| 01:04.23 | Ivnedar | http://imgur.com/a/aQVYB |
| 01:04.33 | Ivnedar | ksp gundam |
| 03:16.17 | Amadeus- | hmm...no patch notes posted for tomorrow |
| 03:43.52 | ZorbaBeta | noshei, I believe so, but I'd appreciate it if you could keep testing to the PTS :V |
| 03:44.44 | Noshei | ZorbaBeta: no problem |
| 03:45.31 | Noshei | I know you had mentioned they had tried something to reduce the size at some point, but it was causing a bug. Do you know if someone is still trying to do that? |
| 03:46.16 | ZorbaBeta | well, the bug was that if it passed the size limit, it instantly crashed the entire cluster. That bug has been fixed - it never even showed up on PTS |
| 03:48.28 | Noshei | by the size limit do you mean the 64k limit we found or a different one they were trying to implement? |
| 03:49.22 | ZorbaBeta | different one - there's now a much stricter (though still not likely to be reached with any sensible macro) limit |
| 03:49.28 | ZorbaBeta | I actually don't know what the limit is, I just know there is one |
| 03:52.18 | Noshei | wow |
| 03:52.27 | Noshei | it may be far too small now |
| 03:52.37 | Noshei | 255 characters per line on the pts right now |
| 03:52.56 | ZorbaBeta | well, it's not really intended to be used for storing entire lua scripts . . . so it might stay that way |
| 03:53.06 | ZorbaBeta | the biggest thing you're really intended to use it for is chat :P |
| 03:53.33 | seebs | Reminds me of a thing I was looking at recentlyish. |
| 03:53.37 | Noshei | yeah I can understand that, the lua script thing was kinda unintended |
| 03:53.44 | seebs | Involved a "pick-random-mounts" addon. |
| 03:53.50 | ZorbaBeta | (comedy "run the script through zlib" suggestion) |
| 03:54.03 | seebs | And what I discovered is, so far as I can tell, there's no way to make a button which picks a random mount and mounts it. |
| 03:54.20 | ZorbaBeta | seebs, there is not. no collectible API yet - mounts will theoretically be included in that |
| 03:54.21 | seebs | You can make a button which mounts a specific mount, then changes itself to use a different random mount next time it's clicked. |
| 03:54.26 | Noshei | I would ask though that something gets announced ahead of time. As I know a lot of people use macros for lua scripts, many of which are much longer than 255 characters |
| 03:54.39 | ZorbaBeta | noshei, well, the good news is that it won't change any existing scripts |
| 03:54.43 | seebs | But the thing you click has to have a fixed effect at the time when you click it, and can never invoke script stuff. |
| 03:55.09 | seebs | Or rather, it *can*, but... |
| 03:55.13 | Noshei | well, unless they edit and save it |
| 03:55.14 | seebs | That script stuff can't *do* anything. |
| 03:55.49 | ZorbaBeta | noshei, true |
| 03:57.01 | Noshei | so it may be worth getting the word out ahead of time. It will have an effect on a small amount of the rift populas, but that percent is generally very vocal (raiders mostly, as far as I know) |
| 03:57.41 | ZorbaBeta | well . . . I think it's already live, honestly |
| 03:58.23 | Noshei | testing on live now |
| 03:59.06 | Noshei | and so it is |
| 04:00.00 | Noshei | that is a huge potential space saving by cutting that down though |
| 04:00.26 | ZorbaBeta | In reality, it's less "space savings" and more "avoiding a possible exploit" - most people would never use anywhere near that much |
| 04:01.09 | Noshei | went from 1,638,400 bytes per macro to 6,400 bytes per macro |
| 04:01.21 | Noshei | yeah, hence the potential |
| 04:01.55 | Noshei | I'm guessing that when they size storage for macros they weren't looking at it as a 1.6 mb per macro sizing |
| 04:02.06 | ZorbaBeta | I suspect not :V |
| 04:02.28 | Torhal | Gief 1.6GB macros! |
| 04:02.29 | Noshei | kinda disappointed they didn't include this in the patch notes |
| 04:03.46 | Noshei | just thinking, with how it was before, it may have been possible to ddos rift, from within rift |
| 04:04.02 | Torhal | MetaDDoS |
| 04:06.07 | Noshei | that would have been really interesting to see from a security stand point |
| 04:06.36 | Noshei | huge flood in data, all of it actually part of the game |
| 04:06.53 | seebs | BTW, Zorba, did I mention that someone had a fairly likely theory as to why people were seeing chat from places they weren't? |
| 04:07.13 | seebs | Someone observed that they consistently get this if they crash out of their guild dimension -- they then see chat from it. |
