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| 01:03.20 | ZorbaTHut | seebs, as I recall, yes, I was :) the pre-3.x shadow system was "well, I don't have time to do the whole thing, so let's leave it half-finished" |
| 01:03.23 | ZorbaTHut | now the whole thing is done |
| 01:03.47 | ZorbaTHut | the vast majority of shadow-casting objects are rendered only a few times per second, and that only in zones where the sun moves |
| 01:06.28 | ZorbaTHut | oh, and note that the shadow detail options have totally changed. if you're CPU-capped I recommend running on "high", not "ultra" |
| 01:17.33 | borbra | Noshei: why the rollback? |
| 01:18.11 | Noshei | DB issues |
| 01:27.45 | ZorbaTHut | rollbacks suck, wonder what happened :/ |
| 01:29.43 | Ivnedar | hardware outage leading to db corruption apparently |
| 01:29.55 | ZorbaTHut | ouch. that's kind of a worst-case scenario, yep. |
| 01:30.01 | Ivnedar | http://forums.riftgame.com/general-discussions/general-discussion/443077-shard-downtime-faeblight-laethys-wolfsbane.html |
| 01:30.01 | ZorbaTHut | in more comic bug news: http://i.imgur.com/aRGOrwE.jpg |
| 01:30.41 | Noshei | whats that ZorbaTHut? |
| 01:30.55 | ZorbaTHut | noshei, apparently someone fell out of the world thanks to missing geometry and saw that when they looked up |
| 01:31.07 | Noshei | oh nice |
| 01:31.12 | ZorbaTHut | guess the artists forgot to swap in their collision planes :V |
| 01:31.28 | ZorbaTHut | I like the giant smiley faces. It's the next-generation fugly widget. |
| 01:32.14 | Ivnedar | they had that for a few patches in an expert when they added a collision wall but didn't disable its visibility |
| 01:32.20 | Ivnedar | the one with the charging centaurs |
| 01:32.29 | ZorbaTHut | hah, whoops. |
| 01:32.31 | Ivnedar | fight would start, that would appear behind you :D |
| 01:32.54 | ZorbaTHut | I wonder why they have separate visible/invisible versions |
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| 02:08.06 | seebs | so, in the general category of things I cannot say on the forums because it will make more work for the mods... |
| 02:08.28 | seebs | Daglar is doing a heck of a job not losing his shit at people for being stupid. |
| 02:08.32 | seebs | Because this is some truly amazing stupidity. |
| 02:08.54 | seebs | I don't believe I've ever seen people work so hard to turn a word they don't know into a conspiracy theory. |
| 02:21.29 | ZorbaTHut | I can guarantee he's laughing about it with Simon. |
| 02:21.45 | Noshei | well that is good to hear |
| 02:22.20 | seebs | I would hope so. |
| 02:22.22 | seebs | I mean, misreading it as "vulnerable" I could believe. |
| 02:22.36 | seebs | "OMG YOU ADMITTED THE SERVER WAS OLD AND SUBSTANDARD" is sort of... |
| 02:22.54 | seebs | Honestly, I would be half tempted to offer those people a special "Tinfoil Hat" title as compensation for being too stupid. |
| 02:23.11 | seebs | I also really admire all the people freaking out about how the compensation isn't very good. |
| 02:23.31 | seebs | Because as we all know, Trion always finalizes their handling of a problem within the first couple of hours after it's basically resolved. |
| 02:24.20 | Ivnedar | 1 day lost progress = world ending, never going to be able to redo the effort they put in |
| 02:24.30 | Ivnedar | It'll take them months to redo that day's worth of effort! |
| 02:24.34 | seebs | i liked "what about the value of my time?!?!" |
| 02:24.54 | seebs | like, if you are concerned about the value of your time, should you really be playing an MMO? |
| 02:25.09 | Ivnedar | lol, I was thinking that when I first started reading the thread |
| 02:26.02 | Ivnedar | "Your local files cannot be upraded to the current version. A full re-download is required. Do you want to continue?" |
| 02:26.13 | Ivnedar | well, there goes my motivation to play Rift today :( |
| 02:26.38 | Noshei | Ivnedar: that popup is a lie |
| 02:26.51 | Noshei | just click yes, it will just download the patch |
| 02:27.26 | ZorbaTHut | bah, we were hoping users wouldn't end up seeing that glitch :/ |
| 02:27.37 | seebs | I believe there was a brief window where it said that and actually busted something, then it got better and now it's just a lie. |
| 02:27.46 | ZorbaTHut | we had a hiccup in the build process that caused that. it doesn't seem to ever actually require a full re-download, but the message sucks |
| 02:27.49 | Ivnedar | I feel bad for the people who transferred to faeblight in the last day |
| 02:28.38 | Ivnedar | that feeling of "my character isn't where I moved it to, nor is it where it was. Oh no ..." |
| 02:28.53 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, that sucks |
| 02:28.58 | ZorbaTHut | good news is that it's *very* easy to recover on our end |
