| 00:22.46 | Amadeus- | http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=GTL-E9hprGE&vq=hd1080 |
| 00:23.28 | Amadeus- | seebs, using your LibItemList ^ |
| 00:23.36 | seebs | Cool. |
| 00:35.40 | Repo | imhobags: Amaedeus master * 0.18beta2-18-g462e547 (23 files in 7 directories): [+9 commits] (5 truncated) |
| 00:35.42 | Repo | 462e547: Final testing before 0.19beta |
| 00:35.44 | Repo | bc6ce55: The default category sort now allows for custom sorting (default is still alphabetical) |
| 00:35.46 | Repo | 14d339f: Added localized strings for the new SetCategorySortOrderWindow and PopupWindow (website also updated) |
| 00:35.48 | Repo | c29c9e6: Added option to configuration window to open the SetCategorySortOrder window |
| 01:36.53 | Imhothar_ | sigh sometimes you really wonder what kind of people there are on the isocpp mailling lists |
| 01:52.44 | seebs | Heh. |
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| 04:22.30 | Imhothar_ | the coding practices of some people are truly terrifying |
| 04:25.31 | Torhal | I'm pretty sure most of the times I want eye bleach, there's no actual way I could be forgiven for calling what I see "practices" |
| 05:28.14 | seebs | So one of my machines started not-responding-to-pings, and it seemed okay. Looked at bandwidth, it was actually capping out. |
| 05:28.26 | seebs | Moved ssh to a non-standard port. Bandwidth usage dropped about 90%. |
| 05:28.43 | seebs | Turns out that botnets trying to log in were saturating the link. |
| 05:29.12 | Ivnedar | If they get back rst, I assume they go look elsewhere, but if they can connect, they hammer? |
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| 08:04.01 | Ivnedar | ZorbaBeta: were you interested at all in the animation lag for non-sword weapon models? |
| 08:04.05 | Ivnedar | or is that for someone else |
| 08:05.01 | Ivnedar | I hadn't realised it's all classes |
| 08:05.07 | Ivnedar | changes his shovel into a sword |
| 08:08.02 | ZorbaBeta | I'll admit I'm curious about it from an intellectual point of view, but I'd never get time to work on it |
| 08:08.15 | Ivnedar | fair enough |
| 08:08.20 | Ivnedar | whole guild is switching now |
| 08:08.22 | Ivnedar | it's crazy |
| 08:08.35 | Ivnedar | can fit more attacks into burst cycles |
| 08:08.58 | Ivnedar | It's one of those things that no one believes until they try it |
| 13:25.03 | Ivnedar | cleaning up the Proteus encounter |
| 13:40.35 | Ivnedar | oh wow, you can pull back soulwalk cooldown |
| 13:40.41 | Ivnedar | 's mind is blown |
| 13:40.51 | Ivnedar | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:42.55 | Ivnedar | could be handy to have as a kbm module, doesn't pop up normally, but if someone wants to see who's is available, they can :D |
| 16:21.03 | Ivnedar | interestingly, no events fire for that ability, nor does it show up in the list of abilities |
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| 22:51.03 | Amadeus- | https://scontent-b-lax.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/t1/526865_733394800013023_1976760892_n.jpg |
| 23:20.21 | Ivnedar | hrrm, so I can reinspect the ability if currency credits goes down by 45/50, I can reinspect it when the buff goes up, just need to work out some way to tell if someone's spent another pa point since it went on cooldown |
| 23:21.28 | ZorbaBeta | funny, where'd that ability ID come from? datafiles? |
| 23:21.37 | Ivnedar | nope! I didn't has to hax it at all |
| 23:21.47 | Ivnedar | the soul walk buff fills in the ability id field now |
| 23:21.53 | Ivnedar | so you get the soul walk ability from that |
| 23:21.55 | ZorbaBeta | aha :D clever |
| 23:22.04 | Ivnedar | maybe it's always done it, but I've never noticed it before |
| 23:22.22 | ZorbaBeta | I suppose it's theoretically possible I shouldn't have allowed that but, whatever, unless design complains it's gonna stay that way |
| 23:22.28 | Ivnedar | I assume that since that ability doesn't show up in the spell book or on any bars, the client isn't told when it goes on cooldown, etc |
| 23:22.31 | Ivnedar | so there's no events |
| 23:23.05 | Ivnedar | Well, I'm planning on either making a standalone addon to show it, or roll it into readycheck |
| 23:23.15 | Ivnedar | so they'll notice eventually |
| 23:23.19 | ZorbaBeta | as I remember, it's actually filed into a magic "hidden" category that doesn't show up in your spell book |
| 23:23.22 | Ivnedar | if enough people are using it though, maybe they won't remove it |
| 23:23.27 | Ivnedar | *nod* |
| 23:23.48 | ZorbaBeta | and the ability event system checks for that category and doesn't show it. except I think I was intentionally more lax with the inspect()'s so you could, in theory, inspect an ability you don't have |
| 23:24.08 | Ivnedar | you can inspect stuff that isn't in game yet |
| 23:24.19 | Ivnedar | like stuff that's only on pts is available to inspect on live |
| 23:24.21 | ZorbaBeta | honestly I doubt it'd be removed - I suspect this falls under "yeah, that would be nice to show the user, but we can't justify the engineering time for an entire ui widget. oh, the addon developers did it? sweet, feature request closed, already implemented" |
| 23:24.24 | Ivnedar | I assume they're the same database at the back |
| 23:24.52 | ZorbaBeta | it'll depend on the thing. some stuff on PTS will already exist on live, some won't. it's not the same database but especially if something's been under production for a while live might "have" an early version |
| 23:24.52 | Ivnedar | or, the dba people are super quick at rolling data into live |
| 23:25.01 | Ivnedar | *nod* |
| 23:25.08 | Ivnedar | mostly quests and items that I've been looking at |
