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| 00:34.44 | ZorbaTHut | baanano, huh, curious, I thought it actually was a nightly process. Well, I might be totally wrong. |
| 00:35.35 | ZorbaTHut | hrm, are the 7-day auctions available yet? |
| 00:35.55 | Baanano | yes |
| 00:36.00 | ZorbaTHut | and is that . a decimal point or is it indicating thousands? :V |
| 00:36.33 | ZorbaTHut | re: 7-day auctions, there's probably a bug on live with the auction API - "24-hour" auctions will be interpreted as 48-hour, "48-hour" will be interpreted as 7-day |
| 00:37.09 | ZorbaTHut | this will be fixed in the next version, and 24-hour auctions will be silently promoted up to 48-hour in an attempt to avoid breaking addons. Sorry for a bit of a mess on this one. |
| 00:38.00 | Baanano | is the thousand separator, I forgot you use commas for that, I've changed it for today (still processing the data) |
| 00:39.21 | ZorbaTHut | definitely interesting stats - I assume we have similar stats but I've never seen 'em :V |
| 00:42.32 | Baanano | those results are consistent on low populated shards; on high populated shards they aren't that bad |
| 00:43.42 | Baanano | "bad" meaning the AH is eating plat at a ~25% rate |
| 00:45.51 | Baanano | these are Faeblight US results -> http://pastebin.com/tSRD6qQE |
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| 01:16.40 | ZorbaTHut | looks like the sold volume has actually increased |
| 01:16.51 | ZorbaTHut | is that counting buy orders also, or just posts? |
| 01:19.29 | Baanano | sold volume counts both (is the volume from price history) |
| 02:38.35 | Ivnedar | I really don't understand the mentality of "where to sell my junk" with the ah |
| 03:01.45 | Baanano | most that junk are artifacts, and I guess people put them on the AH because, well, somebody could want them and they are (were) cheap to list with little effort |
| 03:09.19 | Ivnedar | I guess I look at the artifacts as "The likelihood of this selling is practically 0, the gain I get if it does sell is close to 0. It's not worth the effort" |
| 03:18.44 | seebs | I was making hundreds of plat on artifacts. |
| 03:19.21 | seebs | Ohhhh. The comma/period thing had confused me, I thought those numbers were mostly under 50 or so and then suddenly 975... |
| 03:20.30 | seebs | Glibness is in some ways less broken in 5e than PF, but still pretty solid. Also 8th level. |
| 04:01.20 | Ivnedar | huh, I wonder if someone could replace the ah for brokering trade deals |
| 04:01.28 | Ivnedar | have an addon that you list items in |
| 04:01.36 | Ivnedar | and it broadcasts those to other people running that addon |
| 04:01.54 | Ivnedar | people could list things they're selling with prices, others could filter or browse stuff they want |
| 04:02.00 | Ivnedar | then track down the person in game to buy it |
| 04:03.02 | ZorbaTHut | ivnedar, overall, I'm not sure it would be worthwhile for people to run it just to save a little on listing costs and add a bunch of trading annoyance |
| 04:03.32 | ZorbaTHut | and it's hard to imagine how it would gain enough network-effect traction to get going |
| 04:03.57 | Ivnedar | they seems to be moving to trade chat, cross events, cross trade at the moment |
| 04:04.25 | Ivnedar | but that doesn't work for someone wanting to sell a lot of things |
| 04:04.31 | ZorbaTHut | I give it a month at best before the majority move back to the auction house :P |
| 04:04.37 | Ivnedar | ok :) |
| 04:04.58 | Ivnedar | so we've got the sales fee back now? |
| 04:05.01 | ZorbaTHut | seriously, trade channels *suck*. nobody likes using 'em. even path of exile's trading system survives only by virtue of third-party search systems |
| 04:05.25 | Ivnedar | pay listing fee when listing, if it doesn't sell, forfeit listing fee, if it sells, you get that fee back then get sale price minus ah cut? |
| 04:05.50 | ZorbaTHut | I actually have no idea how that system works, sorry to say |
| 04:06.07 | Ivnedar | it seems to have changed a couple of times since the ah change |
