| 01:13.15 | ZorbaTHut | noshei, memory threshold as well, though it's being tweaked in an upcoming patch |
| 01:13.33 | Noshei | yeah that doesn't surprise me at all |
| 01:13.50 | Noshei | that would explain why people with 64 bit systems are also getting the lower quality textures |
| 01:23.36 | Noshei | not sure if I want to buy a new phone |
| 01:24.13 | ZorbaTHut | note that it's not being completely removed, but it's going back to the old behavior for people with 64bit systems and 4gb RAM |
| 01:25.10 | Noshei | ZorbaTHut: rather have the crashes than the people crying about quality on their low end systems? |
| 01:25.24 | ZorbaTHut | nah, just realized that those people probably weren't crashing in the first place |
| 01:25.57 | ZorbaTHut | it was a bug that that group was included - put the check in the wrong place - so now it's being moved |
| 01:26.04 | Noshei | yeah, not likely they were, though it is possible |
| 01:26.46 | Noshei | I dont have much running atm, and I'm using 5.3 GB of memory |
| 01:27.03 | Noshei | I could easily see a 4gb system having out of memory issues |
| 01:27.53 | ZorbaTHut | well, keep in mind that os memory allocation has gotten so complicated that it's kind of impossible to roll memory usage into a single number - chances are very good that if you were doing the same thing on a computer with less RAM, Windows would say you were using less memory |
| 01:28.11 | ZorbaTHut | rammap is a fun tool to explore what your system is actually doing, and even that doesn't catch everything |
| 01:28.38 | Noshei | oh believe me I know how much of a huge pain memory is |
| 01:29.23 | ZorbaTHut | it's possible I'll be doing a few-page writeup on address space limitations if community wants me to :V |
| 01:30.08 | Noshei | So my current phone is slowly dying, the speaker stopped working 6+ months ago and the touch screen is starting to go as well. So I've been thinking of buying a new phone (unlocked since I'm still on contract), just not sure if it is worth it right now. |
| 01:31.52 | Noshei | ZorbaTHut: I would think this community right here (the few us that there are) would want you to (though we would bemoan the time spent on it) and maybe a few others, but over all I doubt the majority of the community would care/comprehend |
| 01:32.13 | ZorbaTHut | actually, users seem to *love* tech posts - the only reason I haven't done more is because of time |
| 01:32.26 | ZorbaTHut | even when they don't understand 'em, they absolutely love 'em :V |
| 01:34.53 | Noshei | oh, did you see the new base items they are doing for bows in poe? |
| 01:35.58 | Noshei | and they showed off some corrupted skills today in a gamespot interview |
| 01:58.55 | seebs | I would love to see a post on that, if only because I got sick of arguing with that guy over whether it is ever theoretically possible for a 32-bit program to have >2GB of physical memory active at once. |
| 01:59.36 | Noshei | seebs: that is entirely dependent on what you consider memory to be |
| 02:04.35 | seebs | <-- confused |
| 02:08.08 | Noshei | well would you consider the swap file to be memory? |
| 02:09.25 | seebs | It would not be physical memory. |
| 02:10.38 | seebs | My understanding is, 32-bit Windows processes can have 2GB of address space, or 3 or so with LARGE_ADDRESS_AWARE and if the kernel is set in a suitable mode, or nearly the full 4GB on a 64-bit system. And on a 64-bit system with enough memory, they can indeed actually have ~4GB of address space which currently corresponds to physical memory pages. |
| 02:11.05 | Ivnedar | tech posts are often seen as peaks behind the curtains, even if you don't know what's going on when you see it, it feels more inclusive to not have that curtain there for a period of time |
| 02:11.25 | Ivnedar | It also gives you something definite to go off an research instead of guessing stuff |
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| 04:11.50 | Ivnedar | woo, Finella's run through the current threat modifiers on the PTS |
| 04:11.52 | Ivnedar | so wonky |
| 04:48.42 | seebs | I wish we could see threat in concrete ways. FF14 has very nice threat indicators. |
| 05:04.37 | Ivnedar | wow added threat % tracking on the unit frames |
| 05:04.43 | Ivnedar | so you could see what % of threat you had |
| 05:05.03 | Ivnedar | so tanks could be seeing 10000+% threat |
| 05:05.07 | Ivnedar | dps hopefully below 100% |
| 06:11.16 | Ivnedar | http://forums.riftgame.com/general-discussions/general-discussion/417456-does-anyone-know-how-get-planar-squirrel-mounts-2.html#post4718923 |
| 06:11.20 | Ivnedar | crazy |
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| 12:12.26 | Imhothar | intresting, the Mac OS update is out and no mentioning of the SSL issue anywhere in the update notes |
