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| 01:24.53 | ZorbaBeta | yeah, antialiasing the edges of textures is a persisting problem in graphics |
| 01:29.21 | seebs | Yeah. Just adding a little space around them seems to mostly work, although it is very hard to then come up with UV coordinate values that are reasonable, because they're not going to be representable in floating point. But they can be Close Enough. |
| 01:29.52 | ZorbaBeta | in theory you could probably do something more clever in shader code, if you have access to that, which you may or may not |
| 01:30.22 | seebs | I sort of do. |
| 01:30.55 | seebs | I'm doing stuff in moai, which is lua-on-top-of-C++, so I can get at the OpenGL code if I want, but I mostly try to avoid needing to. |
| 01:32.09 | seebs | I also dislike that GL_LINE_STRIP isn't really usable for my purposes because I want to specify a width other than 1, and that produces aliasing effects as lines cross 45-degree-angles. Stupid GL lines. |
| 01:33.09 | ZorbaBeta | yeah gl lines are pretty crummy |
| 01:33.46 | seebs | I suppose I could try to compute a triangle fan for these instead, but that seems like extra work. |
| 01:34.00 | ZorbaBeta | at this point pretty much everyone has settled on GL_TRIANGLE_LIST as being the One True GL Primitive |
| 01:34.45 | ZorbaBeta | that might be the wrong define name, now I can't remember which it is |
| 01:34.48 | seebs | I would face computational problems; I'm in non-JIT lua, and I would have to compute six points per line instead of one. |
| 01:35.21 | ZorbaBeta | ah, GL_TRIANGLES |
| 01:35.28 | ZorbaBeta | yeah, that can be kinda tricky :/ |
| 01:35.34 | seebs | I'm trying to render a few thousand things per frame, smoothly, on mobile devices. I probably can't do interpreted-code computations of the two triangles for each line segment. |
| 01:35.56 | ZorbaBeta | I'd personally be a bit leery of using GL_LINE_STRIP, to be honest - support might be spotty |
| 01:36.40 | seebs | It's worked on the handful of things I've tried, anyway. |
| 01:36.55 | seebs | If I get bitten by, say, trying to run on Android or something, I can try to hack something up later. |
| 01:37.04 | ZorbaBeta | fair enough |
| 01:37.35 | seebs | I could make a thing which, say, converts a Lua table of points to triangles with a given width, and does it in C++ so it's at least not AS horrible performance-wise. |
| 01:40.25 | ZorbaBeta | okay, Rust has officially got my attention |
| 01:41.11 | ZorbaBeta | first language I've seen that seriously attempts to tackle the high-performance C/C++ space, without starting by saying "first, pretend you don't care about performance" |
| 01:50.49 | seebs | Interesting! |
| 01:52.43 | ZorbaBeta | and I *love* their approach to private members - they've completely done away with class-level privacy and have only module-level privacy. which IMHO is the right way to do things |
| 01:52.58 | seebs | I still tend to think of C++ as the large/bloated/slow thing you use when you need some of its maintenance-friendly tools but want to still be SORT of fast. |
| 01:53.01 | ZorbaBeta | (of course if you want each class to be its own module, go for it) |
| 01:55.17 | seebs | Huh. Occurs to me, years ago I was fussing because none of the LPmud-derived things, or similar programmable muds, had commerce-friendly open licenses. Occurs to me you could do a pretty good lua-based mud. |
| 01:58.01 | seebs | One of my friends has a hard time with *all* the curly-braced languages because her code-to-what-happens translation requires that symbols have unique and consistent meanings. |
| 01:58.15 | seebs | So it's not okay that { could be part of any of several control constructs or a variable declaration. |
| 01:58.49 | ZorbaBeta | she must hate the & character in C++ |
| 01:59.15 | seebs | I don't think she's even *tried* C++. |
| 01:59.28 | ZorbaBeta | that's probably for the best, really |
| 01:59.40 | ZorbaBeta | there's a lot of things I like about C++ but it really does have a tendency to re-use syntax and keywords in weird places |
| 01:59.43 | seebs | But she has problems with things like "end" being used for more than one control structure. |
| 01:59.51 | seebs | So basically, she likes forth. |
| 02:00.06 | ZorbaBeta | yeah that's really going to limit the language options :/ |
