| 01:22.12 | seebs | wow |
| 01:22.14 | seebs | "Tanks are rarely used outside of real raids because they are poorly designed and dont do enough dps to use them in most situations. Why should players bother playing boring tank that needs to use plently small mini buffs when most dps + healer can handle most non raid encounters easier by using less buttons?" |
| 01:22.22 | seebs | I ... what |
| 01:35.34 | seebs | http://forums.riftgame.com/general-discussions/general-discussion/406159-chloromancer-sux-yes-does.html <-- also amazing |
| 02:23.37 | Ivnedar | Amadeus-: Yeah, I keep meaning to |
| 02:24.13 | Ivnedar | main issue is the tweaking I do by hand |
| 02:24.20 | Ivnedar | since the discovery data is pretty meh at times |
| 02:26.14 | Ivnedar | EI and Dendrome carnages are missing scene |
| 02:26.19 | Ivnedar | so I put them back in by hand |
| 03:10.06 | seebs | d'oh |
| 03:10.17 | seebs | So I want to share addon data between accounts, like my auction data. |
| 03:10.26 | seebs | ... This means I can't tell whether two characters are ACTUALLY on the same account. |
| 03:10.40 | seebs | For purposes of things like "who can send stuff to whom." |
| 03:11.04 | Imhothar | just note the shard |
| 03:11.45 | Imhothar | ah wait between accounts |
| 03:12.03 | Imhothar | should work still if they're on the same shard, right? |
| 03:12.29 | seebs | Not for account-bound things like currency. |
| 03:13.07 | seebs | And annoyingly, Inspect.Currency doesn't actually tell you which currencies are account-bound and which can be sent anywhere, although I think the answer is "everything but platinum" and "platinum". |
| 03:14.46 | Ivnedar | you can't store alt names in the account data? |
| 03:15.00 | Imhothar | yeah |
| 03:15.18 | Imhothar | mixing account and global saved ars should do the trick |
| 03:15.41 | Imhothar | i guess |
| 03:16.32 | Imhothar | in the account saved vars you store the name of the current character and after enough logins this table has only the names of characters on the same account |
| 03:16.58 | Imhothar | [name] = shard |
| 03:26.35 | seebs | Oh, I have the addon for that. |
| 03:26.55 | seebs | The problem is, it only works if you don't intentionally make all accounts use the same files. |
| 03:26.55 | seebs | But if you don't do that, you can't share auction data. |
| 03:26.59 | seebs | Because there's no such thing as shard-specific data which isn't account-specific. |
| 03:27.15 | Imhothar | that's where the [name] = shard thing comes in |
| 03:27.36 | seebs | But *the account saved vars are shared between my accounts*. |
| 03:27.37 | Imhothar | you'll know what characters belong to the account and on what shard they are |
| 03:27.47 | Imhothar | uhm no |
| 03:27.51 | Imhothar | there's global and account? |
| 03:27.52 | seebs | They are on my system. |
| 03:28.05 | seebs | I have done Dire Magics such that there is a junction mount, and those two paths refer to the same file. |
| 03:28.19 | Imhothar | well then don't... |
| 03:28.22 | seebs | Because while knowing which account characters on is useful, having auction data shared between accounts is *necessary*. |
| 03:28.49 | Imhothar | save the data as "global" and use "account" only for account matching |
| 03:28.54 | seebs | So to get a thing without which I am severely hampered, I have to do a thing which prevents me from having useful account IDs. |
| 03:29.14 | Imhothar | or, to save memory, store the auction data as "shard" |
| 03:29.17 | seebs | The auction data has to be per-shard to be remotely sane. |
| 03:29.27 | seebs | But "shard" is *implicitly* account-specific. |
| 03:29.36 | seebs | So if data is shared per-shard, it is unique to each account. |
| 03:29.51 | seebs | So if you want to share data for, say, "Faeblight auctions", you have to have your accounts sharing a single data pool. |
| 03:30.03 | Imhothar | well then either do it globally or beg ZorbaBeta for a feature |
| 03:30.03 | seebs | And then you can't tell the accounts apart. |
| 03:30.24 | seebs | I think "shard-specific but not account-specific" is on the wishlist already. :) |
| 03:30.47 | Ivnedar | store it in the global variable in a table keyed on shard? |
| 03:30.48 | Imhothar | are you afraid the data gets too big if stored globally? |
| 03:30.59 | Imhothar | if not then just key it bey shard |
| 03:31.14 | seebs | Well, mostly I don't want to mess with the BananAH code. |
| 03:31.28 | seebs | I don't play on multiple shards right now, so the data would be the same size either way. |
| 03:31.38 | Ivnedar | write an addon that manages it? :) |
| 03:31.53 | Imhothar | then it should be enough to change BananAH's .toc to save the stuff globally |
| 03:32.13 | Imhothar | just be sure not to change shards |
| 03:32.44 | seebs | I think it may have some global settings also. And I'd have to then figure out when/where/how to move the data... |
