| 00:03.08 | seebs | FF14 really captures the feel of playing FF. |
| 00:03.32 | seebs | There's an unskippable cutscene at character creation which requires periodic clicking of buttons but does not give you any discernable agency for at least 10-15 minutes. |
| 00:04.40 | seebs | Two obvious improvements in their UI over Rift's: (1) only one message window has the chat interface bar, so the others don't have a big hunk of wasted space, and the chat interface doesn't teleport to another window if you scroll back in your combat log or something. (2) You can set some button bars not to change with role (or the equivalent) for things that you want on bars regardless. |
| 00:05.16 | seebs | On the other hand, by the time I can move my character in FF14, I'd be 3rd-4th level in Rift. :P |
| 00:07.05 | seebs | Also, they don't seem to have any way to import or export UI layouts, or a /help. |
| 00:14.56 | seebs | Oh, their in-game clock can also show in-game time, as well as local or server. |
| 02:44.11 | seebs | Huh. UI layouts are saved in data files, so that can be done. And it appears to be possible to generate a log file, although I have no idea what produced it. |
| 07:06.26 | Ivnedar | How's the addon api in ffxiv? :) |
| 07:12.06 | seebs | Nonexistent as of yet. There are claims that they "will be adding" some sort of addon thing, no idea what it'd be. |
| 07:12.14 | seebs | TSW has some kind of record for most-insane. It's flash. |
| 07:12.22 | seebs | Note: Not noticably sandboxed flash. |
| 07:13.12 | Ivnedar | Doesn't it have a built in wwb browser still? |
| 07:13.15 | seebs | As of now, I'm back to Minecraft because FF14 has a fancy bug wherein you can be considered "logged in" for purposes of the check that won't let you log in twice, but not for purposes of anything that could result in you being logged out. |
| 07:13.49 | seebs | So once that happens, you can never, ever, log in again. Like, 30+ hours. Supposedly they are sort of aware of it, but have not found anything to do that even clears the condition for a single player, let alone stops it. |
| 07:14.22 | Ivnedar | wow, worse than the 30 min rift one :( |
| 07:15.08 | seebs | Yeah. |
| 07:15.21 | seebs | This is an interesting mix of much more polished than Rift, and much less polished. Even comparing to Rift's beta. |
| 07:16.04 | seebs | So the good stuff is much more polished than Rift even now, but the stuff that's not as good is sort of dismal. |
| 07:16.16 | Ivnedar | Getting a lot of offline games off my "must play that when I have time off Rift" |
| 07:16.23 | Ivnedar | list |
| 07:16.32 | seebs | Heh. |
| 07:16.37 | seebs | I've been doing Minecraft. |
| 07:16.44 | seebs | There's a mod for it which adds lua-programmed turtles. |
| 07:16.50 | Ivnedar | No internet for another 8 days |
| 07:17.49 | Ivnedar | Assuming nothing goes wrong this time |
| 07:17.57 | seebs | Interesting thing they do: If you tag a mob, you get 100% XP/loot/etc from it. |
| 07:18.08 | seebs | Other players who help may or may not get partial XP, but they never reduce your XP. |
| 07:19.09 | Ivnedar | Hrrm, discourages coop |
| 07:20.40 | Ivnedar | But reduces hostility against people attacking "your" mob |
| 07:20.46 | seebs | Yeah. |
| 07:21.48 | Ivnedar | That'll hurt over populated starting areas won't it? If everyone needs to find their own mobs |
| 07:22.46 | Ivnedar | Ooh, but would give rise to wow style power levelling |
| 07:23.14 | Ivnedar | you tag all the mobs, higher level toon comes in and nukes them down for tou |
| 07:23.16 | Ivnedar | you |
| 07:33.33 | seebs | Well, you can still get quest credit at least sometimes for helping, but you have to help enough to notice. |
| 11:43.44 | Ivnedar | welp, ffxiii-2 main story done. Now for the other 10s of hours to get 100% |
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| 12:36.33 | ZorbaTHut | ivnedar, 8 days? Ouch |
| 12:37.01 | ZorbaTHut | seebs, ffxi had some really clever mechanics. I had a lot of hope for ffxiv but the launch was disastrous :/ sounds like they've improved things, though |
| 12:37.48 | Ivnedar | It's been over 10 days so far |
| 12:38.03 | Ivnedar | will miss part 2 of summerfest sadly |
| 12:39.27 | Ivnedar | wanted to tunnel rift over socks5 proxy at work over 3g phone link |
| 12:39.45 | ZorbaTHut | I'm assuming "get a new ISP" isn't an option |
| 12:39.46 | Ivnedar | but rift refuses to connect if using proxycap/widecap/etc |
| 12:40.01 | Ivnedar | moved house, so waiting for connection |
| 12:40.24 | ZorbaTHut | ahhh, yeah, that can take a bit |
| 12:40.29 | Ivnedar | should have been last week, but disagreement between isp and telco over address caused another week and a half delay :( |
| 12:40.38 | Ivnedar | all over mt vs mount in street name :( |
| 12:40.52 | ZorbaTHut | I've actually got a modem collecting dust in my parts cabinet. it gets use rarely, but this would have been one of the times :V |
| 12:40.59 | ZorbaTHut | although now I'd probably just tether my phone |
| 12:41.21 | Ivnedar | I get the external ip changed problem if I go directly over phone |
