IRC log for #sc2mapster on 20100319

`04:46.57`	`*** join/#sc2mapster purl (ibot@rikers.org)`
`04:46.57`	`*** topic/#sc2mapster is http://sc2mapster.com/ \| Players spreadsheet: http://averageurl.com/sc2/`
`04:56.53`	`Sixen`	`ohai purl`
`05:00.29`	`Corbo`	`How do I make a new article be on X category?`
`05:00.35`	`Corbo`	`I'm trying to add one to constants`
`05:02.25`	`Corbo`	`nvm figured out I think`
`05:02.27`	`Sixen`	`Whatcha mean`
`05:02.37`	`Sixen`	`The for filename, make it the path`
`05:03.04`	`Sixen`	`So for example, UnitData.xml is: SC2 API / Game Files / XML / UnitData.xml`
`05:03.37`	`Corbo`	`how about`
`05:03.47`	`Corbo`	`SC2 API / Types / Constants / Color Constants`
`05:04.12`	`Corbo`	`other articles under constants don't hhave the /constants/ part, though.`
`05:04.14`	`Sixen`	`yes, that'll work`
`05:04.17`	`Sixen`	`sec.`
`05:04.41`	`Sixen`	`Ah, it's just: SC2 API / Types / Color Constants`
`05:09.06`	`Sixen`	`Understand, Corbo?`
`05:10.24`	`Corbo`	`I do`
`05:10.38`	`Corbo`	`I have no idea how it'll fall under "constants", though.`
`05:10.44`	`Corbo`	`How about to color text?`
`05:11.00`	`Sixen`	`you have to edit that manually`
`05:11.08`	`Sixen`	`Oh wait. It won't be under "constants"`
`05:11.12`	`Sixen`	`It needs to go on the Types page.`
`05:11.19`	`Corbo`	`k`
`05:11.29`	`Sixen`	`So next, you go to the Types page and edit that, go down to the Constants header and addyour page there`
`05:11.47`	`Sixen`	`* [[SC2 API / Types / Color Constants\|Color Constants]]`
`05:11.51`	`Corbo`	`how about colored text?`
`05:12.03`	`Sixen`	`hmm`
`05:12.40`	`Sixen`	`maybe document that in the StringToText() function?`
`05:12.47`	`Sixen`	`that's what you use, right?`
`05:12.48`	`Corbo`	`huh?`
`05:13.07`	`Corbo`	`wait, what?`
`05:13.10`	`Sixen`	`Oh wait. Where does the colored text go you're talking about? :P`
`05:13.20`	`Corbo`	`in a wiki page :P`
`05:13.26`	`Sixen`	`I know that. Where in-game :p`
`05:13.28`	`Corbo`	`I'm trying to do a table`
`05:13.30`	`Corbo`	`oh`
`05:13.32`	`Corbo`	`anywhere?`
`05:13.36`	`Sixen`	`-.-`
`05:13.40`	`Sixen`	`How do you make the colored text? :P`
`05:14.47`	`Corbo`	`<c val="blah">text</c> where blah is either r,g,b color code a hex color value or a SC constant like #ColorGreen`
`05:14.56`	`Corbo`	`I'm trying to document all constants`
`05:14.57`	`Corbo`	`and be like`
`05:15.13`	`Corbo`	`name value output color`
`05:15.40`	`Sixen`	`hm`
`05:18.08`	`Sixen`	`I'm confused. You're trying to document the Constants, right?`
`05:18.41`	`Sixen`	`And then you want to show an example of the constants being used in a table, correct?`
`05:19.58`	`Repo`	`Knowledge base page update: http://www.sc2mapster.com/api-docs/functions/string-to-text/ by xcorbo`
`05:20.23`	`Corbo`	`okay, watch my update.`
`05:20.43`	`Corbo`	`one of the things I added was c val="#ColorRed"`
`05:20.52`	`Corbo`	`but in "see also"`
`05:20.58`	`Sixen`	`Yeah, that looks good.`
`05:21.00`	`Corbo`	`besides trigger debug output`
`05:21.08`	`Corbo`	`I want to link to color constants`
`05:21.15`	`Corbo`	`else... who knows what the constants are? :P`
`05:21.15`	`Sixen`	`Yeah, go ahead and do that!`
`05:21.18`	`Corbo`	`BUT`
`05:21.23`	`Corbo`	`I can't make the article :P`
`05:21.27`	`Sixen`	`oh? How come?`
`05:21.35`	`Sixen`	`Do you see a "New Article" button?`
`05:21.39`	`Corbo`	`Cause I don't know how to make colored text on the wiki`
`05:21.40`	`Corbo`	`:P`
`05:21.44`	`Sixen`	`oh`
`05:21.55`	`Corbo`	`That's what I was asking.`
`05:22.46`	`Sixen`	`facepalm`
`05:23.02`	`Sixen`	`I'm an idiot ^_^`
`05:23.24`	`Sixen`	`If you look underneath the body, you can change the "Markup Type" to BBcode`
`05:23.28`	`Sixen`	`And then it's [color=red]Red[/color]`
`05:24.31`	`Sixen`	`for WikiCreole, you can do...`
`05:25.02`	`Sixen`	`<<color red>>Red<</color>>`
`05:25.11`	`Corbo`	`Can you do hex codes?`
`05:25.12`	`Sixen`	`Also works with He`
`05:25.13`	`Sixen`	`x`
`05:25.16`	`Corbo`	`k`
`05:25.17`	`Sixen`	`<<color #ffff00>>Yellow<</color>>`
`05:25.24`	`Sixen`	`also works without the pound`
`05:25.33`	`Corbo`	`also`
`05:25.36`	`Sixen`	`And it can be 3-digit hex. f00 will be red.`
`05:25.52`	`Corbo`	`Can you do it inside <<code>>?`
`05:26.07`	`Sixen`	`should be able to. sec.`
`05:26.08`	`Corbo`	`I'll just rty that myself`
`05:26.09`	`Corbo`	`thanks`
`05:26.34`	`Sixen`	`Doesn't look like you can =/`
`05:26.46`	`Sixen`	`Which makes sense, I guess. Code makes it so it displays the text as is.`
`05:30.37`	`Corbo`	`hmmmm`
`05:30.43`	`Corbo`	`well that's annoying`
`05:30.50`	`Corbo`	`how else am I going to show the output then`
`05:30.50`	`Sixen`	`=/`
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`05:35.04`	`Corbo`	`should I just not post the color?`
`05:35.50`	`Sixen`	`hm`
`05:35.59`	`Sixen`	`Well`
`05:36.02`	`Sixen`	`If you did...`
`05:36.11`	`Corbo`	`How much html does it let me do?`
`05:36.15`	`Corbo`	`Cause I can do tables`
`05:36.20`	`Sixen`	`Should be OK there then`
`05:36.25`	`Corbo`	`let's try`
`05:36.39`	`Sixen`	`Unless you just do like... <<code>>code<</code>> output: <<color red>>red<</color>>`
`05:41.04`	`Corbo`	`That'd be more complicated than if I did html`
`05:41.08`	`Corbo`	`doing html already anyway`
`05:42.37`	`Sixen`	`Oh, kay. Sorry, :(`
`05:42.46`	`Sixen`	`Not sure whether or not any tags should be allowed in <<code>> though.`
`05:43.58`	`Arrowmaster`	`the 'safe html' is extremely limited`
`05:48.55`	`Corbo`	`it does just what I want to do, though.`
`05:49.13`	`Corbo`	`and I know it's limited, it didn't even let me do width :P`
`05:49.39`	`Arrowmaster`	`its still not recommended to use it or the old wiki syntax, they could be removed at anytime`
`05:49.53`	`Sixen`	`hrm?`
`05:50.00`	`Sixen`	`I won't let him remove it~`
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`05:50.47`	`Arrowmaster`	`safe html got turned into something almost useless due to security issues`
`05:52.03`	`Corbo`	`So, what do I use then?`
`05:52.18`	`Corbo`	`In case it gets whiped out`
`05:52.30`	`Corbo`	`Cause I'm not redoing it, I already got half the list in html`
`05:52.51`	`Arrowmaster`	`you want something like <<code>> but that will let you put the coloring in yourself instead of it coloring for you?`
`05:54.15`	`Sixen`	`Just use HTML Corbo`
`05:54.18`	`Corbo`	`I want something that makes pretty tables (orders things in columns). I use tab in text editor and if I just do raw text the tabbing becomes 1 single space, <<code>> keeps the tabs`
`05:54.22`	`Sixen`	`It won't get removed. If it does, i'll fix it.`
`05:54.30`	`Sixen`	`I don't see it getting removed.`
`05:54.56`	`Arrowmaster`	`did you even look at http://wiki.sc2mapster.com/markup-types/wiki-creole/`
`05:55.05`	`Sixen`	`You can't use color in <<code>> tags.`
`05:55.13`	`Arrowmaster`	`\|=\|=table\|=header\|`
`05:55.14`	`Arrowmaster`	`\|a\|table\|row\|`
`05:55.14`	`Arrowmaster`	`\|b\|table\|row\|`
`05:55.56`	`Arrowmaster`	`also ##monospace##`
`05:58.25`	`Arrowmaster`	`guessing this <<apifunction>> was something that was added specifically for the sc2 site? if so you need to keep using wikicreole`
`05:58.39`	`Sixen`	`Works in BBCode as well`
`05:59.57`	`Corbo`	`...`
`06:00.03`	`Corbo`	`fine`
`06:00.09`	`Corbo`	`I'll use that table thing`
`06:00.32`	`Sixen`	`:X`
`06:00.38`	`Sixen`	`If you want Corbo, finish HTML, i'll redo it for you.`
`06:02.10`	`Corbo`	`nah`
`06:02.16`	`Corbo`	`already doing it with \|s`
`06:03.11`	`Sixen`	`<333333`
`06:04.02`	`Arrowmaster`	`looking at another page, it doesnt look like you need to use <<code>> at all inside an <<example>>`
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`06:32.19`	`Repo`	`New knowledge base page: http://www.sc2mapster.com/api-docs/types/color-constants/ by xcorbo`
`06:34.11`	`Corbo`	`done`
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`06:35.30`	`Corbo`	`Needs to be accepted?`
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`06:39.08`	`vjeux`	`hey`
`06:40.39`	`Corbo`	`Hi`
`06:44.58`	`Repo`	`Knowledge base page update: http://www.sc2mapster.com/api-docs/types/ by xcorbo`
`06:45.14`	`vjeux`	`great`
`06:45.50`	`vjeux`	`we really need a recent update page`
`06:46.22`	`Corbo`	`I also did stuff on the string-to-text`
`06:46.46`	`vjeux`	`yeah just saw`
`06:46.49`	`vjeux`	`that's really nice`
`06:47.01`	`Corbo`	`and I am trying to link that to the constants one since the reason I listed the constants was because you can do <c val="#ColorWhite">text</c>`
`06:47.33`	`vjeux`	`[[SC2 API / Types / Color Constants \| constant values]]`
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`06:47.42`	`vjeux`	`<c val="#ColorRed">colored</c>: In addition to the first two you can also use Starcraft II's constant values`
`06:48.38`	`Repo`	`Knowledge base page update: http://www.sc2mapster.com/api-docs/functions/string-to-text/ by xcorbo`
`06:48.57`	`vjeux`	`where did you find these constants ?`
`06:49.09`	`Corbo`	`FontStyles.SC2Styles`
