| 00:03.48 | tormented | ahh i fixed it, had a function left open. It was erroring out on line BBoptions:SetVisible(false) saying it was an improper function call to SetVisible. All fixed now thanks lol |
| 00:35.00 | seebs | There's no circumstance under which a missing frame or function would return false; they'd throw exceptions instead. |
| 00:35.32 | seebs | But if x then print("trueish") else print("falseish") end will print "falseish" for false or nil, "trueish" for absolutely anything else. |
| 00:36.01 | seebs | And "not x" is true if x was false or nil, false otherwise. So "SetVisible(not GetVisible()))" is a toggle. |
| 00:36.13 | tormented | makes perfect sense |
| 01:24.51 | tormented | i am trying to see how much free inventory you have, should I be using Inspect.Item.Detail along with parsing the table in order to get my current inventory? |
| 01:26.39 | tormented | also tried using Inspect.Item.List as well as a few other functions |
| 01:27.26 | tormented | very basic on what i want to do, grab the characters total bags, loop through the content and add up free slots |
| 01:29.51 | tormented | Utility.Item.Slot.Inventory |
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| 01:40.13 | tormented | is there an api to grab a bags total slot size? |
| 01:44.29 | seebs | I am not sure. I've just used Inspect.Item.List() and looked at the "false" entries. |
| 01:44.54 | seebs | I don't know whether the versions of the related addons which have the code are actually currently up anywhere. |
| 01:44.56 | Ivnedar | Inspect.Item.Detail(Utility.Item.Slot.Inventory("bag", 1)).slots |
| 01:45.01 | tormented | tyvm, was reading on the 2011 update "Added *.Item.*, for inspecting inventory and banks, as well as equipping and reorganizing items. " |
| 01:45.07 | Ivnedar | to get the number of slots of the first bag |
| 01:45.48 | tormented | ahh tyvm. now for some if statements to see if they have all 7 bags e.t.c. then loop through |
| 01:46.04 | Ivnedar | bags = Inspect.Item.Detail(Utility.Item.Slot.Inventory("bag")) |
| 01:46.08 | Ivnedar | should give you all the bags |
| 01:46.20 | Ivnedar | loop over the table you get back from it |
| 01:46.25 | tormented | bag on the wiki says it represents the default bag meaning the 1st |
| 01:46.50 | Ivnedar | hrrm, may need to try all 7 then, I thought it would match all of them |
| 01:47.04 | tormented | bag: The number of the bag whose contents should be inspected, starting at 1, or "bag" to inspect the actual inventory bags |
| 01:47.12 | Ivnedar | yeah |
| 01:47.24 | tormented | if i did 2 in my test example 2,1 that would be bag #2 slot 1 |
| 01:47.37 | Ivnedar | "bag" should match all the bags, ("bag", 1) should match the first bag |
| 01:48.17 | tormented | ahh so bag is like a total or if specified can be used per bag slot 1 through 7 |
| 01:48.34 | Ivnedar | it's a utility for generating strings that you pass into the inspect call |
| 01:48.46 | Ivnedar | "bag" will return "bag" and "bag", 1 will return "bag1" |
| 01:48.48 | Ivnedar | or something like that |
| 01:49.06 | Ivnedar | and "bag" will match "bag1", "bag2", "bag3" etc |
| 01:49.25 | Ivnedar | but you're meant to use the utility routines as that string could potentially change any time |
| 01:52.46 | Ivnedar | if you want to see what it'd look like, try in a chat window in game, /script dump(Inspect.Item.Detail(Utility.Item.Slot.Inventory("bag"))) |
| 01:54.21 | tormented | very nice and very much appreciated! been using LuaPad in game for testing things. That or reload the ui hundreds of times to check things |
| 01:54.32 | Ivnedar | *nod* |
| 01:55.36 | tormented | luaPad seems to be broke. enter does not work, wasn't going to go through the code to fix it so for now just create a bunch of line returns in notepad++ copy them and paste in luapad |
| 01:55.46 | seebs | RiftRC |
| 01:55.51 | Ivnedar | ^ |
| 01:56.27 | seebs | LuaPad was probably broken by the change in the parameters to the key events, which was desperately needed but also meant that we went from "a string containing a literal carriage return" to "the word Return" or something like that. |
| 01:57.04 | tormented | gotcha |
| 01:58.57 | tormented | wow this is amazing. love it |
| 01:59.07 | tormented | thanks again guys for helping me |
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| 02:36.42 | seebs | Huh. |
| 02:36.52 | seebs | Admittedly, I have adequate reasons to avoid this already, but I am curious. |
| 02:37.16 | Ivnedar | I want to spend more time flying around on the PTS |
| 02:37.21 | Ivnedar | Stuck at work :( |
| 02:37.50 | seebs | It occurred to me that given an addon which is already doing communications, it wouldn't be super hard to add backdoors to it. |
| 02:38.06 | seebs | Which could do things like report lists of alts to anyone who sends a particular addon message to it. |
| 02:38.09 | Ivnedar | I've considered it as part of the kbm build I give to guildies |