| 12:12.28 | Imhothar | nowhere |
| 12:14.46 | Ivnedar | apple never mention security fixes in their patch notes that I've seen |
| 12:14.54 | Ivnedar | That would be bad PR |
| 12:44.31 | Ivnedar | I wonder what the Kazz'Ra script bug is |
| 12:45.55 | Ivnedar | If it's erroring due to too high dps or due to number of people there |
| 14:00.27 | Ivnedar | huzzah, first ever cq chest, radiant cell |
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| 14:15.47 | Alisu | Um.. hi |
| 14:16.04 | Ivnedar | hi :) |
| 14:16.10 | Imhothar | oi |
| 14:16.33 | Alisu | ohhoo.. familiar name :o |
| 14:17.11 | Imhothar | it's all bots here |
| 14:17.12 | Alisu | I have read your bag addon thing inside and out already while trying to figure out how to do classes properly with lua |
| 14:17.30 | Alisu | Hope I've not gone completely wrong way |
| 14:17.34 | Imhothar | ugh what did I break this time |
| 14:18.54 | Alisu | If anything, just one little new addon author wannabe :) |
| 14:19.55 | Alisu | I'll have my pie menu done yet, even if it might be a tad bit too big bite for me |
| 14:22.24 | Alisu | It all began innocently by tweaking some addons to my own taste :o |
| 14:22.56 | Alisu | Anyway, I had actually question too (propably pile of them in the long run) |
| 14:23.30 | Alisu | The canvas frame type is capable to do much the same thing mask does for textures.. does |
| 14:23.55 | Alisu | Is it a cpuu hog (as I've been told mask is) all the time, or just once when created? |
| 14:24.19 | Imhothar | it's designed to be neither |
| 14:25.59 | ZorbaTHut | it's not exactly speedy, but it's reasonably efficient as long as you're not doing silly things like ten-thousand-point paths |
| 14:26.36 | Alisu | Thing is, I want to make my dialogs look like the ones in the game |
| 14:27.06 | Alisu | And since there is no frametexture type where I can tell it not to stretch the edges of the image, i have to build it myself from 9 canvases |
| 14:28.01 | ZorbaTHut | well, for what it's worth, that probably won't be much slower than what the game already does :V so, go for it! |
| 14:28.35 | ZorbaTHut | and for reference, canvas is about as fast as texture or setbackgroundcolor, except for a slightly heavier speed hit when the path is set - they actually share a good chunk of code |
| 14:29.55 | Alisu | And if the texture is already loaded, multiple uses of it doesn't hurt? |
| 14:30.35 | ZorbaTHut | yup, should be fine :) although note that it may unload immediately when the last reference is removed - if you need to guard from that, just make a frame with that texture loaded, and :SetVisible(false) it |
| 14:30.48 | Alisu | I'm using games own backgrop textures I found with texture viewer.. now that I think of it, I've read a mention that not all textures retaint their path or something.. |
| 14:31.14 | ZorbaTHut | if it has a name that looks like it was randomly generated, it was probably randomly generated and may change unpredictably on patches |
| 14:31.15 | Alisu | How do I know which ones to avoid |
| 14:31.32 | ZorbaTHut | if it has a sensible english name then it's probably safe (at least until the artists change it :V) |
| 14:31.45 | Alisu | Hmm.. so something like AAFwindowI15, random or not? |
| 14:31.55 | ZorbaTHut | that'd be random, unfortunately |
| 14:31.59 | Imhothar | random |
| 14:32.02 | Alisu | Darn |
| 14:32.06 | ZorbaTHut | I've been meaning to set it up so that the names are less random but haven't had time :/ |
| 14:32.14 | Imhothar | but most of the random textures also exist with non-random names |
| 14:32.22 | Alisu | Any change to give us way to get the textures out? |
| 14:32.37 | Imhothar | there are a lot of duplicates in the game |
| 14:32.43 | Alisu | Would be way simpler to piece out correct size backdrop and use that with regular texture frame |
| 14:32.58 | ZorbaTHut | I think a few people might have exporters. there are also utilities that can dump .dds files. none of these are officially supported, but realistically we probably will never care :V |
| 14:33.48 | Imhothar | with canvas there's much less reasons to directly export textures |
| 14:33.57 | Imhothar | just make a screenshot if you need to count pixels |
| 14:33.57 | Alisu | Someone tossed an idea in the forum about slashcommand to export a single texture, that impossibility? |
| 14:34.26 | ZorbaTHut | pretty tricky, unfortunately - it'd have to be a "okay we'll export it next time we load it" deal |
| 14:34.36 | ZorbaTHut | once it's loaded we can't really get to it easily |
| 14:34.43 | Alisu | Ah |
| 14:35.10 | Alisu | Hmm.. so making a function which returns a propersized 9-canvas monstrosity it is then |
| 14:35.11 | Imhothar | that's a weird engine design |
