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| 07:01.17 | Ivnedar | man I love some of the rift concept artwork |
| 07:01.31 | Ivnedar | looking through Sven Bybee's stuff now |
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| 10:54.38 | Ivnedar | oooh, another addon idea |
| 10:54.52 | Ivnedar | one that turns dimensions into more dynamic places |
| 10:55.23 | Ivnedar | since addons can move/add/remove items as needed, the addon could run the whole place, make a jumping puzzle where platforms move over time, or disappear completely, reappearing back where they started |
| 10:55.33 | Ivnedar | as long as you're in the dimension, it should work |
| 10:59.39 | tubsawubs | O-o |
| 10:59.54 | tubsawubs | Would that not bring the system to its knees? |
| 11:00.22 | Ivnedar | who knows :D |
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| 11:08.50 | tubsawubs | There's only one way to find out! |
| 11:08.57 | Ivnedar | yup yup! |
| 11:09.11 | tubsawubs | Saying that, my computer doesn't even seem to be able to display static geometry... Sometimes rocks etc go totally invisible. |
| 11:09.25 | tubsawubs | Not even in dimensions, in the open world, it's very peculiar. |
| 11:12.00 | Ivnedar | yeah, that happens to a lot of people |
| 11:12.49 | tubsawubs | It's been happening a lot more recently, though it could just be me noticing it more. |
| 11:12.58 | Ivnedar | depends on the zone too |
| 11:13.12 | Ivnedar | happens a lot to me in ashora/dendrome/morban |
| 11:18.41 | tubsawubs | I noticed it a lot in Eastern Holdings last night. |
| 11:25.03 | Ivnedar | Dorfs should have a passive of "Duck" |
| 11:25.18 | Ivnedar | any mechanic that is more than 2ft off the ground is avoided by the dorf |
| 11:52.47 | ZorbaTHut | tubs, if that still happens after 2.4, let me know |
| 11:52.57 | ZorbaTHut | it may be fixed in the gigantic upcoming storm of rendering changes :P |
| 11:54.18 | Ivnedar | looking forward to testing it :D |
| 11:54.25 | Ivnedar | reckon it'll hit pts before live? |
| 11:55.05 | ZorbaTHut | it oughta, yep |
| 11:55.11 | Ivnedar | Do you know if they're still working on the unknown shard problem? Or is it closed off? |
| 11:56.15 | ZorbaTHut | if the unknown shards aren't disabled entirely, they're still working on it. I don't know which of those is the case though. |
| 11:56.31 | Ivnedar | they're not disabled, so guess they're working on it :) |
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| 11:57.18 | Ivnedar | welcome back :) |
| 11:57.31 | ZorbaTHut | stop crashing, x-chat >_< |
| 11:57.41 | Ivnedar | It's like the "Laws of Physics" aren't the same on unknown shards |
| 11:57.41 | ZorbaTHut | anyway, if it didn't come through: if the unknown shards aren't disabled entirely, they're still working on it. I don't know which of those is the case though. |
| 11:57.45 | Ivnedar | quite interesting to watch :) |
| 11:58.18 | ZorbaTHut | the unknown shards are shards that don't have the world maps enabled, but they're supposed to be perfectly functional for instances |
| 11:58.29 | ZorbaTHut | unfortunately it turns out there's a few world-map-related things they relied on |
| 11:58.31 | Ivnedar | mechanics are different, ability lag, etc |
| 11:58.44 | Ivnedar | stuff like salv facing the wrong way before casting lasers, or only one of them spawning |
| 11:58.56 | Ivnedar | like timings are off |
| 11:59.04 | ZorbaTHut | in theory they're all fixable, and I know many of them have been fixed, but there may be more issues. wouldn't surprise me if they're either entirely taken care of by now, or if they're disabled entirely because it's not worth the trouble |
| 11:59.25 | Ivnedar | I'm on one now, trying to work around the extra randomness :D |
| 11:59.35 | ZorbaTHut | well, I guess it's still broken then |
| 11:59.55 | ZorbaTHut | for what it's worth, our engineer team lead is an avid raider, and so this sort of thing tends to be focused on whenever possible ;) |
| 11:59.57 | Ivnedar | I'll update the thread |
| 12:00.16 | ZorbaTHut | I'll poke the dude next time I see him, make sure he knows things are still busted (95% sure he does though) |
| 12:00.18 | Ivnedar | It may be something that's made worse by oceanic latency |
| 12:00.58 | ZorbaTHut | that seems unlikely, just because it's been entirely a server-side deal. that said, "seems unlikely" often turns into "is totally accurate" once more info comes to light |