| 02:38.17 | Ivnedar | so I can check when they're updated and push new encounters to them mid raid |
| 02:38.53 | Ivnedar | but, you could do things like mail the addon author 5g every time a mail is sent with easymail, etc ;) |
| 02:39.06 | seebs | RiftRC has a thing for executing remote code bits, although it doesn't have a way for responses to get sent back. |
| 02:39.46 | seebs | But it occurred to me that I could very easily, say, have LibMerisioux quietly embed lists of alts in the data it sends out. |
| 02:40.02 | seebs | Because people who gloat about how no one can ever tie their actions to their mains annoy me. |
| 02:40.09 | Ivnedar | Hrrm, addons can't get the user's login can they |
| 02:40.20 | seebs | But it occurs to me (and this is the sort of question to ask Zorba, I guess), that there may or may not be rules on such things in Trion's policies. |
| 02:40.22 | seebs | They can't. |
| 02:40.39 | Ivnedar | wasn't sure if there was something that leaked in from the saved variables or something |
| 02:40.47 | seebs | You can distinguish which of several accounts you're on, but only "this is the first account addons saw" or "this is the second account addons saw". |
| 02:40.53 | Ivnedar | *nod* |
| 02:41.07 | seebs | Note that the saved variable directories expose login names. |
| 02:41.09 | seebs | Huh. |
| 02:41.14 | Ivnedar | so, you could leak out that "this account is on the same system as this other account" |
| 02:41.19 | Ivnedar | to expose trolls |
| 02:41.27 | tormented | indeed |
| 02:41.28 | seebs | I just realized another flaw with that. If you change your email address, you "lose" your saved variables. |
| 02:41.49 | seebs | And yes, you could. And honestly, I think the trolls who think they're uncatchable because they are changing their IP address are idiots. |
| 02:41.49 | Ivnedar | yeah, or if you change shards, or rename toon |
| 02:42.02 | seebs | If you are choosing to run some third party's binary on your computer, you have already lost. |
| 02:42.30 | Ivnedar | but yeah, I was wondering if that saved variable path bit was exposed anywhere, as that would give you username |
| 02:43.05 | Ivnedar | I imagine that ZorbaTHut would be pretty cross if it had leaked somewhere |
| 02:43.34 | Amadeus- | well, they've announced the downtime for tomorrow and said it's 2.6 ..but no patch notes yet ....anyone seen patch notes posted? |
| 02:44.57 | tormented | http://community.riftgame.com/en/2014/02/05/rift-2-6-dream-weaver/ |
| 02:45.25 | tormented | have others posted for upcoming patches after that all the way upto 3.0 won't be definate but pretty close |
| 02:45.26 | Ivnedar | I imagine they're still getting info together for the patch notes |
| 02:45.34 | Ivnedar | deciding what on the PTS is actually making it to the live build |
| 02:45.40 | Amadeus- | meh ..i don't care so much about the features ...mostly like seeing hte technical changes to classes ..hehe. |
| 02:45.42 | seebs | I haven't yet spotted a way to get at such info. |
| 02:46.03 | Ivnedar | since not everything on PTS will make it to live this patch |
| 02:46.59 | Ivnedar | That reminds me, must push out a new ReDAR build today for 2.6 |
| 02:47.10 | Ivnedar | since the map data for resource nodes is changing |
| 02:47.13 | seebs | So, I have a LibAccounts which stashes an account-specific variable and then lets you distinguish which alts are on which accounts. |
| 02:47.20 | seebs | I based it on a suggestion Zorba made. |
| 02:47.47 | seebs | ... it got reported as an exploit by an enthusiastic RiftUI user, and he had to confirm that, yes, by suggesting that I do it that way, he was in fact implying that this was permitted. :P |
| 02:47.52 | Amadeus- | Ivnedar, has ZorbaTHut posted any changes to the addon api for 2.6? (i.e., should I be looking for anything that will break the addons that I maintain?) |
| 02:48.12 | Ivnedar | nothing directly affecting the API that I know of |
| 02:48.20 | Ivnedar | only data changes |
| 02:48.50 | Ivnedar | like minimap nodes changing to be coloured based on the type of node, so the datastrings you get back from Inspect.Map.Detail change |
| 02:48.53 | Ivnedar | and new items |
| 02:48.55 | Amadeus- | also, for those that have tested dreamweaver ....for skilling up, do you need to start by crafting with lower level artifacts? (i.e., should I start trolling lower level zones for artifacts?) |
| 02:49.01 | Ivnedar | can't think of anything that you'd need to worry about |
| 02:49.02 | Amadeus- | ahhh |
| 02:49.03 | Amadeus- | ok |
| 02:49.05 | Amadeus- | cool |
| 02:49.09 | Ivnedar | you can break any level any time |
| 02:49.14 | Amadeus- | k |
| 02:49.15 | Ivnedar | but, the amount of ribbons you get back is based on your level |
| 02:49.21 | Amadeus- | ah |
| 02:49.28 | Ivnedar | white ones increase the most % wise, but least number wise |
| 02:49.31 | Amadeus- | so, it's good for a lvl 60 character |
| 02:49.40 | Ivnedar | relic ones increase the least % wise, but the most number wise |
