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| 03:57.07 | TinnerKB | so, the packager on curse works only business hours? |
| 04:14.40 | TinnerKB | They been working on ember isle right? They need to adjust exp. I got 1168 exp for a lvl 52 mob there. I went over to Cape Jule and getting 3378 exp for lvl 50 mobs |
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| 10:43.15 | Kekoas | Ivnedar, it's getting close to your lucky day |
| 10:43.22 | Kekoas | you're gonna have to take over KBM |
| 10:43.42 | Kekoas | I would rather move on to game coding again :D |
| 10:44.02 | Ivnedar | Noooo |
| 10:44.08 | Kekoas | yup :P |
| 10:44.20 | Kekoas | I need to break free :( |
| 10:44.42 | Kekoas | I'll sign over the two repo's to you :D |
| 10:46.25 | Kekoas | that aside |
| 10:46.31 | Kekoas | how's IG going matey? |
| 10:47.00 | Ivnedar | In there now, hating it |
| 10:47.13 | Kekoas | we killed breaker then had mass AFK next week :( |
| 10:47.16 | Ivnedar | T2 has turned me off rift sadly |
| 10:47.21 | Ivnedar | nice, grats! |
| 10:47.36 | Ivnedar | we're still on breaker |
| 10:47.39 | Kekoas | welcome to me 8 months ago! |
| 10:47.42 | Ivnedar | It's really not that hard a fight |
| 10:47.51 | Kekoas | lol it aint :D |
| 10:47.56 | Kekoas | nor are twins |
| 10:47.58 | Ivnedar | Just requires people to not derp over and over |
| 10:48.02 | Kekoas | infact, twins = easier |
| 10:48.22 | Kekoas | and the reason I wrote KBM is? |
| 10:48.33 | Kekoas | :P |
| 10:48.37 | Ivnedar | uh huh |
| 10:48.42 | Ivnedar | even kbm isn't enough for this lot |
| 10:48.43 | Kekoas | sorry I don't mean to bitch at you :D |
| 10:48.47 | Kekoas | lol |
| 10:48.50 | Ivnedar | you probably saw my encounters |
| 10:48.52 | Kekoas | lmao |
| 10:49.17 | Kekoas | I'm only laughing because after I wrote it, the people I aimed it at originally did still fail |
| 10:49.24 | Ivnedar | :) |
| 10:49.36 | Kekoas | but the at least the hopefuls nailed it |
| 10:49.55 | Ivnedar | Yeah, it's always the way, the people who'll use it don't need it, the people who won't use it, need it |
| 10:49.56 | Kekoas | this was during world first aky too |
| 10:50.14 | Kekoas | lol no shit |
| 10:50.35 | Kekoas | not only will they not use it, they then blame it for "bad raiders" |
| 10:51.34 | Kekoas | I wonder sometimes if they understand what ACT is and that every top guild uses it |
| 10:52.53 | seebs | I still run into people who are CONVINCED that addons "play the game for you". |
| 10:53.02 | Kekoas | lol |
| 10:53.14 | seebs | Seriously, if a lua script is better at this than you are, you have bigger problems than the addon API. |
| 10:53.40 | seebs | To be fair, if FF14 had an API, I could almost certainly make code that would do the crafting minigame at least as well as I do. |
| 10:54.00 | Kekoas | Addon = Bot to those |
| 10:54.41 | Kekoas | eww, I tried FF14. It's cute n all, but I'll stick with FF13 for my needs in FF land |
| 10:55.37 | Kekoas | I love Rift, always have, but I may need a break |
| 10:56.03 | Kekoas | which may get akward |
| 10:56.19 | seebs | I really like the crafting in FF14. The combat's sorta meh, but then, I don't actually care that much about it. |
| 10:56.30 | seebs | Reason I'm playing it and not Rift is pretty much moderation. |
| 10:56.46 | Kekoas | The crafting as a prof is kinda cool |
| 10:56.49 | seebs | Decided I would rather play a game where the trolls eventually get booted. |
| 10:56.57 | Kekoas | and the fact eveything can be done on 1 toon |
| 10:57.06 | seebs | The crafting starts out pretty tolerable, but by the time you're 20+ in several crafts, it gets MUCH deeper and more interesting. |
| 10:57.19 | Kekoas | lol yeah I was getting there |
| 10:57.29 | seebs | There's some really nice interactions between various professions. |
| 10:57.47 | Kekoas | it's leaning too J for me |
| 10:58.38 | Kekoas | i don't mind JPG sometimes, but not as my main |
| 10:58.51 | Kekoas | JRPG* |
| 11:00.12 | Kekoas | Fun fact: I traded this IRC key to the author of IRC with a game I wrote way back in the day D: |