`06:49.18`	`vjeux`	`ok`
`06:49.19`	`Corbo`	`base.sc2data or something`
`06:49.47`	`Corbo`	`I still don't know how to make the text bigger and it makes me angry >:o`
`06:50.02`	`vjeux`	`did you manage to make it smaller?`
`06:50.18`	`Corbo`	`<s></s> makes it smaller`
`06:50.23`	`vjeux`	`<u> ?`
`06:50.26`	`Corbo`	`nothing`
`06:50.33`	`vjeux`	`<big>`
`06:50.39`	`Corbo`	`lol didn't try that`
`06:50.40`	`Hunter_Killers`	`<l> ? :P`
`06:50.47`	`Corbo`	`I tried l`
`06:50.49`	`vjeux`	`you should try all the letters`
`06:50.54`	`Corbo`	`I tried all ;o`
`06:51.09`	`Corbo`	`that's how I found out h = highlight`
`06:51.11`	`vjeux`	`ok :p`
`06:51.23`	`vjeux`	`height="#FontSizeMedium"`
`06:51.48`	`Corbo`	`there was some letters that made the tag look like <b val="blah">text</b>`
`06:51.58`	`Corbo`	`I called them "tags that break"`
`06:52.10`	`vjeux`	`<Style height="24">test</Style>`
`06:52.12`	`Corbo`	`and there was other tags that didn't look like that, looked like normal text`
`06:52.13`	`vjeux`	`have you tried that?`
`06:52.26`	`Corbo`	`l was one of the tags that didn't break`
`06:52.30`	`Corbo`	`but it did nothing`
`06:53.24`	`Corbo`	`I tried <style> with val="numbers" val="#FontSizeLarge" val="#somerandomstyletemplatename" and it did nothing`
`06:53.33`	`vjeux`	`ok`
`06:53.33`	`Corbo`	`I also tried <s> with those`
`06:54.07`	`vjeux`	`http://paste.sc2mapster.com/1824/`
`06:54.11`	`vjeux`	`we need to access all those!`
`06:54.13`	`Corbo`	`I also tried making my own constants ;o`
`06:54.21`	`vjeux`	`did it work?`
`06:54.38`	`Corbo`	`I don't know`
`06:54.47`	`Corbo`	`but I think that was the reason why sc2 didn't launch`
`06:54.47`	`Corbo`	`:P`
`06:55.38`	`Corbo`	`and yeah, we should be able to access all of those.`
`06:55.44`	`Corbo`	`but no idea how`
`06:56.34`	`vjeux`	`<c val="`
`06:56.39`	`vjeux`	`there is this string in the sc2.exe`
`06:56.43`	`vjeux`	`but nothing else around`
`06:56.55`	`vjeux`	`<s val=" </s> <n/> <ignore/>`
`06:57.23`	`Corbo`	`Good idea`
`06:57.28`	`Corbo`	`let's poke the .exe`
`07:00.35`	`vjeux`	`have you tried <font size="..." ?`
`07:00.40`	`Corbo`	`no`
`07:00.47`	`Corbo`	`I'd so laugh if that works`
`07:00.52`	`vjeux`	`xD`
`07:01.07`	`vjeux`	`they are so stupid to reinvent their own naming ... :p`
`07:01.10`	`vjeux`	`seriously`
`07:01.17`	`vjeux`	`http://www.sc2mapster.com/api-docs/types/color-constants/`
`07:01.30`	`vjeux`	`you should add a link back to the TextToString function`
`07:03.20`	`Corbo`	`Okay`
`07:03.40`	`Corbo`	`also font didn't work`
`07:03.45`	`Corbo`	`but it didn't break either`
`07:04.40`	`vjeux`	`post a comment on that function with the list of non breaking tags :)`
`07:07.02`	`vjeux`	`got to go`
`07:07.03`	`vjeux`	`cya`
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`07:10.28`	`Repo`	`Knowledge base page update: http://www.sc2mapster.com/api-docs/types/color-constants/ by xcorbo`
`07:16.35`	`Repo`	`Knowledge base page update: http://www.sc2mapster.com/api-docs/functions/string-to-text/ by xcorbo`
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`07:19.11`	`Jerub`	`so did everyone else get an extra invite for a friend today?`
`07:19.20`	`ckknight`	`yes`
`07:19.30`	`Corbo`	`So.. two extra keys?`
`07:19.33`	`Jerub`	`awesome.`
`07:19.40`	`Jerub`	`i got 1 extra key.`
`07:19.45`	`Corbo`	`oh`
`07:19.59`	`Jerub`	`which i'm probably going to give to a friend of mine who has apparently been playing sc1 every day since the beta came out`
`07:20.06`	`Jerub`	`to hone his skills for when he gets 2.`
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`07:20.14`	`Corbo`	`:P`
`07:21.27`	`ckknight`	`hehe`
`07:22.11`	`Corbo`	`I like the default avatars`
`07:22.22`	`ckknight`	`hmm?`
`07:22.27`	`Corbo`	`they're all absolutely arbitraty forms`
`07:22.31`	`Corbo`	`filled with clouds!`
`07:22.36`	`ckknight`	`oh, yea`
`07:22.39`	`Corbo`	`like`
`07:22.42`	`Corbo`	`mine's a violin`
`07:22.46`	`Corbo`	`and I just saw a duck`
`07:22.57`	`ckknight`	`I wrote an algorithm that'll take a hash of your name, generate a 3d heightmap from it`
`07:23.14`	`ckknight`	`and choose a mask also based on your name`
`07:23.19`	`ckknight`	`and thus generate your avatar`
`07:23.27`	`ckknight`	`I didn`
`07:23.32`	`ckknight`	`I didn't want everyone's to be the same`
`07:23.43`	`ckknight`	`but I didn't want to force people to choose avatars off-the-bat`
`07:23.54`	`ckknight`	`this is a happy medium`
`07:24.07`	`Corbo`	`loooool`
`07:24.17`	`Corbo`	`and I thought it was just preset avatars`
`07:24.20`	`Corbo`	`filled with clouds`
`07:24.21`	`Corbo`	`!`
`07:24.36`	`Corbo`	`but`
`07:24.56`	`Corbo`	`now that makes me wonder why am I a green cloud-filled violin`
`07:25.32`	`ckknight`	`because xcorbo's hash ended up being a green violin`
`07:25.33`	`ckknight`	`:P`
`07:26.10`	`ckknight`	`if you want to look at the code, the project's http://www.curseforge.com/projects/curseforge-artisan/`
`07:26.28`	`ckknight`	`http://hg.curseforge.net/www/curseforge-artisan/mainline`
`07:27.56`	`ckknight`	`wait, no, that's not artisan`
`07:28.00`	`ckknight`	`it's thumbman that's doing it`
`07:28.34`	`ckknight`	`and that code's not open`
`07:28.35`	`ckknight`	`either way`
`07:30.01`	`Corbo`	`k so`
`07:30.13`	`Corbo`	`since I totally failed at making the text bigger`
`07:30.23`	`Corbo`	`tomorrow I'll post the tileset`
`07:30.29`	`ckknight`	`k`
`07:31.12`	`Corbo`	`Do you upload the files after create?`
`07:31.20`	`Corbo`	`Or do I have to upload them somewhere else?`
`07:32.28`	`ckknight`	`once you make a project, just ping one of us to approve it`
`07:32.32`	`ckknight`	`then you can post up a zip`
`07:32.42`	`ckknight`	`our use the repository system and have it make a zip for you`
`07:32.50`	`ckknight`	`or*`
`07:33.48`	`Corbo`	`Oh, okay.`
`07:35.49`	`Corbo`	`k so`
`07:35.50`	`Corbo`	`bai`
`07:36.08`	`Sixen`	`bac`
`07:36.08`	`Sixen`	`k`
`07:47.54`	`Arrowmaster`	`just checked and i still dont have a beta invite`
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`10:25.11`	`Repo`	`New announcement: http://www.sc2mapster.com/announcements/galaxy-api-preview-part-2/`
`10:27.32`	`vjeux`	`we are starting to have a good documentation :)`
`10:32.08`	`vjeux`	`omg i'm alone!`
`10:32.48`	`Hunter_Killers`	`i'm just busy`
`10:33.01`	`vjeux`	`:)`
`10:38.06`	`vjeux`	`anyway going to eat`
`10:38.06`	`vjeux`	`cya`
`10:38.12`	`Hunter_Killers`	`cya`
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`11:55.53`	`vjeux`	`re`
`11:57.42`	`Hunter_Killers`	`so should i just format any other xml files like unitdata.xml?`
`11:58.35`	`vjeux`	`if it worked with unitdata.xml i guess that's ok`
`11:59.01`	`Hunter_Killers`	`well it can always be changed later`
`11:59.05`	`Computerpunk`	`Oh yeah, heya.`
`11:59.07`	`Computerpunk`	`That reminds me.`
`11:59.07`	`Computerpunk`	`:s`
`12:00.06`	`vjeux`	`if you come up with a better solution, go ahead :)`
`12:00.44`	`Hunter_Killers`	`i might use what Sixen did instead`
`12:00.55`	`Hunter_Killers`	`easier to read`
`12:01.11`	`vjeux`	`what's the differnece?`
`12:01.36`	`Computerpunk`	`I would've used tables.`
`12:02.20`	`vjeux`	`Computerpunk: we want each parameter to have a great description, no a one-liner`
`12:02.30`	`Computerpunk`	`Mmm, true.`
`12:02.34`	`vjeux`	`but clearly the current layout kinda sucks`
`12:03.30`	`vjeux`	`there will be a table of content on the right, it will be easier to navigate`
`12:06.01`	`Computerpunk`	`=D`
`12:24.24`	`vjeux`	`ok I found out why the AI was bugged in my TD ...`
`12:24.50`	`vjeux`	`I edited an AI file in my sc2 folder :(`
`12:27.23`	`vjeux`	`uploading a version that works`
`12:38.10`	`vjeux`	`ok it's up if you want to test :)`
`12:40.16`	`vjeux`	`http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/mapster-td/`
`12:41.22`	`Hunter_Killers`	`did that work on battle.net?`
`12:43.11`	`vjeux`	`it's not multiplayer`
`12:43.34`	`Hunter_Killers`	`i do all my modding on battle.net :P`
`12:44.18`	`vjeux`	`well, you are editing the mpq files only, not the maps right?`
`12:44.38`	`Hunter_Killers`	`yeah`
`12:45.07`	`vjeux`	`to be honest, one player is already hard enough :p`
`12:45.13`	`vjeux`	`will do more later!`
`12:52.08`	`Hunter_Killers`	`it would be great if the worker was more like an scv or probe`
`12:52.21`	`vjeux`	`why?`
`12:52.37`	`Hunter_Killers`	`so it doesn't get unselected building towers`
`12:53.44`	`vjeux`	`hmm yeah ... well, the goal is to put an error if you didn't copy the patch file`
`12:53.53`	`vjeux`	`but I'm planning to find a workaround`
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`15:23.08`	`Repo`	`Knowledge base page update: http://www.sc2mapster.com/api-docs/game-files/ by Hunter_Killers`
`15:23.19`	`Repo`	`New knowledge base page: http://www.sc2mapster.com/api-docs/game-files/xml/model-data-xml/ by Hunter_Killers`
`15:24.42`	`Hunter_Killers`	`another file down`