| 02:50.13 | Amadeus- | does it take a long time to skill up? |
| 02:50.31 | Ivnedar | the most efficient way is to get someone else to who's already 375 to break them |
| 02:50.36 | Ivnedar | you get the most ribbons for your artifacts |
| 02:50.59 | Ivnedar | but, you then have to get the artifacts to them and get the ribbons back |
| 02:51.04 | Ivnedar | and find someone who's already levelled it |
| 02:51.09 | Amadeus- | uea |
| 02:51.11 | Amadeus- | yea |
| 02:51.20 | Amadeus- | I'll level one toon to 375 ..then see about whether I want to do any others |
| 02:51.32 | Amadeus- | I wish Rift had benefits for actually BEING a crafter like WoW does |
| 02:51.36 | Ivnedar | I'm racing a few people in guild to 375 :P |
| 02:51.48 | Ivnedar | the benefits are convenience |
| 02:52.00 | Ivnedar | I used to want the wow stat boosts based on professions |
| 02:52.07 | Amadeus- | yea, but it's nice having things you can craft that are only usable by those with the profession |
| 02:52.14 | Amadeus- | makes it more useful/special |
| 02:52.18 | Ivnedar | but then you get the whole pay2win issue of being able to buy more profession slots with credits for more stats |
| 02:52.34 | Ivnedar | I'm not a fan of the relic cap recipe drop rate |
| 02:52.40 | Ivnedar | but otherwise I'm ok with it all |
| 02:52.45 | Ivnedar | I like being self sufficient |
| 02:53.09 | Amadeus- | Ivnedar, so it sounds like the best thing to do for "leveling" dreamweaver is to go to a low levle zone with a AE dps spec and farm artifacts there with vials? |
| 02:53.47 | Ivnedar | find a quiet zone, pop patron artifact vial with omen sight up |
| 02:53.51 | Ivnedar | and lots of spare bag space |
| 02:53.51 | Amadeus- | I missed the whole era of the "twisted" artifacts ...so, should I have some sort of buff ofor that too? |
| 02:53.54 | Amadeus- | ok |
| 02:53.56 | Ivnedar | yeah |
| 02:54.02 | Imhothar | I used to be a tailor in WoW all the way up to 300, then realized you can't do anything useful with it and switched to engineering. and now it's almost the other way around |
| 02:54.05 | Ivnedar | I think it has a few different names for the same buff |
| 02:54.18 | Ivnedar | Imhothar: I was weaponsmith and engineer |
| 02:54.19 | Amadeus- | Ivnedar, are there special zones for the twisted artirfactS? |
| 02:54.26 | Ivnedar | Amadeus-: They're everywhere |
| 02:54.46 | Amadeus- | Imhothar, I was jeweler (which was very useful I think), leatherworker, and errrr..I forgot :) |
| 02:55.00 | seebs | Twisted artifacts => quantum sight or omen sight. |
| 02:55.02 | Amadeus- | my main was druid |
| 02:55.12 | Amadeus- | seebs, but they're in all zones |
| 02:55.44 | Amadeus- | correct? |
| 02:55.50 | Ivnedar | I went weaponsmith because there was one sword that was bis that only weaponsmiths could make an weild |
| 02:55.51 | Imhothar | tailor and warlock did sound great in the beginning, but the only thing you could do as tailor at lvl 60 was sell bags and it didn't really cut. Now all you can do as engineer is built stuff nobody else can use... |
| 02:55.53 | seebs | All zones that have artifacts. |
| 02:56.02 | seebs | In SL, they're the same spawn points, in pre-SL, they're different spawn points. |
| 02:56.04 | Amadeus- | seebs, I meant ...all zones have twisted |
| 02:56.34 | Ivnedar | oh, unstable artifacts are coming in some time soon too |
| 02:56.37 | Ivnedar | possibly in 2.6 tomorrow |
| 02:56.56 | Ivnedar | they're blue |
| 02:56.57 | Imhothar | the chopper was quite special though |
| 02:57.08 | Imhothar | until they decided to remove its requirements, now everyone can ride one |
| 02:57.11 | Imhothar | just not build it |
| 02:57.13 | Ivnedar | Yeah, loved the mech bike |
| 02:57.14 | Ivnedar | yup |
| 02:57.32 | Amadeus- | I hope the new conquest comes in |
| 02:57.38 | Imhothar | and that reminds me my main in WoW still isn't 90 |
| 02:57.43 | Amadeus- | I think the pvp relic armor is supposed to be added |
| 02:57.51 | Imhothar | and my main in rift still isn't 60 |
| 02:57.54 | Imhothar | damn I'm slacking |
| 02:58.05 | Ivnedar | yeah, pvp relic armor upgrades |
| 02:58.15 | Amadeus- | hey Imhothar, I released 0.19beta2 of imhothar's bags on Feb. 2 ...haven't had a single error reported in the daily addon report thus far :) |
| 02:58.19 | Ivnedar | myrm gear + pve t1 relic piece = relic pvp gear |
| 02:58.25 | Amadeus- | 5,000+ downloads |
| 02:58.29 | Ivnedar | Amadeus-: daily reports were broken ;) |
| 02:58.49 | Imhothar | what made 0.19 special? |
| 02:58.53 | Amadeus- | I'm getting them every day ..I still get some for 0.18beta ...but, just saying that the 0.19beta+ is good so far |
| 02:59.10 | Amadeus- | Imhothar, I think I finally plugged up all the performance warning errors |
| 02:59.24 | Amadeus- | those were what was causing the reports mostly |
| 02:59.56 | Ivnedar | blame whoever gave everyone a lot more bag/bank slots! |
| 03:00.21 | Ivnedar | oh, wife did get an error with latest build |
