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| 02:05.10 | Ivnedar | Noshei: see the warden thrax chains damage reply from kervik? |
| 02:05.22 | Noshei | sure did |
| 02:05.45 | Noshei | that will be nice once they actually fix it, them mages are deadly when they get chained |
| 02:07.54 | Ivnedar | wasn't the magic carpet addon made by a player? |
| 02:08.38 | Ivnedar | yup |
| 02:08.52 | Ivnedar | interesting that a lot of the comments about it are from people referencing the item it uses |
| 02:09.00 | Ivnedar | addon hardcodes which rug to use |
| 02:09.42 | Ivnedar | so it just needs someone to update it to allow you to pick an item I guess |
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| 02:48.28 | ZorbaTHut | there's actually *three* modes that the serializer can resort to |
| 02:48.34 | ZorbaTHut | the first one is the nicely-formatted mode it generally works in |
| 02:48.48 | ZorbaTHut | the second is where it starts doing _G[] madness in order to deal with circular links |
| 02:49.02 | ZorbaTHut | the third involves it making functions that contain subsets of the serialized data, just in case you have a huge amount of data |
| 02:50.02 | ZorbaTHut | also, noshei, took a look at that crash - it looks like it was in the addon code and I've got a fix checked in (I hope). Assuming I'm right, it should go live in next week's patch. If it also crashes with addons off, I unfortunately didn't see a crash of that type - if you can get your friend to run without addons, send in a crash report, and give you a timestamp, I might be able to hunt it down from there |
| 02:51.10 | Noshei | will do ZorbaTHut thanks for looking into that |
| 02:51.12 | Vendan_ | lol, that third mode sounds insane |
| 02:51.27 | Ivnedar | I hit the third one once :D |
| 02:52.15 | Ivnedar | Which is the one that starts putting in Ref# type sub tables? |
| 02:52.30 | ZorbaTHut | vendan, yeah, it's pretty crazy. took me a while to figure out how to even make it work |
| 02:52.42 | ZorbaTHut | ivnedar, I believe #2 and #3 both do that |
| 02:52.46 | Vendan_ | is it just too much data, and the functions help break it up, or what? |
| 02:53.01 | ZorbaTHut | vendan, yeah - luajit (and probably lua too) have limits on how many local constants you can have in one translation block |
| 02:53.18 | ZorbaTHut | but each function counts as a translation block, so, (function () --[[ more stuff here ]] end)() |
| 02:54.23 | Noshei | ZorbaTHut: what was the bug you found related to? |
| 02:54.28 | Noshei | just wondering |
| 02:54.31 | ZorbaTHut | baanano also ran into a curious issue with string hashing - luajit's string hasher pays attention to the first four bytes, last four bytes, middle four bytes, and four bytes at the 1/4 point |
| 02:55.15 | Vendan_ | is it too many keys that causes the function splitting? |
| 02:55.16 | ZorbaTHut | but by pure coincidence of how baanano was generating string data, those were almost always the same in his data, which obliterated performance quite horribly. I can't remember if he reorganized his strings or added four bytes of garbage at the end |
| 02:55.54 | ZorbaTHut | noshei, somehow he seems to have acquired an ability with an ID of 0. Shouldn't be possible, and the addon code was crashing on it. I'll admit I'm curious what's actually going on there, but it was easy enough to make the addon code *not* crash on it. |
| 02:56.34 | Noshei | wow that is strange |
| 02:56.48 | Ivnedar | tell him to stop haxing! |
| 02:57.48 | Noshei | I'll have him dump out an Inspect.Ability.new.List() at some point, see if it shows up with a name or anything |
| 02:58.06 | Ivnedar | I don't suppose he'd have an ability on a bar still that was removed? |
| 02:58.08 | ZorbaTHut | I'm about 98% sure that it will either show nothing or immediately crash :V |
| 02:58.33 | ZorbaTHut | ivnedar, ability 0 isn't a vaild ability and never was. Shouldn't be possible to get it anywhere. That said, it's not just "on a bar" - it actually thinks he has that ability. |
| 02:58.42 | ZorbaTHut | ("on a bar" is actually totally fine) |
| 02:58.55 | Noshei | that is really strange |
| 02:59.05 | Ivnedar | maybe your friend is daglar? |
| 03:00.12 | Ivnedar | Imagining the whole neo/matrix thing, having ability 0 |
| 03:01.42 | Vendan_ | argh, I just really can't do pretty in html |
| 03:01.50 | Noshei | ZorbaTHut: that wouldn't be something that support could have done is it? |
| 03:02.36 | Ivnedar | I remember that I had way of the mountain's effect permanently on for my toon at one point |
| 03:02.40 | Ivnedar | for months |
| 03:02.44 | Ivnedar | reported it a few times, nothing could be done about it |
| 03:02.58 | ZorbaTHut | noshei, I don't think so - even if they tried, it wouldn't let you add a nonexistent ability |
