out if the GUI will be customizable in GalaxyEdit or not. |
| 08:10.46 | Sixen | That too |
| 08:10.56 | Sixen | Jun 2009 was Q&A Batch 52, where it was not. |
| 08:11.06 | Sixen | Someone said BlizzCon 2009 said it was, but I need to sleep. |
| 08:11.19 | Corbo | either 64 or 128 = file limit |
| 08:11.24 | Corbo | DONT ASK ME WHY IT VARIES |
| 08:11.32 | Zeerti | What do you mean file limit? |
| 08:11.49 | Corbo | means that |
| 08:12.04 | Corbo | You can only put one certain ammount of files inside your .sc2ma MPQ. |
| 08:12.08 | Corbo | either 64 or 128 |
| 08:12.14 | Zeerti | how irritating. |
| 08:12.14 | Corbo | vjeux |
| 08:12.21 | Corbo | if he finds out how |
| 08:12.24 | Zeerti | how does it vary? |
| 08:12.30 | Corbo | you have to TELL ME FIRST |
| 08:12.31 | Corbo | K? |
| 08:12.42 | Corbo | I have no clue, zee. |
| 08:13.17 | vjeux | it's how they built the mpq archive |
| 08:13.17 | Zeerti | well look at ones with 128 limit |
| 08:13.25 | FrozenFirebat | there is a video of blizcon |
| 08:13.28 | vjeux | you have to set the hash table size |
| 08:13.31 | FrozenFirebat | where they show you that GUI can be edited |
| 08:13.40 | Zeerti | its true. |
| 08:13.41 | FrozenFirebat | where they show off their GE abilities |
| 08:13.49 | Zeerti | they've said it several times Sixen |
| 08:14.00 | FrozenFirebat | but at the same time, they didn't implicitly say that you could edit the GUI |
| 08:14.04 | Sixen | Hrm. |
| 08:14.09 | Zeerti | Yeah they did. |
| 08:14.10 | Sixen | I need to know if GE can edit it. |
| 08:14.19 | Zeerti | When they were showing off the FPS |
| 08:14.26 | Sixen | They said GE could edit it? |
| 08:14.34 | FrozenFirebat | I watched that video a dozen times XD |
| 08:14.39 | Zeerti | OH! |
| 08:14.47 | Zeerti | Idk if you'll have to use the GE though =/ |
| 08:14.52 | Zeerti | They never said anything about that. |
| 08:14.53 | Sixen | That's what i'm looking for ;) |
| 08:14.54 | Zeerti | fudge. |
| 08:14.54 | Sixen | Alright. |
| 08:14.57 | Sixen | No worries. |
| 08:15.04 | Zeerti | Quick post on the forums! |
| 08:15.06 | Sixen | Q&A Batch says GE can't do it. Looking to see if that's truth. |
| 08:15.20 | Zeerti | what Q A Batch |
| 08:15.22 | Zeerti | ? |
| 08:15.25 | Zeerti | 5@? |
| 08:15.27 | Zeerti | 52* |
| 08:15.28 | Zeerti | ? |
| 08:15.29 | Sixen | 52, yes. |
| 08:15.37 | Sixen | That was June of 09. BlizzCon was August. |
| 08:15.55 | Zeerti | what does it mean if the GE can't do it |
| 08:15.56 | Zeerti | ? |
| 08:16.02 | Sixen | MilkyWayEdit will :) |
| 08:16.07 | Sixen | Then we can coexist with GE. |
| 08:16.11 | Sixen | and people will use MWE and GE. |
| 08:16.24 | Corbo | There's something I don't like about MilkyWayEdit... |
| 08:16.24 | Zeerti | does MWE have a GUI right now? |
| 08:16.30 | Sixen | Yes, Zeerti. |
| 08:16.35 | Sixen | What Corbo? |
| 08:16.35 | Corbo | The name's like ... |
| 08:16.36 | Zeerti | where can I dl it? |
| 08:16.39 | Corbo | >.> |
| 08:16.40 | FrozenFirebat | I watched it, he specifically said, "Using custom UI, that the designer put in. This is something they did in their spare time..." |
| 08:16.43 | Sixen | I made up the name :( |
| 08:16.44 | Corbo | makes me wanna eat chocolate |
| 08:16.46 | Corbo | >.> |
| 08:16.47 | Sixen | lol |
| 08:16.47 | FrozenFirebat | only reference to UI editing |
| 08:16.59 | Sixen | Thought so, FF. |
| 08:17.09 | Sixen | Zeerti, sc2mapster.com/assets/ |
| 08:17.13 | Zeerti | ty |
| 08:17.14 | Sixen | MilkyWayEdit |
| 08:17.20 | Sixen | Precompiler is something else. |
| 08:17.36 | FrozenFirebat | MWE errors on me |
| 08:17.37 | Sixen | Corbo, my idea behind it was that it's an addon to GalaxyEdit |
| 08:17.40 | FrozenFirebat | whenever I try to open something |
| 08:17.41 | Sixen | Only on the TD, right FF? |
| 08:17.57 | Sixen | When I get some time, i'll add error handling. |
| 08:18.00 | FrozenFirebat | I haven't even downloaded the TD |
| 08:18.04 | Sixen | weird. |
| 08:18.06 | Zeerti | me neither lol |
| 08:18.10 | Sixen | I'll check it out ni the morning. I need to sleep. |
| 08:18.12 | Sixen | Waking up in 5 hours. |
| 08:18.15 | FrozenFirebat | it was some map that somebody posted with harder AI |
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| 08:18.24 | FrozenFirebat | later six |
| 08:18.28 | Sixen | Night guys. |
| 08:18.55 | FrozenFirebat | which file btw do you edit units in so you can play with custom units? |
| 08:19.13 | Corbo | but it still makes me wanna eat chocolate |
| 08:19.19 | Zeerti | "CustomUnits.xml" ;) |
| 08:19.40 | Corbo | k so |
| 08:19.43 | Corbo | I'm done. |
| 08:19.46 | Corbo | bai |
| 08:19.51 | Zeerti | how sad. |
| 08:19.58 | Zeerti | another one down |
| 08:20.02 | Corbo | ;o |
| 08:21.48 | Zeerti | so who is still here |
| 08:21.50 | Zeerti | lol |
| 08:23.05 | Zeerti | damn I feel alone now |
| 08:29.25 | FrozenFirebat | back |
| 08:29.31 | Zeerti | welcome back |
| 08:29.42 | FrozenFirebat | Jerub should still be here, he's aussie |
| 08:29.50 | Zeerti | right :) |
| 08:30.38 | FrozenFirebat | which mpq is the "custom units" in? |
| 08:31.52 | Zeerti | I was joking, I have no idea. |
| 08:32.28 | Zeerti | Frozen: You happen to know why the hell a magnet causes color bleeding on a CRT Monitor? |
| 08:33.11 | FrozenFirebat | nope |
| 08:33.23 | Zeerti | trying to figure it out, its bothering me. |
| 08:33.32 | Zeerti | I'll see if I can find the MPQ with the custom unit thing though :) |
| 08:35.00 | FrozenFirebat | I just wiki'd Cathode ray tubes |
| 08:35.26 | Zeerti | maybe I'll wiki magnets and see if that explains wtf they do |
| 08:35.31 | FrozenFirebat | appearently they work by emiting an electron ray towards another part of the monitor... blah blah. |
| 08:35.57 | FrozenFirebat | could be that the magnet either pulls on a part or that it effects the electron ray itself |
| 08:36.10 | Astazha | affects the electron ray |
| 08:36.54 | Zeerti | not entirely sure, its bothering me haha. |
| 08:36.55 | FrozenFirebat | that's what I was thinking because of it's deguassing on startup |
| 08:37.22 | Zeerti | degaussing, don't see that word often :) but it fits well |
| 08:38.22 | FrozenFirebat | lol ever do that to a Credit Card? |
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| 08:40.08 | Zeerti | nope what happens? |
| 08:41.04 | Astazha | I imagine it just stops working. |
| 08:41.48 | FrozenFirebat | yeah... it stops working |
| 08:41.57 | FrozenFirebat | the data is magnetically coded onto it |
| 08:43.16 | Zeerti | like a bar code? |
| 08:43.18 | FrozenFirebat | Used to work in retail, and we had these magnetic plates we used to remove security devises from the high dollar stuff, and when a customer would piss me off, I'd run their Credit Card acrossed it when they weren't looking. |
| 08:43.32 | FrozenFirebat | kinda like a bar code, but it has an account number, name, etc on it |
| 08:43.33 | Zeerti | LOL! |
| 08:43.39 | Zeerti | right. |
| 08:43.55 | FrozenFirebat | so that the card can be identified and the account can be called on to transfer funds electronically |
| 08:44.15 | FrozenFirebat | Same with California Driver's License. |
| 08:44.34 | FrozenFirebat | I degaussed my own, cause I don't like the idea of everything about me being on a card |
| 08:44.44 | Zeerti | rofl |
| 08:44.47 | FrozenFirebat | cause the strip on the back of the Drivers license has a hell of a lot more than is printed on it |
| 08:44.57 | Zeerti | yeah... |
| 08:46.14 | FrozenFirebat | Now here's a fun little thing you can do with magnets |
| 08:46.21 | Zeerti | ooo do tell |
| 08:46.39 | FrozenFirebat | You'll need about 4 decently powered magnets you can get at any Radio Shack or equiv store |
| 08:46.44 | FrozenFirebat | small ones |
| 08:46.53 | FrozenFirebat | and about 9 ball bearings |
| 08:47.01 | FrozenFirebat | and 1 meter stick |
| 08:47.08 | Zeerti | im assuming steel? |
| 08:47.23 | FrozenFirebat | steel ball bearings yes, stick can be wood |
| 08:47.29 | Zeerti | kk |
| 08:47.32 | Zeerti | what nexT? |
| 08:47.38 | FrozenFirebat | Tape or Glue the Mangets evenly acrossed it spaced out |
| 08:47.51 | FrozenFirebat | the meter stick is best because it gives a little track to follow down the middle |
| 08:48.24 | FrozenFirebat | place 1 ball bearing at one end, then a magnet down a bit, then 2 ball bearings next to it |
| 08:48.28 | FrozenFirebat | should look something like this: |
| 08:48.44 | FrozenFirebat | B------MBB------MBB------MBB-------MBB |
| 08:48.58 | FrozenFirebat | it's called linear magnetic accelleration |
| 08:49.15 | Zeerti | AKA Railgun >:) |
| 08:49.24 | FrozenFirebat | actually it'd be a Guass rifle |
| 08:49.37 | Zeerti | gauss* |
| 08:49.44 | FrozenFirebat | Rail gun uses 2 magnetic strips and an ionized rail |
| 08:49.52 | FrozenFirebat | to cause it to spin in a direction, giving it mommentum |
| 08:49.55 | Zeerti | and a Railgun is what the Navy uses on their big ass ships |
| 08:50.07 | Zeerti | but your right about the gauss rifle. |
| 08:50.20 | FrozenFirebat | Railguns are easier to maintain than a gauss rifle |
| 08:50.33 | Zeerti | why is that? |
| 08:50.53 | FrozenFirebat | there is a limit to the power you can project through a linear magnetic accelerator, because it relies on impact to transmit the energy through the contraption |
| 08:51.05 | Zeerti | right |
| 08:51.07 | FrozenFirebat | when the energy reaches a level that is greater than the structural integrity of what it hits |
| 08:51.13 | FrozenFirebat | the machine breaks down |
| 08:51.34 | FrozenFirebat | so at a certain point, you cannot move an object with more newtons |
| 08:51.55 | Astazha | if you take a magnet - ideally a powerful one like a rare earth - and drop it down a piece of copper tubing, ideally one that is not a lot bigger in diameter than the magnet, you'll find that it falls very slowly because of the induced currents and the forces exerted between the electrical current and the magnet. |
| 08:52.50 | FrozenFirebat | that's a nice one |
| 08:53.37 | Zeerti | cool, i want to try it now |
| 08:53.43 | Zeerti | Oh and Frozen |
| 08:53.54 | FrozenFirebat | I've made a motor that powers itself by ionizing the air with electrical current, but I've also seen one where a guy used two copper tubes spinning in opposite directions to ionize the air around them and create lift on a magnetized disk |
| 08:54.05 | Zeerti | monitors use a metal plate near the front of the tube to focus the electron beams from the back. This plate, the shadow mask, can pick up strong external fields and from that point produce discoloration on the display. |
| 08:54.26 | FrozenFirebat | ya I read about the shadow mask when I looked up the rays. |
| 08:55.20 | FrozenFirebat | lol playing with magnets almost made me want to change my major to engineering XD |
| 08:55.38 | Zeerti | haha |
| 08:55.40 | FrozenFirebat | but then I realized that engineers haven't had a decent job since NASA died |
| 08:55.45 | Zeerti | I'm still unsure what I should do. |
| 08:55.58 | Zeerti | I feel like programming/It |
| 08:56.01 | Zeerti | IT* |
| 08:56.16 | FrozenFirebat | I was going to go into programming, but I realized that sitting at a computer coding for 10 hours a day wasn't my thing |
| 08:56.48 | Astazha | There are plenty of engineering jobs. You should do what you love, 'cuz you'll spend a shit-ton of time doing it and you'll be better at your job if you're passionate about it. |
| 08:56.49 | FrozenFirebat | I loved electronics tho. I spent so much time as a kid at the Arcade that I knew how to fix all the rigs |
| 08:58.08 | FrozenFirebat | and Believe me Astazha, where I live, I wouldn't even have to move for an engineering job. Lockheed, Boeing, and all the other major engineering firms have buildings within an hour's drive of me |
| 08:58.28 | Astazha | Don't get sucked into doing something just because it's a "good job" 'cuz you'll probably hate it in 5 years and change careers to something you actually like. May as well do that to start with. |
| 08:58.45 | Astazha | You in central FL? |
| 08:58.56 | FrozenFirebat | lol nope... just outside Los Angeles |
| 08:59.16 | Zeerti | I have lockheed near me too and my dad with a foothold to get me in :D |
| 09:00.44 | FrozenFirebat | My neighbor is an engineer for Boeing, I have another friend who is an Engineer at boing, and I used to have a student at my old Dojo who was a lockheed engineer |
| 09:03.26 | Zeerti | xD |
| 09:06.14 | FrozenFirebat | trying to find a movie on netflix... |
| 09:06.22 | Astazha | it's so painful to code without some kind of error checking... |
| 09:06.47 | FrozenFirebat | and I came acrossed a Thai film called Bangkok Dangerous... Appearently that really bad nicolas cage film was a remake of it |
| 09:07.10 | Zeerti | LOL@ |
| 09:07.16 | Zeerti | That movie blew |
| 09:07.20 | FrozenFirebat | yep |
| 09:08.16 | FrozenFirebat | and Astazha, you should have made maps with Staredit, where things that had no relation to what you were working on would break down and checking it was like going through xmas lights to find the light that shorted the whole thing out. |
| 09:08.39 | Astazha | Sounds like fun |
| 09:09.06 | FrozenFirebat | I scrapped a lot of maps that I had 250+ triggers on that broke down. |
| 09:09.36 | Zeerti | wow... |
| 09:09.37 | Astazha | Daily backups are a must for me. If things get too bad I can revert. |
| 09:10.07 | Zeerti | SC2 editor has debugging mode right? |
| 09:11.07 | Astazha | I don't know which editor you mean |
| 09:11.20 | FrozenFirebat | haha |
| 09:11.28 | FrozenFirebat | GE has one |
| 09:11.50 | Astazha | GE? |
| 09:11.59 | Zeerti | General Electric |
| 09:12.21 | Zeerti | he means galaxy editor as far as I presume. |
| 09:12.40 | Zeerti | but I dont remember which editor that is lol |
| 09:12.47 | FrozenFirebat | the blizzard one |
| 09:12.55 | Zeerti | for sc2 or sc1? |
| 09:12.59 | FrozenFirebat | SC2 |
| 09:13.18 | Zeerti | I thought GE was named something different for sc2 |
| 09:13.20 | FrozenFirebat | SC1 was StarEdit, WC3 was WorldEdit, SC2 is Galaxy Edit |
| 09:13.30 | Astazha | That would be amazing... does it install with the game or do I need to grab it elsewhere? |
| 09:13.37 | Zeerti | installs with the game |
| 09:13.47 | FrozenFirebat | Blizzard said they are going to release it in beta in the big content patch in april |
| 09:13.55 | Zeerti | ITS APRIL BTCHES |
| 09:13.56 | Zeerti | :D |
| 09:14.04 | Zeerti | sorry i'm really excited about this patch lol |
| 09:14.21 | Astazha | Oh, it's not out yet. Got it. |
| 09:14.32 | FrozenFirebat | yeah, appearently Terran Mech is getting a buff, Zerg is gonna get something big done to them... and Protoss will probby get nerfed... again. |
| 09:15.04 | FrozenFirebat | ya... Mapster's MWE or doing it all by hand... is tedius. GE will make it all User Friendly |
| 09:15.18 | FrozenFirebat | in fact, even knowing the Galaxy API won't be completely necessary |
| 09:15.57 | Astazha | That would make sense for basic editing. |
| 09:16.03 | FrozenFirebat | which is why i'm not wasting too much time on it... i'm focused on learning the XML of the GUI, which is the only thing they said so far that won't be editable with their tool |
| 09:16.04 | Astazha | I'd be tickled if they'd just document the API. |
| 09:16.14 | FrozenFirebat | me too Astaz |
| 09:16.44 | Astazha | and the work I'm doing will definitely require the API knowledge, so I think it's time well spent. |
| 09:17.40 | FrozenFirebat | the biggest things that I'm going to be working on will require more GUI knowledge than API knowledge |
| 09:19.17 | Astazha | I'm just trying to write an AI with some actual decision making under the hood. All this modding stuff is pretty cool though, and I'm particularly impressed by the people who have done the work to hack the beta & so forth. |
| 09:19.33 | Astazha | I'd like to learn more about that, not even sure where to start. x86 asm I suppose. |
| 09:22.58 | Zeerti | x86 asm? |
