| 00:15.23 | seebs | Oh, interesting, Empyreal sourcestones are gone now, it's just all infinity stones. |
| 00:16.26 | seebs | Although with an annoying misfeature wherein (1) you can only convert them using a voucher (2) the voucher only does multiples of 35, so you can't ever get rid of the rest, (3) the voucher is only visible if you check all four class boxes on the vendor interface. |
| 00:17.07 | Noshei | ah seebs, that explains why I didn't see it |
| 00:53.34 | Ivnedar | interesting license model for unreal engine 4 |
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| 02:01.18 | ZorbaBeta | well. epic's certainly shaking up the game industry today. |
| 02:01.42 | Imhothar | ugh? |
| 02:02.00 | ZorbaBeta | Unreal Engine 4 is available for license, full source, $20/mo (plus royalties) |
| 02:02.03 | Ivnedar | cryotek followed suite straight after |
| 02:02.07 | Ivnedar | 5% royalties |
| 02:02.14 | Ivnedar | you can opt in and out at any time |
| 02:02.22 | ZorbaBeta | they just took a six-figure engine and made it available for any schmuck off the street. With *source*. I mean. Holy shit. That's huge. |
| 02:02.32 | Ivnedar | if you're not paying your monthly fee, you get no updates, but can keep using what you have (as long as you keep paying the 5%) |
| 02:02.45 | Ivnedar | http://www.cryengine.com/news/crytek-announces-its-cryengine-as-a-service-program |
| 02:03.06 | ZorbaBeta | I don't believe cryengine includes source, note |
| 02:03.08 | Ivnedar | royalty free, $10/mo |
| 02:03.17 | ZorbaBeta | but yeah, no royalties on it |
| 02:03.37 | Ivnedar | I do wonder who went first |
| 02:03.39 | Imhothar | heh isn't it funny how crytek refers to itself on its own news page as "Game developer and publisher Crytek..." |
| 02:03.43 | Ivnedar | both seemed to line up with gdc |
| 02:03.52 | ZorbaBeta | there's no way this was a reactionary thing |
| 02:03.58 | ZorbaBeta | you'd never get it through legal in less than a month |
| 02:04.18 | Ivnedar | More likely leaked from one side months ago that they were doing this |
| 02:04.23 | Ivnedar | would be close to impossible to keep a secret |
| 02:04.27 | ZorbaBeta | well . . . without source, maybe. Crytek *might* have been reactionary. |
| 02:04.49 | ZorbaBeta | the funny thing is I was about a week away from probably licensing Unity Pro for home work |
| 02:04.53 | ZorbaBeta | I suspect I am not doing that anymore |
| 02:04.56 | Ivnedar | :D |
| 02:05.11 | Ivnedar | so, rift 3.0 on unreal engine 4? |
| 02:05.12 | ZorbaBeta | man, I wonder what Unity's response is going to be. Their big announcement was "unity 5, now you have to pay for it again" |
| 02:05.13 | Ivnedar | coughs |
| 02:05.30 | ZorbaBeta | I suspect we'd have trouble integrating it, and even more trouble convincing the powers that be to fork over 5% royalties :V |
| 02:05.38 | Ivnedar | I was about to mention the 5% :) |
| 02:06.16 | ZorbaBeta | I'm gonna read over the intellectual property stuff very very carefully though |
| 02:06.27 | ZorbaBeta | because I would *happily* pay $20 to look over their rendering code |
| 02:06.59 | Ivnedar | I imagine they'd frown upon copy and pasting from their source |
| 02:07.05 | ZorbaBeta | oh, definitely, not doing that |
| 02:07.19 | ZorbaBeta | but there's a big gap between copy/pasting and "oh, *that's* how they did that! I can totally do the same thing in our engine" |
| 02:07.24 | Ivnedar | *nod* |
| 02:07.35 | Ivnedar | would that sort of thing be patented? |
| 02:07.44 | Ivnedar | *gags @ software patents* |
| 02:07.58 | ZorbaBeta | Maybe, maybe not. |
| 02:08.59 | Ivnedar | I'm tempted to pay $20 to read it myself |
| 02:09.09 | Ivnedar | not that I'd ever have any use for it, more a curiousity |
| 02:10.15 | ZorbaBeta | I am still having a hard time believing it's full source :P |
| 02:10.50 | Ivnedar | would be a lot of cringing about the CEO's statements then |
| 02:11.09 | ZorbaBeta | yeah, I don't doubt it is. it's just so difficult to believe. if that makes sense. |
