| 00:21.24 | Noshei | yeah they are publishing it in NA and EU |
| 00:22.04 | Noshei | so basically just doing localization, but I've seen a couple articles that trion has just recently started friends and family testing of it |
| 00:51.53 | seebs | I need to remember to put in a fix for the zlib errors that are apparently coming up. I also note that, while it's probably not something Zorba has time for right now, I would really love an option for marking a specific version or specific error as no-longer-of-interest. |
| 01:57.58 | ZorbaBeta | noshei, in fact, I can! if you're a regular in this channel, send me a message with . . . email, I guess? I think that's enough. Trion account email. And I'll get you in. :) |
| 01:58.19 | ZorbaBeta | seebs, sadly, probably not ever happening - the barrier between "automated process entirely behind our firewall" and "public API" is enormous |
| 01:59.34 | seebs | Yeah, I can't imagine an easy/sane way to do it. |
| 01:59.59 | seebs | I mean, I suppose in theory you could embed highly-magical links in the emails, but that could be subvertible. |
| 02:00.50 | Noshei | ZorbaBeta: just create a web application for it, easy stuff |
| 02:01.10 | ZorbaBeta | note that the "unsubscribe process" right now is that unsubscribe emails arrive in my inbox and I paste their email into the right spot in an sql INSERT I have saved, then send the whole line to someone else in the company who plugs it into a database. It's all very silly, but there's only one email per month, and it just isn't worth improving. The programatic connection between the addon error reports and the outside world is strictly one-w |
| 02:01.10 | ZorbaBeta | ay. |
| 02:01.24 | ZorbaBeta | noshei, I think I just heard our security team having a collective aneurysm |
| 02:01.29 | seebs | Pretty sure Trion's web dev folks are stretched very thin right now. See also the lack of updates to the mobile app, or an Armory feature, or anything like that. |
| 02:01.48 | seebs | Pretty sure that when Tim Elliott moved on, he never got replaced exactly. |
| 02:02.25 | Noshei | yeah it was a sarcastic comment |
| 02:02.31 | seebs | He posted screenshots of some of what he'd been working on in a forum thread about why there wasn't an Armory, and then got an email from Scott Hartsman asking him to please consider the health of the poor community team folks before surprising them with that. :P |
| 02:03.04 | ZorbaBeta | haha |
| 02:03.17 | ZorbaBeta | yeah, he got partway through it, but only partway |
| 02:03.34 | ZorbaBeta | and I think at that point we were in a situation where hiring a new web dev guy seemed not worth the money |
| 02:03.57 | Ivnedar | outsource it to us! :P |
| 02:04.22 | ZorbaBeta | half the tricky part is interlinking with our databases |
| 02:04.26 | ZorbaBeta | that is probably not getting outsourced ;) |
| 02:04.37 | Ivnedar | surely there are internal APIs that are clearly documented for all that *cough* |
| 02:04.45 | Noshei | lol |
| 02:06.21 | ZorbaBeta | there actually isn't even a data pathway for it |
| 02:06.48 | Noshei | not using ms sql I hope, right? |
| 02:07.05 | Amadeus- | clearly it's time to just make everything open source so we can all help ;) |
| 02:07.53 | Amadeus- | I've actually secretly hoped that someday SOE would release EQ1 as open source ...we'll see I guess. The problem with most mmos is the licenced code :( |
| 02:08.10 | ZorbaBeta | I'm honestly not sure what the live dbs use :P test dbs are just sqlite |
| 02:08.23 | Amadeus- | sqlite is neat |
| 02:08.27 | Ivnedar | prod probably is too :P |
| 02:08.48 | ZorbaBeta | nah, prod isn't. I don't know what offhand, but I know it's not sqlite :) |
| 02:09.07 | ZorbaBeta | something a bit heavier-weight that doesn't make sysadmins cringe |
| 02:09.24 | Amadeus- | hey ZorbaBeta, was kindof curious where you feel you are with your current Rift project? |
