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| 00:56.39 | seebs | It confused the heck out of me simply because it was referring to characters who'd never been seen. |
| 00:56.54 | seebs | I *think* it's only "characters that the client has seen since starting", but I'm not 100% sure. |
| 00:57.00 | seebs | And I mean, "seen in friends or ignore lists". |
| 00:57.26 | seebs | So if I log in on a character with a friends list, then go to a new shard, make a new character, and log in, I get an Event.Social.Friend with user@othershard = true for all those users. |
| 00:58.08 | seebs | The reason this screwed me up is that I had assumed that the events would correspond to friends list entries, and thus that getting an event for user@shard, and finding no user@shard in either list, meant they'd been removed from a list which had previously contained them. |
| 00:58.51 | seebs | I think it's client caching of some sort, similar to the way the UI has local cache of item type data for items that haven't ever been seen. (See also my LibSession addon, which is a spectacularly awful hack.) |
| 00:59.10 | seebs | The set of persistent state in the client that lasts between logins is Very Strange. |
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| 02:55.31 | Amadeus- | ZorbaBeta, I don't know if you guys ever have been group meetings (as I know this is out of your area) ...but the queing of premades again with PUGs in warfronts is utterly ruining warfronts. It literally feels like 1.0 again. |
| 02:55.47 | Amadeus- | I'm totally disheartened by it :( I was really enjoying pvp until 2.5 |
| 02:56.08 | Amadeus- | even in the pvp cross-server channels people are literally refusing to play unless they're in a pre-made. |
| 02:56.13 | Amadeus- | and these are long-time pvpers |
| 02:57.01 | Amadeus- | I wish there was a way to tell the people making these decisions that it's bad ....I wonder if they ever play as solo queing ...it's so frustrating that it's an obvious problem but no response about it. |
| 02:58.02 | seebs | I thought the new system was supposed to *reduce* that. |
| 02:58.03 | Noshei | OMFG |
| 02:58.26 | Amadeus- | seebs, the problem is simple: the new system allows for pugs and pre-mades to get in the same warfront. |
| 02:58.40 | Amadeus- | so, everyone is making pre-mades again to have easy (and for some people "fun") steam-roll wins |
| 02:58.49 | seebs | That's *always* been possible, I thought. It's just supposed to *prefer* to put premades against premades when possible. |
| 02:58.51 | Amadeus- | and it's just getting worse and worse the longer we go ....warfronts literally feel like they did in 1.0 now |
| 02:58.53 | Noshei | on volan, just had a perfect phase 1 and was about to start phase 2 and the servers crashed |
| 02:59.36 | Amadeus- | seebs, also ..the new matchmaking system is not helping: by design it places plaeyrs together with similar experience. Therefore, the longer we have gone from 2.5 release, the more you have the "best" players on one side and the "newest" players on the other ...so, even PUG vs. PUG it's getting really uneven. |
| 02:59.56 | seebs | I... wait, what? |
| 03:00.09 | seebs | I thought it was trying to do precisely the opposite -- put people with similar levels of experience on *opposing* teams. |
| 03:00.10 | Amadeus- | that was how Daglar explained the 2.5 matchmaker |
| 03:00.31 | Amadeus- | well, maybe I misunderstood ....do you have a posting explaining that? When I read it, I read it opposite. |
| 03:00.50 | Amadeus- | in other words, put the best players together so you could oppose pre-mades |
| 03:01.01 | Amadeus- | but, when there are no pre-mades ..it just puts the best players together anyway ..heh |
| 03:01.12 | seebs | My understanding was that it was trying to make sure that the entire match had people from as close an experience range as possible. |
| 03:01.13 | Amadeus- | BUT, I admit that I could have misread/misinterpreted it |
| 03:01.53 | Amadeus- | well, I know that when I play my alt (rank 60) ...i lose a LOT more than when I play my main (rank 84) ..and, in both cases, there are a lot more steamrolling than used to be. |
| 03:02.03 | Amadeus- | but, without knowing exactly what the servers are doing....I can't say for sure what the cause is |