| 04:07.23 | ZorbaBeta | huh, that's curious. I wonder if that's known |
| 04:07.52 | seebs | Also, there's a known workaround: If you see chat from someone, ask them to invite you, hop to their shard, to to where they were, hop back. |
| 04:08.11 | seebs | So it looks a lot like the chat server is maintaining a list of people who are in a location, and is not removing people from that list sometimes if they crash out. |
| 04:08.31 | seebs | And if you log back in to the *same* server, obviously that's not a problem, but if you were on an instance that put you on another shard, it can be a problem. |
| 04:11.01 | seebs | This is an inference from a forum post and... I think someone I know from Faeblight. |
| 04:11.45 | ZorbaBeta | Forwarded on to the relevant person :) |
| 04:14.04 | seebs | thx |
| 04:23.14 | Amadeus- | http://deadspin.com/denver-news-station-accidentally-puts-a-big-ol-dick-on-1546424572 |
| 04:30.38 | Amadeus- | btw ..it's nice seeing some competition in this field: http://www.mail.com/entertainment/lifestyle/2723464-sony-unveils-virtual-reality-headset-ps4.html . ....I'm excited for the Rift Occulous ..but, having another company doing something similar is a good thing. |
| 04:31.06 | ZorbaBeta | I think Valve's making one also |
| 04:31.25 | ZorbaBeta | to be honest the Oculus Rift needs to release, like, yesterday, because their lunch is about to be eaten by the second generation |
| 04:31.48 | ZorbaBeta | and you really don't want to release a first-generation device *after* the second generation |
| 04:33.53 | Amadeus- | yea |
| 04:34.07 | Amadeus- | The Sony headset there on display in the picture looks very sleek |
| 04:34.13 | Amadeus- | may just be plastic though |
| 04:34.54 | ZorbaBeta | I believe it does actually work, and in theory I could try it out sometime this week, but the line's gonna be enormous |
| 04:34.58 | ZorbaBeta | so I probably won't |
| 04:35.47 | Amadeus- | if you get a chance, report back :) |
| 04:36.06 | ZorbaBeta | I will, but don't hold your breath :) |
| 04:36.30 | Amadeus- | I wonder if the Sony headset will work for other systems...or is going to be tied specifically to the PS4 |
| 04:38.03 | Noshei | wow Amadeus- that news broadcast was great |
| 04:38.19 | Amadeus- | yea, clearly too much pot smoking in Colorado |
| 04:38.30 | Amadeus- | this is what happens when you legalize marijiana! |
| 04:38.36 | Noshei | ./sigh |
| 04:39.14 | Noshei | I guess that was janet jacksons problem at the superbowl? |
| 04:42.13 | Noshei | p.s. I live in Denver, Colorado |
| 04:42.43 | Amadeus- | I'm sure it's just a matter of time before some conservative politician blames the legalization of marijiana for this. I can hear it now: "People are smoking pot in Denver and broadcasting graphic images as a result!" |
| 04:43.26 | Noshei | I kinda doubt it |
| 04:44.00 | Amadeus- | clearly you've never watched those crazy folks on Fox news ..haha |
| 04:44.26 | Noshei | dont have to be smoking pot to be crazy |
| 04:53.10 | Ivnedar | not sure what went through the FFXIII:3 designers when they thought that putting hard timelimits on an open exploration game was a good idea |
| 04:54.07 | Amadeus- | I usually love the Final Fantasy games and have bought all of them ...but, I'm not interested in setting up my PS3 again just to play that game. |
| 04:54.22 | Amadeus- | PS4 is set up and I'm not in the mood to move it |
| 04:54.39 | Ivnedar | you have 6-13 in game days as a hard time limit in the game, 1 minute passes every few seconds |
| 04:54.52 | Ivnedar | lots of things can only be done within a particular time range |
| 04:55.34 | Ivnedar | so you could waste half a day doing one side mission and never be able to complete the game ... |
| 04:55.47 | Ivnedar | you pretty much need the guide to play if you want any chance |
| 04:56.15 | Ivnedar | I chose to play without it and am 4 hours in, pretty much completely screwed |
| 04:57.34 | Ivnedar | I loved exploring in the FF games, really feels wrong to be under a constant time pressure to skip through everything as quickly as possible |
| 04:59.43 | Imhothar | Fallout 2 had a 13 years limit but that was really hard to reach |
| 05:00.43 | Imhothar | though if you spent too much time cruising through the desert you could get there and suddenly fail with no save game old enough to rescue you |
| 05:01.19 | Ivnedar | 6am every day you get ported out of the world, regardless of what you were doing at the time |
