| 00:53.19 | Ivnedar_ | roflmao, I'd not looked at the RIFT fineprint before, it's great :D |
| 00:53.28 | Ivnedar_ | Gameplay requires: (1) INTERNET CONNECTION (SOLD SEPARATELY) |
| 01:39.06 | Ivnedar_ | Time to send Greg to remdial python school! |
| 03:34.56 | Ivnedar_ | ZorbaTHut: next extra life, you should join them and do a coding stream :D |
| 03:34.59 | Ivnedar_ | hides |
| 03:35.10 | Ivnedar_ | We're trying to get Greg to do one |
| 03:39.47 | ZorbaTHut | ivnedar, it would, but I wouldn't expect them to get implemented for a while unfortunately |
| 03:49.24 | Ivnedar_ | fair enough |
| 03:49.46 | Ivnedar_ | wasn't sure if someone of them was just a case of gluing existing things into members |
| 03:49.50 | Ivnedar_ | someone=some |
| 03:50.04 | ZorbaTHut | some of them probably are, but it's still a good chunk of time taken to patch it all up |
| 03:50.10 | Ivnedar_ | *nod* |
| 03:50.18 | ZorbaTHut | and getting events rigged up can be anywhere from "easy" to "zomg wtf" |
| 03:50.22 | Ivnedar_ | :D |
| 04:01.46 | Noshei | for some reason I'm not surprised ZorbaTHut |
| 04:02.28 | Noshei | I get the feeling that rift in general as a program is far more complicated in a lot of places than it really needs to be |
| 04:07.41 | Ivnedar_ | lol @ them paying out Greg |
| 04:07.51 | Ivnedar_ | "Congratualtions, that only took you 12 hours to code that" |
| 04:12.25 | Ivnedar_ | http://tny.cz/60960b65 |
| 04:12.28 | Ivnedar_ | he's pasting his code :D |
| 04:13.47 | ZorbaTHut | it has an interesting history. parts of the codebase are far older than you'd expect, and this means there's a whole lot of legacy and a whole lot of design decisions that seemed sensible at the time but in retrospect maybe weren't ideal |
| 04:14.41 | ZorbaTHut | one good example is the particle system, which was a truly wonderful design . . . for a time when hardware particle physics wasn't possible and two CPU cores was considered a luxury |
| 04:15.05 | ZorbaTHut | today it's kind of a drain on the entire game's performance. (that's what I'm working on fixing right now :V) |
| 04:22.46 | Ivnedar_ | roflmao, they just gave their pizza delivery person a hellbug code |
| 04:31.51 | Ivnedar_ | congrats on 50k raised trion! |
| 04:35.55 | Ivnedar_ | anyone in here want the hooty pet code? |
| 04:58.56 | Ivnedar_ | 3:56 hartsman: And this, ladies and gentlemen, is why we don't tell HR that livestreams exist. |
| 04:59.17 | Ivnedar_ | After Dahanese's profanity rant :P |
| 05:05.15 | Ivnedar_ | lol, now Greg's the one swearing |
| 05:07.16 | Ivnedar_ | lol "I think going into a cave at night is the worst idea you've ever had" |
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| 06:26.07 | Repo | gadgets-lifeismystery-unit-frame: Lifeismystery master * 1.6-1-gbdccbd0 (9 files in 2 directories): [+1 commit] 1. Added new template LifeismysteryUnitFrame2 - with big resource bar 2. Added new template LifeismysteryMageFrame - with charge bar for mage 3. Added new template LifeismysteryGroupFrame2 - with big resource bar 4. Added cast bar to all unit frame 5. Changed color level, now it's look like standart frame 6. Changed color name, now it's look like |
| 06:52.40 | Amadeus | ZorbaTHut, you need a super-stud intern that can do all of the addon API stuff for you while you work on important things like the engine. |
| 06:53.29 | Amadeus | I remember at release the whole notion of addons wasn't very popular with Trion (or didn't seem to be from things I heard them say) ...so, I guess we just suffer now from lack of integration from the very beginning. |
| 06:56.06 | Amadeus | I also wonder how much easier it would have been to support addons written as compiled software with headers via an addon SDK. Writing addons in c++ would really be amazing to me. I've never enjoyed python, Ruby, or LUA. (PHP is almost bearable because it reminds me more of C++..haha) |
| 06:56.10 | Amadeus | but, I digress |
| 06:57.06 | Repo | gadgets: Lifeismystery master * v0.5.51-1-g22e744b (40 files in 8 directories): [+1 commit] 1. Added new template LifeUnitFrame1 - with green health 2. Added new template LifeUnitFrame2 - with green health and big resource bar 3. Added new template LifeMageFrame - with charge bar for mage 4. Added new template LifeGroupFrame - with green health 5. Added new template LifeGroupFrame2 - with green health and big resource bar 6. Added new template LifeTargetOf |
| 06:57.17 | Ivnedar_ | you'd lose most of your addon authors if you went with c++ |
