| 00:18.11 | Amadeus- | https://scontent-a-sjc.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/t1/1560439_751333074887706_277665942_n.jpg |
| 01:56.24 | Repo | New addon: GroupWatch - http://www.curseforge.com/addons/groupwatch/ |
| 02:07.40 | Amadeus- | repo lies!! |
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| 06:57.11 | Amadeus- | haha: http://search.cpan.org/~dconway/Acme-Don-t-1.01/t.pm .... don't { } while ... |
| 09:03.00 | Thorarin | How... useful |
| 09:05.50 | Amadeus- | obviously perl wasn't silly enough already |
| 09:06.33 | Thorarin | Then again, it being perl I expect someone will actually use it :P |
| 09:10.36 | Thorarin | Over here I regularly see job opportunities passing by involving perl... Always from one particular company, and they post it in C++, C# and Java categories as well :/ |
| 09:11.04 | Thorarin | Always makes me facepalm. No, nobody sane is "willing to learn perl" |
| 09:11.29 | Thorarin | Especially not if that means you actually have to use it |
| 09:15.22 | seebs | I dislike perl. I do prefer it to PHP. I probably even prefer it to Python. |
| 09:16.54 | Thorarin | Hmm, haven't used Python for a while but it's a lot cleaner than perl |
| 09:17.20 | Thorarin | The significant whitespace bit is a little odd, but you want to be consistent with that anyway |
| 09:19.40 | Thorarin | And PHP, well... |
| 09:19.56 | Thorarin | It's quite well summarized here: https://twitter.com/TomNomNom/status/195304317601849344/photo/1 |
| 09:21.23 | Thorarin | In in more detail: http://me.veekun.com/blog/2012/04/09/php-a-fractal-of-bad-design/ :P |
| 09:24.25 | Ivnedar | python 2.x is great |
| 09:24.41 | Ivnedar | python 3.0 is the python group going "you know what? I like java, let's be java" |
| 09:25.30 | Ivnedar | and then wondering why no one moved to python 3 |
| 09:25.33 | Thorarin | I don't think I've seen the changes they've mode in 3.0 |
| 09:26.33 | Ivnedar | The one way they could have gotten people to accept all their changes would have been removing the GIL |
| 09:30.19 | Thorarin | Found a small list, but that doesn't sound too bad |
| 09:33.38 | Ivnedar | Because it's not backward compatible with python 2, there's almost no major libraries for python 3 |
| 09:33.49 | Ivnedar | they're 4 years in and still people couldn't be bothered |
| 09:34.18 | Thorarin | Hmm, not so much the language itself then |
| 09:34.28 | Ivnedar | they went more oo |
| 09:34.31 | Thorarin | But yeah, that kinda sucks |
| 09:34.40 | Ivnedar | so removed a lot of the basic keywords, made some functions, others methods of the native types |
| 09:35.00 | Ivnedar | and made the call that there'd be no backward compatibility, so no gradual upgrade path |
| 09:36.42 | Thorarin | Guess that means Python lacked a critical mass to begin with... PHP has done that several times and people take their shit :P |
| 09:36.55 | Ivnedar | lol, yeah |
| 09:37.04 | Ivnedar | the mass is still there |
| 09:37.07 | Ivnedar | all still using 2.7 |
| 09:38.07 | Thorarin | I must admit I wasn't even aware of 3.0, I thought 2.7 was still the latest lol |
| 09:38.17 | Ivnedar | they're up to 3.4 or something now |
| 09:38.24 | Ivnedar | linux distros, many not shipping 3.x |
| 09:38.38 | Thorarin | I know Debian isn't :P |
| 09:39.30 | Thorarin | I was somewhat surprised when they started shipping mono by default tho |
| 09:50.45 | Repo | imhobags: Amaedeus master * 0.18beta2-23-gbf4a59f (2 files in 1 directory): [+1 commit] Preparation for 0.19beta release. |
| 09:51.18 | Repo | imhobags: Amaedeus 0.19beta * 84d638d /: [new tag] Tagging as 0.19beta |
| 10:09.45 | Ivnedar | heh heh, amusing strat to hit black tier loyalty |
| 10:09.51 | Ivnedar | gift items for plat |