| 09:23.48 | Astazha | assembly language for intel processors. It is, as I understand it, what everything that runs on windows ultimately compiles to. |
| 09:24.21 | Zeerti | AH |
| 09:25.00 | Astazha | you're basically working directly with the instructions for the chip itself |
| 09:25.20 | Zeerti | So what would you be telling it to do? |
| 09:26.05 | Astazha | right.. but the way assembly (asm) works in order to add 2 numbers together there's a pile of steps to do it. Or at least it used to be that way. Might be just one command with modern processors, I dunno. |
| 09:26.46 | Astazha | I think a=b+c was like 8 commands to get that done, cuz you're directly moving things around in memory, etc. |
| 09:31.44 | Zeerti | alright I have a quick question regarding AI |
| 09:31.54 | Astazha | I'll try |
| 09:31.57 | Zeerti | xD |
| 09:32.08 | Zeerti | How do I tell the AI to scout. |
| 09:32.55 | Zeerti | do you know? |
| 09:32.55 | Astazha | there's a flag you can set if you look in the primary files for the race you'll see it. it's like e_flagScouting or something like that. |
| 09:33.12 | Astazha | true to scout, false to not scout |
| 09:33.32 | Astazha | then there is a function in Zerg.galaxy or whatever the race is that selects what type of unit to use for scouting |
| 09:33.36 | Zeerti | can I set a interval of time when they begin to scout and a set ammount of time to stop scouting? |
| 09:33.44 | Astazha | but the default scouting functions are pretty crappy. |
| 09:33.53 | Astazha | you can say: |
| 09:34.14 | Astazha | if (AIGetTime()>60) { set the scouting flag=true} |
| 09:34.23 | Astazha | and if it's > some other time make it false again |
| 09:34.28 | Zeerti | alright |
| 09:35.11 | *** join/#sc2mapster Computerpunk (~Computerp@95.76.177.207) |
| 09:35.12 | Astazha | I'm actually going to enormous lengths right now to try to make my AI scout better than what setting the flag gives you though |
| 09:35.22 | Astazha | because it misses a lot. |
| 09:35.25 | Zeerti | what settings does the flag give you? |
| 09:35.31 | Zeerti | misses? |
| 09:35.35 | Astazha | It will hit the start locations |
| 09:35.47 | Astazha | but it doesn't go look at the other sites unless the scout happens past them. |
| 09:36.04 | Zeerti | sounds like 1 time scouting in the beginning and then no others. |
| 09:36.20 | Astazha | So it's easy for the enemy to expand to a location that your AI isn't aware of, and even when you've got them beat your forces don't know where to go to finish the job. It's pretty fail. |
| 09:36.21 | Zeerti | is it possible for us to create a flag to check all near by mineral expos? |
| 09:37.00 | Astazha | I don't know how to do that via flags, I'm writing a complex monstrosity to mark the mineral spots and track whether or not there is an enemy town hall at each one. |
| 09:37.14 | Zeerti | hmm... |
| 09:37.20 | Astazha | there might be a way, the API documentation is really sketchy and I don't know what everything does. |
| 09:37.25 | Zeerti | it would work, but I'm sure its a lot of extra work. |
| 09:37.34 | Astazha | yeah, I've been working on this all night. |
| 09:38.12 | Zeerti | are you making it just check all of them or start with the natural of the found main? |
| 09:38.25 | Zeerti | Do you have to provide Coordinates for the comp? |
| 09:38.37 | Astazha | the good news is that it will give me the ability to direct attacks to an expansion instead of just saying "dur-hur attack!!!" |
| 09:38.52 | Zeerti | thats true :P |
| 09:38.52 | Zeerti | lol |
| 09:38.58 | Astazha | yeah, coordinates |
| 09:39.08 | Zeerti | how are you figuring out the coords? |
| 09:39.23 | Astazha | I'll start with stuff near their main, but just like in a real game you'll want to know for sure that they haven't expanded anywhere. |
| 09:39.53 | Zeerti | Now, keep in mind that their |
| 09:40.05 | Zeerti | "scouting" may be stupid because we only have easy mode bots. |
| 09:40.52 | Zeerti | want to copy pasta what you have so I can look at it? |
| 09:40.55 | Astazha | that's complicated... but I'm finding all of the mineral piles, and then discarding all but one in a certain region and using that as the coordinates of the town. Then if I see a town hall I cross-reference it to known mineral piles and mark that one as occupied by enemy/ally as appropriate. UnitGetPosition() tells you where something is. |
| 09:41.17 | Zeerti | ah |
| 09:41.19 | Astazha | As I get thinks working I put them up here: http://darkblizz.org/Forum2/ai-development/evolution-of-the-overmind/ |
| 09:41.36 | Zeerti | have anything there already? |
| 09:41.58 | Astazha | scouting wise just the location of the expansion spots |
| 09:42.14 | Astazha | I'm finishing up finding their townhalls now. |
| 09:42.52 | Astazha | Here: http://pastebin.com/HTeznSSQ |
| 09:43.01 | Astazha | That's my whole intel file so far. |
| 09:43.21 | Zeerti | thats what I was looking for :) |
| 09:43.57 | Astazha | there are a few calls to the OvermindMemory, which is defined in another file but you can see that stuff under the Data sub-project on darkblizz |
| 09:44.36 | Astazha | it's basically a user-created version of GetUserInt() except that I'm not limited to 256 slots and I don't have to sweat conflicts with other coders. |
| 09:46.01 | Zeerti | 256 slots? |
| 09:46.55 | Astazha | Yeah, you can call GetUserInt(player, index) and it will give you the integer that was stored at index for that player, but the highest index you can use is 256. |
| 09:47.03 | Zeerti | I'm new to the whole coding, but I really want to learn quickly. This looks really interesting. Some of it just boggles me, but its because I dont understand the terminology. |
| 09:47.26 | Astazha | And you need player specific stuff and not just a regular array because if there is more than one Zerg player they will use the same array and overwrite each other. |
| 09:47.49 | Astazha | 'cuz each AI doesn't get its own memory space. |
| 09:48.25 | Astazha | Have you seen the galaxy api stuff sc2mapster has? |
| 09:48.26 | Zeerti | wait wait... each AI doesn't get its own memory space. I get that ,but how does that cause issues? |
| 09:48.32 | Zeerti | no |
| 09:48.37 | Zeerti | link? |
| 09:48.41 | Astazha | Well, let's say you define a global variable that's static |
| 09:48.58 | Zeerti | okay |
| 09:48.58 | Astazha | static bool runonce=true; |
| 09:49.11 | Astazha | then you check if (runonce) { do some stuff } |
| 09:49.38 | Astazha | and all of your AIs use this routine because it does something basic that every race uses. |
| 09:50.15 | Astazha | The 1st player to run the code will do some stuff, and the others won't (I left out the part where you set runonce=false after doing stuff) because runonce is already false when they get there. |
| 09:51.10 | Astazha | That's why so many functions require player as a parameter, otherwise they don't know which AI they're working for. As far as the game is concerned it's all code. Nothing stops you from moving another AI's units as far as I know. |
| 09:52.49 | Astazha | http://www.sc2mapster.com/api-docs/functions/ |
| 09:53.04 | Astazha | http://www.sc2mapster.com/api-docs/ |
| 09:53.24 | Astazha | http://www.sc2mapster.com/api-docs/galaxy-language/ |
| 09:53.33 | Astazha | http://www.sc2mapster.com/api-docs/galaxy-language/structs/ |
| 09:53.39 | Astazha | that's a good start. |
| 09:53.50 | Zeerti | I |
| 09:53.54 | Zeerti | will keep those in mind :D |
| 09:53.57 | Astazha | There are a few functions not on that list. |
| 09:57.11 | Zeerti | okay |
| 09:57.11 | veselu | guys is this a scam: http://techkkno.blogspot.com/ ? |
| 09:57.17 | Zeerti | sec |
| 09:58.05 | Astazha | veselu: I don't think so. They were involved in the original crack and they've been working on that for a while. |
| 09:58.16 | HP-zzz | veselu yes |
| 09:58.20 | Astazha | teknogods wrote lazylauncher I believe. |
| 09:58.22 | HP-zzz | Astazha thats teknogods.com |
| 09:58.23 | HP-zzz | not blogs |
| 09:58.46 | veselu | because i saw that link in the darkblizz forum adds |
| 09:58.53 | HP-zzz | teknogods.com & darkblizz |
| 09:59.05 | Astazha | yeah I would go right to their website for any downloads |
| 09:59.10 | HP-zzz | still dont trust me :p |
| 09:59.12 | HP-zzz | em* |
| 09:59.22 | HP-zzz | ive seen lots of shit in their forums |
| 10:00.23 | veselu | i wouldn't want to use the exe they provide |
| 10:00.53 | veselu | it may send someone's real user and pass |
| 10:01.02 | HP-zzz | eh? |
| 10:01.14 | veselu | to the author |
| 10:01.19 | veselu | email or whatever |
| 10:01.26 | veselu | it may be a keylogger |
| 10:01.31 | veselu | or who know |
| 10:01.32 | HP-zzz | the whole idea behind ther stuff is that you dont have access to an account..... |
| 10:01.32 | veselu | s |
| 10:01.43 | Zeerti | holy cow is HP |
| 10:01.43 | Astazha | Oh, I misread the site. The beta crack is real. I thought that was announcing the emulated server |
| 10:01.49 | HP-zzz | i trust them more than i trust blizzard |
| 10:02.01 | HP-zzz | fucken warden |
| 10:02.11 | HP-zzz | Zeerti ay, it is I |
| 10:02.23 | HP | really |
| 10:03.26 | Zeerti | what about warden? |
| 10:03.49 | Zeerti | I dont think they have it enabled right now tbh |
| 10:04.02 | veselu | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warden_(software) |
| 10:04.30 | Astazha | I can tell you that many people report lazylauncher as hitting as a trojan from their anti-virus, and that teknogods has said that it's a false positive because of the way it works to bypass the security mechanisms in the game. That kind of thing makes me nervous, but you know if I'd had the option to buy the beta or something I would have done so. |
| 10:04.50 | HP2 | i barely trust AV |
| 10:05.41 | HP2 | veselu the only avg that reported lazy was avg or avast |
| 10:05.48 | Astazha | nonetheless it's well known that crack sites are a good place to pick up some herpes for your pc |
| 10:05.58 | veselu | the question was: http://techkkno.blogspot.com/ is this for real or is it just a scam ? |
| 10:06.18 | veselu | it's not teknogods in techkkno... |
| 10:06.18 | Astazha | I don't know if that's really their blog or not. |
| 10:06.19 | HP2 | the question was answered within 2 fucking lines |
| 10:06.28 | HP2 | -[ 10:58.15 ]- -( HP-zzz ): veselu yes |
| 10:06.29 | HP2 | :p |
| 10:06.36 | Zeerti | 2 fucking lines he says. |
| 10:06.38 | HP2 | as in its a scam |
| 10:06.39 | Astazha | yeah, exactly |
| 10:07.04 | HP2 | yesteday was use jesus when cursing |
| 10:07.08 | HP2 | today its back to fucking :D |
| 10:07.36 | HP2 | ( Astazha ): nonetheless it's well known that crack sites are a good place to pick up some herpes for your pc |
| 10:07.47 | HP2 | ive never managed that in 14 years :p |
| 10:09.01 | HP2 | common sense about source will get you a long way |
| 10:09.08 | HP2 | Zeerti what time is it at your place now? |
| 10:09.15 | Zeerti | 4:10 |
| 10:09.19 | HP2 | am? |
| 10:09.32 | Zeerti | 4100 hours. |
| 10:09.41 | Zeerti | err |
| 10:09.44 | Zeerti | 4010 hours lol |
| 10:09.46 | HP2 | omg |
| 10:09.49 | HP2 | ! |
| 10:09.53 | Zeerti | so yes AM |
| 10:09.58 | HP2 | scery stuff is scary |
| 10:10.04 | Zeerti | ?? |
| 10:10.07 | Astazha | Yeah, 6am out my way |
| 10:10.07 | Zeerti | I keep messing that up |
| 10:10.13 | HP2 | over here we have 24h |
| 10:10.14 | HP2 | :O |
| 10:10.16 | *** join/#sc2mapster Remy_ (~5ed309d4@gateway/web/freenode/x-qsboqfxhmyzmaxxo) |
| 10:10.19 | Remy_ | hey |
| 10:10.23 | HP2 | ey Remy_ |
| 10:10.27 | Remy_ | I have my project in a repository now |
| 10:10.31 | veselu | hi |
| 10:10.40 | Remy_ | but everytime I commit it shows up as a release in the files section of my project |
| 10:10.56 | Remy_ | but the repository doesn't contain any builds, just sourcecode |
| 10:11.16 | Remy_ | and you can only build it using cabal which nobody has so when I commit it's really not a release but just source code |
| 10:11.49 | HP2 | cant help ya there, basically never used and cvs / svn etc |
| 10:12.27 | HP2 | btw, how did the dynamic pointer code come along yesterday? |
| 10:18.08 | Remy_ | well |
| 10:18.14 | Remy_ | the generator code looks fine now |
| 10:18.18 | Remy_ | but it still doesn't run in sc3 |
| 10:18.20 | Remy_ | sc2* |
| 10:18.23 | HP2 | spotify:track:6wYJJ8AEhgS2euFsuTvZ1g |
| 10:18.24 | Remy_ | so there is a bug somewhere |
| 10:18.26 | HP2 | ah |
| 10:18.27 | Remy_ | but I didn't see it yet |
| 10:18.48 | Remy_ | I just have to carefully look at the generated code to see what's wrong |
| 10:19.21 | Remy_ | but eh you can download a binary |
| 10:19.27 | Remy_ | and test it yourself |
| 10:19.33 | Remy_ | maybe you'll see it right away |
| 10:19.47 | HP2 | ill doubt it, but i can look at it a lil later |
| 10:19.55 | HP2 | need to shower and get moving to exam :p |
| 10:20.04 | HP2 | or whatever the test at the end of a course is called :) |
| 10:20.05 | Zeerti | haha hp |
| 10:20.17 | Zeerti | Final? lol |
| 10:20.22 | HP2 | yeah finals |
| 10:20.27 | Zeerti | rofl |
| 10:20.30 | HP2 | fuck you and your jibberish language :p |
| 10:20.44 | Zeerti | i'll jibberish you! |
| 10:20.47 | HP2 | ;) |
| 10:20.53 | Zeerti | haha |
| 10:21.06 | Zeerti | slaps HP2 around a bit with a large trout |
| 10:21.10 | Zeerti | lol! |
| 10:21.38 | Zeerti | accept it |
| 10:21.48 | HP-snus | i tried |
| 10:22.28 | FrozenFirebat | is there a page on the site with some custom galaxy API scripting writen? I'm looking at the API documentation... never learned programming, so I don't quite grasp how declaring variables, teaching integers logic translates into instructions. |
| 10:23.08 | HP-snus | FrozenFirebat dont think so |
| 10:23.15 | HP-snus | corbo is working on a basic turorial though |
| 10:23.37 | FrozenFirebat | I can usually get the jist of it if I've seen how it works in action |
| 10:23.40 | HP-snus | my tips would be to look at some c tutorials (prolly just some basic ones) to get aa little grasp |
| 10:23.51 | HP-snus | also, there is a hello world map you could look at |
| 10:23.56 | Astazha | you can open up the Starcrack AI and take a look at what they've done. |
| 10:24.28 | HP-snus | also a great tip |
| 10:25.13 | Astazha | question for you HP: |
| 10:25.39 | Remy_ | try a c tutorial ; ) |
| 10:25.51 | Astazha | I'm interested in learning more about how people crack programs, perform injections, etc. I have some programming experience but not on that level. Where do I start? |
| 10:25.58 | Astazha | x86 asm? |
| 10:26.10 | Remy_ | I don't know either |
| 10:26.12 | Remy_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:26.13 | HP-snus | ive never done that stuff but yes, that is probably a good idea |
| 10:26.28 | HP-snus | im unsure on how well zine teach you that stuff |
| 10:26.50 | FrozenFirebat | Tried logging into Reload or Vitality's IRC channel? |
| 10:26.50 | Astazha | zine? |
| 10:26.52 | HP-snus | err |
| 10:26.57 | FrozenFirebat | mabey you can get ahold of one of their crew |
| 10:26.59 | HP-snus | yeah, i meant zines |
| 10:27.23 | Astazha | I don't know what zines are either |
| 10:27.36 | HP-snus | fan magazines online |
| 10:27.43 | Astazha | Frozen: no, I haven't tried that. |
| 10:27.46 | HP-snus | there are those made for hacking |
| 10:28.05 | HP-snus | it has been long since i even looked at those and there might be better places to start |
| 10:28.22 | Astazha | ok, thanks |
| 10:28.51 | HP-snus | also, keeping track on random security pages might be a good idea |
| 10:28.52 | FrozenFirebat | There was a guy recently that beat all the Big game cracking groups to breaking the C&C4 protection |
| 10:29.01 | HP-snus | as they get exploits / proof of concepts from time to time |
| 10:29.24 | HP-snus | although that might not be what you are after if you are looking to crack / reverse stuff :p |
| 10:30.24 | FrozenFirebat | Look up freesteam... it's a site of people who are dedicated to breaking steam's protection whenever it changes. |
