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| 00:22.12 | seebs | Baanano: I want a feature in BananAH to let me share auction databases with other players. Make it so! |
| 00:22.36 | Noshei | lol, doubt that will happen, that is a TON of information |
| 00:38.17 | Noshei | whats the best way to have a single large framme that you scroll up and down, but it only shows part of that large frame. Would a mask be the only option? |
| 00:38.31 | ZorbaBeta | yeah, mask would be intended for that |
| 00:39.09 | Noshei | so would the mask be the viewable area? |
| 00:39.29 | ZorbaBeta | yup |
| 00:39.57 | Noshei | and then I just set the patent for my frame to the mask? |
| 00:40.12 | Imhothar | you should be careful with patents |
| 00:40.33 | Ivnedar | hey, if the process may make someone else some money, may as well patent it |
| 00:40.34 | Ivnedar | get your cut |
| 00:40.53 | Noshei | *parent |
| 00:41.14 | Ivnedar | that's less fun |
| 00:48.02 | Noshei | damn patent trools, get you every time! |
| 00:50.53 | seebs | I have a library for the common case where what I really want is a scrolling list of items. |
| 01:06.03 | Noshei | displaying frames is so expensive |
| 01:07.44 | Noshei | just displaying 150ish frames is putting me at 1.5% CPU usage |
| 01:14.54 | ZorbaBeta | it's going to strongly depend on what frames are being displayed and what you're doing with them. masks, for example, can be pretty expensive - one is reasonable, lots is terrible |
| 01:16.25 | seebs | Hey, Zorba, you got a moment? I have a small flurry of questions. |
| 01:17.04 | seebs | Mostly pertaining to consoles and chat. |
| 01:17.21 | ZorbaBeta | sure, although most questions involving chat are probably going to be "not yet implemented" |
| 01:17.39 | seebs | Is the format of the "channels" table from Inspect.Console.Detail documented anywhere? |
| 01:17.52 | seebs | Do we have any way to find out what colors are used for a given channel or message type? |
| 01:18.41 | seebs | I am toying with trying to do a thing which *simulates* chat-capable addons, by allowing players who run this addon to get messages shoved into appropriate console windows as though they were on a given channel. But I think my abilities fall just short of actually accomplishing that. |
| 01:18.55 | ZorbaBeta | I think the channels table is just a relatively simple list of names of channels you're reading |
| 01:19.02 | ZorbaBeta | I don't remember offhand, though |
| 01:19.14 | ZorbaBeta | shouldn't be difficult to just dump it and figure it out, however |
| 01:19.31 | seebs | That was going to be the other question: With Command.Message.Broadcast, I don't know what type of thing to put for "target" to send to a channel. |
| 01:19.48 | seebs | e.g., name or channel # or what. |
| 01:19.58 | ZorbaBeta | if I recall correctly, it's name |
| 01:20.03 | seebs | I noticed that channel #s now go up to 30, and they appear to be constant across all chat windows. |
| 01:20.15 | ZorbaBeta | huh, they do? interesting, i wonder if that's going to break stuff |
| 01:20.23 | ZorbaBeta | so uh it should be name, but there may be bugs there. hopefully not! |
| 01:20.35 | seebs | I don't know when it changed. Pretty sure it was 1-9 for a long time, but I recently /join'd an extra channel, and got 10. |
| 01:20.42 | seebs | And then I looked in the macro help, and it now goes to 30. |
| 01:21.01 | seebs | FWIW, I would *kill* for the ability to receive non-addon chat messages, and/or send them. Well. Hmm. I'd maim. Or possibly insult. |
| 01:21.05 | Ivnedar | changed back in 2.0 I thought |
| 01:21.13 | ZorbaBeta | it was actually 1-0 for a while - we had some really nasty code where channel 10 would be shown as channel 0 |
| 01:21.14 | seebs | Could be. I only noticed it pretty recently. |
| 01:21.29 | seebs | I sort of wish I could reclaim channels 2 and 3. |
| 01:21.36 | ZorbaBeta | I would be quite happy if that were gone :V |
| 01:21.38 | ZorbaBeta | afk for a bit, food |
| 01:21.39 | seebs | Trade is nigh-useless, and I don't even know what 2 is actually for. |
| 01:21.41 | seebs | Eat good! |
| 01:22.01 | Ivnedar | hey, someone used trade chat yesterday! |
| 01:22.07 | Ivnedar | I'd forgotten it even existed |
| 01:22.11 | seebs | FWIW, a forward-thinking thing: It would be nice if, were normal chat to show up, it interacted cleanly with the existing message API. |
| 01:22.30 | Imhothar | like, the chat channel? sure it wasn't a delusion? |
| 01:22.40 | seebs | I occasionally see people talking about trade in it, even. |
| 01:22.43 | Ivnedar | It may well have been a delusion |
| 01:22.50 | seebs | 1-29 has done a good job of soaking up the religion/politics/gay-bashing content. |
| 01:22.53 | Ivnedar | Normally people troll crossevents with trade stuff |
| 01:23.03 | seebs | Although to be fair, Rift has less gay-bashing than I usually saw in WoW, mostly we get racism and sexism. |
| 01:23.09 | Ivnedar | 50-59 is mostly rape threats/chat now days on laethys |
| 01:23.17 | seebs | Yeah. |
| 01:23.19 | Ivnedar | sometimes religion |
| 01:23.25 | seebs | Honestly... |
| 01:23.28 | Ivnedar | haven't seen any politics or gay bashing |
| 01:23.43 | seebs | At this point, the complete lack of ANY visible response to that from Trion is why I haven't bought more credits since the F2P conversion. |
| 01:24.07 | seebs | I want to see *any acknowledgement at all* of the issue, and some kind of indication of whether they think it might conceivably merit some kind of action or change. |
| 01:24.41 | seebs | I recognize that they can't magically fix it all, but I would not mind some kind of purple-name post on the forums on the topic of "are rape threats 100% A-OK as long as they don't technically trigger the profanity filter?" |
| 01:25.11 | seebs | And actually, I strongly suspect that they *do* occasionally do something. Either that, or a whole lot of people who were doing more of that in the past suddenly quit for a week or two. |
| 01:25.22 | seebs | But without any public indication of whether anything happens, there's no way for people to evaluate that. |
| 01:25.36 | Ivnedar | yeah, so more and more take part |
| 01:25.41 | Ivnedar | since that's what the 'cool kids' are doing |
| 01:27.28 | seebs | And all it'd take is one post from Daglar or someone saying "yes, we do occasionally hand out suspensions or chat squelches, no, we're not giving details, but it does happen, and here is a non-exhaustive list of things for which we have done so recently…" |
| 01:27.56 | seebs | Just so people have some idea whether, say, the official policy is that saying "fuck" isn't allowed, but making Holocaust jokes is fine because hey, who cares if a few Jews complain? |
| 01:28.12 | seebs | And I am pretty sure that's *not* the policy, but there is no way for us to tell from the outside. |
| 01:31.13 | Ivnedar | policy vs enforced policy |
| 01:31.13 | Ivnedar | etc |
| 01:44.05 | seebs | Wonder when Canvas will show up. I have horrible ideas. |
| 02:15.30 | Noshei | soon I hope |
| 02:18.01 | Imhothar | http://forums.riftgame.com/technical-discussions/addons-macros-ui/304519-addon-imhothars-bags-5.html#post4368680 |
| 02:18.05 | Imhothar | one has to love such people |
| 02:18.37 | Noshei | which one? |
| 02:36.48 | Ivnedar | Imhothar: Why haven't you fixed the tooltip problem?? |