`15:26.31`	`ckknight`	`Hunter_Killers: what could be useful is an example of a full one`
`15:26.34`	`nicoli_s`	`yer awesome hunter_killers ")`
`15:26.38`	`nicoli_s`	`:) *`
`15:26.45`	`ckknight`	`oh yes, totally awesome`
`15:27.15`	`Hunter_Killers`	`so instead -- Insert data here. stuff an entry into it`
`15:27.30`	`Hunter_Killers`	`most of them usually don't have every field you can use`
`15:33.24`	`Sixen`	`Hunter_Killers, I used that "template" because i'm going to have ckk write a real template off that.`
`15:33.43`	`Sixen`	`So next we'll be able to just do something like... <<xmlfunction>>and have <<field>>, <<param>>, etc.`
`15:34.22`	`nicoli_s`	`Sixen: you rang?`
`15:34.24`	`Sixen`	`which should be converted automatically, :D`
`15:35.05`	`Hunter_Killers`	`main reason i used what you did is because it was less painful to read in a text editor lol`
`15:35.48`	`Sixen`	`;)`
`15:36.15`	`Sixen`	`Pointwas, eventually we'll have something like <<apifunction>> where it's nice and simple and we don't have to mess with any wiki//bbcode formatting`
`15:36.19`	`Sixen`	`soon(tm), hehe`
`15:38.02`	`ckknight`	`Sixen: by value, does that mean the CDATA?`
`15:38.34`	`Sixen`	`value is always set to 1`
`15:38.37`	`Sixen`	`I think.`
`15:38.43`	`Sixen`	`sec.`
`15:38.48`	`ckknight`	`in the XML stuff`
`15:38.55`	`nicoli_s`	`not always`
`15:39.12`	`Sixen`	`ah yes. It's the data.`
`15:39.21`	`Sixen`	`So, for lifemax/lifestart, it's the hitpoints value`
`15:39.48`	`ckknight`	`so it's the CDATA?`
`15:40.00`	`ckknight`	`as in, <tag>CDATA</tag>`
`15:40.13`	`nicoli_s`	`well its not labeled as cdata, but yes its the data inside the tags`
`15:42.44`	`ckknight`	`okay, it's not the CDATA at all`
`15:42.55`	`ckknight`	`it's an actual XML attribute`
`15:43.50`	`Sixen`	`bfrb.`
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`15:48.53`	`vjeux`	`http://www.udmod.com/showthread.php?508-First-Custom-Map-Mapster-TD`
`15:49.13`	`vjeux`	`that's sad, that's a really reactive community but they don't want to start working :p`
`15:50.46`	`nicoli_s`	`oh well, their loss`
`15:51.41`	`vjeux`	`:)`
`15:55.51`	`Repo`	`Knowledge base page update: http://www.sc2mapster.com/api-docs/game-files/xml/model-data-xml/ by Hunter_Killers`
`15:56.30`	`vjeux`	`nice`
`15:56.41`	`Hunter_Killers`	`fixing my typos`
`15:57.12`	`nicoli_s`	`so vjeux: i think we need to come up with some sort of automatic way to do the stuff you do with the patch`
`15:57.29`	`vjeux`	`i've had an idea`
`15:57.35`	`nicoli_s`	`shoot`
`15:57.42`	`Hunter_Killers`	`the xml changeS?`
`15:57.43`	`vjeux`	`maybe you can set <CardLayout id="0">`
`15:57.52`	`vjeux`	`and it will take is as first`
`15:58.00`	`nicoli_s`	`CardId is the id attribute name`
`15:58.56`	`Hunter_Killers`	`the id is used for submenu's`
`15:58.57`	`nicoli_s`	`yeah but there has to be some way to specify the top level one`
`15:59.05`	`vjeux`	`http://paste.sc2mapster.com/1825/`
`15:59.24`	`vjeux`	`basically the CardLayouts[0] is used to display the layout`
`15:59.48`	`vjeux`	`and then, it can refer to other card layouts with CardId`
`15:59.56`	`vjeux`	`which is pretty dumb since that's not an id="..."`
`16:00.02`	`nicoli_s`	`yah i get that, but maybe there is some cardid value we can give it to specify the first one`
`16:00.24`	`vjeux`	`btw, you can't change the CardId either`
`16:01.05`	`Hunter_Killers`	`CardId is just something <SubmenuCardId value="PBl1"/>, i changed it before`
`16:01.06`	`nicoli_s`	`that blows`
`16:01.27`	`Hunter_Killers`	`the one without an Id is usually what the game makes the default`
`16:03.24`	`Hunter_Killers`	`i'm not sure what you are trying to do`
`16:03.51`	`vjeux`	`basically, the game loads his GameData.xml`
`16:03.54`	`vjeux`	`and then ours`
`16:04.10`	`vjeux`	`and our replace / add new properties`
`16:04.51`	`vjeux`	`the problem is by doing that, after loading the 2 files we are at`
`16:05.09`	`vjeux`	`<Unit> <CardLayouts> Game One</> <CardLayouts> Ours</> </>`
`16:05.32`	`vjeux`	`and since the game only use the first one, he does take our changes`
`16:05.54`	`vjeux`	`you see?`
`16:07.09`	`vjeux`	`I wonder why cardLayout is not handled as an array`
`16:07.13`	`vjeux`	`with ids`
`16:08.46`	`nicoli_s`	`the same problem affects RaceData.xmls starting unit array`
`16:09.08`	`nicoli_s`	`so if you put just a stock racedata.xml in the map, it duplicates all the starting units`
`16:09.16`	`vjeux`	`:p`
`16:09.29`	`vjeux`	`we should have two methods to override: one that adds, one that replace`
`16:09.36`	`vjeux`	`s`
`16:09.40`	`nicoli_s`	`so, for the problem of spawning new units, i think ive figured out a solution`
`16:09.43`	`Hunter_Killers`	`yeah i simply don't run into these problems just editing the files inside patch.mpq`
`16:09.49`	`vjeux`	`yep`
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`16:09.58`	`vjeux`	`hey Corbo`
`16:10.00`	`Corbo`	`Hi`
`16:10.13`	`nicoli_s`	`for ai, like you said, we can just make the units it needs to produce 0 time and materials, and just tell the ai to make it`
`16:10.30`	`vjeux`	`well, we can't just teleport them`
`16:10.34`	`Hunter_Killers`	`0 time will crash`
`16:10.40`	`nicoli_s`	`really? that sucks`
`16:10.41`	`vjeux`	`nop 0 is good`
`16:10.42`	`Hunter_Killers`	`needs to be at least 1`
`16:10.43`	`nicoli_s`	`ok then 1 time`
`16:11.07`	`Corbo`	`that sux`
`16:11.08`	`vjeux`	`I've set my probe time to 0 and the nexus created them 2 by 2`
`16:11.09`	`Hunter_Killers`	`i tried making a unit morph out of an egg at 0 and DEP killed it`
`16:11.11`	`vjeux`	`instant`
`16:11.29`	`Corbo`	`hmm`
`16:11.32`	`vjeux`	`I filled the starting area with it`
`16:11.41`	`Sixen`	`(9:09:05 AM) nicoli_s: so if you put just a stock racedata.xml in the map, it duplicates all the starting units --- Aha! Someone tell iggyhopper that.`
`16:11.41`	`vjeux`	`and it was still playable`
`16:11.42`	`Hunter_Killers`	`might be different with training from buildings`
`16:11.50`	`vjeux`	`yup`
`16:12.03`	`Sixen`	`Apparently i'm getting dragged out to the Mall today.`
`16:12.05`	`vjeux`	`btw, Hunter_Killers, note somewhere that it crashes the game`
`16:12.10`	`vjeux`	`we want to make bug reports`
`16:12.16`	`Corbo`	`hey`
`16:12.18`	`Corbo`	`I knew that`
`16:12.21`	`nicoli_s`	`and for creating stuff for the player, we can just setup the enemy player as hostile to all, and setup a second player that is friendly, and make its buildings untargetable, and just command them to build`
`16:12.22`	`Hunter_Killers`	`not with the loader running`
`16:12.24`	`Sixen`	`When I get back, we'll advertise this stuff, OK vjeux?`
`16:12.25`	`Corbo`	`anyway on how to make the units NOT double?`
`16:12.26`	`Hunter_Killers`	`its been pissing off blizzard`
`16:12.40`	`nicoli_s`	`Corbo: only by editing the patch.mpq`
`16:12.42`	`vjeux`	`Sixen: ok`
`16:12.46`	`Sixen`	`yeah, we need a way to do it without the loader.`
`16:12.46`	`nicoli_s`	`which isnt a real good solution`
`16:12.49`	`Sixen`	`Is that possible?`
`16:13.03`	`nicoli_s`	`what you mean launch a map without the loader?np`
`16:13.05`	`nicoli_s`	`no*`
`16:13.20`	`vjeux`	`and won't be until they release their map editor`
`16:13.28`	`Sixen`	`that really sucks`
`16:13.36`	`vjeux`	`anyway, the loader is really just a loader`
`16:13.37`	`Sixen`	`sclegacy, all those big fansites will say what udmod said.`
`16:13.46`	`vjeux`	`well, they are really stupid`
`16:13.49`	`nicoli_s`	`well theres nothing we can do about it`
`16:13.50`	`Sixen`	`=/`
`16:13.54`	`nicoli_s`	`its in blizzard's hands`
`16:13.57`	`Sixen`	`Truth.`
`16:14.00`	`Sixen`	`I'll brb on my cellphone.`
`16:14.09`	`vjeux`	`and, the loader is making blizzard a lot of advertisment`
`16:14.12`	`Sixen`	`I need to find my balls somewhere, -.-`
`16:14.16`	`Sixen`	`yeah, no doubt.`
`16:14.37`	`vjeux`	`but once the game is out, they are going to kill every loaders and such things`
`16:14.42`	`Hunter_Killers`	`yeah but using a loader to play the beta without battle.net is dangerous grounds for any fansite`
`16:14.46`	`nicoli_s`	`what we need to do is add launching capabilities to the editor i think`
`16:15.01`	`nicoli_s`	`by letting people just specify their lazylauncher path and just launch it that way`
`16:15.03`	`vjeux`	`and not call it loader :p`
`16:15.16`	`nicoli_s`	`and integrate the patch.mpq sqitching`
`16:15.33`	`nicoli_s`	`like maybe make it so you can just put the patch.mpq into the map, and if its present, hot swap them before launching`
`16:15.35`	`Corbo`	`So you can't just open maps withsc2 beta?`
`16:15.40`	`nicoli_s`	`nope corbo`
`16:15.41`	`vjeux`	`btw the patch.mpq thing is just adding an empty xml file inside`
`16:15.43`	`Corbo`	`...`
`16:15.48`	`Corbo`	`That's disappointing.`
`16:16.02`	`nicoli_s`	`the open map functionality is leftover galaxy edit code in the game exe`
`16:16.06`	`nicoli_s`	`for loading a test map`
`16:16.19`	`vjeux`	`yup`
`16:16.31`	`Corbo`	`brb`
`16:16.33`	`Corbo`	`breakfast`