| 03:00.23 | Amadeus- | I've also fixed every bug that has been reported so far, I think. |
| 03:00.31 | Amadeus- | what was it? |
| 03:00.35 | Ivnedar | if you get gkicked at the same time as it's looping over the guild bank contents, it errors :D |
| 03:00.41 | Amadeus- | lol |
| 03:02.11 | Amadeus- | Imhothar, did you see http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=GTL-E9hprGE&vq=hd1080 ? That's 1 of only 2 truly new things I've done with it honestly. It was the first step in eventually having "custom categories" ...if I ever find the time/motivation to finish it. |
| 03:02.12 | Ivnedar | ZorbaTHut: any idea who's lobbying for wand kata? :) |
| 03:03.02 | Ivnedar | Some dimensions really do blow me away |
| 03:03.10 | Ivnedar | http://forums.riftgame.com/game-discussions/dimensions/413322-part-i-great-castle-ashlaryn.html |
| 03:03.36 | Amadeus- | in that video I set all of the categories at once ..but it works to just do them one or two at a time. |
| 03:03.38 | seebs | Some people I know screwed up dim permissions, and had their dim utterly WRECKED by vandals. |
| 03:03.54 | seebs | Took them an insane amount of effort to get escalated several tiers in CS to reach someone willing to talk about reverting it. |
| 03:04.48 | Imhothar | very epic music considering all you do is punch in numbers |
| 03:05.02 | Amadeus- | hehe |
| 03:05.06 | Amadeus- | I was in a russian mood |
| 03:05.07 | Ivnedar | I wonder if there are backups kept of dimension states |
| 03:05.15 | Ivnedar | seems like it could be done with a small amount of space |
| 03:05.23 | Imhothar | I would have probably tried to do it with drag&drop right away |
| 03:05.32 | Ivnedar | oooh, an addon idea, add in dimension backups |
| 03:05.38 | Ivnedar | it saves the state to saved vars |
| 03:05.44 | Ivnedar | you can load it back up any time |
| 03:05.50 | Ivnedar | revert to previous edit if needed |
| 03:06.01 | Imhothar | you made an entire channel just for that one video? |
| 03:06.02 | Ivnedar | Though surely other dimension addons do that already |
| 03:06.04 | Amadeus- | ok, "Combat Pet Skins" actually might be cool if it works on my ranger piets :) |
| 03:06.11 | Imhothar | I actually never saw anyone else use IB before |
| 03:06.22 | Amadeus- | Imhothar, I've just never made a video before :) |
| 03:06.23 | Amadeus- | IB? |
| 03:06.35 | Imhothar | the hell?! |
| 03:06.36 | Imhothar | IB!! |
| 03:06.39 | Imhothar | IB!!!! |
| 03:07.20 | Ivnedar | icy burst? :P |
| 03:07.29 | Imhothar | oh you... |
| 03:07.33 | Amadeus- | in all my years of gaming, I've never made videos until recently ...just bought FRAPS before mamking that video ..haha. |
| 03:08.30 | Imhothar | if onyl I had more time... |
| 03:13.52 | Imhothar | well at least I got one single donation out of it |
| 03:14.36 | Imhothar | some guy thought it was worth 10 bucks to him like a year ago or something |
| 03:48.20 | Thorarin | Hmm well, it's a pretty rare thing indeed... I've had several little projects with thousands and thousands of users that have never gotten a single donation, so I kinda stopped wasting my time asking for them :P |
| 03:50.40 | Noshei | I think I got one donation once for 10 maybe 15 dollars for easymail |
| 03:51.02 | Noshei | gotta say though the curse rewards system has given me a couple hundred bucks so far |
| 03:52.13 | Thorarin | Well, at least that's something |
| 03:52.18 | Ivnedar | what's the curse rewards system? |
| 03:52.19 | Noshei | yeah |
| 03:52.54 | Thorarin | Karuul still holds the project on Curse, so I wouldn't know if it would actually generate any more than cents really :P |
| 03:53.15 | Noshei | http://www.curse.com/legacycontent/page-28 |
| 03:53.25 | Noshei | http://www.curse.com/author-reward-points-faq |
| 03:54.05 | Noshei | you can get paypal giftcards with the points = free money! |
| 03:54.47 | Noshei | looks like I've gotten $250 so far, thought it was more though |
| 03:55.29 | Ivnedar | ah, opt in |
| 03:57.24 | Ivnedar | ok, not caring enough to fill out tax details :P |
| 04:23.20 | Imhothar | reward system? |
| 04:25.15 | Imhothar | tax details? |
| 04:25.29 | Imhothar | did the sky just fall and I didn't notice? |
| 04:26.05 | Imhothar | and did my chat client just flash for my very own message? everything's crumbling already... |
| 04:27.23 | Imhothar | so I missed on about 2 years of money... awesome |
| 05:12.24 | seebs | Well, that's one more expert I've seen. Unhallowed Boneforge. Was fun. |
| 05:16.34 | Ivnedar | ooh, yay |
| 05:16.37 | Ivnedar | expert? |
| 05:19.03 | Ivnedar | lol, just saw the aquarium on an rc car with a webcam tracking the fish's position |
| 05:19.18 | Ivnedar | the fish can control the car by moving to particular places in the tank |
| 05:29.21 | seebs | And yeah, expert. |
| 05:29.33 | seebs | I got the conqueror achievement, and since I'd never seen it before, I consider that a good group. |
| 05:30.06 | Ivnedar | The throne was an interesting fight |