| 02:37.04 | Ivnedar | Surely you'd have haxed ZorbaBeta's access to their repo and fixed it by now |
| 02:37.32 | Imhothar | that's why I started relaying all those comments about tooltips here |
| 02:37.35 | Imhothar | whcih reminds me |
| 02:37.51 | Imhothar | ZorbaBeta: how is the tooltip issue not fixed by now? |
| 02:38.07 | ZorbaBeta | if you keep doing that, all you're going to accomplish is me ignoring your requests :P |
| 02:38.37 | Noshei | lmfao |
| 02:38.39 | Imhothar | I was hoping for annoying you so much you fix it to silence me :p |
| 02:38.53 | Ivnedar | Not when there's a quicker and easier way to silence you I guess ;) |
| 02:39.32 | Imhothar | Wish those sites/forums had a feature to autodelete all posts containing the word "tooltip'" |
| 02:40.07 | Ivnedar | I guess it would also not accomplish anything if you had everyone who complained complain to trion instead |
| 02:41.48 | Imhothar | Zorba needs outsourcing, that's all |
| 02:42.40 | Ivnedar | Downside would be having to spend more time validating the code you get back than it would have taken to write it himself |
| 02:43.01 | Imhothar | depends on how much time it takes to actually find the bug |
| 02:43.22 | ZorbaBeta | I will admit that some of the weirder rendering problems are thanks to part of the UI layer being implemented by someone else who didn't have quite as much grasp of the system as he should have :/ |
| 02:44.37 | Noshei | gotta love people that know their job just enough to cause problems |
| 02:46.23 | ZorbaBeta | 'course I also really wish I hadn't ended up doing everything through scaleform :/ you'd lose out on some of the Rift* elements, but gain much faster rendering and more predictable text. So it goes. |
| 02:47.18 | Ivnedar | Guessing it's way too late to change now |
| 02:47.24 | ZorbaBeta | yup |
| 02:47.40 | Ivnedar | Unless you maintain two layers and phase out the scaleform one over time |
| 02:47.43 | Ivnedar | but meh @ that |
| 02:47.53 | ZorbaBeta | for one thing, I'd need to reimplement RiftWindow, etc, or have a nasty flag-day where everything breaks |
| 03:13.02 | Ivnedar | I wonder if Drinks with the Devs will be flagged pvp |
| 03:21.48 | Imhothar | Why don't people read addon descriptions |
| 03:26.52 | Imhothar | if people just weren't so damn lazy |
| 03:29.04 | Ivnedar | damnit, developers enabled foreign language support in this app we're meant to support |
| 03:29.11 | Ivnedar | so we're getting screenshots sent in that we can't read |
| 03:29.15 | Ivnedar | asking for help |
| 03:29.29 | Ivnedar | wonder if I can find the error strings in the locale files to work out what it says |
| 03:29.40 | Imhothar | as long as its latin you can guess with a translator |
| 03:29.44 | Ivnedar | nope |
| 03:29.53 | Ivnedar | this page seems to be a mix of korean and japanese |
| 03:29.59 | Ivnedar | from looking at the characters |
| 03:30.08 | Ivnedar | but since I'm far from an expert in either, that could be completely off |
| 03:30.17 | Imhothar | well have fun |
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| 05:39.14 | seebs | Hmm. |
| 05:40.42 | seebs | I suppose the thing is, if stuff weren't going through scaleform, you couldn't easily do things like have non-scaleform stuff in between layers of scaleform stuff, so there'd be non-interaction issues. So either everything has to be reimplemented, or we have a new and an old system that can't really coexist. |
| 05:44.52 | seebs | I wonder whether it might be reasonable, though, to have a thing which can go either in front of or behind the entire scaleform UI, and which can bypass some of the performance hits, which we could use for some stuff that's being performance-critical and where that limitation isn't fatal. |
| 05:44.55 | Noshei | ZorbaBeta: I think I'm realizing why you use spaces to indent instead of tab, it saves a ton os room. |
| 05:47.54 | seebs | Huh, I just thought of a crazy thing. |
| 05:48.07 | seebs | How would people feel about a fancy in-game API doc viewer? |
| 05:48.39 | Ivnedar | doo eeet |
| 05:48.40 | seebs | 'cuz we have this machine-readable format, and we should be able to make a browser of it. |
| 05:48.42 | ZorbaBeta | seebs, actually, that's not a big issue - we're already doing the scaleform layers in our own code |
| 05:48.52 | ZorbaBeta | putting things "in between" wouldn't have been much of a problem |
| 05:48.55 | seebs | Ahh, okay. |
| 05:49.04 | seebs | I just realized that /man -k Event |
| 05:49.07 | ZorbaBeta | the real issue is just that it's not worth implementing an entire new rendering layer now that we have one mostly-working. |
| 05:49.09 | seebs | or /man Event.Storage.Get |
| 05:49.11 | Ivnedar | though, in game api doc viewer would need to remember if it was open/closed, what page it was up to, etc over a reloadui |
| 05:49.13 | seebs | would be super useful. |
| 05:49.17 | Ivnedar | or it'd be really annoying to get back to |
| 05:49.19 | Noshei | ZorbaBeta: any chance of adding SetGlowEffect to normal Frames and the canvas frame once it is done? |
| 05:49.20 | seebs | Well, that's… really easy. |
| 05:49.38 | ZorbaBeta | noshei, nope! sorry. the original plan was that it *would* be on the normal frames, but it turns out scaleform doesn't support that. |
| 05:49.42 | seebs | The hard part is mostly in the pretty-printing, because the HTML subset we get can't do a heck of a lot of things. |
| 05:49.50 | Noshei | ah darn |
| 05:49.51 | ZorbaBeta | ended up text-only simply because that's the only thing scaleform permits. |
| 05:49.53 | seebs | I'm actually not sure it has anything but <font color=""> |
| 05:50.20 | seebs | Oh, and <a> which can link to addon code, as I recall. |
| 05:50.33 | Ivnedar | oh nice, $13.50 for borderlands 2 today |
| 05:50.36 | seebs | Although that's the main thing I want. |
| 05:50.39 | seebs | Oooh. |
| 05:50.43 | ZorbaBeta | in theory <b> <i> and <u> are permitted, but I'm not sure they work. I think I left them undocumented. |
| 05:51.12 | seebs | I just realized, this makes a really good case for writing an editor layer which emulates the behavior of a textfield but is really a text. |
| 05:51.15 | seebs | Because. |
| 05:51.34 | seebs | The editor could do things like make API things into clickable links, without actually embedding the clickable things in the data it was rendering. |
| 05:51.43 | Ivnedar | hooray, my upgrade finished finally, was meant to be saturday morning finish, it's now late monday arvo |
| 05:52.02 | seebs | That would be sorta fun. Hmm. Also sorta expensive. |
| 05:52.42 | seebs | BTW, if anyone here isn't already using RiftRC or something similar, I want to point out how fantastically useful it's been to have a thing which can run and edit arbitrary lua code in game. |
| 05:52.54 | seebs | Especially something that can run code automatically on startup. |
| 05:53.45 | seebs | A lot of the things that I used to find annoying would be basically solved at this point except for underlying limitations, like the lack of any way to either discern whether logging is on, or turn it on unconditionally. |
| 05:54.40 | seebs | And I have done a ton of little one-off things like a thing which scans the mailbox and tells me how much plat is in it. |
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| 07:52.05 | Alystin | morning |
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| 08:40.22 | Matti32 | hiho |
