| 00:11.10 | Noshei | oh Ivneda rwhen you get a chance can you add that volan encounter to the public repo? |
| 00:11.31 | Ivnedar | sure, won't be able to do it til I get home though |
| 00:11.42 | Ivnedar | in 7 hours or so |
| 00:12.56 | Noshei | np |
| 01:34.01 | seebs | I should probably figure out how to turn on the git hosting on my addons and upload the repos to them. |
| 01:41.45 | Ivnedar | man, rift has spoilt me in so many ways with mmorpgs |
| 01:42.03 | Ivnedar | I was so disappointed to see a mining node in wow and realise I'd have to switch to another toon to mine it |
| 01:42.30 | Ivnedar | and how little storage space we have in wow compared to rift |
| 01:42.43 | Ivnedar | so many quality of life luxuries in rift :) |
| 01:49.59 | seebs | Oh, man. |
| 01:50.04 | seebs | FF14 has such dismal QoL in so many ways. |
| 01:50.18 | seebs | Although their crafting and gathering are, I think, significantly more fun than Rift's. |
| 01:50.42 | Noshei | until you realise how long it takes to level them |
| 01:51.04 | seebs | If I wanted to make them better, I'd make them more automateable, probably, and I'd make careful synthesis be the default option. And make the quick synth not suck so horribly. |
| 01:51.11 | Ivnedar | 5 seconds via lovely json posts :D |
| 01:51.14 | seebs | See, it takes a long time, but I actually *enjoy doing it*. |
| 01:51.55 | ZorbaTHut | noshei, will take a look at it on monday |
| 01:51.58 | Ivnedar | I'm fascinated to notice how much rift has become the standard for me to compare other games to |
| 01:52.27 | Noshei | thanks ZorbaTHut, not sure if he has turned his addons back on, but any time in the morning or early afternoon should have all addons off |
| 01:53.46 | seebs | I have SUCH low expectations for FF14's addon API. |
| 01:54.57 | Ivnedar | speaking of getting used to things and seeing them as the norm, we had a 2 month trial of "open, unproxied, unquotad" wireless internet access here at work |
| 01:55.02 | Ivnedar | the trial ended today |
| 01:55.10 | seebs | Haha. |
| 01:55.16 | seebs | So, at my day job, I do embeded Linux. |
| 01:55.24 | seebs | Specifically, we contribute a ton of stuff to the Yocto project. |
| 01:55.39 | seebs | We have had the work firewalls decide that the Yocto project is Probably Dangerous and refuse us access to it. |
| 01:55.48 | seebs | Guess how well this went over. |
| 01:56.05 | Ivnedar | I'm going to go with, umm, very well! |
| 01:56.33 | seebs | Yes. |
| 01:57.24 | Ivnedar | It's amusing how often the "awesome idea" of making something monitor an irc channel for their name being mentioned and make their phone beep to let them know comes up |
| 01:57.39 | Ivnedar | we make real sure that idea lasts for a few minutes :P |
| 01:57.54 | Ivnedar | every second word of every post on that channel from that point on is their name :D |
| 01:58.10 | Noshei | lol |
| 01:58.45 | Ivnedar | can hear their phone beeping non stop on the other side of the office |
| 02:00.04 | Noshei | lol |
| 02:25.32 | seebs | So, a while back, events transpired as a result of which I took drives out of a laptop, put its original drive in it, and sent it to someone. |
| 02:25.38 | seebs | I have no idea where those drives are now. |
| 02:26.46 | seebs | Problems I would not have believed I would someday have: I am pretty sure I misplaced two 200GB SSDs a month or two ago. But I don't remember exactly when. |
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| 02:36.51 | Ivnedar | being unable to manage addons in game is mindboggling to me now too |
| 03:03.04 | seebs | I sometimes wish the state of the world were such that I could just drop someone a line and say "hey, I'd be happy to contribute some code for the addon stuff". Sadly, the world is not in such a state. |
| 03:03.19 | seebs | It's a shame, because it would totally be worth my time to make some minor fixes now and then. :) |
| 03:03.38 | Ivnedar | It kinda works for me with kbm! :D |
| 03:03.47 | Ivnedar | sometimes anyway |