| 12:02.47 | Ivnedar | fair enough, taking stabs in the dark off what info I can see :) |
| 12:03.19 | ZorbaTHut | certainly doesn't hurt :) |
| 12:04.39 | Ivnedar | I'd love to see how different raiding was with lower latency, see if it makes much of a difference |
| 12:06.56 | ZorbaTHut | the aforementioned engineer team lead actually raids from the office for lower latency :V |
| 12:07.06 | Ivnedar | cheater! |
| 12:07.24 | Ivnedar | of course, the difference there would be going from 10ms to 2-3ms? :P |
| 12:07.33 | ZorbaTHut | although note that the servers aren't actually in the office, so it's no more of a latency gain than you'd get from any commercial connection |
| 12:07.42 | Ivnedar | ahh, fair enough |
| 12:07.50 | Ivnedar | it may well "feel" quicker though |
| 12:07.55 | Ivnedar | and that counts for a lot |
| 12:08.04 | Ivnedar | even if it's not actually measurably quicker |
| 12:08.35 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, it's always funny how subjective that sort of thing is |
| 12:08.50 | Ivnedar | we're 200-400ms :D |
| 12:09.06 | Ivnedar | must work more on transferring information faster than the speed of light |
| 12:09.11 | ZorbaTHut | ouch :) |
| 12:09.17 | Ivnedar | eh, it's normal for us :) |
| 12:10.01 | Ivnedar | though, playing swtor on an au shard felt wrong |
| 12:10.21 | Ivnedar | I'm too used to the "normal" response times than things responding that quickly felt offputting |
| 12:12.44 | Ivnedar | oooh, I meant to mention, thanks for holding off on streaming while I had no internet, I'm back now though! |
| 12:12.47 | Ivnedar | hides |
| 12:13.13 | ZorbaTHut | I've mostly just been burning through some steam backlog, unfortunately |
| 12:13.16 | Ivnedar | unless I missed them |
| 12:13.23 | ZorbaTHut | museum stuff got busy and I haven't had brainspace to code |
| 12:13.46 | ZorbaTHut | https://secure.flickr.com/photos/digitalgamemuseum/sets/72157635220590490/ |
| 12:13.57 | ZorbaTHut | now I'm working on two exhibits simultaneously for two upcoming events >_< |
| 12:16.23 | Ivnedar | oh wow, busy |
| 12:17.37 | Ivnedar | what does adopting a game entail? |
| 12:19.02 | ZorbaTHut | it's basically a way of telling us what games you think were important. choose a game, write an optional quote, show up on: http://www.digitalgamemuseum.org/adoptions/ |
| 12:19.13 | ZorbaTHut | after donating $20 to help run the museum, of course ;) |
| 12:21.06 | Ivnedar | I was amused to see the two most prominent games on that poster |
| 12:21.23 | Ivnedar | The Dig is still my all time favourite gaming experience, and our home network and machines are named after LOOM things |
| 12:21.37 | ZorbaTHut | they're both great games :) Loom is our most-adopted-game-ever |
| 12:21.43 | ZorbaTHut | (that's why we put it on the poster :V) |
| 12:21.49 | Ivnedar | :D |
| 12:21.52 | Ivnedar | I assumed as much :) |
| 12:22.33 | ZorbaTHut | btw if you want to adopt, http://www.digitalgamemuseum.org/adopt/ we need to improve the form so it has a "comments" field, sadly - don't suppose you know any good web developers interested in some unpaid nonprofit work? :P |
| 12:26.17 | Ivnedar | I can do backend stuff, but I suck at presentation |
| 12:26.22 | Ivnedar | wife's the design person :P |
| 12:27.04 | ZorbaTHut | actually, if you're really interested, that'd work out fine - I've turned into the designer, but I know so little about javascript and website integration that it'd take me forever |
| 12:27.15 | ZorbaTHut | so if you decide you have some free time, that hurdle can be hurdled :) |
| 12:32.43 | Ivnedar | comments displayed on that page? or submitted with the donation? |
| 12:33.10 | ZorbaTHut | submitted with the donation - we get few enough adoptions that the adoption page is just coded by hand, which works fine for now |
| 12:33.33 | ZorbaTHut | I just have no idea how to do better paypal integration >_< the documentation is written for someone who has some idea what they're doing |
| 12:34.13 | ZorbaTHut | overall we need a better "donate" page in general - compare http://www.digitalgamemuseum.org/support/ to https://supporters.eff.org/donate for example - but that's a larger project |
| 12:37.03 | Ivnedar | I'll have a poke around paypal integration guides, see what's involved |
| 12:37.38 | ZorbaTHut | awesome, any assistance you could give would be fantastic :) |