| 04:06.55 | Ivnedar | I was thinking that if we had the ah data, an external site could be made for people to list stuff they have for sale or craft |
| 04:09.19 | Ivnedar | I'm trying to think of "more appropriate" places for people listing long term stuff than the ah |
| 04:09.46 | seebs | The main thing the AH is going to suck at will be things where demand is highly-erratic. |
| 04:09.55 | seebs | But at 5%/week instead of 5%/2-days, it's at least plausible. |
| 04:10.51 | Ivnedar | I had a thought that there could be a dimension item that could be configured as a vendor by the dimension owner :P |
| 04:11.00 | Ivnedar | but that would be a credit sale thing and people would explode over it |
| 04:11.14 | Ivnedar | browse market place dimensions |
| 04:11.17 | Ivnedar | that'd be awesome :D |
| 04:30.08 | Baanano | i expect the real sink rate to be around 20%, 5% paid by successfull sellers, 15% paid by failed auctions |
| 04:31.02 | Baanano | that 15% is the risk players are perceiving and why they don't like the new AH |
| 04:32.03 | seebs | Well, for a lot of items, my old cost was 5%+several gold. |
| 04:32.05 | seebs | Or less. |
| 04:32.52 | Baanano | moving the full 20 % to post sale fees as people request would be too much, but maybe it could be moved to 10 % / 10 %, reducing the risk and keeping the same sink rate |
| 04:33.34 | seebs | There's a biasing effect right now, because we'll likely see much lower listing fee sink rate in effect from people whose items are likely to take a long time to sell choosing not to list them. |
| 04:36.34 | Baanano | there's also the problem that, unlike before, the sink rate & risk aren't evenly distributed among item categories, crafting mats being safer to trade and dimension items/artifacts/gear being riskier |
| 04:37.57 | seebs | Yeah. |
| 04:38.08 | seebs | Artifacts actually used to be *safer* because 1s listing fee. |
| 04:38.57 | Baanano | i believe low cost are artifacts are still safe to list, and you can make good profit from them because of volume |
| 04:39.35 | Baanano | but expensive artifacts (unstables & bounties) are not viable to sell through the ah anymore |
| 05:02.07 | seebs | Yeah. |
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| 19:51.57 | seebs | Oh, that's an interesting thought. |
| 19:52.04 | seebs | A discussion of cutting the deposits to *relist* an item. |
| 20:24.05 | Baanano | yep, Daglar said he was going to propose it to the engineers |
| 20:26.32 | Baanano | i don't see the point on doing that, because you don't have access to the AH from the mail, so either you use an addon to view current prices and decide yours, write down which items have expired, check their proces and come back to relist, or if you have bad memory you have to go the ah and back every few items |
| 20:27.49 | Baanano | iirc, Gingers also said they were considering expanding the ah-mail interface to allow people browsing the ah from the mail when relisting |
| 20:29.23 | Baanano | at that point, what's the difference between the ah and mail relist? why would you buy credit-expensive portable auctioneers when you have the portable mailbox perk that is easy to get? |
| 20:30.58 | seebs | Perhaps the idea is, you pay less to leave it up for a long time at a given price, more to change prices. |
| 20:32.04 | Baanano | dunno, i believe that's adding unneeded complexity to the process |
| 20:32.11 | seebs | Probably. |
| 20:32.28 | seebs | I'm still not quite sure of the benefit of shifting the cost to listing fee rather than sale. |
| 20:34.23 | Baanano | i prefer the old system, even if the sale fee has to be increased to address the need for a plat sink, but I can't see Daglar changing his mind |
| 20:41.33 | Baanano | back to the mail relist topic, why would they allow us to relist junk for free when one of the intended goals was said to be that we don't list junk? |
| 20:45.09 | seebs | I think it was "for lower" not "for free". Not sure, though. |
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| 23:37.44 | Baanano | tyrannos has closed the big ah thread :( |