| 11:00.20 | seebs | Yeah. Sort of a mixed bag, there. |
| 11:00.46 | seebs | It really captures the feel of Final Fantasy, it was something like 10-15 minutes from when I first logged in to when I could first move my character. |
| 11:01.49 | Kekoas | IT does, when I made it to 14ish. But I saw the grind creeping in that early |
| 11:01.58 | Kekoas | that pushed me away |
| 11:02.54 | Kekoas | Don't get wrong, I grin in FF13 around the missions. But I don't want that |
| 11:02.58 | seebs | Huh, hasn't been very grindy for me. |
| 11:03.05 | Kekoas | grind* |
| 11:03.24 | seebs | Although to be fair, I'm mostly doing crafting, and I guess that's sorta grindy, but I tend to watch a movie while running crafting on macros, occasionally focusing on it for a while to make some HQ items. |
| 11:03.52 | seebs | The main story quest levelling is pretty effortless. Levelling all the other classes will definitely take longer, but the huge XP bonus makes it not-too-bad so far. |
| 11:04.21 | Kekoas | haha. Yeah, I approached it normal style and tried to spread crafting with my progression. Can't be done. |
| 11:04.52 | Kekoas | I did enjoy the game though. And how they approached it, it will appeal to many |
| 11:05.08 | seebs | There's no bonus XP for the crafts from the combat classes... As a side effect of which, all my crafts are now in the 20s, and I'll probably have them at 25+ before I get my combat classes up there. |
| 11:05.29 | seebs | Cross-class stuff between the crafts helps a ton. |
| 11:05.39 | Kekoas | well, the crafting classes are just that |
| 11:05.54 | Kekoas | you can be, just a crafter |
| 11:06.13 | seebs | Well, you have to level your first combat class to at least 10, and in practice to 15ish and do some side quests, to do all the crafting. |
| 11:06.21 | Kekoas | yeah |
| 11:06.49 | seebs | Keeping the crafting stuff roughly synched with, or even ahead of, my combat classes may help a lot, though. Life would be pretty pleasant with all high-quality gear. :) |
| 11:07.05 | Kekoas | but 10 is nothing (I ran it 4 times to 10 switching to servers I could join) |
| 11:07.32 | Kekoas | I think tbh, that is what soured it for me |
| 11:07.39 | Kekoas | the initial server isssues |
| 11:07.44 | Kekoas | -s |
| 11:09.17 | Ivnedar | Kekoas: did you play with the canvas stuff at all? |
| 11:09.48 | seebs | Ahh, yeah, the server stuff was pretty bad. |
| 11:09.50 | Kekoas | naaa, I looked at it. It's getting too little too late for me I'm affraid |
| 11:10.25 | seebs | I do sorta wish Rift's API hadn't gotten so delayed on a lot of core functionality, like chat stuff, or interaction with settings, and so on. |
| 11:10.28 | Kekoas | I could convert all KBM's alerts to that new stuff |
| 11:10.42 | Ivnedar | infinite colours! |
| 11:10.46 | Ivnedar | "infinite" |
| 11:10.47 | Kekoas | me too Seebs, me too |
| 11:10.53 | seebs | The amount of time/effort it took to come up with even a partial solution to the fact that you can't turn on chat logging as a preference/setting thing so it stays set.... Yeesh. |
| 11:11.09 | Kekoas | lol indeed |
| 11:11.22 | Kekoas | I've just got tired of work-arounds |
| 11:11.37 | Ivnedar | I wonder if there was anything we could have done to get Trion to see it as a higher priority |
| 11:11.44 | seebs | There's a lot of loose ends that really ought to get cleaned up some time in the UI. Just simple stuff like a frame rate cap for machines that overheat, or a way to distinguish new sessions... Or fixes so we don't NEED to distinguish new sessions. |
| 11:11.51 | Ivnedar | Make players more dependant on it somehow |
| 11:11.57 | seebs | To be fair... The peformance stuff was probably a legit higher priority for many people. |
| 11:12.03 | Ivnedar | yeah, definitely |
| 11:12.12 | seebs | Mostly I wish Trion hadn't sacrified Rift to try to make those other games work. |
| 11:12.13 | Kekoas | No Ivnedar there isn't. I write one of the big ones. And they "sort of listened" |
| 11:12.37 | Solsis | but how long will that be the focus before they look at the api stuff again..? :( |
| 11:12.38 | Kekoas | Why do you think I was so pissy |