| 02:09.38 | Amadeus- | (read: how much longer before you think might have time for us again with the addon stuff ..haha) |
| 02:10.03 | Noshei | if ZorbaBeta had a penny for every time he is asked that question |
| 02:10.11 | Noshei | ... he would have at least a dollar |
| 02:10.13 | Amadeus- | I musth ave missed it here int he channel |
| 02:10.14 | ZorbaBeta | amadeus, still making progress, completion is approaching but not looming over the horizon. the firmest bounds I'm willing to give is "more than one month, less than one year, all dependent on Daglar not deciding to reprioritize everything" |
| 02:10.31 | Amadeus- | I see. |
| 02:10.53 | ZorbaBeta | it's not abandoned but unfortuantely manpower is tight, and I'm the addon expert, the rendering expert, and the performance expert :/ |
| 02:11.01 | Amadeus- | I hope I don't get bored of the game before then ....the whole performance thing doesn't bother me at all personally...I don't even have much issues in the worst Conquests. |
| 02:11.17 | Amadeus- | Yea, I know it's not your fault ... I was just curious. |
| 02:11.39 | ZorbaBeta | Hope not. Sorry for the wait, game design is basically a gigantic process of triaging. I'm pretty sure everyone in the company has at least a decade's worth of stuff they *want* to do ;) |
| 02:12.41 | Amadeus- | I'm thinking back over games I've played (been hard core in MMOs since 2000 or so) ...I always wanted to see more 'bug fixes' in most (but not so much with Rift ...bugs aren't that bad at all truthfully) ..but, the only one that I thought needed "performance help" was SOE's Vanguard. |
| 02:12.50 | Amadeus- | which they did actually ...but, too late to save the game. |
| 02:13.25 | Amadeus- | Aion plays fine ..but game loading time is utterly obscene (speaking of performance) |
| 02:14.18 | Amadeus- | Anywho ...I'm lucky for now in that I still have things to do ..and I'm considering making a new character (a cleric) ...so, yea, as long as something new/exciting doesn't come along I should be around a bit longer. I'm not excited about the WoW expansion at all. |
| 02:14.26 | Amadeus- | and ESO beta was boring too for the most part imo. |
| 02:14.50 | Ivnedar | I went back to wow to play MoP, lasted a week |
| 02:14.50 | Amadeus- | might give Wildstar a chance ...and probably give EQNext a chance (Since I played all of the EQs so far) |
| 02:15.04 | ZorbaBeta | I think it's vaguely funny that Trove and ESO went into beta at the same time, and Trove seems to be getting more positive feedback |
| 02:15.09 | Amadeus- | yea.... WoW is getting to the point of EQ1 |
| 02:15.13 | Ivnedar | which was annoying as I bought a 2 month sub just before getting bored |
| 02:15.15 | ZorbaBeta | obviously the games are only barely comparable, but it's still funny |
| 02:15.27 | Ivnedar | I'm almost level cap in Trove |
| 02:15.37 | Ivnedar | found a nice way to get to max level gear in no time at all |
| 02:15.40 | Amadeus- | ZorbaBeta, yea ..I don't doubt it ..t.here will be ESO fanbois ...no doubt about that. But, for me, it just makes me want to go play Skyrim. It's basically a single-player game with a bunch of people getting in your way. |
| 02:15.45 | ZorbaBeta | I think the progress system is being changed seriously? saw something like that on /r/trove |
| 02:15.51 | ZorbaBeta | (yes, I get my trove news from /r/trove) |
| 02:15.51 | Ivnedar | so now I'm 2 shotting most rank 7 mobs |
| 02:16.15 | ZorbaBeta | amadeus, in all honesty, I've always been curious how they were planning to solve that problem - I couldn't see how they |
| 02:16.20 | Ivnedar | oh nice, new update today |
| 02:16.31 | ZorbaBeta | they'd make ESO without it being either "World of Warcraft" or "Skyrim with a bunch of jerks you wish would go away" |
| 02:16.44 | ZorbaBeta | and from what I hear, it sounds like they weren't able to solve it :/ |
