| 00:13.17 | Ivnedar | oh wow, Canvas is up on pts? |
| 00:13.23 | Ivnedar | damnit, just at the start of raiding week |
| 00:16.19 | TinnerKB | pls go figure it out |
| 00:16.38 | TinnerKB | I dont understand how to set up the path and fill tables |
| 00:21.15 | Ivnedar | If you can dump out the doco somewhere I can read it without logging into the pts, I could take a look :D |
| 00:21.37 | TinnerKB | I was using apibrowser on the pts to view it |
| 00:22.00 | Ivnedar | I believe there's a docexport addon that can dump it out |
| 00:22.48 | Ivnedar | Hrrm, I wonder if I could get pts to load on my laptop at work |
| 00:23.11 | Ivnedar | sneaky mode initiated |
| 00:27.52 | Ivnedar | how big is the pts game now? |
| 00:27.57 | Ivnedar | I have 17gb left on my hdd |
| 00:28.55 | Ivnedar | I could turn my live client into pts though, that'll work |
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| 00:38.31 | TinnerKB | 16g |
| 00:39.51 | Ivnedar | *nod* |
| 00:39.56 | Ivnedar | it's patching now |
| 00:39.58 | Ivnedar | thanks :) |
| 00:40.17 | TinnerKB | hoping you can get me some table examples |
| 00:41.27 | TinnerKB | I looked it the docs through apibrowser but was like trying to learn brain surgery when are you are looking for is superglue to fix a papercut :) |
| 00:41.45 | Ivnedar | wanted to dump out the doco so I could see what's there |
| 00:42.46 | TinnerKB | I closed pts but there was a matrix utility for creating one sort of table and then there was a canvas:SetShape that used 2 different tables |
| 00:55.01 | Baanano | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:57.25 | Baanano | somebody should write a tool to draw stuff and generate those tables |
| 00:58.39 | TinnerKB | changing to pts now to check that script |
| 01:00.10 | TinnerKB | hm, well it worked |
| 01:04.08 | TinnerKB | How would I put a curve in that if the first x was 1 |
| 01:04.35 | Ivnedar | xControlProportional and yControlProportional will let you control the curve by the look of it |
| 01:05.15 | TinnerKB | what Baanano has is just a point at top left, a point at bottom right and it draws a line between the two |
| 01:05.20 | Ivnedar | yup |
| 01:05.33 | TinnerKB | I moved the first x to 1,now it draws a vertical line instead of diagnal |
| 01:06.02 | TinnerKB | or do I have to set a table for every row of pixels I want the frame to be |
| 01:06.20 | Ivnedar | without being able to test it here, try adding in xControlProportional = 0.5, yControlProportional = 0.2 |
| 01:06.22 | TinnerKB | My frame is 256 x 60 |
| 01:06.34 | TinnerKB | where? |
| 01:06.42 | Ivnedar | to the first point in the path |
| 01:06.50 | Ivnedar | the one you changed from x = 0 to 1 |
| 01:07.12 | TinnerKB | so {xProportional = 0, yProportional = 0, xControlProportional = 0.5, yControlProportional = 0.2} ? |
| 01:07.15 | Ivnedar | yeah |
| 01:07.24 | Ivnedar | (picked random points to see if it has an effect) |
| 01:08.27 | Ivnedar | seebs: I don't have mingw or lua.exe installed! |
| 01:08.30 | Ivnedar | hides |
| 01:08.58 | TinnerKB | still have a vertical line, dont see any diff |
| 01:09.02 | Ivnedar | hrrm, ok |
| 01:09.43 | Ivnedar | try adding it to the second point too? |
| 01:10.06 | Ivnedar | oh, ok, I've read it wrong |
| 01:10.09 | Ivnedar | works out new coords |
| 01:10.11 | TinnerKB | wait |
| 01:10.17 | Ivnedar | http://wiki.blender.org/index.php/File:Modeling_Curves_control-points-handles.png |
| 01:10.22 | TinnerKB | we have a somewhat curve close to top |
| 01:10.29 | Ivnedar | that's the kind of thing you're trying to do |
| 01:10.48 | TinnerKB | load RiftHud and you will see what I am trying to do :P |
| 01:10.59 | Ivnedar | yeah, I understand |
| 01:11.23 | TinnerKB | the curve is close to top of line with your info |