| 12:55.24 | tubsawubs | ZorbaTHut: Good to hear. Does 2.4 address the flickery shadows too or is that an entirely different issue? |
| 12:55.57 | ZorbaTHut | keep in mind it's not really "address", it's "I can't duplicate the bug, but I have a theory as to what it might be, and if my theory is right, I might have fixed it" |
| 12:56.05 | ZorbaTHut | the shadows are in roughly the same category |
| 12:56.30 | ZorbaTHut | I suspect it's not fixed, honestly, but given that I still can't reproduce the stupid thing, it's sort of hard to know |
| 12:59.27 | tubsawubs | I was seing it fairly consistently last night in a specific area, I'll see if I can get a recording of it later today if that might help. |
| 13:00.15 | ZorbaTHut | what I really need is reproduction steps. unfortunately, it seems like the bug happens only after a lot of play |
| 13:00.49 | Ivnedar | used to be around 4hrs for me, but that may have coincided with doing ashora dailies at the same time each day |
| 13:01.01 | Ivnedar | now days it's a lot more hit and miss, I don't see it for days, then a few times in one night |
| 13:01.42 | Ivnedar | hrrm, would I be able to cause my client to core dump when it's happening? :P |
| 13:02.06 | Ivnedar | and upload the large file somewhere :) |
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| 13:02.20 | ZorbaTHut | I don't think we have any practical way to read a coredump like that :) |
| 13:02.28 | Ivnedar | awwh :) |
| 13:02.40 | Ivnedar | Just did that with one of our oracle storage systems |
| 13:02.44 | ZorbaTHut | I've got a few debug ideas in mind. one of them is to serialize the entire scenegraph out to disk |
| 13:02.54 | Baanano | weren't you going to add a special flag to record extra data to report? |
| 13:02.56 | ZorbaTHut | another is to add API functions to things that I think may make the problem worse |
| 13:02.59 | Ivnedar | trying to work out how to get my game state to you |
| 13:03.05 | ZorbaTHut | baanano, yeah, just haven't had time |
| 13:03.12 | ZorbaTHut | will probably happen after 2.4, if it turns out the issue still exists |
| 13:04.31 | tubsawubs | Baanano = Mr. Bananah? |
| 13:05.31 | Baanano | the one i find most of the time is the disembodiment one, happens every time after 1h - 1h30 standing next to the auctioneer |
| 13:05.38 | Ivnedar | hee hee, trying to come up with a way to save the game state :D |
| 13:06.01 | ZorbaTHut | I did fix a curious bug that could cause body parts to become invisible after a polymorph |
| 13:06.10 | Ivnedar | spoil sport! |
| 13:06.26 | ZorbaTHut | but I don't think that's going to be related |
| 13:06.38 | Ivnedar | kinda amusing if it was somehow |
| 13:06.39 | ZorbaTHut | is the disembodiment bug the one where body parts end up visible, but detached from the rest of the model? |
| 13:06.56 | Ivnedar | I've seen that one, not aware of another |
| 13:07.50 | Baanano | yes, body parts staying in the same position for the rest of the session |
| 13:08.30 | ZorbaTHut | yeah I dunno what's going on with that one |
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| 14:12.16 | tubsawubs | Whoopseydaisies. |
| 14:35.45 | Ivnedar | ZorbaTHut: looks like the only option using donation buttons is to instruct the person donating to put their comment in the "Add special instructions to recipient" box that appears on the second page of the paypal payment part |
| 14:37.49 | ZorbaTHut | hmm, that's annoying |
| 14:37.55 | Ivnedar | still looking through it |
| 14:38.13 | Ivnedar | so the comment would appear in the payment info you get, but it's not as nice as it could be |
| 14:38.27 | Ivnedar | and easy for the person donating to miss |
| 14:38.36 | Ivnedar | hrrm, unless that can be preloaded |
| 14:38.38 | Ivnedar | looks |
| 14:39.04 | ZorbaTHut | yeah :/ I know I've seen payment systems that allow for people to type in comments, but that might mean we need a more complex payment system on our end |
| 14:39.51 | Ivnedar | oh wait! |
| 14:39.57 | ZorbaTHut | although if that's what it takes, we may end up needing that anyway - we need to set up some kind of a t-shirt choosing system for the donation rewards |
| 14:40.09 | Ivnedar | there's a pass through variable, "custom" that will be returned to you as supplied by the user |
| 14:40.16 | ZorbaTHut | aha |
| 14:40.35 | Ivnedar | custom, item_number, item_number_X, invoice |
| 14:40.39 | Ivnedar | those will be passe through |
