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| 03:08.48 | Ivnedar_ | 2.5 comes out november 6 |
| 03:08.52 | Ivnedar_ | that is closer than we thought |
| 03:09.03 | Ivnedar_ | patch is called Song of Dreams |
| 03:09.09 | Ivnedar_ | looks pretty water plane based |
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| 04:07.19 | NewDev | anyone home |
| 04:09.56 | Ivnedar_ | yup |
| 04:09.59 | Ivnedar_ | hi :) |
| 04:10.08 | NewDev | Sweet |
| 04:10.15 | NewDev | Mind if i ask a couple questions |
| 04:10.19 | Ivnedar_ | go for it |
| 04:11.01 | NewDev | First a brief background: I like to think I'm a decent dev and can do research. I'm going to school for web/software dev, so i'm not a stranger to APIs and what not |
| 04:11.21 | NewDev | I'm playing around with Rift addons for fun and to learn lua. |
| 04:12.17 | NewDev | Qustion 1: i'm currently playing around with inspectors, specifically inventory inspectors. I cant quite figure out how to get some results I want. I got the results I wanted when I did equipment inspectors |
| 04:12.41 | NewDev | How do I translate from a bag slot such as si01.001 to an item name |
| 04:13.17 | Ivnedar_ | Inspect.Item.Detail('si01.001') |
| 04:13.31 | Ivnedar_ | will return a table for the item in that slot |
| 04:13.46 | Ivnedar_ | .name member of that table will have its name in it |
| 04:13.50 | NewDev | I try that and I get a nil from my print function |
| 04:14.32 | Ivnedar_ | and there's something in that slot? |
| 04:14.43 | NewDev | correct |
| 04:14.49 | NewDev | Just to be sure though |
| 04:15.05 | NewDev | si01.001 will be the top left corner of the regular backpack, correct? |
| 04:15.20 | Ivnedar_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:15.46 | NewDev | That returned results |
| 04:16.17 | Ivnedar_ | so how are you using what comes back from it? |
| 04:16.38 | NewDev | In my lua file I have itemDetail = Inspect.Item.Detail('si01.001'); |
| 04:16.44 | NewDev | then print(itemDetail) |
| 04:17.00 | Ivnedar_ | ah, itemDetail is a table, not a string |
| 04:17.12 | Ivnedar_ | print(itemDetail.name) if you want its name |
| 04:18.51 | NewDev | So I should still have the itemDetail = Inspect.Item.Detail('si01.001') |
| 04:18.56 | Ivnedar_ | yup |
| 04:19.00 | NewDev | then print(itemDetail.name)? |
| 04:19.04 | Ivnedar_ | yeah |
| 04:19.37 | NewDev | That will error out (from experience) since itemDetail is returning nil |
| 04:20.21 | Ivnedar_ | if itemDetail ~= nil then |
| 04:20.26 | Ivnedar_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:20.29 | Ivnedar_ | end |
| 04:21.07 | NewDev | but yet, it shouldn't return nil since there is an item in si01.001? ha |
| 04:21.17 | Ivnedar_ | correct |
| 04:21.25 | NewDev | but, it is |
| 04:21.43 | Ivnedar_ | but you dumped out the result earlier and it had content you said? |
| 04:21.51 | NewDev | correct |
| 04:22.12 | Ivnedar_ | and you're consistently using itemDetail? no typos? |
| 04:22.42 | NewDev | yep |
| 04:23.35 | NewDev | even when i type print(Inspect.Item.Detail('si01.001')); it returns nil |
| 04:23.56 | Ivnedar_ | you're trying to print out a table though, not a string |
| 04:24.32 | NewDev | true, but if it's a table it will at least show up table : xxxxxxx indicating not nil |
| 04:24.58 | Ivnedar_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:25.03 | Ivnedar_ | that gives an error? |
| 04:25.29 | NewDev | now, he's something interesting.... when I do "print(Inspect.Item.Detail('si01.001'));" in the lua file, it returns nil |
| 04:25.38 | NewDev | when I do it with the /script command it returns a table |
| 04:25.59 | Ivnedar_ | when are you running it from the script? |