| 11:13.28 | seebs | Well, API stuff is getting at least some attention now. But... There's still a lot more that would be really nice. And a ton of other UI features that aren't quite API stuff, but are related, like chat logging. |
| 11:13.32 | Solsis | and by big you mean biggest :P |
| 11:14.06 | Kekoas | Seebs: They're a new company and thought they'd nail it everywhere. They didn't realize they COULD of nailed it with Rift. They might know that now though, hence the ass kissing |
| 11:14.14 | seebs | Or stuff like "wouldn't it be cool if there were a way for characters to sit in chairs", which has been the #1 request from a lot of the RPers basically since the wardrobe slots showed up. |
| 11:14.14 | Ivnedar | Oooh, I just realised, with canvas, I can finally make my nyancat addon rotate! |
| 11:14.23 | ZorbaBeta | for what it's worth, AFAIK Rift hasn't been sacrificed in order to make other games work |
| 11:14.25 | Ivnedar | After raid, I'm so fixin that |
| 11:14.40 | seebs | What I mean is... They should NOT have laid off devs. MHO. |
| 11:14.52 | Kekoas | lol Ivn, important stuff first *nods |
| 11:15.01 | Ivnedar | Kekoas: It is so important! |
| 11:15.16 | Kekoas | Guess what, I could of wrote Mario Bro's ages ago :D |
| 11:15.18 | Ivnedar | Our mumble plays the nyancat song whenever bm buff goes up |
| 11:15.23 | Kekoas | totally cba |
| 11:15.30 | Ivnedar | and nyancat addon puts a nyancat animation on the screen movign around while the buff is up |
| 11:15.36 | Kekoas | lol |
| 11:15.48 | Ivnedar | so now it can rotate when it goes around the screen! |
| 11:15.54 | Kekoas | hhaa |
| 11:16.01 | seebs | Admittedly, it might just plain be hard to get a rendering guy. But they could have, say, brought in someone else to work on API stuff... But funding got cut, and all the available evidence makes it look as though Rift's funding got cut, not because Rift wasn't able to earn money, but because other things were hurting the bottom line and Trion needed to save cash somewhere. |
| 11:16.02 | Solsis | I've heard canvas uses a lot more resources though :( |
| 11:16.18 | Ivnedar | I'm only using it to rotate a texture |
| 11:16.37 | Ivnedar | texture + transform matrix, rest standard |
| 11:16.44 | Kekoas | It's not so much hard Seebs. It's more the time thing |
| 11:17.13 | seebs | Well, I mean. Say you want a guy who can work on the rendering engine, who's not Zorba. You can't just say "okay, we'll hire a rendering guy", and then a week later you have someone competent to do it. |
| 11:17.17 | Ivnedar | I couldn't see them dropping Defiance with the SyFy deal |
| 11:17.17 | Kekoas | Sol. Canvas is the same as a mask |
| 11:17.27 | Ivnedar | That would have had to be made a priority |
| 11:17.30 | Kekoas | time wise |
| 11:17.30 | ZorbaBeta | it's definitely very hard to get a rendering guy ;) we had, to the best of my knowledge, three qualified applicants. two of them turned down the job, the third is now working at Trion, but another project needed him more . . . which is less "sacrificing rift for other projects" and more "trying to make the best use of limited resources" |
| 11:17.55 | seebs | Well, yeah. But I really think that the game would be in better shape without the couple rounds of layoffs they've had. |
| 11:18.11 | Ivnedar | Assuming the company survived it I guess |
| 11:18.17 | ZorbaBeta | it's probably true, but, I mean . . . what game *wouldn't* be better with unlimited funding and manpower? |
| 11:18.21 | Ivnedar | if it was lose staff or lose company, I know which I'd prefer |
| 11:18.23 | Kekoas | sucks they turned it down Zorber, but meh |
| 11:18.34 | ZorbaBeta | kekoas, yeah, so it goes. rendering experts are in short supply |
| 11:18.37 | Kekoas | haha there is that |
| 11:18.56 | Kekoas | I want my own render guys too! |
| 11:19.07 | seebs | And, of course, my other pet peeve, which is that they'll hand out 6+ one-week suspensions for a troll, rather than a single ban, then complain about being too short-handed to deal with the community problems. |