| 01:11.31 | Ivnedar | I'm guessing that the x/y coords you set for the point are the control point and the xcontrol/ycontrol points are the handles |
| 01:11.36 | Ivnedar | from the image I linked |
| 01:11.52 | Ivnedar | so you'll want to position them to control the curve |
| 01:12.44 | Ivnedar | if you want it to bulge out, set the first one to be -0.5, 2 and the second one to be 1.5, 2 |
| 01:12.49 | Ivnedar | see if that looks any different |
| 01:13.23 | TinnerKB | same thing, just this time on the right side of the vertical line |
| 01:13.39 | TinnerKB | I am runing this through LuaPad so its just creating a new frame each time |
| 01:14.51 | Ivnedar | probably not curving it enough then |
| 01:14.57 | TinnerKB | Im lookingat the Curves page, where are you getting your values from? |
| 01:15.03 | Ivnedar | my head! :D |
| 01:15.24 | Ivnedar | Since I can't play around with it here, you're my proxy! :D |
| 01:15.31 | TinnerKB | heh |
| 01:15.34 | TinnerKB | works for me |
| 01:15.44 | TinnerKB | lets get that curve uniform then |
| 01:16.35 | Ivnedar | I'm guessing it's because the handle is too close to the control |
| 01:16.57 | TinnerKB | that proportional is supposed to be 0 to 1 right? Why did 1.5 put it outside the frame then? |
| 01:16.58 | Ivnedar | -20, 10 and 21, 10 |
| 01:17.30 | Ivnedar | because 1.5 is > 1? |
| 01:17.51 | TinnerKB | thought I had read it was to be in bounds, 0 to 1 |
| 01:17.57 | Ivnedar | if the frame's coord system goes from 0,0 to 1,1 and you put something at 1.5, it'll be outside of that frame |
| 01:18.20 | TinnerKB | welllll |
| 01:18.36 | TinnerKB | I put those new numbers, umm, shot right off my screen with 2 lines |
| 01:18.43 | Ivnedar | lol, oops :D |
| 01:18.46 | Ivnedar | still no curve? |
| 01:19.03 | TinnerKB | if it is, its on the next door neighbors screen |
| 01:19.22 | TinnerKB | lol |
| 01:19.28 | TinnerKB | this actually looks like a fountain pen |
| 01:19.45 | Ivnedar | may need another point in the middle then |
| 01:20.43 | TinnerKB | ok, I went 2, 1 and 2, 1 and put a curve at bottom this time but much fuller curve |
| 01:20.48 | Ivnedar | what about adding {xProportional = 0.7, yProportional = 0.5, xControlProportional = 0.6, yControlProportional = 0.5} |
| 01:21.02 | Ivnedar | to fix the midpoint of the line off to the left a bit |
| 01:21.08 | Ivnedar | and see if the line curves to meet it |
| 01:21.13 | TinnerKB | ah so a 3rd table? |
| 01:21.35 | Ivnedar | yup, in between the other two points |
| 01:21.46 | TinnerKB | sec, gotta reload, too many lines |
| 01:21.50 | Ivnedar | :D |
| 01:22.15 | TinnerKB | ok, umm weird |
| 01:22.46 | TinnerKB | we have a vertical line from top left to whatever 2nd table is, then a hook curved to right from there and then back to bottom |
| 01:22.59 | Ivnedar | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:23.11 | TinnerKB | if the end of the curve is the bottom right of my frame, then the curve is somewhat out the frame |
| 01:24.08 | Ivnedar | Hrrm, I wonder if the handle is meant to be on the other side then |
| 01:24.29 | Ivnedar | 40 mins til I can try it myself (lunch break) :P |
| 01:25.52 | TinnerKB | that gave me a point half way down, a little to left of vertical line but not a curve. looks more like 2 straight lines |
| 01:26.04 | Ivnedar | ok |
| 01:27.19 | Ivnedar | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:27.38 | Ivnedar | back to the two points on the path, with the control points being on the inside of the curve |
| 01:29.49 | TinnerKB | hard to tell but almost looks like just a vertical line with a slight tilt |
| 01:30.48 | Ivnedar | Is it just me or does it feel like we're a couple of chimps that have just been tossed a mobile phone to see what we'll do with it? :D |