| 02:17.03 | Amadeus- | ZorbaBeta, yea ....the new beta was certainly cleaner than the one I tried in the summer ...I played it a LITTLE more ...but, really, it's just Oblivion/Skyrim with other people running around with you. |
| 02:17.40 | Ivnedar | "Fixed a shader issue causing terrain to disappear" |
| 02:17.42 | Ivnedar | lol, sounds familiar :D |
| 02:17.44 | ZorbaBeta | the mixed reactions are always kind of weird in the game industry. when swtor came out and wasn't very good, I think most people at Trion were split between "oh thank god less competition" and "dang, I really wanted to play that game" |
| 02:17.44 | Amadeus- | I think Bethesda (can't remember hte company that's working for them on ESO) is having similar issues that Bioware had with TOR ...they're just not MMO makers and aren't really buying into it completely. |
| 02:17.48 | Ivnedar | ZorbaBeta: steal their fix! |
| 02:17.50 | seebs | FWIW, I might well try Wildstar, except for the part where it's ncsoft. |
| 02:18.01 | ZorbaBeta | ivnedar, I think that's fixed in Rift! Mostly. It's just objects that vanish. ;) |
| 02:18.06 | Ivnedar | :) |
| 02:18.24 | seebs | I have sort of learned not to invest time, energy, money, or effort on things that ncsoft has the option of shutting down if they want to. |
| 02:18.36 | Ivnedar | my mouse will love "You can now hold down the left mouse button to continuously swing your sword." |
| 02:18.43 | Amadeus- | I felt the same about TOR ...I played to max level and quit. I even tried it again last month ...and couldn't evne last a day. That game just wasn't well done. |
| 02:18.46 | Amadeus- | as an mmo. |
| 02:19.36 | Amadeus- | EQNext and Wildstar are the only ones on the horizon that I'm interested in ...and both could either be good or bad ..I'm not a fanboi either way. |
| 02:19.37 | Ivnedar | they should have made it a single player game, a star wars mass effect series |
| 02:19.42 | Ivnedar | probably would have made a heap more money |
| 02:19.45 | Amadeus- | yea |
| 02:19.56 | Ivnedar | and easily continued it as a series |
| 02:20.15 | Amadeus- | companies make strange decisions with regard to what would make money anyway ...I always thought Blizzard would make a crapton more money making WoW 2 than making Diablo 3 |
| 02:20.38 | Ivnedar | they'd have the issue of splitting the community |
| 02:21.17 | Amadeus- | I think they could make enough in a couple months with WoW 2 to justify shutting down WoW forever. |
| 02:21.30 | ZorbaBeta | I love Wildstar's art style |
| 02:21.59 | Amadeus- | ZorbaBeta, so funny ....I had a conversation in Rift (on public channels) the other day and that was a reason that many of folks say they aren't interested in Wildstar :) |
| 02:22.12 | ZorbaBeta | pfft, they're crazy :V |
| 02:22.18 | Amadeus- | lots of ESO fanbois playing Rift right now btw ..haha |
| 02:22.21 | seebs | I don't think WoW2 would be all that great an idea. The people who have left because they are sick of Blizzard wouldn't buy in, and they've got some ridiculous number of customers for WoW, and they don't know that all, or even many, of them would hop. |
| 02:22.24 | Amadeus- | at least in the pvp area |
| 02:22.31 | seebs | Heck, some are probably people who don't remember they have a sub but never cancelled it. |
| 02:22.51 | Ivnedar | It would be interesting to see active subs vs total |
| 02:23.02 | Amadeus- | ZorbaBeta, you guys have a pretty serious PR issue with pvp players right now ...they, as a group, feel very discouraged. And, don't get me wrong, I know that community is a major pain in the butt. |
| 02:23.05 | seebs | Basically, I can't imagine why anyone who would sub to WoW2 wouldn't already be subbed to WoW. |
| 02:23.24 | seebs | The biggest danger to the PvP community is, by and large, the PvP community. |
| 02:23.51 | seebs | It's funny, because Daglar clearly *loves* PvP, but is having a heck of a time making a business case for it. |
| 02:24.09 | Amadeus- | yep, that's what it boils down to ...it's hard to make money on it. |
