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| 00:40.30 | leadguitar | uh huh, uh huh interesting |
| 00:40.45 | Noshei | what? |
| 00:41.53 | Ivnedar | trion advising people to remove microsoft security updates? |
| 00:41.56 | Ivnedar | 'cause that was interesting :P |
| 00:42.36 | Noshei | typical software company, security doesn't matter, just make our software work. |
| 00:43.14 | Ivnedar | I think the current theory is that the hole warden uses to escalate privs to watch the system was deemed a security vuln by microsoft and patched this week |
| 00:43.24 | Ivnedar | so if you updated win7 64bit, rift no longer works |
| 00:45.51 | Noshei | ffrankly if microsoft feels something is a vuln I am pretty inclinded to believe them, they have a very good record on security patching |
| 00:46.23 | Ivnedar | mix of people blaming trion and microsoft on the threads about it, it's interesting to watch :) |
| 00:47.10 | Noshei | it is tough to place blame on either side, imo |
| 00:47.31 | leadguitar | lol nice |
| 00:56.24 | Noshei | just posted my thoughs about elrars post, tldr: software compaines will do anything (including EXPLOITing the windows OS) to make their shit work, but it is never their fault when it brakes. |
| 00:56.36 | Ivnedar | :) |
| 00:57.29 | Noshei | typical software company |
| 00:58.00 | Noshei | sadly I have to deal with this kind of shit almost every day, and it is significantly worse in the healthcare sector |
| 00:59.31 | leadguitar | not the fault of the software companies that the windows os is so protectionary for the average non-computer literate person |
| 01:19.39 | Noshei | "We were depending on / reading a particular piece of data that was only set in pre-Windows 8, 64 bit versions of Windows, to determine that we really were running on a 64 bit system. After the update from Microsoft, that piece of data is no longer set / available, which caused the Rift client to think it was running on a 32 bit version of Windows (when it wasn't), resulting in a crash." -Pithos |
| 01:20.17 | Noshei | imagine that, a software company looking for something in the OS in a non standard (most likely non supported) way. |
| 01:21.02 | Ivnedar | ahh, lol |
| 01:21.18 | Ivnedar | so that security update changed something that wasn't security related? |
| 01:21.52 | Ivnedar | or a windows 8 fix was backported to windows 7 |
| 01:23.01 | Noshei | it may have been security related, hard to know just based on this little bit of information |
| 01:28.36 | leadguitar | I'm pretty sure that windows updates expand beyond regular security updates |
| 01:29.27 | Imhothar | The amount of crap in that sticky thread is overwhelming |
| 01:29.35 | leadguitar | Since at one point i was running a computer that couldn't run a particular update or else the update would lock me out of windows for being illegal >.> no clue why of course |
| 01:29.55 | Ivnedar | because the key used to activate it was on a list of known public ones |
| 01:29.58 | Ivnedar | xp sp2 I assume |
| 01:30.22 | Ivnedar | they update their list of known public keys every so often, sp2 was the big one that hit a lot of people |
| 01:31.37 | leadguitar | It was windows 7 at some point, and I was using a master oem key |
| 01:31.52 | leadguitar | but im' all legal now, since i built a new computer and bought a copy |
| 01:31.52 | Noshei | lol |
| 01:31.56 | Ivnedar | :P |
| 01:32.14 | Ivnedar | they used to download the keygens and cycle through til they repeated |
| 01:32.15 | leadguitar | I wasn't going to buy a copy of windows for a pre-built computer that came with windows but only in a "restoration partition" form just because my HD failed |
| 01:32.25 | Ivnedar | since most of the "keygens" just had a hardcoded list of public keys |
| 01:40.15 | Imhothar | wonder who came up with this weird way of determining the OS version... |
| 01:41.03 | Imhothar | it's not like if your 64bit exe was loaded on a 32bit OS |
| 01:41.32 | Ivnedar | would have thought windows would have told it to go jump before it got to that point |
| 01:43.02 | Imhothar | is it even a 64bit exe? |
| 01:43.36 | Noshei | nope3 |
| 01:43.37 | Ivnedar | not a clue |
| 01:43.51 | Noshei | windows reports it as a 32bit program |
| 01:43.59 | Imhothar | no it's not |
| 01:44.03 | Ivnedar | if it's a 32bit app, why would it care if it's running on a 64 bit system? |
| 01:44.17 | Ivnedar | error reporting maybe |
| 01:44.17 | Noshei | memory |
| 01:44.28 | Imhothar | because it can use 4GB of memory instead of just 2 |