| 23:25.31 | seebs | *grumble* |
| 23:25.56 | Ivnedar | sup? |
| 23:26.01 | ZorbaBeta | and for what it's worth it's not really a DBA thing, it's just a bunch of gargantuan xml files kept in source control that are used to build the database. Much easier that way - *everything* should be in source control. :) |
| 23:26.03 | seebs | I am unhappy about the extra auction slots for black tier, especially because the explanations for it seem incorrect. |
| 23:26.08 | ZorbaBeta | (yes including art assets and audio) |
| 23:26.47 | seebs | Because if adding 50 slots per character would utterly cripple the AH servers, the fact that $5 on a new account gets you three characters (using the credits for a new character slot) each with 200 slots ought to utterly cripple them too. |
| 23:27.05 | seebs | And really, my impression was that the 200-item cap was a workaround and it was the AH query throttle that made the big difference. |
| 23:27.30 | ZorbaBeta | it was both, unfortunately. also keep in mind that most users don't use most of their slots |
| 23:27.47 | Imhothar | are arts and other assets also saved in text form? now that would be fun |
| 23:27.56 | Ivnedar | most black tier players won't use the bonus slots either |
| 23:28.21 | seebs | What bugs me about it mostly is that, no matter how minor or low-impact it is... |
| 23:28.38 | seebs | It becomes a completely clear case of "before F2P, you could do X, now you have to pay a lot of money to do X". |
| 23:28.42 | seebs | Where X is "post 201 auctions". |
| 23:28.58 | seebs | I'd rather not have the extension exist than have it tied to money, just for that reason. |
| 23:29.00 | Ivnedar | "on one character" |
| 23:29.04 | seebs | Well, yeah. |
| 23:29.06 | ZorbaBeta | imhothar, nah, standard binary formats there. |
| 23:29.31 | seebs | In practice, the obvious solution is to make accounts, send them a REX, use it to buy character slots, then use them for auctioning materials. |
| 23:29.37 | Ivnedar | I agree that it shouldn't be in the black tier |
| 23:29.57 | seebs | Because 3-4 extra slots, at 200 auctions per slot, can totally make 1k plat or more in a couple of weeks. |
| 23:30.11 | Ivnedar | Probably some meeting where they wanted to come up with things to offer people at black tier, listed things people wanted, picked that one |
| 23:31.43 | seebs | Yeah, it's just a horrible precedent. |
| 23:32.00 | Ivnedar | I haven't even looked at black tier, is that the only new perk? |
| 23:32.13 | seebs | The key to avoiding the slippery-slope argument on F2P is being absolutely dogmatic about the introduction of things that you can only get by paying a lot of money, but which used to be available. |
| 23:32.28 | seebs | Nah, there's several others. Buff to the treasure map thing from orange or red, I think. Maybe others. |
| 23:33.09 | seebs | But I don't care as much about them, because they aren't things that all subscribers used to have. |
| 23:33.15 | Ivnedar | gah, portable crafting station |
| 23:33.33 | Ivnedar | damn, there's stuff in that I want |
| 23:33.38 | Ivnedar | and not even halfway to red :P |
| 23:33.40 | Ivnedar | bbl, party |
| 23:33.50 | seebs | Note: I am still convinced that it is an error/oversight that runecrafting uses a workbench rather than a laboratory. |
| 23:34.02 | seebs | If Runecrafting were at the laboratory, everything would be evenly split up. |
| 23:38.15 | seebs | You know what would be super cool? If rift.cfg could contain per-account settings, or something. |
| 23:38.53 | seebs | Right now, there's only one rift.cfg (the one in AppData), and the launcher uses that, *not* a file in the launcher's directory. There's a rift.cfg shortcut in the app directory, but it's ignored; I think it's just there for the user's convenience. |
| 23:39.22 | seebs | So you can't override the interface directory in rift.cfg to run two clients, because both clients will use the same rift.cfg anyway. |
| 23:39.54 | seebs | But it occurs to me that, even if the launcher can't use two different rift.cfg, if the document directory for the interface folder could be specified per-user, that would work too. So, something like |
| 23:40.21 | seebs | [user@host.example.com] |
| 23:40.31 | seebs | DocumentsDirectory = C:\some\path |
| 23:40.42 | seebs | and then running multiple copies of Rift would not require two copies of the install. |
| 23:45.16 | seebs | ... |
| 23:45.17 | seebs | Oh, wow. |
| 23:45.45 | seebs | ZorbaBeta, you may actually find this interesting or want to wave it at someone. There may be a very strange flaw in how LFG is putting groups together. |
| 23:46.05 | seebs | Basically: If you are flagged for a tank role, you get groups faster *even if you then get assigned to DPS*. |
| 23:46.24 | ZorbaBeta | that's kinda funny |
| 23:46.36 | seebs | So, you can queue as DPS-only, and wait for half an hour. |
| 23:46.47 | seebs | And then someone else can come along, flag as tank-or-DPS, queue, and instantly get in a group *as DPS*. |
| 23:47.22 | seebs | So it may be that the system is somehow tripping over the combinatorics problem of "can I make a group with these five people" followed by "what is the best group to make of these five people". |
| 23:48.02 | seebs | Thing is, given how much people hate DPS queues, and also how much they hate getting tanks who aren't actually qualified, it seems like this might be worth figuring out and fixing, if it's really happening. |
| 23:49.01 | seebs | But people are now queueing as tank-and-DPS, then declining tank, and still getting groups as DPS much faster than if they don't have tank flagged, and that's gotta be a design flaw somewhere. |