| 04:26.03 | Ivnedar_ | as part of a slash command? |
| 04:26.09 | Ivnedar_ | or at startup? |
| 04:26.30 | Ivnedar_ | 'cause if you're doing it at start up before your inventory is available, then every slot will be nil |
| 04:26.40 | NewDev | running from script @ startup. |
| 04:26.47 | NewDev | should i try tying it to an even? |
| 04:26.58 | NewDev | event* |
| 04:27.06 | Ivnedar_ | yeah |
| 04:27.09 | NewDev | if thats the case...i'm gonna be so frustrated with myself lol |
| 04:27.53 | Ivnedar_ | I imagine Event.Item.Slot will fire for every slot at startup as its content becomes available |
| 04:28.12 | NewDev | facepalm |
| 04:28.22 | NewDev | that fixed it /embarrassed |
| 04:29.14 | NewDev | thank you so much for helping. I bow to you :) |
| 04:29.25 | Ivnedar_ | Question 1 solved, now for Question 2? :D |
| 04:29.31 | NewDev | haha |
| 04:30.03 | NewDev | So, if i do a /script Inspect.Cursor() and have a stackable item under the cursor, it returns a long number...which i expect |
| 04:30.26 | NewDev | now, if i split the stack and do another /script inspect.Cursor() it returns a different number |
| 04:30.38 | NewDev | why is this (this quesiton is more of one of curiousity) |
| 04:30.52 | Ivnedar_ | it'll be an item identifier, unique identifier for that item object |
| 04:31.35 | Ivnedar_ | splitting a stack will make a new object |
| 04:32.05 | NewDev | So are there any identifiers out there that are global for each item (not object...but each item)? |
| 04:32.29 | Ivnedar_ | nope |
| 04:33.19 | NewDev | that kind of stinks. But i guess you really could just use the name as an identifier since Trion wouldn't have multiple names for different items |
| 04:33.25 | Ivnedar_ | so if you had an item on its own, then drag another item onto it to stack it, the second object is destroyed and the first object is updated so its .stack count goes up |
| 04:33.34 | Ivnedar_ | items have an itemtype |
| 04:33.43 | Ivnedar_ | that's unique for that type of object, not that instance of it |
| 04:33.49 | Ivnedar_ | and remains the same across sessions etc |
| 04:35.09 | NewDev | I was just thinking in terms of databases in a way. in this case the item name (i.e. flickering powder) can be a primary key because it's 99.9% guaranteed to be unique |
| 04:35.37 | Ivnedar_ | There may be 100 items, all with the same name, but different stats |
| 04:35.46 | NewDev | which brings another question up, is it acceptable to connect to a database with addons? |
| 04:35.47 | Ivnedar_ | eg. an item crafted with different levels of the same type of augment |
| 04:35.53 | Ivnedar_ | you won't be able to |
| 04:36.04 | Ivnedar_ | the addons live in an isolated sandbox |
| 04:36.25 | NewDev | lua limitation or API limitation? |
| 04:36.30 | Ivnedar_ | api limitation |
| 04:36.43 | Ivnedar_ | you can build a data file and load that in as a dataset at addon load time |
| 04:36.51 | Ivnedar_ | but there's no direct interaction with external things |
| 04:37.47 | NewDev | i would imagine there's a slight work around to that. for example making the data file structure strict and then a non-Rift application parsing and sending to a DB |
| 04:38.15 | NewDev | just spitballing off the top of my head here, though |
| 04:38.48 | Ivnedar_ | hrrm? |
| 04:39.53 | Ivnedar_ | you can save data to saved variable files and then have 3rd party tools read and process those, that works fine |
| 04:39.56 | NewDev | you mentioned building a datafile. Well with that datafile you could parse in a separate program (written in java, or C++, etc) which would connect to the Database |
| 04:40.02 | Ivnedar_ | sure |
| 04:40.06 | NewDev | Yea, thats what i was getting at :) |
