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| 00:50.24 | ZorbaGama | seebs, yep, should be in. I don't remember what it's called offhand - if you find the background framerate cap in the cfg file, though, tell me what it is and I can probably remember what the foreground version is |
| 00:51.38 | seebs | Huh. HardwareDetector.exe blows up under Crossover. |
| 00:53.47 | seebs | Ahh! |
| 00:53.52 | seebs | HasFocusMinFrameTime = 1.000000 |
| 00:53.54 | seebs | LostFocusMinFrameTime = 100.000000 |
| 00:53.56 | seebs | I bet I know what that means. |
| 00:53.59 | ZorbaGama | ah, there ya go :D |
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| 00:54.24 | Ivnedar | min ms between frames based on whether it has focus or not? |
| 00:54.44 | seebs | Not present on my older installs. |
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| 00:54.52 | ZorbaGama | ivnedar, yep |
| 00:54.58 | seebs | I really hope the updated launcher makes it possible to have a different rift.cfg for each instance. |
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| 00:55.50 | seebs | Hmm. Well, right now, I can't actually make the game run under crossover, which is odd because I think it used to. |
| 00:56.20 | ZorbaGama | I know it still runs under Wine |
| 00:56.33 | ZorbaGama | (I know this because it also crashed under Wine semi-regularly; we've hopefully fixed that) |
| 00:58.10 | seebs | Hmm. Blows up for me pretty early on right now: |
| 00:58.12 | seebs | [NOT][ENG] 00:57:20.168 Loading shaders (1% complete) |
| 00:58.28 | ZorbaGama | Fun. Definitely a different bug, this one occasionally-but-not-always crashed later on. |
| 00:58.30 | seebs | But I haven't tried this in ages, and this machine may well have Problems. |
| 00:59.22 | seebs | Well, I can always actually try it on the desktop, I was just thinking "hey, I wonder if that's patched up yet". |
| 01:01.03 | seebs | Days are getting longer, I have more energy again. Helpy has begun answering questions again. |
| 01:01.38 | seebs | Someone asked what Helpy's preferred pronoun is. Helpy explained that if you use the same pronoun everywhere, that's very insecure, and can allow attackers to understand communications, which is why Helpy always uses UUIDs as pronouns. |
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| 01:37.15 | Ivnedar | kinda amusing to read old rift performance threads where they're installing particular d3d9 dlls to get fps increases |
| 01:48.28 | seebs | Heh. |
| 01:48.35 | seebs | And so far as we know, it can't even actually work. |
| 01:48.46 | seebs | So, Rift has alt+f4 keybound to the exit timer, by default. |
| 01:48.59 | seebs | Trouble: Convincing people that this is the case looks like trolling them, so they still think it's an instant-quit. |
| 02:51.10 | Ivnedar | I can't remember if we worked out if the timer is bypassed if in rest zone |
| 02:54.30 | Ivnedar | ZorbaGama: Did I link this to you before? https://www.powerhousemuseum.com/gamemasters/ |
| 03:07.36 | Noshei | ZorbaGama: I've noticed that if my graphics drive crashes for any reason it causes rift to freeze up and the client never kills itself, I have to kill it from the task manager |
| 07:51.45 | Alisu | do all of my repocommits to curse have to be working? or can I use it to switch code between the two platforms where I code one, where on other I can't test |
| 07:53.11 | Alisu | especially if I disable the alpha zipping |
| 07:57.52 | Thorarin | Generally speaking, it's a best practice to commit working versions of the software... I'm not sure what you mean with you can't test |
| 09:06.49 | Alisu | I write code both on my desktop, which has win |
| 09:07.06 | Alisu | and then on my ipad on the go, maybe even more of my code is done on that |
| 09:07.19 | Alisu | on desktop I usually just fix typos when testing |
| 09:07.53 | Alisu | but it's got to a point I keep forgetting which file I've edited last on which side |
| 09:08.27 | Alisu | and as I understood it, code versioning would be answer just to that |
| 09:08.58 | Alisu | I could of course keep local repository, but I'm quite sure having same file be part of local repo and curse repo would be a bad idea |
| 09:11.17 | Alisu | because me working on pad and me working on my pc is somehat similar than two guys where other writes the code on platform without rift, and another fixes the work on platform with rift |
