| 00:03.36 | Jerub | Shirik: for me, i heard the beep of my router announcing that it was getting a firmware update |
| 00:03.49 | Jerub | (i hvae it automatically updaitng when i'll never be awake which i was this mroning) |
| 00:03.53 | Jerub | ... sigh |
| 00:03.59 | Shirik | automatic updates? |
| 00:04.00 | Shirik | ew |
| 00:26.37 | Jerub | Shirik: yeah, these things happen when you work for a company that makes routers. |
| 00:26.50 | Jerub | your home routers have to be used as alpha test boxes ;) |
| 00:26.52 | Shirik | ah |
| 00:26.59 | Shirik | I work for a company that makes unmanned aircraft |
| 00:27.04 | Shirik | they don't let us take them home :( |
| 00:27.18 | Jerub | Shirik: what if the software 'malfunctions' and the just 'fly' home. |
| 00:27.24 | Shirik | lol |
| 00:27.32 | ScytheBlade1 | considering the GPS stuck on those... |
| 00:27.53 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1, our GPS system is quite advanced |
| 00:28.11 | Shirik | I can't say much, but suffice to say we have accuracy to within inches |
| 00:28.19 | ScytheBlade1 | differential GPS is awesome |
| 00:28.57 | Shirik | we have to because we don't do a landing, we do a "capture" |
| 00:29.06 | Shirik | we fly into a wire and it grabs onto the wire, much like jets on a carrier |
| 00:30.31 | Jerub | Shirik: a coworker here used to work for a company that did autopilots for tractors. |
| 00:30.42 | Jerub | could plow a field with 2cm accuracy on the rows |
| 00:32.09 | Shirik | that's awesomme |
| 00:34.31 | Jerub | the conditions they work in can be very very dusty (dry soil + plow + wind) so the drivers have near zero visibility |
| 00:35.05 | Jerub | i had some good games yesterday/today |
| 00:35.21 | Jerub | getting better at starting off, but i don't produce units fast enough yet. |
| 00:35.33 | Jerub | like, i assult with 8 marines and get met by 10 reapers. |
| 00:36.48 | ScytheBlade1 | Yes, that would be.. problematic |
| 00:40.16 | Jerub | sigh |
| 00:40.43 | Jerub | the very poorly constructed building i work in (tiny coverted cottage) is just about to get 1.5tonne of computers put in a spare room. |
| 00:44.10 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1 |
| 00:44.13 | Shirik | finish building your computer |
| 00:45.25 | ScytheBlade1 | just got all the hardware together |
| 00:45.26 | ScytheBlade1 | err, crap |
| 00:45.30 | ScytheBlade1 | Less the optical drive |
| 00:45.32 | ScytheBlade1 | That's a problem |
| 00:47.38 | Sixen | rawr. |
| 00:49.36 | Thunder_Child | not really |
| 00:54.35 | Sixen | Gonna grab dinner, brb. |
| 00:57.36 | Jerub | ScytheBlade1: don't need an optical drive. |
| 00:57.46 | ScytheBlade1 | points at winXP |
| 00:57.52 | Jerub | http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/magazine/dd535816.aspx |
| 00:57.55 | Jerub | you don't want winxp |
| 00:57.59 | Jerub | you want windows 7 |
| 00:58.00 | Jerub | seriously. |
| 00:58.01 | ScytheBlade1 | I didn't say I did |
| 00:58.06 | ScytheBlade1 | I don't have an option here |
| 00:58.10 | Jerub | why's that? |
| 00:58.19 | ScytheBlade1 | Business, not home use |
| 01:17.09 | Shirik | Ah yes, I love how slowly businesses adapt new technology |
| 01:17.31 | Jerub | sigh |
| 01:17.34 | Shirik | when I left last Summer my company was just phasing out VS 2003 |
| 01:17.37 | ScytheBlade1 | I work for a company that has just over 40k WinXP desktops |
| 01:17.43 | Shirik | (and yes, we were on XP) |
| 01:17.57 | Jerub | i work for a company that has 3 windows xp laptops. |
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| 01:18.10 | Jerub | and uh... a few windows servers somewhere. |
| 01:18.13 | Jerub | on vms |
| 01:18.20 | Shirik | I'm hoping when I go up there this summer, they'll be on Win 7 since they have to give me a new computer anyway |
| 01:18.25 | Shirik | but I know it will be XP |
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| 02:59.03 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: link to said replay? |
| 02:59.10 | Shirik | about time |
| 03:08.15 | Jerub | i got to see ckknight stuff up a command center rush |
| 03:08.38 | Jerub | the hilarious bit was when he had to land his command center after taking off because he forgot to finish getting 150 crystal |
| 03:09.06 | Sixen | lmao |
| 03:09.52 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 03:20.26 | ckknight | Jerub: yea, I was doing it wrong |
| 03:23.58 | Jerub | ckknight: the biggest thing you did wrong was not play against a noob |
| 03:24.05 | Jerub | his moving his zealots stuffed you |
| 03:24.14 | ckknight | also, my coworker told him that I was doing that kind of rush |
| 03:24.17 | Jerub | and his positioning of his pylons left you with nowhere actually good to land. |
| 03:25.05 | Jerub | that wasn't the other spectator was it? |
| 03:36.09 | Sixen | cam |
| 03:36.11 | Sixen | we should 2's |
| 03:36.46 | Shirik | cam? |
| 03:37.01 | Shirik | oh |
| 03:37.08 | Shirik | don't do it |
| 03:37.17 | Shirik | he has a copper 2v2 team |
| 03:37.22 | Sixen | -- |
| 03:37.25 | Shirik | lol |
| 03:37.31 | ScytheBlade1 | at the rate ckk and I are going |
| 03:37.38 | ScytheBlade1 | we'll be copper too |
| 03:37.38 | ckknight | :P |
| 03:37.41 | ckknight | hehe |
| 03:37.47 | ckknight | doing 25-man naxx |
| 03:38.03 | Shirik | what are rested points? |
| 03:38.30 | Sixen | pff |
| 03:38.41 | Sixen | rested points work like WoW xp |
| 03:38.51 | Sixen | If you don't play with your partner for a few days, you get rested xp |
| 03:38.52 | Shirik | double points? |
| 03:38.58 | Sixen | Once you win one game you get double until they run out |
| 03:38.59 | Sixen | yeah |
| 03:41.42 | Shirik | I should finish up my preliminary 1v1 games |
| 03:48.19 | Sixen | Me too. |
| 03:48.24 | Sixen | I think I still have 10 games left. |
| 03:51.27 | Shirik | I have 5 |
| 03:57.39 | Jerub | i finally got my 2v2 done |
| 03:57.42 | Jerub | did my 1v1 first |
| 03:57.59 | Jerub | i'm on copper 2v2 |
| 03:58.02 | Jerub | er bronze 2v2 |
| 03:58.04 | Jerub | copper 1v1 |
| 04:01.38 | Shirik | there's a bronze? |
| 04:02.42 | Jerub | yes. |
| 04:02.46 | Jerub | it's below silver |
| 04:02.49 | Jerub | above copper |
| 04:03.05 | Shirik | really? |
| 04:03.09 | Jerub | yes. |
| 04:03.11 | Shirik | I thought it went copper, silver |
| 04:03.13 | Shirik | cool |
| 04:08.28 | Sixen | anyone wanna play |
| 04:13.42 | Shirik | mebeh |
| 04:13.48 | Shirik | but you don't like me :( |
| 04:14.01 | Shirik | @ Sixen |
| 04:14.37 | Sixen | <3 |
| 04:14.39 | Sixen | Let's play. |
| 04:14.44 | Sixen | I'll take you under my wing. |
| 04:14.52 | Jerub | and crush you? |
| 04:14.58 | Sixen | lawl |
