| 05:14.42 | Ivnedar | https://twitter.com/nannerb/status/552130097214672897/photo/1 |
| 05:14.45 | Ivnedar | now that is very cool :D |
| 05:15.23 | Noshei | thats good |
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| 08:54.00 | ZorbaBeta | clever disney |
| 09:44.23 | ZorbaBeta | 1h15m to launch: http://www.spacex.com/webcast/ |
| 09:44.49 | ZorbaBeta | actually I think it's 1h35m to launch, 1h15m to a more interesting stream |
| 09:44.53 | ZorbaBeta | but close enough |
| 09:46.43 | Imhothar | what could be a more interesting stream than watching tons of metal get propelled into space with controlled explosions?! |
| 09:46.58 | ZorbaBeta | watching it come back down and land again on another series of controlled explosions! |
| 09:47.10 | ZorbaBeta | which, by the way, is being attempted for the first time in 1.5 hours :D |
| 09:50.08 | Imhothar | alright |
| 09:50.22 | Imhothar | you got away |
| 09:50.23 | Imhothar | this time |
| 09:50.47 | ZorbaBeta | (chance of success is not expected to be particularly high) |
| 09:53.44 | Ivnedar | is that the one where they're trying to land rockets on a barge? |
| 09:54.17 | ZorbaBeta | yep |
| 09:56.05 | Imhothar | if it works it could be the first reusable spacecraft after the shuttles |
| 09:56.31 | ZorbaBeta | still a lot of work to be done, of course, but this is the foundation. and while today's landing is a big "if", long-term I don't think there's any real doubt they'll succeed |
| 09:56.44 | Imhothar | aye |
| 10:01.26 | Imhothar | hmm now that launch definitely breaks my EU4 schedule |
| 10:02.11 | Imhothar | got that game in winter sale and can't get enough of it |
| 10:02.18 | ZorbaBeta | I hear it's real good |
| 10:02.26 | Imhothar | it already bypassed all other games in playtime by a factor of 3 |
| 10:03.00 | Imhothar | EU4 300 hours played, the next on list is Skyrim with 115 |
| 10:03.19 | ZorbaBeta | I plan to play it at some point but it'll probably be a while |
| 10:03.34 | ZorbaBeta | sadly my habit of alt-tabbing out of games makes my Steam stats essentially useless |
| 10:03.53 | Imhothar | you learn quite a lot about history and geography while painting the map with the color of your country |
| 10:04.30 | Imhothar | what's better to teach someone about geography than conquering the world |
| 10:05.06 | Imhothar | I have to say, from a strategic/tactical viewpoint Civilization is a joke compared to EU4 |
| 10:06.35 | Imhothar | ZorbaBeta if you do play it let me tell you it's a long-time activity. One playthrough on average speed takes about 20 hours if you never pause |
| 10:07.00 | ZorbaBeta | yeah I'm expecting that |
| 10:07.58 | Imhothar | and that's only 1444 - 1821 |
| 10:08.29 | Imhothar | there are mods that go back all the way to the Roman Empire in 51 AD |
| 10:09.29 | Imhothar | and I have to say that mod is really well executed. They added all kinds of barbaric tribes in Europe, the Chinese dynasties and civil wars in Asia, so much stuff |
| 10:10.26 | Imhothar | I find it fascinating to play as some country/tribe/kingdom, then go to Wikipedia and find out it really existed and how well it is represented in the game with religion/culture and national events and stuff |
| 10:11.07 | Imhothar | "so that's how Rome fell. I did that, too!" |
| 10:12.50 | Imhothar | I like games that teach you stuff without forcing it down your throat |
| 10:14.17 | Imhothar | I also have Crusader Kings 2 but haven't tried it yet. Too afraid it'll swallow even more time |
| 10:15.16 | ZorbaBeta | I've been playing Assassin's Creed, which has a little bit of that |
| 10:15.25 | ZorbaBeta | although I hear the later ones kind of dump the marginally-historically-accurate deal |
| 10:19.09 | Imhothar | I have played all but Unity and let's say Ubisoft reinterprets how things happened, but they still happened |
| 10:19.55 | ZorbaBeta | yeah, "marginal" is the important word there :V |
| 10:20.01 | Imhothar | the most intriguing AC games were the ones in Italy as it deals with the pope and his family and other high ranking politicians who really lived |