| 10:30.24 | Astazha | I'm just really interested/impressed by it, and I'd like to know more about how it works. I don't think I'll be getting into any serious cracking, but it would be nice to know how to perform a simple injection or something just to have a better feel for what it is etc. |
| 10:31.29 | Astazha | and it's always nice to take the shackles off |
| 10:31.44 | HP-snus | http://www.textfiles.com/magazines/ |
| 10:31.53 | HP-snus | those zines are very very old though |
| 10:32.05 | HP-snus | latest i saw on there was 96 |
| 10:32.24 | HP-snus | but honestly, I love reading textfiles.com :D |
| 10:32.39 | Astazha | I'll check it out ; ) |
| 10:36.13 | Astazha | Zeerti when I posted that file for you OvermindGetNumEnemyTowns() still had some syntax errors in it but everything else works. |
| 10:42.54 | Zeerti | Very nice, I've been AFK talking to my boss about getting a better position. |
| 10:43.05 | Zeerti | She was telling me how I was way above the learning curve here at work. |
| 10:43.24 | Zeerti | and that I outta apply for the t2/t3 support jobs |
| 10:43.25 | Astazha | that's awesome, congrats |
| 10:43.40 | Zeerti | = 2x the pay :D |
| 10:43.53 | Astazha | then congrats x2 ; ) |
| 10:43.58 | Zeerti | 24ish an hour. Man I'd be happy with that. |
| 10:44.53 | Zeerti | sorry not to brag :P anyways back to SC2 :D |
| 10:45.14 | FrozenFirebat | 24USD or Euro? XD |
| 10:45.18 | Zeerti | USD |
| 10:45.31 | Zeerti | which is decent for a 20 year old :) |
| 10:45.35 | FrozenFirebat | indeed |
| 10:45.37 | Astazha | very |
| 10:45.50 | FrozenFirebat | It was kinda sick that I made only that after working 6 years at the same job |
| 10:46.04 | Zeerti | really? |
| 10:46.08 | FrozenFirebat | and brand new Rx that worked for me, got about 80USD / hr |
| 10:46.21 | Zeerti | ouch |
| 10:46.35 | Zeerti | isn't the euro = to a dollar, well close that is? |
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| 10:47.04 | Zeerti | Alright I just remembered that I'm going to be sad when I get home. |
| 10:47.10 | Zeerti | :'( |
| 10:47.23 | Zeerti | Computer is in advanced AIDS state and won't load windows |
| 10:47.35 | FrozenFirebat | 1Euro = 1.35152 USD |
| 10:47.55 | FrozenFirebat | what zeerti, your computer won't load? |
| 10:48.01 | FrozenFirebat | does it get passed the Bios screen? |
| 10:48.03 | HP-snus | -( Zeerti ): and that I outta apply for the t2/t3 support jobs good boy |
| 10:48.12 | Zeerti | :D |
| 10:48.14 | HP-snus | soon you will be doing what your workplace should be doing at first line |
| 10:48.15 | Astazha | aight... it's bedtime for me. gnite/goodmorning all |
| 10:48.21 | Zeerti | HP I'll finally be able to do something haha. |
| 10:48.23 | HP-snus | nn Astazha |
| 10:48.28 | Zeerti | nn Astazha! |
| 10:48.38 | HP-snus | they are actually pulling that crap @ my work too |
| 10:48.45 | HP-snus | well to some extent |
| 10:49.01 | HP-snus | they are removing access to some of the core systems for new peeps |
| 10:49.08 | Zeerti | Frozen: Gets past Bios, loads windows and loads windows some more. then 2 hours later its still loading windows" |
| 10:49.20 | FrozenFirebat | hmm... Bad drivers mabey? |
| 10:49.26 | FrozenFirebat | corrupted system files? |
| 10:49.30 | FrozenFirebat | tried a hard wipe? |
| 10:49.31 | Zeerti | tried deleting the partition and making a new one |
| 10:49.33 | HP-snus | did you try failsafe mode? |
| 10:49.39 | Zeerti | Can |
| 10:49.45 | Zeerti | can't get it to boot in safe mode... |
| 10:49.51 | Zeerti | won't give me the option to do it. |
| 10:49.55 | HP-snus | err |
| 10:49.56 | FrozenFirebat | Should always be able to. |
| 10:49.59 | HP-snus | just hit f8 during bootup |
| 10:50.01 | FrozenFirebat | think it's F10 |
| 10:50.02 | HP-snus | alot |
| 10:50.02 | FrozenFirebat | or ya |
| 10:50.04 | FrozenFirebat | F8 |
| 10:50.09 | Zeerti | Lets put it this way |
| 10:50.16 | HP-snus | after the post screen f8 should bring that screen up |
| 10:50.29 | Zeerti | To Select boot drive I hit ESC. To get to BIOS I hit Delete. |
| 10:50.33 | HP-snus | btw, anyone here know someone selling a gtx 285? |
| 10:50.35 | Zeerti | there are no f keys. |
| 10:50.48 | FrozenFirebat | no F keys? plug in a new keyboard XD |
| 10:50.52 | Zeerti | LOL! |
| 10:50.57 | Zeerti | thats not what I meant, but I'll try that. |
| 10:51.01 | HP-snus | apparently they are nowhere to be found since the new card are coming anytime now soon |
| 10:51.09 | Zeerti | anyways back to what I've tried. |
| 10:51.19 | Zeerti | Deleted partition made a new one installed windows. |
| 10:51.27 | Zeerti | Windows booted "correctly" |
| 10:51.41 | HP-snus | well, there you go! ;p |
| 10:51.45 | FrozenFirebat | Partition deleting doesn't always get rid of everything... a hard wipe sometimes is necessary |
| 10:51.50 | Zeerti | I logged in and installed the Nvida drivers for my 9600 |
| 10:51.54 | Zeerti | Asked to reboot |
| 10:51.56 | Zeerti | so I did. |
| 10:52.01 | Zeerti | Shit went to hell |
| 10:52.06 | Zeerti | and now it won't reinstall it period. |
| 10:52.21 | Zeerti | so my question is how the hell do I wipe it? |
| 10:52.21 | FrozenFirebat | hmm... perhaps it's something to do with the drivers? |
| 10:52.25 | HP-snus | yeah well |
| 10:52.33 | HP-snus | start picking out part by part |
| 10:52.33 | Zeerti | I don't see why it would be the drivers since I had them all before. |
| 10:52.46 | Zeerti | I also installed SC2 Beta. |
| 10:52.49 | Zeerti | then restarted. |
| 10:52.49 | HP-snus | run w minimum hardware, put piece by piece in |
| 10:53.16 | Zeerti | Had it run a memory check |
| 10:53.18 | FrozenFirebat | Check your memory? |
| 10:53.18 | HP-snus | ah fuck this i need to shower |
| 10:53.19 | HP-snus | afk :p |
| 10:53.22 | Zeerti | Fixed about 100 errors |
| 10:53.37 | Zeerti | rebooted and it still forever loads |
| 10:53.47 | Zeerti | So I tried reinstalling windows |
| 10:53.48 | Zeerti | again |
| 10:53.52 | FrozenFirebat | Power supply, and Memory are sneaky culprits |
| 10:54.01 | Zeerti | Didn't install anything |
| 10:54.06 | Zeerti | and about 10 minutes later |
| 10:54.12 | Zeerti | the mouse got really laggy then comp froze. |
| 10:54.23 | Zeerti | I think it just needs a wipe. |
| 10:54.48 | Zeerti | but I don't know how to do it without another computer or a HDD reader thingy |
| 10:54.50 | FrozenFirebat | Have you tried pulling your HD out and booting up another PC with it? |
| 10:55.03 | Zeerti | Don't have any other pc's that are SATA compatable. |
| 10:55.06 | FrozenFirebat | HD might have corrupted sectors |
| 10:55.21 | Zeerti | and I believe the HDD only has sata sockets. |
| 10:55.28 | Zeerti | i'd have to double check that. |
| 10:55.31 | FrozenFirebat | IC. |
| 10:55.36 | FrozenFirebat | how long have you had it? |
| 10:55.47 | Zeerti | little over a year. |
| 10:56.00 | Zeerti | recently upgraded from win 7 RC to win 7 |
| 10:56.07 | FrozenFirebat | IC |
| 10:56.11 | Zeerti | ic? |
| 10:56.20 | FrozenFirebat | i see lol |
| 10:56.22 | Zeerti | oh lol |
| 10:56.25 | Zeerti | thought it was terminology |
| 10:57.07 | FrozenFirebat | Or if you can get a HD installed into your PC from somebody else to see if it loads properly |
| 10:57.16 | FrozenFirebat | if it doesn't, Power supply / Memory are likely |
| 10:57.32 | FrozenFirebat | if it does, then HD sectors can be the problem |
| 10:58.00 | FrozenFirebat | You might want to just pull the HD in the latter case and install a new one, just use the other one as a slave for the info on it |
| 10:58.06 | FrozenFirebat | assuming that your old HD is virus free? |
| 10:58.20 | Zeerti | i'm asuming it is, but don't really now |
| 10:58.22 | Zeerti | know* |
| 10:58.33 | FrozenFirebat | Webroot is my guardian angel... I sware by the thing |
| 10:59.12 | FrozenFirebat | but ya, a good HD won't run you more than 50-200$ depending on how much information you store. |
| 10:59.29 | FrozenFirebat | that's less than a full day's pay at your new promotion XD |
| 11:00.58 | FrozenFirebat | I've got 3 HDs with 900gb of 1.2TB used XD |
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| 11:02.57 | Zeerti | holy fuck this lady is pissed the fuck off |
| 11:03.08 | FrozenFirebat | really? |
| 11:04.59 | Zeerti | yeah |
| 11:05.02 | Zeerti | has a virus and is bitching |
| 11:05.28 | FrozenFirebat | did you tell her to take some Sudafed and get some rest? |
| 11:08.25 | FrozenFirebat | I lost connection for a minute there |
| 11:10.14 | Remy_ | hmm |
| 11:10.19 | Remy_ | starcraft doesn't like my identifiers |
| 11:10.27 | Remy_ | they have r__ prefixed |
| 11:10.33 | Remy_ | so r__someIdentifier |
| 11:10.38 | Remy_ | game doesn't launch |
| 11:11.03 | Remy_ | ckknights do you know if that's correct? |
| 11:11.09 | Remy_ | ckknight do you know if that's correct? |
| 11:11.31 | HP-snus | -[ 11:53.18 ]- -( FrozenFirebat ): Check your memory? |
| 11:11.31 | HP-snus | -[ 11:53.18 ]- -( HP-snus ): afk :p |
| 11:11.31 | HP-snus | -[ 11:53.22 ]- -( Zeerti ): Fixed about 100 errors |
| 11:11.33 | HP-snus | Zeerti |
| 11:11.36 | HP-snus | what do you mean by that |
| 11:11.52 | HP-snus | memchecks check memory, they dont fix it |
| 11:12.39 | Remy_ | o nvm my question |
| 11:12.54 | HP-snus | :O |
| 11:13.27 | HP-snus | i have no clue, havent started playing w editor yet :( |
| 11:14.39 | Zeerti | Well It scanned something and fixed a ton of errors |
| 11:14.43 | Zeerti | I figured it was the mem scan |
| 11:15.00 | HP-snus | if you dont know what you scanned itll be difficult for me :p |
| 11:15.33 | HP-snus | finals in 3:45 need to go read the book! |
| 11:15.36 | HP-snus | later |
| 11:29.47 | Remy_ | http://hpaste.org/fastcgi/hpaste.fcgi/view?id=24278#a24278 this doesn't compile in sc2. can someone tell me why? |
| 11:44.18 | veselu | try to have the string on one line |
| 11:44.22 | veselu | to write* |
| 11:46.03 | Remy_ | so |
| 11:46.06 | Remy_ | after some debugging |
| 11:46.17 | Remy_ | I get the feeling that locals need to be declared at the start of a function |
| 11:46.22 | Remy_ | before any other statements |
| 11:46.26 | Remy_ | is that correct? |
| 11:48.39 | veselu | from Mapster TD code, yes, i did that |
| 11:55.19 | Remy_ | vesulu was that an answer to my question? I didn't understand |
| 11:56.37 | veselu | it was an answer |
| 11:57.12 | veselu | from Mapter TD code I noticed that local variables were declared at function start |
| 11:57.20 | Remy_ | okay. right |
| 11:57.37 | Remy_ | yeah I just was not able to compile into sc2 with locals not at the function start |
| 11:57.42 | Remy_ | so I guess it is mandatory |
| 11:59.49 | Remy_ | okay |
| 12:00.00 | Remy_ | I finally have sc2 compile the dynamic allocation code |
| 12:00.25 | Remy_ | would anyone here like to test it a bit? |
| 12:00.32 | Remy_ | or is anyone willing? =D |
| 12:00.59 | veselu | i'm at work atm |
| 12:01.09 | Remy_ | ok |
| 12:01.16 | veselu | send an email with the code at veselu@gmail.com |
| 12:01.22 | veselu | I will test it tonight |
| 12:02.14 | Remy_ | it's not a specific piece of code that needs testing |
| 12:02.29 | Remy_ | instead it's the dynamic allocation functionality |
| 12:03.03 | Remy_ | it would be nice is someone could use it for whatever |
| 12:03.06 | Remy_ | and then see if it works |
| 12:03.19 | Remy_ | I have already tested it on some simple cases |
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| 12:24.24 | veselu | new addictive game: http://www.noob.us/games/flash-game-light-bot/ |
| 12:39.05 | Witchsong | ReadString() doesn't stop reading at the null termination. :S |
| 12:42.32 | ckknight | where does it stop? |
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| 12:47.05 | Repo | Knowledge base page update: http://www.sc2mapster.com/api-docs/types/ by vjeux |
| 12:47.46 | Repo | New knowledge base page: http://www.sc2mapster.com/api-docs/constants/ by vjeux |
| 12:48.39 | Repo | Knowledge base page update: http://www.sc2mapster.com/api-docs/constants/building-type/ by vjeux |
| 12:48.57 | veselu | do you guys use Total Commander? |
| 12:49.07 | Repo | Knowledge base page update: http://www.sc2mapster.com/api-docs/constans/unit-flag/ by vjeux |
| 12:49.24 | Repo | Knowledge base page update: http://www.sc2mapster.com/api-docs/constants/unit-flag/ by vjeux |
| 12:50.01 | Repo | Knowledge base page update: http://www.sc2mapster.com/api-docs/constants/color/ by vjeux |
| 12:50.57 | Repo | Knowledge base page update: http://www.sc2mapster.com/api-docs/constants/unit-type/ by vjeux |
| 12:51.23 | Repo | Knowledge base page update: http://www.sc2mapster.com/api-docs/constants/research-type/ by vjeux |
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| 12:53.07 | Repo | Knowledge base page update: http://www.sc2mapster.com/api-docs/constant/ability-flag/ by vjeux |
| 12:53.49 | Repo | Knowledge base page update: http://www.sc2mapster.com/api-docs/game-files/xml/abil-data-xml/ by vjeux |
| 12:55.12 | Repo | Knowledge base page update: http://www.sc2mapster.com/api-docs/constants/ability-flag/ by vjeux |
| 12:57.01 | Repo | Knowledge base page update: http://www.sc2mapster.com/api-docs/game-files/xml/abil-data-xml/ by vjeux |
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| 12:59.38 | Repo | Knowledge base page update: http://www.sc2mapster.com/api-docs/constants/ by vjeux |
| 13:00.18 | Repo | Knowledge base page update: http://www.sc2mapster.com/api-docs/functions/aiset-stock/ by vjeux |
| 13:01.08 | Witchsong | ckknight: Not sure, but when reading the list of bone names, it just included every bone name from the offset in each string. |
| 13:01.14 | Witchsong | And it ignored the first character. |
| 13:01.37 | Witchsong | Fixed it by using Encoding.ASCII, though. |
| 13:02.07 | vjeux | ok i'm done tweaking the wiki to make a new constants" |
| 13:02.09 | vjeux | "constants" folder |
| 13:02.33 | ckknight | nice |
| 13:02.42 | vjeux | Witchsong: are you working on the m3 model format? |
| 13:02.47 | Witchsong | Ya. |
| 13:03.19 | Witchsong | I'm writing a .net lib to read the known values now. |
| 13:03.38 | Witchsong | And trying to sort out what the unknowns can mean. |
| 13:03.40 | vjeux | great |
| 13:03.59 | vjeux | would be really nice if you could document it parallel of writing the lib |
| 13:04.06 | Witchsong | Sure. |
| 13:04.19 | Witchsong | Just gimme a pointer to where I should do it. :) |
| 13:04.21 | vjeux | http://www.sc2mapster.com/api-docs/game-files/ |
| 13:04.29 | vjeux | the m3 page |
| 13:05.13 | Witchsong | Sure, will do. :) |
| 13:05.19 | vjeux | thanks, would help a lot :) |
| 13:07.04 | vjeux | ckknight: would that be easy to make a list of recent wiki changes? |
| 13:07.23 | vjeux | this would really help coordinate the documentation effort |
| 13:08.40 | ckknight | no, that'd be very complicated |
| 13:09.04 | vjeux | hmmm |
| 13:09.30 | vjeux | what about having the repo bot log the updates somewhere else than irc |
| 13:09.43 | vjeux | in a text file readable by anyone |
| 13:14.33 | Repo | New knowledge base page: http://www.sc2mapster.com/api-docs/game-files/models/ by witchsong |
| 13:19.28 | vjeux | good start :) |
| 13:20.39 | Witchsong | I'm gonna have to finish watching Smallville before I continue. :P |
| 13:20.44 | vjeux | lol |
| 13:21.09 | veselu | :D |
| 13:21.43 | veselu | how is season 9? |
| 13:22.02 | vjeux | http://code.google.com/p/vgce/source/browse/#svn/trunk/docs/Blizzard/Starcraft II |
| 13:22.29 | vjeux | going to talk to deathnight, he did some useful digging stuff |
| 13:22.30 | Witchsong | No idea about season 9, we're at season 8 here. :) |
| 13:27.31 | Repo | Knowledge base page update: http://www.sc2mapster.com/api-docs/ by vjeux |
| 13:27.39 | Repo | Knowledge base page update: http://www.sc2mapster.com/api-docs/ by vjeux |
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| 13:43.49 | Repo | Knowledge base page update: http://www.sc2mapster.com/api-docs/types/int/ by vjeux |