`16:16.38`	`vjeux`	`basically it's nothing but using a feature that is already available but not given out`
`16:16.45`	`Hunter_Killers`	`its probobly possible to edit the map hiding in the cache folder`
`16:16.49`	`Hunter_Killers`	`i've yet to try`
`16:16.58`	`nicoli_s`	`it is`
`16:17.11`	`nicoli_s`	`but the issue with that is you cant auto launch those, so its just a pain to get to`
`16:17.18`	`vjeux`	`but too complicated to launch`
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`16:19.02`	`vjeux`	`well Galaxy is designed so that there is no need for coding, and that every function is available in the triggers and data editor. or so i hear. theres not much you can learn from the WE other than the basic layout and operation of the triggering and object editors. and terraining ofc. but the SC2 editor is vastly superior is every respect. i have msn if you want to talk.`
`16:19.05`	`vjeux`	`I love that guy`
`16:19.16`	`Fisker`	`i need a tower :(`
`16:19.18`	`nicoli_s`	`lol`
`16:19.22`	`vjeux`	`the editor is not even out and he knows what it is :p`
`16:19.29`	`nicoli_s`	`and how great it is :P`
`16:20.03`	`vjeux`	`loool, he just added me on msn`
`16:20.12`	`vjeux`	`forced-attrition@...`
`16:20.13`	`vjeux`	`wtf`
`16:21.17`	`nicoli_s`	`so vjeux: what do you think of the idea of embedding the patch.mpq into the map, for hot swapping?`
`16:21.54`	`nicoli_s`	`also, do you know if its possible to just add a new folder and put in the patch.mpq and load it that wat?`
`16:21.57`	`vjeux`	`I would rather have the editor to seek for Mods\... and put them inside the mpq`
`16:22.18`	`vjeux`	`since we just want to add empty xml file inside the patch.mpq`
`16:22.48`	`nicoli_s`	`ok so it should just know what files you have in, and go in and manually add empty xml files for the ones you edited?`
`16:23.04`	`vjeux`	`well, the one that I want to override`
`16:23.15`	`vjeux`	`what I propose you is`
`16:23.25`	`vjeux`	`Mods\Liberty...\AbilData.xml`
`16:23.35`	`vjeux`	`since there is Mods\ means it has to be added to the mpq`
`16:24.01`	`vjeux`	`so you don't have to make something specific`
`16:24.34`	`vjeux`	`and is not going to be read by sc2 anyway`
`16:29.39`	`nicoli_s`	`nice, tested out making units heros :)`
`16:29.52`	`vjeux`	`can you have items?`
`16:29.56`	`vjeux`	`and xp?`
`16:30.12`	`nicoli_s`	`yeah, though no clue how to do that yet`
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`16:30.46`	`Hunter_Killers`	`the xp system would have to be made from scratch`
`16:31.00`	`nicoli_s`	`i doubt it, theres xp fields already`
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`16:31.10`	`vjeux`	`nicoli_s you recommended me a program that watches all the i/o for a specific program`
`16:31.11`	`Hunter_Killers`	`i mean functionality`
`16:31.11`	`debug\|`	`Rawr`
`16:31.15`	`vjeux`	`do you recall the name of it`
`16:31.19`	`debug\|`	`Hrm. My name isn't sixen.`
`16:31.25`	`vjeux`	`(about ~5 years ago :P)`
`16:31.28`	`Corbo`	`:P`
`16:31.43`	`debug\|`	`Bleh, ill fix it when I'm done driving. Its sixen.`
`16:31.47`	`nicoli_s`	`processmonitor vjeux`
`16:31.50`	`vjeux`	`thanks`
`16:32.01`	`vjeux`	`need to see if they don't load another mpq than patch.mpq`
`16:32.19`	`vjeux`	`so you can just put a dummy mpq with 2 files`
`16:32.25`	`vjeux`	`instead of modifying patch.mpq`
`16:32.50`	`nicoli_s`	`yeah thats what i meant about putting in another folder with a higher patch number`
`16:32.54`	`nicoli_s`	`gonna test it now actually`
`16:32.54`	`Hunter_Killers`	`apparently they are just adding more mpq's each patch`
`16:33.27`	`Hunter_Killers`	`mpqdraft would be the easiest way but it would have to get updated every patch`
`16:34.22`	`Corbo`	`did anyone try doing something like`
`16:34.30`	`nicoli_s`	`woot! works`
`16:34.31`	`Corbo`	`version\200000\`
`16:34.36`	`nicoli_s`	`vjeux: you can just add a new folder`
`16:34.48`	`debug\|`	`Dummy folder?`
`16:34.57`	`nicoli_s`	`just add Base14357 and put everything in Base14356 but with the new patch mpq`
`16:35.01`	`debug\|`	`Can we cann it mapster or something?`
`16:35.15`	`vjeux`	`ok`
`16:35.17`	`debug\|`	`call*`
`16:35.31`	`nicoli_s`	`call what?`
`16:35.38`	`debug\|`	`Why do we need to edit patch.mpq anyway?`
`16:35.43`	`debug\|`	`Theversion folder`
`16:35.48`	`nicoli_s`	`look up, vjeux explained it`
`16:35.58`	`debug\|`	`Not home, can't see.`
`16:35.59`	`nicoli_s`	`and it needs the higher number so the game will load it last`
`16:36.06`	`debug\|`	`Ah.`
`16:36.19`	`nicoli_s`	`well just believe us, we have to edit the patch.mpq, but this way works better`
`16:36.27`	`debug\|`	`Then we need to call it like 999999 so it isn't a real patch`
`16:36.35`	`Hunter_Killers`	`so why are you using /Files instead of puting them inside the mpq`
`16:36.38`	`nicoli_s`	`still, it would prob need to be removed to actually play the main game`
`16:36.49`	`Corbo`	`that's why I said 200000`
`16:36.50`	`Corbo`	`>.>`
`16:37.04`	`Corbo`	`and yeah`
`16:37.06`	`nicoli_s`	`Hunter_Killers: vjeux explained this earlier, its because the game doesnt properly override elements without ids`
`16:37.16`	`nicoli_s`	`so things like button layouts get duplicated rather than overwritten`
`16:37.18`	`nicoli_s`	`so we cant use them`
`16:37.21`	`Corbo`	`if it works you still will have to delete it so changes don't apply to game for real`
`16:37.30`	`nicoli_s`	`yeah, bout to test if thats the case or not`
`16:37.49`	`Hunter_Killers`	`sounds like a bug with your loader`
`16:37.54`	`debug\|`	`So what we really njeed is our own launcher...`
`16:38.00`	`nicoli_s`	`Hunter_Killers: its not`
`16:38.12`	`nicoli_s`	`its a blizzard bug im pretty`
`16:38.16`	`nicoli_s`	`pretty sure*`
`16:39.09`	`nicoli_s`	`ok confirmed the map still works with the version as 9999999`
`16:39.16`	`nicoli_s`	`now to check if it affects the live game`
`16:39.39`	`debug\|`	`;). It shouldn't.`
`16:39.49`	`Corbo`	`it should.`
`16:39.56`	`debug\|`	`It will only pull out of the versions folder for a replay file I though?`
`16:40.12`	`debug\|`	`And only if that replay is assosiated to that ver.`
`16:40.39`	`debug\|`	`Or does it use the latest version for the game itself?`
`16:40.58`	`nicoli_s`	`no it uses the versions folder for the patch mpq`
`16:41.10`	`nicoli_s`	`this is how all blizz games work`
`16:41.22`	`nicoli_s`	`they apply new mpqs that overwrite files in the old ones as they move up`
`16:41.35`	`nicoli_s`	`starting with core -> liberty -> multi - > patch -> map`
`16:41.46`	`debug\|`	`Right, does the game run off the patch.mpq in the versopns folder?`
`16:41.58`	`debug\|`	`Or is there one in the root dir somewhere.`
`16:42.21`	`vjeux`	`nicoli_s. write it down somewhere`
`16:42.43`	`Hunter_Killers`	`i commented out everything but the gather button and it worked fine http://img710.imageshack.us/img710/4483/sc22010031909411491.jpg`
`16:43.07`	`vjeux`	`did you insert it into the map file?`
`16:43.08`	`nicoli_s`	`Hunter_Killers: how did you package it up?`
`16:43.26`	`Hunter_Killers`	`i stuffed it into patch.mpq like everything else`
`16:43.32`	`nicoli_s`	`yeah, it works that way`
`16:43.40`	`nicoli_s`	`its just if its in the map, it doesnt override properly`
`16:43.53`	`debug\|`	`Weird...`
`16:43.54`	`nicoli_s`	`its prob a bug with the test map functionality used to launch maps`
`16:44.04`	`vjeux`	`don't think so`
`16:44.06`	`nicoli_s`	`probably some old code thats left in`
`16:44.19`	`vjeux`	`it looks coherent to only put the modifications in the map xml`
`16:44.36`	`nicoli_s`	`well yeah, im just saying its a bug that those arent overwriting properly`
`16:44.43`	`vjeux`	`yep`
`16:44.48`	`sixen-debug`	`Report it then.`
`16:44.48`	`nicoli_s`	`since we know that its properly working from the patch mpq`
`16:44.49`	`vjeux`	`maybe that's a feature :p`
`16:44.54`	`sixen-debug`	`Lol`
`16:45.02`	`nicoli_s`	`also, unfortunately, the game will load all the Base* folders`
`16:45.18`	`sixen-debug`	`Right, it needs it for replays.`
`16:45.20`	`nicoli_s`	`so having Base999999 makes the game still load it on official`
`16:45.26`	`sixen-debug`	`Will that affect us at all?`
`16:45.28`	`nicoli_s`	`its not just for replays sixen`
`16:45.33`	`nicoli_s`	`i just explained this :P`
`16:45.40`	`nicoli_s`	`the game uses those folders for their patches`
`16:45.52`	`Hunter_Killers`	`yeah it keeps all the old patches for replays`
`16:45.59`	`sixen-debug`	`Nothing is being patched.`
`16:45.59`	`nicoli_s`	`it applies the patch mpqs one after another im pretty sure`
`16:46.13`	`sixen-debug`	`So what is it used for?`
`16:46.15`	`vjeux`	`don't think so nicoli_s, imo they just load the first file they found`
`16:46.35`	`vjeux`	`if there's a UnitData.xml in version 2 and version 1, only the version 2 is loaded`
`16:46.47`	`vjeux`	`this would seem bright to do it that way`
`16:46.56`	`vjeux`	`and that's how they do it in wow`
`16:47.10`	`sixen-debug`	`So it just loads whatever base has the highest # and uses that for the game?`