| 11:19.28 | seebs | It really does take LESS time from GMs or mods to do a good job than to do a mediocre job. |
| 11:19.34 | Kekoas | Zorba. Why don't they work for my dancing skills? |
| 11:19.36 | ZorbaBeta | I definitely get where seebs is coming from - Rift would be a much cooler game if we had been able to keep our release-date employee count on it - but it's entirely possible Trion would not currently exist if we'd done so. Funding isn't limitless and Rift, while it's certainly not dying, also isn't GTA5. |
| 11:19.47 | seebs | True. |
| 11:20.03 | seebs | But so far as I know, Rift has always been profitable, and it was other, non-profitable, games that required the cuts. |
| 11:20.22 | seebs | And if those games had been left to sink or swim on their own merits, Rift might be making a lot more money. :) |
| 11:20.52 | Kekoas | I have a feeling most of here have/are/hovered around the industry, and get equally frustrated each time this happens |
| 11:21.14 | seebs | One of the people in my Free Company (aka Guild, but Squeenix have to rename everything) plays Rift sometimes, and reports not having seen Ibby around for a while, though. So who knows, maybe they HAVE started actually enforcing ToS. |
| 11:22.13 | ZorbaBeta | kekoas, the game industry is a nightmare in a lot of ways, unfortunately. even at the best of times it's a crazy competitive industry |
| 11:22.20 | Ivnedar | Can't really let games stand on their own though. Rift would have had a huge injection from outside of it for years to start it off |
| 11:22.23 | Kekoas | Hey Zorba. When I wrote games for the Amiga 6 million years ago. Guess what we were short on :) |
| 11:22.31 | ZorbaBeta | kekoas, pixels? ;) |
| 11:22.33 | Ivnedar | Once that's ticking over, the next game uses the profits of that one to kick start itself |
| 11:22.39 | Ivnedar | ram! |
| 11:22.39 | Kekoas | lmao, indeed |
| 11:23.00 | Kekoas | well that too |
| 11:23.07 | ZorbaBeta | ivnedar, yep, that's true as well - you don't want to rely on a game that's self-sufficient, because then you're completely screwed when it stops being self-sufficient. the heartbeat of the industry is that you use the profits from one game to make the next game |
| 11:23.14 | seebs | What Amiga games did you do? <-- has a lot of Amiga games |
| 11:23.19 | ZorbaBeta | kekoas, in some ways I'm not sure whether rendering was easier or harder back then |
| 11:23.39 | Ivnedar | Valve's SteamOS will be interesting to see where it goes |
| 11:23.44 | Ivnedar | they're going os and hardware |
| 11:23.48 | ZorbaBeta | you had the disadvantage of much less hardware, but you also had far lower expectations and far fewer capabilities. |
| 11:23.51 | Kekoas | Seebs. Future Miner was MY game, and some other bigger ones, lol |
| 11:24.04 | ZorbaBeta | there are probably single shaders out there that are more complicated than entire atari games |
| 11:24.05 | Kekoas | I was a bit part for those though |
| 11:24.31 | seebs | This is fascinating, but also I am really sleepy. Wandering off. |
| 11:24.36 | Ivnedar | nite seebs :) |
| 11:24.40 | Kekoas | SKid-Marks I did some of the AI for |
| 11:24.46 | ZorbaBeta | ivnedar, Valve's latest announcements are fascinating. Combine Valve's recent crazyness with Mantle and there's some interesting times up ahead |
| 11:24.48 | ZorbaBeta | seebs, g'night :) |
| 11:24.55 | Ivnedar | yeah, definitely |
| 11:24.57 | Kekoas | nn Seebs |
| 11:25.23 | seebs | Did folks see the posts, I think allegedly on 4chan or something, saying that basically, once you have working drivers, they got MUCH better game performance on Linux than on Windows? |
| 11:25.43 | seebs | If Valve starts saying "no, we're using this because it performs better", and having benchmarks to prove it... That's gonna make a mark. |
| 11:25.53 | Solsis | working drivers is the key part to anything in linux |
| 11:25.56 | Solsis | and good luck |
| 11:26.05 | ZorbaBeta | Heard that. not entirely convinced - the bottleneck isn't generally in things that the OS cares about - but it'll be interesting to see what happens |
