| 00:03.42 | Sixen | Seriously. |
| 00:03.43 | Sixen | Newbs. |
| 00:08.27 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1 |
| 00:08.34 | Shirik | tem has to go soon, would you like to replace him? |
| 00:08.47 | Shirik | s/soon/now/ |
| 00:09.00 | Shirik | s/now/soon/ |
| 00:09.15 | ScytheBlade1 | bah just started a movie :P |
| 00:09.28 | Shirik | please T_T |
| 00:10.10 | ScytheBlade1 | only if they add themselves to the spreadsheet! |
| 00:10.13 | Sixen | yea |
| 00:10.14 | Sixen | nubs |
| 00:35.51 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1 |
| 00:36.10 | Shirik | and Sixen |
| 00:36.13 | Shirik | we need 2 more |
| 00:36.14 | Shirik | interested? |
| 00:36.19 | ScytheBlade1 | You see my request? |
| 00:36.25 | ScytheBlade1 | hmmm |
| 00:36.27 | ScytheBlade1 | actually |
| 00:36.31 | ScytheBlade1 | Sixen + me vs whomever |
| 00:36.32 | ScytheBlade1 | =] |
| 00:36.35 | Shirik | oh screw that |
| 00:36.37 | Shirik | that's OP |
| 00:37.00 | Shirik | you guys are platinum, I'm sub-copper |
| 00:37.11 | Sixen | lol |
| 00:37.22 | Shirik | however I would be interested in what you have to say to my latest replay |
| 00:37.24 | Shirik | later |
| 00:37.30 | ScytheBlade1 | Sixen + me vs |
| 00:37.31 | Sixen | heh |
| 00:37.44 | Shirik | come on :( |
| 00:37.54 | ScytheBlade1 | Sixen: sound good? =] |
| 00:37.55 | Shirik | don't you at least want a challenge? |
| 00:38.00 | Shirik | I just beat es |
| 00:38.01 | ScytheBlade1 | Who else is playing? |
| 00:38.04 | Shirik | es |
| 00:38.10 | ScytheBlade1 | never played with him |
| 00:38.16 | Shirik | he's about my level |
| 00:39.02 | ScytheBlade1 | Then you should play more against each other imo |
| 00:39.06 | Shirik | :/ |
| 00:39.06 | ScytheBlade1 | Also upload that reaply |
| 00:39.08 | ScytheBlade1 | *replay |
| 00:39.11 | Shirik | only if you play |
| 00:39.13 | ScytheBlade1 | You learn nothing with a teammate |
| 00:39.17 | ScytheBlade1 | Well, not true |
| 00:39.19 | ScytheBlade1 | But you learn more solo |
| 00:39.21 | Shirik | learning not important |
| 00:39.23 | Shirik | it's sunday, time for fun |
| 00:40.09 | Shirik | no? :( |
| 00:40.18 | ScytheBlade1 | play more 1v1 imo |
| 00:40.21 | ScytheBlade1 | and upload your replay |
| 00:40.27 | Shirik | I refuse to upload it |
| 00:41.07 | Shirik | cogwheel: you want in? |
| 00:41.12 | Shirik | since ScytheBlade1 is a whimp? |
| 00:42.04 | ScytheBlade1 | upload! |
| 00:42.10 | Shirik | nope I don't upload to whimps |
| 00:42.45 | ScytheBlade1 | I won with turtling. |
| 00:43.08 | ScytheBlade1 | I've also chain nuked you. |
| 00:43.44 | Shirik | this does not justify your lack of playing now |
| 00:44.07 | Sixen | gonna grab some dinner. Brb. |
| 00:48.34 | Shirik | meh |
| 00:48.38 | Shirik | you wouldn't be impressed ScytheBlade1 |
| 00:48.49 | Shirik | I let him go 15 minutes before making an assault (15 game minutes that is) |
| 00:49.04 | Shirik | however my tactics were perfect |
| 00:49.06 | Shirik | imo |
| 00:49.45 | ScytheBlade1 | Most all of the games that ckknight and I played were <15m |
| 00:49.50 | ScytheBlade1 | average of 12m I think |
| 00:49.58 | Shirik | that's boring |
| 00:50.05 | Shirik | also your 12m is my 30m |
| 00:50.06 | Shirik | ok |
| 00:50.07 | ScytheBlade1 | not really |
| 00:51.19 | Shirik | ok fine 1v1 me |
| 00:51.31 | ScytheBlade1 | meh, sure |
| 00:51.34 | ScytheBlade1 | slow part in the movie anyway |
| 00:51.35 | Shirik | lol |
| 00:51.41 | Shirik | oh so I'm just a nuisance? |
| 00:51.42 | ScytheBlade1 | rebooting |
| 00:51.43 | Shirik | is that what you're saying? |
| 00:52.14 | ScytheBlade1 | nah |
