| 00:36.11 | Ivnedar | so I assume we're not meant to be using glyph for anything other than trove at this point |
| 06:04.18 | Amadeus- | ZorbaBeta, yesterday you said something about "dreamweaving" or "dreamweaver" being one word ...but, on the patcher it says "introducing the Dream Weaver" as two words. ..I just saw it :) |
| 06:12.35 | seebs | I think Zorba was talking about addon API categories. |
| 06:17.57 | Amadeus- | I suppose that's possible ...but item categories within the API do have multiple words |
| 06:18.04 | Amadeus- | i.e., ["crafting material butcher"] |
| 06:22.42 | seebs | Yes, but each individual part is a single word. |
| 06:22.50 | seebs | So "crafting material dreamweaver", not "crafting material dream weaver". |
| 06:58.20 | seebs | ZorbaBeta, I would really love to know why the Trove people are unable to make even a config file for keybindings and such. It's very strange. |
| 06:59.53 | ZorbaBeta | "unable" is often a good PR-friendly way of saying "not worth it". "not worth it" can include just about anything - it may be that for some reason their system is just not built to make it easy. |
| 07:14.53 | seebs | Yeah. It just seems odd, because UI key binding choices are such a very important feature for some users. |
| 07:15.18 | seebs | One of my friends wants to try Trove, but physically can't use it until it has keybinding, because Unusual Problems. |
| 07:16.33 | ZorbaBeta | it's one of those things that's actually more difficult than you would think. it wouldn't surprise me if they just started out with hardcoded key bindings, and right now "add key bindings everywhere" is likely lower priority than everything else :/ |
| 07:26.48 | seebs | That seems likely. |
| 07:26.57 | seebs | I did once read an article on why it was so ridiculously hard. |
| 07:27.14 | seebs | Okay, so, not related to anything else, but. |
| 07:27.41 | seebs | Imagine that you went to a blog, and the blog's description of its author was: |
| 07:27.42 | seebs | Demisexual / GMOkin / Libertarian / Anti-Vaxxer / Pro-Life / Vegan / Advocate for Men's Rights against Female Tyranny / Crystal Healer / Magjyick User/ Transethnic Brony / Ageist Gaslighting Survivor / TransCisgender Buttqueen / CAKAB / White Tear Vampire / Suicide Truth Bomber / Princex of the Breatharian Nation / Japanophile / ToonKin / Multiple / Tulpa Orgy Coordinator |
| 07:27.53 | seebs | Our pronouns are cis/cissy/cisself and you can either use them or SHOOT YOURSELF IN THE BRAIN WITH GUNS! |
| 07:27.54 | seebs | We are the righteous who fight against oppression and this is our safe space. |
| 07:27.56 | seebs | Why are you triggering yourself. Why are you triggering yourself. Why are you triggering yourself. Why are you triggering yourself |
| 07:27.59 | seebs | ... |
| 07:28.14 | seebs | So, imagine that you've seen this on someone's blog as their "about the author". |
| 07:28.38 | seebs | Do you think it would be reasonable to jump on the stupidity of being anti-vaccine as evidence that they are not a credible source and should not be listened to? |
| 07:29.09 | seebs | Because my *intuitive* reading would be "this looks like it is a joke". |
| 07:31.47 | ZorbaBeta | yep, I'd read it the same way. Although I'm curious where you're going with this :V |
| 07:33.17 | seebs | Well. |
| 07:33.27 | seebs | That's the blog sidebar of a friend of mine. |
| 07:33.57 | seebs | Someone jumped on them for the anti-vax stuff, and when I asked whether they were quite sure they'd read the whole list and thought about it, they further explained that also my friend is clearly not a *real* libertarian. |
| 07:34.26 | seebs | Eventually, after two or three more people explained that it was satire, they revealed that they had known this all along. |
| 07:35.06 | seebs | ... I don't actually believe them for a moment, mind. But they claimed it. |
| 07:35.09 | seebs | It was sort of surreal. |
| 07:36.42 | ZorbaBeta | yeah that's kinda weird :V |
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| 13:09.41 | Ivnedar | roflmao, wife just got the [Tito Approved!] achievement, it sends her a mail with the reward in it |
| 13:09.49 | Ivnedar | the mail censored Tito as **** |
| 13:11.04 | Schalla | :D |
| 13:11.27 | Schalla | These filters are always pretty confusing. |
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| 13:21.18 | Ivnedar | I'm always amused when they're applied to Trion text |
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| 18:07.51 | seebs | Now I am wondering what I missed, because in my world, Ivnedar's "I'm always amused when they're applied to Trion text" was nearly 6 hours from the last time anyone said anything. |
| 18:22.57 | fewyn | [09:09:41] (Ivnedar) roflmao, wife just got the [Tito Approved!] achievement, it sends her a mail with the reward in it |