| 05:30.23 | Ivnedar | I used to tell new people that the dragon was the last boss ;) |
| 05:30.31 | Noshei | lol |
| 05:30.34 | Ivnedar | then be all "oh no!!" when it gets pulled |
| 05:30.34 | seebs | Yeah. I went pyrochon for it, because while I was mostly heals, there was another mage who didn't have viable DPS options, I guess. |
| 05:37.25 | Noshei | so I've been thinking about defiler and how it seems they are currently making raid bosses with the preconception that you have a defiler in the raid |
| 05:37.37 | Noshei | rather disappointed by that |
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| 07:15.55 | Thorarin | *sigh* why do critical Windows updates always appear shortly after rebooting :/ |
| 07:16.44 | Thorarin | Usually followed by a Flash update on the next reboot, but I've had that one last night, I think :P |
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| 07:30.36 | Amadeus- | still no patch notes :( |
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| 09:05.08 | Ivnedar | oh wow, so not only are the relic cape recipes insanely rare, they share a cooldown ... |
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| 16:19.45 | Noshei | ooo, new taning runes from faction vendors! |
| 16:21.45 | Ivnedar | yup :) |
| 16:21.53 | Ivnedar | can finally replace some level 50 runes :) |
| 16:22.55 | Ivnedar | oh no, the return of the Love Bug |
| 16:22.57 | Ivnedar | shudders |
| 16:23.37 | Ivnedar | woah, the mouselook bug is fixed :O |
| 16:24.27 | Ivnedar | ooer, res lag fixed |
| 16:25.25 | Ivnedar | and the patch is available |
| 16:26.05 | Ivnedar | wow @ valor change |
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| 17:35.35 | Ivnedar | servers up |
| 17:37.54 | Noshei | yeah |
| 17:52.44 | Ivnedar | and down |
| 17:52.56 | Noshei | yeah, they crashed |
| 17:53.08 | Noshei | was at about 200 dw |
| 17:53.19 | Ivnedar | I'm only 120 |
| 17:53.24 | Ivnedar | I could have planned that so much better |
| 17:53.36 | Ivnedar | I've got mailbox full of 1-3 arti stacks |
| 17:53.42 | Ivnedar | instead of having stacks of 99 |
| 17:53.58 | Ivnedar | one guy on laethys is flying ahead, 300+ |
| 17:54.11 | Ivnedar | I wonder if there'll be rollback |
| 17:54.39 | Noshei | hope not, though it will have little effect on me (as long as I dont lose artifacts |
| 17:56.10 | Ivnedar | getting 4 points per craft is pretty nice |
| 17:56.35 | Noshei | 4!? |
| 17:56.39 | Ivnedar | yeah |
| 17:56.39 | Noshei | guild perk? |
| 17:56.44 | Ivnedar | 160% orb + guild perk |
| 17:56.47 | Noshei | yeah |
| 17:56.56 | Noshei | no guild perk for me, so just 2-3 |
| 17:58.08 | Noshei | not sure if you knew this, but 1-75 (break purple) 76-150 (green), 151-225 (blue), 226-300 (green), 301+ everything |
| 17:58.16 | Ivnedar | yeah |
| 17:58.18 | Noshei | for which artifacts to break down and when |
| 17:58.44 | Noshei | that will give you the most amount for the level your at. Also only do as much as you need |
| 18:02.24 | Noshei | wish they would add an achievement for getting all crafts to max on one character |
| 18:02.30 | Noshei | I feel like there should be one |
| 18:02.49 | Ivnedar | the reason against it is you can only do that through credits |
| 18:03.03 | Noshei | then it would just not have points for it |
| 18:03.05 | Ivnedar | It'd have to be worth no points and go under promotions or something lame |
| 18:05.44 | Noshei | I completely understand why they grossly over estimate downtime, but I really wish they wouldn't |
| 18:06.02 | seebs | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:06.17 | Ivnedar | yeah, some nice things in the notes |
| 18:09.34 | seebs | Oooh. " * Removed 3m range requirements for all Marksman abilities." |
| 18:09.48 | Noshei | yeah |
| 18:11.45 | Noshei | wonder what the new macro icons are |
| 18:11.58 | Ivnedar | Hi guys, Sorry about that-- the shards had to come down for just a moment as we make a configuration change. The shards will be back online and accessible as soon as possible! |
| 18:12.04 | Ivnedar | the raid marks |
| 18:12.56 | Noshei | ? |
| 18:13.00 | Noshei | oh |
| 18:13.35 | seebs | This is a really nice QoL patch, MHO. |
| 18:15.56 | Noshei | http://forums.riftgame.com/general-discussions/general-discussion/414125-so-when-economy-fix-coming.html |
| 18:16.01 | Noshei | ^ that made me lol |
| 18:21.51 | Ivnedar | the vk buff change is definitely qol :) |
| 18:22.01 | Ivnedar | I think I'll need 3 buffs now instead of 8 |
| 18:22.15 | Noshei | I wonder what people were able to access that caused them to have to take down the shards |
| 18:22.17 | Ivnedar | 8 gcds to start generating mitigation after being brez'd is a long time |
| 18:22.33 | Noshei | http://forums.riftgame.com/general-discussions/general-discussion/414147-shards-locked-now-discoveries-go-those-who-stay-logged.html#post4695535 |
| 18:23.09 | Noshei | omg, just saw the next post when I refreshed the page |
| 18:23.12 | Ivnedar | maybe the new souls |