| 01:31.15 | TinnerKB | tell ya, its me with Superglue in a brain surgery class |
| 01:31.38 | TinnerKB | brb a min, need a smoke |
| 01:32.32 | Ivnedar | I've got rift running in a little window on my laptop now |
| 01:38.28 | Ivnedar | hrrm, so if I change the height and width of the frame, it redraws the line in the new place, but leaves the old one |
| 01:38.46 | TinnerKB | it would if you are still using script |
| 01:38.58 | Ivnedar | I've made a frame that I'm changing |
| 01:39.03 | Ivnedar | not making a new one each time |
| 01:40.01 | Ivnedar | moving its position doesn't leave the old ones |
| 01:40.05 | Ivnedar | just resizing the canvas |
| 01:40.16 | Ivnedar | using proportional coords |
| 01:40.38 | Ivnedar | I made the frame 500x500 in the middle of the screen so I can see what it's doing easier |
| 01:41.44 | Ivnedar | but if I call SetShape again, it clears out the old lines and is correct again |
| 01:42.49 | TinnerKB | looks like I am gonna have to whip up a small add on with a bunch of sliders |
| 01:43.12 | Ivnedar | control handles on the first point in the path do nothing |
| 01:48.30 | TinnerKB | , xControlProportional = . 5, yControlProportional = . 5} |
| 01:48.45 | TinnerKB | if I add that to 2nd table, its the smae result if I dont add it |
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| 01:55.15 | Ivnedar | lunch! |
| 01:55.16 | Ivnedar | bbl :P |
| 01:59.29 | TinnerKB | if I set the path table to {{xProportional = 1, yProportional = 0}, |
| 01:59.30 | TinnerKB | {xProportional = 1, yProportional = 1, xControlProportional =0, yControlProportional = 0.5}} |
| 01:59.32 | TinnerKB | then I get my arc but it starts at topright, curves to left half way down but only half way across and then back to the bottom right |
| 02:01.29 | TinnerKB | weird, so it looks like xControlProportional is seeing 1 as"RIGHT", 0 as "CENTER" and -1 as "LEFT" |
| 02:04.22 | TinnerKB | Baanano if you are still there, can you make an example of using fill table and a texture instead of stroke table? |
| 02:05.30 | TinnerKB | or even a gradientLinear instead of texture |
| 02:20.16 | TinnerKB | yControlProportional acts differently, it only goes from 0 to 1, if you go negative it goes outside the frame. |
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| 02:36.18 | TinnerKB | Nice I made an arc and it fit in perfectly in one of my Hud arc backgrounds when I drag the window over it |
| 02:49.44 | Ivnedar | sweet :D |
| 03:15.06 | TinnerKB | Just need to learn how to do the gradient thing so its not just a solid color |
| 03:16.47 | Ivnedar | so you got rid of stroke and changed fill to be a table with type = "gradientLinear" ? |
| 03:17.58 | TinnerKB | didnt try because the documentation looked different and it didnt have a thickness in it |
| 03:18.11 | TinnerKB | seems yo can have all 3 tables as well |
| 03:19.30 | Ivnedar | {type = "gradientLinear", color = {{r=0,g=1,b=1,a=1},{r=0.5,g=1,b=1,a=1}}} |
| 03:19.39 | Ivnedar | as the second arg to SetShape |
| 03:19.59 | TinnerKB | logging in now |
| 03:20.11 | TinnerKB | would I remove the color from the 3rd table? |
| 03:20.19 | Ivnedar | remove the 3rd arg completely |
| 03:20.34 | TinnerKB | what about thickness then? |
| 03:20.48 | Ivnedar | thickness doesn't make sense to fill |
| 03:20.53 | Ivnedar | thickness is a line attribute |
| 03:21.06 | Ivnedar | you could leave it in if you want a line around the outside |
| 03:21.07 | TinnerKB | thats what I am making, a curved line |
| 03:21.22 | Ivnedar | oh, you're trying to apply a gradient to a line not a shape? |
| 03:21.57 | TinnerKB | right, I took what we had and made it thick, it fit in my rifthud arc background |
| 03:22.02 | Ivnedar | I assumed you were working towards making an arc shape and filling it with a gradient |
