| 00:02.48 | seebs | I think so. |
| 00:03.02 | seebs | Thing is, as a hotkey it's a little too accident-prone. |
| 00:08.32 | seebs | Is there a difference in the addon window between "OK" and "APPLY"? |
| 00:08.44 | ZorbaBeta | "ok" is "apply and close" |
| 00:08.56 | seebs | But apply, if it changes anything, reloads the UI. So it closes the window anyway. |
| 00:09.12 | ZorbaBeta | true. it's more important on the character screen, really :) |
| 00:09.25 | seebs | BTW, there is a sort of quirk to that that I am not sure how to correctly "fix". |
| 00:09.55 | seebs | Which is that if a new addon is installed, "apply" doesn't do anything, because the addon's state isn't regarded as having changed, because it defaulted to enabled. |
| 00:10.06 | ZorbaBeta | yeah, I've had that on my todo list for a while :/ |
| 00:10.30 | ZorbaBeta | the fix is that instead of comparing "saved state" to "new saved state", it should compare "last loaded addons" to "proposed loaded addons" |
| 00:10.38 | Ivnedar | I guess compare candidate list with current list |
| 00:10.45 | Ivnedar | yeah, that :P |
| 00:11.39 | Ivnedar | I'm watching my 9am meeting move around the calendar |
| 00:11.53 | Ivnedar | It's moved more than 20 times since friday |
| 00:12.01 | Ivnedar | I was here at 9am, but no one else was |
| 00:12.21 | Ivnedar | I normally start at 10am, so a bit grumpy about that :P |
| 00:13.43 | seebs | And possibly the Apply button should be greyed out if there's no change, and there should be some indication of what the changes are if there are changes. |
| 00:14.04 | Ivnedar | ooh, I'd like that |
| 00:14.20 | Ivnedar | new addon, will enable, will disable |
| 00:14.21 | seebs | Yeah. I can't imagine why Zorba isn't working on minor convenience features for a part of the UI I touch every week or two. |
| 00:14.32 | Ivnedar | with new addon able to overlap with enable/disable |
| 00:14.38 | Ivnedar | seebs: lol |
| 00:15.43 | Ivnedar | One of the other 19 trion devs could do it! </forumconspiracy> |
| 00:15.46 | ZorbaBeta | the thing I like about developers is that they generally understand when the answer is "yeah, probably not worth the time" ;) |
| 00:16.15 | Ivnedar | (according to the rift forums, there are 20 devs left at trion after 11 left to work on trove) |
| 00:16.25 | seebs | BTW, I just recently realized that the font color=... tags nest. |
| 00:16.36 | seebs | I am pretty sure that computation is incorrect in a couple of ways. |
| 00:17.09 | seebs | In particular, I think the people starting to work on trove came from multiple teams, and that it was a while back. Or at least, Daglar said so, and while he may have his attitude issues, I don't see him as the sort to tell stupid lies. |
| 00:18.25 | Ivnedar | I just assumed some devs work on both :P |
| 00:18.39 | Ivnedar | It hadn't occurred to me that someone would stop working on rift when trove project started |
| 00:19.21 | Ivnedar | I haven't gotten my head around working on qubicle yet |
| 00:19.29 | Ivnedar | wanting to get that sorted so I can start playing with designs :) |
| 00:36.33 | seebs | Wow. |
| 00:36.41 | seebs | I found a bug in my filter library which has been there roughly since I shipped it. |
| 00:36.45 | seebs | Well, an oversight. |
| 00:36.59 | seebs | There's no way to do a filter on sub-items, like say item.stats.resistAll. |
| 00:38.29 | ZorbaBeta | there's some great submitted weapon designs |
| 00:38.53 | Ivnedar | I'm curious to see how they handle world resets later on |
| 00:39.41 | Ivnedar | took me 30 mins to get fully kitted out in rank 7 transcendent items last reset |