| 11:26.12 | Solsis | even manufacture distributed ones only work halfway most the time |
| 11:26.20 | ZorbaBeta | apparently Valve's controller is also really promising, so I'm excited about that |
| 11:26.31 | seebs | Yeah. Well, I totally believe them about scheduling. |
| 11:26.45 | Kekoas | It'll be nice to see valve knock hard on M$'s door though |
| 11:26.52 | seebs | The performance difference there is ludicrous and has been for 20+ years if you include other Unixes. |
| 11:27.03 | Solsis | with the resources pcs have these days and the way win8 is built.. i don't see the os being the bottleneck |
| 11:27.15 | seebs | So I can totally buy their example of something like fraps performing very measurably better under Linux. |
| 11:27.43 | Kekoas | Windows isn't even close to gaming, they're only interested in business |
| 11:27.47 | Kekoas | it'll happen |
| 11:28.00 | Kekoas | they'll give up Xbone < best name ever |
| 11:28.01 | seebs | And their basic strategy for performance has been to sell more computers and thus more licenses. |
| 11:28.18 | seebs | Back when I did Unix support, we had a customer call us to laugh, because they'd had an MS sales rep in. |
| 11:28.31 | Solsis | oh no doubt.. and when it does i'm totally jumping ship. I'll be all over a gaming linux platform |
| 11:28.34 | ZorbaBeta | honestly, if I were MS, I'd be scared of the Steam Machine |
| 11:28.39 | Solsis | when the performance is right |
| 11:28.47 | Kekoas | no shit Zorba |
| 11:28.51 | Solsis | ^^ |
| 11:28.52 | seebs | Proposed a 5-machine cluster of dual-processor Pentium Pro machines to run web services, and said they could reach performance as high as N pages per second... |
| 11:29.00 | seebs | ... Which is about what they were getting from Unix on a single Pentium. |
| 11:29.03 | ZorbaBeta | given how happy people are proving to get rid of the desktop platform, I can totally see people moving to cell/tablet+TVcomputer |
| 11:29.22 | seebs | I don't think the fundamental performance issues have necessarily changed all that much, really, it's just that computers are so fast no one cares. |
| 11:29.25 | Kekoas | if they nail it, they're gonna do what Unix was kinda doing, but, mainstream |
| 11:29.36 | ZorbaBeta | and if the steam machine is the easiest way to do that, *and* it plays games, *and* it supports OpenOffice and the like, which it totally will, it starts being unclear what benefit Windows provides |
| 11:29.49 | Solsis | ^^ |
| 11:29.52 | Solsis | exactly Zorba |
| 11:29.53 | Kekoas | I know right |
| 11:30.00 | Kekoas | real open source |
| 11:30.01 | ZorbaBeta | at that point, I'm not sure whether MS's best option is to go all-in and try to make Windows/Office relevant again, or to fold, kill Windows, and port the Office ecosystem to Linux. |
| 11:30.09 | Kekoas | distro through steam |
| 11:30.34 | Solsis | steam has never ceased to amaze me. |
| 11:30.37 | Kekoas | is office still the thing? |
| 11:30.50 | Kekoas | I've been out of the loop |
| 11:30.51 | ZorbaBeta | either way, I'm starting to wonder what MS's long-term goals are - their moneymakers are getting increasingly commoditized. |
| 11:30.52 | Solsis | I went to openoffice a while back... |
| 11:31.02 | ZorbaBeta | kekoas, it's still better than the open alternatives if you do real work in it |
| 11:31.11 | Kekoas | ahh ok, thanks |
| 11:31.13 | ZorbaBeta | similar to how Photoshop still absolutely slaughters Gimp for professionals |
| 11:31.25 | Kekoas | lol |
| 11:31.33 | Kekoas | ProPixel!!! |
| 11:31.38 | Kekoas | I wrote that :( |
| 11:31.48 | Kekoas | my publisher butchered it |
| 11:31.59 | Solsis | or like my wife writes books.. Word's formatting tools are just infinitely better. |
| 11:32.10 | Kekoas | ok, I promised no sad Kek |
| 11:32.26 | ZorbaBeta | the open-source ecosystem seems to be great at making professional-quality IT/programming tools, and amateur-quality everything else. it's still kinda unclear if open source can produce professional-quality non-IT/programming tools. |
| 11:32.52 | Ivnedar | I'm surprised windows servers haven't died off by now |