| 03:03.00 | Ivnedar | read later that addiction knew how to reproduce that |
| 03:03.13 | Ivnedar | guessing I did something at random that caused it for me without knowing what I did |
| 03:04.59 | Ivnedar | meant I was permanently immune to all forms of crowd control, disguises, transformations, etc |
| 03:05.20 | Noshei | nice |
| 03:05.37 | Ivnedar | lasted from hk days to a few months into SL |
| 03:05.38 | Vendan_ | sounds like it would be rather powerful in pvp |
| 03:06.26 | Ivnedar | probably would have been |
| 03:06.32 | Ivnedar | I don't really pvp though |
| 03:07.19 | Ivnedar | It was a curse though with SL quests. The necropolis quest where you go into the ai's brain and fight as the big crustacean with all the super abilities? Yeah, I had to do it as myself |
| 03:08.08 | Ivnedar | Or when I got turned into a turret, I couldn't complete that quest. Support ended up force completing the quest for me so I could continue the chain |
| 03:12.35 | seebs | Oh, Zorba. If you're around: I have discovered that in many cases, knowing the timestamp of last update on a storage object would be more useful than knowing its checksum. |
| 03:14.47 | Noshei | random question here, ZorbaTHut do you know what is being used to generate the checksum? |
| 03:15.11 | ZorbaTHut | noshei, the luajit one? the code's available in luajit - I don't remember the details offhand |
| 03:19.26 | Noshei | I was just wondering how secure it is and if it would be possible to insert duplicate checksums |
| 03:34.06 | Vendan_ | seebs, I agree, timestamp would be massively useful |
| 03:34.54 | seebs | Arguably, a user-defineable timestamp might be better. In general, what I care about is not "is this identical", but "is the server's copy newer?" |
| 03:36.38 | Vendan_ | well, that should be easy to add yourself, I would think |
| 03:38.25 | seebs | Sure. But then I have to download it and decompress/expand/etc., and only then can I check the contents. |
| 03:38.38 | seebs | So I end up doing most of the work anyway, and checking the checksum isn't saving me all that much. |
| 03:39.31 | Vendan_ | or, you could have 2 buckets per batch of data |
| 03:39.40 | Vendan_ | and have the second bucket be just the timestamp |
| 03:39.47 | seebs | Yeah, but that has pretty big overhead, and the available space is tiny. |
| 03:39.48 | Vendan_ | but then you run into concurrency |
| 03:40.05 | Vendan_ | how much space is available? |
| 03:40.14 | Vendan_ | I've never messed with the storage stuff |
| 03:40.46 | seebs | 2kb/character |
| 03:40.54 | seebs | Each bucket uses ~64 bytes just for existing. |
| 03:40.58 | Vendan_ | geez, that's beyond tiny |
| 03:44.47 | Vendan_ | heh, that's the kinda size where I'd want to look at using addon channels to share data, but that gets even more complex |
| 03:46.03 | seebs | Been thinking about trying to do a game server in Rift. |
| 03:46.09 | seebs | Like, for dice/cards for people who wanna do RP. |
| 03:46.46 | Vendan_ | heh, fun part there is making a reasonable random number generator |
| 03:47.03 | Vendan_ | that can't just be tweaked to say "I win!" |
| 03:47.44 | seebs | Well, what originally got me thinking about it was wanting a thing that let me play Cards Against Humanity in-game. |
| 03:49.24 | Vendan_ | also makes me want to tear apart the compression algo they are using, and optimize it for the data that's being stored |
| 03:51.21 | seebs | I did some messing with that. A preloaded shared dictionary can indeed reduce storage requirements a bit. |
| 03:52.05 | Vendan_ | and yay, my online character sheet is managing about 2400 requests per second |
| 03:53.07 | Vendan_ | heh, I should pull out my pure lua bzip algo and try to tune it for small lua datastructures |
| 04:17.06 | Vendan_ | also, note, it's probably not too much help, but it looks like you should be able to pass a -15 to the windowsize on both the inflate and the deflate, should chop off 6 bytes without affecting anything |
| 04:17.15 | Vendan_ | but that won't be backwards compatible |
| 04:31.46 | seebs | I once managed to come up with a data set wherein a given string compressed to N bytes, and the same string twice compressed to something like N+16 bytes. Where N was a couple of kilobytes, and the original string was close to 64k. |
| 04:32.37 | Vendan_ | well, that wouldn't really be that hard |
| 04:37.53 | Vendan_ | I mean, that's just getting the compression algo to realize that the second half of the message is identical to the first half, and saying "Hey, copy that stuff again" |
| 04:38.10 | Vendan_ | which is just making sure your window is large enough to see all of it |
| 05:57.22 | seebs | Should either of Storage.* or Message.* be affected by ignore lists? |