| 03:33.23 | seebs | So basically, "I'll just eyeball the snowflake counts" is wprobably okay. |
| 03:33.25 | Imhothar | SavedVariables = { BananAHAccountSettings = "account", BananAHShardSettings = "shard", BananAHCharacterSettings = "character", } |
| 03:33.52 | Imhothar | changing BananAHShardSettings to "global" shouldn't break anything as long as you stay on the same shard |
| 03:40.45 | seebs | I am disappointed, Vveedin is back. |
| 03:41.42 | seebs | The trolling is bad enough, but his particular thing is flooding chat with stuff about how he's in love with Ibby, who then gets pissed and tells him to fuck off. And that's getting into "actionable sexual harassment" territory, and failure to deal with it tells everyone else that being Creepy McStalkerpants is allowed. |
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| 05:28.00 | Amadeus- | Imhothar, can you take a really quick look at this comment? http://www.curse.com/addons/rift/imhobags#c403 ...I don't mind working on it, and was planning to start digging around; however, I think it might be a bug that pre-dates the 2.4 updates (but I could be wrong.) Anyway, if you want to suggest a good starting point to look in testing, that would be cool. |
| 05:28.35 | Amadeus- | if you don't hav etime or aren't interested ..that's totally fine -- I just thought I'd mention/ask before starting to look for the exact location the bug is occurring. |
| 05:37.04 | Ivnedar | It is interesting to see how people use things differently |
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| 06:07.51 | Amadeus- | yea... |
| 06:08.44 | Amadeus- | he found two bugs I'd have never seen ...the first one I fixed pretty quickly ...this one might be a bit more tricky since I'm still getting my bearings as to where all the various routines are located. |
| 06:09.17 | Amadeus- | but, I should be able to do it ..no problem ...i just thought I'd mention to Imhothar in case it rang any bells for him |
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| 06:57.50 | seebs | Gah. I just noticed now, the necklaces for the dark icicles are bind-to-character. |
| 06:57.59 | seebs | So basically, worthless on anyone not fairly close to 60. :( |
| 07:18.23 | Repo | imhobags: Amaedeus master * 0.16beta2-1-g184ac68 (2 files in 2 directories): [+1 commit] Fixed Guild Vault labels when sorting by 'bags' |
| 08:19.27 | Imhothar__ | never seen that bug before |
| 08:19.30 | Imhothar__ | Amadeus- |
| 08:20.05 | Amadeus- | Imhothar hmmm |
| 08:20.17 | Amadeus- | I need to look at it more closely ..I tried to reproduce it quickly myself and didn't see it |
| 08:20.24 | Amadeus- | but, it was a momentary thing |
| 08:20.47 | Amadeus- | that last commit was for anotehr bug |
| 08:21.00 | Amadeus- | the guy reporting this stuff is using the addon the weirdest way ..lol |
| 08:21.04 | Imhothar | If saved variables are the issue then maybe people are deleting the wrong ones. If there are any in My Documents Rift uses those instead of the game dir |
| 08:21.27 | Imhothar | well, some people want to have a "all in one" bag view, including empty slots |
| 08:21.44 | Amadeus- | he's not doing it in 'one bag' ..he's doing it sorted by bags ...with empty slots ..hehe |
| 08:21.54 | Imhothar | and others organize their stuff in bags instead of relying on categories |
| 08:21.57 | Imhothar | gotta serve em all |
| 08:22.09 | Amadeus- | yea, I suppose ...oh well, I'll look at it more closely and see if I can reproduce it |
| 08:22.33 | Amadeus- | the saved variables thing shoudl not be an issue ..I used your migration routine and I tested it myself going from your last beta 0.15 to the latest beta 0.16 and it worked just fine. |
| 08:23.01 | Amadeus- | the only ones that MIGHT have issue are those that used the one Emki released in 2.4 which, I think, used a different format for something in the database |
| 08:23.10 | Amadeus- | it was a hack I think |
| 08:25.34 | Amadeus- | ZorbaBeta -- is there a dev that would be worth PMing/emailing with regard to the in game custom chat channel system. It's so difficult to work with :( ...and so much drama because it's easy to lose moderation of your own channel, etc. ..it's almost worse than vanilla release IRC ..lol. |
| 08:32.22 | Imhothar | gotta run |
| 09:45.14 | seebs | I would love to see that addressed, the existing state is basically a free for all on channels, and significantly reduces their utility. |
| 09:45.51 | seebs | Trion has a long history, I think, of *massively* underestimating the importance of community, both in terms of chat moderation and the tools provided to users. Consider that we still don't have account-wide ignore. |
| 09:46.01 | seebs | Except supposedly report spam was going to do that, but obviously it doesn't. |