| 04:15.06 | Shirik | hang on I have to deal with this guy that thinks he's a "leet hacker" in #wowuidev first |
| 04:15.12 | Sixen | lol |
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| 06:27.11 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1 |
| 06:27.15 | Shirik | I don't care what you say |
| 06:27.18 | Shirik | I just did a 2v1 and rocked house |
| 06:27.22 | Shirik | still lost, but I rocked house |
| 06:31.28 | nicoli_s | woot! my map editor has real 3d previews now |
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| 06:35.21 | Jerub | Shirik: you were on the '2' side, right? |
| 06:40.38 | ckknight | nicoli_s: sweet. |
| 06:40.40 | ckknight | hey vjeux |
| 06:40.43 | vjeux | heya |
| 06:41.40 | vjeux | 0.001 is a valid fixed but 0.0001 isn't fyi |
| 06:41.56 | vjeux | trying to figure out what the base2 is |
| 06:43.00 | ckknight | well, is 0.0009 valid? |
| 06:43.01 | ckknight | :P |
| 06:43.45 | vjeux | basically, what I do is fixed f = 0.0001, print(FixedToInt(f * 1000)) |
| 06:43.51 | vjeux | and I check if it's 0 or not |
| 06:44.13 | vjeux | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:44.24 | vjeux | they are newbies they didn't add shift operations for fixed ... |
| 06:46.13 | ckknight | hmm |
| 06:52.19 | vjeux | fixed f = 1; |
| 06:52.22 | nicoli_s | should have the code up tom that will allow you to toggle 3d previews on/off for units :) |
| 06:52.23 | vjeux | f /= 4; |
| 06:52.30 | vjeux | -> f = 1 ... |
| 06:52.43 | vjeux | they didn't implement /= for fixed numbers |
| 06:52.48 | nicoli_s | lol |
| 06:53.33 | nicoli_s | well im off to bed, later fellas |
| 06:53.38 | vjeux | night |
| 06:53.59 | ckknight | vjeux: does f = f / 4 work? |
| 06:54.08 | vjeux | yes |
| 06:58.10 | vjeux | (f / 4096) * 4096 is the last value to work |
| 06:58.29 | vjeux | and f = 262,144, i = 262,144, f == i |
| 06:58.33 | vjeux | is the last one too |
| 06:58.53 | vjeux | so basically we have 12 bits in the decimal and 19 for the rest |
| 06:58.57 | vjeux | 12 + 19 + 1 = 32 |
| 06:58.58 | vjeux | yay |
| 06:59.41 | vjeux | going to make a FixedToString |
| 07:02.18 | Shirik | Jerub: Actually no |
| 07:03.01 | Sixen | sweet nic |
| 07:14.33 | Shirik | anyone for a 2v2? (in house) |
| 07:15.02 | Shirik | Jerub? |
| 07:15.31 | Jerub | Shirik: i'm at work still. leaving shortly. |
| 07:28.46 | ckknight | vjeux: is 1/2 a fixed or an int? |
| 07:29.07 | vjeux | let me test |
| 07:29.37 | vjeux | btw, i managed to extract all the data from the number but I'm struggling to display it |
| 07:30.04 | vjeux | I don't remember how to compute the decimal part of a fixed-point |
| 07:30.20 | ckknight | ah |
| 07:30.25 | ckknight | yea, it's kinda complex |
| 07:30.55 | vjeux | .0101 = 0 * 1/2 + 1 * 1/4 + 0 * 1/8 + 1 * 1/16 |
| 07:31.30 | vjeux | but I don't know how to calculature 1/2, 1/4 and do the addition :p |
| 07:32.06 | ckknight | keep multiplying by 10 |
| 07:32.07 | ckknight | :P |
| 07:32.12 | ckknight | until it equals 0 |
| 07:32.34 | ckknight | multiply by 10, get the integer and fractional parts |
| 07:32.34 | vjeux | the point is, I don't want to use base 10, it'll loose precision |
| 07:33.11 | ckknight | hmm |
| 07:33.13 | ckknight | it shouldn't |
| 07:33.37 | vjeux | if you store 0.3, it's like 0.0101010101010...010101... |
| 07:34.21 | vjeux | if you mult by 10 it will not behave correctly with the last few digits i thin |
| 07:35.20 | Repo | New knowledge base page: http://kb.sc2mapster.com/sc2-api/types/fixed/ by ckknight |
| 07:35.28 | Repo | Knowledge base page update: http://kb.sc2mapster.com/sc2-api/types/fixed/ by ckknight |
| 07:35.48 | ckknight | vjeux: nah, it doesn't work that way, since you won't have infinite bits to deal with |
| 07:36.38 | vjeux | well, the last bits are going to be affected by the * 10 no? |
| 07:36.59 | ckknight | 0.3 would be stored as 0000 0000 0000 0000 0001 0010 0010 1000 |
| 07:37.07 | ckknight | or: |
| 07:37.21 | ckknight | 0.1001000101 |
| 07:37.28 | ckknight | that many bits and no more to deal with |
| 07:39.14 | ckknight | so multiply by 10 (or 0b1010, you have 0b101.1010110010 |
| 07:39.42 | ckknight | wait |
| 07:39.51 | ckknight | it's 0.01001000101 |
| 07:39.52 | ckknight | that's right |
| 07:40.01 | ckknight | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:40.07 | ckknight | integral part is 0b10, or 2 |
| 07:40.14 | ckknight | so you're currently at ".2" |
| 07:41.07 | vjeux | testing |
| 07:41.36 | vjeux | 12.48 gives 12.1247998046875 |
| 07:41.55 | ckknight | show your code. |
| 07:42.06 | ckknight | 0.3 should give "0.2998046875" |
| 07:42.11 | ckknight | in the end |
| 07:42.30 | ckknight | or "0.300048828125" |
| 07:42.36 | ckknight | depending on how their rounding works |
| 07:44.09 | ckknight | vjeux: gonna paste? |
| 07:44.17 | vjeux | sec i'm making changes |
| 07:44.27 | vjeux | string FixedToString(fixed f) { |
| 07:44.27 | vjeux | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:44.28 | vjeux | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:44.28 | vjeux | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:44.28 | vjeux | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:44.28 | vjeux | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:44.28 | vjeux | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:44.29 | vjeux | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:44.29 | vjeux | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:44.30 | vjeux | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:44.30 | vjeux | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:44.31 | vjeux | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:44.31 | vjeux | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:44.32 | vjeux | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:45.01 | ckknight | bah |
| 07:45.03 | ckknight | don't spam IRC |
| 07:45.05 | vjeux | 0.300048828125 |
| 07:45.06 | ckknight | use paste.sc2mapster.com |
| 07:45.07 | vjeux | sorry |
| 07:45.08 | ckknight | that's why it's there |
| 07:45.24 | ckknight | you didn't even paste the whole thing |
| 07:45.50 | vjeux | http://paste.sc2mapster.com/1795/ |
| 07:46.11 | ckknight | and did you fix the code so it worked or does it not work currently? |
| 07:46.25 | vjeux | it works correctly |
| 07:46.32 | vjeux | 0.3 -> 0.300048828125 |
| 07:46.35 | vjeux | as you expected |
| 07:46.39 | ckknight | okay |
| 07:46.41 | ckknight | alright |
| 07:46.55 | vjeux | going to add rounding |
| 07:47.21 | vjeux | FixedToString(f, 2) to show only 2 numbers after the comma |
| 07:47.50 | ckknight | one thing you could do is show to the nearest 0.00025 |
| 07:48.03 | ckknight | shrugs |
| 07:48.06 | vjeux | well ... :p |