| 05:58.44 | Ivnedar | addon messages honour ignore lists |
| 05:59.04 | Ivnedar | amusing to listen to people complain about not being able to see kbm rez timers in raid, only to admit that they have that healer on ignore :P |
| 05:59.47 | seebs | Storage doesn't seem to. |
| 05:59.56 | seebs | Which may be either a bug or a feature. |
| 06:00.35 | Ivnedar | the difference being, documentation? :D |
| 06:00.55 | Ivnedar | how does storage interact with other players? |
| 06:01.06 | Ivnedar | targetting their storage? |
| 06:02.39 | seebs | Yeah. Inspect.Storage.List(...) seems to be able to retrieve stored data. Which makes sense, since no messages from you are ever sent to them. |
| 06:03.04 | Ivnedar | and if you're ignoring them, would you want to not be able to access their storage, or them to not be able to access your storage (reversing the ignore type thing) |
| 06:03.16 | seebs | I don't know. |
| 06:03.23 | seebs | I'm not sure what *ought* to happen. |
| 06:03.30 | Ivnedar | That's what I'm trying to think out :) |
| 06:03.42 | seebs | But as a side effect, it used to be that ignore prevented people from seeing each other's RP bios with Merisioux, now it doesn't. |
| 06:03.58 | Ivnedar | and now you need to work out if that's good or bad? |
| 06:06.51 | Ivnedar | btw, if anyone has an ios device and hasn't tried clumsy ninja, I'd recommend it, lots of fun :D |
| 07:07.51 | seebs | So, I logged 4ish hours of 1-29. |
| 07:08.08 | seebs | There was about one hour in there with some trolling in 1-29, the rest of the time, it was pretty quiet, with people asking questions and generally getting useful answers. |
| 07:09.45 | Thorarin | Lucky you :P |
| 07:09.53 | Thorarin | Still mostly trolling in EU :S |
| 07:10.13 | seebs | Given the degree of change, I am suspecting this is not so much "luck" as "a change in progress". |
| 07:10.21 | seebs | Gonna keep checking, but it's HIGHLY suspicious. |
| 08:37.12 | Amadeus- | You know, even if the new Conquest isn't ready..I wish Trion would go ahead and update the old one with the new marks...or something to revitalize it and get people interested. |
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| 11:22.13 | Ivnedar | It's just as strange that they're not talking about what they're doing |
| 11:22.37 | Ivnedar | It's like they're not allowed to publicly talk about the problem |
| 11:22.55 | Ivnedar | The most that's been said was dahanese saying she'll welcome you back |
| 11:28.52 | Ivnedar | I was very confused by the hotfix coming out a day early |
| 11:29.04 | Ivnedar | then I realised it's probably thanksgiving holidays over there and no one would want to be working :P |
| 11:53.40 | Amadeus- | yea, god forbid that anyone work on a holiday |
| 11:54.28 | Amadeus- | it's always annoyed me that 24/7 games don't have people working on holidays ....never understood why it's acceptable for some fields to work on holidays ..but not IT/Computer related fields |
| 11:54.47 | Amadeus- | I remember when the Internet was still fairly new in the 90s.... Shit would basically stop working EVERY major holiday. |
| 12:00.31 | Ivnedar | I work in IT and I work every holiday! |
| 12:09.37 | Ivnedar | roflmao @ warrior 2h weapon from the mech vault |
| 12:09.54 | Ivnedar | 135 str, 87 dex, 97 end, 102 sp, 106 hit |
| 12:10.02 | Ivnedar | that sp wasn't my typo :P |
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| 12:10.37 | Ivnedar | it upgrades to 152 str, 98 dex, 109 end, 114 sp, 106 hit |
| 12:12.04 | Amadeus- | the new mech mount sucks ...it's so big it takes up too much screen space when people in raid have it |
| 12:18.11 | Ivnedar | login bug not fixed sadly :( |
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| 14:53.49 | Ivnedar | seebs: wow @ daglar's last post |
| 14:54.45 | Ivnedar | ... "Maybe I'll talk to the community team about making a policy on constant misinformation and chat about some nice perma banning options.~Daglar" |
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| 18:06.36 | seebs | I saw that, and well... I sorta get the frustration he's got here. They are REALLY careful not to do certain things, and people accuse them of doing those things anyway. |
| 18:24.10 | Ardoth | Is there a way to clear a frame of specific child types? ie: I have a SimpleWindow frame with buttons and SimpleLists, I just want to remove the SimpleLists. |
| 18:36.08 | Ardoth | Or maybe just a way to remove a specific child? I see that there is a RiftWindow:GetChildren that I can iterate through but I'm not seeing how I would remove a child. |
| 18:44.03 | ZorbaTHut | there's no way to delete frames, but you *could* iterate through GetChildren and attach all the children that you don't want to another frame. |