| 11:23.38 | Ivnedar | hrrm, login bug is back? or only a few people? |
| 11:25.13 | Ivnedar | nevermind, just some random d/c's that lasted a while |
| 11:31.43 | Alisu | when I tried to login today it said something about local saved data being cocrrupt and needing to use repair |
| 11:32.02 | Alisu | I just tried to relog and it worked |
| 11:32.16 | Alisu | I'm pretty sure I didn't touch the repair thing |
| 11:33.23 | Ivnedar | amusing thing happened on breaker x-1 tonight |
| 11:33.34 | Ivnedar | when I was porting up for the last AI core, my body was left down below |
| 11:33.44 | Ivnedar | I went up top, I was invisible up there |
| 11:37.08 | Alisu | woops :P |
| 11:37.45 | Alisu | actually.. can I do commits to svn repository from svn repository? |
| 11:38.23 | Alisu | that is, I have local repository set up for my own file version handling since I have them handled various ways |
| 11:38.51 | Alisu | and when I know the current version in my local repository is working, I can commit it to curse |
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| 13:10.10 | Thorarin | Git would be better suited for that Alisu |
| 13:10.29 | Ivnedar | have two working copies that you commit in I guess? |
| 13:10.44 | Thorarin | But you could use svk, I think |
| 13:12.07 | Ivnedar | if you had an svn client on both, yeah, svn update before working on it, svn commit when done |
| 13:12.30 | Thorarin | It's been a while, but I used to replicate an SVN repository using svk |
| 13:15.21 | Alisu | having two local commit was my first idea, obviously |
| 13:15.43 | Alisu | but apparently I shouldn't commit untested code to curse repo so.. |
| 13:16.14 | Alisu | I can't use curse repo to switch the code over from my on the go edit platform to test with rift client platform |
| 13:16.55 | Alisu | two local working copie, I was meaning to say |
| 13:17.09 | Alisu | but guess I look at the git then |
| 13:29.32 | Ivnedar | if you disable packaging of alphas, then it's not so bad |
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| 14:03.33 | Torhal | Alisu: If you look into Git, I recommend SourceTree. |
| 14:10.31 | Alisu | for windows? |
| 14:10.57 | Alisu | I would assume on simplest level they are very similar? |
| 14:11.04 | Alisu | that is, commot/update |
| 14:11.34 | Ivnedar | commit = push changes from local working copy up to the repository |
| 14:11.38 | Thorarin | Terminology is different |
| 14:11.45 | Alisu | and the other side, I'll be using some unix machine which I assume has git as command line tool |
| 14:11.45 | Ivnedar | update = pull changes from repository down to local working copy |
| 14:12.04 | Ivnedar | so you update before you start to get the latest version from the repo |
| 14:12.13 | Ivnedar | then when you're done, you commit to push your changes into the repo |
| 14:12.13 | Alisu | if it doesn't, wwhen I ask from the friend whos server it is, it'll appear in less than minute :) |
| 14:12.20 | Ivnedar | so when you go to the other device and update, you get those changes |
| 14:12.42 | Alisu | ivnedar, I had figured that part down, yes |
| 14:13.08 | Alisu | : |
| 14:13.11 | Alisu | :) |
| 14:14.32 | Alisu | oh, another question, licenses :o |
| 14:14.46 | Alisu | there is some many of them to choose from :o |
| 14:15.07 | Alisu | and the curse edit page only has their names |
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| 16:36.37 | Alisu | got the components.. this night will go cursing with processor fan attaching |
| 16:36.54 | Alisu | it's always been the single hardest part for me |
| 16:41.22 | Noshei | Alisu: you should try mounting a water block, that can be a huge pain |
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| 16:45.08 | Alisu | naa, not interested about water cooling |
| 16:45.25 | Alisu | too much trouble |
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| 17:38.11 | Thorarin | Some fans can be a big pain as well... Sometimes the clamps need so much force applied that you almost wreck the motherboard |
| 17:38.20 | Thorarin | With screwdrivers slipping etc :P |
| 17:40.46 | Thorarin | pwned :P |
| 17:43.35 | seebs | I occasionally think of trying to get a prebuilt liquid-cooled machine. I am not confident enough of my ability to do liquid cooling myself. |