| 02:11.19 | Ivnedar | *nod* |
| 02:12.04 | Ivnedar | I do wonder how that'll affect the industry though. If there's even less reason to build your own engine, you'd have less focus on hiring those types of people |
| 02:12.17 | Ivnedar | go into it knowing about the 5% weighed against the shifted efforts |
| 02:12.24 | Ivnedar | for more indie than AAA |
| 02:12.34 | ZorbaBeta | conversely, the fact that it's full source available means that a good coder can get in there and make any effect you want |
| 02:12.42 | Ivnedar | *nod* |
| 02:12.46 | ZorbaBeta | that's one thing I hated about Unity - there were things I just couldn't do. In theory, I can hack Unreal to do anything. |
| 02:13.14 | Ivnedar | you then have to track the changes coming in from epic against your own |
| 02:13.18 | Ivnedar | unless you're feeding them back |
| 02:13.27 | ZorbaBeta | it's a git repo, though |
| 02:13.32 | ZorbaBeta | that makes merging relatively easy |
| 02:14.44 | Ivnedar | I guess I was worried that years down the track, the local hacks to the source would get rather numerous if you're able to make them |
| 02:15.03 | ZorbaBeta | sure, you wouldn't want to build them up over a long period of time if you could avoid it |
| 02:15.14 | ZorbaBeta | but worst-case you just stop updating the engine |
| 02:15.24 | ZorbaBeta | rift relies on multi-year-old versions of some packages just because we can never ever update them |
| 02:16.12 | Ivnedar | that's what I had in mind :D |
| 02:16.39 | Ivnedar | I imagine it'd be impossible to move to latest gamebryo now |
| 02:17.38 | ZorbaBeta | I think we tried to update just one subversion, then gave up. And that was *before* I gutted and rebuilt the rendering pathway. |
| 02:18.48 | Ivnedar | hrrm, some people commenting that this doesn't stop a AAA studio from buying royalty free licenses |
| 02:19.17 | ZorbaBeta | yep, true, though that's probably the six-figure option |
| 02:19.26 | ZorbaBeta | great if you're planning on selling ten million bucks of game |
| 02:19.32 | Ivnedar | much better than a 7-8 figure option at 5% |
| 02:19.34 | Ivnedar | yeah |
| 02:20.00 | Ivnedar | hrrm, I wonder if that includes the mobile engine |
| 02:20.05 | ZorbaBeta | pretty much all of these revenue-sharing deals come with a cap, either explicit or implicit |
| 02:20.08 | Ivnedar | that could mean some rather interesting mobile games |
| 02:20.11 | ZorbaBeta | it apparently comes with all ports, including mobile |
| 02:20.17 | Ivnedar | awesome |
| 02:20.32 | ZorbaBeta | it is the 100% complete engine, all ports, all tools, all integration with other libraries (those libraries may not be included, of course) |
| 02:22.55 | Ivnedar | yup, custom terms still available |
| 02:30.14 | Imhothar | looking at the code is very tempting indeed... but somehow also feels cheaty |
| 02:30.35 | Noshei | ZorbaBeta: did you see my question back a bit? |
| 02:33.16 | ZorbaBeta | noshei, "maybe" - I'll have to ask the powers that be. Remind me next week, I'm in the middle of GDC right now :V |
| 02:33.27 | ZorbaBeta | I wouldn't hold your breath but it's possible. |
| 02:33.35 | Ivnedar | Does Trion have a presence at GDC? |
| 02:34.13 | seebs | I've been using Moai for my project stuff because free, source, and overall tolerable, except I keep being interrupted so I never actually write stuff. |
| 02:34.27 | ZorbaBeta | ivnedar, I believe we do, based solely on the fact that I saw a tweet from hartsman about giving their setup crew beer |
| 02:34.30 | ZorbaBeta | but I haven't actually seen it :V |
| 02:34.42 | ZorbaBeta | there's probably talk about glyph, if nothing else |
| 05:34.13 | Ivnedar | ahh, archeage @ trion worlds |
| 05:35.07 | Ivnedar | probably beta announcement |
| 05:47.20 | Ivnedar | anyone know how invasive the pvp in archeage is intended on being? |
| 06:27.41 | Amadeus- | Ivnedar, I think the mmo is already released in Korea ..if you can find it translated |