| 04:41.23 | Ivnedar_ | ftp://ftp.trionworlds.com/rift/data/ |
| 04:41.36 | Ivnedar_ | Trion publish discovery data there if you wanted to do anything with things on that scale |
| 04:41.46 | NewDev | whats the discovery data? |
| 04:42.15 | Ivnedar_ | every item found, quest completed, npc killed, artifact collection completed, recipe learnt, achievement completed |
| 04:42.21 | Ivnedar_ | all show up there in massive xml files |
| 04:42.27 | NewDev | wow, that's insane haha |
| 04:42.30 | Ivnedar_ | updated each reset |
| 04:42.58 | NewDev | thats amazing, downloading that now |
| 04:43.16 | Ivnedar_ | so if you wanted to build up an item database, you could process the Items.xml file, put it into a lua table format containing the info you wanted, and that'll be available to you in game |
| 04:43.42 | NewDev | That would be really handy |
| 04:44.05 | Ivnedar_ | even if you're just keeping track of itemtypes and item names and retrieving the rest of the detail in game by an Inspect.Item.Detail(itemtype) |
| 04:44.26 | NewDev | My long term goal for an addon is for the auction house. Id like to keep record of transactions made with details such as server sold on, maybe seller, maybe buyer, the price at which it sold for |
| 04:44.32 | Ivnedar_ | the Items.xml file is currently 700mb btw :P |
| 04:44.59 | Ivnedar_ | Have you looked at Bananah? |
| 04:45.15 | Ivnedar_ | Baanano's AH addon that most people use for similar purposes |
| 04:45.23 | NewDev | When I played WoW, i longed for an addon that would do that. But I think blizzard has something in their ToS or Eula about connecting to internet through addons |
| 04:45.26 | NewDev | i haven't |
| 04:45.50 | NewDev | I will have to check that one out. I briefly looked at the description and pictures earlier, but didn't do it in detail |
| 04:45.54 | Ivnedar_ | http://www.curse.com/addons/rift/bananah |
| 04:46.59 | Ivnedar_ | You could probably write something that processed BananAH's history tables if you wanted to do something like that |
| 04:47.09 | NewDev | very nice. Still missing that database feature though (that if people wanted to they could go to a web page and search) |
| 04:47.27 | NewDev | That could work, I will definitely have to check that out :) |
| 04:47.41 | Ivnedar_ | You could scrape the AH on each shard several times a day and upload details like that |
| 04:47.57 | Ivnedar_ | but you'll miss out on any items that sold in between |
| 04:48.17 | NewDev | right. |
| 04:48.33 | Ivnedar_ | hrrm, wouldn't see sale history either, you'd have to have everyone running your addon and have it monitor mailbox |
| 04:48.47 | NewDev | Another problem I've come up with in my idea is that it's very much dependent on users |
| 04:48.51 | NewDev | correct |
| 04:48.53 | Ivnedar_ | yup |
| 04:49.34 | NewDev | I dont see it as impossible right now....but definitely not easy ha :) |
| 04:50.38 | NewDev | Is the rift API reletively new and always being added to? The only reason i ask is because the wiki has a lot of blank pages/red links ATM |
| 04:50.41 | Ivnedar_ | and if you see it as a learning experience, it works either way :) |
| 04:50.47 | NewDev | absolutely! |
| 04:50.58 | Ivnedar_ | It does get new stuff added to it over time |
| 04:51.06 | NewDev | the best way to learn is to have a dream and goals |
| 04:51.26 | Ivnedar_ | ZorbaTHut's the one who does that, but is tasked with all the performance improvement stuff with Rift at the moment, so doesn't get as much time as we'd like to look at API stuff |
| 04:51.35 | Ivnedar_ | Canvas frame type was added recently |
| 04:51.58 | NewDev | what does the canvas do? |