| 03:03.51 | seebs | I suspect that the Rift client is slightly less open. :P |
| 03:03.55 | Ivnedar | and soon with noshei and kbm! *cough* |
| 03:04.08 | Ivnedar | oh, making changes to the backend, right |
| 03:04.17 | Ivnedar | yeah, I'd love that, but I'm sure Trion would hate it :D |
| 03:04.36 | Ivnedar | or even access to the item spreadsheet that seems to be behind itemization |
| 03:04.40 | Ivnedar | to fix typos |
| 03:07.52 | seebs | Heh. |
| 03:07.58 | seebs | I would LOVE to be able to fix typos. |
| 03:08.07 | seebs | I think there's at least one item typo I reported in beta that's still broken. |
| 03:08.09 | Ivnedar | Daglar gives the impression that it's all done in spreadsheets |
| 03:08.14 | Ivnedar | which makes me shudder, but I guess it works |
| 03:16.33 | Ivnedar | is there even a ticket topic for typos? |
| 03:16.36 | Ivnedar | in game I mean |
| 03:17.16 | Ivnedar | There was some extra feedback feature for reporting typos in SL beta |
| 03:17.29 | Ivnedar | I spent ages doing all those, and most were still the same at launch |
| 03:17.34 | Ivnedar | so I gave up doing anything like that |
| 03:17.36 | seebs | Not for GM tickets, but the generic feedback thing, yeah. I generally file them under "text and translation". |
| 03:19.08 | Ivnedar | cam1 is 6.5gb, cam2 is 5.8gb |
| 03:19.10 | Ivnedar | oops |
| 03:19.33 | Ivnedar | (making time lapse vides of a building being constructed :) ) |
| 03:20.03 | Ivnedar | ah yeah, those always feel like they get filed in someone's bin |
| 03:20.18 | Ivnedar | I assume they're added to a list somewhere at the bottom |
| 06:19.27 | ZorbaTHut | seebs, re: yocto and firewalls, a few months ago the Trion firewall decided I was no longer allowed to download the Luajit source code |
| 06:19.35 | seebs | ... |
| 06:19.36 | ZorbaTHut | strangely it had no problem with me downloading Luajit binaries |
| 06:19.45 | ZorbaTHut | just the source code |
| 06:19.58 | seebs | That's ... not very well considered. |
| 06:20.14 | seebs | BTW, we have entered a new phase of the troll-vs-GM thing. |
| 06:20.25 | seebs | One of our die-hard trolls just spent a while trolling as hard as he could... in /say. |
| 06:20.27 | ZorbaTHut | yeah the firewall is an occasional source of comedy. sometimes we get it fixed, sometimes we just download stuff on our cellphones instead. |
| 06:20.29 | seebs | Because he couldn't use channels. |
| 06:20.43 | ZorbaTHut | one thing that consistently amuses me is that it has all Bitcoin-related sites flagged as scams. |
| 06:20.47 | seebs | Hah. |
| 06:21.25 | ZorbaTHut | also, that's pretty fantastic |
| 06:21.30 | seebs | Also they're trying to figure out whether GMs will consider things like carefully positioning your face in a female character's chest region and flirting with her is harassment. |
| 06:21.50 | seebs | I dunno how much stuff like character position data stays logged for any length of time. |
| 06:22.49 | seebs | We've lost a couple of people that I think were one guy with more than one account. |
| 06:22.53 | seebs | A grade A asshole, too. |
| 06:23.12 | seebs | Did stuff like making a character whose name looked just like someone else's, and going around advertising contests with REX as prizes, etcetera. |
| 06:23.25 | seebs | And since the player he was imitating does sometimes do giveaways and stuff, it was sort-of-plausible. |
| 06:23.59 | seebs | Then he spent a week or so telling everyone that the actually helpful person was his main, and this was just his trolling alt, so people should report them to save the GMs time. And so on. |
| 06:24.47 | seebs | My interpretation of what I'm seeing now is that the GMs are really enjoying the cleanup. |
| 06:43.29 | ZorbaTHut | I doubt we have enough precision to figure out exactly where someone is standing while chatting, although I suppose if it becomes an issue we could always add it |
| 06:52.02 | seebs | I suspect the number of people who make up stuff like that is going to be roughly zero, so the reports are probably legit, and of course, there's usually chat logs. |