| 06:27.48 | Amadeus- | maybe something on wiki |
| 06:29.35 | Ivnedar | the pvp system was weird when I was reading about it |
| 06:34.20 | Ivnedar | if you attack/kill players of your own faction, blood stains appear on the ground. If another player interacts with that stain, you get 6-10 karma points added to you |
| 06:34.32 | Ivnedar | if you hit 100 points, you're required to go to court and spend 30 mins /played in prison |
| 06:34.47 | Ivnedar | if you refuse to go to court, you're branded a criminal and freely attackable by everyone |
| 06:34.59 | Ivnedar | hit 3000 points and you get offered a transfer to the pirates faction |
| 06:35.22 | Ivnedar | sounds kinda fun, other than the whole grief your allies long enough to get the offer |
| 06:42.35 | seebs | As a general rule, if it is mechanically possible for other players to attack me in a game, I won't play it. |
| 06:42.44 | Noshei | Ivnedar: where you seeing somehting about archage? |
| 06:43.06 | Ivnedar | reading through some of the guides, like arche-age.info |
| 06:43.32 | Noshei | no I mean what did you see that made you comment [Wed 23:34:05] <Ivnedar> ahh, archeage @ trion worlds |
| 06:44.07 | Ivnedar | googled for trion worlds gdc 2014 |
| 06:44.25 | Ivnedar | hartsman did a pre-gdc interview thing about it |
| 06:44.42 | Ivnedar | as did scapes |
| 06:45.30 | Ivnedar | http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/game/572/feature/8321/PreGDC-Interview-Reveals-Trions-Plan.html/page/1 |
| 06:45.34 | Ivnedar | http://archeagesource.com/topic/3088-hello-from-community-manager-scapes/ |
| 06:46.38 | Noshei | yeah I'm seeing those |
| 06:51.14 | Ivnedar | hee hee, someone posted a video of our latest thrax kill where we used a new strat |
| 06:56.12 | Noshei | new strat? |
| 06:56.49 | Noshei | not much strat to change for thrax |
| 06:57.23 | Ivnedar | sure there is! |
| 06:57.35 | Ivnedar | the people who can't do mechanics for whatever reason, stay in the middle and die on the middle platform |
| 06:57.46 | Ivnedar | then when we get to 20%, the warriors brez them ready for burn |
| 06:58.01 | Ivnedar | so they watch the fight and join in the fun bit :) |
| 06:58.08 | Noshei | the warriors? |
| 06:58.16 | Ivnedar | yeah, don't want to waste actual brezes on them |
| 06:58.29 | Noshei | how would a warrior brez them? |
| 06:58.40 | Ivnedar | anything that drops you out of combat works |
| 06:58.58 | Ivnedar | warriors all running tempest varieties, so false repose, ascended rez |
| 06:59.06 | Noshei | lol |
| 06:59.09 | Ivnedar | you don't go back into combat until rez completes, or you hit a mechanic |
| 06:59.35 | Ivnedar | or if you're like my wife, you stay out of combat even if you rez people, and just run around ignoring the boss getting people back up |
| 06:59.51 | Noshei | I like my strat more, yell at people until they figure out how to pay attention |
| 06:59.58 | Ivnedar | tried that, doesn't work |
| 07:00.13 | Ivnedar | I call every mechanic, 3s before mechanic and as it's casting |
| 07:00.25 | Ivnedar | while mechanic is casting, the next mechanic is called for readiness |
| 07:00.32 | Ivnedar | for some people, it just doesn't help |
| 07:00.46 | Noshei | you guys are going to have a horrible time with inyr'kta |
| 07:00.51 | Ivnedar | probably :) |
| 07:00.53 | Noshei | oh did you guys kill volan? |
| 07:00.55 | Ivnedar | nope |
| 07:00.59 | Ivnedar | haven't even attempted yet |
| 07:01.10 | Ivnedar | planning on doing it with 2.7 now probably |
| 07:01.16 | Ivnedar | with the group we have, it'll be painful otherwise |
| 07:01.24 | Noshei | thought you were super close, maybe that was Thorarin. |
| 07:01.32 | Ivnedar | Thorarin was I believe |
| 07:01.43 | Ivnedar | I think 5-10 people in guild went in one off night to play with volan |
| 07:01.48 | Ivnedar | but we've not even tried as a raid |
| 07:01.53 | Noshei | ah |
| 07:02.03 | Ivnedar | spend too long each week wiping to thrax to think about it |