| 00:39.53 | Ivnedar | no luck on rainbow items, guessing my magic find is too low |
| 00:40.52 | seebs | Context? |
| 00:41.21 | Ivnedar | Trove |
| 00:41.30 | seebs | Ahh. |
| 00:41.33 | seebs | Woot! |
| 00:42.16 | Imhothar | 19 trion devs? |
| 00:42.23 | seebs | I am very close to having my resistAll stuff working. |
| 00:43.12 | Ivnedar | nah, 19 rift devs |
| 00:43.18 | Ivnedar | if you believe rift forum trolls |
| 00:43.32 | Ivnedar | well, 20, including ZorbaBeta |
| 00:43.39 | ZorbaBeta | I wonder where they got that number from |
| 00:43.46 | Ivnedar | their butts no doubt |
| 00:44.11 | Ivnedar | someone probably mentioned at some point that it feels like there's only 20-30 devs, someone took the 20 and repeated it, others followed |
| 00:44.16 | seebs | I think they got it by taking a previously stated number and subtracting all the people working on Trove. |
| 00:44.20 | Ivnedar | or someone counted the number of devs who post on the forums |
| 00:44.25 | Ivnedar | that might be more likely |
| 00:44.44 | Ivnedar | 'cause ALL trion devs spend all their time posting on the forums |
| 00:45.24 | ZorbaBeta | heh, I'd actually be surprised if 19 rift devs posted on the forums |
| 00:46.07 | Imhothar | ZorbaBeta I remember you mentioning addons were still on Trion's priority list. Any word about getting you some gremlins to do more stuff? |
| 00:46.44 | ZorbaBeta | pretty unlikely of me getting more people - there's little enough left on the addon system that it probably wouldn't be worth the training time |
| 00:46.52 | ZorbaBeta | though I admit I wouldn't mind getting another rendering engineer |
| 00:49.07 | Imhothar | back to the plan to get us VPN and code access ;) |
| 00:49.36 | Ivnedar | I was wondering if it'd be possible to reverse engineer enough of the addon system from ZorbaBeta's coding streams earlier to work on code submissions :P |
| 00:50.31 | Imhothar | I forgot again what compiler is used for Rift |
| 00:51.05 | Imhothar | was it msvc8? |
| 00:51.42 | ZorbaBeta | msvc9 |
| 00:52.19 | Imhothar | wow |
| 00:52.24 | Imhothar | that's almost ancient now |
| 00:53.42 | Imhothar | does your solution have a buttload of static libraries or is it all one giant porject with source only? |
| 00:54.57 | Imhothar | I've seen both for large projects |
| 00:55.00 | Ivnedar | lol, laughing at Rgizil's math |
| 00:55.10 | Imhothar | 0 = 1? |
| 00:55.12 | ZorbaBeta | lots of third-party static libraries, in our case. the vast majority of the time they don't change |
| 00:55.22 | Ivnedar | 10000000/0 = 0 |
| 00:55.25 | ZorbaBeta | and the only person who really changes them is me, resulting in me having fun with five MSVCs open at the same time :P |
| 00:55.51 | Imhothar | NaN ftw |
| 00:56.11 | Ivnedar | so his own math is proving that trion's care about rift is approaching infinity |
| 00:56.34 | Imhothar | sure it's not negative infinity? |
| 00:56.41 | Ivnedar | Just don't add up all the care, because you'll get -1/12 |
| 00:56.59 | Ivnedar | woo, lunch time, bbl |
| 00:58.40 | Noshei | lol Ivnedar |
| 01:01.34 | Imhothar | hmm interesting windows bug today. whenever I click on a drop down menu the menu item stays on the screen |
| 01:01.42 | Imhothar | have to restart the dwm task to get rid of it |
| 01:01.46 | Imhothar | and it's topmost, too |
| 01:12.02 | seebs | Well, that was a ton of updates. |
| 01:12.14 | seebs | And now I can get a list of items which have stats.resistAll>120 |
| 01:44.02 | Ivnedar | nice |
| 01:44.23 | Ivnedar | next step "generate me an equipment set that uses a given set of weightings" |