| 14:35.35 | ZorbaTHut | imhothar, pretty normal, honestly - GPUs really don't like it when you try to get data from them |
| 14:35.43 | Imhothar | of course not |
| 14:35.45 | ZorbaTHut | so generally you load it, hand it to the GPU, and throw it away |
| 14:35.52 | Imhothar | but getting the associated file should be possible |
| 14:35.54 | ZorbaTHut | (no sense in keeping a second copy around) |
| 14:36.24 | ZorbaTHut | sure, but then I'd have to rig up an entire second load pathway that allows for re-loading files that are already loaded. our file packaging abstraction wasn't really designed for that |
| 14:36.33 | ZorbaTHut | I assume you've noticed by now that rift doesn't keep a ton of loose files around :) |
| 14:36.56 | Ivnedar | talk TehFrank into giving you his extractor |
| 14:37.00 | Ivnedar | then use those :D |
| 14:37.13 | ZorbaTHut | yeah that's probably the best approach :V |
| 14:37.39 | Alisu | Hmm, completely unrelated to this graphics issue, why does item.details function tell the currency rewards for every quest is 12 silvera if the quest is not in my quest log? |
| 14:37.53 | Imhothar | sure not, but you do keep a directory index somewhere I guess. unless all file paths are hashed in the asset files |
| 14:37.55 | ZorbaTHut | funny, I bet that's a default value for level-1-quest or something like that |
| 14:38.19 | Alisu | Because, when I get the quest changed event, and the questID from it |
| 14:38.22 | ZorbaTHut | imhothar, well, one, yes, they are; and two, we do, but it's buried deep in the file abstraction. we don't query file offsets directly, we just ask for IDs |
| 14:38.35 | Alisu | Asking details for it at that point, I get that reward money.. |
| 14:38.57 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, probably shouldn't be returning anything, really |
| 14:39.36 | Alisu | Also, the item:change event when loosing stuff is frustrating as it's item slot based..It just tells a slot is empty |
| 14:39.36 | Imhothar | then either the abstraction is too good or not good enough ;) |
| 14:40.01 | Alisu | I have no way to see at that point what item was lost unless I keep dublicate inventory database around |
| 14:40.02 | ZorbaTHut | it actually works great, as long as you're not trying to do this one thing that we've never tried to do before ;) |
| 14:40.26 | Imhothar | like... extracting a file from assets instead of loading it... |
| 14:40.38 | ZorbaTHut | alisu, yeah, probably won't be changing anytime soon I'm afraid - it's tough enough to get results of what *did* change, it's much harder to get lists of what *will* change. If you need to track removals I recommend keeping a duplicate database around. |
| 14:41.07 | Alisu | What I actually want to track is where the money is coming or going |
| 14:41.20 | Alisu | If I could read the console messages I could parse them |
| 14:41.44 | Alisu | Now I can ask from console if it gets for example loot messages but no way to get the messages themselves |
| 14:43.54 | Alisu | So I have to try and figure out from related events where money may have gone from, or went |
| 14:44.08 | Alisu | Since the currency even is not too helpful with that either |
| 14:44.38 | ZorbaTHut | I might include that with the chat API once I put it together - if I forget when chat is released, remind me about it - but it'll be a bit, unfortunately |
| 14:45.04 | ZorbaTHut | and I'll probably just provide raw data so you don't have to parse, I actually wrote that system so I know how it works |
| 14:46.17 | Alisu | :) I know, seen your name around in forum |
| 14:49.18 | ZorbaTHut | well, I did write the addon system, but I mean the purchased log - that was one of my early projects before addons :V so it's one of the few things I can just confidently say "oh yeah, no problem" |
| 14:51.59 | Imhothar | the search geature in Win8 is really disappointing |
| 14:52.45 | Imhothar | it onll finds programs present on the start screen... what the hell |
| 14:53.24 | Alisu | I know I'm overthinking it but I've used couple last weeks for rift api research and both your names are big on it |
| 14:53.38 | Alisu | So it feels a bit like talking with legends right now :o |
| 14:53.52 | Imhothar | woooo, I'm legendary |
| 14:53.54 | Imhothar | I knew it! |
| 14:54.08 | ZorbaTHut | the community's kinda small ;) and we do our best to be helpful, so, hey! welcome to addon development :D |
| 14:54.10 | Imhothar | people always said I was special |
| 14:54.31 | Alisu | It's not necessarily purchase log I'm interested. I don't really care what item is sold. What I do care is, did the money come from vendor |
| 14:55.14 | Alisu | I think accounter kind of addon, which separates income from ah, quest rewards, vendor etc, as well as outcome to portcullis use, healers, vendors etc |
| 14:56.23 | Alisu | My biggest project thing now is the piemenu idea |