| 02:00.19 | seebs | She can handle them somewhat, but tends to dislike them. |
| 02:00.31 | ZorbaBeta | *nod* |
| 02:00.56 | ZorbaBeta | Rust is kind of weird because it seems to borrow from a bunch of other languages. feels like it's part C++, part Actionscript of all things, and part we-invented-this-new-syntax-I-hope-you-like-it |
| 02:01.03 | seebs | Yeah, and a little rubyish. |
| 02:01.09 | ZorbaBeta | yeah |
| 02:01.16 | seebs | the x = if (c1) { value } else { value2 } thing. |
| 02:01.22 | seebs | Although the semicolons discarding values is new. |
| 02:01.30 | ZorbaBeta | I'm hoping they keep doing work on it, it seems promising |
| 02:03.32 | seebs | Ever use Icon? |
| 02:03.38 | ZorbaBeta | no, interesting? |
| 02:03.40 | seebs | It's my favorite "how the heck do you use this?!?" language. |
| 02:03.47 | seebs | It has backtracking. |
| 02:04.07 | seebs | So... |
| 02:04.07 | seebs | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:04.09 | seebs | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:04.31 | seebs | That's the entire logic for an iterative 8-queens solution in icon (after the setup). |
| 02:04.36 | ZorbaBeta | okay that's just wacky |
| 02:04.44 | seebs | Because <- is an assignment operator which can be undone if a later operation fails. |
| 02:05.42 | seebs | Also, it has a swap operator. Which is just a nice convenience. |
| 02:06.09 | seebs | Haha. http://infohost.nmt.edu/tcc/help/lang/icon/backtrack.html <-- one of the canonical posts about this was a response to a question I asked in 1996. |
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| 02:07.00 | seebs | The example of a thing which generates all the permutations of a list is sort of spooky. |
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| 09:11.42 | Repo | gadgets-lifeismystery-unit-frame: Lifeismystery master * 1.3-1-g270aa97 (5 files in 3 directories): [+1 commit] Add new templete LifeismysteryGroupFrame Some changes LifeismysteryUnitFrame (you need change unit frame size when you downloaad update) Fix borderTarget in LifeismysteryRaidFrame Change ReadyCheck icon |
| 09:15.19 | Ivnedar | hey seebs, you got a mention in the latest wall of cross shard rage |
| 09:26.34 | Repo | gadgets: Lifeismystery master * v0.5.3-1-g9efe160 (4 files in 2 directories): [+1 commit] Change RangeFinder: Add options Small Font, Change font color. Change XPBar: Fixed bug with wrong illustration reputation bar when text off. Add options: Change bar color, Change bar Texture, Change background bar in Transparent background. |
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| 13:15.38 | Repo | nkrebuff: naifu * r247 (3 files in 2 directories): small fix for grids due to EnKai update 1.2.8 |
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| 13:25.06 | Ivnedar | Any reason why the pts client doesn't copy in the content from live it needs? |
| 13:25.11 | Ivnedar | instead of downloading the whole thing? |
| 14:16.59 | Ivnedar | lol, wife keeps getting lockbox keys in her lockboxes after she unlocks them :D |
| 15:22.04 | ZorbaBeta | ivnedar, time and effort |
| 15:35.46 | Ivnedar | fair enough, wasn't sure if there was some reason behind it making it too hard to do |
| 15:36.20 | Ivnedar | Was showing another guildie how to copy the live asset files in after kicking off the pts patcher and stopping it |
| 15:38.11 | Ivnedar | Finding the live client might be the hardest bit for it |
| 15:38.26 | ZorbaBeta | yeah, I think it's just trying to budget time, really. we *could* add an entire new UI path and copying routine . . . or we could spend that time on something else :V |
| 15:39.41 | Ivnedar | aha, riftpatch.cfg points to the patcher exe, which "should" be in the same place as the live client |
| 15:40.58 | Ivnedar | Have you had much time for orthos lately? |
| 15:41.10 | ZorbaBeta | not much time, and also unsure how to proceed. I may be mothballing orthos |
| 15:41.18 | ZorbaBeta | the ideas I had for how to make combat fun haven't panned out, unfortunately |
| 15:41.23 | Ivnedar | d'oh :( |
| 15:41.27 | ZorbaBeta | so it goes |
| 15:41.40 | ZorbaBeta | lesson learned: prototype every combat system first :V |
| 15:41.47 | Ivnedar | onto the next idea when you find time? |
| 15:41.56 | ZorbaBeta | I may be starting work on fleshing out Robert Recurring, which I already know is fun. or put more time into augmenting Frame |