| 02:24.18 | ZorbaBeta | mmo sequels are really tough to do. in the best case you steal your own marketshare |
| 02:24.23 | Amadeus- | maybe they could sell warfront access on the store, like they did new souls. |
| 02:24.25 | ZorbaBeta | in the worst case you nuke yourself via the network effect |
| 02:24.26 | seebs | I think the real highlights of Rift's PvP community would have to be the long-term ongoing systematic harassment and griefing specifically intended to drive people out of the game. |
| 02:24.42 | Ivnedar | seebs: that's an extension of pvp |
| 02:24.46 | Ivnedar | all the trash talk etc |
| 02:24.48 | seebs | Because there's no way there's any downside to players actively trying to drive other people away from the content they want the company to develop. |
| 02:24.51 | seebs | Oh, not just trash talk. |
| 02:25.11 | Amadeus- | ZorbaBeta, yea I agree with most companies ...but WoW 2 could be a special case. I can't imagine how many people played WoW1 that no longer play that might genuinely play WoW2 for x months. |
| 02:25.17 | seebs | The reason there's now zero PvP/RP shards is that they had a large number of players who hated RP who rolled on those shards *exclusively* because they wanted to grief RPers. |
| 02:25.21 | Amadeus- | I think it could be financially rewarding. |
| 02:25.25 | ZorbaBeta | sure, but x months doesn't do it, not when you're making a new MMO from the ground up |
| 02:25.48 | seebs | As I said, I can't imagine anyone who would be willing to sub to WoW2 not being willing to sub to WoW in the mean time. |
| 02:25.50 | Ivnedar | spend 5 years income on wow2, release it, lasts 6 months, company folds |
| 02:26.00 | Amadeus- | wih the purchase price + x months ....I think it adds up with that large number of possible purchases. |
| 02:26.06 | seebs | I think gradual revision and refactoring is a viable strategy. |
| 02:26.17 | ZorbaBeta | I think you're underestimating how unbelievably expensive MMOs are ;) |
| 02:26.40 | Amadeus- | meh ....the only thing that would make me want to play WoW again is if it looked completely different, had completely new content, etc. |
| 02:26.41 | seebs | They claim some number of millions of active accounts, although I'm told that many, many, of those are probably not actual accounts that pay a regular sub fee, because the Asian market is structured differently. |
| 02:26.46 | Amadeus- | it just looks too old. |
| 02:27.03 | Ivnedar | next expansion updates the character models, those look pretty cool |
| 02:27.14 | seebs | Thing is, if Blizzard hadn't offended me, I'd probably still just be playing WoW. As is, there's nothing I can imagine them doing that would ever get another penny out of me. |
| 02:27.56 | seebs | WoW's strongest point, by far, is the size of the playerbase. If you know people who play MMOs, you almost certainly know someone who plays WoW. |
| 02:28.00 | seebs | Splitting that would devastate them. |
| 02:28.09 | Amadeus- | I will say though that sequels, if done right, are pretty magical. The first time I played EQ2 was amazing ...I would have paid twice what htey asked. |
| 02:28.45 | seebs | I guess, to me, the content I'm looking for in an MMO is about 80% other-players. |
| 02:28.56 | Amadeus- | I can't talk about GW2 because I didn't play GW |
| 02:29.05 | seebs | If the people I want to play with don't play it, I probably won't even look at it. |
| 02:29.16 | Amadeus- | FFXIV I liked better than FFXI ...but, it didn't really strike me as magical. |
| 02:29.26 | Noshei | GW1 was far far better than GW2 |
| 02:29.55 | seebs | FF14 is interesting to me. It has a lot of the stuff that I like in Rift or WoW, and some things I like a lot better, and other things that are just stunningly incompetent. |
| 02:30.46 | Amadeus- | there is a "silliness" factor in many asian based mmos that drives me nuts |
| 02:31.04 | Amadeus- | this is serious shit! |