| 08:42.05 | Alystin | morning |
| 08:45.10 | Matti32 | I have a problem. I try to completely scan the auction house but get an error message: |
| 08:45.20 | Matti32 | Error: Too much CPU usage, killing addon execution |
| 08:46.06 | Alystin | Which addon? |
| 08:46.19 | Matti32 | my own |
| 08:47.16 | Alystin | ah... hm. You may want to ask Baanano about that^^ |
| 08:47.28 | Matti32 | hehe |
| 08:47.52 | Matti32 | i think i must work with Query.Handler, but no idea how it works |
| 09:12.05 | Adelea | You do a command.auction.scan(), then handle the resulting Event.Auction.Scan ? |
| 09:12.56 | Adelea | i imagine its the Event part that gets you killed? |
| 09:15.29 | Matti32 | yes its the event part (Event.Auction.Scan) |
| 09:15.48 | Adelea | i would do it in a coroutine |
| 09:16.05 | Adelea | so you can essentially pause the loop iteration in the middle |
| 09:17.18 | Matti32 | ok, do you know the command? |
| 09:17.36 | Adelea | you'd need to setup some supporting code first. let me dig something up |
| 09:17.39 | Adelea | give me a few mins! |
| 09:17.45 | Matti32 | kk, thx |
| 09:24.23 | Adelea | http://pastebin.com/ZvWFiCxu |
| 09:24.46 | Adelea | let me know if you want me to explain it =) |
| 09:25.52 | Matti32 | wow thanks, I will try to understand |
| 09:26.30 | Adelea | its fairly simple in essence. |
| 09:27.16 | Adelea | Every frame we wake up (via the Event_System_Update_Begin) and if the coroutine is alive, we restart it - via the resume |
| 09:27.50 | Adelea | the UpdateHandler function scans to see if we have any auction results (number of entries in the AUCTIONRES... table is >0) |
| 09:28.20 | Adelea | if there, we jump into the processAuctionResults(), and work on the oldest entry in the table |
| 09:28.52 | Adelea | every loop through the table, check to see if we have at least 0.03 (oops! that 0.3 in the code should be 0.03) seconds left, and if so we do something |
| 09:28.59 | Adelea | if we dont have enough time, then we yield |
| 09:29.30 | Adelea | so, next time the handler wakes up - next frame - when we resume, since we are in the process loop, thats where we pick up and carry on |
| 09:30.06 | Adelea | if we had no auction results, then processAuctionResults() wouldnt be the thing that yielded, it would be the UpdateHandler() - so we would resume in that loop |
| 09:30.47 | Adelea | The only other thing we do, is when we get a Scan result event, we just save the parameters into the table as the 1st entry |
| 09:32.08 | Matti32 | wow nice, thank you very much for your help |
| 09:33.01 | Adelea | yw, coroutines are a very useful tool to have to hand - esp if you are doing something that could take a while! |
| 09:34.59 | Adelea | it only takes me receiving one daily email alert that something has been killed due to performance, for me to move the whole thing into a coro =) |
| 09:35.23 | Matti32 | hehe |
| 09:35.51 | Matti32 | I did not even know coroutines, very useful |
| 10:02.34 | Adelea | Matti32 - found another problem with my example - this is what it should look like : table.remove(AUCTIONRESULTSTOSCAN, #AUCTIONRESULTSTOSCAN) |
| 10:10.36 | Matti32 | yes, I've also found. it may be that there are also a logical problem. I think he drop the entire table before it has passed through all the auctions. |
| 10:11.36 | Adelea | hmm, it shouldnt do.. my simple test is processing 17,677 auctions |
| 10:11.58 | Adelea | mind you, i dont know that is all of them ofc! im not going to check =P |
| 10:12.19 | Matti32 | ok, probably an error on my part |
| 10:14.22 | Adelea | just put something in to write how many results there are in the event_auction_scan results table, and it matches with the number processed by the coro |
| 10:16.51 | Matti32 | ok, my fault.. now it works! |
| 10:17.08 | Adelea | ok good - and now no perf warning either hopefully ? |
| 10:18.02 | Matti32 | no.. a the framerate drops.. but this is not a problem ;) |
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| 10:18.20 | Matti32 | thanks again |
| 10:20.13 | Adelea | you could adjust the 0.03 value up to say 0.06, see if that makes a diff. will take longer to process everything ofc, but that could be ok |
| 10:21.15 | Adelea | but that said, slower execution + slight frame freeze is much better than being killed off |
| 10:22.18 | Solsis00 | Hey Adelea.. what is a coroutine essentially? |
| 10:22.53 | Solsis00 | I've heard/seen people reference them before. And presumably they are better for performance. |
| 10:22.58 | Adelea | a parallel execution |
| 10:23.16 | Adelea | but it can be suspended + resumed |
| 10:23.33 | Imhothar | scratch the "parallel" thing |
| 10:23.38 | Imhothar | don't even start using the word! |
| 10:23.52 | Adelea | well, parallel doesnt mean simultaneous necessarily! |
| 10:23.56 | Imhothar | a coroutine is a resumable function |
| 10:24.08 | Imhothar | but the word implies too much |
| 10:24.12 | Imhothar | danger danger! |
| 10:24.21 | Solsis00 | danger will robinson |
| 10:24.48 | Imhothar | a coroutine allows you to split a long running function into separate pieces |
| 10:24.58 | Solsis00 | So Imhothar.. what would be a good reason or an example of what you would use one for? |
| 10:25.27 | Imhothar | the function itself decides where to yield and some outer controlling code decides when to continue. there is no multithreading involved, it's all in the UI thread |
| 10:25.33 | Adelea | the one Matti had was a good example. he was processing a lot of auction house results, and the watchdog was killing his addon |
| 10:25.35 | Imhothar | oh I have plenty |
| 10:25.57 | Imhothar | when the game bombards me with 2000 item updates I have to split the processing between multiple frames otherwise the WATCHDOG barks |
| 10:25.58 | Adelea | so by moving the processing to a seperate resumable function, it could suspend itself periodically, then resume in another frame |
| 10:26.29 | Imhothar | frame = game update, as in fps |
| 10:26.32 | Adelea | the state of the function is preserved when it yields, so when it resumes, it carries on exactly as when it left off - mid loop etc |
| 10:27.05 | Solsis00 | for a unit frame addon though that would essentially slow down updates though. |
| 10:27.34 | Imhothar | I have quite a lot of fucntions where a loop yields after running for X milliseconds. on the next frame the function is resumed until it runs for another X milliseconds and so on. This is all to prevent performance warnings/errors |
| 10:27.35 | Adelea | idd. but you probably arent getting 1000s of updates every game frame that you need to deal with |
| 10:27.36 | Solsis00 | what I would like to split though is the range checks. Cause they are eating me up and they don't need to update as much or as fast as like health updates |
| 10:27.57 | Imhothar | I don't think you need a coroutine |
| 10:28.09 | Imhothar | the problem is having a single game event report tons of changes |
| 10:28.18 | Solsis00 | can i use a second timer? |
| 10:28.32 | Solsis00 | to slow down the range checking? |
| 10:28.39 | Imhothar | as in one single Event.Item.Slot with 1000 items because the player dared to open the guild bank |
| 10:28.50 | Imhothar | you could have a look at LibChron |
| 10:28.53 | Adelea | using local references to the math functions may help a little... local math_sqrt = math.sqrt |
| 10:29.00 | Imhothar | it's basically timers and recurring events |