| 03:02.30 | Amadeus- | today, it's premades are the problem ...I know that, because I know they're premades ..lol ...but, when it's PUG-vs-PUG I'm not sure why there is more steamrolling than there should be. |
| 03:03.13 | Amadeus- | btw ..I don't know if it was related to the shards going down ....but my warfront selection window ("k") was displaying all kinds of weird stuff before the crash. I hit "logout" and the servers went donw ..haha. |
| 03:05.48 | seebs | I blame you. |
| 03:18.08 | Amadeus- | I've been blamed for a lot of negative things on various games ...but never Rift ;) |
| 03:24.10 | seebs | This is odd, there were shards up before, then I had to do a thing, now different shards are up. |
| 03:27.40 | Amadeus- | I wonder what it could have been to bring down so many shards at once |
| 03:29.08 | Amadeus- | ah, http://forums.riftgame.com/general-discussions/general-discussion/404151-reason-server-crash.html |
| 03:31.03 | seebs | And there they go again. Heh. |
| 03:31.37 | ZorbaBeta | huh, second server crash? |
| 03:32.14 | seebs | I think so. |
| 03:32.31 | seebs | At least, suddenly I stopped getting any new frames or data from Rift, which normally doesn't happen for a minute or more at a time. |
| 03:32.58 | seebs | Woah. It recovered, sort of. |
| 03:33.21 | Noshei | third ish |
| 03:33.22 | seebs | And then I got a spam of 30+ "has logged on via mobile", and then it locked up again, and then it came back. |
| 03:33.31 | Noshei | they are crashing again ZorbaBeta |
| 03:36.49 | ZorbaBeta | ah, I see what's happening - they're still starting up. performance may be a bit sketchy until everything's running as usual |
| 03:37.02 | ZorbaBeta | should be fine in a minute or so, if not earlier |
| 03:37.39 | Amadeus- | hey ZorbaBeta, one of these nights when you're up late...can you try logging in at 4:05 a.m. to see what we have been talking about? Or, did you already see it? |
| 03:39.03 | ZorbaBeta | I'm honestly just gonna refer on to people who know more about the servers than I do, they may know what's going on there |
| 03:40.28 | Amadeus- | btw ...I wish that server channels had /unann set by default. Serverwide channels are spamming now because no admin on to change it ..hehe. |
| 03:41.00 | seebs | I wish there were permanent channel settings. Linkshells are SO awesome. |
| 03:41.14 | Amadeus- | ZorbaBeta, Conquest is broken |
| 03:41.20 | Amadeus- | "Next Match at 0s" |
| 03:41.34 | Amadeus- | "Next match in 0s" rather. |
| 03:41.43 | ZorbaBeta | wouldn't surprise me if it takes a bit for that to sync up also |
| 03:41.52 | ZorbaBeta | the server startup process is long :V |
| 03:41.52 | Amadeus- | ah |
| 03:41.53 | Amadeus- | ok |
| 03:42.15 | Amadeus- | I wasn't sure if that was something that took a while or not. |
| 03:43.01 | Amadeus- | wow ...crossevents@faeblight is so spammy with no admins to turn off the enter/exit announcements..haha |
| 04:18.14 | Ivnedar | who's the current owner? pm them every 5s until they fix it :P |
| 04:18.19 | Amadeus- | yea, I did :) |
| 04:18.31 | Amadeus- | had to /log and then list the users ecause it was a HUGE list already |
| 04:18.35 | Amadeus- | and admin is the first person |
| 04:18.41 | Ivnedar | yup |
| 04:57.57 | Amadeus- | ZorbaBeta, I think Conquest might require a manual setting |
| 04:57.59 | Amadeus- | it's still set at 0x |
| 04:58.02 | Amadeus- | 0s rather |
| 05:07.04 | Ivnedar | has cq been disabled? |
| 05:07.28 | Ivnedar | the 0s thing has happened before when cq was disabled due to problems with it |
| 05:09.04 | Ivnedar | maybe they've decided that cq just isn't worth it :P |
| 05:35.00 | Ivnedar | I wonder if Killznhealz will get an infraction and ban for that "Reason for Server Crash" thread |
| 05:35.08 | Ivnedar | it's pretty similar to Noshei's thread |
| 05:53.47 | Noshei | well this is really interesting |
| 05:54.27 | Noshei | so one of the people in my raid had to restart their computer and when they logged back into the game, they had a different instance ID for IG then the rest of the raid |
| 05:54.40 | Noshei | even though they were there for both bosses we had killed in IG |
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| 07:47.42 | Ivnedar | I'm curious if anyone's looked very far into the negative warfront totals issue |
| 07:48.30 | Ivnedar | if you got over some amount of damage/healing done/taken, that column wraps to negative for them |
| 07:48.44 | Ivnedar | once it's done that once in any wf, it's like that in every wf after that |