| 02:31.10 | seebs | My basic defensive tactic in dealing with the sheer volume of interesting games out there is to make no effort at all to overcome my tendency to dismiss companies as annoying. |
| 02:31.33 | seebs | So I've totally blacklisted Sony, Bethesda, and Actiblizzion. And I don't feel I'm losing anything of value here. |
| 02:31.35 | Cidan | FF14 is too "stiff" for me, I play it, it's fun, but I feel like you are super constrained. It's hard for me to play an MMO like that over WoW, Rift, Tera, GW2, etc (the last two in particular) |
| 02:31.54 | Amadeus- | Cidan, yea ...I also hate their global cooldown ...it seems really long. |
| 02:31.59 | Cidan | Insanely so |
| 02:32.00 | Ivnedar | I'm still sad that lego universe failed :( |
| 02:32.07 | seebs | The one thing it gets right that Rift *desperately* needs is ANY kind of fucking social tools that are usable. |
| 02:32.23 | seebs | Linkshells are a nice idea. The channel system in Rift is... basically broken. |
| 02:32.30 | Amadeus- | I agree with that |
| 02:32.41 | seebs | It is *not* a good thing that there is no way whatsoever to "own" a channel and be able to control it. |
| 02:32.50 | Amadeus- | Rift could just integrate pure IRC with services and have a better system ..hehe |
| 02:33.04 | Ivnedar | doing cross game, account based friend lists could be interesting |
| 02:33.10 | seebs | I mean, FF14 being the sort of idiocy it is, they've got gratuitous restrictions galore (can only be in 8 linkshells, population is very restricted). |
| 02:33.11 | Amadeus- | Ivnedar, I wasn't too exciteda bout lego universe ...but I did play AoE online for a while :) |
| 02:33.17 | Ivnedar | if a friend's playing defiance, I can talk to them and remind them it's raid time :P |
| 02:33.27 | Cidan | For me, it's all about combat, and Tera is king when it comes to combat. I mean, any real future MMO that doesn't have Tera-esque combat will be of no interest to me |
| 02:33.46 | seebs | But the fact that, if you make a private channel in Rift, any random troll can reliably steal moderator privs to it from you given time is... pretty discouraging. |
| 02:33.51 | Ivnedar | Is tera still really really latency unfriendly? |
| 02:33.56 | Ivnedar | or did they move some things client side |
| 02:34.01 | Amadeus- | haha ..I played Tera until about lvl 42 ...then I started thinking "hmm..after I do all this work ...what's there to do at endgame?" ....and, I realized that it was mostly politics at endgame ...so I quit :) |
| 02:34.15 | seebs | I never looked at Tera, mostly because PvP. |
| 02:34.26 | seebs | And also because I really don't need more games. :P |
| 02:34.28 | Cidan | Give it a shot, try the combat at least. |
| 02:34.37 | Cidan | But the end game is pretty terribad. |
| 02:34.38 | Amadeus- | the combat is cool |
| 02:34.47 | Ivnedar | When I looked at it early on, the combat system was unplayable over 50ms |
| 02:34.59 | Ivnedar | so trying it at 250-400ms was pointless |
| 02:35.01 | Cidan | Hm, I can't speak for the latency. |
| 02:35.11 | Cidan | I've never had issues |
| 02:35.15 | Cidan | but I don't doubt it |
| 02:35.31 | Amadeus- | latency does tend to be an issue in some mmos ...Aion has that issue too ...latency can signifncantly affect your dps in that game. |
| 02:35.39 | seebs | FF14's combat is sorta sub-par to me, largely because of horrific latency/sync problems, a slow GCD, and even off-GCD powers having animation timing issues. |
| 02:35.46 | Ivnedar | it definitely affects my dps in rift |
| 02:35.51 | Ivnedar | I can't play some specs |
| 02:36.04 | seebs | Rift's is pretty good, the one obvious exception being the lack of a way to queue a power to execute after a channel. |
| 02:36.08 | Ivnedar | 1s gcd hits double gcd refreshes quite regularly |
| 02:36.19 | Ivnedar | 0.5s gcd bursts was so broken |