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| 18:10.38 | Noshei | honestly it takes a bit of work to setup water cooling, but once it it running it can mostly be left on its own. |
| 18:11.06 | Noshei | it is recommended to do annual or bi-annual maintainence on it, but it isn't required |
| 18:11.34 | Noshei | granted the cost is somewhat prohibitive |
| 18:32.07 | seebs | Mostly just looks Very Complicated, full of conflicting reports and hard-to-evaluate risks. |
| 18:47.46 | Alisu | damn it |
| 18:48.00 | Alisu | the motherboard wants 8 pin power |
| 18:48.08 | Alisu | my powersupply doesn't have one |
| 18:48.14 | Alisu | the earlier used 4 pin |
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| 18:50.32 | Thorarin | It can only do 8 pin? |
| 18:50.45 | Thorarin | I've seen motherboards do 1x8 or 2x4, iirc |
| 18:51.13 | Thorarin | 4 pins were covered with a little cap tho, with a 4 pin connector elsewhere |
| 18:51.43 | Alisu | it only looks lke to have 8 pin |
| 18:51.55 | Alisu | it's asus Z87-A |
| 18:52.09 | Alisu | if someone who knows of these things can check |
| 18:52.17 | Thorarin | You bought the power supply recently right? |
| 18:52.23 | Alisu | nope |
| 18:52.27 | Alisu | it's the old one |
| 18:52.35 | Thorarin | Oh... Thought you got a new one with the gfx |
| 18:52.44 | Alisu | didn't need to |
| 18:53.01 | Alisu | was able to convert couple 4 pins to 6 pin |
| 18:53.14 | Alisu | 4 pin muxes |
| 18:53.17 | Alisu | whatever |
| 18:54.21 | Thorarin | And your main connector is 24 pins or 20 pins? |
| 18:54.42 | Thorarin | Because your PSU sounds like ATX12V 1.0 |
| 18:56.33 | Alisu | um.. I don't know |
| 18:56.42 | Alisu | the kind that fit to that motherboard |
| 18:56.49 | Alisu | it's just the 8 pin I'm missing |
| 19:00.35 | Thorarin | Manual suggests it will work with the 4 pin |
| 19:00.42 | Thorarin | DO NOT forget to connect the 4-pin/8-pin EATX12 V power plug. Otherwise, the |
| 19:00.43 | Thorarin | system will not boot |
| 19:01.15 | Thorarin | There should be only one place to fit it without forcing it |
| 19:02.11 | Thorarin | Or the text is generic and it doesn't work, not sure tbh :P |
| 19:02.23 | Thorarin | Gotta love clear manuals ;) |
| 19:02.55 | Imhothar | a what manual? |
| 19:03.57 | Thorarin | Mobos are the only manuals I read :) |
| 19:04.11 | Thorarin | Not all of it, but some of it is useful |
| 19:05.08 | Alisu | the picture of the mobo shows 8 pin |
| 19:05.17 | Thorarin | Yes |
| 19:05.25 | Alisu | while the detailed instruction has pic of connecting 4 pin to 4 pin socket |
| 19:05.38 | Thorarin | But like I said some mobos allow you to plug in the 4-pins only and it will work |
| 19:05.39 | Alisu | I think it's generic and this particular model has 8 |
| 19:05.58 | Alisu | you mean, the 4 pin to the 8 pin socket? |
| 19:06.04 | Alisu | does it fit even |
| 19:06.06 | Thorarin | If you put it in the holes that fit, it will not blow up at least |
| 19:06.27 | Thorarin | Might not boot, in which case you will need a new PSU |
| 19:06.31 | Alisu | yeah but, can I really connect 4 pin to 8 pin socket |
| 19:06.53 | Thorarin | The shape is slightly different, it will only fit on 1 side with a specific orientation |
| 19:07.36 | Imhothar | the socket's are usually built in a way that you have to force incompatible plugs |
| 19:07.59 | Imhothar | *usually* |
| 19:08.27 | Thorarin | Including this case :P |
| 19:08.45 | Thorarin | My PSU actually has a 4+4 connector for this stuff |
| 19:08.50 | Thorarin | One you can split that is |
| 19:09.22 | Imhothar | I remember something like that, though it's been a few years I dealt with the PSU |
| 19:09.49 | Thorarin | Well, been since 25 april 2012 for me prolly :) |
| 19:09.53 | Thorarin | At least on this PC |
| 19:10.04 | Thorarin | That's when I purchased the mobo :P |
| 19:11.42 | Alisu | what the |
| 19:11.51 | Alisu | I did as you suggeated and it booted |
| 19:12.02 | Alisu | well, complained about missing keyboard but... :) |
| 19:12.43 | Alisu | sso, if the 4 pin is enough, why have 8 pin socket |
| 19:12.57 | Thorarin | Power hungry CPUs |
| 19:13.35 | Alisu | um |
| 19:13.42 | Alisu | how do I know if I have one? |
| 19:13.51 | Alisu | wouldn't iit boot at all, or be unstable? |
| 19:14.21 | Thorarin | Not sure, but suspect it could be unstable |
| 19:16.02 | Thorarin | You should probably do a burn in test to see how it behaves under full CPU load |