| 03:20.44 | Noshei | odd, my saved variablies file seems to have deleted itself |
| 03:20.56 | Noshei | lost all of my mail archive. |
| 03:21.10 | Ivnedar | d'oh |
| 03:21.17 | Ivnedar | all addons or just that one? |
| 03:21.24 | Noshei | just one |
| 03:21.36 | Noshei | the one for easy mail |
| 03:22.03 | Noshei | I think the table may have gotten corrupted at some point, it was pretty massive |
| 04:51.34 | Noshei | abominus is freaking crazy fight |
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| 05:16.07 | Noshei | Ivnedar: how do I trigger based off of a mob dying? |
| 05:16.16 | Ivnedar | death |
| 05:16.24 | Noshei | need to do a phase trigger from a death |
| 05:16.33 | Ivnedar | normally done in the death function |
| 05:16.50 | Noshei | have an example? |
| 05:18.24 | Ivnedar | hate it when you know there are so many examples but can't think of one |
| 05:18.34 | Noshei | lol yeah |
| 05:19.20 | Ivnedar | Crucia |
| 05:19.32 | Ivnedar | CRC:Death(UnitID) |
| 05:19.36 | Noshei | is there no trigger for completing all phase objectives? |
| 05:20.03 | Noshei | oh nm, percent is what I want |
| 05:20.11 | Noshei | well that and death |
| 05:29.23 | Noshei | looks like there is a death type for trigger |
| 05:29.34 | Noshei | but I'm not sure what the first argument would be |
| 05:32.26 | Ivnedar | unit Name by the look of it |
| 05:33.15 | Noshei | I think I'll just use a 0 percent |
| 05:33.29 | Ivnedar | why not do it in the Death function? |
| 05:33.53 | Noshei | oh I see what you mean |
| 05:34.22 | Noshei | I just need to change that to be the mini boss I want it to be |
| 05:34.39 | Ivnedar | yeah, you're already tracking the units I assume |
| 05:35.13 | Noshei | yeah |
| 05:35.29 | Noshei | I just added |
| 05:35.29 | Noshei | if self.Ix’ior.UnitID == UnitID then |
| 05:35.29 | Noshei | self.Abominus.Triggers.PhaseFinal:AddPhase(self.PhaseTwo) |
| 05:35.29 | Noshei | end |
| 05:35.57 | Ivnedar | uhh |
| 05:36.21 | Ivnedar | so if that mini dies, you want to add a trigger to the phasefinal trigger? |
| 05:36.24 | Ivnedar | but not activate it |
| 05:37.03 | Noshei | lol, wrong thing |
| 05:37.45 | Noshei | yeah that is completely wrong, I just need to call the function |
| 05:37.49 | Ivnedar | yup :) |
| 05:42.59 | Ivnedar | if you want to be super sneaky, you could actually add/remove the triggers for each phase |
| 05:43.27 | Ivnedar | I've just never found an encounter that needed it |
| 05:44.12 | Noshei | I really hope the final set of adds on this fight are different typr id than their original versions |
| 05:44.42 | Ivnedar | heh heh |
| 05:44.54 | Ivnedar | I do find it interesting when they do that |
| 05:45.07 | Ivnedar | like the first two mobs on the crucia encounter, they're seperate type ids |
| 05:45.13 | Ivnedar | even though they're the same mob |
| 05:45.38 | Ivnedar | I had code setup to work out which was which based on their coords, like I did with Rusila's longshots |
| 05:45.43 | Ivnedar | then realised I didn't need to :P |
| 05:47.11 | Ivnedar | I'd still love consistent/existent ability ids :P |
| 06:14.49 | Noshei | well that was interesting |
| 06:15.29 | Noshei | purchased a soul walk, didn't get it. So I did reloadui and the game crashed. Then when I came back in I had the soul walk. |
| 06:17.57 | Noshei | ok well initial abominus file is good to go, based on initial tests |
| 06:18.32 | Noshei | I have a feeling I'll have to add in different units for the 3 mini bosses in the final phase, but I dont have type id's for them yet. |