`16:47.11`	`nicoli_s`	`vjeux: well with wow, they didnt do it exactly this way`
`16:47.19`	`nicoli_s`	`in wow, the old patches were seperate from the current version`
`16:47.20`	`Corbo`	`yeah, sixen`
`16:47.23`	`Hunter_Killers`	`blizzard just throws away the old data for the most part in wow`
`16:47.32`	`nicoli_s`	`wheras in sc2, the game uses the highest patch file for usre`
`16:47.46`	`Hunter_Killers`	`the latest patch folder in SC2 has everything from the previous patches in it`
`16:47.54`	`nicoli_s`	`ok so that settles it then`
`16:48.29`	`vjeux`	`does it also load previous patches?`
`16:48.37`	`Hunter_Killers`	`if a replay requests it`
`16:48.39`	`sixen-debug`	`So if we copy the latest one, it should work fine.`
`16:48.42`	`sixen-debug`	`Right.`
`16:48.43`	`nicoli_s`	`probably not, for the actual game`
`16:48.59`	`sixen-debug`	`Hrm?`
`16:49.11`	`Hunter_Killers`	`theres no reason for them to be using anything but the latest over battle.net`
`16:49.22`	`nicoli_s`	`well i thought it might chain them together`
`16:49.33`	`nicoli_s`	`but if the latest one has the data from the old ones, then it more than likely doesnt`
`16:49.53`	`Hunter_Killers`	`its pretty much Core>Liberty>LibertyMulti>LatestPatch>MapData`
`16:49.54`	`vjeux`	`chaining: slow, coyping: uses space`
`16:50.04`	`nicoli_s`	`exactly Hunter_Killers`
`16:50.25`	`nicoli_s`	`cuz putting Base999999 folder with the mapstertd patch mpq makes the game not load a map properly`
`16:50.30`	`Hunter_Killers`	`so if you have patch 1, 2, 3 and 4`
`16:50.43`	`Hunter_Killers`	`1, 2 and 3 are discarded because 4 has their data`
`16:51.10`	`Hunter_Killers`	`those older patches only exist for replay compatibility`
`16:51.23`	`sixen-debug`	`Correct`
`16:51.39`	`sixen-debug`	`so, what if we do something different..`
`16:51.57`	`sixen-debug`	`Call ours like... base0 and launch sc2swithcer.`
`16:52.10`	`sixen-debug`	`That way we don't affect official client.`
`16:52.12`	`nicoli_s`	`hmm thats a decent idea`
`16:52.27`	`sixen-debug`	`Sc2swit@her.exe is what switches to another ver for replays.`
`16:52.27`	`nicoli_s`	`do we know the arguements to sc2switcher`
`16:52.40`	`nicoli_s`	`actuallly nm, dont that thatd work`
`16:52.47`	`sixen-debug`	`I haven't tested yet, open it in notepad.`
`16:52.48`	`nicoli_s`	`as the launcher is what loads the exe`
`16:52.53`	`nicoli_s`	`and it does extra stuff`
`16:53.49`	`sixen-debug`	`we need our own launcher then, :).`
`16:54.14`	`sixen-debug`	`Or we need to edit LL. I found a source on darkblizz somewhere.`
`16:54.24`	`Hunter_Killers`	`you could probobly get away with a fancy bat file`
`16:54.39`	`Hunter_Killers`	`but that wouldn't get around battle.net :P`
`16:55.04`	`sixen-debug`	`Sure it would.`
`16:55.20`	`sixen-debug`	`The game would launch the latest ver, not ours.`
`16:55.33`	`nicoli_s`	`well thats not the issue sixen`
`16:55.53`	`nicoli_s`	`the issue is that the memory mods needed to make the game load the map, might not work if we launch the exe through the swithcer exe`
`16:56.27`	`nicoli_s`	`actually, if we had the LL source, we could get it to load only a specific exe, instead of the latest`
`16:56.45`	`Hunter_Killers`	`thats what i meant about a bat file, swapping out the original map with yours`
`16:56.47`	`vjeux`	`we can ask LL to load a specific version`
`16:56.51`	`sixen-debug`	`There's a source to it on darkblizz forums somewhere.`
`16:57.02`	`sixen-debug`	`Can we?`
`16:57.06`	`Hunter_Killers`	`and switch them back when the game closes`
`16:57.13`	`vjeux`	`yeah, there's a param in the readme`
`16:57.24`	`nicoli_s`	`ok sweet`
`16:57.31`	`nicoli_s`	`then why dont we package ours as Base1`
`16:57.38`	`sixen-debug`	`Oh, then were fine. We can call it base0 or something and use a bat file to launch our exe`
`16:57.39`	`vjeux`	`lazylaunch2.exe -v 13891 X:\Path\To\Map.s2ma`
`16:57.42`	`sixen-debug`	`Yeah, sure.`
`16:57.49`	`nicoli_s`	`ok, lemme test this then`
`16:58.24`	`sixen-debug`	`Can the base* have characters?`
`16:58.34`	`sixen-debug`	`Can we call our version baseMapster?`
`16:58.55`	`*** join/#sc2mapster dusthawk (~rmuzzey@69.73.16.202)`
`17:00.42`	`nicoli_s`	`sweet!`
`17:00.51`	`sixen-debug`	`:)`
`17:00.59`	`nicoli_s`	`ok so now we can do this without affecting the base game at all`
`17:01.02`	`dusthawk`	`need more developer tower names`
`17:01.09`	`sixen-debug`	`Nic, can our ver be chars or does it have to be numeric?`
`17:01.17`	`dusthawk`	`developers, developers, developers`
`17:01.46`	`sixen-debug`	`I think our towers are good, :D.`
`17:01.49`	`nicoli_s`	`sixen: no, as LL formats it as a number`
`17:01.55`	`sixen-debug`	`Hmm.`
`17:02.07`	`sixen-debug`	`Alright, whatever, :p.`
`17:02.14`	`ckknight`	`sixen-debug, Sixen: who is sixen-debug?`
`17:02.21`	`sixen-debug`	`Me, I'm not home.`
`17:02.22`	`nicoli_s`	`but still, i was able to copy over Base14356 to Base13000 and then put in the patch mpq archive in Base13000`
`17:02.30`	`sixen-debug`	`on my cllphone.`
`17:02.41`	`nicoli_s`	`and then edit the launch.bat to MPQEditor.exe /console add.mpq2k`
`17:02.42`	`nicoli_s`	`lazylaunch2.exe -v 13000 map.s2ma -- -trigdebug=1`
`17:02.46`	`sixen-debug`	`Well, at least that works then, =)`
`17:03.34`	`sixen-debug`	`We need a cool ver then.`
`17:03.38`	`sixen-debug`	`001337`
`17:03.44`	`Corbo`	`what won't work`
`17:03.48`	`Corbo`	`you can do 9001`
`17:03.54`	`Corbo`	`90001*`
`17:04.05`	`nicoli_s`	`well we want it < than the current patch corbo`
`17:04.10`	`nicoli_s`	`other wise the game will try and load it`
`17:04.12`	`Corbo`	`oh`
`17:04.13`	`sixen-debug`	`well, it needs to be less than 14356`
`17:04.13`	`Corbo`	`less?`
`17:04.15`	`sixen-debug`	`Yeah`
`17:04.19`	`Corbo`	`I thought you wanted it more`
`17:04.20`	`Corbo`	`:P`
`17:04.22`	`vjeux`	`:)`
`17:04.25`	`sixen-debug`	`So 09001 works`
`17:04.35`	`ckknight`	`debug â on cellphone`
`17:04.38`	`nicoli_s`	`lets just stick with 13000`
`17:04.42`	`vjeux`	`ok so the bat could copy the patch.mpq inside that folder`
`17:04.52`	`sixen-debug`	`Is 13000 a real ver?`
`17:04.53`	`Corbo`	`vjeux`
`17:04.56`	`nicoli_s`	`no sixen`
`17:05.00`	`vjeux`	`does it need to have the sc2.exe and things like that?`
`17:05.02`	`nicoli_s`	`its slightly less that the first patch`
`17:05.04`	`nicoli_s`	`yes vjeux`
`17:05.08`	`nicoli_s`	`or LL doesnt work`
`17:05.11`	`vjeux`	`ok`
`17:05.18`	`Corbo`	`can you make the .bat remove the files after sc2 closes?`
`17:05.28`	`vjeux`	`probably`
`17:05.28`	`nicoli_s`	`yes we can def do that`
`17:05.37`	`Corbo`	`Cause that's be cool.`
`17:05.38`	`Corbo`	`:p`
`17:05.39`	`nicoli_s`	`i think bat has support for that`
`17:05.41`	`Corbo`	`that'd*`
`17:05.55`	`Corbo`	`If you do that you don't even need to use a lesser version`
`17:06.12`	`Corbo`	`cause it'd clear out modified files when sc2 closes, no?`
`17:06.13`	`sixen-debug`	`Well... id do it just in case.`
`17:06.36`	`vjeux`	`yep`
`17:06.46`	`sixen-debug`	`We can keep our own ver in there too, no need to delete it.`
`17:06.56`	`sixen-debug`	`And use it for futuer mapster maps, no?`
`17:07.13`	`sixen-debug`	`Or delete it so people don't see it?`
`17:08.11`	`Corbo`	`I'd say delete it, if possible.`
`17:09.14`	`sixen-debug`	`Yeah, I suppose.`
`17:10.23`	`Fisker`	`nicoli_s`
`17:10.45`	`nicoli_s`	`?`
`17:11.38`	`Fisker`	`what's the s for?`
`17:11.54`	`nicoli_s`	`sinkule`
`17:11.56`	`nicoli_s`	`my last nane`
`17:11.58`	`nicoli_s`	`name*`
`17:12.09`	`sixen-debug`	`He's lieing.`
`17:12.13`	`nicoli_s`	`not true`
`17:12.18`	`sixen-debug`	`He's really my son.`
`17:12.20`	`nicoli_s`	`lol`
`17:12.23`	`sixen-debug`	`Nicoli_sixen`
`17:12.39`	`vjeux`	`Vjeux_owns_you_all`
`17:12.56`	`sixen-debug`	`I don't soo _s.`
`17:13.00`	`sixen-debug`	`See*`
`17:13.47`	`nicoli_s`	`lol`
`17:14.18`	`sixen-debug`	`Vjeux, what can I do for the map? :p.`
`17:14.30`	`vjeux`	`hmm`
`17:14.47`	`vjeux`	`you can add more towers / waves`
`17:14.55`	`vjeux`	`and tweak them to make it more enjoyable to play`
`17:15.08`	`sixen-debug`	`Sounds good.`
`17:15.15`	`Corbo`	`has anyone tried playing with the heightmap?`
`17:15.26`	`nicoli_s`	`corbo: some people have`
`17:15.37`	`nicoli_s`	`i think iggyhopper, whos in here a bunch does`
`17:16.20`	`sixen-debug`	`Someone was explaining the terrain is read by the heightmap.`
`17:16.30`	`sixen-debug`	`Either you or iggy,`
`17:17.38`	`nicoli_s`	`was iggy`
`17:17.50`	`nicoli_s`	`ive looked at the heightmaps, seem pretty simple`
`17:17.57`	`nicoli_s`	`2 bytes for every x/y in the map`
`17:18.33`	`sixen-debug`	`Mmm, yeah. Should be easy to draw that it mwe.`
`17:18.48`	`vjeux`	`sixen-debug if you are going to add new units`
`17:18.50`	`vjeux`	`<PROTECTED>`
`17:19.11`	`vjeux`	`you have to add this, or they will flee if being attacked`
`17:19.11`	`sixen-debug`	`K =).`
`17:19.20`	`sixen-debug`	`Ah, ok.`
`17:19.44`	`vjeux`	`going out, will be back later`