| 10:20.19 | ZorbaBeta | any idea which one that is? I've got the second also but I hear that's the point where it started going downhill |
| 10:20.37 | Imhothar | and, well if you don't want to spoil the game for you it's better to only look up these characters after you finished the game ;) |
| 10:20.45 | ZorbaBeta | fair :V |
| 10:20.46 | Imhothar | as Wiki has a tendency to tell when they died |
| 10:21.20 | Imhothar | depends on what you mean by "downhill" |
| 10:22.24 | Imhothar | Events still happen, but instead for reasons as written in history books its templar/assassinc conflicts |
| 10:22.50 | Imhothar | Though I'm no historian so I didn't care *that* much |
| 10:23.37 | Imhothar | there is of course the DLC to the third game where Goeorge Washington declares himself King of America but that's obviously intended as alt history |
| 10:24.33 | Imhothar | with Italy games I mean AC 2, brotherhood and revelation (although revelation plays in Constantinople) |
| 10:25.03 | ZorbaBeta | ah, yeah, guess that's what I'll be playing next |
| 10:25.04 | Imhothar | The third part was American history, which I only know superficially |
| 10:25.24 | Imhothar | you play part in the independence war |
| 10:25.34 | Imhothar | and the events that lead up to it |
| 10:25.57 | Imhothar | Black Flag is my favourite when it comes to gameplay though |
| 10:26.13 | Imhothar | after 5 years of doing the same things again and again the pirating aspect was just great |
| 10:26.29 | ZorbaBeta | that's the one where you get to drive a ship around? yeah it sounds pretty dang fun :D |
| 10:26.35 | Imhothar | it is |
| 10:26.58 | Imhothar | abd what does Ubisoft do with all the feedback telling them how great it was? they do the old boring assassin stuff again |
| 10:27.01 | Imhothar | but now in Paris |
| 10:28.07 | Imhothar | and what do they do with the feedback telling them how sick they are of 6 years of almost unchanged gameplay? they change the map from Paris to London in the next part and do the bloody same thing again >.< |
| 10:28.38 | Imhothar | I think they should give AC a break |
| 10:31.06 | ZorbaBeta | it's tough, they're not in an easy situation. they have a cash cow that they kinda need to ride to completion |
| 10:31.21 | ZorbaBeta | but it's unclear if they'll kill it sooner by trying new things or by sticking to the formula |
| 10:31.24 | Imhothar | they have many cash cows |
| 10:31.41 | Imhothar | Far Cry 4 is Far Cry 3 on a different map |
| 10:31.47 | ZorbaBeta | they also spend a lot of money on experimentals. all companies do |
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| 10:32.20 | ZorbaBeta | it wouldn't surprise me if they're sitting on nine figures, in a currency of your choice, of things they tried that just didn't pan out. the successes have to cover for those |
| 10:32.26 | Imhothar | I get the "don't change a running system" thing but people will get tired of it sooner or later |
| 10:32.30 | Imhothar | people already do with AC |
| 10:32.49 | Imhothar | AC Unity sold *worse* than Farming Simulator |
| 10:33.09 | Imhothar | at least in Germany, which may say more about Germany than Ubisoft, but still! |
| 10:33.33 | ZorbaBeta | is that PC-only, or along all platforms? |
| 10:33.40 | Imhothar | dunno |
| 10:33.41 | ZorbaBeta | and I sorta feel like Farming Simulator is one of those black flag events |
| 10:33.44 | ZorbaBeta | like Goat Simulator |
| 10:33.55 | Imhothar | Farming Simulator has been around for a long time |
| 10:34.05 | ZorbaBeta | sure, but its popularity sorta came out of nowhere lately |
| 10:34.11 | Ivnedar | oh man, goat sim is awesome |
| 10:34.12 | Imhothar | who knows |
| 10:34.25 | Imhothar | maybe the city kids just want to run a farm... |
| 10:35.13 | Imhothar | Farming Simulator at least does have a long-running community |
| 10:35.40 | Imhothar | but it wouldn't surprise me if it was only the PC version, which was a *really*'crappy port |
| 10:35.59 | Imhothar | even the console versions have really hard problems staying at 30fps |
| 10:36.12 | ZorbaBeta | yeah they don't have an easy job there |
| 10:36.17 | ZorbaBeta | they want to push the hardware to the limit |