| 19:19.22 | Thorarin | Chances are pretty good it will be fine tho |
| 19:21.09 | Thorarin | Unless you were planning on overclocking, then prolly would need 8-pin |
| 19:22.38 | Thorarin | Explaining while raiding is less than ideal, sorry for the crappy grammar and fragmentation :P |
| 19:23.51 | Alisu | no clocking for me |
| 19:24.11 | Alisu | seems thought the windows doesn't want to boot, so much for easy phasing |
| 19:24.23 | Alisu | have to install the OSes tonight too |
| 19:24.31 | Thorarin | Then you can just try it |
| 19:24.52 | Alisu | now it's in some "startup repair" |
| 19:25.04 | Alisu | will give it some time to see if it figures itself out |
| 19:25.16 | Thorarin | I never even try that with Windows... New mobo, new install |
| 19:25.37 | Thorarin | If you're lucky, it could work :) |
| 19:26.01 | Thorarin | It's usually a good excuse for a clean start, imo |
| 19:26.26 | Alisu | yeah but wanted to get to rift tonight :P |
| 19:26.48 | Thorarin | Well, the OS takes 20 minutes... Updates and more updates... 2 hours? :P |
| 19:27.13 | Thorarin | For Windows 7 anyway |
| 19:29.54 | Noshei | hey seebs didn't you say you knew someone that was really good at phrasing things so pretty much anyon understood it? |
| 19:30.13 | seebs | Maybe? Context? |
| 19:30.24 | seebs | I am a reasonably skilled translator-between-paradigms. |
| 19:30.38 | Noshei | so in PoE there is one Keystone that causes a LOT of confussion for players |
| 19:30.46 | seebs | Oh? |
| 19:30.49 | seebs | Which one? |
| 19:30.59 | Noshei | Ancestral Bond |
| 19:31.32 | seebs | That... doesn't surprise me, just because it's such a very odd keystone. |
| 19:31.39 | Noshei | here is what it says "Can summon up to 1 additioanl totem" "You Can't deal Damage with your Skills yourself" |
| 19:31.46 | seebs | Yeah. |
| 19:31.59 | seebs | And I thought "how would ... ohhhh but if you had totem support gems you could use them to attack things". |
| 19:32.04 | Noshei | I think part of the problem is the phrasing is rather vague and not good |
| 19:32.10 | seebs | And then I thought "I don't think I ever want to try that". |
| 19:32.36 | Noshei | well here is the thing, you can also deal damage with mines or traps or minions |
| 19:32.52 | Noshei | but if you use fireball, it does nothing |
| 19:33.03 | seebs | I would say "You cannot directly deal damage. Your mines, traps, totems, or minions can still do damage. You can summon one extra totem." |
| 19:33.09 | Noshei | unless you link it to a spell attack totem |
| 19:33.30 | seebs | And okay, I guess I concede that it is confusing. |
| 19:33.40 | seebs | Because I had just assumed that my own mines or traps would not do damage, because they are my skills. |
| 19:34.25 | seebs | Oh, and it's way more complicated than I realized. |
| 19:34.34 | seebs | e.g., your poison arrow doesn't do damage except the cloud it creates does. |
| 19:35.26 | Noshei | oh I forgot about that one as well |
| 19:36.37 | seebs | tooltip: "Your skills cannot do direct damage. Indirect damage, traps, mines, minions, and totems work normally. You can create one additional totem at a time. You should read the Wiki or the forums to try to figure out what this means." |
| 19:40.17 | Noshei | lol |
| 19:48.58 | Imhothar | Alisu Windows is only compatible with the chipset it is installed with. Changing motherboard/CPU requires reinstallation |
| 19:52.11 | Imhothar | afaik you can't even move it to a new disk as it stores the disk's serial number |
| 20:17.41 | Thorarin | Well, you can, but depends on the tools :) |
| 20:26.43 | Imhothar | yeah well... |
| 20:26.52 | Imhothar | many things are possible with the right tools |
| 20:59.13 | Thorarin | Not quite as easy as with linux in any case |
| 20:59.31 | Thorarin | I've used the same install since I dunno.. 1999 or smt |
| 20:59.51 | Thorarin | Even converted from 32-bit to 64-bit without reinstall |
| 21:48.44 | Thorarin | Volan dead |
| 21:49.09 | Thorarin | One of the weirdest kills evar, but still :) |
| 22:58.18 | Ivnedar | grats :D |
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| 23:31.33 | Ivnedar | I could have sworn there was a storyline with the mech week stuff |
| 23:31.46 | Ivnedar | If there wasn't my imagination must be even more active than I thought |
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