| 01:44.58 | Ivnedar | minus graphic memory I assume still? |
| 01:45.03 | Ivnedar | since it needs to be mapped in |
| 01:45.24 | Imhothar | not necessarily |
| 01:46.25 | Imhothar | depends on the driver, but if done properly only the DMA region is mapped |
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| 07:41.42 | Ivnedar | ZorbaTHut: did the "make the flickering worse" debug options get put in? |
| 07:42.08 | ZorbaTHut | no, that'll be 2.4 at earliest |
| 07:42.12 | Ivnedar | ok |
| 07:42.28 | ZorbaTHut | right now there's so much that has changed in the rendering pipeline for 2.4 that any tests I could do on 2.3 will be largely irrelevant :V |
| 07:42.30 | Ivnedar | not that I could test it yet, was just curious :) |
| 07:42.35 | Ivnedar | fair enough :D |
| 07:42.42 | Ivnedar | <-- internetless at home |
| 07:42.57 | Ivnedar | problem between isp and telco getting dsl connected |
| 07:43.02 | ZorbaTHut | actually, just yesterday someone sent a crash report to me saying "hey, I think this is in your area, take a look at this and see if you can fix it" |
| 07:43.14 | ZorbaTHut | I'd already rewritten that entire segment of code nearly from scratch :V |
| 07:43.25 | Ivnedar | I don't suppose causing rift to crash and generate a report when it's flickering would be of any use? |
| 07:43.41 | Ivnedar | probably not enough state in it |
| 07:43.55 | ZorbaTHut | not really, no |
| 07:44.25 | ZorbaTHut | to be honest I'm still not sure entirely what *will* be of use - might be that I need a snapshot of the entire render hierarchy, and I have no idea how to get that in a useful fashion on a release build. |
| 07:44.51 | Ivnedar | telco's automated provisioning system required that my new address have Mt in it instead of Mount, but then when it went to provision it, rejected it because the address is Mount, not Mt. |
| 07:45.40 | Ivnedar | Happy to run a different build if that'd help :P |
| 07:45.45 | Ivnedar | And you were allowed to release one |
| 07:46.00 | Ivnedar | Probably more trouble than it |
| 07:46.03 | Ivnedar | 's worth |
| 07:47.11 | Ivnedar | post on the thread saying it happens to some of the dev team too? |
| 07:48.02 | Ivnedar | would make life easier for you if it could be reproduced in house I imagine |
| 07:49.31 | ZorbaTHut | it's happened a few times, but never on a debug client :/ it's just a nasty bug fundamentally |
| 07:50.01 | Ivnedar | extra, hidden slash command that dumped render hierachy to a file that could be submitted to trion? |
| 07:50.17 | Ivnedar | maybe only enabled when using a super secret command line option |
| 07:50.44 | ZorbaTHut | problem is that some of the render hierarchy data is stuff we might not want to be public ;) but I'll figure something out |
| 07:50.57 | Ivnedar | encrypt it with half a key pair |
| 07:51.10 | Ivnedar | so it's useless to anyone but you |
| 07:51.26 | ZorbaTHut | and that's the point where I say "yeah, but that takes a lot of work" :V |
| 07:51.30 | Ivnedar | :D |
| 07:51.30 | ZorbaTHut | might be what we end up doing, though |
| 07:52.08 | Ivnedar | Ah well, if there is anything I can try, let me know, happens often enough for me |
| 07:52.18 | ZorbaTHut | yup, will do. hopefully after 2.4 :) |
| 07:53.23 | Ivnedar | I had a chuckle at someone posting uspto forms showing Blizzard registering the name "Corgis Unleashed" |
| 07:53.34 | Ivnedar | I thought that'd have to be a Trion name |
| 07:53.58 | Ivnedar | coincided with someone starting a thread for guessing the Rift 3.0 name :D |
| 07:54.15 | Ivnedar | http://teas.uspto.gov/forms/xslt.service?xsl=input&stamp=USPTO/FTK-64.71.21.238-20130814120043649151-eTEAS-5002254c2c79d6aec8bf777b67318fc458a605d98a3ad9671ba654fed544b2367f |
| 07:54.26 | Ivnedar | turns out you can submit any info you want to those forms then link back to them |
| 07:54.56 | ZorbaTHut | hah |
| 07:55.06 | Ivnedar | Corgis Unleashed has a nice ring to it |
| 07:55.33 | ZorbaTHut | Corgi Simulator 2015 |
| 07:55.39 | ZorbaTHut | the world's most accurate corgi simulation package |
| 07:56.01 | Ivnedar | Steam Greenlight would be all over that |
| 07:56.25 | Ivnedar | The scary thing is, it'd probably make some money |
| 07:57.02 | Ivnedar | I was amazed that Street Cleaning Simulator was made |
| 07:57.23 | Ivnedar | People only buying it to have fun with its broken physics engine :D |
| 07:58.14 | Ivnedar | GameSpot review says "Street Cleaning Simulator could only be considered a simulator in a world where the rules of gravity don't apply" |