| 07:48.55 | ckknight | so once you're at just a fraction, multiply by 4000 |
| 07:49.05 | ckknight | actually, 5000'd probably be better |
| 07:49.09 | ckknight | since you'd get more accurate results |
| 07:49.13 | ckknight | as long as it's >4096 |
| 07:49.32 | vjeux | 10000 ? |
| 07:49.41 | ckknight | that'd work |
| 07:49.46 | ckknight | I'd make it a const, tbh |
| 07:50.11 | ckknight | you'd properly get "0.3" if you do it right |
| 07:52.10 | ckknight | yea, take the integer value, get the remainder, multiply that by 10000, take the integer value of that, and then you can use repeated divmods to display your results. |
| 07:52.27 | vjeux | yup |
| 07:52.37 | vjeux | but there's going to be some 0 padding :( |
| 07:53.08 | ckknight | of course |
| 07:53.18 | vjeux | they don't even have log ... |
| 07:58.45 | Repo | Knowledge base page update: http://kb.sc2mapster.com/sc2-api/functions/random-int/ by ckknight |
| 07:59.37 | vjeux | 0.300048828125 |
| 07:59.45 | vjeux | give the exact same result with 10000 |
| 07:59.51 | vjeux | and ... I'm glad it does :p |
| 08:00.22 | ckknight | if so, you're doing it wrong |
| 08:00.34 | ckknight | paste your code |
| 08:00.50 | vjeux | http://paste.sc2mapster.com/1796/ |
| 08:01.24 | vjeux | btw your RandomChance does not compile, {} are required around if |
| 08:01.34 | ckknight | really? lame. |
| 08:01.39 | vjeux | yeah |
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| 08:02.21 | vjeux | also they are not doing a double pass on compilation. you have to define your functions before (in the code) using them |
| 08:02.24 | vjeux | that's lame |
| 08:04.08 | vjeux | I mean, if you mult by 10 or by 10 000 it would be great to get the same result |
| 08:04.49 | ckknight | you completely misunderstood what I was saying before :P |
| 08:04.59 | ckknight | I'm fixing the code |
| 08:05.02 | vjeux | ok |
| 08:05.11 | ckknight | to be more what I meant for it to do |
| 08:08.02 | vjeux | f = 0.3 // 0.300... |
| 08:08.11 | vjeux | f /= 2 // 614.5 |
| 08:08.16 | vjeux | wtf is the /= doing :x |
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| 08:11.23 | Repo | Knowledge base page update: http://kb.sc2mapster.com/sc2-api/functions/random-int/ by ckknight |
| 08:14.46 | ckknight | is there a way to get string length? |
| 08:14.55 | vjeux | don't think so |
| 08:15.03 | vjeux | neither to get individual characters |
| 08:15.05 | ckknight | wtf |
| 08:15.07 | vjeux | yeah |
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| 08:17.54 | ckknight | does % work as the modulus operator? |
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| 08:18.11 | vjeux | bsod :( |
| 08:18.27 | vjeux | we could guess the string with the comparison < and = |
| 08:18.33 | vjeux | using a dichotomy for each character |
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| 08:19.06 | ckknight | does % work as the modulus operator? |
| 08:19.14 | vjeux | yep but no on fixed |
| 08:19.21 | ckknight | k |
| 08:19.22 | vjeux | not |
| 08:19.44 | ckknight | http://paste.sc2mapster.com/1797/ |
| 08:20.03 | ckknight | FixedToString(0.3) == "0.3" |
| 08:20.13 | vjeux | great |
| 08:20.13 | ckknight | FixedToString(0.333333) == "0.3333" |
| 08:20.19 | ckknight | as far as my calculations should surmise |
| 08:20.24 | ckknight | I haven't tested, as I'm not in Windows |
| 08:20.39 | vjeux | let me quick test, i'm going to school right after |
| 08:20.45 | ckknight | k |
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| 08:21.49 | vjeux | you could remove the g /= 10 out of the if |
| 08:22.32 | ckknight | I'd require another boolean variable |
| 08:22.35 | ckknight | but yea |
| 08:23.00 | vjeux | oh I see you are doing something on g in the condition |
| 08:23.01 | vjeux | nevermind |
| 08:23.07 | vjeux | 0 0.03000 |
| 08:23.07 | vjeux | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:23.33 | vjeux | basically you are rounding at the nearest 1/10000 ? |
| 08:25.10 | ckknight | yes |
| 08:25.14 | ckknight | that was the idea |
| 08:25.28 | ckknight | hmm |
| 08:25.59 | ckknight | well, having a standard rounding system would work |
| 08:26.11 | ckknight | but really only up to 4 digits past the point is necessary |
| 08:26.20 | ckknight | after that is near-meaningless cruft |
| 08:28.36 | vjeux | well, we could let the user choose what precision he wants |
| 08:29.47 | vjeux | going to work on a char* like struture tonight |
| 08:29.59 | vjeux | filling it using dichotomy |
| 08:30.08 | vjeux | it's a shame we don't have access to individual characters |
| 08:31.55 | vjeux | i'm off |
| 08:31.56 | vjeux | cya |
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| 14:05.57 | Xtek | heyo |
| 14:10.51 | dusthawk | heyo |
| 14:11.03 | Repo | Knowledge base page update: http://kb.sc2mapster.com/sc2-api/types/fixed/ by vjeux |
| 14:11.33 | Repo | Knowledge base page update: http://kb.sc2mapster.com/sc2-api/types/fixed/ by vjeux |
| 14:19.20 | Repo | New knowledge base page: http://kb.sc2mapster.com/sc2-api/functions/max-f/ by vjeux |
| 14:21.28 | Repo | Knowledge base page update: http://kb.sc2mapster.com/sc2-api/functions/list/ by vjeux |
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| 15:01.19 | dusthawk | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oseRVPx-9X0 |
| 15:01.56 | dusthawk | something about psi-storm ^ |
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| 15:02.25 | vjeux | heya |
| 15:07.46 | ckknight | howdy, vjeux, Chrono^ |
| 15:07.59 | Chrono^ | G'day! |
| 15:08.04 | vjeux | fine :) |
| 15:08.37 | ckknight | Chrono^: add yourself to http://averageurl.com/sc2/ if you'd like |
| 15:08.42 | vjeux | in 2 days about 10 conferences about all the different jobs in computer science |
| 15:08.57 | Chrono^ | I'm such I horrible player so It is barely worth it! |
| 15:09.17 | Chrono^ | I need to keep my identity... secret! |
| 15:09.21 | vjeux | lol |
| 15:09.54 | Xtek | I'm not very good, don't worry. |
| 15:10.27 | ckknight | Chrono^: yea, don't worry about it. there are some skilled players here, but there's a lot of unskilled players |
| 15:10.30 | ckknight | the key is practice |
| 15:10.33 | ckknight | and learning the hotkeys |
| 15:10.47 | vjeux | or ... wait for the custom maps:p |
| 15:10.57 | Chrono^ | that is plan B vjeux |
| 15:11.33 | Repo | Knowledge base page update: http://kb.sc2mapster.com/sc2-api/types/fixed/ by vjeux |
| 15:11.37 | vjeux | this is my plan A :) |
| 15:12.07 | vjeux | 524287 is the greatest fixed number. |
| 15:12.07 | vjeux | -524287 is the least fixed number. |
| 15:12.09 | vjeux | i changed that |
| 15:12.28 | vjeux | but we should be able to add decimals to that number? (ckknight) |