| 00:52.34 | ScytheBlade1 | but at least you might learn something! |
| 00:52.38 | ScytheBlade1 | also, upload |
| 00:53.29 | Shirik | I doubt you'll be impressed |
| 00:53.40 | Shirik | in b4 "take way too long wtf" |
| 00:54.09 | ScytheBlade1 | I am in |
| 00:54.21 | ckknight | wait |
| 00:54.24 | ckknight | I need to observe |
| 00:54.27 | ckknight | rebooting |
| 00:54.45 | ScytheBlade1 | go for it |
| 00:56.29 | Shirik | accepttttttt |
| 00:56.32 | ScytheBlade1 | sec |
| 00:56.39 | ScytheBlade1 | fixing my firewall |
| 00:56.58 | Shirik | just turn on upnp |
| 00:57.09 | ScytheBlade1 | I would have to install it |
| 01:12.33 | Shirik | that was really bad |
| 01:12.38 | Shirik | I've gotten better than that ._. |
| 01:12.47 | Shirik | amusingly, I saw your units |
| 01:12.51 | Shirik | from my sensor tower |
| 01:14.26 | ScytheBlade1 | which is why I didn't move in until I had the cash |
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| 03:23.41 | ckknight | woo, 2v2 platinum |
| 03:23.49 | Sixen | nice |
| 03:24.47 | ckknight | with my CEO |
| 03:24.58 | ckknight | well, you know Hubert |
| 03:25.31 | ScytheBlade1 | whtpat division? |
| 03:25.35 | ScytheBlade1 | higher than ours? |
| 03:25.38 | ScytheBlade1 | *what |
| 03:26.22 | Sixen | pfft |
| 03:26.26 | Sixen | hubert and I are 2v2 Platinum too |
| 03:29.06 | ckknight | hehe |
| 03:31.11 | Shirik | I'm actually beyond platinum |
| 03:31.24 | Shirik | I'm so good they couldn't figure out where to put me |
| 03:31.32 | Shirik | so they just made me do more placement games until I get bad enough for platinum |
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| 10:38.23 | vjeux | heya |
| 11:11.18 | Repo | Knowledge base page update: http://kb.sc2mapster.com/sc2-api/functions/event-chat-message/ by vjeux |
| 11:35.07 | Repo | Knowledge base page update: http://kb.sc2mapster.com/sc2-api/functions/uidisplay-message/ by vjeux |
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| 13:01.02 | Repo | New knowledge base page: http://kb.sc2mapster.com/sc2-api/galaxy-language/ by vjeux |
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| 13:12.48 | vjeux | hey |
| 13:22.21 | ckknight | hey, vjeux |
| 13:22.26 | vjeux | heya |
| 13:22.50 | vjeux | i've managed to run a map + edit the galaxy files |
| 13:23.01 | vjeux | it would be great to have a tutorial for how to do it |
| 13:23.06 | ckknight | cool |
| 13:23.19 | vjeux | however it requires the custom loader |
| 13:23.26 | vjeux | is that against our policies? |
| 13:24.12 | ckknight | as-is, no |
| 13:24.22 | vjeux | ok |
| 13:24.27 | ckknight | as long as we're not actively circumventing blizzard |
| 13:24.37 | vjeux | going to write the tuto and make some advertising about it |
| 13:24.37 | ckknight | and make sure to say this is for educational purposes only |
| 13:24.44 | ckknight | k |
| 13:25.04 | vjeux | anyway galaxy really sucks |
| 13:25.14 | vjeux | there isn't even dynamic allocation |
| 13:25.18 | vjeux | nor for loops |
| 13:26.48 | ckknight | well, for loops are just glorified while loops |
| 13:26.56 | ckknight | dynamic allocation is kind of important, though |
| 13:27.08 | ckknight | hmm |
| 13:27.09 | vjeux | well, we are in 2010 |
| 13:27.21 | ckknight | if there's no dynamic allocation, what are the pointers used for? |
| 13:27.25 | vjeux | no idea |
| 13:27.35 | vjeux | i'm trying to find an answer to that :p |
| 13:30.23 | ckknight | btw |
| 13:30.34 | ckknight | I read that although i++ is gone, i += 1 should still work |
| 13:30.45 | vjeux | yeah i+=1 is working |
| 13:31.25 | vjeux | http://forums.sc2mapster.com/general/general-chat/198-galaxy-scripting/ |
