| 01:35.44 | Ivnedar | http://codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/20209/ascii-art-hello-world |
| 01:35.47 | Ivnedar | amusing exercise |
| 01:36.08 | Ivnedar | trying to output "Hello World!" using only # and space in the shortest amount of code possible |
| 01:36.45 | Ivnedar | many of them involve using the environment to convert a string into an image, then reading the pixels of that image back and converting those into # |
| 02:49.57 | Noshei | oh looks like I was right, error report was broken and zorba must have fixed it |
| 02:50.12 | Noshei | about an hour ago |
| 02:51.25 | Ivnedar | 5000 new mails? |
| 02:51.52 | Noshei | na, just one |
| 02:52.10 | Noshei | but getting it at 7pm is the tell |
| 03:23.32 | Imhothar | Why do people always have to tell you how early they got up when they go to bed? |
| 03:24.22 | Ivnedar | extension of attempting to justify it to themselves |
| 03:24.39 | Ivnedar | or expectation that they'll be judged on their bed time |
| 04:48.24 | ZorbaBeta | yep, it was broken. fixed now :) |
| 04:49.21 | ZorbaBeta | seebs, poe's economy is a little skewed because the absolute best gear can be realistically gotten only by crafting, which is horrifically expensive . . . expensive enough that the only way to get that much currency is by trading |
| 04:50.12 | ZorbaBeta | really, PoE is two or three games - "self-found", "buying and selling", and "playing the market" |
| 05:23.13 | Noshei | so ZorbaBeta whats this "big task on rendering regarding some work that helps out our artists to make 3.0 look great" all about? |
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| 05:52.56 | Noshei | http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/786664/filter-account-type/staff |
| 05:53.19 | Noshei | now that is the kind of information I love seeing a company posting after a service outage. |
| 05:55.16 | Ivnedar | wow |
| 05:55.56 | Noshei | yeah |
| 05:56.06 | seebs | That is pretty excellent. |
| 05:56.16 | seebs | I gotta say, I love that company even though the game is not a great match for me. |
| 05:56.59 | Noshei | they certainly are doing their company the right way, thats for sure |
| 05:57.25 | seebs | gah |
| 05:57.42 | seebs | So I'm not done with the desk yet, but I think I am on track to be done with the desk tomorrow. For some values of "done". |
| 05:58.27 | Ivnedar | I spend most of my time in PoE trying to work out if any of the items that dropped are worth looting, or even how to work out if they are or not |
| 05:58.59 | Noshei | Ivnedar: I have a simple solution to that |
| 05:59.22 | Noshei | I loot all blues and up |
| 05:59.32 | Ivnedar | up? |
| 05:59.47 | Noshei | I vendor the blues, use a scroll on the rares and uniques and toss them in my vault |
| 06:00.01 | Ivnedar | hrrm, I wonder if I've seen any blues |
| 06:00.03 | Ivnedar | can't remember |
| 06:00.07 | Ivnedar | white and yellow heaps of |
| 06:00.19 | Noshei | from worst to best: White - Blue - Yellow - Orange (in general) |
| 06:00.25 | Ivnedar | one other colour, blue I guess |
| 06:00.39 | Ivnedar | so they are an order of "goodness" then? |
| 06:00.55 | Noshei | though the amount, color, and links of gems also make certain items valuable |
| 06:01.01 | Ivnedar | I had it explained to me that yellow meant unique, no comment on the goodness of the stats, and blue had magical modifiers on them, also no comment on the goodness |
| 06:01.17 | Ivnedar | so a white could be a lot better than a yellow |
| 06:01.35 | Noshei | well that depends on what point you are looking at it from |
| 06:01.48 | Noshei | for sale value, maybe |
