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| 20:31.25 | Noshei | yay me, I just paid $120 so I can put 6 letters and a hyphen on my resume |
| 20:31.42 | Imhothar1 | ? |
| 20:32.19 | Noshei | http://mylearn.vmware.com/mgrReg/plan.cfm?plan=41162&ui=www_cert |
| 20:32.24 | Noshei | I just did that cert |
| 20:32.51 | Imhothar1 | ugh⦠|
| 20:38.03 | Imhothar1 | I wonder what justifies the price tag |
| 20:40.25 | ZorbaGama | supply and demand. they have the supply, so whatever they want, they can demand. |
| 20:44.54 | Noshei | ^pretty much |
| 20:45.22 | Noshei | sad t hing is that is is their lowest level cert and it pretty much means nothing, since if can be done online from home |
| 21:15.51 | ZorbaGama | I think a lot of those certs are basically fizzbuzz certificates |
| 21:15.59 | Imhothar | certainly |
| 21:16.36 | Noshei | no clue that that means |
| 21:17.23 | ZorbaGama | http://imranontech.com/2007/01/24/using-fizzbuzz-to-find-developers-who-grok-coding/ |
| 21:18.10 | ZorbaGama | it's essentially an absolute lowest-possible-threshold competency test. it turns out a surprising number of people fail these :( |
| 21:18.45 | ZorbaGama | the point where, if your solution was "I literally googled the questions and pasted the answers in", you're still probably better than a good number of peers |
| 21:18.59 | ZorbaGama | (although I've actually seen someone win money off that solution, so, hey) |
| 21:22.28 | Noshei | yeah I could sorta see how that applys |
| 21:23.01 | Noshei | though it is a bit more difficult to apply to systems administration, sorta |
| 21:30.31 | Imhothar | I certainly wouldn't care about any coding certificates if I was hiring a programmer |
| 21:39.52 | Noshei | I look at certs of more a way to set my self apart from others |
| 21:40.28 | Noshei | it might not be something that is a major consideration in hiring, but it could be that one thing that puts me a head of another person |
| 21:44.39 | seebs | It turns out fizzbuzz is easy to get wrong, even for somewhat competent programmers. |
| 21:44.50 | seebs | But the gap between "can even approximate it" and "nope, I've got nothing" is huge. |
| 21:45.05 | seebs | I saw it come by at one point on a Ruby mailing list so I contributed a particularly bad answer. |
| 21:45.14 | seebs | Which was some setup code, followed by: |
| 21:45.23 | seebs | 1.upto(100) do |x| puts x end |
| 21:45.39 | seebs | ... I had, of course, altered the base numeric type to do the FizzBuzz conversions. |
| 21:58.15 | ZorbaGama | https://codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/88/obfuscated-fizzbuzz-golf there's some pretty funny ones in here |
| 21:58.26 | ZorbaGama | my favorite so far: puts (0..99).map{|i|srand(46308667)if(i%15==0);["FizzBuzz","Buzz",i+1,"Fizz"][rand(4)]} |
| 21:59.45 | seebs | That's brilliant. |
| 22:03.50 | Imhothar | it is impressive |
| 22:03.59 | Imhothar | wonder how long it took to find that seed |
| 22:14.09 | seebs | I would guess it took roughly 46,308,668 tries. |
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| 23:22.04 | ZorbaTHut | yay, psu replaced |