| 15:13.00 | ckknight | the highest number should be (2^31 - 1) / 4096 |
| 15:13.13 | ckknight | 524287.999755859375 |
| 15:13.47 | Kaelten | how goes? |
| 15:13.55 | ckknight | hey Kaelten |
| 15:15.18 | Kaelten | it really looks like Galaxy is going to be odd |
| 15:15.29 | Repo | Knowledge base page update: http://kb.sc2mapster.com/sc2-api/types/fixed/ by vjeux |
| 15:15.33 | ckknight | Kaelten: how so? |
| 15:15.46 | Kaelten | just the gotchas |
| 15:15.56 | Kaelten | stuff like /= working but being bugged |
| 15:16.00 | vjeux | well, they better give us a good map editor |
| 15:16.32 | Kaelten | if not we'll have to loudly protest inbetween games. |
| 15:16.53 | vjeux | well, most of the people won't even see galaxy scripting |
| 15:16.58 | ckknight | Kaelten: that's just a bug, I'm sure it's just that it converts to int and doesn't convert back to fixed |
| 15:17.49 | vjeux | i'm going to make a big post will all the bugs / suggestions on the official forum later |
| 15:17.57 | ckknight | good idea |
| 15:18.15 | Kaelten | might be worth us maintaining a list of the gotchas too |
| 15:18.34 | vjeux | yep |
| 15:18.39 | ckknight | probably a good idea |
| 15:18.54 | ckknight | and I'd have a former gotchas section on that page and what patch they're fixed/changed in |
| 15:19.06 | Kaelten | makes sense |
| 15:19.27 | ckknight | if they fix the *= thing, it'd be good to say **Fixed in Patch 6** |
| 15:19.33 | vjeux | yep |
| 15:19.40 | Kaelten | ugh |
| 15:19.45 | ckknight | hmm? |
| 15:19.59 | Kaelten | I hate this, I have crashes related to some corrupted files. |
| 15:20.05 | Kaelten | but when I get those files sent to me, I don't crash |
| 15:20.13 | vjeux | string s = "fooo"; char c = s[1]; |
| 15:20.13 | vjeux | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:20.14 | vjeux | :( |
| 15:20.29 | vjeux | I can't find a way to get individual characters of a string |
| 15:20.37 | Kaelten | is s[1] still a string maybe? |
| 15:20.49 | ckknight | yea, s[1] might still be a string |
| 15:21.00 | ckknight | would be interesting |
| 15:21.01 | vjeux | not working either |
| 15:21.03 | ckknight | seeing as chars exist |
| 15:21.18 | ckknight | maybe int c = s[1]; |
| 15:21.18 | vjeux | they didn't overload the [] for string imo |
| 15:21.19 | Kaelten | strings aren't objects are they |
| 15:21.21 | ckknight | or byte c = s[1]; |
| 15:21.23 | vjeux | it's only working for array |
| 15:21.30 | ckknight | Kaelten: they're primitives |
| 15:21.47 | ckknight | whatever that means |
| 15:23.13 | Kaelten | no CharAtIndex method I take it |
| 15:23.49 | vjeux | if they don't add it later, it's possible to guess what the characters of the string are using < and == |
| 15:23.55 | vjeux | but that's not really an optimal solution |
| 15:24.43 | Kaelten | or even something similar to StringWord |
| 15:25.16 | ckknight | Kaelten: they don't have a way to get string length yet. |
| 15:25.35 | Kaelten | fun |
| 15:25.53 | vjeux | from what I understand, they only added methods that are using in the AI |
| 15:26.04 | vjeux | they've got a MaxF but no MaxI ... |
| 15:27.26 | ckknight | we can easily write our own, though |
| 15:27.53 | ckknight | int MaxI(int alpha, int bravo) { if (alpha > bravo) { return alpha; } else { return bravo; } } |
| 15:28.00 | vjeux | yeah :p |
| 15:28.26 | vjeux | anyway, there's a **lot** more functions that are coming |
| 15:28.33 | vjeux | clearly we can't do anything with the current state |
| 15:31.33 | nicoli_s | woot! lego universe beta :) |
| 15:31.46 | vjeux | do we have key? |
| 15:32.12 | nicoli_s | dunno, i had alpha so i got beta invite |
| 15:32.33 | vjeux | ok |
| 15:32.40 | vjeux | is the game good? |
| 15:33.30 | nicoli_s | dunno, cant play till tom |
| 15:41.57 | vjeux | http://paste.sc2mapster.com/1798/ |
| 15:42.17 | vjeux | they do have string manipulation inside the exe |
| 15:42.22 | vjeux | it really looks like javascript |
| 15:42.28 | ckknight | what is this, then? |
| 15:42.29 | ckknight | :P |
| 15:42.40 | ckknight | vjeux: could be actionscript |
| 15:42.53 | vjeux | yeah, since they are using flash |
| 15:43.59 | vjeux | charAt is not usable in galaxy |
| 15:45.01 | nicoli_s | yeah thats actionscript vjeux, for the interface |
| 15:49.02 | vjeux | "a" < "A" is true ... |
| 15:50.02 | vjeux | "A" < "a" is also true |
| 15:51.29 | nicoli_s | lol |
| 15:51.31 | nicoli_s | wtf |
| 15:51.40 | vjeux | they didn't implement < and > |
| 15:51.49 | vjeux | but the equal is working as expected |
| 15:59.59 | Repo | New knowledge base page: http://kb.sc2mapster.com/sc2-api/types/string/ by vjeux |
| 16:00.34 | Repo | Knowledge base page update: http://kb.sc2mapster.com/sc2-api/types/string/ by vjeux |
| 16:00.58 | ckknight | vjeux: does += work for strings? |
| 16:01.07 | vjeux | good question |
| 16:01.48 | vjeux | yes it does |
| 16:03.03 | Repo | Knowledge base page update: http://kb.sc2mapster.com/sc2-api/types/string/ by vjeux |
| 16:06.57 | Repo | Knowledge base page update: http://kb.sc2mapster.com/sc2-api/types/string/ by vjeux |
| 16:09.42 | Kaelten | hrm they could be wanting to round out the APIs before launching the editor |
| 16:09.47 | Kaelten | that might be one of the slowdowns |
| 16:10.06 | nicoli_s | they did say there would be a content patch before the editor |
| 16:10.24 | vjeux | imo the editor is far from done |
| 16:10.31 | vjeux | and they can't just show it off |
| 16:10.39 | Kaelten | well it's probably not done to a point where they want outsiders to use it |
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| 16:10.44 | vjeux | s/done/polished/ |
| 16:10.47 | Kaelten | ya |
| 16:10.50 | Kaelten | it's obviously usable |
| 16:25.45 | Repo | Knowledge base page update: http://kb.sc2mapster.com/sc2-api/functions/trigger-debug-output/ by vjeux |
| 16:29.58 | Repo | Knowledge base page update: http://kb.sc2mapster.com/sc2-api/functions/trigger-debug-output/ by vjeux |
| 16:30.39 | Repo | Knowledge base page update: http://kb.sc2mapster.com/sc2-api/functions/list/ by vjeux |
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| 16:38.45 | Sixen | rawr |
| 16:38.53 | vjeux | * ChanServ sets mode: +o vjeux |
| 16:39.43 | Sixen | it did? |
| 16:39.52 | Repo | New knowledge base page: http://kb.sc2mapster.com/sc2-api/functions/trigger-add-event-map-init/ by vjeux |
| 16:40.10 | vjeux | nop :p |
| 16:40.25 | Sixen | I'm kidding, <3. |
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| 16:55.57 | Duman | hmm |
| 16:56.01 | vjeux | hey |
| 16:56.01 | Duman | 'sup sixen |
| 16:56.23 | Sixen | Hai2u Duman |
| 16:56.33 | Sixen | how's it goin? |
| 16:56.39 | Duman | busy :) |
| 16:56.50 | Sixen | ;p |