| 10:36.21 | Imhothar | but I wonder how it even comes to this |
| 10:36.27 | ZorbaBeta | but they don't even really know what the hardware *is* until late in the development process |
| 10:36.52 | Imhothar | the hardware was out for quite a while now |
| 10:37.42 | Imhothar | I just don't get it. They release a game that drops below 25fps on a known hardware setup. In the *cinematics*'. The only part of the game wher they have 100% control of what's on screen |
| 10:38.09 | ZorbaBeta | I'd bet money that Unity was under development long before the next console generations were released |
| 10:38.16 | Imhothar | The cinematatics run below 25 on both consoles |
| 10:38.19 | ZorbaBeta | and that's the problem, honestly |
| 10:38.21 | ZorbaBeta | it's the artists |
| 10:38.32 | ZorbaBeta | they see "100% control of what's on screen" and start pushing all the art budgets as hard as they can :P |
| 10:38.45 | ZorbaBeta | at least in gameplay the engineers have an easier time reining them in |
| 10:38.53 | Imhothar | yeah but then someone has to notice "this is stuttering" |
| 10:39.07 | Ivnedar | "That's ok, the engineers will fix that before release!" |
| 10:39.18 | ZorbaBeta | yeah, sometimes it's just not clear how to fix it. or you're busy squashing something else. |
| 10:39.36 | Imhothar | The sad part about this is explaining it to people |
| 10:39.50 | ZorbaBeta | we were very close to having that big city in draumheim be unplayable at release. it's still not as fast as we want :V |
| 10:39.53 | Imhothar | I can't remember how many times I heard critics use the term "badly optimized" when talking about games this year |
| 10:57.20 | Imhothar | anyway, EU4 is awesome |
| 11:01.12 | Ivnedar | it starts! |
| 11:01.23 | Ivnedar | I was trying to work out where the music was coming from ... |
| 11:01.32 | Ivnedar | had it minimised |
| 11:01.54 | Imhothar | just a spinning circle of death here |
| 11:02.23 | Ivnedar | just switched to that for me |
| 11:04.34 | Ivnedar | ooh, video now |
| 11:04.41 | Ivnedar | spacex promo |
| 11:05.02 | Ivnedar | T-00:15:50 |
| 11:05.49 | Ivnedar | geez, 1 second launch window |
| 11:06.15 | ZorbaBeta | yeah not a lot of flex time. go or try again on (as I recall) friday |
| 11:06.31 | Ivnedar | yeah, friday |
| 11:06.37 | Ivnedar | they just mentioned the alternate window |
| 11:09.13 | ZorbaBeta | weather's good, at least |
| 11:09.24 | Ivnedar | yeah, everything's been smooth leading up to it |
| 11:11.13 | Ivnedar | lots of waiting around for them |
| 11:18.35 | ZorbaBeta | goin' well so far |
| 11:18.51 | Ivnedar | pretty amazing how quiet and relaxed it all feels |
| 11:19.03 | ZorbaBeta | gonna hit 50k viewers before launch |
| 11:19.16 | Imhothar | I'm sure lots of hearts are pounding |
| 11:19.33 | Ivnedar | no one wants to say anything in case it jynxes it |
| 11:19.34 | ZorbaBeta | hell I'm not even involved in this rocket and I want it to work |
| 11:19.39 | Ivnedar | same :D |
| 11:19.44 | ZorbaBeta | uhoh :( |
| 11:19.48 | Ivnedar | I want smooth launches to be the expected thing |
| 11:19.53 | Ivnedar | noo |
| 11:20.15 | ZorbaBeta | probably it for tonight :/ |
| 11:20.17 | Imhothar | It's like releasing software. You know it works, you tested it hundreds of times, but it still might fail for reasons you didn't think of |
| 11:20.32 | Ivnedar | I didn't catch what caused the abort call |
| 11:20.38 | ZorbaBeta | neither did I |
| 11:21.52 | Ivnedar | something with the second stage |
| 11:21.58 | Imhothar | too bad |
| 11:22.16 | Imhothar | oh well, back to world conquest |
| 11:22.29 | ZorbaBeta | back to assassin's creed |
| 11:22.34 | Ivnedar | back to fighting bored school kiddies |
| 11:23.00 | Imhothar | I wonder when we reach the point where launching rockets is everyday business just like starting up a car |
| 11:23.11 | Ivnedar | cycling tor exit nodes to harrass irc servers, fun times |
| 11:23.33 | Imhothar | do I want to know? |
| 11:24.49 | Ivnedar | ended up feeding an iptables rule with a dump of the tor exit node list :( |
| 11:25.19 | Imhothar | that's a "no" to me |
| 11:25.22 | Ivnedar | :) |
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