| 02:37.00 | seebs | On the other hand, I can actually enjoy crafting in FF14 as a cognitively-engaging task that rewards careful play and strategy. |
| 02:37.12 | Ivnedar | queue up an ability, the gcd circle thing finishes, then spins again, people watching me parse ask why I stopped |
| 02:37.15 | Ivnedar | etc |
| 02:37.17 | ZorbaBeta | man, I used to play FPSes at 300ms latency, without client-side prediction. everyone is so spoiled today :P |
| 02:37.27 | seebs | Heh. |
| 02:37.44 | seebs | You had sub-second latency? Luxury! When I was a kid we had to wait a full second for the screen to redraw. |
| 02:37.50 | Ivnedar | We've learnt to cope with it, but some class design decisions are definitely not tried at higher latency |
| 02:38.26 | ZorbaBeta | I've actually been tempted to set the internal client debug latency to a random number between 50ms and 200ms on every startup :V |
| 02:38.40 | Ivnedar | :D :D |
| 02:38.44 | Ivnedar | do it! |
| 02:38.49 | seebs | I'd say go for 400ish. |
| 02:38.53 | ZorbaBeta | gotta vet it with daglar first ;) |
| 02:39.02 | Ivnedar | try it on his client first! |
| 02:39.28 | seebs | Right, done with work for the day, bundling things up, running a quick errand or two, and will then be back. |
| 02:39.46 | Ivnedar | facepalms A10 support |
| 02:40.19 | Ivnedar | log a support ticket, it has a spot to attach tech support dumps from the device and packet captures "to speed up support response", first response comes back asking for a tech support dump ... |
| 02:41.14 | ZorbaBeta | I tried to submit my museum to yelp. their business submission page requires a phone number, and we don't have one. sent their support an email saying "hey, I want to add a business, but this page needs a phone number and we don't have one" |
| 02:41.34 | ZorbaBeta | "Just go to this page: http://www.yelp.com/thesamepageyoualreadytried and fill it out! Note that some fields are mandatory." |
| 02:41.41 | ZorbaBeta | *sigh* |
| 02:41.53 | ZorbaBeta | sometimes I wonder about support departments :P |
| 02:42.04 | Amadeus- | ###-555-1212 :) |
| 02:42.15 | Ivnedar | If I had to read the same question over and over every day, I'd probably automate my responses too |
| 02:42.16 | Amadeus- | (I'm old) |
| 02:42.44 | Ivnedar | heh, I still use 90210 whenever a form asks for a zip code and won't accept a 4 digit AU post code |
| 02:42.47 | Ivnedar | :P |
| 02:43.28 | *** join/#riftuidev seebs (~seebs@home.seebs.net) |
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| 02:43.45 | Ivnedar | those were some quick errands :) |
| 02:43.48 | Imhothar | have you tried turning it off and on again? |
| 02:43.52 | Imhothar | do I need to say more? |
| 02:44.31 | Noshei | great sow |
| 02:44.33 | Noshei | *show |
| 02:44.40 | Imhothar | and too short, too |
| 02:44.45 | Amadeus- | Imhothar, you forgot the part where you have to wait 30 seconds befoe turning it back on |
| 02:45.04 | Amadeus- | I swear that was the cable internet support mantra for years. |
| 02:45.11 | Ivnedar | I still do that! |
| 02:45.27 | Ivnedar | stupid capacitors powering the memory for a few seconds |
| 02:48.48 | Amadeus- | kindof crazy I'm still getting Fae Yule daily gifts :) |
| 02:49.16 | Ivnedar | and the pve boxes :) |
| 03:03.16 | seebs | I think they said those would be through the 15th. |
| 03:03.28 | seebs | Oh, I put the laptop in *then* ran the errands. |
| 03:03.40 | Ivnedar | that's what I thought, but everyone told me it was last week |
| 03:03.41 | seebs | And it was "roll a trash bin to the curb and mail two letters". |
| 03:03.51 | Ivnedar | ahh :) |
| 03:03.54 | seebs | The event stuff went away on the 9th, the drops were extended through the 15th. |
| 03:04.12 | seebs | I would totally participate in those events if excess pets could be used in *any* way. |
| 03:04.16 | Ivnedar | I thought it may have been tied to the "finally got the fae yule rifts spawning, so left them on for a week" thing |