| 12:41.26 | Ivnedar | and can't tunnel it either |
| 12:41.28 | Ivnedar | so kinda stuck |
| 12:41.55 | ZorbaTHut | ah :/ |
| 12:41.56 | Ivnedar | hopefully guild still exists when I get back :) |
| 12:42.42 | Ivnedar | auth token comes from trion auth server, then passed to rift game server, since phone connection is natted, the ip is different for each connection |
| 12:43.27 | ZorbaTHut | *nod* yep, that would be a problem |
| 12:43.56 | Ivnedar | have you played To The Moon? |
| 12:45.34 | ZorbaTHut | not yet, but it's on my list. I've heard it's very good. |
| 12:46.52 | Ivnedar | ~4hrs to play through is the average from what I could see |
| 12:46.52 | purl | Ivnedar: okay |
| 12:47.08 | ZorbaTHut | oh, purl :V |
| 12:47.13 | Ivnedar | worth doing in one sitting :) |
| 12:47.18 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, I'll get to it. I want a good uninterrupted 4hrs |
| 12:47.21 | ZorbaTHut | which can sometimes be tricky to achieve :) |
| 12:47.27 | Ivnedar | :) |
| 12:52.28 | Imhothar | To The Moon is very impressive story wise |
| 12:58.57 | Thorarin | NAT'ed phone connection, wth? |
| 12:59.08 | Thorarin | Glad we don't have that here |
| 13:00.08 | Ivnedar | makes sense really, lots of devices, popping on and off the network, most not needing real ips, real ips are scarse these days |
| 13:00.30 | ZorbaTHut | I hope we actually get ipv6 common someday |
| 13:00.48 | Thorarin | Well, at least do some proper load balancing then so it doesn't change your external IP all the time |
| 13:01.05 | Ivnedar | probably same ip to the same destination |
| 13:01.13 | Ivnedar | but auth server and game server are different |
| 13:01.19 | Thorarin | -.- |
| 13:01.38 | Thorarin | Why do you want to use SOCKS btw? |
| 13:02.06 | Ivnedar | so I get single connection to work, skip the nat problem, then go out from a work ip to rift |
| 13:03.02 | Thorarin | Hmm well, I could give you a VPN account but it's in Europe, probably would kinda suck :P |
| 13:03.42 | Ivnedar | my work vpn only publishes work routes sadly, rejects traffic to anything else |
| 13:04.36 | Thorarin | Well, this is a simple PPTP one.. not very secure but might fix your problem |
| 13:04.49 | Ivnedar | fibre should be available here towards the end of the year |
| 13:05.11 | Ivnedar | so I have a week or so to wait for dsl, then a few months to wait for fibre and life should be good :) |
| 13:05.19 | Thorarin | Lucky you, here they're being slow as hell with rolling out fibre :( |
| 13:05.21 | Ivnedar | that's what I keep telling myself anyway |
| 13:05.56 | Ivnedar | I'm just hoping the govt doesn't kill the rollout in a month |
| 13:06.16 | ZorbaTHut | I'm hoping google fiber makes it to the bay area someday |
| 13:06.17 | Ivnedar | election next month, opposition hate the rollout as they didn't come up with it, they want wireless instead ... |
| 13:06.37 | Thorarin | Wireless? sigh |
| 13:06.44 | Ivnedar | well, they want fibre to the node, then up to the homeowner to decide how they get it the rest of the way |
| 13:06.58 | Ivnedar | via existing copper network, wireless, or pay to lay fibre |
| 13:07.17 | Ivnedar | they're all about short term costings |
| 13:07.55 | Ivnedar | it'll save them 10s of millions in the first year and cost them 100s of millions in a few years, but by then, it's someone else's problem :( |
| 13:10.01 | Ivnedar | oh, and the existing cable tv monopoly owner also owns half the media outlets |
| 13:10.15 | Ivnedar | so you can guess how that's going for the current government :) |
| 14:00.23 | Ivnedar | errgh, slot machine in ffxiii-2, someone kill me now |
| 14:24.30 | Ivnedar | the official strategy guide says to find something solid and wedge the controller against it so the slot machine autoplay button is held down and leave it overnight |
| 14:24.49 | Ivnedar | how on earth did someone think that would be a good thing to add into the game :( |
| 14:25.48 | Ivnedar | you can control when each of the reels stops, so you feel like it's not just rng |
| 14:26.19 | Ivnedar | except you can tell it's already decided the result before you spin because it plays the result sound before you stop any reels ... |
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| 17:17.26 | Baanano | ZorbaTHut, with 2.4 scheduled for september, what's the chance to get custom frame events before it hits live shards? In case we don't get them in time, will compatibility-mode-only for old-style events be delayed until a future patch/hotfix? |
| 17:21.20 | ZorbaTHut | not too high, although I haven't had time to compatibility-mode the old-style events either |
| 17:21.46 | ZorbaTHut | that said, note that there was never official support for custom frame events in the first place, and the unofficial implementations will probably still work with moderate tweaking |
| 17:24.12 | Baanano | ok, thanks for the update! |
| 18:14.13 | Thorarin | Guess we'll see on PTS :) |
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| 18:56.16 | Alystin | evening |
| 18:56.26 | Baanano | hi alystin |
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