| 10:09.55 | Ivnedar | then use that plat to buy rex |
| 10:09.58 | Ivnedar | use that rex to get credits |
| 10:10.01 | Ivnedar | repeat cycle |
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| 10:47.55 | Thorarin | People have been doing that for ages Ivnedar :) |
| 11:10.54 | seebs_ | Yeah. On Faeblight, going rate seems to be about ~.7p per credit. |
| 11:11.09 | seebs | Which won't quite pay for the REX, but it's not too far off. |
| 11:38.13 | Ivnedar | facepalms |
| 11:38.27 | Ivnedar | someone is restarting their client as it's bugging out |
| 11:38.39 | Ivnedar | it won't get better after restarting, so they try again, etc |
| 11:38.46 | Ivnedar | found out what the issue is, it wasn't displaying my head |
| 11:38.51 | Ivnedar | I've got the headless mask on ... |
| 13:17.54 | Ivnedar | I wonder what the minimum level limit is on iDH |
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| 13:52.41 | Schalla | Hello folks. |
| 13:54.07 | Ivnedar | hi there :) |
| 13:56.31 | Ivnedar | Hrrm, would it be bad form to have a second addon exist only to give another saved var that can be loaded as required? |
| 13:57.14 | Ivnedar | say if I wanted to have the option to remember every node ever seen by ReDAR, but I don't want to add a lot of data stored with it if people don't care about it |
| 13:57.44 | Ivnedar | If I have a ReDAR: History addon which doesn't have any lua, just the toc with a savedvar |
| 13:57.57 | Ivnedar | I can then look for it in ReDAR and if it's found, use it, if not, don't |
| 13:58.16 | Ivnedar | and then the player can turn it on and off as desired and skip loading the bulky data |
| 13:58.56 | Ivnedar | I wonder if there's even any point |
| 15:59.52 | ZorbaBeta | yay, computer works again |
| 15:59.56 | ZorbaBeta | runs like an absolute dog, but works |
| 15:59.57 | Ivnedar | woo! |
| 16:00.00 | Ivnedar | all data back? |
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| 16:00.40 | ZorbaBeta | a few losses, technically - lost a two-year-old nvidia driver installer, a backup of a local copy of a source repository, Microsoft Speech Recognizer, and Windows Checkers. Nothing I'm exactly worried about :P |
| 16:01.08 | Ivnedar | ZorbaBeta: would there be any use in using another addon's saved vars to seperate data into a load on demand type model? |
| 16:01.20 | Ivnedar | An addon that has nothing but a saved variable |
| 16:01.22 | ZorbaBeta | also, ugh, moving your boot drive from an SSD to an old rotary disk *sucks*. I want my SSD back :( |
| 16:01.29 | Ivnedar | wow, that would suck :( |
| 16:01.41 | ZorbaBeta | ivnedar, in the sense that it would improve memory use, yes; in the sense that users would care about it, not really, IME. |
| 16:01.48 | ZorbaBeta | I personally would not go through the effort |
| 16:01.51 | Ivnedar | ok |
| 16:02.16 | Ivnedar | I figured recording every harvesting/artifact node would get rather large over time |
| 16:02.45 | ZorbaBeta | and figures, my SSD goes right when SSDs are at a price premium :( |
| 16:17.39 | Ivnedar | gah, trying to work out how to store the node data |
| 16:18.13 | Ivnedar | thinking I'll reduce the world down to 200x200 cells, but working out which map each coord relates to is an issue |
| 16:18.20 | Ivnedar | unless I have a zoneid to mapid mapping |
| 16:28.25 | Ivnedar | Job for another night. nite :) |
| 16:36.28 | ZorbaBeta | 'nite :) |
| 16:38.47 | Schalla | I wonder - before I havn't stepped into Addon Development - why using Lua as language for addons? |
| 16:38.53 | Schalla | *I have stepped |
| 16:44.18 | Noshei | lots of advantages to using lua |
| 16:45.11 | Noshei | from a useability standpoint it is far easier for the average person than say c, c#, or c++ (or most other languages) |