| 13:31.43 | vjeux | ohttp://kb.sc2mapster.com/sc2-api/galaxy-language/ |
| 13:33.37 | ckknight | hmm |
| 13:34.19 | vjeux | just found how why the pointers |
| 13:34.26 | vjeux | if you return a new object |
| 13:37.20 | ckknight | um, what? |
| 13:37.22 | ckknight | got an example? |
| 13:38.07 | vjeux | point2d createPoint() { point2d new; new.x = 0; new.y = 0; return new; } |
| 13:38.09 | vjeux | erg ... |
| 13:38.10 | vjeux | well |
| 13:38.21 | vjeux | you should be able to do that |
| 13:38.27 | ckknight | there's no pointer there |
| 13:38.33 | vjeux | now in the calling function |
| 13:38.42 | vjeux | point2d p = createPoint(); |
| 13:38.44 | vjeux | you can't do that |
| 13:38.48 | ckknight | hmm |
| 13:38.54 | vjeux | because there's no "bulk copy" |
| 13:39.29 | ckknight | ah |
| 13:39.29 | ckknight | so you can't return non-pointer structs |
| 13:39.29 | ckknight | okay |
| 13:39.29 | vjeux | the operator= is not overloaded to copy a structure |
| 13:39.33 | vjeux | i don't really know how to get the structure with a pointer |
| 13:39.37 | vjeux | but i'll find out i guess |
| 13:44.59 | vjeux | btw, the preview on the forum posts is not working |
| 13:46.09 | ckknight | odd |
| 13:46.13 | ckknight | what's broken about it? |
| 13:46.31 | vjeux | when you click the preview button it does nothing |
| 13:46.51 | ckknight | odd |
| 13:46.58 | vjeux | http://forums.sc2mapster.com/general/general-chat/create-thread/ |
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| 14:05.07 | vjeux | is there somewhere a big version of the logo? |
| 14:06.44 | ckknight | of SC2Mapster? |
| 14:06.48 | vjeux | yep |
| 14:08.29 | ckknight | yea, check on http://www.sc2mapster.com/themes/sc2mapster/ |
| 14:08.32 | ckknight | at the bottom of the images |
| 14:10.01 | vjeux | great thansk |
| 14:21.34 | vjeux | http://forums.sc2mapster.com/general/general-chat/199-how-to-load-a-map/ |
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| 15:22.37 | vjeux | http://forums.sc2mapster.com/general/general-chat/199-how-to-load-a-map/ |
| 15:22.55 | nicoli_s | yah i saw, good job |
| 15:23.01 | nicoli_s | is that using the lazytown loader? |
| 15:23.18 | vjeux | lazyloader2 |
| 15:23.20 | vjeux | guess that's it |
| 15:24.00 | nicoli_s | yah |
| 15:24.26 | ckknight | vjeux: you're still on XP? |
| 15:24.30 | vjeux | yeah |
| 15:24.41 | vjeux | seven refuses to install on my macbook pro :( |
| 15:25.08 | ckknight | strange |
| 15:25.11 | ckknight | installed fine on mine |
| 15:25.18 | vjeux | got a unibody? |
| 15:26.23 | ckknight | yea |
| 15:27.02 | vjeux | the old mac book pro is involved! |
| 15:27.18 | vjeux | anyway i've tried it few months ago |
| 15:27.28 | ckknight | okay, I'm gonna head to work |
| 15:32.23 | ckknight | okay, off to work |
| 15:43.37 | vjeux | anyway there is pretty much no one watching the hiveworkshop and wc3c starcraft2 forums |
| 15:44.00 | vjeux | all the activity is on darkblizz and such forums |
| 15:46.21 | nicoli_s | yep, exactly what i knew would happen |
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| 16:26.56 | Repo | New knowledge base page: http://kb.sc2mapster.com/sc2-api/functions/trigger-debug-output/ by vjeux |
| 16:27.47 | Repo | Knowledge base page update: http://kb.sc2mapster.com/sc2-api/functions/trigger-debug-output/ by vjeux |
| 17:05.11 | Repo | New knowledge base page: http://kb.sc2mapster.com/sc2-api/types/bool/ by ckknight |
| 17:06.10 | ckknight | k, it's :05 now, by :15, all the bool links should turn from red to blue |
| 17:15.40 | ckknight | hmm, no dice |
| 17:16.32 | vjeux | :( |
