| 00:49.45 | Noshei | lol seebs you even got a post from dahanese |
| 03:55.18 | seebs | So today I have spent roughly three hours on Weird Noises. |
| 03:55.27 | seebs | Conclusion: One of my power supplies has a fan that makes squeaking noises. |
| 03:55.58 | seebs | The other, when the video card is under load, the video card makes a rattling noise in some way that does not involve fans at all. But other people have reported that with that model of card and some power supplies. |
| 03:56.09 | seebs | My new plan involves putting in a different power supply. |
| 05:12.07 | seebs | ... |
| 05:12.16 | seebs | So the case has a 4-pin molex-type connector for some of the case fans. |
| 05:12.20 | seebs | With two key innovations. |
| 05:12.28 | seebs | First, the pins in it are not firmly attached, and pop out easily. |
| 05:12.37 | seebs | Second, the wires connected to those pins are not marked or color-coded in any way. |
| 05:24.20 | Noshei | lol, gl seebs |
| 05:27.23 | seebs | Well, they go to fans. So I know they care about ground and +12V, and I know which pins of the connector ought to be ground and +12V. |
| 05:29.05 | Ivnedar | oh dear, title of a forum post of "Please remove all mechanics from all expert bosses" |
| 05:29.08 | Ivnedar | this will be a good one |
| 05:30.08 | Ivnedar | lol, last suggestion of "Just give us the daily rewards for free so we dont have to bother running through the same crap each day and being ground into the ground by these awful players." |
| 05:40.08 | Noshei | ZorbaTHut: sent you a pm about a guildie of mine with client crash issues. Would really appreciate it if you or someone else could take a look at the error reports from his account. |
| 05:40.25 | Noshei | I sent you his email address for his account, it you need anything else let me know. |
| 05:43.51 | Ivnedar | I'd find it fascinating if we ever got feedback from the crash reports we send in |
| 05:44.09 | Ivnedar | even if it was pretty vague and just pointed at the general area that caused it |
| 05:44.36 | Ivnedar | Most times it crashes I'm left wondering what caused it while the game reloads |
| 05:45.02 | Noshei | yeah |
| 05:45.13 | Noshei | well for this guy it crashes almost every hour or so |
| 05:45.25 | Ivnedar | with and without addons? |
| 05:45.31 | Noshei | yes |
| 06:33.35 | Ivnedar | mass effect 4?? O_o |
| 06:51.38 | Amadeus- | how? |
| 06:51.41 | Amadeus- | lol |
| 06:52.03 | Amadeus- | Although, I guess they could just reboot/restructure the story -- like Assassin's Creed does |
| 06:52.04 | Amadeus- | lol |
| 06:52.17 | Ivnedar | apparently a private invite pax panel |
| 06:52.26 | Ivnedar | to ask the diehard fans what they wanted next |
| 06:52.58 | Ivnedar | I'm not saying any more here as they'd probably be spoilers, feel free to go look if you want to know :D |
| 06:53.05 | Ivnedar | showing up on a number of gaming sites now |
| 06:53.12 | seebs | yayyy victory. my computer runs now. |
| 06:53.26 | Ivnedar | woo! |
| 06:53.33 | Ivnedar | always a good feeling when it boots :D |
| 06:54.23 | seebs | Boots, and can run Rift without squeaky or rattling noises. |
| 06:54.44 | seebs | Meh. I have to sleep soon, though, because tomorrow is my spouse's cortisone shots. |
| 07:18.36 | Ivnedar | sobs over the newegg trial verdict |
| 07:29.02 | seebs | ? |
| 09:40.53 | Ivnedar | patent troll company tqp claim they hold the patent to using rc4 with ssl |
| 09:41.03 | Ivnedar | to facilitate secure online ecommerce |
| 09:41.21 | Ivnedar | went after all the big online retailers, $45mil in payoffs so far |
| 09:41.27 | Ivnedar | newegg refused to pay, took them to court |
| 09:42.19 | Ivnedar | It's scary that companies exist that do nothing but hold patents and sue people anyone they can convince a court over |
| 09:42.32 | Ivnedar | and that's their income stream |
| 09:44.38 | Ivnedar | newegg had whitfield diffie on their side and still lost :( |
| 09:56.28 | Ivnedar | Microsoft and the like are to blame so much for this |
| 09:56.46 | Ivnedar | they see it as cheaper to just pay them to go away than to fight them in court |
| 09:56.54 | Ivnedar | Microsoft paid them $1mil to go away |
| 10:11.58 | Amadeus- | well, a law is a law is a law ...the courts can't do anything but interpret the law ....if it's flawed that needs to be fixed legislatively |
| 10:12.11 | Amadeus- | Newegg's lawyers overreached |
| 10:12.31 | Amadeus- | there is a reason all those companies paid the bill instead of fighting it ....partly because it was cheaper/easier ..but also partly because the law was on their side |