| 08:00.16 | Ivnedar | which made me think of rift's 150% mounts and pebbles problem :D |
| 08:00.54 | ZorbaTHut | you think that's bad, there's a dev command that increases your speed by up to 600% |
| 08:00.59 | Ivnedar | lol |
| 08:01.00 | ZorbaTHut | you spend most of your time airborne :V |
| 08:01.14 | Ivnedar | I assume it's something to do with avoiding clipping stairs? |
| 08:01.24 | ZorbaTHut | no, it's just physics, realy |
| 08:01.32 | ZorbaTHut | if you hit a ramp while traveling quickly you go flying |
| 08:01.33 | Ivnedar | it jumps your position up a little, but that motion causes momentum that flings you |
| 08:02.24 | ZorbaTHut | in "reality" anything you're traveling on has shock absorbers - hell, the ground acts as a shock absorber - but in a physics world without shock absorbers, hitting even a tiny totally non-moving pebble means you go flying. |
| 08:03.08 | Ivnedar | I'm guessing that's on a big long todo list too :) |
| 08:03.37 | ZorbaTHut | honestly, it's a small enough issue that I'm not sure anyone really cares about it. running into pebbles seems to be rare |
| 08:03.57 | Ivnedar | Most complaints are about getting to npcs up ramps |
| 08:04.00 | Ivnedar | That I've seen |
| 08:04.09 | Ivnedar | and people have resorted to going backwards up ramps |
| 08:04.34 | Ivnedar | It's amusing to watch people go backwards up the ramp to talk to the mote quest npc in achyati village :D |
| 08:04.44 | ZorbaTHut | hah, that's funny |
| 08:04.45 | Ivnedar | people have learnt not to ride up to him mounted |
| 08:04.50 | ZorbaTHut | I suspect the ramp is just too steep |
| 08:04.59 | Ivnedar | K'Romm's Fortress is a little less fun |
| 08:05.05 | Ivnedar | Since overshooting that takes you off a cliff |
| 08:05.54 | Ivnedar | It would be fine if we weren't so stubborn about not wanting to dismount |
| 08:06.13 | Ivnedar | I could spend 5 mins getting close enough to an npc on a ramp by backing up, which would take me 5s to do on foot |
| 08:06.27 | Ivnedar | "I'm going to get there damnit" |
| 08:06.51 | Ivnedar | dynamically adjusting mount speed would be interesting |
| 08:07.00 | Ivnedar | ui widget that can go from 60% to fasted available mount speed |
| 08:07.14 | Ivnedar | you get to keep the slow mounts for artifact hunting |
| 08:07.18 | Ivnedar | can throttle down for ramps |
| 08:08.32 | Ivnedar | and someone could make an addon that controls mount speed that looks like a throttle :D |
| 08:08.54 | Ivnedar | or, keybind foot pedals to mount speed controls! |
| 08:09.13 | Ivnedar | I'm making myself want what was a silly idea more now :( |
| 08:09.18 | Ivnedar | To the suggestion forums! |
| 08:16.15 | seebs | I seem to recall Laeris was really unhappy with how "bouncy" the 150% mounts were. |
| 09:34.38 | Ivnedar | I assume NA shards are up |
| 09:34.51 | Ivnedar | and that it's mobile client and my connection that are both broken :( |
| 09:35.12 | Ivnedar | trying to rig up a socks proxy over ssh over 3g so I can play rift :( |
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| 19:01.10 | Thorarin | You can do it mounted, run into the tent at the right angle ;p |
| 19:01.19 | Thorarin | @ <Ivnedar> people have learnt not to ride up to him mounted |
| 20:44.26 | Imhothar | sigh, it's really annoying when a game company doesn't even care to replace the controller button images on their PC ports |
| 20:51.10 | seebs | ... Was this a pinball game, perhaps? Because I just saw someone complaining about that yesterday in another channel. |
| 20:51.36 | Imhothar | no |
| 20:55.10 | Imhothar | they even have key kustomization... |
| 21:06.05 | Imhothar | best thing is when the tutorial texts also contain only the controller buttons and not the actual keys as configured |
| 21:09.58 | Imhothar | even the the in-game help popups? oh come, on where's your QA |
| 21:21.51 | Imhothar | figuring out how to play this game is a game in itself |
| 21:24.15 | Imhothar | oh it's actually possible to switch to keyboard tips |
| 21:24.22 | Imhothar | with a frickin command line option |
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| 22:27.20 | Thorarin | lol, command line option to get accurate help? :P |
| 22:27.45 | Thorarin | Anyway, reboot for the infamous KB285something :P |
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| 23:15.31 | fraz | could someone explain how to create a frame element, like a black box for example, behind normal ui elements instead of in front? |