| 03:22.51 | TinnerKB | thats it but I dont really need an outline |
| 03:23.02 | Ivnedar | eg. curve line down one side, then curve back up to original point with a different curve amount |
| 03:23.18 | Ivnedar | so you make a shape |
| 03:23.54 | TinnerKB | that would take more then one frame though right? |
| 03:24.20 | Ivnedar | nope |
| 03:25.10 | TinnerKB | did you try that code line? I am getting an error |
| 03:25.47 | Ivnedar | you completed the path? or used the original one? |
| 03:26.09 | TinnerKB | inserted what you just wrote in place of nil |
| 03:26.27 | Ivnedar | oh, ok, you need to complete the path to enclose the shape before you'll be able to fill it |
| 03:26.50 | Ivnedar | so the last point in the path will be the same as the first point |
| 03:26.58 | Ivnedar | do it with lines to start with so you can see how it looks |
| 03:27.13 | Ivnedar | so you current have a line ) |
| 03:27.28 | Ivnedar | you need to make another one next to it so it looks like )) with the top and bottom joined |
| 03:27.29 | TinnerKB | ok, sec |
| 03:27.32 | Ivnedar | so it makes like a moon shape |
| 03:27.42 | Ivnedar | once you have that, you can replace stroke with fill to fill it up |
| 03:35.52 | TinnerKB | made the outline but it errors on the last table |
| 03:35.59 | TinnerKB | I have it table, table, nil |
| 03:36.49 | Ivnedar | what's the error? |
| 03:36.57 | Ivnedar | and does it error if you leave the line table in? |
| 03:37.20 | TinnerKB | Incorrect usage, I think I have something out of place, sec |
| 03:44.07 | TinnerKB | beats me, cant find the error |
| 03:50.36 | TinnerKB | ok fixed the error where it worked with stroke, then switched to fill, didnt work |
| 03:50.49 | TinnerKB | Incorrect function usage |
| 03:51.49 | TinnerKB | maybe its missing position in the color = tables? |
| 03:52.34 | TinnerKB | that was it |
| 03:52.46 | TinnerKB | it filled but its all one color |
| 03:55.57 | TinnerKB | Think I got it but...seems to be filling the gradiant from left to right instead of up and down and I dont see how to switch orientation |
| 03:56.34 | Ivnedar | probably need to pass it in a transform matrix to rotate it 90 degrees |
| 03:58.21 | TinnerKB | Rotation amount in radians, would that just be value 90? |
| 03:59.13 | Ivnedar | math.pi / 2 |
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| 04:00.41 | TinnerKB | oh yeah! |
| 04:00.50 | TinnerKB | Starting to like this |
| 04:00.54 | Ivnedar | :D |
| 05:06.11 | TinnerKB | ZorbaTHut, you there? |
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| 09:06.55 | Ivnedar | longest pts update ever! |
| 09:07.18 | Ivnedar | (wife's decided to update everything, so I've got <10kb/s left to download the 46mb update :P ) |
| 09:26.16 | Baanano | Trion Worlds is looking for a skilled JAVA engineer to develop server software for the Linux platform. <-- wonder what this is for |
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| 09:30.35 | tubsawubs | Define "skilled". |
| 09:32.50 | Baanano | 6+ years, multithread, the usual stuff (Spring, Hibernate...) check their page for more info |
| 09:33.37 | tubsawubs | Spring Hibernate... *vomit* |
| 09:34.21 | Ivnedar | ooh, they're expanding on their mobile client? |
| 09:36.59 | tubsawubs | "Fluency in C/C++" I assume this means "Fluency in C++ and we don't actually care about C". :-( |
| 09:37.08 | Baanano | dunno, seems web heavy, but also says "server software"... I don't associate web = server |
| 09:37.55 | tubsawubs | Baanano: Agreed. Spring = "web stuff", not "server stuff" in my mind. |
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| 13:53.21 | seebs | Huh, that's interesting. |
| 13:53.30 | Ivnedar | hrrm? |