| 11:33.07 | Kekoas | it won't, it loses structure and, I hate to say it... professionalism |
| 11:33.36 | Kekoas | Sucks, but the guys in the suits, get certain things right |
| 11:33.47 | Ivnedar | (You can probably tell how well IG is going by how active I am in here :P ) |
| 11:33.48 | Solsis | Zorba... why does Unit.Detail.Health trigger before Unit.Detail.HealthMax :( |
| 11:33.48 | Kekoas | not games though. |
| 11:34.17 | Solsis | IG? |
| 11:34.54 | Kekoas | Unit.Detail.Health is constant, health max is reactive |
| 11:34.59 | Ivnedar | Infinity Gate |
| 11:34.59 | Kekoas | at a guess |
| 11:35.39 | ZorbaBeta | a lot of the best open-source software seems to come from companies sponsoring it |
| 11:36.05 | ZorbaBeta | often by saying "hey, our paid product would be more popular if this paid software were free . . . let's make a free version of that software" |
| 11:36.25 | ZorbaBeta | as an example, I could see Youtube sponsoring a paid AfterEffects clone, because more people making awesome videos = more YouTube traffic |
| 11:36.28 | Kekoas | I'm totally writing a new Sim City. I have to thank Maxis for reminding me "yes, I'm not that shit" |
| 11:36.39 | ZorbaBeta | but I'm not sure who makes money if Office is free, for example |
| 11:36.52 | ZorbaBeta | solsis, you're gonna hate the answer to this, I'm afraid - it's because .Health is first alphabetically |
| 11:37.01 | Kekoas | hahaha |
| 11:37.07 | Ivnedar | lol |
| 11:37.07 | Kekoas | I love that |
| 11:37.11 | Solsis | wow |
| 11:37.13 | Solsis | :( |
| 11:37.24 | ZorbaBeta | a lot of the Event.Unit.Detail.* events are still poll-driven - something I need to fix, but hasn't been fixed yet |
| 11:37.35 | Solsis | making my life.. #!@$ difficult.. lol. |
| 11:37.38 | ZorbaBeta | (it can be *really* hard to figure out a reliable way to detect an event change like that) |
| 11:37.48 | ZorbaBeta | the "good" news is that you can't guarantee it will stay that way forever! :V |
| 11:37.50 | Kekoas | Zorba, I actually looked up Lua Tables. I wanted to not write certain stuff in KBM any more |
| 11:38.00 | Solsis | I'll figure out a way around it.. just trying to avoid an inspect in my health update routing :P |
| 11:38.13 | Kekoas | I was sad it was itteration |
| 11:38.39 | Solsis | routine* |
| 11:38.58 | Solsis | It was in there before.. It wasn't hurting it that bad honestly.. just trying to be more efficient. |
| 11:39.30 | ZorbaBeta | benchmark it to make sure it's an issue :) |
| 11:39.51 | Solsis | but now without getting inspect values it relies on what is passed from the event... and if hp update goes first.. then the max goes.. my calculations from my table are wrong :( |
| 11:40.43 | Solsis | I don't think it was a huge issue honestly. Was just trying to use what I was taught and make things more betterer :P |
| 11:41.45 | Kekoas | btw, I know it could only work with itteration, but I was holding out for magic candy |
| 11:41.55 | Solsis | cause theoretically... the correct way would be to utilize what the game is providing and what is stored in the table.. not pulling fresh information and overriding what I'm already being given :P |
| 11:42.03 | ZorbaBeta | kekoas, which part of the tables were you looking at? |
| 11:42.12 | Kekoas | memory indexing |
| 11:42.31 | Kekoas | how they stored names |
| 11:42.42 | ZorbaBeta | I don't think indexing is iterating - it's got an "array" section which is just a lookup, and the non-array part is a hash table |
| 11:42.57 | ZorbaBeta | plus remember rift uses luajit :V |
| 11:43.19 | Kekoas | oh no, I'm not knocking the rift API |
| 11:43.25 | Kekoas | I just wanted to dig deeper |
| 11:43.51 | Kekoas | I was looking in to exactly how a named table entry could be accessed |
| 11:44.18 | Kekoas | and it's pretty much how I'd write it in C on a global level |
| 11:44.44 | Kekoas | like I said, I was wanting magic candy, that could make letters an index |
| 11:44.55 | ZorbaBeta | *nod* yeah, pretty much |
| 11:45.04 | ZorbaBeta | I think luajit does some of that magic stuff |
| 11:45.30 | Kekoas | that would be cool. |
