| 01:17.30 | Ivnedar | I think that event only fires when you change tank/dps/heal/support role, not role role |
| 01:17.36 | Ivnedar | ie. when the icon changes |
| 01:18.11 | Ivnedar | so if you switch between 2 dps roles, that event won't fire |
| 01:54.35 | Grepsd | hmmm ok, it explains a lot |
| 02:23.47 | Grepsd | Do you know if the Command.Message are really limited ? I see addons like RCD which could use it and be more... well, more efficient en precise, but they dont, any idea why ? |
| 02:26.14 | Ivnedar | the bandwidth is limited |
| 02:26.25 | Ivnedar | Utility.Message.Limits |
| 02:26.37 | Ivnedar | and there've been occasions in the past where the messaging system has broken in various ways |
| 02:26.42 | Ivnedar | so there'll be workarounds for that |
| 02:26.54 | Ivnedar | stuff like broadcasts work but directed don't, or vice-versa |
| 02:27.18 | Grepsd | Saw the limit, but it didnt seem... that tight |
| 02:29.41 | Grepsd | and i tried with a test addon, broadcast and directed, didnt get much drop, so is it really unreliable or was it a temp issue ? |
| 02:29.53 | Ivnedar | past issue as far as I'm aware |
| 02:30.41 | Grepsd | kk, thanks a lot |
| 02:30.59 | Ivnedar | the limits could be changed at any time though, so I'd suggest checking the limits when you start up and follow that |
| 02:31.09 | Ivnedar | so if they go up in future, things are good, if they go down, things keep working |
| 02:31.44 | Grepsd | Do you know if the limit is by addon or by client ? It would be logic to be for the whole client but well... |
| 02:32.03 | Ivnedar | client |
| 02:33.02 | Ivnedar | I'm not sure how the *.Queue.* functions play with those |
| 02:33.53 | Grepsd | (are you still playing btw ? if so, on progression ? crucia down & stuff ?) |
| 02:34.10 | Ivnedar | I've logged in a couple of times since 3.0 |
| 02:34.20 | Ivnedar | I think I might be level 82 now |
| 02:34.28 | Ivnedar | or whatever the limit was + 2 |
| 02:34.55 | Grepsd | As I though :/ |
| 02:35.09 | Ivnedar | My guild left when wildstar launched |
| 02:35.27 | Ivnedar | that flopped, some tried out warlords, everyone's scattered now |
| 02:35.49 | Ivnedar | must me lvl 62 |
| 02:36.00 | Grepsd | tons of people left for wildstar and dropped it very quickly... |
| 02:36.34 | Ivnedar | yeah, I think they underestimated the player retention casual content gives |
| 02:36.53 | Grepsd | and hardcore content wasnt that hardcore either |
| 02:36.59 | Ivnedar | the sole focus on hardcore raiding is so very niche and bursty, they can't retain players |
| 02:37.08 | Ivnedar | hardcore == grindy |
| 02:37.20 | Grepsd | oh that |
| 02:37.49 | Ivnedar | come raid with your friends! but before you can raid with your friends, here's the shopping list of content and objectives to do before you can walk in the door |
| 02:37.52 | Grepsd | rift prolly only lacks of funds (=dev to work on content/fix/etc) |
| 02:38.09 | Grepsd | get the key, each week, so you can raid ...hmmm... ok. |
| 02:39.44 | Grepsd | Anyway, it's the same with every game launch, many players go there, try, and leave, some stay, some get back their former game, others just pass to something else, it kinda thin every game community. |
| 02:39.45 | Ivnedar | most of our core started losing interest around PBB/IG days when we were spending more time carrying and training new people |
| 02:40.16 | Ivnedar | spending a 4 hour raid night on eggtenders was rather demotivating for the core |
| 02:40.22 | Grepsd | o_o |
| 02:40.26 | Ivnedar | uh huh |
| 02:40.28 | Grepsd | but but but, the eggs were o_o |
| 02:40.32 | Ivnedar | uh huh |
| 02:41.08 | Grepsd | well, i say that but just spent 2 hours on a boss we first try everyweek... just cause half the core wasnt there, and the remaining people were kinda lazy |
| 02:41.14 | Ivnedar | we had an awesome thrax carry strat :D |
| 02:41.40 | Ivnedar | those who couldn't do mechanics, run into the middle and die near the centre of the platform, stay dead for the duration of the fight |
| 02:42.04 | Grepsd | hahaha thrax, i stopped the game, and when i got back, it was thrax time. I NEVER survived the wholeencounter, you need to spend some time on this boss to grasp the timing, feeling and tips... |
| 02:42.15 | Ivnedar | the rest of the people dps'd the boss to get him to the last phase, just before triggering it, warriors dropped combat and res'd the carrys, then everyone dropped the boss |