| 07:02.10 | Noshei | it is a pretty interesting fight, super healing intensive |
| 07:02.14 | Ivnedar | tbh, spend too long each week wiping in ee ... |
| 07:02.21 | Ivnedar | yeah, that's why 2.7 will make it easier |
| 07:02.25 | Noshei | still doing ee, dang |
| 07:02.32 | Ivnedar | for cells mostly |
| 07:02.36 | Noshei | ah |
| 07:02.36 | Thorarin | Volan is dead.. |
| 07:02.40 | Ivnedar | and to try and get people to learn how to raid ... |
| 07:02.42 | Ivnedar | grats! |
| 07:02.46 | Thorarin | 50% on Inyr'Kta now |
| 07:02.50 | Noshei | oh nice |
| 07:03.03 | Noshei | Thorarin: inyr'kta starts at 30% |
| 07:03.05 | Ivnedar | we wipe on loot pinata :D |
| 07:03.09 | Thorarin | I know :) |
| 07:03.12 | Noshei | thats when shit gets real! |
| 07:03.29 | Ivnedar | not sure why his loot table was copied from breaker-x1, but oh well |
| 07:03.54 | Noshei | inyr'kta sucked for us tonight, didn't even killer. Have to kill her tomorrow |
| 07:03.56 | Ivnedar | anyways, off to eb games to get some more gamage, bbl! |
| 07:04.21 | Noshei | Thorarin: you guys 2 tanking it? |
| 07:06.40 | Thorarin | Yes |
| 07:07.35 | Noshei | im honestly not sure I like 2 tanks on that fight. Granted 1 is a huge pain, but with 2 I feel like heals end up weaker overall |
| 07:10.00 | Noshei | ok well gl with inyr'kta Thorarin, I'm off to bed |
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| 09:42.30 | Ivnedar | http://loiter.co/v/watch-as-1000years-of-european-boarders-change/ |
| 09:42.34 | Ivnedar | rather interesting video |
| 09:43.34 | bctrainers | So, question... "Summon: A Sinister Companion". it cannot be cancelled, thus i cannot use "Command.Buff.Cancel(BuffID)" |
| 09:43.48 | bctrainers | i dont think thee's a way to get around that, correct? |
| 09:43.52 | bctrainers | there's* |
| 09:46.31 | Ivnedar | hrrm, ok, hotkeying vouchers for ESS->IS conversion wasn't such a good idea |
| 09:46.38 | Ivnedar | losing every second one |
| 09:46.58 | Ivnedar | consumes 2 tickets each time the stack number updates, but only 10 IS gained |
| 09:47.46 | Ivnedar | I don't think there's a way around it |
| 09:47.56 | Ivnedar | how do you gain it? by someone using an item on you? |
| 09:47.56 | bctrainers | thought so |
| 09:47.59 | bctrainers | yeah |
| 09:48.00 | Ivnedar | or by summoning the pet? |
| 09:48.14 | bctrainers | someone can cast it on you |
| 09:48.18 | Ivnedar | ah |
| 09:48.20 | bctrainers | however each ID is always different |
| 09:48.35 | bctrainers | the buff id anyways |
| 09:48.38 | Ivnedar | id should be different, type should be the same? |
| 09:48.44 | bctrainers | the NPC always has the same ID |
| 09:48.46 | bctrainers | let me check again |
| 09:50.33 | Ivnedar | I'm guessing there's some sort of replay prevention on these items |
| 09:53.22 | bctrainers | yeah, always different on the buff ID on character |
| 09:53.54 | Ivnedar | different type? |
| 09:54.12 | Ivnedar | id's unique instance of that buff |
| 09:54.32 | Ivnedar | .type is what you'd want to look at |
| 09:54.53 | bctrainers | one moment |
| 09:56.50 | Ivnedar | they really needed to add higher value vouchers |
| 09:57.55 | bctrainers | U177EF54712DD63C9 is the NPC |
| 09:57.58 | bctrainers | under type |
| 09:58.24 | bctrainers | b80000002594F56B5 is the buff on me |
| 09:58.34 | bctrainers | i think that is what you wanted? :p |
| 09:58.35 | Ivnedar | that'll be .id |
| 09:58.58 | Ivnedar | instances are lowercase letter, types are uppercase |
| 09:59.22 | bctrainers | hmm, whats the command for it, seems to not be coming to mind |
| 09:59.50 | Ivnedar | Inspect.Buff.Detail(unitid, buffid) |
| 10:01.21 | bctrainers | bah, im not with it tonight |
| 10:01.30 | bctrainers | keeps erroring out |
| 10:01.35 | Ivnedar | if you're hooking into Event.Buff.Add, the first arg is the unitid, the second is a table of buffids |
| 10:01.53 | Ivnedar | oh wait, the table has buffid and bufftype, even easier |