| 03:04.22 | seebs | Trade 3 of one pet for another, runebreak them, whatever. |
| 03:04.31 | Ivnedar | dream weaving needs to use them |
| 03:04.32 | Ivnedar | :P |
| 03:04.45 | seebs | That was going to happen except the rifts didn't spawn after all anyway, so the rift achievement got taken out of the meta, I think. |
| 03:04.47 | Ivnedar | make shiny dream ribbons out of pet entrails or something |
| 03:05.00 | Ivnedar | they started spawning this reset |
| 03:06.41 | Imhothar | argh stupid imperial system |
| 03:06.48 | Imhothar | get out of the stone age already |
| 03:07.33 | Imhothar | finding out your simulation is borked because the guy in britain did physics with feet and pounds is ARGH |
| 03:07.45 | seebs | Basically, MHO, nothing should drop in an MMO which has *no* utility other than "well, you can delete it". |
| 03:08.14 | seebs | I am okay with "the utility is marginal" or "I guess you can vendor it". But if you can have an item that cannot be used in any way at all, that's... annoying. |
| 03:08.27 | Ivnedar | I wouldn't mind if you could trade them back to the vendors for 1/4 of the normal cost of them or something in event currency |
| 03:08.50 | seebs | Yeah. |
| 03:08.52 | Ivnedar | fit it into the lore as you selling it to the shopkeep on the cheap so they can sell more to other adventurers etc |
| 03:09.02 | seebs | Or trade three of any given pet for any other pet of the same rarity. Or something. |
| 03:09.34 | Imhothar | last time someone used the imperial system in space a probe crashed into Mars... |
| 03:09.35 | Ivnedar | If they did the sell back for 1/4 thing, you could effectively trade 4 of them for any 1 |
| 03:09.47 | seebs | As is, there's no real point in trying for the achievements unless you have a ridiculous amount of money to blow on the event. So while I might want a snow ki-rin, I don't want it enough to spend $500+ of credits for a *chance* at it. |
| 03:10.40 | seebs | That's sort of the other half of the problem; with "collect all N" achievements, there is nothing you can do to ensure success. |
| 03:20.34 | Ivnedar | http://i.imgur.com/nuALWdB.png |
| 03:20.38 | Ivnedar | now those are some nice stats |
| 03:20.43 | seebs | Hee. |
| 03:21.02 | seebs | Hmm. |
| 03:21.09 | seebs | Any useful tools for spotting _G corruption in addons? |
| 03:21.13 | seebs | Because I just found Yet More Leakage. |
| 03:24.21 | Imhothar | superstition is a stat now? |
| 03:24.28 | Ivnedar | yup |
| 03:24.38 | Imhothar | I hope it gives a malus |
| 03:25.07 | Imhothar | and must be kept low |
| 03:25.39 | Ivnedar | "Increases magic resistance" |
| 03:26.02 | Ivnedar | as useful as "Magic Damage" since there's nothing but physical damage in game so far |
| 03:26.43 | Imhothar | Trion, making a leap in education "You need lots of superstition, kid! It makes you stronger!" |
| 03:27.14 | seebs | You know, we are really running out of trolls. Our most active surviving troll is this bratty kid who just sort of generally seeks attention. |
| 03:28.18 | Imhothar | you could give him some advice on how to improve his performance |
| 03:28.35 | seebs | I think he is genuinely too stupid to educate. |
| 03:28.51 | seebs | Either that or he's *never* broken character;. |
| 03:28.52 | Imhothar | or too young |
| 03:29.06 | seebs | s/;// |
| 03:29.17 | seebs | Yeah. Honestly, he comes across as being 12 and sorta lonely. |
| 03:29.40 | Ivnedar | oh wow, crafting/building items will persist across world restarts in Trove soon |
| 03:29.51 | seebs | But he's still pretty disruptive, because once he thinks of a thing ("Hey guys my doctor says my brain is really small what does that mean??!?") he tries it several times in case maybe people will think it's funny after the fifth time. |
| 03:30.12 | Ivnedar | well, all the other trolls have been killed off |
| 03:30.18 | Ivnedar | last of his kind |