| 04:52.11 | Ivnedar_ | Grab seebs' DocExpert tool if you want to grab the latest documentation |
| 04:52.19 | Ivnedar_ | all the api documentation is available in game |
| 04:52.54 | Ivnedar_ | Canvas frame allows for arbitrary polygon/stroke objects with fills of gradients, solid, texture, etc and matrix transformations applied to it |
| 04:53.26 | Ivnedar_ | http://www.riftui.com/downloads/info192-DocExport.html |
| 04:53.29 | Ivnedar_ | that's DocExport |
| 04:53.41 | NewDev | ah yes, i just tried to search for it and din't find it ha |
| 04:53.43 | Ivnedar_ | and it ends up making a html document set like the one seebs has at http://www.seebs.net/rift/live/ |
| 04:54.00 | Ivnedar_ | seebs' one isn't up to date, so if you work out how to make your own, you can update it whenever you need :) |
| 04:54.17 | Ivnedar_ | I just keep a generated copy locally that I can read through as needed |
| 04:54.56 | NewDev | the docexport will generate a local html file? |
| 04:55.24 | NewDev | oh man, i'm learning so much. Kinda geeking out. :) |
| 04:55.29 | Ivnedar_ | docexport is the in game addon part of it that'll generate a lua saved variable bit |
| 04:55.50 | Ivnedar_ | there's a tool that you run after that to generate the html part |
| 04:57.07 | NewDev | i'll have to download the lua src / binary |
| 05:00.18 | NewDev | So whats your background in programming |
| 05:01.16 | Ivnedar_ | unix sysadmin, so I learn what I need to as I need it :P |
| 05:02.01 | NewDev | haha must be fun....but yet stressful :-\ . |
| 05:05.42 | Ivnedar_ | oh, if you're playing with Items.xml and don't care about who got the shard firsts for them, and you're on a *nix system |
| 05:05.46 | Ivnedar_ | sed '/\<FirstLootedBy/,/\/FirstLootedBy\>/d' Items.xml > Items2.xml |
| 05:05.56 | Ivnedar_ | drops the file from 700mb to 110mb :P |
| 05:06.05 | Ivnedar_ | much quicker to do more detailed processing later |
| 05:07.36 | NewDev | windows here :( |
| 05:13.22 | NewDev | well sir, its late and i need to go to bed. Thank you VERY much for your help. It is much appreciated. I'm sure i'll be back, this is a fun place :) |
| 05:15.22 | Ivnedar_ | no worries, nite :) |
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| 07:17.07 | Repo | king-molinator: kekoas * r756 (5 files in 2 directories): (756) 1.5.3 Release |
| 07:24.33 | Ivnedar_ | hrrm, interesting, more grpahic glitches since that update |
| 07:38.20 | Thorarin | Hmm, not really more glitches here... but for the first time in a LONG time, Conquest was almost unplayable for me |
| 07:38.38 | Thorarin | Like 6 FPS or less in big fights, normally don't have that |
| 07:39.15 | ZorbaTHut | part of it is that we've received a rather nice player boost thanks to reintroduction to Steam and a few promotional things |
| 07:39.16 | Ivnedar_ | I was standing in TB watching the port flicker in and out of existance and black lines flicker around the place |
| 07:39.34 | ZorbaTHut | ivnedar, huh, that's a new one. I don't think any changes went in to the particle system |
| 07:39.38 | Thorarin | Doubt those new players are in CQ yet :) |
| 07:39.46 | Ivnedar_ | odd |
| 07:39.55 | Ivnedar_ | ported to dendrome and things look ok here at least |
| 07:39.58 | ZorbaTHut | thorarin, you'd be surprised, it brings a lot of old players back too :) |
| 07:40.31 | Thorarin | Never seen the black lines, but I've seen the portal disappear before this patch |
| 07:41.20 | ZorbaTHut | the good news is once I've made another attempt at squashing a flickering-ground-clutter bug, I'll go back to trying to fix up the particle system :V (which is a major source of slowdown) |
| 07:41.29 | Thorarin | But I haven't been to the places that usually bug out for me yet |