| 06:01.57 | ZorbaBeta | noshei, ask me when 3.0 is out :V it's not massively obviously noticable, but it's important |
| 06:01.58 | Ivnedar | to equip |
| 06:02.26 | Ivnedar | I think I'm still wearin some items that I got when I first landed on the beach |
| 06:02.47 | Noshei | for stats, a yellow is better (if sockets and links are the same) |
| 06:03.32 | Noshei | gear value gets really complicated the further you get in the game. It is fairly simple at low levels though |
| 06:04.15 | Ivnedar | I've just gotten through a ship graveyard to the last boss there |
| 06:04.27 | Ivnedar | who's ripping me to pieces, so I'm assuming I've not geared well enough |
| 06:04.42 | Noshei | whats your name in game? |
| 06:04.51 | Ivnedar | Good question, hrrm |
| 06:05.23 | Noshei | are you in game now? |
| 06:05.40 | Ivnedar | oh dear, apparently I'm called PoppyLea ... |
| 06:05.49 | Ivnedar | Nah, at work |
| 06:05.55 | Noshei | ah |
| 06:06.05 | Ivnedar | I have no idea what I was thinking when I created this account/character ... |
| 06:06.16 | Noshei | I was gonna come help you if you were |
| 06:06.29 | Ivnedar | I assume you can look up my character? |
| 06:07.16 | Noshei | yes |
| 06:07.23 | Noshei | sorta |
| 06:09.00 | Noshei | I think for most people they really fumble their way through their first character |
| 06:09.09 | Noshei | there is a huge learning curve in this game. |
| 06:09.37 | Ivnedar | I spend 3-4 hours playing, being frustrated the whole time, then give up, come back a month later, try again, etc |
| 06:09.46 | Noshei | heck I still have a lot to learn and I have 3 high level characters |
| 06:10.04 | Ivnedar | I don't mind a lot of it, just the gear system I don't even seem to understand the first thing about |
| 06:10.12 | Ivnedar | so I really can't "progress" |
| 06:11.59 | ZorbaBeta | yeah most people botch their first character pretty bad |
| 06:12.41 | ZorbaBeta | it's worth pointing out that the colors actually mean nothing in terms of how good an item is, they just tell you what kind of properties the item *can* have |
| 06:12.42 | Ivnedar | I think I started playing with minions, so my tree went that way, then I had to replace a piece of gear and lost all my minion spells, so went down the freezing pulse branches a bit |
| 06:12.52 | Ivnedar | Yeah, that's what I thought |
| 06:13.34 | ZorbaBeta | so, here, quick briefing: every item has a set of "prefixes" and "suffixes" that it can have. each of these has a name, you can find a thorough list of them at http://www.poemods.com/ |
| 06:13.40 | ZorbaBeta | white items have no prefixes or suffixes |
| 06:13.51 | ZorbaBeta | blue items *may* have one prefix and one suffix, or may be missing one of those |
| 06:14.06 | ZorbaBeta | yellow items *may* have up to three prefixes and three suffixes, though you won't get the names of them, just see the stats |
| 06:14.16 | Ivnedar | and you can convert items between those, blue to unique or white to blue, etc? |
| 06:14.21 | ZorbaBeta | orange items are custom-built by the designers and don't follow the normal rules - many of them will have properties that you cannot see anywhere else |
| 06:14.30 | ZorbaBeta | (one sec, helping girl) |
| 06:16.05 | Noshei | Ivnedar: these are the upgrade options (color wise) white to blue, white to yellow, blue to yellow, white to random (some whites can become orange this way, extremely rare though) |
| 06:16.21 | Ivnedar | ok |
| 06:16.26 | Ivnedar | and they're usually worth doing? |
| 06:16.43 | Ivnedar | completely random stats after the upgrade, or are they based on the original stats? |
| 06:16.58 | Noshei | random |
| 06:17.05 | Noshei | ish |