| 06:52.25 | seebs | For some reason, the world is full of people who play MMOs, and are *totally convinced* that the GMs will have no way of accessing chat logs. |
| 06:55.06 | ZorbaTHut | yeah I've never really understood that. people don't realize just how much stuff can be logged. |
| 06:55.32 | ZorbaTHut | most of the time the question isn't "can we do that" but "are we doing that yet", and if the answer is "no" more than two or three times, the next question is "why not". |
| 06:55.57 | ZorbaTHut | (totally pales next to Google's insane logging, of course) |
| 06:56.21 | seebs | Arcanaville once reported a possible bug of some sort, and one of the CoH devs asked her why, in that fight, she'd suddenly dodged left at a particular point. |
| 06:56.31 | seebs | They had no prior knowledge that the fight would be interesting, that was just there by default. |
| 06:56.52 | ZorbaTHut | hah, excellent |
| 06:57.23 | seebs | One of the regular trolls was sending people death threats and sexual harassment in tells right after being muted in chat by a GM. |
| 06:57.47 | seebs | I am guessing that this will be a temporary state. |
| 06:57.50 | ZorbaTHut | from what I understand, CoH always had better abstraction between game events and client rendering - we don't have any sensible way of storing a game replay, for example |
| 06:58.05 | ZorbaTHut | yeah I don't think it's giving much away to say that tells are logged. :P |
| 06:58.49 | seebs | The big worry is just that historically, GMs have not done anything about harassment for the last year or two. But I am pretty sure they do now. |
| 07:00.18 | seebs | Oh, hey. Rendering thing: I note that when I have antialiasing on, I can see nameplates through walls. |
| 07:00.26 | ZorbaTHut | hah, yeah, that gets mentioned pretty often |
| 07:00.31 | ZorbaTHut | I played whack-a-mole with that bug for like a week |
| 07:00.36 | seebs | Also, I have noticed that occasionally people's pets have carnage icons by their names. |
| 07:00.39 | ZorbaTHut | right now the conclusion is "will not fix until rendering pipeline is better designed". |
| 07:02.03 | seebs | Seems reasonable. |
| 07:28.39 | Ivnedar | ooh, player pets are carnages? sweet! |
| 07:36.24 | seebs | I noticed! |
| 07:44.15 | seebs | Hah, one of our trolls was whining about performance. |
| 07:44.42 | seebs | My feeling was that the guy who spent quite a while trying to make his toon hump one of my guildies and sending her rape threats does not need my insights into how to get better performance out of Rift. |
| 07:47.20 | ZorbaTHut | it's kinda amazing just how much better 1080p video looks compared to old SD video. wonder if 4k is going to be a significant improvement also |
| 07:53.17 | seebs | Interestingly, most of the time, if I don't have glasses on, I don't see much difference in movie-type things between 480p and 1080p. |
| 07:53.36 | ZorbaTHut | I definitely do, but then again I also wear glasses all the time |
| 07:53.39 | seebs | ... Note also that if I'm not on a lot of stimulants, I can't reliably tell 30fps from 60fps. |
| 07:53.49 | seebs | And if I'm sick, I can't reliably tell 15fps from 30fps. |
| 08:05.54 | seebs | Huh. |
| 08:05.58 | seebs | I suspect treachery. |
| 08:06.19 | seebs | Since launch, I've been arguing that the PvP auto-flag should be off by default at least on PvE shards, because it is such a source of confusion and griefing. And it never happened. |
| 08:06.28 | seebs | I left for ~3 months and suddenly it happened. |
| 08:06.43 | seebs | I am pretty sure they wanted me to not know it had changed, and waited until I quit and stopped updating the What's New thread before making the change. |
| 08:06.46 | Ivnedar | shall we call you "the straw"? sounds like the camel's back is breaking! |
| 08:08.52 | seebs | I think it was just that they were maliciously preventing me from finding out they'd fixed it. |
| 08:12.20 | seebs | ... it was literally the *first patch* after I quit. |
| 08:27.17 | seebs | Wow. |