| 10:12.50 | Amadeus- | the patent holder's side I mean ....not that I think it's right ...but, that's how it probably is |
| 10:13.13 | Amadeus- | ...I'm kindof over newegg anyway ...been moving to amazon for most of my stuff recently |
| 10:13.24 | Amadeus- | more competition amongst vendors |
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| 17:39.55 | Vendan | Third is an odd word |
| 17:40.07 | Vendan | you work on the second half of something |
| 17:40.15 | Vendan | or the fourth quarter |
| 17:40.26 | Vendan | but I'm working on the second third of this addon |
| 18:56.08 | Torhal | Vendan: Could be the third fourth, or the fourth fifth... |
| 18:56.50 | Vendan | well, I'd say third quarter, but I guess it's the same thing past 4 |
| 19:00.20 | Torhal | Vendan: Fourth quintuple? :D |
| 19:00.49 | Vendan | no, cause that's the equiv. of third quadruplet |
| 19:00.59 | Torhal | Hehe |
| 19:01.19 | Vendan | also makes me think octomom, and that's horrifying |
| 19:01.57 | Imhothar | we could just say third tetrett, or second tritett |
| 19:02.08 | Imhothar | make things even more awkward |
| 19:02.43 | Imhothar | heptett? heptett sounds nice |
| 19:03.18 | Vendan | where does the -ett come from? |
| 19:04.06 | Vendan | also, argh rift lua is so similar yet so different from wow |
| 19:04.08 | Imhothar | dunno |
| 19:05.56 | Imhothar | but I like to confuse people using tetragon instead of quad |
| 19:06.14 | Imhothar | or triagon |
| 19:07.10 | Imhothar | hmm would digon count as a line? |
| 19:07.32 | Vendan | only if you define a line as a polygon with 2 sides |
| 19:08.30 | Imhothar | it's a shape with two corners |
| 19:08.31 | Vendan | technically, it's a degenerate polygon in euclidian space |
| 19:09.06 | Vendan | but there are geometric spaces that allow for non-degenerate digon's |
| 19:09.17 | Imhothar | and since a polygon is many-corners it might work |
| 19:09.35 | Imhothar | though lacking any interior angles makes it tricky |
| 19:09.46 | Imhothar | which is another possible translation |
| 19:09.48 | Imhothar | argh |
| 19:10.03 | Vendan | well, it's degenerate |
| 19:10.12 | Vendan | so it's arguable |
| 19:10.24 | Vendan | if you allow degenerate polygons, it's a polygon |
| 19:10.36 | Imhothar | it can only be degenerate if it has more than 2 corners |
| 19:10.55 | Vendan | "In geometry, a digon or 2-gon is a polygon with two sides (edges) and two vertices. It is degenerate in a Euclidean space" |
| 19:10.58 | Imhothar | so, depends on the perspective |
| 19:11.08 | Imhothar | wikipedia lies |
| 19:11.41 | Imhothar | ok, next plan: start calling particles monogons |
| 19:11.48 | Vendan | degeneracy isn't tied to geometry |
| 19:12.24 | Imhothar | damnit they have that too |
| 19:12.29 | Imhothar | blegh |
| 19:12.41 | Imhothar | there goes my creativity |
| 19:13.53 | Imhothar | oh well, I live in a flat universe so no digons for me sadly |
| 19:14.10 | Vendan | ok, back to making a parser for rift saved variable lua files in .net |
| 19:21.45 | Vendan | sweet, now that's working |
| 19:22.03 | Vendan | that moves me on the the final third of my addon |
| 19:41.58 | Repo | New addon: nkPanel - http://www.curseforge.com/addons/nkpanel/ |
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| 21:13.21 | seebs | See, it'd never have occurred to me to do a parser for lua files in .net. |
| 21:13.28 | seebs | Since it's so easy to use lua to generate whatever formats I want. :) |
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| 21:17.20 | Vendan | well, it's the only format you can export from rift without copy-paste |
| 21:17.53 | Vendan | and lua, for all it's greatness as an embedded language, doesn't do so well as a standalone, imho |
| 21:31.54 | seebs | Well, have a look at my DocExporter addon, which has a standalone script that reads the saved variables from the addon and uses them to generate stuff. I found it really convenient to just use Lua for that. |
| 21:36.51 | Vendan | my goal is for a external program that can load the data from the saved variables and upload it to a website |
| 21:37.02 | Vendan | would need to run on average joe's computer |
| 21:37.17 | Vendan | and install from a single file |
| 21:37.35 | Vendan | .NET is better about that then lua, from what I've seen |
| 21:38.08 | Imhothar_ | you can run lua.exe to read in the file and output it in a format .NET can read |
| 21:39.19 | Vendan | or just use my existing code that parses the savedvariable file for the data directly... |