| 13:50.17 | Repo | Knowledge base page update: http://www.sc2mapster.com/api-docs/game-files/ by vjeux |
| 13:56.43 | Repo | New knowledge base page: http://www.sc2mapster.com/api-docs/game-files/replay/ by vjeux |
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| 14:00.49 | veselu | I've found an easy way to browse s2ma files or mpq |
| 14:00.57 | veselu | it's just like entering a folder :) |
| 14:01.11 | veselu | Ladik made a plugin for Total Commander |
| 14:01.18 | Kaelten | g'morning |
| 14:01.22 | *** join/#sc2mapster vjeux (~3e278b01@gateway/web/freenode/x-rwgxiykfervtnryg) |
| 14:01.29 | veselu | in which you can add custom file extensions |
| 14:01.42 | veselu | so I've added s2ma |
| 14:01.53 | veselu | and voila, I can enter s2ma files like any archive |
| 14:01.58 | veselu | or folder |
| 14:02.23 | veselu | you can also copy files from 1 mpq from 1st tab to another in the 2nd tab |
| 14:02.37 | veselu | it's very easy to use s2ma files |
| 14:04.52 | Repo | Knowledge base page update: http://www.sc2mapster.com/api-docs/game-files/models/ by witchsong |
| 14:05.32 | Repo | Knowledge base page update: http://www.sc2mapster.com/api-docs/game-files/ by vjeux |
| 14:07.11 | vjeux | wow, sc2mapster linked in the curse newsletter |
| 14:07.15 | vjeux | going to make some traffic :p |
| 14:07.20 | Kaelten | hope so |
| 14:07.39 | ckknight | we already have a pretty strong community going |
| 14:08.31 | vjeux | http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/mapster-td/ |
| 14:08.37 | vjeux | wtf at the comment in chinese :p |
| 14:08.38 | Kaelten | it's growing pretty steady :) |
| 14:09.18 | Kaelten | ugh, internet is the suck |
| 14:09.35 | vjeux | that's korean in fact |
| 14:09.48 | vjeux | Korea goldeunbanim minutes, right? I've run this script, the custom ai jiwoorangeo Say something if you did you adjust difficulty, according to the original file's difficulty? It's easy for them to have to fill it with over 010 characters, please 5000 2052 |
| 14:10.10 | vjeux | I need a better translator than google :p |
| 14:10.22 | Kaelten | lol |
| 14:11.41 | veselu | lol |
| 14:17.46 | Kaelten | vjeux: nice video of the TD |
| 14:17.56 | vjeux | thanks |
| 14:17.59 | Kaelten | do we not have a way to make the builders invincible yet? |
| 14:18.03 | vjeux | we do |
| 14:18.28 | Kaelten | k, I thought I saw yours blow up |
| 14:18.38 | vjeux | yeah he died unfortunatly :( |
| 14:19.42 | vjeux | who do I have to contact to get access to the sc2mapster twitter account? |
| 14:20.04 | Kaelten | me |
| 14:20.22 | vjeux | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:22.21 | Repo | New knowledge base page: http://www.sc2mapster.com/api-docs/game-files/models/bone/ by witchsong |
| 14:26.35 | Repo | New knowledge base page: http://www.sc2mapster.com/api-docs/game-files/models/header/ by witchsong |
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| 14:34.35 | Remy_ | hey vjeux, did you take a look at the newest results of the precompiler? |
| 14:34.47 | vjeux | nop |
| 14:35.16 | Remy_ | well the dynamic allocation seems to work now |
| 14:35.30 | Remy_ | at least it is compiled by starcraft |
| 14:35.35 | vjeux | great |
| 14:35.43 | vjeux | using the new keyword? |
| 14:35.49 | Remy_ | yeah |
| 14:35.53 | Remy_ | new and delete |
| 14:35.56 | vjeux | great |
| 14:36.17 | Remy_ | MyStruct* foo = new MyStruct(); |
| 14:36.42 | Remy_ | MyStruct* ptr = ..; . delete MyStruct(ptr); |
| 14:36.57 | Remy_ | well |
| 14:37.07 | Remy_ | I haven't tested much |
| 14:37.13 | Remy_ | maybe you could try to use the system a bit? |
| 14:37.18 | vjeux | yep sure |
| 14:37.44 | Remy_ | I'm afraid that I'm a bit busy though today and tomorrow |
| 14:37.47 | Remy_ | so few updates |
| 14:37.55 | vjeux | do you know if that would be hard to simulate the C++ references (type&) |
| 14:40.19 | Remy_ | guess not |
| 14:40.53 | Remy_ | no |
| 14:40.56 | Remy_ | so that's what you'd like? |
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| 14:45.27 | vjeux | the & syntax is really helpful in C++ to avoid dealing with pointers |
| 14:46.09 | vjeux | does it create a new zip each time you commit? |
| 14:49.48 | vjeux | Remy_: I would recommand you to add some __ in the generated names no to make conflicts |
| 14:50.01 | Remy_ | yeah |
| 14:50.04 | vjeux | also, I don't have any haskell compiler, can't test :( |
| 14:50.07 | Remy_ | but I thought I was already doing that |
| 14:50.13 | Remy_ | al generated globals are prefixed with r__ |
| 14:50.15 | Remy_ | all |
| 14:50.25 | vjeux | ok nice |
| 14:50.32 | Remy_ | there is a binary on the project page |
| 14:50.38 | Remy_ | that's the tool, you can use that |
| 14:50.47 | vjeux | http://www.sc2mapster.com/assets/milkyway-precompiler/files/ |
| 14:50.48 | vjeux | where? |
| 14:51.15 | Remy_ | egh it still needs approval |
| 14:51.17 | Remy_ | it's called milkywaycompiler0.0.1 |
| 14:51.31 | vjeux | I'm not an admin ... can't approve |
| 14:51.43 | Remy_ | yeah |
| 14:51.51 | Remy_ | should I add the binary to the repository? |
| 14:52.09 | Remy_ | at least those you can access |
| 14:52.27 | vjeux | don't know what's the best method :p |
| 14:52.50 | vjeux | but does it make a new zip everytime you commit? |
| 14:53.50 | Remy_ | no commiting just uploads the source |
| 14:53.58 | Remy_ | I can't add zips to the repository or something |
| 14:54.01 | Remy_ | doesn't allow me to commit |
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| 14:54.35 | Remy_ | hey ckknight |
| 14:54.40 | Remy_ | can you approve the newest file in my project? |
| 14:54.45 | ckknight | howdy, friend |
| 14:54.46 | ckknight | yea, sure |
| 14:55.12 | Remy_ | thanks, bud |
| 14:55.35 | Xtek | Heyo. |
| 14:55.38 | vjeux | hey |
| 14:57.03 | Remy_ | so what are you planning to work on vjeux? concerning starcraft |
| 14:58.34 | vjeux | making sc2mapster the best site ever :p |
| 14:58.37 | veselu | vjeux nice game Fooo create :D |
| 14:58.48 | Zoxc | 1) Improve it's looks |
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| 14:58.58 | vjeux | Zoxc: are you a designer? :p |
| 14:59.08 | vjeux | veselu: thanks |
| 14:59.15 | Zoxc | no, but I hate the look :( |
| 15:02.03 | Zoxc | Remy_: allocation and freeing should just be p = new Point; delete p; |
| 15:02.33 | Remy_ | yeah for the "delete p" syntax I would have to do some type analysis |
| 15:02.35 | Xtek | Zoxc, well thankfully you have the choice of not looking at it. :) |
| 15:02.44 | Xtek | See how easy that is. |
| 15:02.45 | Remy_ | but new Point is okay. |
| 15:03.00 | Remy_ | indeed new Point and delete p are better. |
| 15:03.30 | Zoxc | some type analysis won't hurt ya |
| 15:03.42 | Remy_ | yeah |
| 15:03.45 | Remy_ | is planned |
| 15:04.30 | Zoxc | also I struct limit(200) name is a better syntax for limits, or struct[200] name |
| 15:04.33 | ckknight | Zoxc: what's your username on sc2mapster? |
| 15:04.40 | Zoxc | none? |
| 15:05.36 | ckknight | if you had one, you'd be able to alter your theme |
| 15:05.53 | Xtek | There are a bunch to chose from. |
| 15:06.02 | Xtek | choose* |
| 15:06.10 | dusthawk | I prefer chose |
| 15:06.22 | Xtek | Me too. |
| 15:06.50 | Repo | New knowledge base page: http://www.sc2mapster.com/api-docs/game-files/models/vertex/ by witchsong |
| 15:07.08 | Zoxc | well default theme puts me off and I'm too lazy to read your ToS |
| 15:07.30 | ckknight | ... |
| 15:07.34 | ckknight | Zoxc: I think you're just a dick |
| 15:09.40 | Zoxc | because the default theme looks like crap? |
| 15:09.51 | vjeux | Witchsong: The UV values are stored as two signed 16-bit integers. To get the floating point values, each should be divided by 2048. |
| 15:09.58 | vjeux | they should be stored as fixed |
| 15:10.04 | Witchsong | Fixed? |
| 15:10.09 | vjeux | http://www.sc2mapster.com/api-docs/types/fixed/ |
| 15:10.10 | ckknight | Zoxc: and you're unwilling to say why, unwilling to log in and see the other themes |
| 15:10.49 | Xtek | ckknight, maturity doesn't grow on trees! |
| 15:10.58 | Zoxc | that's because I have to register first |
| 15:11.04 | Xtek | *gasp* |
| 15:11.14 | Witchsong | Never seen the data type fixed before. |
| 15:11.42 | Witchsong | Is that a valid data type in C++? |
| 15:11.49 | vjeux | don't know |
| 15:11.55 | Witchsong | It is Galaxy, or? |
| 15:11.55 | ckknight | it's not, Witchsong |
| 15:11.57 | ckknight | it's Galaxy |
| 15:12.01 | Witchsong | Oh. |
| 15:12.09 | Witchsong | Well, how am I gonna read the value? |
| 15:12.09 | ckknight | it's a 32-bit integer that uses the ending 12 bits as its decimal |
| 15:12.13 | vjeux | anyway that's just an int32 >> 2^something |
| 15:12.23 | ckknight | Witchsong: vjeux made a FixedToString function |
| 15:12.37 | Witchsong | Ah, found the function now. :) |
| 15:12.54 | Witchsong | Well, this explains a whole lot - I didn't expect the models to be based on Galaxy. |
| 15:14.05 | vjeux | fixed2float(int32 fixed) { return (float)fixed / 4096; } |
| 15:14.50 | vjeux | you may want to convert to double first not to lose precision |
| 15:15.51 | vjeux | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fixed-point_arithmetic |
| 15:16.15 | Witchsong | But the UV values are int16. |
| 15:16.22 | Witchsong | Is that why we divide by 2048? |
| 15:16.24 | vjeux | so they must be fixed16 :p |
| 15:17.25 | nicoli_s | Witchsong: thats just so they can store stuff in smaller values |
| 15:17.31 | nicoli_s | instead of using 4 bytes for floats, they use 2 |
| 15:17.40 | nicoli_s | they started doing that later on in the wow formats |
| 15:18.14 | Witchsong | But question is; do you still divide it by 4096? |
| 15:18.42 | nicoli_s | prob not |
| 15:18.58 | nicoli_s | if it works when dividing by 2048, thats prob what is meant to be used at that point |
| 15:19.13 | Witchsong | It works okayish with 2048. |
| 15:19.19 | Witchsong | Still some glitches, though. |
| 15:19.36 | nicoli_s | well tverts look ok with using 2048 |
| 15:19.42 | vjeux | fixed8 : / 256, fixed16: / 2048, fixed32: / 4096 |
| 15:19.53 | ckknight | you sure it's not 1024? |
| 15:19.54 | nicoli_s | ahh well that explains it right there |
| 15:20.06 | ckknight | that's keep the pattern |
| 15:20.17 | ckknight | 256 * 4 = 1024, 1024 * 4 = 4096 |
| 15:20.27 | nicoli_s | well i dunno about fixed8, but fixed16 is def 2048 |
| 15:20.31 | ckknight | okay then |
| 15:22.00 | *** topic/#sc2mapster by Kaelten -> http://sc2mapster.com/ | Players spreadsheet: http://averageurl.com/sc2/ | Pure Win: http://www.cad-comic.com/cad/20100224 |
| 15:24.43 | ckknight | Remy_: it'd be nice to have constructors for the structs in your precompiler |
| 15:25.18 | Remy_ | yeah? can't you just define functions that work like constructors? |
| 15:26.25 | Repo | Knowledge base page update: http://www.sc2mapster.com/api-docs/types/fixed/ by vjeux |
| 15:27.20 | vjeux | Witchsong: can you check if the fixed16 is signed or not |
| 15:27.51 | Witchsong | The value should be signed. |
| 15:28.29 | Witchsong | At least unsigned made glitches in the texture. |
| 15:28.35 | vjeux | ok |
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| 15:28.47 | Sixen | rawr |
| 15:29.00 | vjeux | hey |
| 15:29.41 | vjeux | why /255 and not 256? |
| 15:29.55 | Sixen | Whatever it is, i'm guessing 0-255? |
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| 15:33.13 | vjeux | Witchsong |
| 15:33.25 | Witchsong | Yes? |
| 15:33.35 | vjeux | why /255 and not 256? |
| 15:33.53 | vjeux | for the bone weights |
| 15:33.57 | Witchsong | A byte cannot hold values greater than 255. |
| 15:34.09 | Witchsong | And the weights should add up to 1.0 |
| 15:34.29 | Witchsong | 255/256 != 1.0 |
| 15:34.33 | Witchsong | :) |
| 15:34.53 | vjeux | hmm |
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| 15:35.19 | Shaki|Unloved | Yo. |
| 15:35.25 | vjeux | there's no reason it should add up to 1.0 |
| 15:35.40 | nicoli_s | vjeux: thats how the bone weights always worked in the models |
| 15:35.45 | vjeux | the maximum value is 255 not 256 |
| 15:35.46 | Witchsong | There is, because the weights should add up to 1.0 in 3ds Max |
| 15:36.24 | vjeux | ok |
| 15:37.41 | Witchsong | "B16 is often used in 32 bit systems because it works simply by multiplying and dividing by 65536 (or shifting 16 bits)." |
| 15:37.42 | ckknight | Remy_: well, if you have the new Type(); syntax, I'd want to do new Type("hey", "there"); |
| 15:38.17 | vjeux | fixed-arithmetic is used for computers with no floating point arithmetic :p |
| 15:38.36 | Witchsong | Well, it's the same concept. |
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| 15:38.41 | Zoxc | or Blizzard to avoid emulating floating points |
| 15:38.46 | Sixen | -_- |
| 15:39.14 | Remy_ | but you can easily define a function that takes two strings are returns of pointer of type Type* by using "new Type();" |
| 15:39.21 | vjeux | it's basically a float without the exponent information, so smaller |
| 15:39.39 | Remy_ | I don't see why you want to be able to overload the constructor. |
| 15:39.40 | Witchsong | And is there any logical reason why we need to neagate the V value? |
| 15:39.52 | Remy_ | maybe you just want overloading? |
| 15:39.58 | vjeux | because the coordinate system starts at the bottom left I guess |
| 15:40.08 | vjeux | that's how it works in opengl at least |
| 15:40.31 | Zoxc | Remy_: He didn't request overloading |
| 15:40.44 | Witchsong | Ah, I guess that makes sense. |
| 15:42.03 | Shaki|Unloved | Hai sixen |
| 15:42.27 | Sixen | Hello |
| 15:42.56 | Repo | Knowledge base page update: http://www.sc2mapster.com/api-docs/game-files/models/vertex/ by witchsong |
| 15:43.56 | ckknight | Remy_: no, I want to remove the non-argument new Type() and define my own. |
| 15:44.07 | ckknight | that does have arguments |
| 15:44.13 | ckknight | basically so I can have extra logic in the constructor |
| 15:44.20 | vjeux | Tangents are for lightning |
| 15:45.10 | vjeux | hmm, or maybe normals ... |
| 15:46.45 | Witchsong | Normals are for lightning. |
| 15:47.06 | Witchsong | I am not sure, but wouldn't normals and tangents serve the same purpose? |
| 15:47.13 | Witchsong | You usually use the tangent to find the normal? |
| 15:49.45 | Witchsong | The tangent values looked something like this in one of the files: 1.0, 0.39~, 1.0, 0.39~, which makes it seem they are something else, some sort of scales or something. |
| 15:49.58 | Sixen | What're you talking about? m3? |
| 15:50.01 | Witchsong | Ya. |
| 15:50.42 | vjeux | what are the normal associated? |
| 15:50.52 | nicoli_s | yah i dunno Witchsong, that does seem scale-like |
| 15:51.22 | Witchsong | But what would they scale? And they don't seem to affect the rendering? |
| 15:52.01 | vjeux | deformation scaling? |
| 15:52.51 | Witchsong | What exactly does deformation mean? |
| 15:53.40 | vjeux | by what factor the vertex can deviate from it's original position (that's a complete guess) |
| 15:54.26 | Witchsong | I.e. a limit? |
| 15:56.11 | vjeux | 1: can't deviate, 0: deviate anywhere, 0.4 -> 1/0.4 = 2.5 : can be moved at a maximum 2.5 distance of the current position |
| 15:56.46 | vjeux | i'm not even sure they do deformation |
| 15:57.13 | Witchsong | Well, it's a plausible explanation. |
| 15:57.42 | nicoli_s | indeed it is |
| 15:58.52 | Witchsong | How much the vertex moves is already defined by animations/bones/stuff. If I removed the containt, it wouldn't actually make a difference in how much it deviates? If I've understood you correctly, that is. :p |
| 15:59.32 | Witchsong | But the question is then - what do they base these values on? Are they taken from 3ds Max? |
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| 16:02.38 | nicoli_s | heya Hunter_Killers |
| 16:02.45 | Hunter_Killers | hey |
| 16:02.51 | Sixen | Hai2u HK |
| 16:05.02 | Hunter_Killers | i wish blizzard hadn't taken out the weapons that sprayed a target |
| 16:05.17 | Sixen | Weed killer? |