| 08:27.22 | seebs | So I have been looking at patch notes. |
| 08:27.45 | seebs | And the more I look at them, the more ludicrously stupid I find complaints that Trion is doing nothing but work on the store. |
| 08:29.52 | ZorbaTHut | hah, I hadn't heard those complaints. yeah, obviously the store gets worked on - I fixed a fun rendering bug in it - but everything else does too |
| 08:30.29 | Ivnedar | the sheep/mount one? |
| 08:30.52 | ZorbaTHut | nah, that one's still in there afaik. there was a bug where objects with the refraction shader would always show your character in the center |
| 08:32.40 | seebs | Oh, yeah, there's lots of people complaining about how nothing gets done that isn't store-focused. |
| 08:32.53 | seebs | Because reworking IPP to be a mid-level zone sells so much stuff. |
| 08:33.10 | seebs | I suppose strictly speaking the color-blind setting might make some people more likely to buy things. |
| 08:33.29 | Ivnedar | making the game more enjoyable to play means people stay and buy stuff! |
| 08:33.33 | seebs | But there are a TON of things in there, like that, which have been wishlist items forever. |
| 08:34.42 | seebs | I PMd CM Morganna to point out that I am on to their sinister little plot. |
| 08:34.50 | Ivnedar | lol |
| 08:35.00 | seebs | Because waiting until basically the day after I left to make one of the changes I'd been whining about for two years? That's *art*. |
| 08:35.17 | Ivnedar | Aha, so you should have left years ago! |
| 08:35.24 | seebs | Clearly. |
| 08:35.34 | Ivnedar | buffer up all the things you want fixed, leave for a month, then return and enjoy |
| 08:36.06 | Ivnedar | repeat every few months |
| 08:36.38 | seebs | I am noting also that I think the GMs started with warning shots for the trolls, but it looks like that does now *escalate* with continued abuse. |
| 08:36.52 | seebs | So the first time one of our more abusive people ran into a GM, he got a few minutes of chat squelch. |
| 08:37.11 | Ivnedar | for some, that'll be enough |
| 08:37.13 | seebs | But today he spent a while harassing people in /say and then disappeared. |
| 08:37.28 | Ivnedar | others will want to push the boundaries to find where they are |
| 08:37.58 | seebs | Yeah. |
| 08:38.12 | seebs | And really, looking at what these people have to contribute, I can't imagine it being much of a loss if they go away. |
| 08:38.41 | seebs | One of our often-trolls, who is mostly just playing dumb rather than being abusive, wanted to know how to get the title "the Friendly". Heh. |
| 08:38.53 | seebs | I told him I did it by being friendly. |
| 08:39.18 | seebs | Well, that was certainly a week of vacation, now back to work with me. |
| 08:39.24 | seebs | Well. Sleep. |
| 08:40.11 | Ivnedar | nite :) |
| 08:40.59 | ZorbaTHut | g'night :) |
| 11:50.27 | Ivnedar | Pretty sure Salv laser is getting worse each patch now :( |
| 11:50.59 | Ivnedar | We've now got it killing people nowhere near it, and every second laser is a half laser |
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| 12:18.47 | Ivnedar | I like the idea of loot being guild bound |
| 12:18.56 | Ivnedar | a guild could have an armory that drops go into |
| 12:19.14 | Ivnedar | they can be given out as needed as temporary buff type things |
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| 17:23.11 | Noshei | so it seems that the patron gifts are different in US and EU |
| 17:23.32 | Noshei | so if you hafve characters in both, you can actually get a daily/weekly patron box in both. |
| 17:37.20 | Thorarin | ZOMG, so you have twice the chance to get 5 loyalty ;) |
| 17:40.13 | Noshei | you can get up to 50 loyalty from the boxes |
| 17:40.36 | Noshei | maybe more, but I haven't seen more than an epic item that gives 50 |
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| 17:57.45 | Repo | raidcooldowns: quickgric * r29 (3 files in 1 directory): few alpha fixes |
| 18:18.18 | Thorarin | 50? From the weeklies yes |
| 18:56.43 | Noshei | so has anyone else ever played Antichamber? |