| 07:41.46 | Thorarin | In GA I need to almost always relog when we get to first boss |
| 07:42.00 | Thorarin | Floor always flickers there :( |
| 07:42.21 | Ivnedar_ | do you get the effect where there's a big red wall before the first boss? |
| 07:42.30 | Ivnedar_ | and you move the camera and it goes away |
| 07:42.31 | Thorarin | No.. |
| 07:42.48 | Thorarin | Just blue nothingness below the ground |
| 07:43.03 | Ivnedar_ | I get that when the lava disappears on the way to the first boss |
| 07:43.36 | Thorarin | Had some sort of disappearing lava, but not like that |
| 07:43.36 | ZorbaTHut | there's a fix coming in the next patch that may help with floors and ceilings and other huge chunks of geometry vanishing |
| 07:43.48 | ZorbaTHut | (somewhat ironic that it caused only the largest pieces of geometry to vanish, but such is life) |
| 07:46.04 | Ivnedar_ | Have you found what causes animated items to invert? |
| 07:46.11 | Ivnedar_ | likes walls and the death pod things in morban |
| 07:46.25 | Thorarin | That one is funny :) |
| 07:46.43 | ZorbaTHut | honestly, given that almost nobody is complaining about it, it's mostly been backburnered |
| 07:46.49 | Ivnedar_ | fair enough |
| 07:46.58 | ZorbaTHut | so, uh, remind me about it at some point, or if it makes the game actually unplayable let me know |
| 07:47.09 | Ivnedar_ | people know to relog if it happens |
| 07:47.13 | Ivnedar_ | so no big deal I guess |
| 07:47.32 | ZorbaTHut | I'm unfortunately digging through many year old code which was in dubious shape when it was written - there's a lot of cruft to deal with :/ |
| 07:47.43 | Thorarin | Sometimes the circle thing at Forgelord Helix looks really weird :) |
| 07:47.46 | Ivnedar_ | Was any of it yours? |
| 07:48.02 | Thorarin | And the Matriarch room as well :) |
| 07:48.02 | Ivnedar_ | I had the 'pleasure' of revisiting some code I wrote 10+ years ago |
| 07:48.04 | Ivnedar_ | man I sucked |
| 07:48.10 | Ivnedar_ | (more than I do now) |
| 07:48.23 | ZorbaTHut | nope! I wasn't even working at Trion back then ;) |
| 07:48.48 | ZorbaTHut | and none of the people who wrote that code are still working at Trion, which can make it an adventure to figure out what's going on |
| 07:48.57 | Ivnedar_ | wow |
| 07:49.17 | Ivnedar_ | pre-release code I assume |
| 07:49.21 | ZorbaTHut | so far I've found three data structures with "Thread" in the name that have nothing to do with threads, and one data structure with "List" in the name that is *definitely* not a list. I can sort of see the logic behind the names, but . . . they are not names I would have chosen. So it goes. |
| 07:49.30 | Ivnedar_ | Or did you join after launch? |
| 07:49.45 | ZorbaTHut | yep, very much so. A good chunk of it predates the name Rift used to have before it had the name Rift used to have before it was named Rift.. |
| 07:49.55 | ZorbaTHut | I joined right before beta |
| 07:51.18 | ZorbaTHut | http://massively.joystiq.com/2010/04/26/trion-names-upcoming-mmorts-renames-heroes/ here's a fun news story that hints at some of Rift's history :V |
| 07:52.04 | Ivnedar_ | Ah yes, Heroes of Telara! |
| 07:52.38 | Ivnedar_ | oh wow, they were talking about Defiance back then |
| 07:52.48 | ZorbaTHut | to this day, the Rift client's project name is "hot_client". History. |
| 07:53.07 | Thorarin | :) |
| 07:55.33 | Ivnedar_ | oh wow |
| 07:56.07 | Ivnedar_ | if you make a hotclient.cfg file and put [TokenVendor]\nDisable = True in it, the shop is disabled? |
| 07:56.42 | Ivnedar_ | I wonder what else can be tweaked in there! |
| 07:56.54 | ZorbaTHut | Huh. I could believe it. We've got a bunch of undocumented config options that were originally intended for debugging. |