`17:20.04`	`sixen-debug`	`Later`
`17:20.58`	`Corbo`	`I was the one explaining that :P`
`17:21.08`	`sixen-debug`	`Lol, :(`
`17:21.20`	`Corbo`	`but yeah`
`17:21.24`	`Corbo`	`seems pretty simply`
`17:21.31`	`sixen-debug`	`Corbo, how would you feel about putting your tileset in our TD?`
`17:22.19`	`nicoli_s`	`i wish we knew why the waves dont work properly on some people's games`
`17:22.57`	`Corbo`	`this hex editor doesn't have replace`
`17:22.59`	`sixen-debug`	`Hrm. Its sometimes on everyone, right?`
`17:22.59`	`Corbo`	`wtf`
`17:23.12`	`nicoli_s`	`i havent yet gotten it to work right for me`
`17:23.35`	`sixen-debug`	`Hm, ill try again when I get back.`
`17:23.58`	`Fisker`	`vjeux how does one shot web`
`17:24.05`	`Fisker`	`(i.e. use you map)`
`17:24.16`	`nicoli_s`	`theres a readme fisker`
`17:24.37`	`Fisker`	`indeed there is nicoli_s`
`17:24.42`	`Fisker`	`following it doesn't work`
`17:24.49`	`Fisker`	`so i ask gain`
`17:24.52`	`nicoli_s`	`hey vjeux: do you mind adding me as an author for the TD? want to modify it some`
`17:25.00`	`Fisker`	`ffffffuuuuuu?`
`17:25.00`	`nicoli_s`	`also, is it on svn?`
`17:25.38`	`sixen-debug`	`Don't think its on the svn.`
`17:25.45`	`sixen-debug`	`Just assets iirc.`
`17:33.00`	`Corbo`	`it won't load my map`
`17:33.04`	`Corbo`	`:C`
`17:33.17`	`nicoli_s`	`what wont corbo?`
`17:33.25`	`Corbo`	`the stupid loader :P`
`17:34.39`	`Corbo`	`aww`
`17:34.41`	`Corbo`	`it didn't work`
`17:35.43`	`Repo`	`Knowledge base page update: http://www.sc2mapster.com/api-docs/game-files/xml/unit-data-xml/ by Hunter_Killers`
`17:36.32`	`nicoli_s`	`what were you trying to do?`
`17:36.53`	`Fisker`	`i could keel u`
`17:37.57`	`Corbo`	`I tried making all 4E bytes in heightmap to FF`
`17:39.21`	`Hunter_Killers`	`if someone feels like doing ActorData.xml, feel free :P`
`17:43.56`	`Corbo`	`screw it`
`17:44.03`	`Corbo`	`I'll do heightmap stuff later`
`17:45.42`	`Corbo`	`see ya in the night guys`
`18:05.00`	`Hunter_Killers`	`wasn't that fun digging around for an e-mail from 3 years ago to unblock my guild wars account`
`18:09.53`	`vjeux`	`nicoli_s sure, let me add you`
`18:10.51`	`vjeux`	`what's your curse user?`
`18:14.06`	`vjeux`	`Fisker: what's the problem?`
`18:14.13`	`sixen-debug`	`Lol, that sucks hk.`
`18:14.36`	`sixen-debug`	`Sanktanglia I think.`
`18:16.20`	`vjeux`	`thanks`
`18:16.30`	`sixen-debug`	`Yupper. Am I an author already?`
`18:16.32`	`vjeux`	`Sixen and sanktanglia are now author`
`18:16.43`	`sixen-debug`	`Kay, =)`
`18:17.06`	`vjeux`	`dunno if you can do everything by being author`
`18:17.15`	`vjeux`	`if you can't just tell me i'll check more things :p`
`18:17.37`	`sixen-debug`	`Np. I'm a mod also, I should be able to do whatever, :).`
`18:18.02`	`vjeux`	`do not hesitate to do so :)`
`18:18.10`	`sixen-debug`	`=)`
`18:18.22`	`vjeux`	`i'm for a world where everyone's root :p`
`18:18.31`	`sixen-debug`	`Bahahahahaha`
`18:20.09`	`sixen-debug`	`I wish there was a way to get around using the launcher.`
`18:20.35`	`vjeux`	`maybe if we drop a file into the sc2.exe file ... :p`
`18:20.47`	`sixen-debug`	`;/`
`18:21.14`	`sixen-debug`	`That would probably cause a problem when trying to connect to bnet.`
`18:21.39`	`sixen-debug`	`We'd also have to distribute a modified sc2.exe, =/.`
`18:25.23`	`vjeux`	`http://forums.sc2mapster.com/general/general-chat/209-mpq-problems/#p2`
`18:25.42`	`vjeux`	`just answered, if you didn't happen to understand what nicoli_s said, having an example might help`
`18:28.43`	`sixen-debug`	`Ah, yeah.`
`18:29.33`	`sixen-debug`	`We fixed that though.`
`18:29.41`	`vjeux`	`how?`
`18:29.48`	`sixen-debug`	`I thought launching with the specific version fixed it?`
`18:30.01`	`sixen-debug`	`So it uses our patch.mpq anyway`
`18:30.11`	`vjeux`	`the workaround is to put a blank xml file`
`18:30.18`	`vjeux`	`in the patch`
`18:30.24`	`vjeux`	`so it only loads our`
`18:30.47`	`sixen-debug`	`why would it load base(highest) and ours if we tell it to only run ours..?`
`18:31.19`	`sixen-debug`	`Just set LL to launch with our vers and its fixed.`
`18:31.19`	`vjeux`	`the workaround to that bug is to use a patch.mpq`
`18:31.51`	`sixen-debug`	`Right, which would screw up the official client, we don't want to have to mess with that.`
`18:32.07`	`vjeux`	`yeah`
`18:32.16`	`sixen-debug`	`:p.`
`18:32.16`	`vjeux`	`so we came up with the different version fix`
`18:32.34`	`sixen-debug`	`Oh, yeah, I gotcha.`
`18:32.35`	`vjeux`	`but it still requires a patch.mpq`
`18:32.39`	`vjeux`	`which sucks :(`
`18:32.50`	`sixen-debug`	`Otherwise, we could just use the map xml, correct?`
`18:32.53`	`vjeux`	`yep`
`18:32.57`	`sixen-debug`	`:/`
`18:33.01`	`vjeux`	`the different client is a workaround for a workaround :p`
`18:33.11`	`sixen-debug`	`Lol`
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`18:54.38`	`vjeux`	`hmm, can you read registry through a bat file? :p`
`18:54.55`	`Hunter_Killers`	`i think so`
`18:56.24`	`vjeux`	`I wish there were a real shell in windows`
`19:08.31`	`vjeux`	`all the tutorials are from windows nt4 :x`
`19:15.26`	`Fisker`	`powershell`
`19:15.27`	`Fisker`	`go`
`19:16.04`	`vjeux`	`well, an object oriented shell, not sure ... :p`
`19:16.39`	`vjeux`	`i just want var path = GetRegistry("HKEY_LOCAL...");`
`19:16.48`	`Fisker`	`powershell is oo as far as i know`
`19:16.55`	`Fisker`	`and yeah you can do shit like that as far as i know as well`
`19:18.07`	`vjeux`	`I guess there's no grep in dos :p`
`19:18.19`	`Repo`	`Knowledge base page update: http://www.sc2mapster.com/api-docs/game-files/xml/achievement-data-xml/ by ckknight`
`19:18.31`	`Fisker`	`nope`
`19:18.39`	`Fisker`	`not unless you attach your own version :o`
`19:18.53`	`vjeux`	`:p`
`19:19.07`	`vjeux`	`seriously! :(`
`19:20.21`	`vjeux`	`! REG.EXE VERSION 3.0`
`19:20.21`	`vjeux`	`HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Blizzard Entertainment\Starcraft II`
`19:20.21`	`vjeux`	`<PROTECTED>`
`19:20.25`	`vjeux`	`I manage to get that`
`19:20.38`	`vjeux`	`but I have no idea how to get the part I need`
`19:22.05`	`Repo`	`Knowledge base page update: http://www.sc2mapster.com/api-docs/game-files/xml/achievement-data-xml/ by ckknight`
`19:24.24`	`nicoli_s`	`vjeux: so im about to add in the ability to launch the game from MWE`
`19:24.44`	`vjeux`	`great`
`19:25.02`	`nicoli_s`	`going to add a basic menu option, and also have an option to generate a patch.mpq`
`19:25.29`	`nicoli_s`	`and it will auto generate blank xml files as needed, depending on if they are in the map`
`19:25.52`	`nicoli_s`	`so it will get the directory of the game, find the highest patch, copy it to the directory specified, inject the blank xmls`
`19:26.00`	`nicoli_s`	`then run lazylaunch with the correct paramters`
`19:26.17`	`vjeux`	`well, you could just make a blank patch.mpq`
`19:26.24`	`vjeux`	`i've regenerated one that makes 5ko`
`19:27.25`	`nicoli_s`	`well we dont want a blank one, then all the changes that blizz made wont be in there`
`19:28.12`	`vjeux`	`might take time to copy sc2.exe, all the files, insert the blank files everytime you want to launch the map`
`19:28.25`	`nicoli_s`	`i doubt it, the patches arent that huge`
`19:28.30`	`vjeux`	`for now`
`19:29.03`	`nicoli_s`	`well i think map editing needs to have the same data that the client has, and without the newest exe and mpqs, it wont be in sync`
`19:30.01`	`vjeux`	`yes`
`19:30.12`	`sixen-debug`	`What's going on?`
`19:31.05`	`vjeux`	`seriously batch language is so fucked up`
`19:31.22`	`nicoli_s`	`thats why im trying to integrate all that stuff into the editor`
`19:31.27`	`vjeux`	`yep`
`19:31.29`	`nicoli_s`	`the sooner we can use the editor for everything the better`
`19:31.45`	`vjeux`	`yeah`
`19:32.25`	`sixen-debug`	`We don't want to have to edit sc2 game files though.`
`19:32.34`	`sixen-debug`	`We don't want to break the official client.`
`19:33.10`	`nicoli_s`	`well yeah, that wont happen with using the custom version folder`
`19:34.38`	`nicoli_s`	`vjeux: any idea what might be causing the waves to happen all at once?`
`19:35.19`	`vjeux`	`yeah, I just forgot to put back the modified MeleeAI.galaxy that disabled the AI`
`19:35.26`	`nicoli_s`	`ahhh`
`19:35.27`	`vjeux`	`it has been fixed`
`19:35.42`	`vjeux`	`I wish there were a packing function that worked on maps`
`19:36.04`	`nicoli_s`	`yeah me too :(`
`19:36.20`	`vjeux`	`going to send a mail to ladik about that`
`19:36.40`	`Hunter_Killers`	`horray, some faggot looted my guild wars account`
`19:36.45`	`nicoli_s`	`:(`
`19:36.55`	`nicoli_s`	`i miss guild wars`
`19:37.21`	`Hunter_Killers`	`the best is i've never had a keylogger or gave out that information`
`19:38.37`	`nicoli_s`	`vjeux: can you put the meleeai.galaxy somewhere so i can try the td out?`
`19:39.03`	`vjeux`	`just download the latest version`
`19:40.23`	`nicoli_s`	`trying it out now`
`19:40.41`	`nicoli_s`	`once i get the map launching stuff done, gonna package it up into a single map if you dont mind`