| 18:23.16 | Noshei | dummy foundry on live! |
| 18:23.34 | Ivnedar | dummy foundry |
| 18:23.34 | Ivnedar | ahahaha |
| 18:23.57 | Noshei | wow, yeah that could be slightly bad |
| 18:24.06 | Ivnedar | t2 relics for all! |
| 18:24.11 | Ivnedar | infinite dream orbs |
| 18:24.11 | Noshei | wonder how many people jumped in there and got free stuff |
| 18:24.18 | Noshei | and infinite plat |
| 18:24.33 | Thorarin | * Being resurrected by another player in an instance no longer causes a long load delay. |
| 18:24.35 | Thorarin | w00t :) |
| 18:25.15 | Ivnedar | man, so tired and can't stop laughing at the possibilities |
| 18:25.24 | Noshei | lol Thorarin, seebs said the same thing like 20 ago |
| 18:25.56 | Thorarin | Hmm oh yeah :P |
| 18:26.02 | Ivnedar | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:26.07 | Noshei | oh that clean up has got to suck, hopefully not too many people bought stuff off the vendor in there |
| 18:26.16 | Ivnedar | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:26.27 | Ivnedar | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:26.51 | Ivnedar | definitely a well liked fix |
| 18:26.56 | Noshei | yeah |
| 18:27.00 | Thorarin | * Fixed a rare mouselook bug that would randomly cause the camera to look straight up or straight down. Let's all share a moment of silence for the passing of this ancient bug that was older than the game itself. |
| 18:27.04 | Thorarin | OMG OMG OMG |
| 18:27.15 | Noshei | lol |
| 18:27.22 | Ivnedar | It'll be interesting if the pvp "fix" to tempest also ends up affecting ultane/proteus |
| 18:27.42 | Ivnedar | suddenly lots of guilds can't kill them any more |
| 18:27.45 | Noshei | why would it Ivnedar? |
| 18:28.07 | Ivnedar | there are pvp mechanics in the ultane fight |
| 18:28.25 | Noshei | sorta |
| 18:28.38 | Noshei | there is pvp damage, from people in your party |
| 18:28.46 | Ivnedar | if that causes ultane to have a pvp flag internally |
| 18:28.55 | Ivnedar | yeah, the shackle mechanic |
| 18:28.55 | Noshei | but the turrets are not pvp flagged |
| 18:29.16 | Ivnedar | true |
| 18:29.20 | Noshei | and I highly doubrt ultane is pvp flagged |
| 18:30.19 | Noshei | looks like they reduced aoe taunts to 20 second cd, that is nice |
| 18:30.51 | Ivnedar | yeah, not sure why that happened |
| 18:32.11 | Noshei | yeah neither am i |
| 18:33.34 | seebs | Huh, something changed with the account-bound tooltips, maybe that fixes the confusing tooltips. |
| 18:33.47 | Ivnedar | with the binds to account vs bound to account text ? |
| 18:34.09 | seebs | Probably. |
| 18:34.42 | Ivnedar | or maybe when sending item links in chat, showing whether or not the item is bound |
| 18:35.39 | Ivnedar | though I imagine that one would be a lot harder to fix |
| 18:36.30 | Noshei | would be nice if they just had it say Tradable, Tradable (Account Only), Not Tradable |
| 18:36.38 | Noshei | so simple |
| 18:37.04 | Ivnedar | and never switch between them? |
| 18:37.16 | Ivnedar | so if you can trade an item to someone, they can use it and trade it on later? |
| 18:37.22 | Noshei | no |
| 18:37.39 | Noshei | still have stuff work the same way it does now, just with simple and clear text |
| 18:38.16 | Ivnedar | Not Tradable on Equip? |
| 18:38.40 | Ivnedar | Tradable until Equipped maybe |
| 18:40.56 | seebs | You know, I haven't seen the mysterious rejected-URL messages from the boards in a while. I wonder whether they finally got debugged. |
| 18:41.08 | seebs | For lazy people, the Welcome Back thread is updated. |
| 18:42.41 | Thorarin | JUSTICAR |
| 18:42.41 | Thorarin | * Righteous Imperative: Cooldown has been reduced to 20s. |
| 18:42.45 | Thorarin | wth? |
| 18:42.52 | Ivnedar | You could update it to say "If you need to quickly get to level 60, use the port from Tempest Bay to the Dummy Foundry and buy the item to instantly make you level 60." |
| 18:43.25 | Noshei | Thorarin: they changed all of the aoe taunts to 20 seconds (except the ones that pull mobs) |
| 18:43.43 | Ivnedar | which pretty much have no cooldown :D |
| 18:43.57 | Thorarin | Oh, missed the other ones, was wondering why it was the only one... |
| 18:44.03 | Thorarin | ..but still, kinda lame :P |
| 18:44.19 | Ivnedar | especially now people will put them into their rotations :P |
| 18:44.25 | seebs | The problem with the binding tooltips was that if you had an account-bound item, it would say "Binds to Account" in tooltips if people clicked on a link. |
| 18:44.25 | Ivnedar | like they do with taunt ... |
| 18:44.39 | seebs | So you couldn't tell whether an item someone linked was already bound or merely would-bind in the future. |
| 18:44.43 | Ivnedar | yeah, links are to item types, not instances |
| 18:45.11 | seebs | It's slightly more complicated. Links do include runes and transfiguration. |
| 18:45.39 | seebs | But the problem is: You can't tell whether someone is really able to trade an item from looking at the link. |