| 02:42.31 | Grepsd | omg |
| 02:42.35 | Grepsd | that's ducking |
| 02:42.54 | Ivnedar | I was calling every mechanic as it happened, and the what the next one would be |
| 02:43.00 | Ivnedar | there was no excuse for missing mechanics |
| 02:43.36 | Grepsd | i just remembr the jumping part then going away quite fast, being my problem |
| 02:43.59 | Ivnedar | to be fair though, people were playing on 400ms latency, so you have to get used to working out where the mechanic will be on the server vs your screen |
| 02:44.13 | Grepsd | oh ? why 400ms ? |
| 02:44.18 | Ivnedar | australia |
| 02:44.27 | Grepsd | oh. |
| 02:44.35 | Grepsd | coriolis ? |
| 02:44.35 | Ivnedar | australia, new zealand, singapore |
| 02:44.39 | Ivnedar | nah, Blitz |
| 02:44.57 | Grepsd | 400ms must have been really really hard to handle |
| 02:45.07 | Ivnedar | Coriolis coped with latency issues in a completely different way :P |
| 02:45.46 | Grepsd | You mean the exploit, I guess |
| 02:45.50 | Ivnedar | nah |
| 02:46.01 | Ivnedar | recruiting us raiding guild alts |
| 02:46.15 | Ivnedar | Are they still around? |
| 02:46.19 | Grepsd | Isn't there an answer to geographic issue, like good quality vpn |
| 02:46.20 | Ivnedar | They were moving to wildstar when we did |
| 02:46.38 | Ivnedar | good quality vpn might drop it to 250ms |
| 02:46.45 | Ivnedar | it's hard to work around the speed of light |
| 02:46.49 | Grepsd | They are, some of them got involved in something and got banned,but now they're all back from what i know, they even did clean the current content except for the hard mode |
| 02:47.17 | Grepsd | 250ms is almost what i have theses days |
| 02:48.49 | Grepsd | Anyway, it's sad there's not enough potential oceanic players for trion, it could have allowed them to build an oceanic shard |
| 02:49.25 | Ivnedar | It was amusing when the trion stance was made that anything above 200ms was unplayable |
| 02:49.47 | Ivnedar | or maybe it was 250ms |
| 02:49.58 | Grepsd | You loose tons of GCD? and you can say goodbuys to oGCD tricks |
| 02:50.06 | Ivnedar | yup |
| 02:50.18 | Ivnedar | That's right, Elrar saying that 250ms was unplayable |
| 02:50.21 | Ivnedar | much lols from oceanic players |
| 02:50.22 | Grepsd | It is decent, but far from optimal |
| 02:50.45 | Ivnedar | It lead to some interesting convos between oceanic theory crafters and us/eu ones |
| 02:50.48 | Grepsd | not sure what he meant by unplayable xD |
| 02:50.49 | Ivnedar | rotations are completely different |
| 02:51.29 | Ivnedar | http://forums.riftgame.com/general-discussions/general-discussion/351058-unplayable-lag.html#post4150493 |
| 02:51.31 | Grepsd | dps is an issue,but tanking might also |
| 02:51.40 | Ivnedar | excessively high |
| 02:51.44 | Grepsd | how are you supposed to take adds... |
| 02:52.53 | Ivnedar | at 400ms, tanks preempt where adds are or play a cleric |
| 02:53.05 | Ivnedar | cleric passive infinite range threat was crazy |
| 02:53.08 | Grepsd | they broken overhealing aggro :( |
| 02:53.19 | Grepsd | Now it's less broken, mage tank though... |
| 02:53.46 | Ivnedar | I got used to cotanking with a cleric |
| 02:53.59 | Ivnedar | knew when she'd burst aggro so I could grab mobs back |
| 02:54.17 | Grepsd | any way, i think 250ms or more is excessively high under normal circunstances, like... people in EU on EU shards... for users playing on far away shards though, this reasoning isnt viable anymore |
| 02:54.49 | Ivnedar | yeah, but if the game is designed around a particular latency, then it becomes much harder for those nowhere near that ballpark |
| 02:54.52 | Grepsd | let her burst so whenyou taunt you already have a high level of threat on them |
| 02:55.11 | Grepsd | that's what i'm saying to my off tank (a war, i'm a cleric), but he doesnt understand the idea of threat level and taunt |
| 02:55.23 | Ivnedar | yeah, understood all that |
| 02:55.39 | Ivnedar | keeping split packs is harder to do that on though |
| 02:55.52 | Ivnedar | if the cleric pulls all mobs on them, the warrior has to pick them off, if they're not expecting it |
| 02:56.19 | Grepsd | It's sad we don't have all the formulas, numbers to be able to really theocraft on it... when you taunt, is threat level -20% ? or more ? what about armor/resist scalling and dmg reduction... alt that |