| 07:49.11 | Ivnedar | usually happens in port scion the first time, since it has the more opportunity for it |
| 07:49.50 | Ivnedar | interesting that it's permanent for them once it wraps once |
| 08:14.51 | Ivnedar | only thing I can think of is there's a bit of code that sets their score at the start of the match if their current score is "> 0" |
| 08:15.53 | Ivnedar | actually, that would explain it |
| 08:16.10 | Ivnedar | why they wouldn't just set them to 0 regardless of current score I don't know |
| 08:42.25 | Amadeus- | ( Ivnedar ) if you got over some amount of damage/healing done/taken, that column wraps to negative for them |
| 08:42.46 | Amadeus- | ^ it could be that the code is using a signed short integer for the data |
| 08:43.03 | Amadeus- | the display code, that is |
| 08:43.16 | Amadeus- | but the storage might be as unsigned or even a regular signed/unsigned int |
| 08:43.27 | Amadeus- | EQ2 has issues like this where things are stored in one placed signed, and another place unsigned. |
| 08:43.42 | Amadeus- | ...I'm just guessing on the warfront issue though ..hehe ..no clue |
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| 09:05.38 | lee02 | anyone alive? |
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| 10:39.24 | Ivnedar | hooray, finally got join/part spam disabled! |
| 10:39.29 | Ivnedar | hi lee02 |
| 10:39.53 | lee02 | hi |
| 10:48.16 | lee02 | so you have a rift? |
| 10:49.21 | ZorbaBeta | if you're looking for Oculus Rift developers, this isn't that channel - this is for addons for the MMORPG Rift, by Trion Worlds |
| 10:52.00 | Amadeus- | sadly :) |
| 10:55.44 | seebs | I need a Command.Item.Create(). |
| 10:55.57 | seebs | Either that or a Command.Auction.Buy that does not require that I actually *have* the money. |
| 10:56.05 | seebs | BTW, I got a lovely display bug from the AH. |
| 10:56.12 | seebs | Bid on a thing, got a "bought out" message. |
| 10:56.18 | seebs | I had bid 4s. The buyout price was 165p. |
| 10:58.13 | lee02 | ah |
| 11:57.48 | Ivnedar | I love that Mordan/Victus gets easier the longer you wipe to it |
| 11:58.11 | Ivnedar | (ground pattern disappears and you can see mechanics clearly) |
| 13:24.38 | Ivnedar | oops, just went to riftscene and got the wordpress admin install page |
| 13:24.44 | Ivnedar | where I can pick an admin password for the site ... |
| 13:24.58 | Ivnedar | guessing they're reinstalling? |
| 13:25.01 | Ivnedar | gone now |
| 13:47.47 | Amadeus- | http://www.riftscene.com/wp-admin/install.php |
| 13:47.48 | Amadeus- | wow |
| 13:47.57 | Ivnedar | ah, it went back to that |
| 13:47.58 | Ivnedar | hrrm |
| 13:48.42 | Amadeus- | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/19522021/RS.JPG |
| 13:49.05 | Amadeus- | don't even have to guess ....it's "create an account" ..hehe ...of course, a server admin would just redo it ...but wow at the fail |
| 13:49.09 | Amadeus- | someone really screwed up ..heh |
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| 15:51.24 | Ivnedar | awwh, sad, trove's been down for 7 hours now :( |
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| 18:49.22 | Noshei | Ivnedar: you around? |
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| 22:55.12 | Ivnedar | Noshei: am now |
| 22:55.56 | Noshei | you said you had modified ready check to make the icons flash when they were running out, right? |
| 22:57.15 | Ivnedar | yeah |
| 22:58.05 | Noshei | any chance you can send me the code for that? |
| 22:58.15 | Ivnedar | yup, just grabbing it from guild forums |
| 23:00.29 | Ivnedar | http://blitz.nemissa.info/index.php?topic=1031.0 |
| 23:00.32 | Ivnedar | attached to that one |
| 23:01.44 | Noshei | that also have insoles on it? |
| 23:02.29 | Ivnedar | yeah |
| 23:02.36 | Ivnedar | split off PP and insoles |
| 23:03.46 | Noshei | oh nice |
| 23:04.45 | Ivnedar | see how it goes for it |
| 23:05.38 | Noshei | thanks |
| 23:07.56 | Ivnedar | I send it occasionally to Kekoas to put into the public one, but he wants to redo the whole thing, so doesn't really want to make changes :P |
| 23:35.59 | Ivnedar | oh wow, you need to gift someone 3500 credits worth of stuff from the store to get the achievement |
| 23:53.19 | seebs | ... Okay, this is a new display glitch. It's like the all-faces-white glitch, but it's just all-lipstick-bright-green. |