| 18:46.04 | Ivnedar | yeah, that's the issue I was saying would be hard to fix |
| 18:46.26 | Ivnedar | changing the data format in item links would be harder than changing some text strings |
| 18:52.18 | seebs | Yeah, if they just changed it to "Binds to Account on Pickup" or "Binds to Account on Equip", that would be enough. |
| 18:52.51 | Ivnedar | but you still couldn't tell from the link |
| 18:52.53 | Noshei | yeah Thorarin I agree, it may end up being problematic, because people are bad. Though I can always hope it doesn;t |
| 18:54.43 | Ivnedar | They could add extra text to it saying <Bound to Ivnedar> |
| 18:56.38 | Ivnedar | <Bound to Ivnedar's Account> :D |
| 18:57.35 | Noshei | up |
| 19:03.08 | Thorarin | I was thinking that my dimension might be a good place to get a benchmark on FPS and compare it with after the patch.. |
| 19:03.26 | Thorarin | This one is apparently a bit too empty tho, 116 FPS |
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| 19:15.23 | Noshei | 24 dream orbs for my first batch |
| 19:15.32 | Noshei | still a ton of artifacts in the bank to use up |
| 19:15.50 | Noshei | s/bank/mail/ |
| 19:16.29 | Ivnedar | no idea where my mailbox backlog of artifacts went |
| 19:16.32 | Ivnedar | ran out at 150 |
| 19:16.44 | Ivnedar | which is odd, had enough on pts |
| 19:17.32 | Noshei | forget to use a skill orb? |
| 19:17.38 | Ivnedar | got it on |
| 19:31.43 | Noshei | yay, white artifacts done |
| 19:31.57 | Noshei | now jus green and blues to finish up |
| 19:44.42 | seebs | If it said "binds to account on pickup", the link would tell you that the item *can't* be tradeable. |
| 19:45.00 | seebs | And if it were "binds to account on equip", or "binds to account on use", you'd at least know it was *potentially* tradeable. |
| 19:49.51 | Ivnedar | how weird, looking at my log, there are big gaps where orange crafts give me 4 points, then no point sfor 4-5 crafts in a row |
| 19:50.22 | seebs | ... |
| 19:50.34 | seebs | I just found out that the game went live with dummy foundry live. That's... unusual. |
| 19:50.40 | Ivnedar | yup |
| 19:50.51 | seebs | What mystifies me is that anyone thought that using it would be a good idea. |
| 19:51.27 | Ivnedar | there may be a very very small number of people who hadn't looked on pts ever and wasn't sure what the new thing was etc |
| 19:51.37 | Ivnedar | but yeah, it should have clued in pretty quick even in that case |
| 19:53.25 | seebs | Being autistic, I am pretty hostile to "common sense" arguments, but frankly... This one, I would have gotten even when I was a kid. TOO obvious. |
| 19:53.37 | Noshei | so it seems that the change to rezing is better than I had thought |
| 19:53.49 | Noshei | there is no loading screen even, you rez right away |
| 19:53.56 | seebs | And to put it in perspective, when I was a kid, I had a subscription to Howard the Duck for a while, and didn't realize it was supposed to be funny. |
| 19:54.14 | seebs | What bugs me about the rez thing is that I don't even know why there was a loading screen ever. It makes no sense. |
| 19:56.41 | seebs | ... |
| 19:56.48 | seebs | Someone on the forums proposed that Trion should fix the economy. |
| 19:56.59 | seebs | Specifically, make it completely impossible for people to harvest materials and then sell them on the AH. |
| 19:57.14 | Noshei | yeah I posted that link a little while ago in here |
| 19:57.20 | Noshei | make me lol pretty hard |
| 20:05.11 | seebs | I'm totally unable to make sense of it. I can't even see what problem they think they're solving. |
| 20:21.42 | Noshei | oh ZorbaBeta looks like the bugged version of your experimental rendering changes made it to live |
| 20:22.55 | Noshei | servers crash? |
| 20:23.06 | Noshei | oh nope, just me |
| 20:26.16 | ZorbaBeta | noshei, yeah, it did - I wasn't about to risk destabilizing the release build in order to fix those |
| 20:26.33 | ZorbaBeta | might just turn off the debug function again, or might see if I can get the fixes pushed up |
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| 20:38.20 | Noshei_ | interesting error I just got in game |
| 20:38.37 | Noshei_ | "Chat services are temporarily unavailable." |
| 20:38.47 | Ivnedar | yeah, cluster wide |
| 20:39.57 | Noshei | lol |
| 20:40.10 | Noshei | said it was back, then 40 seconds later it was gone again |
| 20:40.51 | Noshei | and now it says it is back, but it is lying again |
| 20:42.17 | Noshei | lol chat is all borked |
| 20:47.11 | ZorbaBeta | there were some significant chat backend changes in this patch. I'm honestly not surprised it's a bit flaky :V pretty sure they're working on it already |
| 20:47.43 | Imhothar | wtf you can't take the trolls from rift? who's is seebs gonna complain about then? ;) |
| 20:47.52 | Ivnedar | apparently the conquest/wf channels went screwy |
| 20:49.12 | seebs | Oh, hey. |
| 20:49.26 | seebs | Backend changes? Anything you can comment on? |