| 06:17.07 | ZorbaBeta | they're actually usually not worth doing, unfortunately, and they are based on the original stats, sort of |
| 06:17.12 | Ivnedar | so it's pretty much a "give me a random new item of this type"? |
| 06:17.15 | Ivnedar | ok |
| 06:17.24 | ZorbaBeta | so, transmute orb: convert white to blue. new stats, yay! |
| 06:17.35 | ZorbaBeta | augment orb: takes a blue missing a prefix or suffix, adds a random prefix or suffix, keeps the original one |
| 06:17.47 | ZorbaBeta | alteration orb: takes a blue item, gives it entirely new stats |
| 06:17.59 | Ivnedar | so it would be possible for a transmute orb to make a worse item? |
| 06:18.06 | ZorbaBeta | regal orb: takes a blue item, converts it to yellow with an extra prefix or suffix. these are expensive, don't use 'em unless you know what you're doing |
| 06:18.20 | ZorbaBeta | chance orb: takes a white item, converts it into a randomly-chosen blue, yellow, or orange. the only way to "craft" a unique |
| 06:18.31 | ZorbaBeta | except in very weird situations, all item prefixes and suffixes are beneficial |
| 06:18.41 | ZorbaBeta | some of them suck, but they're at least not detrimental |
| 06:18.46 | Noshei | http://www.pathofexile.com/item-data/currency |
| 06:19.04 | ZorbaBeta | this isn't entirely true with flasks - flask prefixes and suffixes can be detrimental, or at least, very situational - but for most gear it's true |
| 06:19.06 | Ivnedar | but it could convert an item with stats that are useful to that class into one with stats that are useless? |
| 06:19.19 | Noshei | all currency is used to "craft" items, the ones ZorbaBeta just described are all considered currency |
| 06:19.24 | Ivnedar | ok |
| 06:19.36 | ZorbaBeta | yes, it absolutely could |
| 06:20.00 | ZorbaBeta | for early on, I'd stick to transmutes, augments, and alterations, and be a bit careful with the alterations :V everything else is way too valuable to use |
| 06:20.22 | ZorbaBeta | (well, and portal and wisdom scrolls) |
| 06:20.31 | Ivnedar | 4 orbs of chance, woo |
| 06:20.50 | ZorbaBeta | this assumes you want to trade later on, of course, and that you would rather keep money than experiment. if you want to play around with orbs, have fun :D |
| 06:21.02 | Noshei | Ivnedar: I added you to my friends list (you should see it when you log in) so if were on at the same time hit me up and I may be able to give you some gear to help you out. |
| 06:21.11 | Ivnedar | ok |
| 06:21.14 | Ivnedar | thanks :) |
| 06:21.32 | Ivnedar | not sure when I'll play next, not a fan of feeling confused the whole time |
| 06:21.47 | Noshei | it gets better the more you play |
| 06:21.59 | ZorbaBeta | I guess the big thing I'd say about Path of Exile: have fun kill monsters. you can and will screw up your first character, but don't worry about that and just enjoy killing lots of stuff |
| 06:22.13 | Noshei | ^ |
| 06:22.37 | ZorbaBeta | there is nothing you can do that will prevent you from starting a new character and progressing literally an order of magnitude faster than you did the first time :V |
| 06:22.42 | Noshei | my new character I've been leveling, tons of fun killing stuff and super fast at it as well. |
| 06:23.01 | ZorbaBeta | all that said, if you want a character you can bring into the lategame, find a guide and follow it, there's a bunch on the forums |
| 06:23.07 | Noshei | its my 3rd one to lvl 60 though |
| 06:23.20 | Ivnedar | Most of the bosses I've run into so far glitch themselves on terrain, so can ranged kill them easily |
| 06:23.51 | Noshei | like them on top of a ledge? |
| 06:23.57 | Noshei | and you below it |
| 06:24.12 | Ivnedar | usually behind pillars that they can't get around for some strange reason even though I have LoS to them to kill them |