| 05:01.29 | Imhothar | wha? |
| 05:01.40 | Ivnedar | so things get pretty hectic after 5am trying to fit things in before the day rolls over |
| 05:02.10 | Imhothar | why would they do that... |
| 05:02.51 | Ivnedar | they try to explain it as part of the plot, but it's just a horrible game mechanic |
| 05:03.02 | Ivnedar | there's all this facebook/twitter integration too |
| 05:03.06 | Ivnedar | facepalms at that |
| 05:03.21 | Imhothar | I hate that shit |
| 05:03.39 | Imhothar | All this social annoyance everywhere |
| 05:04.18 | Imhothar | Take AC4, you can send your fleet on missions, but those take up to 24 hours. Guess what? Find UPLAY friends for speed ups! |
| 05:04.18 | Ivnedar | so you can post your battle scores, compare them, take part in social competitions, people can leave messages around so you see them as npc convos in game |
| 05:04.22 | Imhothar | WHATS THE POINT?!?!?! |
| 05:04.24 | Ivnedar | 'cause that won't be abused at all |
| 05:04.57 | Imhothar | Those people are already playing the game, what's it with this friend nonsense crap shit |
| 05:05.29 | Imhothar | This stuff is really getting on my nerves |
| 05:06.16 | Imhothar | You get punished for not revealing your social life to Ubisoft... |
| 05:06.54 | Ivnedar | there's three difficulty levels in this game too, the difficulty controls what parts of the loot tables are locked |
| 05:07.09 | Ivnedar | the higher the difficulty, the higher the time penalty for dying too |
| 05:09.07 | Noshei | yay, up to 5 auras at a time now! |
| 05:13.34 | Amadeus- | It's sad that it took the introduction of the Oracle for bard's (in Rift) to get buffed |
| 05:14.46 | Noshei | not really |
| 05:14.53 | Noshei | bard is pretty solid right now |
| 05:15.48 | Noshei | I kinda doubt that bard buffs will be needed |
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| 14:22.34 | Ivnedar | some of the new soul bugs are so amusing |
| 16:24.51 | Schalla | Like Ivnedar? |
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| 17:37.55 | Thorarin | *sigh* @ LFG and mentoring changes :( |
| 19:45.47 | Amadeus- | You can still do the dungeons manually without being forced mentored, right? |
| 19:46.00 | Amadeus- | as long as you enter the dungeon manually and don't use the LFG tool? |
| 19:46.42 | Amadeus- | -- |
| 19:46.44 | Amadeus- | now, this is dumb: |
| 19:46.45 | Amadeus- | Conquest: Steppes of Infinity |
| 19:46.45 | Amadeus- | * Now ends after 10k has been scored by a team. |
| 19:47.07 | Amadeus- | ^ 10k?!? ...has anyone from Trion been playing at all this week? It should be 5.5k |
| 19:47.15 | Amadeus- | and that's still too high imo |
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| 19:48.22 | Kikimora | heya all |
| 19:50.50 | Kikimora | i have a question, i'm using "local ZoneInfo = Inspect.Zone.Detail(Inspect.Unit.Detail("player").zone)" in my addon to see what zone players are in. on my comp i have not had any errors with this, but i'm getting reports from players that they get incorrect function usage error from this. Any idea why that would be, and what would be a better way to do this then? |
| 19:51.42 | Amadeus- | what is the exact error |
| 19:52.23 | Amadeus- | the issue is probably that Inspect.Unit.Detail("player").zone is not valid. |
| 19:52.46 | Amadeus- | I would set that to another variable and then check it before sending it to Inspect.Zone.Detail |
| 19:53.21 | Amadeus- | infact, I would set Inspect.Unit.Detail("player") ...check validity ...then set .zone from that to a variable ... check validity ...THEN set your ZoneInfo variable. ...then check validity after that. |
| 19:53.41 | Amadeus- | if you truly want to make sure that no error messages could ever happen |
| 19:54.30 | Kikimora | http://riftdreamdimensions.com/?p=6974#comment-7340 |
| 19:54.43 | Kikimora | that is link to where they posted the error |
| 19:55.04 | Thorarin | Amadeus- yeah but the scenario of helping another player doing a dungeon that is appropriately levelled for them seems to be impossible |
| 19:55.14 | Thorarin | At least without queueing specific dungeon |
| 19:55.50 | Amadeus- | yea, that's what that error is saying |
| 19:56.04 | Amadeus- | Inspect.Unit.Detail("player") is returning nil there. |
| 19:56.14 | Amadeus- | or |
| 19:56.20 | Amadeus- | actually, that is wrong |
| 19:56.30 | Amadeus- | Inspect.Unit.Detail("player").zone is returning nil |