| 10:29.00 | Solsis00 | right.. yea.. i'm definately not doing anything like that..... yet |
| 10:29.43 | Solsis00 | hmmm... I'll take a look at it.. though that's something else I haven't introduced myself to much.. I'm not really sure how to utilize other people's libraries. |
| 10:30.05 | Solsis00 | guess if they are documented it isn't as hard... LibSimpleWidgets was done really well :) |
| 10:30.58 | Imhothar | no idea how up to date it is regarding the new event system |
| 10:31.01 | Imhothar | seebs could tell |
| 10:31.17 | Solsis00 | yea.. That has been a concern of mine as well. |
| 10:31.25 | Adelea | it uses frame events, so there isnt that much change that would be visible to users of it would there? |
| 10:31.48 | Solsis00 | another reason I'm leary about other people's stuff. I'm slowly converting all my events to the new system myself. |
| 10:31.57 | Imhothar | It's System.Update.Begin, but if it's not updated for the new events it's gonna break |
| 10:32.11 | Solsis00 | yea but that's easy enough to just update myself |
| 10:32.24 | Imhothar | but it's just a single file so should be easy to spot |
| 10:32.25 | Solsis00 | I can change the events in the lib |
| 10:32.29 | Solsis00 | yea |
| 10:32.52 | Solsis00 | I'm no where near as advanced at this stuff as some of you. But i'm learning. |
| 10:34.10 | Imhothar | It helps to get a standalone LuaJIT interpreter and just toy around |
| 10:34.48 | Solsis00 | Where could I do that? |
| 10:35.16 | Imhothar | where ever google points you when you search for LuaJIT |
| 10:35.39 | Imhothar | tho it can be just Lua |
| 10:35.50 | Imhothar | LuaJIT is only necessary when you want to do performacne tests |
| 10:36.09 | Imhothar | but for syntax/algorithm checks plain Lua is good enough |
| 10:44.41 | Imhothar | aaaah disaster!! |
| 10:44.49 | Imhothar | enter doesn't work in LuaPad |
| 10:45.11 | Adelea | http://www.riftui.com/downloads/info99-LuaPad.html#comments |
| 10:45.29 | Ivnedar | heh heh, update it to look for the key Return instead of whatever it was looking for before isn't it? |
| 10:45.41 | Adelea | i fixed my local copy months ago,a nd posted the change on riftui |
| 10:46.03 | Imhothar | aah well was just about fixing it myself. though LuaPad will need a rewrite after the new event system |
| 10:47.59 | Imhothar | aha nice, calling Inspect.Documentation() kills the client |
| 10:48.50 | Imhothar | ZorbaBeta: you might think about removing the parameterless overload of Inspect.Documentation() since it takes so long it kills the client |
| 10:49.36 | Imhothar | or make it only return a list of available docs instead of *everything* |
| 10:49.45 | Imhothar | just a thought |
| 12:14.37 | seebs | all_documentables = Inspect.Documentation() |
| 12:14.51 | seebs | DocExporter does that on every load, I've never even seen a hiccup. |
| 12:15.07 | seebs | Maybe I should move it into the slash command or something. |
| 12:15.08 | Imhothar | oh well, it failed in LuaPad |
| 12:15.16 | seebs | Interesting! |
| 12:15.32 | seebs | Now I am sort of curious as to how it would work in RiftRC. |
| 12:15.40 | Imhothar | maybe that was just the printing though |
| 12:17.19 | seebs | Ahh, yeah. That would do it. |
| 14:04.56 | Solsis00 | how would one go about getting the screen resolution of a player? |
| 14:05.33 | Ivnedar | UIParent:GetWidth() UIParent:GetHeight() |
| 14:09.12 | Solsis00 | Nice. 2+2.. I should have known that. I used UIParent to center the stupid thing.. ugh |
| 14:10.45 | Solsis00 | Thanks Ivnedar |
| 14:10.53 | Ivnedar | no prob :) |
| 14:14.16 | Solsis00 | ugh... So.. I want to use leftclick to move the frame but it is currently centered to the screen. The clicking and the moving work but the coords aren't right |
| 14:14.45 | Solsis00 | it works if I use TOPLEFT TOPLEFT |
| 14:14.56 | Solsis00 | so I know it is because of the CENTER CENTER |
| 14:19.47 | Ivnedar | I've always grabbed the mouse location on left click and offset the frame coords by the mouse delta |
| 14:19.55 | Ivnedar | instead of trying to get the frame to stick to the mouse |
| 14:29.08 | Solsis00 | I really hate trying to figure out the math for this. lol |
| 14:29.16 | Solsis00 | what do you mean by mouse delta? |
| 14:29.38 | Ivnedar | on mouse down event, grab current location |
| 14:29.46 | Ivnedar | on mouse move event, grab new location |
| 14:30.15 | Ivnedar | deltax = newx - oldx, deltay = newy - oldy |
| 14:30.24 | Ivnedar | then change frame position by deltax, deltay |
| 14:30.36 | Ivnedar | update old coords, repeat |
| 14:31.05 | Ivnedar | so if the mouse moves 5 pixels left, move the frame 5 pixels left |
| 14:31.32 | Solsis00 | I think I understand. Gonna try it.. one sec. |
| 14:32.48 | Solsis00 | wow... |
| 14:32.53 | Solsis00 | much better |
| 14:33.36 | Solsis00 | It still shifts off my mouse a little sometimes though but still much better than what it was doing. |
| 14:34.18 | Solsis00 | So like I click and when i move, instead of moving with my mouse it jumps off to the side first then moves like it is supposed to. |
| 14:35.09 | Ivnedar | are you using the frame's initial position or the mouse? |
| 14:35.31 | Ivnedar | once you have deltax, Frame:SetLeft(Frame:GetLeft() + deltax) |
| 14:35.38 | Solsis00 | mouse down it grabs the inspect.mouse x and y |
| 14:35.50 | Solsis00 | oh |
| 14:35.56 | Solsis00 | I was just doing setpoint |
| 14:36.01 | Solsis00 | I didn't know you could do setleft |
| 14:36.08 | Solsis00 | I didn't see it in the api doc :( |
| 14:36.12 | Ivnedar | oh, sorry, set point is right |
| 14:36.13 | Solsis00 | I looked |
| 14:36.31 | Solsis00 | ah |
| 14:36.50 | Alystin | Strange thing happened to me yesterday... if i put an item in my dimension and save its id, i'd use Dimension.Layout.Pickup(id) to pick it up again, right? |
| 14:37.10 | Ivnedar | for one of my small ones, I do the following |
| 14:37.27 | Ivnedar | on down, I inspect mouse and grab startx and starty |
| 14:38.02 | Ivnedar | I remember in my settings table what the frame's current x, y centre coords are |
| 14:38.18 | Ivnedar | SSUI.Settings.x = SSUI.Settings.x + mouseX - self.DragStartX |
| 14:38.24 | Ivnedar | SSUI.Settings.y = SSUI.Settings.y + mouseY - self.DragStartY |
| 14:38.28 | Ivnedar | self.DragStartX = mouseX |
| 14:38.31 | Ivnedar | self.DragStartY = mouseY |
| 14:38.35 | Ivnedar | SSUI.Kitten:SetPoint("CENTER", UIParent, "CENTER", SSUI.Settings.x, SSUI.Settings.y) |
| 14:38.56 | Ivnedar | (someone wanted an addon that showed kitten pics) |
| 14:39.22 | Solsis00 | lol.. nice |
| 14:39.36 | Ivnedar | left click cycled, right click dragged |
| 14:39.40 | Ivnedar | I could post the whole thing if that's easier |
| 14:40.11 | Solsis00 | I don't want it handed to me.. I need to figure it out. Or I'll be back in this boat again later. |
| 14:40.17 | Ivnedar | ok :) |
| 14:40.25 | Solsis00 | Appreciate it though. |
| 14:40.58 | Ivnedar | I've no doubt that there are better ways to do it too |
| 14:41.45 | Solsis00 | Well.. so far your's works way better than the other way. Cause now it won't matter where it is bound to. The center was messing it up. |
| 14:42.03 | Solsis00 | and eventually I want to make everything position based on clients Resolution |
| 14:42.04 | seebs | You know, despite some of the fussing I do about things that don't work, I gotta say, I am pretty happy with many aspects of the Rift API. |