| 16:56.52 | Duman | when are you done with school? :-P |
| 16:56.52 | Duman | ;) |
| 16:56.58 | Sixen | =( |
| 16:57.05 | nicoli_s | Sixen: got actual 3d unit previews in milky way |
| 16:57.28 | Sixen | still got a while, duman. I might just end it early. no fun. |
| 16:57.30 | Sixen | ;) |
| 16:57.34 | Sixen | nic: Very nice :D |
| 16:57.46 | Duman | well |
| 16:57.53 | Sixen | Spring break next week, if ckk doesn't do any galaxy code stuff, I might start that then |
| 16:58.06 | Duman | you learn a lot more than just "school stuff" in college :) |
| 16:58.08 | Duman | at least, i did |
| 16:58.11 | ckknight | hmm, Sixen? |
| 16:58.13 | nicoli_s | Sixen: he already started, it can display, edit, and save galaxy files |
| 16:58.19 | Duman | not sure I'd ever trade it for anything :) |
| 16:58.38 | nicoli_s | man college for me was a bust except for meeting my gf |
| 16:58.45 | Sixen | :| |
| 16:58.55 | Sixen | didn't know that. you didn't update the readme |
| 16:58.56 | Sixen | :p |
| 17:01.29 | nicoli_s | well i did i just didnt commit it :P |
| 17:04.31 | Sixen | commit it pl0x? :)( |
| 17:04.32 | Sixen | :(* |
| 17:04.44 | nicoli_s | just did |
| 17:05.00 | vjeux | wtb youtube video |
| 17:05.32 | nicoli_s | of the editor? |
| 17:06.07 | vjeux | yep |
| 17:06.48 | Sixen | I still haven't found a C# plugin for netbeans =[ |
| 17:07.04 | vjeux | not on windows? |
| 17:07.09 | Sixen | yeah |
| 17:07.14 | Sixen | I can just use viz studio, I know ;p |
| 17:07.30 | vjeux | well C# is microsoft langage |
| 17:07.49 | Sixen | Mmm |
| 17:08.01 | Sixen | The only thing that sucks about all this work on the editor, nic.. |
| 17:08.07 | nicoli_s | Sixen: theres no reason for a c# plugin for netbeans, VS >>>>>>>>> netbeans |
| 17:08.09 | Sixen | Is that it can only be ran using the cracking launcher |
| 17:08.17 | nicoli_s | meh, i dont think that sucks |
| 17:08.28 | nicoli_s | eventually when the game comes out youll be able to regularly launch them |
| 17:08.31 | Sixen | Sure it does. Not many legit beta testers will want to use it. |
| 17:08.34 | nicoli_s | or when they release the editor |
| 17:08.39 | Sixen | which means custom maps won't be supported until they release the editor |
| 17:08.46 | Sixen | which makes MWE useless |
| 17:08.47 | Sixen | :X |
| 17:08.52 | nicoli_s | no it doenst at all |
| 17:09.02 | nicoli_s | you act like the only people who want to make sc2 maps already have keys |
| 17:09.14 | nicoli_s | i think you are underestimating the size of the modding/hacking community for sc2 |
| 17:09.20 | Sixen | hm? |
| 17:09.31 | nicoli_s | i mean theres a reason there have been a million+ map downloads on nibbits |
| 17:09.38 | nicoli_s | and its not from legit users |
| 17:09.41 | Sixen | yeah |
| 17:09.44 | Sixen | wish we could get maps up. |
| 17:09.48 | Sixen | nibbits is going to get huge |
| 17:09.54 | nicoli_s | well that i dunno about |
| 17:09.55 | Sixen | jjust because they "hosted those beta maps" |
| 17:10.04 | Sixen | people will think, "Oh, maybe they have more." |
| 17:10.11 | nicoli_s | once blizz hosts maps, there wont be any reason to host maps |
| 17:10.24 | nicoli_s | besides, if blizz was smart, theyd shut his ass down for hosting their maps |
| 17:10.33 | nicoli_s | and for putting his name on those hacked launchers |
| 17:10.42 | Sixen | Right, but I doubt it'll happen |
| 17:10.45 | Sixen | darkblizz.org is still up |
| 17:10.45 | vjeux | well, that makes huge advertising |
| 17:10.48 | Sixen | Right |
| 17:10.50 | Sixen | HUGE |
| 17:11.03 | Sixen | So now everyone that wants to play UMS, will think, "Oh, nibbits is the place to be." |
| 17:11.04 | vjeux | and involve people to make a community |
| 17:11.11 | Sixen | Mapster got started way too late. |
| 17:11.39 | vjeux | imo blizz is going to shut them down as soon as the game will be launched |
| 17:11.42 | Sixen | And it still needs forum/wiki improvements to be anywhere near useful -_- |
| 17:11.49 | vjeux | as they did for gotwow in wow |
| 17:11.55 | Sixen | did they? |
| 17:11.59 | vjeux | yup |
| 17:11.59 | nicoli_s | well i disagree with that sixen, its already useful thanks to vjeux |
| 17:12.08 | nicoli_s | just like they did with bnetd |
| 17:12.19 | nicoli_s | in wc3 days |
| 17:12.27 | Sixen | Truth. |
| 17:12.51 | Sixen | But like I was saying to Bryan, who wants to learn a new wiki format when they can go to galaxywiki.com for the same info |
| 17:12.59 | Sixen | who wants to learn a new forum format when they can go somewhere else |
| 17:13.07 | nicoli_s | because we have more/better info than galaxywiki |
| 17:13.11 | vjeux | the wiki format is really not a problem |
| 17:13.30 | vjeux | what we must have is content |
| 17:13.34 | vjeux | and then people will come |
| 17:13.41 | nicoli_s | exactly |
| 17:13.41 | Sixen | if you build it, they will come |
| 17:14.03 | nicoli_s | i mean you cant be upset about our site about developing content not being popular when most people out there cant/dont know how to develop the content |
| 17:14.30 | vjeux | and developping map atm is not possible at all |
| 17:14.44 | vjeux | I've been thinking about doing a simple Tower Defense |
| 17:14.48 | Sixen | Right, but getting to that information is ridiculously stupid. |
| 17:15.10 | vjeux | it's like impossible (or really hacky) to do nearly anything |
| 17:15.11 | Sixen | We have to go through all this curseforge knowledge base and find sc2 api |
| 17:15.17 | Sixen | which is just randomly tossed in there. |
| 17:15.22 | vjeux | agreed on that |
| 17:15.28 | vjeux | but that's quite nothing to change |
| 17:15.54 | Sixen | Everything not dealing with sc2api should be hidden |
| 17:16.57 | nicoli_s | well yeah, thats for ckknight to fix |
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| 17:19.22 | Sixen | As far as I know, he's not on the project anymore. |
| 17:19.30 | vjeux | anyway, all the trigger functions are documented, and the basic types functions are nearly done |
| 17:19.45 | nicoli_s | well hes on other stuff sixen, but something simple like that im sure we can get him to do |
| 17:20.08 | Sixen | well, whatever. hopefully it can be fixed soon. |
| 17:20.17 | vjeux | yeah, I've given him two bug lists that he fixed in the day |
| 17:20.20 | Sixen | Come probably friday i'll start documenting stuff |
| 17:20.37 | Sixen | Or saturday. Going to a wedding friday. |
| 17:20.47 | Repo | Knowledge base page update: http://kb.sc2mapster.com/sc2-api/functions/trigger-create/ by vjeux |
| 17:21.00 | vjeux | great |
| 17:21.20 | Sixen | Mmm, so you won't be lonely anymre. |
| 17:21.35 | vjeux | you'll be the second map maker of the history |
| 17:21.38 | vjeux | think about that! |
| 17:21.43 | Sixen | ^_^ |