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| 16:05.30 | Hunter_Killers | like the valkyrie |
| 16:05.32 | Iggyhopper | just came here to say i gtg lol |
| 16:05.37 | Iggyhopper | lol |
| 16:06.36 | Iggyhopper | i have adv programming in like 30 minutes |
| 16:06.36 | Sixen | Bye Iggy. |
| 16:06.36 | Sixen | lol |
| 16:06.36 | Iggyhopper | i will be back! |
| 16:06.36 | Iggyhopper | in1.5h |
| 16:06.36 | nicoli_s | lol |
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| 16:10.28 | nicoli_s | welcome bifuu |
| 16:10.51 | nicoli_s | do you have an acct bifuu? |
| 16:11.14 | Bifuu | yea |
| 16:11.19 | Bifuu | and lol at that comic too |
| 16:11.36 | Sixen | I lol'd too :p |
| 16:12.25 | Bifuu | omg its tuesday |
| 16:12.33 | Bifuu | i get paid today wewt |
| 16:12.50 | vjeux | you are rich now! congratz |
| 16:12.56 | nicoli_s | lucky |
| 16:13.12 | Bifuu | rich my ass |
| 16:13.13 | nicoli_s | i get paid in a week |
| 16:13.19 | Repo | New knowledge base page: http://www.sc2mapster.com/api-docs/game-files/models/tag/ by witchsong |
| 16:13.23 | Bifuu | i work minimum wage at a pizza place |
| 16:15.48 | Bifuu | heyyyyyyyyyyyyy |
| 16:15.53 | Bifuu | where did my flags page go |
| 16:16.05 | vjeux | i've added a Constant group |
| 16:16.10 | vjeux | at the root of the doc |
| 16:16.15 | Bifuu | ah |
| 16:22.39 | Sixen | vjeux :( |
| 16:22.46 | Repo | Knowledge base page update: http://www.sc2mapster.com/api-docs/game-files/xml/weapon-data-xml/ by Bifuu |
| 16:22.52 | vjeux | yeah you want a hello world map :p |
| 16:22.57 | Sixen | Approval queue (Nothing) |
| 16:23.21 | Bifuu | dont give in! |
| 16:23.44 | vjeux | let's make a deal |
| 16:23.52 | vjeux | you will have the hello world when I will be @ :p |
| 16:24.20 | Sixen | -_^ |
| 16:25.21 | *** mode/#sc2mapster [+o vjeux] by nicoli_s |
| 16:25.24 | nicoli_s | done :P |
| 16:25.50 | Sixen | k gogo |
| 16:26.42 | vjeux | ok ... I lost :p |
| 16:26.45 | vjeux | going home |
| 16:26.48 | vjeux | will do it then |
| 16:26.57 | vjeux | ckknight: http://www.sc2mapster.com/home/projects/ |
| 16:27.08 | vjeux | I see the curseforge projects instead of the mapster ones |
| 16:27.31 | vjeux | ahh nevermind, a project is different than an asset :x |
| 16:27.31 | vjeux | sorry |
| 16:27.36 | ckknight | go to maps |
| 16:27.37 | ckknight | or assets |
| 16:27.54 | Bifuu | oh ck! |
| 16:28.02 | vjeux | "Recently updated projects" shows assets and maps :P |
| 16:28.08 | Bifuu | im pretty sure the ability to not autosort will be needed |
| 16:30.42 | Sixen | Autosort what? |
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| 16:31.21 | Bifuu | For XMLDOCs |
| 16:31.35 | Bifuu | right now it autosorts the children nodes alphabetically |
| 16:31.53 | Bifuu | but some xml files like ValidatorData looks like its in a specific order |
| 16:33.55 | Sixen | Jesus christ... Has anyone seen this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TeFqPofHlIc |
| 16:34.05 | Sixen | I'll let him know |
| 16:35.11 | Bifuu | lol crazy map |
| 16:35.44 | Sixen | That's nus.. |
| 16:35.45 | Sixen | nuts |
| 16:36.54 | vjeux | :) |
| 16:37.17 | ckknight | btw, Bifuu, I'll deal with the autosorting thing later today |
| 16:37.59 | nicoli_s | heh, i was part of the team working on that sixen |
| 16:38.10 | nicoli_s | at least the original fps mod |
| 16:40.00 | Sixen | Seriously, nic? :X |
| 16:40.07 | vjeux | nic is your master! |
| 16:40.10 | Witchsong | The EU WoW support team sucks. |
| 16:40.49 | Witchsong | They claim they cannot move my WoW account to another Battle.net account belonging to me, while the US support team just did it for my US WoW accounts. |
| 16:40.50 | Witchsong | -.- |
| 16:41.01 | Bifuu | thanks ck |
| 16:41.31 | Bifuu | lol Witch |
| 16:42.16 | Witchsong | My response to their email was something along the lines of "That's utter BULLCRAP!" :p |
| 16:42.42 | Bifuu | hahaha |
| 16:42.48 | Bifuu | O.o that was easy |
| 16:42.48 | nicoli_s | yah sixen, the original fps mod was going to be sc themed actually |
| 16:42.56 | nicoli_s | i did a bunch of really cool models for it |
| 16:42.57 | Repo | New knowledge base page: http://www.sc2mapster.com/api-docs/game-files/xml/upgrade-data-xml/ by Bifuu |
| 16:43.04 | Bifuu | ^ that page is done xD |
| 16:43.04 | nicoli_s | did a nice zergling, hydralisk, and lurker |
| 16:43.25 | nicoli_s | have fun doing the requirement data :P that one looks to be a bitch |
| 16:43.41 | Bifuu | Now in sc2, make a warcraft themed fps |
| 16:44.10 | nicoli_s | lol |
| 16:44.21 | Sixen | =o |
| 16:47.03 | vjeux | great Bifuu |
| 16:47.28 | vjeux | btw, i'm just talking to someone from udmod and he really likes your xml documentations |
| 16:47.53 | Bifuu | yays |
| 16:48.09 | Bifuu | i was starting tot hink it might be confusing people |
| 16:52.15 | Repo | New knowledge base page: http://www.sc2mapster.com/api-docs/game-files/xml/requirement-data-xml/ by Bifuu |
| 16:52.16 | Bifuu | oh yeah so hard |
| 16:52.26 | Bifuu | =P |
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| 16:54.38 | nicoli_s | well you know what i mean, its cheating if you dont do requirementnodedata too :P |
| 16:54.49 | Repo | Knowledge base page update: http://www.sc2mapster.com/api-docs/game-files/xml/requirement-data-xml/ by Bifuu |
| 16:54.54 | Bifuu | lol |
| 16:55.08 | Bifuu | nope you didnt say node! |
| 16:55.48 | Bifuu | But yeah node looks confusing |
| 16:58.10 | nicoli_s | its crazy how complicated some of those requirements look |
| 16:58.35 | Bifuu | like |
| 16:58.36 | Bifuu | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:58.36 | Bifuu | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:58.36 | Bifuu | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:58.36 | Bifuu | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:58.38 | Bifuu | ? |
| 16:58.38 | Bifuu | lol |
| 16:58.53 | nicoli_s | lol yeah stuff like this |
| 16:59.28 | vjeux | lol |
| 16:59.47 | Bifuu | i mean i see how it works |
| 16:59.51 | Bifuu | but |
| 17:00.00 | Bifuu | at the same time my brain is sizzling |
| 17:00.17 | Bifuu | its like they all link to each other |
| 17:00.39 | nicoli_s | i dont even want to imagine how complicated the editor will have to be to visualize and allow people to edit that stuff |
| 17:00.45 | Bifuu | CRequirementAnd just says , hey we are linking 2 pther requirements together |
| 17:01.01 | Bifuu | AndEq1429793488CountUpgradeTerranInfantryWeaponsLevel1CompleteOnly1CountUnitArmoryCompleteOnly is the name of both of them smashed together |
| 17:01.21 | Bifuu | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:01.22 | Bifuu | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:01.31 | Bifuu | thast the links to both of them separate |
| 17:01.43 | Bifuu | then like you go find those, and those have even more links |
| 17:03.34 | vjeux | must be automatically generated |
| 17:03.47 | Bifuu | most likely |
| 17:04.01 | Bifuu | unless Blizzard has one or two people that are just mad |
| 17:04.09 | vjeux | possible too :p |
| 17:05.45 | Bifuu | lol well im working on it now so ill be next O.o |
| 17:07.02 | nicoli_s | gl with that |
| 17:07.12 | nicoli_s | its my lunch break so im gonna work on map placement some more |
| 17:07.26 | Bifuu | k |
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| 17:08.03 | Corbo | Hai |
| 17:08.04 | vjeux | going to make another API Preview featuring your xml work and Witchsong m3 files |
| 17:08.30 | Corbo | what are we talking about? |
| 17:08.50 | vjeux | blizzard madness |
| 17:09.10 | Corbo | :o |
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| 17:09.38 | vjeux | doing PR takes too much time, need to get back documenting stuff |
| 17:10.49 | Sixen | lol |
| 17:11.05 | Witchsong | Does C# support references (like type& in C++)? |
| 17:11.08 | Sixen | I suppose that's my job.. |
| 17:11.13 | Sixen | I can do something today, vjeux. |
| 17:11.23 | vjeux | have no idea Witchsong |
| 17:11.24 | nicoli_s | Witchsong: dont think so |
| 17:11.45 | vjeux | are there pointers in C# ? |
| 17:11.56 | Witchsong | So I cannot pass in an object to a function and make it do changes to it? |
| 17:12.15 | nicoli_s | Witchsong: you can |
| 17:12.24 | vjeux | C# is garbage collected |
| 17:12.27 | nicoli_s | objects are by default passed by reference |
| 17:12.32 | Witchsong | Ah, okay. |
| 17:14.02 | Fisker | C# have pointers i believe |
| 17:14.09 | Fisker | But microsoft doesn't like you using them i think |
| 17:15.04 | vjeux | Sixen: we need him |
| 17:15.04 | vjeux | http://code.google.com/p/vgce/source/browse/trunk/docs/Blizzard/Starcraft+II/ |
| 17:15.20 | vjeux | need the replay stuff he got |
| 17:15.22 | Sixen | i'll e-mail him |
| 17:15.27 | Sixen | also, we can make a Cat n Mouse map |
| 17:15.28 | Sixen | :D |
| 17:16.04 | nicoli_s | vjeux: what replay stuff do you need? |
| 17:16.08 | Corbo | SHARKS N FISH |
| 17:16.17 | nicoli_s | i would advise not trying to bother with replays just because the format is a total bitch |
| 17:16.44 | vjeux | having the replay format documented in sc2mapster would be nice |
| 17:16.57 | nicoli_s | well the issue is we dont want the format documented |
| 17:17.11 | nicoli_s | we want to do our own replay site, so its not in our best interest to document it just yet |
| 17:18.11 | Bifuu | i need to stop clicking on your links, it freaks me out |
| 17:18.21 | vjeux | ok |
| 17:18.25 | Bifuu | "OMG WHERE DID MY DOCUMENT GO?!?!? oh wait yeah, tabs" |
| 17:18.26 | Sixen | nic, there's already a replay site |
| 17:18.33 | Sixen | sc2rc.com |
| 17:18.37 | nicoli_s | sixen: theres already a bunch of replay sites |
| 17:18.40 | nicoli_s | that site blows |
| 17:18.46 | nicoli_s | and has like maybe a few thousand downloads |
| 17:18.52 | Sixen | yeah, you're right. our site is so much better |
| 17:18.56 | nicoli_s | hell even nibbits already has millions of downloads |
| 17:19.09 | nicoli_s | sixen: dont be a smartass when you dont know what you are talking about |
| 17:19.25 | nicoli_s | the replay format is very complicated and cant really be figured out without alot of assembly reverse engineeringh |
| 17:19.32 | nicoli_s | its not as simple as just go out and do it |
| 17:19.36 | Sixen | I can't be a smartass too? ;) |
| 17:19.44 | vjeux | don't you think they are going to store replay along with the new battle.net? |
| 17:19.45 | nicoli_s | which is why none of the replay sites have anything other than basic info |
| 17:19.51 | nicoli_s | they prob are vjeux |
| 17:20.00 | nicoli_s | but we are going to focus on analytics of the replays |
| 17:20.01 | Sixen | Whatcha mean? |
| 17:20.13 | vjeux | ok |
| 17:20.56 | nicoli_s | sixen: i really wouldnt worry too much, like i said, im almost 100% sure figuring out the cool part of replays is going to be beyond all of these sites' grasp |
| 17:22.04 | Bifuu | theres a cool part of replays?! |
| 17:22.05 | Bifuu | =P |
| 17:22.29 | vjeux | you don't even want to display the winner not to spoil the game :p |
| 17:22.29 | nicoli_s | well just showing who was in it is pretty boring |
| 17:22.42 | Corbo | k |
| 17:22.46 | Bifuu | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:22.46 | Bifuu | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:22.46 | Bifuu | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:22.46 | Bifuu | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:22.50 | Bifuu | someone figure out the eq |
| 17:22.51 | Bifuu | gogo |
| 17:23.21 | vjeux | Equal |
| 17:23.26 | vjeux | A = B |
| 17:23.32 | Bifuu | holy shit i didnt think about that |
| 17:23.35 | Bifuu | <3 u |
| 17:23.41 | vjeux | np |
| 17:23.53 | Bifuu | im sitting here like |
| 17:23.57 | Bifuu | equation? |
| 17:24.00 | nicoli_s | lol |
| 17:24.03 | Bifuu | adding 0 to the mothership count? |
| 17:24.08 | Bifuu | that doesnt make sense! |
| 17:24.41 | nicoli_s | so that says check to see if they have 0 mothershipos active or queueed right? |
| 17:25.26 | Hunter_Killers | CountUnit(Mothership,QueuedOrBetter) == {No Mothership}0 |
| 17:25.48 | Bifuu | basically yeah |
| 17:26.02 | vjeux | Number of mothership (or better) queued = 0 |
| 17:26.34 | Sixen | So do we want thsi deathknight guy or nah? |
| 17:27.13 | vjeux | couldn't hurt to speak to him |
| 17:27.55 | nicoli_s | yeah i mean gather as many people as we can |
| 17:28.20 | Bifuu | i thing (or better) goes after queued, as in, in queue or hey theres one floating in the sky right now! |
| 17:29.00 | Bifuu | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:29.00 | Bifuu | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:29.00 | Bifuu | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:29.00 | Bifuu | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:29.03 | Bifuu | figure that opne |
| 17:29.04 | Bifuu | lol |
| 17:29.06 | Bifuu | the LT |
| 17:29.11 | nicoli_s | less than |
| 17:29.12 | Bifuu | oh |
| 17:29.12 | Bifuu | nm |
| 17:29.15 | Bifuu | lol |
| 17:29.20 | nicoli_s | you have to have less than interceptor |
| 17:29.21 | Bifuu | can you tell i just woke up?! |
| 17:29.26 | nicoli_s | lol |
| 17:29.32 | vjeux | :p |
| 17:29.40 | Bifuu | i need a soda lol brb |
| 17:30.10 | vjeux | Sixen: basically anyone that did some stuff on sc2 is good |
| 17:30.32 | vjeux | even if he is not directly involved in map making he knows for sure people that are |
| 17:30.39 | vjeux | or will be |
| 17:30.43 | Sixen | Mmkay. |
| 17:31.18 | vjeux | it's way better to target people that actually did sc2 hacking than everyone around |
| 17:31.30 | Sixen | truth |
| 17:31.59 | vjeux | at the moment there are not too much of them. we want everyone of them to know we exists and we are close to them |
| 17:32.16 | vjeux | that way, they are going to come to us OR to advice their friends to |
| 17:33.36 | Sixen | truth |
| 17:33.39 | Sixen | alright, i'l le-mail him |
| 17:33.43 | Sixen | gotta go to class, bbs. |
| 17:33.56 | *** part/#sc2mapster Sixen (~Sixen@149.169.138.49) |
| 17:34.32 | Corbo | playing a game crashes even when you only have graphic changes? |
| 17:35.15 | vjeux | http://www.udmod.com/showthread.php?526-About-Galaxy-Zoxc-explains!&p=6392#post6392 |
| 17:35.23 | vjeux | Zoxc: you are famous |
| 17:35.41 | Bifuu | Corbo: Considering i played a melee game with a bunch of spheres i think you can change graphics |
| 17:35.46 | Bifuu | melee as in ladder |
| 17:36.08 | Corbo | that's weird |
| 17:36.12 | Corbo | I keep desynching. |
| 17:36.42 | Bifuu | hmm |
| 17:36.57 | Bifuu | dunno >.< |
| 17:37.26 | Corbo | who wants to play my first actual real game with me? :D |
| 17:38.21 | nicoli_s | i would but im about to have to go back to work :( |
| 17:38.32 | Bifuu | hmm |
| 17:38.40 | Bifuu | this seems like a waste of space |
| 17:38.40 | Bifuu | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:38.41 | Bifuu | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:38.41 | Bifuu | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:38.56 | nicoli_s | lol |
| 17:39.06 | Corbo | .... |
| 17:39.10 | Corbo | wow |
| 17:39.14 | Bifuu | lol |
| 17:39.19 | Corbo | anyway |
| 17:39.26 | Corbo | I'll play with other bnet weird people |
| 17:41.00 | ckknight | Corbo: are you US? |
| 17:41.50 | Remy_ | vjeux did you check out the precompiler yet? |
| 17:42.01 | vjeux | no |
| 17:42.01 | vjeux | p |
| 17:42.08 | Remy_ | you should! |
| 17:42.10 | vjeux | yeah! |
| 17:42.11 | Remy_ | its awesome! |
| 17:42.15 | Bifuu | ! |
| 17:42.19 | vjeux | good point, going to add it to my news |
| 17:43.07 | Witchsong | What does the precompiler do? |
| 17:43.17 | vjeux | Bifuu: could you be kind enough to make a one-line documentation for all the xml you documented |
| 17:43.22 | Remy_ | allow the use of new and delete |
| 17:43.26 | Remy_ | and syntax checking |
| 17:43.45 | Witchsong | Ah. |
| 17:44.50 | Bifuu | Like a list of all the pages i did? |
| 17:45.00 | vjeux | for example WeaponData.xml - Everything related to attacks (damage, targets, model, cost, ...) |