| 14:42.21 | Solsis00 | Cause not everyone has a 27" monitor. :P |
| 14:42.29 | seebs | In particular, I am just super happy with the storage stuff. |
| 14:42.30 | Ivnedar | good idea, store coords as percentage of resolution |
| 14:42.40 | Ivnedar | then map them from parentui size |
| 14:42.42 | seebs | I wish the base UI stuff was smart about screen scale changing. :( |
| 14:42.54 | Ivnedar | does an event fire when screen res changes? |
| 14:42.57 | Ivnedar | hrrm |
| 14:43.03 | Solsis00 | eww.. yea. I didn't even think about the screen scale |
| 14:43.21 | Solsis00 | er.. ui scale i mean |
| 14:44.20 | seebs | I have a pair of machines with the same horizontal resolution but one's 16:10 and one's 16:9 (eww), and the base UI doesn't handle it gracefully at all. |
| 14:44.44 | Ivnedar | does uiparent size change when uiscale changes? |
| 14:45.19 | seebs | Dunno. |
| 14:45.27 | seebs | I think you can see uiscale with Inspect.Settings or whatever. |
| 14:45.59 | seebs | BTW, my RP addon now has a feature which I believe is unique to Rift among games that don't have native support for biographies and the like. |
| 14:46.09 | seebs | Which is that it can retrieve a previously-written bio even on a fresh install. |
| 14:46.29 | Imhothar | miraculous |
| 14:46.41 | Imhothar | or, dare I say, magic? |
| 14:47.06 | Ivnedar | hrrm, where do I change ui scale |
| 14:47.10 | Ivnedar | thought it was in edit layout |
| 14:47.14 | Ivnedar | but that's greyed out |
| 14:47.22 | Imhothar | settings |
| 14:47.50 | Ivnedar | ah, display, thanks |
| 14:47.54 | seebs | Yeah. |
| 14:48.03 | seebs | Note that there's a really annoying bug with UI scale and export/import. |
| 14:48.10 | seebs | You can't import a UI scale of 100%. |
| 14:48.19 | seebs | 100% is the default, therefore it is Not A Setting. |
| 14:48.28 | Ivnedar | yup, uiparent size changes |
| 14:48.33 | seebs | So if you save a UI that has UI scale at 100%, and try to import it, nothing happens. |
| 14:48.35 | seebs | Oh? |
| 14:48.55 | Ivnedar | so you should be able to cope with uiscale changing if using percentage coords instead of absolute |
| 14:49.24 | Ivnedar | 1555 width for 100% ui scale, 1868.9201... with ui scale turned off |
| 14:49.36 | *** join/#riftuidev Onsight666 (~Onsight@cpc15-uddi22-2-0-cust106.20-3.cable.virginmedia.com) |
| 14:49.51 | Onsight666 | Hey folks |
| 14:49.58 | Solsis00 | heya Onsight |
| 14:49.59 | seebs | Oh, weird. |
| 14:50.31 | Onsight666 | now i know im going to sound like a proper noob here, but i was hoping to get a little insight on developing addons |
| 14:51.03 | seebs | Well, the main thing to know is that they completely destroy the game by automating play. Since I wrote an RP addon, I haven't actually had to push a button in six months. *nods wisely* |
| 14:52.17 | Ivnedar | Onsight666: ask away :) |
| 14:52.25 | Onsight666 | well to be honest im mainly interesting in developing a Unitframe addon as any of the others have seen dont have what i need or look like crap lmao |
| 14:53.02 | Onsight666 | any pointers on where to begin? |
| 14:53.09 | Ivnedar | you could start off by looking at gadgets and making a unitframe template for that |
| 14:53.11 | Solsis00 | what are you needing that isn't there? |
| 14:55.34 | Onsight666 | i was hoping to have everything in a single unitframe rather than having different modules like gadgets |
| 14:56.10 | Onsight666 | and to be honest gadgets looks pretty crappy and i cant find any other unitframe layouts either. |
| 14:56.17 | Solsis00 | I'm aiming for that eventually |
| 14:56.30 | Solsis00 | Built the raid frames first though cause it was more important :P |
| 14:57.13 | Solsis00 | plus making the unit frames at that point will be easy.. all the data needed will already be available.. just needs slapped onto a new frame. |
| 14:57.30 | Onsight666 | when you look at the wow unitframes and then the gadgets frames they are kinda rough and not so appealing |
| 14:59.38 | Onsight666 | was hoping to have a frame thats similar to this.. http://media-curse.cursecdn.com/attachments/thumbnails/76/489/55/55/8c2c9343bf46f0da19ddc2a0c014d0f3.png |
| 14:59.50 | Solsis00 | Yea. I know where you are coming from there. I am wanting to re-visit my texture setup (layers they are drawn in) so that they can be more crisp. |
| 14:59.55 | seebs | So far as I can tell, Gadgets doesn't inherently look like anything, it's just a framework for letting you make things that look like whatever you want. |
| 15:00.06 | Solsis00 | right now it is just a texture frame with a transparent box on top to change the color |
| 15:00.19 | seebs | So what I would probably do would be to make a Gadget that looked the way I wanted it to. |
| 15:00.54 | Onsight666 | yeah but the textures ect aren't that well made and the bar textures are terrible too lol |
| 15:01.48 | seebs | I think I may not have explained what I mean. |
| 15:01.56 | Ivnedar | gadgets doesn't look like anything |
| 15:02.00 | Solsis00 | So what seebs is getting at, you could use gadgets framework to draw/write your own unit frames. |
| 15:02.02 | seebs | Gadgets is *generic*. I wrote a gadget that's not even related to unit frames. |
| 15:02.07 | Ivnedar | what you make to use the gadgets framework is what it looks like |
| 15:02.29 | seebs | It's just a standard protocol for handling some of the stuff like window-resizing, making given frames only appear and get drawn when in party or raid, and so on. |
| 15:02.39 | seebs | You can provide your own textures, your own update code, anything you want. |
| 15:02.43 | Solsis00 | but not have to recode the ENTIRE functionality. Gadgets is already doing the work. You just wrap it and draw your own frames |
| 15:02.51 | seebs | oooh. |
| 15:02.57 | seebs | I just thought of a thing that I wonder whether I can do it. |
| 15:03.00 | seebs | *thinks* |
| 15:03.08 | Solsis00 | uh oh... seebs is pondering |
| 15:03.36 | Onsight666 | @Solsis00, so how would i achieve this? I'm pretty handy with photoshop ect but im a complete noob when it comes to code |
| 15:04.31 | seebs | What I want to do: A frame which is sort of like a Mask, but which colorizes the things behind it. Or something. Basically, my idea was to do a health bar which *is* the number display. But where the numbers change color. So at full health you see something like "4500/4500" and it's all green. At half health, it says "2250/4500", and the 2250 and left half of the slash are green, and the rest is grey or something. |
| 15:05.09 | seebs | And obviously the text API can't do that. But I might be able to do something by having two text frames, one in front of the other, with a mask on the one in front. |
| 15:05.20 | Solsis00 | @Onsight Myself.. I'm new as well. I wrote my own raid frames.. I don't know how you'd hook into Gadgets though. I'm sure he's documented it pretty well though. |
| 15:05.42 | seebs | It's not awful. Big question to start with: Have you done any programming at all? If not… well, frankly, addons aren't a bad place to start, MHO. |
| 15:06.05 | Solsis00 | True that |
| 15:06.13 | Solsis00 | LUA is a pretty straight forward language |
| 15:06.32 | Onsight666 | the only thing i've done is some HTML/5 and PHP |
| 15:06.34 | Onsight666 | xD |
| 15:07.01 | Alystin | hmmm |
| 15:07.39 | Onsight666 | which is completely different to lua, C++ as far as im aware |