| 06:57.58 | Ivnedar_ | needing a build environment outside of the game to do anything would suck |
| 06:58.02 | Ivnedar_ | no more tinkering in game |
| 07:02.04 | Amadeus | Actually, it would be the same |
| 07:02.21 | Ivnedar_ | interpreted c++? |
| 07:02.22 | Amadeus | you'd unload the dll, rebuild it, and then reload. |
| 07:02.36 | Amadeus | now that's crazy talk :) |
| 07:02.38 | Ivnedar_ | I mean /script {code block} |
| 07:02.54 | Ivnedar_ | or addons like luapad where you can try smaller things in game |
| 07:02.57 | Amadeus | It's a pipe dream anyway |
| 07:03.26 | Amadeus | I'm just being silly because I don't really have any projects outside gaming that use interpreted languages like LUA |
| 07:03.32 | Amadeus | so I suck at it ..lol |
| 07:03.56 | Ivnedar_ | I tinkered a little in wow, only really started learning lua in rift |
| 07:04.01 | Amadeus | and, people don't often organize/document as well so it's hard to modify/expand current projects (at least many of the ones I've look through) |
| 07:04.02 | Ivnedar_ | work is sh/python/c |
| 07:04.27 | Amadeus | I actually like python a bit better than LUA or Ruby |
| 07:05.41 | seebs | agh |
| 07:05.43 | seebs | Soooo |
| 07:05.55 | seebs | Today I learned that my mail client synchronizes to an IMAP server. |
| 07:06.34 | seebs | And for instance, if you connected it to a mail server that had gone down and been restored, but you hadn't yet restored all the IMAP files, it would helpfully delete the only remaining copies of all those messages because OF COURSE that is what you want. |
| 07:09.31 | Ivnedar_ | you want pop instead? |
| 07:09.45 | Ivnedar_ | or wait for imap server files to be restored and it'll get them back? |
| 07:19.09 | seebs | The files cannot be restored, the failure was *impressively* catastrophic. |
| 07:20.01 | seebs | Basically, any incoming mail from the last few days never made it to that server, and there's ... additional complications. But basically, I could in theory probably restore the messages up through about October 15th. |
| 07:20.28 | seebs | Except that because of unrelated things, the new system is not necessarily compatible with the old one's imap directories. |
| 07:21.00 | seebs | Soooo. The main thing I want, I think, is for the program not to start with the assumption that, most likely, I want it to silently delete two years of messages without *any indication whatsoever* that it has decided to nuke files. |
| 07:21.32 | seebs | Ideally, I'd like a setting for "never, ever, delete a file locally unless explicitly instructed to". |
| 07:21.43 | Ivnedar_ | Do you have local backups of your cache? |
| 07:22.48 | seebs | Yes, although for *other* reasons, my local backups of the cache are a day or two out of date. |
| 07:23.07 | seebs | But that is probably okay, because the last couple of days of email are all on a different imap server. |
| 07:23.14 | Ivnedar_ | better to lose 1-2 days that 2 years I guess |
| 07:23.23 | Ivnedar_ | that=than |
| 07:24.08 | Ivnedar_ | Does the client have an option to make a local copy of any received mail? |
| 07:24.18 | Ivnedar_ | local filter rule to copy it into another folder locally |
| 07:24.43 | seebs | I don't know. I will be investigating this. |
| 07:27.21 | seebs | Okay, looks like the new imap server started around 3PM on the 30th, and I have a backup of my local mail database as of about 7PM on the 30th, so yes, I should in theory still have all the messages SOMEWHERE. |
| 07:29.30 | Ivnedar_ | dahanese tanking with overloadut healing, dahanese manage to pull a boss while the rest of the group was outside the encounter area |
| 07:29.44 | Ivnedar_ | the boss ran to one of the dps, so tank was inside the area, group was outside the area with the boss :D |
| 07:38.15 | seebs | I wonder whether it was intentional. |
| 07:38.46 | Ivnedar_ | lol, watching tis, I really doubt it |
| 07:39.38 | Ivnedar_ | they don't really do dungeons |
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| 08:46.49 | Repo | New addon: Patronage - http://www.curseforge.com/addons/patronage/ |
| 09:02.19 | Amadeus | ^ mine ...though, as I said in the notes, I just altered one that was already released (with permission) |
| 09:05.33 | Ivnedar_ | :D |
| 09:43.10 | Ivnedar_ | nice :D |
| 09:43.32 | Ivnedar_ | now wait for all the comments/complaints that all echo your comments :P |
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| 12:13.52 | Ivnedar_ | eww, two login bugs tonight due to dst |
| 15:08.45 | Ivnedar_ | hee hee, the CM team sound drunk now |
| 15:08.48 | Ivnedar_ | they're so tired |