| 03:30.40 | seebs | Mostly, yeah. We have visitors now, some of the trolls moved to Laethys and will stir up a bunch of people to join Faeblight 1-29 and troll it up. |
| 03:30.58 | seebs | But the mere fact that it's so obvious sort of undermines it. |
| 03:31.04 | Ivnedar | I saw them try, looked like it died off pretty quickly |
| 03:31.05 | Ivnedar | yeah |
| 03:31.37 | seebs | And Ibby's still around, but much less problematic now that Vveed appears to be gone. |
| 03:31.56 | Amadeus- | Trion should really do auditions for their voice acting ..I'm fairly sure I've known 50 people in my life htat would do better than some of the stuff I hear in the game ..lol |
| 03:36.26 | seebs | So far, I have four [Jingle] pets on this character. |
| 03:36.45 | Ivnedar | same one that I have 3-4 of |
| 03:38.44 | seebs | And I have... nearly 20 [Holiday Snowman], and only about 10 [Snowman]. |
| 03:57.36 | seebs | And now, back to the endless struggle to get bootstrapped on the gearing-up process. |
| 03:59.07 | Repo | patronage: Amaedeus master * v1.3-1-g33d7a7a (2 files in 1 directory): [+1 commit] Fixed Error: Patronage/Patronage_Main.lua:247: attempt to index local 'ad' (a nil value) |
| 03:59.26 | Ivnedar | ooh, adding ad support to patronage? :D |
| 03:59.40 | Ivnedar | is there any rule against putting in advertising in addons? |
| 03:59.44 | Repo | patronage: Amaedeus v1.4 * fc9cc1d /: [new tag] Tagging as v1.4 |
| 03:59.46 | Ivnedar | other than it annoying the user so they don't use it |
| 04:00.23 | Amadeus- | lol ...it's ad as in 'ability detail' ;) |
| 04:00.44 | Ivnedar | I'm coming up with sneaky ways to embed adds and blame some other addon |
| 04:00.56 | Ivnedar | pull back addon list and if another addon is installed, start popping up ads |
| 04:01.10 | Ivnedar | randomly pick which addon to blame that day |
| 04:12.58 | Imhothar | adds are aginst the TOS |
| 04:13.01 | Imhothar | ads |
| 04:13.10 | Imhothar | I'm quite sure about that |
| 04:33.09 | seebs | So I now think there was actually a player of Rift who liked Vveed. |
| 04:33.30 | seebs | Because someone I've never heard of before suddenly showed up in chat and started just spewing monstrous filth at Ibby and complaining about her getting people banned. |
| 04:54.59 | seebs | Huh. Is there any way to show the other world map (Mathosia when in Brevane/Dusken, say) without going to a port? |
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| 11:21.47 | Repo | imhobags: Amaedeus master * 0.18beta2-6-g57e2ab0 (5 files in 4 directories): [+5 commits] (1 truncated) |
| 11:21.49 | Repo | 57e2ab0: Setting ALPHA version 0.18beta3 |
| 11:21.51 | Repo | 6ce8cf7: When sorting by 'rarity' the items with the same 'bind' and 'rarity' will then be sorted by name. |
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| 12:15.56 | {Amadeus} | I can't decide if it's funny or sad ..that there is no skill involved at all in getting the three dendrome weekly raids each week (zone bosses) ....it's just a matter of being online at 4am server time. |
| 12:30.55 | Ivnedar | the original versions on the pts seemed much harder, though we did them with 8-10 people |
| 12:31.12 | Ivnedar | mechanics mattered more when you didn't have hundreds of bodies to throw at them I guess |
| 12:32.37 | Amadeus- | Yea, I mean it's even tougher later in the week when you don't have 7x20 people ...but, just saying, if you can be onlien at 4am server time there is no skill involved at all period ..lol |
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| 19:49.13 | seebs | http://tech.slashdot.org/story/14/01/15/187216/glyphy-high-quality-glyph-rendering-using-opengl-es2-shaders <-- well. |
| 21:18.03 | Amadeus- | someone gave me a beta key for Wildstar ...so, I'll check it out and see how it looks. |
| 21:47.52 | Repo | xmacros: xenyre * r43 (22 files in 2 directories): version 1.3 |
| 21:48.24 | Repo | xmacros: xenyre 1.3 * r44 : Tagging as 1.3 |
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