| 15:07.54 | Solsis00 | lua is definately not like C++ |
| 15:07.58 | Solsis00 | more like VB i'd say |
| 15:08.00 | Alystin | anyone got an idea how i can do something like if (word) is contained in (multiple words)? |
| 15:08.07 | Solsis00 | everything is english and makes sense. |
| 15:08.20 | Solsis00 | @Alystin |
| 15:08.30 | Solsis00 | I would look at the string.find function |
| 15:08.58 | Solsis00 | I use it in my addon when building the macros for the clicks on my frames |
| 15:09.01 | Imhothar | string.find and string.match |
| 15:09.06 | Alystin | heh soungds good^^ |
| 15:10.22 | Solsis00 | there are also function to substitue strings it finds or strip characters etc. Very handy |
| 15:10.31 | Solsis00 | functions* |
| 15:10.34 | Solsis00 | ugh so tired |
| 15:10.53 | Alystin | well i just need to find out if a certain item has a category |
| 15:11.30 | Solsis00 | ah |
| 15:11.50 | Alystin | is the item with the category "dimension decoration household" in the category "dimension" |
| 15:12.13 | Alystin | since it can be something else, but i think all dimension items are flagged as dimension^^ |
| 15:12.56 | Solsis00 | Ivnedar.. I'm still having issues with this placement :( |
| 15:13.09 | seebs | Alystin, there's a trick to this, because it's not obvious to me that there's an easy way to match "either a space or the beginning or end of the string". |
| 15:13.18 | Ivnedar | You can do it! I believe in you! |
| 15:13.33 | seebs | So, option #1: |
| 15:13.53 | seebs | (" "..foo.category.." "):match(" word ") |
| 15:13.57 | seebs | I think that'd work. |
| 15:14.19 | Alystin | wouldn't if string.find(data.category, "dimension") ~= nil then to it, too? |
| 15:14.28 | seebs | Well, yes. But wait! |
| 15:14.41 | Alystin | ...dary! |
| 15:15.06 | seebs | What if foo.category were "category_happening_to_contain_dimension_but_not_really_dimension"? :) |
| 15:15.11 | seebs | Also: |
| 15:15.14 | Solsis00 | It's almost working but it's just the little jump when you initially start dragging |
| 15:15.16 | seebs | data.category:find("dimension") |
| 15:15.24 | Ivnedar | not_for_use_in_dimension |
| 15:15.48 | Alystin | sounds reasonable to the programmer's mind. |
| 15:16.03 | seebs | Basically, it's probably harmless in this case, but it's totally worth remembering that you really want some kind of word break indicator. |
| 15:16.07 | Alystin | but why the hell would something like that be in the internal category table? xD |
| 15:16.16 | Alystin | you're right of course |
| 15:16.17 | seebs | You can also use a string split, although Lua hasn't got a native split function. |
| 15:16.26 | Ivnedar | dimensional_essence |
| 15:16.27 | Imhothar | but behold, LibString does |
| 15:16.38 | Alystin | i think i saw one in one of the other addons.. |
| 15:16.39 | Ivnedar | could be anything that matches on substring in future |
| 15:17.01 | Imhothar | http://rift.curseforge.com/addons/libstring/ |
| 15:17.01 | seebs | Basically, you remember that time you took care to avoid a problem that probably wouldn't come up, and then you were really sad because when it came up you wanted your code to break? Probably not. :) |
| 15:17.12 | Alystin | yeah right, indy has one to separate arguments |
| 15:17.45 | Alystin | like i said, you're right ^^ |
| 15:18.40 | seebs | You can do stuff like: word, remainder = remainder:match("([%S]+)%s*(.*)") |
| 15:19.01 | Alystin | oO |
| 15:19.05 | Alystin | looks like regex |
| 15:19.11 | Imhothar | it is! |
| 15:19.15 | Alystin | black magic stuff |
| 15:19.24 | seebs | Ohhh, hmm. |
| 15:19.30 | Imhothar | come to the dark side, we have cookies |
| 15:19.33 | seebs | There's a thing, lua apparently has ungreedy matching. |
| 15:19.35 | Ivnedar | (^|%s)dimension(%s|$) |
| 15:19.36 | Ivnedar | :D |
| 15:19.51 | Alystin | pah i know that one... and if i leave, i've got to put it back, no thank you |
| 15:19.57 | seebs | I don't think the | works. |
| 15:20.03 | seebs | Lua patterns aren't regexes. |
| 15:20.06 | Ivnedar | awwh, sad |
| 15:20.18 | Alystin | im on the dark side anyways, so... ^^ |
| 15:21.34 | Alystin | tries to figure out the pattern thingy |
| 15:21.39 | Solsis00 | Ivnedar... I give... :( |
| 15:21.42 | Ivnedar | [%s^]dimension[%s$] |
| 15:21.45 | Ivnedar | what about that? |
| 15:22.15 | Imhothar | anchors go on string beginning/end |
| 15:22.30 | Ivnedar | so an anchor isn't a valid maching character in lua patterns? |
| 15:22.36 | Imhothar | it is |
| 15:22.43 | Imhothar | if you want to match ^and $ |
| 15:23.02 | Onsight666 | Brb |
| 15:23.06 | Imhothar | you probable want repetition as well |
| 15:23.14 | Ivnedar | I wanted to say the characterset of whitespace and front anchor, and the characterset of whitespace and back anchor |
| 15:23.33 | Ivnedar | another way of doing the | from before |
| 15:23.34 | Imhothar | why include the anchors in your pattern? |
| 15:23.47 | Ivnedar | because a line starting with dimension won't match otherwise? |
| 15:24.05 | Imhothar | ^%s*dimensions%s*$ |
| 15:24.07 | seebs | ^ and $ aren't anchors in character classes, just characters. |
| 15:24.15 | seebs | Huh. Hey, there's a thought. |
| 15:24.23 | seebs | *thinks* |
| 15:24.23 | Imhothar | kleen star ftw |
| 15:24.27 | Ivnedar | but dimension may not be the first thing in the line |
| 15:24.39 | seebs | Well, the non-greedy match might win this. |
| 15:24.49 | seebs | Oh, wait, no. |
| 15:24.54 | Imhothar | as long as it's preceded with whitespace only it wins |
| 15:24.56 | seebs | The thing I need would be a () with multiple things in it. |
| 15:25.03 | seebs | And lua won't do that, becuase. |
| 15:25.11 | seebs | That's *why* lua patterns aren't regexes. |
| 15:25.25 | Ivnedar | but the string "decoration dimension household" wouldn't match |
| 15:25.34 | Imhothar | not with %s |
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| 15:25.58 | Imhothar | ^.*dimension.*$ |
| 15:26.07 | Imhothar | greedy or not that finds dimension anywhere |
| 15:26.09 | seebs | Thing is, at that point the ^.* isn't buying you anything. |
| 15:26.11 | Ivnedar | then not_a_dimension_item would match |
| 15:26.20 | seebs | Because it'll still find XdimensionX |
| 15:26.42 | seebs | You want something that will be either (anything followed by space) or ^. |
| 15:26.47 | seebs | And you can't really do that in Lua. |
| 15:26.55 | seebs | Well, not with a simple pattern. |
| 15:27.04 | Ivnedar | yeah, that's why I was trying anchors in character sets if you can't do pattern groupings |
| 15:27.08 | seebs | Oh, hey. |
| 15:27.15 | Ivnedar | but that's not allowed either apparently :D |
| 15:27.18 | seebs | I wonder. |
| 15:27.33 | seebs | (.?)dimension(.?) |
| 15:27.38 | Alystin | %s means space, right? |
| 15:27.44 | Ivnedar | whitespace, yeah |
| 15:27.45 | seebs | %s is whitespace. So tabs too. |
| 15:27.49 | seebs | And %S is not-space. |
| 15:27.51 | Ivnedar | space, tab, etc |
| 15:27.57 | Alystin | ah |
| 15:28.16 | seebs | lua> "foo" |
| 15:28.31 | seebs | lua> return "foo" |
| 15:28.36 | seebs | Hmm. Do we have a lua bot? |
| 15:28.39 | Imhothar | no bot here today |
| 15:28.43 | seebs | Nevermind, I have a lua. |
| 15:32.20 | Imhothar | pretty sure I got the leading part: ^(.*%s)?%s*dimension |
| 15:32.42 | Ivnedar | (" "..item.category.." "):find(" dimension ") will probably be the easiest |