| 17:18.51 | ckknight | I know the issue |
| 17:22.54 | Repo | New knowledge base page: http://kb.sc2mapster.com/sc2-api/types/int/ by ckknight |
| 17:23.05 | Repo | Knowledge base page update: http://kb.sc2mapster.com/sc2-api/types/int/ by ckknight |
| 17:24.21 | Repo | Knowledge base page update: http://kb.sc2mapster.com/sc2-api/types/bool/ by ckknight |
| 17:45.57 | dusthawk | call da ambalamps |
| 17:50.59 | Repo | Knowledge base page update: http://kb.sc2mapster.com/sc2-api/types/int/ by ckknight |
| 17:52.48 | Repo | New knowledge base page: http://kb.sc2mapster.com/sc2-api/functions/string-word/ by vjeux |
| 17:54.05 | Shirik | ckknight: You can always force an update, no need to wait |
| 17:54.27 | ckknight | Shirik: nah, the way I'd need to do that would need to flush the entire cache |
| 17:54.31 | ckknight | since there's no good dependency system to use |
| 17:54.37 | Shirik | isn't it mediawiki? |
| 17:54.39 | ckknight | no |
| 17:54.40 | Shirik | oh |
| 17:54.45 | Shirik | well that's what you get for not using mediawiki |
| 17:54.46 | Shirik | :P |
| 17:58.28 | Repo | Knowledge base page update: http://kb.sc2mapster.com/sc2-api/types/int/ by vjeux |
| 17:59.13 | ckknight | vjeux: you sure about that? |
| 17:59.38 | ckknight | vjeux: normal ints allow -2147483648 |
| 17:59.56 | ckknight | why wouldn't galaxy's? |
| 18:00.06 | vjeux | dunno |
| 18:00.14 | vjeux | it gives a numerical overflow when using that value |
| 18:00.21 | ckknight | interesting |
| 18:00.25 | ckknight | make a note about it on the wiki page |
| 18:00.27 | vjeux | ok |
| 18:00.42 | ckknight | also see if 2147483648 works |
| 18:00.47 | vjeux | nop |
| 18:00.52 | ckknight | and maybe they'll differentiate between +0 and -0 |
| 18:01.14 | ckknight | I don't know the ranges of the fixed type, so I didn't document |
| 18:01.22 | ckknight | but on galaxywiki, it said it was a 4-byte value |
| 18:01.23 | ckknight | so *shrug* |
| 18:01.53 | vjeux | i'll test it out |
| 18:03.12 | vjeux | it might be for the "null" value |
| 18:03.17 | ckknight | also it'd be nice to get the precision and range of the fixed type |
| 18:03.59 | vjeux | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:04.09 | vjeux | int j = null; |
| 18:04.21 | ckknight | that doesn't surprise me |
| 18:04.25 | ckknight | null is a pointer type |
| 18:04.57 | vjeux | that would have explained why they have reserved a value |
| 18:05.09 | vjeux | dunno how to test the +0 and -0 |
| 18:05.31 | vjeux | but it would be rather strange to store the sign as a bit |
| 18:05.50 | nicoli_s | ckknight just left btw vjeux |
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| 18:06.05 | vjeux | it would not be possible to use hardware to do the computation |
| 18:06.05 | vjeux | ok |
| 18:07.01 | Repo | Knowledge base page update: http://kb.sc2mapster.com/sc2-api/types/int/ by vjeux |
| 18:10.17 | vjeux | wtf there is no FixedToString .. |
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| 18:53.29 | Repo | Knowledge base page update: http://kb.sc2mapster.com/sc2-api/functions/trigger-add-event-chat-message/ by vjeux |
| 18:54.19 | vjeux | http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/beta-information-sharing-center-648/custom-map-loader-160700/#post1498711 |
| 18:54.22 | vjeux | what a useless answer |
| 19:13.50 | ckknight | vjeux: there is a DebugFixed, at least |
| 19:14.28 | vjeux | well |
| 19:14.36 | vjeux | can't find where the output is for Debug* |
| 19:15.01 | vjeux | not in the UI neither in the debug console |
| 19:15.06 | ckknight | hmm |
| 19:15.09 | ckknight | lame |