| 16:57.38 | Ivnedar_ | grats on 60k Trion! |
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| 18:55.52 | Thorarin | Delays on EU shards are silly still :( |
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| 19:24.11 | IHatePickingNane | Whats going on up in here todat |
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| 19:24.48 | IHatePickingNane | Ello seebs |
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| 20:02.47 | IHatePickingName | Quick question: does the rift api support xml (like the wow apu supports xml for wjndows and framws etc) |
| 20:03.35 | IHatePickingName | Not that i particularly want to use xml, im just curious |
| 20:10.44 | Baanano | no, it doesn't |
| 20:36.27 | IHatePickingName | K . Thanks. |
| 20:37.29 | IHatePickingName | Just a curiousity are yOu the make of bananAH? |
| 20:38.01 | IHatePickingName | Wow, so many typos. Irc chat on a tablet is not a good idea :-/ |
| 20:46.23 | Baanano | yes i am |
| 20:48.05 | IHatePickingName | Thought so. The irc nick was too close to the addon name to not ask if you were |
| 20:49.50 | IHatePickingName | If you were ti guess, how long would say it took you ti get a functioning (but not necessarily complete) version? |
| 20:50.13 | IHatePickingName | Also what other programming languages do you know |
| 20:51.58 | Baanano | a version of what? |
| 20:52.47 | IHatePickingName | BananAH |
| 20:53.49 | Baanano | mmm ~200 hours ? |
| 20:55.45 | IHatePickingName | Sounds fun haha. Is lua the only programming language you know? |
| 20:57.57 | Baanano | no, at work i use C# and PL/SQL mostly |
| 20:59.34 | IHatePickingName | When you first started lua did you find it slightly confusing? I would call myself decently knowledgeable about java....but lua has such strange concepts to me |
| 21:02.58 | Baanano | i guess it depends on your background, it can look a bit different if you come from a C-like syntax language, or a heavy OO one, but Lua is very simple, at least the basics :P |
| 21:06.01 | IHatePickingName | Yea....i love me some objects, and the way to create them in lua is very strange (esp since they are necessarily "real" objects) |
| 21:06.47 | IHatePickingName | Arent necessarily* |
| 21:10.28 | Baanano | the trick is to stop trying to write your preferred language in Lua, and just use what Lua offers :P objects aren't necessary then |
| 21:19.09 | IHatePickingName | Maybe nit necessary but it would make it easier :-) |
| 21:19.57 | Amadeus | Baanano, I actually have a question about your BananAH addon: On the POST window, you can see easily how to refresh the prices just for that one particular item. However, in the search window (i.e., when you want to buy something) I can't seem to find that kind of command/option. |
| 21:20.18 | Amadeus | the only thing I can figure out is either to do a full scan, or search for the individual item in the game's auction window |
| 21:22.13 | Baanano | i don't like how the search tab turned out, i'm redesigning it on the next version :P |
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| 21:24.32 | IHatePickingName | finally |
| 21:24.34 | Amadeus | cool |
| 21:24.37 | IHatePickingName | i got in on the web instead of tablet |
| 21:25.00 | Amadeus | I just think that little 'hourglass' thing in the lower left (for quick refresh of whatever you're searching) would be awesome. |
| 21:27.56 | Baanano | I'm gonna collapse auctions for the same item type on a single row, something like "Coastal glory [12 auctions] starting at 10g14s / unit", then show the detailed list at the bottom, in a grid similar to the ones on the other tabs, which includes the partial refresh button |
| 21:40.58 | IHatePickingName | is it hard to access a windows LeftClick event?? |
| 21:41.08 | IHatePickingName | as a test I am trying: |
| 21:41.09 | IHatePickingName | function window.Event:LeftClick() print(window:GetTitle()); end |
| 21:41.25 | IHatePickingName | and it doest fire the LeftClick() handler |
| 21:43.21 | IHatePickingName | oh, and in case it's too ambiguous, window as a RiftWindow frame |
| 21:45.08 | Baanano | iirc, riftwindow has two subelements, Content and Border (which you can access via window:GetContent() and window:GetBorder()), try attaching your event handler to the Content subelement |
| 21:46.10 | IHatePickingName | or border (if i'm trying to make it movable, in the long run) |
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| 21:50.55 | IHatePickingName | hello noeshei |
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