| 18:57.44 | seebs | I tried. |
| 18:58.00 | seebs | I can't play it because they disabled the mechanism that source engine games are supposed to have to disable head bobbing. |
| 18:58.26 | Noshei | yeah that is a bit annoying |
| 18:58.58 | Noshei | I'm sure you could turn that off in the game code easily enough |
| 19:00.47 | Noshei | http://forums.epicgames.com/threads/774188-how-to-disable-the-head-bobbing-lt-SOLVED-gt - there you go seebs |
| 19:02.17 | Noshei | for anyone that hasn't tried it, I highly recommend it, very fun and it does a great job at what it set out to do. |
| 19:02.47 | Noshei | I spent about 3-4 hours playing last night and didn't even realise it until I looked down at my clock |
| 19:06.36 | seebs | Oh, interesting. |
| 19:06.43 | seebs | I may try it again, then, I quite liked what I could see. |
| 19:08.14 | Noshei | I "completed" the "story" aspect of the game just a few minutes ago, but still a few more challanges to do and I seem to be missing some of the paintings |
| 20:26.43 | seebs | So I actually *read* most of the patch notes. |
| 20:26.48 | seebs | And I am utterly stunned that people are complaining about a lack of non-store content, because wow. |
| 21:02.58 | Noshei | So I just completed everything in Antichamber |
| 21:03.16 | Noshei | took about 5 hours ish, probably could have done it faster |
| 22:47.41 | Ivnedar | Noshei: There have been some very creative speed runs in that game |
| 22:49.14 | Ivnedar | I'm still on the idea of guild loot |
| 22:49.23 | Ivnedar | it could be implemented like the pvp bolstering system |
| 22:49.36 | Ivnedar | Guild can unlock a minimum gear level for the raid |
| 22:50.38 | Ivnedar | Makes bringing alts/newbies through a lot easier |
| 22:50.56 | Ivnedar | they end up with the right amount of hit/toughness/end to survive the encounter, but won't be best |
| 22:51.08 | Ivnedar | loot that drops for them would override the bolster buff for that slot |
| 22:52.03 | Noshei | that might be a cool thing for patrons |
| 22:52.08 | Ivnedar | It'd probably get more people into raiding too. The gear cliff wouldn't be so steep |
| 22:52.27 | Ivnedar | I can recruit a fresh 60 and pull them into a T2 where they're bolstered up to T1 gear levels |
| 22:52.53 | Noshei | so I just finised Q.U.B.E, fun game, though very short |
| 22:53.05 | Ivnedar | Did you play The Stanley Parable? |
| 22:53.14 | Noshei | dont think so |
| 22:53.22 | Ivnedar | worth playing :) |
| 22:54.15 | seebs | Stanley Parable is amazing. |
| 22:54.18 | Noshei | the description is certainly interesting |
| 22:54.32 | Ivnedar | I don't want to say too much, other than it's worth it :D |
| 22:54.40 | Ivnedar | It's better to experience it all :D |
| 22:55.34 | seebs | I wanted to show Jesse a thing I found in it, and couldn't. |
| 22:55.42 | seebs | Because the narration remembers previous play-throughs. |
| 23:15.12 | Noshei | so I downloaded the stanley parable |
| 23:15.28 | Amadeus- | I tried the demo and hated that |
| 23:15.35 | Amadeus- | unless the game is different from the demo I have no interest |
| 23:15.53 | Noshei | from the little I've played so far I like it |
| 23:18.00 | Ivnedar | The demo is a different game to the game, same idea though |
| 23:24.32 | Amadeus- | yea, I found it incredibly annoying |
| 23:24.53 | Amadeus- | didn't make me want to try the game at all. |
| 23:25.40 | Ivnedar | fair enough |
| 23:26.36 | seebs | It's very much a Personal Taste kind of game |
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| 23:28.12 | seebs | Anyone remember whether Banaano indicated whether he was just taking a break, or planned to stay gone? |
| 23:28.41 | Noshei | he didn't really indicate either way |
| 23:28.58 | seebs | Wondering whether BananAH needs any updates from the changes to the auction interface, although I don't think it should. |
| 23:29.19 | Ivnedar | I think the changes happened before he'd completely gone, and nothing needed to change |
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