| 14:56.34 | ZorbaTHut | I think it's actually called "purchase log" because it started out as shop purchases. think I extended it to all transactions eventually |
| 14:56.40 | ZorbaTHut | though it wouldn't entirely surprise me if some messages are missing |
| 14:56.47 | Alisu | Unusable in combat as it is due security this and that but should work otherwise |
| 15:00.04 | Alisu | apart from purchases, does it tell data of looted money? Or money gathered from mails? |
| 15:00.14 | Alisu | Or quest rewards.. |
| 15:00.32 | ZorbaTHut | I believe so! you should be able to just run around the world and test things while looking at the log |
| 15:01.03 | Alisu | If I get the log data to an addon, gladly :) |
| 15:01.11 | ZorbaTHut | well, that's the part that'll take a bit, sadly |
| 15:01.51 | Alisu | how about the console messages? |
| 15:02.11 | Alisu | We already can ask a console what type of game messages it receives.. |
| 15:02.23 | Alisu | Getting them to an event? |
| 15:02.36 | ZorbaTHut | that's the stuff I'm talking about - and, honestly, once I'm exposing it, it's not too much more work to give you the raw data instead of the english data |
| 15:02.56 | ZorbaTHut | the console API is kind of unfinished - it's going to end up interlinking with the chat API better, and things like purchase logs will be in there also |
| 15:03.12 | Alisu | So it contains everything, experience, skill exp, items, money, planar stuff etc? |
| 15:03.30 | Alisu | Can't wait :) |
| 15:03.45 | ZorbaTHut | realistically much of that is going to be kept in the API that already has it. experience, for example, is already there via the experience API |
| 15:03.50 | ZorbaTHut | skill experience would be part of the crafting API |
| 15:04.41 | ZorbaTHut | items is in theory part of the item API; I don't know if we distinguish "looting" in the chat messages or not. If we do, the API probably needs to be augmented a bit. if not, then what you currently get is probably what's staying there |
| 15:05.03 | Ivnedar | You received: [item] |
| 15:05.17 | Ivnedar | You received: 56 gold 98 silver |
| 15:05.17 | Alisu | Oh by the way, now that I remember, chat tab background color :o |
| 15:05.43 | Alisu | It can't be set back to black at the moment |
| 15:05.46 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, I think you can get that via the item API and currency API right now, so that's probably Good Enough |
| 15:06.06 | ZorbaTHut | hah, fun. maybe I'll add a console.set API that lets you just set the ARGB values directly |
| 15:06.29 | Alisu | The problem is, they don't link.. if I know I get that 56g 98 silver I have no idea why I got it |
| 15:06.30 | Ivnedar | I'd love some console set commands that let me change rift.cfg settings in game :D |
| 15:06.43 | ZorbaTHut | In fairness, I don't think the game knows why you got it either - I suspect that data is gone by then. |
| 15:07.19 | ZorbaTHut | so at that point the request moves from "expose data that already exists" into "create a data pathway possibly linking several servers to provide information that is not currently available and works in all situations", and hopefully it's understandable if that's a lot less likely |
| 15:07.39 | ZorbaTHut | unfortunately game development is all about cost-benefit analysis :( |
| 15:07.41 | Alisu | True, but if I got item change event and could compare the money amount to the value of a thing I just lost.. |
| 15:07.49 | Alisu | Now I just get empty item slot |
| 15:07.59 | ZorbaTHut | Well, that's the point where I say "store the item database if you need to" :) |
| 15:08.15 | ZorbaTHut | which is actually pretty easy, you can just store return values of inspect.item.detail() |
| 15:08.41 | Alisu | I know..Just that keeping large databases around is not my idea of sensible memory use |
| 15:08.57 | Alisu | If they dublicate stuff I generally can ask from game |
| 15:09.05 | Alisu | Anyway, have to think of that |
| 15:09.28 | Alisu | At least items propably tell correct value for themselves even if they are not in the inventory |
| 15:09.38 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, not ideal, but it shouldn't be that big. Right now I think I'd recommend spending the memory - if it becomes a problem, another message *maybe* could be added, but it'd have to be justified and that might be tricky |
| 15:09.46 | Alisu | .. unlike quests whose value seems to be that said 12 silvers :( |
| 15:10.13 | ZorbaTHut | yeah I dunno what's going on there. |
| 15:10.33 | Ivnedar | quests that are currently active, or ones you've completed before? |
| 15:10.44 | Ivnedar | or ones you've not picked up? |
| 15:10.51 | Alisu | At least completed, don't know of those you haven't got yet |