`19:40.49`	`vjeux`	`not at all`
`19:41.02`	`nicoli_s`	`also gonna edit some stuff, like make the probe a hero, and maybe give it some upgrades or something`
`19:41.07`	`nicoli_s`	`and also make it untargetable`
`19:41.23`	`vjeux`	`nicoli_s do you have a link that exlains the map header`
`19:41.25`	`sixen-debug`	`And invincbale`
`19:43.53`	`nicoli_s`	`mapinfo you mean?`
`19:43.58`	`vjeux`	`yep`
`19:44.04`	`nicoli_s`	`yeah one sec`
`19:44.06`	`vjeux`	`thanks`
`19:44.09`	`nicoli_s`	`the editor already edits it btw`
`19:46.43`	`sixen-debug`	`Orly?`
`19:49.20`	`nicoli_s`	`yeah`
`19:49.33`	`nicoli_s`	`thats how i test stuff, always do unit editing on probes, and set the race to Prot`
`19:49.59`	`nicoli_s`	`http://code.google.com/p/vgce/source/browse/trunk/docs/Blizzard/Starcraft%20II/MapInfo.txt vjeux`
`19:50.03`	`vjeux`	`thanks`
`19:51.42`	`vjeux`	`mail sent`
`19:51.48`	`vjeux`	`hope he will fix it :p`
`19:52.39`	`nicoli_s`	`vjeux: xtek just beat the map :)`
`19:52.48`	`vjeux`	`what score?`
`19:52.58`	`vjeux`	`(life of the pylon at the end)`
`19:53.16`	`nicoli_s`	`dunno, didnt see it`
`19:53.58`	`vjeux`	`http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/mapster-td/images/2-best-score-134-200/`
`19:54.04`	`Fisker`	`yeah yeah`
`19:54.05`	`Fisker`	`hey hey`
`19:54.09`	`vjeux`	`beat me!`
`19:54.39`	`Repo`	`Knowledge base page update: http://www.sc2mapster.com/api-docs/game-files/xml/model-data-xml/ by ckknight`
`20:04.50`	`sixen-debug`	`Mmm, that looks vgood ckknight.`
`20:05.00`	`vjeux`	`he is not in the channel`
`20:05.02`	`sixen-debug`	`Did you make an <<xmlfunction>>?`
`20:05.04`	`sixen-debug`	`Oh`
`20:05.05`	`sixen-debug`	`:(`
`20:05.08`	`Shadowed2`	`<<xmldoc>>`
`20:05.16`	`Shadowed2`	`wth`
`20:05.20`	`Shadowed2`	`why am I Shadowed2?`
`20:05.29`	`sixen-debug`	`Sweet, thanks. What are the other tags for it?`
`20:05.43`	`vjeux`	`just edit the page :p`
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`20:05.54`	`sixen-debug`	`Oh, right. :p.`
`20:06.07`	`ckknight`	`sixen-debug: I didn't do the user one`
`20:06.11`	`ckknight`	`but I did the two others`
`20:06.15`	`ckknight`	`it's basically:`
`20:06.20`	`ckknight`	`<<xmldoc Name>>`
`20:06.22`	`ckknight`	`inside there,`
`20:06.28`	`ckknight`	`<<description>>Blah<</description>>`
`20:06.43`	`ckknight`	`<<attribute key="value">>Attribute desc<</attribute>>`
`20:06.47`	`vjeux`	`ckknight: is that possible to make sub childs?`
`20:06.48`	`ckknight`	`<<child ChildName>>`
`20:06.50`	`ckknight`	`yes`
`20:06.51`	`ckknight`	`<<subchild`
`20:06.53`	`vjeux`	`great`
`20:07.05`	`ckknight`	`I do it in the user one`
`20:08.08`	`sixen-debug`	`Sweet, thanks ckk.`
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`20:16.12`	`nicoli_s`	`vjeux: can the gamedata xml files be just like 0 bytes? or do they need at least the top level element`
`20:16.22`	`vjeux`	`didn't test`
`20:16.28`	`vjeux`	`sec`
`20:17.50`	`vjeux`	`yep works`
`20:18.13`	`nicoli_s`	`ok cool`
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`20:26.09`	`nicoli_s`	`ok now to test out my building of the xml document`
`20:26.13`	`nicoli_s`	`i mean patch mpq`
`20:46.49`	`nicoli_s`	`hmm, almost there, just having damn problems replacing the gamedata for some reason in the patch.sc2archive`
`20:51.53`	`nicoli_s`	`hey vjeux: what did you change in your patch.sc2archive?`
`21:00.25`	`vjeux`	`sorry`
`21:00.33`	`vjeux`	`just the 3 empty xml files`
`21:00.52`	`nicoli_s`	`which ones? unitdata, and what two others?`
`21:01.10`	`vjeux`	`Abil, Behavior and Unit`
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`21:05.12`	`nicoli_s`	`nice, works`
`21:05.23`	`vjeux`	`thanks :)`
`21:05.29`	`vjeux`	`did you finish it?`
`21:07.06`	`nicoli_s`	`not yet, just got the Base13000 folder building right`
`21:07.13`	`vjeux`	`ok`
`21:07.28`	`vjeux`	`is that possible to make links on windows?`
`21:07.32`	`nicoli_s`	`links?`
`21:07.35`	`vjeux`	`instead of copying the sc2.exe`
`21:07.39`	`vjeux`	`make a shortcut for it`
`21:07.40`	`nicoli_s`	`no`
`21:07.45`	`nicoli_s`	`well not that i know of`
`21:07.50`	`vjeux`	`ok`
`21:07.57`	`nicoli_s`	`it is pretty damn instant though`
`21:08.02`	`vjeux`	`great`
`21:08.11`	`vjeux`	`are you deleting it afterward?`
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`21:08.49`	`nicoli_s`	`not yet`
`21:08.55`	`vjeux`	`k`
`21:09.05`	`nicoli_s`	`not sure how to tell when an exe ends running yet that i call`
`21:12.45`	`nicoli_s`	`sweet success!`
`21:12.52`	`nicoli_s`	`just launched a map :)`
`21:12.53`	`vjeux`	`great!`
`21:13.18`	`nicoli_s`	`gonna commit it, and then package a new one up`
`21:14.52`	`Repo`	`10milkywayedit: 03sanktanglia * r13 Tools/SC2MapEditor/SC2MapEditor (7 files in 1 directory):`
`21:14.54`	`Repo`	`Added ability to run the map through the editor if your settings.txt is configured right. also can create patch.sc2archive needed for editing certain gamedata files. Hacks to get around blizzard bugs FTW!`
`21:15.49`	`sixen-debug`	`Nic, check the process list for it.`
`21:16.21`	`nicoli_s`	`well itd have to check it in a for loop, and that seems hacky`
`21:16.53`	`sixen-debug`	`Have it check when you exit mwe.`
`21:17.20`	`sixen-debug`	`Well, how's this gonna work?`
`21:17.27`	`vjeux`	`from all the sc2 forums i've listed, there's only one map project that is somewhat advanced: iggyhopper thing`
`21:17.28`	`vjeux`	`http://forums.starcraft.org/forumdisplay.php?f=69`
`21:17.30`	`nicoli_s`	`itll just delete it whenever it creates a new ones`
`21:17.30`	`sixen-debug`	`The players won't have mwe.`
`21:17.46`	`nicoli_s`	`theres nothing wrong with leaving it there`
`21:17.50`	`nicoli_s`	`it wont affect anything`
`21:18.08`	`nicoli_s`	`vjeux: that guy has been hanging around here lately`
`21:18.19`	`vjeux`	`yeah I know`
`21:18.33`	`vjeux`	`that's sad there is nothing more :(`
`21:18.54`	`vjeux`	`it'll explode when the galaxy editor will be there`
`21:19.00`	`vjeux`	`and we need to be the reference!`
`21:19.07`	`sixen-debug`	`Yes!`
`21:19.27`	`sixen-debug`	`Iggy needs to start putting mapster on his projects, ;)`
`21:29.02`	`nicoli_s`	`well we'll all jump on him about it when he returns`
`21:35.53`	`vjeux`	`sixen-debug i know what you can do`
`21:36.03`	`vjeux`	`play the td, record a video and put it on youtube :)`
`21:36.10`	`sixen-debug`	`Yar?`
`21:36.24`	`sixen-debug`	`=D`
`21:36.25`	`vjeux`	`i'm going to sleep cya tomorrow`
`21:36.33`	`Repo`	`10milkywayedit: 03sanktanglia * r14 Tools/SC2MapEditor/SC2MapEditor (2 files in 1 directory): tries to delete files in the existing custom version folder`
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`21:40.43`	`Duman`	`hmm`
`21:41.33`	`ckknight`	`hmm!`
`21:42.37`	`nicoli_s`	`committed! and added new file`
`21:51.38`	`Arrowmaster`	`why do i still not have sc2 beta`
`21:52.09`	`nicoli_s`	`because you didnt believe hard enough`
`21:54.15`	`ckknight`	`Arrowmaster: did you add yourself to the prospects list on the spreadsheet?`
`21:55.25`	`Arrowmaster`	`huh?`
`21:57.51`	`ckknight`	`add yourself to http://averageurl.com/sc2/`
`21:57.54`	`ckknight`	`the second sheet`
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`22:38.47`	`ckknight`	`btw, if anyone wants new map or asset categories or new forums (we only have General and Off-Topic now), just say so`
`22:44.17`	`Sixen`	`Well`
`22:44.23`	`Sixen`	`I'd like to start arranging forums personally.`
`22:44.38`	`Sixen`	`I don't think we need GD and OT atm. Just General will suffice.`
`22:44.51`	`Sixen`	`And then maybe... Galaxy Forum, XML Forum`
`22:45.24`	`Sixen`	`Anyone?`
`22:53.29`	`ckknight`	`possibly an AI forum`
`22:53.55`	`Sixen`	`Well, not just AI, Galaxy in general i'm thinking`
`22:53.59`	`Sixen`	`Math function isn't AI`
`22:54.00`	`Sixen`	`It's galaxy:p`
`22:54.00`	`ckknight`	`maybe a Map Ideas thing`
`22:54.19`	`Sixen`	`Project Brainstorming`
`22:54.31`	`ckknight`	`yea`
`22:54.33`	`ckknight`	`I like that`
`22:54.34`	`Sixen`	`General, Project Brainstorming, Galaxy Discussion`
`22:54.38`	`Sixen`	`How's that sound?`
`22:54.42`	`ckknight`	`sounds pretty good`
`22:54.47`	`Sixen`	`OK, i'll do that.`
`22:54.57`	`Sixen`	`Is there a mass-move func or nah?`
`22:55.04`	`ckknight`	`I think having Off-Topic would be good, though`
`22:55.30`	`Sixen`	`Well, i'm thinking we don't really need OT & General, do we?`
`22:55.38`	`ckknight`	`I'd say they're good`
`22:55.43`	`ckknight`	`cause OT can be non-SC2`
`22:55.47`	`Sixen`	`What's the difference though?`
`22:55.51`	`ckknight`	`whereas General has to be SC2`
`22:56.01`	`Sixen`	`Well, general SC2 would fall under Galaxy, no?`
`22:56.08`	`ckknight`	`I'd say no`
`22:56.49`	`ckknight`	`and no, we don't have a mass thread move thing`
`22:57.10`	`Sixen`	`Well, the only thing in the OT are hello/welcome threads`
`22:57.15`	`Sixen`	`which are also in General`
`22:57.36`	`Sixen`	`Basically everything in General can be sorted in Galaxy/OT`