| 19:15.19 | vjeux | there might be a setting to enable or something |
| 19:15.24 | vjeux | but have no idea how to |
| 19:17.31 | vjeux | http://kb.sc2mapster.com/sc2-api/functions/trigger-add-event-chat-message/ |
| 19:17.36 | vjeux | anyway this is working :) |
| 19:17.49 | vjeux | i mean documented |
| 19:18.32 | vjeux | not sure what are the booleans values for the trigger function |
| 19:19.33 | vjeux | did you push the delete fix? |
| 19:21.09 | Repo | Knowledge base page update: http://kb.sc2mapster.com/sc2-api/functions/list/ by vjeux |
| 19:24.51 | ckknight | vjeux: delete fix? |
| 19:25.16 | vjeux | http://kb.sc2mapster.com/sc2-api/functions/uidisplay-message/ |
| 19:25.24 | vjeux | i can't delete the left attached image |
| 19:26.02 | ckknight | k |
| 19:26.04 | ckknight | hang on |
| 19:26.38 | ckknight | pushing |
| 19:29.46 | ckknight | I'll tell you when it's fixed |
| 19:29.59 | vjeux | ok |
| 19:31.27 | nicoli_s | vjeux: do you know if its possible to override stuff? |
| 19:31.48 | vjeux | override what? |
| 19:32.25 | nicoli_s | existing methods |
| 19:32.31 | vjeux | nop |
| 19:32.44 | vjeux | tells you the method is already being defined |
| 19:33.05 | vjeux | you can't either have a function that takes different types of argument |
| 19:33.15 | vjeux | (would be handy for print funciton) |
| 19:34.33 | vjeux | will your map editor allow to edit the terrain? |
| 19:34.54 | vjeux | i'm pretty sure it's possible to do a basic tower defense |
| 19:37.45 | nicoli_s | wont offer terrain editing till i figure out the terrain file |
| 19:37.51 | vjeux | ok |
| 19:38.27 | ckknight | figured out the issue |
| 19:39.53 | ckknight | vjeux: try to delete it now |
| 19:40.20 | vjeux | perfect thanks |
| 19:49.14 | vjeux | I can make the game crash with a function call :) |
| 19:50.00 | vjeux | RegionCircle(Point(0, 0), 999999) |
| 19:50.06 | vjeux | 999999 is too much for the game :( |
| 19:51.09 | nicoli_s | lol |
| 19:54.59 | vjeux | grr, why didn't they add the for loop ... |
| 19:55.17 | nicoli_s | yeah thats pretty ridiculous |
| 19:55.35 | ckknight | for can be complex |
| 19:55.44 | ckknight | especially if you have break or continue |
| 19:55.58 | vjeux | well, you can rewrite for as a while |
| 19:56.08 | nicoli_s | but they dont have break or continue, there are error msgs if you try to use them |
| 19:56.09 | vjeux | takes 3 lines to do it |
| 19:56.10 | ckknight | also since all local variables must be declared at the top, it somewhat makes sense |
| 19:56.18 | ckknight | yea, it's lame |
| 19:56.19 | ckknight | but oh well |
| 19:56.38 | vjeux | anyway, their error handling is pretty lame |
| 19:56.44 | vjeux | there isn't even the line number |
| 19:56.50 | ckknight | dang |
| 19:57.30 | vjeux | we've got a compiler to do on a school project, i'm pretty sure our is more complete that galaxy :x |
| 19:57.37 | ckknight | hehe |
| 19:58.59 | vjeux | i really hope that their ide is going to be good |
| 19:59.08 | vjeux | because the language behind really sucks |
| 19:59.17 | ckknight | hehe |
| 19:59.21 | ckknight | I want to play around in galaxy some |
| 19:59.25 | ckknight | I have some questions about it all |
| 19:59.32 | vjeux | if you want to play around |
| 19:59.35 | ckknight | like whether you can have something like this: |
| 19:59.37 | vjeux | download the rar i made |
| 19:59.45 | vjeux | edit the MapScript.galaxy |
| 19:59.46 | ckknight | struct Link { int value; Link* next }; |
| 19:59.48 | vjeux | and run the bat file |
| 19:59.53 | ckknight | yea |
| 20:00.00 | ckknight | I will later |
| 20:00.05 | ckknight | for now I need to work on WoW stuff |