| 15:11.05 | Alisu | I was testing it with the quest completing event |
| 15:11.17 | Alisu | During which, I got that result for quest detail |
| 15:11.29 | Ivnedar | It's sad that the objective info is only available while that stage is active, but I understand why that is |
| 15:13.15 | Alisu | I gave up and just assume the diff of the previous currency event is the quest reward as they always seem to fire in that order |
| 15:13.48 | Alisu | Ivnedar, yeah, that's another issue, but I mean the reward money field |
| 15:13.56 | Alisu | That exists, just gives odd value |
| 15:15.11 | Ivnedar | yeah, objectives = {}, rewardCoin = 12, rewardExperience = 3640, |
| 15:15.17 | Alisu | Also, the quest detail, even when the quest is active, doesn't seem to have any item type ID for the objective item |
| 15:15.27 | Ivnedar | only the category, id, name and summary are useful |
| 15:15.39 | Alisu | At the best, I have to parse it out by name from the text |
| 15:16.02 | Ivnedar | yeah, I was trying to make an addon to help do quests, macro in the use of the appropriate item as need by the location |
| 15:16.06 | Ivnedar | or target, etc |
| 15:16.11 | ZorbaTHut | huh, I thought the objective item id was included. Might've missed that one. |
| 15:16.33 | Alisu | Was most notable for fish Exchanges, as I was trying to do fish watcher to tell if I've gathered enough fishes for certain quests |
| 15:17.04 | Alisu | At work now with my mobile so can't give you any hard data |
| 15:18.14 | Ivnedar | the objective item isn't mentioned at all in the data that I can see |
| 15:18.34 | Alisu | Since the item ID seems to be stack/slot related, might be better to have item type |
| 15:18.58 | Alisu | If there is 0 of the item in the inventory, what would the ID be |
| 15:19.00 | Ivnedar | ahh, collecting items, hrrm |
| 15:19.49 | Ivnedar | yeah, description only |
| 15:19.57 | Ivnedar | type id makes most sense |
| 15:20.50 | Ivnedar | the ones I was thinking of were the quests where you have an item to use, that has the icon show up next to the quest in the tracker |
| 15:21.13 | Ivnedar | that info isn't shown in the quest detail either |
| 15:27.19 | Alisu | From fish quests I parse the name of the quest but that's not quite ideal |
| 15:28.00 | Alisu | And about missing data, collectible items which have been collected..They kind of disappear as far as addons are concerned |
| 15:28.21 | Ivnedar | objective = {{count = 4, countDone = 0, description = "Craft Caretaker Stews 0/4"}} |
| 15:28.43 | Ivnedar | yeah, they'll be in the hidden collectables bag I assume :) |
| 15:30.52 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, a collectable API is another of the things on the list |
| 15:30.59 | Ivnedar | woo! |
| 15:31.22 | Ivnedar | exposing "usable" on items was difficult you said before? |
| 15:31.44 | Ivnedar | on mounts/artifacts/etc |
| 15:32.15 | ZorbaTHut | I actually don't remember at this point. Maybe :V I know there's a bunch of stuff on items that isn't exposed at the moment |
| 15:33.33 | Alisu | But the items are quite accessible once finding out their types or id's.. like catching them when dragged with cursor |
| 15:35.03 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, the data's on the client, it's just not exposed yet |
| 15:35.29 | Alisu | :) I guess the client kind of has to know about them :P |
| 15:35.56 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, one of the few things it does know about :V we keep the client surprisingly in the dark about most things :) |
| 15:40.08 | Alisu | sigh, closing down the place has taken good 20 minutes more than usually.. I blame you guys... |
| 15:40.31 | Alisu | Or well, myself for finding myself to this channel at maybe the worst time of my workday :P |
| 15:40.53 | ZorbaTHut | sorry, sort of ;) |
| 15:40.55 | Alisu | Can't wait to get home to piece up my texturebackdrop generator.. |
| 15:41.11 | Alisu | Wait.. the file I was using was one of those random ones.. |
| 15:41.15 | Alisu | Darn |
| 15:41.36 | ZorbaTHut | I think there's someone who has an extractor - you shoudl be able to use that to get a .dds version of the texture |
| 15:42.00 | Alisu | When I asked about the extracting at forum noshei was quite strictly against it :P |
| 15:42.45 | ZorbaTHut | huh, curious. Well, it's not exactly a clean solution, but . . . sometimes the goal is just to make it work |
| 15:43.07 | Ivnedar | I haven't had the time or focus to get mine working |
| 15:43.36 | Alisu | Touching the pak files is something that goes beyond my programmers capabilities |
| 15:44.15 | Ivnedar | I think I had it working before the change to a streaming client ages ago |
| 15:44.31 | Ivnedar | now I get mostly garbled stuff and filenames |