| 19:57.00 | Amadeus- | since the error is happening after Inspect.Unit.Detail("player") ...I assume IT is returning a valid value ....so, it's the .zone that is nil |
| 19:57.17 | Kikimora | k so i need to do a nil check on Inspect.Unit.Detail("player").zone |
| 19:57.18 | Amadeus- | otherwise, you would have gotten another error saying nil value indexing..yadda yadda |
| 19:57.23 | Amadeus- | yes |
| 19:57.38 | Amadeus- | to be 100% safe ..I would probably do a nil check on Inspect.Unit.Detail("player") myself |
| 19:57.47 | Amadeus- | then .zone ...then nil check again |
| 19:57.55 | Kikimora | weird lol didn't expect there were any places that would not have a zone ID |
| 19:59.14 | Kikimora | k so do double nil check on inspect and on inspect.zone |
| 20:00.47 | Thorarin | If the player is not fully loaded, there may not be a zone? Not sure |
| 20:04.32 | Imhothar | all kinds of nil stuff happens for units that are not or only partially available |
| 20:05.19 | Thorarin | mm hmm, but I can't remember exactly what is and what isn't available when |
| 20:05.55 | Imhothar | during a teleport the player is unloaded/reloaded so any queries that happen during that can blow up |
| 20:08.14 | Imhothar | best practive is probably to inspect or track a unit's availability before doing any inspects on it, including the player |
| 20:09.00 | Kikimora | local PlayerInfo = Inspect.Unit.Detail("player") |
| 20:09.00 | Kikimora | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:09.00 | Kikimora | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:09.00 | Kikimora | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:09.00 | Kikimora | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:09.00 | Kikimora | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:09.01 | Kikimora | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:09.01 | Kikimora | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:09.02 | Kikimora | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:09.02 | Kikimora | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:09.03 | Kikimora | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:09.03 | Kikimora | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:09.04 | Kikimora | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:09.04 | Kikimora | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:09.07 | Thorarin | KA doesn't do anything proper before player is loaded :) |
| 20:09.19 | Kikimora | would something like that work better? |
| 20:11.44 | Amadeus- | I would check the validity of ZoneInfo too (myself) |
| 20:12.12 | Amadeus- | and I'd write it all differently as to be less verbose ...but, yea, it would work. |
| 20:12.38 | Kikimora | hey only beginner programmer lol |
| 20:21.49 | Kikimora | btw i'm using Command.Event.Attach(Event.Unit.Detail.LocationName, Dta.CheckZone, "Update selection") to tricker that funtion |
| 20:22.11 | Kikimora | maybe there is a better one to use for that? |
| 20:23.06 | Kikimora | like the event.unit.detail.zone maybe? |
| 20:37.20 | Imhothar | try it and see what happens |
| 20:48.55 | seebs | I'm pretty sure that Inspect.Unit.Detail('player') is guaranteed to produce something, but may not produce something that has a .zone |
| 20:49.16 | Imhothar | it's guaranteed to be a table with the at least the name afaik |
| 20:55.17 | seebs | But, sadly, not guaranteed to have the *correct* name. :( |
| 20:57.16 | Repo | dimension-tools: kikimora_ * r21 (5 files in 3 directories): - Made small change in the Zone Check |
| 20:57.33 | Imhothar | "correct" name? |
| 21:00.31 | Repo | dimension-tools: kikimora_ * r22 Changelog.txt: - Made small change in the Zone Check |
| 21:02.38 | Repo | dimension-tools: kikimora_ v1.2.2.22 * r23 : - Made small change in the Zone Check |
| 21:06.42 | Kikimora | well i put in the nil check and will see if i will still get people with the error ^^ |
| 21:09.13 | Kikimora | all learning along the way :), only bin programming for like 3-4 months now so still lots and lots to learn along the way :) |
| 22:29.33 | Noshei | ZorbaBeta: would it ever be possible to get any data on addon usage within rift. I'm mostly wondering how much of the active rift population actually uses addons and how many they use. I can completely understand not being able to give actual numbers, but would you be able to give percentages? |
| 22:35.01 | Imhothar | you'd probably have to ask the eggheads |