| 11:46.38 | Kekoas | The C program I wrote to cross-ref the entire .xml takes 2s to parse and create a custom cross reference. I'm proud of that, no one will see it. |
| 11:46.40 | Kekoas | lol |
| 11:46.47 | Ivnedar | :) |
| 11:46.57 | Ivnedar | quest finder? |
| 11:47.20 | Kekoas | yeah, it parses all npc, item and quests in under 2s :D |
| 11:47.49 | Kekoas | and manages a wierd database thing I made |
| 11:48.19 | Kekoas | I index numbers |
| 11:48.35 | Kekoas | but as a sting |
| 11:48.40 | Kekoas | string* |
| 11:49.16 | Kekoas | so search 12345, would skip... yeah thats boring |
| 11:49.40 | Kekoas | and it probably has a name |
| 11:50.21 | Kekoas | Meh gonna explain it anyhow |
| 11:51.24 | Kekoas | each digit has point in memory "1", "2" etc, on any permutation. So you type a number it'll skip to each on in a linked list |
| 11:51.42 | Kekoas | rather than creating a HUGE array |
| 11:51.57 | Kekoas | sorta semi indexed < real |
| 11:52.45 | Kekoas | but it only takes up as much memory as the digits cover. MAn I suck at explaining this |
| 11:52.48 | Ivnedar | like a sparse index type of thing? |
| 11:53.08 | Kekoas | Oh, it's a thing? :( |
| 11:53.22 | Kekoas | (I guessed it would be) |
| 11:53.25 | Ivnedar | oh, in linked lists |
| 11:53.29 | Ivnedar | so a splay trie? |
| 11:53.31 | Ivnedar | looks |
| 11:53.34 | Kekoas | lol |
| 11:53.57 | Ivnedar | oops, trie tree |
| 11:53.57 | Kekoas | I'll send you the code, and as a friend you'll tell me |
| 11:53.59 | Kekoas | thanks |
| 11:54.00 | Ivnedar | or radix tree |
| 11:54.12 | Kekoas | see names, do not know. |
| 11:54.24 | Kekoas | it should make sense in C |
| 11:54.27 | Ivnedar | been a while since I did algorithms |
| 11:55.01 | Kekoas | it's recursive |
| 11:55.20 | Kekoas | tiny tiny code |
| 11:57.09 | Kekoas | hang on, I'll drop it in drop box |
| 11:57.45 | Kekoas | https://www.dropbox.com/s/i61wf3nth13t0gn/database.bmx |
| 11:58.19 | Kekoas | I have no idea what I created. But it's fast for loose indexing |
| 11:59.09 | Kekoas | works for quest numbers anyhow |
| 12:01.38 | Kekoas | I noticed I limited it to 10 places |
| 12:04.10 | Kekoas | night all, sorry for boring you |
| 12:04.14 | Kekoas | was nice chatting |
| 12:04.19 | Ivnedar | sorry, will look at it after raid ends :D |
| 12:04.21 | Ivnedar | sleep well! |
| 12:04.24 | Ivnedar | and not boring at all |
| 12:04.33 | Kekoas | :D |
| 12:04.36 | Kekoas | gl |
| 12:04.43 | Ivnedar | thanks :) |
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| 15:34.22 | ZorbaBeta | http://www.spacex.com/webcast/ T minus 26:00 |
| 15:40.10 | Ivnedar | ooh |
| 15:42.45 | ZorbaBeta | this is an exciting one because it's the first real v1.1 launch, the first use of a payload fairing, *and* they'll be doing the next stage of tests for their rocket recovery system |
| 15:43.33 | Ivnedar | It's amusing comparing this to KSP |
| 15:43.40 | ZorbaBeta | yeah :V |
| 15:43.51 | ZorbaBeta | KSP has it easy - small planets, low gravity |
| 15:43.54 | ZorbaBeta | oh, and unlimited money ;) |
| 15:45.47 | Ivnedar | and unlimited astronauts :D |
| 15:46.11 | ZorbaBeta | which is a bit less important if you're doing unmanned launches :V |
| 15:54.57 | Ivnedar | Is it just me, or does everyone involved seem to be rather young |
| 15:56.54 | ZorbaBeta | I will admit I'm mostly paying attention to the rocket ;) |
| 15:57.30 | Ivnedar | Could have sworn the title under one of the guys talking said he was one of the lead engineers and he looked ~20 |
| 15:57.38 | Ivnedar | people talking sound young too |
| 15:57.48 | Ivnedar | guess I'm comparing it to nasa launch commentary |
| 15:58.30 | Ivnedar | or maybe I'm just getting old :) |
| 15:58.40 | ZorbaBeta | I think nasa definitely leans a lot older |
| 15:58.47 | ZorbaBeta | I mean, it's government, and government that is having funding issues |
| 15:58.57 | ZorbaBeta | not a lot of room for new hires |
| 15:59.05 | ZorbaBeta | spacex, meanwhile, is pretty much a brand-new company |
| 15:59.18 | Ivnedar | yeah, recruit the brightest new minds etc |
| 15:59.36 | Ivnedar | no pensions and ex military types to worry about |