| 17:21.50 | Sixen | And nobody will ever know |
| 17:21.50 | Repo | Knowledge base page update: http://kb.sc2mapster.com/sc2-api/functions/trigger-add-event-map-init/ by vjeux |
| 17:21.51 | Sixen | :( |
| 17:22.04 | vjeux | i will |
| 17:22.06 | Sixen | <3 |
| 17:22.18 | Sixen | Speaking of which, I wanted to do exactly what you did, ha. A debug map. |
| 17:22.32 | Sixen | Though, i'm going to try to incorporate EventChatMessage() so you can use commands in-game. |
| 17:22.42 | Sixen | Wonder what's possible @ runtime. |
| 17:22.49 | Repo | Knowledge base page update: http://kb.sc2mapster.com/sc2-api/functions/trigger-add-event-chat-message/ by vjeux |
| 17:23.05 | vjeux | there's no Eval |
| 17:23.14 | vjeux | so pretty much everything you can do is to hardcode things :( |
| 17:23.35 | vjeux | or write a galaxy parser :p |
| 17:23.39 | vjeux | in galaxy |
| 17:24.00 | vjeux | well, not possible in fact |
| 17:24.09 | vjeux | since there 's not string functions at all |
| 17:24.15 | nicoli_s | thats so crazy |
| 17:24.29 | Sixen | there isn't....? |
| 17:24.35 | Sixen | That's dumb |
| 17:24.41 | vjeux | StringWord(string) - n'th word of the string |
| 17:24.41 | vjeux | StringEqual(string a, string b, bool caseSensitive) - Compare two strings depending of the case sensitivness |
| 17:24.49 | vjeux | and string concatenation |
| 17:24.53 | Sixen | hm |
| 17:25.28 | Sixen | "When the player 1 says "waves 1" it will call DebugMelee(1)" |
| 17:25.32 | Sixen | I don't know about that? |
| 17:25.33 | Repo | Knowledge base page update: http://kb.sc2mapster.com/sc2-api/functions/wait/ by vjeux |
| 17:25.40 | Sixen | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:25.46 | Sixen | Shouldn't it just be "waves" |
| 17:25.54 | vjeux | when you put false at the end |
| 17:26.14 | vjeux | it means when the message contains "waves" as a substring |
| 17:26.19 | vjeux | so "waves 1" matches |
| 17:26.38 | vjeux | then you do StringWord("waves 1", 2) that gets the 2nd word : 1 |
| 17:26.50 | vjeux | StringToInt("1") -> 1 |
| 17:26.52 | vjeux | you win |
| 17:26.58 | Sixen | How do you know the rest of the chat message will be the player num though? |
| 17:27.13 | vjeux | you assume so :p |
| 17:27.22 | Sixen | eh |
| 17:27.29 | vjeux | anyway, got to go to my last class |
| 17:27.31 | vjeux | cya later |
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| 17:27.32 | Sixen | later. |
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| 18:28.44 | nicoli_s | alright so who wants to test the map editor :) |
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| 19:13.00 | vjeux | re |
| 19:16.01 | nicoli_s | wb |
| 19:23.38 | vjeux | http://galaxywiki.com/wiki/Special:RecentChanges |
| 19:23.50 | vjeux | Heinermann is quite active |
| 19:24.23 | vjeux | even if the content per function is low, he documented many of them |
| 19:25.42 | nicoli_s | yeah he is pretty damn active :S |
| 19:28.54 | vjeux | we should get him to join our forces! :p |
| 19:29.34 | nicoli_s | well he owns galaxywiki |
| 19:29.40 | vjeux | i know :) |
| 19:30.00 | vjeux | anyway the good thing atm is that he is the only one working on it |
| 19:31.21 | vjeux | I think i'm not going to compete on the same field |
| 19:31.31 | vjeux | he is working heavily on the AI |
| 19:31.36 | vjeux | i'm going to do what's not AI |
| 19:31.41 | nicoli_s | yeah well yours is far more detailed too |
| 19:31.47 | nicoli_s | + examples |
| 19:31.55 | vjeux | yup |
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| 19:54.15 | vjeux | Could not find "F:\StarCraft II Beta\Mods\Liberty.SC2Mod\Base.SC2Data"! |
| 19:54.22 | vjeux | erg you hardcoded the sc2path ! |
| 19:56.08 | nicoli_s | check settings.txt |
| 19:56.16 | nicoli_s | next rev will get it from registry though |
| 19:59.02 | vjeux | how do you get the models to show up? |
| 20:00.50 | vjeux | this looks really promising |
| 20:00.52 | vjeux | good job |
| 20:02.24 | nicoli_s | thx |
| 20:02.34 | ckknight | so I lost to a guy in 1v1 |
| 20:02.39 | ckknight | and then played two 2v2s with him |
| 20:02.41 | ckknight | pretty cool guy |
| 20:02.45 | vjeux | :) |
| 20:02.59 | vjeux | haven't done a real game yet, have to buy a mouse first :p |
| 20:03.05 | ckknight | wth, vjeux |
| 20:03.05 | ckknight | :P |
| 20:03.18 | vjeux | I'm waiting for the custom maps |
| 20:03.49 | nicoli_s | the models are in a custom format we use for the model viewers on the DB sites, and the m3test app can generate them, and i just embed a html file that loads the model viewer |
| 20:04.09 | nicoli_s | right now it only supports the unit models as those are the ones my converter supports the most |
| 20:05.08 | vjeux | ok |
| 20:05.09 | nicoli_s | vjeux: whats cool about the map editor as it currently stands is we can have a treeview node, where its sub nodes are all linked to different gamedata files' nodes and even attributes |
| 20:05.44 | nicoli_s | so for editing, it can edit pretty much anything in the game data atm |
| 20:05.56 | nicoli_s | of course deleting/creation/cloning is going to be more difficult, but still |
| 20:06.13 | vjeux | ckknight the textarea in sc2mapster doesn't show the scrollbar |
| 20:06.19 | vjeux | is that possible to fix it? it's really annoying |
| 20:06.24 | ckknight | it should autogrow :( |
| 20:06.26 | ckknight | goddammit |
| 20:06.36 | ckknight | I guess I'll turn that autogrow thing off for now |
| 20:06.37 | vjeux | it doesn't when you land to a page |
| 20:06.39 | ckknight | let it be natural |
| 20:07.28 | vjeux | nicoli_s yeah just saw that, it collects data from various sources |
| 20:07.34 | vjeux | the challenge will be to edit them i guess |
| 20:08.27 | nicoli_s | we'll just need to come up with some sort of generic system for doing wizards for creating new ones i think |
| 20:09.12 | nicoli_s | as for editing its fine just displaying certain fields, but different types of units have very different sub nodes in the actual data, so wed need to seperate out the types, so people arent having to fill in bunches of needless data fields when all they want is to create a new unit |
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| 20:12.29 | ckknight | web-based map editing |
| 20:12.31 | ckknight | that's what we need |
| 20:12.39 | vjeux | how'd you test it? |
| 20:12.40 | ckknight | ...actually that'd be pretty sweet if done right |
| 20:13.02 | ckknight | be able to download the s2ma at any given time |
| 20:13.28 | vjeux | well, that's not a really good process |
| 20:13.37 | vjeux | you edit, you have to download the map |
| 20:13.41 | vjeux | launch the game with the map |
| 20:14.06 | vjeux | how to display the map? |