| 20:49.36 | seebs | I have suspicions that there's a desire to have better monitoring tools. |
| 20:49.54 | Imhothar | it's the NSA hooks that had to be built into the servers |
| 20:49.56 | Noshei | patch notes said changes were to improve performance |
| 20:50.38 | Noshei | looks like dream orbs + new runes gave me about 8k more HP, self buffed |
| 20:50.56 | ZorbaBeta | noshei, yup. similar to my totally broken rendering changes :V unfortunately there's no good way to gradually phase in the chat changes |
| 20:59.08 | Amadeus- | ZorbaBeta, yea, I saw on the forums that /1 in conquest isn't working ....that pretty much breaks conquest ..lol |
| 21:00.28 | Noshei | Amadeus-: /anything is currently not working, event emotes |
| 21:01.07 | Amadeus- | can't seem to delete mail either |
| 21:01.33 | Noshei | well that is interesting |
| 21:01.41 | Amadeus- | oh wow ...mail is totally broken ..I just sent something to an alt ...and it's still in my inventory |
| 21:02.32 | Amadeus- | yea, can't seem to send account bind items anyway ..not sure about others...or else my mail is just borked to hell |
| 21:02.57 | Noshei | it is everyone |
| 21:03.48 | Thorarin | Wow... I don't always realize, but the interweb is a mine field for normal users :S http://www.hanselman.com/blog/DownloadWrappersAndUnwantedSoftwareArePureEvil.aspx |
| 21:03.54 | Amadeus- | where is the dreamweaver trainer in tempest bay? |
| 21:04.22 | Noshei | come down the stairs from the port and turn right before going across the bridge |
| 21:04.31 | Noshei | down the first set of stairs and he is on the left |
| 21:04.38 | Amadeus- | heh ../guilld is broken too ..haha ...I thoughti t was just the /1-# chat channels |
| 21:04.40 | Amadeus- | cool ..thanks |
| 21:09.12 | Thorarin | I hope they postpone the patch tbh :P |
| 21:09.17 | Thorarin | For EU I mean |
| 21:10.33 | Thorarin | I bet with the new chat implementation servers run a lot better tho ;) |
| 21:12.06 | Amadeus- | I'm confused ...so, to upgrade Myrm gear to relic gear ..you use warlord cells? |
| 21:13.54 | Amadeus- | oh...and I'm disappointed with the pet skins ..I thought we could make any pet look like anything ...but, it's just making the same ugly ranger pet have different colors/gear :( |
| 21:18.32 | Noshei | damn, new pet skins are expensive |
| 21:19.24 | Amadeus- | and the chest in conquest is broken too :( |
| 21:19.30 | Amadeus- | it's like nothing was tested :( |
| 21:19.43 | Amadeus- | mail broken, chat broken, conquest broken |
| 21:20.07 | Amadeus- | I mean ...I understand there are always issues with patches ..but this seems extreme |
| 21:20.24 | Noshei | I've seen worse |
| 21:20.26 | Amadeus- | http://forums.riftgame.com/game-discussions/pvp-warfronts/414211-conquest.html |
| 21:20.42 | Amadeus- | I don't know that I've ever seen 3 major components broken like that. |
| 21:21.28 | Amadeus- | and, having conquest broken for a pvp player is like having every raid in the game broken....since it's the only way to progress pvp gear now. |
| 21:22.31 | Noshei | oh wow has had patches that killed the game for 6+ hours |
| 21:23.42 | Ivnedar | the archlich/chest spawning late breaks cq? |
| 21:24.58 | Noshei | no i think he means chat is breaking it |
| 21:26.46 | Amadeus- | yea, chat breaks it ...although, the chest thing is embarassing |
| 21:27.24 | Noshei | new port window is going to take some getting used to |
| 21:28.00 | Amadeus- | I guess I don't remember any wow patches like that after the game was 3 years old ...but, then again, I didn't play it much until it was 4+ years old |
| 21:28.22 | Noshei | oh they had some bad ones in bc and wrath |
| 21:28.36 | Noshei | and worse before that from what I heard |
| 21:44.44 | Imhothar | man, every time I listen to Sagan's pale blue dot speech it makes me shiver |
| 21:47.11 | Imhothar | in case you don't know what I'm talking about: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p86BPM1GV8M |
| 22:39.02 | seebs | They've already announced 2.6 hotfix #1. |
| 22:39.09 | Noshei | yup |
| 22:39.20 | seebs | FWIW, most of the patches I remember from WoW were, frankly, worse than this. |
| 22:39.40 | seebs | Hotfix #1 is apparently going to unbreak chat, anyway. |
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| 23:22.54 | Noshei | ZorbaBeta: is mail related to chat in some way? |
| 23:37.07 | Imhothar | stupid frickin microsoft secure download manager |
| 23:37.45 | Imhothar | need that crap to download anything from dreamspark and now any text files I download nomatter where or with what program all the files get a .sdx extension |
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| 23:50.40 | Ivnedar | Noshei: seems you can still receive items from the ah via mail, but can't delete the mail |
| 23:50.51 | Noshei | or send messages |
| 23:51.01 | Ivnedar | yeah |
| 23:51.22 | Ivnedar | we're trying to agree on a /emote alphabet |
| 23:59.12 | Imhothar | offensichtlich |
| 23:59.52 | Imhothar | argh hate it when that happens |