| 07:57.19 | Ivnedar_ | apparently support told someone that's how they can disable the shop icon in game to make it harder to accidently purchase things |
| 07:57.33 | ZorbaTHut | and sometimes for legacy reasons - there's still an option to "disable" multipass rendering, even though it's completely ignored |
| 07:57.45 | ZorbaTHut | (might be reintroduced at some point though) |
| 08:00.26 | Ivnedar_ | roflmao |
| 08:00.27 | Ivnedar_ | it works |
| 08:01.00 | Ivnedar_ | but the amusing bit is, the round box around it shrinks back to the menu icon, but the yellow glow around the shop icon that shows you have something to collect is still there :D |
| 08:02.00 | ZorbaTHut | hah |
| 08:02.18 | Ivnedar_ | logs it as a bug! |
| 08:02.34 | ZorbaTHut | "bug fixed, undocumented config option removed" |
| 08:02.37 | Ivnedar_ | "If I use an undocumented and unsupported feature, weird things happen" |
| 08:03.20 | Ivnedar_ | I wonder if there's an undocumented way to dump the undocumented documentation! |
| 08:03.41 | ZorbaTHut | that was actually a bit of a joke with me and QA while I was fixing the multipass rendering bug. "bug report: visual issues when multipass rendering is disabled" "bug fixed, multipass rendering can no longer be disabled" |
| 08:03.49 | Ivnedar_ | :D |
| 08:04.04 | ZorbaTHut | "bug report: checkbox to disable multipass rendering has no effect" "bug fixed, checkbox removed" |
| 08:04.28 | ZorbaTHut | so yeah still need to fix that one :P |
| 08:04.29 | Ivnedar_ | "bug fixed, checkbox now sparkles when clicked" |
| 08:06.03 | Ivnedar_ | I've stopped telling people to not buy the twisted artifact tracking vials :P |
| 08:06.44 | Ivnedar_ | I figure their functionality being available by using omen sight while you have the normal artifact vial up isn't intentional |
| 08:06.55 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, probably isn't |
| 08:07.09 | Ivnedar_ | Reported it ages ago, no change |
| 08:07.26 | Ivnedar_ | Seems wrong though if people spend credits on them for no reason at this point |
| 08:07.43 | Ivnedar_ | the way they implemented the twisted vials was as a type of omen sight |
| 08:07.46 | Ivnedar_ | that also tracked |
| 08:08.00 | Ivnedar_ | so if you have tracking and omen sight on, it tracks twisted ones too ... |
| 08:12.34 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, easy to believe |
| 08:13.08 | Ivnedar_ | probably done to head off complaints about popping the 15 minute tracking vial and forgetting to put on omen sight to collect them |
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| 11:08.31 | Ivnedar_ | Damn, login bug is still there :( |
| 11:09.19 | Ivnedar_ | Hrrm, addons can't disable the logout/exit ui can it? |
| 11:13.03 | Ivnedar_ | s/it/they/ |
| 11:13.10 | Ivnedar_ | facepalms |
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| 18:42.26 | Thorarin | Login bug? |
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| 22:31.29 | Ivnedar_ | Thorarin: yeah, for the ~30 mins after each reset, if you log out, you won't get back in |
| 22:47.02 | Thorarin | Oh that |
| 22:48.21 | Ivnedar_ | which is right in the middle of our raid times each night :) |
| 22:49.29 | Ivnedar_ | bit sucky when a dps gets locked out, really sucky when heals or tank gets locked out |
| 22:56.44 | Thorarin | Yeah can imagine... Luckily in EU timezones are not that spread |
| 22:56.58 | Thorarin | Not many late night raiding guilds exist either |
| 22:57.19 | Thorarin | I think maybe 1 or 2 guilds on server raid around 11pm server time |
| 23:06.51 | Thorarin | Lots of Russian guilds now, they probably raid quite early, rather than late |