| 02:29.18 | Ivnedar | Yeah, I was sure it would be, but that initial feeling would suck |
| 02:29.26 | ZorbaTHut | yup, no argument there |
| 02:29.29 | seebs | One time Faeblight showed up with no characters. |
| 02:29.30 | seebs | So I made one. |
| 02:29.43 | Noshei | I'm really interested in the actual specifics of what cause the entire problem |
| 02:29.54 | seebs | When F2P happened and we could have more character slots, I had 7 characters on Faeblight. |
| 02:30.48 | ZorbaTHut | noshei, which, the rollback issue? |
| 02:30.58 | Noshei | well yeah |
| 02:31.13 | ZorbaTHut | daglar said it was a hardware failure and I have no reason to disbelieve that |
| 02:31.33 | Noshei | I'm more wondering what hardware failed and and the why and how it effected multiple servers |
| 02:31.41 | seebs | Someone on the forums said they thought someone found an exploit, so those three shards had to be taken down until it could be fixed. I... did not find this persuasive. |
| 02:32.12 | Ivnedar | Given the others weren't down for that period and didn't have the rollback |
| 02:32.26 | Noshei | I'm a hardware guy, so I like to know that kind of information. |
| 02:32.41 | ZorbaTHut | server clusters may share a database - I'm not sure exactly where the lines are, but at the very least, if they share an auction house and can visit each other ingame, they're on the same database |
| 02:33.01 | seebs | I thought all the NA shards could visit each other. |
| 02:33.08 | ZorbaTHut | hmm, can they? maybe things changed a bit then |
| 02:33.16 | Ivnedar | yeah, single cluster for NA now |
| 02:33.32 | ZorbaTHut | maybe the backend's a bit more complicated than I was thinking :V |
| 03:28.07 | Noshei | ugg |
| 03:28.33 | Noshei | so one of the new puzzles is a "combination lock" |
| 03:28.57 | Noshei | you have 5 orbs, each orb can be any or 7 different colors |
| 03:29.07 | Noshei | s/or/of/ |
| 03:29.07 | Ivnedar | ah, mastermind? |
| 03:29.29 | Noshei | and you get 10 guesses to solve it |
| 03:30.02 | Noshei | and there are little orbs that tell you if you have any correct and in the right position or correct, but in the wrong position |
| 03:30.54 | Noshei | there is an achievement for solving it with 5 or less guesses |
| 03:31.27 | Noshei | freakin 462 possible combinations and you have to get it in 5! |
| 03:32.56 | Noshei | I feel like I've seen something like this before, I just dont know where. |
| 03:35.22 | Ivnedar | it's called mastermind |
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| 05:56.22 | Ivnedar | uuv |
| 05:56.33 | Ivnedar | thanks youbikey :) |
| 07:19.34 | ZorbaTHut | sigh. we used to have cat beds for our cats. then we realized they wanted to snuggle with each other, so we got small dog beds for them. |
| 07:20.02 | ZorbaTHut | then it turned out our cats are apparently half mountain lion. now only one cat fits in a "small dog bed" at a time. And they still want to snuggle. We need to buy a medium dog bed for our cats. >_< |
| 07:20.38 | Imhothar | should have read the item description before buying them ;) |
| 07:21.20 | ZorbaTHut | sadly the item description was "stray cat, no warranty" :V |
| 07:45.11 | seebs | CatCircles. |
| 07:45.33 | seebs | The minion quest titles are awesome. |
| 07:45.35 | seebs | "Bartend for Water Elementals". |
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| 07:50.55 | ZorbaTHut | our designers did a fantastic job on those |
| 07:51.40 | ZorbaTHut | oh, since you're here, http://www.raikoth.net/Stuff/story1.html strikes me as the kind of short story you'd enjoy :) |
| 08:18.49 | seebs | I will have to read it in the morning it is late and I am sleepy. |
| 08:19.03 | seebs | I was only up this late because I wanted to run a thing that I thought would take an hour or two less than it has. |
| 08:19.13 | seebs | I've got a minecraft server, my friends love exploring, and I am researching the possibility of marking particular chunks we have Stuff in so that we can wipe out the parts of the world we aren't using and have them regenerated with a recently-updated biome generation thing. |
| 08:19.27 | seebs | And it turns out that the library underlying mcedit is painfully inefficient for the strategy I'm using, or something. |
| 08:19.37 | seebs | In retrospect, the right answer is to flag whether any region contains at least one chunk I wish to save, so it doesn't rewrite every region 1000 times while deleting chunks. |
| 08:19.51 | seebs | Also my laptop is nearly done patching so I can play both accounts in Extra Life. :P |
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| 20:45.55 | seebs | zorba, that was a fascinating science fiction story. |
| 23:29.39 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, it's a clever idea |