| 06:24.32 | Noshei | odd, never seen that |
| 06:25.37 | seebs | Oh, one other thing about PoE. |
| 06:25.49 | seebs | One of the vendor recipes is an item with three linked gems, one of each color, for a chromatic orb. |
| 06:26.00 | seebs | Vendors are moderately likely to occasionally have such items for sale for prices much lower than that. |
| 06:26.12 | ZorbaBeta | yeah that's a really good one |
| 06:26.22 | Noshei | ZorbaBeta: you ran into anyone playing the flicker strike / blood rage build? |
| 06:26.32 | ZorbaBeta | not that I know of |
| 06:26.44 | ZorbaBeta | I'm planning on trying that wacky incinerate/lightning-warp build |
| 06:27.17 | Noshei | so you get flicker strike link it with melee splash and multistrike (at least) then keep up blood rage |
| 06:27.44 | Noshei | when you kill something with blood rage you get a frenzy charge |
| 06:27.55 | ZorbaBeta | that sounds like it'd just chew through everything, at least in theory |
| 06:28.01 | Noshei | you can consume a frenzy charge to bypass the cd on flicker strike |
| 06:28.33 | Noshei | so basically you get flicker doing enough damage to kill stuff rather fast and just hold it down |
| 06:28.46 | ZorbaBeta | nice :D |
| 06:28.55 | Noshei | there are people clearing lvl 78 maps in 3-5 minutes solo with it |
| 06:29.16 | ZorbaBeta | wonder if they'll end up nerfing it |
| 06:29.39 | Noshei | I really hope not, it is very much a glass canon build |
| 06:30.06 | Noshei | reflect is very good against it |
| 06:30.17 | ZorbaBeta | ah, then I suspect they'll leave it alone |
| 06:30.24 | ZorbaBeta | they only seem to kill off completely unbeatable builds |
| 06:30.37 | Noshei | yeah |
| 06:30.39 | ZorbaBeta | I'm in the weird state with my main where reflect actually makes me stronger |
| 06:30.45 | Noshei | nice |
| 06:30.54 | ZorbaBeta | my life-gain-on-hit massively overwhelms the reflect damage and I get tons of cast-when-damage-taken procs :V |
| 06:31.17 | Noshei | you able to log in now, I could show the spec? |
| 06:32.45 | Noshei | I think they really under estimated how useful cwdt would end up being and just how widely used it would be. |
| 06:35.43 | ZorbaBeta | yeah, lemme hop on |
| 06:35.49 | ZorbaBeta | though remember monsters will be at double HP :V |
| 06:36.17 | ZorbaBeta | they've already nerfed cwdt once, they might be leaving it as it is |
| 06:36.21 | ZorbaBeta | though it is *very* strong |
| 06:38.44 | Noshei | yeah so thats it |
| 06:39.00 | Noshei | pretty crazy |
| 06:39.31 | Noshei | desync can get rather bad though, that kills me pretty often |
| 06:39.47 | Noshei | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rqg_ujdjsV0&feature=youtu.be |
| 06:40.05 | Noshei | ^thats one of the people that has posted a guide for this spec |
| 06:42.44 | ZorbaBeta | I'm curious what they're planning for 1.1 |
| 06:43.45 | Noshei | yeah, so am I |
| 06:43.52 | Noshei | can't wait to see |
| 06:45.47 | Noshei | I'm also wondering what you all have in store for us with 3.0 |
| 06:46.44 | ZorbaBeta | to be honest, so am I, I'm sometimes kinda out of the loop :V |
| 06:47.13 | Noshei | yeah I can see how that would be |
| 06:49.24 | Noshei | ok well off to bed for me, night everyone. |
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| 20:35.13 | Noshei | finally got me that 5l chest I've been looking for ZorbaBeta |
| 20:35.41 | Noshei | now I just need to find an Eye of Chayula |
| 20:36.51 | ZorbaBeta | that shouldn't be too hard, uniques are generally easy to pick up |
| 20:37.11 | ZorbaBeta | I'm actually hunting for a 5l upgrade now, my current chest is "well, it has 5l . . . guess I'll use it" |