| 20:14.10 | vjeux | a 2dmap? |
| 20:14.16 | vjeux | flash? but it will lag as hell |
| 20:14.24 | vjeux | webgl? many months of coding |
| 20:14.55 | nicoli_s | silverlight :P |
| 20:15.04 | vjeux | so no one can see it :p |
| 20:15.17 | nicoli_s | why do you say that? millions of people use silverlight |
| 20:15.30 | nicoli_s | and if we used silverlight, we could reuse a shit ton of code |
| 20:15.55 | nicoli_s | but still, web based map editing would take a little more work than im willing to put in atm :) |
| 20:21.58 | ckknight | I just think it'd be cool because then multiple people could edit at the same time |
| 20:21.59 | ckknight | :P |
| 20:22.49 | vjeux | based on git :p |
| 20:25.05 | Repo | New knowledge base page: http://kb.sc2mapster.com/sc2-api/functions/unit-is-alive/ by vjeux |
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| 20:25.40 | Repo | Knowledge base page update: http://kb.sc2mapster.com/sc2-api/functions/unit-is-alive/ by vjeux |
| 20:25.49 | Repo | Knowledge base page update: http://kb.sc2mapster.com/sc2-api/functions/unit-is-alive/ by vjeux |
| 20:25.49 | vjeux | (sorry for spamming) |
| 20:26.59 | nicoli_s | you are not prepared! |
| 20:27.02 | nicoli_s | i mean forgiven! |
| 20:29.46 | ckknight | vjeux: don't apologize for that |
| 20:34.56 | vjeux | oh ckknight, is that possible to set a page in a folder that would be displayed by default instead of the folder list |
| 20:35.26 | ckknight | no, but you can make a page with the name of the folder |
| 20:35.35 | vjeux | because when you click in "Functions" in the breadcrumb, you want to get to the page List |
| 20:35.36 | ckknight | then it'd act as the inde |
| 20:35.38 | ckknight | index* |
| 20:35.47 | vjeux | and you really don't care about the custom list |
| 20:35.53 | ckknight | you could rename SC2 API / Functions / List to SC2 API / Functions |
| 20:36.02 | vjeux | ok thanks |
| 20:36.46 | Repo | Knowledge base page update: http://kb.sc2mapster.com/sc2-api/functions/functions/ by vjeux |
| 20:36.54 | vjeux | http://kb.sc2mapster.com/sc2-api/functions/ |
| 20:36.57 | vjeux | it still shows the list |
| 20:37.19 | vjeux | mevermind |
| 20:37.31 | Repo | Knowledge base page update: http://kb.sc2mapster.com/sc2-api/functions/ by vjeux |
| 20:37.42 | vjeux | that's perfect thanks |
| 20:38.05 | Repo | Knowledge base page update: http://kb.sc2mapster.com/sc2-api/types/ by vjeux |
| 20:40.39 | vjeux | could you replace Knowledge base to API Documentation, and directly link it to the SC2 API folder? |
| 20:41.15 | ckknight | no, though I have thought about renaming it to just "Wiki" |
| 20:41.40 | vjeux | well, we need a direct link to the api |
| 20:42.29 | ckknight | yea |
| 20:42.32 | ckknight | hmm |
| 20:42.37 | ckknight | I have an idea |
| 20:42.49 | ckknight | we have /jobs/, which just links to the Careers @ Curse thing |
| 20:42.54 | ckknight | I could add /api-docs/ |
| 20:43.01 | ckknight | so www.sc2mapster.com/api-docs/ |
| 20:43.09 | vjeux | yeah |
| 20:43.10 | ckknight | would be the thing |
| 20:43.11 | ckknight | or something |
| 20:43.25 | vjeux | http://kb.sc2mapster.com/sc2-api/ |
| 20:43.29 | vjeux | anyway this is good too |
| 20:43.40 | vjeux | but we need to make it visible from main page |
| 20:44.01 | vjeux | maybe on the right the "About SC2Mapster" |
| 20:44.04 | vjeux | make the description smaller |
| 20:44.14 | vjeux | and insert a box with multiple links to the documentation |
| 20:44.17 | vjeux | as wowwiki does |
| 20:44.20 | ckknight | yea, that's definitely doable |
| 20:44.35 | vjeux | http://www.wowwiki.com/Portal:Interface_customization |
| 20:44.47 | vjeux | somethink like the WoWAPI Documentation "box" on the left |
| 20:46.49 | vjeux | Per-project wiki (opt-in). |
| 20:46.50 | vjeux | Per-project forum (opt-in). |
| 20:46.50 | vjeux | Per-project ticketing system (opt-in). This is mostly for very serious projects. |
| 20:46.59 | vjeux | -> Per-project wiki, forum, ticketing system |
| 20:47.37 | vjeux | you can remove the blabla about Alpha/Beta TOS |
| 20:48.06 | vjeux | remove the is currently under construction |
| 20:48.17 | vjeux | and it's going to be great :) |
| 20:57.13 | Repo | Knowledge base page update: http://kb.sc2mapster.com/sc2-api/functions/aiset-stock/ by vjeux |
| 21:02.44 | vjeux | is that possible to name [[SC2 API / Types / Unit Type Constants]] as Unit Type Constants by default? |
| 21:04.30 | ckknight | ...what do you mean? |
| 21:04.43 | vjeux | the text is "SC2 API / Types / Building Type Constants" |
| 21:04.48 | ckknight | oh, no, you'll still need to do [[SC2 API / Types / Unit Type Constants|Unit Type Constants]] |
| 21:04.54 | vjeux | ok :( |
| 21:05.02 | ckknight | just the way it is |
| 21:05.07 | ckknight | can't change that without altering the lib |
| 21:05.10 | ckknight | which I don't want to do |
| 21:05.13 | Repo | New knowledge base page: http://kb.sc2mapster.com/sc2-api/types/unit-type-constants/ by vjeux |
| 21:05.14 | vjeux | ok |
| 21:05.44 | Repo | Knowledge base page update: http://kb.sc2mapster.com/sc2-api/types/unit-type-constants/ by vjeux |
| 21:07.57 | Repo | Knowledge base page update: http://kb.sc2mapster.com/sc2-api/types/unit-type-constants/ by vjeux |
| 21:11.31 | Thunder_Child | because ckknight is lazy |
| 21:11.47 | nicoli_s | oooh, low shot from Thunder_Child |
| 21:11.48 | nicoli_s | fight! |
| 21:11.58 | ckknight | Thunder_Child: wth |
| 21:12.07 | Repo | New knowledge base page: http://kb.sc2mapster.com/sc2-api/types/research-type-constants/ by vjeux |
| 21:12.10 | Thunder_Child | what? all coders are lazy |
| 21:12.15 | Thunder_Child | it's a proven fact |
| 21:14.44 | Repo | Knowledge base page update: http://kb.sc2mapster.com/sc2-api/functions/aiset-stock/ by vjeux |
| 21:15.13 | Repo | Knowledge base page update: http://kb.sc2mapster.com/sc2-api/functions/aiset-stock/ by vjeux |
| 21:15.51 | Repo | Knowledge base page update: http://kb.sc2mapster.com/sc2-api/types/unit-type-constants/ by vjeux |
| 21:16.13 | vjeux | is there an analytic on sc2mapster? |
| 21:19.28 | Repo | New knowledge base page: http://kb.sc2mapster.com/sc2-api/types/building-type-constants/ by vjeux |
| 21:19.48 | Repo | Knowledge base page update: http://kb.sc2mapster.com/sc2-api/types/building-type-constants/ by vjeux |
| 21:23.13 | ckknight | vjeux: site analytics? |
| 21:23.22 | ckknight | yea, there's like 5 of em, I think |
| 21:23.22 | ckknight | :P |
| 21:23.25 | vjeux | xD |
| 21:23.40 | vjeux | let me see if i got access |
| 21:25.15 | vjeux | nop i don't |
| 21:25.23 | vjeux | anyway you add vjeuxx@gmail.com to one of them? |
| 21:25.45 | ckknight | um |
| 21:25.48 | ckknight | talk to Kaelten |