| 15:32.57 | seebs | See, I thought that the () couldn't do multiple things. |
| 15:33.08 | Imhothar | or, you use LibString and do the magic of string.split |
| 15:33.22 | seebs | Hmm. |
| 15:33.23 | seebs | Unlike some other systems, in Lua a modifier can only be applied to a character class; there is no way to group patterns under a modifier. For instance, there is no pattern that matches an optional word (unless the word has only one letter). Usually you can circumvent this limitation using some of the advanced techniques that we will see later. |
| 15:34.21 | Imhothar | if you really insist on not using LibString look at string.gsub |
| 15:34.40 | Imhothar | I mean string.gmatch |
| 15:34.48 | seebs | s:match("(.?)foo(.?)") <-- this seems to yield at least one non-space, non-empty-string, if invoked on something where foo has other stuff around it, but. Not really pretty. |
| 15:35.02 | seebs | I would probably use the add-spaces technique, which I picked up from shell stuff. |
| 15:35.21 | seebs | case " $list " in *" $word "*)... |
| 15:40.55 | Baanano | why don't you just check category:sub(1, 9) == "dimension" ? |
| 15:41.57 | Alystin | because i have no idea of lua, really^^ |
| 15:42.23 | Ivnedar | that assumes dimension is always at the start of the string? |
| 15:42.48 | Baanano | yes, it does |
| 15:44.08 | Baanano | ok, if they add a new dimension category with a different name it'll fail, but... so far they've been consistent when naming categories |
| 15:44.36 | Baanano | (except when they don't and rename categories in a hotfix) |
| 15:45.31 | Ivnedar | as if that'd ever happen! *cough* |
| 15:45.33 | Baanano | but usually they only change the suffix |
| 15:46.42 | seebs | I think Zorba once told us that the order of flags was *not* guaranteed. |
| 15:48.38 | Baanano | nothing is guaranteed, they could name the next dimension category "summerfest dancing pole" :P |
| 15:49.05 | Imhothar | if anyone reads this it's guaranteed |
| 15:49.18 | Imhothar | just so Trion could troll us |
| 15:51.02 | seebs | But the "order might vary" thing feels like a real risk. On the other hand, the "dimension is only going to show up as a word, not as a substring of a longer word" thing seems a pretty safe bet. |
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| 16:28.37 | Alystin | Why do i get a message "transaction bag not empty"? |
| 16:29.12 | Alystin | *when i try to add stuff to my dimension |
| 16:31.14 | Alystin | guess i'm adding stuff too fast |
| 16:31.24 | seebs | I am not sure. |
| 16:31.40 | seebs | I haven't seen that, but I haven't tried to do a whole lot yet. It is probably throttled at some rate. |
| 16:32.02 | seebs | I sort of want to make an addon which attempts to steal a dimension -- makes notes of all the objects in it, lets you know which ones you need but don't have, stuff like that. |
| 16:32.14 | Alystin | i know^^ |
| 16:32.25 | Alystin | but the list of items in the dim seems to be a bit strange |
| 16:32.29 | seebs | Although Inspect.Dimension.Layout.List() appears to yield inconsistent results. |
| 16:32.45 | seebs | Yeah. It may be showing only the ones it's actually "seen" so far -- if the server didn't think you needed one, it may not show you. |
| 16:33.46 | Alystin | and it also lists stuff which isn't in the dimension |
| 16:34.00 | Alystin | moving bag stuff for example |
| 16:34.21 | Alystin | hm... how would i throttle down something? |
| 16:36.25 | seebs | Good question. |
| 16:36.37 | Alystin | we have Inspect.Time.x |
| 16:36.40 | seebs | The way I have done it in the past is to assemble a queue of things I want to do, and run one item from the queue every frame. |
| 16:36.45 | Alystin | could play around with that^^ |
| 16:36.51 | seebs | No, that won't help. |
| 16:37.12 | seebs | Inspect.Time.Frame() will be constant within any given frame, and you can't just delay -- you have to stash the data somewhere else and have some event do followups. |
| 16:37.53 | Alystin | hm |
| 16:38.39 | Alystin | how did you do the queue stuff then? |
| 16:40.13 | seebs | What I did was have an Event.System.Update.Begin handler. |
| 16:40.21 | seebs | I maintain a local table which is the queue of things I want to do. |
| 16:40.28 | seebs | The handler does the first thing in the queue every tick. |
| 17:06.17 | Alystin | ^hm. still too fast^^ |
| 17:07.15 | Adelea | this is kinda neat, almost have a workable icons-on-mainmap going on |
| 17:07.43 | seebs | I would have guessed that a single item per cycle would be fine, but I don't know. |
| 17:08.21 | Alystin | i think there is this little delay, until the item has actually finished appearing in the dimesion |
| 17:08.31 | Alystin | which is significantly more than a frame |
| 17:08.42 | Adelea | wait on Event.Dimension.Layout.Update before trying the next one? |
| 17:09.11 | Alystin | ugh. |
| 17:11.25 | seebs | Huh, that's a thought. |
| 17:11.46 | Alystin | it's an Event with a parameter... |
| 17:12.01 | seebs | I did a little tiny thing that did nothing but (1) place all my dimension objects, (2) every second or so, try to pick everything in the dimension up. It worked. |
| 17:12.09 | seebs | But I had, I think, one object in inventory at the time. |
| 17:12.14 | Adelea | it tells you what item changed, which presumably would be the one you just placed |
| 17:12.58 | Alystin | I'm trying to accomplish (1) ^^ |
| 17:13.12 | Adelea | so ? |
| 17:13.38 | Adelea | setup a list of items you want to place. setup a Event.Dimension.Layout.Update handler, and place one. then every time the handler triggers, place another. when list is empty, remove handler. |
| 17:17.44 | seebs | Yeah. Doesn't matter what the parameter is, you just need to know that something happened. |
| 17:18.03 | seebs | Or you can just set a flag whenever it fires, and then have a per-frame update loop which places an item (and clears the flag) if the flag is set, say. |
| 17:31.19 | Alystin | i see |
| 17:48.13 | Alystin | that was easier than i thought |
| 17:48.21 | Alystin | i used the Add event |
| 17:48.47 | Alystin | now i just need to get to the iems in the moving crate^^ |
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| 18:33.22 | Adelea | Zorba - does the new event system work for Native UI frames ? |
| 18:33.37 | Adelea | Specifically im trying to find if the Map size changes. Under the old system: function UI.Native.MapMain.Event:Size() print("Map size changed") end |
| 18:34.43 | Adelea | but under the new, I just cant get anything to not error out... UI.Natve.MapMain:EventAttach(???, function() print("Size changed") end, "resizemap") |
| 18:34.54 | Adelea | I cant find anything that works as the 1st param |
| 18:57.54 | ZorbaBeta | isn't there Event.UI.Size? |
| 19:05.06 | Adelea | Not that I can see: |
| 19:05.07 | Adelea | Error: Incorrect function usage. Parameters: (Native: Rift.MapMain.0x0d8921f0), nil, (function: ), "resizemap" Parameter types: Native, nil, function, string |
| 19:05.27 | Adelea | UI.Native.MapMain:EventAttach(Event.UI.Size, function() print("Size changed") end, "resizemap") |
| 19:05.42 | Adelea | the nil being Event.UI.Size |
| 19:06.50 | ZorbaBeta | oh, Event.UI.Layout.Size |
| 19:07.24 | Adelea | oh ok, that worked! |
| 19:10.09 | Adelea | And how about EventDetach? UI.Native.MapMain:EventDetach(Event.UI.Layout.Size, nil) gives a function usage error |