| 18:45.54 | Ardoth | I think I found a solution. I'm just trying to make sure I don't keep creating additional children that already exist. I'm maintaining a list of them and just modifying them as needed. |
| 18:46.07 | ZorbaTHut | yup, that's a good solution |
| 18:49.49 | seebs | I always love it when someone thinks they can just insult Daglar all they want on the forums because obviously he's an *employee* and just has to take it. |
| 18:50.05 | seebs | And then they discover that Trion's view of "professionalism" is not quite the same as "servile deference". |
| 18:50.54 | seebs | If you were trying to punch someone solely because you thought he couldn't punch back, and then you whine that he's a bully, that is pure schadenfreude gold for the rest of the onlookers. |
| 18:51.23 | Ardoth | Are you inferring that Trion does base all of its decisions around the loudest rabble-rousers? :-p </sarcasm> |
| 18:51.26 | seebs | Not quite as hilariously awesome as the white supremacist discovering that he's "86% European" genetically on live TV, but way up there. |
| 18:51.45 | seebs | I just really like watching Daglar smack people down occasionally. |
| 18:51.48 | Ardoth | err, does *not |
| 18:53.06 | Ardoth | Cool, my little manager thing works for preventing duplicate frames. |
| 18:53.35 | Ardoth | Now to figure out how to sort my data before inserting it into the lists... |
| 19:41.00 | Noshei | thats easy Ardoth |
| 19:41.26 | Ardoth | Yeah, I got my sorting working. |
| 19:41.38 | Ardoth | Just a little different to do it than I'm used to |
| 19:42.13 | Noshei | ah ok |
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| 20:33.20 | Noshei | hey ZorbaTHut if you get a chance can you poke someone at work and let them know that mobile seems to be broken |
| 20:34.16 | Noshei | not showing anyone as being on mobile at all and wispers don't seem to work either. |
| 20:35.09 | Noshei | any ways, im off. see you all in a couple days. |
| 21:03.07 | Ardoth | Dear RiftTextfield, stop being a jerk and learn to wrap text. Thanks. |
| 21:08.34 | seebs | Heh. |
| 21:08.41 | seebs | I've actually got a thought about trying to make an Editable Text. |
| 21:09.04 | seebs | Which would work by having a hidden textfield associated with it, which it redirects focus to, then intercepting that and so on. Only thing is, I can't think of a way to handle drag-selects, etcetera. |
| 21:11.04 | Ardoth | I messed around with a similar idea when I was building my notes addon. Ultimately my inexperience with Lua and Rift addons won and I gave up :p |
| 21:13.06 | Repo | nkrebuff: naifu * r269 (21 files in 6 directories): (2 lines trimmed from commit message) |
| 21:13.08 | Repo | added nkPanel support |
| 21:13.10 | Repo | changed a lot of definitions from global to private |
| 21:13.12 | Repo | moved the analyzer window slightly lower |
| 21:13.14 | Repo | the configuration entry in the nkPanel plugin or nk Minimap Button menĂ¼ will now toggle the display of the configuration window |
| 21:13.22 | Repo | nkrebuff: naifu V3.9.0 * r270 : Tagging as V3.9.0 |
| 21:23.57 | Imhothar_ | holy crap, up to $70 microtransactions in Forza 5 for the most expensive cars? In a title that already costs $60? |
| 21:24.15 | Imhothar_ | this is madness |
| 21:25.12 | Imhothar | make grinding part of the game design and allow people to spend money to skip over the boringly tedious parts |
| 21:25.33 | Imhothar | so much greediness |
| 21:25.38 | Ardoth | ^ |
| 21:27.45 | Imhothar | seriously, pre-order exclusives and day-one DLCs are already bad enough, but this? microtransactions worth multiple times the buying price of a AAA title? |
| 21:27.54 | seebs | Someone was fussing about the forums not being restrictive enough. |
| 21:28.14 | seebs | I proposed that they should be open only to people who have both (1) orange or red tier loyalty (2) a special title like "community ambassador" or "fan site operator". |
| 21:28.29 | seebs | I then edited the post to add "rift guide writer", with the edited-because reason "added title for roughraptors". |
| 21:28.40 | seebs | I feel this adequately rebuts any claim that I am completely opposed to any sort of trolling whatsoever. |
| 21:32.28 | Ardoth | Seems reasonable |
| 21:32.31 | Ardoth | :D |
| 21:54.16 | Ardoth | Ok, so noob question. How do I dispatch an event? I have a SimpleWindow in which I want to dispatch the Close event. |
| 22:13.02 | seebs | I am not entirely sure off the top of my head. |
| 22:15.31 | Ardoth | I think i figured it out. It wasn't actually "dispatching" an event as I expected it to be. I just needed to use something like if myWin.Event.Close then myWin.Event.Close(myWin) end |