| 17:45.10 | Remy_ | so.. who is actually coding something in galaxy? |
| 17:45.26 | vjeux | no one xD |
| 17:45.29 | Bifuu | ah k and you did one for me, how sweet =P |
| 17:45.37 | vjeux | :) |
| 17:46.04 | vjeux | I need it for the news, having only the filename is not enough to fully understand what's inside |
| 17:46.47 | Remy_ | hmm |
| 17:46.55 | Remy_ | maybe someone from darkblizz? |
| 17:47.00 | Remy_ | they are making some AI right |
| 17:47.25 | nicoli_s | yep |
| 17:47.38 | nicoli_s | i was thinking of starting on my first actual map this week |
| 17:48.01 | nicoli_s | basically i was thinking of a defense tester map |
| 17:48.20 | Bifuu | AbilData.xml - Holds the data for the abilities and spells Units use in Battle |
| 17:48.20 | Bifuu | RequirementData.xml - Holds data on the requirements needed to perform many actions |
| 17:48.20 | Bifuu | RequirementNodeData.xml - Holds additionaly specifics for requirements |
| 17:48.20 | Bifuu | UpgradeData.xml - Holds the data for Unit upgrades |
| 17:48.20 | Bifuu | WeaponData.xml - Everything related to attacks (damage, targets, model, cost, ...) |
| 17:48.28 | nicoli_s | so the map would have a set enemy race, and it would be setup so all its units take 0 time and resources to make |
| 17:48.36 | nicoli_s | but its ai would be turned off by default |
| 17:48.37 | Bifuu | ill be done with node in a few minutes so i included it |
| 17:48.50 | nicoli_s | and then via chat messages, you can create waves of units to come attack you |
| 17:49.06 | vjeux | thanks |
| 17:49.14 | vjeux | would be nice nicoli_s |
| 17:49.26 | vjeux | need -spawn 10 zergling |
| 17:49.33 | nicoli_s | yah exactly |
| 17:49.42 | Hunter_Killers | i need a custom ai for the mod i'm working on |
| 17:49.45 | vjeux | shouldn't be hard to do |
| 17:50.18 | Hunter_Killers | need=i'm making one* |
| 17:52.12 | nicoli_s | nice Hunter_Killers |
| 17:52.15 | Bifuu | i havnt done anything for my first map =D |
| 17:52.31 | nicoli_s | i keep getting distracted with my editor :P |
| 17:52.47 | Bifuu | well i planned out some things for another idea i might not beable to pull off unless the limit on unit HP goes up |
| 17:53.15 | Bifuu | plus that idea would take ALOT so my first map will prolly be some kind of Top Down shooter game |
| 17:54.05 | Bifuu | like Space War! SC2 edition |
| 17:54.52 | Bifuu | omfg the id on this thing |
| 17:55.03 | Bifuu | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:55.34 | vjeux | http://oneclick-code.blogspot.com/ |
| 17:55.37 | vjeux | wow that's really nice |
| 17:56.02 | Bifuu | wow |
| 17:56.15 | Bifuu | brb |
| 17:58.53 | Bifuu | back |
| 17:59.26 | nicoli_s | yah cool stuff |
| 17:59.38 | vjeux | another one we need! |
| 18:04.38 | nicoli_s | nice, think i finally got my unit placement on the map working |
| 18:04.59 | vjeux | screen or it didn't happen :P |
| 18:05.01 | vjeux | (great!) |
| 18:05.45 | nicoli_s | just gotta get the addition of new units via click working, and then find out why my modified objects file is making maps not load and ill be ready for a new release |
| 18:06.45 | vjeux | do you have the terrain displayed? |
| 18:09.17 | Repo | New knowledge base page: http://www.sc2mapster.com/api-docs/game-files/xml/requirement-node-data-xml/ by Bifuu |
| 18:09.18 | Bifuu | Stupid bot is slow |
| 18:09.21 | Bifuu | there it is |
| 18:10.24 | nicoli_s | vjeux: nope |
| 18:10.31 | nicoli_s | that would require 3d shit, not enough time for that |
| 18:10.38 | nicoli_s | it just displays the shitty minimap image |
| 18:10.44 | vjeux | oh alright |
| 18:11.09 | vjeux | Bifuu: wow, nice work |
| 18:11.31 | Bifuu | tyty |
| 18:11.42 | Bifuu | ganna try to knock out race data real fast |
| 18:11.44 | nicoli_s | very nice Bifuu |
| 18:12.56 | vjeux | (can you just make the one-line explanation before so I can have it on my news) |
| 18:13.12 | Corbo | I lost QQ |
| 18:13.33 | *** join/#sc2mapster Sholdak (Sholdak@ool-18b9bd8b.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 18:15.51 | nicoli_s | hey there sholdak |
| 18:16.42 | Corbo | k |
| 18:16.59 | Corbo | gonna go write more on the tutorial then class |
| 18:17.00 | Bifuu | RaceData.xml - Contains some information on the races of Starcraft? lol |
| 18:17.09 | Bifuu | not much to it i guess |
| 18:17.10 | Corbo | some ;o |
| 18:17.41 | nicoli_s | i feel ya corbo, i have lost most of my matches too :P |
| 18:17.59 | Corbo | maybe we should play together then :P |
| 18:18.24 | Corbo | k |
| 18:18.28 | Corbo | back to productive more |
| 18:18.28 | Corbo | bai |
| 18:18.30 | Corbo | mode* |
| 18:20.52 | Shaki|Unloved | hmm |
| 18:20.54 | Shaki|Unloved | Sup |
| 18:20.55 | Shaki|Unloved | :P |
| 18:21.31 | Shaki|Unloved | hm |
| 18:23.21 | Shaki|Unloved | sup? |
| 18:23.26 | Shaki|Unloved | O_O vjeux |
| 18:23.34 | Shaki|Unloved | you're an admin now ;O |
| 18:23.44 | vjeux | yeah got promoted |
| 18:23.48 | Shaki|Unloved | grats! |
| 18:23.51 | vjeux | but I have to work in exchange :( |
| 18:23.57 | Bifuu | suckerrr |
| 18:24.02 | Shaki|Unloved | what do you mean? |
| 18:24.16 | vjeux | I've made a pact with the devil (Sixen actually) |
| 18:24.28 | Repo | New knowledge base page: http://www.sc2mapster.com/api-docs/game-files/xml/race-data-xml/ by Bifuu |
| 18:24.31 | vjeux | he wanted a hello world project on sc2mapster, I wanted @ :p |
| 18:24.42 | Shaki|Unloved | oh cool |
| 18:24.59 | *** join/#sc2mapster veselu (~yoyosan@188.26.131.212) |
| 18:25.18 | Repo | Knowledge base page update: http://www.sc2mapster.com/api-docs/constants/ability-flag/ by Bifuu |
| 18:25.48 | Bifuu | Finished that right on time, time to get ready for work bbl |
| 18:26.19 | nicoli_s | shaki: vjeux also works for us |
| 18:26.31 | Shaki|Unloved | o |
| 18:26.42 | Shaki|Unloved | uh |
| 18:26.56 | Shaki|Unloved | oops |
| 18:27.02 | Shaki|Unloved | hides under a rock. |
| 18:27.14 | vjeux | thanks a lot Bifuu |
| 18:27.15 | nicoli_s | and woot! the map editor can now place units on the map via right click on a certain position on the map |
| 18:27.19 | vjeux | woot |
| 18:27.22 | Shaki|Unloved | NICE |
| 18:27.24 | Shaki|Unloved | xD!! |
| 18:27.33 | Shaki|Unloved | i like placing objects |
| 18:27.40 | Shaki|Unloved | that'd make mapping so much easier. |
| 18:27.50 | nicoli_s | just gotta figure out why object document is causing the game to screw up, then will release a new version |
| 18:27.51 | Shaki|Unloved | hi-fives. |
| 18:28.14 | nicoli_s | lo-fives |
| 18:28.40 | Shaki|Unloved | five-stars (himself) |
| 18:28.46 | Shaki|Unloved | :S |
| 18:28.47 | Shaki|Unloved | lol |
| 18:28.59 | Repo | New announcement: http://www.sc2mapster.com/announcements/galaxy-api-preview-part-3/ |
| 18:29.44 | Remy_ | so i noticed lapin on darkblizz is also making a syntax checker |
| 18:29.50 | Remy_ | does he show up around here at times? |
| 18:29.59 | vjeux | nop |
| 18:30.06 | vjeux | would be nice to contact him |
| 18:30.30 | vjeux | btw, 1000 unique visitors so far today |
| 18:30.37 | nicoli_s | where at? |
| 18:30.43 | nicoli_s | at sc2mapster? |
| 18:30.57 | vjeux | yep |
| 18:31.01 | nicoli_s | nice |
| 18:31.14 | nicoli_s | its a start for sure :) |
| 18:31.21 | Shaki|Unloved | 1,000 |
| 18:31.23 | Shaki|Unloved | thats alot. |
| 18:31.29 | vjeux | yesterday we had 1k5 |
| 18:31.39 | vjeux | but it's because of all the advertising |
| 18:31.50 | nicoli_s | vjeux: all the player functions you linked 404 |
| 18:32.11 | vjeux | fuck |
| 18:32.13 | vjeux | thanks |
| 18:33.14 | nicoli_s | np |
| 18:33.43 | Shaki|Unloved | lol |
| 18:33.50 | Shaki|Unloved | i should go eat |
| 18:33.53 | Shaki|Unloved | since im home sick |
| 18:34.00 | Shaki|Sick | :o |
| 18:34.06 | nicoli_s | im hoping to have the map editor to a point where its got a bunch of functionality so i can start working on bug fixes and error handling so we can start spreading it out to more people |
| 18:35.52 | vjeux | shaki please re-talk to me |
| 18:36.18 | Shaki|Sick | er what? |
| 18:37.30 | Shaki|Sick | I am greatly confused on why people who create codes (like blizzard) dont just make everything do what it sounds like |
| 18:37.39 | Shaki|Sick | like GetPlayerRedName |
| 18:40.32 | nicoli_s | well blizzard is known for doing shit just however they want |
| 18:40.47 | Shaki|Sick | ahaha ik right. |
| 18:40.55 | Iggy|Awaaaay | am back |
| 18:41.01 | Shaki|Sick | the community says somethings unfair |
| 18:41.07 | Shaki|Sick | they're all like. Nope its fair. |
| 18:41.07 | Shaki|Sick | lo. |
| 18:41.47 | vjeux | nicoli_s: thanks the links are fixed |
| 18:42.26 | Bifuu | im so fresh and so clean clean |
| 18:42.46 | vjeux | fuck ... I just removed the xml links |
| 18:42.49 | vjeux | I hate it |
| 18:43.41 | Bifuu | lol gg |
| 18:43.47 | Bifuu | Ctrl Z |
| 18:44.13 | vjeux | history for the win |
| 18:44.14 | Iggy|Awaaaay | undo undo |
| 18:44.25 | Iggyhopper | how to register? |
| 18:44.26 | Iggyhopper | name |
| 18:44.30 | ckknight | ? |
| 18:44.33 | vjeux | anyway, if you make a little description for the xml files I'll add them in the news |
| 18:44.43 | Iggyhopper | you cant register your name with like a password? |
| 18:44.45 | Iggyhopper | or what |
| 18:44.51 | ckknight | where are you referring to? |
| 18:44.55 | Iggyhopper | irc |
| 18:44.56 | Iggyhopper | this |
| 18:44.58 | ckknight | oh |
| 18:45.07 | Iggyhopper | lol |
| 18:45.11 | ckknight | msg nickserv register |
| 18:45.26 | Bifuu | ^ |
| 18:45.32 | Iggyhopper | k |
| 18:45.49 | Bifuu | i thought i made you description already |
| 18:46.46 | Iggyhopper | woot |
| 18:46.57 | Iggyhopper | olsik |
| 18:46.59 | ckknight | all good? |
| 18:47.04 | Iggyhopper | yup |
| 18:47.11 | vjeux | grrr Shaki stop changing nick I can't continue the conversation with my web irc client :X |
| 18:47.15 | Shaki | registered :O |
| 18:47.19 | ckknight | k, rebooting |
| 18:47.22 | Shaki | aha sorry. |
| 18:47.24 | Iggyhopper | Thank you for verifying your e-mail address! You have taken steps in ensuring that your registrations are not exploited. |
| 18:47.36 | Iggyhopper | WELL YAY FOR ME, DAMMIOT |
| 18:47.40 | Iggyhopper | lol |
| 18:47.47 | Bifuu | uh |
| 18:47.49 | Bifuu | yay! |
| 18:47.52 | Iggyhopper | lolo |
| 18:48.13 | Iggyhopper | whats been updated recently/ |
| 18:48.31 | Bifuu | i did like 4 new xmls today lol |
| 18:48.35 | Iggyhopper | also, going to start using a desktop IRC client? any suggestions? |
| 18:48.54 | Bifuu | crack mirc *cough* |
| 18:49.54 | Iggyhopper | so i just priatebay mirc? |
| 18:49.55 | Iggyhopper | k |
| 18:50.20 | vjeux | mirc is free |
| 18:50.21 | nicoli_s | no need to |
| 18:50.22 | *** join/#sc2mapster ckknight (~ckknight@WoWUIDev/WoWAce/CurseStaff/CurseForge/ckknight) |
| 18:50.22 | *** mode/#sc2mapster [+o ckknight] by ChanServ |
| 18:50.23 | nicoli_s | mirc is free |
| 18:50.26 | nicoli_s | lol whoops |
| 18:50.31 | Iggyhopper | i also have chatzilla, so do you guys know the exact irc address? like irc://blablah |
| 18:50.39 | nicoli_s | and despite all the mirc bashing you will hear, mirc isnt that bad |
| 18:50.48 | nicoli_s | ive been using it for like 10 years and it does all what i need it to do |
| 18:51.32 | *** join/#sc2mapster Iggyhopper_ (~chatzilla@adsl-75-18-129-242.dsl.skt2ca.sbcglobal.net) |
| 18:51.40 | Iggyhopper_ | hello? |
| 18:51.46 | Iggyhopper_ | awesome ok so i fugrued the irc:// |
| 18:51.48 | Bifuu | hai |
| 18:51.52 | Bifuu | what do you mean its free O.o |
| 18:53.23 | vjeux | well, if you don't pay it justs prompt you to buy it |
| 18:53.26 | vjeux | but works ok |
| 18:53.51 | vjeux | http://twitter.com/sc2mapster |
| 18:55.13 | nicoli_s | nice vjeux |
| 18:55.16 | nicoli_s | you set that up? |
| 18:55.16 | ckknight | nice, vjeux |
| 18:55.40 | vjeux | yep |
| 18:55.50 | *** join/#sc2mapster Iggyhopper (~chatzilla@75.18.129.242) |
| 18:55.56 | Bifuu | July.... 30th...... how long have you had this site planned |
| 18:56.02 | vjeux | there's a facebook page coming too |
| 18:56.37 | Iggyhopper | woot |
| 18:56.47 | Iggyhopper | i wish you can search irc chat |
| 18:56.52 | vjeux | ctrl+f |
| 18:56.53 | Iggyhopper | hmmm i wonder if i can do that in chatzilla |
| 18:57.12 | Iggyhopper | yup |
| 18:57.29 | Iggyhopper | basic hotket shortcut for any other program, thats cool |
| 18:58.19 | Bifuu | "No Text found for: Bifuu Rocks" =( |
| 18:59.23 | Iggyhopper | lol |
| 18:59.31 | Iggyhopper | No text found for "Go die." |
| 18:59.44 | nicoli_s | Bifuu: we have been planning it for a while |
| 18:59.48 | ckknight | Bifuu: since before the last BlizzCon |
| 18:59.56 | Bifuu | O.o |
| 18:59.58 | ckknight | started it like 2 months before then, so mid-June |
| 19:00.03 | Iggyhopper | _underlinez_ |
| 19:00.09 | nicoli_s | we is on top of that shit! |
| 19:00.16 | ckknight | yea, we're serious about this. |
| 19:00.25 | ckknight | cause it's srs bzns |
| 19:00.50 | Bifuu | haha well im glad to be able to help in the early public times i guess haha |
| 19:01.25 | vjeux | (1200, it keeps growing, we are superstars!) |
| 19:01.54 | vjeux | http://sclegacy.com/ |
| 19:01.59 | vjeux | front page |
| 19:02.14 | Bifuu | niiiice |
| 19:02.30 | ckknight | yea, I really think that we can set sc2mapster apart from the others |
| 19:02.33 | ckknight | with the following things: |
| 19:02.35 | ckknight | dedication |
| 19:02.42 | ckknight | a competent staff who actually knows their shit |
| 19:02.43 | vjeux | money? :p |
| 19:02.46 | ckknight | lack of banner ads |
| 19:02.53 | ckknight | goddamn fucking ads |
| 19:02.55 | ckknight | fucking up my shit |
| 19:03.09 | Bifuu | hey Vj |
| 19:03.15 | Bifuu | you fucked up the xml descripts |
| 19:03.19 | ckknight | also, for the most part, we try to be transparent about pretty much everything |
| 19:03.53 | Bifuu | AchievementData.xml - Holds data for the 3 races of Starcraft sucha s starting units and loading screens |
| 19:03.54 | ckknight | which allows community members (that's you, kids) to rise through meritocracy |
| 19:04.01 | Bifuu | yay |
| 19:04.04 | vjeux | oh yeah Bifuu ... you didn't paste the same list :x sorry |
| 19:04.32 | vjeux | and what the hell links are not working either |
| 19:04.34 | vjeux | grr |
| 19:04.42 | Bifuu | lol and take the y off aditionaly, thats my bad tho |
| 19:05.26 | vjeux | ckknight: you forgot a full dedicated website including wiki, forum, repo, visibility ... |
| 19:05.30 | ckknight | yea |
| 19:05.32 | ckknight | all that |
| 19:06.18 | Bifuu | And its a part of the Curse network =P what can top that when it comes to blizzard games =P |
| 19:07.57 | nicoli_s | indeed |
| 19:08.20 | Kaelten | nice little article there |
| 19:09.08 | Iggyhopper | starting unitrs? |
| 19:09.21 | Iggyhopper | Bifuu: no thats raceData.xml right? |
| 19:09.23 | Iggyhopper | *checks |
| 19:09.54 | Kaelten | http://sc2.nibbits.com/maps/project/73912/starcraft-2-tower-defense |
| 19:10.00 | Kaelten | nicoli_s: vjeux: ^ |
| 19:10.33 | vjeux | Bifuu: updated sorry |
| 19:10.50 | veselu | lol |
| 19:10.56 | vjeux | han! |
| 19:10.58 | ckknight | vjeux: ready your cease and desist notice. |
| 19:10.58 | vjeux | map stealer :p |
| 19:11.11 | veselu | he posted v1.1 |
| 19:11.17 | veselu | but he mentioned it's not his work |
| 19:11.25 | ckknight | so? |
| 19:11.30 | ckknight | it's illegal |
| 19:11.47 | veselu | oh |
| 19:12.29 | Bifuu | *chants* fight fight fight fight |
| 19:12.58 | *** part/#sc2mapster veselu (~yoyosan@188.26.131.212) |
| 19:13.20 | *** join/#sc2mapster veselu (~yoyosan@188.26.131.212) |
| 19:13.42 | ckknight | it would be perfectly fine if he weren't hosting the map, instead linking to the page on sc2mapster |
| 19:13.47 | Kaelten | the guy who runs that site used to work for us. |
| 19:13.49 | Kaelten | heh |
| 19:13.50 | ckknight | but since he's hosting, that's copyright infringement |
| 19:14.43 | veselu | I understand |
| 19:15.02 | ckknight | k, he removed it |
| 19:15.06 | nicoli_s | he linked to us, so its all good |