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| 21:39.48 | Imhothar__ | start both from a batch file and the average joe should be able to use it |
| 21:40.26 | Vendan | or, still, start a single program that already knows how to do it and doesn't depend on another entire programming language... |
| 21:42.14 | Vendan | and, having dealt with this while developing similar stuff for WoW, I can say that, "If it requires any interaction more complex then click a single button, it's too complex for 'average joe'" |
| 21:42.18 | Imhothar__ | well, what's easier: run a Lua script in lua.exe that transforms a saved variable file into .json and read that in .NET, or write a functioning Lua frontend |
| 21:42.48 | Imhothar__ | double click "convert.bat" shouldn't be too much to ask |
| 21:42.54 | Vendan | I had guild members that gave me username and password to their account rather then mess around with even installing a program |
| 21:42.59 | Imhothar__ | or even "upload.bat" |
| 21:43.20 | Vendan | and I still don't understand why you don't get this |
| 21:43.29 | Vendan | it works |
| 21:43.30 | Imhothar__ | sure it works |
| 21:43.31 | Vendan | it's in .net and it works completly |
| 21:44.36 | seebs | Fair enough. Although I would warn you, I think we were still finding bugs and edge cases in the serialize code about a year after it shipped. |
| 21:44.41 | Imhothar__ | well if you already have a solution why complain. thought you didn't |
| 21:45.50 | Vendan | well, I complained about 10 minutes before I said "sweet, now that's working" :) |
| 21:46.15 | Imhothar__ | though the Rift saved variables can contain multiple file scope locals to break cycles and reduce table complexity |
| 21:46.22 | Imhothar__ | don't think WoW did that |
| 21:46.48 | Vendan | does a lot of stuff different then WoW |
| 21:47.08 | Vendan | WoW didn't even do multiple variables, it just shoved them all in a table |
| 21:47.20 | seebs | Huh, I didn't know about the file scope locals. |
| 21:47.24 | Imhothar__ | yeah, thanks to Baanano, whose saved variables managed to break the Lua parser's limitations |
| 21:47.38 | Vendan | and yeah, it was a rather dumb serializer too |
| 21:47.53 | Imhothar__ | actually, no it uses _G[1], _G[2] etc |
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| 21:54.07 | seebs | Oh, I am reminded: @ZorbaTHut, did I ever present you with my argument that timestamps of some sort on server-side storage would be of IMMENSE value? |
| 22:25.21 | seebs | *thinks* |
| 22:25.27 | seebs | I just had an idea for a possibly-fun addon. |
| 22:25.35 | seebs | A thing that lets you do dice/card games with friends. |
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| 22:48.07 | Ivnedar | Identity crisis |
| 22:48.17 | Ivnedar | That, or he's chasing his tail :D |
| 23:04.27 | Vendan | woot |
| 23:04.28 | Vendan | http://vendaria.net/Elathiel |
| 23:04.46 | seebs | Hmm. What's this? |
| 23:05.18 | seebs | I seem to recall there have been occasional rumors that someone at Trion was working on a web-accessible or XML-producing API for character info queries, but I think it has fallen by all the waysides at this point. |
| 23:05.39 | Vendan | fully automated chain of character info from addon to a .net program that uploads it to a website |
| 23:05.59 | Vendan | if you refresh, my xp just went up cause I killed something and did a reloadui |
| 23:06.22 | Vendan | can only export when savedvariables exports, i.e. when you logout or do a /reloadui |
| 23:06.28 | seebs | Neat. |
| 23:06.44 | Vendan | did this kinda stuff for wow before it got the armory |
| 23:07.00 | seebs | I think you can get it faster than that if you wanna be sneaky. |
| 23:07.13 | Vendan | possibly |
| 23:07.19 | Ivnedar | hrrm, the new vaults are interesting |
| 23:07.22 | seebs | Pick a channel which gets logged from chat logs, emit special strings to it. |
| 23:07.24 | Ivnedar | nice way to stir up the community |
| 23:07.46 | Vendan | well, then you get those strings in the channel |
| 23:08.03 | Vendan | unless you can log addon-only channels |
| 23:08.38 | seebs | Er, channel's the wrong word. |
| 23:08.40 | Vendan | still, this is enough for now |
| 23:08.48 | seebs | But I believe there's something close to print() which is logged. |
| 23:08.57 | Vendan | need to add exporting achievements and such |
| 23:09.03 | Vendan | and then I have to do the dreaded |
| 23:09.09 | Vendan | and make it look nice on the web |
| 23:10.31 | Vendan | but I'm gone for now |
| 23:10.34 | Vendan | be back tomorrow |
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