| 20:41.57 | Noshei | I was shooting for 200 es, so got a bit more. and the resist is always nice |
| 21:03.13 | seebs | Haha. |
| 21:03.34 | seebs | Someone said "... so I can't complain", and I responded "Don't sell yourself short, you're an MMO player. You can always complain." |
| 21:03.38 | seebs | Got a like from Tacitus. |
| 21:12.49 | Noshei | nice |
| 21:22.50 | Noshei | nice, 5 chroms and 7 jewlers for 6 trans off the vendors today |
| 21:23.00 | Noshei | and that was only one character |
| 21:45.54 | seebs | ... How? |
| 21:46.05 | seebs | BTW, am I right to believe that vendor inventories only ever change when you level up? |
| 22:42.50 | Noshei | yay me, got a free mount on the stream today |
| 22:43.06 | Ivnedar | nice, which one? |
| 22:43.10 | Noshei | only 3 people in the world have the mount right now, since it can't be earned at all |
| 22:43.18 | Noshei | Tropical Budgie |
| 22:43.36 | Ivnedar | ahh, grats :D |
| 22:43.59 | Ivnedar | far out, haven't looked at devtracker in a few hours and daglar's posted pages of responses again |
| 22:44.09 | Noshei | yeah |
| 22:44.23 | Noshei | I posted a pic of the mount in general forums |
| 22:46.35 | Ivnedar | lol @ Daglar's response to Exid :D |
| 22:47.03 | Ivnedar | http://forums.riftgame.com/general-discussions/general-discussion/412854-disconnects-after-purchasing-credits.html |
| 22:48.24 | Imhothar | haw can a client side hack increase your movement speed? |
| 22:48.49 | Noshei | yeah I saw that one, not sure Imhothar |
| 22:49.19 | seebs | Location is mostly maintained on the client side, the server does some amount of sanity checking, but it's conceptually possible that network performance problems caused it to miss some stuff, so there's some tolerance. |
| 22:49.55 | seebs | That is a pretty beautiful question, because the answer is so obviously "yes, or Daglar wouldn't have asked". |
| 22:50.00 | Imhothar | I thought the client only tells the server to start/stop movement and direction changes |
| 22:50.27 | Imhothar | allthough |
| 22:50.42 | Imhothar | thinking about it it does explain the data hacks people did in wow |
| 22:50.46 | Ivnedar | clients usually report to the server where the player is every x seconds |
| 22:51.16 | Ivnedar | and server can kick you off the server if it's outside where they should be, or go along with it, or port them to where it thinks they should be,e tc |
| 22:51.44 | Imhothar | well that;s interesting because in EVE it happens that your ship instantly jumps sometimes to correct discrepancies in client and server movement predictions |
| 22:52.15 | Imhothar | guess one can do it either way |
| 22:52.27 | Ivnedar | so if it has a 10% tolerance on position, and you artificially move yourself 10% further than you should be at that time, then you end up moving faster that normally possible |
| 22:52.50 | Ivnedar | I have no idea what program they'd be using for that, unless it's constantly fiddling with rift memory? |
| 22:53.02 | Imhothar | hmm |
| 22:53.18 | Ivnedar | or, the word speed wasn't intended in Daglar's post |
| 22:53.23 | Ivnedar | and he's just talking about botting |
| 22:53.28 | Imhothar | I remember reading an article where the server only tells clients predicted movements of clients |
| 22:54.03 | Imhothar | so to reduce bandwidth it doesn't tell you the exact location but in what direction the other players are moving |
| 22:54.50 | Ivnedar | and only send updates when the prediction changes? |
| 22:54.57 | Imhothar | yeah or when they stop |
| 22:55.17 | Imhothar | you can actually notice that in WoW |
| 22:55.39 | Imhothar | when someone drops while moving their avatar keeps on going until they log back in and it snaps to the right location |