`22:58.33`	`ckknight`	`maybe Galaxy discussion is the wrong name`
`22:58.45`	`ckknight`	`since maps are more than just Galaxy`
`22:58.48`	`ckknight`	`laying out the terrain and such`
`22:58.50`	`ckknight`	`shrugs`
`22:59.40`	`Sixen`	`So perhaps, Mapping Discussion?`
`23:00.11`	`Sixen`	`Where would like... Nic's "MPQ Problems" go though? I'd think it could fit in General or there.`
`23:00.14`	`ckknight`	`Map Development Discussion`
`23:00.27`	`Sixen`	`Technically, it's related to Mapping`
`23:00.29`	`ckknight`	`MPQ Problems would be General, probably`
`23:04.16`	`Sixen`	`Mmm, right. Can you look into something? I don't have create forum privileges, but i'm a supermod or whatever.`
`23:04.31`	`Sixen`	`Bryan never fixed it tyet.`
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`23:07.31`	`ckknight`	`k, lemme check`
`23:10.57`	`*** join/#sc2mapster Computerpunk (~Computerp@95.76.177.207)`
`23:12.23`	`ckknight`	`okay, you should be a manager of the SC2Mapster forum now`
`23:12.26`	`ckknight`	`Sixen, that is`
`23:15.51`	`Sixen`	`*looks8`
`23:16.31`	`Sixen`	`Still looks the same. I can edit, move, do everything except c reate.`
`23:16.39`	`Sixen`	`I don't see any button for it, maybe I can do it, it just doesn't show up?`
`23:17.19`	`ckknight`	`yea, I think so`
`23:17.27`	`ckknight`	`ah`
`23:17.27`	`ckknight`	`http://forums.sc2mapster.com/edit/`
`23:17.28`	`Sixen`	`Can I get a link to the create func`
`23:17.36`	`ckknight`	`there's multiple forms under there`
`23:17.38`	`Sixen`	`Yeah, I can see all that. I guess create should be a box in there somewhere? :/`
`23:17.41`	`ckknight`	`use the Create subforum there`
`23:17.42`	`Sixen`	`Yeah, I have...`
`23:17.52`	`Sixen`	`Edit, Reorder, Assign Roles`
`23:17.54`	`Sixen`	`No create`
`23:17.58`	`ckknight`	`hmm`
`23:18.00`	`ckknight`	`hang on`
`23:18.33`	`ckknight`	`refresh`
`23:19.05`	`Sixen`	`ah there we go`
`23:22.22`	`Sixen`	`oh whatever happened to going underground`
`23:22.26`	`Sixen`	`we have to figure out how to do that.`
`23:27.54`	`ckknight`	`?`
`23:27.58`	`ckknight`	`gonna head home`
`23:28.06`	`ckknight`	`cya in like 10 minutes`
`23:36.25`	`*** join/#sc2mapster Slamon (~boop_777@49-42-141.wireless.iaw.on.ca)`
`23:36.30`	`Slamon`	`Well hai`
`23:37.51`	`Slamon`	`..`
`23:37.54`	`Slamon`	`hai.`
`23:37.58`	`Sixen`	`ohai`
`23:38.05`	`Sixen`	`Could've used a webclient too : webchat.freenode.net`
`23:38.06`	`Sixen`	`:p`
`23:38.15`	`Slamon`	`facepalms`
`23:38.30`	`Slamon`	`Hm`
`23:38.42`	`Slamon`	`should i register with my usual online name, or my wc3 online name?`
`23:39.01`	`Slamon`	`hmmmmmm`
`23:39.23`	`Slamon`	`ill just use my usual online name`
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`23:39.26`	`*** mode/#sc2mapster [+o ckknight] by ChanServ`
`23:39.28`	`Shaki`	`:P`
`23:40.42`	`Shaki`	`Sixen`
`23:40.45`	`Shaki`	`i have a problem.`
`23:40.51`	`Shaki`	`Username is already taken.`
`23:41.05`	`Shaki`	`i doubt there is a shaki on your website.`
`23:41.32`	`Sixen`	`Hrm`
`23:41.44`	`Sixen`	`Do you still want to use Slamon?`
`23:41.51`	`Sixen`	`I can have ckknight rename the acct if it's old.`
`23:41.57`	`Shaki`	`well in starcraft`
`23:42.08`	`Shaki`	`im going to use shaki`
`23:42.14`	`Sixen`	`Ah OK`
`23:42.20`	`ckknight`	`back`
`23:42.23`	`Shaki`	`ill register with slamon first.`
`23:42.25`	`Shaki`	`just change the username`
`23:42.32`	`ckknight`	`howdy, Shaki`
`23:42.43`	`Shaki`	`.. BS name is not already in use`
`23:42.43`	`Shaki`	`lol`
`23:42.48`	`ckknight`	`yea, I saw`
`23:42.50`	`Shaki`	`no one has username slamon`
`23:42.53`	`ScytheBlade1`	`ckknight: know anyone who can nuke my screwed up curse IDs?`
`23:43.01`	`ckknight`	`I might be able to`
`23:43.09`	`ScytheBlade1`	`neat`
`23:43.10`	`Shaki`	`so`
`23:43.14`	`Shaki`	`who is the webmaster`
`23:43.20`	`ScytheBlade1`	`anything with Sbo or ScytheBlade1`
`23:43.36`	`Sixen`	`I am the webmaster ;p`
`23:43.43`	`Sixen`	`well.. I guess that's kind of difficult to explain`
`23:43.54`	`Sixen`	`I'm the Manager, ckk and kaelten are the developers.`
`23:44.10`	`Computerpunk`	`I'm a leecher.`
`23:44.11`	`Computerpunk`	`=D`
`23:44.13`	`Shaki`	`I've been a webmaster (made a site off my computer that worked) so i know what im talking about`
`23:44.14`	`ckknight`	`Sixen's title is technically community manager`
`23:44.17`	`Shaki`	`when i say`
`23:44.32`	`Shaki`	`something is up with the registration`
`23:44.33`	`ckknight`	`I developed the majority of SC2Mapster's code`
`23:44.42`	`Shaki`	`no one registered with Slamon`
`23:44.47`	`Sixen`	`Speaking of which... ckk, can you capitalize my name in the curse DB?`
`23:44.48`	`Computerpunk`	`It's like flexible code that is used on WoWAce and CurseForge.`
`23:44.48`	`Computerpunk`	`So yea.`
`23:44.50`	`Shaki`	`or shaki i dont think`
`23:44.55`	`Sixen`	`It works on curse.com, but mapster isn't updated.`
`23:45.03`	`ckknight`	`Sixen: I might be able to, dunno`
`23:45.07`	`Sixen`	`Mmmk.`
`23:45.13`	`Sixen`	`My curse acct is so b0rked.`
`23:45.14`	`ckknight`	`I can just change it, hang on`
`23:45.23`	`Sixen`	`On curse, none of my post history is associated to my acct.`
`23:45.35`	`Shaki`	`Curse. never used it`
`23:46.01`	`ckknight`	`k, Sixen`
`23:46.05`	`Shaki`	`i always used a different site`
`23:46.49`	`Sixen`	`Cool, thanks.`
`23:47.07`	`Shaki`	`So, why cant i register`
`23:47.10`	`Shaki`	`its being evil`
`23:47.17`	`Shaki`	`this makes me so angry, i need cookies.`
`23:47.18`	`Shaki`	`brb`
`23:47.18`	`Sixen`	`ckk, it reverted =/`
`23:47.23`	`ckknight`	`lol,yea`
`23:47.27`	`Sixen`	`Worked for a few seconds, my avatar changed.`
`23:47.32`	`Sixen`	`Then reverted =\|`
`23:48.07`	`ckknight`	`k, well, it won't change until it resyncs`
`23:48.11`	`ckknight`	`and I can't change it on the auth server`
`23:48.17`	`ckknight`	`since I don't have the right IP anymore`
`23:48.19`	`Sixen`	`=/`
`23:48.23`	`Shirik`	`coughs mediawiki`
`23:48.28`	`Sixen`	`srsly.`
`23:48.28`	`Sixen`	`:X`
`23:48.33`	`Shaki`	`back`
`23:48.34`	`Shaki`	`k`
`23:48.39`	`Shaki`	`anyoen know why it wont work`
`23:48.44`	`Shaki`	`or are you ignoring me.`
`23:48.45`	`Shaki`	`</3`
`23:48.52`	`ckknight`	`Shaki: lol wut`
`23:49.15`	`Shaki`	`i cant register`
`23:49.16`	`ckknight`	`Shirik: there's no use pushing it, it's not an option`
`23:49.20`	`ckknight`	`Shaki: what does it say?`
`23:49.21`	`Shaki`	`says my username is not`
`23:49.27`	`Shaki`	`says its bein used`
`23:49.35`	`Shaki`	`and i checked`
`23:49.36`	`Shaki`	`and its not.`
`23:49.37`	`Shaki`	`lol`
`23:49.41`	`Shirik`	`ckknight: Doesn't mean I can't advertise it randomly, much like I do Lua over python`
`23:49.48`	`ckknight`	`k`
`23:50.19`	`Shaki`	`as i said earlier.`
`23:50.21`	`Shaki`	`rawr.`
`23:50.26`	`Shirik`	`rawr.`
`23:50.33`	`Shirik`	`your name is too similar to mine`
`23:50.49`	`Shirik`	`same length (not fixed with)`
`23:50.53`	`Shirik`	`same first 2 letters`
`23:50.57`	`ckknight`	`Shaki: http://www.sc2mapster.com/profiles/Shaki/`
`23:51.02`	`ckknight`	`Shaki already exists`
`23:51.25`	`Shaki`	`leme try loggin in`
`23:51.37`	`Sixen`	`Is your e-mail SoulWar90@mail.ru?`
`23:51.45`	`Shaki`	`no way`
`23:51.45`	`Shaki`	`lol`
`23:51.52`	`Shaki`	`my email is boop_777@hotmail.com`
`23:51.57`	`Sixen`	`Then it's not yours :P`
`23:51.58`	`Shaki`	`how is it in use`
`23:52.11`	`Shaki`	`you said this site was JUST made`
`23:52.34`	`ckknight`	`we have an auth service`
`23:52.40`	`ckknight`	`with 3 million users`
`23:52.56`	`Shaki`	`You what?`
`23:52.59`	`Shaki`	`o wait a sec`
`23:53.08`	`Shaki`	`you are melded with other sites`
`23:53.14`	`Shaki`	`sh*t.`
`23:53.14`	`Shaki`	`lol`
`23:53.19`	`Shaki`	`cant use my username`
`23:53.43`	`Shaki`	`maybe if that user is mega inactive`
`23:53.47`	`Shaki`	`you can delete it?`
`23:55.09`	`ckknight`	`possibly.`
`23:55.27`	`ckknight`	`but I can't do that until Wednesday, when our CTO is back and can fix the auth server to not be so lame`
`23:55.54`	`Shaki`	`ok ill just register with a different user`
`23:55.58`	`Shaki`	`ShakiShingi`
`23:56.02`	`Shaki`	`lol`
`23:56.06`	`Shaki`	`dont judge it`
`23:56.37`	`Shaki`	`where'd ma cookiez go?`
`23:56.44`	`ckknight`	`om nom nom`
`23:56.55`	`ckknight`	`well, once we get it sorted out, I'll be able to rename you to what you want`
`23:57.19`	`nicoli_s`	`hey ckknight: im giving my key up to the community as well`
`23:57.25`	`ckknight`	`k, nicoli_s`
`23:57.31`	`ckknight`	`choose a prospect from the list`
`23:57.31`	`Sixen`	`still waiting to get mine`
`23:57.48`	`ckknight`	`and once you figure out who that is, mark the line as crossed-through or something`
`23:58.15`	`Sixen`	`Or maybe just add them to the bnet list?`
`23:58.19`	`Sixen`	`Have them fill in sc2 account`
`23:59.20`	`Shaki`	`your beta key?`
`23:59.24`	`Shaki`	`lol`
`23:59.44`	`Shaki`	`cuz if thats what you meant.....`
`23:59.57`	`Sixen`	`Yar :p`

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