| 09:48.42 | seebs | I think there's a tendency to hugely underweight the indirect impacts of things, or just in general to underrate the impact that hostile or abusive behavior has on people. And since players could in theory just not mind being harassed, priority tends to go to technical issues that players can't "fix" by being of a species other than human which has entirely different social instincts. |
| 10:56.16 | Amadeus- | seebs, Ivnedar -- do you guys know of a way to tell if an item in your inventory is part of a currently saved equipment set? |
| 10:57.25 | Amadeus- | or ZorbaBeta for that matter :) |
| 11:15.21 | Ivnedar | I don't think it's possible |
| 11:21.07 | Amadeus- | :( |
| 11:21.34 | Amadeus- | crush all my dreams |
| 12:28.40 | Thorarin | That would be nice tho... So you know which gear you can get rid of or at least bank :P |
| 12:29.18 | Ivnedar | I'd love it too :) |
| 12:30.11 | Thorarin | 7 bloody bags and they're still permanently full :< |
| 13:02.38 | Amadeus- | I don't understand the "Addon Error Daily Report" |
| 13:02.47 | Amadeus- | 1. The percentages don't add up to 100% ..... |
| 13:03.02 | Amadeus- | 2. Why is a warning, an error? "Error: performance warning" |
| 13:04.06 | Amadeus- | ZorbaBeta, is there a way to put something in the addon to let hte system know that we expect for there to occassionally be "performance warnings"? And/or is there a way to avoid it completely by throttling? (I'm assuming there isn't, otherwise imhothar would have put it in) |
| 13:23.13 | Repo | completionist: xenyre * r2 (34 files in 3 directories): Version 1.0 |
| 13:23.35 | Repo | completionist: xenyre Completionist.1.0 * r3 : Tagging as Completionist.1.0 |
| 13:25.22 | Repo | completionist: xenyre 1.0 * r4 : Tagging as 1.0 |
| 13:26.24 | Ivnedar | Command.System.Watchdog.Quiet |
| 13:27.07 | Ivnedar | you're meant to monitor Inspect.System.Watchdog and delay things into the next frame if it gets low |
| 13:34.06 | Amadeus- | Ivnedar, ah ..do you know of an addon that I could look to as a model? KBM have it? |
| 13:34.29 | Amadeus- | although that might be a complex one to use as a model ..heh |
| 13:35.52 | Amadeus- | oh ..it's just a command |
| 13:36.52 | Ivnedar | kalert does a lot of queued coroutines |
| 13:37.04 | Amadeus- | ah, cool ..I'll look at it |
| 13:37.09 | Ivnedar | put tasks into a queue, queue handler consumes as many as it can inside the frame |
| 13:37.36 | Ivnedar | kbm does it in texture handler |
| 13:37.55 | Ivnedar | consumes from a queue until there's 0.05s left or the queue is empty |
| 13:38.04 | Amadeus- | actually imhothar bags may do it in one of hte libs that imhothar made too ..I'll look more closely |
| 13:38.16 | Ivnedar | libasynctextures does it |
| 13:38.40 | Amadeus- | yea |
| 13:38.43 | Amadeus- | ok |
| 13:38.56 | Amadeus- | that's a pretty simple lib. ...I'll look at that |
| 15:03.59 | Amadeus- | Ivnedar ..when you get a chance, can you take a look at this and see if it looks solid? http://www.curse.com/addons/rift/corout ...I have a feeling it's pretty straightforward, but want to make for sure. |
| 15:04.31 | Amadeus- | because it would do exactly what I need, I do believe :) |
| 15:04.49 | Amadeus- | I mean ..I could write the coroutine stuff myself ..but this is cleaner |
| 15:05.17 | Amadeus- | I'm assuming it's pretty much the same logic as what's described here: http://forums.riftgame.com/technical-discussions/addon-api-development/323311-addon-developer-resources.html#post3856449 |
| 15:43.20 | ZorbaBeta | amadeus, the basic idea is "don't let there be performance warnings" :V Command.System.Watchdog.Quiet can be used out of combat; in-combat, it can't, be careful. |
| 16:05.43 | Ivnedar | Only place I use it is before a call to Inspect.Quest.Complete() |
| 16:05.54 | Ivnedar | Though apparently it won't trigger it anymore |
| 16:33.10 | Ivnedar | seebs: did you ever work out a way to track a player changing zones? |
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| 19:52.20 | seebs | Ivnedar: Not entirely reliably, no. But if you track the zone yourself, and check for changes on unit availability, you can usually spot it. |
| 19:52.39 | seebs | Although I suppose if you were summoned from one dimension to another instance of the same dimension that might not be detectable. |
| 21:20.22 | Imhothar | http://www.eyalw.com/1keyboard |
| 21:20.27 | Imhothar | too awesome not to share this |
| 21:21.18 | Imhothar | using my macbook as keyboard for the PC now. not enough space for both on my desk |
| 21:32.16 | seebs | Oh, that is neat. |
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| 23:15.00 | Ivnedar | seebs: cool, that's what I ended up doing, it's for tracking carnages per zone, so it should be enough |
| 23:16.53 | Ivnedar | reworking carnage book so it has a ui and looks kinda like a book |