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| 14:48.10 | Noshei | ZorbaBeta: how does this visual scripting work? http://riftgrate.files.wordpress.com/2014/10/nightmare-tide-puzzle-scripting.jpg?w=630&h=372 |
| 14:48.30 | Noshei | I mean in general, not this specific one |
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| 17:49.35 | seebs | Huh, fascinating. The desk top has been sent, a day later than the frame, but is expected to be here sooner. |
| 17:55.35 | ZorbaBeta | noshei, basically, there are several types of hidden entities that do game-logicy things, like timers or sequences or conditionals. the artists drop those in the world and connect them in order to make things happen |
| 17:55.41 | ZorbaBeta | what you can't see there are all the hidden links |
| 17:56.47 | Noshei | ah ok that makes sense |
| 17:57.10 | Imhothar | Entity Component Systems ftw |
| 17:59.07 | ZorbaBeta | yeah they're really nice |
| 17:59.31 | Noshei | These are the kind of things I would love to be able to actually see in the game |
| 17:59.34 | Imhothar | we had a very heated discussion in the office today how to design our rendering pipeline using an ES |
| 18:00.09 | Imhothar | people could hear us through 2 quite thick walls |
| 18:00.12 | ZorbaBeta | they're pretty boring in this case, there's usually just a big array of them (like that one) sitting off to the side of any major encounter |
| 18:00.38 | ZorbaBeta | in order to see anything interesting you have to dig through all of them to see what they do. and unfortunately they are never documented |
| 18:01.10 | Imhothar | and probably not visible to the client either? |
| 18:01.26 | ZorbaBeta | yup. don't think they're even sent down to the client |
| 18:02.17 | Imhothar | well, tomorrow is national holiday and the CppCon videos are getting out now, so it's gonna be a long and busy weekend |
| 18:02.34 | ZorbaBeta | we've had debug objects in the game occasionally. originally they were just random entities the designer would put in and then theoretically remember to take out, but they forgot way too often |
| 18:03.01 | ZorbaBeta | later we introduced the Fugly Widget - http://everquest.allakhazam.com/Im/image/208540 - in the hopes that people would stop forgetting |
| 18:03.11 | ZorbaBeta | at this point we have special-purpose code so that release clients never render fugly widgets :V |
| 18:04.19 | Noshei | lol |
| 18:07.38 | Noshei | so zorba when are they going to offocially change rift from the gamebryo engine to the zorbaTHut engine? |
| 18:07.59 | Imhothar | When he buys the company? |
| 18:08.09 | Imhothar | But that I mean Trion of course |
| 18:08.29 | Imhothar | Hmm that was way funnier in my head |
| 18:11.23 | Noshei | ZorbaBeta: is the visual programming in rift provided as part of a game engine? or is it something extra that was added in? |
| 18:16.00 | ZorbaBeta | the Gamebryo functionality is pretty much limited to animation, scenegraph layout, rendering, and serialization. Everything past that, including all game logic, is our creation |
| 18:16.30 | ZorbaBeta | and the rendering has been mostly replaced by now |
| 18:18.28 | Imhothar | so it *is* the ZorbaEngine now |
| 18:18.31 | Noshei | so the underlying system that allows for the visual programmins was created in house then? |
| 18:19.03 | ZorbaBeta | yep, that's all our stuff |
| 18:19.58 | Noshei | ah I wasn't sure if something else was added for that purpose. Just doing some googling on visual game programming and I got a lot of hits for unity |
| 18:21.03 | ZorbaBeta | UE4's blueprint system is kind of the gold standard right now |
| 18:21.11 | ZorbaBeta | (and aside from some irritating quirks, it's really good) |
| 18:21.19 | Imhothar | and a pretty old concept too |
| 18:21.36 | ZorbaBeta | it's a very old concept but it's very, very hard to do well |
| 18:21.50 | Noshei | I wish there were ways to do more programming visually, instead of textually |
| 18:22.04 | Noshei | I think you would see a lot more people learning programming that way. |
| 18:22.04 | Imhothar | I remember the first time I saw it was in Quartz Composer and it worked really well |
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| 19:56.25 | Noshei | ugg |
| 19:56.33 | Noshei | can't get into the pts |
| 19:56.44 | Noshei | I load in and the game crashes |
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| 23:52.29 | Noshei | NT pushed back 2 weeks |
| 23:52.39 | Ivnedar_ | yes! |
| 23:52.48 | Ivnedar_ | thankyou for taking on board my concerns ZorbaBeta |
| 23:53.43 | Noshei | Ivnedar_: what concerns? |
| 23:53.59 | Ivnedar_ | that my 2 weeks annual leave was starting 2 weeks after their announced release date |
| 23:54.37 | Noshei | lol |
| 23:55.04 | Noshei | ZorbaBeta: does this mean you can get some api work done for launch now!?!?! |