| 19:15.11 | veselu | Released:March 20, 2010Downloads:2,772 |
| 19:15.55 | vjeux | David dit (8:15 PM) : *I'm not going to be a dick *but I'll tell you the same thing i tell everyone else *DMCA me if you want *but we dont remove maps |
| 19:15.58 | vjeux | seriously ... |
| 19:17.01 | veselu | ck it's hosted on their amazon storage |
| 19:17.02 | veselu | http://s3.amazonaws.com/nibbits/maps%2F131%2F835%2FMapsterTD.s2ma |
| 19:17.12 | veselu | that's the download link |
| 19:17.25 | veselu | a link to sc2mapster is made below, in comments |
| 19:17.45 | Kaelten | vjeux: send amazon the DMCA then |
| 19:17.49 | Kaelten | but he'll change his toon |
| 19:18.20 | vjeux | how do you do it? |
| 19:18.22 | nicoli_s | yeah vjeux: hes telling me the same thing he told you, that they wont remove maps unless it doesnt work |
| 19:18.29 | nicoli_s | and he doesnt give a shit about the dmca :S |
| 19:21.24 | vjeux | anyway, got the admin over the map |
| 19:21.30 | vjeux | changed the name to be Mapster TD |
| 19:22.02 | vjeux | it makes us advertising anyway :) |
| 19:22.10 | Shaki | xD |
| 19:22.13 | Shaki | advertising ftw. |
| 19:22.38 | Bifuu | should be |
| 19:22.50 | Bifuu | Maspsterisbetterthannibbits TD |
| 19:23.52 | Kaelten | vjeux: I was trying to remove the description of the map |
| 19:24.09 | Kaelten | and replace it with a copyright notice and how david cramer is breaking said copyright by hosting |
| 19:24.40 | Bifuu | lol |
| 19:26.29 | ckknight | I really don't know why cramer's trying to make a distribution site |
| 19:26.34 | ckknight | what with Battle.net doing the distribution |
| 19:27.10 | Bifuu | Also, the download they host technically is broken, its just the map file and not everything like the fixed patch file |
| 19:27.14 | vjeux | he started the project long before we knew it |
| 19:28.01 | Bifuu | But time for me to go to work, ill catch you guys when i get off |
| 19:28.42 | vjeux | cya |
| 19:29.37 | nicoli_s | he should just know hes over his head :P |
| 19:30.24 | Kaelten | I wonder how blizzard will feel about him hosting their stuff |
| 19:34.02 | vjeux | blizzard is going to shut him down as soon as sc2 is going to be released imo |
| 19:34.45 | veselu | flush and compact from MPQEditor are identical as result :D |
| 19:34.54 | Kaelten | I don't like his cavalier policies to my potential rights |
| 19:35.10 | nicoli_s | yeah i mean he is putting his name on the hacked loaders |
| 19:35.38 | veselu | who are you guys talking about? the owner of nibbits ? |
| 19:36.55 | ckknight | davidcramer |
| 19:36.59 | ckknight | owner of nibbits |
| 19:37.42 | vjeux | he worked for curse about 3? years ago |
| 19:39.37 | nicoli_s | yah |
| 19:39.48 | nicoli_s | and he and you got me my job : |
| 19:39.50 | vjeux | anyway thanks to the map there's Mapster in front page of nibbits |
| 19:39.50 | nicoli_s | :P |
| 19:41.32 | nicoli_s | yep, cant really complain about that :P |
| 19:41.44 | nicoli_s | but it is def fucked up they prob have more downloads of the map than we do |
| 19:42.15 | vjeux | 2k5 downloads |
| 19:42.24 | vjeux | we've got 2k5 users :p |
| 19:42.35 | veselu | uh oh awesome :D |
| 19:42.58 | Shaki | XD |
| 19:43.08 | Shaki | More users ftw. |
| 19:44.05 | *** join/#sc2mapster Vindicator (~wadewazen@adsl-68-94-1-242.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) |
| 19:44.14 | vjeux | hey Vindicator |
| 19:44.38 | Vindicator | Heya, it has been a looooong time since i've used irc |
| 19:45.46 | Vindicator | I'm going to leave this running in the background for a bit and I'll check back later to see what people are talking about and get a feel for what everyone's talking about first. |
| 19:45.59 | vjeux | alright :) |
| 19:46.04 | vjeux | welcome here anyway |
| 19:46.06 | Vindicator | lol and i obviously repeated myself - my bad |
| 19:46.07 | Shaki | kk |
| 19:46.09 | Shaki | ^^ |
| 19:47.38 | veselu | vjeux do you think a install/uninstall bat files would help users play the map easier |
| 19:47.38 | veselu | i mean install: make a backup of their original patch.SC2Archive and one included in the map package and uninstall restoring their original file ? |
| 19:47.59 | vjeux | indeed |
| 19:48.02 | veselu | and adding the one included in the map* |
| 19:48.18 | vjeux | I tried to do it however I failed because I couldn't get the sc2 path in a vairable in dos |
| 19:48.55 | veselu | and didn't people need the original Base.SC2Data ? |
| 19:48.56 | veselu | too |
| 19:49.32 | nicoli_s | veseulu: you can use the map editor to launch his map without modifying any files soon |
| 19:49.45 | nicoli_s | just need to pack his map up all together and fix a few bugs in the editor for its next release |
| 19:50.00 | veselu | the map is already packed |
| 19:50.23 | veselu | 2.7 MB using mpqed flush/compact |
| 19:50.35 | nicoli_s | ahh, well then yeah, the next version i release should be able to do that, will let you know when its out |
| 19:50.47 | vjeux | didn't I sent you the updated mpq editor nicoli_s ? |
| 19:51.07 | nicoli_s | it just gets the highest patch version, copies it to a custom version directory, then puts in blank xml files for any edited xml files in the map |
| 19:51.08 | nicoli_s | nope vjeux |
| 19:51.17 | vjeux | ok just sent |
| 19:51.43 | vjeux | compacting a map works. the mpq2k scripts are better |
| 19:51.51 | veselu | and vjeux imo we shouldn't release launch.bat script anymore, it should be only for developers. mainly refering to the part where files are added to s2ma |
| 19:52.25 | vjeux | the mpq editor is still in beta, and i'm trying to get ladik add an option to resize the hash table |
| 19:52.32 | vjeux | so we can have more than 64 files in there |
| 19:52.46 | vjeux | veselu: yeah |
| 19:53.01 | vjeux | the release was done in a hurry :p |
| 19:53.04 | veselu | so we should only release the s2ma file |
| 19:53.04 | vjeux | needed to be first! |
| 19:53.10 | vjeux | well it's not possible atm |
| 19:53.10 | veselu | and with the MWE ofc :D |
| 19:53.13 | vjeux | :) |
| 19:54.09 | vjeux | anyway, we can get a free link on nibbits at http://sc2.nibbits.com/links/ |
| 19:54.12 | vjeux | it shows up randomly in the main page |
| 19:54.30 | vjeux | david does not require us to link him back |
| 19:55.03 | Kaelten | vjeux: I'd actually decline to do so anyway, I'm hoping to have sc2mapster become an official fansite at some point |
| 19:55.24 | veselu | vjeux I would like to setup a repository for MapsterTD |
| 19:55.31 | vjeux | go ahead |
| 19:55.38 | vjeux | I've setup a svn already |
| 19:55.43 | vjeux | but didn't test it yet |
| 19:55.46 | Kaelten | he has an xp and a gold system on nibbits... |
| 19:56.05 | ckknight | yea, I don't want to have a system like that on sc2mapster |
| 19:56.06 | ckknight | btw |
| 19:56.08 | ckknight | sorry, Kaelten |
| 19:56.14 | ckknight | I know you were gonna ask for it |
| 19:56.22 | Kaelten | lol |
| 19:56.36 | vjeux | ckknight crits Kaelten for 300 |
| 19:57.15 | vjeux | erg, already 9pm and still at school! |
| 19:57.18 | vjeux | moving back home |
| 19:57.18 | vjeux | cya |
| 19:57.20 | Kaelten | I here by grant everyone ∞ xp on sc2mapster! |
| 19:57.58 | Kaelten | ckknight: I was just going to say that it seems kinda meh |
| 19:58.04 | ckknight | :P |
| 20:00.25 | veselu | i will stick to svn then |
| 20:06.43 | Shaki | lol |
| 20:10.14 | *** join/#sc2mapster Repo (~supybot@repos.curseforge.net) |
| 20:24.35 | Shaki | wheres jv :( |
| 20:24.37 | Shaki | erm |
| 20:24.40 | Shaki | vj* |
| 20:25.04 | Shaki | he asked me to make an icon and i did |
| 20:25.06 | Shaki | :P |
| 20:27.01 | nicoli_s | he went home, hes on frenchy time |
| 20:27.11 | Shaki | :( |
| 20:27.30 | Shaki | well he asked me to make him an icon for sc2.nibbits.com/links for us |
| 20:27.32 | Shaki | so i made our icon |
| 20:27.37 | Shaki | idk what im supposed to do with it |
| 20:27.38 | Shaki | lol |
| 20:29.05 | Shaki | So whens he gonna be back? |
| 20:31.35 | nicoli_s | i dunno |
| 20:33.31 | Shaki | well what do i do with my banner? xD |
| 20:33.39 | ckknight | Shaki: post it up somewhere |
| 20:33.52 | Shaki | er what? |
| 20:34.02 | Shaki | like post it on Nibbits |
| 20:34.17 | Shaki | he told me to make an icon and mentioned that so ^^ |
| 20:34.45 | Shaki | i have to be safe. |
| 20:35.02 | nicoli_s | just wait for him to come back, hell be around |
| 20:35.08 | Shaki | mk |
| 20:35.14 | Shaki | it's a pretty icon |
| 20:35.15 | Shaki | XD |
| 20:35.20 | ckknight | no, like post it on tinypic |
| 20:35.23 | Iggyhopper | where is yo momma ship |
| 20:35.45 | Shaki | OH upload it to photobucket |
| 20:35.45 | Shaki | :P |
| 20:35.46 | Shaki | mk |
| 20:36.10 | Shaki | They should call it Photon bucket. |
| 20:36.12 | Shaki | xD |
| 20:36.13 | Iggyhopper | lol |
| 20:36.17 | Iggyhopper | photon bucket |
| 20:37.55 | Shaki | http://i311.photobucket.com/albums/kk464/ShakiShingi/SC2Mapster.jpg |
| 20:37.56 | Shaki | :O |
| 20:39.18 | Shaki | That what you mean? |
| 20:42.22 | Shaki | ? |
| 20:44.44 | ckknight | nice, Shaki |
| 20:45.04 | *** join/#sc2mapster veselu (~yoyosan@188.27.108.52) |
| 20:45.09 | ckknight | actually |
| 20:45.21 | ckknight | Shaki: I think the background behind the SC2Mapster logo takes away from it |
| 20:45.24 | ckknight | makes it harder to read |
| 20:45.55 | Shaki | ok, so make a less standing out background? |
| 20:46.12 | ckknight | correct |
| 20:46.16 | ckknight | maybe even just a solid color |
| 20:46.18 | ckknight | shrugs |
| 20:46.50 | Shaki | Ya but i got a really nice site for pics |
| 20:46.57 | Shaki | which i can use for backgrounds |
| 20:47.09 | Shaki | ill make it stand out more |
| 20:47.47 | *** join/#sc2mapster vjeux (~52e9ed5b@gateway/web/freenode/x-uugrxpeqekbrpodb) |
| 20:48.12 | Shaki | hey vj |
| 20:48.18 | Shaki | :o |
| 20:48.22 | vjeux | hey Shaki ... |
| 20:48.34 | Shaki | i made the logo |
| 20:48.45 | ckknight | and I shot it down! |
| 20:48.46 | Shaki | the background aparently is dark |
| 20:48.48 | Shaki | xD |
| 20:48.53 | ckknight | no, the background should be more dark |
| 20:49.02 | Shaki | er ok. |
| 20:49.02 | Shaki | lol |
| 20:49.03 | ckknight | the text needs to stand out |
| 20:49.28 | Shaki | lighten the text |
| 20:49.30 | Shaki | sharpen |
| 20:49.36 | Shaki | darken the background? |
| 20:50.56 | vjeux | starcraft2.hu frontpage http://starcraft2.hu/ |
| 20:51.23 | Shaki | ? |
| 20:51.27 | ckknight | yea |
| 20:51.34 | Shaki | o ic |
| 20:51.38 | ckknight | cool, vjeux |
| 20:51.39 | nicoli_s | lol i see at least one guy saying its fake vjeux :P |
| 20:51.58 | vjeux | do you speak hungarian? :p |
| 20:52.10 | nicoli_s | nope but id imagine fake is the same :P |
| 20:52.13 | *** join/#sc2mapster cog|away (~cogwheel@WoWUIDev/WoWProgramming/morlando/cogwheel) |
| 20:56.30 | vjeux | would be harder to fake it than make it xD |
| 20:57.00 | sztanpet | i speak hungarian |
| 20:57.02 | Shaki | http://i311.photobucket.com/albums/kk464/ShakiShingi/SC2Mapster.jpg |
| 20:57.03 | Shaki | or |
| 20:57.09 | Shaki | http://i311.photobucket.com/albums/kk464/ShakiShingi/SC2Mapster-1.jpg |
| 20:57.10 | Shaki | :P |
| 20:57.45 | vjeux | that's unreadable |
| 20:58.12 | Shaki | What do you expect at 88x33 |
| 20:58.13 | Shaki | lol |
| 20:58.51 | ckknight | second one is better |
| 20:59.02 | Shaki | well lol |
| 20:59.05 | ckknight | but it's like you darkened the text |
| 20:59.12 | supreme | maybe widen it a bit, better outline, less emboss |
| 21:00.20 | Shaki | i didnt touch the text |
| 21:00.21 | Shaki | lol |
| 21:01.04 | ckknight | lemme take a stab |
| 21:01.51 | Shaki | Nooo! |
| 21:01.57 | Shaki | ill brighten the text |
| 21:03.09 | Repo | 10mapster-td: 03veselu 071.2 * r2 : ! version 1.2 branch |
| 21:03.39 | ckknight | too late |
| 21:03.40 | ckknight | done |
| 21:03.45 | Shaki | http://i311.photobucket.com/albums/kk464/ShakiShingi/SC2Mapster-2.jpg |
| 21:03.47 | Shaki | nope |
| 21:03.48 | Shaki | i win |
| 21:03.49 | Shaki | :) |
| 21:03.53 | ckknight | and it looks bad |
| 21:03.54 | ckknight | I'm sorry |
| 21:04.08 | nicoli_s | yers is a little stretched shaki |
| 21:04.13 | Shaki | because it is |
| 21:04.20 | Shaki | you guys keep complaining |
| 21:04.23 | Shaki | about the size |
| 21:04.30 | Shaki | i cant make it bigger |
| 21:04.37 | Shaki | i have a size i have to work between |
| 21:05.55 | Vindicator | Maybe put change the SCIIMapster logo to S][2Mapster - I think it's implied that it's typed and pronounced sc2 |
| 21:06.08 | Repo | 10mapster-td: 03veselu 071.2 * r3 src (15 files in 5 directories): ! files/directories structure |
| 21:06.10 | Vindicator | that way you'd have more space to make things legible |
| 21:07.22 | veselu | good bot :D |
| 21:07.24 | ckknight | http://i39.tinypic.com/hrgfpl.png |
| 21:07.42 | Shaki | what makes that better than mine? |
| 21:07.56 | *** join/#sc2mapster profet (~profet02@bac69-5-82-234-230-177.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 21:08.07 | *** join/#sc2mapster Astazha (~Astazha@173-16-119-89.client.mchsi.com) |
| 21:08.08 | ckknight | legibility |
| 21:08.10 | supreme | less stretched |
| 21:08.17 | Vindicator | ya it looks better |
| 21:08.19 | ckknight | yours also has an odd contrast |
| 21:08.29 | ckknight | I bumped the contrast a bit and also brightness |
| 21:08.35 | ckknight | and put a radial gradient centered behind the II |
| 21:08.39 | Shaki | http://i311.photobucket.com/albums/kk464/ShakiShingi/SC2Mapster-3.jpg |
| 21:08.42 | Shaki | use mine! |
| 21:08.52 | ckknight | ++hard to read the P, E, R |
| 21:08.53 | supreme | now its stretched the other way :D |
| 21:09.14 | Gnarfoz | ckk's looks best so far, imho |
| 21:09.24 | Shaki | thanks |
| 21:09.32 | ckknight | lern2color theory |
| 21:09.35 | Shaki | maybe next time someone asks me to make something ill let ckknight it. |
| 21:09.45 | ckknight | we appreciate the effort |
| 21:09.50 | Shaki | lol. |
| 21:09.53 | Shaki | the four efforts. |
| 21:10.07 | ckknight | do you want a trophy for trying hard? |
| 21:10.13 | Shaki | yes |
| 21:10.14 | Shaki | :) |
| 21:10.17 | vjeux | http://sc2.nibbits.com/links/ |
| 21:10.17 | ckknight | I mean, kids who play soccer all get em |
| 21:10.21 | ckknight | even if their team loses |
| 21:10.28 | Shaki | ik |
| 21:10.29 | Shaki | lol |
| 21:10.37 | Shaki | you used his |
| 21:10.38 | Shaki | </ |
| 21:10.40 | Shaki | </3 |
| 21:10.42 | Shaki | :'( |
| 21:10.57 | Shaki | my last ones better imo |
| 21:10.59 | Shaki | lol |
| 21:11.21 | Shaki | better than my first 3 fo sho tho |
| 21:11.22 | Shaki | lol |
| 21:11.33 | ckknight | Shaki: how old are you? |
| 21:11.49 | Shaki | why do you wonder? |
| 21:12.10 | ckknight | because you don't act very mature |
| 21:12.27 | vjeux | ckknight vs Shaki - Round 1 |
| 21:12.34 | Shaki | 14 |
| 21:12.42 | ckknight | dang, nicoli_s won |
| 21:12.45 | ckknight | he guessed 14 |
| 21:12.48 | ckknight | I guessed 16 |
| 21:12.54 | nicoli_s | boom headshot! |
| 21:13.01 | vjeux | I wanted to play too :( |
| 21:13.05 | Shaki | Yea now i feel beaten down on. |
| 21:13.07 | Astazha | UltraKill!!! |
| 21:13.12 | nicoli_s | then move yo ass to huntsville vjeux! |
| 21:13.23 | nicoli_s | hey shaki: i started my modding when i was 14 |
| 21:13.32 | Shaki | i started mine 3 years ago |
| 21:13.32 | nicoli_s | it just takes time to get good |
| 21:13.37 | Shaki | When i was 11 |
| 21:13.48 | Shaki | i started the internet at birth |
| 21:13.51 | Shaki | :O |
| 21:13.54 | Astazha | earlier is better. I was just doing crapping basic programming at that age. |
| 21:14.03 | supreme | now this channel is getting interesting |
| 21:14.13 | Shaki | Yup beating on children. |
| 21:14.14 | Shaki | :) |
| 21:14.22 | Shaki | lol. |
| 21:14.38 | Xtek | Ugh. |
| 21:14.50 | Shaki | hm? |
| 21:17.46 | Duman | hmm |
| 21:18.46 | Witchsong | We got children in here? :o |