| 22:55.39 | Ivnedar | I'd believe that, given some amusing things you see in rift |
| 22:55.55 | Ivnedar | where someone just keeps on heading in the direction they were going, even though they've stopped on their side and on the server |
| 22:56.01 | Ivnedar | guess that correction packet was missed |
| 22:56.11 | Imhothar | aye |
| 22:56.43 | Ivnedar | pretty stressing when that person is the tank who's pulling and they run through the boss and off the platform and into a wall on pull :) |
| 22:56.49 | Imhothar | makes sense to nod send location updates in real live considering an O(n^2) increase |
| 22:56.52 | Ivnedar | and everyone else says "uhh, wtf?" |
| 22:57.06 | Imhothar | *not *real time |
| 22:57.36 | Imhothar | well n(n-1) in fact but still a lot |
| 22:57.43 | Ivnedar | which I guess would mean that update was lost by the server, not network or something |
| 22:57.56 | Imhothar | it shouldn't get lost with tcp |
| 22:59.25 | Ivnedar | oh dear, Daglar gave someone 20 of the latest limited edition lockboxes |
| 23:04.39 | Ivnedar | ZorbaBeta: did you get your chocolate bar? |
| 23:07.38 | Ivnedar | (Daglar dropped 20 budgie lockboxes into Seatin's inventory, he opened them on youtube, bought one himself and said that would be enough to pay for a chocolate bar for 4-5 Rift devs) |
| 23:07.43 | Ivnedar | so get in quick! |
| 23:08.38 | Ivnedar | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5l259U_w7o for the video |
| 23:13.15 | seebs | Daglar's getting a lot more hands-on, I think this means that some other tasks have cleared up enough to give him some free time. |
| 23:13.29 | Ivnedar | oor, he's the new cm team! |
| 23:32.43 | Ivnedar | Hrrm, I don't think Seatin understands how to make dream orbs |
| 23:37.27 | Noshei | whys that Ivnedar? |
| 23:38.09 | Ivnedar | 100p/orb? |
| 23:38.33 | Ivnedar | go harvest some artifacts, make ribbons, make orbs, done |
| 23:38.35 | Ivnedar | no plat there |
| 23:39.46 | Ivnedar | "It would be the same as me complaining that people get free budgie boxes for doing a video even though i spend credits on them." |
| 23:39.49 | Ivnedar | lol, so true |
| 23:43.52 | Ivnedar | that and we're less than a week away from 2.6 and he's only raising it as an issue now |
| 23:44.00 | seebs | I think Seatin's posts make a lot of sense if you think that you need a coruscating empyreal shard per orb. |
| 23:44.14 | Ivnedar | per 8 orbs you mean |
| 23:44.42 | seebs | No, I mean if you thought you got one orb per shard, they'd make a lot of sense. |
| 23:45.29 | Ivnedar | and assume that you need to have the highest possible stat when applied |
| 23:45.41 | Ivnedar | being 1 end lower means you're not viable in pve, etc |
| 23:47.00 | Ivnedar | eh, I've spent 30 mins each day farming bags and bags worth of artifacts, mailing them to wife who uses the ones she needs and returns the rest, so they're all waiting to be broken down |
| 23:47.19 | Ivnedar | I've been 60 since soon after launch, so I have access to a nigh on infinite supply of coruscating |
| 23:47.29 | Ivnedar | the people who "NEED" the bis stat will have access to it |
| 23:47.46 | Ivnedar | the people who'd like to have it, can work on getting it |
| 23:47.56 | Ivnedar | with an rng gate on how quickly they can get there |
| 23:49.24 | seebs | BRB. |
| 23:49.25 | Ivnedar | they've changed it to 4 orbs per craft now? |
| 23:49.27 | Ivnedar | looks on pts |
| 23:53.33 | Ivnedar | and people asking for the orbs to scale based on the level of the gear they're applied to |
| 23:53.41 | Ivnedar | you mean like they already do and have done all along? |