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| 19:18.22 | Adelea | Actually, :EventAttach doesnt work - it doesnt error, but it also doesnt seem to fire when the map size changes |
| 19:18.45 | Adelea | UI.Native.MapMain:EventAttach(Event.UI.Layout.Size, function() |
| 19:18.46 | Adelea | CALIBRATE_REQD = true |
| 19:18.46 | Adelea | print("Map resize") |
| 19:18.46 | Adelea | end, "Event.UI.Layout.Size") |
| 19:19.38 | Adelea | i can resize the map at will and nothing. if i then put an old style event handler on, then that one does get called, but the new one doesnt |
| 20:06.17 | Adelea | OK scratch that. It does work. It's far too hot here and my brain isnt working. Its taken me 40 minutes to realise I didnt call the function in my addon that set everything up... |
| 20:06.24 | Adelea | :EventDetach still doesnt seem to work though |
| 20:11.12 | Alystin | Hm, haven't found a way to get to the stuff which is moved to the moving crate after switching the dimensions |
| 20:11.56 | Alystin | sadly, we can only place the items but can't pick them up directly anymore :/ |
| 20:30.23 | onsight666 | Hey folks im back. |
| 20:37.53 | onsight666 | you guys know if anyones been able to create an addon for the minimap yet? |
| 20:39.14 | Adelea | thats a bit vague. you mean to put icons on it? |
| 20:41.02 | onsight666 | a complete overhaul, removal / repositioning of the buttons, skinning ect |
| 20:41.35 | onsight666 | sorry for being vague xD its far too hot over here heads all over the place |
| 20:41.50 | Adelea | we cant really 'do' anything to any of the native frames - so a reskin is impossible |
| 20:42.27 | Adelea | we also dont have access to any of the underlying map image data, so reimplementation is also impractical - short of going everywhere and taking screenshots! |
| 20:43.52 | onsight666 | im surprised someone hasn't tried to break it down yet. |
| 20:44.03 | Adelea | how? |
| 20:44.58 | onsight666 | i wouldn't know as im just beginning to learn LUA ect, but the games been released for ages and theres still been no progress on the minimap situation |
| 20:45.22 | Adelea | thats because we dont have any access to do anything about it. |
| 20:46.08 | Adelea | this isnt wow, where the whole interface is in lua, and everything is mostly available. |
| 20:46.39 | Adelea | we have access only to what is given us |
| 20:54.24 | onsight666 | so i have a quick question which could save me alot of time + effort |
| 20:54.59 | onsight666 | the main reason for me learning lua ect was to reskin/code my own unit frames to my liking. |
| 20:55.24 | Adelea | unitframes you can do |
| 20:55.34 | onsight666 | would i be able to modify the textures in an existing addon (with permission) and not have to worry about re-coding ect? |
| 20:56.44 | Adelea | i cant speak for anyone else obviously - but probably. as long as you dont distribute any changed files, and keep them for your own use only. |
| 20:57.33 | Adelea | take a look at gadgets. |
| 20:57.45 | onsight666 | thats what i was thinking about. |
| 20:58.01 | Adelea | it uses a template system to create unitframes - so you could create your own template to get it to look like how you wish |
| 20:58.37 | Adelea | thats what ive done, created my own template in gadgets for UF and RF, and customized the layout / appearance of every part of it |
| 20:58.56 | onsight666 | the main issues with gadgets i had was the majority of the textures looked pretty crappy, but if im able to edit the images to my liking then i wont have an issue xD |
| 21:01.48 | Adelea | the image files are all there somewhere. probably be better to create your own template and new images though - else everytime you update gadgets any changes would be overwritten |
| 21:02.54 | onsight666 | true, but i wouldn't know where to begin xD |
| 21:03.23 | onsight666 | i need a dummie's guide to making rift addons lmao |
| 21:03.30 | onsight666 | dummys* |
| 21:05.39 | Adelea | For creating a new template for gadgets its pretty simple. |
| 21:05.54 | Adelea | Create a folder, then put a RiftAddon.toc inside the folder : http://pastebin.com/twrmnGWJ |
| 21:06.08 | Adelea | thats the one I use for my custom templates |
| 21:06.33 | Adelea | then put all the template files in the folder, and update the RiftAddon.toc file to reference them |
| 21:10.12 | onsight666 | m'kay i think i understand now :) i'll give it a shot and see how it goes :D |
| 21:45.31 | seebs | onsight666, a clarification may be useful. |
| 21:45.59 | seebs | In WoW, and in some other games, the *entire interface* exists only as Lua code. All of the interface code is in Lua. Anything the user interface can do, Lua code can do, because if it couldn't the interface wouldn't be able to do it. |
| 21:46.11 | seebs | In Rift, the native user interface is *NOT* in Lua. We don't get access to it. |
| 21:46.48 | seebs | So we have only the functionality specifically provided for. So if a given function (say, minimap stuff) isn't available to us, that's it; there's nothing for us to make progress on. |
| 21:47.14 | seebs | In WoW, we could look at the native UI's code, see what calls it's using, and experiment with those to see how they work. But that's a very different design philosophy. |
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| 22:23.53 | Noshei | ZorbaBeta: I'm really starting to think there may be some bug in the saved variables process somewhere |
| 22:24.21 | Noshei | I'm getting a lot of addons saved variables just randomly resetting to nothing for no reason at all. |
| 22:26.42 | Noshei | of course I guess it could also just be my computer being stupid |
| 22:26.50 | seebs | Hmm. I haven't seen that, but I haven't done a lot of focused testing directed at it. |
| 22:27.48 | Noshei | I haven't done any testing for it, but I'll just log in and a single addon will have been reset |
| 22:28.13 | Noshei | or while working on an addon and doing a lot of reloadui's i'll have an addon reset as well |
| 22:31.56 | seebs | Hmm. |
| 22:32.16 | seebs | Well, simple enough: Make *another* addon that checks the contents of various saved variables. |
| 22:58.41 | Adelea | i thought i was getting saved variable corruption too. but it turned out that i was updating/copying things in the wrong place due to a logic failure |
| 22:59.06 | Adelea | but if youre seeing it in different addons, and ones that arent yours, then i guess its some thing else |
| 22:59.52 | Adelea | anywya, nn all ! |
| 23:38.51 | Noshei | I thought there was a way to generate a custom error message |
| 23:44.08 | Solsis00 | there is an event for the error trigger so I wouldn't see why you couldn't |
| 23:44.20 | Solsis00 | though I haven't done it myself so I don't know 100% |
| 23:47.12 | Solsis00 | Hey Noshei |
| 23:48.18 | Solsis00 | Just out of curiousity.. regarding your saved variables issue; Are you working out of ../Rift/interface/addons or ../My Documents/Rift/interface/addons |
| 23:53.39 | Noshei | /Rift/interface/addons |
| 23:54.51 | Solsis00 | I got to thinking about it anyways.. It wouldn't matter if it's just 1 addon at a time randomly resetting |
| 23:55.10 | Solsis00 | I was going to say maybe it is finding the wrong path |
| 23:55.39 | Solsis00 | cause it tries to default to the my documents location for interface if interface/addons doesn't exist in the root Rift folder |