| 21:19.02 | nicoli_s | hmm, almost there to the point i can commit this code, just gotta figure out why the mpq editor is padding the objects file so badly |
| 21:19.17 | Witchsong | What are you coding? |
| 21:19.34 | nicoli_s | the milky way editor |
| 21:19.39 | Witchsong | Nice. |
| 21:20.12 | Witchsong | Can XNA be used for rendering models? |
| 21:20.27 | nicoli_s | yah could def be done |
| 21:20.38 | nicoli_s | right now it just uses my flash model viewer, but its too damn slow |
| 21:20.57 | Witchsong | Because, now that my lib extracts the more important parts of data, I want to try see if I get enough stuff to animate models. |
| 21:22.22 | Witchsong | Seeing each material has 13 layers, how likely is it that those 13 somehow corresponds to the layers in 3ds Max? |
| 21:22.36 | nicoli_s | i could def see it |
| 21:22.40 | Witchsong | The default list of maps for a material is 12 in 3ds Max, so was just thinking it might be liekly. |
| 21:24.30 | Astazha | Was poking at the prepcompiler steen-reem put up. Still buggy but I'm curious: does anyone know what the premise is for simulating dynamic allocation? |
| 21:24.58 | veselu | http://www.flickr.com/photos/29984588@N00/4457647415/sizes/o/ |
| 21:25.20 | veselu | beat v1.1 |
| 21:25.31 | nicoli_s | ya did it yay! |
| 21:25.36 | ckknight | Astazha: it's so that you can arbitrarily create and delete objects |
| 21:25.40 | ckknight | pretty handy, imo |
| 21:25.47 | ckknight | I doubt I would use it, though, tbh |
| 21:25.47 | supreme | is that on ultra-low setting? :) |
| 21:25.51 | ckknight | I'd just be very careful |
| 21:25.52 | Iggyhopper | "The default list of maps for a material is 12 in 3ds Max, so was just thinking it might be liekly." huh? |
| 21:26.30 | veselu | it's on low because I need faster loading times when developing a map |
| 21:26.40 | Iggyhopper | Anybody want to download that GameData.zip and play a mod with me? Come on! |
| 21:26.52 | supreme | aha, got it |
| 21:27.50 | Astazha | ckknight: yeah, but programmatically how do you write code that simulates that? Does it just guess at how many you might create and then put that on the stack? |
| 21:28.14 | ckknight | Astazha: you stick a bunch of objects in a global array |
| 21:28.19 | ckknight | and then dole out objects from that array |
| 21:28.31 | ckknight | you'd need to specify the maximum amount you want |
| 21:28.34 | ckknight | and make sure not to go over |
| 21:29.01 | Astazha | I see. |
| 21:31.01 | Astazha | The thing I'm most excited about is the syntax checking. Lapin's isn't fully functional yet, so most of my time is spent debugging by elimination. Hopefully it will be up and running soon. |
| 21:32.37 | Shaki | i think my blood pressure went up.. |
| 21:32.38 | Shaki | :o |
| 21:35.24 | Iggyhopper | hey what if the terran blocked off the bottom of a ramp instead o fhte top? it only takes 2 depots |
| 21:36.07 | veselu | good night |
| 21:36.10 | *** part/#sc2mapster veselu (~yoyosan@188.27.108.52) |
| 21:36.11 | Iggyhopper | no u |
| 21:36.41 | Astazha | lose some of the terrain advantage for your bunkers though. |
| 21:37.06 | Iggyhopper | yeah, i was thinking it would prevent some early scouting |
| 21:37.11 | Astazha | and the ramp creates a choke preventing a surround on the blocking buildings |
| 21:37.26 | Astazha | I see |
| 21:37.54 | Astazha | I was thinking... and I haven't tried this - but a couple scv's on hold position would accomplish that until the 3rd building was in place. |
| 21:38.11 | Iggyhopper | yeah |
| 21:38.51 | Shaki | im just gonna |
| 21:38.59 | Shaki | not be on irc for awhiel tonight.. |
| 21:39.05 | Iggyhopper | awhield! |
| 21:39.34 | nicoli_s | man this sucks, i think im going to have to do some hacky shit because the mpq lib im using doesnt support reading in the objects file correctly |
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| 21:41.00 | Iggyhopper | haha |
| 21:41.02 | Iggyhopper | lame |
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| 21:42.44 | Sixen | RAWr |
| 21:42.48 | ckknight | rawr indeed |
| 21:42.59 | Sixen | Very much so |
| 21:43.46 | vjeux | rawr |
| 21:43.54 | Sixen | =] |
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| 21:46.49 | vjeux | Sixen: got my mail? |
| 21:48.47 | vjeux | lol, polish front page |
| 21:48.47 | vjeux | http://scarea.pl/ |
| 21:50.34 | vjeux | anyway going to sleep |
| 21:50.36 | vjeux | cya everybody |
| 21:51.00 | vjeux | 1k9 uniques, we are going to reach the 2k |
| 21:52.04 | Shaki | bye |
| 21:52.07 | Sixen | Yeah vjeux |
| 21:52.11 | Duman | unf |
| 21:56.24 | Iggyhopper | have you guys done any work for the m3 model yet? |
| 21:56.27 | Iggyhopper | or the structure |
| 21:57.50 | nicoli_s | yah, theres some on sc2mapster |
| 21:58.02 | nicoli_s | and theres a m3lib in the milkywayedit project |
| 21:58.49 | Repo | 10mapster-td: 03veselu 071.2 * r4 src (3 files in 2 directories): - removed TriggerStrings.txt since was not needed |
| 21:58.51 | Repo | * changed Pylon name to Xtek |
| 21:58.52 | Repo | * changed Probe name to Mapster |
| 21:59.04 | Iggyhopper | o |
| 21:59.34 | ckknight | lulz |
| 21:59.37 | Sixen | heh |
| 21:59.43 | Iggyhopper | Can I edit anything? |
| 21:59.53 | Sixen | Go ahead :P |
| 21:59.57 | Iggyhopper | How? |
| 22:00.10 | Sixen | DL the map and change stuff! I can add you as an author so you can upload it. |
| 22:00.30 | Iggyhopper | No, I mean the API on the site? |
| 22:00.43 | Sixen | Oh, yeah. You can edit everything on the wiki |
| 22:00.43 | Iggyhopper | "Holds additionaly specifics for requirements " fail |
| 22:00.51 | Sixen | lol |
| 22:01.00 | Sixen | Go to the page and click "+Page Management" |
| 22:01.02 | Sixen | Then "Edit Page" |
| 22:01.11 | ckknight | Iggyhopper: yea, it's there for you to edit it |
| 22:01.12 | ckknight | so please do |
| 22:01.18 | Iggyhopper | ok |
| 22:01.43 | Astazha | Sixen: I'm Mishlai on sc2mapster, should I indicate that somewhere on that spreadsheet? |
| 22:01.55 | Iggyhopper | How do I edit? I want to fix typo! |
| 22:01.57 | Iggyhopper | arrrg |
| 22:02.20 | Sixen | Hrm... |
| 22:02.39 | Sixen | Yeah, maybe add another field for Mapster acct in front of IRC Nick |
| 22:02.42 | ckknight | Iggyhopper: are you logged in? |
| 22:02.47 | Sixen | Iggy, you figure it out yet? :P |
| 22:02.53 | Iggyhopper | yep |
| 22:03.01 | Iggyhopper | im logged in |
| 22:03.08 | ckknight | k, what page are you on? |
| 22:03.20 | Iggyhopper | http://www.sc2mapster.com/announcements/galaxy-api-preview-part-3/ |
| 22:03.26 | Xtek | Mmmm. |
| 22:03.28 | Astazha | Iggy: if you click Page Management you should see the option to edit |
| 22:03.45 | ckknight | oh, Iggyhopper, you don't have perms to manage announcements |
| 22:03.49 | Astazha | If you don't see it, then I assume you don't have edit rights on that page. |
| 22:03.52 | Iggyhopper | o ok |
| 22:03.57 | Iggyhopper | lol |
| 22:04.03 | Iggyhopper | lame |
| 22:04.04 | ckknight | although announcements do run on our pages system, as does the wiki |
| 22:04.06 | Iggyhopper | announcements |
| 22:04.07 | ckknight | the permissions are different |
| 22:05.18 | Iggyhopper | i can edit api docs too then? I'll fill in lots of stuff http://www.sc2mapster.com/api-docs/game-files/xml/ |
| 22:05.27 | Iggyhopper | but later, my bro is getting on |
| 22:05.55 | Iggyhopper | I'll also see if I can get a schema going or something |
| 22:06.36 | Iggyhopper | or rather, DTD |
| 22:06.47 | Sixen | You can edit *everything*, Iggy. |
| 22:06.59 | Sixen | We have teampltes for XML and API |
| 22:07.15 | Sixen | Just hit edit on an xml or api page to see how to use 'em ;) |
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| 22:07.39 | Iggyhopper | alright alright |
| 22:07.41 | Iggyhopper | l;ol |
| 22:07.42 | ckknight | really, if you feel like you want permissions for something, just make the case and you might be given the role to do so |
| 22:07.46 | ckknight | :P |
| 22:07.51 | Iggyhopper | ok well I'll work on the XML files first |
| 22:07.53 | ckknight | the number 1 rule: don't be a dick |
| 22:08.00 | ckknight | coughs in Fisker's direction |
| 22:08.03 | Iggyhopper | so i cant be a 8===D? |
| 22:08.23 | Astazha | maybe just a little one, like 8=D |
| 22:11.01 | Iggyhopper | hahah no im like 8==============================================================================D |
| 22:11.04 | Sixen | lol |
| 22:11.06 | Iggyhopper | OMG IT CUT OFF |
| 22:11.12 | Sixen | Bifuu has been doing most of the XML work we have. |
| 22:11.12 | Iggyhopper | lol |
| 22:11.25 | Sixen | Rofl. |
| 22:11.37 | ckknight | Iggyhopper: viagratastic |
| 22:11.45 | Iggyhopper | Cool. So I'll talk to him later or something, or i could be a 8=D and not talk to him at all! |
| 22:11.54 | Sixen | :P |
| 22:11.56 | ckknight | lol |
| 22:15.47 | Iggyhopper | ok bye bye |
| 22:28.44 | nicoli_s | damn this mpq library! |
| 22:29.15 | Sixen | heh |
| 22:30.15 | ScytheBlade1 | write your own! |
| 22:30.29 | Shaki | lol |
| 22:32.13 | ScytheBlade1 | http://wiki.devklog.net/index.php?title=The_MoPaQ_Archive_Format |
| 22:32.14 | ScytheBlade1 | have at it |
| 22:38.00 | nicoli_s | no thanks, i found a workaround for now |
| 22:38.13 | Sixen | pimp |
| 22:39.16 | Arrowmaster | nicoli_s: what are you using? |
| 22:40.12 | nicoli_s | mpq liv |
| 22:40.14 | nicoli_s | lib* |
| 22:40.24 | nicoli_s | but i g2g, will commit later on with shiny new features :) later |
| 22:40.46 | Arrowmaster | is that the python one adys is always talking about? |
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| 22:45.37 | Sixen | going home, brb. |
| 22:45.38 | *** part/#sc2mapster Sixen (~Sixen@173-25-22-19.client.mchsi.com) |
| 22:50.07 | ScytheBlade1 | Did they reset the ladder today? |
| 22:52.30 | FrozenFirebat | nope |
| 22:52.46 | ScytheBlade1 | Boo |
| 22:53.59 | FrozenFirebat | anyone want to do some 2s? |
| 22:54.54 | ScytheBlade1 | If I wasn't entirely obsessed with this Muse track now I sure would |
| 22:55.12 | Witchsong | nicoli_s: Which MPQ lib is it you're using? |
| 22:55.55 | Witchsong | And what is wrong with it? |
| 22:57.11 | supreme | @FrozenFirebat: eu? |
| 22:57.17 | FrozenFirebat | US |
| 22:57.23 | supreme | ah :/ |
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| 22:58.18 | Remy | that's a really nice launcher Zoxc |
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| 23:01.09 | Zeerti | Evening Gents |
| 23:01.53 | Witchsong | Good evening. |
| 23:02.00 | Zeerti | I got my computer working and destroyed my dads in the process lol. |
| 23:02.42 | FrozenFirebat | ohh |
| 23:02.48 | FrozenFirebat | so did you finally figure out what was wrong? |
| 23:03.03 | Zeerti | nope lol |
| 23:03.25 | FrozenFirebat | XD |
| 23:04.10 | FrozenFirebat | what did you end up doing that got it to work tho? |
| 23:06.44 | Zeerti | sec |
| 23:06.48 | Zeerti | working and on a call |
| 23:09.01 | Zeerti | damn you firebat I wanted to tell you haha |
| 23:09.46 | supreme | you can tell me |
| 23:09.49 | Astazha | Hey Zeerti |
| 23:09.49 | supreme | :) |
| 23:09.59 | Zeerti | Hey astazha |
| 23:10.16 | Zeerti | sec call almost over |
| 23:10.21 | Zeerti | this lady is redonkulous |
| 23:13.58 | Zeerti | so my dads HD I unplugged it and plugged it into my comp. Loaded it up and wiped my broked HD |
| 23:14.11 | Zeerti | then I tripped over the cord, unplugged my dads HD and now it blue screens lol |
| 23:14.35 | Zeerti | this is of course while it was running. |
| 23:14.37 | ckknight | ...fail |
| 23:14.40 | Astazha | I'm sure he'll be happy about that. How old are you Zeerti? |
| 23:14.45 | Zeerti | 20 |
| 23:15.17 | Zeerti | you? |
| 23:15.21 | Astazha | 35 |
| 23:15.28 | Witchsong | If you use the same texture on the various layers (ambient, diffuse, specular etc.), will it look any different than if you just used that texture only as diffuse? |
| 23:15.31 | Astazha | Maybe replace the cable? |
| 23:16.14 | Zeerti | Astazha its not the cable its the HD cause I plugged mine back in with that cable and it works fine. |
| 23:16.22 | Zeerti | Pulled the SATA cord out |
| 23:16.52 | Astazha | That sucks. Have you tried accessing it as a 2nd drive? |
| 23:17.00 | Zeerti | Uhm nope. |
| 23:17.19 | Zeerti | I just put my dads comp back together and am going to pretend nothing happened and that my brother downloaded a virus :) |
| 23:17.29 | Zeerti | Bwahaha |
| 23:17.35 | Astazha | That's fail man, own up and try to fix it. |
| 23:17.46 | Zeerti | I will when I have the time. |
| 23:17.50 | Zeerti | but for the mean time... lol |
| 23:18.46 | Zeerti | I think I know a solve for it, but I don't have the time being that I'm at work :( |
| 23:19.23 | supreme | haha! |
| 23:19.35 | supreme | yes blame your brother :) |
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| 23:29.34 | Zeerti | Sixen! :D |
| 23:30.48 | Sixen | hey |
| 23:30.51 | Sixen | we're featured on SCLegacy |
| 23:30.52 | Sixen | :D |
| 23:34.08 | Astazha | That's awesome Sixen, congrats. |
| 23:34.30 | Sixen | =) |
| 23:36.23 | Zeerti | no way?! |
| 23:36.29 | Zeerti | Awesome :D |
| 23:36.41 | Zeerti | Sixen did you hear how I fixed my computer and broke one at the same time |
| 23:36.43 | Zeerti | ? |
| 23:39.35 | ckknight | I LIEK CHOCOLATE MILK |
| 23:40.04 | Fisker | can i get some of your chocolate milk? |
| 23:40.56 | Sixen | orly zeerit? |
| 23:41.04 | Zeerti | yeah haha |
| 23:45.23 | HP-snus | hehehe, you can have some of my "chocolate" milk |
| 23:45.40 | Zeerti | rofl hp did you see my story? |
| 23:45.44 | HP-snus | no |
| 23:45.50 | HP-snus | afk 5 mins :p |
| 23:45.54 | Zeerti | damn you |
| 23:51.23 | Zoxc | Remy: Thanks :) |
| 23:55.15 | HP-snus | no Zeerti |
| 23:55.17 | HP-snus | what story |
| 23:55.17 | Remy | yeah it's awesome |
| 23:55.19 | Remy | so eh |
| 23:55.24 | Remy | no backreferencing in galaxy right? |
| 23:55.27 | Zeerti | my story is awesome |
| 23:55.28 | HP-snus | you raped your computer? |
| 23:55.30 | Zeerti | I fixed my PC |
| 23:55.32 | Remy | but you can have a recursive function? |
| 23:55.36 | Zeerti | and broke my dads |
| 23:55.40 | HP-snus | LOL |
| 23:55.42 | Remy | and not mutual recursive functions? |
| 23:55.47 | Zoxc | Remy: You can declare prototypes |
| 23:55.51 | Remy | o okay |
| 23:55.52 | Zoxc | but not for structs :( |
| 23:55.59 | Zeerti | Tripped over the sata cord while the comp was running |
| 23:56.04 | Zeerti | pulled it out. |
| 23:56.04 | Remy | even for direct recursive functions? |
| 23:56.14 | HP-snus | http://www.funtoosh.com/f_images/work_flowchart.jpg |
| 23:56.15 | HP-snus | Zeerti |
| 23:56.16 | HP-snus | that |
| 23:56.18 | Remy | ah for structs makes sense else you could define and infinitely large struct by including itself |
| 23:56.32 | HP-snus | unless you end up at poor bastard its all cool |
| 23:56.37 | Witchsong | Is there any limit on how many materials you can have assigned to a geoset, usually? |
| 23:56.37 | Zoxc | no it doesn't make sense for structs |
| 23:56.55 | Zoxc | it's just another Blizzard silliness |
| 23:57.02 | Remy | well struct A { A myself; } doesn't work |
| 23:57.08 | Remy | ofcourse |
| 23:57.37 | Remy | and struct A { B b; }; struct B { A a; }; is bad too |
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| 23:57.44 | Zoxc | struct A { B* s }; struct B { A* s }; doesn't work |
| 23:57.52 | Remy | okay |
| 23:57.55 | ckknight | yea, you can't backref |
| 23:57.55 | Remy | that's too bad yeah |
| 23:58.03 | Zeerti | Want to know whats funny about that flow chart HP? |
| 23:58.18 | Zeerti | I hid the problem, and have a scapegoat of my brother :) |
| 23:58.38 | Remy | major problem that backref stuff : / |
| 23:58.41 | HP-snus | nice |
| 23:58.59 | Astazha | afk to see Repomen |
| 23:59.08 | ckknight | Repomen is such a ripoff |
| 23:59.11 | ckknight | of Repo: The Genetic Opera |
| 23:59.16 | ckknight | came out two years ago |
| 23:59.29 | Astazha | Well I hope it's at least entertaining. |
| 23:59.58 | Remy | so it's really impossible to have something like a linked list ? |