| 02:56.56 | Ivnedar | taunt = taunter gets the exact same threat figure as the current top threat target |
| 02:57.04 | Ivnedar | no more, no less |
| 02:57.16 | Grepsd | oh, though there was a reduction, ok. |
| 02:57.20 | Ivnedar | the taunt also forces the mob to attack the taunter for x seconds, regardless of who's top |
| 02:57.38 | Ivnedar | so it's the taunter's responsibility to ensure they're still top threat on that mob when the x seconds drops off |
| 02:57.55 | Grepsd | what i love when you have a tanking mate, you can st taunt one mob, he doesnt aoe taunt,you keep the one you want and he take the rest... |
| 02:58.00 | Grepsd | doesnt work with braindead people... |
| 02:58.14 | Ivnedar | depends on the order |
| 02:58.23 | Ivnedar | if there's an aoe taunt, then a single taunt, would be fine |
| 02:58.48 | Ivnedar | if there's a single taunt then an aoe taunt (assuming the single target isn't taunt immune at that point) then the single would join the pack |
| 02:58.53 | Grepsd | st taunt then aoe, the st make the first immune, or it should, then the packs will follow the aoe taunter |
| 02:59.15 | Ivnedar | immunity is usually after 3 taunts within 5 seconds or something like that |
| 02:59.18 | Grepsd | oh, you're talking about the inverse of what i was talking, still works |
| 02:59.50 | Grepsd | we got an immune when switching every 3x1.5s |
| 03:00.02 | Ivnedar | that'd be 3 within 5 seconds |
| 03:00.22 | Grepsd | one every 4.5, so 3 within 13. |
| 03:00.28 | Ivnedar | ah, ok |
| 03:00.31 | Ivnedar | maybe it's longer then |
| 03:00.41 | Grepsd | might be degressive or a bit more complex |
| 03:00.54 | Ivnedar | usual rotations are still taunting every 30s or so? |
| 03:01.11 | Ivnedar | depends on strats I guess |
| 03:01.21 | Grepsd | hmmmmm, crucia is something like that yes |
| 03:01.54 | Grepsd | lots of boss now uses skills queue & priority, you can switch every 5s and if rng is good, you can wait 25s |
| 03:02.01 | Ivnedar | how's it compare to previous crucia? |
| 03:02.05 | Ivnedar | I've not seen anything of the new fight |
| 03:02.23 | Grepsd | previous crucia was messy on progression, you couldnt avoid dmg |
| 03:02.33 | Grepsd | this one, if you play perfectly, there nothing really hard to heal |
| 03:02.54 | Grepsd | dps check on both are kinda the same, but i think i killed her after a slight nerf |
| 03:03.19 | Ivnedar | we didn't kill first crucia until after the nerf that removed the dmg thing whenever anyone died on the last platform |
| 03:03.22 | Grepsd | but the mechanics are new, and very precise, that's something refreshing |
| 03:04.48 | Grepsd | that was hard, with the vortex on last plateform (sl's crucia), this one ... well, i killed her yesterday, it's a joke... the hard mode should provide a good challenge, but the normal mode is so easy, she's even easier to kill than her previous boss (just a feeling) |
| 03:04.57 | Grepsd | regulos was way harder |
| 03:05.22 | Ivnedar | regulos was another one where I was calling every mechanic and next mechanic based on current dps :D |
| 03:05.41 | Ivnedar | we gave up on having people sit in the 5 degree arc between baack and front and just healed through the front |
| 03:06.09 | Ivnedar | tentacles were fun with high latency |
| 03:06.12 | Grepsd | i'm also a tank & raid lead... calling everything, baby sitting, even telling some players they stand in a zone or they forgot their bufffes... |
| 03:06.38 | Grepsd | tentacles with latency. owww. the pre nerf tentacles were nasty |
| 03:07.23 | Ivnedar | it's another one where you had to get people to ignore what they saw on the screen and move together instead |
| 03:08.14 | Ivnedar | if you move somewhere, expect that there will be a tentacle there in a second or so, pretend that you can see one there |
| 03:08.23 | Ivnedar | 'cause you get knocked back before it's visible |
| 03:08.30 | Grepsd | That's prolly something most people wouldnt be able to, not reacting on what you see but on what should be... normal progression players tends to do just that, EXCEPT, when they should. |
| 03:08.44 | Ivnedar | "If you can see it, it's already too late" :) |
| 03:09.06 | Grepsd | like the rapist rule, i guess. |
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