| 15:41.58 | ZorbaBeta | yep :) |
| 15:42.18 | ZorbaBeta | although that may take a bit since I'm working on two museum exhibits at the same time right now (prototype mockups: http://cams.pavlovian.net/dgm/2013furcon/ ) |
| 15:44.19 | Ivnedar | permanent fixtures or conferences? |
| 15:44.33 | ZorbaBeta | conferences |
| 15:45.01 | ZorbaBeta | sadly, we don't really have access to enough space to do a permanent fixture |
| 15:46.58 | Ivnedar | are the exhibits interactive? |
| 15:47.21 | ZorbaBeta | always :) except in very rare cases, we make sure all our exhibits are interactive |
| 15:47.49 | Ivnedar | I was flip flopping between "It has to be!" and "But some of the gear wouldn't be replaceable" |
| 15:47.57 | ZorbaBeta | in this case we're going to have playable Kung-Fu for the NES, River City Ransom (also NES), Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles (also NES :P), and Scott Pilgrim vs the World (xbox 360, probably) |
| 15:48.05 | ZorbaBeta | yeah, we have to pick things that we're not super-concerned about |
| 15:48.08 | ZorbaBeta | like, we have a Vectrex |
| 15:48.15 | ZorbaBeta | it will never be played except to verify it still works |
| 15:48.32 | ZorbaBeta | we keep separate archive-collections and working-collections for exactly this purpose |
| 15:52.16 | Ivnedar | I've played a console that looked a lot like a vectrex back in primary school |
| 15:52.40 | Ivnedar | monochrome vector screen, built in asteroids type game |
| 15:52.48 | ZorbaBeta | huh, interesting. might've been a vectrex |
| 15:53.00 | ZorbaBeta | it's the only personal console with a vector screen ever produced |
| 15:53.12 | ZorbaBeta | they're >$500 in working order today :V |
| 15:53.33 | TinnerKB | Ive been around long enough to watch ti994/A, vic and timex sinclaire come out but never heard of a vectrex |
| 15:53.37 | Ivnedar | this would have been early 90s at the latest |
| 15:54.10 | ZorbaBeta | vectrex was early 80s, but it's not uncommon for schools to have ancient hardware sitting around |
| 15:54.11 | Ivnedar | The vectrex name doesn't ring any bells, but I just looked at a picture of it and it was very familiar, and the description of it matched what I remembered |
| 15:54.44 | Ivnedar | this was a friend who had all sorts of gaming things, powerglove, some remote controlled robotic arm |
| 15:54.48 | Ivnedar | *thinks what else was on that desk* |
| 15:55.43 | TinnerKB | I graduated highschool in 85, guess that one never came local to us |
| 15:55.55 | Ivnedar | I don't remember the controller at all, just the screen and graphics of minestorm |
| 15:56.24 | Ivnedar | I wonder if they were sold at all in Australia, or if there was a similar product |
| 15:56.57 | Ivnedar | I don't remember the colour disks at all |
| 15:57.26 | Ivnedar | impressive that they were doing 3d graphics back then though |
| 16:01.03 | Ivnedar | did it have a grid display when it was starting up? |
| 16:05.06 | ZorbaBeta | hmm. I'm actually not sure |
| 16:05.14 | Ivnedar | trying to find videos |
| 16:05.15 | ZorbaBeta | I only saw it being played once, when we were testing to see if it worked :V |
| 16:06.32 | Ivnedar | ok, pretty sure this isn't what I played |
| 16:06.35 | Ivnedar | found a video |
| 16:07.55 | Ivnedar | yeah, definitely not, sad :) |
| 16:17.50 | Ivnedar | oh wow, it's after 3am, I should sleep, nite :) |
| 16:17.57 | ZorbaBeta | 'nite :) |
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| 17:32.03 | seebs | "hey seebs, you got a mention in the latest wall of cross shard rage" <-- ? |
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| 18:46.27 | TinnerKB | RiftButton:SetSkinTable( {name, texture_a, texture_b} ) would be nice :) |
| 19:09.05 | TinnerKB | What cause RiftButtons to appear half height at times? I have even SetHeight thinking that would fix it but it doesnt |
| 19:10.38 | Baanano | maybe having the cursor on them when they're created |
| 19:11.17 | TinnerKB | Hmm dont think so. I have a texture at top of my screen I use to reloadui so mouse it up top there most of the time |
| 19:11.56 | TinnerKB | Ah but that does cause it too |
| 19:12.02 | TinnerKB | just tested through 2 reloadsz |
| 19:12.26 | TinnerKB | so maybe coincidence that I drag my mouse across at same time |
| 19:12.46 | TinnerKB | Thanks |
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