| 13:53.42 | seebs | The java engineer thing. I didn't know Trion was using Java for much of anything. |
| 13:54.14 | Ivnedar | what's the bet their new forum software is java based? :) |
| 13:54.18 | seebs | I wonder whether they will someday return to the mobile client stuff, or do stuff like the armory-page. I know they all *planned* to. |
| 13:54.22 | seebs | New forum software? |
| 13:54.42 | Ivnedar | I keep reading rumours about it |
| 13:54.46 | Ivnedar | no idea if it's true |
| 13:54.59 | Ivnedar | I assume the job would be something kinda seperate to rift like that |
| 13:55.32 | seebs | It's conceivable, seems sort of weird, though. vB scales plenty big for Trion's current customer base, and developing something new seems like it'd be sorta weird. Basing something on vB would be more typical, and that's all PHP. |
| 13:55.48 | Ivnedar | maybe they are planning on extending the mobile platforum |
| 13:55.52 | Ivnedar | -u |
| 13:56.03 | Ivnedar | though I imagine there'd be more jobs on offer in the dev space |
| 13:56.44 | Imhothar | if they plan on doing android stuff they pretty much need a java guy (or do everything in native codeā¦) |
| 13:57.30 | Ivnedar | yeah, but surely not a server platform java guy |
| 13:57.37 | Ivnedar | it'd be a pretty different skill set |
| 13:59.22 | seebs | I have never actually seen anyone use Java for Android. I am sure it's done, I just don't see it. |
| 13:59.41 | seebs | What I've used is C++ native code which wraps a lua interpreter. |
| 13:59.50 | Ivnedar | I guess it'd be pretty obvious what they're doing if they started advertising for obj-c/c++/mobile skills |
| 13:59.51 | seebs | And there's at least two of those, and I think more like five. |
| 14:01.13 | Ivnedar | I do wonder if they'd go down the path of making the information available (using the server skills) and letting the community build the tools |
| 14:01.30 | Ivnedar | similar to discovery data |
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| 14:07.13 | Baanano | don't think it's a datafeed, they ask for web GUI knowledge |
| 14:10.00 | Ivnedar | could be a full armory I guess |
| 14:10.28 | Imhothar | yay for rumours |
| 14:10.48 | Ivnedar | they fill in the boredom created by doing dailies :) |
| 14:11.13 | Imhothar | why do them at all if the're boring |
| 14:11.27 | Ivnedar | because I want the reward at the end of the grind |
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| 14:58.42 | TinnerKB | Could someone help me with a simple solution that I just cant wrap my head around. I would like to scale a texture maintaining the aspect ratio but cant think of how to set up the formulas |
| 14:59.22 | seebs | I am not sure I understand. How much do you want to scale it? |
| 14:59.38 | TinnerKB | it will be on a slider so its random |
| 14:59.54 | TinnerKB | its a 256x46 texture that can be resized |
| 15:00.02 | TinnerKB | I just want it to stay the same ratio |
| 15:00.04 | seebs | Okay. So imagine that you have a 1-100 slider. |
| 15:00.19 | seebs | t.baseX = 256 |
| 15:00.22 | seebs | t.baseY = 46 |
| 15:00.35 | seebs | t:SetHeight(slider * t.baseX / 100) |
| 15:00.41 | seebs | t:SetWidth(slider * t.baseY / 100) |
| 15:00.44 | seebs | er |
| 15:00.52 | seebs | I swapped height and width, but whatever. :) |
| 15:01.07 | seebs | Just multiply the base values by the same value and you will get a consistent scale. |
| 15:01.21 | TinnerKB | grrr |
| 15:01.37 | TinnerKB | thought it would be something simple. I was trying to make it complicated |
| 15:02.57 | TinnerKB | thank you seebs |
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| 19:04.22 | seebs | So, FF14 has been having a gil-seller spam problem, which they have addressed with a chat throttle. |