| 14:40.51 | Ivnedar | brb, putting the bins out |
| 14:41.58 | Ivnedar | so if you put in a text box with a name="custom" you should be able to preserve the comment as the user enters it |
| 14:42.17 | ZorbaTHut | that oughta work |
| 14:42.53 | Ivnedar | Happy to test it if you want :D |
| 14:42.58 | Ivnedar | bbs for real this time |
| 14:48.44 | Ivnedar | limited to 255 characters by the look of it |
| 14:49.37 | ZorbaTHut | hopefully that will be enough |
| 14:49.53 | ZorbaTHut | I suspect we will end up needing something a little heavier-weight someday, but for now, procrastination |
| 14:53.18 | ZorbaTHut | well, http://www.digitalgamemuseum.org/adopt-a-game-dup/ here's a quick clone of it for testing purposes. I think it works :V If you were planning to adopt something go ahead and give it a shot, otherwise I'll do what I normally do and turn it down to a 1-cent donation and test it from there :) |
| 14:55.25 | Ivnedar | done |
| 14:56.05 | ZorbaTHut | awesome :D now I get to see where the paypal email goes |
| 14:57.05 | Ivnedar | donations@digitalgamemusem.org |
| 14:57.11 | Ivnedar | uhh, is that typo intentional? |
| 14:57.39 | Ivnedar | (missing u at the end of museum) |
| 14:58.31 | ZorbaTHut | oh hmm. nope. |
| 14:58.55 | ZorbaTHut | where are you seeing that? |
| 14:59.10 | Ivnedar | on the donation receipt |
| 14:59.12 | Ivnedar | Donations Coordinator Contact Information |
| 14:59.12 | Ivnedar | Digital Game Museum |
| 14:59.12 | Ivnedar | donations@digitalgamemusem.org |
| 14:59.16 | ZorbaTHut | how weird, it's nowhere in the page info |
| 14:59.17 | Baanano | russians are phising your site! :O |
| 14:59.28 | ZorbaTHut | probably a paypal setting, I'll see if I can get that fixed |
| 14:59.42 | Ivnedar | probably just contact details for that account |
| 15:00.03 | Ivnedar | so you may not get the email notification, but the payment should still be in the account |
| 15:01.19 | Baanano | so are you going to give tshirts as a reward? |
| 15:01.40 | ZorbaTHut | annoying, the custom text shows up in the transaction details but not in the automated email |
| 15:01.44 | ZorbaTHut | oh well, I can live with it for now :) |
| 15:02.01 | ZorbaTHut | baanano, right now we're planning on tying them in to subscriptions/one-time donations |
| 15:02.06 | ZorbaTHut | but we need a sensible way of showing that |
| 15:02.22 | ZorbaTHut | also our director says thanks for the adoption :D |
| 15:03.14 | ZorbaTHut | hmm, that's really weird - I can't find digitalgamemusem anywhere. if there's nothing sensitive in it, can you forward me the confirmation email you got? ben@digitalgamemuseum.org |
| 15:03.52 | ZorbaTHut | aha! found it |
| 15:04.24 | Ivnedar | that's interesting, the custom field is showing up as "Subject" in the confirmation email I got |
| 15:04.52 | ZorbaTHut | huh, the actual email subject? |
| 15:05.29 | Ivnedar | in the details block "Subject line of your payment email: Still the most thoroughly enjoyable gaming experience I've ever had." |
| 15:06.09 | Ivnedar | so the receipt I get shows the game next to Purpose: |
| 15:06.13 | Ivnedar | but nothing about the custom field |
| 15:06.29 | Ivnedar | then the second email I got had that subject line, not of the email I got, but in the email |
| 15:06.32 | Ivnedar | I'll forward it, one sec |
| 15:09.03 | Baanano | hum, it's just me or the news on the frontpage cycle too fast? :P |
| 15:09.28 | ZorbaTHut | we've kinda gone back and forth on it. it's meant to be giving you an idea of what we have - you can always mouseover and/or click to stop it |
| 15:09.30 | Ivnedar | forwarded |
| 15:10.02 | ZorbaTHut | huh, that's a bit wacky. |
| 15:10.12 | ZorbaTHut | doesn't look *that* bad, at least |
| 15:23.11 | ZorbaTHut | adoption page updated :) |
| 15:24.05 | Ivnedar | did anything come through on the emails you get? |
| 15:24.32 | ZorbaTHut | the email itself annoyingly doesn't show anything, but the transaction details page that the email links to does |
| 15:24.59 | ZorbaTHut | someday I'll need to come up with a better fix but I suspect it'll end up relying on whatever we do for the donation reward system. For now, it's good enough :) |
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| 23:54.03 | watz123 | is there a way to programmatically create macros and set their keybindings? Similar to http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/SetBindingClick |