| 15:50.30 | Alisu | there was some graphics guy askin in forum if we want any graphical assets and, well..Basic building blocks for dialog windows, that is, various backdrops would be nice :) |
| 15:50.59 | Imhothar | then tell him |
| 15:51.08 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, post in the thread :) |
| 15:51.26 | Alisu | I thought it was mentioned in the long list seebs posted.. maybe |
| 15:52.21 | Alisu | Also, I seem to have noticed the item icon zip was missing from the ftp yesterday.. was it just me? |
| 15:52.31 | Alisu | Or is it the seventh legion catalogue thingy now |
| 15:52.41 | ZorbaTHut | might need updating |
| 15:53.07 | Ivnedar | hrrm, I wonder what the seventh legion catalogue is |
| 15:53.08 | Alisu | What, it just randomly forgets files? |
| 15:53.48 | Alisu | Since I noticed that too on my mobile I couldn't get it to see |
| 15:53.50 | Ivnedar | oh, looks to be part of defiance |
| 15:54.02 | ZorbaTHut | there's garbage collection - if a file gets sufficiently old, it gets wiped. the theory is that we update things regularly but I think the person who does that has been busy lately |
| 15:54.34 | Ivnedar | new costumes for defiance, how odd that they ended up there |
| 15:54.41 | Alisu | Because I fetched the item zip just some days ago :) |
| 15:57.41 | Alisu | sigh, missed a bus due looking at irc.. |
| 15:58.42 | Alisu | Glad the next suitable one was not lng after, is cold up here |
| 15:59.23 | Alisu | How can I refer which files I mean if they have random name? |
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| 16:07.40 | ZorbaTHut | just describe 'em, the artists don't have access to the random names anyway |
| 16:08.20 | ZorbaTHut | or a screenshot |
| 16:09.51 | Alisu | I guess I could more straight say, all relevant textures in building macro edit window |
| 16:10.10 | ZorbaTHut | yup, that'd work |
| 16:10.16 | Alisu | Though some of them seem to repeat in all dialogs.. |
| 16:10.51 | Alisu | Like, that whitist background which seems to be background of every window partition, propably some kind of scrollview widegt |
| 16:11.13 | Alisu | Since it has the empty right edge even in windows which won't have any use for scrollbar |
| 16:11.32 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, there's a bunch of shared textures |
| 16:12.03 | Alisu | Actually, getting few more RiftWidgets would be awesome..But propably timeconsuming to do |
| 16:12.47 | Alisu | There is the simplewidgets library which does good work for functionality but my detail eye only sees how it differs drastically in look of rift's own windows |
| 16:13.22 | Imhothar | that library predates the texture recording api |
| 16:13.36 | Imhothar | those textures are probably taken from screenshots or repainted |
| 16:14.15 | Alisu | Naah, simplewinders library doesn't use texture |
| 16:14.31 | Alisu | They are simple "setbackground" stuff |
| 16:14.38 | Alisu | Or none at all |
| 16:15.04 | Alisu | They are textured when using riftWidgets |
| 16:15.28 | Alisu | But for example, scrollview is transparent and list windows are black |
| 16:15.58 | Alisu | Sure, the color can be reset but.. hurts my eye as in default UI _everything_ is textured |
| 16:18.12 | Alisu | I know I'm a bit perfectionist when it comes to that and I could just pass the look of my windows and add it later.. but I've actually been stuck with it while I should be coding the actual functionality |
| 16:19.37 | Imhothar | I once had a plan to mkae a UI library to recreate the Rift widgets, but that was long before Canvas and very difficult without a nonsensical Texture frame bloat |
| 16:19.47 | Imhothar | when Canvas came out I never had the time for it |
| 16:22.06 | Alisu | the canvas can be exploited for that, given the texture is at least available |
| 16:22.22 | Alisu | But your idea of marginalised stretch limit would be optimal |
| 16:24.06 | Alisu | Being able to give canvases transformation matrix some limits also came to my mind |
| 16:24.19 | Alisu | THough I think linear transformation is linear for a reason |
| 16:24.36 | Alisu | Would have to do the math of how that would work out |
| 16:26.45 | Alisu | I cought someone in old forum post claiming it's not possible to rotate texture on cnavas, I didn't seem to have any problem with proper matrix |
| 16:27.16 | Noshei | Alisu: I wouldn't suggest using simpleWidgets, it is out dated and wont work once ZorbaTHut removes the old event system |
| 16:28.24 | Alisu | I'm not using it, I just read it out as a study material of sorts |
| 16:28.43 | Alisu | For one, it's ugly for my eye, I can do the same myself but I want to do better |
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| 16:36.55 | Alisu_ | Now that I think of it, might as well ask a confirmation if zorba is still around. Is the pastebin API documentation up to date? |