| 19:04.29 | seebs | This may be the dumbest chat throttle implementation I have ever seen. |
| 19:04.45 | seebs | It throttles only *IDENTICAL* messages. |
| 19:05.23 | seebs | So if one of the 30 repetitions of the spammer's site name has a typo, and which one and which typo is random, you still get a message per second in whatever channel. |
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| 21:21.02 | tubsahubs | Anyone around? |
| 21:23.30 | tubsahubs | ZorbaTHut, Have you seen any "Direct3D Initialization Error" recently? |
| 21:32.36 | ZorbaTHut | nope, new to me. same computer? |
| 21:37.35 | tubsahubs | It's not me, it's someone else - 64bit Windows 8 |
| 21:38.02 | tubsahubs | Radeon 6570 |
| 21:38.45 | ZorbaTHut | huh |
| 21:38.58 | ZorbaTHut | I'd expect that from "you cannot run this game your computer is not good enough", but that should be easily good enough |
| 21:39.12 | ZorbaTHut | driver update, reboot? best idea I have so far. Also mash the "recovery" button on the patcher. |
| 21:39.23 | tubsahubs | I suggested driver update + reboot. |
| 21:40.17 | tubsahubs | I think it's been a few days of this, used to run ok. (Sorry for nagging, will stop if you want). >_> |
| 21:40.34 | ZorbaTHut | hrm, that's weird |
| 21:40.42 | ZorbaTHut | has there even been a patch during that time? |
| 21:41.22 | tubsahubs | I think there was a hotfix over the weekend, can't remember exactly. *checks changelog* |
| 21:43.36 | ZorbaTHut | I can't think of anything rendering-related that has shown up recently |
| 21:44.23 | ZorbaTHut | I haven't really been bothering with the stable release lately since at this point its rendering code bears only tangential similarity to the development branch :V |
| 21:44.51 | tubsahubs | *nods* No problem, just though I'd ask if you've seen it before. |
| 21:45.07 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, no worries. New to me, but if you manage to fix it, lemme know how :) |
| 21:45.08 | tubsahubs | I guess if it's a "Initialization Error" Rift hasn't even started to dump an error yet. |
| 21:46.06 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, that's super-early |
| 21:46.18 | ZorbaTHut | at the point where it's saying "hey, does this computer have a graphics card, and was it manufactured this century" |
| 21:46.28 | tubsahubs | Aye |
| 21:46.46 | tubsahubs | Context creation I guess (though I avoid D3D because my D3D in our company sucks) |
| 23:05.46 | tubsahubs | ZorbaTHut, entirely unrelated, who do I whine at re: spelling mistakes? >_> |
| 23:07.02 | ZorbaTHut | gimme an exact description of the place and I'll file it as a bug ;) |
| 23:09.31 | tubsahubs | Boon of Life (Chloro soul 5th tier) "... and it's mana cost by 10% per stack" |
| 23:13.35 | ZorbaTHut | should be easy enough to get fixed |
| 23:16.08 | ZorbaTHut | the chloro abilities guy is now aware of it. thanks :D |
| 23:16.44 | tubsahubs | Np! |
| 23:17.28 | tubsahubs | Glad for easy bugs... spent the entire day debugging an issue that *sometimes* occurs after 15 hours. |
| 23:18.02 | ZorbaTHut | funny you mention that, my computer at work is running rift now in the hopes of reproducing a bug with repro steps that include "wait several hours" |
| 23:20.41 | tubsahubs | Be thankful you never have to reproduce stuff on hardware emulators... "several hours" once turned into "6 weeks" - worst part of which is you never know when a power cut is going to happen :D |
| 23:20.57 | tubsahubs | But yeah, all time-based issues are just crap, I get bored tracking them down. :-\ |
| 23:55.48 | Ivnedar | ZorbaTHut: apologies for any crash reports that end up with you from my dimension playing :( |
| 23:57.33 | Ivnedar | apparently if I set the position on a dimension item that doesn't exist frequently enough, the client will crash |