| 21:25.52 | vjeux | ok thanks |
| 21:26.49 | Repo | Knowledge base page update: http://kb.sc2mapster.com/sc2-api/types/ by vjeux |
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| 21:31.37 | Computerpunk | Wut up? |
| 21:31.37 | Computerpunk | ;D |
| 21:31.42 | ckknight | howdy, Computerpunk |
| 21:32.05 | Computerpunk | Joined this channel you referred me to, lol. |
| 21:32.13 | vjeux | xD |
| 21:32.19 | Computerpunk | Now, just gonna wait for a Beta key, no need for one right now, exam period. |
| 21:32.37 | vjeux | btw ckknight another batch of improvement list is coming |
| 21:32.51 | ckknight | ooh |
| 21:32.54 | Computerpunk | :O |
| 21:33.14 | Computerpunk | At least this time it's not JASS. |
| 21:33.16 | Computerpunk | I hate that. |
| 21:33.25 | vjeux | well, galaxy is worse :p |
| 21:35.04 | Computerpunk | Why worse? |
| 21:35.26 | Computerpunk | At least it won't be when the official map maker thing comes out. |
| 21:35.42 | nicoli_s | no, itll still suck |
| 21:35.49 | nicoli_s | the lang itself is missing so much shit |
| 21:35.49 | Computerpunk | No maps yet. |
| 21:35.49 | Computerpunk | :< |
| 21:35.55 | nicoli_s | not true Computerpunk |
| 21:36.02 | Computerpunk | I dun see any. |
| 21:36.04 | vjeux | there's a hello world map! |
| 21:36.04 | Computerpunk | :< |
| 21:36.12 | Computerpunk | Lol. >_> |
| 21:36.32 | vjeux | http://forums.sc2mapster.com/general/general-chat/199-how-to-load-a-map/#p2 |
| 21:36.56 | ckknight | galaxy as-is, is missing a bunch of needed functions |
| 21:37.02 | Computerpunk | What editor is used? |
| 21:37.10 | ckknight | Computerpunk: to do what? |
| 21:37.10 | vjeux | the problem is that they only implemented functions that were required for AI |
| 21:37.10 | nicoli_s | Computerpunk:we are writing out own |
| 21:37.19 | nicoli_s | you can also edit it manually with a hex editor + mpq editor |
| 21:37.20 | Computerpunk | Oh. |
| 21:37.22 | Computerpunk | IDE fully? |
| 21:37.34 | Computerpunk | :D |
| 21:37.41 | nicoli_s | its still very much a wip |
| 21:37.55 | nicoli_s | it can edit galaxy files, edit some game data, edit map and player settings |
| 21:38.27 | Computerpunk | Disassembly used to do this? Or pure MPQ research? |
| 21:38.33 | nicoli_s | just research |
| 21:38.39 | nicoli_s | almost all the files are xml + some binary files |
| 21:39.21 | nicoli_s | maps are just mpqs |
| 21:39.40 | Computerpunk | Maximum map size if any? |
| 21:39.53 | vjeux | unlimited! |
| 21:39.57 | Computerpunk | I'm currently thinking of all the limits imposed by Wc3. |
| 21:39.57 | nicoli_s | dunno if theyve said yet |
| 21:39.58 | vjeux | (just a guess ... :P) |
| 21:40.38 | Computerpunk | As long as you can have flexible code, not limited by button pressing in triggers, sure. |
| 21:40.40 | ckknight | actually, no, vjeux |
| 21:40.43 | ckknight | there's a limit |
| 21:40.44 | Computerpunk | I'm in. |
| 21:40.46 | ckknight | I think it's 256x256 |
| 21:40.50 | vjeux | ok |
| 21:40.50 | Computerpunk | Not map size. |
| 21:40.52 | Computerpunk | As in cell size. |
| 21:41.04 | ckknight | not sure |
| 21:41.04 | Computerpunk | I mean. |
| 21:41.08 | Computerpunk | Memory size. |
| 21:41.10 | Computerpunk | xxxxkb. |
| 21:41.41 | nicoli_s | they havent said |
| 21:43.07 | Computerpunk | Okay. |
| 21:43.17 | Computerpunk | Model imports and so on, implemented yet? |
| 21:44.02 | vjeux | yes you can insert model into the mpq |
| 21:44.05 | vjeux | as you could in wc3 |
| 21:44.18 | vjeux | now, how it's going to be handled by the editor, that's another question |
| 21:44.24 | nicoli_s | yeah, pretty much any game file can be overwritten in the map |
| 21:44.29 | Computerpunk | I see. |
| 21:44.43 | Computerpunk | WAIT. |
| 21:44.51 | Computerpunk | You can even change ingame constants through the map data? |
| 21:44.59 | Computerpunk | I mean, game speed and so on? |
| 21:45.08 | nicoli_s | yeah |
| 21:45.42 | nicoli_s | even making new races is easy as shit |
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| 21:54.57 | Computerpunk | Oh god. |
| 21:54.58 | Computerpunk | I'm so in. |
| 21:55.42 | nicoli_s | lol, you get an acct? |
| 21:57.17 | Repo | Knowledge base page update: http://wiki.sc2mapster.com/sc2-api/functions/ by vjeux |
| 21:58.04 | Repo | Knowledge base page update: http://wiki.sc2mapster.com/sc2-api/functions/ by vjeux |
| 22:01.10 | Computerpunk | Triggers. |
| 22:01.12 | Computerpunk | Oh, NO. |
| 22:01.35 | vjeux | basically a trigger is just a callback |
| 22:02.01 | vjeux | I wonder why they didn't use a real scripting language that handle them by default |
| 22:02.57 | Computerpunk | Why ask me? |
| 22:03.14 | Computerpunk | Callbacks are pro. But when they're like semi-automatized, they're ftw. |
| 22:05.22 | vjeux | here is my plan for the documentation |
| 22:05.31 | vjeux | do everything up to the AI |
| 22:06.15 | vjeux | Unit, Group, Marker, Order, Player, Point |
| 22:07.03 | nicoli_s | nice |
| 22:07.15 | vjeux | this is already quite huge |
| 22:07.23 | vjeux | but will be helpful for the map editor |
| 22:07.32 | vjeux | and quite easy to document |
| 22:07.38 | Computerpunk | Will the editor be opensource? |
| 22:07.38 | Computerpunk | :D |
| 22:07.39 | vjeux | at least, possible to test |
| 22:08.46 | nicoli_s | Computerpunk:not sure yet |
| 22:09.21 | Computerpunk | Okay. |
| 22:09.24 | Computerpunk | Just asking. |
| 22:09.27 | Computerpunk | I'm not very fond of opensource. |
| 22:12.37 | Repo | Knowledge base page update: http://wiki.sc2mapster.com/sc2-api/functions/ by vjeux |
| 22:15.09 | nicoli_s | Computerpunk:ive never really done an app like this to release publiclly, and i dont have much position either way on open source |
| 22:18.23 | nicoli_s | though i have been burned before by people taking code i wrote and then profiting off it, so that def makes me lean away from open souece |
| 22:18.39 | nicoli_s | but i mean right now im letting whoever wants to get a copy of the source so im not TOO worried |
| 22:18.51 | nicoli_s | but now that ckknight has added code, its not just my decision |
| 22:19.16 | ckknight | no hippie licenses |
| 22:19.41 | ckknight | imo, map editor should be free as in beer, not free as in speech |
| 22:20.56 | vjeux | going to sleep |
| 22:20.59 | ckknight | k |
| 22:21.09 | nicoli_s | later man |
| 22:21.11 | ckknight | wait, vjeux |
| 22:21.15 | vjeux | I give a hug to whoever document the functon AbsI before tommorow! |
| 22:21.16 | vjeux | yes? |
| 22:21.24 | ckknight | deploying |
| 22:24.08 | vjeux | alright going |
| 22:24.14 | vjeux | Take the challenge! |
| 22:24.26 | nicoli_s | Absi = absolute value of int? |
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