| 20:00.39 | vjeux | let me see |
| 20:00.59 | vjeux | anyway, as there is no dynamic allocation |
| 20:01.06 | vjeux | can't really see use for a linked list :x |
| 20:01.36 | ckknight | I'm not sure how limiting the lack of dynamic allocation will be |
| 20:01.42 | vjeux | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:01.49 | vjeux | struct Link { int value; Link* next }; |
| 20:01.50 | vjeux | for this |
| 20:01.51 | ckknight | err |
| 20:01.55 | ckknight | struct Link { int value; Link* next; }; |
| 20:01.55 | ckknight | try that |
| 20:01.59 | ckknight | missed a semicolon |
| 20:02.28 | vjeux | compiles :p |
| 20:02.32 | ckknight | hmm |
| 20:02.43 | vjeux | now, the real question is how to use it |
| 20:04.14 | vjeux | we could do a variable pool at game launch |
| 20:04.45 | vjeux | MyType[1024] g_mytype; |
| 20:04.49 | ckknight | hmm |
| 20:04.51 | ckknight | yea |
| 20:04.54 | vjeux | but that really sucks |
| 20:04.58 | ckknight | yes it does |
| 20:05.03 | ckknight | shrugs |
| 20:05.10 | vjeux | and since there is no casting, we couldn't even do a void thingy |
| 20:06.30 | ckknight | MyType* GetMyType() { int i = g_currentmytypecount; g_currentmytypecount += 1; return &g_mytype[i]; } |
| 20:06.34 | ckknight | :P |
| 20:06.43 | vjeux | yeah |
| 20:06.50 | vjeux | there is also no macro |
| 20:06.56 | vjeux | no way to make it somewhat generic |
| 20:07.04 | ckknight | ...yea |
| 20:07.21 | ckknight | lack of dynamic allocation really makes garbage collection simple and fast |
| 20:07.24 | vjeux | yeah :p |
| 20:07.32 | ckknight | since you either collect at the end of a function or when the map shuts down |
| 20:07.50 | vjeux | all is done through the stack |
| 20:08.04 | ckknight | well, the globals are arguably heap-based |
| 20:08.11 | ckknight | in any event, it's stack-oriented semantics |
| 20:08.18 | vjeux | globals? |
| 20:08.25 | ckknight | global variables |
| 20:08.29 | ckknight | that exist outside of functions |
| 20:08.59 | ckknight | a malloc would be nice, and as long as they kept a hold of everything they malloc'd, the GC wouldn't be that complex |
| 20:08.59 | vjeux | beginning of the stack :p |
| 20:09.32 | vjeux | having a "new" keyword would help |
| 20:09.56 | ckknight | malloc and new are essentially the same, just different semantics |
| 20:09.59 | vjeux | yeah |
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| 20:10.34 | vjeux | but seriously, why didn't they just use lua ... |
| 20:10.49 | ckknight | there's various good reasons |
| 20:10.54 | ckknight | but if I were to do it, I'd've just used lua |
| 20:11.36 | vjeux | I mean ... creating a language from scracth is a huge task |
| 20:11.53 | ckknight | yep |
| 20:11.57 | vjeux | and they won't ever be able to compete with nowadays compiler optimizations |
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| 20:12.18 | ckknight | howdy, Cide |
| 20:12.22 | ckknight | Cide: add yourself to http://averageurl.com/sc2/ |
| 20:12.46 | vjeux | they aren't even pre-compiling the galaxy files |
| 20:12.57 | ckknight | well, I wouldn't expect that |
| 20:13.20 | vjeux | the editor could compile the scripts |
| 20:13.34 | ckknight | or maybe they don't want to limit themselves to intel? |
| 20:13.38 | vjeux | this is quite useless to compile when the game loads |
| 20:13.53 | nicoli_s | well when it packages the mpqs it could compile them easy |
| 20:13.58 | ckknight | I think compiling to bytecode and then either interpretting or jitting that on load would work best |
| 20:14.25 | ckknight | but with it non-compiled, then they could look in and see that nobody's doing any hanky-panky |