| 17:22.19 | Schalla | Noshei: Well that might be true.. another language I have to hop into, there are never enough :;p |
| 17:23.31 | ZorbaBeta | schalla, a few big reasons. first, it's a very simple language to learn, even for people who don't know how to code, while being very powerful for those who want to delve into its guts. second, it's a common scripting language for games, so people likely to write addons probably already know it. third, it sort-of enforces readable source, which means people can look at each other's addons and improve them. and fourth, it's really *really* ea |
| 17:23.31 | ZorbaBeta | sy to embed |
| 17:23.40 | ZorbaBeta | (which is at least partially why it's so common for games) |
| 17:24.51 | Noshei | wasn't it also designed with the intent of being able to easily interface with c? |
| 17:25.14 | ZorbaBeta | entertainingly, lua was originally intended as a simple data description language, similar to xml |
| 17:25.32 | ZorbaBeta | at some point they realized they were writing a programming language instead and were smart enough to actually commit to it |
| 17:25.52 | Noshei | huh, interesting |
| 17:26.07 | ZorbaBeta | (otherwise we'd have gotten another horrifying makefile atrocity) |
| 17:26.36 | ZorbaBeta | but yeah, easy embeddability was, AFAIK, a goal |
| 17:26.58 | ZorbaBeta | it's *many* times easier to embed than basically anything else out there. Convenient for me! :D |
| 17:27.55 | Noshei | ZorbaBeta: if you come accross a multistrike let me know, I'm looking to buy one (I think going rate is 5c) |
| 17:28.27 | ZorbaBeta | yeah, it's 5c. you know about xyz? |
| 17:28.38 | Noshei | yeah, just 2 lazy |
| 17:28.50 | ZorbaBeta | well there's a guy selling a 9-quality one for 5c right now, so go buy that one :V |
| 17:29.07 | Noshei | which trade? |
| 17:29.21 | ZorbaBeta | ah, looks like he sold it. well there's still a bunch selling |
| 17:29.33 | ZorbaBeta | http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/634784 good luck! use the site to find more ;) |
| 17:30.48 | Noshei | I'm in no rush to get one, need to get some other gear first. |
| 17:33.47 | Noshei | need a 5l check first basically |
| 17:33.53 | Noshei | *chest |
| 17:34.15 | Noshei | and with really hard to get colors for the type I want |
| 17:34.45 | ZorbaBeta | what colors/type? |
| 17:35.10 | Noshei | high ES with 2 green/2 red/1 blue |
| 17:35.25 | ZorbaBeta | yeah, that'll take a bit |
| 17:38.11 | Noshei | or 3 red / 1 green / 1 blue |
| 17:38.24 | Noshei | either way, hard to get on a high es |
| 17:39.56 | ZorbaBeta | http://poe.xyz.is/search/orasinamizurum well . . . there's one for a mere 18 exalted :V |
| 17:40.05 | Noshei | lol |
| 17:40.25 | ZorbaBeta | http://poe.xyz.is/search/okinigotageben alternate comedy options |
| 17:42.07 | Noshei | lol |
| 17:42.22 | Noshei | shavs wont be any good for me, going ci |
| 17:42.48 | Noshei | and I'm still waiting on ex #1 to drop (will happen eventually) |
| 17:44.04 | ZorbaBeta | honestly the only practical way to get ex is through selling stuff and trading for 'em |
| 17:44.24 | ZorbaBeta | I've got about 7ex right now, and I've only had one drop |
| 17:45.43 | Noshei | yeah I will probably do more trading once they get their "global trading" (real ah sorta) working |
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| 23:54.17 | Repo | imhobags: Amaedeus master * 0.19beta-1-g83b36f4 (3 files in 2 directories): [+1 commit] Fixed a bug that was causing items not to appear when viewing the equipment window for stored characters. |
| 23:54.38 | Repo | imhobags: Amaedeus 0.19beta2 * f2ef1a6 /: [new tag] Tagging as 0.19beta2 |