| 10:02.12 | bctrainers | I'm just using the /script addon from Zorba to dump the stuff |
| 10:02.12 | bctrainers | heh |
| 10:03.06 | Ivnedar | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:03.48 | Ivnedar | I should have it logged already *looks* |
| 10:04.21 | Ivnedar | what was the name of the debuff? |
| 10:04.34 | Ivnedar | It's watching you... ? |
| 10:04.34 | bctrainers | Summon: A Sinister Companion |
| 10:04.43 | bctrainers | it's a buff |
| 10:04.51 | Ivnedar | ah |
| 10:04.55 | bctrainers | the little companion pet that you can summon onto people |
| 10:04.59 | Ivnedar | B381D8D387967E41A is the typeid |
| 10:05.18 | Ivnedar | 5 min duration |
| 10:05.22 | bctrainers | actually emailing alpha@riftgame regarding it not being /cancelbuff as well |
| 10:05.32 | Ivnedar | description of "You feel creeped out." |
| 10:05.36 | Ivnedar | noncancelable = true |
| 10:05.40 | Ivnedar | yup, can't get rid of it yourself |
| 10:06.26 | bctrainers | well, explains in full why a guildmates addon is throwing errors now |
| 10:06.38 | Ivnedar | oh? |
| 10:06.43 | bctrainers | he pulled the code from KBM to monitor battle rezzes only |
| 10:07.03 | bctrainers | he added in the KBM code to monitor for the transmorging as well |
| 10:07.10 | bctrainers | and well yeah, explains that all |
| 10:07.11 | Ivnedar | that's a huge task, with how integrated it is |
| 10:07.24 | bctrainers | he managed to get the rez master on its own |
| 10:07.35 | bctrainers | (amazingly) |
| 10:08.02 | Ivnedar | impressive, that code is very organic |
| 10:08.05 | bctrainers | problem arised when he added in the code for Sheep, shamber and the sinister companion |
| 10:08.31 | bctrainers | seems sinister is just throwing the error |
| 10:08.32 | Ivnedar | yeah, he needs to check for noncancelable before trying to remove it |
| 10:09.02 | Ivnedar | if it inspects the buff details |
| 10:09.12 | Ivnedar | or, put it in a pcall and catch the error |
| 10:10.01 | bctrainers | assumed as much, will relay that to him as well when he's on in a few hours |
| 10:10.55 | bctrainers | thanks |
| 10:11.01 | Ivnedar | no probs |
| 10:11.36 | Ivnedar | I went through the rezmaster code while I was attempting to add in soul walk monitoring |
| 10:12.26 | Ivnedar | had hoped it was contained in its own code area to be easy to duplicate as another module |
| 10:12.34 | bctrainers | I know there was an old addon when addons were first added, wires raid killer i think? |
| 10:12.41 | Ivnedar | yup |
| 10:12.45 | bctrainers | it shown a listing of soul walks and stuff iirc |
| 10:13.12 | Ivnedar | interestingly, the ability cooldown is off by ~2 minutes compared to the ui display |
| 10:13.42 | bctrainers | the soul walk ability its self? |
| 10:13.48 | Ivnedar | yeah |
| 10:14.43 | bctrainers | I know there's a PA perk, T3 death pa that reduces soul walk cd by 3 mins |
| 10:14.59 | Ivnedar | yeah, heaps of pa abilities reduce it |
| 10:15.06 | Ivnedar | 38 mins is as low as you can get it now I believe |
| 10:15.31 | bctrainers | hm weird none the less |
| 10:15.51 | bctrainers | Earthly ties is 10 mins iirc |
| 10:15.56 | bctrainers | hmm wtf |
| 10:16.02 | bctrainers | one sec |
| 10:17.29 | bctrainers | 32 minutes for me |
| 10:17.53 | bctrainers | thats with max pa, guild perk. |
| 10:18.05 | bctrainers | brb |
| 10:18.35 | Ivnedar | ah, I'm 38 mins without the 10 min guild perk |
| 10:18.38 | Ivnedar | so 28 must be lowest |
| 10:23.48 | Ivnedar | I wonder what the 4 difference is |
| 10:23.57 | Ivnedar | unless it's 5 difference and mine starts at 39 minutes, that's possible |
| 10:55.13 | Ivnedar | pretty sure our healers go afk for trash |
| 11:20.54 | bctrainers | i sometimes go afk for trash |
| 11:21.06 | bctrainers | then my raid leaves me behind as they manage to skip the trash |
| 11:21.08 | Ivnedar | we kite cleaving trash to the afkers |
| 11:51.44 | Ivnedar | raiding at 1200+ms is so much fun :D |
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