| 16:01.11 | Ivnedar | gah, bumped player at T-03s and it paused it, luckily it restarted at T-03s :D |
| 16:01.22 | ZorbaBeta | hah :D |
| 16:01.50 | Ivnedar | I just jumped back 5s again :D |
| 16:01.54 | Ivnedar | deja vu |
| 16:02.58 | Ivnedar | Interesting flame pattern from the engines |
| 17:37.12 | tubsawubs | Meh, launch was good but it was a shame we missed the stage decoupling and fairing ejection :( |
| 17:37.16 | tubsawubs | Stupid stream kept on buffering. |
| 17:40.33 | tubsawubs | ZorbaBeta, can you think of any reason why calling Inspect.Ability.New.Detail(cooldowns) |
| 17:40.34 | tubsawubs | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:40.43 | tubsawubs | I checked to see if there were more cooldowns in that spec, but there aren't. |
| 17:40.59 | tubsawubs | It fires for every single skill on the gcd, but even so, that's only about 50 abilities |
| 17:41.17 | tubsawubs | And like I say, it is only one spec (warden) where it goes slow. |
| 17:47.12 | ZorbaBeta | tub, hmm, nope. if it's reproducible I can try to figure it out |
| 17:47.18 | ZorbaBeta | weird that it's only one spec |
| 18:16.39 | tubsawubs | It's very reproducible |
| 18:16.43 | tubsawubs | gimme 2 secs though, dungeon :x |
| 18:41.01 | tubsawubs | ZorbaBeta, do you want me to upload this to somewhere so you can repro or? |
| 19:23.48 | TinnerKB | Does Inspect.Unit.Lookup take alot of resources if called alot? |
| 19:24.02 | TinnerKB | Not used for Inspect.Unit.Details |
| 19:34.04 | Repo | gadgets: Lifeismystery master * v0.5.2-2-gb37d14e wtLibUnitDatabase/wtUnitDatabase.lua: [+1 commit] fix HealthCap |
| 19:34.40 | ZorbaBeta | tub, yeah, and also /msg me your account name, character name, and which spec it is - I suspect this is tied to your spec somehow :V |
| 19:34.52 | ZorbaBeta | (feel free to send this to my forum name if you want to make sure I'm not masquerading as an admin) |
| 19:49.00 | seebs | While it's true that Photoshop beats GIMP, it's not as obvious as it used to be -- I am told some professionals think that Photoshop's interface has gotten dramatically worse over the years, and I know of people who have abandoned Adobe's stuff over pricing and business model. |
| 19:49.04 | seebs | The gap isn't as large as it used to be. |
| 19:49.27 | seebs | But yes, in general, open source tools for developers tend to be much better, simply because the people who can fix them are the people who care about the problems. |
| 20:00.02 | tubsawubs | ZorbaBeta, I whispered you the details. |
| 20:00.36 | tubsawubs | seebs, the day I move to linux on my home machine is the day flash works properly. |
| 20:02.45 | seebs | I am sort of hoping Flash dies the painful, messy, death it deserves. |
| 20:03.15 | tubsawubs | Meh, <video> sucks just as badly tbh. |
| 20:04.11 | seebs | Nearly all the alternatives have the key benefit that they are not the subject of active efforts to prevent interoperability. |
| 20:04.52 | seebs | That, and... Flash is sort of on the high end of "what do you mean, no thought for security? We've spent millions of dollars trying to prevent this from being secure." |
| 20:05.52 | tubsawubs | I just wanna watch videos of cats falling off stuff |
| 20:06.24 | seebs | Yup. FWIW, I am told that people can do that pretty decently under Linux these days. I tend not to since my Linux machine is work. |
| 20:06.37 | seebs | So I do most of my desktoppy stuff on a Mac, video games on a Windows machine. |
| 20:08.24 | tubsawubs | I linux at work fulltime and flash is a giant steaming pile of crap. |
| 20:08.36 | tubsawubs | Though that's 50/50 flash/nvidia |
| 20:14.27 | seebs | Are you using Adobe's stuff or the third-party stuff? Because it's Adobe's fault either way, but one version is their total disinterest in making a working product, and the other is their active hostility to interoperability. |
| 20:19.10 | tubsawubs | Adobe, I tried the pepper plugin for chrome too |
| 20:19.21 | tubsawubs | That crashes the instance it even sniffs a video. |
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