| 18:22.57 | fewyn | [09:09:49] (Ivnedar) the mail censored Tito as **** |
| 18:22.57 | fewyn | [09:11:04] (Schalla) :D |
| 18:22.57 | fewyn | [09:11:27] (Schalla) These filters are always pretty confusing. |
| 18:23.26 | fewyn | the joys of never disconnecting from IRC unless my vps goes down |
| 18:33.01 | seebs | Ahh, yes. |
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| 20:21.44 | Schalla | The channel is pretty much dead in general, isn't it? |
| 20:22.44 | Amadeus- | this one? As it pertains to addon development, it is fairly dead ...but, with regard to discussions in general, it's still relatively active depending on the day |
| 20:25.47 | Schalla | Ah alright, thanks for the info. :) Are there btw any reasons why you can not output data to textfiles / create http requests? The http requests may be understandable, to avoid any addons who abuse that. |
| 20:39.55 | Imhothar | it makes live communication between the client and an external program possible |
| 20:43.43 | Amadeus- | North American culture, in general, frowns on anything that can remotely be interpreted as cheating. |
| 20:45.43 | Schalla | Imhothar, indeed, but wouldn't that allow better addons? |
| 20:45.45 | Amadeus- | our culture, for whatever reason, also obsesses more over copyright than most. ....it's a generalization, of course, but in my experiences in the music/publishing industry, that's been my observation |
| 20:45.55 | Imhothar | it would |
| 20:45.57 | Amadeus- | Schalla, see my statement |
| 20:46.00 | Imhothar | it would also allow better bots |
| 20:46.04 | Schalla | True. |
| 20:46.51 | Schalla | Amadeus-, true. :) |
| 20:47.16 | Schalla | I had quite a lot ideas - and they all got lost when I realized what the API is limited to^^ |
| 20:48.55 | Amadeus- | When there is something I wanted to export, I just printed it to a large window in the addon and let the user copy/paste. |
| 20:50.09 | Schalla | That's true. I havn't looked that much yet into the possibilities. |
| 21:06.20 | seebs | Schalla: It's not dead, just slow and asynchronous. |
| 21:07.09 | seebs | As with most IRC channels, the usual strategy is to stay logged in 24/7, post questions, and check back 8 hours later in case of answers. |
| 21:07.53 | seebs | And yes, it's intentional that we can't do network communications and the like. The addon framework is designed with priority #1 being not damaging the game or the addon users. So, nothing that can result in privacy violations, etc., is generally allowed. |
| 21:25.18 | ZorbaBeta | seen at GDC: 4k 60hz monitor with gsync. I want that thing. |
| 21:35.59 | seebs | Wow. |
| 21:36.11 | seebs | I still remember thinking that a 1024x1024 monitor would be incredible. |
| 21:37.54 | Schalla | seebs: Yeah, that makes sense. |
| 21:44.54 | Amadeus- | I could never get used to multiple monitors ....so, I use one of those top of the line Dell 30 |
| 21:44.58 | Amadeus- | I could never get used to multiple monitors ....so, I use one of those top of the line Dell 30" monitors |
| 21:45.42 | ZorbaBeta | yeah, I use the HP equivalent of that |
| 21:50.20 | Amadeus- | my funniest hardware thing is that I got used to a particular (generic) keyboard back in like 1999 ...and have been using the same one since |
| 21:50.29 | Amadeus- | last time I needed one it was hard to find ..so I bought like 20 of them |
| 21:50.44 | Amadeus- | I use them until the ink on the keys wears off completely |
| 21:51.11 | Imhothar | what was that thing about adaptation and survival? |
| 21:57.11 | Schalla | Amadeus-: Using one 24" and one 23", it is really helpful if you programm. |
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| 22:16.22 | seebs | I use multiple monitors for some things. |
| 22:16.49 | seebs | Life got better when fullscreen-windowed became A Thing, because now I can have Rift up in non-window-decoration mode, and still have a shell available. |
| 22:17.15 | seebs | I do have one of those 30" HPs, love it to bits. I also have one of the 27", and an "auria" 27-inch which cost about half as much, and has some advantages and some disadvantages. |
| 22:17.39 | seebs | Weird thing about the HPs: They work only at native resolution, half resolution, and 640x480. No scaling hardware for, say, 1920x1200 or whatever. |
| 22:20.26 | ZorbaBeta | yeah, the hardware required to do scaling of that sort, in realtime, is expensive. they decided people probably wouldn't want it and removed it to save on cost |
| 22:20.31 | ZorbaBeta | same reason they don't have an onscreen display |
| 22:23.34 | seebs | It's expensive, but also apparently *slow*. |
| 22:25.10 | ZorbaBeta | hah, ue4 has a define for KINDA_SMALL_NUMBER |
| 22:25.17 | ZorbaBeta | (it's 1e-4) |