| 20:14.32 | vjeux | (when I say compile I want to say translate from pure-text to bytecode/asm) |
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| 20:22.55 | ckknight | howdy, foxlit |
| 20:23.04 | foxlit | oh hi |
| 20:31.59 | vjeux | ok i managed to make a unit move |
| 20:32.04 | ckknight | sweet. |
| 20:32.08 | vjeux | so it's possible to make a tower defense ! |
| 20:32.24 | vjeux | but there are several limitations |
| 20:32.27 | ckknight | hmm? |
| 20:32.36 | vjeux | you can't spawn unit on the fly |
| 20:32.45 | vjeux | you have to create them at startup |
| 20:32.52 | ckknight | that seems strange |
| 20:32.59 | vjeux | the api is really incomplete |
| 20:33.09 | vjeux | I'm pretty sure that's going to be added later |
| 20:33.41 | vjeux | the only way to put unit atm is to add them in the Object.xml file |
| 20:34.07 | vjeux | or you can ask the AI to make a building that build them and make them move ... |
| 20:36.21 | vjeux | it really lacks of trigger too |
| 20:36.35 | vjeux | there are 2 triggers atm: OnChatMessage and OnMapInit |
| 20:36.52 | vjeux | we could ask the user to say "next" to get a wave |
| 20:37.06 | nicoli_s | thatd be cool |
| 20:37.34 | vjeux | however, that doesn't seem possible to make a unit count |
| 20:37.59 | vjeux | well, when they reach a "DEAD" zone, they would be killed and the user loose 1 point |
| 20:38.34 | vjeux | we would need a trigger executed every x seconds |
| 20:38.58 | vjeux | or better a trigger OnUnitEnterArea or something |
| 20:43.16 | vjeux | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:43.25 | vjeux | at least they have protection againt while(1){} |
| 20:43.43 | nicoli_s | thats good |
| 20:43.48 | ckknight | hmm |
| 20:43.51 | ckknight | hang on |
| 20:43.53 | nicoli_s | where do you see these errors btw? in the trigger debugger? |
| 20:43.54 | ckknight | try using Wait() |
| 20:44.01 | ckknight | while (true) { Wait(1) } |
| 20:44.02 | vjeux | yeah that's what i'm doing right now |
| 20:44.11 | ckknight | err |
| 20:44.14 | ckknight | stick a ; in |
| 20:44.33 | vjeux | i'm having some wrong number of parameters error |
| 20:44.42 | vjeux | if only i could have the line! |
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| 20:45.32 | ckknight | btw, http://www.sc2mapster.com/categories/ |
| 20:45.36 | ckknight | there's Assets now |
| 20:45.44 | ckknight | if you think I should add more asset categories, say so |
| 20:45.58 | vjeux | Wait(1) isn't working, wrong number of parameters -_- |
| 20:46.10 | vjeux | and TriggerExecute gives me a syntax error |
| 20:46.18 | vjeux | I'm pretty sure the sc2.galaxy file isn't working |
| 20:46.25 | vjeux | great |
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| 20:49.56 | nicoli_s | whats not working about it? |
| 20:50.23 | vjeux | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:50.27 | vjeux | on line Wait(1); |
| 20:51.06 | ckknight | maybe it's just Wait() |
| 20:51.09 | ckknight | or Wait(1, true) |
| 20:51.10 | ckknight | who knows |
| 20:53.27 | vjeux | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:53.31 | vjeux | for Wait(1, true) |
| 20:53.34 | vjeux | let test something else |
| 20:59.37 | vjeux | can't find the good combination of 2 types :( |
| 20:59.59 | vjeux | oh yeah that's int int |
| 21:00.16 | vjeux | ok i've got a timing thing! |
| 21:00.25 | vjeux | bool testTimer(bool a, bool b) { |
| 21:00.25 | vjeux | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:00.25 | vjeux | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:00.25 | vjeux | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:00.25 | vjeux | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:00.25 | vjeux | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:00.25 | vjeux | } |