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| 16:41.30 | ZorbaTHut | AFAIK, yep - I haven't been able to improve stuff lately, so it hasn't been changed much |
| 16:41.55 | Imhothar | you also got ApiBrowser |
| 16:42.02 | Alisu_ | That much was obvious, and it seemed to contain the most recent changes |
| 16:42.25 | Imhothar | with recommendation from Rift's QA team, right ZorbaTHut? |
| 16:42.31 | Alisu_ | Imhothar: I know, but I brushed my LaTeX skills to creTe PDF out of it, I need the doc offline |
| 16:42.45 | Imhothar | then check seeb's site |
| 16:42.58 | Imhothar | http://www.seebs.net/rift/live/ |
| 16:42.59 | ZorbaTHut | yeah apibrowser is pretty good :) |
| 16:43.11 | Imhothar | and http://www.seebs.net/rift/pts/ |
| 16:43.22 | Alisu_ | The txt file is nice but a bit hard to eye, and any pieced out website thingy is nice to use but not very offlinish |
| 16:43.31 | Alisu_ | PDF with links works better for that |
| 16:44.07 | Imhothar | I find PDFs hard to browse. mainly because the back button doesn't do what I'd like it to do |
| 16:44.51 | Alisu_ | With PDF having sensible toc, which most PDF readers let you use, it's way better than txt file :P |
| 16:45.02 | Noshei | Alisu: you can always export the docs from in game yourself as well |
| 16:45.03 | Imhothar | btw ZorbaTHut is it possible to somehow unlock my sticky? It's getting outdated and I can't edit it anymore |
| 16:45.50 | Alisu_ | Noshed, as I said in forum, I do that if I have to, but if zorba here says his doc is updated, I rather believe it :D |
| 16:45.56 | ZorbaTHut | sure, want to make a new thread? I can swap stickies |
| 16:45.59 | Noshei | Imhothar: there is about a 6 month limit on editing posts (even is you have the permissions to edit longer than most users) |
| 16:46.54 | Noshei | that has been an irk for guide writers for a long time |
| 16:47.52 | Imhothar | later today, I'll bump you when it's done ZorbaTHut |
| 16:48.06 | ZorbaTHut | sounds good |
| 16:48.11 | Alisu_ | Anyway, I shared my PDF, or as far as it's ready yet, in forum.. Works for me, maybe for someone else, doesn't have to work for everyone :) |
| 16:48.58 | Alisu_ | If even one person apart from myself finds it usefull it was worth to share it |
| 16:49.11 | ZorbaTHut | alisu, nice :D |
| 16:49.14 | Imhothar | regarding recentness of docs: ApiBrowser shows what the in-game API provides,so it's as up-to-date as ZorbaTHut keeps it |
| 16:49.24 | Imhothar | no idea how frequently seebs runs his scripts |
| 16:49.45 | Alisu_ | Seems live docs include canvas, pts version does not |
| 16:50.02 | Alisu_ | Which seems to be on the recent side of additions |
| 16:50.59 | Alisu | Seems live docs.. Darn this autocorrection.. |
| 16:51.07 | Alisu | ... Seebs |
| 16:51.11 | Alisu | Grrrrr |
| 16:52.39 | Alisu | Hmm.. Now that you have lured me into the sense of welcomeness, might as well share something from guild hat a bit earlier.. |
| 16:53.48 | Alisu | Talking about game time use, I mentioned lot of my time on past week had went to addon code debugging, guild mate of mine suggested instead to get real addons.. When I asked what real addons is, it's apparently something from real addon sites like curse or riftui.. |
| 16:54.22 | Imhothar | it's not real if you can't download it |
| 16:54.37 | Alisu | Trying to explain that someone has to actually so these "real" addons too, and that I actually had already one addon published on these "real" sites went to deaf ears.. |
| 16:55.03 | Alisu | 'actually do' |
| 16:55.36 | Imhothar | weird people are weird |
| 16:56.09 | Alisu | And our guild has all kinds :) |
| 16:58.43 | Alisu | Should I make a post of published addon in the addon/macro forum? |
| 16:58.59 | Alisu | Some people seem to do but.. |
| 17:00.33 | Imhothar | there's one already |
| 17:01.07 | Imhothar | oh there's a thread for my addon |
| 17:01.08 | Alisu | Well, I mentioned it in the thread where person asked that functionality.. |
| 17:01.08 | Imhothar | ups |
| 17:01.36 | Alisu | Hmmh, ups? |
| 17:02.28 | Imhothar | haven't looked for ages |
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| 17:03.26 | Imhothar | "how is the tooltip issue not fixed by now?" ah I remember this friendly one |
| 17:04.01 | Alisu | Ehat is the issue with it anyway, i have seen some addons that have their tooltip following mouse.. Is it special with item tooltips? |
| 17:04.31 | Imhothar | depends on what you display |
| 17:04.39 | Imhothar | only item and itemtype tooltips are broken afaik |
| 17:05.02 | Alisu | Which is handy if you make, say, inventory addon... :| |
| 17:06.15 | Alisu | Then again, how am i even able to open the inventory in fight, also to use items.. Shouldn't there be host of issues with restricted frames? |