| 06:35.01 | Noshei | Ivnedar: here is what I have for abominus so far http://pastebin.com/gcAdQfmH |
| 07:30.36 | Ivnedar | http://www.etsy.com/listing/175112598/cat-battle-armor |
| 07:30.38 | Ivnedar | oh wow |
| 07:45.41 | Noshei | nice |
| 09:03.44 | Amadeus- | Imhothar_ ...when you get a chance, you have a function in Imhothar Bags called SetNeedsLayout() in Display.lua ....it sets self.needsUpdate instead of self.needsLayout ...that's correct? |
| 09:08.03 | Amadeus- | also ...curious how the addon can tell if a ItemWindow is currently open ...I thought it might be Ux.ItemWindow[name].container.available ...but, it seems to mean that the items can be manipulated (I think) ...i.e., it's false on a window that is open but not 'active'. |
| 09:14.41 | Amadeus- | ....I just can't see how to force a window to do a layout update from another window (or another part of the addon) ....this is ugly, but was using it just to test, and it fails badly :/ "Ux.ItemWindow["inventory"].container.SetNeedsLayout()" |
| 09:14.50 | Amadeus- | oh well...maybe you have an easy solution :) |
| 09:33.13 | Imhothar_ | if a method has self in its body it almost certainly needs to be called with a colon |
| 09:33.27 | Imhothar_ | and whether it's needsLayout or needsUpdate I don't remember |
| 09:33.30 | Imhothar_ | check the code |
| 09:34.02 | Imhothar_ | search the codebase for SetNeedsLayout to see how it's used |
| 10:23.37 | Amadeus- | Imhothar_ ...oh yea, colon ..haha ..that's probalby why it didn't work |
| 10:24.15 | Amadeus- | how about my original question ...why would SetNeedsLayout() set needsUpdate instead of needsLayout ..I don't see any function setting needsLayout which makes me think either you decided not to use it because it was a bug ...or, it's it's a bug/typo in notu sing it (make sense?) |
| 10:24.54 | Amadeus- | btw .. ZorbaBeta ..there is a bug that if you have 9/10 queued quests ..and complete a random dungeon quest ..it stays 9/10 ..but, you lose the random :( |
| 10:25.12 | Amadeus- | had it happen a few times now ...thought maybe it was a fluke, but it's definately happening |
| 10:25.22 | Ivnedar | why queue them? |
| 10:25.33 | Ivnedar | for vials? |
| 10:27.05 | Imhothar_ | [10:33] <Imhothar_> and whether it's needsLayout or needsUpdate I don't remember [10:33] <Imhothar_> check the code |
| 10:27.52 | Amadeus- | Ivnedar, yea ..I do 10 at once |
| 10:28.14 | Amadeus- | Imhothar_, well it looks like it should be needsLayout ..but, it would be such an obvious typo I wanted to confirm that you didn't remember changing it on purpose. |
| 10:28.40 | Imhothar_ | do a code search |
| 10:28.42 | Amadeus- | of course, there is no function setting needsUpdate though ...other than SetNedsLayout |
| 10:28.43 | Amadeus- | heh |
| 10:28.52 | Imhothar_ | if that's the only occurence of needsUpdate make an educated guesstimate |
| 10:29.30 | Imhothar_ | I assume you have the capabilities to search through all *.lua at once |
| 10:29.39 | Amadeus- | ok, I'll do some extensive testing at some poitn to see if it upsets the balance of the force ...but, for now, nothing is broken, so will leave it. My thought though was that perhaps it was updating all hte items/buttons at times when it should only be updating the layout. ..which would cause performance issues. |
| 10:29.42 | Amadeus- | yea |
| 10:32.03 | Amadeus- | the colon did fix that other issue though ..I should have caught that |
| 10:40.20 | Ivnedar | man, the new regulos gfx is annoying |
| 12:13.16 | Ivnedar | interesting, tonight's lag spike skipped some of breaker x-1's trash :P |
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