| 21:00.29 | vjeux | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:01.07 | nicoli_s | nice |
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| 21:01.22 | ckknight | vjeux: how's it working? |
| 21:01.35 | ckknight | maybe it's like Wait(int seconds, int milliseconds) |
| 21:01.49 | vjeux | the 2nd is bounded (10 gives an error) |
| 21:02.09 | vjeux | Wait(seconds, flag) |
| 21:02.13 | vjeux | guess that something like that |
| 21:02.29 | vjeux | the first one is seconds |
| 21:02.33 | ckknight | hmm |
| 21:02.42 | ckknight | seconds, not milliseconds? |
| 21:02.44 | ckknight | hmm... |
| 21:02.51 | ckknight | does it accept a fixed as well? |
| 21:02.55 | ckknight | try 0.5 |
| 21:02.58 | vjeux | Wait(10, 0) |
| 21:02.59 | vjeux | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:02.59 | vjeux | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:02.59 | vjeux | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:03.08 | vjeux | the values seems to be time |
| 21:03.15 | vjeux | but it's base 16 wtf ... : |
| 21:03.16 | vjeux | p |
| 21:03.50 | vjeux | 0.5 is working |
| 21:03.59 | ckknight | okay |
| 21:04.07 | ckknight | so it must be Wait(fixed time, int flags) |
| 21:04.11 | ckknight | probably |
| 21:04.14 | vjeux | the Wait function creates a new thread |
| 21:04.16 | nicoli_s | nice |
| 21:04.22 | ckknight | hmm |
| 21:04.24 | ckknight | interesting |
| 21:04.33 | ckknight | so it only makes new threads when sleeping occurs |
| 21:04.38 | ckknight | makes sense in its own way |
| 21:05.05 | vjeux | there must be other way to make threads, the Waiting for column says (0.5) Game |
| 21:05.38 | vjeux | ok |
| 21:05.53 | vjeux | Wait(1, 0) -> 1 Game |
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| 21:06.56 | vjeuxx | <vjeux> Wait(1, 0) -> 1 Game |
| 21:06.56 | vjeuxx | <vjeux> Wait(1, 1) -> 1 Real |
| 21:07.03 | vjeuxx | so there's something to do with Game time and Real time |
| 21:07.08 | ckknight | ah |
| 21:07.10 | ckknight | makes sense |
| 21:07.21 | ckknight | since in Faster, every game second is 0.6 real seconds |
| 21:07.27 | nicoli_s | yah was just about to say that |
| 21:07.37 | ckknight | does Wait(1, 2) do anything? |
| 21:07.40 | vjeuxx | Wait(1, 2) = AI |
| 21:07.58 | ckknight | ...strange |
| 21:08.05 | ckknight | be sure to document this stuff |
| 21:08.14 | vjeuxx | yeah |
| 21:08.22 | vjeuxx | 3 is out of bound |
| 21:10.18 | ckknight | I wonder what AI time is supposed to be... |
| 21:10.58 | nicoli_s | maybe you can set the ai speed specifically |
| 21:11.11 | ckknight | maybe it's APMs or something |
| 21:11.18 | ckknight | or based on the AI's APMs |
| 21:11.46 | nicoli_s | probably |
| 21:12.19 | vjeuxx | AISetAPM(int player, int apm) |
| 21:12.23 | vjeuxx | AI APM is player based |
| 21:12.35 | vjeuxx | Wait does not have any player as input |
| 21:13.18 | vjeuxx | I'm going to sleep |
| 21:13.22 | vjeuxx | I will document that tomorrow |
| 21:13.30 | vjeuxx | there is a AIGetTime() |
| 21:13.44 | vjeuxx | so I guess they don't use the same time as normal |
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| 22:41.43 | ckknight | vjeuxx: stop that |
| 22:42.06 | Cide | holy batman, spam |
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| 22:44.12 | nicoli_s | i think its automated |
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| 23:56.35 | ckknight | I got nicoli_s' map editor to load galaxy files and show them |
| 23:56.36 | ckknight | huzzah |