| 17:06.37 | Imhothar | I'm not using any restricted api |
| 17:07.05 | Imhothar | not sure if items can be used in combat from IB though |
| 17:07.06 | Alisu | Oh.. But.. Macros? Items can be used without them? |
| 17:07.12 | Imhothar | yes |
| 17:07.34 | Alisu | What's IB |
| 17:07.55 | Alisu | Ah, the addon.. |
| 17:08.05 | Alisu | I have been able to use potions from it during fight |
| 17:08.39 | Alisu | Can't see why other items wouldn't work |
| 17:09.11 | Imhothar | I just never tried |
| 17:09.22 | Imhothar | but then, I haven't played the game since SL came out |
| 17:09.31 | Alisu | Hmm.. I could make unsecure item ring.. |
| 17:09.40 | Imhothar | think my main hasn't left Meridian for 2 years now |
| 17:10.39 | Alisu | Lost interest? |
| 17:10.47 | Imhothar | and lack of time |
| 17:11.03 | Alisu | Aww |
| 17:11.04 | Imhothar | and lack of a guild, so rather boring mostly |
| 17:11.51 | Alisu | I lucked out to find nice social one, no pressure for game style but funny guild chat |
| 17:14.11 | Alisu | By the way, has the ironoine been higher level area at some point? It's now 20-35 but there is a host of inconsistencies |
| 17:14.18 | Alisu | Ironpine |
| 17:15.12 | Alisu | Some of them mildly frustrating, like runebirch logs.. |
| 17:22.28 | Noshei | yes Alisu |
| 17:22.38 | Noshei | it was originally about 40-45 |
| 17:23.02 | Alisu | Hmm, yes, after droughlands |
| 17:23.39 | Alisu | That's where it's placed in achievement list |
| 17:24.37 | Alisu | Also, in trade quest return points. Was kind of wut at first. The areas where you have to return various skill level quests seem to progress nicely.. And then you get chancel of labours when you're past droughlands :o |
| 17:26.08 | Alisu | And I got a quest reward item with required level 40 from on of the zones first quests.. Only bit past level 20 |
| 17:26.38 | Alisu | Hmm, maybe I should do a ticket of that, actually |
| 17:27.20 | Alisu | As well as of the wrong wood item |
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| 17:37.39 | Noshei | you should |
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| 17:58.53 | seebs | Zorba: We currently get "<name> looted <item>" messages, so looting is distinguished at least sometimes. |
| 18:00.10 | seebs | Oh, and responding to something from roughly forever ago, the iOS update for the SSL issue says it's for the SSL issue. |
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| 18:02.45 | Imhothar | not the Mac one though |
| 18:03.04 | alisu | mac? |
| 18:04.57 | Imhothar | macosx |
| 18:05.13 | Noshei | macntrash |
| 18:05.34 | alisu | hmm, seems I'm missing line or two, sorry I was jumping a bit |
| 18:05.57 | alisu | I was avid ircer years ago but somehow shifted out some years back |
| 18:06.13 | alisu | now I'm trying to find feesible ircing solution |
| 18:06.36 | alisu | landed down to screen on friends server and irssi |
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| 18:40.57 | Alisu | posted in the texture thread.. though.. I wonder if the graphics guy reads it anymore |
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| 21:12.51 | Alisu | ok, now that I got to game I see the actual vendor messages I mentioned earlier today |
| 21:13.08 | Alisu | If I sell something to vendor, the actual game message that I get is |
| 21:13.49 | Alisu | You sold <item name> to <vendor name> for <money amount> |
| 21:14.28 | Alisu | it connects the "item goes away, money comes in" |
| 21:14.52 | seebs_ | Yeah. I would love to get those events, because there's a whole lot of cases where the base UI clearly knows what specifically happened to the money or item. |
| 21:15.57 | Alisu | was asking about it earlier and I think zorba gave tentative yes for them being available along with the maybe would be chat API |
| 21:16.52 | Alisu | and in such case, I'm not really interested about the item id, I just need to know something is vendored, as specific case of why an item went away |
| 21:17.26 | Alisu | no, actually, not quite, I just need to know something was vendored as a specific case for why money came in |
| 21:18.43 | Alisu | Or, as it seems, "You turned in <quest name> for <money amount> |
| 21:18.52 | Alisu | again, it connects the dots for where money came from |
| 21:19.12 | Alisu | actually I think most money traffic console messages have parseable reason for the money traffic |
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| 22:29.41 | Repo | king-molinator: kekoas * r765 (13 files in 6 directories): |
| 22:29.41 | Repo | (765) 1.5.7 Alpha cycle start. German translations, and a couple of fixes. |
| 23:42.09 | Noshei | seebs_: you moving forward with making a better in game combat log? |
| 23:48.13 | seebs_ | I don't know. |
| 23:48.18 | seebs | I might. |